1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:23,399 --> 00:00:26,679 Speaker 2: And welcome to another episode of Ask the Vets. But 3 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,280 doctor Jeff I am I'm going to be your host 4 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,679 for the next half hour here on pet Life Radio. 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,960 We are with me Jef Werber asked the vets, and 6 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:37,359 you know, interestingly, first of all, I'm gonna have you 7 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:39,439 a call in. If you want, send me an email, 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,039 send me a text. 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And I was my office 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,959 and we got a call from a client whose dog 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,040 with an emergency facility and was bleeding internally because of 40 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,639 what they diagnosed as a splenic mass a tumor in 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,719 the spleen. It's really not that uncommon, in fact, when 42 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:15,319 I have clients call me that late night phone call 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,479 and tell me their dog has been a pretty weak 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,680 in lethargic and the belly seems to be getting a 45 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,520 little large. I will ask them first of all, if 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,039 they are trying to vomit. And the reason I asked 47 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:28,919 that is dogs, especially large breed, deep chested dogs that 48 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:32,719 are bloating I have what we call gastric torsion. They 49 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:35,639 will have a big bloated belly, but they are continually 50 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:39,319 trying to vomit dry heave. Nothing comes up because the 51 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,719 stomach is literally rotated on its own axis and it's 52 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:44,919 blocked off, so there's nothing that can come up. But 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,199 with that not being a problem, I say this, I say, 54 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,280 do me a favor and lift up the lips and 55 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:53,599 tell me what color are the gums. And when you 56 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:56,879 hear the answer, as we heard this morning, well they're 57 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:01,520 pretty white. And you put it all together. Dog weakened, lethargic, 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,919 a dog who's got a big looks appears to be 59 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,960 a bloated belly with white gums, and right away that's 60 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,520 telling me we are bleeding inside the abdomens. So certainly 61 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,479 they did the right thing. They took to emergency, and 62 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,199 the emergency clinic actually put an ultrasound probe on the 63 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:17,960 dog and you can see fluid in the belly. Stuck 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,159 a little needle into the belly, and sure enough pure blood. 65 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,879 That is an immediate indication to explore under any circumstance, unless, 66 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,520 of course, you continue your search and you find that 67 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,199 whatever might be causing that bleed is also in the liver, 68 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,719 or there also might be metastass or masses in the lungs, 69 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:37,280 in which case you say to yourself, wow, it'll be 70 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,599 futile to put the dog, the poor dog, through that, 71 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:42,960 to put you, as the pet parent through that financially, 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,520 because you know the outcome is horrendous. But this particular 73 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,080 dog had no fluid, no masses involved with the liver, 74 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,520 the lungs were clear. Everything seemed to be just on 75 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,599 the spleen itself. So was a perfect candidate to go in. 76 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:59,400 The problem is is, as I'm sure some of you 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,879 have found out the past, that many of these emergency facilities, 78 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:04,719 and you know, we're so glad they're they're and they're 79 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:07,080 equipped the way they are, and they have the specialists 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,840 as they do this particular one as specialties on staff 81 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:15,800 and internal medicine and oncology, surgery, dentist, you name it. 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,639 So these places are really really expensive and the clients 83 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,079 just did not have that kind of money. So called 84 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,720 us and we fortunately were able to take care of 85 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,279 the dog. So I was sort of elbow deep in 86 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:34,120 this deep chested dog's abdomen this morning, taking out a 87 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,480 fairly substantial looking tumor well took up the whole spleen actually, 88 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,399 which we'll send off for biops because interestingly, and you 89 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:44,040 know this is you know often I will caution owners, 90 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,279 is that you can't always go by how ugly or 91 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:51,120 not the spleen looks. I've had dogs that had very 92 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,639 minor looking masses on the spleen that came back what 93 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,519 we call hamaggio sarcoma, which is a splenic tumor, and 94 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,720 our days are numbered. We can have a good quality 95 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,560 of life until the metastatic lesions start to show up, 96 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,160 and typically they're going