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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
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Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here when I'm new to one down now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
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Speaker 2: I've thought of a ventures about text nine. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I want to welcome our guests back to the show.
Speaker 1: It is Andy McGrath, friend of the show and a
Speaker 1: fellow author on Hanger One Publishing. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: show man. How are you?
Speaker 3: I am very good and I'm even here to be
Speaker 3: here with you today. We had a great chat. What
Speaker 3: was eager to talk crpteds.
Speaker 1: I have been looking forward to this conversation. We're doing
Speaker 1: a little series and highlighting some of the authors over
Speaker 1: on Hanger One Publishing. My book was published over there
Speaker 1: in March of this year. I've been stoked about that.
Speaker 1: I've talked to other authors and had a great time
Speaker 1: talking about cryptids and all kinds of things that I
Speaker 1: normally wouldn't talk to people about. I interviewed a lady
Speaker 1: the other day who had written a fiction book that
Speaker 1: was loosely based on some facts around the Yazzi ratlines
Speaker 1: and the exodus from some of the Nazi folks from
Speaker 1: World War Two. Very interesting conversation. I didn't think I
Speaker 1: would have a conversation about that on a Bigfoot podcast.
Speaker 1: But you never know what the world is going to
Speaker 1: present to you. I know we're going to get into
Speaker 1: some cryptid stuff and talk about Bigfoot with you, because
Speaker 1: that's what you do, that is your thing. Let's get
Speaker 1: right into some of the questions I have about the book.
Speaker 1: I was over there in the United Kingdom a little
Speaker 1: while ago, a couple of months back and looking into
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and got to go out into the woods. I'm
Speaker 1: always fascinated with the prospect of there being a bigfoot creature,
Speaker 1: a sasquatch creature, some sort of upright big giant harry
Speaker 1: walking creature in the woods anywhere, but particularly in the
Speaker 1: United Kingdom. So let's talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: What was the impetus for you looking into that? Was
Speaker 1: it just the reports that people were putting out there
Speaker 1: that got you interested in the subject of bigfoot in
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom?
Speaker 3: It was that I wasn't interested in or even a
Speaker 3: where big United Kingdom at all. I was a big
Speaker 3: nassy fan and I love cryptology around the world. I
Speaker 3: was actually yet it was probably my favorite hairy humoroid
Speaker 3: that was out there. When I started writing the first
Speaker 3: version of Beasts of Britain in twenty seventeen, I started researching. Okay,
Speaker 3: here's my challenge. I have to find other cryptid like
Speaker 3: stories in the UK. And suddenly I came up on
Speaker 3: this cash as this community, even the bigfoot researchers saying
Speaker 3: there is a big Foot in the UK, and that
Speaker 3: sounds pretty insane. It's only a small island, it's a
Speaker 3: closed system, after all, how could there possibly be room
Speaker 3: for something like this to survive and thrive in the UK.
Speaker 3: I found a few prominent researchers at the time I
Speaker 3: made maps and other things in the probably citing saying, yeah,
Speaker 3: people are reporting something even in the present. I thought,
Speaker 3: that's tint impossible. Let's look into this. Sure enough, I
Speaker 3: did read lots of compelling reports and mets for people
Speaker 3: who seemed to be very legitimate, one of whom was
Speaker 3: a primate keeping factor who said they had seen something
Speaker 3: resembling at Bigfoot in the UK. I thought, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: going to take a deep dive into this. I've got
Speaker 3: to look into not only the reports, but the history
Speaker 3: of these kinds of sightings in the UK, something that
Speaker 3: could be perhaps even related to them, going back to
Speaker 3: the ancient period or the medieval period, and see if
Speaker 3: it's possible that something like that could survive here and detected.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about some of those encounter stories
Speaker 1: that people had shared with you, any that stuck out
Speaker 1: to you for whatever reason that people have shared over
Speaker 1: there about a big Foot like creature in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3: There's two I repeat a lot, and apologies to anybody
Speaker 3: who's heared me tell these before. The two are what
Speaker 3: I call the ape Man of ebitt Abinethie Forest, and
Speaker 3: the other one is the Box Egg Box alg is
Speaker 3: one of my favorites because Box Hill in Surrey is
Speaker 3: a place very close to where I live, not far
Speaker 3: from me, so that's something that seems even more probable
Speaker 3: well because of that, but I love that story. The
Speaker 3: first one the ape Man of Avenfi Forest. This is
Speaker 3: in Abenfi Forest in Strasbabe in Scotland, which is actually
Speaker 3: not too far from lochdest or that general area in
Speaker 3: the Scottish Highlands. This was given to me by a
Speaker 3: primate keeper of thirty seven years who was then retired.
Speaker 3: He'd gone wild camping in Scotland with his brother. Now
Speaker 3: basically most of the UK you can't just camp out
Speaker 3: anywhere in people's land, but Scotland it's legal. You can't
Speaker 3: just go and camp on land in the woods somewhere
Speaker 3: and spend a week there without permission from anybody. They'd
Speaker 3: gone there anyway, and they used to do this every
Speaker 3: year they'd gone to camp. This is August twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: I believe they'd taken some light arms with them, so
Speaker 3: these were sort of air rifles things they could shoot
Speaker 3: rabbits with. To catch their dinner. They'd spot in the field,
Speaker 3: but they thought there would be some nice rabbits, and
Speaker 3: they'd gone out early in the morning to shoot some
Speaker 3: of them. They were creeping through the field and maybe
Speaker 3: about four am the light was up some Suddenly the
Speaker 3: main guy al his name was, He can't hear is
Speaker 3: rather behind him. He turns to look at him and
Speaker 3: just sees him standing in their slack. Door of maths
Speaker 3: open and he's surprised and looks forward and sees a big, black,
Speaker 3: hairy shape. It's looking like it's lean over black people bush,
Speaker 3: almost like it's eating. It's got its back to them. He's, oh,
Speaker 3: what is this? It's just a what is this thing?
