WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.960 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.320 With Cliff and Bubo. 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:14.480 rain it. I'm stuck. 5 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:19.359 Me greatest gone. 6 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:24.879 Yesterday and listening watching Limb always keep its watching. 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:28.679 And now you're hosts Cliff. 8 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.440 Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 9 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:36.320 Greetings, Bobes, Matt, how you guys doing good? Awesome, pretty 10 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.840 excited day. We have a cool guest barely I have 11 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:42.320 barely begun to meet this gentleman. We're going to hop 12 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:43.719 right into we can catch up. I guess on the 13 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:46.000 members sing later or something. But so I got this 14 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:48.640 text a while ago from Shane Corson, our good friend 15 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.759 Shane Corson, saying, hey, Cliff, there's this dude. You should 16 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.759 meet him. He's a bigfooter. He's in the Fish. He 17 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:56.960 plays guitar. I was just talking the other day and 18 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.600 I'm thinking, what a perfect guest for Bigfoot and Beyond. 19 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:01.799 And so I say, all right, well whatever, I'll give 20 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.000 this guy call. I gave him a call, and sure 21 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:07.319 enough he's great gentleman named Larry Anderson. Hey Larry, how 22 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:08.159 you doing this evening? 23 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.480 I'm doing great? Thanks for having me on. I'm honored. 24 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:13.879 We are honored, of course, because it turns out you're 25 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:15.120 also a longtime listener. 26 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.120 So yeah, you guys have given me so many hours 27 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:22.680 of great entertainment between the podcast and the Finding Bigfoot 28 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.120 show that I hope I'm able to give something back here. 29 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:28.640 Well, I got something out of our conversation, so I'm 30 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.920 sure that our listeners are going to enjoy this one too. Well, Larry, 31 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:33.840 none of us. I didn't know you until a couple 32 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.519 of days ago. I don't think Bobo or Matt knows 33 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.560 you really. I think Matt, Matt you said you might 34 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:39.640 have met Larry at one point. 35 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.120 I'm pretty certain of it. Back when I was living 36 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:43.879 in Washington and out in the field there a lot 37 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.159 I've heard the name. 38 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:47.879 Well, yeah, as it turns out, Larry's been lurking around 39 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:50.000 the shadows of Bigfoot for kind of a long time. 40 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.239 But before we get into that, maybe we should introduce 41 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:55.519 him to our listeners in this sort of way, Larry, 42 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.400 introduce yourself like Larry Anderson, what do you do for money? 43 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:01.640 And and also you can circle back around and tell 44 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:03.959 is how you started this big Foot adventure of yours. 45 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:09.280 Sure you know I've always had two or three jobs, 46 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:11.879 it seems like, so I stayed pretty busy. Now. My 47 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:16.759 main occupation is a guitar instructor, and I do teach 48 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:19.080 a little bit of bass guitar and keyboards as well. 49 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:22.639 And I have a car detailing business that I do 50 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:26.039 off and on. I've been doing that since I was 51 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:30.240 twenty years old and I'm fifty seven now. And I 52 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:36.680 got into the whole Sasquatch subject when I was eight 53 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.759 or nine years old. My dad took me to see 54 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:42.960 a movie in downtown Mount Vernon. I was born and 55 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.360 raised in Mount Vernon, Washington. I still live here. And 56 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:49.639 he took me to see this movie in a theater 57 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:54.840 downtown and it was a Bigfoot movie. I've scoured YouTube 58 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.800 to try to find this documentary and I have not 59 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.159 been able to find it. All I can say is 60 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.560 it scared me pretty bad. And my dad a conversation 61 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.759 we had about fifteen years ago. I remember he told 62 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.159 me that I didn't sleep for two months after he 63 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:14.759 took me to see that. So my dad had worked 64 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:18.680 for the Scadget County Road Crew and had something happen 65 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:20.639 to him when he was up in a rock corry 66 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.479 way up in rural eastern Skadget County, and I guess 67 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:26.719 him and a couple of the guys were up there 68 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.520 having lunch in the corry and something back in the 69 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:33.599 woods just cut loose on him and started screaming at him. 70 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:38.120 And he always thought that that might have been a bigfoot. 