Speaker 1: Well, we have a good show today. Of course, we
Speaker 1: always have a good show, right, I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: sitting here listening if we weren't producing good material. And
Speaker 1: I hope you do enjoy Earth Ancients. And I had
Speaker 1: to say, if you've been following us on social media,
Speaker 1: we have a great new discovery in the Mediterranean Ocean
Speaker 1: and this is a place called Telfilos, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk a great deal about underwater discoveries. What makes
Speaker 1: today's program a perfect fit for Earth Ancients and our theme,
Speaker 1: our theme is unknown ancient civilizations and the fact that
Speaker 1: our history is not really accurate. It's it's a very
Speaker 1: very interact inaccurate. Really, it is inaccurate at all. And
Speaker 1: you can't talk to archaeologists about that. You can't say
Speaker 1: to them, you know, look, your research is not valid,
Speaker 1: so forth and so on, because look, thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of archaeologists and anthropologists have done a good job of
Speaker 1: giving us a sense of history according to their view
Speaker 1: of it. But what is hard for me and many
Speaker 1: of the guests we have here on the on the
Speaker 1: on the podcast is the fact that academia only goes
Speaker 1: so far. They will not consider advanced civilizations before Sumeria,
Speaker 1: before Dynastic Egyptians, before certain civilizations around the world, and
Speaker 1: people like Graham Hancock, Robert Temple, Michael Kremo, and the
Speaker 1: list goes on and on and on provided us with
Speaker 1: a consideration for extremely to And we have Michael Krima
Speaker 1: on the program and he's pulling up artifacts that are
Speaker 1: millions of years old, sophisticated silverware, pots, jewelry, dolls and figurines,
Speaker 1: and in fact, it goes beyond that, it goes into
Speaker 1: the physical remains of human humans. And there's many, many
Speaker 1: examples of Homo sapiens sapiens being found in very very
Speaker 1: deep layers of sediment that are dated to over a
Speaker 1: million years. Well, if you bring that up to current
Speaker 1: archaeologists and geologists, they think it's a scam or it's
Speaker 1: an anomaly. Well, I don't believe that's true. I've had
Speaker 1: a problem with our history books for symptoms a kids. Really, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is Cliff, You're host of Earth Ancients. And today's
Speaker 1: program is very very fun because it deals with Homer's Odyssey.
Speaker 1: And Homer was a Greek poet who wrote a couple
Speaker 1: of different poems. We were they're called poems during his time,
Speaker 1: but they're more like stories that are based on myths
Speaker 1: and local legends and stories. But many of these myths
Speaker 1: are actual places and people, and we don't know exactly
Speaker 1: how Homer collected his material. We do know that he
Speaker 1: lived around seven hundred BC, which is a hell of
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and that we transpot. We translated
Speaker 1: the original writings from Latin into English so we could
Speaker 1: understand it. And in this most famous story, the Odyssey Odysseus,
Speaker 1: the main figure travels to different parts of the Mediterranean
Speaker 1: and we think Africa, and he finds Tel Filos, and
Speaker 1: it's a story with the island. It's a place where
Speaker 1: there's giants and there are a lot of problems. The
Speaker 1: giants are cannibal, so they eat part of his crew,
Speaker 1: so forth and so on, and so we know it
Speaker 1: as a story, but it turns out it is actually there,
Speaker 1: and it's under a couple hundred feet of water between
Speaker 1: Sicily and Malta in the Mediterranean Ocean. Now, my guest
Speaker 1: today is going to get into some very very good detail,
Speaker 1: including photographs and scans that you can see on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients. I'm also going
Speaker 1: to post the scientific paper that he wrote that has great, great,
Speaker 1: great details and graphs and scans and images that validate
Speaker 1: his discovery. And this is an important not only because
Speaker 1: this shows that are our ancestors were not necessarily lying
Speaker 1: about these stories or they're not necessarily they're not just
Speaker 1: necessarily fables, they're actual places. And we also know this
Speaker 1: because in India there's a place called Dwarka Krishna's home
Speaker 1: that's about twelve hundred feet underwater that has also dated
Speaker 1: around twelve thousand years ago. Now we can go further
Speaker 1: than that. Recently on the program, we had a lost
Speaker 1: city off of New Orleans, Louisiana in the Americas, known
Speaker 1: as Crescentis, and we've got scans of that and nobody
Speaker 1: in the archaeological community will touch it. And I'm hoping
Speaker 1: to have the founder of Crescentis on the program again
Speaker 1: later this year. But as Graham Hancock has pointed out
Speaker 1: many times, most of the great cities were on the
Speaker 1: edge of continents, close to the water, and when the
Speaker 1: water did rise many hundreds of feet, they were covered.
Speaker 1: And this new discovery, Tel Filos is one of these places.
Speaker 1: It looks like and it's important that we look at it,
Speaker 1: get the details and understand just how significant this discovery is.
Speaker 1: Of course, it really does highlight Homer, who a lot
Speaker 1: of people look up to as a real guiding light
Speaker 1: into the Greek mindset. But the Odyssey is one of
Speaker 1: these books that is required reading from most colleges. I
Speaker 1: want to play a short clip here on who was
Speaker 1: Homer and how he developed the Odyssey. This story of
Speaker 1: Odysseus's travels through this of the ancient passes have a
Speaker 1: quick listen.
Speaker 2: With most works of literature, it is useful to know
Speaker 2: something about the author and the times in which he
Speaker 2: or she lived. This is not really true of the Odyssey.
Speaker 2: Later Greek sources give us a few not very useful
Speaker 2: scraps of information about the poet Homer, who wrote the
Speaker 2: Odyssey and the Iliad. Around seven hundred b c. Seven
Speaker 2: cities claimed Homer as their citizen, and he said to
Speaker 2: have been blind, although the richness of his visual imagery
Speaker 2: renders this doubtful. Homer had the story and many of
Speaker 2: the lines of the Odyssey handed down to him by
Speaker 2: generations of oral poets. They told of the siege of
Speaker 2: Troy and the wanderings of heroes like Odysseus in the
Speaker 2: years between these events, occurring around twelve hundred b C.
Speaker 2: It so happens that we have an example of such
Speaker 2: an oral poet in book eight of the Odyssey, when
Speaker 2: a blind singer Demodocas tells us various tales. Oral poets
Speaker 2: like Demodocus could be found at the beginning of this
Speaker 2: century in the former Yugoslavia, singing without the aid of
Speaker 2: any written notes, poems as long as the Iliad or
Speaker 2: the Odyssey about events in the fourteenth century. Like the Odyssey,
Speaker 2: such poems contained repeated lines then the thoughtful Telemachus said
Speaker 2: to her in answer, and repeated phrases dawn with her
Speaker 2: rosy fingers and gray eyed athene, which the oral poet
Speaker 2: needs for the creation of his poem. Recited in long
Speaker 2: sittings with few pauses or breaks.
Speaker 3: Like the Odyssey, such poems contained digressions and discrepancies, inevitable
Speaker 3: when poems of such length are sung without the opportunity
Speaker 3: to check for coherence or relevance. Around the time of
Speaker 3: the discovery of writing, Homer welded together some disconnected oral
Speaker 3: lays into a grand literary design. In dealing with such
Speaker 3: a poem, we should not be concerned with complicated symbolic patterns,
Speaker 3: nor should we concentrate on particular words or phrases. Such
Speaker 3: sophistication is not helpful in a poem that originated from
Speaker 3: an oral tradition, and is in any case inappropriate for
Speaker 3: a work studied in translation from its original Greek. But
Speaker 3: we can and do appreciate Homer's artistic design and moral philosophy.