Speaker 3: Not talk chap. He was about five for two, this guy,
Speaker 3: he said, it was about that height, bent over. Suddenly
Speaker 3: it cocks its head to the side and stands up.
Speaker 3: He almost ate feetall and turns and looks at them. Now.
Speaker 3: He says what he saw as a primate keeper was simin.
Speaker 3: It wasn't some kind of human, and looked to him
Speaker 3: something like a cross between a gorilla in its body,
Speaker 3: but with long legs, long manlike legs, but very thick
Speaker 3: and muscular, with a face like almost like an older
Speaker 3: banobo chimp. Pink lip was sticking out, had a muzzle
Speaker 3: that was very flat and it was a little bolding
Speaker 3: on top, and he said. They stood then and looked
Speaker 3: at him for a few seconds, and then just turned
Speaker 3: and walked off into the woods, briefly looking back to
Speaker 3: check where they were. And even when he saw it,
Speaker 3: he just dropped his rifle to the ground straight away,
Speaker 3: lowered in. He was shocked. They turned around to say
Speaker 3: to his bid, my goodness, what was that to see
Speaker 3: he'd gone his scarp and he'd run off. He headed
Speaker 3: back to where they were camped to find his brother
Speaker 3: quickly putting all of their camping gear back in the
Speaker 3: car and saying that that's it, we're going. And he
Speaker 3: wanted to be a primate keeper. Watched the going search. Well,
Speaker 3: this huge creature they'd just seen, but that was it.
Speaker 3: He was hooked. From that moment on. He was walked
Speaker 3: looking into big food sightings, going around the country, talking
Speaker 3: to other people, sharing those results. At me, it's got
Speaker 3: the best provenance to it. I could trace the zeal
Speaker 3: with this person. I know what his name is, but
Speaker 3: I know he's an expert in the area of primates.
Speaker 3: So that's one of my favorite all time British bigfood sightings.
Speaker 1: Where was the other one you mentioned?
Speaker 3: The Box Hill, the box Hill Ape, now that one.
Speaker 3: So I live just over the border in Surrey, You're
Speaker 3: not far from London. Box Hill is a place on
Speaker 3: the North Downs and it's a beautiful area just said,
Speaker 3: at the top of the North Downs, which is a
Speaker 3: huge forested area that runs almost all the way down
Speaker 3: to the coast, to the south coast. I often go
Speaker 3: there myself and this is place called the Stairs or
Speaker 3: the stepping Stone. So you cross these little stepping stones
Speaker 3: across the river after you get off the train and
Speaker 3: it's all countryfied, and then you head up this hill,
Speaker 3: this hills about thinking about seven eight hundred feet elevation.
Speaker 3: He's got these earthen steps surrounded by forests that are
Speaker 3: encased in wood. People often walk up there and crazy
Speaker 3: people run up there to keep fit. And it was
Speaker 3: one summer evening again twenty twelve, which seems to have
Speaker 3: been a very good year for bigwood sightings. A runner
Speaker 3: it's running the steps. They get near to the bottom,
Speaker 3: that's say forty feet from the bottom, and decide they're
Speaker 3: going to have a little rest. It's late evening, it's summer,
Speaker 3: and they're sitting down and having their energy drinking. There's
Speaker 3: been about twenty minutes perhaps since they've sat down. Nobody's around,
Speaker 3: and suddenly they can hear somebody coming down the steps.
Speaker 3: They think, oh, I better move to the side, because
Speaker 3: probably some of these dog walkers are often frequent series.
Speaker 3: It is coming down the steps. I'll move to the side.
Speaker 3: The steps stop, they don't hear anything. They turn around
Speaker 3: to think runs this about ten meters back to the
Speaker 3: right hand side of the steps, they see what they
Speaker 3: describe as a sort of an ape, so with the
Speaker 3: brown of patches of gray and then the human like
Speaker 3: face with the flat nose, the big jaw, looking at
Speaker 3: a proportion to the head. So the head was domed
Speaker 3: at the top, but there's still on two legs. It
Speaker 3: wasn't a plastic abors we think one. It's still on
Speaker 3: two legs. It was straight, but it was slightly sort
Speaker 3: of slumped over with lott arms. The arms were long
Speaker 3: in proportion to the body and very solidly thick built animal.
Speaker 3: The goodness looked at this frightening animal six foot plus
Speaker 3: maybe a bit taller. It was just staring at them
Speaker 3: for thirty seconds. So it turned around and walked off
Speaker 3: while still watching the witness. Very significantly. After it walk off,
Speaker 3: this witness, who had no skin in the game just
Speaker 3: know anything about Bigfoot, said, gives smell, a stale farm
Speaker 3: animal type of smell lingered. Before they seemed the creature,
Speaker 3: they had observed or noticed a sort of a banging
Speaker 3: or knocking sound, like wood on wood in the woods,
Speaker 3: which is a very significant fact as well, Nathal. Perhaps
Speaker 3: maybe people working or forestry work is out there in
Speaker 3: the woods cutting or banging or doing something clearing a forest.
Speaker 3: It was a big Foot like creature that's also been
Speaker 3: seen in the same area by several motorists driving up
Speaker 3: what they call the zig zags which send the hill
Speaker 3: to the top of Box Hill. Again, I said, this
Speaker 3: is a popular tourist area. People walk and hike and
Speaker 3: ride there all the time. It does a butt the
Speaker 3: nose down in the disc go all the way down
Speaker 3: to the coast. In that we are almost unbroken rural landscape.
