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Speaker 3: Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Greetings, Bobes, Matt, how you guys doing good? Awesome, pretty
Speaker 2: excited day. We have a cool guest barely I have
Speaker 2: barely begun to meet this gentleman. We're going to hop
Speaker 2: right into we can catch up. I guess on the
Speaker 2: members sing later or something. But so I got this
Speaker 2: text a while ago from Shane Corson, our good friend
Speaker 2: Shane Corson, saying, hey, Cliff, there's this dude. You should
Speaker 2: meet him. He's a bigfooter. He's in the Fish. He
Speaker 2: plays guitar. I was just talking the other day and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, what a perfect guest for Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 2: And so I say, all right, well whatever, I'll give
Speaker 2: this guy call. I gave him a call, and sure
Speaker 2: enough he's great gentleman named Larry Anderson. Hey Larry, how
Speaker 2: you doing this evening?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great? Thanks for having me on. I'm honored.
Speaker 2: We are honored, of course, because it turns out you're
Speaker 2: also a longtime listener.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you guys have given me so many hours
Speaker 3: of great entertainment between the podcast and the Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 3: show that I hope I'm able to give something back here.
Speaker 2: Well, I got something out of our conversation, so I'm
Speaker 2: sure that our listeners are going to enjoy this one too. Well, Larry,
Speaker 2: none of us. I didn't know you until a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago. I don't think Bobo or Matt knows
Speaker 2: you really. I think Matt, Matt you said you might
Speaker 2: have met Larry at one point.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty certain of it. Back when I was living
Speaker 1: in Washington and out in the field there a lot
Speaker 1: I've heard the name.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, as it turns out, Larry's been lurking around
Speaker 2: the shadows of Bigfoot for kind of a long time.
Speaker 2: But before we get into that, maybe we should introduce
Speaker 2: him to our listeners in this sort of way, Larry,
Speaker 2: introduce yourself like Larry Anderson, what do you do for money?
Speaker 2: And and also you can circle back around and tell
Speaker 2: is how you started this big Foot adventure of yours.
Speaker 3: Sure you know I've always had two or three jobs,
Speaker 3: it seems like, so I stayed pretty busy. Now. My
Speaker 3: main occupation is a guitar instructor, and I do teach
Speaker 3: a little bit of bass guitar and keyboards as well.
Speaker 3: And I have a car detailing business that I do
Speaker 3: off and on. I've been doing that since I was
Speaker 3: twenty years old and I'm fifty seven now. And I
Speaker 3: got into the whole Sasquatch subject when I was eight
Speaker 3: or nine years old. My dad took me to see
Speaker 3: a movie in downtown Mount Vernon. I was born and
Speaker 3: raised in Mount Vernon, Washington. I still live here. And
Speaker 3: he took me to see this movie in a theater
Speaker 3: downtown and it was a Bigfoot movie. I've scoured YouTube
Speaker 3: to try to find this documentary and I have not
Speaker 3: been able to find it. All I can say is
Speaker 3: it scared me pretty bad. And my dad a conversation
Speaker 3: we had about fifteen years ago. I remember he told
Speaker 3: me that I didn't sleep for two months after he
Speaker 3: took me to see that. So my dad had worked
Speaker 3: for the Scadget County Road Crew and had something happen
Speaker 3: to him when he was up in a rock corry
Speaker 3: way up in rural eastern Skadget County, and I guess
Speaker 3: him and a couple of the guys were up there
Speaker 3: having lunch in the corry and something back in the
Speaker 3: woods just cut loose on him and started screaming at him.
Speaker 3: And he always thought that that might have been a bigfoot.
Speaker 3: So he wanted to go see that documentary and he
Speaker 3: took me with him, and that sparked my interest. So
Speaker 3: from there I started going down to the public library
Speaker 3: and just I think the two books that they had
Speaker 3: were both the John Green books, and I think they
Speaker 3: probably spent half the time at my house, and then
Speaker 3: i'd take them back and go down a month later
Speaker 3: and check them out again. So I started reading bills
Speaker 3: and I kind of took off on it.
Speaker 2: So when did you transition from a kid in the
Speaker 2: library to somebody who's doing stuff in the field.
Speaker 3: Well, through high school, we used to hike into a
Speaker 3: lake that was only about five miles from Mount Vernon,
Speaker 3: but it was called Lake ten. It's still there, but
Speaker 3: it's been bought by, believe it or not, a guy
Speaker 3: named David Gates, who was the lead songwriter for the
Speaker 3: band Bread from the nineteen seven. Before that, it was
Speaker 3: owned by a real estate developer who luckily never did
Speaker 3: anything with it. And he he actually gave me the
Speaker 3: key after he bought it from the state. He gave
Speaker 3: me the key to the gate so I could go
Speaker 3: in there and steal fish and do my thing. But
Speaker 3: through high school we used to go out there. It
Speaker 3: was kind of our second home, and before we even
Speaker 3: had driver's licenses, our parents. It usually ended up being
Speaker 3: somebody's mom, but my granddad also took us up there
Speaker 3: quite often, and they would just drop us off at
Speaker 3: the trailhead and we would hike down into this lake
Speaker 3: and spend the weekend and then meet them back up,
Speaker 3: you know, Sunday they'd come and pick us up and
Speaker 3: bring us home so he can go back to school. Now,
Speaker 3: I guess this is back in the mid eighties, so
Speaker 3: you could still do stuff like that with your kids.
Speaker 3: And we had an encounter up there in the summer
Speaker 3: of nineteen eighty five. After that happened a couple of
Speaker 3: years later, in the local newspaper, they did an article
Speaker 3: on John Andrews, and he a big, big, full page article,
Speaker 3: and he had left his phone number and said if
Speaker 3: anybody has any information or has had a sighting or
Speaker 3: anything to call me. So I think there were seven
Speaker 3: or eight of us who had had different encounters on
Speaker 3: this mountain that Lake Ten is on, by the way,
Speaker 3: is called Devil's Mountain, So this entire area is Devil's
Speaker 3: Mountain and Lake Ten. It's just it's only as the
Speaker 3: crow flies, about a mile and a half or two
Speaker 3: miles from Interstate five. But once you got up there,
Speaker 3: you felt like you were way in the back country
Speaker 3: back then before they came in and built palases and everything.
Speaker 3: So we all got together with John Andrews one night
Speaker 3: in my friend's living room, and John and his wife
Speaker 3: Linda came up to see us, and we kept him
Speaker 3: pretty busy for about two hours, telling him about different
Speaker 3: things that happened in this area back in the eighties
Speaker 3: and early nineties. So then I went out with John
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks after that, and we'd gone up
Speaker 3: there to do some investigating, and that kind of kicked
Speaker 3: off my serious or semi serious investigation and to Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And you've just been running with it ever since.
Speaker 3: Yes, off and on, and I am up in the mountains,
Speaker 3: especially from about April until October. It is rarely a
Speaker 3: weekend that goes by that, I'm not up in the
Speaker 3: mountains unless I have a band gig or something thing
Speaker 3: like that that's keeping me home. I'm pretty much every
Speaker 3: week I'm up in the cascades or the foothills doing something.
