Speaker 1: We've all considered the possibility, haven't we that? You know,
that fleeting thought you get late at night. What if
the foundational truths about our place in the cosmos, about
the real limitations of our own technology, have been systematically
deliberately shielded from us?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: What if the story of human history as we know
it are our isolation, our technological supremacy is incomplete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if it's just not the whole.
Speaker 1: Story exactly because key players within our own government shows
decades ago to just lock the real data way.
Speaker 2: Welcome to thrilling Threads. Today. We are undertaking a well
pretty massive project, a comprehensive exploration of a set of
claims that really challenge reality itself.
Speaker 1: And we should be clear from the top. We're not
discussing shaky backyard videos or you know, fuzzy photos from
a blog.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. We are examining an extraordinary body of
sources derived exclusively from former intelligence officials, high ranking military
security officers, and scientific program advisors. These are individuals who
state they operated inside the mechanisms of secrecy surrounding unidentified
aerial phenomena or UAPs, and non human intelligence.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this for a second. Our sources
today are people like Luis Elizondo, who well he ran
the Pentagon's official UAP program right at and doctor hall
put Off, a respected physicist who advised on these phenomena
for decades. And there are others like Jay Stratton and
doctor Gary Nolan, all of whom claim to have had
official access to the most sensitive data.
Speaker 2: And what the reserting is just it's staggering.
Speaker 1: It is they're saying that since the nineteen forties there
has been a systematic effort to retrieve, to reverse engineer,
and to conceal not just mysterious objects, but this is
the crucial part, non human entities.
Speaker 2: That's the mission today. We are framing this entire deep
dive not around the question of whether UAPs exist, because
you know, for these officials, they contend that's a settled
fact within classified programs, but around the sophisticated stem of
secrecy and suppression that was engineered to manage this truth.
They call it the Legacy program.
Speaker 1: So the big question for us isn't are they here?
It's more like why has the truth been locked away
for eighty years? And what has the cost been?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: We're going to look at why this information was suppressed,
how the cover up was built, what these objects actually
look like, and the stunning implications for national security and
well the very laws of physics.
Speaker 2: We need to follow these threads, you know, no matter
how wild they seem, because they are being laid out
by people who used to hold the keys to the vault.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it, all right.
Speaker 2: So if we're going to understand the level of secrecy,
the depth of the cover up, we have to start
with the sheer magnitude of the threat.
Speaker 1: The threat as they perceived it inside these programs.
Speaker 2: Precisely, we need to begin with the scale of the
alleged encounters, and specifically, we have to focus on this
long standing, really alarming pattern connecting UAPs to sensitive nuclear installations.
Speaker 1: Okay, the new connection. This has been a recurring theme for.
Speaker 2: Decades, it has, and this connection suggests a deliberate, a
strategic interest in our most potent weaponry. It's I mean,
it effectively signals that these objects are not just passively observing.
Speaker 1: Us, No, they're keenly interested in our capacity for self destruction.
Speaker 2: That's the implication. And here is where that immediate sense
of a national security threat really comes into focus. We are,
i think, accustomed to thinking about UAPs as these small,
zippy little dots.
Speaker 1: Of light, right tic TACs, saucers, that kind of thing exactly.
Speaker 2: But the testimonies from these former officials, they describe objects
whose size just elevates the threat level so far beyond
typical aircraft. When you hear the descriptions, they sound less
like advanced terrestrial planes and more like mobile, massive strategic platforms.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get specific. What are we talking about
in terms of scale.
Speaker 2: Let's look at two specific, corroborated accounts that just highlight
this gargantuan scale. First, there's the testimony of a retired
US Air Force security officials, Mario Woods. He describes an
event at Ellsworth Air Force Base. Now, this is a
crucial strategic site. It houses ICBMs, so the heart of
the nuclear tribe, the very heart. He says, a UAP
was hovering directly above the blast door of an intercontinental
ballistic missile silo, not near it, above it.
Speaker 1: And the size and aalogy Woods uses is the part
that really sticks with you. He described the object as gargantuan,
literally the size of a super Walmart building.
Speaker 2: A super Walmart. I mean, just pause for a second
and picture that.
