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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go, another one of The Gary and Shannon Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Weekend fixes opportunity for us to talk about stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't get to during the rest of the week,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, twenty hours is not enough out of

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<v Speaker 3>five days for us to squeeze in everything that we

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<v Speaker 3>need to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>I like seeing us on the weekends. This is nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very casual, wearing our pajamas. We've got a cup

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee, fireball.

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<v Speaker 3>I only wear slippers in my house on a Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only time, and it's even then. It's only

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<v Speaker 3>maybe a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Of What kind of slippers are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>The old like literally like look like grandpa slippers, brown suede.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the way to do it. I have those

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<v Speaker 1>two with the wool inside. Yeah, I've got two pairs, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I can only do it for about ten minutes. My

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<v Speaker 3>feet gets super hot. Yeah, I got hot feet.

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<v Speaker 1>You get clammy feet with all that hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my toes, my toes get super hot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the word You wouldn't put Chewbacca in a moccasin?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you?

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<v Speaker 2>No need? No need?

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying I have Chewbacca feet is what you're

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<v Speaker 3>getting it today. I thought this was kind of an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting discussion. There has been a lot of talk. It

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<v Speaker 3>actually was prompted by earlier in the week the stories

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<v Speaker 3>about how the administration was going to start collecting payments

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<v Speaker 3>on student loans.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember during COVID, the administration did away with student loans

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<v Speaker 3>and or at least you didn't have to pay them,

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<v Speaker 3>but they didn't wipe them out, or tried unsuccessfully to

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<v Speaker 3>wipe them out. And I thought about you and I

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<v Speaker 3>both went to Chico State. We detailed that in one

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<v Speaker 3>of the other stories. But what was it that prompted

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<v Speaker 3>us to go to college?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Because in this industry, now looking at it, having worked

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<v Speaker 3>in it for a long time, I don't think a

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<v Speaker 3>college degree is necessary to work it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know either.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we were growing up. It's funny my husband's

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<v Speaker 1>older than I am. When he was growing up, college

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<v Speaker 1>was not a conversation in his house. In my house

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, it was the only conversation. It was absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to college. And I remember as my brother,

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<v Speaker 1>who was not academically inclined, could fix or put together

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<v Speaker 1>any puzzle or fix anything, rebuilding a transmission when he

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<v Speaker 1>was like sixteen years old. He remarkable mind, but just

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<v Speaker 1>not an academically inclined person. Hated it, always hated school.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember it was this great conversation, not a

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<v Speaker 1>great conversation, It was a conversation that kind of dominated

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<v Speaker 1>the house of like is Andy even gonna graduate high school?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a whole thing, and he's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go to college. And it was all about because

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<v Speaker 1>my parents don't have a lot of money, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was all about out getting a scholarship. My dad always

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<v Speaker 1>sports colorship. And we were both awful athletes, awful. But

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<v Speaker 1>I love that raise optimism, raise optimism. Bless his heart,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. But yeah, yeah, like when when my

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<v Speaker 1>back in the socket. They were like, we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor on our hands, you know. But anyway, when so,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal when my brother didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>to college and then he went to a JC and

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of like, okay, it kind of mollified

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<v Speaker 1>my parents a little bit. And then he that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>his thing, and it ended up going to trade school route,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the route he you know, he always should

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<v Speaker 1>have gone, and I think that they knew that.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, and has his successful career.

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<v Speaker 1>And has the successful he has his own plumbing business

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. It was a roundabout way of getting there.

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<v Speaker 1>But he always had work. If you could work with

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<v Speaker 1>your hands, you'll always have work, and he can. But

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<v Speaker 1>for me, there was no option. There was no like

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't go to college, than what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to college, just where And it was never

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<v Speaker 1>a where do you want to go to college conversation?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, we did tour some of the colleges

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<v Speaker 1>state schools in California. The idea of going to some

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<v Speaker 1>place like Boston, which was my dream, was a dream

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<v Speaker 1>like there was no chance in holl my parents had

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<v Speaker 1>the money or were going to spend the money to

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<v Speaker 1>send me someplace that was like a boutique degree.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you ever even think of adjoining states like university

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<v Speaker 3>and nevatt Areno or Oregon State or any too expensive?

