Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Costin's Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, we spent last hour talking about the plea deal
Speaker 2: that has been caught by Brian Coburger in the Idaho
Speaker 2: student quadruple murder case from November of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: and I think it's something the judge out there has
Speaker 2: the ability to reject and should reject. Now again, we
Speaker 2: heard from Laurie in Idaho. We do have a couple
Speaker 2: of listeners in Idaho and if anyone's out there it
Speaker 2: wants to weigh in on it, speak now forever. Hold
Speaker 2: your piece. I have one caller who has hungover. I'm
Speaker 2: going to get to her in a moment. I'm just
Speaker 2: going to reset it here and if you want to
Speaker 2: keep it going, great, If not, we're going to move
Speaker 2: on this thirty year old now thirty year old Brian
Speaker 2: Coburger apparently is now pleading guilty to the stabbing and
Speaker 2: murder of four University of Idaho students, Madison Mogan, xon
Speaker 2: A Kremodal cre Noodle, excuse me, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Gonzalvis.
Speaker 2: He's accepted the plea deal in exchange for his murder.
Speaker 2: His guilty plea. He'll get life in prison without the
Speaker 2: possibility at parole. He'll be sentenced supposedly to four consecutive
Speaker 2: life sentences. I don't think that's adequate. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I think that the judge should reject this and make
Speaker 2: it go to trial. I think that's they have a
Speaker 2: death penalty on the books in Idaho. That's what this
Speaker 2: guy's afraid of. There's no guarantee that some crazy governor
Speaker 2: in Idaho ten twenty thirty, forty fifty years from now
Speaker 2: might not let this guy out. Because what happens is
Speaker 2: time heals all wounds and families break up, families move away,
Speaker 2: the victims. There's no one left to speak for the victims.
Speaker 2: These individuals were murdered as they slept at four four
Speaker 2: point thirty in the morning on a Sunday morning. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever been woken up suddenly
Speaker 2: at night in your home. You know, maybe it's a
Speaker 2: thunderstorm outside, or I don't know, something goes on. You
Speaker 2: really don't know what's going on. It takes you a
Speaker 2: little while to get your bearings. So this guy kills
Speaker 2: these four people. No mercy for them, no mercy for
Speaker 2: their age, mercy for their status, kills them, and he's
Speaker 2: now going to walk away guaranteed three square meals a day,
Speaker 2: a bed to sleep in every night. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that I would want that, and I don't suspect most
Speaker 2: of you would want that, But it's a pretty sweet
Speaker 2: deal for this guy when you think about it. He'll
Speaker 2: be able to interact with other people. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: they'll give him psychological counseling. I'm sure that he'll eventually
Speaker 2: earn some of the privileges in uh in prison, be
Speaker 2: able to exercise in the sunshine, maybe correspond with people.
Speaker 2: You know, he's going to find Jesus in person, because
Speaker 2: everybody finds Jesus in prison. He'll have a Bible study group,
Speaker 2: he'll teach English as a second language, and he'll become
Speaker 2: a new person. But the people who he killed will
Speaker 2: still be dead, and their lives, the people that they
Speaker 2: might have married, the children that they might have produced,
Speaker 2: will never live. So he kills more than just four
Speaker 2: young people. He kills their lives and what those lives
Speaker 2: might have forgotten. Six six, seven, nine, ten thirty. The
Speaker 2: judge in this case, we're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to influence that judge would have the right to reject
Speaker 2: this plea deal. Let's hope that he does. But in
Speaker 2: the meantime, let me go to Doreen in Chelsea. Dorian,
Speaker 2: one of my regular calls, Hi, Dorean, welcome back. How
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 3: How are you doing?
Speaker 2: Dan doing great? I think I know what you're going
Speaker 2: to say on this one, but let's hear it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I am how I am. Massachusetts is
Speaker 3: a very liberal state. I'm all for capital punishment from
Speaker 3: the beginning. Yep, I'm sorry, that's how I think.
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing wrong with that. And if there was
Speaker 2: ever a case which would be easy to support, this
Speaker 2: would be it. I mean, I don't understand the people
Speaker 2: who will say, well he doesn't that's that's not what
Speaker 2: he deserves. You just heard Bishop Wright, who's a member
Speaker 2: of the clergy. He's a bishop. He agrees with us
Speaker 2: on this. This guy shouldn't be breathing the same here.
Speaker 3: Yes, and there's another case too. I want you to
Speaker 3: bring up in the futures about those three firemen the
Speaker 3: guy set Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well right, well, two of them are dead, one
Speaker 2: is in I think critical condition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear them see, I always watch the news,
Speaker 3: which might be a bad thing, but I like to
Speaker 3: be in farm that's going on.