to show up and deliver and 97 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:09,000 the lungs. I've had dogs with the ugliest looking tumors 98 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:11,319 that you can imagine on the spleen, and it came 99 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,279 back just hamangioma, which is a benign splenic tumor. And 100 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,519 when we took off that spleen, took out the spleen 101 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:20,439 stopped the bleeding of course at the same time, and 102 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:23,519 that dog went on to live a totally normal life. 103 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:25,920 And there's also another thing we'll sometimes see called a 104 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,600 splenic hematoma. Now any of you that have had dogs 105 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,519 with some floppy years, but it really could happen in 106 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,199 any dog. But an ear flap called the pinna itself 107 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:38,120 fills up with blood, that's called a hepatoma, and that 108 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,560 just means a blood blister. Well, interestingly, spleens can also 109 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,040 develop hematomas and the treatment of choice is to just 110 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:50,360 remove the spleen. So regardless of the cause, whether it's 111 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:54,160 the what I call the Big three, which is splenic hematoma, 112 00:05:54,480 --> 00:06:00,439 splenic hamangio sarcoma, or splenic homangioma, the initial tree is 113 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,399 the same. The issue. The difference is with the hematoma 114 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,720 and the hemangioma. Your splenectomy is going to be curative 115 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,519 at the same time, where in a case of a 116 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,680 splenic hemangio sarcoma, we will buy this wonderful dog sometime. 117 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:19,639 So now we're just gonna wait and see. But did 118 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,319 very well through surgery, and the owners actually inside visiting 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,759 the dog right now. And you know, it's one of 120 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,800 those one of those cases, one of those situations where 121 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,040 you really feel good as a surgeon because or as 122 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,480 a veterinarian because you get to really help an animal 123 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,279 another thing. And I made this mistake before, and man, 124 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:36,920 it really just got me. Typically when we see these 125 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,720 before we go in, we're basing our call on what 126 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,199 else might be involved on the dog's blood picture, on 127 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:45,959 the X rays that we take on the ultrasound, and 128 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,279 always had that beautiful clear picture to evaluate the entire 129 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,759 So what really upset me? And you know, again, it's 130 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,240 just obviously it's always upsetting when a dog is a tumor. 131 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,519 But I opened this dog up realized that there were 132 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,600 tumors everywhere, and I never and I didn't, and I 133 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,959 really kicked myself in the behind. I've never made the 134 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:09,360 mistake again. I didn't really stress to the owner before 135 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:12,680 dropping off, before us doing the anesthesion going in for surgery, 136 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:16,040 that this might be the last time he'll ever see 137 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,079 his dog again, because once they're bleeding like that, it 138 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:21,399 doesn't pay. You can't stop the bleeding. If you would, 139 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:25,160 then obviously we wouldn't even be considering anything else but that. 140 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,800 When he left the dog and we did the anesesia 141 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:29,800 and we opened the dog up, we were expecting the 142 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,720 dog to wake up and go home at least even 143 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:35,000 if it were turned out to be a hemangio sarcoma, 144 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,720 and the time he or she has with the dog 145 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 is somewhat limited. But when you get that phone call 146 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:43,920 and you say, gosh, I can't believe it. It is everywhere. 147 00:07:43,959 --> 00:07:46,879 This poor dog is bleeding from every possible spot I 148 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:48,959 could bleed from. We really need to put him down 149 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,360 on the table. That's a tough call. So what I 150 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:53,639 do now, because all it takes is one of those lessons. 151 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:56,160 And every time I'm taking a dog in for any 152 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:59,040 kind of exploratory, I don't care what it is. I 153 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,920 tell the owner to let us put the catheterin, get 154 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,519 everything ready for surgery. We'll do the pre medication that 155 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,360 I'm going to put you in the room or in 156 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:10,040 a room with your dog and just relax and chill 157 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:13,040 and visit and hug because you know, you never know, 158 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,079 it's one of those sad things that it might be 159 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,800 one of the last times you're able to see that dog. Anyway. 