Speaker 1: I need to preface this conversation by saying I was
Speaker 1: I never got Pee Peewee. I never got it. I
Speaker 1: don't hate him, I don't. I'm not a hater on him.
Speaker 1: I just never got into it and wasn't really my thing.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate the character and what he you know,
Speaker 1: what he built out of his mind into a character.
Speaker 1: But now there's a Pee Wee Herman documentary, Pee Myself?
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? Pee as Himself?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's streaming and you guys both watched it
Speaker 1: over the weekend.
Speaker 3: What do you think, jb uh, It's it's really impressive.
Speaker 3: First of all, you I think one of the first
Speaker 3: takeaways is you realize what a genius artist he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You don't think of it that way. You just think
Speaker 3: of it as a guy who's goofing and stumbled into this.
Speaker 2: But he was.
Speaker 3: He was a true artist, and you know, and he
Speaker 3: was part of Groundlings, which is a lot about creating
Speaker 3: characters grounds the Chicago La La Improv troup, and that's
Speaker 3: how he got I always wondered how he got connected
Speaker 3: with Phil Hartman. We're talking about that because they were
Speaker 3: in Groundlings together and he did a lot of different characters,
Speaker 3: and then that was the one that took off. He's
Speaker 3: so likable, I said to my wife yesterday. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I would have really liked to have been friends with
Speaker 3: Paul Rubins. But he was such a he was a
Speaker 3: very introverted artist, Like we didn't know anything about him personally,
Speaker 3: really because he intentionally kept it that way in it also,
Speaker 3: And I'd love your thoughts on that trich. It was
Speaker 3: kind of it was very sad. His existence was was
Speaker 3: quite sad. And then the accusations, well there's the incident
Speaker 3: in the theater and the accusations of child pornography, which
Speaker 3: were not true.
Speaker 2: Right at all.
Speaker 3: He was a he was an avid collector of many, many, many,
Speaker 3: many random things really many like warehouses full of them.
Speaker 3: And one of those things just happened to be like
Speaker 3: male erotica type stuff.
Speaker 2: Magazines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were going through all this stuff and
Speaker 3: it they made it. It's just the public eye reads
Speaker 3: the headlines. They don't know the rest of the story.
Speaker 3: And so everyone kind of wrote him off as a
Speaker 3: pedophile to a certain degree, right, Well, the character you
Speaker 3: played didn't help, Yeah, but people loved him. I'm one
Speaker 3: of those people that just loved him, you know, for
Speaker 3: what he had created. And even after all of that,
Speaker 3: you know, there's some acceptance he could see that people
Speaker 3: loved him. I don't know, it's just the whole thing's
Speaker 3: just it's just a bit of a tragedy. It's just
Speaker 3: really really sad.
Speaker 1: I have a question and you guys, I want to
Speaker 1: hear what you thought about the doctor Tutors. But he
Speaker 1: is he one of those guys that found himself living
Speaker 1: the character, like because he would do the talk Circuit
Speaker 1: as p as pee Wee, he never did it as
Speaker 1: Paul Rubens. So did he find himself it was it
Speaker 1: difficult for him to detach from pee Wee Herman and
Speaker 1: be Paul Rubens? Or was he just constantly live in
Speaker 1: the pee Wee characters. That's a good question. I let
Speaker 1: you answer that, Trician.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically what happened is he had he created
Speaker 5: He was so creative. He created hundreds of different characters.
Speaker 5: When he was in the Groundlings, he would come up
Speaker 5: with all these characters. He had a chance to go
Speaker 5: in audition for SNL and he picked a few of
Speaker 5: his characters and they didn't hit. He didn't get the job.
Speaker 5: Somebody else got the job. Who is it who got
Speaker 5: the job? The loud little guy Gilbert Godfrey got the
Speaker 5: job instead.
Speaker 2: Paul Rubins would have been better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too, But at that time, his
Speaker 5: pee Wee character was getting some traction. So after he
Speaker 5: didn't get SNL, he scrapped all of the other characters
Speaker 5: that he created and focused only on pee Wee and
Speaker 5: he only did interviews as pee Wee because it was
Speaker 5: a way to also keep his anonymity. And the first
Speaker 5: time the public ever saw Paul Rubins not as pee
Speaker 5: Wee Herman was his mug shot for when he got he.
Speaker 3: Could have he could have easily cruised around in the
Speaker 3: general public and people wouldn't know who he was, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh that's probably pretty nice, right.
Speaker 5: And at the time that he got busted, he's like,
Speaker 5: here I go from being the Saturday Morning Kids host,
Speaker 5: pee Wee Herman, the man child, and then my mugshot
Speaker 5: makes me look like Charles Manson because he had a
Speaker 5: goatee in long black along brown hair.
Speaker 2: His hair was very long, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was terrible.
