Speaker 1: The paranormal UFOs, Mountaitors Mysteries that you're listening to Talking
Weird and now from a Kevin deep in the Northwards,
your host, doctor Dean Bertram.
Speaker 2: Who.
Speaker 3: Greetings on my fellow widows and weird as. Welcome to
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Thank you for spending your time with me tonight, today,
this morning, wherever you are, whatever times on you're in,
whether you're at now, whether you're in the future. Thank you.
It's great to have you here. It's going to be
a great show tonight. It's a great day to day
up here in the Northwoods. It's been so warm, like
this is beyond spring now. It felt like summer to day,
which is amazing, super chaotic day to day that I had.
I had to take my daughter to an eye doctor's appointment,
all is good with her eyes. And then on the
way home I found a little owl sitting in the
middle of the road. I had to stop traffic move
the little owl. And then I thought I should go
back and get to Little Owle. We're just up the
street from where I live. And when I went back
with a box and with everything to put the owl
in it and gone. So I hope it's okay anyway.
And as they say, the owls are not what they seem.
We have plenty of weird things to talk about tonight
with our guest, who I am super delighted we have
him back on talking weird. He's the creator of Weird Wisconsin,
where he explores and documents bizarre, forgotten and haunted history
all across the Dairy state which I live in. From
a young age, he started to experience things he couldn't
quite explain, and that's what led him on a lifelong
journey to further experience and explain the supernatural. He's made
a name for himself as the paranormal expert of Walkershaw, Wisconsin,
as the author of Ghosts of Walkershaw and to a
guide for Walkershaw Ghost Walks, since twenty twenty one. So
I'm delighted to welcome back tonight to Talking Weird my
friend Josh Hughes. Greetings, Josh, how are you?
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me back?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Looks like it was yesterday that we last chatted.
Speaker 3: We were just saying before the show started it was
our Halloween week or how Halloween month? We had you
one four and you just launched Ghost of Walkashaw, your
wonderful book. I think right, you just topped that around.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was yeah, there it is. That just launched
early October of twenty five, and you know, we're getting
back into the tourist seasons. So I just got a
fresh collection of books from my huberty, and yeah, I'm
looking to sell some more this summer and then obviously
leading up into Halloween twenty six.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Of course, we also had one of your wonderful
videos at Midwest Wedfest earlier this year.
Speaker 2: You did it, Yes, I did a video about spiritualism
in Wisconsin featuring the Morris Pratt Institute. You know, I
started doing the vertical video thing for social media, and
that was one that people really seem to like, grab
onto and enjoy. So you know, I know the guy
that runs Midwest Weird Fest. So I'm like, wait, what
do you think about this one?
Speaker 3: Man? It was great. I'm fascinated by all the episodes,
and we're going to talk because you've done so many now,
I mean, you're so prolific making these, so we'll talk
about a bunch of them tonight. I love so much
about it, I could rant about it a lot. I
love the title Weird Wisconsin for starters. I'm assuming you
like like I would probably influenced to some degree by
the great Linda Godfrey's book titled Weed Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: You know, actually I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So I was actually influenced by a creator in Ireland,
Brinsley mcdmara, who does Weird Ireland, and he does his
style in way of doing things is completely different than
what I do. But I was just like, oh, that's
kind of cool. And then when I was trying to
come up with a name for my new social media,
I really liked just keeping it simple ww Weird Wisconsin.
And you know, our good friend Jeff was like, hey,
there's a pretty well known book by some pretty well
known people, and I'm like, you know, I like it.
I'm just going to go with it. It's not taken
And with that being said, it's really taken off. You know.
I started it January one, twenty twenty six, and I'm
just shocked by the amount of people that have just
clung onto the stories I'm telling and interact with them.
You know, I've now guys. I was just telling Jeff
twenty minutes ago, the bass player from Alice Cooper watched
the whole Egg video and liked it on Instagram. Wow weird.
Alec Baldwin followed me, which one day I'm like, is
this the real dude? Really him? And it's sure enough
it was, but like, wow, just all the people across
the country that are like I like Wisconsin and like
the weird stuff. I want to know more about it,
you know.
Speaker 3: I think that you're doing such an incredible job, and
there's so much weird in Wisconsin. I think it's great
that you're using the title. By the way, I'm sure
Linda would not mind one bit. I knew Linda. I
was fortunate enough to have her on the show back
in the day as well as We Will premiered her
feature film debut. Her documentary returned to World Cap Mountain
at Midwest Weedfest back in the day, and she came
to Midwest Wedfest. To be honest, that's where I got
my weird titles from. The reason Midwest weird Fest is
called Midwest Weirdfest. Course, I discovered her book when I
got here and told me kind of kind of grew
out of that. But I think I think the title
weed belongs to belongs to everybody. So I'm so great
that it encapsulates what your show's about, the weed in Wisconsin.
So I know you're a filmmaker. I know you have
a background in film. What made you decide to do
that jump? And we're going to talk about the content
a minute, but what made you decide to do that
jump into vertical video? Because it's quite it's quite a
change from shooting in sixty nine or you know some
other Yeah, and aspect ratio.
Speaker 2: I was working at a marketing agency for a couple
of years and the social media person was telling me,
you got to think more vertical. How can you make
these stories vertical? And I'm like, screw vertical, Like I'm
a filmmaker, I Am not going to make vertical content.
And then I slowly over the years changed and then
it was last May, about a year ago. We were
walking through Waukesha, and I was telling my wife like,
do you know this spot used to be this? And
all these things happened here and this and that, And
she's like, Honey, I support your passion and I love
what you're talking about, but there's a whole lot more
people that would want to listen and be curious about
what you're talking about. She's like, why don't you just
start making videos? And I'm like okay. So the next
time we went to a park, I just brought my
phone out and I was pointing it around and doing
all these things and not really putting much effort into it.
And then one of my videos just took off. I
had like one hundred thousand views and all these comments
and interactions with people and people that had no idea
about the story, and I'm like, well, maybe this could
be something, right. And so that was going just through
the Walkasha ghost Walks Instagram, which I was helping build
for Mike and American Ghostwalks, and then I just decided
to pull the band aid off start something new January
one of this year, and again it's just completely blown up,
bigger than I anticipated. There's people all over the country
who I know that are finding my stuff. You know,
my financial advisor found my videos without me showing it
to them. People are stopping me in public places and saying,
are you that guy that told me?