Speaker 2: That was Sunday. That was Sunday. I mean that was
Speaker 2: about four thirty our time. I was watching I think
Speaker 2: the Red Sox game. And these four firefighters they scramble
Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon to go fight a forest fire
Speaker 2: which they don't know has been set, and when they
Speaker 2: get there, they're shot by a twenty.
Speaker 1: Year old, Right, a twenty year old, that's right?
Speaker 2: How can you be now? How can you get so
Speaker 2: screwed up at twenty? Did your ideas I'll set a
Speaker 2: fire and the firefighters will come and I'll shoot and
Speaker 2: kill a couple of them.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to repeat myself again. They shouldn't be delivered.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't be able to live, not even in prison.
Speaker 3: Just get rid of them.
Speaker 2: Well, you know this guy, the kid that shot and
Speaker 2: killed the firefighter's twenty year old, he apparently killed himself,
Speaker 2: so he saved the state.
Speaker 3: Of life, that's right. Well they found the rifle again
Speaker 3: beside him or something like that.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, at least he had the decency to take him.
Speaker 2: This this guy Coburger, he thought he was swart enough
Speaker 2: and he was going to be able to get away
Speaker 2: with it. I heard someone, yes the last hour, that
Speaker 2: he brought like a dustbuster with him. He was going
Speaker 2: to clean up to make sure there were no fibers,
Speaker 2: no hears left at the crime scene. He thought he
Speaker 2: was swater than everybody, and he almost right.
Speaker 3: So what do you call that? Manslaught and tension to kill?
Speaker 2: No, that's murder. That's murder, murder in the first degree,
Speaker 2: up close and personal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So what's pre meta murder?
Speaker 4: Again?
Speaker 2: Premeditated murder is basically, you can you can form a
Speaker 2: judgment and a decision premed it A lot of people
Speaker 2: think premeditated murders you gotta sit down, you got to
Speaker 2: plant it out, you got to figure out when you're
Speaker 2: going to do it, how you're going to do it.
Speaker 2: That can be premeditated murder. But you're able to formulate,
Speaker 2: according to the law, what it's called P and D
Speaker 2: premeditation and deliberation in a matter of a couple of seconds.
Speaker 2: You know, if all of a sudden, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: me and slaughter is when uh, you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of guys get in a fight and one guy hits
Speaker 2: a guy with a lucky punch and he hits his
Speaker 2: head on a cement step and he dies. There was
Speaker 2: no intention for that guy. The guy threw a punch.
Speaker 2: It was dangerous. He shouldn't be throwing a punch. But
Speaker 2: first agreement, this kid was looking at first degree murder
Speaker 2: capital offense, first degree murder in Idaho, death penalty. And
Speaker 2: four he's the he's this is for not this is
Speaker 2: one to three, this is four.
Speaker 3: No way that he should now another thing to another case.
Speaker 3: That's hi profile out there. Okay, is that Kylie? You
Speaker 3: know that little Kylie that's kidnapped and killed by the father.
Speaker 2: In Idaho.
Speaker 3: No, it was on the TV. No right from there
Speaker 3: New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's that's a little girl named Harmony.
Speaker 3: Harmony.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, well he's sorry. Yeah, he's been convicted
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire. So yeah, I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: to go through them all, but I think you make
Speaker 2: some really interesting points. And again there are some just
Speaker 2: some sick people who do not deserve our money. Should
Speaker 2: not be spent on keeping this guy alive. That's all
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It could be spent in a lot, that's right. Anyways,
Speaker 2: you got it, Dorian, Thanks very much. You'll lit the
Speaker 2: phones up for us here doing good job. Thank you
Speaker 2: all right, have a great night. Six thirty. That's the
Speaker 2: only line open. Uh, we are gonna go next to
Speaker 2: nobody's waiting long. We got Lillian Walpole, Lauren and Plymouth
Speaker 2: John in New York and one that will get that
Speaker 2: name and the only one line six one, seven thirty dial.
Speaker 2: Now get through and we'll have you on coming back
Speaker 2: on Nightside.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Back to the phones we go. We're talking about the
Speaker 2: Brian Kolberger quadruple murder case in Idaho. He has been able,
Speaker 2: or I should say, the prosecutors were willing to accept
Speaker 2: a guilty plea of four murders and he will avoid
Speaker 2: the death penalty. Lily in Walpole, Hi, Lily, how are
Speaker 2: you hey?
Speaker 5: Good again?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 5: Ton't I do great?
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling in excellent listen.
Speaker 5: I'm clong. My son was it when he's going to
Speaker 5: Emmanuel stamped four times and bring them shortly, and they
Speaker 5: caught the brothers that did it, but none of them
Speaker 5: did time. Because my son didn't want me to go
Speaker 5: on court and have to listen to what happened.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I can understand he wants to protect you,
Speaker 2: but you didn't have to go to that one, right,
Speaker 2: I mean he would have had to have testified. I assume.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so he chose.
Speaker 2: He chose not to testify, and.