Speaker 3: So even if I'm not up there researching Bigfoot activity
Speaker 3: or something, it's usually I'm hiking into a lake to
Speaker 3: go fishing, or mountain biking, or I've really got into
Speaker 3: e biking the last couple of years. So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm up there for various reasons, but I've always got
Speaker 3: my eyes and ears open.
Speaker 2: So John Andrews was kind of like the gateway for
Speaker 2: you into a world of Bigfoot. And then I don't
Speaker 2: think you could probably ask for a better gateway into
Speaker 2: Bigfoot than John, just because he's been around the game
Speaker 2: for so long and has met and knows so many people.
Speaker 2: I know that on the phone you and I talked
Speaker 2: about and you went to that conference in the late
Speaker 2: nineties or something with John right, and you had the
Speaker 2: chance to meet a fair number of people at that gig.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was very interesting. Yeah, Grover Krantz was there
Speaker 3: or ready to hand in was there? Peter Burn, and
Speaker 3: there was a guy named Colony lapseritis, who I'm sure
Speaker 3: you've heard of. He was out in the hall. He
Speaker 3: had a big he had a big a table set
Speaker 3: up with all kinds of things to look at.
Speaker 2: And what year was this?
Speaker 3: I think that was nineteen ninety eight, Okay?
Speaker 2: And where was this?
Speaker 3: It was in Vancouver, BC.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Well would you remember about that because in
Speaker 2: ninety eight, that was before this onslaught of Bigfoot conferences
Speaker 2: that we're kind of dealing with now.
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't very well attended, especially for something
Speaker 3: in the middle of Vancouver, BC. I mean, I went
Speaker 3: to the Ocean Shores Sasquatch Summit in twenty sixteen. I
Speaker 3: met you there briefly, Cliff, and it was nothing like
Speaker 3: the twenty sixteen Sasquatch Summit, which I think there were
Speaker 3: eight or nine hundred people. This one in Vancouver in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. I think you would have been lucky
Speaker 3: to have two hundred. With the big names there, I mean,
Speaker 3: Grover Krantz and Rennie to Hindon. You know, I just
Speaker 3: watched that movie the other night again after you and
Speaker 3: I spoke, and I watched which movie is this the
Speaker 3: I think it's called Sasquatch Odyssey, the one that Henry
Speaker 3: Franzella yah, And I've watched it several times because John
Speaker 3: Anders and I have a little cameo in it where
Speaker 3: they're interviewing Rennie to hindon who was really wound up
Speaker 3: at this thing? I mean he was. He was a
Speaker 3: rabble rouser to say the least. And John and I
Speaker 3: walked behind him on the camera. I think I was
Speaker 3: eyeing the cookies on the table and they were interviewing him,
Speaker 3: and I have to say he was fairly obnoxious to
Speaker 3: say the least.
Speaker 2: Well in what way? What did he do that made
Speaker 2: you come to that conclusion?
Speaker 3: Well, every time somebody got up to speak, he would
Speaker 3: just right out in public. He would just start yelling
Speaker 3: at him and badgering them and you know, arguing with him,
Speaker 3: telling him basically flat out that they were full of bs.
Speaker 3: And I think he did that to Grover Krantz too,
Speaker 3: which is probably why when I came up to Grover
Speaker 3: Krantz and introduced myself to him and tried to talk
Speaker 3: to him, he was just he was in a very
Speaker 3: foul mood. I don't think he wanted to talk to anybody,
Speaker 3: and so I probably got to doctor Krantz after Rannie
Speaker 3: de Hinden had had ruined his day. Is kind of
Speaker 3: the feeling that I got, you know, I got to
Speaker 3: give Grover credit. I might have just hit him at
Speaker 3: a bad time. But when I when I tried to
Speaker 3: talk to him, he had no interest in hearing about
Speaker 3: another big foot encounter, which is what I wanted to
Speaker 3: share with him. So that was unfortunate. But you know,
Speaker 3: I can't control that.
Speaker 2: And that was your only run in with Krantz, your
Speaker 2: only opportunity to really connect with him. Yes, Okay, Now
Speaker 2: did you speak to Renee when you were there, or
Speaker 2: did you just, like, you know, stare at him agast
Speaker 2: from a distance.
Speaker 3: I don't remember speaking to him. I think he might have.
Speaker 3: He might have intimidated me with his attitude. I think
Speaker 3: I just kind of stayed away from him. I do
Speaker 3: remember John and I commenting about how about his behavior?
Speaker 3: I remember that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then did you say Burne was there as well, Peter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think I talked to him very
Speaker 3: much either.
Speaker 2: At the conference. But did you have run into him later?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did. He had that I don't know what
Speaker 3: he called it, bigfoot information Center or something down in Dallas, Oregon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the trailer next to Spooky's.
Speaker 3: Is that what it was? Well, my father in law
Speaker 3: used to live in White Salmon, and I knew about
Speaker 3: Peter Burn being down in the Dallas. So when we
Speaker 3: went to White sam and I called him and he
Speaker 3: had a phone number where you could reach him, and
Speaker 3: so I called him and he said he was there,
Speaker 3: but he wasn't taking any visitors that day for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: So I just spoke with him on the phone for
Speaker 3: a while. He was very nice. I probably talked to
Speaker 3: him for a half hour and told him where I
Speaker 3: was from, and you know the encounters that I had
Speaker 3: up to that time. And yeah, he was very receptive
Speaker 3: and more than happy to talk with me, but he
Speaker 3: just said he wasn't accepting any visitors.
Speaker 2: Very good. Now, of course we've touched upon very briefly
Speaker 2: some of your encounters I suppose with three of the
Speaker 2: four you know, Renee, Grover and Peter. But John Green
Speaker 2: was not at that event, but you actually ran across
Speaker 2: him later and I thought this was a pretty amusing story.
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell that to us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this was around it was twenty ten,
Speaker 3: as I found it on my Facebook post. We had
Speaker 3: a gift certificate to go to Harrison Hot Springs and
Speaker 3: stay at one of the hotels up there for the
Speaker 3: night and have dinner. And I'd never been there, and
Speaker 3: so I couldn't wait to go. And it was kind
Speaker 3: of during the off season. I think it was in November,
Speaker 3: and so we drove up there and you know, did
Speaker 3: the tourism thing and had a great dinner. And the
Speaker 3: next day I wanted to go up to that up
Speaker 3: to the Sasquatch Park, which is I believe on the
Speaker 3: east side of Harrison Lake. You drive out of town,
Speaker 3: it's not very far out of town, and so we
Speaker 3: drove up to this lake that was I want to say,
Speaker 3: at the most three or four miles out of Harrison
Speaker 3: Hot Springs. And I know that this lake has had
Speaker 3: a couple of big sightings, so I wanted to go
Speaker 3: check out that lake. And we walked around through the
Speaker 3: campsites looking for tracks. Of course, it was freezing outside,
Speaker 3: so there's nobody there. And on our way back down
Speaker 3: the road, there's this couple walking up the road and
Speaker 3: I drove by him in my truck and I said
Speaker 3: to my wife, that guy looks like John Green. And
Speaker 3: then it just clicked with me that he lived in
Speaker 3: Harrison Hot Springs or near there, and so I turned around,
Speaker 3: drove back past him again and it was him. So
Speaker 3: I stopped my truck up the road a little bit
Speaker 3: from him and got out. I didn't want to be
Speaker 3: confrontational or scar him, you know, he was with his wife.