Speaker 3: So that's my number two favorite, or maybe number one
Speaker 3: because it's close, but it's the best time can think
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me, and this is one of the
Speaker 1: things that I love talking to different people across the
Speaker 1: country and certainly around the world, is the physical descriptions
Speaker 1: of these creatures. You talk a lot about that in
Speaker 1: your book. You talk about different creatures in the book,
Speaker 1: different cryptids. But when you're talking about like the Woodwoes
Speaker 1: compared to the North American sasquatch and these reports of
Speaker 1: physical descriptions, what have you seen over the years as
Speaker 1: far as the difference is, because there's so many differences
Speaker 1: that you hear just over here. You talk about the
Speaker 1: Florida skunk Ape and some of the really different experiences
Speaker 1: people have, and then the physical descriptions of these things
Speaker 1: vary greatly from say the Pacific Northwest. How are you
Speaker 1: seeing the differences maybe in different regions over there in
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom obviously compared to what we hear the
Speaker 1: majority of the time, the classic, if you will, descriptions
Speaker 1: physically of these creatures over here in North America.
Speaker 3: I did at another book Compavery Humoroids. It's but at
Speaker 3: least the World series, particularly one volume so far, did
Speaker 3: I've talked about these kinds of things, And it wasn't
Speaker 3: an original idea I had it was I learned it
Speaker 3: from reading Jeff Melbourne's work. Oh, there's the man a type,
Speaker 3: there's the wildmand type one was in the anddertoloid type.
Speaker 3: There's the ape type like a relic eight type as well,
Speaker 3: and the little type. I thought, could this be possible?
Speaker 3: Could this be real that they're all different types? Or
Speaker 3: are we looking at different descriptions of the same kind
Speaker 3: of creature from different peoples in different areas around the world.
Speaker 3: I concluded, No, Actually, they do seem to be at
Speaker 3: least a variation species, if nothing else. So that man
Speaker 3: a type does seem to be very different to something
Speaker 3: like the Florida skunkin which again seems a little more
Speaker 3: similar to something like the yetti in the description atleast
Speaker 3: anyway than it to the sasquatch, even in the way
Speaker 3: it's for motion. It seems to resort to quadrupedal locomotion
Speaker 3: quite often as well. You see that the bigfoot sasquatch
Speaker 3: always seems to be mostly in most accounts anyway, an
Speaker 3: upright creature that has that difference. Better people than I
Speaker 3: would also talk about foot morphology as well, are not
Speaker 3: really qualified to discuss that. But you notice the difference
Speaker 3: perhaps between the footprint of the sasquatch compared to the
Speaker 3: yeddy what we believe is the heavy footprint anyway, then
Speaker 3: as to something like the iron pendet, a veritable little
Speaker 3: foot in Indonesia, probably the only un discovered blindly to
Speaker 3: be discovered within the century, at least, it seems to
Speaker 3: be something that's pretty closely all half this difference or flogy,
Speaker 3: we still seem to be looking at the same kind
Speaker 3: of species. And after wondering, is this the difference between
Speaker 3: polar bears, brown bears, black bears, some bears, pandas, is
Speaker 3: that the kind of difference we're looking at? They are all,
Speaker 3: in facticate bears. To any outside us looking in, you'd say, yeah,
Speaker 3: they are all bears at vary in different times.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch odyssey. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
Speaker 3: Could that be the variation we're talking about or they
Speaker 3: completely unrelated? Species? Doesn't actually seem very liked you to,
Speaker 3: so yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely agree with that. One of the things that
Speaker 1: came up while I was over in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to see as much as a divide
Speaker 1: I guess divide would be a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: In the research in the United Kingdom into Bigfoot that
Speaker 1: I experienced while I was there versus here in North America.
Speaker 1: I was over there in the Bridgewater area speaking at
Speaker 1: a conference earlier this summer, and I was on a
Speaker 1: panel with a couple of other researchers that were native
Speaker 1: to the United Kingdom, and one of the first things
Speaker 1: out of one of the guy's mouth was, Bigfoot doesn't
Speaker 1: exist in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3: It's the being Richard Freeman exactly.
Speaker 1: And he said that, I think more along along the
Speaker 1: lines of and this is something I want to get
Speaker 1: into with you. There seemed to be this belief that
Speaker 1: there was more of an inter dimensional I guess we'd
Speaker 1: call it a high strangeness aspect of these creatures, because
Speaker 1: one of the things that came up is in one
Speaker 1: of the things I know that we probably talked about
Speaker 1: in the past, how do these creatures remain hidden For
Speaker 1: the most part. Obviously they're not completely hidden, because we're
Speaker 1: talking about sightings, and this entire podcast is based on
Speaker 1: people having encounters with these things. But how is it
Speaker 1: that they do remain hidden in such a densely populated
Speaker 1: area in some cases. And one thing I found that
Speaker 1: is more for me and evolved over the years of
Speaker 1: doing this podcast and talking to many researchers and many
Speaker 1: people who have had encounters over the years, is the
Speaker 1: fact that there seems to be this feeling. At least
Speaker 1: when I came into this, I thought these things had
Speaker 1: to be twenty miles deep in the woods for you
Speaker 1: to have some sort of encounter. But the more I've
Speaker 1: talked to people, it's very much like you said, there's
Speaker 1: dog walkers in the area. It's more of an edge
Speaker 1: of where people have moved into these areas that would
Speaker 1: be forested areas, and they create this edge along the
Speaker 1: forest over here and then the people side over here.
Speaker 1: But that seems to be where these things are congregating,
Speaker 1: and that's where you're having these encounters and these experiences.
Speaker 1: I know that was a lie, so I'll simplify the question.
