WEBVTT 1 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:23.640 Well, we have a good show today. Of course, we 2 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:25.480 always have a good show, right, I mean, you're not 3 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:29.280 sitting here listening if we weren't producing good material. And 4 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:32.679 I hope you do enjoy Earth Ancients. And I had 5 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:34.880 to say, if you've been following us on social media, 6 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:39.840 we have a great new discovery in the Mediterranean Ocean 7 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:45.280 and this is a place called Telfilos, and we're going 8 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.640 to talk a great deal about underwater discoveries. What makes 9 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:53.840 today's program a perfect fit for Earth Ancients and our theme, 10 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:58.200 our theme is unknown ancient civilizations and the fact that 11 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:03.159 our history is not really accurate. It's it's a very 12 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.879 very interact inaccurate. Really, it is inaccurate at all. And 13 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:11.159 you can't talk to archaeologists about that. You can't say 14 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.719 to them, you know, look, your research is not valid, 15 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.480 so forth and so on, because look, thousands and thousands 16 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.840 of archaeologists and anthropologists have done a good job of 17 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:25.319 giving us a sense of history according to their view 18 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.640 of it. But what is hard for me and many 19 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:30.519 of the guests we have here on the on the 20 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:35.079 on the podcast is the fact that academia only goes 21 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.879 so far. They will not consider advanced civilizations before Sumeria, 22 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:46.400 before Dynastic Egyptians, before certain civilizations around the world, and 23 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:52.239 people like Graham Hancock, Robert Temple, Michael Kremo, and the 24 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.159 list goes on and on and on provided us with 25 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:01.400 a consideration for extremely to And we have Michael Krima 26 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.760 on the program and he's pulling up artifacts that are 27 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:13.719 millions of years old, sophisticated silverware, pots, jewelry, dolls and figurines, 28 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:17.479 and in fact, it goes beyond that, it goes into 29 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:22.319 the physical remains of human humans. And there's many, many 30 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:28.159 examples of Homo sapiens sapiens being found in very very 31 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:33.360 deep layers of sediment that are dated to over a 32 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:37.080 million years. Well, if you bring that up to current 33 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:42.400 archaeologists and geologists, they think it's a scam or it's 34 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.879 an anomaly. Well, I don't believe that's true. I've had 35 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:50.599 a problem with our history books for symptoms a kids. Really, Hey, 36 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.120 this is Cliff, You're host of Earth Ancients. And today's 37 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.479 program is very very fun because it deals with Homer's Odyssey. 38 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:03.719 And Homer was a Greek poet who wrote a couple 39 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.840 of different poems. We were they're called poems during his time, 40 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.639 but they're more like stories that are based on myths 41 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:16.680 and local legends and stories. But many of these myths 42 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:22.560 are actual places and people, and we don't know exactly 43 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.719 how Homer collected his material. We do know that he 44 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.199 lived around seven hundred BC, which is a hell of 45 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:37.479 a long time ago, and that we transpot. We translated 46 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:44.280 the original writings from Latin into English so we could 47 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:51.360 understand it. And in this most famous story, the Odyssey Odysseus, 48 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:56.080 the main figure travels to different parts of the Mediterranean 49 00:03:56.120 --> 00:04:02.280 and we think Africa, and he finds Tel Filos, and 50 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.759 it's a story with the island. It's a place where 51 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:11.000 there's giants and there are a lot of problems. The 52 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:13.400 giants are cannibal, so they eat part of his crew, 53 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.480 so forth and so on, and so we know it 54 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.240 as a story, but it turns out it is actually there, 55 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:26.040 and it's under a couple hundred feet of water between 56 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:31.319 Sicily and Malta in the Mediterranean Ocean. Now, my guest 57 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.319 today is going to get into some very very good detail, 58 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.959 including photographs and scans that you can see on Facebook. 