Speaker 3: And I asked him if he was John Green, and
Speaker 3: introduced myself and I told him that I was a
Speaker 3: friend of John Andrews. So that immediately, I think, took
Speaker 3: his dard down because we had a mutual friend, you know.
Speaker 3: And so we talked for a while, and I think
Speaker 3: at first John Green's wife probably thought I was nuts,
Speaker 3: you know, a fanboy stopping on the side of the
Speaker 3: road to talk to him. And I think my wife
Speaker 3: was back in my truck with a bag over her
Speaker 3: head for a while. And so anyway, I had a book,
Speaker 3: a big Foot book in my truck, and I thought
Speaker 3: it was the Locals, but it wasn't because I looked
Speaker 3: through that book. But I've got a huge library. I
Speaker 3: don't remember whose book it was, but it wasn't one
Speaker 3: of John Green's. But it had a picture of him
Speaker 3: in it. So I found that picture and had John
Speaker 3: autograph it, and I didn't take up too much of
Speaker 3: his time, you know, maybe ten or fifteen minutes, and
Speaker 3: that was it. I mean, it was really cold out
Speaker 3: and I'm sure he didn't want to stop walking up
Speaker 3: that hill to talk to me very long because it
Speaker 3: was it was chilly. That was quite the lucky encounter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking for you you go looking for a Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but you find the most one of the most famous
Speaker 2: bigfooters ever. Right, that's pretty ironic. Stay tuned for more
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right
Speaker 2: back after these messages.
Speaker 1: And I was really curious, Lay, because I know it's
Speaker 1: been mentioned a couple of times that you'd had some
Speaker 1: encounters up to that point that had prompted you to
Speaker 1: want to reach out to some of these people to
Speaker 1: discuss those. I'd love to hear about those. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the audience would as well.
Speaker 3: Great. I need to start this the Devil's Mountain. All
Speaker 3: the counters that went around happened around Devil's Mountain in
Speaker 3: Lake ten There is a legendary creature, most likely a Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: but everybody calls it the monster. And from what I've gathered,
Speaker 3: it's just not all bigfoot are black or brown hair.
Speaker 3: This one's lighter hair, and it's a real dirty, lighter color.
Speaker 3: And so the yellow monster is this Devil's Lake creature
Speaker 3: that many many people have seen. And the first time
Speaker 3: I heard about this was, like I said, a lot
Speaker 3: of times, my friend's parents, especially the mothers, would give
Speaker 3: us a ride up and drop us off at this trailhead.
Speaker 3: And one of my friends John, his mom, when she
Speaker 3: was giving us a ride up there, she said, oh,
Speaker 3: this is where I was camping when I was in
Speaker 3: high school. And we were in the rock corry up
Speaker 3: above the lake. And we left our camp and came
Speaker 3: back to camp and something had demolished our campsite and
Speaker 3: it was still up in the woods, throwing rocks and
Speaker 3: garbage down into our campsite. And she said, then we
Speaker 3: saw it and it was a bigfoot. And we just said, yeah, nice,
Speaker 3: trying to scare us, you know, trying to scare us
Speaker 3: out of here, drop us off at the lake for
Speaker 3: the night and give us a good horror story before
Speaker 3: you leave. And we just kind of wrote it off.
Speaker 3: And about a year later I was up there waiting
Speaker 3: for my grandfather to come and pick me up. I
Speaker 3: was up there by myself. All my other friends had
Speaker 3: gone home early, and I wanted to stand fish longer.
Speaker 3: So I was up there waiting for him, and a
Speaker 3: guy drove up in a truck. He was an older
Speaker 3: guy in his probably seventies or eighties, and he started
Speaker 3: telling me. We had discussed the history of this area
Speaker 3: for quite a while before he brought this up. He
Speaker 3: started telling me he was deer hunting up there once
Speaker 3: and also saw a bigfoot, and he said it was
Speaker 3: kind of a bright, dirty white yellow color. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: that's funny because my friend's mom told us about a
Speaker 3: year ago that she saw one up here too, and
Speaker 3: it tore their campsite apart and threw stuff at him.
Speaker 3: He said, the one that he saw just walked out
Speaker 3: of the woods and turn around and walk back into
Speaker 3: the woods again. So that was the second story I heard.
Speaker 3: And then between my junior and senior year in high school,
Speaker 3: we were camped down and it was in the summer.
Speaker 3: It was in August, and there were three of us,
Speaker 3: and we used to camp up there, like I said,
Speaker 3: in the summer, probably every other weekend for years and
Speaker 3: never had anything happen. So we got pretty sloppy about
Speaker 3: cleaning up our campsite at night. You know, we didn't
Speaker 3: hang our food or anything because nothing ever happened. And
Speaker 3: I had just left my fishing tackle out in my
Speaker 3: backpack leaning up against the tree next to my tent.
Speaker 3: And you know, none of us really cleaned up after
Speaker 3: ourselves like you should, because, like I say, we were
Speaker 3: just sloppy. And I was in a tent by myself
Speaker 3: up above my two friends who were in a pretty
Speaker 3: good size, like a four person tent, and I was
Speaker 3: in a smaller pupp by myself, and something woke me
Speaker 3: up about one o'clock in the morning, and it had
Speaker 3: walked past my tent, and it was kind of squeaking.
Speaker 3: It was just making some little chirping noises. And then
Speaker 3: I heard something messing around with my backpack and a
Speaker 3: couple cans that I had left out probably are empty
Speaker 3: cans of spaghetti and meatballs or whatever we had for dinner.
Speaker 3: So I yelled said, hey, if anything's out there, you know,
Speaker 3: get out of here. And then my friends down in
Speaker 3: the other tent they said, hey, what was that. I said, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, something walked past my tent was making
Speaker 3: some weird noises, and then it was digging around in
Speaker 3: my backpack. And so about five minutes passed and then
Speaker 3: one of those cans went rolling down the hill past
Speaker 3: my tent and into my friend's tent, and then whatever
Speaker 3: was in my pack, it just all hell broke loose
Speaker 3: and it just things went flying everywhere, and I just
Speaker 3: figured it was a bear. Opened up my tent door,
Speaker 3: and I had a twenty two rifle that I always
Speaker 3: kept loaded, and I just pointed it up in the
Speaker 3: air and shot about five times up in the tree
Speaker 3: to hopefully scare whatever it was off. And that campsite
Speaker 3: is very very dark and I couldn't see very well,
Speaker 3: but there was this big black figure and it ran
Speaker 3: off and past that campsite. There's a big swamp that
Speaker 3: you have to hike through to get to the next campsite,
Speaker 3: kind of around the corner on the lake. And when
Speaker 3: this thing went through that swamp, it sounded like a
Speaker 3: freight train was running through it. So I came flying
Speaker 3: out of my tent and my two friends came out
Speaker 3: of their tent, and we just had figured it was
Speaker 3: a bear, and we immediately started a big fire, picked
Speaker 3: up all our garbage, you know, cleaned up our camp
Speaker 3: like we should have in the first place. And I
Speaker 3: was not going to go sleep in my tent by
Speaker 3: myself after that, so my friends had a tent. It
Speaker 3: was plenty big enough for me. So I hauled my
Speaker 3: sleep and bagged my sleep and pad down there. About
Speaker 3: an hour later we started going back to sleep, and
Speaker 3: something on the other side of that lake, which is
Speaker 3: it's about a fourteen acre lake, so it's not that big.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a longer, narrow lake. Something on the
Speaker 3: other side of the lake started. First it was just
Speaker 3: the typical like the Ohio howl that you've heard or
Speaker 3: you know John Andrews recordings that he got down off
Speaker 3: highway too, just the long, drawn out howls. But it
Speaker 3: started coming back around the lake towards us, and the
Speaker 3: howls got higher pitched, like screaming, but not like a cougar,
Speaker 3: but a different kind of screen. And so we were
Speaker 3: terrified and banging pots and pans together and everything, and
Speaker 3: shooting our guns in the air. And finally it was
Speaker 3: yelling like that off and on for a couple of minutes,
Speaker 3: and then it just quit and the place just went
Speaker 3: dead silent, and about as soon as we could see
Speaker 3: the trail, we ran up there and got out of
Speaker 3: there and jumped in my friend's car and went home.