Speaker 5: Did they want I have no idea two and some
Speaker 5: kinds time in jail.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I really don't know really what happened. Really, I can't
Speaker 5: get anoganizen.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, how is your son doing?
Speaker 5: He's doing the way things?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 2: How long ago was the son the victim of this assault?
Speaker 5: Man? It was a tant and I think it was
Speaker 5: he's going on manual his I think it was like
Speaker 5: nineteen twenty nineteen. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not going now.
Speaker 2: That's okay, So that's six years ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, fine, So I assume he's graduated from college
Speaker 5: at this point. Yeah, he's all his work and he's
Speaker 5: joined great front people.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, are on family radio here. You could say
Speaker 2: you could say something like I would, I'd be very upset.
Speaker 2: I'd be very angry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't scratch my.
Speaker 2: Night, good night, Lily, thank you for your call. I'd
Speaker 2: say hello to your son for us. Okay, congratulations that
Speaker 2: he has survived. Lauren is in Plymouth. Hi, Lauren, how
Speaker 2: are you doing. Hi? Dan is back in town.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 7: So I'm driving and I'm on the Highway of US again.
Speaker 7: I think firing squad would be wonderful and they should
Speaker 7: put it on live television.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They could maybe make paid TV out of it
Speaker 2: and give the money to the families of the victims.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think it's disgusting. I believe in crimes
Speaker 7: and passion, like as far as like you know, lesser
Speaker 7: murder charges for you know, crimes and passion.
Speaker 6: I do believe those.
Speaker 3: Again, there are there are cold blooded.
Speaker 7: Cold blooded, disgusting killers. Need to go immediately.
Speaker 2: This guy, this guy plea, he figured this out. You
Speaker 2: got to turn that radio down. You're going to be confused,
Speaker 2: radio Lauren, thank you turned the radio down. Are you
Speaker 2: you hear me? I can hear fine?
Speaker 3: Sorry, can you hear me?
Speaker 7: My thirteen year olds? My thirteen year old in the car,
Speaker 7: She can't believe I'm on the radio.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you are on the radio. But she's got
Speaker 2: to listen. She can listen to the whole thing tomorrow.
Speaker 2: She goes to nightside and demand she can listen to.
Speaker 7: Our inte Will I tell her about you all the time?
Speaker 7: She's into politics?
Speaker 2: Oh really? Okay, well some nights you someday maybe she'll
Speaker 2: be doing what I do, and that is a talk show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have.
Speaker 7: We talked all about We talk about everything going on
Speaker 7: in the world all all the uh, you know, things
Speaker 7: happening all over the globe, not just the country. And
Speaker 7: it's a very Yeah, we're in a very sad state
Speaker 7: right now, I think, but I also think there's a
Speaker 7: lot of good things happening as well.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you're right, and unfortunately the good things don't get
Speaker 2: the publicity that the bad things, Yeah, which is understandable,
Speaker 2: but it's still regrettable.
Speaker 6: She's good.
Speaker 7: He's going to school to be a you know, to
Speaker 7: save animals, you know, and I think that that's one
Speaker 7: of the best things you can do, you think, saving people,
Speaker 7: you know, saving animals, doing something for the you know, ecosystems,
Speaker 7: you know something that to save the earth, you know,
Speaker 7: jobs like that, those are the careers that are needed
Speaker 7: right now. We need to really pay attention to this planet.
Speaker 7: And these people walking on the planet are sitting in
Speaker 7: these jails who commit these disgusting crimes, they need to
Speaker 7: be extinguished. No, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that on cases like this. This
Speaker 2: guy planned this assault, he circled around that night, his
Speaker 2: car was seen on videotape. There's no question about who
Speaker 2: it is. There, there's no scintilla of doubt now that
Speaker 2: he has confessed to it. In my opinion, some will say, well,
Speaker 2: maybe he confessed to it to avoid the death penalty.
Speaker 7: I gotta tell you, this guy, they even put that
Speaker 7: on the table.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's apparently the defense lawyers said to
Speaker 2: the prosecutors, offer us a deal. Most prosecutors, real good
Speaker 2: professional prosecutors, would say, no, I'm going to I'm going
Speaker 2: to get this. I'm going to convict news. Come on
Speaker 2: the other thing you're angry.
Speaker 7: About, go ahead, Sorry, sorry, sorry, That Boston bomber, that kid,
Speaker 7: I can't believe he's still breathing.
Speaker 2: Almost twenty years later.
Speaker 6: It's going to get pretty I mean, unbelievable.
Speaker 7: We need to start really you know, up and things
Speaker 7: up and start really uh you know, getting rid of
Speaker 7: all the bad stuff and start really focusing on the good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well it was he was twenty and thirteen,
Speaker 2: so it's not twenty years, but it's over ten. It's
Speaker 2: now thirteen, so he's in his fourteenth year of his
Speaker 2: of his miserable existence.
