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<v Speaker 1>It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn

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<v Speaker 1>S e O and JP sorrows He's a lapsed fan.

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<v Speaker 2>In all my years and wrestling, I've never seen anything like.

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<v Speaker 3>Rop kicking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the laps Fan man number one in the ring

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<v Speaker 1>begin about.

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<v Speaker 2>Osada, a real king of swing when the bell.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes hang and a kick like me throoming in the

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<v Speaker 3>corner with its rash like stick.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Jerry King could say off the crown nodded in

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<v Speaker 2>his head like Steve low Brown? Would you get low down?

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<v Speaker 3>We go even high up? Trip you on your head?

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<v Speaker 4>But you no cool drive speaking monology and dragon slits

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<v Speaker 4>fire give you more shot than the edge, retire from

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<v Speaker 4>dropping more.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth than the conn of sniper unless you would a

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<v Speaker 2>coconut Roddy Piper out, Jack a JP, you a j

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<v Speaker 1>A cupcakes and got the brain Bob Beans.

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<v Speaker 2>The best podcast from the start, the close file of

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<v Speaker 2>Your Benefit fricking Polls.

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<v Speaker 4>We're kind of the occasional series here in the feed

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<v Speaker 4>Boss t LF talks and this is uh, this is

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<v Speaker 4>a unique one. You know, it always doesn't always make

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<v Speaker 4>sense for a podcast formatted like ours to welcome guests

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<v Speaker 4>from the contemporary scene, because we devote our lives trying

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<v Speaker 4>to understand yesterday. Like the winners, we are will exactly

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<v Speaker 4>exactly it doesn't you know, that doesn't denote any psychological

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<v Speaker 4>problems or anything which is great for us exactly, but

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<v Speaker 4>this is this is we have access this time around,

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<v Speaker 4>and we hope you out in the Solar system appreciate this.

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<v Speaker 4>To a rare species, the the lifelong fan who got

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<v Speaker 4>to work for WWE and then is on the other

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<v Speaker 4>side of it now and looking back like what what

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<v Speaker 4>was that? Necessarily what was that all about? His name

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<v Speaker 4>is Matt Camp. You should know him from The Bump,

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<v Speaker 4>which of course was a ww digital show for years

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<v Speaker 4>on there.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard that. I heard it was hard the Race's

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<v Speaker 3>favorite show.

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<v Speaker 4>He's He's known to Bump, no question. Also, Matt spent

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<v Speaker 4>years in the Busted Open radio show. He's back with

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<v Speaker 4>those folks at Serious XM and a fan who got

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<v Speaker 4>to work there, and Matt one, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 4>for being on on the Laps Fans air waves.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, you set me up beautifully because I

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<v Speaker 2>get to tell us tell a story right away. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, thank you for having me on. All those

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<v Speaker 2>things were correct and very nice, you said, Harley Race.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you think of anybody else who's been around in

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<v Speaker 2>WW forever who might make a similar joke?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>God, Well, he may.

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<v Speaker 2>He may be very involved with main events every single month.

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<v Speaker 2>He might work behind the scenes. He may have video.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, I'm talking about bump and the

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<v Speaker 2>joke that you made the bump. Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Hayes. I was once backstage at a raw h

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, and I met him, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was you knew how to sell ribs or not

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<v Speaker 2>sell them or whatever, and he was like, Matt Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Ben. I was sorry, okay, I'm from the Bump.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what the bump is. I said, all right, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I was with Kayla was like, would

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<v Speaker 2>you ever like to come on the Bump. I've done

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<v Speaker 2>a bump or two the show is And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>nice to meet you, Mike. I thought that's fine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think he actually was on once like

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<v Speaker 2>about his clothing and him and Kayla went shopping. He

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<v Speaker 2>was very appreciative, but that was my like first interaction.

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<v Speaker 2>He looked me up and down and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>suit that was similar to his color, which if you

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen him dress, so it was very loud. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not my color.

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<v Speaker 3>I prefer not to watch him when he's dressed.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that sounds that yeah, okay, in his state of dress.

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<v Speaker 5>I prefer to see his you know, yeah, his attire

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<v Speaker 5>as miss him.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's also a long heritage of having a

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<v Speaker 4>bump or two on the table when you get back

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<v Speaker 4>to the locker room as well. Let's be very clear

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<v Speaker 4>about that double entendre potential as well. Not to say

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<v Speaker 4>that that's not the business anymore though, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, John Cena said the same thing to

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<v Speaker 2>me when I got to I interviewed him. He was

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<v Speaker 2>it was the Fast nine trailer premiere at the Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl in twenty twenty, and he had heard about the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he was there. All he cared about

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<v Speaker 2>was South Paul. I will tell you guys that, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>producer I was with. He's like, are we doing it?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like he's like, that's wagging it up in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. And we talked about the bum and he

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<v Speaker 2>made the joke during the interview He's like, oh, bump

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<v Speaker 2>huh what about the wrestling part? Like, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys like? Ah, he goes, oh morning show, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>need that stuff. I was like, whoa Jesus John? All right,

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<v Speaker 2>but yes, and I one really random fact that show

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<v Speaker 2>was nearly called ding ding ding.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you serious? Yes, that's like Jim Hurds show.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say it would be ding Dong ding Dong.

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<v Speaker 2>They just wanted it to be the bell that was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be. I was like, and what are we supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do with it? And they settled on the bump,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also tough to explain to people too.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So all right, the double entendres run thick, and the

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<v Speaker 4>appreciation for wordplay is you know, it reaches Titan towers.

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<v Speaker 4>So before we forget to mention it because I shudder

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<v Speaker 4>at the thought, Matt's doing kind of self starting Thing's

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<v Speaker 4>got a great YouTube channel, the Wrestling mattshow dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>You can subscribe and get access to some of his insights.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's in our world now, welcome to Welcome to

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<v Speaker 4>the basement dwellers. You know us all well, Matt is

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<v Speaker 4>your studio in the basement per chance, of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course it is absolutely yeah, right there was a playroom

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<v Speaker 2>we redid for my daughter, which then became like my

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<v Speaker 2>corner where if anybody's watched my sneaker collections behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden, there's lights up, and how

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<v Speaker 2>do we light this thing? And all the nice lights

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<v Speaker 2>we had put in are actually too bright, so we

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<v Speaker 2>have to turn those off and we have to get

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<v Speaker 2>these random lamps from the target. So I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did this beforehand, and right before I got

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<v Speaker 2>hired the computer I'm using right now, I bought all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff to do to do twitch and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I don't need that anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>here I am, guys, I'm right back to doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's I was ready for it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff happened. And during the pandemic, they sent

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<v Speaker 2>me a bunch of stuff and we're like, hey, can

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<v Speaker 2>you do an extra interurant poor from your house? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I have this big giant screen behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>can you send me a grab? And that's what it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and hanging a camera off the wall so people could

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<v Speaker 2>know that Kyle Rally had a bad neck from Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. That's that's what we did. And now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>back to I got a team, and they're they're very

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<v Speaker 2>good and helpful. But yeah, it's it's me in front

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<v Speaker 2>of a camera in my basement at least five days

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<v Speaker 2>a week.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great. It's great. So let's start where in a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of ways JP and I started. You know, the

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<v Speaker 4>origin story. We've told it one hundred times on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>I see no mercy in his n sixty four in

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<v Speaker 4>the college dorm room. I look at him. I go,

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<v Speaker 4>you a fan? And here we are, all these years later.

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<v Speaker 4>So when did you become a fan? What's your true north?

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<v Speaker 4>As far as like the heart and the essence of

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<v Speaker 4>the wrestling of your childhood? Take us through that first.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had a wonderful I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>you'd call your grandmother's sister, but my great grandaunt or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>who had well black boxes because her husband worked for

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<v Speaker 2>a cable television repair thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So always good to have one of those friends in

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine like telling people that now, like I've

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<v Speaker 2>tried to explain that story, I'm like, so there used

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<v Speaker 2>to be a thing where you get like, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it's like finding a stream of a show, which you

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<v Speaker 2>should never do. By the way, you should always pay

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<v Speaker 2>for everything. But anyway, back in the day the cable

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<v Speaker 2>box black box, you can get the pay per view channels.

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<v Speaker 2>So she would like randomly tape shows for me, and

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<v Speaker 2>the first one she ever taped me was Wrestling A seven. Right, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>like what A ran like real good and there's some

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<v Speaker 2>real bad and seven year old Matt Camp or six

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. I was had no idea that they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>sell enough tickets to run the coliseum, or as Bruce said,

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<v Speaker 2>there was the threat of bombing because of the Saudi

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<v Speaker 2>War and all that. But anyway, I watched that was

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<v Speaker 2>over by that point, yeah, or the what do they

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<v Speaker 2>call the Persian Golf for the whatever it was, yeah, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my first full on show. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>I had watched you know, Superstars or Wrestling Challenge or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I had watched that stuff, but that was my first

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<v Speaker 2>full on show. So you know, rockers are on that show,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously Warrior in Savage and I didn't get what

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<v Speaker 2>no selling was at the time. And now I look

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<v Speaker 2>back at he kicked out of five of those frigging elbows.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's horrible. But then the main event, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even think I like that match, even though I had

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<v Speaker 2>just started.

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<v Speaker 3>What is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is really slow? This hooken. Isn't this guy

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<v Speaker 2>cheating like he's the good guy? Like you know all

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<v Speaker 2>I got that the Hogan experience of USA and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that was seven is what ninety one? Yeah? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So I also remember, and I know my timeline was

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<v Speaker 2>I remember watching Hogan Warrior like it's the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>I saw from six, and I was a Warrior guy,

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<v Speaker 2>not a Hogan guy. And now I look back and go, like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have been wrong either way. But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You were six, So that's how it works. A year later,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad took me to a house show at MSG.

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<v Speaker 2>It was February ninth two. Flair had just won the

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<v Speaker 2>Rumble and become world champ. And the cool thing was

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<v Speaker 2>is they did matches obviously leading up to a battle

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<v Speaker 2>oil at the end. So it was like Bulldog and Taker,

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<v Speaker 2>Repoman and Roddy was a seven minute house show match

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<v Speaker 2>and Repo Man comes out and this woman who's clearly

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<v Speaker 2>a plant in the front row, like he steals her

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<v Speaker 2>watch and she doesn't know it, because that's what Repo

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<v Speaker 2>men do you just steal people's stuff, You don't just

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<v Speaker 2>take it? And then Piper comes out and goes to

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<v Speaker 2>the lady and he hugs her and they have a

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<v Speaker 2>very quick match. I don't think any bumps were taken.

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<v Speaker 2>And Piper gets the White Watch back. And then at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the night, everybody in the Battle Royal

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<v Speaker 2>who had already faced off finds themselves. They're all fighting,

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<v Speaker 2>and the end of the battle Flair gets eliminated in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle, like they just get him out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it comes down to Hogan and Sid and Hogan wins.

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<v Speaker 2>Hogan must pose and all that, and he uses like

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the end of the show. And I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>like my dad bought me an Ultimate Sparrior sweatshirt that day.

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<v Speaker 2>I also know I went as Hogan for Halloween, so

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff got all mixed together, and

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<v Speaker 2>who knows where my brain was at. But that was

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<v Speaker 2>it those first couple of years. That was the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And you know, after that, I was locked

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<v Speaker 2>in and I've never stopped watching. I had no like

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<v Speaker 2>I met girls in high school or like I just

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<v Speaker 4>So it was like those two things are connected, by

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just kept going, Like I remember being in college,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm watching raw and I got enough people involved

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<v Speaker 2>to watch. And that's two thousand and three, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is at that time. And then we would

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<v Speaker 2>I never stopped. And here I'm talking to you guys

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<v Speaker 2>all these years later.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great. That's great. So very similar paths. I mean, boss,

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<v Speaker 4>we've talked about Wrestling eighty seven is formative one hundred times.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean we're talking about that. I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 5>like my prime era right there. I mean, I you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you seven, and then I went to a house show

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<v Speaker 5>February of ninety two at the Boston Garden. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel that no Battle Royal, I'm bummed about that.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna love the Battle Royal. But I did see

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<v Speaker 5>I did see Hogan and Piper versus Flair and Sid

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what it was cool is. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>did a lot of great stuff with Janella videographer John

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<v Speaker 2>Carlotamo and him and I worked it up to be

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, and he's like, have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>liked He goes, do you want to look for something?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what are you talking about? We

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<v Speaker 2>can pull up anything. And I was like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you what do you mean? And he's like, pick something

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, we watched because you've ever

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<v Speaker 2>seen this before? And he pull up vignette and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and I go, he can you do me a fan ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Because then I realized I was like, I was an

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred or a Cornett or a Gorilla or whatever. They

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<v Speaker 2>And I found the date and he found it and

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<v Speaker 2>they had I got to watch the first show I went,

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<v Speaker 2>which was unbelievab. I was like, oh my god, it's

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<v Speaker 2>and it's never been released. I mean, I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 2>when you used to put it up back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>But it existed, and I was like, please find that

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<v Speaker 2>piper match right now, and there was. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna steal the Oh my god. I was at

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<v Speaker 2>and so that was kind of cool that I could

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<v Speaker 2>go find it was digital. It was you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>pulled it up on one of the edit machines and

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<v Speaker 2>there it was.

