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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingyona Show. Ron

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Dodson's back. Hey Ron, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I mean you know there's nothing going on in

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the world, Pete. We just figured I figure we'd talk

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hockey today.

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Speaker 2: We can do that. We can do that. I can

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do that. For hours.

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Speaker 1: I think people have people have found out recently that

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I can do that for hours. I want to say

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that your episode that isn't public yet with Jay Burden

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talking about exactly how you would make a nuke almost almost,

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but how what it takes to get to a nuke

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is very good and I hope people when that drops

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on Jay Burdens feed people listen to that because I

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think there's a lot of really good information there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I I actually study that in undergrad under

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the great late Herb Simon, who was a Nobel Peace

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Prize winner and was with RAND and DARPA and was

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some of the game theory intellect behind mad theory, mutually

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sure destruction theory and anti ballistic missile treaty that was

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signed with the Russians. And so I actually studied personally

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under Herb Simon and that's kind of my background in that.

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So it's been a long, long term passion of mine

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and I really appreciate the kind words it was. Jay

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helped move what was a very technical topic. He helped

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move it along and hopefully it's not too boring for folks.

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Speaker 2: No, Pilo wasn't in the car yesterday. It was fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Oh thanks, man, I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, we it's been I think a month

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since we talked to I ran and uh yeah, well

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here we go.

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Speaker 3: It's well, yeah, I think the I've written a couple

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of I've got a piece coming out for Claremont on

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probably Tuesday that I wrote about a week and.

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Speaker 2: A half ago.

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Speaker 3: And then I got a piece coming out on Easter

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Sunday for Responsible state Craft, and and and on. I've been,

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you know, skeptical from last spring about any attack on

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Iran because it because of their or a host of reasons,

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but but mainly because they have all the advantages in

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this and that's just been born out. And that's I

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take no pleasure in being right about that. I'm an American,

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I'm a I'm a proud American. I want us to succeed,

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even I'll admit even when we're wrong. You know, I

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think we're wrong in this case. I think there's there's

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we've almost ventured into the realm of being the bad

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guys in this case. But we can talk about the

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metaphysical issues in a bit. I think to come up

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to speed. I think the cleanest way to frame where

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we are right this moment is is this the the

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tactical picture is getting worse for Washington, and those whom

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we for better or worse have our saddles. Hitch two,

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even though we retain overwhelming destructive capacity. And the biggest

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development to day is we have an F fifteen to

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E So that's a strike Eagle or in the in

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the biz nickname the mud Hen. It was shot down

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over Iran and search and rescue operations launched. At least

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one crew member's been picked up. I think they're continuing

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to look for the second. I haven't checked the news

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feed in the last forty five minutes or so, but

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this makes the first the first confirmed total loss over

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Iranian territory of the war. We had the friendly fire

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matters because it punctures any of this easy air supremaci

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air supremacy has solved all problems. It punctures that storyline,

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and it reminds everyone that Iran still retains meaningful denial

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capacity beyond just their ability to drone and missile their

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neighbors to death. And so Reuters reported also that thirteen

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US service members killed and more than three hundred wounded

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so far. And so that's that's a mess right there,

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and we can we can move on from there. But

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that in and of itself shows that this is not

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a special military operation where we are going and with

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unfettered access, exercising our will or imposing our will. The

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it's very much the contrary. And then of course the

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big issue is this choke, this strategic choke point of

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the Strait of Horn moves.

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Speaker 2: At the.

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Speaker 3: At the outlet of the Persian Gulf. It's worse than

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being closed. It's it's being it's being sporadically opened for

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whomever the Ranians want to keep it open for. So

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that's the worst of all possible worlds. Because what we

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want in theory, I say, in theory, we can pick

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that up in a minute. We want this to have

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for our golf, you know, protection partners. We want free

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and open navigation through that choke point. And it's the

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exact opposite right now. It's a complete and total Iranian control.

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I saw earlier that it looks like I don't want

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to speak out of turn here. Yeah, a French freighter

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was trying to trans transition through the straight to the

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North and that was about ten hours ago. I have

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I don't have. Maybe you do. I don't have an

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update on the status of that ship. I don't have,

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But how that goes will be very interesting. Do the Iranians?

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Are the Iranians going to allow for the French? You know,

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it'd be fun. I'll give him this. They've got all

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the cards. They could allow basically all traffic except that

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which we want through. So the you know, the Emiratis,

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the the bahrain Uh Passage, the Kataris, the Saudis, ever,

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you know all that, all those who are partnered with us,

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and I say partnered, they rely on us for for

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military protection. They they could allow everyone else to pass through,

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and that would be I say, humiliating. I don't know

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if the president has the capacity to be humiliated anymore.

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And I say that as one who has happily voted

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three times for Donald Trump, and in certain areas I

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think he has been a godsend. But this is a

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disaster for the for the status of the United States

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on the world stage, at least in the short to midterm.

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We can speak about long term in a minute and

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get kind of four or five D chess. But but

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keeping it in the realm of the real This is

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a this is a mess, and it's not good. In

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his Dog and Pony show the other night. And I've

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got friend, I've got many friends. I do some work

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with the administration. I look again, I want the administration

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to have success, but it's not. And that that that

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speech the other night, that that was that the market

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had had this huge run up and the oil had

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come down in light of this big speech, and it

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was it was, it was nothing. It was I'm afraid

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that the president is exposing himself to being impeached in

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the spring on pump and dump. You know, if trust me,

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his enemies are looking at every trading record on oil,

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on equity futures, on and defensive stocks, and if they're

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playing both, if if they're trading actively in this, I

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would not be shocked if if impeachment uh proceedings were

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brought up and he could get he could get convicted.

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It would only take a few uh uh swing senators,

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regardless of how the elections go uh to to convict.

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And again I don't relish that, but that's a real

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that's a real possibility, and that should frighten everyone. I hope.

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It's frightening those who have the presidents here. Unfortunately, that

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seems like an ever smaller circle.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we can agree that when uh,

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when Trump is abusing journalists and abuse you, abusing leftists

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and calling, yeah, calling politicians Pocahontas and things like that,

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it's it's fun, it's entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. This is war.

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Speaker 1: This is the worst thing that humans do. And for

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him to get up there and talk the way he did,

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I was. I mean, it's fucking hard to call yourself

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be proud of being an American when someone saying, oh,

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we're going to bomb them back to the Stone Age,

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and then PC principle heg Scept gets on fucking gets

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on Twitter and all caps bomb them back to the

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Stone Age. Look, these guys, when the left get they're

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not destroying their enemies, the left is going to get

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back in power, and they're gonna seek to put these

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people in put put people like heg Scept and Trump

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in prison.

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Speaker 2: And at this point I don't feel bad for him.

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I don't.

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Speaker 1: After that speech, people are like, oh, that speech was nothing.

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If you he didn't say anything. If you listen to

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that speech and think he didn't anything, you're out of

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your mind. He exposed himself as I mean, he may

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as well have been Benjamin and Yahoo. He may as

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well have called the Iranian people Amelek.

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Speaker 3: That's right, No, that's right. There is a real you know,

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even Schmidt, and who I really appreciate the thought of

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Carl Schmidt, who was part of the you know, national

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socialist regime. So he's you're not supposed to speak of him,

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but is appreciated on both the left and the right

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and thinkers since he did his writing in the twenties

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fifties of the last century. But even even Schmidt, in

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Nomas of the Earth wrote that the greatest danger is

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the dehumanization of the other, because it will take you

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to a place that you can't you can't get civilization back. Basically,

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I'm butchering the argument for Schmidt fans. But but that's

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the that's the basis of it. And and we in

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the West, and and not just you know, Jesuits or Catholics,

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but we in the of the Western tradition of coming

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from Christendom and the Catholic states have always believed in

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just war, which comes from the principles that Saint Augustine

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in the period about four hundred, four hundred and fifty

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years after Christ, four hundred years after Christ. And these

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are incredibly important principles. You know, A just war is

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a war that can only be waged as a last resort.