Speaker 7: I have no sympathies, no sympti and whatsoever, not not
Speaker 7: not even and drop.
Speaker 2: Lord, keep calling this program. How are you doing? By
Speaker 2: the way, are you are you still working?
Speaker 1: Smoking?
Speaker 7: I quit smoking.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. And you know what, do it
Speaker 2: for your daughter.
Speaker 6: Do it for my daughter and I are on the
Speaker 6: road right now.
Speaker 7: I did it for my daughter.
Speaker 2: You bet you.
Speaker 7: She made three She made three hundred dollars. So lemon
Speaker 7: need today.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not bad summertime.
Speaker 3: That's a good one.
Speaker 6: Cash business right next right next door to.
Speaker 2: Me, thea cash business. All right, Lord, keep hanging in there,
Speaker 2: talk to you soon.
Speaker 6: Thanks, all right, all right, ran, good night.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're trying to call all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: we got a few open lines six one seven, so
Speaker 2: a couple six one seven, two five four ten thirty
Speaker 2: six pot seven nine three one ten thirty. Uh, this
Speaker 2: has been a great night, interesting night last night as well.
Speaker 2: We've had more women callers. Uh, in the last two nights.
Speaker 2: It's almost been fifty to fifty, which for me is perfect.
Speaker 2: H I always enjoy fifty percent women fifty percent men
Speaker 2: because we get all sorts of perspectives. Feel free. If
Speaker 2: you've never called before, become a first time caller. Right
Speaker 2: now at six one, seven, two, five, four to ten
Speaker 2: thirty or six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We are talking about what was three years ago. I
Speaker 2: mean three years ago. These students were alive. They probably
Speaker 2: were just started or about to start their college education,
Speaker 2: or maybe they were high school seniors. They went to
Speaker 2: the University of Idaho and Moscow, Idaho. Four of them
Speaker 2: were killed in one night, early in the morning, four
Speaker 2: thirty in the morning, by this guy, Brian Coberger. He
Speaker 2: was a graduate student. He's now thirty, so he was
Speaker 2: in his uh. He was twenty seven at the time
Speaker 2: of the murders. He plotted this out, He planned it.
Speaker 2: He was fascinated with people who committed crimes like this
Speaker 2: and how people could commit crimes and not be caught.
Speaker 2: That was his goal here was to commit a heinous
Speaker 2: crime and not be caught. Well, he committed four ainus crimes.
Speaker 2: He killed four young people, stole their lives, stole their future,
Speaker 2: from them, stole by the way, not only their lives
Speaker 2: and their future, but the future of the children that
Speaker 2: they might have had. Each of them could have turned
Speaker 2: around and gotten married and had a family. Their parents
Speaker 2: would have had grandchildren through with them, through them. It's so,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's the deaths of the four young people.
Speaker 2: It's the it's the the personal murder. He literally climbed
Speaker 2: on the bed while they were asleep. And again, if
Speaker 2: you can imagine one, it's like when remember when you
Speaker 2: wake up in the middle of the night you hear
Speaker 2: a noise. You don't even hear the noise. Unconsciously, your
Speaker 2: windows open and it gets cold and you wake up.
Speaker 2: Your where am I? What's going on? You're out of
Speaker 2: a deep, dead sleep. That's where these people were. Now,
Speaker 2: they may have been drinking, that may have contributed to it.
Speaker 2: But he goes into the rooms and he kills four
Speaker 2: the fourth and he thought he was going to get
Speaker 2: away with it. Well he didn't. But now he's been
Speaker 2: given the biggest break of his life. The prosecutor said,
Speaker 2: you plead guilty, We'll take the death penalty away. That
Speaker 2: prosecute isn't isn't worth Uh? The word prosecutor at the
Speaker 2: end of his name. He didn't prosecute the case. This
Speaker 2: was the case that should have been an easy case
Speaker 2: to prosecute.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Why let this guy off the hook? I don't know. Six.
Speaker 2: Feel free to join the conversation. We will talk a
Speaker 2: little bit later on tonight about tonight about the big
Speaker 2: beautiful bill that President Trump has been trumpeting. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure this big beautiful bill's gonna make it. I will
Speaker 2: explain that later on. Stay with us. My name is
Speaker 2: Dan Ray. We'll be back on nights side right after this.
Speaker 1: It's Night's Eide with Drays Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, back to the phones we go. Going to go
Speaker 2: next to John in New York, Ky. John, welcome back.
Speaker 2: How are you sir? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Hello, Dan, good evening. How you doing.
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 8: Dan, I'd like to know about this business for this case.
Speaker 8: So where where was this judge at This judge has authority,
Speaker 8: you know, I've been on journey duty. When a judge
Speaker 8: sees something going on that shouldn't be, he kicks people out.