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<v Speaker 4>The vault.

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<v Speaker 3>Vault.

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<v Speaker 2>Got asked about that, and yes, that one that's like

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<v Speaker 2>far away somewhere does exist. I never went to it,

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<v Speaker 2>the one in where is it Albany or somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>Connecticut somewhere. I know they have that building. Uh, but

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<v Speaker 2>like the server room because I saw I'm a big

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<v Speaker 2>Todd guy. Todd is my ultimate Like interesting, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's I know you guys can't see it. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a Todd actions figure right behind me. And I've spoken

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<v Speaker 2>to the man multiple times. Yes, and uh, he actually

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<v Speaker 2>did one of those watch alongs and he did that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was I had always said, like, who's your A

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<v Speaker 2>month into my tenure, I was on a Watch Along

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<v Speaker 2>for that awful fiend seth Hell in a cell match

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm on the show with a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 2>and someone's like, what's your what's your dream bumpcast? I

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<v Speaker 2>said Todd, Pet and Gill and everyone laughed at me

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<v Speaker 2>and Natally goes, oh, I remember Todd. He was so

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<v Speaker 2>nice and I was like, thank you, Naddy, you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent correct. And a couple of months later,

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<v Speaker 2>I get a call like, hey, we're in Houston for

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<v Speaker 2>Watch Along. We think we can get Todd. He lives

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<v Speaker 2>in Austin, And I was like, wait, are you real

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<v Speaker 2>Todd get Todd like yeah, we get him, and we

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<v Speaker 2>got him, and me and Gargano were on the Watch

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<v Speaker 2>Along and no one need else needed to be there

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<v Speaker 2>that it needed to be cameras on. We were just like.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Todd, how many free gifts did you

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<v Speaker 2>give out? Because that's all I talk about when I said,

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<v Speaker 2>did you get your free gift? That's like the UPC

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<v Speaker 2>codes and did you just save your pay per view bill?

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<v Speaker 2>And all of course was to just get your address

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<v Speaker 2>so they could send you more stuff. And I asked him.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, oh, Diesel gloves and macho sunglass or bread

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<v Speaker 2>he goes. There was a whole room of that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if it all got set. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was so cool and nice. And when they brought him,

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<v Speaker 2>when they did in your House, we got him to

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<v Speaker 2>come on the bump, and then because he was on

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<v Speaker 2>the bump, people were like, hey, he slows his fastball.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why Todd worked those in your houses the

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<v Speaker 2>next two years.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he suddenly popped up again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he was so cool and uh yeah, so Todd

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<v Speaker 2>is my wrestling godfather. But the server room where they

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<v Speaker 2>did Mania and Live Wire and all that stuff, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to shoot a pre tape there at Gargano and

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, it's too loud in here, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the same room, but you could see the bones

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<v Speaker 2>of like that tape room. Wow, all there, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>not in that building anymore. Everything got moved out. But

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<v Speaker 2>I worked there to do you know, raw Talk and

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<v Speaker 2>s back down low down. But I was like, can

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<v Speaker 2>we go look? And I pulled it up and some

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<v Speaker 2>of the people I worked with that were on the

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<v Speaker 2>board for Raw Talk and SmackDown Load were working there

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<v Speaker 2>back then. They're like, and I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all on YouTube, like for real. And I

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<v Speaker 2>showed them and I was like, can you show me

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<v Speaker 2>where this is? And they walked me ten feet away.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, it's here, but it's too loud and we

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<v Speaker 2>can't shoot anything in here because it's all got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fans and everything to keep the server room cool. But

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<v Speaker 2>that building up until a few months ago was still

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<v Speaker 2>in use and you could absolutely see where they shot

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<v Speaker 2>those shows.

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<v Speaker 4>That's wonderful, all right. So we talked about the volume.

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<v Speaker 4>We're pretty obsessed with it, right, boss, I know the.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been talking about the Vault since they came out

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<v Speaker 5>with the Shawn Michaels DVD from the Vault back in

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<v Speaker 5>like two thousand and two or two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 5>Like we were when they when they had that title.

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<v Speaker 3>And they never did it again.

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<v Speaker 5>They never released another DVD set from the Vault, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was just like I from that moment on to

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something that matters as much because everything is

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, digitized and everything, and you know with

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<v Speaker 2>Peacock and you know, getting everything up with the network

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever they had to do for that and then

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<v Speaker 2>get everything over the peacock, and I'm sure they're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with that stuff now for Netflix. It's not as big,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a lot of stuff that exists and if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't get it, like we had Jeff Jared on

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<v Speaker 2>before Summerslim a couple of years ago when he did

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<v Speaker 2>the ref stuff and I always like to dig deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, come on, we gotta find and we found

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<v Speaker 2>he had done that hair versus hair match with X

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<v Speaker 2>Pocket SummerSlam ninety eight. Yep, they did another one, or

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<v Speaker 2>they did some like a ladder match or something at

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<v Speaker 2>a house show in December, and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up on Cage Match. This exists, can

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<v Speaker 2>we And they found like crappy footage. We were able

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<v Speaker 2>to show it and he was like, you have this,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had him and Waltman on and they both

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it and they were both like, oh, and

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<v Speaker 2>they knew spots from the match, and so they don't

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<v Speaker 2>utilize it as much now. And I know they have

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<v Speaker 2>that new YouTube page called the Vault and they're just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of throwing random stuff on it and it's already

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<v Speaker 2>become too recent, but all of that stuff still exists,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do, and I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how you guys feel. I'm worried we're never

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. You know.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the one of the things that really really

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<v Speaker 5>bummed us out was that the Hidden Gem section of

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<v Speaker 5>the old network didn't you guys, didn't transfer to Peacock.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like, that's what we want.

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<v Speaker 5>We want all that stuff, you know, like we had

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<v Speaker 5>a whole you know, we had a whole series, actually

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<v Speaker 5>a whole Patreon exclusive series which was just going through

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<v Speaker 5>all that old stuff, you know, video by video and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, chronologically, and it's like it's gone.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, I tried.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all because I was like, can I you guys

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<v Speaker 2>like hired me to be the wrestling nerd. That's basically

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. And I'm sure we'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh can we can? We can we bring that back?

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<v Speaker 2>Like can I curate this? I I think you guys

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<v Speaker 2>trust me enough. And the closest thing I got was

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of last year, early into this year,

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<v Speaker 2>before I got let go, I just pitched like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys done this. Everybody's done this, Like Can

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<v Speaker 2>we just watch old stuff? I'm friends with chef. Can

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<v Speaker 2>I just watch stuff and we just shoot the shit

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<v Speaker 2>about it? And they're like yeah, because they had like

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<v Speaker 2>a ver in the Twitch deals very much doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>much Sam, and they only have one thing on it now,

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<v Speaker 2>but they had started it up and they made like

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<v Speaker 2>a Twitch room because they didn't understand that Twitch is

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<v Speaker 2>not actually in somebody's bedroom all the time, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's make it seem like somebody's room something so that

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<v Speaker 2>it was in someone's office. The guy who hired me

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<v Speaker 2>three years later, his office became the Twitch room, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I wantow. So me and I've known Chef

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<v Speaker 2>Reactions for a year and a half. He's coming to

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<v Speaker 2>my wedding in a couple of months, and I was like, hey, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're gonna pay you, but do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do twitch with me for like an hour

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesdays? And he's like absolutely. And I had gotten

422
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<v Speaker 2>him in with Corbett and all the stuff they did

423
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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago. So all I was told

424
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<v Speaker 2>was you have to watch stuff that's on the ww

425
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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel. We can't put up anything new. We can't

426
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<v Speaker 2>you know, give you stuff. It's got to be there

427
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<v Speaker 2>or else. Twitch It's so I was just going. I

428
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<v Speaker 2>talked to someone around the YouTube team. I was like,

429
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<v Speaker 2>can I have the master lists?

430
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<v Speaker 1>He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneo

431
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<v Speaker 1>and Jpisoro. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

432
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<v Speaker 4>Master list is that's look? The master list is worth

433
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<v Speaker 4>three hundred thousand dollars. Do you hear me?

434
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<v Speaker 2>It's not as good as you would think either. I

435
00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.720
<v Speaker 2>was very disappointed. I was like, is this on here? No?

436
00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And we Well, that's the thing.

437
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<v Speaker 4>It's so important to manage those expectations because we're sitting

438
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<v Speaker 4>here thinking is everything there? And if we know what

439
00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:22.599
<v Speaker 4>is and isn't there, then we can proceed with sanity.

440
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<v Speaker 4>But until we know the difference, we're in a very

441
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<v Speaker 4>dangerous place.

442
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<v Speaker 3>Matt.

443
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<v Speaker 2>I think we need it to watch full matches. I

444
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to watch like here's three highlight ninety.

445
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<v Speaker 3>No no no, no no no.

446
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<v Speaker 2>And then like also I was told like, well, if

447
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<v Speaker 2>it's got the f you can't watch it, and someone's like,

448
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<v Speaker 2>oh screw it, you could watch it. Not that many

449
00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.359
<v Speaker 2>people are watching you anyway, And I was like that's true.

450
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<v Speaker 2>That's that's one hundred percent fair. Just let me watch stuff.

451
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<v Speaker 2>So we watched, like I think the first thing we

452
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<v Speaker 2>watched was Hogan and Giant with the monster trucks and

453
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<v Speaker 2>then he comes back and they wrestle. Later on we

454
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<v Speaker 2>watched we watched that from WCW. We watched you know,

455
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<v Speaker 2>Stinging Brett and Sting has got tomato face, so you

456
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<v Speaker 2>know that. And we would just like, give me random

457
00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>funny stuff to watch, like I don't I'm not going

458
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<v Speaker 2>to make fun of current stuff. We just want to

459
00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.640
<v Speaker 2>laugh at it. We watched WCW stuff, and we watched

460
00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.319
<v Speaker 2>WWF stuff, and you know, we watched more recent stuff

461
00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.720
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was going well and then then

462
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<v Speaker 2>I was done. But I was like, there's a whole

463
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of people that want to watch this, and this

464
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<v Speaker 2>is not going to cost you that much to give them.

465
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<v Speaker 4>That's that's the key. It's not how many, it's the

466
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<v Speaker 4>margin that you can make. Come on, folks, like wake

467
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<v Speaker 4>the fuck up, Like people will pay one hundred dollars

468
00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.480
<v Speaker 4>a month to see this stuff, Like what is wrong

469
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<v Speaker 4>with you?

470
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<v Speaker 2>Guys's just had this conversation on my show and I

471
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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know the aw maybe getting the dal

472
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<v Speaker 2>with Max. It's going to allow hopefully so many more

473
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<v Speaker 2>people to see their full library and it's five years

474
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<v Speaker 2>worth of stuff. But you know, when the network came

475
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<v Speaker 2>out and I was like, that's it. Ten bucks, I

476
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<v Speaker 2>get the pay per views, I get everything.

477
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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

478
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<v Speaker 2>And I still have a picture on my phone of

479
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<v Speaker 2>that first screenshot, like when it was live. I was

480
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<v Speaker 2>sitting there and I was like, this is unreal. What

481
00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.759
<v Speaker 2>are people like bitching about the number? And I was like,

482
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<v Speaker 2>you don't realize how And they added way more and

483
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<v Speaker 2>they finally got the network to a good spot and

484
00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:09.799
<v Speaker 2>then I got moved to Peacock and now we have

485
00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:13.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, remember that season back in nineteen when WrestleMania happened.