Speaker 4: While the Odyssey certainly comes from an oral tradition, which
Speaker 4: we can tell by some of the features of oral compositions,
Speaker 4: such as the use of formula set phrases, which occur
Speaker 4: whenever that essential idea has to be conveyed. We see
Speaker 4: this at the very small level of combinations of epithets
Speaker 4: and nouns, and we see it at these like the
Speaker 4: larger level of typical scenes, which are repeated whenever a
Speaker 4: scene of that type has to be described, And we
Speaker 4: see it at a wider level in the use of
Speaker 4: typical themes, the disguised guess, the returning stranger, scenes of sacrifice,
Speaker 4: all that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: The Odyssey was divided into twenty four books, corresponding to
Speaker 2: the twenty four letters of the Greek alphabet. Four hundred
Speaker 2: years after its composition. This division is not the work
Speaker 2: of Homer, but is obviously convenient. We can note a
Speaker 2: more interesting division of the poem into six parts, each
Speaker 2: lasting four books. Homer was an entertainer. He had to
Speaker 2: produce a poem which would be gripping and would be new.
Speaker 2: The newest song is always best. That's what we're told
Speaker 2: in the Odyssey. And what's characteristic of Homer is that
Speaker 2: he almost produces something which is surprising, different, original, even
Speaker 2: to avant garde. And when you look at the sorts
Speaker 2: of poems that must have been about in Homer's day,
Speaker 2: some of them were about the returns heroes from Troy.
Speaker 2: There returns of all the heroes from Troy. What Homer
Speaker 2: did was to focus on the return of one particular
Speaker 2: hero and to build a whole lifestyle, a whole study
Speaker 2: of Greek culture around that single man. It was an inspiration.
Speaker 1: Now I want to mention again that there are numerous
Speaker 1: photographs and illustrations of this discovery. It's not something that
Speaker 1: has just come up. There's a couple of archaeologists that
Speaker 1: have looked at it. It's been known about for maybe
Speaker 1: less than a decade, and we will have photographs of
Speaker 1: it available on the Facebook page as well as the
Speaker 1: scientific white paper if you really want to dig into it.
Speaker 1: And I posted this material about a week ago and
Speaker 1: it's gone viral. We've had hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 1: wanting to know more about it on our Facebook page.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to fill up the whole page
Speaker 1: with photographs, but I am going to post the white
Speaker 1: paper that you can check out, and it's got some
Speaker 1: just amazing images. So today's program is Tafilos Gateway to
Speaker 1: a Lost World, and my guest is Andre Chasin. I
Speaker 1: love climbing among the temples and the ancient pyramids of
Speaker 1: the Maya. We actually have a tour coming up in
Speaker 1: Dissemmerates the Sacred Pyramids of Guatemala with my friends doctor
Speaker 1: Lydia and Arturo di Leong. This is a wonderful twelve
Speaker 1: day tour of some of the most eclectic sites in Guatemala,
Speaker 1: including Tical and Elmador. We all meet together. This is
Speaker 1: a chance to not only connect with the pyramids by
Speaker 1: sitting among them and meditating and also doing ceremony. We
Speaker 1: will also visit national museums as well as sacred sites
Speaker 1: that are typically not available to the general public. What
Speaker 1: makes this really once in a lifetime visit is that
Speaker 1: we can climb, we can sit, we can interact with
Speaker 1: not only pyramids, but temples, sacred sites, and visit some
Speaker 1: of the most historic sites in the world. For more
Speaker 1: information and to join us, go to earthacients dot com
Speaker 1: forward slash Tours and you'll see the Guatemala banner. We're
Speaker 1: only taking about twenty people. We're half full, and so
Speaker 1: I'm making a special announcement. We're also reminding people that
Speaker 1: this tour is half the price that normal tours are,
Speaker 1: and we make sure that we don't skip on anything.
Speaker 1: We want everyone to enjoy the tour. So it's five
Speaker 1: star hotels, it is the best food, the best beverages,
Speaker 1: and a chance to interact with shaman with a noted
Speaker 1: archaeologists in the area. It's a complete tour, and there's
Speaker 1: an option to go to Elmador with doctor Richard Hansen.
Speaker 1: On the last day will be helicoptering to Elmiador and
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to decline the Ldonta Pyramid. This is
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Speaker 1: forward slash tours. We have to wonder what would happen
Speaker 1: to a civilization following the Younger Driest impact theory that
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about here on Earth Ancients, if
Speaker 1: the water levels of the oceans rose several hundred feet,
Speaker 1: what would happen to a coastal town in the Atlantic
Speaker 1: or the Pacific, or in the Mediterranean Basin. We had
Speaker 1: doctor Michael Jay on the program recently talking about the
Speaker 1: Mediterranean Basin and the water rising there and the likelihood
Speaker 1: of different civilizations being covered in water and destroyed. Today,
Speaker 1: we have what looks like great evidence with my guests
Speaker 1: today of a in some cases you might consider it
Speaker 1: mythological location, but we'll have to get the details. But
Speaker 1: what we have is in effect the discovery of a city.
Speaker 1: And my guest today is Andre Chazen, and he is
Speaker 1: a engineer. He is a cat, has cat experienced. He
Speaker 1: is a research investigator who has actually found what looks
Speaker 1: to be an amazing discovery. Audrey, welcome to Earth Ancients.
Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated in this discovery of yours. When did
Speaker 1: you first lay eyes on this underground or underwater dwelling.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Clyv. I first laid eyes on
Speaker 5: this November fifteenth of last year. I was I was
Speaker 5: looking through some maps, and I was exploring the emod
Speaker 5: net database and redrawing some maps for a theory that
Speaker 5: I had to some map making, and that's why I
Speaker 5: came across it.
Speaker 1: Okay, and we should let people know that you are
Speaker 1: currently researching for a book on on Atlantis with valid
Speaker 1: evidence like this correct or using current technology that is
Speaker 1: underwater scanning technology and locating places like this location in
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm using I'm using a well known databases that
Speaker 5: are have been compiled by by scientists over the past
Speaker 5: couple of decades, a little bit more what you'd find
Speaker 5: on Google Earth, more detailed maps using GIS systems generally. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: so's it's not scans that I've done myself. Obviously I
Speaker 5: planning on doing further sure base, but certainly be using
Speaker 5: this for my map mapping map making purposes.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how did you come about discovering the scans?
Speaker 1: So you were looking at the Mediterranean area and these
Speaker 1: just appeared or were they more embedded in some technical research. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 5: Came down to a theory that I had had years prior.
Speaker 5: See I had I had seen this map that Noah
Speaker 5: National Organization for the Oceans. They had created a map
Speaker 5: back in twenty two thousand and nine called the global
Speaker 5: Sea level drop one hundred and ten meters, and I
Speaker 5: had noticed an error that they had made on their
Speaker 5: maps and correct at them. So I sent off an
Speaker 5: email to their assilia, and they got back to me
Speaker 5: and basically told me that the map error that I
Speaker 5: discovered was correct and that they were just to lean
Speaker 5: it off the database. The important thing was is that
Speaker 5: it started a path of discovery of what the true
Speaker 5: elevation of the Mediterranean Sea was. I had this crazy
Speaker 5: theory that that that that the Mediterranean Sea had gotten
Speaker 5: disconnected from the Atlantic Ocean around the last Ice Age
Speaker 5: for a period of possibly eighty thousand years, where a
Speaker 5: land bridge had opened up, and there was a drop
Speaker 5: in the Mediterranean sea level as opposed to the global
Speaker 5: sea level drop that was happening at the same time.
Speaker 5: And that's where I think the Atlantis had its opportunity,
Speaker 5: its island of stability, where it had an opportunity in
Speaker 5: the glacial climate where it's a little bit cooler and
Speaker 5: more temperate. That the Mediterranean Ocean, Mediterranean Sea had a
Speaker 5: period where they maintained a lower sea level state. And
Speaker 5: on that lower sea level was where Tapolos was sitting.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to mention that you are. The article
Speaker 1: that I'm referencing is Tolopolis Gateway to a Lost World,
Speaker 1: which is featured in Graham Hancock's article's website. It was
Speaker 1: submitted and he published it a few months ago. And
Speaker 1: Talopolis is a city out of the Homer's Odyssey. Correct, Yes,
Speaker 1: talk about it, about that because that's really that really
Speaker 1: sets up the details of this whole discovery.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, in Homer's Odyssey, Book ten, he arrives at
Speaker 5: Taplos after taping from the lotus eaters.