Speaker 3: Well, I understand the question, and I think there's a
Speaker 3: few points in that basically, and to say that something
Speaker 3: improbable doesn't exist, but that what people are seeing is
Speaker 3: some sort of like inter dimensional portal hopping being involved
Speaker 3: in the areas of high strange lists it's a funny
Speaker 3: thing to substitute it with. It's almost like here one
Speaker 3: research I come up. It was years ago. There was
Speaker 3: some weird terror sword like sightings I included in my
Speaker 3: book Visa Britain that were in the UK, and I
Speaker 3: looked at the whitness sightings that spot that witnesses. I said, Okay,
Speaker 3: whether they're real or they're not, obviously it's most likely
Speaker 3: that they're not. But when they are, these people are
Speaker 3: convinced that they're find presenting their sightings as genuine sightings
Speaker 3: because they are genuine in their reports and will investigate
Speaker 3: the red flags that could be misinterpretational with it. But
Speaker 3: something actually said that they believed that these reports were
Speaker 3: ghosts of dinosaurs. That to me is a funny thing
Speaker 3: to submit as a more plausible alternative to prehistoric survivors
Speaker 3: or undiscovered animals living in the closed system of the UK,
Speaker 3: but still a large island or a tiny place with
Speaker 3: lots of available space. That was a weird thing to me.
Speaker 3: I'd rather go with mis interpretation, or let's say something
Speaker 3: like sociocultural inherited memory. For example, when you go to
Speaker 3: Latin America, South America and the Philippines, in Spain and Portugal,
Speaker 3: they all have tales of the Dwendy, the little dwarf
Speaker 3: like creature. Don't they really believe that the conquistadors and
Speaker 3: the Spanish colonists brought these little Dwendys to all the
Speaker 3: places they inhabited. They don't go any further than the
Speaker 3: bottom of Texas, right, But doesn't make it any sense. Clearly,
Speaker 3: this is a colonial transplant that's either acting as a
Speaker 3: descriptive for things people are seeing or they believe they're
Speaker 3: seen and because it's in their cultural inherited memory of
Speaker 3: the possibilities as things that can be. And it's the
Speaker 3: same in North America where you have things like the
Speaker 3: wild Sasquatch that's not too dissimilar to the wildland or
Speaker 3: so that's really the wisp when that's where walls and
Speaker 3: there are European descriptors, if not European colonial transplant to
Speaker 3: our ancestors and the way they perceive these things. And
Speaker 3: it's strange that you can see boundaries, crypted boundaries all
Speaker 3: the around world based upon the primary culture of the
Speaker 3: dominant culture that has been present in our country. That
Speaker 3: really stuck with me. It really starts changing the way
Speaker 3: I thought about these things saying, okay, is this something
Speaker 3: in us that describes things a certain way or is
Speaker 3: even prone to seeing things like in areas of high
Speaker 3: strangeness culturally expect them to be there. One of the
Speaker 3: things that stands out is when more Kazuma's men see
Speaker 3: Cortez arriving to the Americas in the ships, they describe
Speaker 3: the ships as floating mountains. Anybody who's seen the ship
Speaker 3: doesn't think it's a mountain, But that's the only thing
Speaker 3: they had available in their minds to describe it. But
Speaker 3: one thing, sorry I would say, just to finish that
Speaker 3: as well, in relations to space available places to hide
Speaker 3: in the UK, if they were actually real, if they
Speaker 3: were actually cure, is that there was this great study
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve undertaken by the UK National Ecosystem Assessment,
Speaker 3: and they discovered the only six point eight percent of
Speaker 3: the UK's land areas classified as urban when you go
Speaker 3: to the primary countries that make up the UK as
Speaker 3: ten point six percent for England or percent of Wales,
Speaker 3: three point six percent of normal lives and only one
Speaker 3: point nine percent ball of Scotland has urban sprawl, and
Speaker 3: that includes motorways and rural settlements as well. So there's
Speaker 3: a lot of space, as you saw from the train,
Speaker 3: just that bit where there's nobody I know traveling in
Speaker 3: the country. Sometimes wherever I'm filming or i'm out of
Speaker 3: wood someone and some new investigation, there's just nobody. I
Speaker 3: won't see anybody all day long. So the space is here,
Speaker 3: the food is here. I'm not sure whether the creature
Speaker 3: is here.
Speaker 1: Air enough. One thing that's come out over and over.
Speaker 1: I'm doing some editing today on an upcoming podcast that
Speaker 1: I'm putting out probably in a couple of days as
Speaker 1: we record this. There was a gentleman up in Michigan.
Speaker 1: He mentions, as some people do sometimes I do these
Speaker 1: interviews like three months ago, and I'm editing them today.
Speaker 1: I've slept since then, so I forget a lot of things.
Speaker 1: He mentions photographs, and I go back into the emails
Speaker 1: that he sent. There's five or six photographs, and I
Speaker 1: see he sends some pictures of what looked like teepee structures,
Speaker 1: and you can almost take this photograph that he has
Speaker 1: that he found somewhere in I think it was up
Speaker 1: in the Thumb of Michigan, in that area off the coast,
Speaker 1: and you can put it side by side to something
Speaker 1: I found on my neighbor's land less in a mile
Speaker 1: or so away from my property. The pictures in my book,
Speaker 1: and it's almost identical this structure. So it means one
Speaker 1: of two things. Either somebody a person built that in
Speaker 1: Michigan and a person built what I saw. But in
Speaker 1: both cases, you talk to me, you talk to this guy.
Speaker 1: They're in the middle of nowhere. It doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: It's not plausible that a person would build a structure
Speaker 1: like this. I don't know why it would even be
Speaker 1: plausible that a bigfoot would do it. Frankly, but as
Speaker 1: far as stick structures, are you finding the same thing
Speaker 1: over in your area, your neck of the woods? Are
Speaker 1: people describing finding these kind of stick structures? And if so,
Speaker 1: what are they finding? Are they finding tepee kind of
Speaker 1: structures or is it something different over there they too.
