WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence and they would dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.400 enough out here when I'm new to one down now 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:08.800 and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.759 hit the boddy out here? What quent on out there? 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.639 I've thought of a ventures about text nine. I don't know. 37 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.240 Easy ann ount there. Yeah, I'm walking right heady. 38 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:21.120 I want to welcome our guests back to the show. 39 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.319 It is Andy McGrath, friend of the show and a 40 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:27.879 fellow author on Hanger One Publishing. Welcome back to the 41 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:28.879 show man. How are you? 42 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.120 I am very good and I'm even here to be 43 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:34.319 here with you today. We had a great chat. What 44 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:36.319 was eager to talk crpteds. 45 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.439 I have been looking forward to this conversation. We're doing 46 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:42.400 a little series and highlighting some of the authors over 47 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.199 on Hanger One Publishing. My book was published over there 48 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.360 in March of this year. I've been stoked about that. 49 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:49.520 I've talked to other authors and had a great time 50 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:51.400 talking about cryptids and all kinds of things that I 51 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.599 normally wouldn't talk to people about. I interviewed a lady 52 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:57.080 the other day who had written a fiction book that 53 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.240 was loosely based on some facts around the Yazzi ratlines 54 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:04.639 and the exodus from some of the Nazi folks from 55 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.800 World War Two. Very interesting conversation. I didn't think I 56 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.080 would have a conversation about that on a Bigfoot podcast. 57 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.000 But you never know what the world is going to 58 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:13.800 present to you. I know we're going to get into 59 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.240 some cryptid stuff and talk about Bigfoot with you, because 60 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:18.759 that's what you do, that is your thing. Let's get 61 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.039 right into some of the questions I have about the book. 62 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:22.919 I was over there in the United Kingdom a little 63 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.360 while ago, a couple of months back and looking into 64 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:27.520 Bigfoot and got to go out into the woods. I'm 65 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:32.719 always fascinated with the prospect of there being a bigfoot creature, 66 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:36.840 a sasquatch creature, some sort of upright big giant harry 67 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.800 walking creature in the woods anywhere, but particularly in the 68 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.560 United Kingdom. So let's talk a little bit about that. 69 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.000 What was the impetus for you looking into that? Was 70 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.960 it just the reports that people were putting out there 71 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.400 that got you interested in the subject of bigfoot in 72 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:52.479 the United Kingdom? 73 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.800 It was that I wasn't interested in or even a 74 00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:00.560 where big United Kingdom at all. I was a big 75 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:04.039 nassy fan and I love cryptology around the world. I 76 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.360 was actually yet it was probably my favorite hairy humoroid 77 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.400 that was out there. When I started writing the first 78 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.879 version of Beasts of Britain in twenty seventeen, I started researching. Okay, 79 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:19.040 here's my challenge. I have to find other cryptid like 80 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:22.360 stories in the UK. And suddenly I came up on 81 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:26.160 this cash as this community, even the bigfoot researchers saying 82 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.160 there is a big Foot in the UK, and that 83 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:33.839 sounds pretty insane. It's only a small island, it's a 84 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.319 closed system, after all, how could there possibly be room 85 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:41.120 for something like this to survive and thrive in the UK. 86 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.399 I found a few prominent researchers at the time I 87 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.160 made maps and other things in the probably citing saying, yeah, 88 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:53.439 people are reporting something even in the present. I thought, 89 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.639 that's tint impossible. Let's look into this. Sure enough, I 90 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:00.800 did read lots of compelling reports and mets for people 91 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.319 who seemed to be very legitimate, one of whom was 92 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.439 a primate keeping factor who said they had seen something 93 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.879 resembling at Bigfoot in the UK. I thought, okay, I'm 94 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:12.680 going to take a deep dive into this. I've got 95 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:16.720 to look into not only the reports, but the history 96 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.560 of these kinds of sightings in the UK, something that 97 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.279 could be perhaps even related to them, going back to 98 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.680 the ancient period or the medieval period, and see if 99 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.240 it's possible that something like that could survive here and detected. 100 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:32.680 Talk a little bit about some of those encounter stories 101 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.040 that people had shared with you, any that stuck out 102 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.800 to you for whatever reason that people have shared over 103 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.439 there about a big Foot like creature in the United Kingdom. 