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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Costin's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we spent last hour talking about the plea deal

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<v Speaker 2>that has been caught by Brian Coburger in the Idaho

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<v Speaker 2>student quadruple murder case from November of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's something the judge out there has

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to reject and should reject. Now again, we

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<v Speaker 2>heard from Laurie in Idaho. We do have a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of listeners in Idaho and if anyone's out there it

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<v Speaker 2>wants to weigh in on it, speak now forever. Hold

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<v Speaker 2>your piece. I have one caller who has hungover. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to her in a moment. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>going to reset it here and if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it going, great, If not, we're going to move

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<v Speaker 2>on this thirty year old now thirty year old Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Coburger apparently is now pleading guilty to the stabbing and

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<v Speaker 2>murder of four University of Idaho students, Madison Mogan, xon

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<v Speaker 2>A Kremodal cre Noodle, excuse me, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Gonzalvis.

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<v Speaker 2>He's accepted the plea deal in exchange for his murder.

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<v Speaker 2>His guilty plea. He'll get life in prison without the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility at parole. He'll be sentenced supposedly to four consecutive

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<v Speaker 2>life sentences. I don't think that's adequate. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the judge should reject this and make

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<v Speaker 2>it go to trial. I think that's they have a

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<v Speaker 2>death penalty on the books in Idaho. That's what this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's afraid of. There's no guarantee that some crazy governor

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<v Speaker 2>in Idaho ten twenty thirty, forty fifty years from now

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<v Speaker 2>might not let this guy out. Because what happens is

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<v Speaker 2>time heals all wounds and families break up, families move away,

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<v Speaker 2>the victims. There's no one left to speak for the victims.

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<v Speaker 2>These individuals were murdered as they slept at four four

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<v Speaker 2>point thirty in the morning on a Sunday morning. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've ever been woken up suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>at night in your home. You know, maybe it's a

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<v Speaker 2>thunderstorm outside, or I don't know, something goes on. You

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<v Speaker 2>really don't know what's going on. It takes you a

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<v Speaker 2>little while to get your bearings. So this guy kills

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<v Speaker 2>these four people. No mercy for them, no mercy for

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<v Speaker 2>their age, mercy for their status, kills them, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>now going to walk away guaranteed three square meals a day,

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<v Speaker 2>a bed to sleep in every night. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that I would want that, and I don't suspect most

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<v Speaker 2>of you would want that, But it's a pretty sweet

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<v Speaker 2>deal for this guy when you think about it. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to interact with other people. I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>they'll give him psychological counseling. I'm sure that he'll eventually

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<v Speaker 2>earn some of the privileges in uh in prison, be

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<v Speaker 2>able to exercise in the sunshine, maybe correspond with people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's going to find Jesus in person, because

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<v Speaker 2>everybody finds Jesus in prison. He'll have a Bible study group,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll teach English as a second language, and he'll become

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<v Speaker 2>a new person. But the people who he killed will

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<v Speaker 2>still be dead, and their lives, the people that they

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<v Speaker 2>might have married, the children that they might have produced,

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<v Speaker 2>will never live. So he kills more than just four

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<v Speaker 2>young people. He kills their lives and what those lives

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<v Speaker 2>might have forgotten. Six six, seven, nine, ten thirty. The

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<v Speaker 2>judge in this case, we're not going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to influence that judge would have the right to reject

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<v Speaker 2>this plea deal. Let's hope that he does. But in

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<v Speaker 2>the meantime, let me go to Doreen in Chelsea. Dorian,

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<v Speaker 2>one of my regular calls, Hi, Dorean, welcome back. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Dan doing great? I think I know what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to say on this one, but let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I am how I am. Massachusetts is

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<v Speaker 3>a very liberal state. I'm all for capital punishment from

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning. Yep, I'm sorry, that's how I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's nothing wrong with that. And if there was

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<v Speaker 2>ever a case which would be easy to support, this

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<v Speaker 2>would be it. I mean, I don't understand the people

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<v Speaker 2>who will say, well he doesn't that's that's not what

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<v Speaker 2>he deserves. You just heard Bishop Wright, who's a member

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<v Speaker 2>of the clergy. He's a bishop. He agrees with us

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<v Speaker 2>on this. This guy shouldn't be breathing the same here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and there's another case too. I want you to

