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your host, doctor Dean Bertram.

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Speaker 2: Who.

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Speaker 3: Greetings on my fellow widows and weird as. Welcome to

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Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,

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Dean Bertram and whatever you're watching or listening on whatever platform,

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whether you're watching live on Tuesday Night Central at nine

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pm on YouTube or x or or Facebook, or perhaps

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you're watching or listening to the show after it's archived

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on those sites, or listening to the audio only version

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which always drops the Friday after the Thursday night live broadcast. Welcome.

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Thank you for spending your time with me tonight, today,

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this morning, wherever you are, whatever times on you're in,

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whether you're at now, whether you're in the future. Thank you.

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It's great to have you here. It's going to be

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a great show tonight. It's a great day to day

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up here in the Northwoods. It's been so warm, like

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this is beyond spring now. It felt like summer to day,

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which is amazing, super chaotic day to day that I had.

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I had to take my daughter to an eye doctor's appointment,

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all is good with her eyes. And then on the

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way home I found a little owl sitting in the

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middle of the road. I had to stop traffic move

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the little owl. And then I thought I should go

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back and get to Little Owle. We're just up the

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street from where I live. And when I went back

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with a box and with everything to put the owl

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in it and gone. So I hope it's okay anyway.

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And as they say, the owls are not what they seem.

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We have plenty of weird things to talk about tonight

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with our guest, who I am super delighted we have

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him back on talking weird. He's the creator of Weird Wisconsin,

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where he explores and documents bizarre, forgotten and haunted history

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all across the Dairy state which I live in. From

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a young age, he started to experience things he couldn't

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quite explain, and that's what led him on a lifelong

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journey to further experience and explain the supernatural. He's made

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a name for himself as the paranormal expert of Walkershaw, Wisconsin,

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as the author of Ghosts of Walkershaw and to a

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guide for Walkershaw Ghost Walks, since twenty twenty one. So

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I'm delighted to welcome back tonight to Talking Weird my

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friend Josh Hughes. Greetings, Josh, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me back?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: Looks like it was yesterday that we last chatted.

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Speaker 3: We were just saying before the show started it was

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our Halloween week or how Halloween month? We had you

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one four and you just launched Ghost of Walkashaw, your

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wonderful book. I think right, you just topped that around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was yeah, there it is. That just launched

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early October of twenty five, and you know, we're getting

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back into the tourist seasons. So I just got a

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fresh collection of books from my huberty, and yeah, I'm

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looking to sell some more this summer and then obviously

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leading up into Halloween twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Of course, we also had one of your wonderful

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videos at Midwest Wedfest earlier this year.

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Speaker 2: You did it, Yes, I did a video about spiritualism

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in Wisconsin featuring the Morris Pratt Institute. You know, I

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started doing the vertical video thing for social media, and

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that was one that people really seem to like, grab

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onto and enjoy. So you know, I know the guy

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that runs Midwest Weird Fest. So I'm like, wait, what

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do you think about this one?

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Speaker 3: Man? It was great. I'm fascinated by all the episodes,

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and we're going to talk because you've done so many now,

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I mean, you're so prolific making these, so we'll talk

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about a bunch of them tonight. I love so much

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about it, I could rant about it a lot. I

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love the title Weird Wisconsin for starters. I'm assuming you

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like like I would probably influenced to some degree by

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the great Linda Godfrey's book titled Weed Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: You know, actually I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So I was actually influenced by a creator in Ireland,

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Brinsley mcdmara, who does Weird Ireland, and he does his

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style in way of doing things is completely different than

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what I do. But I was just like, oh, that's

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kind of cool. And then when I was trying to

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I really liked just keeping it simple ww Weird Wisconsin.

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And you know, our good friend Jeff was like, hey,

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there's a pretty well known book by some pretty well

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known people, and I'm like, you know, I like it.

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I'm just going to go with it. It's not taken

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And with that being said, it's really taken off. You know.

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I started it January one, twenty twenty six, and I'm

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just shocked by the amount of people that have just

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clung onto the stories I'm telling and interact with them.

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You know, I've now guys. I was just telling Jeff

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twenty minutes ago, the bass player from Alice Cooper watched

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the whole Egg video and liked it on Instagram. Wow weird.

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Alec Baldwin followed me, which one day I'm like, is

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this the real dude? Really him? And it's sure enough

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it was, but like, wow, just all the people across

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the country that are like I like Wisconsin and like

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the weird stuff. I want to know more about it,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: I think that you're doing such an incredible job, and

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there's so much weird in Wisconsin. I think it's great

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that you're using the title. By the way, I'm sure

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Linda would not mind one bit. I knew Linda. I

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was fortunate enough to have her on the show back

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in the day as well as We Will premiered her

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feature film debut. Her documentary returned to World Cap Mountain

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at Midwest Weedfest back in the day, and she came

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to Midwest Wedfest. To be honest, that's where I got

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my weird titles from. The reason Midwest weird Fest is

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called Midwest Weirdfest. Course, I discovered her book when I

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got here and told me kind of kind of grew

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out of that. But I think I think the title

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weed belongs to belongs to everybody. So I'm so great

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that it encapsulates what your show's about, the weed in Wisconsin.

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So I know you're a filmmaker. I know you have

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a background in film. What made you decide to do

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that jump? And we're going to talk about the content

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a minute, but what made you decide to do that

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jump into vertical video? Because it's quite it's quite a

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change from shooting in sixty nine or you know some

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of years and the social media person was telling me,

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you got to think more vertical. How can you make

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these stories vertical? And I'm like, screw vertical, Like I'm

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a filmmaker, I Am not going to make vertical content.

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it was last May, about a year ago. We were

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walking through Waukesha, and I was telling my wife like,

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do you know this spot used to be this? And

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all these things happened here and this and that, And

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she's like, Honey, I support your passion and I love

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what you're talking about, but there's a whole lot more

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people that would want to listen and be curious about

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what you're talking about. She's like, why don't you just

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start making videos? And I'm like okay. So the next

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time we went to a park, I just brought my

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phone out and I was pointing it around and doing

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all these things and not really putting much effort into it.

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had like one hundred thousand views and all these comments

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and interactions with people and people that had no idea

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about the story, and I'm like, well, maybe this could

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be something, right. And so that was going just through

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the Walkasha ghost Walks Instagram, which I was helping build

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for Mike and American Ghostwalks, and then I just decided

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to pull the band aid off start something new January

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one of this year, and again it's just completely blown up,

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bigger than I anticipated. There's people all over the country

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who I know that are finding my stuff. You know,

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my financial advisor found my videos without me showing it

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to them. People are stopping me in public places and saying,

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are you that guy that told me?

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Speaker 1: Wow this?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's not why I'm doing it. But

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it's really cool to see that people of all walks

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of life are connecting with these stories.

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Speaker 3: The videos are great. I have the link on to

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your link tree where all the links are in the

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show notes, but I'll get you to throw it out

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again at the end. But if people are this far

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in the show and while they're listening they want to

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jump over, where can people best say we Wisconsin your videos?

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Speaker 2: I think if you just search it on Instagram, Facebook,

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YouTube or TikTok, it'll it'll pop up in some fashion.

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weird Wisconsin. It kind of looks like a badge, like

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a police badge. Very simple, very easy to you know,

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pick up right on the way, right away. I don't

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think there's many competing profile was with the same name.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's certainly not as big as yours. However, right

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because you're booming straight away out of the gate, which

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is absolutely fantastic. Maybe I'll give you the floor, so

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I'll disappear, well you can maybe tell a story and

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then I'll come back to you. But can you tell

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me one of your favorite wed Wisconsin videos that you've

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done so far and give us just maybe like you're

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almost doing the video, like give people a sense of

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one of the places that you've talked about or one

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of the scenarios that you've explored.