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of force can be justified. Did we And again we

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threw some of this out of the window or out

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the window in World War two, Curtis Lamey, and we

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used it to justify total war against the Germans and

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against the Japanese, which I personally think was a mistake

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beyond the philosophical issues that I think you and many

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of your listeners would have just from a way to

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wage war. When you go to total war and expect unconditional surrender,

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you were forcing your enemy, you were dehumanizing your enemy,

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you were looking for your enemies extinction. And I just

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think that that is philosophically bankrupt and tactically and strategically inept.

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But so anyway, did we exhaust all methods before doing this? Well,

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here's here's the way. You know, we did not when

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an acquaintance of mine, was on that negotiating team last

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summer with the Iranians before we moved. The Israelis assassinated

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the entire negotiating team using our special health special form

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of the health fire missile. And now we've seen a

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string of negotiating partners in Iran suffer the same fate

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by the hand of the Israeli strikes. This is an

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issue because you always want an off ramp. You always

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want the ability. You may choose not to take it,

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but you always want that ability to negotiate with the

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one you were fighting with. You want to exhaust all

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options because war kills people, and that's always bad. Doesn't

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mean it's not justified. But if you haven't exhausted all

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those options, at least Saint Augustine thought it was bad.

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waged by a legitimate authority. That's up for you know,

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our friends, some of our more constitutionalists or libertarian friends,

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really go on about the it is the Congress's job

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to declare war, and I'd go back and forth on

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whether or not the president has the legal capacity to

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strike against you know, I don't. I didn't have a

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problem with the strike against Venezuela. That's near and dear,

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that's you know, a closer neighbor, that's part of our

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sphere of influence, that's part of our near abroad, and

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he saw the opportunity to do something. It seems like

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it had a minimal loss of life on both sides.

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that even that would require congressional authority. I think that's

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difficult in this day and age. I think it would

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have leaked. But but good people disagree with that, and

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then we can talk about the other principles of just war.

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and then questionably in point two, we have we have

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left what the West has always considered a mark of

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civilization in how we've waged this. And I just think

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that's a real I think that's a real problem because

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if we're on the right, we're supposed to be about

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order and peace and civilizational goals so that people can pursue, uh,

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you know, a virtuous life freely and uh that's a

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real I think we've crossed some to to to quote

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tropic thunder, you're crossing some lines of the great Uh

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Robert Downey Junior, his character Captain Osiris.

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Speaker 2: There the.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the West and the West is Christendom. Yeah,

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Israel has nothing to do with that. Israel is not

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the West. Israel is not Christendom. There is no Judeo Christianity.

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That's a propag that's a propaganda term. It's something that's

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been sold to people. Israel does not fight like we do.

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Israel seeks to kill. They don't care if they take

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out civilian populations. And one thing that you see, and

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and to encourage people, is to have more of an

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Israeli attitude when it comes to civilians. Oh they're brown,

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it doesn't matter if we kill brown people. Oh they're Muslim,

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it doesn't matter if we kill Muslim people.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not this if you're if you're a

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Christian and you're like promoting total war because oh those

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people don't look like me, and they don't sound like me,

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and they they worship a different god than me. I

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don't take you seriously as a Christian. I'm sorry. You

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have to show me your you can tell me you

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have faith, show me your works. Your works look evil

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to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and okay, So without getting you know, on a

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tangent about Curtis LeMay and the history of total war

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in this country, especially regarding you know, World War two

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and all that.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also Vietnam, Vietnam. The victory metric in Vietnam

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was debt, was the number?

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this is one of the uh. And and don't hear

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what I'm not saying. I'm not trying to appugne. I

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was baptized Southern Baptist, so I can what I'm about

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to say. I think I have a little bit of

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moral authority to say. And I'm not trying to throw

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a huge portion of our populace under the bus. But

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I do want them to think the the Baptist and

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by Baptists, dispensational Southern Baptist, all the Baptistic, you know,

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the believer Baptism.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Sects of Christianity in America a church.

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Speaker 2: And these are nomination Baptist.

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Speaker 3: It's just that that's right, that's that's a Baptist view

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of how one enters into the kingdom, so to speak.

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Has well, how they gained citizenship. Uh, they would call

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church membership, but how Sendom has always viewed viewed covenantal

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kingdom church membership. They're this this what you know, this

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this wouldn't apply to them necessarily, but but but it

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tends to undercut the universal claims of Christ. So, without

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getting too deep in the theological weeds, just think of

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the Great Commission, the Great Commission, and we all know,

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you know, go and therefore go therefore make disciples, you know,

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baptizing the teaching them to obey all that I've commanded,

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baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and

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the Holy Spirit. Everybody remembers that part. But what they

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don't remember is the preamble that Jesus said. He says,

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all authority in heaven and on the earth has been

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granted unto me, and that includes, by simple logic, all

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the people, whether they believe in him, whether they bowanee

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or not, And Therefore, there is a gravity to killing

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a subject of Christ. This is beyond the whole amago

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dee question that that sometimes creates. Catholic Protestant. I tend

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to be pretty Catholic on that, on that question. On

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the I tend to follow the more. I'm pretty Catholic

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in my ecclesiology. But but regardless of the amago dee,

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the dignity of man and all that argument, put that aside.

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Humanity is universally subject to Christ. So it is a

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grave thing when you go and kill one of his subjects.

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It may be just a we are just. The magistrate

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is just when he bears the sword against the evildoer.

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But there is gravity there. You don't do that lightly.

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You don't treat somebody as Again, going back to Schmidt,

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where he talks about this, he begins the book saying

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talking about this lordship of Christ. Everybody says, oh, I

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don't know if Schmidt was a Christian or not. Well, no,

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Master the Arth sure seems to claim that. He seems

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to claim that he was, and he talks about this.

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And so if you're going to go and wage war indiscriminately.

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Just know that you are killing. You are killing not

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only someone made in God's image, but you are killing

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one of his subjects. And that's not just someone who

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has been brought into the kingdom via covenant membership. And

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so this American Baptistic ideal, the megachurch, the second grade awakening, uh,

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fundamentalist idea tends to undercut that. Again, not everyone, not all,

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but we tend to just treat well, you know, they're

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just other and it's it's ugly and it's gross, and

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again doesn't mean you can't fight war. Some have taken

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this idea and become pacifist, and I think, you know,

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the whole Bonhoeffer idea, and then some of the some

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of the more radical Christian sects. I don't believe that's

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the case. I believe there is a place for war.

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I'm just Augustinian on this, as is the Catholic Church

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as uh you know, I'm Presbyterian, Reformed uh Lutherans, they're Augustinians.

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So I think we need a return to this idea

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of what makes a just war. And I don't think this,

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I don't think it was justified. I also think it

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was just dumb. Uh. So I've talked about that until

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I blew in the face and we you know, we

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can discuss that. But but it's going badly, and it

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was easily to see that it was going badly. And

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the problem there is it calls to the competency of

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this administration, and it was competency that we were all

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looking for. The the that's what can we please just

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get some We were tired of the Victoria Newlands. We're

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you know, uh, we're tired of the Robert of the

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Keg and view of the Neocon deal where you know, uh,

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which falls into this too, where we're just going to

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create chaos everywhere. So we're at least we're the king

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of the chaos hill. No, no, absolutely not. We wanted

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to get away from that, and we're doing the exact

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same thing, except worse, not just worse morally, but worse

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from a competency standpoint. And that is devastating for those

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who thought, man, are we setting up for some right

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word influence on this country for years to come? And

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if I'm if I was an independent right now, I'd

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be like, I want nothing to I'll take all the

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bad that the other side has to get away from this.