Speaker 1: It's enormous. Yah. Think about the physical presence of a
super Walmart hundreds of feet long. It's like a multi
story building in terms of height. Now imagine that massive
structure just silently hovering, no propellers, no jets, unpropelled in
the atmosphere, and.
Speaker 2: It gets even the stranger would set it look like
a miniature sun.
Speaker 1: A miniature sun. What does that even mean?
Speaker 2: The energy output it implies not just immense physical size,
but a release or a display of energy, perhaps an
energetic field or some kind of propulsion system. We just
can't comprehend that made it glow with this incredible intensity,
all while performing an impossible stationary hover over one of
the most protected nuclear assets in the entire country.
Speaker 1: And if you stop to just consider the physics for
a moment, I mean the sheer mass required to construct
a vessel the size of a super wal Mart. It's
off the charts under our known terrestrial physics. The amount
of energy required just for lift litt alone, hovering silently
and then presumably accelerating rapidly, it's astronomical. It implies that
either the material used in its construction is impossibly light,
or the physics supporting its existence is fundamentally different from
Newton's laws as we understand them.
Speaker 2: And that isn't even the largest object described in these accounts.
Speaker 1: There's a bigger one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Retired US Air Force Security Forces official Chas King,
he recounts a separate but equally stunning UAP event at
Vandenberg Air Force.
Speaker 1: Base, another strategic nuclear site.
Speaker 2: Another one he described a rectangular matte black object, no windows,
no seams, just a black rectangle, and its reported size
was the size of a football field.
Speaker 1: A football field. Yeah, so three hundred feet long plus
the end zones.
Speaker 2: You're talking about an enormous piece of machinery.
Speaker 1: And what was its behavior? Was it also just hovering?
Speaker 2: King says it was just floating there again, demonstrating no
discernible conventional propulsion system, no noise, no heat, no exhaust. Then,
and this is the key detail, without a sound or
any visible thrust. It just it's suddenly accelerated. How fast
King describes it shooting off at thousands of miles an
hour up the coast. Wow, these accounts, and remember these
are coming from uniform security personnel on secure military basis.
They suggest these immense physical vehicles are capable of violating
the known laws of inertia and aerodynamics right over our
most sensitive installations.
Speaker 1: So if these objects are that large, that fast, and
that's silent, we really move beyond mere curiosity and into
a clearcut natural security crisis. No, the way to frame it.
Speaker 2: That is precisely the conclusion reached by the officials who
were interviewed. They assert that these UAPs present an emerging
and disruptive threat. I'd say the capabilities they observed, the speed,
the silence, the lack of known propulsion, and this ability
to appear over secure sites at will. It renders our
existing defenses completely obsolete.
Speaker 1: And that brings us to what might be the most
damning source quote in this entire section, the one about
the impotence of the US military.
Speaker 2: It's a somber one. An official stated, very plainly, we
were unable to maintain air sovereignty over North America.
Speaker 1: Air sovereignty. Let's just sit with that phrase, for it's
the bedrock of military defense. Everything we spend billions on
our raidar systems, are fighter jets, are missile defenses. It's
all predicated on the fundamental idea that we control our airspace.
Speaker 2: And if that core premise has been breached with impunity,
and not just breached, but breached by objects the size
of commercial buildings.
Speaker 1: The entire national security framework is just called into question.
If you can't track them, you can't intercept them, you
can't even accurately identify the craft, then deterrence fails completely.
It's over. But hold on, if they have been operating
this legacy program since the nineteen forties, doesn't that imply
they did have some capacity to deal with this, but
just you know, not publicly. The claim of impotence seems
to relate more to our ability to fight the threat
rather than our ability to track it.
Speaker 2: That's a really crucial distinction, and the sources seem to
support that. They suggest the military is impotent in a
defensive or offensive capacity against these craft. They can observe,
they can collect data, but they can't do anything about them.
Speaker 1: They're spectators.
Speaker 2: They're spectators in their own airspace. And this isn't a
new problem, not by a long shot. The sources are
adamant that this surveillance, what they call isr intelligence surveillance
and reconnaissance of our sensitive military facilities and nuclear sites
has been happening worldwide since the nineteen forties.
Speaker 1: It's the forties that historical timeline is just it's key.