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<v Speaker 3>bring up in the futures about those three firemen the

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<v Speaker 3>guy set Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well right, well, two of them are dead, one

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<v Speaker 2>is in I think critical condition.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I hear them see, I always watch the news,

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<v Speaker 3>which might be a bad thing, but I like to

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<v Speaker 3>be in farm that's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Sunday. That was Sunday. I mean that was

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<v Speaker 2>about four thirty our time. I was watching I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox game. And these four firefighters they scramble

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<v Speaker 2>on a Sunday afternoon to go fight a forest fire

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<v Speaker 2>which they don't know has been set, and when they

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<v Speaker 2>get there, they're shot by a twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Year old, Right, a twenty year old, that's right?

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<v Speaker 2>How can you be now? How can you get so

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<v Speaker 2>screwed up at twenty? Did your ideas I'll set a

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<v Speaker 2>fire and the firefighters will come and I'll shoot and

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<v Speaker 2>kill a couple of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm going to repeat myself again. They shouldn't be delivered.

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<v Speaker 3>They shouldn't be able to live, not even in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>Just get rid of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know this guy, the kid that shot and

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<v Speaker 2>killed the firefighter's twenty year old, he apparently killed himself,

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<v Speaker 2>so he saved the state.

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<v Speaker 3>Of life, that's right. Well they found the rifle again

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<v Speaker 3>beside him or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, at least he had the decency to take him.

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<v Speaker 2>This this guy Coburger, he thought he was swart enough

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<v Speaker 2>and he was going to be able to get away

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<v Speaker 2>with it. I heard someone, yes the last hour, that

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<v Speaker 2>he brought like a dustbuster with him. He was going

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<v Speaker 2>to clean up to make sure there were no fibers,

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<v Speaker 2>no hears left at the crime scene. He thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was swater than everybody, and he almost right.

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<v Speaker 3>So what do you call that? Manslaught and tension to kill?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's murder. That's murder, murder in the first degree,

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<v Speaker 2>up close and personal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, So what's pre meta murder?

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<v Speaker 4>Again?

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<v Speaker 2>Premeditated murder is basically, you can you can form a

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<v Speaker 2>judgment and a decision premed it A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>think premeditated murders you gotta sit down, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>plant it out, you got to figure out when you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it, how you're going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That can be premeditated murder. But you're able to formulate,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the law, what it's called P and D

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<v Speaker 2>premeditation and deliberation in a matter of a couple of seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if all of a sudden, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>me and slaughter is when uh, you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of guys get in a fight and one guy hits

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<v Speaker 2>a guy with a lucky punch and he hits his

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<v Speaker 2>head on a cement step and he dies. There was

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<v Speaker 2>no intention for that guy. The guy threw a punch.

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<v Speaker 2>It was dangerous. He shouldn't be throwing a punch. But

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<v Speaker 2>first agreement, this kid was looking at first degree murder

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<v Speaker 2>capital offense, first degree murder in Idaho, death penalty. And

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<v Speaker 2>four he's the he's this is for not this is

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<v Speaker 2>one to three, this is four.

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<v Speaker 3>No way that he should now another thing to another case.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hi profile out there. Okay, is that Kylie? You

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<v Speaker 3>know that little Kylie that's kidnapped and killed by the father.

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<v Speaker 2>In Idaho.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it was on the TV. No right from there

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<v Speaker 3>New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, that's that's a little girl named Harmony.

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<v Speaker 3>Harmony.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Yeah, well he's sorry. Yeah, he's been convicted

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<v Speaker 2>in New Hampshire. So yeah, I mean, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go through them all, but I think you make

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<v Speaker 2>some really interesting points. And again there are some just

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<v Speaker 2>some sick people who do not deserve our money. Should

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<v Speaker 2>not be spent on keeping this guy alive. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. It could be spent in a lot, that's right. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>you got it, Dorian, Thanks very much. You'll lit the

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<v Speaker 2>phones up for us here doing good job. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>all right, have a great night. Six thirty. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>only line open. Uh, we are gonna go next to

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's waiting long. We got Lillian Walpole, Lauren and Plymouth

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<v Speaker 2>John in New York and one that will get that

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<v Speaker 2>name and the only one line six one, seven thirty dial.