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Speaker 2: Right, And you know, it's when I say weird, it's

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not always spooky. It's not always encryptid. It's not always

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something that's just like morbid or disgusting. It's something that's

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just different that you had no idea existed. And one

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of the stories that floored me was about this church

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in Watertown, Wisconsin that was built in the eighteen hundreds

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by Irish immigrants, and they had a rock from this

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castle in Ireland called the Rock of ca they had

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as the cornerstone of the church. And when I discovered this,

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I realized that when I was in Ireland, one of

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the only castles I got drone footage of was the

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Rock of Castle, and it has a really cool story

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behind how the castle was formed, plus the Wisconsin connection,

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release it around Saint Patrick's day. And so the story

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goes is that Saint Patrick himself banished the devil from

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a cave in Ireland, and the devil got so mad

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spit it across the Irish countryside, and then when it landed,

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it was eventually formed into this castle, the Rock of Castle.

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just that cool story combined with this chunk of rock

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went to Galway, came all the way to little small watertown, Wisconsin,

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and became the cornerstone of this church. I'm like, that

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is just bizarre. That's weird, right, It's weird Wisconsin. And

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when I contacted the church, they're like, yeah, come over

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updating my friends. I'm like, it's got five thousand views,

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ten thousand. You know, we're up to seventy five thousand

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views in twenty four hours. It's just incredible. The people

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that were connecting with this, people that had lived in

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Watertown their entire lives, had no idea this existed. They're like,

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go there every Sunday. I had no idea this connection.

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that's fake. You made that up. And I would just

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link to the Watertown Historical Society saying, look, no, it's real.

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something like this up. And so just like the polarized

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response to it, plus just the amount of traction it

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got across every social media, was like wow, this this

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was just so unique, and I felt like it was

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a story that only I could tell. And and now

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longer documentary work. It's got me thinking like what more

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of a story could I possibly tell? Because this castle

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is a small little town in Ireland. Watertown is a

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pretty small community, but just the connection between two of

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my favorite places, Wisconsin and Ireland. Is like, what bigger

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of a story could I tell? You know, it's something

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Speaker 3: That's super exciting. You totally should. I'd love to see

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a feature documentary from you. I've seen some of your

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other documents. I mean, this is documentary work as well.

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it's you know, a lot of this stuff could be expanded.

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really connect with, whether it's photographs with words or video

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with voiceover, and people respond positively, sometimes negatively, it's like,

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what more could I do with this? So it's almost

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like social media is a test for Okay, this could

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Speaker 3: I love that you brought up one about a stone,

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because there's a number. I mean, I haven't watched all

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of your pieces, to be honest, because there's so many

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they're all so fantastic, But I've watched a couple which

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are about either stones or missing artifacts and things which

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I find fascinating. The smiling stone one. Can you tell

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me a little bit about our audience, a little bit

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about that because that was fascinating, the blue skull that appears,

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and things like yeah.

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about cemeteries and rocks. But the one that Dina's referencing

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in front of the Waukesha County Historical Society, if you've

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been there before or if you haven't, as you go

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up the front steps, there's this rock and if you

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look real close, there's a a face that's carved into it.

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half times the size of a normal human head. And

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I was always curious why that was there, And as

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at the Historical Society. They said the rock was most

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likely carved by Native Americans and it was found in

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a farm field very close to the city. And I

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was doing research for my book. There's a story about

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a house very close to mine, and it's supposedly haunted

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by a witch, and the witch has nothing to do

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with this rock. But this house has a lot of

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very different stories about it. But one of the stories

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outside of the witch is that the rock actually came

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from the backyard of this property, which used to be

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a Native American mound, and the current owners have told

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me that if you sit outside the house on Friday

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the thirteenth at midnight or Halloween at midnight, you will

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see a floating blue skull coming out of the backyard,

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floating into the front yard and disappearing. Now they've sat

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outside that house every Friday the thirteenth and October thirty

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first for twenty or so years. I have never seen

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it's because obviously it is kind of a folklore story.

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I was out there about two years ago at midnight,

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and while it was spooky and creepy, you know, there

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really wasn't anything besides that to see. But the fact

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that you have this legend about a Native American rock

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and perhaps people that used to see some sort of

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apparition or blue skull or something floating really ties into

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the folklore in legends of Wisconsin because as you look

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across the state, you have a lot of Native American

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mounds in the shapes of skulls. So this was a

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thing that meant a lot to their people. You know,

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they put a lot of power into skull in the

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afterlife and death and their mounds. And so if you

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have this house that has its own ghost stories, but

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then you have a mound nearby, you have this skull,

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this rock that was moved from the property, perhaps if

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eventually the rock was moved back to the property, maybe

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the blue skull will come back.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what kind of like disconnected the story and

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the power. But actually, if I've got a copy of

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my book here, this is actually the house where the

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floating blue skull was supposedly seen. And they call it

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the Witch's House on Rosemary Street. Because again, there's a

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whole nother ghost story connected with this property, a place

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that I've investigated. But I have a big feeling that

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a lot of what's going on with the skull and

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the ghost stories and the witch stories is all connected

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to the land as well, which used to be very

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sacred Native American land.

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Speaker 3: There are some other things you look at too on

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your show, other effigy maun stories and the things I

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found fascinated fascinating. There was there was a bird effigy

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mound which had been built upon in one of the stories.

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Speaker 2: I think that was this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be the same thing. It might be

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I think it is now when I'm thinking of.

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Speaker 2: The bird was, yeah, on top of a hill, and

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this this haunted house was the first one that's next

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to that, and it had a very weird first five

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to ten years where nobody wanted to live there because

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even back in the eighteen hundreds, people thought the house

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was haunted before anybody even lived in it.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know walk Ashore. Had I learned so

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much when I watched the show. I didn't know walker Ashore.

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And this is another one about artifacts or things that

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have got rocks that have gone missing, which I'm always

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fascinated because of the Shaver of mystery stuff, who anybody

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which was his show knows I rave about all the time.

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But there was one also about and I'm trying to

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remember that the actual name of it was like a

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It was like, I guess a sanitarium or somewhere people

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went to drink the waters from Walkershaw and there was

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like a there was a there was a missing kind

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of I don't know what you had, a chim. I

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haven't watched it for a while, but it was.

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Speaker 2: Also a cornerstone. Yeah, that's a really unique story that

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I was actually thinking about today. So For people who

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don't know Waukesha as well as I do, it used

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to be known as the spring City. So back in

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the eighteen sixties there was a big boom throughout the

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city where people were coming here from all across the

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country to drink water from all of the natural springs

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that were here in Waukesha at that time. They all

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since dried up, but Waukasha was world renowned for its

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water because it was said to have these magical healing powers.

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So again, people as far away as France and the

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King of England were drinking water that was shipped to

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them from Waukesha. Now with that, there was a big

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economic business boom throughout Waukesha. Any hotels were built. A

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lot of businessmen came here because they wanted to capitalize

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on this, and one of the most famous ones was

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Colonel Richard Dunbar, who basically kind of started this whole

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water craze and he was going to build a hotel

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near the spring that he found. The hotel was never built.

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He died. There was some disputes about the land, and

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then pretty much you know, as the springs era came

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to a close, everybody forgot about it. A lot of

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the hotels were torn down, you know, it kind of

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just like fell off the face of the earth. And

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how this connects to me, my stories, my videos, everything

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is that about three years ago, my friend from California says, hey,

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I bought a box of photos from an antique store

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in southern California and on the back of one of

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these photos it says Waukesha. She's like, I know you

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live there. Do you want to look at it? And

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I could recognize a few of the places in the photos,

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but one of them really stood out as like something

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that was unique. And there was three or four copies

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of this photo, and when I showed it to the

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Historical Society, they said, this is the cornerstone from the

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fa Old Dunbar Hotel near beth as a Spring. They said,

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there's only one other photo that we know that exists

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in the world, and they said, this is the second

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photo that you have. And when I brought it into them,

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they said the cornerstone was there for about twenty thirty

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years and then it just went missing. They have no

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idea what happened to it. And in the photo that

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I was given from this friend, in California. There was

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a you know, twenty two to twenty three year old

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man standing next to the cornerstone in about eighteen ninety five,

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and his dad actually owned a headstone business in Waukesha.