104 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.319 There's two I repeat a lot, and apologies to anybody 105 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.600 who's heared me tell these before. The two are what 106 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.560 I call the ape Man of ebitt Abinethie Forest, and 107 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.800 the other one is the Box Egg Box alg is 108 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.839 one of my favorites because Box Hill in Surrey is 109 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.240 a place very close to where I live, not far 110 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.000 from me, so that's something that seems even more probable 111 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.800 well because of that, but I love that story. The 112 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.800 first one the ape Man of Avenfi Forest. This is 113 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:10.600 in Abenfi Forest in Strasbabe in Scotland, which is actually 114 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.040 not too far from lochdest or that general area in 115 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.759 the Scottish Highlands. This was given to me by a 116 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.439 primate keeper of thirty seven years who was then retired. 117 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.639 He'd gone wild camping in Scotland with his brother. Now 118 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.759 basically most of the UK you can't just camp out 119 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.920 anywhere in people's land, but Scotland it's legal. You can't 120 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.279 just go and camp on land in the woods somewhere 121 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:37.600 and spend a week there without permission from anybody. They'd 122 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:39.160 gone there anyway, and they used to do this every 123 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.600 year they'd gone to camp. This is August twenty twelve. 124 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:44.399 I believe they'd taken some light arms with them, so 125 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.800 these were sort of air rifles things they could shoot 126 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.959 rabbits with. To catch their dinner. They'd spot in the field, 127 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:51.920 but they thought there would be some nice rabbits, and 128 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:55.040 they'd gone out early in the morning to shoot some 129 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.360 of them. They were creeping through the field and maybe 130 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.439 about four am the light was up some Suddenly the 131 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.360 main guy al his name was, He can't hear is 132 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.800 rather behind him. He turns to look at him and 133 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.079 just sees him standing in their slack. Door of maths 134 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.199 open and he's surprised and looks forward and sees a big, black, 135 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:18.279 hairy shape. It's looking like it's lean over black people bush, 136 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:21.279 almost like it's eating. It's got its back to them. He's, oh, 137 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.480 what is this? It's just a what is this thing? 138 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.519 Not talk chap. He was about five for two, this guy, 139 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:30.600 he said, it was about that height, bent over. Suddenly 140 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.560 it cocks its head to the side and stands up. 141 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.639 He almost ate feetall and turns and looks at them. Now. 142 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.360 He says what he saw as a primate keeper was simin. 143 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.040 It wasn't some kind of human, and looked to him 144 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.639 something like a cross between a gorilla in its body, 145 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:52.319 but with long legs, long manlike legs, but very thick 146 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:56.680 and muscular, with a face like almost like an older 147 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.399 banobo chimp. Pink lip was sticking out, had a muzzle 148 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.600 that was very flat and it was a little bolding 149 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:05.279 on top, and he said. They stood then and looked 150 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:08.839 at him for a few seconds, and then just turned 151 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.480 and walked off into the woods, briefly looking back to 152 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.120 check where they were. And even when he saw it, 153 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.319 he just dropped his rifle to the ground straight away, 154 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.240 lowered in. He was shocked. They turned around to say 155 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:23.360 to his bid, my goodness, what was that to see 156 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:26.600 he'd gone his scarp and he'd run off. He headed 157 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.920 back to where they were camped to find his brother 158 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.399 quickly putting all of their camping gear back in the 159 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:34.720 car and saying that that's it, we're going. And he 160 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:38.159 wanted to be a primate keeper. Watched the going search. Well, 161 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.440 this huge creature they'd just seen, but that was it. 162 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.960 He was hooked. From that moment on. He was walked 163 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.840 looking into big food sightings, going around the country, talking 164 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.240 to other people, sharing those results. At me, it's got 165 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:53.679 the best provenance to it. I could trace the zeal 166 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.840 with this person. I know what his name is, but 167 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.000 I know he's an expert in the area of primates. 168 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.679 So that's one of my favorite all time British bigfood sightings. 169 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:05.200 Where was the other one you mentioned? 170 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.759 The Box Hill, the box Hill Ape, now that one. 171 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.200 So I live just over the border in Surrey, You're 172 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.159 not far from London. Box Hill is a place on 173 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.919 the North Downs and it's a beautiful area just said, 174 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.240 at the top of the North Downs, which is a 175 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.000 huge forested area that runs almost all the way down 176 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:25.399 to the coast, to the south coast. I often go 177 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:28.519 there myself and this is place called the Stairs or 178 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.919 the stepping Stone. So you cross these little stepping stones 179 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.320 across the river after you get off the train and 180 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.879 it's all countryfied, and then you head up this hill, 181 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.799 this hills about thinking about seven eight hundred feet elevation. 