71 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:41.120 So he wanted to go see that documentary and he 72 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:43.719 took me with him, and that sparked my interest. So 73 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:46.960 from there I started going down to the public library 74 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.240 and just I think the two books that they had 75 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.960 were both the John Green books, and I think they 76 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.199 probably spent half the time at my house, and then 77 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:56.919 i'd take them back and go down a month later 78 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.400 and check them out again. So I started reading bills 79 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:01.919 and I kind of took off on it. 80 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.159 So when did you transition from a kid in the 81 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:07.280 library to somebody who's doing stuff in the field. 82 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.599 Well, through high school, we used to hike into a 83 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.560 lake that was only about five miles from Mount Vernon, 84 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.839 but it was called Lake ten. It's still there, but 85 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.279 it's been bought by, believe it or not, a guy 86 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:25.000 named David Gates, who was the lead songwriter for the 87 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.800 band Bread from the nineteen seven. Before that, it was 88 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.639 owned by a real estate developer who luckily never did 89 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:34.720 anything with it. And he he actually gave me the 90 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.319 key after he bought it from the state. He gave 91 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:39.040 me the key to the gate so I could go 92 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.079 in there and steal fish and do my thing. But 93 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:44.800 through high school we used to go out there. It 94 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.040 was kind of our second home, and before we even 95 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.639 had driver's licenses, our parents. It usually ended up being 96 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.800 somebody's mom, but my granddad also took us up there 97 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.600 quite often, and they would just drop us off at 98 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.240 the trailhead and we would hike down into this lake 99 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:04.959 and spend the weekend and then meet them back up, 100 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.399 you know, Sunday they'd come and pick us up and 101 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.680 bring us home so he can go back to school. Now, 102 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.560 I guess this is back in the mid eighties, so 103 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:13.800 you could still do stuff like that with your kids. 104 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:19.480 And we had an encounter up there in the summer 105 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:23.680 of nineteen eighty five. After that happened a couple of 106 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.839 years later, in the local newspaper, they did an article 107 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:32.720 on John Andrews, and he a big, big, full page article, 108 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.160 and he had left his phone number and said if 109 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:38.600 anybody has any information or has had a sighting or 110 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:42.319 anything to call me. So I think there were seven 111 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:45.040 or eight of us who had had different encounters on 112 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.560 this mountain that Lake Ten is on, by the way, 113 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:53.600 is called Devil's Mountain, So this entire area is Devil's 114 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.079 Mountain and Lake Ten. It's just it's only as the 115 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.000 crow flies, about a mile and a half or two 116 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.959 miles from Interstate five. But once you got up there, 117 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.399 you felt like you were way in the back country 118 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:09.480 back then before they came in and built palases and everything. 119 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.800 So we all got together with John Andrews one night 120 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.079 in my friend's living room, and John and his wife 121 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.279 Linda came up to see us, and we kept him 122 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:22.480 pretty busy for about two hours, telling him about different 123 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:26.120 things that happened in this area back in the eighties 124 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.759 and early nineties. So then I went out with John 125 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:32.319 a couple of weeks after that, and we'd gone up 126 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.319 there to do some investigating, and that kind of kicked 127 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:41.560 off my serious or semi serious investigation and to Bigfoot. 128 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:44.279 And you've just been running with it ever since. 129 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:49.480 Yes, off and on, and I am up in the mountains, 130 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.759 especially from about April until October. It is rarely a 131 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.319 weekend that goes by that, I'm not up in the 132 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.240 mountains unless I have a band gig or something thing 133 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.720 like that that's keeping me home. I'm pretty much every 134 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:09.079 week I'm up in the cascades or the foothills doing something. 