Speaker 1: Wow this?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's not why I'm doing it. But
it's really cool to see that people of all walks
of life are connecting with these stories.
Speaker 3: The videos are great. I have the link on to
your link tree where all the links are in the
show notes, but I'll get you to throw it out
again at the end. But if people are this far
in the show and while they're listening they want to
jump over, where can people best say we Wisconsin your videos?
Speaker 2: I think if you just search it on Instagram, Facebook,
YouTube or TikTok, it'll it'll pop up in some fashion.
You know. The the icon is a ghost It says
weird Wisconsin. It kind of looks like a badge, like
a police badge. Very simple, very easy to you know,
pick up right on the way, right away. I don't
think there's many competing profile was with the same name.
Speaker 3: Well, there's certainly not as big as yours. However, right
because you're booming straight away out of the gate, which
is absolutely fantastic. Maybe I'll give you the floor, so
I'll disappear, well you can maybe tell a story and
then I'll come back to you. But can you tell
me one of your favorite wed Wisconsin videos that you've
done so far and give us just maybe like you're
almost doing the video, like give people a sense of
one of the places that you've talked about or one
of the scenarios that you've explored.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know, it's when I say weird, it's
not always spooky. It's not always encryptid. It's not always
something that's just like morbid or disgusting. It's something that's
just different that you had no idea existed. And one
of the stories that floored me was about this church
in Watertown, Wisconsin that was built in the eighteen hundreds
by Irish immigrants, and they had a rock from this
castle in Ireland called the Rock of ca they had
cut out and brought over and it was put in
as the cornerstone of the church. And when I discovered this,
I realized that when I was in Ireland, one of
the only castles I got drone footage of was the
Rock of Castle, and it has a really cool story
behind how the castle was formed, plus the Wisconsin connection,
I was like, I have to do something about this.
I have to tell the story, and I have to
release it around Saint Patrick's day. And so the story
goes is that Saint Patrick himself banished the devil from
a cave in Ireland, and the devil got so mad
that he bit a chunk out of the nearby mountain range,
spit it across the Irish countryside, and then when it landed,
it was eventually formed into this castle, the Rock of Castle.
And you know, obviously that didn't exist or didn't happen.
You know, that's Irish folklore right there for you. But
just that cool story combined with this chunk of rock
went to Galway, came all the way to little small watertown, Wisconsin,
and became the cornerstone of this church. I'm like, that
is just bizarre. That's weird, right, It's weird Wisconsin. And
when I contacted the church, they're like, yeah, come over
and get some footage, go inside, take a look at everything.
And then when I put it out, I was just
updating my friends. I'm like, it's got five thousand views,
ten thousand. You know, we're up to seventy five thousand
views in twenty four hours. It's just incredible. The people
that were connecting with this, people that had lived in
Watertown their entire lives, had no idea this existed. They're like,
I was baptizing that church, I got married there, I
go there every Sunday. I had no idea this connection.
And then there was a lot of doubters who were saying,
that's fake. You made that up. And I would just
link to the Watertown Historical Society saying, look, no, it's real.
Why would I go out of my way to make
something like this up. And so just like the polarized
response to it, plus just the amount of traction it
got across every social media, was like wow, this this
was just so unique, and I felt like it was
a story that only I could tell. And and now
I'm like, what more can.
Speaker 1: I do with it?
Speaker 2: Like I know, Dean is always about doing you know,
longer documentary work. It's got me thinking like what more
of a story could I possibly tell? Because this castle
is a small little town in Ireland. Watertown is a
pretty small community, but just the connection between two of
my favorite places, Wisconsin and Ireland. Is like, what bigger
of a story could I tell? You know, it's something
as simple as a rock for a cornerstone at a church.
Speaker 3: That's super exciting. You totally should. I'd love to see
a feature documentary from you. I've seen some of your
other documents. I mean, this is documentary work as well.
Of course it's.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's two minutes, so it's mini dog work, but
it's you know, a lot of this stuff could be expanded.
And that's like when I see a story that people
really connect with, whether it's photographs with words or video
with voiceover, and people respond positively, sometimes negatively, it's like,
what more could I do with this? So it's almost
like social media is a test for Okay, this could
be a longer form piece of documentary work.
Speaker 3: I love that you brought up one about a stone,
because there's a number. I mean, I haven't watched all
of your pieces, to be honest, because there's so many
they're all so fantastic, But I've watched a couple which
are about either stones or missing artifacts and things which
I find fascinating. The smiling stone one. Can you tell
me a little bit about our audience, a little bit
about that because that was fascinating, the blue skull that appears,
and things like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. There's a lot about cemeteries, a lot
about cemeteries and rocks. But the one that Dina's referencing
in front of the Waukesha County Historical Society, if you've
been there before or if you haven't, as you go
up the front steps, there's this rock and if you
look real close, there's a a face that's carved into it.
It's about this big, you know, maybe one and a
half times the size of a normal human head. And
I was always curious why that was there, And as
I was doing some digging, I talked to the people
at the Historical Society. They said the rock was most
likely carved by Native Americans and it was found in
a farm field very close to the city. And I
was doing research for my book. There's a story about
a house very close to mine, and it's supposedly haunted
by a witch, and the witch has nothing to do
with this rock. But this house has a lot of
very different stories about it. But one of the stories
outside of the witch is that the rock actually came
from the backyard of this property, which used to be
a Native American mound, and the current owners have told
me that if you sit outside the house on Friday
the thirteenth at midnight or Halloween at midnight, you will
see a floating blue skull coming out of the backyard,
floating into the front yard and disappearing. Now they've sat
outside that house every Friday the thirteenth and October thirty
first for twenty or so years. I have never seen
it's because obviously it is kind of a folklore story.
I was out there about two years ago at midnight,
and while it was spooky and creepy, you know, there
really wasn't anything besides that to see. But the fact
that you have this legend about a Native American rock
and perhaps people that used to see some sort of
apparition or blue skull or something floating really ties into
the folklore in legends of Wisconsin because as you look
across the state, you have a lot of Native American
mounds in the shapes of skulls. So this was a
thing that meant a lot to their people. You know,
they put a lot of power into skull in the
afterlife and death and their mounds. And so if you
have this house that has its own ghost stories, but
then you have a mound nearby, you have this skull,
this rock that was moved from the property, perhaps if
eventually the rock was moved back to the property, maybe
the blue skull will come back.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what kind of like disconnected the story and
the power. But actually, if I've got a copy of
my book here, this is actually the house where the
floating blue skull was supposedly seen. And they call it
the Witch's House on Rosemary Street. Because again, there's a
whole nother ghost story connected with this property, a place
that I've investigated. But I have a big feeling that
a lot of what's going on with the skull and
the ghost stories and the witch stories is all connected
to the land as well, which used to be very
sacred Native American land.
