1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,359 Speaker 1: We've all considered the possibility, haven't we that? You know, 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,360 that fleeting thought you get late at night. What if 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,519 the foundational truths about our place in the cosmos, about 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,320 the real limitations of our own technology, have been systematically 5 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:14,800 deliberately shielded from us? 6 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Right? 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: What if the story of human history as we know 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,920 it are our isolation, our technological supremacy is incomplete. 9 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, what if it's just not the whole. 10 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:27,719 Speaker 1: Story exactly because key players within our own government shows 11 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:31,559 decades ago to just lock the real data way. 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: Welcome to thrilling Threads. Today. We are undertaking a well 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,520 pretty massive project, a comprehensive exploration of a set of 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,399 claims that really challenge reality itself. 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,079 Speaker 1: And we should be clear from the top. We're not 16 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:47,600 discussing shaky backyard videos or you know, fuzzy photos from 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,079 a blog. 18 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. We are examining an extraordinary body of 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,759 sources derived exclusively from former intelligence officials, high ranking military 20 00:00:56,759 --> 00:01:01,200 security officers, and scientific program advisors. These are individuals who 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,599 state they operated inside the mechanisms of secrecy surrounding unidentified 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,760 aerial phenomena or UAPs, and non human intelligence. 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this for a second. Our sources 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,239 today are people like Luis Elizondo, who well he ran 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,359 the Pentagon's official UAP program right at and doctor hall 26 00:01:20,439 --> 00:01:23,959 put Off, a respected physicist who advised on these phenomena 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,760 for decades. And there are others like Jay Stratton and 28 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:29,079 doctor Gary Nolan, all of whom claim to have had 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,439 official access to the most sensitive data. 30 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: And what the reserting is just it's staggering. 31 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:36,439 Speaker 1: It is they're saying that since the nineteen forties there 32 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:39,760 has been a systematic effort to retrieve, to reverse engineer, 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,920 and to conceal not just mysterious objects, but this is 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,280 the crucial part, non human entities. 35 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:49,519 Speaker 2: That's the mission today. We are framing this entire deep 36 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,040 dive not around the question of whether UAPs exist, because 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,879 you know, for these officials, they contend that's a settled 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,439 fact within classified programs, but around the sophisticated stem of 39 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,120 secrecy and suppression that was engineered to manage this truth. 40 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:06,159 They call it the Legacy program. 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: So the big question for us isn't are they here? 42 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,759 It's more like why has the truth been locked away 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,960 for eighty years? And what has the cost been? 44 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: Exactly? 45 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: We're going to look at why this information was suppressed, 46 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:20,960 how the cover up was built, what these objects actually 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,479 look like, and the stunning implications for national security and 48 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:26,759 well the very laws of physics. 49 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: We need to follow these threads, you know, no matter 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,599 how wild they seem, because they are being laid out 51 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,879 by people who used to hold the keys to the vault. 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: Let's get into it, all right. 53 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: So if we're going to understand the level of secrecy, 54 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,680 the depth of the cover up, we have to start 55 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,000 with the sheer magnitude of the threat. 56 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: The threat as they perceived it inside these programs. 57 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: Precisely, we need to begin with the scale of the 58 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,360 alleged encounters, and specifically, we have to focus on this 59 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:58,039 long standing, really alarming pattern connecting UAPs to sensitive nuclear installations. 60 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: Okay, the new connection. This has been a recurring theme for. 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: Decades, it has, and this connection suggests a deliberate, a 62 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,680 strategic interest in our most potent weaponry. It's I mean, 63 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:14,639 it effectively signals that these objects are not just passively observing. 64 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: Us, No, they're keenly interested in our capacity for self destruction. 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: That's the implication. And here is where that immediate sense 66 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,080 of a national security threat really comes into focus. We are, 67 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:27,080 i think, accustomed to thinking about UAPs as these small, 68 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,800 zippy little dots. 69 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: Of light, right tic TACs, saucers, that kind of thing exactly. 70 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: But the testimonies from these former officials, they describe objects 71 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:38,800 whose size just elevates the threat level so far beyond 72 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,280 typical aircraft. When you hear the descriptions, they sound less 73 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:47,400 like advanced terrestrial planes and more like mobile, massive strategic platforms. 74 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get specific. What are we talking about 75 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:50,360 in terms of scale. 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: Let's look at two specific, corroborated accounts that just highlight 77 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:58,400 this gargantuan scale. First, there's the testimony of a retired 78 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,400 US Air Force security officials, Mario Woods. He describes an 79 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:05,719 event at Ellsworth Air Force Base. Now, this is a 80 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:09,719 crucial strategic site. It houses ICBMs, so the heart of 81 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:13,360 the nuclear tribe, the very heart. He says, a UAP 82 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:17,079 was hovering directly above the blast door of an intercontinental 83 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,079 ballistic missile silo, not near it, above it. 84 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,439 Speaker 1: And the size and aalogy Woods uses is the part 85 00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:26,920 that really sticks with you. He described the object as gargantuan, 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,600 literally the size of a super Walmart building. 