It directly correlates with the dawn of the nuclear age.
Speaker 2: It does, which suggests a reaction to our own technological advancement.
We build the bomb, and suddenly they show up to.
Speaker 1: Watch us and to bring it up to the current moment.
One pilot who was interviewed claims this presence is now
being witnessed almost daily daily.
Speaker 2: So the threat isn't historical or fleeting. It is persistent
and it is pervasive.
Speaker 1: So if we connect this all back to you, the listener,
the sources are claiming that an intelligence operating completely outside
of human technological capabilities has been continuously monitoring our most
strategic assets for what three quarters of a century?
Speaker 2: The issue is no longer abstract. It's a reality of
chronic violation of sovereign airspace, which forces us to ask
the really big question, why.
Speaker 1: Then, was this enormous, perpetual national security threat dismissed as
cranks and swamp gas for so long? I mean, that's
the real mystery, isn't it. If objects the size of
super walmarts are violating our airspace daily. You would expect
a Manhattan Project level effort to understand and neutralize that threat.
Speaker 2: That's the logical response, right.
Speaker 1: But instead, but the sources describe is a highly effective,
decades long internal mechanism of pure suppression. The greatest resistance
to studying UAPs didn't come from a lack of data,
but from professional and ideological sabotage.
Speaker 2: And that's where we get into the cost of disclosure,
the stigma. The sources consistently described this fierce resistance faced
by witnesses, by intelligence analysts, by whistleblowers who were just
trying to bring the truth forward.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't just skepticism like oh, I'm not sure
about your data. Yeah, this was an institutional penalty.
Speaker 2: A penalty exactly. The professional risks were immediate and existential.
It was deemed and this is a quote too big
of a pill to swallow for most.
Speaker 1: Of the leadership, because addressing it meant challenging the entire
known framework of military science.
Speaker 2: And admitting defeat on air sovereignty, admitting your.
Speaker 1: Not in control. No general or politician wants to be
the one to stand up and say.
Speaker 2: That absolutely not, and the anecdotes and the source material
really illustrate the severity of the threat to your career.
One official recounted being pulled aside, you know, directly confronted
and told in no uncertain terms, don't you ever say
that again? You are never to speak of this.
Speaker 1: Sounds that a suggested, that's a threat.
Speaker 2: The implication was clear silence was mandatory for career progression
or even for basic job security. That is a direct,
forceful suppression of national security relevant information.
Speaker 1: And if that initial warning didn't work to enforce silence,
the sources claim, the next step was well systematic professional
assassination through smear campaigns.
Speaker 2: Right Luis Elizondo, who again he left the Pentagon after
running the official program specifically to bring this truth to
the public. He recounts an alleged powerful disinformation effort launched
directly against.
Speaker 1: Him from inside the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: From his former colleagues. He describes this effort specifically as
an attempt to destroy my reputation and credibility.
Speaker 1: So this suggests an active, dedicated unit or maybe a
budget designed to manage public perception by attacking the messenger.
Speaker 2: It's not just resistance, it's an intelligence operation targeting your
own former colleagues to maintain compartmentalization.
Speaker 1: This campaign and others like it, has led to what
the officials call a four score of disinformation, eighty years
of deliberate manipulation.
Speaker 2: Eighty years they claim fabricated leaks, misleading stories, and intense
socially engineered ridicule have completely shaped the public's understanding and.
Speaker 1: In doing so, obscured those eighty years of data we
just talked about the data from the nuclear sites.
Speaker 2: The critical thing to grasp here is the duration. Eighty
years of systematic conditioning means that for a vast majority
of the public, skepticism, even mockery, is the default position.
Speaker 1: And the sources are suggesting this skepticism wasn't organic. It
was manufactured.
Speaker 2: It was manufactured. And what's fascinating, and you know, frankly,
deeply unnerving, is the specific alleged mechanism they use to
maintain that ridicule factor.
Speaker 1: This is the Hollywood part.
Speaker 2: This is the Hollywood part. The sources make the striking
claim that the US government, potentially through the CIA, funded
or steered Hollywood movies and television specifically to create the
ridicule factor that is still used to suppress the topic today, just.