Speaker 1: That's Odysseus, right, Odysseus, I'd say, what did I say?
Speaker 5: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Odysseus the hero.
Speaker 5: Yes, Odysseus is the hero. He he escapes from from
Speaker 5: the land of the lotus eaters and booked and book
Speaker 5: book ten, I believe, And that's where he travels to
Speaker 5: Tilopolos from from that uh, from that location.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And in the story they arrived at the harbor, and
Speaker 5: the fleet had traveled ahead of him into a sheltered
Speaker 5: harbor that was very narrow. Uh. He noticed that the
Speaker 5: ships went in, but he was feeling kind of I guess,
Speaker 5: hesitant to follow suits, so he stayed back and moored
Speaker 5: his ship on a rocky air cropping outside of the harbor,
Speaker 5: where he sends a mini shore and they had an
Speaker 5: encounter with the locals. Right, So, from from Odysseus's perspective,
Speaker 5: and as much as the story tells, Us is only
Speaker 5: from the perspective of this just watching his men go
Speaker 5: ashore and him seeing his ships being destroyed as they
Speaker 5: leave the harbor, So they don't really get a good
Speaker 5: view of the city. They only know that there's a
Speaker 5: sheltered harbor. They hear the sounds of rocks shattering the
Speaker 5: hulls of their ships and splintering their ships, and their
Speaker 5: men streaming out in terror. And then instead of and
Speaker 5: this is going to his men's rescue, he cuts his
Speaker 5: mooring line and leaves them behind. And that's all we
Speaker 5: hear in the Odyssey about the story. Now, there's also
Speaker 5: a little bit of the story where he actually talks
Speaker 5: about the encounter of the locals. But it's odd because
Speaker 5: that part of the story doesn't really make a lot
Speaker 5: of sense because he describes it as as everybody dying,
Speaker 5: So there's no way he could have known the events
Speaker 5: that happened in the town. Yeah, so I think there
Speaker 5: was a little bit of literary literary device that Homer
Speaker 5: used there. He certainly added some of the story that
Speaker 5: he could not have known. But had the story been
Speaker 5: a true event, it perfectly matches the description that of
Speaker 5: this of the site.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get into I want to get
Speaker 1: into more specifics on Telepolis. Why do you think Homer
Speaker 1: describes the inhabitants of this location Telepolis as giant cannibals.
Speaker 5: It's I mean, that's a funny. It's a funny story. Actually,
Speaker 5: I think it's a bit of a dark tawn, to
Speaker 5: be honest with you, a little bit of dark humor.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what the comedian sense of the ancient
Speaker 5: Greeks were, but the way I see it happening, Okay.
Speaker 5: As the story goes more detail, he sends two men
Speaker 5: ashore with a herald, and the they meet a young
Speaker 5: girl who was gathering water from the local well. As
Speaker 5: she is a daughter of the leader of the town
Speaker 5: and who is called Antifatees. So she leads the men
Speaker 5: to the town to meet his wife, and they describe
Speaker 5: his wife as being the size of a mountain. Craik. Now,
Speaker 5: you can take that as being a giant woman, or
Speaker 5: you can take that as being a very large woman,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, so at the story
Speaker 5: is that she calls for her husband to kill the men.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of funny because it's like, Okay, if
Speaker 5: she was a very large woman, they could have cracked
Speaker 5: jokes at her expense, which would have made her really
Speaker 5: angry and would have called for her husband to come
Speaker 5: and execute the men. I could I could perfectly see
Speaker 5: that scenario playing out. Yeah. But Homer himself, he doesn't
Speaker 5: really describe giants. He he uses the word like he says, uh,
Speaker 5: they grab stones that that that were heavy as men
Speaker 5: can carry, that were like boulders that by the time
Speaker 5: they hit his ship. So basically he like he used
Speaker 5: the assymbilies of giants, But nowhere does he really say giants.
Speaker 5: If you actually read the text, the finer text of
Speaker 5: the Honesty, he describes them stewering the men as if
Speaker 5: they were fish like to be to be consumed. But
Speaker 5: he didn't say he they stewered the men to be consumed.
Speaker 5: They it was he was using the literary expression. He
Speaker 5: was saying, I they were steward like they were fished
Speaker 5: to be consumed. So it's it's all on how it's interpreted.
Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of these stories. You know,
Speaker 5: they they use they use these, Yeah, they use these.
Speaker 5: Uh aretistic is the way I'm looking for, use this
Speaker 5: hyperbole to to to strengthen their story and their narratives,
Speaker 5: you know. Okay, So your feeling and you write about
Speaker 5: this is that it's it's kind of artistic license and
Speaker 5: writing that they're cannibals and their giants. Uh, maybe just
Speaker 5: to spice up the story. Uh.
Speaker 1: And but we don't know, simply because we have no
Speaker 1: evidence of topolss uh other than I guess you could
Speaker 1: say a myth right right.
Speaker 5: It doesn't show up in any of the other writings
Speaker 5: as far as I As far as I know, it's
Speaker 5: always been only reference day in Homer's odysty So you
Speaker 5: think it will pop up somewhere else, a major city
Speaker 5: that way, But the city itself is so old the
Speaker 5: time it's surprising that we've been hearing of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what's so amazing about your discovery, Andre
Speaker 1: is the fact that you're using Homer's description of Telopolis
Speaker 1: and then what you discovered is the location which is
Speaker 1: in Malta, Sicily, and it's in an escarpment area which
Speaker 1: is I guess kind of a long ridge. But from
Speaker 1: the imaging the scans, it's a very sophisticated port town,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, The scale is immense. It could be easily
Speaker 5: compared to Atlantis in its in its land area that's
Speaker 5: enclosed inside of the footprint. And certainly if that was
Speaker 5: a metropolis of a large city, you would expect to
Speaker 5: find a agregarian culture outside of that city supporting that city.
Speaker 5: That would be five times the size at least to
Speaker 5: support all that all that requirements for the for the population.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you have it seventeen kilometers long, which
Speaker 1: is roughly ten miles and about half that much for
Speaker 1: the for the width, and how deep is it? And
Speaker 1: when did you actually make the discovery because you had
Speaker 1: to actually do some processing of the data so you
Speaker 1: could get through it and clarify. But give us the
Speaker 1: very earliest discovery and you're it must have been an
Speaker 1: aha moment, like, oh my god, this is significant.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I recognized that significant right away. It almost
Speaker 5: took me twenty four hours before I could lay out
Speaker 5: that or figure in my mind resolved that it was
Speaker 5: actually to Apolos, because I mean, if you had mentioned
Speaker 5: that name ninety nine or another ninety nine people out
Speaker 5: of a thousand would not know what you were talking about.
Speaker 5: And certainly it was only on my radar because of
Speaker 5: my research into Atlantis, and I was creating these fantasy
Speaker 5: maps and kind of trying to place all these these
Speaker 5: mythological events and misological locations into context with Atlantis. And
Speaker 5: I had placed Tilopolos actually on my map about five
Speaker 5: hundred kilometers up the coast of Sicily. And when I
Speaker 5: had found it where it was, I'm like, wow, that
Speaker 5: that can only be one place it matched the description.
Speaker 1: So let me just go let's go through it for
Speaker 1: a second. Andre. So, I mean, I use Google Maps
Speaker 1: to see the water DApp occasionally, and there's there's some
Speaker 1: occasional anomalies and lines and stuff like this. You found
Speaker 1: a whole city. Now, you didn't use Google Earth, you
Speaker 1: use what to actually discover the rudimentary outline of the city.