160 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,959 Fortunately in this situation, we were in good shape. So 161 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:25,199 you know, it's rewarding when you get to help a 162 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,040 dog like that, And you know, certainly I feel good 163 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:31,480 that oh, and I realize also is that you know, 164 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,000 and again, there are a lot of veterinary medicines become 165 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,679 so specialized, and so many doctors are, especially younger doctors 166 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:39,960 don't have the same training. And I don't mean this 167 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 in a bad way. I mean that because there is 168 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,000 so much more information. I mean, literally, four years of 169 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,879 ED school isn't really enough. I don't think it was 170 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,960 enough back in my day, which was thirty years ago. 171 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:52,679 I think that VET school should be five years. All 172 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,399 these people are gonna hate me for saying this, but 173 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,200 there is so much to learn that a lot of 174 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:00,840 veterinarians when they graduate just don't feel comfortable with some 175 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:02,679 of the things that we kind of learned how to 176 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,039 do because we didn't have as much else on our plates, 177 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,039 so we had just a better feeling of surgery. And 178 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:11,799 when I talked to this particular client, new client for me, 179 00:09:12,159 --> 00:09:15,480 and I said, well, what about your general practitioner? And 180 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:17,120 she said, oh, we definitely talked to them. They're the 181 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:19,600 ones that sent us over to the emergency facility, but 182 00:09:19,879 --> 00:09:21,759 they won't do this surgery. They don't do this kind 183 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:25,279 of surgery. And so it doesn't surprise me that a 184 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,000 lot of our younger GPS have sort of limited themselves 185 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,399 to how much they'll get into surgically, and I never 186 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,120 learned how to do backs. I have a very good 187 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:37,120 friend of mine who graduated med school about five or 188 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,879 seven years before I did, and he actually does back 189 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:41,799 surgery as well, which I think is amazing. I mean, 190 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,000 the good news is as a veterinarian, you could really 191 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,200 do as much as you want. You just have to 192 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:49,039 learn and take the time and spend time to becoming 193 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,240 competent enough to want to do it on someone else's dog. 194 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,200 And here's what I always always recommend someone ask, and 195 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,080 that is, doctor, if this were your own dog, would 196 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,000 you do the surgery? And if the answer is no, 197 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:03,279 then don't let them do it on your dog. Because 198 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,120 I always feel that I would do nothing on a 199 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,840 client's pet that I wouldn't do for my own. So 200 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:11,840 if there's a particular procedure or surgery, maybe sometimes it's 201 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,399 not even a limited issue of my skill but of 202 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,159 my equipment, then if I wouldn't do it for me, 203 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,919 I'm not going to do it on a client's pet. 204 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,639 And I think that's a good rule of thumb to 205 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,840 live by in fact, but often I think I made 206 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,799 this point before here on Astevets with doctor Jeff on 207 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,679 pet Life Radio another plug different pet Life Radio, and 208 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,559 that is that it's always important to know what you know, okay, 209 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,240 and it's important to know what you don't know. But 210 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:38,960 what gets a veterinarian or a doctor or anyone like 211 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,919 that in trouble is when you don't know what you 212 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,519 don't know, i e. You think you know it, but 213 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,759 you're kidding yourself. You really don't. And that's where continue 214 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,240 education becomes important, and that's where criticism becomes important. And 215 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:54,799 I will tell all of my referring veterinarians, and I 216 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,639 refer to specialists in pretty much every field imaginable. And 217 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:00,600 of course I have a pretty decent working knowledge of 218 00:11:00,639 --> 00:11:02,440 a little bit of everything. I say. I'm definitely a 219 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:05,039 jack of all trades, master of none. I probably can 220 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,240 handle roughly eighty percent of any case in any discipline, 221 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,440 but that top of the cream of the crop, twenty 222 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:14,639 percent on the upper echelon of difficulty. I'm going to 223 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,600 refer and I always tell the doctors wire for cases too. 224 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,279 If you're reviewing my records, if you are seeing my 225 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,519 thought process and I am totally off, you know, just 226 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:25,840 missing the boat. I want to know you need to 227 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,080 call me and say, Jeff, what were you thinking? Because 228 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,000 that's how your GP is going to learn. And you know, 229 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,519 if a GP is not comfortable doing something and refer it, 230 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,240 don't say, oh, come on, doc, I know you can. 231 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:35,919 I know you can. 232 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: Please do it. 233 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: Trust me. If they could do it, they would, And 234 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,480 I think that's very an important lesson to learn as well. 235 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:46,279 So anyway, I want to take a quick commercial break here, 236 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:48,759 we're going to come back. I have an email here 237 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:53,000 from Mark, so we'll be right back here on Pet 238 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:55,759 Life Radio. Ask the vets with doctor Jeff, and we'll 239 00:11:55,759 --> 00:11:57,320 be back in just a minute. 