Speaker 3: And I came home about five o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: and I remember my mom was up. She got up
Speaker 3: very early, and she goes, what happened to you guys,
Speaker 3: And we were all terrified. So one of the guys
Speaker 3: in the tent was was crying when we were sitting
Speaker 3: there listening to this thing yelling. So that that was
Speaker 3: our first possible encounter with a Sasquatch up the Devil's
Speaker 3: Mountain and Lake.
Speaker 2: And that's the one you told John Andrews when you
Speaker 2: spoke to him for the first time.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did. And I also this is probably around
Speaker 3: two thousand. I found the BFRO website and I went
Speaker 3: there and filed that report, and whoever posted it really
Speaker 3: turned it around. And so what you read on that
Speaker 3: report ended up being not what happened at all. I
Speaker 3: can't remember what they did to my report, but they
Speaker 3: butchered it whoever did that. So, I mean, the time
Speaker 3: in the place is right, but the details were all wrong.
Speaker 2: Now you saw a large dark figure there. But later
Speaker 2: on a few sentences later, you commented, you just assumed
Speaker 2: it might have been a bear. Did the figure look
Speaker 2: like a bear when you saw it?
Speaker 3: It was just a big black figure. And I was
Speaker 3: in my tent, and so that's all I could see.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I that campsite was so dark you
Speaker 3: couldn't really see a lot. And at first, you know,
Speaker 3: when something like that happens, you just I mean, I
Speaker 3: knew there were a bear up there, and we had
Speaker 3: just assumed, okay, it was a bear. And so we
Speaker 3: got some sap off of a tree and started a
Speaker 3: fire real fast, a big fire, and just like I said,
Speaker 3: we cleaned up our camp. But when now, when this
Speaker 3: thing started screaming, it was definitely not a bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned noises you described as chirping. I'm interested
Speaker 2: in that, like woul describe that noise. You're a musician,
Speaker 2: what kind of use of that sound vocabulary? And tell
Speaker 2: me as much as you can about what that noise
Speaker 2: sounded like.
Speaker 3: It was a high pitch kind of a chatter, and
Speaker 3: like I said, it woke me up out of a
Speaker 3: dead sleep. And you know, you're kind of in that
Speaker 3: state where you're about half asleep and half awake and
Speaker 3: you're you're listening to this. This same exact noise happened
Speaker 3: to me when I was camping near Bumping Lake with
Speaker 3: Paul Graves. By the way, it was almost the same
Speaker 3: exact noise many years later, I think that was twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: and so it was between our tents and it was
Speaker 3: making this chirping noise, and that's what initially woke me up.
Speaker 3: And it's it's hard to put a finger on exactly
Speaker 3: what that was because it didn't wake me right up
Speaker 3: like bam on manute, you know, you're just wide awake
Speaker 3: with your eyes bugged out. It kind of woke me
Speaker 3: up slowly, and I just remember this chattering noise like
Speaker 3: something was talking, you know, And there's there's probably a
Speaker 3: lot of small all animals that could do that, like
Speaker 3: raccoons and things, I know, make noises. So I didn't
Speaker 3: wake up thinking automatically that it was, you know, a
Speaker 3: bigfoot or something between our two tents. I just wondered,
Speaker 3: you know, what it could have been. But that was
Speaker 3: the noise that initially woke me up.
Speaker 2: But that was only the first of your encounters. I
Speaker 2: know you've been doing a lot of bigfoot stuff for
Speaker 2: a long time. Tell us about another one that sticks
Speaker 2: out your mind.
Speaker 3: My one visual sighting was in two thousand and eight
Speaker 3: and we were camping up at Baker Lake. And usually
Speaker 3: when I go camping, i'm backpacking or car camping way
Speaker 3: off somewhere remote, but this time we were actually in
Speaker 3: a campsite of Horseshoe Cove right on Baker Lake, you know,
Speaker 3: camping with a lot of other people. And I had
Speaker 3: taken off at night, a couple hours before dark, and
Speaker 3: it was during grouse hunting season. So I took off
Speaker 3: on my mountain bike and had a twenty two pistol
Speaker 3: and went up to ride some side roads to see
Speaker 3: if I could get a grouse. And I saw a
Speaker 3: lot of grouse, but I didn't get any of them.
Speaker 3: And it's hard to hunt on a bicycle with a gun.
Speaker 3: It all seems like it's it's good until you go
Speaker 3: out and try to do it and it doesn't work
Speaker 3: so well. And so I got up real early the
Speaker 3: next morning and went up there again, and on my
Speaker 3: way back, I was coming down a long road. It
Speaker 3: was Sunday morning, early and there was no traffic, nobody
Speaker 3: out and this tall, dark black figure walked out of
Speaker 3: the woods, across the road and down into the woods
Speaker 3: on the other side, and it was moving fast. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure that it even saw me. It was probably
Speaker 3: one hundred to one hundred and twenty five yards in
Speaker 3: front of me. And so I stopped on my bike
Speaker 3: and kind of gathered my thoughts. And the problem was
Speaker 3: I had to cross this thing's path to get back
Speaker 3: to our camp. I couldn't turn around the other way.
Speaker 3: I had to go back that way. So I was
Speaker 3: pretty freaked out, and I thought, well, you know, what
Speaker 3: could it be. There's nobody around here, there's no cars parked.
Speaker 3: I don't think that was a hunter because it was
Speaker 3: all black, no gun, no backpack, and the way it
Speaker 3: was walking, it didn't look like just a guy out
Speaker 3: for a run. And so I waited about a minute.
