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Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn

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Speaker 1: S e O and JP sorrows He's a lapsed fan.

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Speaker 2: In all my years and wrestling, I've never seen anything like.

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Speaker 3: Rop kicking.

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Speaker 1: It's the laps Fan man number one in the ring

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Speaker 1: begin about.

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Speaker 2: Osada, a real king of swing when the bell.

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Speaker 3: Goes hang and a kick like me throoming in the

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Speaker 2: Even Jerry King could say off the crown nodded in

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Speaker 2: his head like Steve low Brown? Would you get low down?

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Speaker 3: We go even high up? Trip you on your head?

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Speaker 4: But you no cool drive speaking monology and dragon slits

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Speaker 4: fire give you more shot than the edge, retire from

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Speaker 4: dropping more.

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Speaker 2: Truth than the conn of sniper unless you would a

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Speaker 2: coconut Roddy Piper out, Jack a JP, you a j

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Speaker 1: A cupcakes and got the brain Bob Beans.

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Speaker 2: The best podcast from the start, the close file of

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Speaker 2: Your Benefit fricking Polls.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of the occasional series here in the feed

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Speaker 4: Boss t LF talks and this is uh, this is

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Speaker 4: a unique one. You know, it always doesn't always make

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Speaker 4: sense for a podcast formatted like ours to welcome guests

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Speaker 4: from the contemporary scene, because we devote our lives trying

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Speaker 4: to understand yesterday. Like the winners, we are will exactly

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Speaker 4: exactly it doesn't you know, that doesn't denote any psychological

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Speaker 4: problems or anything which is great for us exactly, but

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Speaker 4: this is this is we have access this time around,

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Speaker 4: and we hope you out in the Solar system appreciate this.

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Speaker 4: To a rare species, the the lifelong fan who got

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Speaker 4: to work for WWE and then is on the other

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Speaker 4: side of it now and looking back like what what

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Speaker 4: was that? Necessarily what was that all about? His name

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Speaker 4: is Matt Camp. You should know him from The Bump,

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Speaker 4: which of course was a ww digital show for years

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Speaker 4: on there.

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Speaker 3: I heard that. I heard it was hard the Race's

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Speaker 3: favorite show.

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Speaker 4: He's He's known to Bump, no question. Also, Matt spent

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Speaker 4: years in the Busted Open radio show. He's back with

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Speaker 4: those folks at Serious XM and a fan who got

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Speaker 4: to work there, and Matt one, thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for being on on the Laps Fans air waves.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you set me up beautifully because I

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Speaker 2: get to tell us tell a story right away. First

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Speaker 2: of all, thank you for having me on. All those

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Speaker 2: things were correct and very nice, you said, Harley Race.

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Speaker 2: Can you think of anybody else who's been around in

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Speaker 2: WW forever who might make a similar joke?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: God, Well, he may.

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Speaker 2: He may be very involved with main events every single month.

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Speaker 2: He might work behind the scenes. He may have video.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, I'm talking about bump and the

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Speaker 2: joke that you made the bump. Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes,

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Speaker 2: Michael Hayes. I was once backstage at a raw h

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, and I met him, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it was you knew how to sell ribs or not

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Speaker 2: sell them or whatever, and he was like, Matt Ben,

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Speaker 2: Matt Ben. I was sorry, okay, I'm from the Bump.

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Speaker 2: I know what the bump is. I said, all right, uh,

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Speaker 2: And I think I was with Kayla was like, would

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Speaker 2: you ever like to come on the Bump. I've done

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Speaker 2: a bump or two the show is And I was like, well,

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Speaker 2: nice to meet you, Mike. I thought that's fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then I think he actually was on once like

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Speaker 2: was very appreciative, but that was my like first interaction.

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Speaker 2: He looked me up and down and I had a

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Speaker 2: that's not my color.

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Speaker 3: I prefer not to watch him when he's dressed.

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Speaker 4: Oh that sounds that yeah, okay, in his state of dress.

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Speaker 5: I prefer to see his you know, yeah, his attire

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Speaker 5: as miss him.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's also a long heritage of having a

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Speaker 4: bump or two on the table when you get back

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Speaker 4: to the locker room as well. Let's be very clear

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Speaker 4: about that double entendre potential as well. Not to say

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Speaker 4: that that's not the business anymore though, Matt.

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Speaker 2: By the way, John Cena said the same thing to

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Speaker 2: me when I got to I interviewed him. He was

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Speaker 2: Bowl in twenty twenty, and he had heard about the show,

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Speaker 2: and you know, he was there. All he cared about

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Speaker 2: And it's like he's like, that's wagging it up in

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Speaker 2: made the joke during the interview He's like, oh, bump

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Speaker 2: huh what about the wrestling part? Like, what are you

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Speaker 2: need that stuff. I was like, whoa Jesus John? All right,

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Speaker 2: but yes, and I one really random fact that show

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Speaker 2: was nearly called ding ding ding.

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Speaker 4: Are you serious? Yes, that's like Jim Hurds show.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say it would be ding Dong ding Dong.

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Speaker 2: They just wanted it to be the bell that was

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Speaker 2: which is also tough to explain to people too.

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Speaker 4: So all right, the double entendres run thick, and the

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Speaker 4: appreciation for wordplay is you know, it reaches Titan towers.

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Speaker 4: So before we forget to mention it because I shudder

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Speaker 4: at the thought, Matt's doing kind of self starting Thing's

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Speaker 4: got a great YouTube channel, the Wrestling mattshow dot com.

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Speaker 4: You can subscribe and get access to some of his insights.

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Speaker 4: So he's in our world now, welcome to Welcome to

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Speaker 4: the basement dwellers. You know us all well, Matt is

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Speaker 4: your studio in the basement per chance, of.

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Speaker 2: Course it is absolutely yeah, right there was a playroom

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Speaker 2: we redid for my daughter, which then became like my

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, there's lights up, and how

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Speaker 2: And I did this beforehand, and right before I got

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Speaker 2: this stuff to do to do twitch and all that,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't need that anymore. And

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's I was ready for it. And then

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Speaker 2: you do an extra interurant poor from your house? Sure?

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Speaker 2: All right, I have this big giant screen behind me,

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Speaker 2: can you send me a grab? And that's what it was,

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Speaker 2: know that Kyle Rally had a bad neck from Tuesday night.

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Speaker 2: You know. That's that's what we did. And now I'm

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Speaker 2: back to I got a team, and they're they're very

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Speaker 4: It's great. It's great. So let's start where in a

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Speaker 4: lot of ways JP and I started. You know, the

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Speaker 4: origin story. We've told it one hundred times on the show.

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Speaker 4: I see no mercy in his n sixty four in

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Speaker 4: the college dorm room. I look at him. I go,

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Speaker 4: you a fan? And here we are, all these years later.

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Speaker 4: So when did you become a fan? What's your true north?

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Speaker 4: As far as like the heart and the essence of

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Speaker 4: the wrestling of your childhood? Take us through that first.

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Speaker 2: So I had a wonderful I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine like telling people that now, like I've

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Speaker 2: it's like finding a stream of a show, which you

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Speaker 2: should never do. By the way, you should always pay

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Speaker 2: for everything. But anyway, back in the day the cable

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Speaker 2: So she would like randomly tape shows for me, and

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Speaker 2: the first one she ever taped me was Wrestling A seven. Right, yes,

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Speaker 2: sell enough tickets to run the coliseum, or as Bruce said,

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Speaker 2: War and all that. But anyway, I watched that was

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Speaker 2: over by that point, yeah, or the what do they

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Speaker 2: So that was my first full on show. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: full on show. So you know, rockers are on that show,

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Speaker 2: and obviously Warrior in Savage and I didn't get what

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Speaker 2: back at he kicked out of five of those frigging elbows.

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Speaker 2: Well that's horrible. But then the main event, I don't

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Speaker 2: Like this is really slow? This hooken. Isn't this guy

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Speaker 2: cheating like he's the good guy? Like you know all

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Speaker 2: I got that the Hogan experience of USA and all that,

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Speaker 2: and so that was seven is what ninety one? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I also remember, and I know my timeline was

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Speaker 2: not a Hogan guy. And now I look back and go, like, man,

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Speaker 2: you would have been wrong either way. But that's okay.

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Speaker 2: You were six, So that's how it works. A year later,

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Speaker 2: my dad took me to a house show at MSG.

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Speaker 2: It was February ninth two. Flair had just won the

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Speaker 2: is they did matches obviously leading up to a battle

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Speaker 2: oil at the end. So it was like Bulldog and Taker,

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Speaker 2: Repoman and Roddy was a seven minute house show match

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Speaker 2: and Repo Man comes out and this woman who's clearly

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Speaker 2: a plant in the front row, like he steals her

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Speaker 2: take it? And then Piper comes out and goes to

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Speaker 2: the lady and he hugs her and they have a

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Speaker 2: And Piper gets the White Watch back. And then at

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Speaker 2: and the end of the battle Flair gets eliminated in

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Speaker 2: the middle, like they just get him out of it,

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Speaker 2: and it comes down to Hogan and Sid and Hogan wins.

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Speaker 2: a nonfolding chair and throws it in the ring after Sid,

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Speaker 2: and that's the end of the show. And I remember,

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Speaker 2: about it? And they're like yeah, because they had like

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Speaker 4: Master list is that's look? The master list is worth

433
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,599
Speaker 4: three hundred thousand dollars. Do you hear me?

434
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,279
Speaker 2: It's not as good as you would think either. I

435
00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: was very disappointed. I was like, is this on here? No?

436
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 2: And we Well, that's the thing.

437
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,599
Speaker 4: It's so important to manage those expectations because we're sitting

438
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 4: here thinking is everything there? And if we know what

439
00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:22,599
Speaker 4: is and isn't there, then we can proceed with sanity.

440
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 4: But until we know the difference, we're in a very

441
00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:26,759
Speaker 4: dangerous place.

442
00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 3: Matt.

443
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,839
Speaker 2: I think we need it to watch full matches. I

444
00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:31,799
Speaker 2: don't want to watch like here's three highlight ninety.

445
00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:33,079
Speaker 3: No no no, no no no.

446
00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:36,839
Speaker 2: And then like also I was told like, well, if

447
00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:38,759
Speaker 2: it's got the f you can't watch it, and someone's like,

448
00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:40,279
Speaker 2: oh screw it, you could watch it. Not that many

449
00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 2: people are watching you anyway, And I was like that's true.

450
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,559
Speaker 2: That's that's one hundred percent fair. Just let me watch stuff.