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So the belief then turned to that maybe they were

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clearing the land and somehow they took the stone back

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to his shop, crumbled it up, broke it down, and

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then made other headstones from it. But as far as

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we know, the cornerstone from this failed hotel is completely

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gone from the history book. Nobody knows where it went.

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But now we have the second photo to ever exist,

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and it dated the stone to about twenty years after

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the first known photo of it. So wow, I was

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just like blown away that somehow this this guy came

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from Indiana to Waukesha, eventually went out to Hollywood actually

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became a chiropractor of the stars, and then died and

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his belongings ended up in an antique store for my

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friend who bought it and sent it to me. I'm like,

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for some of the research I do where photographs don't exist,

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that was like finding a golden ticket, right, just something

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so unique that was then given to somebody who cares

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about it, you know, and then I did donate it

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to the Historical Society, so it was in there. Yeah,

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you know, safe protection for as long as can be.

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Speaker 3: I love that your uncovering history as well as just

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as well as telling you know, incredible stories, because so

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much of you know, the paranormal space in fotainment is

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just done for you know, I don't know, for just

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exploitative reasons just to get jump scarce. But when you

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watch one of your videos, you get all of this information,

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historical information as well as fantastically creepy stories often just

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downloaded in these short bots. I mean, you really need

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to be congratulated for doing this, because there's a lot

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of people out there who would just be telling some

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mumbo jumbo story without any actual on the ground research

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work like you're doing.

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Speaker 2: And you know, that's what's really important to me. You know,

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there's a lot of people that just they just want

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to post a story in which I do. You know,

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I post photos with a cool story, but a lot

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of the all of the videos that I do, I

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physically have to go to the location, you know. I

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don't want to just be like taking other people's footage

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and mashing it together, taking photos and putting voiceover on it.

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It's like, if I'm going to tell a story, I

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want to go there experience it for myself. I want

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to see the whole egg. I want to visit the

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where this missing stone was. It's like I want to

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see it, I want to touch it. I want to

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talk to people that maybe know about it a little

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bit more. And that's important to me. You know, there's

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been a few times where I physically can't go places,

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or maybe a physical location doesn't make sense for the story.

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But the more things I can go, do and see

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is what makes this all worthwhile. And you know, I

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really like to take my wife and my daughter along

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when I can, because you know, they don't know about this,

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and you know, maybe when when she's older, I can say,

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like you've been there, You've touched that, you've seen that.

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Maybe you don't remember it, but like it's just getting

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out of the house too, you know, it's it's keeping

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busy and it's exploring and it's furthering everybody's understanding of history.

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Speaker 3: I love that your daughter appears. I'm guessing at your

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daughter in a number of videos because because my daughter's

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appeared often in my documentary because I have her all

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the time, and it's like or a lot of the time,

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any most of the time anyway, and it's like, well,

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it's better to include than to just you know, ignore

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her being there. It's better to make a part of it.

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And it's wonderful to see your daughter. And you just

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mentioned hoded Egg though, and that's where we last saw

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each other, just two weekends ago at Hodegg Herritage Fest

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and your video and that's great as well, and people

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can go and watch that. I'm still cutting mine together.

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You much. You have a much faster turn around than me.

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I'm I'm fast slower. What did you think of Hodegg

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Herritage Festival?

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Speaker 2: You know, I was asking Jeff on the way up,

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I'm like, why is it only one day? Like why

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isn't this the whole weekend or a couple more days?

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But when I got there, I was like, you know,

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it's it's not huge. It's not the biggest festival you've

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ever been to, but they have it so well organized

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and scheduled throughout the day that you can see everything

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and not have fomal like you're missing out on stuff.

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And so it was fun to visit all the booths.

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Jeff introduced me to a bunch of people I've never

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met before. You know, I got to meet Chad Lewis,

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I got to see you and your girlfriend again. I

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got to see the whole egg house, the whole egg store,

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and then the museum was really fun too. Like I

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was just kind of like a bit shocked by how

476
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,079
well put together everything was. Not to say I didn't

477
00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:14,200
expect a complete shamble of a festival, but it was

478
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:19,000
just like everybody there cared about the same sort of stuff,

479
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,519
you know, it was. It was just really really kind

480
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:26,839
of like something a lot more than what I anticipated.

481
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. I totally agree with you. Ben and

482
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:34,079
Kerry do such an amazing job of that festival. And

483
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,240
what I mean, I loved lots about I love that

484
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,519
you could go there if you were somebody like you

485
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,839
and I and you're right, you could meet the people

486
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,359
like you can meet the Chads, and you could meet

487
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,839
the Kevin Nelson's and you know, all these people who

488
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,839
were heavy hitters within the paranormal space, but you could

489
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,319
you could also go and see these wonderful speakers covering

490
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,599
you know, not just the woe Dag, but you know,

491
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,960
broader Wisconsin weird type legends. And but if you're a

492
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720
family man like I am, like you are, there's so

493
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,319
much that you can do with the rest of your

494
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,759
family there as well. Like there's photo booths where you

495
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,400
can all get your photo taken, like hunting the Hoseagg.

496
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,839
There's this incredible kids scavenger hunt looking for hodagg fur

497
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,880
and fighting lumberjacks, and and there's it's just generally a

498
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160
fun place for you can ride the wodagg and get

499
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,079
a photo take. There's there's all this stuff which is

500
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,720
incredibly family friendly. And Sam and I you mentioned that

501
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,119
she was there as always just wonderful because Sam my girlfriend.

502
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,519
I go to a lot of you know, paranormal conventions

503
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,920
and events and things, mainly because we've two with the

504
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,559
short film a lot, and if we're shooting the feature

505
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:40,000
and we're in an area where we can go to one,

506
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:41,880
we go to one as well. But I've never been

507
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,559
to one which is this family friendly that people If

508
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:46,960
you were just somebody like us who didn't have kids

509
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,640
and you just wanted to see weird stuff and talk

510
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,480
to weird people, you could be happy. But if you

511
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,440
bought your kids along. Your kids would have a really

512
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,440
great time as well, because my daughter adored it. Sam's

513
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,519
daughter adaughter it, So I think it's very unique in

514
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,720
that capacity that it takes a lot more boxes and

515
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,880
a lot of standard paranormal UFO cryptid events do.

516
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,799
Speaker 2: To be honest, Yeah, and my wife was kind of

517
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000
jealous that I was getting to go up there and

518
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,640
visit it and say, well, why don't we all come?

519
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,480
And when I got there, the second I saw that

520
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,200
giant bounce house they had in the playground, I was

521
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240
like no, because our daughter would have been there the

522
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,720
whole time. We wouldn't have been able to do anything

523
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:24,759
else because that looked like a lot of fun. Even

524
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:26,359
as an adult, I'm like, she would have seen that

525
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960
and been glued to it. So maybe when she's a

526
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,400
bit older we can go experience everything else. But I

527
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,880
was pretty happy with how family friendly everything was, you know,

528
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,079
with the Lumberjack shows and like you said, the Scavenger

529
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,160
hunts and then even like the museum like kids, I

530
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,839
saw a bunch of kids enjoying that. You know, for

531
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,680
like a seven plus year old, I think it's really

532
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,000
really good to learn a lot, but even as like

533
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,720
a five year old. There's so much to enjoy.