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: A super Walmart. I mean, just pause for a second 88 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,120 and picture that. 89 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: It's enormous. Yah. Think about the physical presence of a 90 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:37,360 super Walmart hundreds of feet long. It's like a multi 91 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,079 story building in terms of height. Now imagine that massive 92 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,199 structure just silently hovering, no propellers, no jets, unpropelled in 93 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,040 the atmosphere, and. 94 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,759 Speaker 2: It gets even the stranger would set it look like 95 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:48,600 a miniature sun. 96 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:50,759 Speaker 1: A miniature sun. What does that even mean? 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,639 Speaker 2: The energy output it implies not just immense physical size, 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,800 but a release or a display of energy, perhaps an 99 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:01,560 energetic field or some kind of propulsion system. We just 100 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,120 can't comprehend that made it glow with this incredible intensity, 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,000 all while performing an impossible stationary hover over one of 102 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,480 the most protected nuclear assets in the entire country. 103 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: And if you stop to just consider the physics for 104 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,720 a moment, I mean the sheer mass required to construct 105 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,759 a vessel the size of a super wal Mart. It's 106 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,959 off the charts under our known terrestrial physics. The amount 107 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:26,879 of energy required just for lift litt alone, hovering silently 108 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:33,399 and then presumably accelerating rapidly, it's astronomical. It implies that 109 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,399 either the material used in its construction is impossibly light, 110 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,920 or the physics supporting its existence is fundamentally different from 111 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:41,560 Newton's laws as we understand them. 112 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: And that isn't even the largest object described in these accounts. 113 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: There's a bigger one. 114 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,959 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Retired US Air Force Security Forces official Chas King, 115 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,720 he recounts a separate but equally stunning UAP event at 116 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,120 Vandenberg Air Force. 117 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,879 Speaker 1: Base, another strategic nuclear site. 118 00:05:55,959 --> 00:06:00,959 Speaker 2: Another one he described a rectangular matte black object, no windows, 119 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,959 no seams, just a black rectangle, and its reported size 120 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,040 was the size of a football field. 121 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,319 Speaker 1: A football field. Yeah, so three hundred feet long plus 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,199 the end zones. 123 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: You're talking about an enormous piece of machinery. 124 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: And what was its behavior? Was it also just hovering? 125 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,399 Speaker 2: King says it was just floating there again, demonstrating no 126 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,800 discernible conventional propulsion system, no noise, no heat, no exhaust. Then, 127 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,079 and this is the key detail, without a sound or 128 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,199 any visible thrust. It just it's suddenly accelerated. How fast 129 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,399 King describes it shooting off at thousands of miles an 130 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:39,199 hour up the coast. Wow, these accounts, and remember these 131 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,519 are coming from uniform security personnel on secure military basis. 132 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:46,240 They suggest these immense physical vehicles are capable of violating 133 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,560 the known laws of inertia and aerodynamics right over our 134 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,160 most sensitive installations. 135 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: So if these objects are that large, that fast, and 136 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:57,560 that's silent, we really move beyond mere curiosity and into 137 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,839 a clearcut natural security crisis. No, the way to frame it. 138 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: That is precisely the conclusion reached by the officials who 139 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:08,279 were interviewed. They assert that these UAPs present an emerging 140 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,920 and disruptive threat. I'd say the capabilities they observed, the speed, 141 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,279 the silence, the lack of known propulsion, and this ability 142 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,720 to appear over secure sites at will. It renders our 143 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,839 existing defenses completely obsolete. 144 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: And that brings us to what might be the most 145 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,319 damning source quote in this entire section, the one about 146 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:31,199 the impotence of the US military. 147 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:34,959 Speaker 2: It's a somber one. An official stated, very plainly, we 148 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:38,439 were unable to maintain air sovereignty over North America. 149 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: Air sovereignty. Let's just sit with that phrase, for it's 150 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:45,560 the bedrock of military defense. Everything we spend billions on 151 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,079 our raidar systems, are fighter jets, are missile defenses. It's 152 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:52,000 all predicated on the fundamental idea that we control our airspace. 153 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,519 Speaker 2: And if that core premise has been breached with impunity, 154 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:58,519 and not just breached, but breached by objects the size 155 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:00,160 of commercial buildings. 156 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: The entire national security framework is just called into question. 157 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:06,120 If you can't track them, you can't intercept them, you 158 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,480 can't even accurately identify the craft, then deterrence fails completely. 159 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,439 It's over. But hold on, if they have been operating 160 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:16,720 this legacy program since the nineteen forties, doesn't that imply 161 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,759 they did have some capacity to deal with this, but 162 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:23,279 just you know, not publicly. The claim of impotence seems 163 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:25,720 to relate more to our ability to fight the threat 164 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:27,279 rather than our ability to track it. 165 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:29,759 Speaker 2: That's a really crucial distinction, and the sources seem to 166 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,720 support that. They suggest the military is impotent in a 167 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:37,080 defensive or offensive capacity against these craft. They can observe, 168 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,879 they can collect data, but they can't do anything about them. 169 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:40,799 Speaker 1: They're spectators. 170 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,799 Speaker 2: They're spectators in their own airspace. And this isn't a 171 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,720 new problem, not by a long shot. The sources are 172 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:51,279 adamant that this surveillance, what they call isr intelligence surveillance 173 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:54,720 and reconnaissance of our sensitive military facilities and nuclear sites 174 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,200 has been happening worldwide since the nineteen forties. 