Speaker 3: I did a whole section again sort of thing cruppling
Speaker 3: the book and be so britten about this called sticks
Speaker 3: and stones and the problem I think what an argument is, Yes,
Speaker 3: these things are found here. We also have a reallytive
Speaker 3: bushcrafting population of scouts and young people and even grown
Speaker 3: up actively go into the woods to make little huts
Speaker 3: the sticks. Now say, perhaps the place like the UK,
Speaker 3: it's more likely to be people. I can't imagine anybody
Speaker 3: going into rural especially when most people rural people in
Speaker 3: your country, armed into some of these land and erecting
Speaker 3: some sort of structure that seems to be not only
Speaker 3: unlikely but risky. But because I mean, they won't, because
Speaker 3: people do strange things and not things all the time.
Speaker 3: And the problem we have is that unless there are
Speaker 3: other factors present, like footprints and hares and scatter, the
Speaker 3: mysterious things that we can't account for, perhaps even that
Speaker 3: are still a sighting in that area, the tps are
Speaker 3: just that they're just the tepis. We can't eliminate them
Speaker 3: as being non humans. Humans very rickly do make these
Speaker 3: kinds of structures, So it's in a ways that inadmissible
Speaker 3: without mitigating factors that other evidence.
Speaker 1: You also talk a little bit about infrasales, and this
Speaker 1: is something else that came up hearing that interview, and
Speaker 1: it's something that's not in every single interview I do.
Speaker 1: It's not involved in every single encounter, but by and large,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who believe that they're
Speaker 1: quote unquote zapped with or they're affected by infrasound. There's
Speaker 1: this nausea, there's this really sick feeling that they described.
Speaker 1: Some people feel like it is even targeted at them
Speaker 1: in some cases. I had abeon from Minnesota a couple
Speaker 1: of episodes back in Abe is a pretty big guy physically,
Speaker 1: and he was the biggest person in his group, and
Speaker 1: he said he was the only one who got sick
Speaker 1: and felt this feeling when they were entering this area
Speaker 1: where they were having this activity. What is your thoughts
Speaker 1: on infrasound? Is that something again that you're hearing about
Speaker 1: over there and maybe even in cases here in the
Speaker 1: United States and North America that have intrigued you, And
Speaker 1: what do you think about infrasound and Bigfoot just in general?
Speaker 3: I think if sound is actually one of the most
Speaker 3: perusible things attached to Bigfoot, that could proved it's some animal.
Speaker 3: So we know some animals have infrasound. Elephants for sound,
Speaker 3: lions to a point have infrasound, crocodiles I believe, and
Speaker 3: somebody said even tigers has been observed using it to
Speaker 3: stunt to mobilize their prey before they attack them. They're
Speaker 3: using this infrasound to mobilize them. I start looking to
Speaker 3: reports about their cure, which is very rare. There was
Speaker 3: one I'll tell you about in just a moment, but
Speaker 3: also in places like Australia, there's a great Yawi report,
Speaker 3: and there's several reports of people having this really unnerving feeling,
Speaker 3: this terrible fear. Seasoned hunters, seasoned bushmen, aboriginals too, who
Speaker 3: wouldn't normally be a traid to be out in the
Speaker 3: woods hunting in their natural environment in the act, felt
Speaker 3: this terrible fear just before they caught a glimpse of
Speaker 3: this creature, the YOOI The only example I've got with
Speaker 3: you happened with a researcha called Neil Young, which here
Speaker 3: in Britain hill is keep here on the Finding big
Speaker 3: Foot British episode. Anyway, I know him and I spoke
Speaker 3: to him about occasionally sent me an example of infrasound.
Speaker 3: He and a researcher had recorded that they'd been out
Speaker 3: of the wood somewhere in all Sumberland. It's just in
Speaker 3: the far nosele fingered on the east side. They thought
Speaker 3: they were getting some kind of activity and they thought
Speaker 3: there was definitely something present in the areas. And they
Speaker 3: place this intra sound recorder in a tree and Sunday
Speaker 3: out of note where they both get this feeling that
Speaker 3: they want to lead straight away, want to go, They
Speaker 3: want to get out of there, and they go back
Speaker 3: to where they park and sleep in the car. To
Speaker 3: strange for them, they want to find big Foot. They're
Speaker 3: looking for an experience. And the next day they come back,
Speaker 3: they take out the recorder, they take it home, they
Speaker 3: plug it in. Sure enough, on their book recorder, there
Speaker 3: is a growl of some kind I could only be
Speaker 3: heard by the record of itself. It was too low
Speaker 3: for humans or most animals here and there. It was
Speaker 3: like a little guttural sound, and I thought, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: I can see the register. I can see the sound.
Speaker 3: You caught something. It's proved to me a way that
Speaker 3: it worked on you. It made you leave, and you
Speaker 3: didn't know why you left, you just did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very similar to things I've heard from other people.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that has always fascinated me,
Speaker 1: and I too believe that it's possible these creatures have
Speaker 1: that kind of ability, because I think there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things that could probably be a cause for that.
Speaker 1: If people are in a situation, they're in a high
Speaker 1: stress situation and they're feeling like they're interacting with something,
Speaker 1: there's some physiological things that can take place. I've been
Speaker 1: in high stress situations as a police officer in the
Speaker 1: past and afterwards. Maybe not in the moment, but when
Speaker 1: the adrenaline dump happens, the body acts physiologically different for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and sometimes that can be the
Speaker 1: case if you're in a high stress or in a
Speaker 1: fear based situation. So I don't know, it's interesting to me.