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And again I'm not an independent. I would never vote

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for the other side no matter what. Give me stupidity

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over evil. But right now we're we've got one toe

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dipped in the in the evil pool, as you so

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rightly put a minute ago.

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Speaker 1: Well i'd be I think you know, I'm not a pacifist,

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considering the conversation.

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Speaker 2: We had before we went live. Yes, but you have

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to fight.

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Speaker 1: You have to fight a war for a reason, and

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you have to seek to punish the guilty. And taking

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out the starvation campaigns in Iraq in the nineties, the

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you know, oh if we just if we just impose

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enough torture and pain on a population of innocent people,

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they'll rise up and they'll take out, you know, their leadership.

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Well that's what they thought about in Iran. And from

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what I've heard today, seven million this includes active military

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and military that have retired from the Iranian military within

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the last five to ten years, have pledged to fight.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: That's seven million people. That's seven million people who are

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trained to fight.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is a very this I don't think we

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have a very good understanding of what you know, we

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don't like no one would the whole death to America

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chance and and all that. What we forget is is

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that Hussein Sodom is saying and the old Aatola Kamani

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were at war the or the Iraq Iran War throughout

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the eighties. Well before we went and went to war

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with Iraq, we actually helped Iraq use chemical weapons against Iran.

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The Iranians remember this, Okay, So have we look we

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had a good thing going from our perspective when we

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installed we had the CIA install in fifty three a

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a a secular dictatorship, and for the secularists in Iran,

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uh Iran was pretty neat under under you know, the Shaw.

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But they did they did lose there. There was a

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portion of the of the population that very much was

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treated poorly by the Shaw who they lost a they

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saw themselves losing their culture to a materialist worldview, some

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of the same things that we Christians mourn here in

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the United States. And imagine it being at the hands

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of a foreign placed dictatorship that was brutal, that would

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you know, had had deaths.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to have that Do you want to

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have that conversation right now?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Let's not have that conversation.

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Speaker 3: Now so and then so the the Iranians and Hussein

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went to war with the Iranians and used chemical weapons

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that we helped them procure, and they remember that. So

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this whole idea of death to America just didn't spontaneously

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generate out of the miasma of of Persia. No, this

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there was reason for it. And we easily could have said,

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you know, that was a those were uh. Uh that

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was wrong and we are sorry, and so on and

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so forth, and uh, we've put you, we placed you

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for decades under this uh, under this sanction regime. I

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understand that they were ready to come under i a

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e A and I a e A Inspection regime just

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for the removal of sanctions. The problem is that makes

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one of our most trusted and our our most trusted

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and important ally in the region very nervous because they

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want Iran that is Balkanized, that is turned into Syria,

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that has turned into Libya. But think about the result

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of that. Iran is not universally Persian Persian Persia. The

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Persians are the ruling class of Iran, the same way

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the Han are the ruling class over all. The tribes

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of East Asia. So if we were to balkanize that region,

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you'd have five, six, maybe more groups with control over

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that strategic choke point instead of one. So it's in

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our best interest. Again in theory, it's in our best

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interest for there to be a cohesive and rational leadership

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in Iran. And we're not gonna You're not gonna regime

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change them. You're gonna keep going down this road anyway.

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The point is this has been a mistake. Tactically, I

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don't understand. I don't see anyway for the military military

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solution to this where if we take carg Island, we're

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going to have maybe many hundreds dead. Uh. You know,

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we can talk about tactically, but strategically it makes no

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sense at least in the short and mid term long

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in the long term, since does it? Could it now?

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I don't think Trump or the administration is thinking this,

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but there is the argument you could say that that

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they're saying all these reasons to go to war for

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a ran or just to cover to take this strategic

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choke hold completely off the map, to make it unreliable,

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to increase the strategic importance of a Monroe doctrine. North

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America that has all the food, all the oil, all

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the fresh water. And uh, the issue with that is

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is that also increases the strategic significance of Russia. And

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I think our most trusted ally isn't on board with

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that either. So there's some real cognitive dissonance going on.

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I don't know, what do you what's your read on that? Pete?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that Israel likes chaos, as you said before,

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they whereas Christianity likes order, Judaism seems.

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Speaker 2: To like chaos.

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Speaker 1: It's throughout I've read the Old Testament. I've read the

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Old Testament. I mean every forty years they start sacrificing

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humans again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Judges, Judges wasn't just a wasn't just a

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case study? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So, so they they like chaos. They they seek to

477
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breed chaos. Where what you just described, where if the

478
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of horror moves is really that important to world energy,

479
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,480
you would want one group in charge, even if it's

480
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even if it's a hard even if it's a group

481
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that you don't really like. That's at least you can

482
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deal with them.

483
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Speaker 2: You know.

484
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Speaker 1: People say, oh, you know, Iran is the biggest state

485
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,519
sponsor of terrorism, in the world. I don't think that's true.

486
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Speaker 2: But in the end, but that doesn't happen. But it

487
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has nothing to do with us.

488
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Speaker 1: They hate Israel, their enemy is Israel. And it's only

489
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time Americans have ever been you know, oh the Marine

490
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barracks and be Root and everything.

491
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Speaker 2: Oh why were you? Why were they there?

492
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Speaker 1: And even Ronald Reagan said after that his biggest mistake

493
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was sending those troops there. He knew he was doing

494
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it on behalf of Israel.

495
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Speaker 3: That that. Yeah, the history of that decision, it was

496
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,199
made very quick, if that's worth I'm trying to remember.

497
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,960
There's a great maybe it's a YouTube. I'll try to

498
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,280
look it up for the show notes. But there's a

499
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,639
great story of how that came to be. It was

500
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a quick meeting that Reagan had. He didn't think it through.

501
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,039
It was absolutely a uh the uh uh. The Israeli

502
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,920
UH leadership wanted there to be a US troop presence

503
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,679
in Lebanon, uh, and we did not. Our generals were

504
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,880
completely against it. And he authorized it basically on a

505
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,119
whim to please this one you know, meeting that he had,

506
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and then look what happened. Uh. It's a fascinating story.

507
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It's a very sad story, and you're not.

508
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Speaker 1: I'm not excusing it. It's horrible what happened to them,

509
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,199
but they The point is it doesn't have to happen.

510
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:49,679
That's right, Washington, George Washington and his I mean, people

511
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,400
are I know, people like hate George Washington at this point,

512
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,239
especially the Plan trusters, the people who think Trump can

513
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,440
do no wrong, they must hate that. George Washington said, no,

514
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:04,440
and alliances. You do not have alliances that put your

515
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:08,480
people at risk. If Iran is sponsoring if Iran is

516
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:13,239
financing Hesbala, the Huthies Hamas, what does that have to

517
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,760
do with us. It has nothing to do with us.

518
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,360
It has everything to do with Israel. And the only

519
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,840
reason it has anything to do with us is because

520
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,880
we are joined at the hip with Israel. And until

521
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:28,400
that stops, as Joe Ken's has been saying ever since

522
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,559
he stepped down d couple, tell Israel you are on

523
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:35,920
your own until you start acting like human beings.

