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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of August eleventh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're continuing with The Gilded Age, Season three, Episode four,

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<v Speaker 2>Marriage is a gambleh. As we said this followed on

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<v Speaker 2>love is Never easy last week, and it's not especially

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<v Speaker 2>love and marriage are a struggle for yes, everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 1>In a romantic comedy. No I did did like for perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>and I suppose this is a parenting tip in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Marian pointing out that their friend who married for

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<v Speaker 1>love it didn't work out, and her friend who their

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<v Speaker 1>friends who married as a business transaction are doing quite well.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can't ever say, I mean, certainly, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we think the person Gladys was in love with would

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<v Speaker 1>not have lasted very well, right, And so sometimes, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, you just got to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go along with it, even though you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't want to show your mother that you

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<v Speaker 2>are That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there was very much that element, isn't there. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to give her the satisfaction, but you know, needther

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<v Speaker 1>you nor your father can figure out anything else to

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<v Speaker 1>do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so it's kind of game over for Gladys, even

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<v Speaker 2>though she takes to her room for an indeterminate amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time that might have been a few weeks unclear.

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<v Speaker 2>In the you know, they make it certainly a cliffhanger

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<v Speaker 2>of will she or won't she show up at the church.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that she would. I mean, we've seen pictures

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<v Speaker 2>like I think it was. I feel like it was

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<v Speaker 2>in the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it wasn't, I don't know, but we're watching it

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<v Speaker 1>a little behind.

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<v Speaker 2>We are watching very.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to be on social media without seeing pictures of yes,

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<v Speaker 1>things that have happened recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so so, yes, she as I had assumed she would,

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<v Speaker 2>showed up, cried her way down the aisle, with which

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<v Speaker 2>maybe people couldn't see behind her veil unclear. I do

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<v Speaker 2>believe that the Duke's nasty sister gotta gotta look at

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<v Speaker 2>her crying. So that was that was sad. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had we had two two sisters up here. We

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<v Speaker 2>had Bertha's sister Monica.

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<v Speaker 1>Both unwanted, yes, unwelcome, and yet there they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Monica played by Merrit Weaver. She was. She was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun costume in the right period. I don't see her

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<v Speaker 1>in historical things very often.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And Bertha had to engineer the destruction of the

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<v Speaker 2>dress she was wearing so she wouldn't wear it to

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding. Oh just oops, this coffee. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how it's spilled.

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<v Speaker 1>Just appreciate for a moment how hard Bertha works. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't always approve of what she works towards. But she, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a busy girl. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She is. And she wasn't going to let her sister's

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<v Speaker 2>ugly dress. And she tells George it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>unkind to let her wear the dress.

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<v Speaker 1>With all the other things she has to worry about,

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<v Speaker 1>is my daughter gonna bail on this marriage and and

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<v Speaker 1>humiliate me in front of all of society, she still

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<v Speaker 1>has time to think of her sister. Yep, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Galabertha.

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<v Speaker 2>What a lovely lady.

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<v Speaker 1>Who invited the former help who's married to the old dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I don't know how she.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he was just there making observations like nice to

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<v Speaker 1>see you, actress whose name I don't remember, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you, and glad you get another episode? But

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<v Speaker 1>why would I would think Bertha would do everything in

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<v Speaker 1>her power to keep that woman away from him, unless

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to be like, look at me, Yeah I did, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>And and she had to kind of swallow her work,

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<v Speaker 2>like I've never even met this sister, and missus Fish

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<v Speaker 2>is like, oh, how would you have met her? No reason?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oops, yeah, gotta be more careful yourself there, sister. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the next in addition to whatever challenge is Gladys

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<v Speaker 1>face is the next challenge. Romantic challenge will be uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Larry selling Mary into his mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>She sort of knows because she let her be the bridesmaid,

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<v Speaker 1>or it was just.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he didn't. He didn't push her as the bridesmaid

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<v Speaker 2>because he wants to be with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because she's a neighbor and it's convenient.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she'll fit there.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta think that brother's gonna have something to say

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<v Speaker 1>about this. But oh yeah, absolutely, you know who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she got she got the one, she got this

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<v Speaker 1>one thing done. Does she want to have I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>She probably will need Larry to marry somebody with money

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<v Speaker 1>to solve their money problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but Larry, let's just no, just made a bundle

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<v Speaker 2>from Jack's clock. So Jack got half, but together they

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<v Speaker 2>got they each got three hundred dollars, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry essentially for doing nothing but having a name that

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<v Speaker 1>they could attach, that.