Speaker 5: To find the actual city itself. You would never pick
Speaker 5: it up on Google Earth. Uh database. Google Earth uses
Speaker 5: like a it's called the gem CO, the Global Earth
Speaker 5: Database Model, which is which is good for all intents
Speaker 5: and purposes, but it doesn't get into really detailed survey
Speaker 5: because it doesn't need to.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: In my case, I was trying to refine my maps
Speaker 5: by using what was called the It's called e Modernet. Uh.
Speaker 5: It's the European I don't know what that name means.
Speaker 5: But if you look up E Modernet E M O
Speaker 5: d ne et, you will find their database and they
Speaker 5: have a web viewer that is similar to Google Earth
Speaker 5: that you can you can use in three D and
Speaker 5: actually navigate to the same spot. And if I would
Speaker 5: have my camera working good, I could have brought that
Speaker 5: up for you. But yes, so uh yeah, if you
Speaker 5: go to that website, you can certainly navigate to that
Speaker 5: location yourself and see it in high detail. It has
Speaker 5: a couple of different years of data up and there's
Speaker 5: so you might not get the correct image depending on
Speaker 5: when you load it in, but it's it's it's great
Speaker 5: to see three because you're you're able to actually, you know,
Speaker 5: see the site navigate yourself independent of me. And that's
Speaker 5: what's great with science. You know, anything should be open
Speaker 5: to the to the world to be able to instantly verify.
Speaker 1: Right, it's just an amazing discovery. Andre. Now let's let
Speaker 1: me just clarify for our listeners. This is not satellite
Speaker 1: piercing water. This is UH underwater site sonar scans multi
Speaker 1: you got it. And and so they're using UH and
Speaker 1: like Google Earth, they're overlapping with newer scans of that area.
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how deep is this top of Lis? How
Speaker 1: how deep is the location?
Speaker 5: Well, Uh, the majority of the city I believe sits
Speaker 5: out of the elevation of about minus two hundred meters
Speaker 5: below sea level.
Speaker 1: Two hundred meters that's pretty deep.
Speaker 5: So that's pretty deep. Yeah, that's farther than the most
Speaker 5: commercial divers foot bow. You almost need to be saturation
Speaker 5: diving at that point.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And that's where the city proper sits. Now. The beauty
Speaker 5: of the city, it's it is a fortress. So I
Speaker 5: it's it's my approximation that this whole canal that circled
Speaker 5: the city was about fifty meters deep. You know, so
Speaker 5: so that you can you can completely go navigate with ships.
Speaker 5: And what that number though, is not what Sorry, I
Speaker 5: should have to explain what that number comes from, because
Speaker 5: certainly if you look at the survey now, you don't
Speaker 5: see that fifty meter depth in the canal. The fifty
Speaker 5: meter that I that I digitally reconstructed the site with
Speaker 5: that with that number in mind, came from a number
Speaker 5: of papers that that studied the multi siicely escariment and
Speaker 5: talked specifically about the sediment build up in that area
Speaker 5: just south of Talopolos, and they stated in that paper
Speaker 5: that the build up was approximately fifty meters and with
Speaker 5: that number of minds of sediment, yes, fifty meters of
Speaker 5: sediment built up from the bottom of the what's what's
Speaker 5: called the erosion channel. It's like the big star that
Speaker 5: kind of leads out the out of Toloppolos into the
Speaker 5: main gate. So it's that fifty meters that I that
Speaker 5: I used to excavate and digitally recreate and create the
Speaker 5: renders for the simulation.
Speaker 1: Right in the article, you make a number of statements
Speaker 1: that the sophistication of the outer perimeter is well as
Speaker 1: the buildings is advanced. Give us an idea what that means, Like, like,
Speaker 1: there's some form of machinery you reference almost that must
Speaker 1: have been in play. Uh, you don't say machinery. I'm
Speaker 1: using the term machinery, but.
Speaker 5: I mean there has to be a process. I don't,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't discount about the possibility that they
Speaker 5: had some kind of machinery of it. I mean machine
Speaker 5: can mean a lot of things. I mean simple useful levers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I by a sophisticated plow of some kind
Speaker 1: that dust dirt or something. But the outer perimeter of
Speaker 1: this city looks pretty damn clean. It's just almost too
Speaker 1: good to be true.
Speaker 5: It's almost too good to be true. And and that
Speaker 5: is where I believe that a lot of scientists are
Speaker 5: gonna have issue with, because it seems that a bubbles
Speaker 5: the imagination that a a pre Bronze Age civilization could
Speaker 5: have excavated a canal that is essentially about half the
Speaker 5: volume of the Suez Canal, but whole thousand years ago,
Speaker 5: you know, without without heavy machinery, without explosives, without because
Speaker 5: you're going to have to exu read a lot of
Speaker 5: rock in order to dig down to the elevation, and
Speaker 5: certainly there comes the question of where did that rock go?
Speaker 5: I mean, I I spent a career around civil engineering,
Speaker 5: so the actual design of the city, it's fascinating on
Speaker 5: so many levels when you consider the amount of earthworks
Speaker 5: that had to had to have occurred over that I
Speaker 5: had to be thousands of years. I mean, I can
Speaker 5: imagine that you could have gone at any quicker without machinery,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean in our mount of an Age,
Speaker 5: we probably could have knocked that off in a couple
Speaker 5: of years. But certainly without that those advantages or some
Speaker 5: kind of system, it would have been nigh impossible. And
Speaker 5: certainly that's that gives me pause many many times to say,
Speaker 5: am I looking at anomaly? Or am I looking at
Speaker 5: something that's possible?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: But it all comes back. It all comes down to
Speaker 5: the measurements. The measurements is what tells me that I'm
Speaker 5: looking at a man made object, because the entire site
Speaker 5: measures one hundred by twenty five stadia, and that would
Speaker 5: be astronomically impossible for any anomaly to to be stand
Speaker 5: and to result in an an artificial, man made unit
Speaker 5: of measurement that and to be completely one hundred by
Speaker 5: twenty five. It boggles the mind that that would actually
Speaker 5: could be anomaly.
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Speaker 1: with my guests today, Andre Chezum discussing his amazing new
Speaker 1: discovery in the Mediterranean Ocean of tel Philos, the lost
Speaker 1: city from Homer's Odyssey, will be right back. My guest
Speaker 1: today is Andre Chisholm. He has discovered what looks to
Speaker 1: be evidence for the myth from Homer's Odyssey and Odysseus's
Speaker 1: travel to Telfilos, the Island of the Giants. You can
Speaker 1: see images, scans and underwater photography of this location by
Speaker 1: going to Facebook and then Earth Ancients. You'll see it
Speaker 1: under the photograph of Andre. I think the other thing
Speaker 1: that supports your claim that this is Telepolis is the
Speaker 1: fact that in one of the scans you show a
Speaker 1: central temple, and also you claim that there's likely a
Speaker 1: buildup of of architecture that would support a lighthouse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about those talk about those features, because that central
Speaker 1: temple is huge.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, when you consider that the whole base had
Speaker 5: to have been excavated, it makes you wonder how they
Speaker 5: built up from that elevation, I mean, and certainly from
Speaker 5: the elevation that they excavated to the top it's over
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty meters in height, which is higher
Speaker 5: than the Great Pyramid of Gizo, which is what I
Speaker 5: alluded to. Now, certainly if you took off that fifty
Speaker 5: meters and stirred up to fifty meters and it probably
Speaker 5: only be seventy meters about that that that plane, but
Speaker 5: still it's its size and scope outside of that is
Speaker 5: still very very huge. And its placement directly across from
Speaker 5: the main entrance again highlights its importance as as the
Speaker 5: entryway as the focal point of the of the city.
Speaker 5: You know, it's leaning out with its most massive feature
Speaker 5: as you're you're entering the front door. Basically, you know.
Speaker 1: Does any of the sites scan sonar get up close
Speaker 1: to those features? Uh offshore?