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I'm 284 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,919 your host, Lisa Smith putnamber. 285 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: Let's talk past, Let's done, Pets talk about radio Headline. 286 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 7: Radio, pet live radio dot com. 287 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: So welcome back to Afterbats with doctor Jeff here on 288 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,080 pet Life Radio once again. You can call us at 289 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,919 eight seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two. 290 00:15:44,159 --> 00:15:45,720 We'll just go ahead and send me a little email 291 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,360 or a little note to doctor Jeff at petlife Radio 292 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,600 dot com. And I am here for you to answer 293 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,440 your questions, to save you some money and actually to 294 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,639 send you some free products, and what could be bad 295 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:57,919 about that? That's actually ideal and that's good stuff too. 296 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:01,639 My dogs actually have five dogs, and I have my 297 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:04,879 dogs on the daily vitamin. I have my senior for 298 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:07,159 the regulars and my adult for my younger dogs, my 299 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,639 kind of my middle aged. I have two seniors, and 300 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,000 also my seniors take a glucosamine. Now again, I know 301 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,919 it's not fair to say this that they really love it, 302 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,559 because one of those is a labrador, and as anyone 303 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,440 knows who has a labrador is they will eat first 304 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,440 and ask questions later. They gobble up stuff so fast 305 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,080 you wonder what were you thinking? And yet he's the worst. 306 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:31,480 I mean, if I ever turn around and he's not there, 307 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:34,440 he somehow looks at me and sees what I'm doing 308 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,159 and sees that I'm occupied, and he literally to watch. 309 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,279 It's almost like he's tiptoeing out so nobody could see him. 310 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,039 And I'll find him in the kitchen. He's learned how 311 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,279 to open the fridge, he's learned how to open drawers, 312 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:48,039 and he is absolutely impossible. And I should have known. 313 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:49,960 I should have known because when we brought him home 314 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,559 twelve years ago, he was head body deep into the 315 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,039 fifty pound bag of dog chow and it tipped over 316 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,480 or he pushed it over, and there he was, and 317 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:04,880 he was so fat getting into that food. He was 318 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,079 like moaning all the way home. And I should have 319 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,160 known at that point, oh my god, I'm going to 320 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,160 have the typical Labrador garbage canhound. And the writing was 321 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,279 on the wall. Did I listen, Of course not, But anyway, 322 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:20,279 he's the best dog ever anyway, So I just know 323 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,160 the products are great and your dogs will love them. 324 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,119 So anyway, I did get a little note from Mark 325 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,359 in New York. And you know what's interesting is I 326 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,400 love this topic because there is so much controversy with 327 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,720 his topic. And I'm telling you, just the other day 328 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:41,160 I saw a very very well bred, beautiful dog, and 329 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,000 yet I was so amazed and shocked at the vaccine 330 00:17:46,079 --> 00:17:49,680 histories that were brought in. Because I will tell you 331 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,839 that you could talk to ten different readers and you're 332 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,720 going to get ten different answers. So you know, I 333 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:58,640 really think that it's a very smart idea to listen 334 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,480 in as I'm we're going to start telling you how 335 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:04,279 we want stuff done or how I recommend it done, 336 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,359 and that is the following. I believe this is assuming 337 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,119 that really nothing's been done, or you have a breeder 338 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,160 that you're working with that hasn't really messed anything up 339 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,480 yet and they have a tendency to do so. But 340 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:17,599 we're going to go ahead and I'll show you my mind. 341 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:19,599 I said, this is