Speaker 1: Think about the power of that claim, the cultural dismissal
of UAPs, that instant mental image of cheesy sci fi,
the Little Green Men, tenfoil hats, tenfoil hats, all of it.
It may have been a calculated, funded project. Hollywood, the
great engine of popular culture, allegedly became a weapon of
information control.
Speaker 2: Making the public laugh at the truth to keep them
from demanding accountability. It's kind of brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's terrifyingly effective. But the resistance wasn't just professional or psychological.
It also appears to be deeply entrenched in religious and
moral resistance.
Speaker 2: And this, for me, is perhaps the most shocking claim
in the The UAP investigation was allegedly suppressed due to
intense theological reasons within the highest echelons of the Pentagon.
Speaker 1: Officials including Alizondo, recall being warned explicitly that studying these
phenomena was equivalent to doing the devil's work. Wait, just
let's pause on that for a second. We're discussing a
highly advanced aerospace threat that's disabling our nuclear weapons. How
can a military organization, one that is tasked with objective
threat assessment base its analysis on theological fundamentalism.
Speaker 2: It seems like a fundamental breakdown of the rational security apparatus.
Speaker 1: It's a complete breakdown.
Speaker 2: And it speaks to the unsettling presence of what the
officials described as religious fundamentalist extremists within high ranking positions
who actively discouraged.
Speaker 1: Any inquiry and they proclaimed what.
Speaker 2: They allegedly proclaim that in their world, these are demons.
The UAP program was accused of pinging demons and messing
in Satan's way.
Speaker 1: That's an actual quote from someone in a leadership position
at the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: That is the claim, and it creates this critical flaw
in the system. You have officials who are trying to
provide objective data on objects detected on multiple sensors, objects
that are rendering our multi billion dollar defense systems completely irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Only to be met with a response you think these
are demons and that we shouldn't even look at them
and study them.
Speaker 2: It's a total disconnect from reality based assessment.
Speaker 1: So this religious fervor it acted as a kind of
protective shield for the secret a perfect shield.
Speaker 2: It created an ideological wall that made it professionally impossible
for scientifically minded individuals to push for disclosure or even
basic investigation without facing not just career risk, but moral
condemnation from within their own ranks.
Speaker 1: The fear of being associated with Satan's world served as
a perfect chilling.
Speaker 2: Effect, and it ensured that eighty years of data remained
locked away.
Speaker 1: So the secret was guarded by professional threats, funded smear
campaign and most bizarrely of all, religious dogma. That complexity
suggests the mechanism protecting the secret was itself highly sophisticated.
Speaker 2: Which leads us directly to how they managed the physical evidence.
So if the suppression was that total, that multifaceted, the
secret they were protecting had to be absolutely enormous.
Speaker 1: It has to be worth all that effort, right, and.
Speaker 2: The sources revealed that the government's structure for managing this
secret was far more sophisticated, more layered, and more durable
than even other UAP investigators realized. We are now diving
into the anatomy of the cover up.
Speaker 1: Itself, and the Legacy program revelation is a perfect example
of this extreme compartmentalization.
Speaker 2: It really is. You had officials running known US government
UAP analysis programs programs with high clearances, with budgets that
reported up the chain of command, and they.
Speaker 1: Were allegedly shocked to discover a separate, much larger, completely
hidden program.
Speaker 2: A program called the Legacy Program, operating entirely outside congressional
and even executive overt site and dating all the way
back to the nineteen forties.
Speaker 1: So the government essentially created a front office, an investigatory
body to keep Congress and the public satisfied if they
ask questions.
Speaker 2: Exactly, a public facing or at least a congressionally facing group. Meanwhile,
the real operational core the Legacy Program, the one that
dealt with actual hardware and bodies, remained buried.
Speaker 1: It was the blackest of the black projects, designed to
survive political cycles and any kind of scrutiny.
Speaker 2: And according to the sources, that operational framework required a
very complex, multi agency structure for managing the crash, retrievals
and reverse engineering over those eight decades.
Speaker 1: This is where the legal and technical expertise was all centralized.