Speaker 3: There are some other things you look at too on
your show, other effigy maun stories and the things I
found fascinated fascinating. There was there was a bird effigy
mound which had been built upon in one of the stories.
Speaker 2: I think that was this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be the same thing. It might be
I think it is now when I'm thinking of.
Speaker 2: The bird was, yeah, on top of a hill, and
this this haunted house was the first one that's next
to that, and it had a very weird first five
to ten years where nobody wanted to live there because
even back in the eighteen hundreds, people thought the house
was haunted before anybody even lived in it.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know walk Ashore. Had I learned so
much when I watched the show. I didn't know walker Ashore.
And this is another one about artifacts or things that
have got rocks that have gone missing, which I'm always
fascinated because of the Shaver of mystery stuff, who anybody
which was his show knows I rave about all the time.
But there was one also about and I'm trying to
remember that the actual name of it was like a
It was like, I guess a sanitarium or somewhere people
went to drink the waters from Walkershaw and there was
like a there was a there was a missing kind
of I don't know what you had, a chim. I
haven't watched it for a while, but it was.
Speaker 2: Also a cornerstone. Yeah, that's a really unique story that
I was actually thinking about today. So For people who
don't know Waukesha as well as I do, it used
to be known as the spring City. So back in
the eighteen sixties there was a big boom throughout the
city where people were coming here from all across the
country to drink water from all of the natural springs
that were here in Waukesha at that time. They all
since dried up, but Waukasha was world renowned for its
water because it was said to have these magical healing powers.
So again, people as far away as France and the
King of England were drinking water that was shipped to
them from Waukesha. Now with that, there was a big
economic business boom throughout Waukesha. Any hotels were built. A
lot of businessmen came here because they wanted to capitalize
on this, and one of the most famous ones was
Colonel Richard Dunbar, who basically kind of started this whole
water craze and he was going to build a hotel
near the spring that he found. The hotel was never built.
He died. There was some disputes about the land, and
then pretty much you know, as the springs era came
to a close, everybody forgot about it. A lot of
the hotels were torn down, you know, it kind of
just like fell off the face of the earth. And
how this connects to me, my stories, my videos, everything
is that about three years ago, my friend from California says, hey,
I bought a box of photos from an antique store
in southern California and on the back of one of
these photos it says Waukesha. She's like, I know you
live there. Do you want to look at it? And
I could recognize a few of the places in the photos,
but one of them really stood out as like something
that was unique. And there was three or four copies
of this photo, and when I showed it to the
Historical Society, they said, this is the cornerstone from the
fa Old Dunbar Hotel near beth as a Spring. They said,
there's only one other photo that we know that exists
in the world, and they said, this is the second
photo that you have. And when I brought it into them,
they said the cornerstone was there for about twenty thirty
years and then it just went missing. They have no
idea what happened to it. And in the photo that
I was given from this friend, in California. There was
a you know, twenty two to twenty three year old
man standing next to the cornerstone in about eighteen ninety five,
and his dad actually owned a headstone business in Waukesha.
So the belief then turned to that maybe they were
clearing the land and somehow they took the stone back
to his shop, crumbled it up, broke it down, and
then made other headstones from it. But as far as
we know, the cornerstone from this failed hotel is completely
gone from the history book. Nobody knows where it went.
But now we have the second photo to ever exist,
and it dated the stone to about twenty years after
the first known photo of it. So wow, I was
just like blown away that somehow this this guy came
from Indiana to Waukesha, eventually went out to Hollywood actually
became a chiropractor of the stars, and then died and
his belongings ended up in an antique store for my
friend who bought it and sent it to me. I'm like,
for some of the research I do where photographs don't exist,
that was like finding a golden ticket, right, just something
so unique that was then given to somebody who cares
about it, you know, and then I did donate it
to the Historical Society, so it was in there. Yeah,
you know, safe protection for as long as can be.
Speaker 3: I love that your uncovering history as well as just
as well as telling you know, incredible stories, because so
much of you know, the paranormal space in fotainment is
just done for you know, I don't know, for just
exploitative reasons just to get jump scarce. But when you
watch one of your videos, you get all of this information,
historical information as well as fantastically creepy stories often just
downloaded in these short bots. I mean, you really need
to be congratulated for doing this, because there's a lot
of people out there who would just be telling some
mumbo jumbo story without any actual on the ground research
work like you're doing.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's what's really important to me. You know,
there's a lot of people that just they just want
to post a story in which I do. You know,
I post photos with a cool story, but a lot
of the all of the videos that I do, I
physically have to go to the location, you know. I
don't want to just be like taking other people's footage
and mashing it together, taking photos and putting voiceover on it.
It's like, if I'm going to tell a story, I
want to go there experience it for myself. I want
to see the whole egg. I want to visit the
where this missing stone was. It's like I want to
see it, I want to touch it. I want to
talk to people that maybe know about it a little
bit more. And that's important to me. You know, there's
been a few times where I physically can't go places,
or maybe a physical location doesn't make sense for the story.
But the more things I can go, do and see
is what makes this all worthwhile. And you know, I
really like to take my wife and my daughter along
when I can, because you know, they don't know about this,
and you know, maybe when when she's older, I can say,
like you've been there, You've touched that, you've seen that.
Maybe you don't remember it, but like it's just getting
out of the house too, you know, it's it's keeping
busy and it's exploring and it's furthering everybody's understanding of history.
Speaker 3: I love that your daughter appears. I'm guessing at your
daughter in a number of videos because because my daughter's
appeared often in my documentary because I have her all
the time, and it's like or a lot of the time,
any most of the time anyway, and it's like, well,
it's better to include than to just you know, ignore
her being there. It's better to make a part of it.
And it's wonderful to see your daughter. And you just
mentioned hoded Egg though, and that's where we last saw
each other, just two weekends ago at Hodegg Herritage Fest
and your video and that's great as well, and people
can go and watch that. I'm still cutting mine together.
You much. You have a much faster turn around than me.