451
00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 2: So we watched, like I think the first thing we

452
00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 2: watched was Hogan and Giant with the monster trucks and

453
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 2: then he comes back and they wrestle. Later on we

454
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 2: watched we watched that from WCW. We watched you know,

455
00:20:57,279 --> 00:21:00,599
Speaker 2: Stinging Brett and Sting has got tomato face, so you

456
00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: know that. And we would just like, give me random

457
00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: funny stuff to watch, like I don't I'm not going

458
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: to make fun of current stuff. We just want to

459
00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 2: laugh at it. We watched WCW stuff, and we watched

460
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,319
Speaker 2: WWF stuff, and you know, we watched more recent stuff

461
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: and it was it was going well and then then

462
00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 2: I was done. But I was like, there's a whole

463
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: bunch of people that want to watch this, and this

464
00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:24,519
Speaker 2: is not going to cost you that much to give them.

465
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 4: That's that's the key. It's not how many, it's the

466
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 4: margin that you can make. Come on, folks, like wake

467
00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 4: the fuck up, Like people will pay one hundred dollars

468
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 4: a month to see this stuff, Like what is wrong

469
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 4: with you?

470
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,839
Speaker 2: Guys's just had this conversation on my show and I

471
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 2: was like, you know the aw maybe getting the dal

472
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,839
Speaker 2: with Max. It's going to allow hopefully so many more

473
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,079
Speaker 2: people to see their full library and it's five years

474
00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:49,039
Speaker 2: worth of stuff. But you know, when the network came

475
00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: out and I was like, that's it. Ten bucks, I

476
00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:53,519
Speaker 2: get the pay per views, I get everything.

477
00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:53,799
Speaker 3: Yep.

478
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,079
Speaker 2: And I still have a picture on my phone of

479
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: that first screenshot, like when it was live. I was

480
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,079
Speaker 2: sitting there and I was like, this is unreal. What

481
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,759
Speaker 2: are people like bitching about the number? And I was like,

482
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 2: you don't realize how And they added way more and

483
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: they finally got the network to a good spot and

484
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,799
Speaker 2: then I got moved to Peacock and now we have

485
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,839
Speaker 2: you know, remember that season back in nineteen when WrestleMania happened.

486
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: It's like, no, nobody and everybody knows it's bad. Believe me, guys,

487
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: they know that's a they know and they do what

488
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,839
Speaker 2: they can. And Peacock was not necessarily ready for that,

489
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,079
Speaker 2: and it took time, and you know, that's that is

490
00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:30,039
Speaker 2: what it is, but you know it was it was

491
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: a gold mine. And now it's on Peacock and it's

492
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,759
Speaker 2: five bucks or ten bucks and you get to watch

493
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:35,759
Speaker 2: the Office and stuff on top of it too, but

494
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: like to have all that stuff and I don't know

495
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: what's gonna make the next transition. I am legit worried

496
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 2: about that, and I don't know if they care.

497
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 5: Now that's kind of thing like, is there is there

498
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 5: somebody there who like, is there what's the reason why

499
00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 5: so much stuff like for for example, like the fact

500
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,799
Speaker 5: that all of primetime wrestling is not up there.

501
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 3: Not all the prime time wrestling up there, because you

502
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 3: have a choice.

503
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: It's a choice. It's also manpower. You know, we got

504
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,559
Speaker 2: a four manute, you know, and it's upscaling or.

505
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 4: You don't know, you don't know, you don't no, Nope, listen,

506
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 4: put point a fucking cell phone camera at the monitor.

507
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 4: Let's get this going.

508
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not.

509
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,599
Speaker 3: I'll volunteer. I'll volunteer.

510
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 4: We're talking a volunteer thousands of people that will do

511
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 4: this for them for free.

512
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,519
Speaker 2: All right, But that's that is what it is. It's

513
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: it's there's efforts to have to put that stuff up

514
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: and they go, you know, we're gonna do this. You

515
00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: know Tom Green who does w CW Deep Cuts, who

516
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,279
Speaker 2: I love, and it has all that stuff, and I'm

517
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,079
Speaker 2: like I'm glad he has it, because they're not going

518
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: to put up those Saturday nights. They're not going to

519
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,519
Speaker 2: put up those thunders or what like. And and I

520
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: know there's an audience for it, but there's I guess

521
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,759
Speaker 2: the question is is there enough that it's going to

522
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,759
Speaker 2: move the needle for them monetarily or is there enough

523
00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:58,599
Speaker 2: stuff up there? They go, well, don't worry, you can

524
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: watch just look at a different met trick.

525
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,599
Speaker 4: Instead of total revenue, just look at how much you

526
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 4: have to spend to make the money in charge, one

527
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 4: hundred dollars a month. And it'll be just like please, like.

528
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,079
Speaker 2: There's yes, tell me here, you have access to this.

529
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 4: Gets your account, get your accounting, all gimmicks on it,

530
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 4: and you know, make it sound like it makes sense.

531
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 4: But do the right fucking thing, because if you're gonna

532
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 4: buy everything and then hoard it, that's some bullshit.

533
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: And now, and I know there were people there who

534
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: may still be there, that cared and that wanted that

535
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,599
Speaker 2: to be the thing, and they had gotten the network

536
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: to a good spot. I had I had a project

537
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: I was working on right before the pandemic of I

538
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: basically wanted to take you know, the podcast format of

539
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,279
Speaker 2: what Conrad and Bruce did and they ran that into

540
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:44,599
Speaker 2: the ground, but do it for more, Like, hey, here's

541
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: the mizz for these couple of years, no one's ever

542
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,519
Speaker 2: done that with him. Let's talk about these years I did.

543
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:54,519
Speaker 2: I did an entire hour and forty minute pilot with

544
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: Kofe from his debut on ACW to like the stuff

545
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 2: with Randy, like that whole run, and we had clips

546
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: to show him throughout and he's telling me stories about

547
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,759
Speaker 2: how Big show caved his chest in and that's why

548
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: it looks like it did. And you know, I pulled up.

549
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: We got his dark match with Steve Carino on a

550
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,799
Speaker 2: SmackDown and he loved it, he said, and he was

551
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: he was the bump pilot. I wasn't even there when

552
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: they did that. Kofe is the best. Kofe is a

553
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: wonderful person. He should be as grizzled as anybody for

554
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: as long as he's worked there, and he's always been

555
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: the same guy. And I did that show with him

556
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,559
Speaker 2: and he's like, man, this is so great. I haven't

557
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 2: talked about so much of this stuff. And I had Hayman.

558
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:36,799
Speaker 2: I had a thing where I wanted to do raise

559
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: just ECW and w CW stuff stuff with show I

560
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,599
Speaker 2: at all, and they're like, well, you know that's that's

561
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot to get that stuff. And you

562
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: know Steve does something like that, right, And I'm like,

563
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,759
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to do broken skull sessions. I'm trying

564
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: to talk about ms Versusino with his chick Madden shirt. Yeah,

565
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,319
Speaker 2: they're like a whole different world.

566
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 4: They're like, way, but that doesn't remind me of a

567
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 4: real television show that if I produced a simile of it,

568
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: I would feel like a big boy. Okay, that doesn't

569
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,839
Speaker 4: remind me of something I've seen before that I feel

570
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,799
Speaker 4: like would make me feel like someone who doesn't work

571
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: in a carnival.

572
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,279
Speaker 2: I had to fight with something like is it going

573
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,079
Speaker 2: to be more than an hour? And I was like, yeah,

574
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: like that's a lot. I was like why why exactly?

575
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: I was like, shut the fuck up, car, sh It's over.

576
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: And then I get back in the car and I

577
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: resume my podcast like like anything.

578
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,839
Speaker 4: Because the people who will watch it for four hours

579
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: are worth money. The people who have to have it

580
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,319
Speaker 4: in forty five minutes are going to move on to

581
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,039
Speaker 4: the next thing, and they're not money. That long term period,

582
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:35,759
Speaker 4: Hard stop podcasting.

583
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,319
Speaker 3: Proved it basically they suck.

584
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,039
Speaker 2: They do and then got to the point where it's like,

585
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: oh well, it's kind of you know, a podcast like

586
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: a video show and bubba. I'm like, yes, I know,

587
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: I've been trying to tell you guys this and you

588
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,519
Speaker 2: know that's the kind of stuff that I was like,

589
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: it's right here. I work here. I work here on

590
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,839
Speaker 2: Mondays and Wednesdays and Friday.

591
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: I already work here, guys, and I'm putting my hand.

592
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 2: Up like let's can we do this? Like it's I

593
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,559
Speaker 2: and I was doing all the research. I was like here,

594
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,599
Speaker 2: I would watch every friggin' Raw that Seamus was on

595
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: from me, like I had an episode with him. Here's

596
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,759
Speaker 2: Seamus and ecw all the way to whatever. I think

597
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:11,759
Speaker 2: the few with triple.

598
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 4: H me get me situated. Part of my ignorance. This

599
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: this this idea you're talking about, Matt, you shot with

600
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,519
Speaker 4: kofee and Seamus. Did they see the light of day?

601
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: Because I haven't seen.

602
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: Him, Just goffe, no, it didn't. I just did with

603
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,519
Speaker 2: Seameless is going to be the next one. It's just

604
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:26,559
Speaker 2: right before the pace you.

605
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: Actually did it, and that they just like, come on, guys.

606
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: I know, I'll tell you a thing. I think something

607
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,319
Speaker 2: that happened and it's very unlucky Koffee had bed internet.

608
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I heard it. I heard it, and

609
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,599
Speaker 2: I sent it to people outside of the company, like,

610
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,559
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is great and I had ten ideas.

611
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,279
Speaker 2: And as you may now know, there is no podcast

612
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: for ww even though they're trying to keep that alive.

613
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,279
Speaker 2: But like, but to a podcast.

614
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,319
Speaker 5: But I guess here's the thing, Like, so you created

615
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,599
Speaker 5: this whole thing, you had all the stuff, and how

616
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 5: much money did it cost them?

617
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: Very little? I mean the podcast team, it's the same

618
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: guys that did you know the New Day pod or

619
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: Cory's pot and it was and it wasn't pulling every

620
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: clip and it wasn't you know, that was just a

621
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: job memory if it was something special cool. We knew

622
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: for some of the older wrestlers, if they needed their

623
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,319
Speaker 2: memory job for various reasons, hey, we could show them

624
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: this clip. And if it was just the podcast, fine,

625
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: and the audio is enough, you know, if we played

626
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: the audio or something, everybody does that that's enough to do.

627
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:25,839
Speaker 2: We just want to get the stories out of them.