524
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about the history of this for a

525
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little bit, because I think it's you know, I realize

526
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I'm you know, I just turned fifty nine week and

527
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:50,719
a half ago. Scary thought, so I realize I'm older

528
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:56,599
than probably ninety nine percent of your listeners. Let's let's

529
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talk about why how did we get where we are

530
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and why did the Middle East? You know, there was

531
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a point in time where the Middle East wasn't important

532
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at all except as a the The US sponsored believe

533
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,440
it or not, missions Christian missions to the to the

534
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,679
to the area. But they basically let the UK and

535
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,960
the French have dominion over that whole part of the world,

536
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you know, the the This is before uh, you know,

537
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,440
North Africa and and uh. Basically it was a hedge

538
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:37,000
under hegemonic control of the British Empire and the in

539
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:41,840
the in the French Algeria was a major French colony,

540
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,400
and and so on and so forth. And they let

541
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you know, and there was British Palestine, and the Ottomans

542
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:56,719
had had control, and oil was discovered and suddenly and suddenly,

543
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:03,039
as basically the leaders the US led even more so

544
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,880
than than the UK the Industrial Revolution because of the

545
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,239
it was the time after the the US Civil War

546
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:20,960
was a business paradise almost to to to a greater degree,

547
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,440
probably than it needed to be to wear the point

548
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,119
where where Teddy Roosevelt had to come in and break up,

549
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,440
you know, uh, some abusive companies and everything. But we

550
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:36,519
had incredible and incredible uh industrial expansion and the and

551
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:43,000
the standard of living actually skyrocketed, and we saw the

552
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the Middle East as a way to fuel that, and

553
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,719
so it became important. Now go on through World War One.

554
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World War one happens, and the Russian Revolution happens, and

555
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:02,320
now suddenly it's becomes not just strategically important for fuel,

556
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,719
but now it becomes it starts becoming geopolitically important. And

557
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,679
the UK is trying to deal with it with this

558
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,400
Balfour dec declaration, and there's chaos. And then you get

559
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:21,559
World War two, and we're partners with the Soviets. But

560
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,760
world War two ends, and now that under Truman, that

561
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,280
relationship flips, and I will go on you know why

562
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,480
we were partners with the Russians, you know, and all that.

563
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,719
That's another topic for another day. I'm happy to talk

564
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,400
about that. That that deserves its own two hour screed

565
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:41,400
from me, but but not today. So now we have

566
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,679
the issue where we have the Middle East oil, which

567
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,599
is hugely important. We've got Texas Texan oil and uh,

568
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:56,239
Pennsylvania oil and Californian oil, but nothing like at the time.

569
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,400
We didn't realize what was coming uh. At the time,

570
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the Middle East was hugely important because it could continue

571
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to fuel our industrial capacity. But now we have this

572
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,840
issue with with We got to keep an eye on Russia.

573
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And what does that make important? Well, that makes Anatolia,

574
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that makes Asia minor. Turkey incredibly important because Turkey controls

575
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the entrance to the Black Sea, which is the year

576
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,639
round Russian blue water port, and the entrance and exit

577
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:35,239
to the Black Sea is controlled by the Bosporus Dardnell's complex.

578
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:40,199
That's right there where Istanbul looks. It's where Alexander crossed

579
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over into Asia when he was conquering the known world.

580
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This is the one of those hugely important choke points.

581
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So we put intermediate you know, we allied with Turkey

582
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,280
so that we could put intermediate range missiles there that

583
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could reach southern Russia. We could have axe ingress and

584
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egress into the Black Sea. And so Turkey is now important.

585
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:14,280
The Middle East is important still Israel and Israel we're

586
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,480
still kind of fighting a little bit with Israel. JFK

587
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:21,239
comes along and Israel's wanting nukes, and JFK says, no,

588
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,320
we don't you don't get nukes. You're you're, you're not

589
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,639
part of NATO, You're you're and he ends up losing

590
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:35,920
his head over it. And is that connected? I absolutely think, well,

591
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,840
I won't say absolutely, I believe that was connected. I

592
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,159
think if I think the argument that that jf K

593
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:51,719
was uh just murdered by this Russian sympathizer is kind

594
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,960
of crazy. But again, that's another two hours we can

595
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,719
spend Oswald. I'm in Dallas. You know Oswald's wife, Marina lived,

596
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,880
I kid you not less than a mile from where

597
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,320
I grew up and continued as I was a kid.

598
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,360
Oh yeah, there's Marina. Oswald lives right now in the

599
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street in Irving, Irving, Texas. And everybody, anyway, everybody knew

600
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,880
that that I'm not everybody, but folks who were into

601
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,800
it knew that Oswald went down to Mexico City to

602
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,639
try to meet with the He met with the Russians

603
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and everything. It's come out now with some of these

604
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,639
document releases that his that the Russians let us know

605
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that he met with them and said we want no

606
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,840
part of this because they realized them being tagged for

607
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,000
a that he wanted to kill the president, he was

608
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,079
willing to do it. Could he get the Russians help?

609
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And they wanted no part of that. And if they

610
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,079
wanted no part of it, who did, I ask you, Pete,

611
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,960
who did anyway put a pin in that? Then you

612
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,360
get LBJ and b Jay was absolutely uh philo semitic

613
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,280
uh before he was ever president. And but once he

614
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:16,280
was president was he absolutely yes? Calling them? Uh was

615
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,360
it orange shipment? Fruit shipments?

616
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: I believe they were banana ships? I think yeah, yeah,

617
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yeah yeah.

618
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Speaker 3: Uh. Then you get to uh, you know, Nixon and

619
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:33,000
Nixon I think handled it the way you should have

620
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:36,400
handled it, which is, look, we have some strategic we

621
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,239
have strategic interest there, but we want to be friends

622
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,280
with everybody. We don't want to be too closely allied

623
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,239
with anyone because that removes our ability to be And

624
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,079
he saw Iran as a wonderful that Iran Turkey. This

625
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:55,800
is before you know we bought uh uh uh he

626
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,320
saw Iran Turkey, the Saudi's and Israel is kind of

627
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,480
a four legged stool. Is a balance of power, and

628
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:08,800
they could all be minor regional powers and everybody was fine,

629
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,280
and no one got a really a privileged Turkey to

630
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,800
a certain extent because they were officially allies, but that's

631
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,199
always been a strained ally, so to speak. But I

632
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,760
thought Nixon handled it very very well, and in his

633
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
second term was set up to do some interesting things

634
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:30,679
with that. He also was doing wonderful things. We've seen

635
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,440
that this has come out with Pakistan again, trying to

636
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,280
have regional powers balance each other out so that we

637
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,519
wouldn't have to be over there all the time. Reagan

638
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,880
comes along, and I mean Carter comes along, and it's

639
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,440
an absolute s show. And I lived through Carter. I

640
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,639
was politically aware through Carter. When Carter took office, I

641
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,079
was ten years old, and it was a mess, and

642
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,280
it just got worse. He gives away the Panama Canal,

643
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:07,519
the the the the reputation of the that we're coming

644
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,800
on out of Vietnam, the reputation of the Armed services

645
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:16,199
is in the tank. People are treating not not good Americans,

646
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,400
but a lot of leftists are treating veterans like trash. Uh.

647
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,639
It's a it's a real mess. And Carter tries to say,

648
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:32,239
you know, he tries to he puts Sadat and and

649
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,400
oh good Monock and Beagan. He helps broker a piece.

650
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,960
Here's what really happened. We agreed to give Israel and

651
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,840
Egypt a crap ton of money every year, is what happened.

652
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,599
The number the two greatest recipients over the last fifty

653
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:55,119
years of US four and eight is it's not just Israel,

654
00:45:55,199 --> 00:46:00,320
it's Egypt as well. So he does that, but our

655
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,719
reputation and then he tried, there's an Iranian revolution. They

656
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,960
take a bunch of American it's very anti American again

657
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:14,000
due to this conflict with the iraqis that we helped,

658
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:20,840
the CIA helped. It was a mess and death to

659
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,119
America and all this. They take a bunch of hostages.