534
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Carrie's QR there. He's done an incredible job

535
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,240
and people, like I said again, people can go and

536
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,519
watch your Hoedagg video of it, which gives a great

537
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,319
overview and a feel of it on Weed, Wisconsin. So

538
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,000
that's what people should do and think about maybe visiting

539
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,960
there one you'll we'll certainly go back. Let's hit some

540
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:19,119
crypted tales, like is there a crypted tale you can tell?

541
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,119
Because this network loves its scrypted story? Is it wisconstant

542
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:23,680
cryptied tale you can throw out?

543
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I went to visit Holy Hill maybe a

544
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,720
month ago and I told my wife, I've been hearing

545
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:36,119
this story about the the goat Man of hogs Back Road,

546
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,880
which you know, sounds interesting enough, And so we did

547
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,279
the Holy Hill thing, and I'm like, let's just go

548
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,160
down Hogsback Road and see if we see anything. And

549
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,759
I've been on that road before without knowing it, but

550
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,200
now knowing that the tale of this this creature they

551
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,359
call the goat Man. I did a quick video about

552
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,319
it again for social media. I kind of put it

553
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,359
together rather quick and put it out and just again

554
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,119
the amount of people that were like, I've been there,

555
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:04,759
I've been on that road. I've seen the goat man,

556
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,319
the goat Man's fake, all these things Bigfoot, have you

557
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,920
heard of? Beast of Bray Road. I was just shocked

558
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,920
by the amount of people that love cryptids. And so

559
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,680
the story of the goat man is that way back

560
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,960
in the eighteen sixties, there was a couple that had

561
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,759
just had their wedding. I don't know if it was

562
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,880
that night or about a week ago. They were driving

563
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,000
on this curvy road Hog's Back Road, and the car

564
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,359
broke down and the husband went to get help, didn't

565
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,200
come back, and then a day later they found him

566
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,079
dead in the woods, like torn apart. And so they

567
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,759
started to say that there was the story of a

568
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:43,640
goat man that was hiding in this area Hubert's, Wisconsin,

569
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,240
and if you saw him, it basically meant that you

570
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:52,519
were about to be killed. And the road really is

571
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:57,200
quite unique because it's very high in elevation and there's

572
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000
very extreme dips. If you're familiar with the Kettle Moraine

573
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,920
region of Wisconsin, you got these very big peaks and valleys,

574
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,000
and that road sits on top of a peak. So

575
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,160
it really was kind of ominous as you drove it

576
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,839
like twenty five miles an hour, going up and down

577
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,599
these little hills, and then there was just these birds

578
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,720
circling on top, like is there road killed beneath? Is

579
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:23,519
there a dead body? But you know, the road is

580
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,599
very short, but the territory is very vast and there's

581
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,480
lots of trees, so if there was a creature like

582
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,960
the goat man, or perhaps if it's been confused with

583
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,119
like a bigfoot, because that area does have big foot sightings,

584
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,480
there's lots of places to hide. And as we went

585
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,519
down a different road which I think we actually got

586
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,839
lost down, there was science all up and down the

587
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,799
road until you got to the next stop sign that

588
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,599
says no cars parked on the side of the road,

589
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,640
because I think they've had a lot of issues with

590
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,400
people parking on the side of the road trying to

591
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,039
get a glimpse of the goat man. But we didn't

592
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,920
see anything, but there was plenty of people on social

593
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,759
media that they've seen weird stuff during the day and

594
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,799
at night around that area over the years.

595
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,799
Speaker 3: When Sam and I went to Bray Road semi recently,

596
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:19,119
which is a little video that I've almost finished, and

597
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:23,559
that I can do. Finished doing the Hot Egg one. Yeah, weird.

598
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,480
It was weird there. There was a weird feeling. The

599
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,200
weirdest thing of all though, was and Sam was driving,

600
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,119
and I was just, you know, filming and being an

601
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,160
idiot when you look through the lens, or at least

602
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000
when I do. That's my focus, you know, nothing else madness,

603
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:37,279
and Sam was like a van's chasing us, like a

604
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,559
van and literally a van chased us right in our tail.

605
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,799
After we'd been there and you know, filming stuff, and

606
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,359
when we got to almost the end of Bray Road,

607
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,319
it just turned around and went back. So I wonder

608
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,960
if the locals there were like pissed off because my

609
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,880
friends I probably shouldn't swear on the network peed off

610
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,920
with people like us going there and jumping out and

611
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,359
filming stuff because there's not a tourist friend the area.

612
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,119
Bray Road isn't like Ryanlander, where the Hodag lives, where

613
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,759
everybody's in on it and everybody's happy to talk tell

614
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,240
you about well, most people seem to be happy to

615
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,119
tell you about the Hodag and the town's adopted it

616
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:11,839
and has a festival. Bray Road isn't that kind of

617
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,119
a place. Elkorn hasn't you know, there's no tourist censor

618
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,720
in Elkorn. You know, there's no Well, there is a

619
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:19,920
statue with the Beast of Bray Road, which is outside

620
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,759
somebody's private dwelling. They put one up, but there's no like.

621
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,880
It hasn't been adopted the way that Ryan Lander, for example,

622
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,200
has adopted the Hoedagg, or the way the Lochness area

623
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,039
has adopted Sasquatch, or the way the Willow Creek area

624
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880
is sorry Lockness areas adopted the monster, or the way

625
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,480
the Willow Creek areas adopted Sasquatch. So I'm guessing Holy

626
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:43,640
Hills kind of like that as well. I can't imagine

627
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880
it's something that the Chamber of Commas have a statue

628
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,960
of the goat Man outside.

629
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,519
Speaker 2: They actually do, so they do.

630
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: Really wow.

631
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a rich Field is

632
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,519
very close by. They have it on their website.

633
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,359
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

634
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: Story is quite well known, and I had heard about

635
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,000
it through a friend of a friend a couple year

636
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,200
years ago, and I just kind of put it in

637
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,839
the back of my head. If we'erever out there again,

638
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,119
I'll take a look. And I was doing research. Yeah,

639
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880
there's a book about it from an author in westpend

640
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:11,440
I forgot what his name was, but he does the

641
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,319
ghost tours out there and it's on their website. And

642
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:18,720
while Hogsback Road is relatively remote, a lot of people

643
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,319
in that area used to cruise that road, I think

644
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,119
back in the seventies and eighties because the road used

645
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,200
to be a different layout and you could go quite

646
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,640
fast and get some air with your car. So a

647
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,279
lot of people have spent time on that road, I

648
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,440
think because of the road, but also because of the legend,

649
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,880
because it's always that like what if you maybe see something?

650
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,920
Like most people probably don't believe in Bigfoot or the

651
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,440
goat Man, or the beats of Bray Road or even Lockness,

652
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,599
but it's like you've heard the story, what if you

653
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,359
see something? Right? And that's probably the you know, the

654
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,920
same thing with like ghosts or even encryptids. It's like

655
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,359
you're not expecting to see something, but wouldn't that be

656
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,559
cool if you did? Right?

657
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: Is something you you kind of hope to do with

658
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,880
your show? Do you hope people to come to some

659
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,359
of those places and do, like I guess, a legend trip,

660
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,360
you know, do an adventure there and find out more

661
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,440
for themselves and experience what it's like that.

662
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one video I put out of a

663
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:20,280
cemetery in York, Wisconsin, which is very very remote, but

664
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,719
it's like the last existing natural prairie of Wisconsin, so

665
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,039
a lot of people connected to it because of that reason.