Speaker 3: And of course, when I'm riding my bike with a
Speaker 3: gun and I'm hunting, I don't have a shell in
Speaker 3: the chamber. So I did. I put a shell in
Speaker 3: the chamber and rode up there and stopped. And there
Speaker 3: was no trail where this thing came out of the
Speaker 3: woods on one side of the road and went down
Speaker 3: on the other side. There was no path. It was
Speaker 3: just going cross country through the bushes, a lot of ferns,
Speaker 3: Devil's Club, that kind of thing. So it wasn't easy
Speaker 3: going and it was moving fast. So I yelled one time.
Speaker 3: I think I yelled, Hey, is there anybody there? I
Speaker 3: didn't get an answer, and then I just took off
Speaker 3: and went back to camp. I told my wife, and
Speaker 3: I had one friend in camp who we we have
Speaker 3: spent a lot of nights by the campfire talking about Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: and my friend Jody, and I told him when he
Speaker 3: got up, I don't I still I think by the
Speaker 3: time I got back into camp, I don't think anybody
Speaker 3: was even up yet. That's that's how early I was
Speaker 3: been out hunting. And yeah, so I told Jody and
Speaker 3: told my wife, and I don't think either one of
Speaker 3: them were that shocked, because you know, Baker Lake is
Speaker 3: a very hot area for Bigfoot, and you know I
Speaker 3: was out early. A lot of a lot of stories
Speaker 3: come out of Baker Lake. I know the BFRO they
Speaker 3: conduct investigations up there as well, and so it's always
Speaker 3: been a popular spot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been there. It's definitely a hot spot. I
Speaker 4: don't have anything happened. But I've talked to tons of
Speaker 4: people out.
Speaker 3: I believe, Bobo, that that's the only thing I've ever
Speaker 3: had happen up in that area. I've I would like
Speaker 3: to get into some of the vocalizations and things that
Speaker 3: I've heard over the year, but I've spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time up around Baker Lake, and I think that
Speaker 3: was the only thing that I've ever had happen up there.
Speaker 3: But a visual is enough. I mean, that's I'm very
Speaker 3: happy to have had that happen.
Speaker 2: Oh I trade one hundred sound events for one visual.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, even though it was hunting season, I
Speaker 3: can tell you there were no cars around the way
Speaker 3: this thing was moving and where I saw it, and
Speaker 3: the fact that wasn't carrying anything. You know, it was
Speaker 3: one hundred yards away and I was on my bike
Speaker 3: and this thing broke out of the woods and moved
Speaker 3: across the road pretty fast. So I can't say one
Speaker 3: hundred percent that it was a bigfoot, But at this point,
Speaker 3: when you sit down and look at the whole picture,
Speaker 3: you know, I want to say I'm ninety percent sure
Speaker 3: that it was.
Speaker 1: I'll give you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems fair, It seems fair.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back for these messages. So you said,
Speaker 2: you want to talk to us about some of the
Speaker 2: vocalizations that you've heard. Have you recorded any or just
Speaker 2: heard them or you.
Speaker 3: Know they're usually when I, in fact, every time I've
Speaker 3: heard these vocalizations, I'm on my way to a lake
Speaker 3: or coming back from a lake to go fishing. And
Speaker 3: I'm not out researching Bigfoot. I'm not set up for it.
Speaker 3: I do have a Taskam recorder, but I've actually gone
Speaker 3: through two of them. I broke my first one. I
Speaker 3: bought another one last summer after an experience I had
Speaker 3: up by Darrington, and so I thought, you know what,
Speaker 3: I need to go out and buy another Taskam recorder.
Speaker 3: The best vocalization that I've heard, we were not set
Speaker 3: up for at all. It was in two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: and there's a lake kind of near Concrete, Washington Concrete
Speaker 3: and Scadget County. It's called Day Lake, and you used
Speaker 3: to be able to in the seventies and eighties. You
Speaker 3: could just drive right into it, but since then they've
Speaker 3: gated off fall the logging roads. So it's about a
Speaker 3: ten mile bike ride into this lake, and we just
Speaker 3: this was before e bikes, like I said, two thousand
Speaker 3: and one, So we just parked the truck at the
Speaker 3: gate and my friend Julio and I rode our mountain
Speaker 3: bikes in and to fish the lake. So it's quite
Speaker 3: a long bike ride. It takes about two hours to
Speaker 3: get in there on logging roads on bikes, and the
Speaker 3: last mile and a half or so of the road
Speaker 3: before you get to the lake is they put it
Speaker 3: to sleep. So every year that we went in there
Speaker 3: they dug a great big ditch so you couldn't drive
Speaker 3: in any farther, even if you had a key to
Speaker 3: the gate, you couldn't drive down. And the road was done,
Speaker 3: and they dug some of the big tank traps in
Speaker 3: it so nobody could drive down it, so they were
Speaker 3: just letting the road go. And just to the west
Speaker 3: of that road was used to be a huge beaver
Speaker 3: pond that the dam had broke and drained all the
Speaker 3: water out, so it was just kind of a big
Speaker 3: swamp down there, and we were going in on our bikes,
Speaker 3: and down in that swamp we heard these two vocalizations
Speaker 3: that sounded like apes laughing at us, and it was
Speaker 3: so eerie. And first time we heard them, they were
Speaker 3: probably about i would say, within a quarter mile away,
Speaker 3: and there were at least two of them, and they
Speaker 3: were carrying on like almost like they were laughing. So
Speaker 3: we stopped and listened, kept going, and about another five
Speaker 3: minutes we were much closer to them, and they lit
Speaker 3: up again. And I've never heard anything like this in
Speaker 3: my life. They were definitely ape sounding, and they were
Speaker 3: laughing and almost trying to mimic us when we were talking.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by mimic? Kelly, tell us more
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 3: When we would talk, they would say something, but they
Speaker 3: were talking in a different tongue, obviously some kind of
Speaker 3: a It was just gibberish. And then another one of
Speaker 3: them would bust up and start. It was almost like
Speaker 3: a chimpanzee laughing. And they were down in this swamp area.
Speaker 3: And so the second time we heard them, my friend
Speaker 3: Julio he goes, I'm not leaving my bike here because
Speaker 3: the road was getting so bad. I was just going
Speaker 3: to ditch my bike and we were going to go
Speaker 3: into the lake and fish. And he said, I'm not
Speaker 3: even going to leave my bike here. And I ditched
Speaker 3: my bike and walked and he hauled his bike the
Speaker 3: rest of the way into the lake. Over All these
Speaker 3: down trees and everything, the chattering and the laughter, and
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of it sounded like kind of
Speaker 3: like what you hear in the Sierra sounds, but this
Speaker 3: was different. It was much more ape like. And I wish,
Speaker 3: I mean, I wish I'd had something to record. You know,
Speaker 3: this is back before cell phones even, you know, two
Speaker 3: thousand and one, prehistoric times compared to the technology we
Speaker 3: have now. So yeah, I wish I could have got
Speaker 3: that on recorded it with something. But that was memorable.
Speaker 1: That is such a great area. I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time just a little bit east of there, closer
Speaker 1: to like Gee Creek and Gee Point and Finished Sreek.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is another one of my spots. And I've
Speaker 3: got a really good story from that area too.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love to hear. One of the best nights
Speaker 1: I had in those three years in the Northwest was
Speaker 1: right out there. It was amazing.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, that is And I have to ask, when
Speaker 3: when did you do your research up there?