135 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:13.240 So even if I'm not up there researching Bigfoot activity 136 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.959 or something, it's usually I'm hiking into a lake to 137 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:20.079 go fishing, or mountain biking, or I've really got into 138 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.240 e biking the last couple of years. So you know, 139 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.959 I'm up there for various reasons, but I've always got 140 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:28.079 my eyes and ears open. 141 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.480 So John Andrews was kind of like the gateway for 142 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.279 you into a world of Bigfoot. And then I don't 143 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.040 think you could probably ask for a better gateway into 144 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.639 Bigfoot than John, just because he's been around the game 145 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.079 for so long and has met and knows so many people. 146 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:48.720 I know that on the phone you and I talked 147 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.800 about and you went to that conference in the late 148 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.360 nineties or something with John right, and you had the 149 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.519 chance to meet a fair number of people at that gig. 150 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.920 Yeah, that was very interesting. Yeah, Grover Krantz was there 151 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.360 or ready to hand in was there? Peter Burn, and 152 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.639 there was a guy named Colony lapseritis, who I'm sure 153 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.240 you've heard of. He was out in the hall. He 154 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.600 had a big he had a big a table set 155 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:15.040 up with all kinds of things to look at. 156 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:16.319 And what year was this? 157 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.040 I think that was nineteen ninety eight, Okay? 158 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:20.759 And where was this? 159 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:22.720 It was in Vancouver, BC. 160 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:26.639 Okay, Okay, Well would you remember about that because in 161 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.279 ninety eight, that was before this onslaught of Bigfoot conferences 162 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:32.720 that we're kind of dealing with now. 163 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.720 You know, it wasn't very well attended, especially for something 164 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:40.639 in the middle of Vancouver, BC. I mean, I went 165 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:45.000 to the Ocean Shores Sasquatch Summit in twenty sixteen. I 166 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.840 met you there briefly, Cliff, and it was nothing like 167 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.759 the twenty sixteen Sasquatch Summit, which I think there were 168 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.039 eight or nine hundred people. This one in Vancouver in 169 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.360 nineteen ninety eight. I think you would have been lucky 170 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:01.480 to have two hundred. With the big names there, I mean, 171 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.759 Grover Krantz and Rennie to Hindon. You know, I just 172 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.840 watched that movie the other night again after you and 173 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.279 I spoke, and I watched which movie is this the 174 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:13.039 I think it's called Sasquatch Odyssey, the one that Henry 175 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:17.559 Franzella yah, And I've watched it several times because John 176 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.600 Anders and I have a little cameo in it where 177 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:24.120 they're interviewing Rennie to hindon who was really wound up 178 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.600 at this thing? I mean he was. He was a 179 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.720 rabble rouser to say the least. And John and I 180 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.440 walked behind him on the camera. I think I was 181 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.240 eyeing the cookies on the table and they were interviewing him, 182 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.440 and I have to say he was fairly obnoxious to 183 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:41.480 say the least. 184 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.320 Well in what way? What did he do that made 185 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:45.320 you come to that conclusion? 186 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.919 Well, every time somebody got up to speak, he would 187 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.279 just right out in public. He would just start yelling 188 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:55.919 at him and badgering them and you know, arguing with him, 189 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.000 telling him basically flat out that they were full of bs. 190 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.519 And I think he did that to Grover Krantz too, 191 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:06.799 which is probably why when I came up to Grover 192 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:09.440 Krantz and introduced myself to him and tried to talk 193 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:11.759 to him, he was just he was in a very 194 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.360 foul mood. I don't think he wanted to talk to anybody, 195 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:19.799 and so I probably got to doctor Krantz after Rannie 196 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.960 de Hinden had had ruined his day. Is kind of 197 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.360 the feeling that I got, you know, I got to 198 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.320 give Grover credit. I might have just hit him at 199 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.639 a bad time. But when I when I tried to 200 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.080 talk to him, he had no interest in hearing about 201 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.120 another big foot encounter, which is what I wanted to 202 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:39.919 share with him. So that was unfortunate. But you know, 203 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:41.360 I can't control that. 204 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:43.960 And that was your only run in with Krantz, your 205 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:47.600 only opportunity to really connect with him. Yes, Okay, Now 206 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:49.639 did you speak to Renee when you were there, or 207 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.919 did you just, like, you know, stare at him agast 208 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:53.720 from a distance. 