Speaker 3: Of the courtroom.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what judges do.
Speaker 8: These prosecutors that have been kicked out of the courtroom
Speaker 8: and fired. Well, being a new group of people in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the judge has the authority to
Speaker 2: do that. John, I think that that that obviously the
Speaker 2: the defense team, according to the prosecutors, if you believe them,
Speaker 2: approached them and said, give us a plea deal. If
Speaker 2: I was the prosecutor and say, what plead deal you
Speaker 2: talking about? Let's say plea deal? This is the case. Uh,
Speaker 2: this is a slam dunk. Why do we need to
Speaker 2: give you a plea deal?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, It's like, I don't understand what this is about.
Speaker 8: It's weird.
Speaker 2: Well it almost you wonder if it might be an
Speaker 2: embarrassment to the state of Idaho. We had Laurie on
Speaker 2: last hour. Could it be that there are powers that
Speaker 2: be who are saying, look, we just had you know,
Speaker 2: two firefighters killed last weekend who were responding to a
Speaker 2: fire that some nutjob set a twenty year old kid.
Speaker 2: He's now dead but apparently killed himself. But then you
Speaker 2: get this case hanging in the background. Maybe maybe the
Speaker 2: people who are in charge in Idaho are saying, let's
Speaker 2: get rid of this case. Let's just move it. Let's
Speaker 2: take his plea, put him away for life for life
Speaker 2: sentences consecutive life sentences. In theory, he won't get out.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what some governor's going to do
Speaker 2: thirty years from now in Idaho, do you wow?
Speaker 8: You know, No, I don't. But the thing is something
Speaker 8: in this case, they should allow members of the victims
Speaker 8: family to be on the firing squad and shoot this guy,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, that's assuming they want to, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess they have just reinstituted the firing squad, which
Speaker 2: is fine, but hey, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I'm sure there'd be some members that might be angry
Speaker 8: enough that might do It's all people involved. Oh yeah,
Speaker 8: go on, it's got to be at least two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm told. By the way, I got a text
Speaker 2: here from Laurie that says a little wrinkled. They play
Speaker 2: a game out here. Same in Montana, where a sitting
Speaker 2: judge will retire midterm. At that time, the governor appoints
Speaker 2: a replacement for the remainder of the term. He or
Speaker 2: she then has to run for election every four or
Speaker 2: six years in a nonpartisan contest. So maybe voters might
Speaker 2: have influence. Okay, so okay, that's kind of it. Here
Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts, New York as well. I think judges
Speaker 2: are all appointed by the governor of New York.
Speaker 8: Correct, I'm not sure on that, you know that. I
Speaker 8: don't remember, but I showed the Massachusets I should look
Speaker 8: into it.
Speaker 2: Well, in Massachusetts, the governor's appoint judges district quot and
Speaker 2: the governor's appoint clerks in some state clerks. In some
Speaker 2: states clerks get elected. It's it's all depending on what
Speaker 2: your state wants to do. So you'd go for the
Speaker 2: death battle, you'd go for the death penalty here, John.
Speaker 8: Right, of course you would.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I'm with you know.
Speaker 8: One other thing quick before I run on about the
Speaker 8: thanks to to Dan Ray. Uh with the Facebook. You
Speaker 8: know the show you do before and after the program,
Speaker 8: the pregame as you recall, as you recall, I met
Speaker 8: the young lady on on Facebook. Yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 8: and it's still going on along and she's getting the
Speaker 8: passport ready soon and uh, we're going to meet one
Speaker 8: another very soon. It looks like in the future.
Speaker 2: Well, John, if it works out, invite me to the wedding.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm thinking. You know what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 8: You know what if it's a wedding it's just going
Speaker 8: to be a small little thing, right like at dinner. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and maybe we'll have it in Boston and you can
Speaker 8: be invited with your wife and you don't have to
Speaker 8: go that far.
Speaker 2: That would be That's that I'd be happy to do that.
Speaker 2: We could, we could.
Speaker 8: Help me and rage Boston, Boston. You got the harbor.
Speaker 8: You could have a honeymoon there. You know it's in
Speaker 8: a nice hotel.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a great hotel, right, great hotel.
Speaker 4: The whole thing the whales.
Speaker 8: Did you ever see the wheals?
Speaker 2: Have I gone to see whale watchers? Whale watching? But
Speaker 2: I'm told, I'm told it's a great event, a great
Speaker 2: event me too. You know how old? I mean, how
Speaker 2: old is this is? This? Have you formalized this? John?
Speaker 2: Are you engaged yet or no?
Speaker 8: No? No, I have a ring though.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you, John, Well, you have
Speaker 2: any idea how old this young lady is?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I told you the last time. You just you know,
Speaker 8: you kind of you dwell the moment. Let's say, throw baby, Well.
Speaker 2: How old is she?
Speaker 8: Thirty?