666
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,760
But there was somebody who said, why don't you make

667
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,639
a map of all your videos, so like the average

668
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,360
person can see all these spots throughout Wisconsin. And that

669
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,119
got me thinking, like what if I did like a

670
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,920
haunted road trip of Wisconsin and was able to show you, like,

671
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,599
you know, a pin on the map, here's the video

672
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,920
associated with that spot, or even just like here's some

673
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,480
photos of spots I haven't been to yet. So maybe

674
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,400
something in the works for the future, but it would

675
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,400
be quite a bit of work to kind of continuously

676
00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:00,480
maintain that. You know, there is an interest for people

677
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:05,880
to want to visit other haunted locations as they're going

678
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,920
to Mineral Point, dur Green Bay or Wassaw, like they

679
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,519
want to see weird stuff on the way. And that's

680
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,840
what we did. On the way to Rylander and Jeff

681
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,840
and I stopped at ed Dean's grave, in Plainfield. We

682
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:25,000
stopped at the world's largest potato mash shirt in Plover.

683
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,360
Jeff just did a video about the first Tombstone Pisa restaurant.

684
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,360
I forgot where it was Medford was going.

685
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: It's just I've been through that many times. I've been

686
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,239
passed that bar where it was found. I love that

687
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,519
video that he did. I'm like, yeah, I've been there.

688
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: And I was just like, well, you know, there really

689
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,119
are spots along the route. You know, you could get

690
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,760
off the highway for maybe five to ten minutes, learn

691
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,320
a thing or two. Maybe you drive twenty minutes and

692
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,199
it's nothing, but it's like at least you kind of

693
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,000
like had that you know, joy of the journey. As

694
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,239
they always say, the joy is in the journey, now

695
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,519
the destination. But we certainly had a great joy in

696
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,400
reaching Ryanlander once we got there.

697
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,599
Speaker 3: Matter. It was so good to see you guys there.

698
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:11,159
It was such a such a great weekend. Do do

699
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,760
you think, I mean, you've lived in this state longer

700
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,920
than I do. Do you think Wisconsin is weirder than

701
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,519
most states?

702
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:17,599
Speaker 2: So?

703
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 3: Do you think all states are fairly weird? And we

704
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,559
just have been a leafy so we notice it.

705
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: You know, I think we're well known for a few

706
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:30,440
weird things, like we've got our serial killers, which were

707
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,079
well known for infamous for you know that the Packers

708
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,840
as like winning as they are, it's a weird franchise.

709
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,440
I mean, we're the only team that is owned by

710
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,760
the people, right, that's weird. There's a lot of just weird.

711
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,400
There's a lot of weird things across the States, but

712
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,559
we don't have a lot of like iconic weird things

713
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,760
outside of like again the serial killers that people are

714
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,159
going to come here to see. We don't have like

715
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:04,880
a Waverley Hills sanitarium where people from across the country

716
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,480
are gonna come to investigate. So I like to say,

717
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,440
there's just a lot of like weird different things that

718
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,599
you have to really kind of care about the history

719
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,119
of the state to understand. But the more that I

720
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,840
like post on social media and and do videos and

721
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,639
make connections with people like you and Jeff, It's like

722
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:28,440
I'm learning more and more every time I talk to people.

723
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,239
And you know, every day I've got people suggesting like,

724
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,480
why don't you look into this? And I had no

725
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,920
idea about that. You know, I've got just like a

726
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:39,440
huge catalog of stories that I want to research and

727
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:43,039
visit and understand more. But the more I do stuff,

728
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:46,239
it's like I can't care about everything. So it's just

729
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,639
like it's becomes overwhelming. Dean, you know, that's that's what

730
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,360
it comes down to.

731
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: I bet I'm far more normally my new little web

732
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,199
thing I've started, which I might even talk about Yetcause

733
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,360
I haven't ropped any episodes bad. I'm normally very centered

734
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,039
on the shav of Palmers stuff. So all my attention

735
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:08,519
for literally almost over three years now, has has been

736
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:10,840
pointing at that. You know what you need, you need

737
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,639
like you need a grant from like the Wisconsin Tourist

738
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,800
Division or something to have like haunted Wisconsin Carmen, you know,

739
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:24,400
weird Wisconsin. These are the things, right, They're not. There

740
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,239
aren't two respaces here yet, but the whole I mean,

741
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,239
Ryan Land is a classic example of the community that's

742
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,159
pulled together to to put something on the books. With

743
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,960
the Hoedagg the Beast of Bray Road has got to

744
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,880
be one of the most famous individual cryptid sidings in

745
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,039
the United States of America. There's haunted locations out the

746
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,440
ying yang As you know better than I do so.

747
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,920
I just I just think it needs maybe that extra push. Yeah,

748
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,639
the wisconsinis Bureau or whoever they are should be should

749
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,639
be encouraging you to bring in the weird tourism.

750
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,519
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and I think it's either people embrace

751
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,280
it or they think it's a disgrace. And there's a

752
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,360
few places I've reached out to where it's like, nope,

753
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,639
no ghosts, there's nothing here. And I'm like, are you sure,

754
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,199
because I've read a lot of stories and like just

755
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,360
me come in. You know, I'm gonna be tasteful about it.

756
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,880
I'm not gonna be like Zach Begins, like there's demons

757
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,719
crawling through the walls. It's it's And that's why I

758
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,920
always kind of approach it with like a middle of

759
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,000
the road mindset, like it could be haunted. I've heard

760
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,840
the stories, let me find out for myself. Whereas you know,

761
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,199
you've got the paranormal groups that are like all vested

762
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,320
up with their gear and looks like they're going to

763
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,800
go fight a battle. It's like, let's just let's just

764
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,239
like maintain a level of normal normalness here, right, you know,

765
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,880
ghosts are as normal as human beings. They were people

766
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,760
once the stories like the Beasts of Bray Road, it's

767
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,400
just a story. Let's just go like try to understand

768
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,559
it more and discover what's going on. So that's what

769
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,000
it is. Just be normal about it and just be

770
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,079
you know, a regular person and just just have like

771
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,719
a sense of exploration about it versus just like being

772
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,000
after it because it's super duper weird or haunted.

773
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: You know, I think you're an excellent ambassador for that position.

774
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:12,800
And I also think, I really do that you're an

775
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,920
excellent ambassador for weird tourism to this state. And I

776
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,840
think I think somebody should pay more attention to the

777
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,639
potential to encourage tourism to spooky areas in this state.

778
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,960
Because I'll be honest, I asked you the question before.

779
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,519
I think Wisconsin is a particularly weird place. I think

780
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,000
that's what encourage me to do Talking Weed and to

781
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,519
do Midwest Weed Fest. There was something about this I

782
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:41,079
just heard more whacked out stories than I'd ever heard

783
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,760
anywhere on this planet. It just seems loaded with so

784
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,599
much strangeness. People who are interested in the paranormal could

785
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:48,760
come here and cryptos and everything else. I think can

786
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,760
spend literally years here. But even a two week holiday

787
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,039
just touring the state to hit some of these destinations

788
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,480
would be absolutely incredible. I do have to ask you,

789
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,239
because I stopped you telling me the story when we

790
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,480
were sitting in the green room before the show about

791
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:05,440
why you don't do your show, why you went to

792
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,159
a show like this when you're being interviewed, why you

793
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:09,719
want to do it, I guess in your living room

794
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,440
or downstairs, and why you want to do it in

795
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:11,960
your office.

796
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is my downstairs living room. I don't

797
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:18,679
normally like to do things here. I have a nice

798
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,800
office upstairs with a computer in lights and a microphone.

799
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,440
But I think I've learned my lesson that anytime I

800
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,760
try to do something in there, the ghosts associated with

801
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,159
their house prevents things from going smoothly. I was on

802
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,920
a podcast a couple about a month ago. Now, actually

803
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,480
she records it ahead of time and then it airs

804
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:42,000
a different date, but we were recording for like five minutes.

805
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Computer goes dead, microphone goes off, the internet goes out,

806
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,599
and so it actually went so haywire in my office.