486
00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:17.160
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, nobody and everybody knows it's bad. Believe me, guys,

487
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<v Speaker 2>they know that's a they know and they do what

488
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<v Speaker 2>they can. And Peacock was not necessarily ready for that,

489
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<v Speaker 2>and it took time, and you know, that's that is

490
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<v Speaker 2>what it is, but you know it was it was

491
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<v Speaker 2>a gold mine. And now it's on Peacock and it's

492
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<v Speaker 2>five bucks or ten bucks and you get to watch

493
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<v Speaker 2>the Office and stuff on top of it too, but

494
00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.440
<v Speaker 2>like to have all that stuff and I don't know

495
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<v Speaker 2>what's gonna make the next transition. I am legit worried

496
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<v Speaker 2>about that, and I don't know if they care.

497
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<v Speaker 5>Now that's kind of thing like, is there is there

498
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<v Speaker 5>somebody there who like, is there what's the reason why

499
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<v Speaker 5>so much stuff like for for example, like the fact

500
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<v Speaker 5>that all of primetime wrestling is not up there.

501
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<v Speaker 3>Not all the prime time wrestling up there, because you

502
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<v Speaker 3>have a choice.

503
00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a choice. It's also manpower. You know, we got

504
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<v Speaker 2>a four manute, you know, and it's upscaling or.

505
00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:13.400
<v Speaker 4>You don't know, you don't know, you don't no, Nope, listen,

506
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.720
<v Speaker 4>put point a fucking cell phone camera at the monitor.

507
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<v Speaker 4>Let's get this going.

508
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not.

509
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<v Speaker 3>I'll volunteer. I'll volunteer.

510
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.880
<v Speaker 4>We're talking a volunteer thousands of people that will do

511
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<v Speaker 4>this for them for free.

512
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<v Speaker 2>All right, But that's that is what it is. It's

513
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>it's there's efforts to have to put that stuff up

514
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:35.720
<v Speaker 2>and they go, you know, we're gonna do this. You

515
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<v Speaker 2>know Tom Green who does w CW Deep Cuts, who

516
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<v Speaker 2>I love, and it has all that stuff, and I'm

517
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<v Speaker 2>like I'm glad he has it, because they're not going

518
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<v Speaker 2>to put up those Saturday nights. They're not going to

519
00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.519
<v Speaker 2>put up those thunders or what like. And and I

520
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 2>know there's an audience for it, but there's I guess

521
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<v Speaker 2>the question is is there enough that it's going to

522
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<v Speaker 2>move the needle for them monetarily or is there enough

523
00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:58.599
<v Speaker 2>stuff up there? They go, well, don't worry, you can

524
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<v Speaker 2>watch just look at a different met trick.

525
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<v Speaker 4>Instead of total revenue, just look at how much you

526
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:04.119
<v Speaker 4>have to spend to make the money in charge, one

527
00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.640
<v Speaker 4>hundred dollars a month. And it'll be just like please, like.

528
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.079
<v Speaker 2>There's yes, tell me here, you have access to this.

529
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:13.200
<v Speaker 4>Gets your account, get your accounting, all gimmicks on it,

530
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.440
<v Speaker 4>and you know, make it sound like it makes sense.

531
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 4>But do the right fucking thing, because if you're gonna

532
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<v Speaker 4>buy everything and then hoard it, that's some bullshit.

533
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<v Speaker 2>And now, and I know there were people there who

534
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:26.920
<v Speaker 2>may still be there, that cared and that wanted that

535
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<v Speaker 2>to be the thing, and they had gotten the network

536
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<v Speaker 2>to a good spot. I had I had a project

537
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I was working on right before the pandemic of I

538
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:38.240
<v Speaker 2>basically wanted to take you know, the podcast format of

539
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.279
<v Speaker 2>what Conrad and Bruce did and they ran that into

540
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:44.599
<v Speaker 2>the ground, but do it for more, Like, hey, here's

541
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:46.720
<v Speaker 2>the mizz for these couple of years, no one's ever

542
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 2>done that with him. Let's talk about these years I did.

543
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I did an entire hour and forty minute pilot with

544
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Kofe from his debut on ACW to like the stuff

545
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.160
<v Speaker 2>with Randy, like that whole run, and we had clips

546
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to show him throughout and he's telling me stories about

547
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:07.759
<v Speaker 2>how Big show caved his chest in and that's why

548
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>it looks like it did. And you know, I pulled up.

549
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.119
<v Speaker 2>We got his dark match with Steve Carino on a

550
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 2>SmackDown and he loved it, he said, and he was

551
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<v Speaker 2>he was the bump pilot. I wasn't even there when

552
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>they did that. Kofe is the best. Kofe is a

553
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>wonderful person. He should be as grizzled as anybody for

554
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>as long as he's worked there, and he's always been

555
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<v Speaker 2>the same guy. And I did that show with him

556
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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, man, this is so great. I haven't

557
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.640
<v Speaker 2>talked about so much of this stuff. And I had Hayman.

558
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:36.799
<v Speaker 2>I had a thing where I wanted to do raise

559
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:42.480
<v Speaker 2>just ECW and w CW stuff stuff with show I

560
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<v Speaker 2>at all, and they're like, well, you know that's that's

561
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a lot to get that stuff. And you

562
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<v Speaker 2>know Steve does something like that, right, And I'm like,

563
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:51.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to do broken skull sessions. I'm trying

564
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.359
<v Speaker 2>to talk about ms Versusino with his chick Madden shirt. Yeah,

565
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:55.319
<v Speaker 2>they're like a whole different world.

566
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<v Speaker 4>They're like, way, but that doesn't remind me of a

567
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.680
<v Speaker 4>real television show that if I produced a simile of it,

568
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.720
<v Speaker 4>I would feel like a big boy. Okay, that doesn't

569
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:05.839
<v Speaker 4>remind me of something I've seen before that I feel

570
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:07.799
<v Speaker 4>like would make me feel like someone who doesn't work

571
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<v Speaker 4>in a carnival.

572
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I had to fight with something like is it going

573
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<v Speaker 2>to be more than an hour? And I was like, yeah,

574
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 2>like that's a lot. I was like why why exactly?

575
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, shut the fuck up, car, sh It's over.

576
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>And then I get back in the car and I

577
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:24.960
<v Speaker 2>resume my podcast like like anything.

578
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 4>Because the people who will watch it for four hours

579
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 4>are worth money. The people who have to have it

580
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.319
<v Speaker 4>in forty five minutes are going to move on to

581
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 4>the next thing, and they're not money. That long term period,

582
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 4>Hard stop podcasting.

583
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 3>Proved it basically they suck.

584
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 2>They do and then got to the point where it's like,

585
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 2>oh well, it's kind of you know, a podcast like

586
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a video show and bubba. I'm like, yes, I know,

587
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to tell you guys this and you

588
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:50.519
<v Speaker 2>know that's the kind of stuff that I was like,

589
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.400
<v Speaker 2>it's right here. I work here. I work here on

590
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 2>Mondays and Wednesdays and Friday.

591
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.359
<v Speaker 4>I already work here, guys, and I'm putting my hand.

592
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<v Speaker 2>Up like let's can we do this? Like it's I

593
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and I was doing all the research. I was like here,

594
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I would watch every friggin' Raw that Seamus was on

595
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>from me, like I had an episode with him. Here's

596
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Seamus and ecw all the way to whatever. I think

597
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.759
<v Speaker 2>the few with triple.

598
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.240
<v Speaker 4>H me get me situated. Part of my ignorance. This

599
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.200
<v Speaker 4>this this idea you're talking about, Matt, you shot with

600
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.519
<v Speaker 4>kofee and Seamus. Did they see the light of day?

601
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 4>Because I haven't seen.

602
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Him, Just goffe, no, it didn't. I just did with

603
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Seameless is going to be the next one. It's just

604
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:26.559
<v Speaker 2>right before the pace you.

605
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 4>Actually did it, and that they just like, come on, guys.

606
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, I'll tell you a thing. I think something

607
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 2>that happened and it's very unlucky Koffee had bed internet.

608
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but I heard it. I heard it, and

609
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I sent it to people outside of the company, like,

610
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.559
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, this is great and I had ten ideas.

611
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 2>And as you may now know, there is no podcast

612
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.359
<v Speaker 2>for ww even though they're trying to keep that alive.

613
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 2>But like, but to a podcast.

614
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 5>But I guess here's the thing, Like, so you created

615
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.599
<v Speaker 5>this whole thing, you had all the stuff, and how

616
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 5>much money did it cost them?

617
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Very little? I mean the podcast team, it's the same

618
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 2>guys that did you know the New Day pod or

619
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Cory's pot and it was and it wasn't pulling every

620
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 2>clip and it wasn't you know, that was just a

621
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>job memory if it was something special cool. We knew

622
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:12.920
<v Speaker 2>for some of the older wrestlers, if they needed their

623
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 2>memory job for various reasons, hey, we could show them

624
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>this clip. And if it was just the podcast, fine,

625
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>and the audio is enough, you know, if we played

626
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the audio or something, everybody does that that's enough to do.

627
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 2>We just want to get the stories out of them.

628
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 3>So it costs.

629
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<v Speaker 5>It costs very little, and they have it, and they're

630
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<v Speaker 5>not going to just say, here's a couple hours, let's

631
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<v Speaker 5>just put it up there and see what happens.

632
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<v Speaker 2>Correct And it got it went through multiple receives.

633
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<v Speaker 4>Whatever, house standards or whatever.

634
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I I was there already. They knew. I

635
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<v Speaker 2>knew it. I knew I was good as a host

636
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<v Speaker 2>of doing it. I knew it wasn't handing someone random

637
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<v Speaker 2>who didn't know wrestling as script and be like host

638
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<v Speaker 2>this podcast.

639
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.680
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's someone they hired to be a broadcaster.

640
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<v Speaker 1>You know.

641
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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, you know, yes, yes, and do you

642
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<v Speaker 2>know do.

643
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<v Speaker 3>You know entertainment? Though you know wrestling, but entertainment, that's

644
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 3>the key.

645
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 2>They never even got to that side of the world

646
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 2>because digit old TB for a while. We're separate. It

647
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 2>did like I had to fight through well, you know,

648
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I listened. It was good. I don't know if we

649
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<v Speaker 2>have the manpower to do this. I got that a lot.

650
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're doing so many other things. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, sure, I.

651
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<v Speaker 4>Just I just did it, So what do you mean

652
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:20.759
<v Speaker 4>man power?

653
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 3>I did it.

654
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Like your podcast team is not busy, you're running reruns

655
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 2>at the New Day Pod for a year and a

656
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:28.319
<v Speaker 2>half to pretend like you have a podcast now, Well, my.

657
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 4>Man, Yeah, it's laziness. It's laziness and a lack of

658
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 4>imagination and that's it. Not that mu much more complicated.

659
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Of course we say that all they're making money hand

660
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>over fist right now, So what do I.

661
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 4>Know, Well, yeah, of course, I mean that that's part

662
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<v Speaker 4>of the reason that they can afford to sort of,

663
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<v Speaker 4>you know, mask over things that could that could catch

664
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<v Speaker 4>you know, because here's the here's the risk, Matt. They

665
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 4>put out Kofe's entire thing and people really like it,

666
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 4>and no one cares about the ideal quality, and what

667
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.519
<v Speaker 4>does that mean for half of the production budget? Right,

668
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:56.559
<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, everyone was, all of a sudden

669
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 4>okay with zoom quality during COVID, Right.

670
00:29:59.200 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 3>We got it.

671
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:00.720
<v Speaker 4>We got over that real quick.

672
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>It was edited, they cleaned it up, it was fine.

673
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Any of the is it was fine. On top of

674
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.599
<v Speaker 2>it that so too long to shoot, but we still

675
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:08.640
<v Speaker 2>cut it down and they had a good rough cut

676
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of it. And I was like, you know, if we

677
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.519
<v Speaker 2>try this for six it'll be fine. Like I know,

678
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 2>it'll do well, And I was like, no, we're not

679
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna okay. I was like, I'll go. I'll go to TV.

680
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.160
<v Speaker 2>You need me to go to Raw or smack Down

681
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>or Flying or I'll go to the because I didn't

682
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:22.839
<v Speaker 2>go that often. I was like, but I'll go. You

683
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 2>we need to do this on zoom with people who

684
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>can handle that. We could do it.