I'm I'm fast slower. What did you think of Hodegg
Herritage Festival?
Speaker 2: You know, I was asking Jeff on the way up,
I'm like, why is it only one day? Like why
isn't this the whole weekend or a couple more days?
But when I got there, I was like, you know,
it's it's not huge. It's not the biggest festival you've
ever been to, but they have it so well organized
and scheduled throughout the day that you can see everything
and not have fomal like you're missing out on stuff.
And so it was fun to visit all the booths.
Jeff introduced me to a bunch of people I've never
met before. You know, I got to meet Chad Lewis,
I got to see you and your girlfriend again. I
got to see the whole egg house, the whole egg store,
and then the museum was really fun too. Like I
was just kind of like a bit shocked by how
well put together everything was. Not to say I didn't
expect a complete shamble of a festival, but it was
just like everybody there cared about the same sort of stuff,
you know, it was. It was just really really kind
of like something a lot more than what I anticipated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. I totally agree with you. Ben and
Kerry do such an amazing job of that festival. And
what I mean, I loved lots about I love that
you could go there if you were somebody like you
and I and you're right, you could meet the people
like you can meet the Chads, and you could meet
the Kevin Nelson's and you know, all these people who
were heavy hitters within the paranormal space, but you could
you could also go and see these wonderful speakers covering
you know, not just the woe Dag, but you know,
broader Wisconsin weird type legends. And but if you're a
family man like I am, like you are, there's so
much that you can do with the rest of your
family there as well. Like there's photo booths where you
can all get your photo taken, like hunting the Hoseagg.
There's this incredible kids scavenger hunt looking for hodagg fur
and fighting lumberjacks, and and there's it's just generally a
fun place for you can ride the wodagg and get
a photo take. There's there's all this stuff which is
incredibly family friendly. And Sam and I you mentioned that
she was there as always just wonderful because Sam my girlfriend.
I go to a lot of you know, paranormal conventions
and events and things, mainly because we've two with the
short film a lot, and if we're shooting the feature
and we're in an area where we can go to one,
we go to one as well. But I've never been
to one which is this family friendly that people If
you were just somebody like us who didn't have kids
and you just wanted to see weird stuff and talk
to weird people, you could be happy. But if you
bought your kids along. Your kids would have a really
great time as well, because my daughter adored it. Sam's
daughter adaughter it, So I think it's very unique in
that capacity that it takes a lot more boxes and
a lot of standard paranormal UFO cryptid events do.
Speaker 2: To be honest, Yeah, and my wife was kind of
jealous that I was getting to go up there and
visit it and say, well, why don't we all come?
And when I got there, the second I saw that
giant bounce house they had in the playground, I was
like no, because our daughter would have been there the
whole time. We wouldn't have been able to do anything
else because that looked like a lot of fun. Even
as an adult, I'm like, she would have seen that
and been glued to it. So maybe when she's a
bit older we can go experience everything else. But I
was pretty happy with how family friendly everything was, you know,
with the Lumberjack shows and like you said, the Scavenger
hunts and then even like the museum like kids, I
saw a bunch of kids enjoying that. You know, for
like a seven plus year old, I think it's really
really good to learn a lot, but even as like
a five year old. There's so much to enjoy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Carrie's QR there. He's done an incredible job
and people, like I said again, people can go and
watch your Hoedagg video of it, which gives a great
overview and a feel of it on Weed, Wisconsin. So
that's what people should do and think about maybe visiting
there one you'll we'll certainly go back. Let's hit some
crypted tales, like is there a crypted tale you can tell?
Because this network loves its scrypted story? Is it wisconstant
cryptied tale you can throw out?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I went to visit Holy Hill maybe a
month ago and I told my wife, I've been hearing
this story about the the goat Man of hogs Back Road,
which you know, sounds interesting enough, And so we did
the Holy Hill thing, and I'm like, let's just go
down Hogsback Road and see if we see anything. And
I've been on that road before without knowing it, but
now knowing that the tale of this this creature they
call the goat Man. I did a quick video about
it again for social media. I kind of put it
together rather quick and put it out and just again
the amount of people that were like, I've been there,
I've been on that road. I've seen the goat man,
the goat Man's fake, all these things Bigfoot, have you
heard of? Beast of Bray Road. I was just shocked
by the amount of people that love cryptids. And so
the story of the goat man is that way back
in the eighteen sixties, there was a couple that had
just had their wedding. I don't know if it was
that night or about a week ago. They were driving
on this curvy road Hog's Back Road, and the car
broke down and the husband went to get help, didn't
come back, and then a day later they found him
dead in the woods, like torn apart. And so they
started to say that there was the story of a
goat man that was hiding in this area Hubert's, Wisconsin,
and if you saw him, it basically meant that you
were about to be killed. And the road really is
quite unique because it's very high in elevation and there's
very extreme dips. If you're familiar with the Kettle Moraine
region of Wisconsin, you got these very big peaks and valleys,
and that road sits on top of a peak. So
it really was kind of ominous as you drove it
like twenty five miles an hour, going up and down
these little hills, and then there was just these birds
circling on top, like is there road killed beneath? Is
there a dead body? But you know, the road is
very short, but the territory is very vast and there's
lots of trees, so if there was a creature like
the goat man, or perhaps if it's been confused with
like a bigfoot, because that area does have big foot sightings,
there's lots of places to hide. And as we went
down a different road which I think we actually got
lost down, there was science all up and down the
road until you got to the next stop sign that
says no cars parked on the side of the road,
because I think they've had a lot of issues with
people parking on the side of the road trying to
get a glimpse of the goat man. But we didn't
see anything, but there was plenty of people on social
media that they've seen weird stuff during the day and
at night around that area over the years.
Speaker 3: When Sam and I went to Bray Road semi recently,
which is a little video that I've almost finished, and
that I can do. Finished doing the Hot Egg one. Yeah, weird.
It was weird there. There was a weird feeling. The
weirdest thing of all though, was and Sam was driving,
and I was just, you know, filming and being an
idiot when you look through the lens, or at least
when I do. That's my focus, you know, nothing else madness,
and Sam was like a van's chasing us, like a
van and literally a van chased us right in our tail.
After we'd been there and you know, filming stuff, and
when we got to almost the end of Bray Road,
it just turned around and went back. So I wonder
if the locals there were like pissed off because my
friends I probably shouldn't swear on the network peed off
with people like us going there and jumping out and
filming stuff because there's not a tourist friend the area.