209 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.799 I don't remember speaking to him. I think he might have. 210 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.919 He might have intimidated me with his attitude. I think 211 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.759 I just kind of stayed away from him. I do 212 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.639 remember John and I commenting about how about his behavior? 213 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:09.799 I remember that much. 214 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:10.840 Yeah. 215 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:12.759 And then did you say Burne was there as well, Peter? 216 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.159 Yeah, and I don't think I talked to him very 217 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:16.879 much either. 218 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.559 At the conference. But did you have run into him later? 219 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:24.320 Yeah? I did. He had that I don't know what 220 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.600 he called it, bigfoot information Center or something down in Dallas, Oregon. 221 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:29.559 Yeah, the trailer next to Spooky's. 222 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.320 Is that what it was? Well, my father in law 223 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.279 used to live in White Salmon, and I knew about 224 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.799 Peter Burn being down in the Dallas. So when we 225 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.279 went to White sam and I called him and he 226 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.759 had a phone number where you could reach him, and 227 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:46.840 so I called him and he said he was there, 228 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.480 but he wasn't taking any visitors that day for whatever reason. 229 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.120 So I just spoke with him on the phone for 230 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.919 a while. He was very nice. I probably talked to 231 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.360 him for a half hour and told him where I 232 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:01.120 was from, and you know the encounters that I had 233 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.120 up to that time. And yeah, he was very receptive 234 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.159 and more than happy to talk with me, but he 235 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.679 just said he wasn't accepting any visitors. 236 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:12.679 Very good. Now, of course we've touched upon very briefly 237 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:15.960 some of your encounters I suppose with three of the 238 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.440 four you know, Renee, Grover and Peter. But John Green 239 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.679 was not at that event, but you actually ran across 240 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:24.919 him later and I thought this was a pretty amusing story. 241 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:26.279 Why don't you tell that to us? 242 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.000 Yeah, I think this was around it was twenty ten, 243 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.879 as I found it on my Facebook post. We had 244 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.600 a gift certificate to go to Harrison Hot Springs and 245 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:40.320 stay at one of the hotels up there for the 246 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.399 night and have dinner. And I'd never been there, and 247 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.559 so I couldn't wait to go. And it was kind 248 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.759 of during the off season. I think it was in November, 249 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:52.279 and so we drove up there and you know, did 250 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.320 the tourism thing and had a great dinner. And the 251 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.120 next day I wanted to go up to that up 252 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.759 to the Sasquatch Park, which is I believe on the 253 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.240 east side of Harrison Lake. You drive out of town, 254 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.559 it's not very far out of town, and so we 255 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.039 drove up to this lake that was I want to say, 256 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:14.840 at the most three or four miles out of Harrison 257 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:18.440 Hot Springs. And I know that this lake has had 258 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.559 a couple of big sightings, so I wanted to go 259 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:24.279 check out that lake. And we walked around through the 260 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.440 campsites looking for tracks. Of course, it was freezing outside, 261 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:31.279 so there's nobody there. And on our way back down 262 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.320 the road, there's this couple walking up the road and 263 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.840 I drove by him in my truck and I said 264 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.639 to my wife, that guy looks like John Green. And 265 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:43.919 then it just clicked with me that he lived in 266 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.600 Harrison Hot Springs or near there, and so I turned around, 267 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.639 drove back past him again and it was him. So 268 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:55.559 I stopped my truck up the road a little bit 269 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:57.480 from him and got out. I didn't want to be 270 