Speaker 2: Let's break down the architecture of this secrecy because it
reveals who the custodians of the secret actually were. The
sources identify for key players. First, the CIA, the Central
Intelligence Agency, was allegedly designated as the headquarters element, the
nerve center, the nerve Center, the overall oversight body. They
would manage the strategy, the compartmentalization, and the intelligence dissemination,
or more accurately, the lack thereof.
Speaker 1: So they're the strategists. Then you need the operational component.
Speaker 2: And that was the Air Force. They were specifically responsible
for covertly securing and retrieving any crashed UAP and any
non human bodies involved, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: They had the immediate operational capacity the logistics network required
to get to remote crash sites, quarantine them and instantly
classify the material for transport. Right.
Speaker 2: Then we get to the really highly specialized detail, the
inclusion of the Department of Energy the DOE.
Speaker 1: Now that's the one that seems out of place. Why
the DOE.
Speaker 2: The sources claim the DOE was instrumental because they were
able to leverage their unique and much deeper classification system,
which is derived from the Atomic Energy Act of nineteen
forty six.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a critical piece of the puzzle that
you the listener, really need to understand. Why the Department
of Energy and why that specific.
Speaker 2: Act, Well, the Atomic Energy Act of nineteen forty six
was created for one reason, to protect the secrets of
the atom bomb. Information deemed so critical it could literally
destroy civilization.
Speaker 1: So it's the highest level of secrecy imaginable.
Speaker 2: It's beyond top secret classification under the AEC, specifically, something
called restricted data is far more restrictive than standard military
or intelligence classification. If standard classification is a sturdy lock box,
the AEC classification, which governs nuclear material facility designs and
all the associated technology, is like a vault built inside
a mountain bunker.
Speaker 1: And the unique legal mandata of the AEC allows for
the permanent protection of specific technological secret permanent.
Speaker 2: It makes the declassification process nearly impossible without a specific
high level political act. So by routing UAP hardware and
data through the DOE and leveraging the language of the
Atomic Energy Act, they could effectively obfuse state the entire
legacy crash.
Speaker 1: Retrieval program and shield the secrets from standard congressional inking
for decades forever potentially.
Speaker 2: And finally, where did the actual reverse engineering take place?
Not in a government lab.
Speaker 1: It went to private industry defense contractors.
Speaker 2: The materials were allegedly moved entirely outside of direct government
facilities away from federal employees who might rotate out or
be subject to political oversight. The contractors provided a stable,
highly cleared, and completely insulated environment for technical analysis.
Speaker 1: This decentralized multi agency structure, it's a fortress. It ensured
that the information remained highly compartmentalized, guarded by the ultimate barrier,
the need to know principle.
Speaker 2: And the classification was so extreme the sources claim that
even the President isn't considered need to know.
Speaker 1: That's a staggering statement. It suggests the control of this
secret transcends any single political administration.
Speaker 2: The AEC's classification language was the impenetrable lock on the vault,
and it was controlled by the unelected custodians of the
Legacy program.
Speaker 1: So we zoom out for a second. This structure implies
a standing, non political bureaucracy responsible for managing for managing
extraterrestrial inventory, operating under the ultimate seal of secrecy.
Speaker 2: And the secrecy wasn't just internal to the US, it
was competitive. The sources claim a secret war has existed
since at least nineteen forty seven, when nations compete globally
in the recovery and reverse engineering of non human vehicles, which.
Speaker 1: Completely rewrites the historical narrative of the Cold War. It
wasn't just an ideological battle or an arms race.
Speaker 2: It was allegedly a frantic global scramble to gain access
to non Truman technology that could change the strategic balance
of power instantly.
Speaker 1: And the sources they touch on the cornerstone of modern
UAP history Roswell nineteen forty.
Speaker 2: Seven, They do, and the claim coming from these officials
is that four non human bodies were recovered during the
Roswell crash and they were sent along with all the
material to right Field.
Speaker 1: Which we now know as Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
Speaker 2: Right So this confirms the central physical claim of the earliest,
most famous alleged retrieval, and.
Speaker 1: The competition continued global.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. One specific claim involves the UAP crash that
was recovered by the Soviets in nineteen eighty nine. In
this incident, they allegedly discovered a very advanced directed energy
weapon as well as four humanoid alien.