Bray Road isn't like Ryanlander, where the Hodag lives, where
everybody's in on it and everybody's happy to talk tell
you about well, most people seem to be happy to
tell you about the Hodag and the town's adopted it
and has a festival. Bray Road isn't that kind of
a place. Elkorn hasn't you know, there's no tourist censor
in Elkorn. You know, there's no Well, there is a
statue with the Beast of Bray Road, which is outside
somebody's private dwelling. They put one up, but there's no like.
It hasn't been adopted the way that Ryan Lander, for example,
has adopted the Hoedagg, or the way the Lochness area
has adopted Sasquatch, or the way the Willow Creek area
is sorry Lockness areas adopted the monster, or the way
the Willow Creek areas adopted Sasquatch. So I'm guessing Holy
Hills kind of like that as well. I can't imagine
it's something that the Chamber of Commas have a statue
of the goat Man outside.
Speaker 2: They actually do, so they do.
Speaker 3: Really wow.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a rich Field is
very close by. They have it on their website.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Story is quite well known, and I had heard about
it through a friend of a friend a couple year
years ago, and I just kind of put it in
the back of my head. If we'erever out there again,
I'll take a look. And I was doing research. Yeah,
there's a book about it from an author in westpend
I forgot what his name was, but he does the
ghost tours out there and it's on their website. And
while Hogsback Road is relatively remote, a lot of people
in that area used to cruise that road, I think
back in the seventies and eighties because the road used
to be a different layout and you could go quite
fast and get some air with your car. So a
lot of people have spent time on that road, I
think because of the road, but also because of the legend,
because it's always that like what if you maybe see something?
Like most people probably don't believe in Bigfoot or the
goat Man, or the beats of Bray Road or even Lockness,
but it's like you've heard the story, what if you
see something? Right? And that's probably the you know, the
same thing with like ghosts or even encryptids. It's like
you're not expecting to see something, but wouldn't that be
cool if you did? Right?
Speaker 3: Is something you you kind of hope to do with
your show? Do you hope people to come to some
of those places and do, like I guess, a legend trip,
you know, do an adventure there and find out more
for themselves and experience what it's like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one video I put out of a
cemetery in York, Wisconsin, which is very very remote, but
it's like the last existing natural prairie of Wisconsin, so
a lot of people connected to it because of that reason.
But there was somebody who said, why don't you make
a map of all your videos, so like the average
person can see all these spots throughout Wisconsin. And that
got me thinking, like what if I did like a
haunted road trip of Wisconsin and was able to show you, like,
you know, a pin on the map, here's the video
associated with that spot, or even just like here's some
photos of spots I haven't been to yet. So maybe
something in the works for the future, but it would
be quite a bit of work to kind of continuously
maintain that. You know, there is an interest for people
to want to visit other haunted locations as they're going
to Mineral Point, dur Green Bay or Wassaw, like they
want to see weird stuff on the way. And that's
what we did. On the way to Rylander and Jeff
and I stopped at ed Dean's grave, in Plainfield. We
stopped at the world's largest potato mash shirt in Plover.
Jeff just did a video about the first Tombstone Pisa restaurant.
I forgot where it was Medford was going.
Speaker 3: It's just I've been through that many times. I've been
passed that bar where it was found. I love that
video that he did. I'm like, yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, well, you know, there really
are spots along the route. You know, you could get
off the highway for maybe five to ten minutes, learn
a thing or two. Maybe you drive twenty minutes and
it's nothing, but it's like at least you kind of
like had that you know, joy of the journey. As
they always say, the joy is in the journey, now
the destination. But we certainly had a great joy in
reaching Ryanlander once we got there.
Speaker 3: Matter. It was so good to see you guys there.
It was such a such a great weekend. Do do
you think, I mean, you've lived in this state longer
than I do. Do you think Wisconsin is weirder than
most states?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Do you think all states are fairly weird? And we
just have been a leafy so we notice it.
Speaker 2: You know, I think we're well known for a few
weird things, like we've got our serial killers, which were
well known for infamous for you know that the Packers
as like winning as they are, it's a weird franchise.
I mean, we're the only team that is owned by
the people, right, that's weird. There's a lot of just weird.
There's a lot of weird things across the States, but
we don't have a lot of like iconic weird things
outside of like again the serial killers that people are
going to come here to see. We don't have like
a Waverley Hills sanitarium where people from across the country
are gonna come to investigate. So I like to say,
there's just a lot of like weird different things that
you have to really kind of care about the history
of the state to understand. But the more that I
like post on social media and and do videos and
make connections with people like you and Jeff, It's like
I'm learning more and more every time I talk to people.
And you know, every day I've got people suggesting like,
why don't you look into this? And I had no
idea about that. You know, I've got just like a
huge catalog of stories that I want to research and
visit and understand more. But the more I do stuff,
it's like I can't care about everything. So it's just
like it's becomes overwhelming. Dean, you know, that's that's what
it comes down to.
Speaker 3: I bet I'm far more normally my new little web
thing I've started, which I might even talk about Yetcause
I haven't ropped any episodes bad. I'm normally very centered
on the shav of Palmers stuff. So all my attention
for literally almost over three years now, has has been
pointing at that. You know what you need, you need
like you need a grant from like the Wisconsin Tourist
Division or something to have like haunted Wisconsin Carmen, you know,
weird Wisconsin. These are the things, right, They're not. There
aren't two respaces here yet, but the whole I mean,
Ryan Land is a classic example of the community that's
pulled together to to put something on the books. With
the Hoedagg the Beast of Bray Road has got to
be one of the most famous individual cryptid sidings in
the United States of America. There's haunted locations out the
ying yang As you know better than I do so.
I just I just think it needs maybe that extra push. Yeah,
the wisconsinis Bureau or whoever they are should be should
be encouraging you to bring in the weird tourism.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and I think it's either people embrace
it or they think it's a disgrace. And there's a
few places I've reached out to where it's like, nope,
no ghosts, there's nothing here. And I'm like, are you sure,
because I've read a lot of stories and like just
me come in. You know, I'm gonna be tasteful about it.