685
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 4>No, h JP is it's it's gotta be worse that

686
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 4>we're sitting here thinking why don't they and and actually

687
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:35.119
<v Speaker 4>it's way worse. They have a guy who said I will,

688
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 4>and they still were like that's boring, Like let's call

689
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.359
<v Speaker 4>Bunna Murray again.

690
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.240
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's the whole thing. It's like they're they

691
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<v Speaker 5>there's not even a a you know, we can't or

692
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<v Speaker 5>we you know. It's like basically we don't want to.

693
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it. That's what it comes across as

694
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 3>And that's.

695
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.160
<v Speaker 5>Fucking annoying as hell, because you can have so much

696
00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:58.240
<v Speaker 5>more interesting ship out.

697
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>There and promoting you tell me then, now and forever,

698
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and you show those clips and it's like it's the

699
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 2>same thing. Like the reason A and E has those

700
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>shows is because they overproduced for Peacock. Yeah, and that

701
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.519
<v Speaker 2>actually I don't know if that's totally out there. That

702
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>was a big part of the regime change a couple

703
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago when they moved on from people in digital

704
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 2>is like you could only have so many Keith Lee

705
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:22.759
<v Speaker 2>twenty four to sevens when the guys had three matches,

706
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 2>like and I understand that.

707
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.799
<v Speaker 4>Well, remember Peacock was going to do the Yokazuna one

708
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.759
<v Speaker 4>and then that didn't happen, and then all of a sudden, sir,

709
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 4>you only knew, I'm slapping my knees right now and

710
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 4>take it.

711
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

712
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 2>So they had produced a ton of content, obviously and

713
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>almost too much. Like I understood the like, hey, we

714
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 2>don't need a documentary on this guy who's been on

715
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 2>the roster two weeks, Like we don't need a twenty

716
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 2>four to seven or a three sixty. I got that.

717
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 2>And at some point they looked and said, well, we've

718
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 2>given Peacock all we need to give them, so now

719
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>let's sell this stuff to A and E because they

720
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>want to pay for it. By the way, they still

721
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 2>are a good business plan. I get that. So we

722
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>got what we get. We got the Yoko one icons

723
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>that actually saw the light of day, the Beth Phoenix

724
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 2>once saw the light of day. The one that had

725
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.279
<v Speaker 2>stopped on was Lex.

726
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 4>Oh I'm sorry, I was thinking of the Intrepid. Yeah,

727
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 4>it was Lex that didn't make it.

728
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:18.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

729
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 2>So I had done a show for Taker's Last Ride

730
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.599
<v Speaker 2>documentary called post Mortem, and basically we took whoever was

731
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>like the central figure or someone that could talk about

732
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 2>that episode, and me and Ryan Popolo, who was on

733
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.839
<v Speaker 2>the bump, we would interview that person. So we had

734
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Shane on, we had Michelle McCool on, and we had

735
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 2>aj on, and we had Sean Michaels on and it

736
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.720
<v Speaker 2>was cool to kind of get you know. It was

737
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>very much like talking dead or you know, the breaking

738
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>bad talking, you know, just after the fact. Hey, here's

739
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>everything we saw. Now let's talk about it with the

740
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>important people. So that was the idea for icons. We

741
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:57.240
<v Speaker 2>called it Icons Revisited. So we did it for Yoko

742
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.839
<v Speaker 2>and we had Rakishi on and he was amazing.

743
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Like he was.

744
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 2>He got us crying, he was crying, and we talked

745
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>to a couple a couple of people about Yoko. We

746
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>talked to Brett about Yoko. He loved him. And that's

747
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>what it was. It was like, Okay, I know some

748
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.880
<v Speaker 2>of these people were interviewed for these shows, but some

749
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 2>people weren't. Or now that it's out there, you know

750
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 2>that Yoka one was so well done. It was dark.

751
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 2>It was sad because of how his life ended and

752
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>where he was going and how many people worried about

753
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>his weight. But we were able to go a little deeper.

754
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.119
<v Speaker 2>And then for Beth, you know, we talked to Mickey James,

755
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 2>and we talked to Mally Holly, and then for Lex,

756
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I was excited. I was like, Okay, here we go.

757
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>And I kept here and like, yeah, there's not really

758
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>a good way to end this one because how his

759
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 2>wrestling life kind of ended, like there's no like, yeah,

760
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>whether it be the stuff it Liz or you know,

761
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 2>obviously Lex ending up a wheelchair. And I was like,

762
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>all right, so we shot. I interviewed Bishoff, Flair and

763
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Brett for the lex Icons revisited and they never saw

764
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 2>the light of day. And you know what, RVD had

765
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.359
<v Speaker 2>also made air. I remember we actually got RVD after

766
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the fact, but that is that was the pivot. That

767
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>was Okay, everything's getting shelved, and I think Lex got

768
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Redone and a couple other ones that they were going

769
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>to do got redone and they got turned into biographies

770
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But yeah, there's some of those that didn't

771
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>make air. One of my favorite things is you remember

772
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 2>the Brett WrestleMania arcade, the cabinet commercial where Brett goes

773
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.039
<v Speaker 2>in with lunch and he's showing him how to do

774
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. So there's that image where he is either

775
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>putting a Russian leg sweep or setting up the backbreaker

776
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.320
<v Speaker 2>on the cabinet. If you ever seen that image, it

777
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 2>was in extual. So RJ City and I used to

778
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>argue about this all the time. What move was he doing?

779
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, his hands across. If it's

780
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 2>hands across, he's trying to do the backbreaker, and he's like, no,

781
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 2>it's the Russian leg sweep he wouldn't do. And we

782
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>argued about this, and I was like, all right, if

783
00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I ever talked to Brett, we'll ask him. So for

784
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that icons revisited we had Brett and I go, we

785
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>had him. He was done. I go, Brett, I got

786
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to ask you something. And I walk up to the

787
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 2>camera and I put it up in it and I

788
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, this picture right here, are you doing a

789
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 2>back break or a Russian leg sweep, and in the

790
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>most Brett way possible, he breaks down the science of

791
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 2>it and he goes, yeah, you know, but it was

792
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>probably just a mix of both. And I was like,

793
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 2>oh fuck, and I was like, thank you, Brett. He goes,

794
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you really couldn't do either move because it was a

795
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>it was an arcade game. And I was like, okay, bro,

796
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 2>thank you for your time.

797
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, that's the one thing.

798
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>It's both.

799
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 4>See, that's the one thing you had you guys didn't

800
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 4>consider before approaching Brett. It's an arcade game, so it

801
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.320
<v Speaker 4>couldn't be the move.

802
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 3>It was.

803
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>But he was like, I just kind of did both.

804
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, Brett, that's not a move of joom,

805
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>that's a mix, like what was going on here? And

806
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I had to tell Arday. I was like, it's a

807
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>mix and he just goes, that's bullshit. I know, I know.

808
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Those are my favorite, like those of those moments and

809
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no one would you guys would get this.

810
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 2>We could never put that on the air. Nobody would

811
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>get it. And it was just me getting up or

812
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.199
<v Speaker 2>behind a desk and holding my phone up as close

813
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 2>as I can and I see Brett like and if

814
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>you ever seen Bretty does the same interview spot in

815
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 2>his like kitchen and his dynet set in front of him,

816
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>but you know, the snow is behind him and he's

817
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.800
<v Speaker 2>always like, honest, you know, that's it, and I have

818
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>to hold it all the way up to show him.

819
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, so it reminds me of a vault thing too.

820
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, forever there's been this, this idea that that

821
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 4>in the WWF magazine photo archives is a photoshoot of

822
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 4>Hulk and Brett with tug of war go ahead.

823
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the answer to this. I believe it,

824
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 2>like I've seen it. I believe it. I believe that

825
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 2>whole story of that it was supposed to happen, and

826
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 2>that graphic, that actual match graphic that was made. All

827
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>of it makes sense, and of course makes sense because

828
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the hogan that it didn't happen.

829
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, the magic makes it. But Brett going

830
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 4>in a such detail about the photo shoot and the

831
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 4>fact that these photos themselves have never surfaced, really there

832
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 4>was I.

833
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 5>Mean, you know there was again, you know there there

834
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 5>there were photos in an issue of the WAD magazine

835
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 5>with you know, it was that.

836
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 3>That dream match thing. No, No, it is the dream

837
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 3>wat the dream match thing where they would.

838
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 5>They have these ideas like what if these people faced

839
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 5>off and there was one with Brett and Hogan.

840
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 4>Well yeah, but those I'm looking at it right now.

841
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 4>Those are just individual studio shots that that wasn't That

842
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 4>doesn't appear to be on the same set, and they're

843
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 4>not facing each other as if they can see each other.

844
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 4>But then they did one with bretton Diesel in ninety five.

845
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 4>This time there will be a winner and they're holding

846
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.000
<v Speaker 4>the belt between each other, and I feel like that's

847
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 4>the exact prototype.

848
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 2>For what sure Bruce is like, hey, let's do that

849
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Holgan bread Shoot.

850
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, probably exactly right. They get these archetypes in their minds,

851
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 4>but we've never seen the original. Well so you you progress, Matt,

852
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 4>and you are a lifelong fan and you stick with

853
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 4>it even when others are falling off. We talk a

854
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 4>lot in the lap fan, as you may know, about

855
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 4>the shame and pain of being a wrestling fan. You know,

856
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 4>I'm in broadcasting. What do you broadcast? It's like a

857
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 4>mixture between sports and what is it? It's it's wrestling.

858
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, do you think that stuff's real? I

859
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 4>mean that will never go away. I don't care how

860
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 4>much money they make.

861
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 5>It jumps right to that, It jumps right to how

862
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.119
<v Speaker 5>because you have a job at this company.

863
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh you think that sh it's real?

864
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 4>Wait till they ask you now post ww life.

865
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 2>When you go Now I've thought about that, I'm like,

866
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 2>what do I say? So, how do you handle that before?

867
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Because like I did a New Japan podcast for p

868
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.199
<v Speaker 2>W Insider, which is actually supposed to be an official

869
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 2>New Japan podcast, and then they changed all the regime

870
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 2>and people were gone and New Japan, you know, didn't

871
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:50.199
<v Speaker 2>want to spend money on America and that's what happened.

872
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.840
<v Speaker 2>But I got hired that year, and it's easier to go,

873
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 2>like I work at w B and people like, oh

874
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.280
<v Speaker 2>I know that, like that absolutely that's fine, And I

875
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.239
<v Speaker 2>was there where you know, pandemic is different. But like

876
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 2>after that, once Triple Ahs took over, it did get better.

877
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, obviously has gotten better, and we can

878
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.559
<v Speaker 2>argue all we want and be mad that it doesn't

879
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.519
<v Speaker 2>see the light of day, like the Vault stuff like that,

880
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>But I do believe Nick Khan has taken them to

881
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>greater heights and there is more money to be made

882
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and endeavor and all this stuff. Now, you know that's

883
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 2>it is more. He's made it more acceptable, you know that.

884
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Look at the people that they're bringing in, the level

885
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 2>of celebrity, like all of that stuff. I can't deny that.

886
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I never would and I had always said, like, you know,

887
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 2>anybody who makes through the merger, which I still think

888
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>is an ongoing thing, you're working for a freaking powerhouse.

889
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what it is. That's and look what

890
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 2>they're doing now. I happen to think the show's a

891
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.280
<v Speaker 2>little too glossy for me. I watched MANI and I'm like,

892
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>these are blowoffs the feuds or are we just watching

893
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.039
<v Speaker 2>exhibitions here? Because everything looks too nice? Nobody's that pissed

894
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 2>at each other.

895
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 4>And asked, so, how have you handled the you know

896
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 4>it's fake right question in your lifetime?

897
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 1>He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and se

898
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>mjpro Lapsed fan Wrestling Podcast.

899
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I go, yeah, so are the every TV show you watch?

900
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that the standard answer?

901
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 3>I think?

902
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

903
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Good, Okay, So I don't know, boss, what did what

904
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 4>did we tell people make meth?

905
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Like?

906
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't you know like I always just say, like,

907
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a male soap proper. Now it's obviously gender mix

908
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 2>up and all that, and that's good, Like that's what

909
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>it should be. But that was the easy way. My

910
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.639
<v Speaker 2>mom even called it that. She's like, oh, that's like

911
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 2>me watching you know, General hospital stories exactly. Yeah, And

912
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>my dad took me. And my dad has been a

913
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>sports official for years at the highest level, and he

914
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>liked going, Like I took him to a house. He

915
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.639
<v Speaker 2>took me that first house show. He loved the spectacle

916
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:49.360
<v Speaker 2>of it. He took I took him to a TNA

917
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.360
<v Speaker 2>show when I was friends with people there at uh

918
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>MCU Park where where they play baseball whatever the cyclones.