the chance, as I often say that, 342 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,559 I get to be on my soapbox, and this is 343 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,359 my opinion, but I believe there are many out there 344 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,640 that share it. The more I go to the conferences 345 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,960 and we talk about vaccines and what you should be 346 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,480 vaccinating for and how many vaccines you should give then 347 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:35,160 one day and all that stuff, I think I'm pretty 348 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,599 much now the norm. So here it goes Ideally, for 349 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:42,079 we're going to assume now a dog, a puppy in 350 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,400 your basic city, Okay, ideally, if they've nursed well when 351 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,000 they were younger, mom's immunity from the early milk we 352 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:54,079 call colostrum should last them ideally anywhere from eight to 353 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,720 ten weeks. Because I say eight to ten, and we 354 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,039 don't know which ones are eight and which ones are ten, 355 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:02,599 we recommend starting all the puppy vaccines at eight weeks 356 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,200 and what we typically do, at least what I do 357 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,480 for Los Angeles is the distemper with all the stuff 358 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,799 that comes with it, which is adnovirus type two and 359 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,599 power influenza and the parvo. And that's it. On day one, 360 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:17,960 which is eight weeks of age. Then four weeks later 361 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,039 count them four weeks. Now we're looking at twelve weeks. 362 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,440 I will give the second set of again the DA 363 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,119 two P plus the parvo, and I will add in 364 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,640 at this point because it's a core disease in my area, 365 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,119 So we're talking about core vaccines. Those are the vaccines 366 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,359 that are basically highly recommended for one's area, where they 367 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,359 live and lifestyle. And that is I add in the bordotella. 368 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,640 Now note note that I did not say anything about 369 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,119 the L and the L in the DA two P 370 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,799 L vaccine which many people use and should use is leptospurosis. 371 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,200 And that really it depends on where you live, what 372 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,200 the prevalence of the disease is in your area, and 373 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,880 whether or not you want to continue nually tax the 374 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,640 immune system by giving a vaccine for disease that they 375 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,640 may not ever be exposed to. So for us, if 376 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,200 you have the typical dog puppy. Obviously it's not going 377 00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:12,799 hiking in the mountains, in the woods, no stagnant water 378 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:15,720 and running streams, and where wild animals are urinating in 379 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:20,119 the water and passing the Lepto spira disease. Then I 380 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:23,640 will go ahead and not give the l the leptos process. 381 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,839 And four weeks later, now we're at sixteen weeks of age, 382 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:30,839 I give what I call my final set, and that 383 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,880 is the DA twop again with the parvo and also 384 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,720 board oftella. Now in many municipalities, at sixteen weeks four 385 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:43,759 months of age, the rabies is also due. And again 386 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:46,119 shoot me. They can come after me, all you people 387 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,440 the Department of Animal Regulation. I do not like to 388 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,640 give the rabies then, not because of the age issue. 389 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,640 I think it's fine to give, but you're less set 390 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,279 of shots. You're find a puppy shots or do it 391 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:00,559 sixteen weeks and that is way too much vaccine to 392 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:02,920 give to any dog in one day. So what I 393 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,759 tell my clients, unless they're knocking on your door, unless 394 00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:07,640 you're going to be having a board someplace where they 395 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,720 require it, unless you're going to be traveling someplace and 396 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:13,160 they require it, hold off on the rabies for three 397 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:15,319 or four more weeks, so I usually haven't come back 398 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:19,079 in about twenty weeks. Now does a dog really need 399 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,200 three sets of vaccines? And the answer to that is no. 400 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:25,480 So why do we give three sets? Well, very simply 401 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:28,920 because we know that as the immune system is developing, 402 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,079 we know that a vaccine is probably only good at 403 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,319 the beginning, maybe anywhere from three to five weeks, So 404 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,480 we say usually four weeks is going to be fine. 405 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:39,519 At some point between twelve and sixteen or twelve and 406 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:43,039 twenty weeks of development, the body is going to be 407 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,920 able to mount that long term immune response