I'm not gonna be like Zach Begins, like there's demons
crawling through the walls. It's it's And that's why I
always kind of approach it with like a middle of
the road mindset, like it could be haunted. I've heard
the stories, let me find out for myself. Whereas you know,
you've got the paranormal groups that are like all vested
up with their gear and looks like they're going to
go fight a battle. It's like, let's just let's just
like maintain a level of normal normalness here, right, you know,
ghosts are as normal as human beings. They were people
once the stories like the Beasts of Bray Road, it's
just a story. Let's just go like try to understand
it more and discover what's going on. So that's what
it is. Just be normal about it and just be
you know, a regular person and just just have like
a sense of exploration about it versus just like being
after it because it's super duper weird or haunted.
Speaker 3: You know, I think you're an excellent ambassador for that position.
And I also think, I really do that you're an
excellent ambassador for weird tourism to this state. And I
think I think somebody should pay more attention to the
potential to encourage tourism to spooky areas in this state.
Because I'll be honest, I asked you the question before.
I think Wisconsin is a particularly weird place. I think
that's what encourage me to do Talking Weed and to
do Midwest Weed Fest. There was something about this I
just heard more whacked out stories than I'd ever heard
anywhere on this planet. It just seems loaded with so
much strangeness. People who are interested in the paranormal could
come here and cryptos and everything else. I think can
spend literally years here. But even a two week holiday
just touring the state to hit some of these destinations
would be absolutely incredible. I do have to ask you,
because I stopped you telling me the story when we
were sitting in the green room before the show about
why you don't do your show, why you went to
a show like this when you're being interviewed, why you
want to do it, I guess in your living room
or downstairs, and why you want to do it in
your office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is my downstairs living room. I don't
normally like to do things here. I have a nice
office upstairs with a computer in lights and a microphone.
But I think I've learned my lesson that anytime I
try to do something in there, the ghosts associated with
their house prevents things from going smoothly. I was on
a podcast a couple about a month ago. Now, actually
she records it ahead of time and then it airs
a different date, but we were recording for like five minutes.
Computer goes dead, microphone goes off, the internet goes out,
and so it actually went so haywire in my office.
We had to schedule a second date to re record,
and I did it in our kitchen because whenever I'm
trying to do something technical or focus on something in
my office, the ghost just has her way with me.
So it's like, I'm not risking it anymore, Dean, I'm
going to do it in a place where I know
she's not gonna bother me. But she's, I don't know,
maybe just letting me know it's her space. So yeah,
it's not like a frequent occurrence. I would say we
could have years without seeing something or experiencing something. But
whenever I'm trying to do something like this, it's just
like a wall goes up and it's like, no, you're not.
Speaker 3: Wow. Well that gets your attention, I guess, and that
might be the whole purpose of it. We have a
question for you from Squatch Mama. He's Squatch Mama. She's
a regular viewer of the channel. It's nice to have
you here. She asks, do any of the reports overlap
with other phenomena like a lots UFOs, hauntings, missing time,
like you see this cross pollination of weirdness.
Speaker 2: I've seen a cross between UFOs in natural disasters. Actually,
now that's like not typically my area of expertise, like
the alien side of things, but Spotty COWI yet there
is a story I tell in the Waukesha Ghost Walks
where there was a night I believe in nineteen ninety
two where there were a huge amount of UFO sightings
in Waukesha, all across the same spot in town. And
then in the Philippines was of volcanic eruptions. And there
was an author who put out a book I believe
it was called Through Alien Eyes. I can't remember the
author for the life of me, but he believed that
the UFO sightings in Waukesha and those volcanic eruptions were
somehow linked. He believes that perhaps like the aliens were
here as like a pit stop, you know, if we
want to call it informally, and they felt the the
seismic activity happening. And I don't know what reason it
may be, but they were interested in those volcanoes. And
what's bizarre about this is that around that same time,
Waukesha actually did have an earthquake, very very small, but
there was some very minimal seismic activity that took place
in Waukesha, and it was again in about ninety two
ninety three. So you can look that up for yourself
and do some further research, but I have seen a
connection between natural like weather or natural disasters and UFO activity.
As far as everything else, I know, I have seen
a connection between like lightning and rain and paranormal activity
specifically in this house. There's been a few things that
have been tied to weather related activity. But as far
as like other cryptids like Bigfoot, haven't heard a tremendous
amount about that. But again, it seems like the natural
things that happened throughout our world do seem to make
the thing has come out and play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think there seems to be an overlap
of a lot of these things. Squetch Mama had a
follow up question for you, asking have you ever considered
doing a full investigation of the Rock Lake Pyramids? Need
Lake Meals. Just met a young man from there yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's on my list, so that's a big one on
my list. And actually right next to that lake is
where the woman who is the ghost of our house
is buried, so she's latten outre and I visited and
that was kind of creepy being there, and you know,
like you've experienced this woman for yourself. But yes, I
do have quite a bit of research about the Rock
Lake Pyramids. Ready to go. I just had to find
a time this summer to get out. You know, Lake
Mills is such a cute town. I love being there.
You know. We go to Tyriannina, the brewery that's there,
and I want to do a story about the Rock
Lake Pyramids. If people have not heard about.
Speaker 3: That, it's can you tell us? Because I don't know
about the Rook Lake Pyramids, Can you tell us a
little bit about that?
Speaker 2: So you know about Astalan? Correct?
Speaker 3: Yes, I do know about Astalin.
Speaker 2: Very close to Lake Mills, but the I don't know
how far back it goes, but I believe it was
twenties thirties forties. There were two young men that found
pyramid like structures in the bottom of this lake in
Lake Mills.
Speaker 3: Oh I saw, I did I saw any What's that?
Who's the He was at a convention I was at recently.
The guy who does that on Earthed America or something
show that he wrote the X what's his name, Scott Walter?
I think, Oh, sure, I did an episode. But I'm sorry,
cud Of, But you tell the story anyway because it's
a fascinating story.
Speaker 2: Well, so basically that's what it is. There's pyramids at
the bottom of the lake, or at least they think
there used to be, and they believe that they were
built by the Native American population that used to be
in this area. You know, we've got the Cokia stories
with Astalan and very close again to Lake Mills, So
they believe it's some sort of either Aztec or Cohokia
ancestors before there was a lake there, or maybe while
there was a lake there, built these very small pyramids
in the bottom of the lake. And there has been
some underwater archaeologists that have done further research on it,
and I believe there are either drawings or pictures somewhere
online that make you believe that there are some ruins
of the pyramids that still exist. But in addition to
the the pyramids, I do believe there is a lake
monster associated with that property too. Like that is.