919
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 2>He loved it. He went to RAW a couple of

920
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>years ago with his wife. She's like, she's a big

921
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 2>broad with she loved it. I think people get it

922
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>more now, right, But that's that makes sense.

923
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 4>She's like, enough generations have turned over to where there's

924
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 4>enough kids who watched it in childhood as a national product,

925
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 4>not as.

926
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not being protected anymore in that way. Yeah, a

927
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 2>part of it too. Everybody's appearing on things or and

928
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the fact that people have become movie stars

929
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 2>John Cena or that helps Rock or even Batista or

930
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>people or you know, it's like, yeah, they were acting

931
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:29.440
<v Speaker 2>on Mondays and now they act in movies. It's the

932
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:29.880
<v Speaker 2>same thing.

933
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 4>Well we switched it up, JP and I you talk about,

934
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 4>what else do you say besides you know it's it's

935
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 4>like the movies are fake. We decided after the UFC

936
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 4>took off that what we would say to people is

937
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 4>actually they changed it. As a result of the rise

938
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.360
<v Speaker 4>of UFC, they felt the pressure to go real and

939
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.679
<v Speaker 4>now WW is completely real if you watch it now,

940
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.760
<v Speaker 4>and we straight face we would not because it's a

941
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 4>stranger that comes at you with that attitude almost always right,

942
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 4>like a party in a party or something.

943
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I would always have because I was doing fantasy football

944
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 2>stuff and wrestling at the same time, so I would

945
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 2>tweet about both and most of the people who follow

946
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 2>me were just looking for fantasy football advice. But I

947
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>got you're not it's fake, right, Oh God, why are

948
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 2>you talking about that?

949
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 3>You know?

950
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I wish you. I wish you create another Twitter account. Okay.

951
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.880
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Oh, what is it about? Why do

952
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:17.840
<v Speaker 4>you think people are like that?

953
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Because they have a voice. Now everybody has a voice

954
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and they said it. That's it. That's all. They have

955
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>a voice, and they have an anonymous voice, and nothing's

956
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>going to happen unless, you know, they go say something

957
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>really terrible and their their account gets supported and they

958
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.159
<v Speaker 2>created a new one. That's all it is.

959
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.639
<v Speaker 3>I've been I've been saying that for years.

960
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 5>Is that that's the one of the biggest problems with

961
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.400
<v Speaker 5>the Internet and social media is that everybody has a

962
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.840
<v Speaker 5>voice now, and most people don't deserve to have one.

963
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't there no one's checking it. We can create

964
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 2>you guys can create the last fan. I could do

965
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 2>my thing. I'm so happy that that is a thing

966
00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and that people who have been able to go, you

967
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 2>know what. I have this phone and I could do

968
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 2>some great things. That's awesome. I'm glad people are making money.

969
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I talked about being friends of chef reactions. He quit

970
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:07.679
<v Speaker 2>his job. He takes care of his grandmother because he

971
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.440
<v Speaker 2>looks at a food and go that's dumb or that's great,

972
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 2>that's awesome.

973
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 4>I love his videos.

974
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's the best, but he also is well aware.

975
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I can't believe I do this for a living,

976
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, Like I think every like that is the

977
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of person I want to see. It's the and

978
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 2>especially in wrestling. You guys, notice, my God, has it

979
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 2>gotten worse than ever?

980
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's almost like, you know, I think it's part

981
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 4>of that denial of the fact that you fell in

982
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 4>love with something that's complete pantomime and foolishness, and like

983
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 4>you have to somehow account for that because in polite

984
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 4>society you can't defend it. Like I don't care if

985
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 4>you make millions of dollars. If you're in this business,

986
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 4>family friends, neighbors, acquaintances judge you and whisper behind your

987
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 4>back when you leave the room about how how developmentally

988
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.639
<v Speaker 4>delayed you must be to folow professional Wrestling, And I

989
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 4>think a way to cocon I way to cope with

990
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 4>that is to get this serious and hardcore about the

991
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 4>minutia of ratings, because that feels real, That feels like

992
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 4>something you can Unlike the football world, where you can't

993
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 4>count on the results to argue over and you can't

994
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 4>go to the matt debating who the better player was

995
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 4>on the field Sunday, that's what we have in wrestling.

996
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.719
<v Speaker 4>We have, like you know, arguing matters of taste and

997
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.519
<v Speaker 4>arguing good or we do have that though.

998
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing, like, that's why First Take exists and

999
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>all that and the greatest you know Lebron loses, Well

1000
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>he sucks, now, no he doesn't. That's what it's become

1001
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>like that to me, that's wrestling forums and that's Twitter,

1002
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's message boards. That's what that's become on television.

1003
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.599
<v Speaker 2>The guy who created that, Jamie Horrowitz, who has his

1004
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 2>own sword, passed like he was part of the new regime.

1005
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to do that for with me, and like

1006
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Helwanie and Sam Roberts and like Tyler Breese, they wanted

1007
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 2>that to be a thing.

1008
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.199
<v Speaker 4>And when you say that to be a thing, please

1009
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 4>give me more.

1010
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.119
<v Speaker 2>The Debate show he created the Debate or First Take.

1011
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Or he's he's the pivot to video guy, right, yeah,

1012
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:54.280
<v Speaker 4>smashing success.

1013
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so Nail did it Fox. And when he came in,

1014
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh jeez. And I had heard things like

1015
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 2>oh he tries the pit talent against each other. He

1016
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 2>did the opposite. He just disappeared like he did nothing,

1017
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 2>He did no work. He was a nick on higher

1018
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and then it was like he just kind of got

1019
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 2>let go and everybody's like, oh.

1020
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:11.159
<v Speaker 4>No one even talks about that.

1021
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Nothing. Nothing.

1022
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 4>So the idea there is that we want our hosts

1023
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.480
<v Speaker 4>to scream at each other about how someone sucks and

1024
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 4>how they're great, like they would, but do so.

1025
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 2>While you work for the company, right, So figure out

1026
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.039
<v Speaker 2>how that works. It's like when they did backstage and like,

1027
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 2>there's page going I don't think this person should be

1028
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a heel and I was like, and that promotes the SmackDown.

1029
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.400
<v Speaker 2>How well we worked there? That's the gray.

1030
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.760
<v Speaker 4>It's always the tough part of like I thought all

1031
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.519
<v Speaker 4>these I thought WW was above that chatter. I thought

1032
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 4>this talent didn't even notice that chatter, and here they

1033
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 4>are trying to mimic it.

1034
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>It was eleven o'clock on Tuesday nights that had no

1035
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 2>lead in. They were trying you know, Punk debuted on

1036
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.079
<v Speaker 2>that show at eleven fifty nine Eastern on a Tuesday

1037
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>night and the lead in was Big ten Basketball.

1038
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1039
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 4>Well, so that you're bringing me to something out, You're

1040
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 4>bringing me something I really want to ask about. And

1041
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 4>I've thought about this for years. I thought about this

1042
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.320
<v Speaker 4>when the network first came out and some of their

1043
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.559
<v Speaker 4>sub numbers were disappointing. In terms of what the Wall

1044
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.440
<v Speaker 4>Street expected, and it's like, what can they do to make,

1045
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, to create the new attitude or like a

1046
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:08.639
<v Speaker 4>step change in how they present wrestling to where people

1047
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:10.000
<v Speaker 4>would give it a look and be like, whoa, really

1048
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 4>they're doing that now, that's crazy. And I was thinking,

1049
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 4>what if you put and tell me why this is

1050
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 4>an awful idea? Because I've tried to workshop this with

1051
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 4>anyone I've ever met who works in the business. Why

1052
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 4>don't you put the creative meetings online?

1053
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Well you'd have to have well I don't think it's

1054
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.679
<v Speaker 2>a sway anymore, but you'd have to just basically have

1055
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:31.639
<v Speaker 2>a camera running for six hours while I have pretty

1056
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.480
<v Speaker 2>waits for Vince to show up. That was a thing. Yeah,

1057
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 2>that was that was like, that's what I am and

1058
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I and I had heard stories of like you know,

1059
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 2>people on the team vincentings it now and it's one

1060
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the morning, and okay, like that's and you

1061
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 2>know those shows get written on Thursday, and you know

1062
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 2>when I had Raw Talk and Smack Down Low Down.

1063
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 2>So I would sit in the green room at the

1064
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>TV studio and watch the shows, but I would get

1065
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.079
<v Speaker 2>the full script of raw and SmackDown every Oh yeah yeah,

1066
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Draft one and Draft two and Draft three and at

1067
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>seven forty five, Draft six, and a lot of stuff

1068
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 2>would change. So unless they had a good editor to

1069
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 2>put all that, you know that what's the closest they've

1070
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 2>come that that that in house uh State media documentary

1071
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 2>they put out about WrestleMania.

1072
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Like that's where I'm going.

1073
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 2>And even then they could they're gonna they want to

1074
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>make it look like no one was gonna make Rock

1075
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 2>look bad even though his idea was stupid. And then

1076
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.719
<v Speaker 2>he took, you know, credit for changing the idea even

1077
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 2>though everybody knew it was Cody's year and had nothing

1078
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to do with the Rock. And somehow they put a

1079
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>negative connotation on Rock versus Roman because they did it

1080
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.000
<v Speaker 2>took how many extra weeks for that documentary to come out?

1081
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>And they have a hell of a doc team. I mean,

1082
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 2>I loved working with those people. I did some historical

1083
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 2>consulting with them. That team is fantastic. Oh yeah, but

1084
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 2>they get put in some tough spots sometimes, and you know,

1085
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 2>can you show that It would be cool if they

1086
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 2>had cameras rolling and they they show it ten years later,

1087
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't that Bruce's podcast.

1088
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that that's my point. It's like everyone's doing

1089
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:08.519
<v Speaker 4>it anyway. Whant to capture the action, you.

1090
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Know, I I I think there's something to going. Like

1091
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 2>and here was the creative meeting ten years ago, like

1092
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.840
<v Speaker 2>why can't you do retrospectives about that time?

1093
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 3>Do it?

1094
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? That was like when I first had that brainstorm,

1095
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 4>I was like, no, this is okay. Actually, what I

1096
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 4>mean is put them on after it's over.

1097
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't mean there was a five year rule

1098
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>for some time about talking about stuff, especially with that

1099
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>creative Yeah. Yeah, like like, hey, don't ask Seth about this.

1100
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.400
<v Speaker 2>But you know, and I had when I was doing

1101
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.480
<v Speaker 2>that podcast pilot, I was like, Okay, I don't want

1102
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 2>to do anything current. I want to I want to

1103
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 2>talk about stuff that. You know. Okay, we've seen the

1104
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Monday Night Wars enough times. We don't need to see

1105
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 2>him again. Can we talk about something. I've seen the

1106
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 2>limbo get broken. I've seen it. I've seen Rea get

1107
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>thrown it to the side of their failer a lot

1108
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of times. I've seen Kevin Nashsey adverb you know, an adjective. Whatever,

1109
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I've seen it. Can we talk about something else. We

1110
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of active talent here that was here

1111
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 2>ten or fifteen years ago, and nothing they're doing right

1112
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 2>now will pertain to that. We have Paul Hayman. Can

1113
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 2>we talk about ECW with Paul Hayman and not be

1114
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 2>doing Rise and Fall? Can we get into others like

1115
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.119
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I absolutely think there's something to that.

1116
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.119
<v Speaker 2>And you know what they could charge Exit for that.

1117
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.599
<v Speaker 2>They could have a premium YouTube channel and people would

1118
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.440
<v Speaker 2>pay for that, and you know what, Endeavor would be

1119
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 2>happy to take their money.

1120
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying, Like, because the way these guys talk,

1121
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 4>it's it's about how much they made relative how much

1122
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:37.000
<v Speaker 4>they spend. It's not about the total pool of money.

1123
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.079
<v Speaker 4>No one's going to present this as a three hundred

1124
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 4>million dollar idea, but it's how little you have to

1125
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 4>spend to make you know. Look, whatever it was that

1126
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 4>they would rather do than your idea with koffee, No

1127
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 4>one wants to watch after a week what you wanted

1128
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 4>to do with koffee, And we stand is proof positive

1129
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 4>they're going to listen to that for thirty years. Yeah,

1130
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.800
<v Speaker 4>if they have until of interest in this guy or

1131
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 4>any kind of curiosity about how he came up in

1132
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.039
<v Speaker 4>the business. That's evergreen stuff, and you can monetize the

1133
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 4>shit out of that.