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<v Speaker 2>Now get through and we'll have you on coming back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones we go. We're talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Kolberger quadruple murder case in Idaho. He has been able,

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<v Speaker 2>or I should say, the prosecutors were willing to accept

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<v Speaker 2>a guilty plea of four murders and he will avoid

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty. Lily in Walpole, Hi, Lily, how are

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<v Speaker 2>you hey?

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<v Speaker 5>Good again?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 5>Ton't I do great?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for calling in excellent listen.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm clong. My son was it when he's going to

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<v Speaker 5>Emmanuel stamped four times and bring them shortly, and they

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<v Speaker 5>caught the brothers that did it, but none of them

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<v Speaker 5>did time. Because my son didn't want me to go

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<v Speaker 5>on court and have to listen to what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, I can understand he wants to protect you,

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<v Speaker 2>but you didn't have to go to that one, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he would have had to have testified. I assume.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and so he chose.

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<v Speaker 2>He chose not to testify, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Did they want I have no idea two and some

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<v Speaker 5>kinds time in jail.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I really don't know really what happened. Really, I can't

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<v Speaker 5>get anoganizen.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, how is your son doing?

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<v Speaker 5>He's doing the way things?

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<v Speaker 3>God?

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<v Speaker 2>How long ago was the son the victim of this assault?

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<v Speaker 5>Man? It was a tant and I think it was

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<v Speaker 5>he's going on manual his I think it was like

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen twenty nineteen. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, So that's six years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, fine, So I assume he's graduated from college

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<v Speaker 5>at this point. Yeah, he's all his work and he's

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<v Speaker 5>joined great front people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, are on family radio here. You could say

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<v Speaker 2>you could say something like I would, I'd be very upset.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be very angry.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't scratch my.

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<v Speaker 2>Night, good night, Lily, thank you for your call. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say hello to your son for us. Okay, congratulations that

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<v Speaker 2>he has survived. Lauren is in Plymouth. Hi, Lauren, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing. Hi? Dan is back in town.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm driving and I'm on the Highway of US again.

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<v Speaker 7>I think firing squad would be wonderful and they should

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<v Speaker 7>put it on live television.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They could maybe make paid TV out of it

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<v Speaker 2>and give the money to the families of the victims.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I think it's disgusting. I believe in crimes

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<v Speaker 7>and passion, like as far as like you know, lesser

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<v Speaker 3>Again, there are there are cold blooded.

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<v Speaker 7>Cold blooded, disgusting killers. Need to go immediately.

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<v Speaker 7>My thirteen year olds? My thirteen year old in the car,

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<v Speaker 7>Our inte Will I tell her about you all the time?

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<v Speaker 7>We talked all about We talk about everything going on

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, you're right, and unfortunately the good things don't get

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<v Speaker 7>He's going to school to be a you know, to

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<v Speaker 7>jobs like that, those are the careers that are needed

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<v Speaker 7>right now. We need to really pay attention to this planet.

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<v Speaker 7>And these people walking on the planet are sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I think that on cases like this. This

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<v Speaker 2>guy planned this assault, he circled around that night, his

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, that's apparently the defense lawyers said to

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<v Speaker 2>to get this. I'm going to convict news. Come on

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing you're angry.

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<v Speaker 7>About, go ahead, Sorry, sorry, sorry, That Boston bomber, that kid,

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<v Speaker 7>We need to start really you know, up and things

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, well it was he was twenty and thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Lord, keep calling this program. How are you doing? By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, are you are you still working?

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<v Speaker 7>I quit smoking.

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<v Speaker 6>Do it for my daughter and I are on the

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<v Speaker 7>I did it for my daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet you.

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<v Speaker 7>She made three She made three hundred dollars. So lemon

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's not bad summertime.

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<v Speaker 6>Cash business right next right next door to.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, thea cash business. All right, Lord, keep hanging in there,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks, all right, all right, ran, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you're trying to call all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a few open lines six one seven, so

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<v Speaker 2>has been a great night, interesting night last night as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had more women callers. Uh, in the last two nights.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost been fifty to fifty, which for me is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>H I always enjoy fifty percent women fifty percent men

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<v Speaker 2>you've never called before, become a first time caller. Right

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<v Speaker 2>now at six one, seven, two, five, four to ten

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about what was three years ago. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean three years ago. These students were alive. They probably

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<v Speaker 2>were just started or about to start their college education,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe they were high school seniors. They went to

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Idaho and Moscow, Idaho. Four of them

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<v Speaker 2>were killed in one night, early in the morning, four

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<v Speaker 2>thirty in the morning, by this guy, Brian Coberger. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a graduate student. He's now thirty, so he was

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<v Speaker 2>in his uh. He was twenty seven at the time

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<v Speaker 2>of the murders. He plotted this out, He planned it.