59 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.439 Go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients. I'm also going 60 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.720 to post the scientific paper that he wrote that has great, great, 61 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:53.079 great details and graphs and scans and images that validate 62 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:58.199 his discovery. And this is an important not only because 63 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:03.439 this shows that are our ancestors were not necessarily lying 64 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.519 about these stories or they're not necessarily they're not just 65 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.920 necessarily fables, they're actual places. And we also know this 66 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:17.040 because in India there's a place called Dwarka Krishna's home 67 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.240 that's about twelve hundred feet underwater that has also dated 68 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:26.680 around twelve thousand years ago. Now we can go further 69 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:31.000 than that. Recently on the program, we had a lost 70 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.839 city off of New Orleans, Louisiana in the Americas, known 71 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:39.560 as Crescentis, and we've got scans of that and nobody 72 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.639 in the archaeological community will touch it. And I'm hoping 73 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.800 to have the founder of Crescentis on the program again 74 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:50.759 later this year. But as Graham Hancock has pointed out 75 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.839 many times, most of the great cities were on the 76 00:05:55.160 --> 00:06:00.040 edge of continents, close to the water, and when the 77 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.120 water did rise many hundreds of feet, they were covered. 78 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:10.199 And this new discovery, Tel Filos is one of these places. 79 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:15.240 It looks like and it's important that we look at it, 80 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:20.600 get the details and understand just how significant this discovery is. 81 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:24.319 Of course, it really does highlight Homer, who a lot 82 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:30.040 of people look up to as a real guiding light 83 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:36.240 into the Greek mindset. But the Odyssey is one of 84 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.480 these books that is required reading from most colleges. I 85 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.839 want to play a short clip here on who was 86 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:48.120 Homer and how he developed the Odyssey. This story of 87 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.920 Odysseus's travels through this of the ancient passes have a 88 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:53.519 quick listen. 89 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.399 With most works of literature, it is useful to know 90 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:05.800 something about the author and the times in which he 91 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.079 or she lived. This is not really true of the Odyssey. 92 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.720 Later Greek sources give us a few not very useful 93 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.920 scraps of information about the poet Homer, who wrote the 94 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:20.240 Odyssey and the Iliad. Around seven hundred b c. Seven 95 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.399 cities claimed Homer as their citizen, and he said to 96 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:27.439 have been blind, although the richness of his visual imagery 97 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.560 renders this doubtful. Homer had the story and many of 98 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.319 the lines of the Odyssey handed down to him by 99 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.920 generations of oral poets. They told of the siege of 100 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.720 Troy and the wanderings of heroes like Odysseus in the 101 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.839 years between these events, occurring around twelve hundred b C. 102 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.319 It so happens that we have an example of such 103 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.480 an oral poet in book eight of the Odyssey, when 104 00:07:55.480 --> 00:08:03.800 a blind singer Demodocas tells us various tales. Oral poets 105 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.279 like Demodocus could be found at the beginning of this 106 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:10.040 century in the former Yugoslavia, singing without the aid of 107 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.600 any written notes, poems as long as the Iliad or 108 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:17.920 the Odyssey about events in the fourteenth century. Like the Odyssey, 109 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:23.639 such poems contained repeated lines then the thoughtful Telemachus said 110 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:28.360 to her in answer, and repeated phrases dawn with her 111 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.200 rosy fingers and gray eyed athene, which the oral poet 112 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.039 needs for the creation of his poem. Recited in long 113 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:38.639 sittings with few pauses or breaks. 114 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:45.279 Like the Odyssey, such poems contained digressions and discrepancies, inevitable 115 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.759 when poems of such length are sung without the opportunity 116 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.559 to check for coherence or relevance. Around the time of 117 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:57.399 the discovery of writing, Homer welded together some disconnected oral 118 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:02.720 lays into a grand literary design. In dealing with such 119 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:07.000 a poem, we should not be concerned with complicated symbolic patterns, 120 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:12.440 nor should we concentrate on particular words or phrases. Such 121 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.279 sophistication is not helpful in a poem that originated from 122 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.080 an oral tradition, and is in any case inappropriate for 123 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:24.879 a work studied in translation from its original Greek. But 124 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:30.519 we can and do appreciate Homer's artistic design and moral philosophy. 