Speaker 1: Bodies a directed energy weapon. So this place is the
Soviets not just as theoretical competitors, but as successful discoverers
and maybe even reverse engineers themselves.
Speaker 2: That's the implication that the technologies developed by both the
US and the USSR during the Cold War, and maybe
those being developed today by global powers, may be partially
derived from this reverse engineering effort.
Speaker 1: And to ground this massive historical claim in a personal reality,
there's the testimony from Jay Stratton.
Speaker 2: Right. Stratton, who worked on the UAP topic for sixteen
years inside the government, claims he has seen with my
own eyes non human craft and non human beings.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole that's the voice of an intelligence
officer claiming direct personal knowledge within the confines of official duty.
He's the one connecting the dots for us between the
administrative structure and the physical reality. Okay, let's move now
from the administrative conspiracy and these incredible historical claims to
the measurable physical consequences and the exotic physics required to
explain these objects.
Speaker 2: And this section is perhaps the most sobering of all
because it highlights the reality that direct interaction with these
objects is not benign. It's hazardous.
Speaker 1: We're talking about biological harm to investigators.
Speaker 2: We are. This is a rarely discussed aspect of the accounts,
and it suggests there's a literal danger zone around these craft.
Doctor Gary Nolan, a respected quantum physicist from Stanford, was
allegedly approached by US government agencies, specifically the CIA, to
review medical.
Speaker 1: Data medical data concerning who.
Speaker 2: Military personnel and intelligence officials, and this data showed that
these personnel had suffered some kind of medical harm from
direct close range interaction with UAPs or recovered material.
Speaker 1: What kind of harm are we talking about?
Speaker 2: That's the thing. The injuries were quantifiable and in some
cases debilitating. Doctor Nolan reviewed data detailing horrific burns that
led to secondary issues as well as this is astonishing
scarring inside their bodies and inside their brains.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's pause in that scarring inside the brain. That's
not something you get from heat or blunt force trauma.
That suggests exposure to a highly penetrating form of energy.
We're talking about injuries that would be consistent with focused,
non ionizing radiation, maybe something like directed microwave energy or
some unknown frequency.
Speaker 2: This moves the conversation from a security threat to a literal,
radiological or directed energy hazard.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Doctor Nolan suggested thinking of the effect like being exposed
to the energy from the back of a jet engine,
but as he put it just a lot more powerful.
The effect is acute, and it's permanent. The government is
clearly interested in the consequences of proximity.
Speaker 1: And the reaction to these injured investigators is also part
of the cover up in phras structure, isn't it? It?
Speaker 2: Is retired US Navy and Air Force intelligence officer Mike Flitte.
He recounts this strange duality. Those who investigate the phenomenon
become part of the investigation or investigated by.
Speaker 1: Our colleagues, so they become both the researcher and the
subject of research exactly.
Speaker 2: The government is intensely interested in the physiological effects of exposure,
making the medical consequences themselves a highly classified data point,
which just reinforces the seriousness of the hazard.
Speaker 1: So, moving from the biology to the physics that allows
these objects to behave as they do, we arrive at
the concepts put forward by the scientific advisors, doctor help
put Off and doctor Eric.
Speaker 2: Davis, and they had access to data that suggests these
UAPs operate on principles far beyond our current engineering understanding VOYCE,
and it essentially requires a rewrite of classical physics.
Speaker 1: The core idea is the space time bubble theory. This
is their most extraordinary claim, and it offers the scientific
rationale for all those impossible maneuvers we talked about in
the first section, the silent operation, the instantaneous acceleration, the
lack of inertia. Okay, we need to break this down
for the listener. The concept of a space time bubble
can sound like some really high level jargon. How do
we make that understandable?
Speaker 2: Let's try think of space time not as a static,
empty arena, but as a flexible fabric, like a sheet
of rubber. Currently, to move a car, you push the
car through the fabric. That requires immense energy and creates
immense drag and inertia. Right, This theory posits that UAPs
operate within a localized spacetime distortion bubble. They aren't pushing
the craft, they are manipulating the fabric of space around
the craft.
Speaker 1: Ah so they are essentially shrinking the distance in front
of them and expanding the distance behind them, or maybe
locally modifying the gravitational and inertial forces within their immediate vicinity.