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<v Speaker 2>He was fascinated with people who committed crimes like this

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<v Speaker 2>That was his goal here was to commit a heinous

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<v Speaker 2>crime and not be caught. Well, he committed four ainus crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>He killed four young people, stole their lives, stole their future,

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<v Speaker 2>from them, stole by the way, not only their lives

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<v Speaker 2>and their future, but the future of the children that

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<v Speaker 2>they might have had. Each of them could have turned

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<v Speaker 2>around and gotten married and had a family. Their parents

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<v Speaker 2>would have had grandchildren through with them, through them. It's so,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's it's the deaths of the four young people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the it's the the personal murder. He literally climbed

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<v Speaker 2>on the bed while they were asleep. And again, if

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine one, it's like when remember when you

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<v Speaker 2>wake up in the middle of the night you hear

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<v Speaker 2>a noise. You don't even hear the noise. Unconsciously, your

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<v Speaker 2>Your where am I? What's going on? You're out of

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<v Speaker 2>a deep, dead sleep. That's where these people were. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>they may have been drinking, that may have contributed to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But he goes into the rooms and he kills four

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth and he thought he was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>away with it. Well he didn't. But now he's been

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<v Speaker 2>given the biggest break of his life. The prosecutor said,

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<v Speaker 2>you plead guilty, We'll take the death penalty away. That

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<v Speaker 2>prosecute isn't isn't worth Uh? The word prosecutor at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of his name. He didn't prosecute the case. This

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<v Speaker 2>was the case that should have been an easy case

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecute.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Why let this guy off the hook? I don't know. Six.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel free to join the conversation. We will talk a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit later on tonight about tonight about the big

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful bill that President Trump has been trumpeting. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure this big beautiful bill's gonna make it. I will

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<v Speaker 2>explain that later on. Stay with us. My name is

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray. We'll be back on nights side right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night's Eide with Drays Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, back to the phones we go. Going to go

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<v Speaker 2>next to John in New York, Ky. John, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you sir? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>Hello, Dan, good evening. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 8>Dan, I'd like to know about this business for this case.

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<v Speaker 8>So where where was this judge at This judge has authority,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, I've been on journey duty. When a judge

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<v Speaker 8>sees something going on that shouldn't be, he kicks people out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's what judges do.

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<v Speaker 8>These prosecutors that have been kicked out of the courtroom

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<v Speaker 8>and fired. Well, being a new group of people in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think the judge has the authority to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. John, I think that that that obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>the defense team, according to the prosecutors, if you believe them,

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<v Speaker 2>approached them and said, give us a plea deal. If

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<v Speaker 2>I was the prosecutor and say, what plead deal you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about? Let's say plea deal? This is the case. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a slam dunk. Why do we need to

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<v Speaker 2>give you a plea deal?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, It's like, I don't understand what this is about.

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<v Speaker 8>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it almost you wonder if it might be an

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassment to the state of Idaho. We had Laurie on

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<v Speaker 2>last hour. Could it be that there are powers that

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<v Speaker 2>be who are saying, look, we just had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>two firefighters killed last weekend who were responding to a

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<v Speaker 2>fire that some nutjob set a twenty year old kid.

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<v Speaker 2>He's now dead but apparently killed himself. But then you

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<v Speaker 2>get this case hanging in the background. Maybe maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are in charge in Idaho are saying, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of this case. Let's just move it. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>take his plea, put him away for life for life

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<v Speaker 2>sentences consecutive life sentences. In theory, he won't get out.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know what some governor's going to do

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years from now in Idaho, do you wow?