628
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:27,519
Speaker 3: So it costs.

629
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:31,319
Speaker 5: It costs very little, and they have it, and they're

630
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,559
Speaker 5: not going to just say, here's a couple hours, let's

631
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 5: just put it up there and see what happens.

632
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,759
Speaker 2: Correct And it got it went through multiple receives.

633
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: Whatever, house standards or whatever.

634
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I I was there already. They knew. I

635
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: knew it. I knew I was good as a host

636
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,079
Speaker 2: of doing it. I knew it wasn't handing someone random

637
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,079
Speaker 2: who didn't know wrestling as script and be like host

638
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: this podcast.

639
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: Well, it's someone they hired to be a broadcaster.

640
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: You know.

641
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know, yes, yes, and do you

642
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: know do.

643
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: You know entertainment? Though you know wrestling, but entertainment, that's

644
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,559
Speaker 3: the key.

645
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,359
Speaker 2: They never even got to that side of the world

646
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:07,559
Speaker 2: because digit old TB for a while. We're separate. It

647
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,599
Speaker 2: did like I had to fight through well, you know,

648
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: I listened. It was good. I don't know if we

649
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,839
Speaker 2: have the manpower to do this. I got that a lot.

650
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: You know, we're doing so many other things. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, sure, I.

651
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:20,319
Speaker 4: Just I just did it, So what do you mean

652
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:20,759
Speaker 4: man power?

653
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,359
Speaker 3: I did it.

654
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,039
Speaker 2: Like your podcast team is not busy, you're running reruns

655
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: at the New Day Pod for a year and a

656
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,319
Speaker 2: half to pretend like you have a podcast now, Well, my.

657
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, it's laziness. It's laziness and a lack of

658
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,839
Speaker 4: imagination and that's it. Not that mu much more complicated.

659
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: Of course we say that all they're making money hand

660
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: over fist right now, So what do I.

661
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: Know, Well, yeah, of course, I mean that that's part

662
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,039
Speaker 4: of the reason that they can afford to sort of,

663
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: you know, mask over things that could that could catch

664
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: you know, because here's the here's the risk, Matt. They

665
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: put out Kofe's entire thing and people really like it,

666
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: and no one cares about the ideal quality, and what

667
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,519
Speaker 4: does that mean for half of the production budget? Right,

668
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,559
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, everyone was, all of a sudden

669
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 4: okay with zoom quality during COVID, Right.

670
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,519
Speaker 3: We got it.

671
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: We got over that real quick.

672
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: It was edited, they cleaned it up, it was fine.

673
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: Any of the is it was fine. On top of

674
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,599
Speaker 2: it that so too long to shoot, but we still

675
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: cut it down and they had a good rough cut

676
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: of it. And I was like, you know, if we

677
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,519
Speaker 2: try this for six it'll be fine. Like I know,

678
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,799
Speaker 2: it'll do well, And I was like, no, we're not

679
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: gonna okay. I was like, I'll go. I'll go to TV.

680
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: You need me to go to Raw or smack Down

681
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: or Flying or I'll go to the because I didn't

682
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 2: go that often. I was like, but I'll go. You

683
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,079
Speaker 2: we need to do this on zoom with people who

684
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: can handle that. We could do it.

685
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: No, h JP is it's it's gotta be worse that

686
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: we're sitting here thinking why don't they and and actually

687
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,119
Speaker 4: it's way worse. They have a guy who said I will,

688
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: and they still were like that's boring, Like let's call

689
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:39,359
Speaker 4: Bunna Murray again.

690
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the whole thing. It's like they're they

691
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: there's not even a a you know, we can't or

692
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,279
Speaker 5: we you know. It's like basically we don't want to.

693
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: I feel like it. That's what it comes across as

694
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: And that's.

695
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 5: Fucking annoying as hell, because you can have so much

696
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 5: more interesting ship out.

697
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: There and promoting you tell me then, now and forever,

698
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,119
Speaker 2: and you show those clips and it's like it's the

699
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,359
Speaker 2: same thing. Like the reason A and E has those

700
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: shows is because they overproduced for Peacock. Yeah, and that

701
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,519
Speaker 2: actually I don't know if that's totally out there. That

702
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: was a big part of the regime change a couple

703
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,079
Speaker 2: years ago when they moved on from people in digital

704
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,799
Speaker 2: is like you could only have so many Keith Lee

705
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,759
Speaker 2: twenty four to sevens when the guys had three matches,

706
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,799
Speaker 2: like and I understand that.

707
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:26,799
Speaker 4: Well, remember Peacock was going to do the Yokazuna one

708
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,759
Speaker 4: and then that didn't happen, and then all of a sudden, sir,

709
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,599
Speaker 4: you only knew, I'm slapping my knees right now and

710
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: take it.

711
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:40,079
Speaker 2: So they had produced a ton of content, obviously and

713
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: almost too much. Like I understood the like, hey, we

714
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,359
Speaker 2: don't need a documentary on this guy who's been on

715
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,039
Speaker 2: the roster two weeks, Like we don't need a twenty

716
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:51,079
Speaker 2: four to seven or a three sixty. I got that.

717
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,319
Speaker 2: And at some point they looked and said, well, we've

718
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,519
Speaker 2: given Peacock all we need to give them, so now

719
00:31:57,359 --> 00:31:59,119
Speaker 2: let's sell this stuff to A and E because they

720
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: want to pay for it. By the way, they still

721
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: are a good business plan. I get that. So we

722
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: got what we get. We got the Yoko one icons

723
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: that actually saw the light of day, the Beth Phoenix

724
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,319
Speaker 2: once saw the light of day. The one that had

725
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,279
Speaker 2: stopped on was Lex.

726
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,359
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sorry, I was thinking of the Intrepid. Yeah,

727
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: it was Lex that didn't make it.

728
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:18,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

729
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,119
Speaker 2: So I had done a show for Taker's Last Ride

730
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,599
Speaker 2: documentary called post Mortem, and basically we took whoever was

731
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: like the central figure or someone that could talk about

732
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,279
Speaker 2: that episode, and me and Ryan Popolo, who was on

733
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:36,839
Speaker 2: the bump, we would interview that person. So we had

734
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: Shane on, we had Michelle McCool on, and we had

735
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:42,319
Speaker 2: aj on, and we had Sean Michaels on and it

736
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: was cool to kind of get you know. It was

737
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,119
Speaker 2: very much like talking dead or you know, the breaking

738
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: bad talking, you know, just after the fact. Hey, here's

739
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: everything we saw. Now let's talk about it with the

740
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: important people. So that was the idea for icons. We

741
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: called it Icons Revisited. So we did it for Yoko

742
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,839
Speaker 2: and we had Rakishi on and he was amazing.

743
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: Like he was.

744
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,359
Speaker 2: He got us crying, he was crying, and we talked

745
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: to a couple a couple of people about Yoko. We

746
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,799
Speaker 2: talked to Brett about Yoko. He loved him. And that's

747
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: what it was. It was like, Okay, I know some

748
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: of these people were interviewed for these shows, but some

749
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,599
Speaker 2: people weren't. Or now that it's out there, you know

750
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,759
Speaker 2: that Yoka one was so well done. It was dark.

751
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: It was sad because of how his life ended and

752
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: where he was going and how many people worried about

753
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: his weight. But we were able to go a little deeper.

754
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,119
Speaker 2: And then for Beth, you know, we talked to Mickey James,

755
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,759
Speaker 2: and we talked to Mally Holly, and then for Lex,

756
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: I was excited. I was like, Okay, here we go.

757
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: And I kept here and like, yeah, there's not really

758
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: a good way to end this one because how his

759
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,319
Speaker 2: wrestling life kind of ended, like there's no like, yeah,

760
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: whether it be the stuff it Liz or you know,

761
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,559
Speaker 2: obviously Lex ending up a wheelchair. And I was like,

762
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: all right, so we shot. I interviewed Bishoff, Flair and

763
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:58,319
Speaker 2: Brett for the lex Icons revisited and they never saw

764
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,839
Speaker 2: the light of day. And you know what, RVD had

765
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,359
Speaker 2: also made air. I remember we actually got RVD after

766
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: the fact, but that is that was the pivot. That

767
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: was Okay, everything's getting shelved, and I think Lex got

768
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: Redone and a couple other ones that they were going

769
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: to do got redone and they got turned into biographies

770
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,559
Speaker 2: or whatever. But yeah, there's some of those that didn't

771
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: make air. One of my favorite things is you remember

772
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,639
Speaker 2: the Brett WrestleMania arcade, the cabinet commercial where Brett goes

773
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,039
Speaker 2: in with lunch and he's showing him how to do

774
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,159
Speaker 2: this stuff. So there's that image where he is either

775
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: putting a Russian leg sweep or setting up the backbreaker

776
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: on the cabinet. If you ever seen that image, it

777
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,079
Speaker 2: was in extual. So RJ City and I used to

778
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: argue about this all the time. What move was he doing?

779
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:50,639
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, his hands across. If it's

780
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,159
Speaker 2: hands across, he's trying to do the backbreaker, and he's like, no,

781
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,039
Speaker 2: it's the Russian leg sweep he wouldn't do. And we

782
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: argued about this, and I was like, all right, if

783
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: I ever talked to Brett, we'll ask him. So for

784
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: that icons revisited we had Brett and I go, we

785
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: had him. He was done. I go, Brett, I got

786
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: to ask you something. And I walk up to the

787
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,199
Speaker 2: camera and I put it up in it and I

788
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: was like, this picture right here, are you doing a

789
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: back break or a Russian leg sweep, and in the

790
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,079
Speaker 2: most Brett way possible, he breaks down the science of

791
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: it and he goes, yeah, you know, but it was

792
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: probably just a mix of both. And I was like,

793
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:26,119
Speaker 2: oh fuck, and I was like, thank you, Brett. He goes,

794
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: you really couldn't do either move because it was a

795
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: it was an arcade game. And I was like, okay, bro,

796
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: thank you for your time.

797
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's the one thing.

798
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: It's both.

799
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: See, that's the one thing you had you guys didn't

800
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,199
Speaker 4: consider before approaching Brett. It's an arcade game, so it

801
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 4: couldn't be the move.

802
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: It was.

803
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: But he was like, I just kind of did both.

804
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, Brett, that's not a move of joom,

805
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: that's a mix, like what was going on here? And

806
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: I had to tell Arday. I was like, it's a

807
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: mix and he just goes, that's bullshit. I know, I know.

808
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 2: Those are my favorite, like those of those moments and

809
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, no one would you guys would get this.