1134
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I always was a big believer also, and

1135
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:08.920
<v Speaker 2>when I did the bump, you know, it was that

1136
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>gray area of I'm being a wrestling journalist and we're

1137
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>on the same team. I was an actor. I researched

1138
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.480
<v Speaker 2>my role and made sure, you know, I presented myself well,

1139
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 2>but I was part of the team. I'm not going

1140
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 2>to knock anything. Yeah, but anytime I had somebody come on,

1141
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I always tried to find some real life stuff that

1142
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:27.679
<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to change or mess with storylines or be

1143
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.840
<v Speaker 2>able to tell a story or hey, ten years ago

1144
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.320
<v Speaker 2>you were in NXT. Let's watch that stuff. And they,

1145
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>by the way, talent loves that because some of them

1146
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:37.800
<v Speaker 2>love to talk about themselves. We know that. But also

1147
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like, hey, that was fun. I don't remember that.

1148
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm so used to talking about being in store. My

1149
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.559
<v Speaker 2>whole thing was if you're walking in that studio or

1150
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:48.519
<v Speaker 2>we're interviewing you on Skype or video call, whatever, I

1151
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 2>want people to finish that interview and go. I want

1152
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.239
<v Speaker 2>to see him on Monday. I want to see her

1153
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.400
<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday. I want to watch them on Friday. Oh

1154
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I didn't know about them. I like

1155
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 2>them that much more now. My job was just to

1156
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.159
<v Speaker 2>get everybody, and stuff like that is gonna get people

1157
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 2>over more if you could these biographies. People like mis

1158
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:08.639
<v Speaker 2>more now than they did because they got to see

1159
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:10.679
<v Speaker 2>a story a little bit. The punk one when he

1160
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 2>got hot, it was like, oh wow, look at all

1161
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the stuff he did beforehand. So now you tell a

1162
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 2>deeper story and people are more invested.

1163
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:17.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'll get it. You're going to see a side

1164
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 4>of the person that's actually operating behind the gimmick, and

1165
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 4>you're like, okay, I can get behind that guy's situation.

1166
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.119
<v Speaker 4>I remember Brian Pillman Junior, for God's sakes, got a

1167
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 4>job off being on dark side. It was like, okay,

1168
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 4>this is like or he got a push off being

1169
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 4>off dark side.

1170
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Cody Cody got hired because of his speech and his

1171
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:35.559
<v Speaker 2>dad's Hall of Fame thing. I mean, like there is

1172
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.320
<v Speaker 2>a great example. There's little stories like that of Hey,

1173
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.000
<v Speaker 2>that person she didn't go anywhere, but like we had

1174
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Lacy Evans on and I think she was a heel

1175
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and her daughter was there with her

1176
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:46.440
<v Speaker 2>and we played into it and we told her whole

1177
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 2>story and she was crying about things and her upbringing

1178
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.159
<v Speaker 2>was and I was like, whoa. She turned babyface after

1179
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.719
<v Speaker 2>that because they knew they had something and sometimes that stuff.

1180
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 2>It's just dig a little bit deeper and you'll find

1181
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.719
<v Speaker 2>real stories that are better than the ones you're trying

1182
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 2>to tell.

1183
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 4>That people will want to hear later and not just

1184
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 4>in the moment. I mean, you know, someone speaking in

1185
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 4>characters is gonna only have such a shelf life in

1186
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.320
<v Speaker 4>terms of like, you know, it's the shooting interview that

1187
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 4>really rewards over time. So let me ask you. You

1188
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 4>mentioned the Rock Triple H thing. First of all, JP,

1189
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.199
<v Speaker 4>did you see that documentary but the two going back

1190
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:18.599
<v Speaker 4>and forth?

1191
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 3>No, I didn't see it.

1192
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.320
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So the whole thing is Matt kind of laid

1193
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.440
<v Speaker 4>out and I never take anything for granted without our

1194
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 4>listenership because a lot of them actually our laps and

1195
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 4>don't follow her. That is was just saying, they are like,

1196
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 4>I do you know you have you have this thing

1197
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 4>like if we're gonna do Rock Roman at WrestleMania, how

1198
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 4>did it end up becoming Cody Roman? And what were

1199
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.800
<v Speaker 4>the machinations and where were the calls made along the

1200
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 4>way to lean in the direction of what the fans

1201
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.039
<v Speaker 4>were telling them to do, and Rock recasting himself in

1202
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:46.960
<v Speaker 4>that And it took months, and people were like, why

1203
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:48.719
<v Speaker 4>does it take months to put this thing out when

1204
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 4>you promoted it premiering the Monday after WrestleMania during WrestleMania

1205
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.280
<v Speaker 4>And it's probably a lot of tinkering around how everyone

1206
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.159
<v Speaker 4>comes off. But what the big takeaway for me is

1207
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 4>and telling me if I'm wrong here, Matt, is that

1208
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.679
<v Speaker 4>what we have right now with WWE is a battle

1209
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.079
<v Speaker 4>for control of perception between Paul and Twain.

1210
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I felt that it was gonna happen. The Rock's not

1211
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 2>around now. As far as I know now, he had

1212
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I will tell you in terms of control, he had

1213
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:18.000
<v Speaker 2>control of everything that related to him. We did a show.

1214
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Here's a wild example. We did a show for years

1215
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.480
<v Speaker 2>called The Ultimate Show where somehow we were allowed to

1216
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.800
<v Speaker 2>do this. We fantasy book shows based on that month's

1217
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>pay per view, right, and we were basically other than

1218
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a Benoir or someone who had just

1219
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>gone to aw We could kind of bring up who

1220
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 2>we wanted and we did that show for years and

1221
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:47.280
<v Speaker 2>when Rock came back into the picture. I want to say,

1222
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.280
<v Speaker 2>like later, let let he had some kind of say

1223
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe it was when he got his name

1224
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the hell it was. We were told that

1225
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.920
<v Speaker 2>if we bring up the Rock, or we bring up

1226
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the Bloodline like in that way, we had to use

1227
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Peter MYAVI as well, like that was a Rock, like

1228
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 2>he cared about that show that aired once a month.

1229
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:09.679
<v Speaker 4>Wow, So what you're saying is you had to bring

1230
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 4>up Peter every time he brought him up.

1231
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>If we said the Bloodline is a group, we had

1232
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.039
<v Speaker 2>to include Peter, like if we talked about it historically,

1233
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 2>and you know, wow, the here's my only personal story

1234
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.639
<v Speaker 2>because I didn't really work with him. He wasn't around

1235
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.599
<v Speaker 2>that much. He sent in a twenty fifth anniversary message

1236
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.280
<v Speaker 2>for Triple H when it was his anniversary and he

1237
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.960
<v Speaker 2>came on the bump, but Rock did a pre tape

1238
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to that for that excuse me. And the beginning of

1239
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the year, it was day one he showed up and

1240
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.920
<v Speaker 2>did that thing with gender and at the end, you know,

1241
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>after he rips down gender, he says the head of

1242
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.320
<v Speaker 2>the table line. Now everybody in the world knew Cody

1243
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 2>was gonna get Roman at Mania this year. But that happened,

1244
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh, maybe Roman's wrestling twice. That makes sense.

1245
00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Have have Roman beat Rock on Night one? Okay, he's

1246
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the head of the table. He's the head and then

1247
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.639
<v Speaker 2>he loses to Cody night too, and good for Cody

1248
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:06.719
<v Speaker 2>gets his win and Roman gets his win over Rock

1249
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>and Cody. You know Rock, Roman's got an out. Will

1250
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I wrestled the night before? Okay? Sure? Whatever? So he

1251
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.840
<v Speaker 2>says the line and I gotta do raw talk that night,

1252
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going, hey, like before I say anything, and

1253
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I usually didn't get a lot of direction. I just

1254
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:30.159
<v Speaker 2>used logic, don't speculate. He just said it like everybody.

1255
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:30.840
<v Speaker 2>He said it.

1256
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:32.480
<v Speaker 3>What do I do?

1257
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:35.519
<v Speaker 2>So we opened the show and Rock came out and

1258
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I opened it and I was like, well, he's he

1259
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.000
<v Speaker 2>wants to be head of the table. I guess we'll

1260
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 2>see what that means. And I sound like an idiot

1261
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 2>because everybody knows what he's getting at. And the other

1262
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 2>part was and it's on Kathy Kelly's Instagram, so I'm

1263
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.239
<v Speaker 2>not like he shot an interview with her, and Rie

1264
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.360
<v Speaker 2>is in the interview and he's holding the Women's World

1265
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 2>title and it never saw the light of day, but

1266
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.599
<v Speaker 2>it's there, like it exists, and I don't know why

1267
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.719
<v Speaker 2>more people had like didn't figure that out. The next day,

1268
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.039
<v Speaker 2>I was supposed to do my Twitch show with Jeff

1269
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Reactions and we were gonna watch No Way Rumble two

1270
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:12.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand because we were watching rumbles all the way up

1271
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:14.079
<v Speaker 2>to the Rumble and Rock wins, and I was told,

1272
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 2>don't watch it, don't bring attention to it. And I'm like,

1273
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.199
<v Speaker 2>he was just on raw, Like what what do you want?

1274
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:21.599
<v Speaker 2>And they were.

1275
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.360
<v Speaker 4>And then what they mean is don't bring attention to

1276
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 4>that potentially ad libbed head of the table line.

1277
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't. That's so weird what he was doing.

1278
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.599
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's where, like, I do believe that

1279
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Rock in his head was like, oh, we can wait

1280
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:43.679
<v Speaker 2>for Cody. It's me, that's right, and wow, absolutely, like

1281
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that's very confusing for all of us. And then Cody

1282
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 2>wins the Rumble and he points right at Roman and

1283
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:52.960
<v Speaker 2>then they go back on it and they make Cody

1284
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:56.039
<v Speaker 2>look dumb, and then Brian Gerwitz goes on on busted

1285
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Open multiple times and kind of throws Cody under the bus.

1286
00:56:58.599 --> 00:56:59.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I was like I couldn't lay my ears.

1287
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what are we doing here? This is it

1288
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. That's your guy, that's the guy you've built up.

1289
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.079
<v Speaker 2>You're going with this, I'm.

1290
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Not misinterpreting this match. So the day after he says

1291
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:11.559
<v Speaker 4>the head of the table line on that first rob

1292
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:13.880
<v Speaker 4>of the year, you're told the next day to not

1293
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 4>bring up Rock.

1294
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I was told that night to not speculate about Rock Roman.

1295
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.239
<v Speaker 4>And so that means to me that Rock intends on

1296
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 4>facing Roman at WrestleMania, but Triple H and Cody are

1297
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:30.079
<v Speaker 4>aligned to control fan attitudes in the opposite direction.

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00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:33.039
<v Speaker 2>So I guess the best way I would explain it

1299
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:34.920
<v Speaker 2>is when I would do those shows. For the most part,

1300
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I know what the layout was and whatever, and if

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00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I had a question and I didn't want to point

1302
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.079
<v Speaker 2>out a plot hole to make Creative look, I would

1303
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:44.360
<v Speaker 2>always ask my producer and my producer would you know,

1304
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.239
<v Speaker 2>check with Creative and I get feedback and sometimes I

1305
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.400
<v Speaker 2>would And on that day I was told don't speculate

1306
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.639
<v Speaker 2>about Rock Roman, and then I was told, you know,

1307
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:56.920
<v Speaker 2>don't do that Twitch show the next day. And on Wednesday,

1308
00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 2>when you're on the bump, don't speculate about rock Roman.

1309
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Then why did he say it?

1310
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 3>Right?

1311
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.199
<v Speaker 2>And then you plastered all over YouTube? So what am

1312
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 2>I supposed to do with that? Look, I work for

1313
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.480
<v Speaker 2>the team. I'll do whatever I gotta do. I'm not

1314
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:15.039
<v Speaker 2>an actual journalist in the company I I I'm State Media.