Speaker 2: She's thirty and you're older than she.
Speaker 8: I assume oh seventhy Okay, Well I would just doesn't care.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes John, look, do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: But remember, as as your mother once told you, sometimes
Speaker 2: when something looks too good to be true, it can
Speaker 2: be to be true. That's all I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 2: want you to get You know, maybe this is the
Speaker 2: love of your life, and I would be delighted if
Speaker 2: you were brought together through Nightside. I'm serious when I
Speaker 2: say that. I'm totally serious.
Speaker 8: I know, I know. It's like you know, we'll see
Speaker 8: how it goes.
Speaker 2: It's faded, it's whatever you want to call it. It's karma. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you for.
Speaker 8: Your combination advice and warning. Let's call it.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: Look, if if I consider people who call my show
Speaker 2: as friends, and you know, that's a I mean, look,
Speaker 2: she may be wonderful, and I hope she can't remember.
Speaker 8: You had that program just about a week or two
Speaker 8: before I met her about you had people calling in
Speaker 8: that were older than their wife. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Okay, you had guys that were like thirty and forty
Speaker 8: years older than their wife that were calling you and
Speaker 8: telling you about it. Do you recall that, yes.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: We might have been talking about Bill Belichick. That might
Speaker 2: have been what prompted that normally is something that prompts us. Look,
Speaker 2: I have friends who have had younger wives. I'm not
Speaker 2: knocking that. I'm just saying that, just you know, don't
Speaker 2: rush into anything and use your best judgment and that's all.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's a possibility I might
Speaker 8: just end up being a sugar daddy, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't want to be that, trust me, No
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, of course not. Yeah, well isn't it yeah,
Speaker 8: I will.
Speaker 2: Oh, it is very it is very costly, and it
Speaker 2: could be very costly. So yeah, just you know, Joe,
Speaker 2: what do you do for a living out there? You
Speaker 2: told me once before you work? I think in.
Speaker 8: General general Letri and Schenectady.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, I was gonna say, I plant.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, it's the it's the plant where we built
Speaker 8: the big power generators that light the cities.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. That's beautiful.
Speaker 8: Oh it is. Oh yeah, they're big.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you have a soul on them.
Speaker 8: But what we built, it goes into power plants and
Speaker 8: sometimes nuclear runs it and sometimes you know, uh, the
Speaker 8: steam with the turbine, you know, burning gas and know
Speaker 8: all all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, we just I just want to tell you that
Speaker 2: we have had listeners in the Philippines before. Okay, so
Speaker 2: maybe someone told this woman about it. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but you know, just just use your best judgment. That's all.
Speaker 8: You get calls. You get people that call you from there.
Speaker 2: I had a fellow who used to call quite often
Speaker 2: from there. He was an American who had settled in
Speaker 2: the Philippines's name was Eugene.
Speaker 8: Oh okay, he was listening to your program online then,
Speaker 8: all right, of course, of course, yeah, yeah, Well I
Speaker 8: can listen to my car on on the on the
Speaker 8: on the groundway but night. You know a lot of
Speaker 8: times you can pick it up.
Speaker 2: In a car. It's what we call terrestual radio. And
Speaker 2: then you also can pull down the new and improved
Speaker 2: WB rather the iHeart app. You could make us your
Speaker 2: first free set on your.
Speaker 8: What's in my phone right now that I'm talking on
Speaker 8: you with you know what I mean that I'm listening
Speaker 8: to a program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you pull the app down, there's a
Speaker 2: red button with a white microphone. You make us your
Speaker 2: first preset and you can just press that button and
Speaker 2: you can leave us messages thirty second messages and when
Speaker 2: we do, Rob Robel play them. Rob. If you find
Speaker 2: some messages tonight, make sure you let me know and
Speaker 2: we'll play one of them for John.
Speaker 8: Okay, Oh really, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's just it's just another little feature. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of stuff. Hey, John, we've
Speaker 2: gone really long here. I gotta get I gotta break here.
Speaker 8: And I understand I talk. Thank you, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 8: I have a good night, Dan, Okay, you too much.
Speaker 2: Good night. All right, all right, let's uh take a
Speaker 2: quick break here on Nightside. Uh the only lines open
Speaker 2: are six one seven, coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the Phone's gonna go to John
Speaker 2: in debt Ham. You're correct, Rob, John and Debdham go ahead, John.
Speaker 4: Hey Dan, I think you hit it on ahead a
Speaker 4: couple of times. I'm sure you research people can look
Speaker 4: this up. Try to remember where this guy was on
Speaker 4: death Row. And I know he was a letter throw
Speaker 4: a victim's impact Sam. He was laughing at the victims family.