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.759 confrontational or scar him, you know, he was with his wife. 271 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.240 And I asked him if he was John Green, and 272 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.639 introduced myself and I told him that I was a 273 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:09.360 friend of John Andrews. So that immediately, I think, took 274 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:12.559 his dard down because we had a mutual friend, you know. 275 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.879 And so we talked for a while, and I think 276 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.200 at first John Green's wife probably thought I was nuts, 277 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.360 you know, a fanboy stopping on the side of the 278 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:25.720 road to talk to him. And I think my wife 279 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.960 was back in my truck with a bag over her 280 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:34.360 head for a while. And so anyway, I had a book, 281 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.960 a big Foot book in my truck, and I thought 282 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.320 it was the Locals, but it wasn't because I looked 283 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.000 through that book. But I've got a huge library. I 284 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.799 don't remember whose book it was, but it wasn't one 285 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.600 of John Green's. But it had a picture of him 286 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.399 in it. So I found that picture and had John 287 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.559 autograph it, and I didn't take up too much of 288 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.440 his time, you know, maybe ten or fifteen minutes, and 289 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:58.399 that was it. I mean, it was really cold out 290 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.360 and I'm sure he didn't want to stop walking up 291 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.039 that hill to talk to me very long because it 292 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.960 was it was chilly. That was quite the lucky encounter. 293 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:11.320 Yeah, you're looking for you you go looking for a Bigfoot, 294 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.320 but you find the most one of the most famous 295 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:19.600 bigfooters ever. Right, that's pretty ironic. Stay tuned for more 296 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.639 Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right 297 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:23.879 back after these messages. 298 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:32.279 And I was really curious, Lay, because I know it's 299 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.279 been mentioned a couple of times that you'd had some 300 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.279 encounters up to that point that had prompted you to 301 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.559 want to reach out to some of these people to 302 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.759 discuss those. I'd love to hear about those. I'm sure 303 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:42.840 the audience would as well. 304 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:48.919 Great. I need to start this the Devil's Mountain. All 305 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.200 the counters that went around happened around Devil's Mountain in 306 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:57.919 Lake ten There is a legendary creature, most likely a Bigfoot, 307 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:03.759 but everybody calls it the monster. And from what I've gathered, 308 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:09.519 it's just not all bigfoot are black or brown hair. 309 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.879 This one's lighter hair, and it's a real dirty, lighter color. 310 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:19.320 And so the yellow monster is this Devil's Lake creature 311 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.399 that many many people have seen. And the first time 312 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.240 I heard about this was, like I said, a lot 313 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:31.279 of times, my friend's parents, especially the mothers, would give 314 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.519 us a ride up and drop us off at this trailhead. 315 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:37.559 And one of my friends John, his mom, when she 316 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.519 was giving us a ride up there, she said, oh, 317 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.600 this is where I was camping when I was in 318 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:44.799 high school. And we were in the rock corry up 319 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:48.279 above the lake. And we left our camp and came 320 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:52.480 back to camp and something had demolished our campsite and 321 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.360 it was still up in the woods, throwing rocks and 322 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.600 garbage down into our campsite. And she said, then we 323 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:05.160 saw it and it was a bigfoot. And we just said, yeah, nice, 324 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.119 trying to scare us, you know, trying to scare us 325 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:09.759 out of here, drop us off at the lake for 326 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:11.920 the night and give us a good horror story before 327 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.079 you leave. And we just kind of wrote it off. 328 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.240 And about a year later I was up there waiting 329 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:20.279 for my grandfather to come and pick me up. I 330 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:22.400 was up there by myself. All my other friends had 331 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.960 gone home early, and I wanted to stand fish longer. 