660
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Carter authorizes a rescue mission to This is how Delta

661
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:36,880
Force comes into being Delta Force. It's an absolute disaster,

662
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:41,559
tons of people killed, C one thirty destroyed, all this

663
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:45,519
kind of stuff, and our reputation is in the tank.

664
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,239
And Reagan gets elected. Now, Reagan gets elected in nineteen

665
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:58,360
eighty and our operational again, reputation is in the tank.

666
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:02,119
And Reagan gets elected on this idea of pro America.

667
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,719
We're going to bring all this back. The we had

668
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,639
sold a bunch of American equipment F sixteens and F

669
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:19,119
fifteen's to the Israelis and they use US equipment to

670
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:26,599
go and do this raid on the Iraq the reactor. Gosh,

671
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:29,960
what was that? Osserak? Is that right? I don't want to.

672
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,840
I don't want to the Israeli.

673
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

674
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:44,039
Speaker 3: June seventh, nineteen eighty one, the Israelis destroy this Iraqi

675
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:52,239
nuclear reactor and it is you know, operationally, it is

676
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,360
a masterstroke. You can. It was denounced by the US

677
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,960
at the time, but everybody was like, wait a minute.

678
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,320
They used F sixteens and F fifteen's to go bomb

679
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,239
this and took it out, And there was a sense

680
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,880
in which we wanted, you know again, one thing I

681
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,320
left out three Mile Island. I mean, I'm telling you,

682
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,480
the late seventies under Carter were just a disaster. You

683
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,280
probably remember some of this, Pete. I'm older than you,

684
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,119
but you probably remember a little bit of this. And

685
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,280
there was a sense when I mean you remember when

686
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,119
this reactor raid happened, and everybody's like, it's kind of

687
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,840
like the raid on Entebbe. There was a certain portion

688
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,360
of the populace that was like, well that's pretty pardon me,

689
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,960
but kind of badass. And over time we ended up

690
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,280
wanting to borrow from that reputationally and operationally. And so

691
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,559
this is where our greater partnership started under LBJ, but

692
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:57,159
really magnified under Reagan because of this operational excellence that

693
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,639
we wanted to participate in to do but ever to

694
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,719
bring the operational reputation of our arm services and our

695
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:12,760
intelligence services to bear. So that's how that we got

696
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,840
to where this is and it just never stopped. It's

697
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,480
only amplified. And I know that was twenty minutes of

698
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:23,559
me monologuing, but I want people to have this historical

699
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,000
of understanding understanding where it wasn't just one day we

700
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:31,719
decided that the Israelis were going to be joined at

701
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:37,360
the hip. It was a result of this historical kind

702
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,159
of mess that we got ourselves into and we saw

703
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:46,239
partnering partnering with them, I say we, the ruling elite

704
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,280
saw as a way to reputationally borrow some of their

705
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,639
excellence because we were in a mess at the time.

706
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:56,519
Did we need to do that? I don't think so.

707
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,679
But it was kind of a shortcut and it just

708
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,440
never is ended well.

709
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Speaker 1: And you know, and you can also make the argument

710
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,960
that if it weren't for the Cold War, you wouldn't.

711
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,199
Speaker 2: We wouldn't have had that reputation.

712
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have been looking for, you know, because I mean,

713
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,960
what what did the Cold War give us?

714
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,519
Speaker 2: First of all?

715
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: World War Two guarantees Russia's existence because we fight, we

716
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,679
fight on the side of Russia.

717
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:31,599
Speaker 3: And now pete, pete, real quick, were I'm sorry? We fight.

718
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:37,679
We finance the Soviets. The Soviets were done without out,

719
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,280
without FDR and lin lease, they were done. There is

720
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,599
no the Germans would have absolutely destroyed them and they

721
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:51,119
probably start starving to death in Moscow. We we.

722
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: I agree with like we had boots on the ground

723
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,280
with them. We didn't have boots on the ground with them,

724
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,880
but we financed their whole war absolutely.

725
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: And and again I think without that, they cease to

726
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,599
exist as a political reality. And I say that is

727
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:11,119
one I love man. I've got a Russian ant, I've

728
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:17,199
got Russian uh cousins. That's a long story. Uh, But

729
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,280
I I love Dostoevsky. I I have no problem with

730
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,960
the Russian people. Are they a little different, Sure of

731
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,519
course they're different, They're Eastern there. But I don't have

732
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:33,840
any problem Soviets. I got no time for for Soviets

733
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,199
or Marxist sympathizers. I mean, I struggle, I struggle with

734
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,440
uh Karl Schmidt's uh encouragement not to dehumanize when it

735
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,440
comes to to to Soviets. Right.

736
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:48,079
Speaker 2: So the.

737
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,159
Speaker 1: So what we're looking at now is is where basically

738
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:59,599
fighting a war for the country that you think may

739
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:04,039
have assassinated one of our presidents. Truman's daughter says that

740
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:06,159
they tried to assassinate him.

741
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:15,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Truman was. Truman was uh uh the the

742
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,880
level of I don't want to speak historically out of line,

743
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,400
and I want to be respectful because Truman made some

744
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:30,719
very hard decisions. I think he did the best he could. Uh.

745
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:35,000
But but the the attitude, I don't think we have

746
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,400
any modern analog to the attitude of or maybe we do,

747
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:43,440
and I'm just missing it. Of the attitude that Truman

748
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:51,239
and LeMay had for anything that wasn't just kind of

749
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,559
baptistic American you know.

750
00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean he famously and this is this,

751
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,360
This happened Emmanuel Seller, who later opened up the Gates

752
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,079
of Toledo into the United States.

753
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: Part part Seller for those playing at home.

754
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:17,679
Speaker 1: Went into Truman's went into the Oval office, banged on

755
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,800
the banged on the root resolute desk and said, if

756
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,679
you don't recognize the state of Israel, we're going to

757
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,840
run you out of this city.

758
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. So okay, I mean.

759
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: And and and the and the issue not the issue,

760
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,400
but but I think people don't have enough of a

761
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:48,199
respect for the the A vast majority of the fellow

762
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:54,440
travelers of the Marxist fellow travelers were were there. There

763
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:59,440
was a sense in which, you know, Marx was raised

764
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,760
some you know, kind of Lutheran I guess, but was

765
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:09,440
Jewish ethnically, and there was a sense in which Marxism

766
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:15,039
was viewed by many as as this way to overcome

767
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:20,360
waspy dominance in America. Is that fair? I don't want

768
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,079
to overstate it.

769
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,079
Speaker 1: It's absolutely it's absolutely fair. Yeah, it's absolutely fair.

770
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

771
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean the after World War Two, when everything started

772
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,840
falling apart, everybody's like, oh, the National Socialists were socialists. Look,

773
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,840
it's in their name. Everybody was calling themself a socialist.

774
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,039
After World War One, everyone was calling themself a socialist.

775
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,880
And it meant different things to different two different groups. Yeah,

776
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,000
I mean, Mussolini was literally a socialist before the war.

777
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,320
And then you know, fascism take fascism takes hold. He

778
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,639
embraces more of the genteely kind of fascism. But yeah,

779
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,840
I mean it was obvious that it was used to

780
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:05,519
displace wasp power. And I'm one of these people who

781
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:12,880
is like, look, Christians rule over Christians, Jews rule over Jews,

782
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,119
that's right, Muslims rule over Muslims. I don't want anyone

783
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,960
other than a Christian being in the leadership of my country. Yeah, well,

784
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:25,280
I think that's just that's just the way I feel,

785
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,639
and Jews should want And look at what you I mean, oh,

786
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,280
well we have we have Arabs in the Kanesse. Yeah,

787
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,599
but they can't get a majority. They'll never get a majority.