Speaker 3: Wow, It's funny. Jeff was only talking about wanting to
go to Devil's Lake maybe this coming weekend, and I
didn't think that I could probably, but that's what I've
been there before. Devil's Lake is another lake monster lake
here have you done? Because I haven't watched all of
your videos obviously, there's so many. Have you Donna at
lake Monster Wnald, you have a lake monster one in
Wisconsin that you're you're thinking about looking into?
Speaker 2: One way, Yes, one moment, sure, one thing to take
care of. There is a story I can talk.
Speaker 3: I can talk for a moment. If you want, you
take care of that, I'll talk. Devil's Lake is I
don't know, a couple of hours to the south of
where I am, and in in a Native American First
people history, there was meant to be a creature in
that lake like people were meant to I think there
were stories about braves paddling across the lake and something
down below dragging them and all the horses who were
with them into the bottom of the lake. And obviously
John Keele talked at some length about when a place
has a title with devil in it's it's in its
title only means people have seen creepy things. I was
only telling my daughter today when we were at her
eye doctor's appointment. We were waiting for the drops which
they put in to dilate the pupils to take effect.
We were talking about trips we wanted to do, and
Devil's Lake was one of them, and she remembered reading
in I think Robert Robinson's book, I have it here.
She was reading the other day, the Legend Tripping book.
She remembered reading about some creature and I think Arkansas
or Missouri or somewhere in there, which was I think
it was in like Devil's Cavern or Devon's Devil's Hole
or something. And so she put two and two together
and said, there's another crypto that lives in this one.
But anyway, back back to you and back to lake
monster potentialities for your show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's actually one in Waukesha, very similar to
the one in Lake Mills. I just did a video
about this when the Fox River flooded back about a
month ago. But there was the story of this lake
Lockness mini Locksness looking monster called the what the heck
was his name? I always mess it up, the manateeo Manatto.
It's a Native American name, which I always butcher. So
I always just I don't want to do it a disservice.
But there was a story about this green horned serpent
that the Native Americans believed lived in the Fox River,
and they said that if you got too close to
the river or somehow it lured you to the river banks,
it would grab you and take you to his underwater
layer and kill you. And this obviously probably went on
for centuries, as those people were living here for very long.
But then when the Slavic European immigrants came over to
Waukesha from that part of the world, they had a
very similar story about this man that they called the waterman,
and he was a seven foot tall man dressed in
all black that had a huts near the river, and
he would lure you to the river banks, kill you,
and then dispose of you in the river. And so
what I always found very intriguing about these two stories
is that you've got different cultures telling stories about why
so many people are dying near the Fox River. And
so anytime the Fox River floods in Waukesha, I'm like,
this is a perfect time two to tell the story
about these two things. And every time I tell it,
people just go nuts. And I think I had a
million and a half views on that video, and so
it's just like, I don't get it why people love
cryptids so much, because I Dean, I used to hate
cryptids until three or four years ago. And the more
I tell these stories, I'm like, people love them and
I don't know why, because it's not a ghost. Like
a ghost I can see, I can experience, I can feel,
but it's like a cryptid. Is it real? Is it not?
I don't know. So it's like it's just fascinating.
Speaker 3: I think it's the monster aspect of it, maybe, you
know what I mean. Like I know, as a kid
growing up, you know, in the seventies and the eighties,
then at least cryptids were part of that whole kind
of monster aesthetic. There was the you know, the repopularization
of universal monsters, and you could get the monster movie kits,
and there was also you know, six Million Dollar Man
had Bigfoot on it, and Lennard Nimoy was talking about
Sasquatch and Bigfoot, and you know, the whndigo would appear
in you know, Hulk comics, and if you were interested
in the weird or in popular culture, not necessarily like nonfiction,
but fictional popular culture, there was a crossover and it
felt somehow, I think it's still the case. I think
we've always had this fascination with monsters, and so I do. Yeah,
I think you doing cryptid videos and things will will
will always be incredibly popular, and those numbers you were
talking about before, it's just phenomenal. It's so well deserved.
I'm so glad that you're getting those kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And you know, I went to the Beast of Brave
Road property. Jeff invited me for a cookouts sort of thing. Yes, yep,
and I was just like that stupid that doesn't exist,
it's not real. But the evidence that I saw by
the gentleman that's been doing the research there for I
don't know decades, I let that property be like, there's
something here. Wow, there has to be something here. There's
no way all of this has taken place. And I
think the Beast of ray Road is really what changed
my opinion on cryptids because I have had a big
foot encounter. I've seen this evidence from Beasts of ray Road.
You know, people love the goat man, the hod egg
and the creature that's hiding in the Fox River. It's like,
maybe there is more to this, and even if there isn't,
people love it just as much as I love telling
the stories. So it's like, okay, let's just see what
else there is to explore, you know, let's go visit
a mothman or a batman or a mineral point vampire
or the sanddown clown. Like it's just all these different things.
It's like there has to be some truth to these stories,
you know, otherwise people would not be telling them for
this lot.
Speaker 3: I agree, and I don't think there's necessarily as big
a difference between hauntings and cryptid encounters that we maybe
have traditionally believed. I think that people with interest in
Fortyana have tended traditionally at least to go and look
only at their realm. So ghost hunters have looked at
the ghosts. UFO people have looked at the UFOs. Cryptid
people have looked at the cryptids. But often you see
this cross pollination or this connection between the phenomena, and
sometimes it's as obvious as like as bizarre as it
set sounds like a big foot walking out of the UFO,
or perhaps not quite as bizarre sounding. Somebody has a
contact with with a UFO or contact with a mothman
or that type of crypti, and then their house picks
up this kind of supernatural ghost like activity. And I
think one of the I think one of the failures
of people in any of these communities is that. I
think it's changing, but I think traditionally they haven't looked
at other aspects. And John Keel, for example, one of
the things Kill did, the author of the Mothman prophecies.
I knew John. I mean I spent a very small
amount of time with him, but I knew him briefly.
One of his I think great contributions to the field
was when he would interview witnesses of strange phenomenon, which
is in his space was normally UFOs or mothman or
you know those type of things. But whenever he interviewed
anybody he'd seen a monster or a ufo or whatever,
he would ask, have you had any other strange experiences?
And that wasn't traditionally something that nightcap or muthon or
you know, you know, some parapsychological organization made of asks.