Speaker 5: No, unfortunately not. Uh. The the level of detail that
Speaker 5: we're getting on on those points only can tell us, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, very basic details, and it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 5: give us any kind of resolution that that would pick
Speaker 5: up anything small at all, which is why I'm trying
Speaker 5: to uh to amount an expedition myself. I've been I've
Speaker 5: been budgeting it for for some time now, and I
Speaker 5: know I can get up there with an R O
Speaker 5: V and A and a dinghy if I have to,
Speaker 5: and uh and and actually surveyed the site. I got
Speaker 5: a little bit of the experience doing it, and I
Speaker 5: know I could do it, and I'm it's all my plans,
Speaker 5: but it's not my budget right now.
Speaker 1: It's too bad you can't reach out to the National
Speaker 1: Geographic This would be a perfect fit for one of
Speaker 1: their explorations.
Speaker 5: And you know, there are so many outfits that that
Speaker 5: I would love to have an opportunity to speak with Cliff.
Speaker 5: I just I'm unfortunately, I'm I don't have the network
Speaker 5: or the contacts or the interest spark yeah in the
Speaker 5: world in order to get those connections that made But
Speaker 5: I'm hoping for that first call. I'm dreaming of them
Speaker 5: call me one day. Yeah, where are you? Yeah, Nolan,
Speaker 5: I got a story for you.
Speaker 1: We'll have to we'll have to see at the end
Speaker 1: what happens this multi sicily escarpment. Talk about the layout
Speaker 1: of the city. I think you give an estimate for
Speaker 1: the population, which is very big. Number one, but number two.
Speaker 1: It's actually in an area that's a natural harbor, isn't
Speaker 1: it today?
Speaker 5: What do you mean by natural harbor?
Speaker 1: Well, Tallopolis, you have a canal that leads into the
Speaker 1: actual city, but it's low enough that you know, ships
Speaker 1: could could dock there, and and then maybe there was
Speaker 1: a you know, if you get down closer, there's a
Speaker 1: walkway or something that's built out. It looks like in
Speaker 1: one of your rendering, is that that there is a
Speaker 1: part that is supportive of ships docking and commerce being
Speaker 1: loaded in and out.
Speaker 5: Talk about that, Yeah, I mean logistically speaking, they would
Speaker 5: have to have ways of getting from the water to
Speaker 5: the heights of the city. I mean, I recognize that.
Speaker 5: I mean even the even the island of Manhattan has
Speaker 5: twenty two bridges that cross over into the borough. So
Speaker 5: if you haven't having a having such a city popping
Speaker 5: out in the water, you need to have ways of
Speaker 5: getting your population, even if it's on the back end,
Speaker 5: getting supplies and food into your population. And I recognize
Speaker 5: that the design of the city it strikes of a
Speaker 5: Roman Asque design as in the it's it's it's laid
Speaker 5: out in a grid pattern with such regularity that when
Speaker 5: you break it out. Wow. The beauty of it is
Speaker 5: that it works. So it's almost like twenty four by
Speaker 5: twenty four stadium blocks or what they call regios, which
Speaker 5: would allow for a structured layout of a city to
Speaker 5: be designed. And it works out perfectly with some of
Speaker 5: the points that you see in the survey popping out,
Speaker 5: like the city is laid out in that twenty four
Speaker 5: and the fourteen twenty four four twenty four fourteen kind
Speaker 5: of layout. But the WITH is also twenty five, So
Speaker 5: there's a little bit. There's a twenty five, and there's
Speaker 5: the twenty fours. But the thing about the W is
Speaker 5: that you can imagine it would include a boulevard or
Speaker 5: a central avenue that would traverse the whole city, and
Speaker 5: also a boundary road that would probably encompass the whole
Speaker 5: city as well, which would make up for that extra
Speaker 5: stadia in WITHD. You know what I mean, It's almost
Speaker 5: like an allocates road alignments for the city. I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm talking. I'm talking to civil engineering terms, because I
Speaker 5: could imagine the city being built like no problem, and
Speaker 5: I've dreamed of actually building it out in three D
Speaker 5: and bringing it back to life. To be honest with
Speaker 5: you one of my future projects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what, what's your estimate for the population.
Speaker 5: Well, the population I had original population on that written down,
Speaker 5: and I kind of re estimated it because I didn't
Speaker 5: think my original population density was was was high enough.
Speaker 5: But I was thinking on the conservative ent, it could
Speaker 5: easily support a population of eighty thousand people. Eight tho, okay,
Speaker 5: and that's and that's on the low end. You're not
Speaker 5: talking about multi multi level unit homes. You're talking about
Speaker 5: just single level homes for the most part, not these
Speaker 5: a complex multi level units that you might find in more.
Speaker 5: That's romancies. So I think that that's a reasonable and
Speaker 5: certainly you're looking at Certainly it doesn't doesn't exist in
Speaker 5: a vacuum. So there is also the people who live
Speaker 5: and support that population. So any population you have the city,
Speaker 5: you got to consider the population of fishermen who go
Speaker 5: to it side of the state, the population of farmers
Speaker 5: who do the outside. So encompassing the whole area might have
Speaker 5: been easily two hundred and fifty thousand people spread out
Speaker 5: over those planes.
Speaker 1: Right. What I find fascinating andre is when you take
Speaker 1: the Tangiers land bridge hypothesis into to effect, then you're
Speaker 1: talking tens of thousands of years ago prior to the
Speaker 1: last ice Age. What's the conservative number, because you used
Speaker 1: eighty thousand years ago as the perhaps inception of this area.
Speaker 1: But what would you say comfortably, Well, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be comfortably. What would you say is kind of
Speaker 1: a timeline?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, certainly, eighty thousand years is a long time,
Speaker 5: and looking at our own history over the last one
Speaker 5: hundred years, it's hard to fathom that human civilization could
Speaker 5: have existed for tens of thousands of years and not
Speaker 5: you know, industrialized to the same level we have now.
Speaker 5: So I would I'm on the conservative end of things,
Speaker 5: where where we were just coming out of out of
Speaker 5: being the honter gatherers, and when these planes opened up,
Speaker 5: they were the in fact, the crane of our civilization.
Speaker 5: And I would think that that conservatively the city, the
Speaker 5: city itself could have been there for as certainly as
Speaker 5: long as the Egyptian civilization, and we're talking the three
Speaker 5: four thousand years and then build up to that. I mean,
Speaker 5: people would have been living in the area for four
Speaker 5: tenths of thousands of years, right.
Speaker 1: Is it your theory that the land bridge closed off
Speaker 1: what is now the Mediterranean from the Atlantic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it could have happened anywhere up to eighty
Speaker 5: thousand years. Now that number is completely an estimate. I
Speaker 5: don't I'm only basically on charge and an estimated timeline
Speaker 5: and an estimated elevation of what I believe that bridge
Speaker 5: to be. But I mean, I'm open, I'm open to
Speaker 5: for further expiration. But I think at at a minimum
Speaker 5: it was it was probably it could have been sixty
Speaker 5: thousand years, but certainly as that long.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean they're understanding is that there were
Speaker 1: no multiple phases of the so called Atlantis continent which
Speaker 1: was in the Atlantic. But is your I mean, you're
Speaker 1: you're writing a book. We should let our listeners know
Speaker 1: that you're writing a book on evidence of Atlantis. Is
Speaker 1: this what you would consider a satellite perhaps a city
Speaker 1: affiliated with an Atlantis culture? Because well, it's like this,
Speaker 1: I mean, Toplos was built as a fortress. So whether
Speaker 1: I had a a maritime partner in Atlantis, whether I
Speaker 1: had a it's shared where. Whether it's their enemy remains
Speaker 1: to be seen, but I will I will tell you this.
Speaker 1: Toplos sits directly between ancient Greece and Atlantis. Does that
Speaker 1: not directly, it's it's on the path backwards from it.
Speaker 5: And I say that because uh, I want I want
Speaker 5: the audience to know that the entire purpose of this
Speaker 5: was was my endeavors to find Tolopolos was because I
Speaker 5: discovered Atlantis on the same shore one line as Talapolos.