125 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.960 While the Odyssey certainly comes from an oral tradition, which 126 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.679 we can tell by some of the features of oral compositions, 127 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:41.720 such as the use of formula set phrases, which occur 128 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.440 whenever that essential idea has to be conveyed. We see 129 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:51.320 this at the very small level of combinations of epithets 130 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.879 and nouns, and we see it at these like the 131 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:57.399 larger level of typical scenes, which are repeated whenever a 132 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.279 scene of that type has to be described, And we 133 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.360 see it at a wider level in the use of 134 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:08.960 typical themes, the disguised guess, the returning stranger, scenes of sacrifice, 135 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:10.159 all that sort of thing. 136 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:17.799 The Odyssey was divided into twenty four books, corresponding to 137 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:20.759 the twenty four letters of the Greek alphabet. Four hundred 138 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.720 years after its composition. This division is not the work 139 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.440 of Homer, but is obviously convenient. We can note a 140 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.679 more interesting division of the poem into six parts, each 141 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:37.360 lasting four books. Homer was an entertainer. He had to 142 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.399 produce a poem which would be gripping and would be new. 143 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:43.399 The newest song is always best. That's what we're told 144 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:47.000 in the Odyssey. And what's characteristic of Homer is that 145 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:52.039 he almost produces something which is surprising, different, original, even 146 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.480 to avant garde. And when you look at the sorts 147 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.000 of poems that must have been about in Homer's day, 148 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.080 some of them were about the returns heroes from Troy. 149 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:04.279 There returns of all the heroes from Troy. What Homer 150 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:07.480 did was to focus on the return of one particular 151 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.200 hero and to build a whole lifestyle, a whole study 152 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.639 of Greek culture around that single man. It was an inspiration. 153 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.600 Now I want to mention again that there are numerous 154 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:23.879 photographs and illustrations of this discovery. It's not something that 155 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.399 has just come up. There's a couple of archaeologists that 156 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.840 have looked at it. It's been known about for maybe 157 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.399 less than a decade, and we will have photographs of 158 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.320 it available on the Facebook page as well as the 159 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.159 scientific white paper if you really want to dig into it. 160 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.720 And I posted this material about a week ago and 161 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.559 it's gone viral. We've had hundreds of thousands of people 162 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:49.279 wanting to know more about it on our Facebook page. 163 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:51.799 And I'm not going to fill up the whole page 164 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.759 with photographs, but I am going to post the white 165 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.080 paper that you can check out, and it's got some 166 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:04.440 just amazing images. So today's program is Tafilos Gateway to 167 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:11.360 a Lost World, and my guest is Andre Chasin. I 168 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.960 love climbing among the temples and the ancient pyramids of 169 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:18.120 the Maya. We actually have a tour coming up in 170 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.840 Dissemmerates the Sacred Pyramids of Guatemala with my friends doctor 171 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:28.159 Lydia and Arturo di Leong. This is a wonderful twelve 172 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.600 day tour of some of the most eclectic sites in Guatemala, 173 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:38.279 including Tical and Elmador. We all meet together. This is 174 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.519 a chance to not only connect with the pyramids by 175 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:46.120 sitting among them and meditating and also doing ceremony. We 176 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:52.240 will also visit national museums as well as sacred sites 177 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.720 that are typically not available to the general public. 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So it's five 189 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.399 star hotels, it is the best food, the best beverages, 190 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:47.600 and a chance to interact with shaman with a noted 191 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:53.000 archaeologists in the area. It's a complete tour, and there's 192 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.320 an option to go to Elmador with doctor Richard Hansen. 193 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:03.120 On the last day will be helicoptering to Elmiador and 194 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:07.799 have the opportunity to decline the Ldonta Pyramid. This is 195 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:10.840 a once in a lifetime visit and this is not 196 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:14.080 to be missed. Join us in Guatemala, December first through 197 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.320 the twelfth. For more information, go to Earthagents dot com 198 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:59.440 forward slash tours. We have to wonder what would happen 199 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.879 to a civilization following the Younger Driest impact theory that 200 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:06.879 we talk a lot about here on Earth Ancients, if 201 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.440 the water levels of the oceans rose several hundred feet, 202 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.919 what would happen to a coastal town in the Atlantic 203 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:20.240 or the Pacific, or in the Mediterranean Basin. We