1315
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:17.320
<v Speaker 2>But it was very like I didn't want to look

1316
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 2>like an idiot. Anytime I had a question and I

1317
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't get an answer, I just listened to Michael Cole's commentary,

1318
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Y's the move to do, and I would get messages,

1319
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, from like his person administrative assistant. Don't bring

1320
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:33.360
<v Speaker 2>up anybody's number of their days and their title reign

1321
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 2>because that's just the Roman thing right now, as guomther

1322
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.960
<v Speaker 2>is going on to massive numbers as Bianca. Nope, that's

1323
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:40.079
<v Speaker 2>just a Roman thing for now.

1324
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:42.920
<v Speaker 4>Only one person gets to count days.

1325
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, makes till that kind of stuff happened, And when

1326
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Vince was gone, like stuff went away and I knew

1327
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I could say wrestling, and then there was like Kevin

1328
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Dunn's like, ah, we're still doing sports entertainment, okay. And

1329
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.599
<v Speaker 2>then I remember when it seemed like Vince was back

1330
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and he was like that January of last year, like

1331
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:02.280
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, reading the Row scripts and it's

1332
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 2>like everybody's got a nickname and there's all of these

1333
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.960
<v Speaker 2>descriptors and the mangy mutt Pete does whatever. I was like,

1334
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 2>oh he's back. When when when Brock almost got teased,

1335
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I went, Okay, he's back.

1336
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Brock Remember Brock Omas in l A Boss.

1337
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:19.119
<v Speaker 3>Four and a half.

1338
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I try not to, but yes, we knew that was

1339
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 2>you could tell right there.

1340
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:23.960
<v Speaker 4>That's such men's matchmaking.

1341
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we we were big guys. You know we're

1342
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 3>talking about you know, money money in the big men.

1343
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Clearly as he's getting ready.

1344
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Money money and the men, that's what we're talking about.

1345
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.320
<v Speaker 4>To go live with Ari the next morning on CNBC

1346
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 4>and you know what was it? He looks like forget it.

1347
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.440
<v Speaker 3>So Howard Hughes looks like Howard Hughes emerging.

1348
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:52.840
<v Speaker 1>He's Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and and j Pisarro,

1349
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 1>The Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast.

1350
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 4>So Matt, I guess this is all coming back around,

1351
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:07.440
<v Speaker 4>because what I want to ask you is, you know

1352
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:09.519
<v Speaker 4>when people grow up loving WDB and they love talking

1353
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 4>about ww the've talking about wrestling, they say, man and

1354
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.039
<v Speaker 4>people in their circle. See, well you want to work

1355
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:16.480
<v Speaker 4>for them? Like, what wouldn't that be great? When did't

1356
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 4>you love working for them? I've heard some of the

1357
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 4>things you've said about kind of how it all ended.

1358
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.760
<v Speaker 4>Would you counsel people that are passionate about wrestling to

1359
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 4>go work for WWE. I mean, I'm sure you're grateful

1360
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:30.559
<v Speaker 4>for your time there. You have to be, But I mean, honestly,

1361
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 4>like it sounds like a it sounds like I'm.

1362
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Treated as a business. I said all that stuff because

1363
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff was like frustrating. But here's

1364
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 2>the bottom line. I got paid very well to talk

1365
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:45.119
<v Speaker 2>about wrestling for five years exactly like like I it

1366
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.519
<v Speaker 2>was not in the plans. It became part of the play.

1367
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:49.239
<v Speaker 2>I've actually just started telling a story on my show,

1368
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 2>like I just eat literally on the show I recorded

1369
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:56.119
<v Speaker 2>earlier today. Here was the process of like how I

1370
01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.199
<v Speaker 2>found out about it and who helped me out, and

1371
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I took everybody up until the moment I got hired.

1372
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I didn't expect it to be a reality.

1373
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Even that time. I was like, oh, this would be

1374
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:06.599
<v Speaker 2>a bonus shop and it is my fantasy football stuff.

1375
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.239
<v Speaker 2>And then it became real thing, and then it was Hey,

1376
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.679
<v Speaker 2>on Wednesdays at one o'clock, you're gonna sit there with

1377
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:13.840
<v Speaker 2>three other people and just talk about wrestling, and we're

1378
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:17.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna pay you, and you know, in a couple of years,

1379
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:19.400
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna pay you more and you're gonna be an

1380
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:21.679
<v Speaker 2>employee and you're gonna have health insurance because you're talking

1381
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.800
<v Speaker 2>about wrestling. Even the worst creative, which is the toughest

1382
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 2>part of the job. And by tough, I mean not

1383
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 2>that hard. It just wasn't as hard easy as the

1384
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:32.679
<v Speaker 2>days when creative was good. I'm still talking about wrestling.

1385
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean I I've everybody has latched onto that thing

1386
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:39.519
<v Speaker 2>where I'm like, uh, you know, he said it was

1387
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 2>a family and I know it's not. Or like people like,

1388
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:42.719
<v Speaker 2>why did you think it was a family? I'm like,

1389
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I did it. I'm just saying that's what they said,

1390
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:48.199
<v Speaker 2>and it was dumb. When Rock showed up earlier this year,

1391
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I happened to be my birthday and we waited for

1392
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.760
<v Speaker 2>him for two hours because he was late, and it's like, oh,

1393
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.199
<v Speaker 2>it's good to be back with my family and good

1394
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.320
<v Speaker 2>to have all you family, and you know, this is

1395
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.800
<v Speaker 2>why you're still here. And it's like and everybody like

1396
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.639
<v Speaker 2>they take the picture with Rock and Hunter and Nick,

1397
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.360
<v Speaker 2>and everybody's trying to get in the background, and it's like, no,

1398
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>you've watched your family get fired over the last couple

1399
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.320
<v Speaker 2>of months. And that's guess what. That's a business. I

1400
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.280
<v Speaker 2>always understood that stuff. I'm very happy for my time there.

1401
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy I had it. It was a great job.

1402
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I met my fiance there. I paid a lot of bills.

1403
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.199
<v Speaker 2>I lived a very comfortable life because I worked there.

1404
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I nothing was bad, Like I could be frustrated that

1405
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.199
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get a pilot off the ground, But guess what,

1406
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:34.519
<v Speaker 2>you still saw me on Mondays and Wednesdays and Fridays.

1407
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I worked as much, if not more than any broadcaster there.

1408
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.239
<v Speaker 2>My face is still on peacock, I'm still on all

1409
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:44.800
<v Speaker 2>those best ofs like and that will I'll always have

1410
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.719
<v Speaker 2>that and that's and I made friends there, and I

1411
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:48.480
<v Speaker 2>learned about the business a different way that I can

1412
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:53.320
<v Speaker 2>talk about it now, and whatever happens in the future happens. Listen.

1413
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I also would say this, if you can dedicate your

1414
01:02:57.320 --> 01:02:58.800
<v Speaker 2>life and if you want to go on the road,

1415
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I say this, any in broadcasting just say yes and

1416
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.280
<v Speaker 2>go figure it out later, and especially if you're not

1417
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.199
<v Speaker 2>tied to a region or a partner or anything like that,

1418
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.559
<v Speaker 2>and you can go do it. Yeah, I don't know

1419
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:13.159
<v Speaker 2>how it's gonna be in the next couple of years

1420
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.079
<v Speaker 2>under that new regime. I think people are gonna make

1421
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.320
<v Speaker 2>a good amount of money there. I think it's a

1422
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.639
<v Speaker 2>far better business in terms of what they can do

1423
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:23.280
<v Speaker 2>in the reach they have than it was a few

1424
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:26.280
<v Speaker 2>years ago. But I don't think anybody's gonna be there forever.

1425
01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 2>And if you know that, that's okay. It's like those

1426
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 2>creative people that lasted a year and like I can't

1427
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:32.760
<v Speaker 2>do this anymore, that's right.

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01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:33.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that those are the people.

1429
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it's managing expectations. I think that's that's what

1430
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:39.880
<v Speaker 2>it is. It's I love that I got to work there.

1431
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy I got to work there. I regret nothing

1432
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.840
<v Speaker 2>about working there. I was really lucky that I got

1433
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.840
<v Speaker 2>to work there and work with the people I did,

1434
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:51.039
<v Speaker 2>and got the opportunities I did and make the money

1435
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I did. To talk of, it wasn't a job. I

1436
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.800
<v Speaker 2>happen to have an office space there, like a little cubicle,

1437
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and it just had a bunch of wrestling stuff on

1438
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 2>it anybody time, anybody can to my desk. We just

1439
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 2>talked wrestling.

1440
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 4>Yep, yep.

1441
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a good job to me. So that's yea how

1442
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:09.119
<v Speaker 2>it ends snucked. But but you know, I still loved

1443
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:10.840
<v Speaker 2>working there and I still love talking about it, and

1444
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not ever not going to be a fan.

1445
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess in closing, as you you know, embarking

1446
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.199
<v Speaker 4>a new chapter, just just watching again, how has working

1447
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:21.880
<v Speaker 4>there changed how you can watch WWE And do you

1448
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 4>miss being able to watch w B the way you

1449
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:24.639
<v Speaker 4>used to before working there?

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01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I still. I think somebody asked me this

1451
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.039
<v Speaker 2>on a redditt Ama recently, like how did your fandom change?

1452
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:33.400
<v Speaker 2>And I said, when I was there, I think the

1453
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.599
<v Speaker 2>stuff I really liked jumped out more because every week

1454
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:39.119
<v Speaker 2>I had to watch all of Raw and all of SmackDown,

1455
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:40.519
<v Speaker 2>and that was my job, and I knew how to

1456
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.000
<v Speaker 2>watch it, like in the background or hey, we're not

1457
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.159
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about that, or I know what the

1458
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.639
<v Speaker 2>talking points are. But I think like the stuff I

1459
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:49.760
<v Speaker 2>really liked, or that stuff that was really well done

1460
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:53.199
<v Speaker 2>jumped out more. You know, I loved watching Gunther's run.

1461
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I loved I loved Otis, you know, five years ago,

1462
01:04:57.079 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and I like them now. I think that kind of

1463
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.599
<v Speaker 2>stuff jumps out. I watch it and I used to

1464
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.960
<v Speaker 2>talk to people differently, like live domin Rhea does nothing

1465
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 2>for me, but I know what it clicks. It clicks

1466
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:09.440
<v Speaker 2>well on YouTube and all those love stories Mandy and

1467
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Notice did that too, and hell go back to Macho

1468
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:15.559
<v Speaker 2>and Flare and Savage. That's a whole. That's the basis

1469
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 2>for a story at WrestleMania that also happened to have

1470
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the ww Championship WA Championship still involved. I thank god

1471
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:26.519
<v Speaker 2>I can still say that like that. I tried to

1472
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:29.280
<v Speaker 2>listen to different people and why they liked it, and

1473
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, oh, I don't think aj Styles is that

1474
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:34.639
<v Speaker 2>good because he kind of just does matches. But man,

1475
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I love whoever because they can talk or that was

1476
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.480
<v Speaker 2>funny or Rhea Ripley is a great example of when

1477
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:44.079
<v Speaker 2>they came back from the pandemic, the reaction she was

1478
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.000
<v Speaker 2>getting to people by surprise, and then the social and

1479
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:50.480
<v Speaker 2>digital team saw the numbers she was doing and then

1480
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:53.039
<v Speaker 2>presented that to Katie and Vince and guess what, she

1481
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.480
<v Speaker 2>got a push because of that. Now I think she

1482
01:05:55.639 --> 01:06:00.480
<v Speaker 2>touches a lot of different fan bases. But I look

1483
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:02.679
<v Speaker 2>at that like, oh, that's actually doing quite well. All

1484
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:05.039
<v Speaker 2>this match I loved, you know what. Not many people

1485
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:07.199
<v Speaker 2>cared about it. So I try to look at it

1486
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.719
<v Speaker 2>that way where it's not just about me, And that

1487
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:13.800
<v Speaker 2>comes from wrestling and being on the Indies and spending

1488
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.880
<v Speaker 2>time with friends at TNA and being a play by

1489
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:18.119
<v Speaker 2>play announcer in the Indies and doing Busted Open. It's

1490
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, what's working and why is it working, and

1491
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.360
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have to be for me. So I also

1492
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.320
<v Speaker 2>try to talk about it that way as well.

1493
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.840
<v Speaker 4>Quite a quite a business it is where we find

1494
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:34.079
<v Speaker 4>ourselves watching everything and diagnosing what is and isn't working

1495
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.440
<v Speaker 4>instead of just watching it because we enjoy it. There

1496
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.400
<v Speaker 4>might be something there I don't know, but fascinating. Well,

1497
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 4>you're you're We're a grateful to you, Matt for taking

1498
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:44.519
<v Speaker 4>the time and getting us acquainted with what it's like

1499
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.760
<v Speaker 4>to go through that that car wash over there in Stanford.