Speaker 4: He's basically saying I got air conditioning, I got three
Speaker 4: meals a day, I got three capable and I get
Speaker 4: to exercise every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, it's like there's no accountability anymore. I know this
Speaker 4: is a political statement, but it's kind of related. You know,
Speaker 4: you talk, you look at the stuff that's going on
Speaker 4: to Biden administration. All the Democrats want to say, oh,
Speaker 4: we're looking forward. There has to be accountability. When is
Speaker 4: there accountability? And we saw how easy it was for
Speaker 4: somebody in the Biden administration to pardon all these people. So,
Speaker 4: like you said, twenty years from now, there's no family
Speaker 4: members around to fight it. Can a governor pardon a
Speaker 4: murder of sentence?
Speaker 2: Oh, you can have you can have medical parole. During COVID,
Speaker 2: for example, there were plenty of people who were sent
Speaker 2: home and there's sentences.
Speaker 4: I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're terminated, suspended or whatever, or they were turned
Speaker 2: into house arrest. Yeah. I mean there are circumstances, and
Speaker 2: circumstances change, and you look at crimes different and you know,
Speaker 2: the victims' families die and go away, and you know
Speaker 2: the parents of these kids are going to pass on,
Speaker 2: and maybe they're brothers and sisters if they have any,
Speaker 2: move to another part of the country and they don't
Speaker 2: want to be remembered as the siblings of a murder victim.
Speaker 2: So sad, but true, it changes, it changes, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't change for the better for society.
Speaker 4: So I talked how far we moved out from like
Speaker 4: nine to eleven, how angry we all were in nine
Speaker 4: to eleven. Now you know, it's almost like not even
Speaker 4: thought about anymore than when we lost three thousand people.
Speaker 4: And it's, like I said, it's like all it takes
Speaker 4: is didn't New Hampshire switch their laws and go for
Speaker 4: anybody who in death row is no longer in death
Speaker 4: row or something like that.
Speaker 2: No, I think that New Hampshire still has the death penalty.
Speaker 2: I stayed to be corrected on that. But there are
Speaker 2: states that well. In Massachusetts, they have changed life without parole.
Speaker 2: For example, they now say that if you were under
Speaker 2: the age of eighteen and committed a heinous crime for
Speaker 2: which you were given life without parole, that's unconstitutional because
Speaker 2: no one's mind is fully formed by the age of eighteen.
Speaker 2: So there's an example where a court comes in, So
Speaker 2: you have all of these these people, and again it's
Speaker 2: not a lot of them, but they committed horrific crimes.
Speaker 2: They have murder ie convictions, life without parole, and now
Speaker 2: they're parole eligible in fifteen years because some judges.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Massachusetts, somebody put up the marathon bout them before,
Speaker 9: and I was going to bring it up like this guy,
Speaker 9: I'm sure still gets to talk to his family on
Speaker 9: a regular basis, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 4: Anything, and you know better than I do. They say
Speaker 4: it's more expensive to put some of to death than
Speaker 4: to let him live his life in prison.
Speaker 2: By the way, I disagree. I disagree with that. If
Speaker 2: the marathon bomber was I think twenty when he went away,
Speaker 2: he's now more than thirty, he's thirty two. If he
Speaker 2: lives at actuarial tables till till he's eighty five, they're
Speaker 2: going to spend a heck of a lot more money
Speaker 2: than if they had expedited death. You know, you have
Speaker 2: lawyers just keep coming up with appeals. We're going to
Speaker 2: appeal this ineffective assistance and counsel. We're gonna appeel this issue.
Speaker 2: We're gonna appeal that. We're gonna appeal that. That's good
Speaker 2: to go back it's like it's an inexhaustible supply of
Speaker 2: appeals at some point. At some point, I think that
Speaker 2: when there's no question about someone's guilt, where there's no
Speaker 2: no doubt whatsoever, there's no scintilla of doubt, that's a
Speaker 2: standard that I would create, a no sintilla of doubt
Speaker 2: and aggravating circumstances like the marathon bombing. See you later, amigo.
Speaker 2: Your time is.
Speaker 4: Up, and I'll say one last thing is with extended appeals,
Speaker 4: as you just said, hire the extra judges, hire the
Speaker 4: extra government for government personnel. Twelve months. You have one
Speaker 4: year of appeals.
Speaker 2: Oh you could could you could make it. You could
Speaker 2: make it even you could make it much more liberal.
Speaker 2: You could say two, three, four years. But again depending
Speaker 2: upon the case. I mean, if if, if someone can
Speaker 2: has any potential to prove their innocence, they should not
Speaker 2: be killed by the state. But when there's no it
Speaker 2: isn't a question of, uh, we've convicted you beyond a
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. No, we know that you did this beyond
Speaker 2: a scintilla of doubt. You know I I know beyond
Speaker 2: the sintilla of doubt that the sun rose this morning
Speaker 2: in the east. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow
Speaker 2: in the but I can't prove that yet.