had 204 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.120 doctor Michael Jay on the program recently talking about the 205 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:29.799 Mediterranean Basin and the water rising there and the likelihood 206 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:36.000 of different civilizations being covered in water and destroyed. Today, 207 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.320 we have what looks like great evidence with my guests 208 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:44.679 today of a in some cases you might consider it 209 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:50.120 mythological location, but we'll have to get the details. But 210 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:56.080 what we have is in effect the discovery of a city. 211 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.639 And my guest today is Andre Chazen, and he is 212 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.679 a engineer. He is a cat, has cat experienced. He 213 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:09.440 is a research investigator who has actually found what looks 214 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:14.759 to be an amazing discovery. Audrey, welcome to Earth Ancients. 215 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.639 I'm really fascinated in this discovery of yours. When did 216 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:24.480 you first lay eyes on this underground or underwater dwelling. 217 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:31.679 Thanks for having me, Clyv. I first laid eyes on 218 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:37.919 this November fifteenth of last year. I was I was 219 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.759 looking through some maps, and I was exploring the emod 220 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:46.080 net database and redrawing some maps for a theory that 221 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:50.360 I had to some map making, and that's why I 222 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:51.000 came across it. 223 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.759 Okay, and we should let people know that you are 224 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:04.240 currently researching for a book on on Atlantis with valid 225 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:11.119 evidence like this correct or using current technology that is 226 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:17.400 underwater scanning technology and locating places like this location in 227 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.160 the Mediterranean correct. 228 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:25.000 Yeah, I'm using I'm using a well known databases that 229 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:30.000 are have been compiled by by scientists over the past 230 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.480 couple of decades, a little bit more what you'd find 231 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:43.000 on Google Earth, more detailed maps using GIS systems generally. So, yeah, 232 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.839 so's it's not scans that I've done myself. Obviously I 233 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.079 planning on doing further sure base, but certainly be using 234 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.279 this for my map mapping map making purposes. 235 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:59.920 Okay, So how did you come about discovering the scans? 236 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:06.480 So you were looking at the Mediterranean area and these 237 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:17.160 just appeared or were they more embedded in some technical research. Well, yes, 238 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:18.359 it all. 239 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.839 Came down to a theory that I had had years prior. 240 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:25.799 See I had I had seen this map that Noah 241 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:33.000 National Organization for the Oceans. They had created a map 242 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.160 back in twenty two thousand and nine called the global 243 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.599 Sea level drop one hundred and ten meters, and I 244 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.880 had noticed an error that they had made on their 245 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.759 maps and correct at them. So I sent off an 246 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:51.039 email to their assilia, and they got back to me 247 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:56.079 and basically told me that the map error that I 248 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.480 discovered was correct and that they were just to lean 249 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:04.359 it off the database. The important thing was is that 250 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:10.240 it started a path of discovery of what the true 251 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:17.480 elevation of the Mediterranean Sea was. I had this crazy 252 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:23.200 theory that that that that the Mediterranean Sea had gotten 253 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:29.079 disconnected from the Atlantic Ocean around the last Ice Age 254 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:33.519 for a period of possibly eighty thousand years, where a 255 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.720 land bridge had opened up, and there was a drop 256 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.319 in the Mediterranean sea level as opposed to the global 257 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.039 sea level drop that was happening at the same time. 258 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.480 And that's where I think the Atlantis had its opportunity, 259 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:54.160 its island of stability, where it had an opportunity in 260 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:58.119 the glacial climate where it's a little bit cooler and 261 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:04.519 more temperate. That the Mediterranean Ocean, Mediterranean Sea had a 262 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:09.359 period where they maintained a lower sea level state. And 263 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:13.559 on that lower sea level was where Tapolos was sitting. 264 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:19.960 Okay, I want to mention that you are. The article 265 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:24.759 that I'm referencing is Tolopolis Gateway to a Lost World, 266 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:30.160 which is featured in Graham Hancock's article's website. It was 267 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.880 submitted and he published it a few months ago. And 268 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:44.960 Talopolis is a city out of the Homer's Odyssey. Correct, Yes, 269 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.039 talk about it, about that because that's really that really 270 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.920 sets up the details of this whole discovery. 