Speaker 5: The reason why I bring in Talapolos to the public
Speaker 5: first is because the surveys that are in the area
Speaker 5: that I believe Atlantis to be are not as detailed
Speaker 5: as the area around Palopelos. Because of the area that
Speaker 5: Telopolos is in, it got more surveys because of the
Speaker 5: geology of the area than the area that I'm looking at.
Speaker 5: So fortunately, because of that geological work, I was able
Speaker 5: to see the city now where I propose Atlantis to be.
Speaker 5: It's not as clear cut. I wouldn't be showing you
Speaker 5: the bottom of the ocean. You wouldn't be able to
Speaker 5: pick up the detail. I've looked it up. It's just
Speaker 5: not it's just not where. It's not showing where it
Speaker 5: should be. And that doesn't mean it's not there. I'm
Speaker 5: convinced of its location. But once I proved that Telopoulos
Speaker 5: was there, then lends credence to any theory that I
Speaker 5: will call that'll that will present after this point. I
Speaker 5: think that's that was the best way of me trying
Speaker 5: to validate Atlantis is being a possibility.
Speaker 1: Can you expand a little bit on the site scan
Speaker 1: sonar imaging work that you have discovered and used to
Speaker 1: find a location for Atlantis.
Speaker 5: Well, again, the I'm using the same database that I
Speaker 5: found Colopolos in and I'm I'm at the just I'm
Speaker 5: at the the what I'm looking for, it's it's the
Speaker 5: data that's there. Is the data that's there. I don't
Speaker 5: have access to to more surveys than what has been surveyed. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: that's the nature of the ocean. Ninety five percent of
Speaker 5: it is just not the not surveying in idtail Okay,
Speaker 5: unless it needs to be surveyed in high detail. So fortunately,
Speaker 5: like unless unless there was a pipeline being plane or
Speaker 5: some kind of subsea service being put in, They're not
Speaker 5: going to survey the area that I need to see survey. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna definitely have you back to
Speaker 1: talk about Atlantis this book when it gets published that
Speaker 1: you're working on right now. But where was Atlantis. Was
Speaker 1: it in the Atlantic or it was in the Mediterranean.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, wow, I will bet, I'll eat my hat. But
Speaker 5: if it's not not in the Mediterranean, the Mediterranean sea. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and that and that is why it's been hidding for
Speaker 5: so long. Is that is that we didn't understand. Okay,
Speaker 5: if I were to ask you, what is the number
Speaker 5: one the number one detail that you took from Plato
Speaker 5: that would point your way to Atlantis, Like what what
Speaker 5: was the number one point.
Speaker 1: The concentric rings?
Speaker 5: Okay? And I would say to that is that Atlantis
Speaker 5: was completely destroyed in its cataclysm and those concentric rings
Speaker 5: are washed delay. Okay, that's one thing. But what I
Speaker 5: was kind of getting at is that the number one
Speaker 5: reference that people used to find Atlantis has always been
Speaker 5: the pillars of Hercules.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, right right.
Speaker 5: And it's my contention that the pillars of Hercules were
Speaker 5: not the straight at Gibraltar, because in my theory, in
Speaker 5: the time of the Atlantis, the Mediterranean was cut off
Speaker 5: from the Atlantic. It was its own enclosed sea, right
Speaker 5: And because it was his own enclosed sea, there was
Speaker 5: no Atlantic Ocean in that world. There was what was
Speaker 5: called the word Atlantic actually means the Sea of Atlas,
Speaker 5: which is the Sea of Atlantis. Unfortunately, the name the
Speaker 5: Atlantic got its name as a misnomer because it doesn't
Speaker 5: actually mean that. And I'm not the first person to
Speaker 5: say that Straighter Gibraltar is not the Pillars of Hercules.
Speaker 5: It goes back thousands of years. Strabble of the Asia
Speaker 5: originally just described it in his book Geographica, how ancient
Speaker 5: Greek scholars of the time actually were in disagreement with
Speaker 5: with what the actual Pillars of Hercules was, and certainly
Speaker 5: the way he describes it. In the end, he said
Speaker 5: that ancient mariners have always referred to the Straighter Gibraltar
Speaker 5: as the Pillars of Hercules, and that's what they will
Speaker 5: always be known as. And he didn't argue anything beyond
Speaker 5: that point, but that's the that's that's my point, is
Speaker 5: that they actually predate the Straighter Gibraltar.
Speaker 1: Opening up, we're gonna take a short commercial break to
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Andre Chasehm, discussing his new discovery
Speaker 1: tell Filus. We'll be right back. My guest today is
Speaker 1: Andre Chisholm, and he is presenting a new discovery what
Speaker 1: appears to be the ruins of an ancient city, Telflos,
Speaker 1: and also has written a very important paper that you
Speaker 1: can read in its entirety by going to Facebook and
Speaker 1: finding Earth Ancients looking for his photograph. So is it
Speaker 1: your contention that Atlantis being in the Mediterranean was connected
Speaker 1: to present day Africa, Italy, Crete and the other islands.
Speaker 1: I mean that if you're saying that it is in
Speaker 1: there somewhere, so so really what you're saying then is
Speaker 1: that Telepalis is part of Atlantis.
Speaker 5: It's it's part of the maritime network. Whether or not,
Speaker 5: like I said, whether or not it's his enemy or
Speaker 5: it's it's it's a trading partner, remains to be seen.
Speaker 5: But I'm of the I'm of the mind that no
Speaker 5: giant city like Atlantis as is described existent in a vacuum.
Speaker 5: There had to have been contemporaries of the same size
Speaker 5: and scale, you would think, and certainly when you think
Speaker 5: about how Plato described Atlantis, he described it Greece at
Speaker 5: the time as being at war with Atlantis. So you'd
Speaker 5: imagine that a city as sophisticated as that would have
Speaker 5: a maritime equivalent, and certainly they had an a maritime
Speaker 5: equivalent in the Greeks at the time, which again would
Speaker 5: have been ten thousand years before the current Greeks, Which
Speaker 5: is kind of odd that Plato gets his history of
Speaker 5: his own country from the Egyptians. That's something that's never mentioned,
Speaker 5: in the fact, I've never heard of an anybody ever
Speaker 5: mentioned that, Hey, why is Plato getting his Why is well,
Speaker 5: he says, Solon is the way he got the information
Speaker 5: to That's just a literary device that any author would
Speaker 5: use to not put themselves in their own novel. You
Speaker 5: know that they're not going to insert themselves as a
Speaker 5: source of information. So they created a statesman that he
Speaker 5: knew that he knew his country we would know and
Speaker 5: used him as as as the carrier of that literary
Speaker 5: device as well. But again, it's very it's very interesting
Speaker 5: that that that Greece isn't spoken of and the same
Speaker 5: and the same light as Atlantis was because a lot
Speaker 5: was lost and ancient Greece that most people are not
Speaker 5: failed to see as well. So we've reading over over
Speaker 5: the Timaeus and the Critias. Uh he describes ancient ancient Greece,
Speaker 5: or as to say, even more ancient than ancient Greece
Speaker 5: as being far more lush and uh and more populous
Speaker 5: than the Greece of his days. I don't want to
Speaker 5: get bored.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give way your book, because we'll
Speaker 1: probably have you back on the program when the books published.
Speaker 1: But what is the what's the reference to ancient Atlantis
Speaker 1: that exists now? Would you say it's the predynastic Egyptian buildings,
Speaker 1: pyramids and temples, or would you go further towards Central Europe.
Speaker 5: I'm of the my A lot of people have different
Speaker 5: theories of what happened to to the Atlanteans post apocalypse,
Speaker 5: and I would I would think that they would have
Speaker 5: had a wide influence on many proto cultures all the time.
Speaker 5: I can see them escaping to the Mets America. I
Speaker 5: can see them getting to Africa, getting to Egypt. And
Speaker 5: certainly the God thoughts has been alluded to being the
Speaker 5: being in the Atlantian priest, and it fits the description
Speaker 5: one hundred percent. Like like what, He's a bringer of wisdom,
Speaker 5: the breer of knowledge, the breer of the written word.