788
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,039
You won't allow it. You want to be ruled by Jews,

789
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,119
Muslims want to be ruled by Muslims.

790
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:42,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's just the way.

791
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:47,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the that's the that's both the argument

792
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:55,719
against empire, right and where empire has actually succeeded. You

793
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:01,039
allow for that local rule, right, that it's a light touch,

794
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,800
so to speak, in theory the Muslims.

795
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 2: You know, the Muslims actually did that.

796
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: If you study that, if you study there the Ottomans, Yeah,

797
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,039
well they when they would go and conquer even in Spain,

798
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:22,159
in Spain, the caliphate there, they they didn't even interact.

799
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,760
They actually put the basically made the Jewish population policeman

800
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,280
over the Christians. And if you go read a book

801
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:35,559
by Bernard Backrock, he talks about how horribly that went

802
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,079
and how the Muslims had to step in and say, hey,

803
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:42,320
stop abusing the Christians. You know, we need these people

804
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,039
to grow our food. We need to collect taxes from them,

805
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:49,079
and you can and you can get so we have

806
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,079
there's a historical precedent for what we're going through right now.

807
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: Interesting, that's an the politics of that area and era.

808
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,360
I only know not enough to speak cogently too. I've

809
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:09,480
studied more the the philosophical and theological impacts of Converso

810
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:17,920
and and Islamic transmission of the classical texts. I've studied

811
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,360
that more, But the actual boots on the ground, Uh,

812
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:26,039
you know what you're talking of. I can't speak it,

813
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:28,480
you know, I'd sound like an idiot speaking to it.

814
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,920
So that's interesting, though, I need to check out that,

815
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:33,519
check out that war.

816
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's early early medieval Jewish policy in Western Europe.

817
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,639
It's a really good book, Florida, Florida University professor.

818
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,559
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, let's get let's get back, because I think

819
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,519
this bears a lot of fruit and it goes beyond

820
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,679
just this disaster that we're in. Let's kind of really

821
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,599
quick summarize the rest of what Augustine said about just war,

822
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:03,960
because I think whether you agree with whether whether you

823
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:10,719
agree that Augustine should still be the ruling rubric for

824
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,480
us today or not, I think you at least need

825
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,079
to know this is the This is the cultural, theological,

826
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:26,840
and political foundation of the West, and so it behooves

827
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,679
us to just refamiliarize occasionally. Are are okay? How do

828
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,119
we get where were we? And how do we get here?

829
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:39,480
You know, we already talked about last resort, legitimate authority.

830
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:43,480
A just war can only be fought to redress a

831
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:47,800
redress a wrong suffered. What is the wrong that we

832
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,760
were suffering the United States at the hands of the Iranians?

833
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:57,440
I am I literally, I'm asking, honestly, Pete. Maybe you

834
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,239
can help me, but what's the wrong? For example, ample

835
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,719
self defense against an arm attack is always considered to

836
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:06,199
be a just cause. Got no issue with that. Just

837
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,599
war can only be fought with the right intentions. Okay.

838
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:13,000
So so now, so we've got last resort, legitimate authority,

839
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,079
redress of a wrong suffered Okay. Number four, A war

840
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:19,800
can only be just if it is fought with a

841
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,880
reasonable chance of success. In other words, lost causes are

842
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,920
not okay. You don't send your own blood and and

843
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,559
and and treasure to a lost cause. That is evil,

844
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:40,519
That is wrong. And I I'm sorry, but I love

845
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:45,079
our fighting men. There are best. But I don't see

846
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:45,840
how we win this.

847
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:49,559
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I don't want I don't want

848
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:53,840
Americans to die or get hurt doing this, become maimed

849
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:59,039
or anything like that. But when you look at just

850
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:03,400
war theory, and this is what Christendom has used as

851
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,599
its benchmark, you know, since it was written for fifteen

852
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:12,159
hundred years now, there is no it fails here. And yeah,

853
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:17,440
the best thing, the best thing. If Trump wants to

854
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:23,639
continue with his bluster, his delusional, his delusional proclamations like

855
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:26,719
Iran can't even protect itself anymore, and they go and

856
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:31,000
shoot down at F fifteen and allegedly the rescue helicopter

857
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:34,519
as well that went looking for them, then seriously.

858
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm just cross the line that another combat plane crashed

859
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,000
in the Persian Gulf. That was at time, so about

860
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,280
a half hour ago that came across the wire.

861
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if we're.

862
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want this to be happening. Let

863
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:56,440
him be, Let him continue to be delusional and say,

864
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,639
oh we won, and just bring everyone home.

865
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: That's it.

866
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: There's no reason Israel can't fight this on their own.

867
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:09,159
Iran gets to you know, the Persians get to stay

868
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:11,639
in power, they get to control the Straits of Horror moves.

869
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:16,719
We try to figure out a way to get that

870
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,880
open again. So that just French liner. You know, French

871
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,039
freighters aren't the only ones going through, and Chinese and

872
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:26,880
freighters aren't the only ones going getting through.

873
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: And I mean, just fixed this.

874
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:35,039
Speaker 1: There's no Look, if you can't win, you can't win

875
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:40,000
against Iran. Everyone knows this in history. Everyone knows that

876
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,559
the only time the Persians ever lost is when they

877
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:45,920
went and tried to stretch their empire. That's right, that's

878
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,760
that's the But no one ever won on no one

879
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,519
ever defeated Persia. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, it's just

880
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:58,079
you're not. This makes absolutely no sense, and the only

881
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:02,719
thing that it's keeping this going at this point as jingoism.

882
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're exactly right. Looks like the second plane

883
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,960
was a war hoog an A ten went down in the.

884
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: That's my favorite plane.

885
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: It's about fair Child Republic. Uh. Anyway, the uh the

886
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,239
pilot was rescued out of the golf. Okay, Uh, let's

887
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:26,960
get through this before you get rid of me here. Okay, So,

888
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:33,000
last last war, just war only as a last resort,

889
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:37,079
only if it's waged by a legitimate authority and legitimate

890
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:41,920
What does legitimacy mean. Legitimacy in the classical understanding is

891
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,960
is one who represents his people. That's what legitimacy really means. Okay,

892
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:54,039
so uh so, legitimate authority a last resort, legitimate authority

893
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:58,559
redressing a wrong suffered has to have a reasonable chance

894
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:02,719
of success. The ultimate number five, The ultimate goal of

895
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:08,280
a just war is to re establish peace, not destroy

896
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,039
the enemy. To re establish peace, you only fight as

897
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:18,280
long as it takes to re establish peace. Because civilization

898
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,159
comes by order, an order comes by peace.

899
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: And the only way that you can the only way

900
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,760
that you can re establish peace is through negotiation.

901
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 3: That's right.

902
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,599
Speaker 1: And if if you're killing the negotiators, if you're targeting,

903
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:37,559
if you're targeting the leadership, if you take out the.

904
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,679
Speaker 2: I mean by.

905
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: By if any way you look at it, it seems

906
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,840
like the Ayasola was sort of a wimpy guy, old

907
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,760
wimpy guy who was like, you know, had a fat

908
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,480
wag against the nuclear weapons, was like would actually say

909
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,480
some really cringey had some really cringey post on like

910
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:05,480
almost liberal kind of posts on Twitter. And you know this,

911
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:09,960
why would you if you go and kill that guy

912
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,960
and you kill you know, his family, well, the remaining family.