to last 408 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:50,079 the year before the first booster is given, and we'll 409 00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:53,000 talk about that in a minute. So the issue really becomes, 410 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:58,440 then what do we need to give three Well, the 411 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,000 answer is no. If you are starting a vaccine series 412 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,920 on a dog, let's say you've adopted it from the 413 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,039 shelter and it's already twelve weeks of age, then you 414 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:09,880 only need to give two, twelve and sixteen. Let's say, however, 415 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,759 you adopt a dog from the shelter, no vaccine history 416 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:15,039 ever that you can prove that you know of, and 417 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:17,400 the dog is a year, how many vaccines should you 418 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,880 give And the answer I wish I could have a 419 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,279 guessing game coming in. So the answer is two not 420 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,599 why not one? The dog's already old enough. Just give 421 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:29,759 the booster, ah, because a booster has to work and 422 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,240 create what we call an amnemnestic response or a memory 423 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:38,079 response based on least having had one vaccine. Now that 424 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,799 vaccine could have been given when the dog was eight 425 00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:43,160 weeks old, and now a year goes by, never had 426 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,039 other shots. And you want to give a booster, and 427 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,279 you could show that when that dog was eight weeks 428 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:49,599 of age it did get the first distemper parvo. Then 429 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,720 that's all you need is the one more. But if 430 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:54,200 you don't know, even if the dog is an adult, 431 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:56,839 you want to give a series of two. You give 432 00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:58,519 it the first one, and then you wait for three 433 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,319 four weeks, and you give the second one. Now we 434 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,279 talked about the long term booster and all, by the way, 435 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:06,839 border tell it pretty much again for the same logic. 436 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,839 You're only really giving it because you're starting in at 437 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,160 twelve weeks, and you only really need two. If you're 438 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,359 starting a vaccine at twelve weeks, we only give two. 439 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:15,519 Before I get on the subject of cats. I want 440 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,359 to talk about one more thing we believe. I shouldn't 441 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,480 say we many of us believe that we as a 442 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:24,519 profession have been over vaccinating. There are a few different 443 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:28,400 camps out there with minor differences of opinion. As far 444 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,079 as the booster vaccines. The lead that I follow is, 445 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,400 I like, after a year, just in case there was 446 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,839 something going on with that immune system when they were puppies. 447 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,599 You just don't know, you're not sure. I would go 448 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:45,559 ahead and give a year booster after my four month shot, 449 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:47,599 my sixteen week shot, and that means about a year 450 00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:50,359 and four months of age after that. I do not 451 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,880 routinely give vaccines. My recommendation. I do not routinely give 452 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,440 vaccines unless we tighter first and realize there is a 453 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,079 need for vaccine and there's a test that could be done. 454 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,119 It can be done either sent to the lab, it 455 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,680 can be a test that you can run in house, 456 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,839 and it will tell you if there is enough antibodies circulating, 457 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,279 do not give the vaccine. Enough is enough is enough? 458 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,680 So what we do is we recommend, strongly recommend the tighter. 459 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:17,119 If the tighter is low, I'll give the vaccine. And 460 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:18,960 what I do here because I don't want people spending 461 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,359 money twice and hating me. I will give the vaccine 462 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,559 for free. If the vaccine tighter is adequate, showing adequate 463 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:28,400 and protection. Do not give the vaccine now the bordertell 464 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,119 vaccine you can't really tighter for And the other vaccines 465 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,640 like Corona, like lime disease, like lepto, these are what 466 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,119 we call the optional vaccines depending on lifestyle. It is not, 467 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,079 at least in Los Angeles proper not one of the 468 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,319 core vaccines that everybody is giving. So if you hike 469 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,240 a lot, if there's risk of you know, near ticks, 470 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,880 you travel a lot with your dog where there's ticks, 471 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:55,599 if you are up in the mountains, then you might 472 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,720 consider doing lime disease vaccine. You might consider giving the 473 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:04,160 LES vaccine, etc. But to do it corona, I think 474 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000 Corona's a waste. I mean Corona, you're taxing the immune system. 