810
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,039
Speaker 2: We could never put that on the air. Nobody would

811
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: get it. And it was just me getting up or

812
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,199
Speaker 2: behind a desk and holding my phone up as close

813
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: as I can and I see Brett like and if

814
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: you ever seen Bretty does the same interview spot in

815
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,039
Speaker 2: his like kitchen and his dynet set in front of him,

816
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: but you know, the snow is behind him and he's

817
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: always like, honest, you know, that's it, and I have

818
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: to hold it all the way up to show him.

819
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,039
Speaker 4: And yeah, so it reminds me of a vault thing too.

820
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 4: I mean, forever there's been this, this idea that that

821
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,559
Speaker 4: in the WWF magazine photo archives is a photoshoot of

822
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 4: Hulk and Brett with tug of war go ahead.

823
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to this. I believe it,

824
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: like I've seen it. I believe it. I believe that

825
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,119
Speaker 2: whole story of that it was supposed to happen, and

826
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: that graphic, that actual match graphic that was made. All

827
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: of it makes sense, and of course makes sense because

828
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: the hogan that it didn't happen.

829
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the magic makes it. But Brett going

830
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 4: in a such detail about the photo shoot and the

831
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,039
Speaker 4: fact that these photos themselves have never surfaced, really there

832
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: was I.

833
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 5: Mean, you know there was again, you know there there

834
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 5: there were photos in an issue of the WAD magazine

835
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: with you know, it was that.

836
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: That dream match thing. No, No, it is the dream

837
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: wat the dream match thing where they would.

838
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,559
Speaker 5: They have these ideas like what if these people faced

839
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: off and there was one with Brett and Hogan.

840
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but those I'm looking at it right now.

841
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,559
Speaker 4: Those are just individual studio shots that that wasn't That

842
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: doesn't appear to be on the same set, and they're

843
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 4: not facing each other as if they can see each other.

844
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 4: But then they did one with bretton Diesel in ninety five.

845
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: This time there will be a winner and they're holding

846
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: the belt between each other, and I feel like that's

847
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 4: the exact prototype.

848
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: For what sure Bruce is like, hey, let's do that

849
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,119
Speaker 2: Holgan bread Shoot.

850
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably exactly right. They get these archetypes in their minds,

851
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 4: but we've never seen the original. Well so you you progress, Matt,

852
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: and you are a lifelong fan and you stick with

853
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 4: it even when others are falling off. We talk a

854
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,199
Speaker 4: lot in the lap fan, as you may know, about

855
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,519
Speaker 4: the shame and pain of being a wrestling fan. You know,

856
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:09,559
Speaker 4: I'm in broadcasting. What do you broadcast? It's like a

857
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 4: mixture between sports and what is it? It's it's wrestling.

858
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: Oh my god, do you think that stuff's real? I

859
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: mean that will never go away. I don't care how

860
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,639
Speaker 4: much money they make.

861
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 5: It jumps right to that, It jumps right to how

862
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,119
Speaker 5: because you have a job at this company.

863
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: Oh you think that sh it's real?

864
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,679
Speaker 4: Wait till they ask you now post ww life.

865
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,119
Speaker 2: When you go Now I've thought about that, I'm like,

866
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: what do I say? So, how do you handle that before?

867
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: Because like I did a New Japan podcast for p

868
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:41,199
Speaker 2: W Insider, which is actually supposed to be an official

869
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,519
Speaker 2: New Japan podcast, and then they changed all the regime

870
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:48,039
Speaker 2: and people were gone and New Japan, you know, didn't

871
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:50,199
Speaker 2: want to spend money on America and that's what happened.

872
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: But I got hired that year, and it's easier to go,

873
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: like I work at w B and people like, oh

874
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: I know that, like that absolutely that's fine, And I

875
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: was there where you know, pandemic is different. But like

876
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,519
Speaker 2: after that, once Triple Ahs took over, it did get better.

877
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: And it's like, obviously has gotten better, and we can

878
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:10,559
Speaker 2: argue all we want and be mad that it doesn't

879
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,519
Speaker 2: see the light of day, like the Vault stuff like that,

880
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: But I do believe Nick Khan has taken them to

881
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: greater heights and there is more money to be made

882
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: and endeavor and all this stuff. Now, you know that's

883
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: it is more. He's made it more acceptable, you know that.

884
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: Look at the people that they're bringing in, the level

885
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,079
Speaker 2: of celebrity, like all of that stuff. I can't deny that.

886
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: I never would and I had always said, like, you know,

887
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: anybody who makes through the merger, which I still think

888
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: is an ongoing thing, you're working for a freaking powerhouse.

889
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,119
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it is. That's and look what

890
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,119
Speaker 2: they're doing now. I happen to think the show's a

891
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: little too glossy for me. I watched MANI and I'm like,

892
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: these are blowoffs the feuds or are we just watching

893
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,039
Speaker 2: exhibitions here? Because everything looks too nice? Nobody's that pissed

894
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:50,679
Speaker 2: at each other.

895
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,079
Speaker 4: And asked, so, how have you handled the you know

896
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: it's fake right question in your lifetime?

897
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,519
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and se

898
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: mjpro Lapsed fan Wrestling Podcast.

899
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, so are the every TV show you watch?

900
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: Isn't that the standard answer?

901
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:15,599
Speaker 3: I think?

902
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

903
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 4: Good, Okay, So I don't know, boss, what did what

904
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 4: did we tell people make meth?

905
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: Like?

906
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't you know like I always just say, like,

907
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: it's a male soap proper. Now it's obviously gender mix

908
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: up and all that, and that's good, Like that's what

909
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: it should be. But that was the easy way. My

910
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,639
Speaker 2: mom even called it that. She's like, oh, that's like

911
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: me watching you know, General hospital stories exactly. Yeah, And

912
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: my dad took me. And my dad has been a

913
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,159
Speaker 2: sports official for years at the highest level, and he

914
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: liked going, Like I took him to a house. He

915
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,639
Speaker 2: took me that first house show. He loved the spectacle

916
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: of it. He took I took him to a TNA

917
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: show when I was friends with people there at uh

918
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: MCU Park where where they play baseball whatever the cyclones.

919
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:57,599
Speaker 2: He loved it. He went to RAW a couple of

920
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: years ago with his wife. She's like, she's a big

921
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: broad with she loved it. I think people get it

922
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: more now, right, But that's that makes sense.

923
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,639
Speaker 4: She's like, enough generations have turned over to where there's

924
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: enough kids who watched it in childhood as a national product,

925
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,159
Speaker 4: not as.

926
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: It's not being protected anymore in that way. Yeah, a

927
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,679
Speaker 2: part of it too. Everybody's appearing on things or and

928
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: I think the fact that people have become movie stars

929
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 2: John Cena or that helps Rock or even Batista or

930
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: people or you know, it's like, yeah, they were acting

931
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: on Mondays and now they act in movies. It's the

932
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: same thing.

933
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 4: Well we switched it up, JP and I you talk about,

934
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,159
Speaker 4: what else do you say besides you know it's it's

935
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 4: like the movies are fake. We decided after the UFC

936
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,639
Speaker 4: took off that what we would say to people is

937
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 4: actually they changed it. As a result of the rise

938
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 4: of UFC, they felt the pressure to go real and

939
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 4: now WW is completely real if you watch it now,

940
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 4: and we straight face we would not because it's a

941
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: stranger that comes at you with that attitude almost always right,

942
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,079
Speaker 4: like a party in a party or something.

943
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: I would always have because I was doing fantasy football

944
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,519
Speaker 2: stuff and wrestling at the same time, so I would

945
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:04,679
Speaker 2: tweet about both and most of the people who follow

946
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,559
Speaker 2: me were just looking for fantasy football advice. But I

947
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: got you're not it's fake, right, Oh God, why are

948
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: you talking about that?

949
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: You know?

950
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,199
Speaker 2: I wish you. I wish you create another Twitter account. Okay.

951
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, what is it about? Why do

952
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 4: you think people are like that?

953
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 2: Because they have a voice. Now everybody has a voice

954
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: and they said it. That's it. That's all. They have

955
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: a voice, and they have an anonymous voice, and nothing's

956
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: going to happen unless, you know, they go say something

957
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: really terrible and their their account gets supported and they

958
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,159
Speaker 2: created a new one. That's all it is.

959
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,639
Speaker 3: I've been I've been saying that for years.

960
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,199
Speaker 5: Is that that's the one of the biggest problems with

961
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 5: the Internet and social media is that everybody has a

962
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 5: voice now, and most people don't deserve to have one.

963
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: They don't there no one's checking it. We can create

964
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,119
Speaker 2: you guys can create the last fan. I could do

965
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,679
Speaker 2: my thing. I'm so happy that that is a thing

966
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,079
Speaker 2: and that people who have been able to go, you

967
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:00,559
Speaker 2: know what. I have this phone and I could do

968
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 2: some great things. That's awesome. I'm glad people are making money.

969
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: I talked about being friends of chef reactions. He quit

970
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,679
Speaker 2: his job. He takes care of his grandmother because he

971
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: looks at a food and go that's dumb or that's great,

972
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: that's awesome.

973
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 4: I love his videos.

974
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best, but he also is well aware.

975
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,039
Speaker 2: He's like, I can't believe I do this for a living,

976
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: you know, Like I think every like that is the

977
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: kind of person I want to see. It's the and

978
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,199
Speaker 2: especially in wrestling. You guys, notice, my God, has it

979
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,079
Speaker 2: gotten worse than ever?

980
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: Well, it's almost like, you know, I think it's part

981
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,199
Speaker 4: of that denial of the fact that you fell in

982
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,679
Speaker 4: love with something that's complete pantomime and foolishness, and like

983
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,639
Speaker 4: you have to somehow account for that because in polite

984
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,119
Speaker 4: society you can't defend it. Like I don't care if

985
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 4: you make millions of dollars. If you're in this business,

986
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,559
Speaker 4: family friends, neighbors, acquaintances judge you and whisper behind your

987
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: back when you leave the room about how how developmentally

988
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,639
Speaker 4: delayed you must be to folow professional Wrestling, And I

989
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 4: think a way to cocon I way to cope with

990
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: that is to get this serious and hardcore about the

991
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 4: minutia of ratings, because that feels real, That feels like

992
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,159
Speaker 4: something you can Unlike the football world, where you can't

993
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 4: count on the results to argue over and you can't

994
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: go to the matt debating who the better player was

995
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: on the field Sunday, that's what we have in wrestling.