175 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: It's the forties that historical timeline is just it's key. 176 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:03,720 It directly correlates with the dawn of the nuclear age. 177 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,759 Speaker 2: It does, which suggests a reaction to our own technological advancement. 178 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,639 We build the bomb, and suddenly they show up to. 179 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: Watch us and to bring it up to the current moment. 180 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,519 One pilot who was interviewed claims this presence is now 181 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,120 being witnessed almost daily daily. 182 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:23,519 Speaker 2: So the threat isn't historical or fleeting. It is persistent 183 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,759 and it is pervasive. 184 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: So if we connect this all back to you, the listener, 185 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:31,480 the sources are claiming that an intelligence operating completely outside 186 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:36,360 of human technological capabilities has been continuously monitoring our most 187 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:40,159 strategic assets for what three quarters of a century? 188 00:09:40,279 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: The issue is no longer abstract. It's a reality of 189 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:46,600 chronic violation of sovereign airspace, which forces us to ask 190 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,480 the really big question, why. 191 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: Then, was this enormous, perpetual national security threat dismissed as 192 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:55,159 cranks and swamp gas for so long? I mean, that's 193 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,559 the real mystery, isn't it. If objects the size of 194 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,039 super walmarts are violating our airspace daily. You would expect 195 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:05,639 a Manhattan Project level effort to understand and neutralize that threat. 196 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,279 Speaker 2: That's the logical response, right. 197 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,039 Speaker 1: But instead, but the sources describe is a highly effective, 198 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,039 decades long internal mechanism of pure suppression. The greatest resistance 199 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,159 to studying UAPs didn't come from a lack of data, 200 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,799 but from professional and ideological sabotage. 201 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,159 Speaker 2: And that's where we get into the cost of disclosure, 202 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,080 the stigma. The sources consistently described this fierce resistance faced 203 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,679 by witnesses, by intelligence analysts, by whistleblowers who were just 204 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,080 trying to bring the truth forward. 205 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: And this wasn't just skepticism like oh, I'm not sure 206 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,360 about your data. Yeah, this was an institutional penalty. 207 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: A penalty exactly. The professional risks were immediate and existential. 208 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:50,000 It was deemed and this is a quote too big 209 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,519 of a pill to swallow for most. 210 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Of the leadership, because addressing it meant challenging the entire 211 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:57,159 known framework of military science. 212 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 2: And admitting defeat on air sovereignty, admitting your. 213 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Not in control. No general or politician wants to be 214 00:11:02,799 --> 00:11:04,039 the one to stand up and say. 215 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:06,919 Speaker 2: That absolutely not, and the anecdotes and the source material 216 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:10,159 really illustrate the severity of the threat to your career. 217 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,720 One official recounted being pulled aside, you know, directly confronted 218 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,679 and told in no uncertain terms, don't you ever say 219 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,639 that again? You are never to speak of this. 220 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: Sounds that a suggested, that's a threat. 221 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: The implication was clear silence was mandatory for career progression 222 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,039 or even for basic job security. That is a direct, 223 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,759 forceful suppression of national security relevant information. 224 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: And if that initial warning didn't work to enforce silence, 225 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,200 the sources claim, the next step was well systematic professional 226 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,120 assassination through smear campaigns. 227 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: Right Luis Elizondo, who again he left the Pentagon after 228 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:50,159 running the official program specifically to bring this truth to 229 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,200 the public. He recounts an alleged powerful disinformation effort launched 230 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,279 directly against. 231 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,639 Speaker 1: Him from inside the Pentagon. 232 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,399 Speaker 2: From his former colleagues. He describes this effort specifically as 233 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,679 an attempt to destroy my reputation and credibility. 234 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: So this suggests an active, dedicated unit or maybe a 235 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,840 budget designed to manage public perception by attacking the messenger. 236 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: It's not just resistance, it's an intelligence operation targeting your 237 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,360 own former colleagues to maintain compartmentalization. 238 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: This campaign and others like it, has led to what 239 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:24,559 the officials call a four score of disinformation, eighty years 240 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,000 of deliberate manipulation. 241 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: Eighty years they claim fabricated leaks, misleading stories, and intense 242 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,240 socially engineered ridicule have completely shaped the public's understanding and. 243 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: In doing so, obscured those eighty years of data we 244 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,759 just talked about the data from the nuclear sites. 245 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,159 Speaker 2: The critical thing to grasp here is the duration. Eighty 246 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:48,320 years of systematic conditioning means that for a vast majority 247 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,600 of the public, skepticism, even mockery, is the default position. 248 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,799 Speaker 1: And the sources are suggesting this skepticism wasn't organic. It 249 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:56,559 was manufactured. 250 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: It was manufactured. And what's fascinating, and you know, frankly, 251 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:03,919 deeply unnerving, is the specific alleged mechanism they use to 252 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,399 maintain that ridicule factor. 253 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,399 Speaker 1: This is the Hollywood part. 254 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: This is the Hollywood part. The sources make the striking 255 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:12,879 claim that the US government, potentially through the CIA, funded 256 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,080 or steered Hollywood movies and television specifically to create the 257 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:20,960 ridicule factor that is still used to suppress the topic today, just. 258 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: Think about the power of that claim, the cultural dismissal 259 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:28,120 of UAPs, that instant mental image of cheesy sci fi, 260 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,120 the Little Green Men, tenfoil hats, tenfoil hats, all of it. 261 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,480 It may have been a calculated, funded project. Hollywood, the 262 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:40,360 great engine of popular culture, allegedly became a weapon of 263 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,000 information control. 