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<v Speaker 1>It was too expensive because I we weren't. We weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to be capable for getting financial aid. But we are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know at least.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you were in that middle zone, right, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>was in the same I was in the same boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Did both of your parents go to both of your

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<v Speaker 2>parents went to college?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I was in that same boat. Both parents

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<v Speaker 3>went to college. I had an old two older sisters,

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<v Speaker 3>and they had both gone to college. So by the

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<v Speaker 3>time I as a junior in high school and that

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<v Speaker 3>conversation gets ramped up, like you, there wasn't a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't a maybe you take a gap year and

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<v Speaker 3>you travel, you know, travel through the andes or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, no, it was it was where you were

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<v Speaker 3>And to your point, also tempered expectations about where what

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<v Speaker 3>in college. So by the time I got there, my

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<v Speaker 3>oldest sister had just graduated college. So then now they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be paying for two people to be going

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<v Speaker 3>to college. So it had to be a state school.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even I didn't bother applying at any UC's

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<v Speaker 3>or anywhere out of state, like you said. So I

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<v Speaker 3>applied to San Francisco State because it was close, and

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<v Speaker 3>Chico State, and that's it. That was, that was Those

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<v Speaker 3>I had good grades that the time. There was very

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<v Speaker 3>little problem. I didn't have an expectation that I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at San Diego State Long Beach, San Francisco State,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew I would just end up in a gutter,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was the party school more than Chico at

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is too beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a mature thing to be able to know,

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<v Speaker 3>well eighteen or even.

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<v Speaker 1>More mature was. I realized that the classes were super

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<v Speaker 1>impacted in every major. So it was taking everybody six

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<v Speaker 1>years to get out of San Diego State at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was driven up, driven enough to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to graduate in four years. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>How did you choose then?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember what they changed it to, But when

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<v Speaker 3>I graduated, the degree I have is Information and Communication Studies,

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<v Speaker 3>same thing with a concentration in media art.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, why that? Well, how did you choose that?

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. I have no idea. I went

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<v Speaker 1>in as a police sign major, took my first polypside

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<v Speaker 1>class and realized I didn't want to listen to other

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<v Speaker 1>people's politics for four years, that that was not something

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<v Speaker 1>I was interested in because I kind of thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about law school at the time. But who

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<v Speaker 1>knows what they want to do when they're eighteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and I got a job at the radio

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<v Speaker 1>station when I was nineteen, and I changed my major

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<v Speaker 1>to communications because I liked the radio station. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>I liked it there.

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<v Speaker 3>Not the campus radio station, no, yeah, the local one.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew that that that I wanted to do something

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<v Speaker 3>in radio or TV. Felt completely out of love with

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<v Speaker 3>television pretty quickly. Yeah, because you do those things where

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<v Speaker 3>you do internships or you do a shadow day where

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<v Speaker 3>you follow somebody around, and those I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>it was the was local TV in Chico, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>It was so cutthroat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the young, the young reporters who knew that that

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<v Speaker 1>They know what I hated more the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>had to be so perfect and beautiful and fake, or

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<v Speaker 1>that I was so so terribly bad at it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a real ding dong. I couldn't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a smile. I mean, it probably would have done me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of good to learn that back then and

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<v Speaker 1>then carry it through life. But you know it just

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<v Speaker 1>I was awful at it from go, Like even in

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<v Speaker 1>those those those college courses you'd had where you'd put

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<v Speaker 1>on the newscast or whatever. Oh my god, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero would great to go back and find some of

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<v Speaker 2>those tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I already know what they look like, because I

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<v Speaker 1>never got any better, and yet people still had us

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<v Speaker 1>do TV stuff and it was always awful.

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<v Speaker 3>But like I said at the beginning, I would have

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<v Speaker 3>if I had the opportunity to say to eighteen year

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<v Speaker 3>old me what to do in college, I would have said,

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<v Speaker 3>get a degree in anything else. You don't need the

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<v Speaker 3>degree in the communication field. That I would have gone

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<v Speaker 3>with a polysai or something I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Need to learn about the Communications Act of nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight or whatever the hell. My eyes would glaze over

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<v Speaker 1>and literally all the classes, I learned everything that I

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<v Speaker 1>needed to know for this job at my job at

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<v Speaker 1>the radio station.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've said to before blast from the past name

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<v Speaker 3>from the KFI archive. Jody Becker and I did a

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<v Speaker 3>discussion at cal State Fullerton one time, and she was younger,

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<v Speaker 3>She's probably ten years younger than my your age. So

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<v Speaker 3>she said something to this class and we're talking to

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and fifty communications majors there, you know, all

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<v Speaker 3>in want to get into radio and TV. And she

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<v Speaker 3>said at the time, do something else. Yeah, not don't

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<v Speaker 1>Something you know about so then you can bring that

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<v Speaker 1>to if you're a communicator. If you're a talker, no

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<v Speaker 3>That's basically what she said is if you've got it

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<v Speaker 3>or in a TV station or whatever, it's baked into

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I keep telling myself every day. I wake

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still doing that And how's that going about?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, It wouldn't hurt us to go back to

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<v Speaker 3>The other day, right, which was I mean it was

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<v Speaker 1>I do this three times a year where I get

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<v Speaker 1>into a local college and the courses and I look

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<v Speaker 1>at things and like, what should I do? I can

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and my wife going back to nursing school, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>or not required, But would you know, help help your education?