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<v Speaker 2>They could set up meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yeah, and you didn't get it man, Although

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<v Speaker 1>Jack is like, this is more money than I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>imagined having in my life. So he's not upset.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't just put this under his mattress in this

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<v Speaker 1>little Footman Garrett.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because the drinks with broad substack informs me that

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<v Speaker 2>this three hundred thousand is worth in today's dollars, well

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<v Speaker 2>over eleven million dollars. Yeah, so, Jack, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's like abstract at that point to him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let Oscar talk in, don't let Oscar have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let Oscar know there's that much money in the house. No,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let Agnes know there's that much money in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, she's a bottomatic with living under the uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>sponsorship of her.

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<v Speaker 2>Sister, right, who, as we as we knew what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>uh invited a woman into the house to perform a seance.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea Martin, Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it? Oh my god? Did I not notice it?

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<v Speaker 1>Andria Martin? Yeah, oh shoot, I'm gonna have to go

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<v Speaker 1>watch that scene again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you have a seance to to communicate with

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<v Speaker 1>your husband, who was a religious individual. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he would have approved of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so either, although he was just a

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<v Speaker 2>very agreeable person, especially where Ada came.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the work of the devil. But I can

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<v Speaker 1>at least talk to her, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Be fine, My poor wife, I just.

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<v Speaker 1>Picking at your sister for buying a dress and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're spending your money on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and also like, I don't think most seances are

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<v Speaker 2>conducted in at like eleven o'clock in the morning drink

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<v Speaker 2>because Agnes was like, oh, I'll be home by lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>and Ada is like, okay, great, that will give me

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<v Speaker 2>enough time to fit in my seance while you're gone. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Uh. We had some more good times in Newport

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<v Speaker 1>with Peggy and her family.

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<v Speaker 2>And I forget his name, hot doctor his family.

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<v Speaker 1>Lusha was shod just giving the let's see, who is

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<v Speaker 1>she the equivalent of on the She's she's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of got some Agnes vibes. Yes, very disapproving and

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<v Speaker 1>sarcastic and snobby, snobby, very snobby and not going to

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<v Speaker 1>approve of Peggy and her son. I don't believe no,

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<v Speaker 1>am I hallucinating Or was there a story in the

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<v Speaker 1>first season where Pegy was married and had a child

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<v Speaker 1>and then her dad got rid of the child. Somehow

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<v Speaker 1>her dad told her the kid was dead.

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<v Speaker 2>And disappeared her from the guy and somehow ended the marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then the kid wasn't dead, but then he

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<v Speaker 1>did die subsequently die. Yes, So there was this whole scandal,

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<v Speaker 1>which I gotta think Lucia Shod is going to turn

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<v Speaker 1>up at some point, right, would there not be a

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<v Speaker 1>chance of them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think this all happened in Philadelphia, and the

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<v Speaker 2>dad worked very hard.

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<v Speaker 1>To I feel like has people on a retainer to

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<v Speaker 1>go check out individuals who show an interest in her son.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to complete dossier, send the Pinkerton agents out. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I unless we've just forgotten that part of season one

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not going to ever talk about it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is also possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think that though.

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<v Speaker 1>A different way with that character.

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<v Speaker 2>Never mind, I think the former husband might also be

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<v Speaker 2>dead at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, speaking of former spouses. Yes, miss the chef's wife

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<v Speaker 1>finally dies, So you're gonna propose to missus Bruce, And

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, I have a husband that.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't work for me. I'm sorry to say, Ah, she

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<v Speaker 2>has a husband who's in an asylum. Yes, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to abandon him and his in his illness.