Speaker 2: Exactly. The craft inside the bubble finds a way to
alter the properties of that bubble, effectively moving space itself,
and that allows for silent for sudden, non inertial acceleration,
and for seamless transition between air, space.
Speaker 1: And water, what we call trans medium travel.
Speaker 2: Trans medium travel because they aren't subject to the normal
resistance of air or water. They're in their own little
pocket of reality.
Speaker 1: And this explains why an object the size of a
super Walmart can accelerate to thousands of miles per hour
without tearing itself apart or leaving a sonic boom. The
internal inertia the g forces that would crush a human
pilot or shatter the metal, they're irrelevant because the space
itself is being warped.
Speaker 2: And here's where the theory provides that profound aha moment
that connects directly back to the evidence. This theory provides
a crucial explanation for why UAP photos and videos often
look ridiculously fuzzy or distorted or out of focus.
Speaker 1: That is always the main argument skeptics deploy right that
if the craft is so advanced, why are the photos
always so terrible?
Speaker 2: But if the craft is inside this dynamically shifting space
time distortion bubble, the light rays reflecting off the object
and heading toward the camera lens must pass through this
active space time barrier.
Speaker 1: So the camera is trying to capture an object through
an environment that is constantly warping reality.
Speaker 2: It's like trying to take a picture of a penny
at the bottom of a rippling swimming pool. The distortion
is the signal.
Speaker 1: So the poor quality of the visual evidence is not
necessarily evidence of fraud or misidentification or a cheap camera.
Speaker 2: It is potentially evidence of the exotic physics at play
that elevates the conversation entirely from terrestrial reconnaissance to a
true engagement with unknown physics. So this physical reality driven
by exotic physics and generating genuine biological hazards. It brings
us to the most sensitive claim of all the afflcupants
the occupants the alleged existence and recovery of non human intelligence,
and not just one type.
Speaker 1: This is where we move from advanced machinery to advanced biology.
According to quantum physicist doctor Howe put Off, the officials
in these crash retrieval programs have confirmed that they have
discovered bodies of more than one type of non human species,
more than one.
Speaker 2: The sources indicate that intelligence officials have been briefed on
a number of different species having been observed throughout the
eighty years of retrieval history, and.
Speaker 1: Crucially, the bodies recovered are not all the same type, not.
Speaker 2: All the same. This implies ongoing independent visits from multiple
civilizations or entities, or perhaps you know, different evolutionary stages
of the same entity. We just don't know.
Speaker 1: This complexity is reinforced by doctor Eric Davis, another key
scientific advisor to the program. He states he is aware
of at least two distinct advanced non human species.
Speaker 2: And he draws a really vital distinction between the two,
which is one species whose bodies were recovered via various crashes.
This suggests technical failure or maybe accidental interaction with.
Speaker 1: Our environment, the ones they found in wreckage, right.
Speaker 2: But then there's another completely separate species that actually made contact.
Speaker 1: Mid contact, meaning they chose to engage with the legacy
crash retrieval program deliberately.
Speaker 2: The difference between crashing and making contact is enormous.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's just a major difference in intent, in
technological stability, or maybe even in their ethical approach. Between
the visitors. One is an accidental presence, the other is
a deliberate diplomatic or observational engagement, and.
Speaker 2: The claim of deliberate contact is grounded in a specific,
highly detailed, historical anecdote that allegedly involved a US president.
Speaker 1: This is the George HW. Bush story.
Speaker 2: It is Doctor Eric Davis claimed that during a private
conversation in two thousand and three with former President George HW. Bush,
Bush shared details of a remarkable event from nineteen.
Speaker 1: Sixty four, and this event took place at Holloman Air
Force Base, another key location in the defense infrastructure.
Speaker 2: According to Bush, the incident involved three UAPs approaching the base,
one of which actually landed landed.
Speaker 1: This wasn't a fly by, It was a physical arrival
on a secure American military installation.
Speaker 2: A controlled landing. And here is the core just breathtaking
revelation from that story. A non human entity deboarded the
landed craft.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And it interacted directly with uniformed Air Force and civilian
CIA personnel.