264 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: Making the public laugh at the truth to keep them 265 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:46,840 from demanding accountability. It's kind of brilliant. 266 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: It's terrifyingly effective. But the resistance wasn't just professional or psychological. 267 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:55,000 It also appears to be deeply entrenched in religious and 268 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,080 moral resistance. 269 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,759 Speaker 2: And this, for me, is perhaps the most shocking claim 270 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:03,360 in the The UAP investigation was allegedly suppressed due to 271 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,159 intense theological reasons within the highest echelons of the Pentagon. 272 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: Officials including Alizondo, recall being warned explicitly that studying these 273 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,080 phenomena was equivalent to doing the devil's work. Wait, just 274 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,320 let's pause on that for a second. We're discussing a 275 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:24,600 highly advanced aerospace threat that's disabling our nuclear weapons. How 276 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:28,559 can a military organization, one that is tasked with objective 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,799 threat assessment base its analysis on theological fundamentalism. 278 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,879 Speaker 2: It seems like a fundamental breakdown of the rational security apparatus. 279 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,639 Speaker 1: It's a complete breakdown. 280 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:41,279 Speaker 2: And it speaks to the unsettling presence of what the 281 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,840 officials described as religious fundamentalist extremists within high ranking positions 282 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:49,200 who actively discouraged. 283 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: Any inquiry and they proclaimed what. 284 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: They allegedly proclaim that in their world, these are demons. 285 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,360 The UAP program was accused of pinging demons and messing 286 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,000 in Satan's way. 287 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,919 Speaker 1: That's an actual quote from someone in a leadership position 288 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:03,559 at the Pentagon. 289 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: That is the claim, and it creates this critical flaw 290 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:08,960 in the system. You have officials who are trying to 291 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,159 provide objective data on objects detected on multiple sensors, objects 292 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:17,879 that are rendering our multi billion dollar defense systems completely irrelevant. 293 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,159 Speaker 1: Only to be met with a response you think these 294 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,120 are demons and that we shouldn't even look at them 295 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:22,759 and study them. 296 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,759 Speaker 2: It's a total disconnect from reality based assessment. 297 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,879 Speaker 1: So this religious fervor it acted as a kind of 298 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:33,000 protective shield for the secret a perfect shield. 299 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: It created an ideological wall that made it professionally impossible 300 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:40,440 for scientifically minded individuals to push for disclosure or even 301 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:45,519 basic investigation without facing not just career risk, but moral 302 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:47,919 condemnation from within their own ranks. 303 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:51,399 Speaker 1: The fear of being associated with Satan's world served as 304 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,480 a perfect chilling. 305 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,039 Speaker 2: Effect, and it ensured that eighty years of data remained 306 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:55,679 locked away. 307 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: So the secret was guarded by professional threats, funded smear 308 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:05,480 campaign and most bizarrely of all, religious dogma. That complexity 309 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:10,080 suggests the mechanism protecting the secret was itself highly sophisticated. 310 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: Which leads us directly to how they managed the physical evidence. 311 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,399 So if the suppression was that total, that multifaceted, the 312 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,919 secret they were protecting had to be absolutely enormous. 313 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,279 Speaker 1: It has to be worth all that effort, right, and. 314 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: The sources revealed that the government's structure for managing this 315 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,600 secret was far more sophisticated, more layered, and more durable 316 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:31,000 than even other UAP investigators realized. We are now diving 317 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:32,480 into the anatomy of the cover up. 318 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: Itself, and the Legacy program revelation is a perfect example 319 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:38,200 of this extreme compartmentalization. 320 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: It really is. You had officials running known US government 321 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:47,320 UAP analysis programs programs with high clearances, with budgets that 322 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:49,399 reported up the chain of command, and they. 323 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Were allegedly shocked to discover a separate, much larger, completely 324 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,960 hidden program. 325 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: A program called the Legacy Program, operating entirely outside congressional 326 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:01,519 and even executive overt site and dating all the way 327 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:02,759 back to the nineteen forties. 328 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: So the government essentially created a front office, an investigatory 329 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,880 body to keep Congress and the public satisfied if they 330 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,960 ask questions. 331 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: Exactly, a public facing or at least a congressionally facing group. Meanwhile, 332 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,359 the real operational core the Legacy Program, the one that 333 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,640 dealt with actual hardware and bodies, remained buried. 334 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:23,279 Speaker 1: It was the blackest of the black projects, designed to 335 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:26,160 survive political cycles and any kind of scrutiny. 336 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: And according to the sources, that operational framework required a 337 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,200 very complex, multi agency structure for managing the crash, retrievals 338 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,720 and reverse engineering over those eight decades. 339 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: This is where the legal and technical expertise was all centralized. 340 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: Let's break down the architecture of this secrecy because it 341 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:49,000 reveals who the custodians of the secret actually were. The 342 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:54,319 sources identify for key players. First, the CIA, the Central 343 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:58,599 Intelligence Agency, was allegedly designated as the headquarters element, the 344 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,960 nerve center, the nerve Center, the overall oversight body. They 345 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,039 would manage the strategy, the compartmentalization, and the intelligence dissemination, 346 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,599 or more accurately, the lack thereof. 