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<v Speaker 1>So they will just one presumes, just go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, eventually he'll they just conveniently die.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose neither of them are getting any younger, though

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<v Speaker 1>the chef doesn't look like he's got that long. But

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<v Speaker 1>still it was a surprising little scene there between the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them. But I'm not sure even if it

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<v Speaker 1>is your mother's ring, I'm not sure about giving your

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<v Speaker 1>next wife the same rings that your wife that here the.

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<v Speaker 2>Former wife a little greedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, if it's in the family. Probably the rich people

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<v Speaker 1>do it all the time. Yeah, it's not like you

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<v Speaker 1>can go out and buy another one, right, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Or take it down to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Downstairs action in this, yes, this one. And who do

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<v Speaker 1>we think was selling secrets to the newspapers?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We're supposed to think it was somebody, so, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not above it's not out of the question that

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<v Speaker 1>it might be uh Bertha, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But then it went too far, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't approve of it any any longer. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't realise one of the servants, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Adelaide, I don't. I don't trust that one.

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<v Speaker 1>She's off to England now temporarily.

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<v Speaker 2>And she might be mad about that because she's off

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<v Speaker 1>So I take a boat act all by yourself, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm wondering if Bertha's instruction to her marrying daughter

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<v Speaker 1>is better than missus Bridgington's instruction to her first daughter

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but as Hector says romantically, it will be embarrassing

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<v Speaker 1>for us both. But other people have survived.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and let's just get it over with his basic plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Which honestly not a bad idea. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, we're on a boat. Yes, that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I suppose the parenting tip here

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<v Speaker 1>they do not want to marry.

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<v Speaker 2>But Bertha is not listening to us, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Is fairly convinced that this is the way to give

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<v Speaker 1>but she is doing it theoretically with loving intent, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, I watched a little trailer for the remaining episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>basically like, I didn't even think i'd have to interact

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<v Speaker 2>with this person. So yeah, well I'm not what you thought.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have done, way worse than Gladys he can.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's quite malleable, it seems.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, although she also one hopes, has some of her

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<v Speaker 2>She's gonna need that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think but that require kicking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I do hope she learned that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope she does. I hope she has it in

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<v Speaker 1>her someplace. Yes, and if not, I hope Bertha hops

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<v Speaker 1>on a boat and comes over there. Yes, deploys swift justice.

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<v Speaker 1>So should be scared of her if you're not scared

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<v Speaker 1>of the kid, although then again, they may soon be

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<v Speaker 1>penniless if JP Morgan's yes, if his threats predictions are true, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well once again Larry is now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Larry can help out.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were some intimations in the in this trailer

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe Larry isn't so good with money, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's good at apparently negotiating, but yes, maybe hanging on

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<v Speaker 2>to it honest, not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Larry, Marry, please do not be feckless, because we

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<v Speaker 1>like you and Marion together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, he definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like she could possibly find a more stable match.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, let's see. At one point of Bertha says,

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<v Speaker 1>go to bed, George and wake up sensible. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that's a parenting tip. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you could say that to your children sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, what it worked unclear, but yes, I did enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, we are going to we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to end this right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna you know, reset.

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<v Speaker 1>Reset, and uh let's uh, let's see how it is

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. That's sometimes that is the way to

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, time out, everybody, take a step back, have a

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<v Speaker 2>nice rest, and we'll try again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you This isn't really parenting related, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing where there was an article in the

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper about Missus Astor's daughter, and so Missus Astor was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not coming to this wedding, you know, because because

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<v Speaker 2>of this. And then at the wedding Ada says to

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<v Speaker 2>was something in.

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<v Speaker 1>The paper that we were gonna we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to ask and I was like, Aida, what where

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<v Speaker 2>did that come from? Like, she hasn't been that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of space cadet before, has.

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<v Speaker 1>She pretty space cadet?

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean to just I don't know that well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't remember what the story was about, just that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a story, right, But still I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about Missus talked to Missus Astor about her

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<v Speaker 1>name being in the papers. Any reason, good or bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I feel like Ada knows that or she once.