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<v Speaker 8>You know, No, I don't. But the thing is something

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<v Speaker 8>in this case, they should allow members of the victims

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<v Speaker 8>family to be on the firing squad and shoot this guy,

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<v Speaker 8>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's assuming they want to, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they have just reinstituted the firing squad, which

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<v Speaker 2>is fine, but hey, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sure there'd be some members that might be angry

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<v Speaker 8>enough that might do It's all people involved. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>go on, it's got to be at least two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm told. By the way, I got a text

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<v Speaker 2>here from Laurie that says a little wrinkled. They play

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<v Speaker 2>a game out here. Same in Montana, where a sitting

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<v Speaker 2>judge will retire midterm. At that time, the governor appoints

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<v Speaker 2>a replacement for the remainder of the term. He or

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<v Speaker 2>she then has to run for election every four or

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<v Speaker 2>six years in a nonpartisan contest. So maybe voters might

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<v Speaker 2>have influence. Okay, so okay, that's kind of it. Here

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<v Speaker 2>here in Massachusetts, New York as well. I think judges

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<v Speaker 2>are all appointed by the governor of New York.

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<v Speaker 8>Correct, I'm not sure on that, you know that. I

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<v Speaker 8>don't remember, but I showed the Massachusets I should look

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in Massachusetts, the governor's appoint judges district quot and

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<v Speaker 2>the governor's appoint clerks in some state clerks. In some

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<v Speaker 2>states clerks get elected. It's it's all depending on what

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<v Speaker 2>death battle, you'd go for the death penalty here, John.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, of course you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, I'm with you know.

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<v Speaker 8>One other thing quick before I run on about the

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<v Speaker 8>thanks to to Dan Ray. Uh with the Facebook. You

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<v Speaker 8>know the show you do before and after the program,

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<v Speaker 8>the pregame as you recall, as you recall, I met

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<v Speaker 8>the young lady on on Facebook. Yeah, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>and it's still going on along and she's getting the

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<v Speaker 8>passport ready soon and uh, we're going to meet one

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<v Speaker 8>another very soon. It looks like in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, John, if it works out, invite me to the wedding.

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<v Speaker 8>You know what I'm thinking. You know what I'm thinking about.

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<v Speaker 8>You know what if it's a wedding it's just going

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<v Speaker 8>to be a small little thing, right like at dinner. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>and maybe we'll have it in Boston and you can

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<v Speaker 8>be invited with your wife and you don't have to

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<v Speaker 8>go that far.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be That's that I'd be happy to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We could, we could.

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<v Speaker 8>Help me and rage Boston, Boston. You got the harbor.

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<v Speaker 8>You could have a honeymoon there. You know it's in

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<v Speaker 8>a nice hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's a great hotel, right, great hotel.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole thing the whales.

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<v Speaker 8>Did you ever see the wheals?

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<v Speaker 2>Have I gone to see whale watchers? Whale watching? But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm told, I'm told it's a great event, a great

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<v Speaker 2>event me too. You know how old? I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>old is this is? This? Have you formalized this? John?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you engaged yet or no?

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<v Speaker 8>No? No, I have a ring though.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let me ask you, John, Well, you have

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<v Speaker 2>any idea how old this young lady is?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>I told you the last time. You just you know,

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<v Speaker 8>you kind of you dwell the moment. Let's say, throw baby, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>How old is she?

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<v Speaker 8>Thirty?

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<v Speaker 2>She's thirty and you're older than she.

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<v Speaker 8>I assume oh seventhy Okay, Well I would just doesn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes John, look, do what you gotta do.

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<v Speaker 2>But remember, as as your mother once told you, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when something looks too good to be true, it can

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<v Speaker 2>be to be true. That's all I'm saying. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want you to get You know, maybe this is the

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<v Speaker 2>love of your life, and I would be delighted if

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<v Speaker 2>you were brought together through Nightside. I'm serious when I

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<v Speaker 2>say that. I'm totally serious.

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<v Speaker 8>I know, I know. It's like you know, we'll see

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<v Speaker 8>how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's faded, it's whatever you want to call it. It's karma. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for.

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<v Speaker 8>Your combination advice and warning. Let's call it.

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<v Speaker 1>You.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, if if I consider people who call my show

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<v Speaker 2>as friends, and you know, that's a I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>she may be wonderful, and I hope she can't remember.