347 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:11,839 Speaker 1: So they're the strategists. Then you need the operational component. 348 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,079 Speaker 2: And that was the Air Force. They were specifically responsible 349 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,240 for covertly securing and retrieving any crashed UAP and any 350 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:20,559 non human bodies involved, which makes sense. 351 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: They had the immediate operational capacity the logistics network required 352 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,079 to get to remote crash sites, quarantine them and instantly 353 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,160 classify the material for transport. Right. 354 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: Then we get to the really highly specialized detail, the 355 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:35,880 inclusion of the Department of Energy the DOE. 356 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: Now that's the one that seems out of place. Why 357 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:38,920 the DOE. 358 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,839 Speaker 2: The sources claim the DOE was instrumental because they were 359 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,440 able to leverage their unique and much deeper classification system, 360 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,880 which is derived from the Atomic Energy Act of nineteen 361 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,559 forty six. 362 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: Okay, this is a critical piece of the puzzle that 363 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,759 you the listener, really need to understand. Why the Department 364 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:57,920 of Energy and why that specific. 365 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: Act, Well, the Atomic Energy Act of nineteen forty six 366 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,200 was created for one reason, to protect the secrets of 367 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,160 the atom bomb. Information deemed so critical it could literally 368 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,279 destroy civilization. 369 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: So it's the highest level of secrecy imaginable. 370 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: It's beyond top secret classification under the AEC, specifically, something 371 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:20,119 called restricted data is far more restrictive than standard military 372 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,880 or intelligence classification. If standard classification is a sturdy lock box, 373 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,880 the AEC classification, which governs nuclear material facility designs and 374 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,640 all the associated technology, is like a vault built inside 375 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,519 a mountain bunker. 376 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,799 Speaker 1: And the unique legal mandata of the AEC allows for 377 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,680 the permanent protection of specific technological secret permanent. 378 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: It makes the declassification process nearly impossible without a specific 379 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,119 high level political act. So by routing UAP hardware and 380 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,559 data through the DOE and leveraging the language of the 381 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:55,920 Atomic Energy Act, they could effectively obfuse state the entire 382 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:56,920 legacy crash. 383 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: Retrieval program and shield the secrets from standard congressional inking 384 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,279 for decades forever potentially. 385 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,079 Speaker 2: And finally, where did the actual reverse engineering take place? 386 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,079 Not in a government lab. 387 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: It went to private industry defense contractors. 388 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: The materials were allegedly moved entirely outside of direct government 389 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,279 facilities away from federal employees who might rotate out or 390 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:21,440 be subject to political oversight. The contractors provided a stable, 391 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,079 highly cleared, and completely insulated environment for technical analysis. 392 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: This decentralized multi agency structure, it's a fortress. It ensured 393 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,440 that the information remained highly compartmentalized, guarded by the ultimate barrier, 394 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,759 the need to know principle. 395 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,599 Speaker 2: And the classification was so extreme the sources claim that 396 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,240 even the President isn't considered need to know. 397 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: That's a staggering statement. It suggests the control of this 398 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:50,519 secret transcends any single political administration. 399 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: The AEC's classification language was the impenetrable lock on the vault, 400 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,920 and it was controlled by the unelected custodians of the 401 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:58,920 Legacy program. 402 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: So we zoom out for a second. This structure implies 403 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,039 a standing, non political bureaucracy responsible for managing for managing 404 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:10,000 extraterrestrial inventory, operating under the ultimate seal of secrecy. 405 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: And the secrecy wasn't just internal to the US, it 406 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:16,759 was competitive. The sources claim a secret war has existed 407 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:20,559 since at least nineteen forty seven, when nations compete globally 408 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:24,440 in the recovery and reverse engineering of non human vehicles, which. 409 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,079 Speaker 1: Completely rewrites the historical narrative of the Cold War. It 410 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,359 wasn't just an ideological battle or an arms race. 411 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: It was allegedly a frantic global scramble to gain access 412 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,720 to non Truman technology that could change the strategic balance 413 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,000 of power instantly. 414 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: And the sources they touch on the cornerstone of modern 415 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,799 UAP history Roswell nineteen forty. 416 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: Seven, They do, and the claim coming from these officials 417 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:50,599 is that four non human bodies were recovered during the 418 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,720 Roswell crash and they were sent along with all the 419 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,279 material to right Field. 420 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: Which we now know as Wright Patterson Air Force Base. 421 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: Right So this confirms the central physical claim of the earliest, 422 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:02,720 most famous alleged retrieval, and. 423 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: The competition continued global. 424 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,559 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. One specific claim involves the UAP crash that 425 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,079 was recovered by the Soviets in nineteen eighty nine. In 426 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,519 this incident, they allegedly discovered a very advanced directed energy 427 00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:16,119 weapon as well as four humanoid alien. 428 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,279 Speaker 1: Bodies a directed energy weapon. So this place is the 429 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:23,440 Soviets not just as theoretical competitors, but as successful discoverers 430 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:26,720 and maybe even reverse engineers themselves. 