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<v Speaker 1>She passive aggressively being was she acting ditsy even when

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<v Speaker 1>she really meant to be, or which doesn't seem like.

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<v Speaker 2>Her No, because she's just she doesn't want to be cruel,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean no.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's just becoming more of a Are we supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to think maybe she's losing a step or something like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right, right, Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree that she has been kind of flaky at times,

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<v Speaker 2>and see hiring a psychic, but that just seemed a

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<v Speaker 2>step beyond you know. Yeah, Well, don't raise your children

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<v Speaker 2>so that one sister will refuse to you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>that your children will have to go behind your back

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<v Speaker 2>to invite yeah, to invite your sister to their wedding, Larry, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>stay friendly with the extended family, and if not, make

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<v Speaker 2>your choices specifically known, and you know, possibly.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut the phone lines or the to instruct the servants

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<v Speaker 1>that know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't mail any letters.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. Yes. If you have a sibling that you

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<v Speaker 1>do not wish to interact with in certain situations, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do? How do you you theoretically want your

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<v Speaker 1>child to be to know your family members. Say friendly

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<v Speaker 1>with your family members, but you don't necessarily want to

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<v Speaker 1>interact with your family members. That's a difficult thing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a parenting tip. I don't think, however, that the waybirth

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<v Speaker 1>handled it is the right. Is a tip, h boy

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<v Speaker 1>punting tip. Anticipate family awkwardness right and think through how

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to handle it instead of just assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody will do anything without your.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Exactly when you have a son who's been making

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<v Speaker 2>him a lot of noise about about stuff that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of not necessarily his business, you know, and teach your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is something I have not quite done sufficiently,

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<v Speaker 1>although my mother before me, as I've mentioned many times,

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<v Speaker 1>did it well, teach your kids to fear you. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Larry should know that if he does this thing, he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in it with his mom, and he

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<v Speaker 1>may have favors to ask of his mom in recent

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<v Speaker 1>you know soon, and he perhaps wants to be on

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<v Speaker 1>her good side. Yeah, you don't want your kids thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do this, Mom will be really happy about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ha ha ha.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well I don't care what mom thinks. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to do what I think is best, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it bothers her, that'll be hilarious. We don't want this.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to train them to say, I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to see my aunt, but I don't think that mom

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<v Speaker 1>wants to deal with the stress of that right now,

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<v Speaker 1>with the wedding and everything. I'll just keep my mouth shut. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>parenting too, Yeah, you know, make them know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>a handful and respect that. My children do not respect that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like I'm pretty much of a handful,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't. They don't handle me the way that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel my mother earned the right to be handled,

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<v Speaker 1>darn it, because anybody knows how to do that, because

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<v Speaker 1>even Bertha, even Bertha is absolutely and definitively a handful. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>George and Larry, we're just off doing things that no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's one word she like just tells George

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<v Speaker 1>to go to bed, right he's looking old us in

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<v Speaker 1>one and I'm like, man, you made this, you made

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<v Speaker 1>this bed. Now you may not lie in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just be clear mh and uh, exact punishment exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and your daughter will get her butt out of her

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<v Speaker 1>room and go down the aisle. Yeh, yeh. Get me

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<v Speaker 1>out of this country and away from her. Yeah, even

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<v Speaker 1>the the sister may be unpleasant, but she's not my sister,

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<v Speaker 1>She's not my mother. I could probably do what I want. Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>how will this turn out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Well we shall so next Wednesday. The episode is

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<v Speaker 2>called a different world for lots of people. That's true

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<v Speaker 1>I will be spending the time in between worrying less

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<v Speaker 1>about Gladys than I am about Jack. Buddy, put the

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<v Speaker 1>money someplace, say, but Larry open up? Well again, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>not a bank? Could you put that? Where got that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yet?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nervous about that money. That's a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 1>even in those those days. Dollars, those dollars, right, so yikes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, well we'll see what happens next week. Our

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<v Speaker 2>weekly Roundabout roundup is on vacation this week, so we

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<v Speaker 2>Season three, episode twelve.

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