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<v Speaker 8>You had that program just about a week or two

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<v Speaker 8>before I met her about you had people calling in

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<v Speaker 8>that were older than their wife. Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, you had guys that were like thirty and forty

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<v Speaker 8>years older than their wife that were calling you and

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<v Speaker 8>telling you about it. Do you recall that, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>We might have been talking about Bill Belichick. That might

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<v Speaker 2>have been what prompted that normally is something that prompts us. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I have friends who have had younger wives. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>knocking that. I'm just saying that, just you know, don't

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<v Speaker 2>rush into anything and use your best judgment and that's all.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's a possibility I might

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<v Speaker 8>just end up being a sugar daddy, you know what

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<v Speaker 8>I mean. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you don't want to be that, trust me, No

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, of course not. Yeah, well isn't it yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>I will.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it is very it is very costly, and it

501
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<v Speaker 2>could be very costly. So yeah, just you know, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do for a living out there? You

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<v Speaker 2>told me once before you work? I think in.

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<v Speaker 8>General general Letri and Schenectady.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right, I was gonna say, I plant.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, okay, it's the it's the plant where we built

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<v Speaker 8>the big power generators that light the cities.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful. That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh it is. Oh yeah, they're big.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if you have a soul on them.

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<v Speaker 8>But what we built, it goes into power plants and

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<v Speaker 8>sometimes nuclear runs it and sometimes you know, uh, the

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<v Speaker 8>steam with the turbine, you know, burning gas and know

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<v Speaker 8>all all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we just I just want to tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>we have had listeners in the Philippines before. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>maybe someone told this woman about it. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, just just use your best judgment. That's all.

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<v Speaker 8>You get calls. You get people that call you from there.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a fellow who used to call quite often

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<v Speaker 2>from there. He was an American who had settled in

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<v Speaker 2>the Philippines's name was Eugene.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh okay, he was listening to your program online then,

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<v Speaker 8>all right, of course, of course, yeah, yeah, Well I

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<v Speaker 8>can listen to my car on on the on the

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<v Speaker 8>on the groundway but night. You know a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>times you can pick it up.

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<v Speaker 2>In a car. It's what we call terrestual radio. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you also can pull down the new and improved

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<v Speaker 2>WB rather the iHeart app. You could make us your

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<v Speaker 2>first free set on your.

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<v Speaker 8>What's in my phone right now that I'm talking on

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<v Speaker 8>you with you know what I mean that I'm listening

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<v Speaker 8>to a program.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and when you pull the app down, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>red button with a white microphone. You make us your

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<v Speaker 2>first preset and you can just press that button and

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<v Speaker 2>you can leave us messages thirty second messages and when

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<v Speaker 2>we do, Rob Robel play them. Rob. If you find

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<v Speaker 2>some messages tonight, make sure you let me know and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll play one of them for John.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, Oh really, I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, it's just it's just another little feature. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of a lot of stuff. Hey, John, we've

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<v Speaker 2>gone really long here. I gotta get I gotta break here.

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<v Speaker 8>And I understand I talk. Thank you, Thank you, buddy.

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<v Speaker 8>I have a good night, Dan, Okay, you too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night. All right, all right, let's uh take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break here on Nightside. Uh the only lines open

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<v Speaker 2>are six one seven, coming right back on night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go to the Phone's gonna go to John

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<v Speaker 2>in debt Ham. You're correct, Rob, John and Debdham go ahead, John.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey Dan, I think you hit it on ahead a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of times. I'm sure you research people can look

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<v Speaker 4>this up. Try to remember where this guy was on

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<v Speaker 4>death Row. And I know he was a letter throw

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<v Speaker 4>a victim's impact Sam. He was laughing at the victims family.

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<v Speaker 4>He's basically saying I got air conditioning, I got three

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<v Speaker 4>meals a day, I got three capable and I get

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<v Speaker 4>to exercise every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, it's like there's no accountability anymore. I know this

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<v Speaker 4>is a political statement, but it's kind of related. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you talk, you look at the stuff that's going on

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<v Speaker 4>to Biden administration. All the Democrats want to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we're looking forward. There has to be accountability. When is

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<v Speaker 4>there accountability? And we saw how easy it was for

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<v Speaker 4>somebody in the Biden administration to pardon all these people. So,

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, twenty years from now, there's no family

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<v Speaker 4>members around to fight it. Can a governor pardon a

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<v Speaker 4>murder of sentence?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you can have you can have medical parole. During COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, there were plenty of people who were sent

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<v Speaker 2>home and there's sentences.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're terminated, suspended or whatever, or they were turned

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<v Speaker 2>into house arrest. Yeah. I mean there are circumstances, and

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances change, and you look at crimes different and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the victims' families die and go away, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>the parents of these kids are going to pass on,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe they're brothers and sisters if they have any,

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<v Speaker 2>move to another part of the country and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be remembered as the siblings of a murder victim.