996
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 4: We have, like you know, arguing matters of taste and

997
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,519
Speaker 4: arguing good or we do have that though.

998
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: That's the thing, like, that's why First Take exists and

999
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: all that and the greatest you know Lebron loses, Well

1000
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: he sucks, now, no he doesn't. That's what it's become

1001
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: like that to me, that's wrestling forums and that's Twitter,

1002
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: and that's that's message boards. That's what that's become on television.

1003
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:31,599
Speaker 2: The guy who created that, Jamie Horrowitz, who has his

1004
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,679
Speaker 2: own sword, passed like he was part of the new regime.

1005
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,519
Speaker 2: They wanted to do that for with me, and like

1006
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: Helwanie and Sam Roberts and like Tyler Breese, they wanted

1007
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,079
Speaker 2: that to be a thing.

1008
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,199
Speaker 4: And when you say that to be a thing, please

1009
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: give me more.

1010
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:50,119
Speaker 2: The Debate show he created the Debate or First Take.

1011
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: Or he's he's the pivot to video guy, right, yeah,

1012
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 4: smashing success.

1013
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: Yes, so Nail did it Fox. And when he came in,

1014
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,079
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh jeez. And I had heard things like

1015
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,199
Speaker 2: oh he tries the pit talent against each other. He

1016
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: did the opposite. He just disappeared like he did nothing,

1017
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,039
Speaker 2: He did no work. He was a nick on higher

1018
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: and then it was like he just kind of got

1019
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,199
Speaker 2: let go and everybody's like, oh.

1020
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 4: No one even talks about that.

1021
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,679
Speaker 2: Nothing. Nothing.

1022
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 4: So the idea there is that we want our hosts

1023
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: to scream at each other about how someone sucks and

1024
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: how they're great, like they would, but do so.

1025
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,559
Speaker 2: While you work for the company, right, So figure out

1026
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,039
Speaker 2: how that works. It's like when they did backstage and like,

1027
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,559
Speaker 2: there's page going I don't think this person should be

1028
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: a heel and I was like, and that promotes the SmackDown.

1029
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: How well we worked there? That's the gray.

1030
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 4: It's always the tough part of like I thought all

1031
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,519
Speaker 4: these I thought WW was above that chatter. I thought

1032
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 4: this talent didn't even notice that chatter, and here they

1033
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,639
Speaker 4: are trying to mimic it.

1034
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: It was eleven o'clock on Tuesday nights that had no

1035
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,159
Speaker 2: lead in. They were trying you know, Punk debuted on

1036
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,079
Speaker 2: that show at eleven fifty nine Eastern on a Tuesday

1037
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: night and the lead in was Big ten Basketball.

1038
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:50,559
Speaker 3: Wow.

1039
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,639
Speaker 4: Well, so that you're bringing me to something out, You're

1040
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:55,079
Speaker 4: bringing me something I really want to ask about. And

1041
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:56,639
Speaker 4: I've thought about this for years. I thought about this

1042
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 4: when the network first came out and some of their

1043
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,559
Speaker 4: sub numbers were disappointing. In terms of what the Wall

1044
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: Street expected, and it's like, what can they do to make,

1045
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,519
Speaker 4: you know, to create the new attitude or like a

1046
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,639
Speaker 4: step change in how they present wrestling to where people

1047
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: would give it a look and be like, whoa, really

1048
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 4: they're doing that now, that's crazy. And I was thinking,

1049
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,039
Speaker 4: what if you put and tell me why this is

1050
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: an awful idea? Because I've tried to workshop this with

1051
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 4: anyone I've ever met who works in the business. Why

1052
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 4: don't you put the creative meetings online?

1053
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: Well you'd have to have well I don't think it's

1054
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,679
Speaker 2: a sway anymore, but you'd have to just basically have

1055
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,639
Speaker 2: a camera running for six hours while I have pretty

1056
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: waits for Vince to show up. That was a thing. Yeah,

1057
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,599
Speaker 2: that was that was like, that's what I am and

1058
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: I and I had heard stories of like you know,

1059
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: people on the team vincentings it now and it's one

1060
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, and okay, like that's and you

1061
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,639
Speaker 2: know those shows get written on Thursday, and you know

1062
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: when I had Raw Talk and Smack Down Low Down.

1063
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:56,039
Speaker 2: So I would sit in the green room at the

1064
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: TV studio and watch the shows, but I would get

1065
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,079
Speaker 2: the full script of raw and SmackDown every Oh yeah yeah,

1066
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:05,599
Speaker 2: Draft one and Draft two and Draft three and at

1067
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: seven forty five, Draft six, and a lot of stuff

1068
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,199
Speaker 2: would change. So unless they had a good editor to

1069
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,199
Speaker 2: put all that, you know that what's the closest they've

1070
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: come that that that in house uh State media documentary

1071
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,639
Speaker 2: they put out about WrestleMania.

1072
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: Like that's where I'm going.

1073
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: And even then they could they're gonna they want to

1074
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: make it look like no one was gonna make Rock

1075
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: look bad even though his idea was stupid. And then

1076
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: he took, you know, credit for changing the idea even

1077
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,199
Speaker 2: though everybody knew it was Cody's year and had nothing

1078
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 2: to do with the Rock. And somehow they put a

1079
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: negative connotation on Rock versus Roman because they did it

1080
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: took how many extra weeks for that documentary to come out?

1081
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: And they have a hell of a doc team. I mean,

1082
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:48,639
Speaker 2: I loved working with those people. I did some historical

1083
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,559
Speaker 2: consulting with them. That team is fantastic. Oh yeah, but

1084
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: they get put in some tough spots sometimes, and you know,

1085
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: can you show that It would be cool if they

1086
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,039
Speaker 2: had cameras rolling and they they show it ten years later,

1087
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: isn't that Bruce's podcast.

1088
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that that's my point. It's like everyone's doing

1089
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,519
Speaker 4: it anyway. Whant to capture the action, you.

1090
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: Know, I I I think there's something to going. Like

1091
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,639
Speaker 2: and here was the creative meeting ten years ago, like

1092
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: why can't you do retrospectives about that time?

1093
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,119
Speaker 3: Do it?

1094
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,559
Speaker 4: Yeah? That was like when I first had that brainstorm,

1095
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: I was like, no, this is okay. Actually, what I

1096
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: mean is put them on after it's over.

1097
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 2: Like, I don't mean there was a five year rule

1098
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: for some time about talking about stuff, especially with that

1099
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: creative Yeah. Yeah, like like, hey, don't ask Seth about this.

1100
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: But you know, and I had when I was doing

1101
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: that podcast pilot, I was like, Okay, I don't want

1102
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: to do anything current. I want to I want to

1103
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,679
Speaker 2: talk about stuff that. You know. Okay, we've seen the

1104
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,119
Speaker 2: Monday Night Wars enough times. We don't need to see

1105
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: him again. Can we talk about something. I've seen the

1106
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: limbo get broken. I've seen it. I've seen Rea get

1107
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: thrown it to the side of their failer a lot

1108
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: of times. I've seen Kevin Nashsey adverb you know, an adjective. Whatever,

1109
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 2: I've seen it. Can we talk about something else. We

1110
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,559
Speaker 2: have a lot of active talent here that was here

1111
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: ten or fifteen years ago, and nothing they're doing right

1112
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,159
Speaker 2: now will pertain to that. We have Paul Hayman. Can

1113
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: we talk about ECW with Paul Hayman and not be

1114
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,039
Speaker 2: doing Rise and Fall? Can we get into others like

1115
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,119
Speaker 2: and you know, I absolutely think there's something to that.

1116
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,119
Speaker 2: And you know what they could charge Exit for that.

1117
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,599
Speaker 2: They could have a premium YouTube channel and people would

1118
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: pay for that, and you know what, Endeavor would be

1119
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,599
Speaker 2: happy to take their money.

1120
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Like, because the way these guys talk,

1121
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: it's it's about how much they made relative how much

1122
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: they spend. It's not about the total pool of money.

1123
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,079
Speaker 4: No one's going to present this as a three hundred

1124
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 4: million dollar idea, but it's how little you have to

1125
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: spend to make you know. Look, whatever it was that

1126
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,679
Speaker 4: they would rather do than your idea with koffee, No

1127
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 4: one wants to watch after a week what you wanted

1128
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: to do with koffee, And we stand is proof positive

1129
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,559
Speaker 4: they're going to listen to that for thirty years. Yeah,

1130
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: if they have until of interest in this guy or

1131
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,679
Speaker 4: any kind of curiosity about how he came up in

1132
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,039
Speaker 4: the business. That's evergreen stuff, and you can monetize the

1133
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:05,639
Speaker 4: shit out of that.

1134
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I always was a big believer also, and

1135
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: when I did the bump, you know, it was that

1136
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: gray area of I'm being a wrestling journalist and we're

1137
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: on the same team. I was an actor. I researched

1138
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: my role and made sure, you know, I presented myself well,

1139
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:18,639
Speaker 2: but I was part of the team. I'm not going

1140
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: to knock anything. Yeah, but anytime I had somebody come on,

1141
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,039
Speaker 2: I always tried to find some real life stuff that

1142
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:27,679
Speaker 2: wasn't going to change or mess with storylines or be

1143
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: able to tell a story or hey, ten years ago

1144
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: you were in NXT. Let's watch that stuff. And they,

1145
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: by the way, talent loves that because some of them

1146
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: love to talk about themselves. We know that. But also

1147
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, that was fun. I don't remember that.

1148
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,079
Speaker 2: I'm so used to talking about being in store. My

1149
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,559
Speaker 2: whole thing was if you're walking in that studio or

1150
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:48,519
Speaker 2: we're interviewing you on Skype or video call, whatever, I

1151
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 2: want people to finish that interview and go. I want

1152
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: to see him on Monday. I want to see her

1153
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: on Tuesday. I want to watch them on Friday. Oh

1154
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,079
Speaker 2: you know what, I didn't know about them. I like

1155
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: them that much more now. My job was just to

1156
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,159
Speaker 2: get everybody, and stuff like that is gonna get people

1157
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:06,639
Speaker 2: over more if you could these biographies. People like mis

1158
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,639
Speaker 2: more now than they did because they got to see

1159
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:10,679
Speaker 2: a story a little bit. The punk one when he

1160
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: got hot, it was like, oh wow, look at all

1161
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 2: the stuff he did beforehand. So now you tell a

1162
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,039
Speaker 2: deeper story and people are more invested.

1163
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get it. You're going to see a side

1164
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,039
Speaker 4: of the person that's actually operating behind the gimmick, and

1165
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, I can get behind that guy's situation.