182 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.559 He's got these earthen steps surrounded by forests that are 183 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.919 encased in wood. People often walk up there and crazy 184 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.279 people run up there to keep fit. And it was 185 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.799 one summer evening again twenty twelve, which seems to have 186 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.559 been a very good year for bigwood sightings. A runner 187 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.679 it's running the steps. They get near to the bottom, 188 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.919 that's say forty feet from the bottom, and decide they're 189 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.279 going to have a little rest. It's late evening, it's summer, 190 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:07.480 and they're sitting down and having their energy drinking. There's 191 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.159 been about twenty minutes perhaps since they've sat down. Nobody's around, 192 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.879 and suddenly they can hear somebody coming down the steps. 193 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.000 They think, oh, I better move to the side, because 194 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.240 probably some of these dog walkers are often frequent series. 195 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.480 It is coming down the steps. I'll move to the side. 196 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.360 The steps stop, they don't hear anything. They turn around 197 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.320 to think runs this about ten meters back to the 198 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.440 right hand side of the steps, they see what they 199 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.919 describe as a sort of an ape, so with the 200 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:36.000 brown of patches of gray and then the human like 201 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:39.399 face with the flat nose, the big jaw, looking at 202 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.360 a proportion to the head. So the head was domed 203 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:45.360 at the top, but there's still on two legs. It 204 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:49.480 wasn't a plastic abors we think one. It's still on 205 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.279 two legs. It was straight, but it was slightly sort 206 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.360 of slumped over with lott arms. The arms were long 207 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.559 in proportion to the body and very solidly thick built animal. 208 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.159 The goodness looked at this frightening animal six foot plus 209 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.120 maybe a bit taller. It was just staring at them 210 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.559 for thirty seconds. So it turned around and walked off 211 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:14.480 while still watching the witness. Very significantly. After it walk off, 212 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:16.879 this witness, who had no skin in the game just 213 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.440 know anything about Bigfoot, said, gives smell, a stale farm 214 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.960 animal type of smell lingered. Before they seemed the creature, 215 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.000 they had observed or noticed a sort of a banging 216 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:30.919 or knocking sound, like wood on wood in the woods, 217 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.879 which is a very significant fact as well, Nathal. Perhaps 218 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:37.039 maybe people working or forestry work is out there in 219 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.519 the woods cutting or banging or doing something clearing a forest. 220 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.200 It was a big Foot like creature that's also been 221 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:47.399 seen in the same area by several motorists driving up 222 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.279 what they call the zig zags which send the hill 223 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.679 to the top of Box Hill. Again, I said, this 224 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.360 is a popular tourist area. People walk and hike and 225 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.320 ride there all the time. It does a butt the 226 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.559 nose down in the disc go all the way down 227 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.320 to the coast. In that we are almost unbroken rural landscape. 228 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:09.159 So that's my number two favorite, or maybe number one 229 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.279 because it's close, but it's the best time can think 230 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:12.000 of it. 231 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.559 It's interesting to me, and this is one of the 232 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.000 things that I love talking to different people across the 233 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.039 country and certainly around the world, is the physical descriptions 234 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:21.759 of these creatures. You talk a lot about that in 235 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.360 your book. You talk about different creatures in the book, 236 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.240 different cryptids. But when you're talking about like the Woodwoes 237 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:32.360 compared to the North American sasquatch and these reports of 238 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.159 physical descriptions, what have you seen over the years as 239 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.720 far as the difference is, because there's so many differences 240 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:40.360 that you hear just over here. You talk about the 241 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:44.360 Florida skunk Ape and some of the really different experiences 242 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.840 people have, and then the physical descriptions of these things 243 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.799 vary greatly from say the Pacific Northwest. How are you 244 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.600 seeing the differences maybe in different regions over there in 245 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.879 the United Kingdom obviously compared to what we hear the 246 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:02.240 majority of the time, the classic, if you will, descriptions 247 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:04.480 physically of these creatures over here in North America. 248 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.720 I did at another book Compavery Humoroids. It's but at 249 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.360 least the World series, particularly one volume so far, did 250 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.639 I've talked about these kinds of things, And it wasn't 251 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.279 an original idea I had it was I learned it 252 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.080 from reading Jeff Melbourne's work. Oh, there's the man a type, 253 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.759 there's the wildmand type one was in the anddertoloid type. 254 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.440 There's the ape type like a relic eight type as well, 255 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.200 and the little type. I thought, could this be possible? 