431 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: That's the implication that the technologies developed by both the 432 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:32,799 US and the USSR during the Cold War, and maybe 433 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,119 those being developed today by global powers, may be partially 434 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,480 derived from this reverse engineering effort. 435 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:42,759 Speaker 1: And to ground this massive historical claim in a personal reality, 436 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:45,039 there's the testimony from Jay Stratton. 437 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,039 Speaker 2: Right. Stratton, who worked on the UAP topic for sixteen 438 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,640 years inside the government, claims he has seen with my 439 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000 own eyes non human craft and non human beings. 440 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: And that's a whole that's the voice of an intelligence 441 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,960 officer claiming direct personal knowledge within the confines of official duty. 442 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,400 He's the one connecting the dots for us between the 443 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,319 administrative structure and the physical reality. Okay, let's move now 444 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,519 from the administrative conspiracy and these incredible historical claims to 445 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:17,279 the measurable physical consequences and the exotic physics required to 446 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:18,480 explain these objects. 447 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:21,519 Speaker 2: And this section is perhaps the most sobering of all 448 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:24,680 because it highlights the reality that direct interaction with these 449 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480 objects is not benign. It's hazardous. 450 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: We're talking about biological harm to investigators. 451 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: We are. This is a rarely discussed aspect of the accounts, 452 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,319 and it suggests there's a literal danger zone around these craft. 453 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,000 Doctor Gary Nolan, a respected quantum physicist from Stanford, was 454 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,559 allegedly approached by US government agencies, specifically the CIA, to 455 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,079 review medical. 456 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,759 Speaker 1: Data medical data concerning who. 457 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,799 Speaker 2: Military personnel and intelligence officials, and this data showed that 458 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,599 these personnel had suffered some kind of medical harm from 459 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,240 direct close range interaction with UAPs or recovered material. 460 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: What kind of harm are we talking about? 461 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 2: That's the thing. The injuries were quantifiable and in some 462 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,200 cases debilitating. Doctor Nolan reviewed data detailing horrific burns that 463 00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,759 led to secondary issues as well as this is astonishing 464 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,960 scarring inside their bodies and inside their brains. 465 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,839 Speaker 1: Okay, let's pause in that scarring inside the brain. That's 466 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,240 not something you get from heat or blunt force trauma. 467 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960 That suggests exposure to a highly penetrating form of energy. 468 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,880 We're talking about injuries that would be consistent with focused, 469 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,400 non ionizing radiation, maybe something like directed microwave energy or 470 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,720 some unknown frequency. 471 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: This moves the conversation from a security threat to a literal, 472 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,200 radiological or directed energy hazard. 473 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:41,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 474 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: Doctor Nolan suggested thinking of the effect like being exposed 475 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,119 to the energy from the back of a jet engine, 476 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,839 but as he put it just a lot more powerful. 477 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,839 The effect is acute, and it's permanent. The government is 478 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,920 clearly interested in the consequences of proximity. 479 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: And the reaction to these injured investigators is also part 480 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,960 of the cover up in phras structure, isn't it? It? 481 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:05,079 Speaker 2: Is retired US Navy and Air Force intelligence officer Mike Flitte. 482 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,440 He recounts this strange duality. Those who investigate the phenomenon 483 00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:12,240 become part of the investigation or investigated by. 484 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:14,799 Speaker 1: Our colleagues, so they become both the researcher and the 485 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:16,759 subject of research exactly. 486 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,839 Speaker 2: The government is intensely interested in the physiological effects of exposure, 487 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,960 making the medical consequences themselves a highly classified data point, 488 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,200 which just reinforces the seriousness of the hazard. 489 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: So, moving from the biology to the physics that allows 490 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,519 these objects to behave as they do, we arrive at 491 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,680 the concepts put forward by the scientific advisors, doctor help 492 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,960 put Off and doctor Eric. 493 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,279 Speaker 2: Davis, and they had access to data that suggests these 494 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,400 UAPs operate on principles far beyond our current engineering understanding VOYCE, 495 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,519 and it essentially requires a rewrite of classical physics. 496 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: The core idea is the space time bubble theory. This 497 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,680 is their most extraordinary claim, and it offers the scientific 498 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,319 rationale for all those impossible maneuvers we talked about in 499 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,519 the first section, the silent operation, the instantaneous acceleration, the 500 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,200 lack of inertia. Okay, we need to break this down 501 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,799 for the listener. The concept of a space time bubble 502 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,440 can sound like some really high level jargon. How do 503 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,599 we make that understandable? 504 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: Let's try think of space time not as a static, 505 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:19,839 empty arena, but as a flexible fabric, like a sheet 506 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,559 of rubber. Currently, to move a car, you push the 507 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,880 car through the fabric. That requires immense energy and creates 508 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,960 immense drag and inertia. Right, This theory posits that UAPs 509 00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:36,400 operate within a localized spacetime distortion bubble. They aren't pushing 510 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,400 the craft, they are manipulating the fabric of space around 511 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:39,880 the craft. 512 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: Ah so they are essentially shrinking the distance in front 513 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,559 of them and expanding the distance behind them, or maybe 514 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,480 locally modifying the gravitational and inertial forces within their immediate vicinity. 