1500
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:48.519
<v Speaker 4>That's quite a mean.

1501
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.679
<v Speaker 3>I would also before we go too, I just I would.

1502
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.159
<v Speaker 3>I would. I have to say exactly how we got to.

1503
01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:02.519
<v Speaker 5>This point where we're interviewing him, because otherwise, it just

1504
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.719
<v Speaker 5>I feel people will people will be taken for granted.

1505
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:09.679
<v Speaker 5>So it's been people have seen now on my Instagram

1506
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:14.760
<v Speaker 5>and stuff that I was a movie directed by Clark Duke.

1507
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.920
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell that story another time. Tayla Becker former Braxton,

1508
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.400
<v Speaker 5>also in the movie, and she and I got to

1509
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:26.239
<v Speaker 5>talking and I regretfully had to tell her that I

1510
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:31.760
<v Speaker 5>was the co host of a wrestling podcast, which you know.

1511
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.480
<v Speaker 4>And she actually didn't try to lose your acquaintance at

1512
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:36.199
<v Speaker 4>that point, right, right.

1513
01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:37.960
<v Speaker 5>Right, But you know, at the same time, it's kind

1514
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.360
<v Speaker 5>of like, you know, also, here's here's a woman who's

1515
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:44.119
<v Speaker 5>been in the business professionally, and I'm also I'm now

1516
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:47.719
<v Speaker 5>a fan with a podcast like every other fucking, you

1517
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:49.760
<v Speaker 5>know clown in this world.

1518
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:52.679
<v Speaker 3>But we started talking some more, and you.

1519
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.599
<v Speaker 5>Know, she got to know that it was a little

1520
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.360
<v Speaker 5>more of a legitimate affair, and then she mentioned Matt

1521
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:06.000
<v Speaker 5>and I said, yeah, like, please introduce us, and she did,

1522
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:08.079
<v Speaker 5>and here we are today.

1523
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I was so like, I got the I told you

1524
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.760
<v Speaker 2>this guy's beforehand. I was in Disney and I got

1525
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the text. But I before that, I had, you know,

1526
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I have alerts on for like figure whatever, accounts that

1527
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.239
<v Speaker 2>followed me out. I was like, oh, that's nice they

1528
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.079
<v Speaker 2>followed me. I guess, you know, one of my clips

1529
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:27.960
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and maybe we could do And then she

1530
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:29.399
<v Speaker 2>texted me and I couldn't answer, and I was like,

1531
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:34.119
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, really that's so because she had just left

1532
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.159
<v Speaker 2>and I had I had talked to her right before

1533
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:38.119
<v Speaker 2>she left, and she actually had met my fiance for

1534
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:40.720
<v Speaker 2>the first time and at the MSG show, and then

1535
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.439
<v Speaker 2>I get this text and I was like oh. And

1536
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:45.000
<v Speaker 2>then I reached out. I was like, oh my god,

1537
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.640
<v Speaker 2>and she like hit me up before I She's like, hey,

1538
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:47.720
<v Speaker 2>do you want to do stuff with them? I was like,

1539
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, definitely, let's let's But

1540
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I got it. I was so happy that that happened,

1541
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm happy for you, and I'm happy for both

1542
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:55.439
<v Speaker 2>of you that you got it a bit. But I

1543
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:56.720
<v Speaker 2>got to tell you something that I think you guys

1544
01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.279
<v Speaker 2>would appreciate. Please. So when we did the Bump and

1545
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.840
<v Speaker 2>we would do you know, people that were historical, there

1546
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:04.479
<v Speaker 2>was a time where it's like, hey, let's get hardcore

1547
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:07.520
<v Speaker 2>holy on, Like okay, sure, and we would have these

1548
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you know historical I would be like, well, we could

1549
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:15.000
<v Speaker 2>do a whole, you know, career retrospective interview. So I

1550
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.640
<v Speaker 2>would write ninety five percent of the questions for the

1551
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.399
<v Speaker 2>show and then we would like, you know, divvy them

1552
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:22.079
<v Speaker 2>up would make sense. And I had this thing and

1553
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you have to make Kayla ask about stuff

1554
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that she has nothing that has no clue because Kayla

1555
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't know wrestling before she started, so she'd be like

1556
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:34.800
<v Speaker 2>so in ninety five when Nitro was first starting and

1557
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:40.479
<v Speaker 2>hearing her say those words like when you're wrestling, when

1558
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.199
<v Speaker 2>you're wrestling Vader at Summer Slam ninety six, and I'm

1559
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.680
<v Speaker 2>going like, oh god, this is so good. And that

1560
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:48.640
<v Speaker 2>just became a running bit where if we had anybody

1561
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:54.119
<v Speaker 2>that was historical on, Kayla would have to like, do

1562
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:57.720
<v Speaker 2>this his story. And it started because she was doing

1563
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:01.800
<v Speaker 2>research for an interview with Baron Corbin and she's like, yeah,

1564
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I wrote this question about him being voted the most

1565
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:09.039
<v Speaker 2>hated villain. And I was like, are you a Meltzer subscriber,

1566
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Like are you like what did and what publication? She's like, uh,

1567
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:18.079
<v Speaker 2>pwy voted. I go, oh my god, you have afterbags

1568
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.039
<v Speaker 2>at home and I was like oh oh, and it

1569
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:22.520
<v Speaker 2>clicked right there and then so every time after that

1570
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.039
<v Speaker 2>she would get at least one historical question that reference

1571
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.359
<v Speaker 2>and she would naw it. She would read it as

1572
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:31.039
<v Speaker 2>was and sometimes she goes like what is this? And

1573
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I remember when In Your House got brought back and

1574
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:34.960
<v Speaker 2>we had Todd on and we had Adam cole on

1575
01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, yeah, I watched it. I was like,

1576
01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:41.319
<v Speaker 2>wella you watched In your House one and she's like yeah.

1577
01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what did you think of Hakushi? And

1578
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.359
<v Speaker 2>she's like that was the I was like yeah and so.

1579
01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:48.479
<v Speaker 2>And I always had this idea. I always wanted to

1580
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:51.159
<v Speaker 2>do a show with her where we watched old stuff

1581
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:56.279
<v Speaker 2>just to get her perspective. Oh stuff that and maybe

1582
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:58.359
<v Speaker 2>there's an opportunity for this all to happen between all

1583
01:10:58.359 --> 01:10:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of us.

1584
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.640
<v Speaker 4>I think I know a landing pad for said. As

1585
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:03.920
<v Speaker 4>long as you guys are comfortable never having a friend

1586
01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:06.680
<v Speaker 4>in the business again where you need to hang out,

1587
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:07.279
<v Speaker 4>you hang your hat.

1588
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.279
<v Speaker 2>But I'm glad we connected through her and I always

1589
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:13.479
<v Speaker 2>loved educating her out and she's like what is this about?

1590
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:15.479
<v Speaker 2>And there were people that tried to fake it that

1591
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.079
<v Speaker 2>I work with, Like someone was like, uh, xbox coming

1592
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:20.039
<v Speaker 2>on and will also have the one two three kid,

1593
01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and that happened on live televisions. The first one I'm

1594
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:27.560
<v Speaker 2>not going to mention, but that would have been yeah,

1595
01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:30.319
<v Speaker 2>well the other and if we talked about again, I

1596
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:32.720
<v Speaker 2>once caught Hogan on a lie and a lie live

1597
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 2>on a bump.

1598
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:35.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't believe that. Oh, I don't believe that.

1599
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.159
<v Speaker 2>The clip because we were talking about it was the

1600
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:42.079
<v Speaker 2>day of the Rumble. The guest this was Brian Danielson,

1601
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Goldberg and Hogan all in the same episode. And I

1602
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 2>just did like Hogan's entire Rumble history and like he

1603
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:50.760
<v Speaker 2>said something, He's like, oh yeah, when I wanted three,

1604
01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Like he said a blatant lie, and I like the

1605
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:56.520
<v Speaker 2>next question was like, well, Hulk actually and he's like, well,

1606
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.399
<v Speaker 2>you caught me there, brother, And he was. He was

1607
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:01.680
<v Speaker 2>definitely bumped up. Let me just tell you that on

1608
01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:03.039
<v Speaker 2>that that interview.

1609
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.560
<v Speaker 4>Dude, there was a point I don't remember when it was.

1610
01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:07.920
<v Speaker 4>It must have been one of those old Bubba clips

1611
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.239
<v Speaker 4>that we listened to when we were doing our journey

1612
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:12.560
<v Speaker 4>through total NonStop Hogan as we called it, his his

1613
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:15.239
<v Speaker 4>his run in t NA, and there's like a big

1614
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:17.439
<v Speaker 4>long thing where we went through every single thing Hogan

1615
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:21.000
<v Speaker 4>did in TNA, and there's a certain clip I.

1616
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Was I'm still I'm sorry.

1617
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.079
<v Speaker 5>I'm still suffering from post traumatic stress about that whole

1618
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 5>journey we did.

1619
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:31.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was definitely more than we bargained for as

1620
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:32.680
<v Speaker 4>we went, but we found all these gems and one

1621
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.920
<v Speaker 4>of there's an interview where he's he's he's carrying on

1622
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.479
<v Speaker 4>with his you know, flowery descriptions and taking poetic license

1623
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:41.880
<v Speaker 4>with everything, and and someone like pulls up the match

1624
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:44.800
<v Speaker 4>right away and he's like, brother, Like, He's like, you

1625
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:47.399
<v Speaker 4>just pulled that up like that fast, you can find

1626
01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:50.199
<v Speaker 4>any match. It was almost like the walls are starting

1627
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:51.439
<v Speaker 4>to close in, like he can't.

1628
01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:57.319
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that that's the only place I can

1629
01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:58.960
<v Speaker 2>think over there they pulled something up that fast, And

1630
01:12:59.039 --> 01:12:59.359
<v Speaker 2>then he.

1631
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:02.159
<v Speaker 4>Was look horrified that, like he could be fact checked

1632
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:02.720
<v Speaker 4>in real time.

1633
01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:05.479
<v Speaker 2>Brother, don't look up that Metallica discography.

1634
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm screwed, all right.

1635
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.399
<v Speaker 4>I gotta got going, dude, Well we gotta get going too.

1636
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:13.640
<v Speaker 4>But Matt, I think seeds have been planted, all right.

1637
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.840
<v Speaker 2>And anytime I'd love to come back. I'd love to

1638
01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:19.039
<v Speaker 2>have you guys on on my show because I have

1639
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:20.960
<v Speaker 2>some ideas that I think you should be perfectly for.

1640
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:22.640
<v Speaker 2>So let's try to make that out. And if we

1641
01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:28.319
<v Speaker 2>could get Cale involved behind, we could definitely have some fun.

1642
01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:30.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, every single thing she's ever done could be

1643
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:30.920
<v Speaker 4>a pod.

1644
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:31.119
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1645
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:34.640
<v Speaker 4>Just take us through this moment, Caylet tell us how

1646
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:35.199
<v Speaker 4>much you love.

1647
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Just get her screaming about. That's all you need there.

1648
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:43.079
<v Speaker 2>She had to scream, and she loves horror and she

1649
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:47.680
<v Speaker 2>does the worst scream ever because Roman likes something on

1650
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:50.800
<v Speaker 2>top of him and she's like, ah, and it's so bad.

1651
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.680
<v Speaker 2>And we played it NonStop for a good couple of

1652
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.000
<v Speaker 2>weeks after that because she was so embarrassed because she

1653
01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:59.920
<v Speaker 2>wants to be in horror movies. Well that's not on your.

1654
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, this is on ours, thank you, Matt, And I think,

1655
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.760
<v Speaker 4>uh yeah, I think boss, it's safe to say that

1656
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Matt camp TLF approved the Solar system can consume his

1657
01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 4>content with a clear conscience. He's kissed the ring.

1658
01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, He's more than welcome.

1659
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:17.159
<v Speaker 2>God, thank you, guys. I really appreciating. Let's talk again soon.

1660
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:19.960
<v Speaker 4>It sounds great. Thanks everybody, Thank you. Matt Peters.

1661
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Preceeding is a production of the Labs Entertainment Group. Its

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<v Speaker 3>content is intended for private use only. Really sorry, we

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<v Speaker 3>want