332 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.599 So I was up there waiting for him, and a 333 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:30.880 guy drove up in a truck. He was an older 334 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:34.720 guy in his probably seventies or eighties, and he started 335 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:38.200 telling me. We had discussed the history of this area 336 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.720 for quite a while before he brought this up. He 337 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.160 started telling me he was deer hunting up there once 338 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.599 and also saw a bigfoot, and he said it was 339 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:51.319 kind of a bright, dirty white yellow color. And I said, well, 340 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:54.000 that's funny because my friend's mom told us about a 341 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.839 year ago that she saw one up here too, and 342 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.799 it tore their campsite apart and threw stuff at him. 343 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:02.759 He said, the one that he saw just walked out 344 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.000 of the woods and turn around and walk back into 345 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.240 the woods again. So that was the second story I heard. 346 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.720 And then between my junior and senior year in high school, 347 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.759 we were camped down and it was in the summer. 348 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.039 It was in August, and there were three of us, 349 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:22.480 and we used to camp up there, like I said, 350 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.079 in the summer, probably every other weekend for years and 351 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:29.960 never had anything happen. So we got pretty sloppy about 352 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.200 cleaning up our campsite at night. You know, we didn't 353 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.640 hang our food or anything because nothing ever happened. And 354 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.920 I had just left my fishing tackle out in my 355 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:43.440 backpack leaning up against the tree next to my tent. 356 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.240 And you know, none of us really cleaned up after 357 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.359 ourselves like you should, because, like I say, we were 358 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:53.079 just sloppy. And I was in a tent by myself 359 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.039 up above my two friends who were in a pretty 360 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.039 good size, like a four person tent, and I was 361 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.599 in a smaller pupp by myself, and something woke me 362 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.559 up about one o'clock in the morning, and it had 363 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.039 walked past my tent, and it was kind of squeaking. 364 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:14.079 It was just making some little chirping noises. And then 365 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.759 I heard something messing around with my backpack and a 366 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.839 couple cans that I had left out probably are empty 367 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:24.279 cans of spaghetti and meatballs or whatever we had for dinner. 368 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:29.039 So I yelled said, hey, if anything's out there, you know, 369 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.319 get out of here. And then my friends down in 370 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.279 the other tent they said, hey, what was that. I said, well, 371 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.680 I don't know, something walked past my tent was making 372 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:39.799 some weird noises, and then it was digging around in 373 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:44.720 my backpack. And so about five minutes passed and then 374 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:47.920 one of those cans went rolling down the hill past 375 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.960 my tent and into my friend's tent, and then whatever 376 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.160 was in my pack, it just all hell broke loose 377 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.960 and it just things went flying everywhere, and I just 378 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.400 figured it was a bear. Opened up my tent door, 379 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:04.799 and I had a twenty two rifle that I always 380 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.079 kept loaded, and I just pointed it up in the 381 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.480 air and shot about five times up in the tree 382 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:15.559 to hopefully scare whatever it was off. And that campsite 383 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.480 is very very dark and I couldn't see very well, 384 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.960 but there was this big black figure and it ran 385 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:27.119 off and past that campsite. There's a big swamp that 386 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.680 you have to hike through to get to the next campsite, 387 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.599 kind of around the corner on the lake. And when 388 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:35.759 this thing went through that swamp, it sounded like a 389 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:40.359 freight train was running through it. So I came flying 390 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:43.160 out of my tent and my two friends came out 391 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.160 of their tent, and we just had figured it was 392 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:49.880 a bear, and we immediately started a big fire, picked 393 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:52.759 up all our garbage, you know, cleaned up our camp 394 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.440 like we should have in the first place. And I 395 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.119 was not going to go sleep in my tent by 396 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.799 myself after that, so my friends had a tent. It 397 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:03.640 was plenty big enough for me. So I hauled my 398 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.319 sleep and bagged my sleep and pad down there. About 399 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:09.319 an hour later we started going back to sleep, and 400 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:11.920 something on the other side of that lake, which is 401 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:14.599