Speaker 1: I'm always interested in talking to people who have had
Speaker 1: that kind of experience of what they believe to be infrasound,
Speaker 1: because it's something that I just can't figure out, but
Speaker 1: because it's not in every single case, and sometimes it
Speaker 1: seems to be targeted, sometimes the entire group feels it.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that has always fascinated me.
Speaker 1: Anytime I get a chance to talk to anybody who's
Speaker 1: had experiences with it, I definitely like to have that conversation.
Speaker 3: I think it it's directional that would be fascinating. You
Speaker 3: talk about you being the largest person in this group
Speaker 3: therefore being the threat, the big alpha male threat physically
Speaker 3: if he experienced that, it's genuine, that's directional, and that's
Speaker 3: a directional attack, taking at the lead, taking at the
Speaker 3: head of the phalanx almost and that, to me, I
Speaker 3: find fascinating. That's one thing that I have to appropriate
Speaker 3: about a bit further later than my files.
Speaker 1: This is something that's constantly going on in the conversations here,
Speaker 1: at least in my circle of friends and people that
Speaker 1: I talk to in the bigfoot community over here in
Speaker 1: North America. And I think I probably know the answer
Speaker 1: to this already, but I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about the scientific involvement and bigfoot. There's very little of
Speaker 1: that here in North America. There's only a handful of
Speaker 1: people that have ever really been involved seriously in the
Speaker 1: subject that believe these creatures existed and went to any
Speaker 1: links to either prove that or disprove it, or collect
Speaker 1: evidence and be a part of it from a scientific standpoint.
Speaker 1: Jeff Meldram comes to mind, the late doctor John Bendronaugel.
Speaker 1: There's been a few people. Is there any interest that
Speaker 1: you've found in your research and looking into the subjects
Speaker 1: for as many years as you've looked into all of
Speaker 1: these cryptids in the United Kingdom from the powers that be,
Speaker 1: the officials the scientific community over there is there any
Speaker 1: interest at all that you've seen in them taking a
Speaker 1: look at the subject of the possibility of Bigfoot or
Speaker 1: any of these cryptids being real.
Speaker 3: I think given the last person to really look into
Speaker 3: it of being Professor Bine Sykes any rest of pees,
Speaker 3: at least it was Javentsist who was well placed investigate
Speaker 3: the phenomena and taked some great work. But I think
Speaker 3: he concluded with some of the samples he got that
Speaker 3: they were not genuine or there was something that was
Speaker 3: unclassifiable about them. He couldn't say it was one hundred
Speaker 3: percent some form of Harry's euanoid.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
Speaker 3: I think there was also the Professor Lincast who did
Speaker 3: the YETI DNA samples from all of the various scalps
Speaker 3: and mummified remains and also came up empty. In recent times,
Speaker 3: I don't really really think there was anybody, but that
Speaker 3: makes sense to me. The science is very cautious and
Speaker 3: careers are made and broken upon research and if you
Speaker 3: go off that tim into the words to find messy
Speaker 3: or anything else of that nature. At least if you
Speaker 3: don't go from a very skeptical wanted to disprove this
Speaker 3: creature exists, as the Kiwi scientists who did the e
Speaker 3: DNA at Lockness, Neil Gemmel who came and included there's
Speaker 3: tons of eels, a lot lesson and little else. He
Speaker 3: didn't find the artists out there, He didn't find the
Speaker 3: occasional seals were there. He didn't even find half the
Speaker 3: species that don't deliver in a lot. It is sampling
Speaker 3: because the lot is huge. How are you going to
Speaker 3: do that you can sample in thirty different areas? Not possible.
Speaker 3: But at least he gave it a shot. He populicized
Speaker 3: the hind it. That was a good thing. If it's
Speaker 3: not a novelty, if it's not trying to break in
Speaker 3: some sort of new science to get funding, they're not
Speaker 3: really interested. Not really blamed them, because that's your career,
Speaker 3: It miss your tenured's going to be out on your
Speaker 3: ear before your promotion. Concept you're not going to get it.
Speaker 3: They're a market for scientists crimptas. I think there is,
Speaker 3: but they always already have to be ingrained in some
Speaker 3: sort of media set up with a good agent and
Speaker 3: a host of programs. That's going to be the payoff.
Speaker 3: That's the reason they're doing it. But I don't blame them.
Speaker 3: I don't blame them all, but I do blame us.
Speaker 3: We're not very good citizen scientists. There is a fandom
Speaker 3: to bigfoot, which is good. I love that, as well
Speaker 3: as a scientific interest in that. You said you didn't
Speaker 3: realize there would be so many different opinions in the UK,
Speaker 3: such a small place, about the possibility of bigfoot, And
Speaker 3: yet it seems to be that this genre has some
Speaker 3: real venomon and it occasionally. Having studied religion for my
Speaker 3: degree theology. To my degree, I was going to be
Speaker 3: a priest a long time ago. I'm not better to
Speaker 3: be a private hypocrite the public one, they say. Having
Speaker 3: done that, being a religious person, I recognize religion when
Speaker 3: I see it, and a lot of these philosophies are
Speaker 3: almost like a whole for the absence of corporate religion.
Speaker 3: Not wholesale, but in some way they're fulfilling a little space.
Speaker 3: Now they're like our team. That's our team. E Wu theory,
Speaker 3: all the rest of that stuff, and anybody who comes
Speaker 3: up with some random theory that could have just been
Speaker 3: there is going to get it. I wrote a piece
Speaker 3: on high strangeness one of the newspapers year. It is
Speaker 3: about a year ago, and inadvertently, how newspapers are, they
Speaker 3: named another author's book in it. I didn't comment on
Speaker 3: the book, but they just wrapped it in basically. So
Speaker 3: that's how it came out. And I've got a message
Speaker 3: from them saying, I'm going to guess you've never had
Speaker 3: an experience with the UFO or Big four? Am I right?