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<v Speaker 2>So sad, but true, it changes, it changes, and it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't change for the better for society.

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<v Speaker 4>So I talked how far we moved out from like

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<v Speaker 4>nine to eleven, how angry we all were in nine

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<v Speaker 4>to eleven. Now you know, it's almost like not even

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<v Speaker 4>thought about anymore than when we lost three thousand people.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's, like I said, it's like all it takes

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<v Speaker 4>is didn't New Hampshire switch their laws and go for

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<v Speaker 4>anybody who in death row is no longer in death

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<v Speaker 4>row or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that New Hampshire still has the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>I stayed to be corrected on that. But there are

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<v Speaker 2>states that well. In Massachusetts, they have changed life without parole.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, they now say that if you were under

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<v Speaker 2>the age of eighteen and committed a heinous crime for

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<v Speaker 2>which you were given life without parole, that's unconstitutional because

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<v Speaker 2>no one's mind is fully formed by the age of eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's an example where a court comes in, So

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<v Speaker 2>you have all of these these people, and again it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of them, but they committed horrific crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>They have murder ie convictions, life without parole, and now

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<v Speaker 2>they're parole eligible in fifteen years because some judges.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Massachusetts, somebody put up the marathon bout them before,

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<v Speaker 9>and I was going to bring it up like this guy,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sure still gets to talk to his family on

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<v Speaker 9>a regular basis, Like I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything, and you know better than I do. They say

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<v Speaker 4>it's more expensive to put some of to death than

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<v Speaker 4>to let him live his life in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I disagree. I disagree with that. If

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<v Speaker 2>the marathon bomber was I think twenty when he went away,

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<v Speaker 2>he's now more than thirty, he's thirty two. If he

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<v Speaker 2>lives at actuarial tables till till he's eighty five, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to spend a heck of a lot more money

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<v Speaker 2>than if they had expedited death. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers just keep coming up with appeals. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>appeal this ineffective assistance and counsel. We're gonna appeel this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna appeal that. We're gonna appeal that. That's good

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<v Speaker 2>to go back it's like it's an inexhaustible supply of

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<v Speaker 2>appeals at some point. At some point, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>when there's no question about someone's guilt, where there's no

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt whatsoever, there's no scintilla of doubt, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>standard that I would create, a no sintilla of doubt

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<v Speaker 2>and aggravating circumstances like the marathon bombing. See you later, amigo.

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<v Speaker 2>Your time is.

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<v Speaker 4>Up, and I'll say one last thing is with extended appeals,

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<v Speaker 4>as you just said, hire the extra judges, hire the

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<v Speaker 4>extra government for government personnel. Twelve months. You have one

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<v Speaker 4>year of appeals.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you could could you could make it. You could

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<v Speaker 2>make it even you could make it much more liberal.

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<v Speaker 2>You could say two, three, four years. But again depending

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<v Speaker 2>upon the case. I mean, if if, if someone can

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<v Speaker 2>has any potential to prove their innocence, they should not

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<v Speaker 2>be killed by the state. But when there's no it

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a question of, uh, we've convicted you beyond a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable doubt. No, we know that you did this beyond

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<v Speaker 2>a scintilla of doubt. You know I I know beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the sintilla of doubt that the sun rose this morning

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<v Speaker 2>in the east. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>in the but I can't prove that yet.

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<v Speaker 4>I totally agree with it. I think if that prosecution

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<v Speaker 4>takes that plea deal, he needs to fired immediately. Whatever

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<v Speaker 4>they do to get him either.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't even imagine what these parents are going through.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't imagine it all.

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<v Speaker 2>John. I appreciate the call very much. We'll talk soon. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you much, have a great night. Let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to Bill in Pennsylvania. Bill, welcome back. How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm going good. Dan. How you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine. What's your take on this?