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, nine and twenty ten, those three years, I.
Speaker 3: Could have run into you up there, and I heard
Speaker 3: the most fascinating story of a guy friend of mine
Speaker 3: who is grouse hunting and up the old g Creek road.
Speaker 3: They put it to sleep, that back when it was
Speaker 3: still walkable. That I'd love to tell you sometime too.
Speaker 3: I've always fished the two lakes up on top of
Speaker 3: the mountain there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to hear about your other experiences up there,
Speaker 1: and even like the grouse hunter story sounds really interesting.
Speaker 3: The grouse hunter story, I can make that quick. And
Speaker 3: he initially he told me when he told me about this,
Speaker 3: he said, do not tell anybody about this area. And
Speaker 3: of course I'm going to go ahead and tell you now,
Speaker 3: because you cannot walk down this road anymore. It is
Speaker 3: completely overgrown. It is impenetrable. It's so bad that this guy,
Speaker 3: back when the road was put to sleep, that you
Speaker 3: could still walk it. He had walked up the road
Speaker 3: when he was in high school with a four to
Speaker 3: ten shotgun and he was hunting grouse and he set
Speaker 3: up the road. From him, this bigfoot came walking down
Speaker 3: this embankment where you and I would have to walk
Speaker 3: sideways and sidestep it going down. You know, one of
Speaker 3: those kind of ditch things on the side of the road,
Speaker 3: and he said, this thing was walking with his feet
Speaker 3: pointed straightforward across the road and down the other side
Speaker 3: and down into the g Creek Valley. And so he
Speaker 3: came back to tell his grandpa back at camp and
Speaker 3: told his grandpa what he saw, and his grandpa said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I've seen one up there too, So he
Speaker 3: just didn't want to tell him about it. That was
Speaker 3: about the extent of that story, but he he had
Speaker 3: told me to keep that area quiet, and I told
Speaker 3: one person. And I think that's how Jim Bodiska found
Speaker 3: out about it, and that's that's probably how you ended
Speaker 3: up finding out about it. But that's that's all good.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, in the end, it's great. I'm glad
Speaker 3: you got up there too.
Speaker 1: Oh it was amazing up there. Yeah, the first time
Speaker 1: went we were we stayed up with that quarry and
Speaker 1: then started going to those other areas around there for
Speaker 1: subsequent visits. And then one time Tyler and I and
Speaker 1: a friend of his went up there and we were
Speaker 1: so far above the snow line. I couldn't even tell
Speaker 1: you when we hit the snow line, but we just
Speaker 1: kept going up and up and up, and by the
Speaker 1: time we got up there were several feet of snow,
Speaker 1: which we didn't really know at the time because you
Speaker 1: just see this white blanket, you know. But Tyler had
Speaker 1: one of those metal fire pits and burned firewood in
Speaker 1: it all night. So in the morning that thing was
Speaker 1: like three feet down in snow, oh where it had melted.
Speaker 1: But that night we got wood knocks in response to
Speaker 1: you know, mimicked vocalizations because I kept thinking, like, man,
Speaker 1: we're too high above the snow line. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's going to be anything up here, And we got
Speaker 1: to like right at dark, and then you know, hours
Speaker 1: later we started getting woodennock responses. And then the next
Speaker 1: day when we were walking around up there, we saw
Speaker 1: a lot of critters moving deer and things like that.
Speaker 1: So I was surprised that how much life there was
Speaker 1: way up above the snow line like that. But that's
Speaker 1: that's a great area. So, like I said, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear more of the things that you've experienced out there.
Speaker 3: So that area has the crow flies from day Lake,
Speaker 3: where Julio and I had heard the laughter. If you
Speaker 3: go west from day Lake and you find Big Lake,
Speaker 3: and just west of Big Lake is Lake ten and
Speaker 3: Devil's Mountain. So that area from Devil's Mountain to g Point,
Speaker 3: that entire area in there is is kind of my
Speaker 3: hot spot. I've got stories all over that area. So,
Speaker 3: you know, most of my big foot encounters have not
Speaker 3: been up in the alpine country. It's been in that
Speaker 3: lower level and foothills, like from one thousand feet up
Speaker 3: to you know, four thousand feet elevation area. So a
Speaker 3: lot of it, A lot of this has happened in
Speaker 3: the in the foothills of Skadget County, in Watkam County.
Speaker 3: The vocalizations and the everything else I've had happened that
Speaker 3: the big story I have from g Point and this
Speaker 3: is going to crack you guys up. Have any of
Speaker 3: you ever heard of Richard Grover?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was. He was a topic just by
Speaker 3: himself that I could talk about for ten minutes. But
Speaker 3: so Richard Grover and I and John Anders and a
Speaker 3: friend of mine who is a friend of the family,
Speaker 3: a guy who is still in high school at this time.
Speaker 3: This was in two thousand and five, and we had
Speaker 3: planned a trip to hike into g Point Lake, which
Speaker 3: is It's only two miles from the car on the trailhead,
Speaker 3: but that is the longest two miles you will ever hike.
Speaker 3: And there's a rock slide that you have to go
Speaker 3: down to get to the lake that is very intimidate
Speaker 3: dating if you've never done it. And John brought Richard,
Speaker 3: and Richard brought enough stuff for him, but he needed
Speaker 3: to camp with somebody who was more well equipped because
Speaker 3: he didn't have a camp stove, didn't have a water filter,
Speaker 3: you know, so he was kind of relying on us.
Speaker 3: And we got to that rock slide and I knew
Speaker 3: Richard was never going to get down it. And I'm
Speaker 3: the fisherman in the group. I'm the only one with
Speaker 3: a fishing pole in my pack, and I really wanted
Speaker 3: to get down and fish g Point lake because I'm
Speaker 3: in the club that stalks trout in the lake. The
Speaker 3: woman who stalks the lake has to stalk it with
Speaker 3: goats that have to get the fish down the rocks
Speaker 3: because it's so hard to get to and so I
Speaker 3: really wanted to get down about lake to fish. But
Speaker 3: John Andrews and the other guy, the high school kid
Speaker 3: who went, they had already they were already halfway down
Speaker 3: that rock slope, and I was back with rich kind
Speaker 3: of taking care of him. So I thought, oh, I can't.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to go fish that lake.
Speaker 3: And I was not happy at all. And so to
Speaker 3: make the best of the trip, Richard and I went
Speaker 3: back and camped in this beautiful meadow that was kind
Speaker 3: of off the trail on the hike end. And this
Speaker 3: meadow is just pristine, and I hated to even go
Speaker 3: in it and set up a tent in it, but
Speaker 3: it was about the only place I could find a camp,
Speaker 3: and so Richard and I each had a tent. I
Speaker 3: think I actually loaned him one of my tents when
Speaker 3: we were at the house before we left, and we
Speaker 3: went in there and went back in the woods a
Speaker 3: little bit and found a place to safely start a
Speaker 3: very small fire, and cooked our dinner and everything and talked,
Speaker 3: and you know, Richard's a great guy, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: like the trip was a total loss. I mean, we
Speaker 3: were having a good time. And right it was about
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock at night. Right when I went in and
Speaker 3: laid my head down on my pillow in my tent,
Speaker 3: I heard this big, loud smash, and I yelled to Richard,
Speaker 3: said what was that? And he was still kind of
Speaker 3: fumbling around in his tent, getting his sleeping bag and
Speaker 3: everything ready, and he didn't hear it. And then as
Speaker 3: soon as he settled down, it happened again. And it
Speaker 3: was just like something was picking up like a stump
Speaker 3: the size of a Volkswagen beetle and throwing it down
Speaker 3: on the ground back in the woods on the other
Speaker 3: side of the meadow from us, and it was just bash, bash,
Speaker 3: And I came flying out of my tent so fast,
Speaker 3: and I running over to Richard, and Richard's eyes were
Speaker 3: as big as fifty cent pieces and he goes, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I think we got I think he called
Speaker 3: it the booger. He goes, he always called it the booger.