515 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:54,279 Speaker 2: Exactly. The craft inside the bubble finds a way to 516 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,880 alter the properties of that bubble, effectively moving space itself, 517 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:02,799 and that allows for silent for sudden, non inertial acceleration, 518 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,440 and for seamless transition between air, space. 519 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: And water, what we call trans medium travel. 520 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: Trans medium travel because they aren't subject to the normal 521 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,519 resistance of air or water. They're in their own little 522 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:15,599 pocket of reality. 523 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: And this explains why an object the size of a 524 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:21,079 super Walmart can accelerate to thousands of miles per hour 525 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,599 without tearing itself apart or leaving a sonic boom. The 526 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,359 internal inertia the g forces that would crush a human 527 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,480 pilot or shatter the metal, they're irrelevant because the space 528 00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:33,640 itself is being warped. 529 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: And here's where the theory provides that profound aha moment 530 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,480 that connects directly back to the evidence. This theory provides 531 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,720 a crucial explanation for why UAP photos and videos often 532 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:49,200 look ridiculously fuzzy or distorted or out of focus. 533 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: That is always the main argument skeptics deploy right that 534 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,799 if the craft is so advanced, why are the photos 535 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:55,799 always so terrible? 536 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: But if the craft is inside this dynamically shifting space 537 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:03,119 time distortion bubble, the light rays reflecting off the object 538 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,680 and heading toward the camera lens must pass through this 539 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,440 active space time barrier. 540 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: So the camera is trying to capture an object through 541 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,920 an environment that is constantly warping reality. 542 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,039 Speaker 2: It's like trying to take a picture of a penny 543 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,680 at the bottom of a rippling swimming pool. The distortion 544 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:17,680 is the signal. 545 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,279 Speaker 1: So the poor quality of the visual evidence is not 546 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,400 necessarily evidence of fraud or misidentification or a cheap camera. 547 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,519 Speaker 2: It is potentially evidence of the exotic physics at play 548 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,200 that elevates the conversation entirely from terrestrial reconnaissance to a 549 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,559 true engagement with unknown physics. So this physical reality driven 550 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:43,920 by exotic physics and generating genuine biological hazards. It brings 551 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,559 us to the most sensitive claim of all the afflcupants 552 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,880 the occupants the alleged existence and recovery of non human intelligence, 553 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,640 and not just one type. 554 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,079 Speaker 1: This is where we move from advanced machinery to advanced biology. 555 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,839 According to quantum physicist doctor Howe put Off, the officials 556 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,559 in these crash retrieval programs have confirmed that they have 557 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,200 discovered bodies of more than one type of non human species, 558 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,880 more than one. 559 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: The sources indicate that intelligence officials have been briefed on 560 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,079 a number of different species having been observed throughout the 561 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,160 eighty years of retrieval history, and. 562 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,319 Speaker 1: Crucially, the bodies recovered are not all the same type, not. 563 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: All the same. This implies ongoing independent visits from multiple 564 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,440 civilizations or entities, or perhaps you know, different evolutionary stages 565 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,279 of the same entity. We just don't know. 566 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:31,039 Speaker 1: This complexity is reinforced by doctor Eric Davis, another key 567 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,160 scientific advisor to the program. He states he is aware 568 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,160 of at least two distinct advanced non human species. 569 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: And he draws a really vital distinction between the two, 570 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,759 which is one species whose bodies were recovered via various crashes. 571 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,720 This suggests technical failure or maybe accidental interaction with. 572 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: Our environment, the ones they found in wreckage, right. 573 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: But then there's another completely separate species that actually made contact. 574 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: Mid contact, meaning they chose to engage with the legacy 575 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,599 crash retrieval program deliberately. 576 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: The difference between crashing and making contact is enormous. 577 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,799 Speaker 1: Of course, it's just a major difference in intent, in 578 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,400 technological stability, or maybe even in their ethical approach. Between 579 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,599 the visitors. One is an accidental presence, the other is 580 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,240 a deliberate diplomatic or observational engagement, and. 581 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,319 Speaker 2: The claim of deliberate contact is grounded in a specific, 582 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:28,160 highly detailed, historical anecdote that allegedly involved a US president. 583 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: This is the George HW. Bush story. 584 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: It is Doctor Eric Davis claimed that during a private 585 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:38,079 conversation in two thousand and three with former President George HW. Bush, 586 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:42,359 Bush shared details of a remarkable event from nineteen. 587 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,079 Speaker 1: Sixty four, and this event took place at Holloman Air 588 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,079 Force Base, another key location in the defense infrastructure. 589 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,759 Speaker 2: According to Bush, the incident involved three UAPs approaching the base, 590 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,160 one of which actually landed landed. 591 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,279 Speaker 1: This wasn't a fly by, It was a physical arrival 592 00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,359 on a secure American military installation. 593 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: A controlled landing. And here is the core just breathtaking 594 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,759 revelation from that story. A non human entity deboarded the 595 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:07,599 landed craft. 596 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,079 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 597 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: And it interacted directly with uniformed Air Force and civilian 598 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:12,440 CIA personnel. 599 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,319 Speaker 1: So this is a claim of a documented physical, high 600 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,759 level interaction involving multiple agencies on a US military base 601 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:19,799 in nineteen sixty four. 602 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: It moves far beyond just retrieving crash debris and bodies. 