807
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,280
We had to schedule a second date to re record,

808
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,000
and I did it in our kitchen because whenever I'm

809
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,480
trying to do something technical or focus on something in

810
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,280
my office, the ghost just has her way with me.

811
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,800
So it's like, I'm not risking it anymore, Dean, I'm

812
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,000
going to do it in a place where I know

813
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,840
she's not gonna bother me. But she's, I don't know,

814
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,920
maybe just letting me know it's her space. So yeah,

815
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,840
it's not like a frequent occurrence. I would say we

816
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,480
could have years without seeing something or experiencing something. But

817
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,559
whenever I'm trying to do something like this, it's just

818
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,159
like a wall goes up and it's like, no, you're not.

819
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,519
Speaker 3: Wow. Well that gets your attention, I guess, and that

820
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,320
might be the whole purpose of it. We have a

821
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,960
question for you from Squatch Mama. He's Squatch Mama. She's

822
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,280
a regular viewer of the channel. It's nice to have

823
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,079
you here. She asks, do any of the reports overlap

824
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:48,239
with other phenomena like a lots UFOs, hauntings, missing time,

825
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,440
like you see this cross pollination of weirdness.

826
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: I've seen a cross between UFOs in natural disasters. Actually,

827
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,559
now that's like not typically my area of expertise, like

828
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:11,079
the alien side of things, but Spotty COWI yet there

829
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,079
is a story I tell in the Waukesha Ghost Walks

830
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,400
where there was a night I believe in nineteen ninety

831
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,159
two where there were a huge amount of UFO sightings

832
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,400
in Waukesha, all across the same spot in town. And

833
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:30,519
then in the Philippines was of volcanic eruptions. And there

834
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:34,239
was an author who put out a book I believe

835
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,000
it was called Through Alien Eyes. I can't remember the

836
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,440
author for the life of me, but he believed that

837
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,800
the UFO sightings in Waukesha and those volcanic eruptions were

838
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,559
somehow linked. He believes that perhaps like the aliens were

839
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,199
here as like a pit stop, you know, if we

840
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,400
want to call it informally, and they felt the the

841
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,719
seismic activity happening. And I don't know what reason it

842
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,320
may be, but they were interested in those volcanoes. And

843
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,880
what's bizarre about this is that around that same time,

844
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,639
Waukesha actually did have an earthquake, very very small, but

845
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,320
there was some very minimal seismic activity that took place

846
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,679
in Waukesha, and it was again in about ninety two

847
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,840
ninety three. So you can look that up for yourself

848
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,599
and do some further research, but I have seen a

849
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:31,639
connection between natural like weather or natural disasters and UFO activity.

850
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,639
As far as everything else, I know, I have seen

851
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:41,239
a connection between like lightning and rain and paranormal activity

852
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,320
specifically in this house. There's been a few things that

853
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,559
have been tied to weather related activity. But as far

854
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,679
as like other cryptids like Bigfoot, haven't heard a tremendous

855
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:57,039
amount about that. But again, it seems like the natural

856
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,719
things that happened throughout our world do seem to make

857
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,960
the thing has come out and play.

858
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think there seems to be an overlap

859
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,880
of a lot of these things. Squetch Mama had a

860
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,280
follow up question for you, asking have you ever considered

861
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,239
doing a full investigation of the Rock Lake Pyramids? Need

862
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,320
Lake Meals. Just met a young man from there yesterday.

863
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: It's on my list, so that's a big one on

864
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,119
my list. And actually right next to that lake is

865
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,400
where the woman who is the ghost of our house

866
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,559
is buried, so she's latten outre and I visited and

867
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,159
that was kind of creepy being there, and you know,

868
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,760
like you've experienced this woman for yourself. But yes, I

869
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,719
do have quite a bit of research about the Rock

870
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,920
Lake Pyramids. Ready to go. I just had to find

871
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,639
a time this summer to get out. You know, Lake

872
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,400
Mills is such a cute town. I love being there.

873
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:52,760
You know. We go to Tyriannina, the brewery that's there,

874
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,679
and I want to do a story about the Rock

875
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,119
Lake Pyramids. If people have not heard about.

876
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: That, it's can you tell us? Because I don't know

877
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,679
about the Rook Lake Pyramids, Can you tell us a

878
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,440
little bit about that?

879
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,199
Speaker 2: So you know about Astalan? Correct?

880
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I do know about Astalin.

881
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:09,639
Speaker 2: Very close to Lake Mills, but the I don't know

882
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:11,480
how far back it goes, but I believe it was

883
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,280
twenties thirties forties. There were two young men that found

884
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,679
pyramid like structures in the bottom of this lake in

885
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Lake Mills.

886
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: Oh I saw, I did I saw any What's that?

887
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,079
Who's the He was at a convention I was at recently.

888
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,880
The guy who does that on Earthed America or something

889
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,960
show that he wrote the X what's his name, Scott Walter?

890
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,360
I think, Oh, sure, I did an episode. But I'm sorry,

891
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,440
cud Of, But you tell the story anyway because it's

892
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,400
a fascinating story.

893
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: Well, so basically that's what it is. There's pyramids at

894
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,920
the bottom of the lake, or at least they think

895
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,559
there used to be, and they believe that they were

896
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,880
built by the Native American population that used to be

897
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,239
in this area. You know, we've got the Cokia stories

898
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,119
with Astalan and very close again to Lake Mills, So

899
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,119
they believe it's some sort of either Aztec or Cohokia

900
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,519
ancestors before there was a lake there, or maybe while

901
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:06,320
there was a lake there, built these very small pyramids

902
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,239
in the bottom of the lake. And there has been

903
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,639
some underwater archaeologists that have done further research on it,

904
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,119
and I believe there are either drawings or pictures somewhere

905
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:22,559
online that make you believe that there are some ruins

906
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:26,639
of the pyramids that still exist. But in addition to

907
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:37,599
the the pyramids, I do believe there is a lake

908
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:40,960
monster associated with that property too. Like that is.

909
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: Wow, It's funny. Jeff was only talking about wanting to

910
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,079
go to Devil's Lake maybe this coming weekend, and I

911
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:50,760
didn't think that I could probably, but that's what I've

912
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,079
been there before. Devil's Lake is another lake monster lake

913
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,239
here have you done? Because I haven't watched all of

914
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,599
your videos obviously, there's so many. Have you Donna at

915
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,320
lake Monster Wnald, you have a lake monster one in

916
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,159
Wisconsin that you're you're thinking about looking into?

917
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: One way, Yes, one moment, sure, one thing to take

918
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,239
care of. There is a story I can talk.

919
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: I can talk for a moment. If you want, you

920
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,199
take care of that, I'll talk. Devil's Lake is I

921
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:21,800
don't know, a couple of hours to the south of

922
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:28,119
where I am, and in in a Native American First

923
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:31,599
people history, there was meant to be a creature in

924
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:35,639
that lake like people were meant to I think there

925
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:41,719
were stories about braves paddling across the lake and something

926
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,000
down below dragging them and all the horses who were

927
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,159
with them into the bottom of the lake. And obviously

928
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:54,760
John Keele talked at some length about when a place

929
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,039
has a title with devil in it's it's in its

930
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:03,719
title only means people have seen creepy things. I was

931
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,920
only telling my daughter today when we were at her

932
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,239
eye doctor's appointment. We were waiting for the drops which

933
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,239
they put in to dilate the pupils to take effect.

934
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,960
We were talking about trips we wanted to do, and

935
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,280
Devil's Lake was one of them, and she remembered reading

936
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,719
in I think Robert Robinson's book, I have it here.

937
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,880
She was reading the other day, the Legend Tripping book.

938
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,719
She remembered reading about some creature and I think Arkansas

939
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,840
or Missouri or somewhere in there, which was I think

940
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,880
it was in like Devil's Cavern or Devon's Devil's Hole

941
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:32,599
or something. And so she put two and two together

942
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,440
and said, there's another crypto that lives in this one.