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<v Speaker 6>Well? My take is what's worse for a prosecutor to

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<v Speaker 6>take the death penalty off the table before the guy

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<v Speaker 6>has trial is tried, or for president of the United

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<v Speaker 6>States to pardon forty six out of forty nine death

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<v Speaker 6>row inmates. And that is wait, okay, so you pardon

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<v Speaker 6>forty forty six out of forty nine. What about the

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<v Speaker 6>other three? I mean, yeah, the other the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other three that they pardon. If I'm not mistaken, we're

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<v Speaker 2>Dylan Ruth, the guy who killed the innocent black people

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<v Speaker 2>at a church. Also the guy that I shot up

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<v Speaker 2>the Tree of Life synagogue. In your estate near Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 2>and the Boston bomber.

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<v Speaker 6>So they say, I'm saying. Yeah, what I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 6>and here in Pennsylvania, Dan our governor has put a

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<v Speaker 6>moratorium on on death penalty here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, what I would only say to you, Bill

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<v Speaker 2>is elections have consequences.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's that's right, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What a governor can do. We we had the death

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<v Speaker 2>penalty in Massachusetts as recently as the year two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and because of the vote of one legislator, the death

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<v Speaker 2>penalty was was eliminated. So yeah, you know, elections have consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so sad. I mean, it's it's it's when we

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<v Speaker 2>run our society, as simple as that, you know.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>But if a Dan, if a guy, if a guy

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<v Speaker 6>says I'm against the death penalty, okay, like like uh

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<v Speaker 6>President Biden, Okay, hey, I'm against the death penalty. It's

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<v Speaker 6>against my my uh you know, my morals or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>So he pardons he partns forty six, but he let's

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<v Speaker 6>three on there. I mean, that doesn't make sense at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it makes political sense because he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>pardon again a racist in Dylan Ruth an anti semite

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<v Speaker 2>in the guy a tree of life and uh uh

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston barmber. Hey, Bill, I don't mean to cut

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<v Speaker 2>you short. I want to get one more in before

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<v Speaker 2>the break. I got it.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Dan, did you did you hear what happened at

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<v Speaker 6>the University of Penn today?

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<v Speaker 2>Nope?

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<v Speaker 6>Leah Thomas was stripped of all his her medals.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, I didn't realize that. Okay, yeah, I'll look

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<v Speaker 2>for that story tomorrow. There's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>news story. Thank you, Bill, help me go to Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>and Charles town. Patrick going to get you anymby with

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<v Speaker 2>the news.

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<v Speaker 10>Go ahead, Patrick, here you doing Dan? Hey, listen that

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<v Speaker 10>kind of interesting, sort of tangential take on this thing. Okay, obviously,

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<v Speaker 10>I think you know if anybody deserves a death Pitlety

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<v Speaker 10>is this guy. There was all the planning involved in

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<v Speaker 10>all that, Yeah, absolutely all day long. But I had

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<v Speaker 10>an interesting take. There's been something bothered me about this.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, Dan, you.

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<v Speaker 10>Had this kid. Let me just hand me out for

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<v Speaker 10>a minute. You have this kid. He has some type

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<v Speaker 10>of disease. I don't know if it's Aspergers or whatever.

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<v Speaker 10>He's a back kid in high school. He develops a

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<v Speaker 10>believe it or not. A heroin problem. He he work,

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<v Speaker 10>He drops out a community college. He gets himself somehow,

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<v Speaker 10>gets himself back in shape, goes back to community college, graduates,

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<v Speaker 10>gets a college degree, graduates, becomes a star student and

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<v Speaker 10>a master's degree under one of the leading experts and

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<v Speaker 10>criminology in the United States. Then him and this guy

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<v Speaker 10>turned his life around. Man. He then gets set. He

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<v Speaker 10>goes to Washington State. He finally is going to make

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<v Speaker 10>his family proud.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 10>He gets there and he had an altercation with a

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<v Speaker 10>professor in September twenty third of twenty twenty two. Within

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<v Speaker 10>eight days, they had him called into a meeting. Within

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<v Speaker 10>eighteen days after that, the professor wrote him up because

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<v Speaker 10>they were going to put him on a performance a

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<v Speaker 10>group of players.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick, here's what I got to do. I got Patrick,

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<v Speaker 2>I have ten seconds left. I will hold you into

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<v Speaker 2>the next hour. You can finish the story after the news.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to break the break for the news. Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>will finish the story. He's talking about Brian Colberger coming

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<v Speaker 2>back on Night sid