271 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:57.440 Yeah. Well, in Homer's Odyssey, Book ten, he arrives at 272 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:01.519 Taplos after taping from the lotus eaters. 273 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.119 That's Odysseus, right, Odysseus, I'd say, what did I say? 274 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:07.640 Sorry? 275 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:10.119 Yeah, Odysseus the hero. 276 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.400 Yes, Odysseus is the hero. He he escapes from from 277 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.319 the land of the lotus eaters and booked and book 278 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.640 book ten, I believe, And that's where he travels to 279 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:24.400 Tilopolos from from that uh, from that location. 280 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:25.960 Uh. 281 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.799 And in the story they arrived at the harbor, and 282 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.880 the fleet had traveled ahead of him into a sheltered 283 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.440 harbor that was very narrow. Uh. He noticed that the 284 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.440 ships went in, but he was feeling kind of I guess, 285 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.119 hesitant to follow suits, so he stayed back and moored 286 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.920 his ship on a rocky air cropping outside of the harbor, 287 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.359 where he sends a mini shore and they had an 288 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:59.400 encounter with the locals. Right, So, from from Odysseus's perspective, 289 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:02.960 and as much as the story tells, Us is only 290 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:09.200 from the perspective of this just watching his men go 291 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:13.519 ashore and him seeing his ships being destroyed as they 292 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:16.200 leave the harbor, So they don't really get a good 293 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.680 view of the city. They only know that there's a 294 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:25.880 sheltered harbor. They hear the sounds of rocks shattering the 295 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:28.319 hulls of their ships and splintering their ships, and their 296 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:34.440 men streaming out in terror. And then instead of and 297 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.559 this is going to his men's rescue, he cuts his 298 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.240 mooring line and leaves them behind. And that's all we 299 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.839 hear in the Odyssey about the story. Now, there's also 300 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:47.680 a little bit of the story where he actually talks 301 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:51.880 about the encounter of the locals. But it's odd because 302 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:53.759 that part of the story doesn't really make a lot 303 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.799 of sense because he describes it as as everybody dying, 304 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:00.440 So there's no way he could have known the events 305 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.279 that happened in the town. Yeah, so I think there 306 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:06.920 was a little bit of literary literary device that Homer 307 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.680 used there. He certainly added some of the story that 308 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.759 he could not have known. But had the story been 309 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:19.480 a true event, it perfectly matches the description that of 310 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:20.480 this of the site. 311 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:22.680 Yeah, I want to get into I want to get 312 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.400 into more specifics on Telepolis. Why do you think Homer 313 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:33.519 describes the inhabitants of this location Telepolis as giant cannibals. 314 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:38.359 It's I mean, that's a funny. It's a funny story. Actually, 315 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.119 I think it's a bit of a dark tawn, to 316 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:42.880 be honest with you, a little bit of dark humor. 317 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.279 I'm not sure what the comedian sense of the ancient 318 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:49.279 Greeks were, but the way I see it happening, Okay. 319 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:53.559 As the story goes more detail, he sends two men 320 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:57.519 ashore with a herald, and the they meet a young 321 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:01.160 girl who was gathering water from the local well. As 322 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.119 she is a daughter of the leader of the town 323 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:10.240 and who is called Antifatees. So she leads the men 324 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:15.680 to the town to meet his wife, and they describe 325 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:21.039 his wife as being the size of a mountain. Craik. Now, 326 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.400 you can take that as being a giant woman, or 327 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.680 you can take that as being a very large woman, 328 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:29.000 you know what I mean. Like, so at the story 329 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:33.359 is that she calls for her husband to kill the men. 330 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:38.039 And it's kind of funny because it's like, Okay, if 331 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.680 she was a very large woman, they could have cracked 332 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.200 jokes at her expense, which would have made her really 333 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:47.640 angry and would have called for her husband to come 334 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.200 and execute the men. I could I could perfectly see 335 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.680 that scenario playing out. Yeah. But Homer himself, he doesn't 336 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:05.839 really describe giants. He he uses the word like he says, uh, 337 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:10.240 they grab stones that that that were heavy as men 338 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:14.480 can carry, that were like boulders that by the time 339 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.519 they hit his ship. So basically he like he used 340 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:22.240 the assymbilies of giants, But nowhere does he really say giants. 