Speaker 5: He sounds like a well read man who came from
Speaker 5: a advanced civilization of anything.
Speaker 6: And I think that that certainly it was this cultural
Speaker 6: amnesia that we all had at the time that erased
Speaker 6: this whole chapter from our from our history.
Speaker 1: And what what is the causation of the demise of
Speaker 1: of Atlantis? Was it a volcanic eruption? Or do you
Speaker 1: follow the Younger Driest theory the latest, which is there
Speaker 1: was an asteroid hit that basically uh destroyed a lot
Speaker 1: of land forms but also may have caused massive tsunamis
Speaker 1: and other problems geological problems.
Speaker 5: I used to be a very very very strong proponent
Speaker 5: of the Younger Dryest theory myself. I thought it made
Speaker 5: perfect sense. And even while I was doing my research
Speaker 5: here and and and I had had even discovered the
Speaker 5: the my theory about the land bridge, I was still
Speaker 5: kind of had that in the back of my mind
Speaker 5: as a possibility. But to be honest with you, I
Speaker 5: discovered a completely different mechanism by which Atlantis fell. And
Speaker 5: fortunately it's one of those things that would be kind
Speaker 5: of given away the the the my book as well. Right,
Speaker 5: I know how Atlantis fell, You're going to know exactly
Speaker 5: how where it is, right, But sufficing to say that
Speaker 5: I know it doesn't require any any any common impactor
Speaker 5: at all. It doesn't require a global what they call
Speaker 5: it a crustal displacement. It doesn't require a polar shift,
Speaker 5: it doesn't require any of those those fringe theories that
Speaker 5: are out there. Unfortunately, I know a few people would
Speaker 5: would love to have that corroborated at the same time,
Speaker 5: but the problem is is that the younger Dryast was
Speaker 5: always always looked at a global event, and when you
Speaker 5: needed a global flood to explain the fall of the Atlantis,
Speaker 5: you needed that bigger event. The problem is that most
Speaker 5: people see the world as the planet, and even in
Speaker 5: ancient terms, the world itself was the world that they knew,
Speaker 5: and the world that they knew was encapsulated by the
Speaker 5: Mediterranean base for the most part, for the lots of
Speaker 5: these ancient cultures. Now I'm not talking about the ancient
Speaker 5: Americans or the Hindus. They are all their own subcultures,
Speaker 5: their own worlds. Right in that respect, When when you
Speaker 5: say that the world flooded, the Mediterranean basin was what
Speaker 5: flooded in that ancient world. So it didn't need that that, uh,
Speaker 5: the what was only a natural process. It was the
Speaker 5: world was coming out of the interglacial period. There was
Speaker 5: a lot of extra glaciers that were that were creating
Speaker 5: milt water, and that's where the water came from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very fitting that you're on Graham Hancock's article
Speaker 1: website section simply because Graham's whole theory is that we
Speaker 1: have amnesia and there's a complete prehistory that has been
Speaker 1: ignored by our scientists, and it's been ignored because they
Speaker 1: are not allowed to extra expand their consciousness around earlier
Speaker 1: dates than say, three or four thousand years ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Mesopotamia is just a just a drop
Speaker 5: in the bucket. I mean, even Go Blackie Tepi challenges
Speaker 5: that narrative easily does. Yeah, but the skill of Go
Speaker 5: Blackie Tepi versus Tulopolos is like comparing, you know, just
Speaker 5: a campsite to a city. You know. And I'm not
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to to to build up my own
Speaker 5: my own discovery here, but it's important. It's such an
Speaker 5: important discovery. And I say that with trying to be
Speaker 5: as humble as I can, because I wish that somebody
Speaker 5: better than myself, I guess I would have would be
Speaker 5: the spokesman for it. I'm not the best public speaker
Speaker 5: I'm not the best content creator at making videos. I'm
Speaker 5: doing the best as a person who just stumbled across
Speaker 5: one of the most incredible things he could ever think of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did a beautiful job on the rendering of Telepolis.
Speaker 1: What would you say the amount of refinement that took place.
Speaker 1: Was it a lot of reworking or did you just
Speaker 1: perhaps retool a few things for the simulation.
Speaker 5: For the most part, what I did was I followed
Speaker 5: the simple rule is that if anything had a hard shadow,
Speaker 5: that it was generally a hard line that as I said,
Speaker 5: it wasn't there wasn't sedimentation build up, It's certainly certain
Speaker 5: high points. So they kind of defined a lot of
Speaker 5: lines that I could use to define to differentiate between
Speaker 5: what would be considered bedrock and silt, you know. And
Speaker 5: once I kind of delineated those spots using that fifty
Speaker 5: meter number in mind, I used the software in this case,
Speaker 5: Unreal Engine five to digitally remove approximately that depth in
Speaker 5: those areas that I saw. And then it became a
Speaker 5: little bit of spelting, I guess. I mean, I looked
Speaker 5: at the terrain, but I had what was there, and
Speaker 5: I could see and I know how the data is interpreted.
Speaker 5: I know what high points are, and sometimes a high
Speaker 5: point will only give you a little bit of detail
Speaker 5: and then it'll drop off to a lower point, creating
Speaker 5: what a cone. Right, And sometimes these cones are not
Speaker 5: shaped with cones because you only got one point at
Speaker 5: the top and one point at the bottom. But what
Speaker 5: it could be is a is a statue for example,
Speaker 5: could appear as a cone or a whitehouse. Could that
Speaker 5: looks like a cone would be a lot more as
Speaker 5: more splingerbland, like a post high plan. So in that respect,
Speaker 5: I I did take some artistic license, but almost like
Speaker 5: I was removing just as as much call out as
Speaker 5: little as I could. I was excavating it digitally, I
Speaker 5: guess pretending I was using like a fine soft hand
Speaker 5: or a brush to brush away years of accumulations as
Speaker 5: archaeologists went in a way, I guess you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. I use my intuition to guide my hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think it's a great The renderinges look great.
Speaker 1: Those of you listening. We will have all these rendering
Speaker 1: is available on our Facebook page. Go to Facebook, go
Speaker 1: to Earth Ancients. You'll see a group of scans and
Speaker 1: I'll also have them on Instagram and the website. In
Speaker 1: the description about you your bio, Andre, you say you
Speaker 1: aim to spark a renaissance in archaeology. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Are you not pleased with archaeology right now?
Speaker 5: Or are you? I can I can grind a few
Speaker 5: asss with the current archeological establishment. I I was naive
Speaker 5: when I originally approached a number of the including John
Speaker 5: Hoops and and mister Dibble, mister Flint Dibble and.
Speaker 1: Oh you you approached Flint Dibble with this?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he he he blocked me instantly. He wouldn't
Speaker 5: even hear me out at lea At least John Hoops
Speaker 5: had the uh had the staying power to uh to
Speaker 5: look at it uh for a minute and then assault me.
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me stop. I I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: mention this before. But there has been uh another researcher
Speaker 1: that has identified the location. Uh didn't Dipple see his
Speaker 1: uh his reference?
Speaker 5: No, I guess not. The other other researcher doesn't have
Speaker 5: while while worldwide recognition for the site yet either, So
Speaker 5: I guess it's.
Speaker 1: Not like this is this not like this is brand new.
Speaker 1: This is something that's been uh uh looked at and
Speaker 1: not perhaps in the scientific papers released, it hasn't been
Speaker 1: released in the general public. But this is not you know,
Speaker 1: this is not a shadow on this on the bottom
Speaker 1: of the ocean.
Speaker 5: It's it's absolutely not an anomaly. And if anybody claims
Speaker 5: that it is, they just don't know what they talk about.