Speaker 3: Shout the hell up kind of thing. You know, you've
Speaker 3: got no where to speak, and I thought I've got
Speaker 3: everywhere to speak more than you because I've got no
Speaker 3: skin in the game, never seen anything. I've never seen
Speaker 3: any definitive evidence of proof. That means I'm still open
Speaker 3: to all the possibilities. You're a noah. We can't even
Speaker 3: trust a single thing you say. Now you're a believer
Speaker 3: not to be honorable, and I love this. I've got
Speaker 3: the book in question, but the way so it's disappointed
Speaker 3: to it inadvertently slated it because it was anyway. That's
Speaker 3: their story but yeah, you're a believer, You're a Noah.
Speaker 3: You're part of that denomination, this denomination and all the
Speaker 3: way through. And that's why what we all fight saying
Speaker 3: ins with MESSI and everything, we really fight like it.
Speaker 3: All believe depend upon it. And that's I think that's
Speaker 3: an area that definitely warrants at with investigation.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about something else that's come
Speaker 1: up over and over again. And I know it's completely subjective,
Speaker 1: nobody knows. I think there are people who are trying
Speaker 1: to put together some data that I've spoken to, at
Speaker 1: least in their areas. These people that are going out
Speaker 1: to the same areas over and over year every year,
Speaker 1: they're starting to compile some data and really look at
Speaker 1: seasonal behavior. People will flippantly say to me, I don't
Speaker 1: think these things live there. I just think they were
Speaker 1: passing through those kind of things. But I've had plenty
Speaker 1: of conversations with people in the past about whether sasquatch migrate,
Speaker 1: or whether they're more active seasonally, those kind of things.
Speaker 1: Are you finding anything in your research or any of
Speaker 1: the things that people are telling and sharing experiences that
Speaker 1: would point to the fact that their's seasonal behavior or
Speaker 1: even migratory behavior in that area or maybe even in
Speaker 1: North America that you're aware of.
Speaker 3: In North America, it would make sense if they're following
Speaker 3: the elk, caribou or if it if that makes sense,
Speaker 3: what are they following. Maybe they're following the salmon people.
Speaker 3: You know, in the UK, there's nothing for them to
Speaker 3: follow there. There's thirty three million sheep in the UK,
Speaker 3: ten million with the murron whales, and there's game birds
Speaker 3: and grouse and forty million rabbits everywhere for a predator
Speaker 3: because there aren't no big predators, or for them perhaps
Speaker 3: the big cats who may may not be here. This
Speaker 3: is just it's as a smalkest board. It's a buffet.
Speaker 3: You probably don't really even need to get your hunt on.
Speaker 3: Just don't grab something and take it back to the pantry.
Speaker 3: In North America, I would imagine, and the colder parts Canada, Washington,
Speaker 3: places like that. That. Yeah, perhaps they are following food sources.
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be. Nobody would be in
Speaker 3: air for them. Perhaps monitoring some of the movements of
Speaker 3: the al cariboy set tron and seeing where they go
Speaker 3: to and if anything's following.
Speaker 1: This is something else that's come up over and over.
Speaker 1: I've had such a ride in my big Foot journey,
Speaker 1: and I too, like you, I'm very skeptical. I will
Speaker 1: always remain skeptical. There are things that have happened to
Speaker 1: me recently that have moved the needle for me from
Speaker 1: skeptical hopeful that these things are real to the fact
Speaker 1: that I believe that they exist. So we'll leave that
Speaker 1: where it is, but let's talk about this once. I
Speaker 1: got to that point very recently. Honestly, I think the
Speaker 1: next progression for me was my mind just started turning
Speaker 1: as to what these things are.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 1: We've had those kind of conversations in the past with people.
Speaker 1: There are other podcasts out there who ask everybody who
Speaker 1: comes on, what do you think these things are? I
Speaker 1: was never really there, but I am now, So I'm
Speaker 1: starting to rack my brain and try to And I've
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this in my book. Matt
Speaker 1: Prewitt wrote a beautiful book, The Phenomenal Sasquatch. If you
Speaker 1: never read Matt's book, you guys need to write it.
Speaker 1: It's a great book. Matt is in the Gigantopithecus camp
Speaker 1: for many great reasons that he articulates beautifully in the
Speaker 1: book the way only Matt Prewitt can do it. Many
Speaker 1: need to look up some words reading the book.
Speaker 3: I love Matt's work, I really do.
Speaker 1: It talks about Gigantopithecus, which I was never there until
Speaker 1: I started talking to Mat about it and reading his book.
Speaker 1: You talk about Neanderthals and some of the other possibilities
Speaker 1: for sasquatch. Where are you on what these things are?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's some kind of a leftover relic
Speaker 1: tomanoid of some sort. Do you think there's something altogether different?
Speaker 1: Do you think they're a hybrid subjective? Obviously we know
Speaker 1: this is your opinion, But what is your opinion on that?
Speaker 1: And what could these things possibly be should they exist
Speaker 1: in North America or the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. For the longest time I've been on
Speaker 3: Matt's page, Actually, do I get to Bithicus what the
Speaker 3: differences are for the European world? Man Neandertal isn't actually
Speaker 3: a great match anymore because we know a lot more
Speaker 3: about it tools than really if we were to meet
Speaker 3: one out in the street in the suit, clean shave
Speaker 3: and we were looking at little the difference between them
Speaker 3: and somebody else off Cowridge, if they really had, if
Speaker 3: it really looks so prominent, I don't really know. I
Speaker 3: talked to a lot of people these days are actually
Speaker 3: come over to the It started with the dog Man's saying,
Speaker 3: now it seems to be infecting this sasquatch about the
Speaker 3: hairy humanoid side of things, to really believe that they're demonic.