913
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:17,800
I mean, I don't know, I get this idea that

914
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,599
you know, if you you know, you kill my family, Yeah,

915
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,039
I'm probably I'm probably going to spend the rest of

916
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,880
my life trying to make trying to to repay.

917
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: You for that.

918
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:29,679
Speaker 3: Yes.

919
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,559
Speaker 1: And that's another thing about this war. This is why

920
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,639
I used the term jingoism. They went and attacked Iran,

921
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,840
and as soon as Iran started fighting back, that was

922
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,880
a bad thing. Mm hmm, Like, oh Iran's fighting back,

923
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,599
Why are they doing that? You had people saying that,

924
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,519
like you had like there were people.

925
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,519
Speaker 3: There they were supposed to just sit and take it.

926
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And here's another thing that just war that there

927
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,199
should be added to just war should be amended.

928
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:05,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

929
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: If you're using the excuse of a country six thousand

930
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,840
miles away that they did something to us five, you know,

931
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,760
fifty years ago, it's a way different excuse than Iran

932
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,039
being upset in nineteen seventy nine that you overthrew their

933
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:26,679
duly elected president you know earlier. That's something that's affecting them.

934
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:31,280
That's that's something that's affecting them continually on their homeland.

935
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,159
The Marines, the Marines getting killed in those barracks. As

936
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:37,880
horrible as that was, you don't get to come back

937
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,760
fifty years and go, yeah, we're going to start a

938
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,719
war and that's going to be one of these.

939
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 3: We're going to wipe out. Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, it's

940
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:52,440
a great point, all right, So your ultimate goal has

941
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,800
to be to re establish peace. The violence used number six,

942
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,599
the violence in the war, The violence used in the

943
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:04,840
war must be proportional to the excuse me to the

944
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,800
injury suffered. I'm still wondering what the injury was that

945
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,599
we suffered, but I I I don't think total obliteration.

946
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It wasn't total obliteration.

947
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

948
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Allegedly the Iranians were trying to assassinate Trump.

949
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Speaker 3: Well well yeah, well then then you know who would

950
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have known is Joe Kent because he's in charge of

951
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,960
that intelligence, because he was the head of the National

952
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:40,280
counterte Terrorism Unit or you know center. Anyway, don't get

953
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,840
me started. I know the CIA and the FBI were

954
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:47,400
playing a playing a game with Trump. I do know

955
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:55,039
that from personal h once removed testimony from a friend

956
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,960
who visited with the president. So, but I won't get

957
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,199
into that. Uh So. And number seven, the weapons used

958
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:08,679
in war must discriminate between combatants and non combatants. Civilians

959
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,760
are never permissible targets of war. And every effort will

960
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,159
civilians die. Will there be occasional collateral damage, yes, but

961
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every effort must be made, must be taken to avoid

962
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killing civilians. We are which one of these seven principles

963
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are we following? I mean, you can make the argument

964
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of that Trump is a legitimate authority at least for

965
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,760
a short term. You can make that argument. I mean

966
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away from our near abroad, I have I have I

967
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have questions.

968
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Speaker 1: Do you think Augustine do you think Augustine would see

969
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legitimate authority as Christian authority?

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Speaker 3: You know what, in the city in the city. Uh uh,

971
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city of God. I almost said city of Man. That's strass,

972
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:14,519
very different. Uh uh, you know that's interesting. His understanding,

973
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,600
uh you know, he had a prophetic was something that

974
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:22,359
I absolutely think we need to recover, a prophetic understanding

975
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:28,159
of the role of the church with regards to informing

976
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,920
the state or the magistrate what good and evil is.

977
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In other words, without the Church, can the is the

978
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:40,399
state even could it can even conceive have a conception

979
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,920
of what good and evil is? Could it act wisely?

980
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,399
And so so in that sense, I think that's kind

981
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of where uh, Augustine's coming from on that. But that's

982
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a really that's a really good question. There's probably experts

983
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in in his thought that would uh, that would have better.

984
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Speaker 1: You know that even if it doesn't have to be

985
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:10,720
a Christian, having Christian you know, advisors would be nice.

986
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,399
I think I think of female historically Christian I think

987
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:19,880
I think a female pastor doesn't doesn't doesn't live up

988
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to that.

989
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,359
Speaker 2: She's a heretic so I mean, an insane person.

990
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's we we don't even have to get to

991
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,520
the propriety of a female pastorate. We don't even have

992
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,119
to get to that.

993
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,279
Speaker 2: For for her.

994
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 3: No, that's insane. UH. And if and and if that's

995
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:43,399
his uh respute, and we're in real trouble, right. But

996
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other than number two, I I don't see how we

997
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,840
are following any of this. It's not a lot. It

998
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,920
wasn't a last resort. UH. It's what's the wrong suffer

999
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,920
that we're redressing. There's no reasonable chance doesn't say there's

1000
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:02,000
not a chance of success. There's a there's always a change,

1001
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:05,680
you know, it's the US military. There's a chance. I

1002
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:10,600
don't think it's a reasonable chance of success. Our ultimate goal, clearly,

1003
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by the very words of the President and the Secretary

1004
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:17,600
of War. Uh, the goal isn't to re establish peace.

1005
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:24,880
It's utter destruction. And it's and the violence isn't proportional

1006
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,479
to any theoretical injury suffered. And the weapons that were using,

1007
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:36,319
I mean we were dropping we've been dropping uh minds

1008
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:40,039
in area in residential areas. Now. The primary target of

1009
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:43,399
those minds was in was to limit the ability for

1010
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,399
mobile launchers to be used. I get it, but it's

1011
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,279
not cool putting minds in neighborhoods where you can turn

1012
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:54,439
mom and kid and pets into red mist That's just

1013
01:10:55,039 --> 01:11:01,399
that's not okay. And and ultimately, like you said, I mean,

1014
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,640
like we started with our partner in this deal, was

1015
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:12,600
has been making a habit of assassinating our negotiating uh,

1016
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,760
those across the table from us. So I'm I'm at

1017
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,039
a real loss for this. And again, I am someone

1018
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:23,000
who voted, has voted for our president three times. If

1019
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:27,600
he was running against you know, if he was running

1020
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:34,000
a fourth time and it was Newsome or Cortes or whoever,

1021
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,079
you know, some leftist, I'd vote, I'd grip my teeth

1022
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:41,000
and vote for him again. But this is but I

1023
01:11:41,039 --> 01:11:45,560
can say that and also be fully against this and

1024
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,399
and and be fully against this and hope that we

1025
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don't have any of our boys die.

1026
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Speaker 1: Uh.

1027
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 3: And I know we got women over there too. That's

1028
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,000
another topic for another day, but you know what I mean.

1029
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,159
But look at all that, Look at the destruction we've had,

1030
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:03,680
all these airframes lost, all these defensive platforms lost, that

1031
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:08,840
the you know, it's just it's showing the asymmetric nature

1032
01:12:09,319 --> 01:12:13,279
of modern warfare. That it's very very very easy to

1033
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:19,680
cheaply defend when your when your opponent is very extended,

1034
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:22,960
you know, So all the aircraft carriers in the world.