341 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.319 If you actually read the text, the finer text of 342 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:32.279 the Honesty, he describes them stewering the men as if 343 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:35.599 they were fish like to be to be consumed. But 344 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:40.039 he didn't say he they stewered the men to be consumed. 345 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:44.480 They it was he was using the literary expression. He 346 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.480 was saying, I they were steward like they were fished 347 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.039 to be consumed. So it's it's all on how it's interpreted. 348 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.119 A lot of a lot of these stories. You know, 349 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:58.880 they they use they use these, Yeah, they use these. 350 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.680 Uh aretistic is the way I'm looking for, use this 351 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.720 hyperbole to to to strengthen their story and their narratives, 352 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.720 you know. Okay, So your feeling and you write about 353 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.200 this is that it's it's kind of artistic license and 354 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.000 writing that they're cannibals and their giants. Uh, maybe just 355 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.440 to spice up the story. Uh. 356 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.359 And but we don't know, simply because we have no 357 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:29.160 evidence of topolss uh other than I guess you could 358 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:30.960 say a myth right right. 359 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:34.160 It doesn't show up in any of the other writings 360 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:38.519 as far as I As far as I know, it's 361 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.960 always been only reference day in Homer's odysty So you 362 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.759 think it will pop up somewhere else, a major city 363 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:49.960 that way, But the city itself is so old the 364 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.960 time it's surprising that we've been hearing of it. 365 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.839 Yeah, this is what's so amazing about your discovery, Andre 366 00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:01.200 is the fact that you're using Homer's description of Telopolis 367 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.440 and then what you discovered is the location which is 368 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:09.359 in Malta, Sicily, and it's in an escarpment area which 369 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.960 is I guess kind of a long ridge. But from 370 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.519 the imaging the scans, it's a very sophisticated port town, 371 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:18.960 isn't it. Oh? 372 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:25.400 Yeah, absolutely, The scale is immense. It could be easily 373 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:30.400 compared to Atlantis in its in its land area that's 374 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:36.440 enclosed inside of the footprint. And certainly if that was 375 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.720 a metropolis of a large city, you would expect to 376 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:44.039 find a agregarian culture outside of that city supporting that city. 377 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.279 That would be five times the size at least to 378 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:52.200 support all that all that requirements for the for the population. 379 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.000 Yeah, I mean you have it seventeen kilometers long, which 380 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.079 is roughly ten miles and about half that much for 381 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:05.400 the for the width, and how deep is it? And 382 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:10.359 when did you actually make the discovery because you had 383 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.799 to actually do some processing of the data so you 384 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.559 could get through it and clarify. But give us the 385 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:21.519 very earliest discovery and you're it must have been an 386 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.000 aha moment, like, oh my god, this is significant. 387 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.440 Yeah, well I recognized that significant right away. It almost 388 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.079 took me twenty four hours before I could lay out 389 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.079 that or figure in my mind resolved that it was 390 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.720 actually to Apolos, because I mean, if you had mentioned 391 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.119 that name ninety nine or another ninety nine people out 392 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.799 of a thousand would not know what you were talking about. 393 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.480 And certainly it was only on my radar because of 394 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.720 my research into Atlantis, and I was creating these fantasy 395 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:59.720 maps and kind of trying to place all these these 396 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:06.519 mythological events and misological locations into context with Atlantis. And 397 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.480 I had placed Tilopolos actually on my map about five 398 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.680 hundred kilometers up the coast of Sicily. And when I 399 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.400 had found it where it was, I'm like, wow, that 400 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:23.799 that can only be one place it matched the description. 401 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:26.279