256 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.799 Could this be real that they're all different types? Or 257 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.080 are we looking at different descriptions of the same kind 258 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:39.759 of creature from different peoples in different areas around the world. 259 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.960 I concluded, No, Actually, they do seem to be at 260 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.039 least a variation species, if nothing else. So that man 261 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.559 a type does seem to be very different to something 262 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.639 like the Florida skunkin which again seems a little more 263 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:59.000 similar to something like the yetti in the description atleast 264 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.519 anyway than it to the sasquatch, even in the way 265 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:08.240 it's for motion. It seems to resort to quadrupedal locomotion 266 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:11.799 quite often as well. You see that the bigfoot sasquatch 267 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.519 always seems to be mostly in most accounts anyway, an 268 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.399 upright creature that has that difference. Better people than I 269 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.399 would also talk about foot morphology as well, are not 270 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.159 really qualified to discuss that. But you notice the difference 271 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.759 perhaps between the footprint of the sasquatch compared to the 272 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:32.720 yeddy what we believe is the heavy footprint anyway, then 273 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.360 as to something like the iron pendet, a veritable little 274 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:40.480 foot in Indonesia, probably the only un discovered blindly to 275 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.440 be discovered within the century, at least, it seems to 276 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:48.559 be something that's pretty closely all half this difference or flogy, 277 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.360 we still seem to be looking at the same kind 278 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.480 of species. And after wondering, is this the difference between 279 00:14:55.120 --> 00:15:00.480 polar bears, brown bears, black bears, some bears, pandas, is 280 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:02.840 that the kind of difference we're looking at? They are all, 281 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:07.080 in facticate bears. To any outside us looking in, you'd say, yeah, 282 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.759 they are all bears at vary in different times. 283 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.679 Stay tuned for more Sasquatch odyssey. We'll be right back 284 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:16.879 after these messages. 285 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.440 Could that be the variation we're talking about or they 286 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.879 completely unrelated? Species? Doesn't actually seem very liked you to, 287 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:29.039 so yeah. 288 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:30.759 I definitely agree with that. One of the things that 289 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.399 came up while I was over in the United Kingdom. 290 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.120 I wasn't expecting to see as much as a divide 291 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.360 I guess divide would be a good way to put it. 292 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.360 In the research in the United Kingdom into Bigfoot that 293 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.240 I experienced while I was there versus here in North America. 294 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:48.919 I was over there in the Bridgewater area speaking at 295 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:51.799 a conference earlier this summer, and I was on a 296 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.440 panel with a couple of other researchers that were native 297 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.600 to the United Kingdom, and one of the first things 298 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.720 out of one of the guy's mouth was, Bigfoot doesn't 299 00:15:58.720 --> 00:15:59.919 exist in the United Kingdom. 300 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.200 It's the being Richard Freeman exactly. 301 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.720 And he said that, I think more along along the 302 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.159 lines of and this is something I want to get 303 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.440 into with you. There seemed to be this belief that 304 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.320 there was more of an inter dimensional I guess we'd 305 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.840 call it a high strangeness aspect of these creatures, because 306 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.360 one of the things that came up is in one 307 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:23.440 of the things I know that we probably talked about 308 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.200 in the past, how do these creatures remain hidden For 309 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:28.559 the most part. Obviously they're not completely hidden, because we're 310 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:31.960 talking about sightings, and this entire podcast is based on 311 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.480 people having encounters with these things. But how is it 312 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.960 that they do remain hidden in such a densely populated 313 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.000 area in some cases. And one thing I found that 314 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.960 is more for me and evolved over the years of 315 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.120 doing this podcast and talking to many researchers and many 316 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.720 people who have had encounters over the years, is the 317 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.600 fact that there seems to be this feeling. At least 318 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.360 when I came into this, I thought these things had 319 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:56.039 to be twenty miles deep in the woods for you 320 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:58.480 to have some sort of encounter. But the more I've 321 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:00.519 talked to people, it's very much like you said, there's 322 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.799 dog walkers in the area. It's more of an edge 323 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.039 of where people have moved into these areas that would 324 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.400 be forested areas, and they create this edge along the 325 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.759 forest over here and then the people side over here. 326 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.880 But that seems to be where these things are congregating, 327 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.680 and that's where you're having these encounters and these experiences. 328 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:21.720 I know that was a lie, so I'll simplify the question. 