1166
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,119
Speaker 4: I remember Brian Pillman Junior, for God's sakes, got a

1167
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 4: job off being on dark side. It was like, okay,

1168
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,119
Speaker 4: this is like or he got a push off being

1169
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 4: off dark side.

1170
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,039
Speaker 2: Cody Cody got hired because of his speech and his

1171
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:35,559
Speaker 2: dad's Hall of Fame thing. I mean, like there is

1172
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: a great example. There's little stories like that of Hey,

1173
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: that person she didn't go anywhere, but like we had

1174
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 2: Lacy Evans on and I think she was a heel

1175
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: at the time, and her daughter was there with her

1176
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: and we played into it and we told her whole

1177
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,079
Speaker 2: story and she was crying about things and her upbringing

1178
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,159
Speaker 2: was and I was like, whoa. She turned babyface after

1179
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: that because they knew they had something and sometimes that stuff.

1180
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 2: It's just dig a little bit deeper and you'll find

1181
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: real stories that are better than the ones you're trying

1182
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: to tell.

1183
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 4: That people will want to hear later and not just

1184
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 4: in the moment. I mean, you know, someone speaking in

1185
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,199
Speaker 4: characters is gonna only have such a shelf life in

1186
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 4: terms of like, you know, it's the shooting interview that

1187
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 4: really rewards over time. So let me ask you. You

1188
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,159
Speaker 4: mentioned the Rock Triple H thing. First of all, JP,

1189
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,199
Speaker 4: did you see that documentary but the two going back

1190
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:18,599
Speaker 4: and forth?

1191
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: No, I didn't see it.

1192
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 4: Okay, So the whole thing is Matt kind of laid

1193
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 4: out and I never take anything for granted without our

1194
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:27,639
Speaker 4: listenership because a lot of them actually our laps and

1195
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 4: don't follow her. That is was just saying, they are like,

1196
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,039
Speaker 4: I do you know you have you have this thing

1197
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 4: like if we're gonna do Rock Roman at WrestleMania, how

1198
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 4: did it end up becoming Cody Roman? And what were

1199
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 4: the machinations and where were the calls made along the

1200
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 4: way to lean in the direction of what the fans

1201
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,039
Speaker 4: were telling them to do, and Rock recasting himself in

1202
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 4: that And it took months, and people were like, why

1203
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 4: does it take months to put this thing out when

1204
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 4: you promoted it premiering the Monday after WrestleMania during WrestleMania

1205
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 4: And it's probably a lot of tinkering around how everyone

1206
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,159
Speaker 4: comes off. But what the big takeaway for me is

1207
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 4: and telling me if I'm wrong here, Matt, is that

1208
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,679
Speaker 4: what we have right now with WWE is a battle

1209
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,079
Speaker 4: for control of perception between Paul and Twain.

1210
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: I felt that it was gonna happen. The Rock's not

1211
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 2: around now. As far as I know now, he had

1212
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 2: I will tell you in terms of control, he had

1213
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: control of everything that related to him. We did a show.

1214
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: Here's a wild example. We did a show for years

1215
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: called The Ultimate Show where somehow we were allowed to

1216
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: do this. We fantasy book shows based on that month's

1217
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,079
Speaker 2: pay per view, right, and we were basically other than

1218
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, like a Benoir or someone who had just

1219
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: gone to aw We could kind of bring up who

1220
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: we wanted and we did that show for years and

1221
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 2: when Rock came back into the picture. I want to say,

1222
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: like later, let let he had some kind of say

1223
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it was when he got his name

1224
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,519
Speaker 2: or whatever the hell it was. We were told that

1225
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: if we bring up the Rock, or we bring up

1226
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: the Bloodline like in that way, we had to use

1227
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,159
Speaker 2: Peter MYAVI as well, like that was a Rock, like

1228
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,519
Speaker 2: he cared about that show that aired once a month.

1229
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,679
Speaker 4: Wow, So what you're saying is you had to bring

1230
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,119
Speaker 4: up Peter every time he brought him up.

1231
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: If we said the Bloodline is a group, we had

1232
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,039
Speaker 2: to include Peter, like if we talked about it historically,

1233
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,599
Speaker 2: and you know, wow, the here's my only personal story

1234
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,639
Speaker 2: because I didn't really work with him. He wasn't around

1235
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,599
Speaker 2: that much. He sent in a twenty fifth anniversary message

1236
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: for Triple H when it was his anniversary and he

1237
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: came on the bump, but Rock did a pre tape

1238
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: to that for that excuse me. And the beginning of

1239
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: the year, it was day one he showed up and

1240
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: did that thing with gender and at the end, you know,

1241
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: after he rips down gender, he says the head of

1242
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: the table line. Now everybody in the world knew Cody

1243
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: was gonna get Roman at Mania this year. But that happened,

1244
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, maybe Roman's wrestling twice. That makes sense.

1245
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,519
Speaker 2: Have have Roman beat Rock on Night one? Okay, he's

1246
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: the head of the table. He's the head and then

1247
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,639
Speaker 2: he loses to Cody night too, and good for Cody

1248
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: gets his win and Roman gets his win over Rock

1249
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: and Cody. You know Rock, Roman's got an out. Will

1250
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: I wrestled the night before? Okay? Sure? Whatever? So he

1251
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: says the line and I gotta do raw talk that night,

1252
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: and I'm going, hey, like before I say anything, and

1253
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,599
Speaker 2: I usually didn't get a lot of direction. I just

1254
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:30,159
Speaker 2: used logic, don't speculate. He just said it like everybody.

1255
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: He said it.

1256
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: What do I do?

1257
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,519
Speaker 2: So we opened the show and Rock came out and

1258
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,119
Speaker 2: I opened it and I was like, well, he's he

1259
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: wants to be head of the table. I guess we'll

1260
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: see what that means. And I sound like an idiot

1261
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:46,199
Speaker 2: because everybody knows what he's getting at. And the other

1262
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,679
Speaker 2: part was and it's on Kathy Kelly's Instagram, so I'm

1263
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: not like he shot an interview with her, and Rie

1264
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 2: is in the interview and he's holding the Women's World

1265
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: title and it never saw the light of day, but

1266
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:01,599
Speaker 2: it's there, like it exists, and I don't know why

1267
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: more people had like didn't figure that out. The next day,

1268
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,039
Speaker 2: I was supposed to do my Twitch show with Jeff

1269
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,519
Speaker 2: Reactions and we were gonna watch No Way Rumble two

1270
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: thousand because we were watching rumbles all the way up

1271
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,079
Speaker 2: to the Rumble and Rock wins, and I was told,

1272
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 2: don't watch it, don't bring attention to it. And I'm like,

1273
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,199
Speaker 2: he was just on raw, Like what what do you want?

1274
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:21,599
Speaker 2: And they were.

1275
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 4: And then what they mean is don't bring attention to

1276
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,519
Speaker 4: that potentially ad libbed head of the table line.

1277
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: But it wasn't. That's so weird what he was doing.

1278
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,599
Speaker 2: And I think that's where, like, I do believe that

1279
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,639
Speaker 2: Rock in his head was like, oh, we can wait

1280
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:43,679
Speaker 2: for Cody. It's me, that's right, and wow, absolutely, like

1281
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: that's very confusing for all of us. And then Cody

1282
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 2: wins the Rumble and he points right at Roman and

1283
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: then they go back on it and they make Cody

1284
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,039
Speaker 2: look dumb, and then Brian Gerwitz goes on on busted

1285
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,519
Speaker 2: Open multiple times and kind of throws Cody under the bus.

1286
00:56:58,599 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was like I couldn't lay my ears.

1287
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are we doing here? This is it

1288
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: didn't happen. That's your guy, that's the guy you've built up.

1289
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,079
Speaker 2: You're going with this, I'm.

1290
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,159
Speaker 4: Not misinterpreting this match. So the day after he says

1291
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:11,559
Speaker 4: the head of the table line on that first rob

1292
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 4: of the year, you're told the next day to not

1293
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 4: bring up Rock.

1294
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: I was told that night to not speculate about Rock Roman.

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00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,239
Speaker 4: And so that means to me that Rock intends on

1296
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,639
Speaker 4: facing Roman at WrestleMania, but Triple H and Cody are

1297
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:30,079
Speaker 4: aligned to control fan attitudes in the opposite direction.

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Speaker 2: So I guess the best way I would explain it

1299
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: is when I would do those shows. For the most part,

1300
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,679
Speaker 2: I know what the layout was and whatever, and if

1301
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: I had a question and I didn't want to point

1302
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,079
Speaker 2: out a plot hole to make Creative look, I would

1303
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: always ask my producer and my producer would you know,

1304
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,239
Speaker 2: check with Creative and I get feedback and sometimes I

1305
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: would And on that day I was told don't speculate

1306
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,639
Speaker 2: about Rock Roman, and then I was told, you know,

1307
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: don't do that Twitch show the next day. And on Wednesday,

1308
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,119
Speaker 2: when you're on the bump, don't speculate about rock Roman.

1309
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: Then why did he say it?

1310
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:02,199
Speaker 3: Right?

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,199
Speaker 2: And then you plastered all over YouTube? So what am

1312
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:08,199
Speaker 2: I supposed to do with that? Look, I work for

1313
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: the team. I'll do whatever I gotta do. I'm not

1314
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:15,039
Speaker 2: an actual journalist in the company I I I'm State Media.

1315
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: But it was very like I didn't want to look

1316
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: like an idiot. Anytime I had a question and I

1317
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: didn't get an answer, I just listened to Michael Cole's commentary,

1318
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: Y's the move to do, and I would get messages,

1319
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,599
Speaker 2: you know, from like his person administrative assistant. Don't bring

1320
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: up anybody's number of their days and their title reign

1321
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: because that's just the Roman thing right now, as guomther

1322
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: is going on to massive numbers as Bianca. Nope, that's

1323
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:40,079
Speaker 2: just a Roman thing for now.

1324
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 4: Only one person gets to count days.

1325
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: Yes, makes till that kind of stuff happened, And when

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: Vince was gone, like stuff went away and I knew

1327
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: I could say wrestling, and then there was like Kevin

1328
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,719
Speaker 2: Dunn's like, ah, we're still doing sports entertainment, okay. And

1329
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,599
Speaker 2: then I remember when it seemed like Vince was back

1330
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: and he was like that January of last year, like

1331
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, reading the Row scripts and it's

1332
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,119
Speaker 2: like everybody's got a nickname and there's all of these

1333
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: descriptors and the mangy mutt Pete does whatever. I was like,

1334
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: oh he's back. When when when Brock almost got teased,

1335
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: I went, Okay, he's back.