Speaker 4: I totally agree with it. I think if that prosecution
Speaker 4: takes that plea deal, he needs to fired immediately. Whatever
Speaker 4: they do to get him either.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine what these parents are going through.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine it all.
Speaker 2: John. I appreciate the call very much. We'll talk soon. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you much, have a great night. Let me go
Speaker 2: to Bill in Pennsylvania. Bill, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going good. Dan. How you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm fine. What's your take on this?
Speaker 6: Well? My take is what's worse for a prosecutor to
Speaker 6: take the death penalty off the table before the guy
Speaker 6: has trial is tried, or for president of the United
Speaker 6: States to pardon forty six out of forty nine death
Speaker 6: row inmates. And that is wait, okay, so you pardon
Speaker 6: forty forty six out of forty nine. What about the
Speaker 6: other three? I mean, yeah, the other the.
Speaker 2: Other three that they pardon. If I'm not mistaken, we're
Speaker 2: Dylan Ruth, the guy who killed the innocent black people
Speaker 2: at a church. Also the guy that I shot up
Speaker 2: the Tree of Life synagogue. In your estate near Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and the Boston bomber.
Speaker 6: So they say, I'm saying. Yeah, what I'm saying is
Speaker 6: and here in Pennsylvania, Dan our governor has put a
Speaker 6: moratorium on on death penalty here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, what I would only say to you, Bill
Speaker 2: is elections have consequences.
Speaker 6: And that's that's right, that's.
Speaker 2: What a governor can do. We we had the death
Speaker 2: penalty in Massachusetts as recently as the year two thousand
Speaker 2: and because of the vote of one legislator, the death
Speaker 2: penalty was was eliminated. So yeah, you know, elections have consequences.
Speaker 2: That's so sad. I mean, it's it's it's when we
Speaker 2: run our society, as simple as that, you know.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But if a Dan, if a guy, if a guy
Speaker 6: says I'm against the death penalty, okay, like like uh
Speaker 6: President Biden, Okay, hey, I'm against the death penalty. It's
Speaker 6: against my my uh you know, my morals or whatever.
Speaker 6: So he pardons he partns forty six, but he let's
Speaker 6: three on there. I mean, that doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 2: Well, it makes political sense because he didn't want to
Speaker 2: pardon again a racist in Dylan Ruth an anti semite
Speaker 2: in the guy a tree of life and uh uh
Speaker 2: the Boston barmber. Hey, Bill, I don't mean to cut
Speaker 2: you short. I want to get one more in before
Speaker 2: the break. I got it.
Speaker 6: Hey, Dan, did you did you hear what happened at
Speaker 6: the University of Penn today?
Speaker 2: Nope?
Speaker 6: Leah Thomas was stripped of all his her medals.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I didn't realize that. Okay, yeah, I'll look
Speaker 2: for that story tomorrow. There's a little bit of a
Speaker 2: news story. Thank you, Bill, help me go to Patrick
Speaker 2: and Charles town. Patrick going to get you anymby with
Speaker 2: the news.
Speaker 10: Go ahead, Patrick, here you doing Dan? Hey, listen that
Speaker 10: kind of interesting, sort of tangential take on this thing. Okay, obviously,
Speaker 10: I think you know if anybody deserves a death Pitlety
Speaker 10: is this guy. There was all the planning involved in
Speaker 10: all that, Yeah, absolutely all day long. But I had
Speaker 10: an interesting take. There's been something bothered me about this.
Speaker 4: And you know, Dan, you.
Speaker 10: Had this kid. Let me just hand me out for
Speaker 10: a minute. You have this kid. He has some type
Speaker 10: of disease. I don't know if it's Aspergers or whatever.
Speaker 10: He's a back kid in high school. He develops a
Speaker 10: believe it or not. A heroin problem. He he work,
Speaker 10: He drops out a community college. He gets himself somehow,
Speaker 10: gets himself back in shape, goes back to community college, graduates,
Speaker 10: gets a college degree, graduates, becomes a star student and
Speaker 10: a master's degree under one of the leading experts and
Speaker 10: criminology in the United States. Then him and this guy
Speaker 10: turned his life around. Man. He then gets set. He
Speaker 10: goes to Washington State. He finally is going to make
Speaker 10: his family proud.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 10: He gets there and he had an altercation with a
Speaker 10: professor in September twenty third of twenty twenty two. Within
Speaker 10: eight days, they had him called into a meeting. Within
Speaker 10: eighteen days after that, the professor wrote him up because
Speaker 10: they were going to put him on a performance a
Speaker 10: group of players.
Speaker 2: Patrick, here's what I got to do. I got Patrick,
Speaker 2: I have ten seconds left. I will hold you into
Speaker 2: the next hour. You can finish the story after the news.
Speaker 2: We got to break the break for the news. Patrick
Speaker 2: will finish the story. He's talking about Brian Colberger coming
Speaker 2: back on Night sid