475 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,720 That's like giving a vaccine for the twenty four hour 476 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,720 stomach flu where maybe somebody gets it maybe once every 477 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,319 few years. Right, And if you have a dog who's 478 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,640 at risk and is getting Corona disease all the time, 479 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200 obviously some sort of susceptibility. Then of course we're going 480 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,000 to go ahead, I give it the vaccine, but to 481 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:27,440 do it as a routine absolutely in my book, positively 482 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,519 not cats. Cats also around the same time. Interestingly, since 483 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,200 cat's immune systems, it is believed, seem to develop a 484 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,039 little quicker than dogs, most feel, or at least many feel, 485 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,440 that a cat's immune system is well enough developed by 486 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,319 twelve weeks. Therefore, per our discussion, if you've been following, 487 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,000 the cat only needs two, eight and twelve. What I do, 488 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,720 and I'm just a little neurotic, I will give a 489 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,839 sixteen week just to be safe. But what I saw, 490 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,559 the reason I started this conversation, is that this beautiful 491 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,400 dog came in and the breeder and they look like 492 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,240 they knew exactly what we're doing, gave great information. They 493 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,880 were giving vaccines every two weeks since the dog was 494 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,559 six weeks of age. Everybody out there, that is absolutely unnecessary, 495 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,160 ridiculous in my book, and it's only going to hurt 496 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,319 the immune system. Potentially starting that early is going to 497 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:22,440 interfere with mother's immunity. Absolutely, positively unnecessary. So again, if 498 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,759 you see that question it you do not need to 499 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,200 give vaccines every two weeks. That is so old fashioned 500 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,079 back in the day when they used to give vaccines 501 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,440 at six eight and ten or eight, ten and twelve. 502 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,440 That was not enough. Too many vaccines, number one, and 503 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,720 you're finishing in twelve weeks. We've already learned that's not 504 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,799 good enough for a dog. You gotta finish around fifteen 505 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:42,359 sixteen weeks of age. And they also only gave one 506 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,519 distemper measles which supposedly shouldn't interfere with mom's immunity in 507 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:47,960 six weeks, and they were just kept giving the dog 508 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,359 with four months of age never got another distemper shot. 509 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,720 I am not a fan of that either. So anyway, Mark, 510 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:55,960 I do thank you for the email. I hope that 511 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,039 answers your questions. Stick with eight twelve sixteen, stick with 512 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,759 the core vaccines in your area. Just check with your veterinarian. 513 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,160 I would recommend when the puppy is a year four 514 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,759 months of age, give a one booster and after that 515 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,359 don't do it again unless you have to for some reason. 516 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,799 I would recommend your veterinarian draw little blood every year 517 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,839 every year and a half, depending on how well you've 518 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,039 been doing. Let me just give it one adendum to that. 519 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,279 There are many in my community that are pretty much 520 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,599 anti vaccine. They just don't like vaccines for themselves, let 521 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,000 alone their pets. So I've been doing the tighter testing 522 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,440 now on certain dogs for up to over ten years, 523 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,559 and guess what, many of them, if not most, are 524 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:41,480 continually maintaining protective immunity ten years after a vaccine. So 525 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:45,240 the bottom line is your dogs, probably for at least's 526 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,319 temper and parro, do not, I repeat, do not need 527 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,359 vaccines every year. So don't do it maybe every three years, 528 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,079 every four years. Stretch it out as long as you can. 529 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,240 And interestingly, I'm not going to name a manufacturer by 530 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,720 name in conversations. They only on their labels talk about 531 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:06,759 their vaccine being good for a year, but they will 532 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,400 guarantee their vaccine for three years, just like the one 533 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,880 or two companies out there that do put out a 534 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,680 three year vaccine. So anyway, I've given you plenty of 535 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,799 food for thought, and I look forward to seeing you 536 00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:23,279 next week here on Ask the Bets with doctor Jeff 537 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,119 at Petlife Radio dot com. 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