1035
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,039
Don't do you a ton of good if you can't

1036
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:27,640
get any more than six hundred not you know, seven

1037
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,119
hundred nutical miles from your target. Anyway, I go on

1038
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and on. I've beaten that dead horse. But I think

1039
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:39,720
it's important that the historical background that we've gone over

1040
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,520
to explain how did we get here? What are what

1041
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:47,640
does our cultural foundations say about this? How does it

1042
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,640
inform us? Can we get back to that or are

1043
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:55,039
we just going to abandon it all and be functionally

1044
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,319
you know again, I've got friends who are Jewish, but

1045
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,479
are we going to be functionally modern Talmudic about this

1046
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:07,079
which is Eastern not Western? Just like you said, Uh, Pete,

1047
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:12,600
I've got a real problem with that. I I am

1048
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:18,800
proudly uh you know, Western Christian. I think it's the

1049
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,520
greatest civilization that has ever been on the face of

1050
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,960
the earth. Greater than Rome, greater than Athens, uh, greater

1051
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:34,239
than the dynasties in the East, uh, greater than Alexander's

1052
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:41,359
great Empire. And and we're throwing our cultural heritage away,

1053
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,560
and not just by importing the world, but by waging

1054
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:53,079
war in this unserious, unwise, uh, immoral and Unchristian manner.

1055
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,199
Speaker 1: The old thing about laying down with dog and getting CLEAs.

1056
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,560
We've gotten the fleas, yeah, I mean we we've gotten

1057
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:08,000
the Eastern we've gotten the Talmudic fleas that we just

1058
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,960
oh we killed civilians. Oh they shouldn't have been there.

1059
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna mow them. Hey, it's your job to

1060
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:19,640
mow the lawn. Yeah, do you think you're have you

1061
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,159
you've spoken about this whole idea of mowing the lawn

1062
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:22,800
on your show.

1063
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, so people, yeah, okay, yeah, the yeah,

1064
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,600
the whole thing is is it? And then it's like, well,

1065
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,640
you don't hold if you're if you're okay with having

1066
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:39,000
targeting civilians and I guess nine to eleven was fine.

1067
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,600
Oh no, but they can't do it to us. Oh

1068
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,119
so it's not a universal principle. It's just the you principle. Right,

1069
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:50,479
It's like, come on, come on, stop it. Being be

1070
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,600
a human, be an adult, you know, be be what

1071
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,359
if you're claiming the West, if you're claiming to be Western,

1072
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:02,520
act like it now, just don't stop it, stop it already.

1073
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,319
This is this is a cluster, you know, and we

1074
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:07,680
can't keep going.

1075
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 3: And it's Israel's only hope for a long term safety

1076
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,760
is is being Western because it jumps in, it continues

1077
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,600
down this path. Trust me, the next uh, let's say,

1078
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,479
uh Cortes gets elected your next president, Lord, have mercy

1079
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,439
on us. But you think she's gonna go along with this?

1080
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:37,039
You think the modern Democrats are going to go along

1081
01:15:37,079 --> 01:15:43,600
with all this nonsense. The Israel's only hope for for

1082
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,439
a long term health and existence is to get its

1083
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,479
West on which it doesn't seem like it's ready to do.

1084
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,359
And you know what, Yeah, I know we got to go.

1085
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,000
We could talk you know, Net and Yahoo and that

1086
01:15:57,079 --> 01:16:02,760
whole like kud deal. They're not Yeah, okay, I'm gonna

1087
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,920
say something. I don't want to get myself in trouble.

1088
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:09,439
But let me just say this. That's an atheist Polish guy,

1089
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:09,760
you know.

1090
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: And and well it's as Thomas. It's as Thomas says. Really,

1091
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,119
if you believe the Bible, Jews don't exist anymore because

1092
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:22,119
they don't have a temple to sacrifice and they have

1093
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,239
they have no way to propitiate their sins.

1094
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 3: That's right. Well, I mean Thomas is a is reform

1095
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,800
like I am. So I mean he understands that that propitiation, expiation.

1096
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:39,760
But yeah, it's a I have no problem, and I

1097
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,640
really don't have. I have no problem with the faithful,

1098
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:51,079
serious uh Jew who is a spiritual, truly trying to

1099
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:56,560
follow all those inconsistencies that you, me and Thomas would

1100
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:01,760
would say exist regardless. If if it's if it's a

1101
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,960
group of peaceful people trying to follow their faith in

1102
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,640
and amongst themselves in the nineteen sixty seven borders or

1103
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:15,840
the nineteen forty eight borders or whatever, then I'm okay

1104
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,920
with that. I don't But that's not what's going on now.

1105
01:17:20,079 --> 01:17:28,119
You have materialists, socialists who are honestly in mimetic in

1106
01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:34,159
a Girardi and fervor, following down this mimetic path of

1107
01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:41,920
those who they have rightly or you know, rightly demonized.

1108
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:46,439
But they're becoming like that which they've demonized forever. And

1109
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:51,720
it's it's gerard top to bottom. It's sad. But what

1110
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,960
they're doing is they're squeezing out the ability for the peaceful,

1111
01:17:56,359 --> 01:17:59,560
spiritual And I'm not talking about the Kabbad or any

1112
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,399
of that's uff. I'm talking about just the faithful, normal

1113
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,479
Jewish guy to to have a homeland and follow out

1114
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,119
his faith. They're making it impossible for that guy, and

1115
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:14,279
that's sad. That's sad. I think Islam is silly too,

1116
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,640
but I understand that a lot of people believe in

1117
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,439
it and they want to have places where they can

1118
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:24,239
peacefully worship their understanding of Allah. I got no problem

1119
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:29,119
with that. But but just like just like uh uh,

1120
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,560
you know, the the Wahabbies made it pretty difficult for

1121
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,960
those guys. This, this ruling class of Israelis is making

1122
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,720
it pretty hard for that peaceful uh Jew right now.

1123
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,479
And that's that's sad. And so I just pray that

1124
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,920
that some sanity can be brought to uh uh, to Israel,

1125
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:53,399
or we just say wash our hands of them. But

1126
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,000
it doesn't look like that's going to happen under Trump

1127
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,520
for whatever reason.

1128
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Speaker 2: So people tell people where they can find your work.

1129
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:10,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, The American Mind published by Clermont Institute, and I

1130
01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:15,640
love those guys. They do great work at Responsible state Craft,

1131
01:19:16,319 --> 01:19:20,560
which is a publication of the Quincy Institute, uh uh,

1132
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:25,800
and American Reformer. At my substack Ron the Eyes of Apilles,

1133
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:28,239
Ron Dotson dots.

1134
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,319
Speaker 1: That was a really good substock this morning. Well, I

1135
01:19:32,319 --> 01:19:35,239
mean it's a It's a very important subject to think

1136
01:19:35,279 --> 01:19:40,079
that even if you're preparing, even if you're doing everything

1137
01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:46,000
that you possibly can to prepare for an eventual downfall

1138
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:49,560
or catastrophe or change, that you can do everything that

1139
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,239
you you think you've done correctly and still not be

1140
01:19:53,279 --> 01:19:54,960
the ones that come up come out on top.

1141
01:19:55,079 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 3: That's right, that's that's right. That that volatility, volatility has

1142
01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:09,279
greater cost to those on the margin, and and always

1143
01:20:09,319 --> 01:20:14,479
declares the most adaptable the winner. And that neither one

1144
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,760
of those things looks very good for the US right now.

1145
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:21,039
So those are my big takeaways. Now, you don't have

1146
01:20:21,079 --> 01:20:23,039
to read my substock. Go read my substock anyway.

1147
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

1148
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 3: And then I'm short.

1149
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,319
Speaker 2: It's shockingly short for run.

1150
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:33,319
Speaker 3: Thank thank you, Pete. Imagine. Yeah, I've never been. Uh,

1151
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:37,640
I've never been. Uh. I'm quite loquacious. I will I

1152
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,439
will fully own that, all right, I bet.

1153
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:42,319
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

1154
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 3: You've been always a pleasure to be with you. Support

1155
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,159
Pete subscribe

1156
01:20:48,399 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 2: Thanks Matt, see ya