Speaker 3: More and more people I talked to hid and AP
Speaker 3: researchers like I think it seems to demonic. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if that's true. I wonder if because man is
Speaker 3: so clever, so smart to be able to find almost everything,
Speaker 3: it seems in the world. It it's almost a bit
Speaker 3: like they get out of jail free card. Oh you
Speaker 3: know atals because the Prince disappeared, I couldn't track it.
Speaker 3: Demonic because I just can't find the same can't explain
Speaker 3: that there could be a big foot in the woods
Speaker 3: behind my backyard. And yeah, I've never caught a trail,
Speaker 3: can never managed to even get the slightest of evidence.
Speaker 3: And yet I might have seen the animal from a distance.
Speaker 3: Whatever the thing is, it's almost insulting to are you
Speaker 3: an intelligence that we can't find them? The ultimate intelligence
Speaker 3: of all animals, or this pallet, and yet the thing
Speaker 3: seems that are's smartest all the time. I still think
Speaker 3: it's hipnate some kind. But I do believe there is
Speaker 3: a caveat to them, because it's been spread across nearly
Speaker 3: all of the continents of Antarctica. You have things like
Speaker 3: the Yeerin, like the Yawi, like the al Nasty and
Speaker 3: the Almus of Moengovia. You even have wild men and
Speaker 3: the little wild mend Gharian and Africa and other places.
Speaker 3: Their anger down. All these things in Asia as well
Speaker 3: as our doctor were Sasquatch and all of its cousins.
Speaker 3: Clearly some form of hit mate either exists or some
Speaker 3: ancient folklore has managed to spread around the world to
Speaker 3: disseminate this similar idea of haroy wild men inhabiting our forests.
Speaker 3: And these are cultures that have been disparate and cut
Speaker 3: off for thousands and thousands of years. If you believe,
Speaker 3: then be the way a story which as a religious
Speaker 3: pist I do. Let's say, okay, Hamshem and Jeffs got
Speaker 3: off the boat with their wives and had a bunch
Speaker 3: of kids and spread out and filled the earth. It's
Speaker 3: still got to go from that point or the Babylon
Speaker 3: if you want, the Baby point to the Earth, and
Speaker 3: everybody's going to keep the same imagery tws, thousands and thousands.
Speaker 3: This just it's statistically impossible. You just couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: That does imply there is some sort of a known ape,
Speaker 3: a known humanoid living out there around the world that's
Speaker 3: been mixed into our folklore over many millennia. They become
Speaker 3: almost like a supernatural or folklorate preacher. But I think
Speaker 3: something that did exist.
Speaker 1: Tell us about the show that you're involved in. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about all the books where people can find the show,
Speaker 1: where people can get the books, and the work that
Speaker 1: you're currently involved in.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm currently the presenter for a series called
Speaker 3: Weird Britain that's on Sky History. Serious won will be
Speaker 3: returning in October. We're just finishing off series two now,
Speaker 3: which should be and next May. I believe it's a weird,
Speaker 3: wild and wonderful mysteries history is focal and fables of
Speaker 3: the British Isles. It's wonderful. So it's not there are
Speaker 3: some cryptos in it. That's not really about cryptos and everything.
Speaker 3: It's Stonehenge, It's Lockedness, It's the Witches, Tinta, It's King Arthur,
Speaker 3: and everything small and sometimes unknown in between, ghost hunting
Speaker 3: a whole nine yards. Everything is that we meet with
Speaker 3: the individuals who are into this or obsessed with these legends,
Speaker 3: all the experts, and we dig deep into and just
Speaker 3: get their point of view. We even went to b
Speaker 3: Leskin House to look at Astera Crowley. We organized that
Speaker 3: biggest expedition for mess last year with our good friend
Speaker 3: Alan McKenna in Lockness, who's leading a great work. There
Speaker 3: were ne doing fantastic work and filmed it drown up
Speaker 3: at a sub in and everything we've recently and I
Speaker 3: am a bit of a spoiler, got to see one
Speaker 3: and they'll be more. Explanation of the series comes out
Speaker 3: of the Holy Grails that's been dated to two thousand
Speaker 3: years ago in Palestine, from research of Graham Phillips, who
Speaker 3: wrote that book The Greenstone and has discovered many Indiana
Speaker 3: Jones like traitres around the world. So it's fully immersed
Speaker 3: into all of the history's mysteries of this country, which
Speaker 3: there are many, seems to be an am endless supply
Speaker 3: are things to go and look at their up to
Speaker 3: a recent point, most of which I've never even heard of,
Speaker 3: so I'm enjoying it. We've driven about twenty four thousand
Speaker 3: miles since last April twenty twenty three. That's just in
Speaker 3: this country, so more to come of that. Regarding the books,
Speaker 3: there's Pieces of Britain Hairy Humanoids under the Beasts of
Speaker 3: the World collection, which you can get online. I have
Speaker 3: two new books coming out in about two weeks. There
Speaker 3: are kids' guides to Yeti and NeSSI. That's a really
Speaker 3: fund They're only about seventy seven pages each. They're attractive
Speaker 3: and you can get them and look at this famous science,
Speaker 3: look at the histories and everything that went into these
Speaker 3: late and also start your investigations.
Speaker 1: Excellent stuff. As always, I will link to that stuff
Speaker 1: in the show notes for you guys to make it
Speaker 1: easy to find. Andy. Thanks so much, man, it's always
Speaker 1: a pleasure and an honor to have you on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you for letting me go on. It's exciting. A
Speaker 3: love the subject.
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