Speaker 1: That's why I've always thought it was JB's so important
Speaker 1: for us to be really honest on the radio. I
Speaker 1: always used to think, well, by getting a bar fight
Speaker 1: and putting some guy out, it shows up in the
Speaker 1: front page the Austin Marriage surprised.
Speaker 3: If I did something perverted, right, Yeah, people would not
Speaker 3: be surprised with all the things I've said on the air,
Speaker 3: right exactly.
Speaker 5: The other thing that was so sad about him having
Speaker 5: to he concealed it because he went in anonymity, but
Speaker 5: also he concealed his sexuality. He was like, if they
Speaker 5: find out that I'm a children's TV show host, you know.
Speaker 3: And gay, and yeah, keep in mind he was born
Speaker 3: in the fifties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so accepting.
Speaker 3: He Yeah, he grew up where you know, being gay was,
Speaker 3: you were still in the closet.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Working, Yeah, a lot of young gay people don't realize
Speaker 1: how hard it was back then. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: easy now, right, but back then it was really hard.
Speaker 5: He was out for a while in the seventies, and
Speaker 5: then when he we hit and it was a children's show,
Speaker 5: he actively He's like, in here, I put myself right
Speaker 5: back in the closet and was really kind of alone
Speaker 5: for years. He sacrificed his personal life and happiness for
Speaker 5: his career and the character for a long time.
Speaker 2: Another part I thought was interesting, like.
Speaker 3: He genuinely loved the building an entertaining children's show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like he was passionate about it and thought it was
Speaker 3: great and creative and fun and like it was. It
Speaker 3: was not just oh, I want to be famous? Did
Speaker 3: you feel that way?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 3: He really wanted to be a you know, a well
Speaker 3: thought of children's.
Speaker 5: Show, right, And he gave one thousand percent for every week.
Speaker 5: And he was not good at delegating out. He was
Speaker 5: very hands on, kind of controlling, like even when the
Speaker 5: guy who's doing this documentary is talking to him, like
Speaker 5: Paul Rubins is talking about how it's not okay with
Speaker 5: me that I don't have control of this documentary, and
Speaker 5: he's like, I to one hundred percent trust you yet,
Speaker 5: but I don't like it that I don't know what
Speaker 5: you're doing next. Like he was very vocal about this
Speaker 5: is not normally how I work. And the craziest thing, too,
Speaker 5: is the guy make this documentary didn't even know that
Speaker 5: he was sick, and the final interview that they were
Speaker 5: supposed to have with him was actually scheduled for one
Speaker 5: week after Paul Ribbins died and the guy doing the
Speaker 5: documentary didn't find He found out like all the rest
Speaker 5: of us did on an Instagram post.
Speaker 2: He had no idea who was sick. He died of
Speaker 2: two different types of cancer.
Speaker 1: Would as I started this conversation with saying that I was,
Speaker 1: I would never end up pee wee. So would I
Speaker 1: still enjoy watching it documentary?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, maybe it's just it's just an interesting to
Speaker 3: know of a career in a path to fame and yeah,
Speaker 3: and all of that, and then the fallout and dealing
Speaker 3: with that. It's it's a human story. Yeah, and the
Speaker 3: comeback that he made and doing some acting as Paul
Speaker 3: Rubens and then he finally did do his first interview
Speaker 3: as Paul was was that on Letterman or Letting?
Speaker 2: It was Letterman or Conan?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came out and he did one as in
Speaker 3: the crowd goes crazy.
Speaker 2: They loved him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And in the middle of him being persecuted for the
Speaker 5: dirty movie theater arrest, there were crowds outside of CBS
Speaker 5: because they canceled a show and they were protesting, we
Speaker 5: don't care, bring him back. He's human, Bring save pee Wee.
Speaker 5: People were going, that's how much people loved the character.
Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, it was good. I mean I think
Speaker 2: it helps.
Speaker 5: I think you'd like it more if you were if
Speaker 5: you loved pee Wee like I loved him.
Speaker 2: And tell me tell me the name of the of
Speaker 2: the documentary again, pee Wee as himself. One of the
Speaker 2: things that was interesting too is.
Speaker 3: Somebody was interviewing Phil Hartman talking about it and there
Speaker 3: was some bad blood there. Oh, and I think it
Speaker 3: was tell me if I'm if I got this right, Tricia. Basically,
Speaker 3: you know they came from groundlings. He was on the
Speaker 3: show with him, Laurence Fishburne, who we talked about before.
Speaker 3: But it's it's like he got big with the movie
Speaker 3: deals and didn't take Phil Hartman along with him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there was some resentment like he blew up and
Speaker 3: he didn't take Phil, who was there from the beginning
Speaker 3: with him. Now, it worked out fine for Phil Hartman
Speaker 3: to get SNL right eventually, but there was some bad
Speaker 3: blood there.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 1: Interesting pee Wee as himself. It's streaming on HBO Max HBO.