1336
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brock Remember Brock Omas in l A Boss.

1337
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:19,119
Speaker 3: Four and a half.

1338
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: I try not to, but yes, we knew that was

1339
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: you could tell right there.

1340
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: That's such men's matchmaking.

1341
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we we were big guys. You know we're

1342
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: talking about you know, money money in the big men.

1343
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 4: Clearly as he's getting ready.

1344
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: Money money and the men, that's what we're talking about.

1345
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: To go live with Ari the next morning on CNBC

1346
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,119
Speaker 4: and you know what was it? He looks like forget it.

1347
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 3: So Howard Hughes looks like Howard Hughes emerging.

1348
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: He's Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and and j Pisarro,

1349
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:03,199
Speaker 1: The Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast.

1350
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 4: So Matt, I guess this is all coming back around,

1351
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 4: because what I want to ask you is, you know

1352
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,519
Speaker 4: when people grow up loving WDB and they love talking

1353
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 4: about ww the've talking about wrestling, they say, man and

1354
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,039
Speaker 4: people in their circle. See, well you want to work

1355
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 4: for them? Like, what wouldn't that be great? When did't

1356
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,199
Speaker 4: you love working for them? I've heard some of the

1357
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,159
Speaker 4: things you've said about kind of how it all ended.

1358
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 4: Would you counsel people that are passionate about wrestling to

1359
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 4: go work for WWE. I mean, I'm sure you're grateful

1360
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,559
Speaker 4: for your time there. You have to be, But I mean, honestly,

1361
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 4: like it sounds like a it sounds like I'm.

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01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:36,119
Speaker 2: Treated as a business. I said all that stuff because

1363
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff was like frustrating. But here's

1364
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,039
Speaker 2: the bottom line. I got paid very well to talk

1365
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:45,119
Speaker 2: about wrestling for five years exactly like like I it

1366
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,519
Speaker 2: was not in the plans. It became part of the play.

1367
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:49,239
Speaker 2: I've actually just started telling a story on my show,

1368
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: like I just eat literally on the show I recorded

1369
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,119
Speaker 2: earlier today. Here was the process of like how I

1370
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:58,199
Speaker 2: found out about it and who helped me out, and

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01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: I took everybody up until the moment I got hired.

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: And you know, I didn't expect it to be a reality.

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01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:04,639
Speaker 2: Even that time. I was like, oh, this would be

1374
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:06,599
Speaker 2: a bonus shop and it is my fantasy football stuff.

1375
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:09,239
Speaker 2: And then it became real thing, and then it was Hey,

1376
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,679
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays at one o'clock, you're gonna sit there with

1377
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: three other people and just talk about wrestling, and we're

1378
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,599
Speaker 2: gonna pay you, and you know, in a couple of years,

1379
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna pay you more and you're gonna be an

1380
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,679
Speaker 2: employee and you're gonna have health insurance because you're talking

1381
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: about wrestling. Even the worst creative, which is the toughest

1382
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: part of the job. And by tough, I mean not

1383
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:30,159
Speaker 2: that hard. It just wasn't as hard easy as the

1384
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:32,679
Speaker 2: days when creative was good. I'm still talking about wrestling.

1385
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: I mean I I've everybody has latched onto that thing

1386
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,519
Speaker 2: where I'm like, uh, you know, he said it was

1387
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: a family and I know it's not. Or like people like,

1388
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:42,719
Speaker 2: why did you think it was a family? I'm like,

1389
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,519
Speaker 2: I did it. I'm just saying that's what they said,

1390
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:48,199
Speaker 2: and it was dumb. When Rock showed up earlier this year,

1391
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,159
Speaker 2: I happened to be my birthday and we waited for

1392
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: him for two hours because he was late, and it's like, oh,

1393
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,199
Speaker 2: it's good to be back with my family and good

1394
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: to have all you family, and you know, this is

1395
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: why you're still here. And it's like and everybody like

1396
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,639
Speaker 2: they take the picture with Rock and Hunter and Nick,

1397
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: and everybody's trying to get in the background, and it's like, no,

1398
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: you've watched your family get fired over the last couple

1399
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: of months. And that's guess what. That's a business. I

1400
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: always understood that stuff. I'm very happy for my time there.

1401
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: I'm happy I had it. It was a great job.

1402
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: I met my fiance there. I paid a lot of bills.

1403
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,199
Speaker 2: I lived a very comfortable life because I worked there.

1404
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: I nothing was bad, Like I could be frustrated that

1405
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,199
Speaker 2: I didn't get a pilot off the ground, But guess what,

1406
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,519
Speaker 2: you still saw me on Mondays and Wednesdays and Fridays.

1407
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: I worked as much, if not more than any broadcaster there.

1408
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,239
Speaker 2: My face is still on peacock, I'm still on all

1409
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: those best ofs like and that will I'll always have

1410
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,719
Speaker 2: that and that's and I made friends there, and I

1411
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: learned about the business a different way that I can

1412
01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: talk about it now, and whatever happens in the future happens. Listen.

1413
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: I also would say this, if you can dedicate your

1414
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: life and if you want to go on the road,

1415
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: I say this, any in broadcasting just say yes and

1416
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: go figure it out later, and especially if you're not

1417
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,199
Speaker 2: tied to a region or a partner or anything like that,

1418
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,559
Speaker 2: and you can go do it. Yeah, I don't know

1419
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:13,159
Speaker 2: how it's gonna be in the next couple of years

1420
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:16,079
Speaker 2: under that new regime. I think people are gonna make

1421
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: a good amount of money there. I think it's a

1422
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:21,639
Speaker 2: far better business in terms of what they can do

1423
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: in the reach they have than it was a few

1424
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 2: years ago. But I don't think anybody's gonna be there forever.

1425
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,639
Speaker 2: And if you know that, that's okay. It's like those

1426
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: creative people that lasted a year and like I can't

1427
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: do this anymore, that's right.

1428
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that those are the people.

1429
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,239
Speaker 2: I think it's managing expectations. I think that's that's what

1430
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: it is. It's I love that I got to work there.

1431
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,039
Speaker 2: I'm happy I got to work there. I regret nothing

1432
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: about working there. I was really lucky that I got

1433
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 2: to work there and work with the people I did,

1434
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,039
Speaker 2: and got the opportunities I did and make the money

1435
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,719
Speaker 2: I did. To talk of, it wasn't a job. I

1436
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: happen to have an office space there, like a little cubicle,

1437
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: and it just had a bunch of wrestling stuff on

1438
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: it anybody time, anybody can to my desk. We just

1439
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,599
Speaker 2: talked wrestling.

1440
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:03,519
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

1441
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: That's a good job to me. So that's yea how

1442
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,119
Speaker 2: it ends snucked. But but you know, I still loved

1443
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: working there and I still love talking about it, and

1444
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm not ever not going to be a fan.

1445
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 4: Well, I guess in closing, as you you know, embarking

1446
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,199
Speaker 4: a new chapter, just just watching again, how has working

1447
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 4: there changed how you can watch WWE And do you

1448
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,559
Speaker 4: miss being able to watch w B the way you

1449
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:24,639
Speaker 4: used to before working there?

1450
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: I don't. I still. I think somebody asked me this

1451
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,039
Speaker 2: on a redditt Ama recently, like how did your fandom change?

1452
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: And I said, when I was there, I think the

1453
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,599
Speaker 2: stuff I really liked jumped out more because every week

1454
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:39,119
Speaker 2: I had to watch all of Raw and all of SmackDown,

1455
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:40,519
Speaker 2: and that was my job, and I knew how to

1456
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: watch it, like in the background or hey, we're not

1457
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,159
Speaker 2: going to talk about that, or I know what the

1458
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:47,639
Speaker 2: talking points are. But I think like the stuff I

1459
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: really liked, or that stuff that was really well done

1460
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,199
Speaker 2: jumped out more. You know, I loved watching Gunther's run.

1461
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: I loved I loved Otis, you know, five years ago,

1462
01:04:57,079 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: and I like them now. I think that kind of

1463
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,599
Speaker 2: stuff jumps out. I watch it and I used to

1464
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: talk to people differently, like live domin Rhea does nothing

1465
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,079
Speaker 2: for me, but I know what it clicks. It clicks

1466
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: well on YouTube and all those love stories Mandy and

1467
01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: Notice did that too, and hell go back to Macho

1468
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,559
Speaker 2: and Flare and Savage. That's a whole. That's the basis

1469
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: for a story at WrestleMania that also happened to have

1470
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,039
Speaker 2: the ww Championship WA Championship still involved. I thank god

1471
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:26,519
Speaker 2: I can still say that like that. I tried to

1472
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: listen to different people and why they liked it, and

1473
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, oh, I don't think aj Styles is that

1474
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,639
Speaker 2: good because he kind of just does matches. But man,

1475
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: I love whoever because they can talk or that was

1476
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: funny or Rhea Ripley is a great example of when

1477
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:44,079
Speaker 2: they came back from the pandemic, the reaction she was

1478
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: getting to people by surprise, and then the social and

1479
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: digital team saw the numbers she was doing and then

1480
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,039
Speaker 2: presented that to Katie and Vince and guess what, she

1481
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: got a push because of that. Now I think she

1482
01:05:55,639 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 2: touches a lot of different fan bases. But I look

1483
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:02,679
Speaker 2: at that like, oh, that's actually doing quite well. All

1484
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,039
Speaker 2: this match I loved, you know what. Not many people

1485
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:07,199
Speaker 2: cared about it. So I try to look at it

1486
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,719
Speaker 2: that way where it's not just about me, And that

1487
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: comes from wrestling and being on the Indies and spending

1488
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 2: time with friends at TNA and being a play by

1489
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,119
Speaker 2: play announcer in the Indies and doing Busted Open. It's

1490
01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:21,119
Speaker 2: you know, what's working and why is it working, and

1491
01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be for me. So I also

1492
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: try to talk about it that way as well.

1493
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 4: Quite a quite a business it is where we find

1494
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,079
Speaker 4: ourselves watching everything and diagnosing what is and isn't working

1495
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 4: instead of just watching it because we enjoy it. There

1496
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: might be something there I don't know, but fascinating. Well,

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Speaker 4: you're you're We're a grateful to you, Matt for taking

1498
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:44,519
Speaker 4: the time and getting us acquainted with what it's like

1499
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 4: to go through that that car wash over there in Stanford.

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01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:48,519
Speaker 4: That's quite a mean.