Speaker 1: So this is a claim of a documented physical, high
level interaction involving multiple agencies on a US military base
in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2: It moves far beyond just retrieving crash debris and bodies.
This is just a known conscious interaction event that required
operational management by both the military and the CIA that
designated headquarters element of the Legacy Program.
Speaker 1: What was the outcome of that conversation? Did Davis get
any details on what was exchanged or the terms of
the interaction?
Speaker 2: Well, when Davis press President Bush for more details about
the outcome of this interaction, about what was learned or
agreed upon, the former president's alleged response just echoed that
administrative secrecy we dissected earlier. Well, me guess he was
simply told he did not have a need to know.
Speaker 1: Need to know that one phrase spoken by a former
commander in chief about an event he was aware thereof
pritically encapsulates the entire architecture of the secret.
Speaker 2: It does even someone who held the highest office in
the land is allegedly still bound by the rigid classification
structure of the Legacy Program.
Speaker 1: It confirms that the classification structure, allegedly leveraging the Atomic
Energy Act and the dioe's power, is truly durable. It's
designed to protect the information from public view regardless of
who is in office.
Speaker 2: The secrets belong to the custodians of the Legacy program
not necessarily to the elected government, and that notion, if
it's true, profoundly changes how we view American governance. Over
the last eighty years.
Speaker 1: We have journeyed through some truly astonishing territory. Today on
thrilling threads, we started with the sheer, massive scale of
these UAPs, objects the size of super walmarts in football fields,
violating our air sovereignty and rendering our military defense's impotent
since the nineteen forties.
Speaker 2: We then pulled apart the machinery of suppression, the professional stigma,
the alleged funded smear campaigns against officials who tried to
s speak up, and the bizarre, shocking ideological resistance within
the Pentagon, where rational scientific inquiry was allegedly met with
warnings about demons and Satan's world.
Speaker 1: We explored the covert infrastructure required to maintain this eighty
year secret, discovering the alleged existence of the highly compartmentalized
Legacy program, operating outside congressional oversight and protected most critically
by leveraging the deep classification system derived from the Atomic
Energy Act of nineteen forty.
Speaker 2: Six, and that mechanism turned the secret into a permanent,
non political fixture, And.
Speaker 1: Finally we discussed the physical reality, the sobering biological consequences
for investigators who suffered scarring inside their bodies and brains
from proximity to the phenomena, and.
Speaker 2: The exotic physics, the spacetime distortion bubble theory required to
explain the impossible maneuvers, suggesting that even a fuzzy photo
can be physical evidence of a warped reality. And the
capstone the claims of multiple diverse non human species culminating
in that alleged high level deliberate contact event at Holloman
Air Force Base in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1: You know, this whole deep dive shows how critical thinking
and a demanding focus on objective data are absolutely essential
when the information you receive has allegedly been filtered, manipulated,
and buried under decades of official secrecy, ridicule, and ideological geitkeeping.
Speaker 2: What stands out most to me is that they didn't
just hide a piece of technology. They use the most
stringent legal mechanism available, one designed for atomic weapons to
hide a.
Speaker 1: Reality, right, the use of the Atomic Energy Act.
Speaker 2: The use of that Act suggests that the material they
recovered is viewed as being equally as disruptive and dangerous
to global stability as atomic weapons themselves. It requires the
same level of legal and operational isolation.
Speaker 1: So we want to leave you with this final provocative thought.
If former government officials are willing to deploy professional destruction,
fund popular culture for disinformation, leverage religious stigma, and use
the deepest classification layer available the Atomic Energy Act to
obscure objects the size of a commercial building, what does
this level of organized, decades long secrecy imply about the
true power dynamics between the unelected custodians of the secret
and the public they supposedly serve.
Speaker 2: And what is your threshold for evidence when the official
gatekeepers themselves, the former intelligence officers, are the ones claiming
the truth is being deliberately hidden from you.
Speaker 1: We really want to hear your theories, your wild guesses,
or even your skepticisms. If the facts we discussed today
coming directly from former intelligence officials are true, how does
that fundamentally change your perspective on history, science, and your
place in the universe.
Speaker 2: Drop your thoughts in the comments below.
Speaker 1: We'll be back soon with another thrilling deep dive on
thrilling threads