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called now?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think Eye Consciousness Max on my TV.
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Speaker 1: by his wife and spent the weekend doing something he
Speaker 1: didn't want to do. We're going to get into that
Speaker 1: in just a second. I know what it's like to
Speaker 1: get overruled. It's just that has somehow you just get overruled.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it happens, but it does. But
Speaker 1: before we get into that, JB, you're the first person
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Speaker 4: I bought. I accidentally bought two of them.
Speaker 1: No, I bought two American Eagle twenty twenty five one
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Speaker 1: the mint in West Point, New York, and they debuted
Speaker 1: at the highest price ever for a silver dollar. And
Speaker 1: I meant to buy one, I accidentally bought two and
Speaker 1: I can't cancel and I can't return it.
Speaker 2: How much were they?
Speaker 3: Can?
Speaker 2: I ask that?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 2: I want to know? It can't be that expensive?
Speaker 1: No, they're not that. I mean each coin was ninety
Speaker 1: one dollars, ninety five dollars and it's value on the
Speaker 1: street a dollar. No, how does this work? Well, you
Speaker 1: just play in the market on the price of silver,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I bought two of
Speaker 1: them because I read one article that said they were
Speaker 1: they they viewed the highest ever that a silver coin.
Speaker 1: It's the most they've ever charged for one, So that
Speaker 1: means it'll probably go down. I'm just saying, I've got
Speaker 1: this weird coin thing going on, yeah right now?
Speaker 5: But how did you not notice when you checked out
Speaker 5: that your total wasn't one hundred dollars and it was
Speaker 5: two hundred dollars ambient.
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Speaker 1: we've doubled, we'll have to double the earnings.
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Speaker 5: coins that you ordered it took so long to get
Speaker 5: here because he entered half of our home address in
Speaker 5: the other half of the studio address.
Speaker 2: So how it actually made it here?
Speaker 5: I have no idea, Andy, testament to the United States
Speaker 5: Postal Service.
Speaker 2: Great job, no interest, JB.
Speaker 3: Nah, I think I'm going to pass on that one.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So JB got overruled having to do
Speaker 1: something that he didn't want to do.
Speaker 2: All weekend, I spent my whole weekend painting the inside
Speaker 2: of a house.
Speaker 3: So my daughter has not been enjoying apartment life. She
Speaker 3: just doesn't like it. I thought she'd like all the
Speaker 3: amenities and all that. She's like, Nah, she just wants
Speaker 3: a little more privacy and play louder music and you know,
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And she doesn't like going in and out.
Speaker 3: Of the building. Her actually, her mopead was stolen from
Speaker 3: her apartment and just I don't know, she just didn't
Speaker 3: have a good experience, and so we rented her a
Speaker 3: little house.
Speaker 2: It's in Rosedale. What cute neighborhood. Yea, love it, love it.
Speaker 3: And so here's the good in the bad. Right, So
Speaker 3: anything any home, any actual just physical home. It's not
Speaker 3: a duplex, not a town home.
Speaker 2: It's a house.
Speaker 3: Any house, because of the dirt alone is worth a lot, right,
Speaker 3: So the landlords have a total upper hand.
Speaker 2: There were three college.
Speaker 3: Students living in there before, because it's just Rosdale's just
Speaker 3: close enough to ut and all that. So there were
Speaker 3: three students living there. And it's a tiny, little three
Speaker 3: bedroom you know, the beds barely fit in the rooms,
Speaker 3: but you know they in. The agent that showed it
Speaker 3: to us was very candid and on She was like, look,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I looked at like the estimate,
Speaker 3: you know, the Zillow's estimate for whatever that worth. It's
Speaker 3: like seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and she's renting
Speaker 3: it for a couple of grand a month.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right, not bad, right.
Speaker 3: And the agent was like, look, this woman owns nine
Speaker 3: or ten properties. She's sitting on them for a long time.
Speaker 3: She will make sure everything works, but she's not gonna
Speaker 3: put money into it.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's not gonna do anything cosmetically exactly. So
Speaker 1: make sure the roof doesn't leak, and the yeah as
Speaker 1: she makes the ace, make sure the ac works and
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But uh so, my wife is like, well, if we
Speaker 3: buy the materials and painted ourself, will you deduct that
Speaker 3: from the next month's rent.
Speaker 2: And she said, oh, surekact. And it's made a massive difference.
Speaker 3: Those students living there, they scuffed up every wall and
Speaker 3: there's holes everywhere.
Speaker 2: Like you didn't do the same thing in college.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but it's uh so, I spent
Speaker 3: the whole week in painting and at first I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: let's just hire somebody, you know, and then it's like
Speaker 3: trying to save some money. My wife loves stuff like this,
Speaker 3: and I asked her about it. I go, do you
Speaker 3: just like taking your brain off of things? You know
Speaker 3: what I mean, to take your mind off of things
Speaker 3: and just man annual labor.