603 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,960 This is just a known conscious interaction event that required 604 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,920 operational management by both the military and the CIA that 605 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,839 designated headquarters element of the Legacy Program. 606 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,039 Speaker 1: What was the outcome of that conversation? Did Davis get 607 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,359 any details on what was exchanged or the terms of 608 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:36,920 the interaction? 609 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, when Davis press President Bush for more details about 610 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,960 the outcome of this interaction, about what was learned or 611 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,000 agreed upon, the former president's alleged response just echoed that 612 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,480 administrative secrecy we dissected earlier. Well, me guess he was 613 00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:53,640 simply told he did not have a need to know. 614 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: Need to know that one phrase spoken by a former 615 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,279 commander in chief about an event he was aware thereof 616 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,119 pritically encapsulates the entire architecture of the secret. 617 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,519 Speaker 2: It does even someone who held the highest office in 618 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,880 the land is allegedly still bound by the rigid classification 619 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,519 structure of the Legacy Program. 620 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,559 Speaker 1: It confirms that the classification structure, allegedly leveraging the Atomic 621 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,240 Energy Act and the dioe's power, is truly durable. It's 622 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,720 designed to protect the information from public view regardless of 623 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,559 who is in office. 624 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,759 Speaker 2: The secrets belong to the custodians of the Legacy program 625 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:30,240 not necessarily to the elected government, and that notion, if 626 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,079 it's true, profoundly changes how we view American governance. Over 627 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:35,319 the last eighty years. 628 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: We have journeyed through some truly astonishing territory. Today on 629 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,440 thrilling threads, we started with the sheer, massive scale of 630 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,440 these UAPs, objects the size of super walmarts in football fields, 631 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:51,000 violating our air sovereignty and rendering our military defense's impotent 632 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:52,279 since the nineteen forties. 633 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:56,559 Speaker 2: We then pulled apart the machinery of suppression, the professional stigma, 634 00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,880 the alleged funded smear campaigns against officials who tried to 635 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,759 s speak up, and the bizarre, shocking ideological resistance within 636 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,319 the Pentagon, where rational scientific inquiry was allegedly met with 637 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,680 warnings about demons and Satan's world. 638 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,799 Speaker 1: We explored the covert infrastructure required to maintain this eighty 639 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,720 year secret, discovering the alleged existence of the highly compartmentalized 640 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:24,079 Legacy program, operating outside congressional oversight and protected most critically 641 00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,400 by leveraging the deep classification system derived from the Atomic 642 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:28,960 Energy Act of nineteen forty. 643 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,319 Speaker 2: Six, and that mechanism turned the secret into a permanent, 644 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:33,160 non political fixture, And. 645 00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: Finally we discussed the physical reality, the sobering biological consequences 646 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,680 for investigators who suffered scarring inside their bodies and brains 647 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,079 from proximity to the phenomena, and. 648 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,839 Speaker 2: The exotic physics, the spacetime distortion bubble theory required to 649 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,640 explain the impossible maneuvers, suggesting that even a fuzzy photo 650 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000 can be physical evidence of a warped reality. And the 651 00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:00,799 capstone the claims of multiple diverse non human species culminating 652 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,599 in that alleged high level deliberate contact event at Holloman 653 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,720 Air Force Base in nineteen sixty four. 654 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: You know, this whole deep dive shows how critical thinking 655 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,719 and a demanding focus on objective data are absolutely essential 656 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,280 when the information you receive has allegedly been filtered, manipulated, 657 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,480 and buried under decades of official secrecy, ridicule, and ideological geitkeeping. 658 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,559 Speaker 2: What stands out most to me is that they didn't 659 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,880 just hide a piece of technology. They use the most 660 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,559 stringent legal mechanism available, one designed for atomic weapons to 661 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:29,960 hide a. 662 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: Reality, right, the use of the Atomic Energy Act. 663 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,559 Speaker 2: The use of that Act suggests that the material they 664 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,639 recovered is viewed as being equally as disruptive and dangerous 665 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:41,159 to global stability as atomic weapons themselves. It requires the 666 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,480 same level of legal and operational isolation. 667 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: So we want to leave you with this final provocative thought. 668 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,880 If former government officials are willing to deploy professional destruction, 669 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:56,760 fund popular culture for disinformation, leverage religious stigma, and use 670 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,280 the deepest classification layer available the Atomic Energy Act to 671 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,360 obscure objects the size of a commercial building, what does 672 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,519 this level of organized, decades long secrecy imply about the 673 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:13,480 true power dynamics between the unelected custodians of the secret 674 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,320 and the public they supposedly serve. 675 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: And what is your threshold for evidence when the official 676 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,719 gatekeepers themselves, the former intelligence officers, are the ones claiming 677 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,679 the truth is being deliberately hidden from you. 678 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: We really want to hear your theories, your wild guesses, 679 00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,559 or even your skepticisms. If the facts we discussed today 680 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:33,039 coming directly from former intelligence officials are true, how does 681 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:36,400 that fundamentally change your perspective on history, science, and your 682 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,440 place in the universe. 683 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 2: Drop your thoughts in the comments below. 684 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: We'll be back soon with another thrilling deep dive on 685 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:43,480 thrilling threads