943
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,800
But anyway, back back to you and back to lake

944
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,440
monster potentialities for your show.

945
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's actually one in Waukesha, very similar to

946
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,639
the one in Lake Mills. I just did a video

947
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,760
about this when the Fox River flooded back about a

948
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,840
month ago. But there was the story of this lake

949
00:49:55,679 --> 00:50:00,960
Lockness mini Locksness looking monster called the what the heck

950
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:10,320
was his name? I always mess it up, the manateeo Manatto.

951
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,079
It's a Native American name, which I always butcher. So

952
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,960
I always just I don't want to do it a disservice.

953
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:20,320
But there was a story about this green horned serpent

954
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:23,400
that the Native Americans believed lived in the Fox River,

955
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,679
and they said that if you got too close to

956
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,760
the river or somehow it lured you to the river banks,

957
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,599
it would grab you and take you to his underwater

958
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:35,559
layer and kill you. And this obviously probably went on

959
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,679
for centuries, as those people were living here for very long.

960
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,880
But then when the Slavic European immigrants came over to

961
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,440
Waukesha from that part of the world, they had a

962
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,400
very similar story about this man that they called the waterman,

963
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:52,880
and he was a seven foot tall man dressed in

964
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,599
all black that had a huts near the river, and

965
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,760
he would lure you to the river banks, kill you,

966
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,800
and then dispose of you in the river. And so

967
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,000
what I always found very intriguing about these two stories

968
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:08,840
is that you've got different cultures telling stories about why

969
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,840
so many people are dying near the Fox River. And

970
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,719
so anytime the Fox River floods in Waukesha, I'm like,

971
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:22,599
this is a perfect time two to tell the story

972
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,239
about these two things. And every time I tell it,

973
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,800
people just go nuts. And I think I had a

974
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,679
million and a half views on that video, and so

975
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,880
it's just like, I don't get it why people love

976
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,599
cryptids so much, because I Dean, I used to hate

977
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,960
cryptids until three or four years ago. And the more

978
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,360
I tell these stories, I'm like, people love them and

979
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,199
I don't know why, because it's not a ghost. Like

980
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,360
a ghost I can see, I can experience, I can feel,

981
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,480
but it's like a cryptid. Is it real? Is it not?

982
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,480
I don't know. So it's like it's just fascinating.

983
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 3: I think it's the monster aspect of it, maybe, you

984
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,360
know what I mean. Like I know, as a kid

985
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,199
growing up, you know, in the seventies and the eighties,

986
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,199
then at least cryptids were part of that whole kind

987
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,840
of monster aesthetic. There was the you know, the repopularization

988
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,920
of universal monsters, and you could get the monster movie kits,

989
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,639
and there was also you know, six Million Dollar Man

990
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,519
had Bigfoot on it, and Lennard Nimoy was talking about

991
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:28,159
Sasquatch and Bigfoot, and you know, the whndigo would appear

992
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,199
in you know, Hulk comics, and if you were interested

993
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,800
in the weird or in popular culture, not necessarily like nonfiction,

994
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,039
but fictional popular culture, there was a crossover and it

995
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,480
felt somehow, I think it's still the case. I think

996
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:44,400
we've always had this fascination with monsters, and so I do. Yeah,

997
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,880
I think you doing cryptid videos and things will will

998
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,480
will always be incredibly popular, and those numbers you were

999
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,880
talking about before, it's just phenomenal. It's so well deserved.

1000
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,519
I'm so glad that you're getting those kind of thing.

1001
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I went to the Beast of Brave

1002
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:07,400
Road property. Jeff invited me for a cookouts sort of thing. Yes, yep,

1003
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,280
and I was just like that stupid that doesn't exist,

1004
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,639
it's not real. But the evidence that I saw by

1005
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:16,400
the gentleman that's been doing the research there for I

1006
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,800
don't know decades, I let that property be like, there's

1007
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,280
something here. Wow, there has to be something here. There's

1008
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,039
no way all of this has taken place. And I

1009
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,320
think the Beast of ray Road is really what changed

1010
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,559
my opinion on cryptids because I have had a big

1011
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:36,159
foot encounter. I've seen this evidence from Beasts of ray Road.

1012
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,960
You know, people love the goat man, the hod egg

1013
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,719
and the creature that's hiding in the Fox River. It's like,

1014
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,400
maybe there is more to this, and even if there isn't,

1015
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,119
people love it just as much as I love telling

1016
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,880
the stories. So it's like, okay, let's just see what

1017
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,000
else there is to explore, you know, let's go visit

1018
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,960
a mothman or a batman or a mineral point vampire

1019
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,360
or the sanddown clown. Like it's just all these different things.

1020
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,760
It's like there has to be some truth to these stories,

1021
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,800
you know, otherwise people would not be telling them for

1022
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,719
this lot.

1023
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: I agree, and I don't think there's necessarily as big

1024
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:18,440
a difference between hauntings and cryptid encounters that we maybe

1025
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,119
have traditionally believed. I think that people with interest in

1026
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:28,360
Fortyana have tended traditionally at least to go and look

1027
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:31,719
only at their realm. So ghost hunters have looked at

1028
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,039
the ghosts. UFO people have looked at the UFOs. Cryptid

1029
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,519
people have looked at the cryptids. But often you see

1030
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:43,239
this cross pollination or this connection between the phenomena, and

1031
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,800
sometimes it's as obvious as like as bizarre as it

1032
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,400
set sounds like a big foot walking out of the UFO,

1033
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:53,480
or perhaps not quite as bizarre sounding. Somebody has a

1034
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:58,840
contact with with a UFO or contact with a mothman

1035
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,159
or that type of crypti, and then their house picks

1036
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,079
up this kind of supernatural ghost like activity. And I

1037
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,039
think one of the I think one of the failures

1038
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:13,639
of people in any of these communities is that. I

1039
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:16,400
think it's changing, but I think traditionally they haven't looked

1040
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,039
at other aspects. And John Keel, for example, one of

1041
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,480
the things Kill did, the author of the Mothman prophecies.

1042
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,719
I knew John. I mean I spent a very small

1043
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,280
amount of time with him, but I knew him briefly.

1044
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,159
One of his I think great contributions to the field

1045
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,280
was when he would interview witnesses of strange phenomenon, which

1046
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,880
is in his space was normally UFOs or mothman or

1047
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,039
you know those type of things. But whenever he interviewed

1048
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:41,599
anybody he'd seen a monster or a ufo or whatever,

1049
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,159
he would ask, have you had any other strange experiences?

1050
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,840
And that wasn't traditionally something that nightcap or muthon or

1051
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,280
you know, you know, some parapsychological organization made of asks.

1052
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,239
And then he started to realize, well, this person is

1053
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,840
a multi experience. They saw, you know, a moth man,

1054
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,000
and then their house was seen to be plagued by

1055
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,920
you know, paraphysical or you know, some type of ghostly

1056
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,960
phenomena after that. And so I think that I think

1057
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,320
when we I think when we look a little bit broader,

1058
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,159
we see these things aren't so connected. And Bray Roads

1059
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,159
a great example, I think, because it's if you believe

1060
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,639
that the Beast of Bray Road is some physical, cryptid,

1061
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,320
some wolfman that's breeding there and having when you go there,

1062
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,679
you know, that's just not a feasible reality. There isn't

1063
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:33,679
a population in the Bray Road area of wolf people

1064
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,400
breeding and going like These stories go back, you know,

1065
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,320
decades and decades and decades, So it seems like it

1066
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,960
might be more paraphysical as well. It seems like it

1067
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,440
might be closer to a haunting than to a wild

1068
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,239
like to an actual wolf. And that's that's my take

1069
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,639
on that. Is that something that when you're looking at

1070
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,440
these things that you're starting to say, hey, there's there's

1071
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,599
there's a weirdness here to the Beast of Brainroad. It

1072
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,440
doesn't just seem like it's a wolf in the woods.