Speaker 2: She loves it. I, on.
Speaker 3: The other hand, can walk around without thoughts quite often.
Speaker 5: That's something like you're blessed you, that's a blessing.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not out there seeking that tuning out if you will,
Speaker 3: because I do it often.
Speaker 2: You're trying to tune in most of the time, stay exactly.
Speaker 3: But I avoided a lot of the painting that because
Speaker 3: I just there were so many leaves that it was
Speaker 3: attracting mosquito.
Speaker 2: I was obsessive. I was like, I'll do the yard stuff.
Speaker 3: So I spent a good chunk of the weekend, especially Saturday,
Speaker 3: just bagging leaves and getting all that stuff out there
Speaker 3: and sprain for mosquitos and pressure washing.
Speaker 2: The little patio and yeah.
Speaker 3: So and then when all that stuff ran out, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh crap, I guess I gotta go.
Speaker 2: And she is just such a perfectionist too.
Speaker 3: I I did like I was doing the rollers and
Speaker 3: she would do the trim, and she's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have by you know, Sunday evening.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm gonna have to go back and roll
Speaker 2: over some parts.
Speaker 3: Miss Well, I didn't miss them entirely, it's just needs
Speaker 3: some some there. You can tell where there's layers, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's gonna redo half of what I did, I think,
Speaker 3: But but.
Speaker 1: At some point you go knock yourself out. I did
Speaker 1: my best, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I'm now I'm cleaning up what remains. We
Speaker 3: have some overlap, which is nice, you know we have
Speaker 3: We had her apartment through June and then got this
Speaker 3: in June, so we have time right now. The next
Speaker 3: thing is getting all you know, paint splatters off the floor,
Speaker 3: not from us, from previous stuff.
Speaker 2: It's been caked on there for a long time. How
Speaker 2: many trips to home depot do you have to make
Speaker 2: this week?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know, Luckily is she in that
Speaker 3: neighborhood Rosedale. She's not far from breeding Company on twenty nine.
Speaker 3: Love that store, you know, not the cheapest, but it's convenient.
Speaker 3: It's great. But yeah, several trips to breeding company. By
Speaker 3: the way, did you know, I don't know if they
Speaker 3: do it at the breeding company in Westlake? Did they
Speaker 3: do it at the one by campus? Sell Antone sandwiches
Speaker 3: really remember we used to get those off Industrial in Dallas.
Speaker 3: It's really a people from Houston are all obsessed with
Speaker 3: Anton sandwiches, at least of our Yeah, they saw them
Speaker 3: at HGV.
Speaker 2: Love me some Antone put on it. Yeah, you like
Speaker 2: a couple of those. This weekend.
Speaker 4: Christ Have you ever live in that neighborhood in Rosedale?
Speaker 2: You lived everywhere else.
Speaker 5: Right, No, Rosedale's one of the ones I didn't lived in.
Speaker 5: I lived right on the other side of Mopac in Terrytown. Yeah,
Speaker 5: lived in a couple of houses over there, a couple
Speaker 5: of garage apartments, Terry.
Speaker 3: Rosedale's super cute. You guess, like everything's within a few
Speaker 3: blocks of her.
Speaker 2: M hm, that's good.
Speaker 3: You got Central Market, you got a People's Pharmacy, you
Speaker 3: got Rudy's Barbecue, You've got uchiko Is in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember Draft Horse Pub?
Speaker 4: Got that Chili's too, chili the world famous chili's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a Chili's right there at forty fifth
Speaker 2: in Guadaloupe. Right.
Speaker 1: You know why that's popular, right, that the memes about
Speaker 1: that chili because someone there was some article that was
Speaker 1: written about the best margarita in Austin, and someone said
Speaker 1: it was at that chili. Oh, come on, that's how
Speaker 1: dumb they were with someone in.
Speaker 2: New York tell me one of the best fried onions.
Speaker 1: Not a market, right, But that's why it became such
Speaker 1: a meme, that chili, because it's like, yeah, the best
Speaker 1: margarita in Texas is at Chili's in Rosedale.
Speaker 2: Sure it is, Sure it is.
Speaker 3: But it's like such a cute neighborhood. And you know
Speaker 3: when you when it's your daughter, you want them to
Speaker 3: live somewhere, do you feel it's Yeah, And it's a
Speaker 3: bunch of young families that have fixed up some of
Speaker 3: those great old homes.
Speaker 2: Super cute. That's super cute. Love it.
Speaker 3: Garage, no garage, no garage, but she I mean there's
Speaker 3: a little gravel drive she can pull in and park
Speaker 3: park on the street.
Speaker 2: To love it.
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