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<v Speaker 3>status of someone who's a reporter, anchor, news gatherer, whatever word.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you had George Clooney going after Megan Kelly uh

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<v Speaker 3>suggesting that she's not a journalist and then her fighting

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<v Speaker 3>Press briefing room that are unabashedly right wing. They talk

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought that was an interesting question because I've

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<v Speaker 3>never despite working in the business of journalism as a reporter,

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<v Speaker 3>as an anchor, as a writer, I've never considered myself

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<v Speaker 3>a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>You spent more time as an anchor and as an

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<v Speaker 1>entertainer than as a reporter. Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I never, when I was a reporter, considered myself

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<v Speaker 1>a journalist. That was always like Walter Cronkite to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought that those were the serious newspeople. I

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<v Speaker 1>I would have never introduced myself. I'm a journalist. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a reporter, is what I would say. I still say that,

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<v Speaker 1>but because because that's really what you are. You're reporting

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<v Speaker 1>things you're not. It was never a newspaper journey. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing I think it goes with newspapers journalism,

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<v Speaker 1>and the term now is so loose. I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>I was still in the field, and that's when the

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<v Speaker 1>blogs were starting, and our bloggers journalists and that was

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a very loose term. Now you go

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<v Speaker 1>on X and everybody's a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everyone's got their their their news camera right

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<v Speaker 1>in their hand and they're telling you what they see

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<v Speaker 1>and they hear. And I used to hate it as

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<v Speaker 1>we got into it, and now I kind of love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of love that you're having everyday voices tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what they see and what they hear and what's

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<v Speaker 1>news and getting you know, reports from people that don't

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<v Speaker 1>consider themselves journalists because I like to hear it like

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when canceling people was a big deal for

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<v Speaker 3>things that they would say. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>we kind of touched on repeatedly, whether we said it

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<v Speaker 3>directly or not, was the more voices in any instance

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<v Speaker 3>are are usually better than fewer voices, Yeah, because you

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<v Speaker 3>have a fuller picture of what is actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Always hated a pool reporter and I still do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one person in the courtroom or wherever telling you what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that because.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't it's the thing that that I think bothers

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<v Speaker 3>me about the use of the term journalists now is

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<v Speaker 3>it elevates people to a certain to a certain status

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<v Speaker 3>that they may never have actually earned.

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<v Speaker 2>That true, and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are expecting someone who is a journalist, big jay journalist

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<v Speaker 3>to give unfettered, unbiased just and that's gone now in

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<v Speaker 3>certain instances. I mean, on our radio station, we have

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<v Speaker 3>people who are reporters and anchors and news gatherers, but

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<v Speaker 3>we don't discourage personality. Bias is different than personality. You

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<v Speaker 3>can have a personality, you can deliver the news. You

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<v Speaker 3>can deliver the information in a clear, cogent way with personality.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're a journalist finger quotes big Jay journalist,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not supposed to have any of that stuff. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that people use it now. They elevate people

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<v Speaker 3>that person and then assume that whatever that person says

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<v Speaker 3>is absolutely the God's honest truth.

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<v Speaker 2>We're humans, we can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I never had an opinion when I was a reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't dawn on me to have an opinion. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>part of it was that I was young, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would I was completely objective. And I remember one time

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<v Speaker 1>when I started this talk show that means the Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>morning stuff that you started on this station, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when you left and I picked it up, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was such a hard thing to do, of giving my

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<v Speaker 1>talking to my husband what I was going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about on the show, and I was going through. I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing it like I would do an expository essay,

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<v Speaker 1>basically just going through, Okay, here's a topic, and then

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<v Speaker 1>so and so says this, and so one says this,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what's going to happen next. And my

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<v Speaker 1>husband said to me, what do you think? And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that moment because I was like, nobody had ever

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<v Speaker 1>asked me that before, and it never dawn on me,

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<v Speaker 1>like what do I think about this? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>It just it's not a muscle that you it's not

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<v Speaker 2>at all at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, now there's no shortage of people telling you

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<v Speaker 1>what they think.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen.

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<v Speaker 3>We do the show every day Monday through Friday, nine

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<v Speaker 3>am to one pm every day. Right after the show,

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<v Speaker 3>it's packaged as a podcast and you can listen to

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<v Speaker 3>any segments that you like that you don't like that

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<v Speaker 3>you missed whatever it was. But then we also do

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<v Speaker 3>these weekend fixes, so on Saturdays we will drop an

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care however you do it ron. That sounds great,

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We're running out of steam. Well I hope not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Saturday morning. I got to go out and do stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll take your slippers off, put your pants on, and

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<v Speaker 1>be a man.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. We'll see you on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounded really weird to put your pants on. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to know the reference.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all. You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.

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<v Speaker 3>You can always hear us live on KFI AM six

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