1501
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,679
Speaker 3: I would also before we go too, I just I would.

1502
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,159
Speaker 3: I would. I have to say exactly how we got to.

1503
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:02,519
Speaker 5: This point where we're interviewing him, because otherwise, it just

1504
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:05,719
Speaker 5: I feel people will people will be taken for granted.

1505
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:09,679
Speaker 5: So it's been people have seen now on my Instagram

1506
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 5: and stuff that I was a movie directed by Clark Duke.

1507
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 5: I'll tell that story another time. Tayla Becker former Braxton,

1508
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 5: also in the movie, and she and I got to

1509
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:26,239
Speaker 5: talking and I regretfully had to tell her that I

1510
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 5: was the co host of a wrestling podcast, which you know.

1511
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 4: And she actually didn't try to lose your acquaintance at

1512
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:36,199
Speaker 4: that point, right, right.

1513
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 5: Right, But you know, at the same time, it's kind

1514
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 5: of like, you know, also, here's here's a woman who's

1515
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,119
Speaker 5: been in the business professionally, and I'm also I'm now

1516
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:47,719
Speaker 5: a fan with a podcast like every other fucking, you

1517
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 5: know clown in this world.

1518
01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:52,679
Speaker 3: But we started talking some more, and you.

1519
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:55,599
Speaker 5: Know, she got to know that it was a little

1520
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 5: more of a legitimate affair, and then she mentioned Matt

1521
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 5: and I said, yeah, like, please introduce us, and she did,

1522
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:08,079
Speaker 5: and here we are today.

1523
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,519
Speaker 2: I was so like, I got the I told you

1524
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: this guy's beforehand. I was in Disney and I got

1525
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: the text. But I before that, I had, you know,

1526
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: I have alerts on for like figure whatever, accounts that

1527
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,239
Speaker 2: followed me out. I was like, oh, that's nice they

1528
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,079
Speaker 2: followed me. I guess, you know, one of my clips

1529
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: or whatever, and maybe we could do And then she

1530
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:29,399
Speaker 2: texted me and I couldn't answer, and I was like,

1531
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,119
Speaker 2: holy shit, really that's so because she had just left

1532
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:36,159
Speaker 2: and I had I had talked to her right before

1533
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,119
Speaker 2: she left, and she actually had met my fiance for

1534
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 2: the first time and at the MSG show, and then

1535
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: I get this text and I was like oh. And

1536
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: then I reached out. I was like, oh my god,

1537
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 2: and she like hit me up before I She's like, hey,

1538
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 2: do you want to do stuff with them? I was like,

1539
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,560
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, definitely, let's let's But

1540
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 2: I got it. I was so happy that that happened,

1541
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 2: and I'm happy for you, and I'm happy for both

1542
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: of you that you got it a bit. But I

1543
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 2: got to tell you something that I think you guys

1544
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,279
Speaker 2: would appreciate. Please. So when we did the Bump and

1545
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: we would do you know, people that were historical, there

1546
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: was a time where it's like, hey, let's get hardcore

1547
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,520
Speaker 2: holy on, Like okay, sure, and we would have these

1548
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: you know historical I would be like, well, we could

1549
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: do a whole, you know, career retrospective interview. So I

1550
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 2: would write ninety five percent of the questions for the

1551
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,399
Speaker 2: show and then we would like, you know, divvy them

1552
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,079
Speaker 2: up would make sense. And I had this thing and

1553
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:25,039
Speaker 2: I'm like, you have to make Kayla ask about stuff

1554
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:27,159
Speaker 2: that she has nothing that has no clue because Kayla

1555
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:29,199
Speaker 2: didn't know wrestling before she started, so she'd be like

1556
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 2: so in ninety five when Nitro was first starting and

1557
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 2: hearing her say those words like when you're wrestling, when

1558
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,199
Speaker 2: you're wrestling Vader at Summer Slam ninety six, and I'm

1559
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 2: going like, oh god, this is so good. And that

1560
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 2: just became a running bit where if we had anybody

1561
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:54,119
Speaker 2: that was historical on, Kayla would have to like, do

1562
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: this his story. And it started because she was doing

1563
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 2: research for an interview with Baron Corbin and she's like, yeah,

1564
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,199
Speaker 2: I wrote this question about him being voted the most

1565
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:09,039
Speaker 2: hated villain. And I was like, are you a Meltzer subscriber,

1566
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:12,520
Speaker 2: Like are you like what did and what publication? She's like, uh,

1567
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,079
Speaker 2: pwy voted. I go, oh my god, you have afterbags

1568
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:20,039
Speaker 2: at home and I was like oh oh, and it

1569
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:22,520
Speaker 2: clicked right there and then so every time after that

1570
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,039
Speaker 2: she would get at least one historical question that reference

1571
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:28,359
Speaker 2: and she would naw it. She would read it as

1572
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,039
Speaker 2: was and sometimes she goes like what is this? And

1573
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:33,079
Speaker 2: I remember when In Your House got brought back and

1574
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: we had Todd on and we had Adam cole on

1575
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, I watched it. I was like,

1576
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,319
Speaker 2: wella you watched In your House one and she's like yeah.

1577
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 2: I was like, what did you think of Hakushi? And

1578
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,359
Speaker 2: she's like that was the I was like yeah and so.

1579
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 2: And I always had this idea. I always wanted to

1580
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,159
Speaker 2: do a show with her where we watched old stuff

1581
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,279
Speaker 2: just to get her perspective. Oh stuff that and maybe

1582
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:58,359
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity for this all to happen between all

1583
01:10:58,359 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 2: of us.

1584
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 4: I think I know a landing pad for said. As

1585
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 4: long as you guys are comfortable never having a friend

1586
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 4: in the business again where you need to hang out,

1587
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:07,279
Speaker 4: you hang your hat.

1588
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,279
Speaker 2: But I'm glad we connected through her and I always

1589
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: loved educating her out and she's like what is this about?

1590
01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: And there were people that tried to fake it that

1591
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,079
Speaker 2: I work with, Like someone was like, uh, xbox coming

1592
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,039
Speaker 2: on and will also have the one two three kid,

1593
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: and that happened on live televisions. The first one I'm

1594
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 2: not going to mention, but that would have been yeah,

1595
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,319
Speaker 2: well the other and if we talked about again, I

1596
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 2: once caught Hogan on a lie and a lie live

1597
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:33,239
Speaker 2: on a bump.

1598
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 4: I don't believe that. Oh, I don't believe that.

1599
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:38,159
Speaker 2: The clip because we were talking about it was the

1600
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:42,079
Speaker 2: day of the Rumble. The guest this was Brian Danielson,

1601
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 2: Goldberg and Hogan all in the same episode. And I

1602
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: just did like Hogan's entire Rumble history and like he

1603
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 2: said something, He's like, oh yeah, when I wanted three,

1604
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 2: Like he said a blatant lie, and I like the

1605
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,520
Speaker 2: next question was like, well, Hulk actually and he's like, well,

1606
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,399
Speaker 2: you caught me there, brother, And he was. He was

1607
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 2: definitely bumped up. Let me just tell you that on

1608
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,039
Speaker 2: that that interview.

1609
01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 4: Dude, there was a point I don't remember when it was.

1610
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 4: It must have been one of those old Bubba clips

1611
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,239
Speaker 4: that we listened to when we were doing our journey

1612
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 4: through total NonStop Hogan as we called it, his his

1613
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,239
Speaker 4: his run in t NA, and there's like a big

1614
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 4: long thing where we went through every single thing Hogan

1615
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 4: did in TNA, and there's a certain clip I.

1616
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:23,520
Speaker 2: Was I'm still I'm sorry.

1617
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,079
Speaker 5: I'm still suffering from post traumatic stress about that whole

1618
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 5: journey we did.

1619
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:31,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was definitely more than we bargained for as

1620
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 4: we went, but we found all these gems and one

1621
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 4: of there's an interview where he's he's he's carrying on

1622
01:12:36,319 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 4: with his you know, flowery descriptions and taking poetic license

1623
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 4: with everything, and and someone like pulls up the match

1624
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 4: right away and he's like, brother, Like, He's like, you

1625
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,399
Speaker 4: just pulled that up like that fast, you can find

1626
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:50,199
Speaker 4: any match. It was almost like the walls are starting

1627
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 4: to close in, like he can't.

1628
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,319
Speaker 2: I feel like that that's the only place I can

1629
01:12:57,359 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: think over there they pulled something up that fast, And

1630
01:12:59,039 --> 01:12:59,359
Speaker 2: then he.

1631
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,159
Speaker 4: Was look horrified that, like he could be fact checked

1632
01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 4: in real time.

1633
01:13:03,319 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: Brother, don't look up that Metallica discography.

1634
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: I'm screwed, all right.

1635
01:13:09,039 --> 01:13:11,399
Speaker 4: I gotta got going, dude, Well we gotta get going too.

1636
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 4: But Matt, I think seeds have been planted, all right.

1637
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 2: And anytime I'd love to come back. I'd love to

1638
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,039
Speaker 2: have you guys on on my show because I have

1639
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: some ideas that I think you should be perfectly for.

1640
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 2: So let's try to make that out. And if we

1641
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:28,319
Speaker 2: could get Cale involved behind, we could definitely have some fun.

1642
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, every single thing she's ever done could be

1643
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 4: a pod.

1644
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:31,119
Speaker 3: You know.

1645
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 4: Just take us through this moment, Caylet tell us how

1646
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:35,199
Speaker 4: much you love.

1647
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:40,319
Speaker 2: Just get her screaming about. That's all you need there.

1648
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,079
Speaker 2: She had to scream, and she loves horror and she

1649
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 2: does the worst scream ever because Roman likes something on

1650
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: top of him and she's like, ah, and it's so bad.

1651
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 2: And we played it NonStop for a good couple of

1652
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 2: weeks after that because she was so embarrassed because she

1653
01:13:57,079 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: wants to be in horror movies. Well that's not on your.

1654
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 4: Well, this is on ours, thank you, Matt, And I think,

1655
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I think boss, it's safe to say that

1656
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 4: Matt camp TLF approved the Solar system can consume his

1657
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 4: content with a clear conscience. He's kissed the ring.

1658
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, He's more than welcome.

1659
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,159
Speaker 2: God, thank you, guys. I really appreciating. Let's talk again soon.

1660
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 4: It sounds great. Thanks everybody, Thank you. Matt Peters.

1661
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,119
Speaker 3: Preceeding is a production of the Labs Entertainment Group. Its

1662
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 3: content is intended for private use only. Really sorry, we

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 3: want