Speaker 3: He goes, we got the booger, and it's right over
Speaker 3: there on the woods. And so we just sat there
Speaker 3: for a second. I said, just listen, I just want
Speaker 3: to see what that is. And sure enough, about a
Speaker 3: minute later, it went off again, about eight successive times,
Speaker 3: just crash. I don't know what it was beating up
Speaker 3: and what it was thrashing around, but it was real loud,
Speaker 3: and it was almost shaking the ground. And then it
Speaker 3: just quit, So of course we couldn't get back to sleep.
Speaker 3: We started a fire again, and I don't think we
Speaker 3: got any sleep that night, and nothing else happened. That
Speaker 3: was the end of that, but those noises that had
Speaker 3: gone on for the smashing went on for probably ten
Speaker 3: to fifteen minutes off and on. So John and the
Speaker 3: high school boy Ian came walking through, walking up into camp.
Speaker 3: And there's something about camping with John Andrews. He always
Speaker 3: likes to get up at the crack of dawn and
Speaker 3: hike out. He never half the time, he won't even
Speaker 3: eat breakfast. He will get up, pack up his tent,
Speaker 3: and leave at seven o'clock in the morning. And so
Speaker 3: I was expecting him coming through our campsite pretty early,
Speaker 3: and sure enough, about nine o'clock here they come, and
Speaker 3: we told them what happened, and they thought we were
Speaker 3: lying because we were mad because we couldn't get down
Speaker 3: to the lane. So we were going to make up
Speaker 3: a story for him, and John went walking over to Richard.
Speaker 3: I saw him and he said, did that really happen?
Speaker 3: Did you guys really hear?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Richard, he was still shaking. He goes, oh, yeah, there's
Speaker 3: something back in those woods, and he said it was
Speaker 3: raising hell. So we walked back there for a while
Speaker 3: and looked around, couldn't find anything. And John, I can't
Speaker 3: remember why, he had to get home in a hurry,
Speaker 3: so we didn't have a lot of time to look around,
Speaker 3: and we just got out of there.
Speaker 2: It's like leaving the fish biting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And so I know with the Bigfoot activity
Speaker 3: up in that area, there's been a lot of it.
Speaker 3: That smashing. I mean, it was loud, and Richard and
Speaker 3: I were we were having a good time. But you know,
Speaker 3: when you're sitting at home watching something like that on TV,
Speaker 3: and you're sitting in the living room with a cat
Speaker 3: on your lap and it's nice and warm, that's one thing.
Speaker 3: But when you're out there in the middle of the
Speaker 3: night camping in a meadow and something's back in the
Speaker 3: woods thrashing around on something, that's a whole day front story.
Speaker 2: A little bit more vulnerable out there, I think, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: Cliff and I had just had a conversation recently about
Speaker 1: a lot of people getting into the field and looking
Speaker 1: for advice and guidance specifically on the field research component.
Speaker 1: So you had mentioned that there were some things that
Speaker 1: it like patterns that had emerged for you over the years,
Speaker 1: like certain elevations where more activity would happen, and yeah,
Speaker 1: we love that kind of stuff. So I'd love to
Speaker 1: hear any other sort of things that you've picked up
Speaker 1: on over all these years of pursuing these things in
Speaker 1: the field that have sort of stuck out to you
Speaker 1: as either truisms or you know, more often true than not,
Speaker 1: those sort of lessons from the field.
Speaker 3: Well, one pattern that I've noticed, and I think I
Speaker 3: heard Shane Corson mention this on a podcast once, is
Speaker 3: when you first drive up into the mountains and you
Speaker 3: get to your spot and you get out of the car,
Speaker 3: you need to be ready with a recorder if it's
Speaker 3: a good bigfoot spot, because I've had it happen three
Speaker 3: times where I've driven up in the foothills to the
Speaker 3: you know, the trailhead to one of my lakes, or
Speaker 3: parked at a gate or whatever, get out of the
Speaker 3: car and I start hearing something right away and I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is. About that if you just
Speaker 3: drive into their area and you get out and then
Speaker 3: you've startled them or I don't know what why that is,
Speaker 3: but that has happened to me three times.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, has it happened to you more? Bobo?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean just getting out here and that whack
Speaker 4: whack like right when you get out.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what what happened to us? One time
Speaker 3: late we were stalking fish in a lake up by
Speaker 3: concrete and we drove up this mountain for about ten miles,
Speaker 3: got to the end of the road. There was nobody there,
Speaker 3: and it was my friend and I and our two kids,
Speaker 3: who were both about eleven years old at that time,
Speaker 3: and we got out of the car and there were
Speaker 3: two people talking back in the woods. There were no
Speaker 3: cars around, there was nobody there, and the talking again,
Speaker 3: it was like a foreign tongue that you couldn't understand,
Speaker 3: and it sounded like two women and they were talking
Speaker 3: back and forth, but you couldn't understand anything. It was
Speaker 3: just bizarre. And they were walking away from us as
Speaker 3: we got out of the car, and my friend Denny said, Larry,
Speaker 3: what is that There's nobody up here? And I said,
Speaker 3: I don't know there must be somebody down there talking,
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to spook the kids, because we
Speaker 3: had to get those fish into that lake, because the
Speaker 3: state regulations say if you can't, if you can't get
Speaker 3: the fry into the lake where they're supposed to be planted,
Speaker 3: then you basically just have to dump them in the
Speaker 3: middle of the road and let them die. And so
Speaker 3: I didn't want to spook the kids and say, I
Speaker 3: think that could very well be a couple of bigfoot
Speaker 3: talking and walking away from us as they're getting together,
Speaker 3: because I don't know what else that could have been.
Speaker 3: But it was two people talking. It sounded kind of
Speaker 3: like women in a foreign tongue that I've never heard.
Speaker 3: And there was nobody up there, and we were we
Speaker 3: hadn't seen anybody in miles, and we were the only
Speaker 3: set of tire tracks, and this lake that we were
Speaker 3: stalking was very remote. There wasn't even a trail going
Speaker 3: to it, so it wasn't like a popular destination. So
Speaker 3: when we got back to the car after we stalked
Speaker 3: the lake and my friend had asked me again, he said,
Speaker 3: I still don't don't know what we heard when we
Speaker 3: got up here and got out of the car, and
Speaker 3: I said, well, you may have just had your first
Speaker 3: Sasquatch encounter, but said, I really don't know, but I've
Speaker 3: said I've never heard anything like that. That the conversation
Speaker 3: that they were having in some kind of a foreign tongue.