Speaker 5: I've actually spoken with with experts in the field of
Speaker 5: the themetry and gotten there their validation and their their
Speaker 5: praise and support for my work as well saying that yeah,
Speaker 5: this is absolutely not a data anomaly, you know, and
Speaker 5: certainly the other researcher, doctor Luigi assaid, what's the first
Speaker 5: person to discover this? And and that LEDs credence to
Speaker 5: to the site as well. You know, I shouldn't it
Speaker 5: shouldn't be a debate of who who found it first
Speaker 5: or who found what first. It's a matter of science
Speaker 5: and the and I think it's more important that that
Speaker 5: word gets out about this site, not but who who
Speaker 5: was the first person to say that they found it?
Speaker 5: And it's it's my mission to so spark that renaissance
Speaker 5: in archaeology, because I believe that mainstream archaeologist has been
Speaker 5: it became a club of of of you know, uh, gatekeepers.
Speaker 5: They don't see anybody on the outside as having any
Speaker 5: valid input or opinions. And yeah, it's too gladly mock
Speaker 5: and throw whal insults at you from the ramparts.
Speaker 1: Now we need more engineers like you Andre. Uh. Listen,
Speaker 1: this has been a real eye opener. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on the program and also releasing these scans
Speaker 1: for viewing to the general public. I really appreciate that
Speaker 1: as much as I appreciate Graham Hancock. His viewership is limited,
Speaker 1: whereas if we get it on Facebook, I think we
Speaker 1: can get a larger audience to begin researching this. So
Speaker 1: when do you believe, uh, and this is just an
Speaker 1: estimate on your side, when do you think your book
Speaker 1: might be released?
Speaker 5: My full book, I'm an Atlantis and the Whole and
Speaker 5: the Whole, the whole shebain. Yeah, I'd say all have
Speaker 5: that done within about within about a month or two,
Speaker 5: depending on on on support and interest. I mean, if I, okay,
Speaker 5: if I get a lot more followers on my Twitter
Speaker 5: account and people are are streaming at me to get
Speaker 5: this done, it will it will give me the energy
Speaker 5: I need to to push it out quicker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I mentioned before we started that if
Speaker 1: you have a completed book, I can look for a publisher.
Speaker 1: That would not be a few months. They would want
Speaker 1: to edit it and help you with the graphics and
Speaker 1: the photos and so forth, and so that might be another.
Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah, and then that published final product. Of course,
Speaker 5: it would take longer. I'm just I'm just saying for
Speaker 5: for my end for need to be able to hand
Speaker 5: it off to an editor and for them to prove
Speaker 5: read it.
Speaker 1: I probably need that much sign of the Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: Now you don't have a website, Uh, and you do
Speaker 1: have do you have a social media uh placement of vetting?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on I'm on Twitter at at the My
Speaker 5: handle is the the Immortition Okay, yeah, sorry, and.
Speaker 1: His last name is Chasing C. H. A. I S.
Speaker 1: S O N Andre Chasing And uh, so you have
Speaker 1: you you have the basic uh social media people can
Speaker 1: contact you.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: Hey, this has been really great. The article for those
Speaker 1: of you you want to read it is available also
Speaker 1: on Earth Ancients. Go to Earth Ancients and go to UH.
Speaker 1: You'll see the photo Facebook Earth Ancients. Look for the
Speaker 1: international or group page and I will list the US
Speaker 1: UH and along with the images. Andre continued success on
Speaker 1: this man, you really I hope you didn't open up
Speaker 1: Pandora's box. I don't think you did. I think you've
Speaker 1: done such a great job with the rendering. It's pretty
Speaker 1: obvious that you have something a man.
Speaker 5: I and thank you for your for your for having
Speaker 5: me here to be able to bring this to light.
Speaker 5: It sas my dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, hey, well we'll definitely have you back, okay,
Speaker 1: man Hey, thanks, Yeah, all the fortune on the next
Speaker 1: next job. The underwater imaging in this paper that Andre
Speaker 1: wrote is is really remarkable in that without any kind
Speaker 1: of manipulation, you can actually see the street corners, you
Speaker 1: can see the roads, you can see the what's left
Speaker 1: of a temple, and this enormous lighthouse that he talks about.
Speaker 1: And as you're reading along this scientific paper, and it's
Speaker 1: not too too technical, it's easy enough to read, you'll
Speaker 1: also see his reconstruction of the harbor of these temples
Speaker 1: of this city. And he also has a video that
Speaker 1: I just found where and by the way, all this
Speaker 1: is available on the Facebook page and you can see
Speaker 1: it there. You can also see it on the Instagram.
Speaker 1: Go to Earth Ancients podcast on Facebook. Go to Earth Ancients,
Speaker 1: and you'll see the international and the group page, but
Speaker 1: when you actually look at the video, he has reconstructed
Speaker 1: what the streets look like, with the temple looks like,
Speaker 1: the lighthouse and everything else, and the harbor and so
Speaker 1: again it is a remarkable reproduction of Homer's city. So
Speaker 1: it out. It's fabulous. And we were talking after this interview,
Speaker 1: and this is an ideal project for National Geographic. I
Speaker 1: think is actually reaching out to a number of different
Speaker 1: organizations that would fund this. Now I'm a little concerned
Speaker 1: about National Geographic because when Paulina Zelenski discovered this city
Speaker 1: off the coast of Cuba, the National Geographic said they
Speaker 1: would fund it, and then we never heard anything more
Speaker 1: from it. So I don't know if they're in the
Speaker 1: habit of squalching these discoveries. They're not. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never seen a really outstanding underwater discovery from National Geographic.
Speaker 1: They're pretty blase a and they rather have noted finds
Speaker 1: that are within the time frame the comfortable time frame
Speaker 1: that archaeologists lend us, which would be roughly four thousand,
Speaker 1: five thousand years ago. This could be ten thousand, this
Speaker 1: could be fifty thousand, years old when it was first found,
Speaker 1: and for the National Geographic to simply expose that and
Speaker 1: right along with it is probably not going to happen
Speaker 1: simply because that's not in their purview. It's not in
Speaker 1: their comfort zone, and so I don't see it happening.
Speaker 1: And so this means, you know, a private group or
Speaker 1: a go fundme project is pulled together and or a
Speaker 1: wealthy individual funds research and this is the way to
Speaker 1: do it. Where you can get these remote vehicles that
Speaker 1: can dive deep into the ocean and do a really
Speaker 1: accurate image and imaging of this location. And this is
Speaker 1: what has to happen. That's where you can publish that
Speaker 1: result and then everyone's going to pick it up. In
Speaker 1: the same way that this group of Italian scientists grabbed
Speaker 1: a hold of a geological satellite and picked up the
Speaker 1: imaging of the Cufu and Caffrey pyramids as well as
Speaker 1: some other anomalists structures in that Giza plateau and re
Speaker 1: reevaluated the data and came up with all these new
Speaker 1: underground UH structures and and UH you know, it could
Speaker 1: even be evidence of a tunnel system, which has been
Speaker 1: discussed before. So that that kind of discovery isn't going
Speaker 1: to be released by the National Geo or Smithsonian because
Speaker 1: it makes us think about the distant past, and that's
Speaker 1: not the that's not what the archaeological community right now,
Speaker 1: the I shouldn't say as a whole, I ssa to
Speaker 1: say the university archaeological community is resistant too. So we'll
Speaker 1: have to see what comes up on this. But I
Speaker 1: I got to tell you you have to see these
Speaker 1: images because they're wonderful, they're clear, and they are revealing,
Speaker 1: and that's what we want. We want to see the
Speaker 1: details of the former city, Homer's Odyssey and the you know,
Speaker 1: and it's amazing because we don't know where Homer Godness
Speaker 1: his data. If you heard of the very beginning of
Speaker 1: the program, he collected stories and myths and a prophecy
Speaker 1: and pull it together in the Odyssey in the Iliad
Speaker 1: as well. So it's just fascinating, just a wonderful, wonderful program.
Speaker 1: So we'll keep a sharp lookout for the future evidence
Speaker 1: for the future programming, the future expeditions that Audrey can
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