329 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.079 Well, I understand the question, and I think there's a 330 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.519 few points in that basically, and to say that something 331 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:32.319 improbable doesn't exist, but that what people are seeing is 332 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:37.880 some sort of like inter dimensional portal hopping being involved 333 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.680 in the areas of high strange lists it's a funny 334 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.039 thing to substitute it with. It's almost like here one 335 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.400 research I come up. It was years ago. There was 336 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.599 some weird terror sword like sightings I included in my 337 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.759 book Visa Britain that were in the UK, and I 338 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:55.640 looked at the whitness sightings that spot that witnesses. I said, Okay, 339 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.559 whether they're real or they're not, obviously it's most likely 340 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.079 that they're not. But when they are, these people are 341 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.319 convinced that they're find presenting their sightings as genuine sightings 342 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.200 because they are genuine in their reports and will investigate 343 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.640 the red flags that could be misinterpretational with it. But 344 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.240 something actually said that they believed that these reports were 345 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.240 ghosts of dinosaurs. That to me is a funny thing 346 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:23.000 to submit as a more plausible alternative to prehistoric survivors 347 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:28.119 or undiscovered animals living in the closed system of the UK, 348 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.200 but still a large island or a tiny place with 349 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.359 lots of available space. That was a weird thing to me. 350 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:37.960 I'd rather go with mis interpretation, or let's say something 351 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:42.519 like sociocultural inherited memory. For example, when you go to 352 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:47.160 Latin America, South America and the Philippines, in Spain and Portugal, 353 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.839 they all have tales of the Dwendy, the little dwarf 354 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.319 like creature. Don't they really believe that the conquistadors and 355 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.799 the Spanish colonists brought these little Dwendys to all the 356 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.359 places they inhabited. They don't go any further than the 357 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.440 bottom of Texas, right, But doesn't make it any sense. Clearly, 358 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:05.599 this is a colonial transplant that's either acting as a 359 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:09.680 descriptive for things people are seeing or they believe they're 360 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:13.599 seen and because it's in their cultural inherited memory of 361 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:16.119 the possibilities as things that can be. And it's the 362 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.759 same in North America where you have things like the 363 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.680 wild Sasquatch that's not too dissimilar to the wildland or 364 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:25.680 so that's really the wisp when that's where walls and 365 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:31.279 there are European descriptors, if not European colonial transplant to 366 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.519 our ancestors and the way they perceive these things. And 367 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:39.000 it's strange that you can see boundaries, crypted boundaries all 368 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.279 the around world based upon the primary culture of the 369 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.880 dominant culture that has been present in our country. That 370 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.359 really stuck with me. It really starts changing the way 371 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.279 I thought about these things saying, okay, is this something 372 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.519 in us that describes things a certain way or is 373 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.480 even prone to seeing things like in areas of high 374 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:03.119 strangeness culturally expect them to be there. One of the 375 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.559 things that stands out is when more Kazuma's men see 376 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.119 Cortez arriving to the Americas in the ships, they describe 377 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:14.119 the ships as floating mountains. Anybody who's seen the ship 378 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.440 doesn't think it's a mountain, But that's the only thing 379 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.440 they had available in their minds to describe it. But 380 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.240 one thing, sorry I would say, just to finish that 381 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.559 as well, in relations to space available places to hide 382 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.359 in the UK, if they were actually real, if they 383 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.319 were actually cure, is that there was this great study 384 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:35.079 in twenty twelve undertaken by the UK National Ecosystem Assessment, 385 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.480 and they discovered the only six point eight percent of 386 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.680 the UK's land areas classified as urban when you go 387 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.640 to the primary countries that make up the UK as 388 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.839 ten point six percent for England or percent of Wales, 389 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:50.559 three point six percent of normal lives and only one 390 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.119 point nine percent ball of Scotland has urban sprawl, and 391 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.559 that includes motorways and rural settlements as well. So there's 392 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.279 a lot of space, as you saw from the train, 393 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.799 just that bit where there's nobody I know traveling in 394 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.759 the country. Sometimes wherever I'm filming or i'm out of 395 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.599 wood someone and some new investigation, there's just nobody. I 396 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:13.839 won't see anybody all day long. So the space is here, 397 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.960 the food is here. I'm not sure whether the creature 398 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:17.319 is here. 399 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.240 Air enough. One thing that's come out over and over. 400 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.119 I'm doing some editing today on an upcoming podcast that 401 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:25.319