And then he started to realize, well, this person is
a multi experience. They saw, you know, a moth man,
and then their house was seen to be plagued by
you know, paraphysical or you know, some type of ghostly
phenomena after that. And so I think that I think
when we I think when we look a little bit broader,
we see these things aren't so connected. And Bray Roads
a great example, I think, because it's if you believe
that the Beast of Bray Road is some physical, cryptid,
some wolfman that's breeding there and having when you go there,
you know, that's just not a feasible reality. There isn't
a population in the Bray Road area of wolf people
breeding and going like These stories go back, you know,
decades and decades and decades, So it seems like it
might be more paraphysical as well. It seems like it
might be closer to a haunting than to a wild
like to an actual wolf. And that's that's my take
on that. Is that something that when you're looking at
these things that you're starting to say, hey, there's there's
there's a weirdness here to the Beast of Brainroad. It
doesn't just seem like it's a wolf in the woods.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's no, one hundred percent, it's not. I
think it's either something extraterrestrial or there has to be
some sort of portal there, which I have experienced portals before.
There is a way that this thing, whatever it is,
is coming in and out with such elusiveness without being caught,
you know, only being seen for all this time, I
think that there is a way that's transporting that we
don't understand, and we're not supposed to understand. But with
the amount of evidence I've seen with that creature at
that spot, it left me. I left that night being like,
there there is definitely something here, and it's not just
a werewolf, you know, it's it's something far beyond that.
There's something we're not going to be able to comprehend,
you know, like like the afterlife. It's something you'll never comprehend.
And to actually like go to that spot and it's
it was so fascinating that people flock there to see
it or experience it and think they're to see a werewolf.
But it's like you're gonna get lucky if you see it.
Speaker 3: You know, we're actually almost at the very end. But
I have a few more minutes if you do. I
remiss if I didn't ask you, because you said in
passing that you had a bigfoot experience. I've never heard
your bigfoot experience.
Speaker 2: I think I was telling Jeff at the hod Egg Festival.
But I'll try to make it as brief as I can.
Speaker 3: But you can take as much time or as little
time as you want, entirely up to you.
Speaker 2: It was two thousand and six, if people are familiar
with the Holy Hill Bigfoot sightings. I was hunting about
forty minutes southwest of that in near Eagle, Wisconsin, and
it was state hunting land. And I was kind of
walking through a path on the woods, and to my
left was this small ridge where it kind of like
went up. You could take three or four steps up
it and then go back down to the gully. But
I was walking, you know, just kind of browsing. Occasionally
there was a deer or another hunter around, and all of
a suddenly I this smell hits my nostrils, like the
absolute smelliest smell in the world. I have never smelled
anything that remotely disgusting in my life. And when I look,
I hear this rustling through the trees, and then I
see this tall, brown blur mass of something sprinting through
the woods faster than an Olympic sprinter, Like it was
the fastest thing I've ever seen in my life, and
it moved so quick. But what I distinctively remember seeing
is that there was like some sort of like neon
like underwear around its midsection. It looked like it had
like stolen a neon vest off of a construction site
and tied it around its waist like some crude underpants.
Speaker 3: Almost it was.
Speaker 2: Those were the specific detail, as I remember, was a smell,
the quickness, and then that neon best. It was so weird,
And two days later, around the same area, without meat
telling anybody, my dad had the exact same experience smell,
seeing this very fast creature and then seeing that bizarre
like neon flash. And the reason I hadn't a lot
of faith that it wasn't a deer is because if
you've been deer hunting, you've seen white tailed deer in Wisconsin.
When they run away, they kind of like hop, not
as much as a bunny, but they kind of like jump,
and they have a white tail that pops up. And
this was not present. And this thing was honestly dean
eight feet tall. It was massive, and it moved so quick,
and I just like stood there like what did I
just see? And my gut reaction said, this is somehow
connected to those Holy Hill sidings where hunters had their
deer are stolen out of the pickup of their truck
and then for somebody else close to me to see
the same thing, and it's just like, what are the odds?
What else could that have been?
Speaker 3: You know, that's crazy that your dad saw that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he you know, he many believes in ghosts.
You know, isn't a fantastical storyteller. You know, he's not
going to make up this elaborate lie. But even if
you did, how would it match the details of what
I saw?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: That's it there, That's an incredible, incredible story. I hope
you do do more cryptid episodes. I think there is definitely,
you know, a market out there and people are interested
in them. But your your book is fascinating and with
Wisconsin is fascinating.
Speaker 1: There you guys can put it.
Speaker 2: Up for you then that's easier to see.
Speaker 3: And people can get that at Amazon. I've got the
link in the show notes, so it's you can probably
go Google, or you could just go on Amazon and
look for the Ghosts of Walker Shore. Is that where
you prefer them to go to get it? Or is
there anywhere else?
Speaker 2: I prefer if they buy it from me.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, send me the link and I'll change it
as soon as the show finishes, send me the link.
Speaker 2: And no, I mean like physically come and see me.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can buy it off Amazon. That's probably easiest
for everybody, but if you're in Waukesha, hit me up
on social media, will meet up in person because it
Amazon takes so much your money.
Speaker 3: Right, so right, And of course I'll also have the
link to to your link tree where they can just
click through to see Weird Wisconsin on various sites. But you,
as you said before, if they just go to a
TikTok or to Facebook or YouTube, they can just pretty
much search weed Wisconsin and I'll find you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should pop up, the better, it's better.
Speaker 3: Well regardless, they can go. And just if you're wherever
you're watching or listening to this, it will be in
the show notes. Josh, it was an incredib incredible pleasure
to talk to you, as it always is. You're such
a You're such a great guest. I want to get
you on before maybe it will be Halloween again, maybe
to do another Halloween.
Speaker 2: Then we'll do a Halloween show again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope to see you at UFO Days,
which we were talking about potentially both getting to we
could do it. Maybe one day we'll do a weird
Wisconsin UFO episode with you, because there's actually three UFO
Capitals of the world in Wisconsin, and Elmwood is one
of them.
Speaker 2: Apparently, we've got so much weird stuff it's gonna take
years to document all of it, so we'll get there eventually, hopefully.
Speaker 3: That's fantastic, man. Well, thank you so much for talking
to me tonight. And until I get to talk to
you again, which hopefully will be in the very near future, Josh,
And until I get to talk to everybody else out there,
which will probably be even sooner because it will be
same weird time, nine pm Central next Thursday, same weird network,
the untold Radio Network, and that's nine pm Central. Please
keep it weird.