1073
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,159
Speaker 2: No, it's it's no, one hundred percent, it's not. I

1074
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:06,360
think it's either something extraterrestrial or there has to be

1075
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,159
some sort of portal there, which I have experienced portals before.

1076
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,239
There is a way that this thing, whatever it is,

1077
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,079
is coming in and out with such elusiveness without being caught,

1078
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,039
you know, only being seen for all this time, I

1079
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,440
think that there is a way that's transporting that we

1080
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,480
don't understand, and we're not supposed to understand. But with

1081
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,480
the amount of evidence I've seen with that creature at

1082
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:38,440
that spot, it left me. I left that night being like,

1083
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,320
there there is definitely something here, and it's not just

1084
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,280
a werewolf, you know, it's it's something far beyond that.

1085
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,039
There's something we're not going to be able to comprehend,

1086
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,800
you know, like like the afterlife. It's something you'll never comprehend.

1087
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,599
And to actually like go to that spot and it's

1088
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,639
it was so fascinating that people flock there to see

1089
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,880
it or experience it and think they're to see a werewolf.

1090
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,519
But it's like you're gonna get lucky if you see it.

1091
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: You know, we're actually almost at the very end. But

1092
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,000
I have a few more minutes if you do. I

1093
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,280
remiss if I didn't ask you, because you said in

1094
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,079
passing that you had a bigfoot experience. I've never heard

1095
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:19,239
your bigfoot experience.

1096
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,519
Speaker 2: I think I was telling Jeff at the hod Egg Festival.

1097
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,800
But I'll try to make it as brief as I can.

1098
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: But you can take as much time or as little

1099
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,280
time as you want, entirely up to you.

1100
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,679
Speaker 2: It was two thousand and six, if people are familiar

1101
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:37,480
with the Holy Hill Bigfoot sightings. I was hunting about

1102
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:42,960
forty minutes southwest of that in near Eagle, Wisconsin, and

1103
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,920
it was state hunting land. And I was kind of

1104
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,039
walking through a path on the woods, and to my

1105
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,880
left was this small ridge where it kind of like

1106
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,960
went up. You could take three or four steps up

1107
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,280
it and then go back down to the gully. But

1108
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:04,480
I was walking, you know, just kind of browsing. Occasionally

1109
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,679
there was a deer or another hunter around, and all of

1110
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,760
a suddenly I this smell hits my nostrils, like the

1111
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:14,559
absolute smelliest smell in the world. I have never smelled

1112
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:19,840
anything that remotely disgusting in my life. And when I look,

1113
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,199
I hear this rustling through the trees, and then I

1114
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:30,400
see this tall, brown blur mass of something sprinting through

1115
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,559
the woods faster than an Olympic sprinter, Like it was

1116
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,360
the fastest thing I've ever seen in my life, and

1117
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:41,400
it moved so quick. But what I distinctively remember seeing

1118
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:43,840
is that there was like some sort of like neon

1119
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,039
like underwear around its midsection. It looked like it had

1120
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:52,239
like stolen a neon vest off of a construction site

1121
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,760
and tied it around its waist like some crude underpants.

1122
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: Almost it was.

1123
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:01,559
Speaker 2: Those were the specific detail, as I remember, was a smell,

1124
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:05,360
the quickness, and then that neon best. It was so weird,

1125
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:12,639
And two days later, around the same area, without meat

1126
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:16,719
telling anybody, my dad had the exact same experience smell,

1127
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,800
seeing this very fast creature and then seeing that bizarre

1128
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:28,639
like neon flash. And the reason I hadn't a lot

1129
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:30,559
of faith that it wasn't a deer is because if

1130
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,480
you've been deer hunting, you've seen white tailed deer in Wisconsin.

1131
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:36,960
When they run away, they kind of like hop, not

1132
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,880
as much as a bunny, but they kind of like jump,

1133
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:41,639
and they have a white tail that pops up. And

1134
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:44,400
this was not present. And this thing was honestly dean

1135
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:48,559
eight feet tall. It was massive, and it moved so quick,

1136
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:50,920
and I just like stood there like what did I

1137
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:55,920
just see? And my gut reaction said, this is somehow

1138
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,679
connected to those Holy Hill sidings where hunters had their

1139
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,280
deer are stolen out of the pickup of their truck

1140
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:05,719
and then for somebody else close to me to see

1141
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:08,559
the same thing, and it's just like, what are the odds?

1142
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,880
What else could that have been?

1143
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: You know, that's crazy that your dad saw that as well.

1144
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he you know, he many believes in ghosts.

1145
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,639
You know, isn't a fantastical storyteller. You know, he's not

1146
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,840
going to make up this elaborate lie. But even if

1147
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,920
you did, how would it match the details of what

1148
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:28,360
I saw?

1149
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:28,719
Speaker 1: You know?

1150
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 3: That's it there, That's an incredible, incredible story. I hope

1151
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,920
you do do more cryptid episodes. I think there is definitely,

1152
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,960
you know, a market out there and people are interested

1153
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,719
in them. But your your book is fascinating and with

1154
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,159
Wisconsin is fascinating.

1155
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,519
Speaker 1: There you guys can put it.

1156
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:54,159
Speaker 2: Up for you then that's easier to see.

1157
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:56,519
Speaker 3: And people can get that at Amazon. I've got the

1158
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:59,800
link in the show notes, so it's you can probably

1159
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,679
go Google, or you could just go on Amazon and

1160
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,280
look for the Ghosts of Walker Shore. Is that where

1161
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,719
you prefer them to go to get it? Or is

1162
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:05,480
there anywhere else?

1163
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:07,559
Speaker 2: I prefer if they buy it from me.

1164
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,039
Speaker 3: Oh okay, send me the link and I'll change it

1165
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,199
as soon as the show finishes, send me the link.

1166
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:14,719
Speaker 2: And no, I mean like physically come and see me.

1167
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: See.

1168
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can buy it off Amazon. That's probably easiest

1169
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:21,199
for everybody, but if you're in Waukesha, hit me up

1170
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,079
on social media, will meet up in person because it

1171
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:25,400
Amazon takes so much your money.

1172
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:29,679
Speaker 3: Right, so right, And of course I'll also have the

1173
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,119
link to to your link tree where they can just

1174
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:38,760
click through to see Weird Wisconsin on various sites. But you,

1175
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,639
as you said before, if they just go to a

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TikTok or to Facebook or YouTube, they can just pretty

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much search weed Wisconsin and I'll find you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, should pop up, the better, it's better.

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Speaker 3: Well regardless, they can go. And just if you're wherever

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you're watching or listening to this, it will be in

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the show notes. Josh, it was an incredib incredible pleasure

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to talk to you, as it always is. You're such

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a You're such a great guest. I want to get

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you on before maybe it will be Halloween again, maybe

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to do another Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll do a Halloween show again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope to see you at UFO Days,

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which we were talking about potentially both getting to we

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could do it. Maybe one day we'll do a weird

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Wisconsin UFO episode with you, because there's actually three UFO

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Capitals of the world in Wisconsin, and Elmwood is one

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of them.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, we've got so much weird stuff it's gonna take

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years to document all of it, so we'll get there eventually, hopefully.

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic, man. Well, thank you so much for talking

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to me tonight. And until I get to talk to

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you again, which hopefully will be in the very near future, Josh,

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And until I get to talk to everybody else out there,

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which will probably be even sooner because it will be

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same weird time, nine pm Central next Thursday, same weird network,

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the untold Radio Network, and that's nine pm Central. Please

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keep it weird.