Speaker 3: And like I said, there were no trails, so they
Speaker 3: were back in the woods and they were walking away
Speaker 3: from us, and I don't know where they could have
Speaker 3: been going, but there were We hadn't seen a car
Speaker 3: in five miles.
Speaker 2: So you're fortunate to have heard that kind of talking
Speaker 2: or jibber jabber or whatever on multiple occasions. I think
Speaker 2: in all my years, I've heard it once at a distance,
Speaker 2: and I again, maybe it was people. I have no
Speaker 2: idea what I've heard. It sounded like people talking. I
Speaker 2: just couldn't understand what they're saying. And I attributed that
Speaker 2: at the time to the distance. But maybe it was
Speaker 2: maybe it was people, Maybe it was Sasquatch. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't want to seem like one
Speaker 3: of those people because we all know them who every
Speaker 3: time they go out, something happens. I've been going up
Speaker 3: in the mountains for you know, forty years, mostly hitting
Speaker 3: these lakes. These lakes are very special places to me,
Speaker 3: and there's probably fifteen, fifteen or twenty of them that
Speaker 3: I like to hit every year if I can multiple times.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've gone years without anything happening, and
Speaker 3: I'd like, I think I went from twenty twenty up
Speaker 3: until twenty twenty four with literally nothing, just nothing to give.
Speaker 3: Anybody who asked me if I've had any anything exciting
Speaker 3: happen in the big Foot world, say sorry, it's just
Speaker 3: been kind of dead, so, you know, but when you
Speaker 3: look back over my forty years that I've been going out,
Speaker 3: I guess I've had quite a bit happen in that time.
Speaker 3: But like I said, I've gone years with nothing happening,
Speaker 3: and I'm still out every weekend, you know, doing my thing,
Speaker 3: riding my bike, hiking, fishing, camping, and just nothing happening
Speaker 3: as far as Bigfoot goes.
Speaker 4: Have you ever noticed like a patterns to knocking or
Speaker 4: whoops and knocking, like the number of stripes like one, two, three, four, whatever.
Speaker 3: You know, I've only heard knocking, I would say, valid
Speaker 3: wood knocking on two different occasions, and both times there
Speaker 3: were only two sets. I guess, Yeah, I want to say,
Speaker 3: two sets of the knocks, and that was it. You
Speaker 3: have to be able to distinguish those knocks between the
Speaker 3: pilliated woodpeckers that can make I mean, they can get
Speaker 3: real loud and you know, so I would have to
Speaker 3: say that I've only heard valid knocking that was probably
Speaker 3: Bigfoot activity twice. Over the years, I've had more times
Speaker 3: where I've had rocks thrown at me than I've had
Speaker 3: heard wood knocks.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Interest.
Speaker 3: One of the times was when the show Finding Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I don't know what season you were in, but my
Speaker 3: son and his friend they loved that show as I did,
Speaker 3: and so I took them out one time up near
Speaker 3: Concrete and we just parked and I think they were
Speaker 3: about ten years old or so, and we walked up
Speaker 3: this I picked a good spot, I guess, and we
Speaker 3: walked up this road for about a mile past the
Speaker 3: gate and got up there and sure enough, we knocked
Speaker 3: on a tree and we got an answer.
Speaker 4: You guys said, one knock, two knocks back.
Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly what happened. I think it I
Speaker 3: hadn't been knocking for very long, I know that I
Speaker 3: think I think it was probably the first series of
Speaker 3: knocks that I did, and sure enough, within about twenty
Speaker 3: seconds we got a knock back, a couple of knocks
Speaker 3: that were up against the hillside. Oh, I would probably
Speaker 3: say less than a quarter a mile away from us.
Speaker 2: All your time by these these pretty remote lakes, you know,
Speaker 2: and your forty years about their big footing, have you
Speaker 2: seen any good tracks in the ground.
Speaker 3: I have found one good set of tracks, but it's
Speaker 3: they were Half of the tracks were driven over by
Speaker 3: a bulldozer several years ago up by a place called
Speaker 3: Lake Tayee, up by Concrete. I had parked at Grandy Lake,
Speaker 3: and this was in February, but it was one of
Speaker 3: those really nice early spring weekends in February where I
Speaker 3: got up to like fifty five degrees. So I said,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go out and ride my mountain bike
Speaker 3: up this road and go check this area out. So
Speaker 3: I was by myself, and I rode up to the
Speaker 3: snow line, which was I think about twenty eight hundred
Speaker 3: feet and was coming back down the road. And I
Speaker 3: was going pretty fast on my way down, and I
Speaker 3: noticed on the side of the road these indentations, and
Speaker 3: I slammed on my brakes and went back and sure
Speaker 3: enough there was a set of tracks that this caterpillar
Speaker 3: or a bulldozer or something had driven over the tracks
Speaker 3: and just obliterated half of the tracks. And there were
Speaker 3: about four of them. And I do have that picture
Speaker 3: on an old cell phone that I don't use anymore.
Speaker 3: But I kept the phone because I remember all the
Speaker 3: pictures didn't transfer onto my new one. So if I
Speaker 3: could find that picture and somehow get that to you,
Speaker 3: but that's all I have of it. And there is
Speaker 3: a picture that I took of my size ten and
Speaker 3: a half hiking shoe next to the track, and it
Speaker 3: was probably another five inches longer than my boot.
Speaker 2: It was quite large. Then yeah, that's probably a sixteen
Speaker 2: seven inch foot then yeah, footprint, I should say.
Speaker 3: And the other one was up at a remote lake
Speaker 3: and I learned something on this one. I found two tracks,
Speaker 3: and I was I was not prepared to It was
Speaker 3: just another fishing trip. I wasn't carrying any plaster in
Speaker 3: my pack or anything. Probably this was probably before I
Speaker 3: got my first flip phone, even so, I want to
Speaker 3: say that was probably two thousand and seven or two
Speaker 3: thousand and six, and I had hiked into this lake
Speaker 3: and I kind of went there there was a there
Speaker 3: were two lakes, and if you wanted to get from
Speaker 3: one lake to the other one pretty fast without hiking
Speaker 3: the designated trail, you could just cut through the woods.
Speaker 3: And that's what I did. And I was going through
Speaker 3: this kind of swampy area, and I found one good
Speaker 3: track right in this kind of a spot where it
Speaker 3: was at one time a little tarn that had dried
Speaker 3: up a little bit, so it was a perfect spot track.
Speaker 3: It had been there a while, it was kind of
Speaker 3: weathered and it was it was another probably about a
Speaker 3: sixteen inch track, and then you could see where the
Speaker 3: next track kind of slipped on this rotten log and
Speaker 3: tore some of the some of the log away and
Speaker 3: some of the moss as it stepped on that log.
Speaker 3: And those were the two good tracks. And so I
Speaker 3: brought John Andrews up there a couple of weeks after that,
Speaker 3: and two or three other guys went and oh, oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, I covered up the really good track
Speaker 3: with a bunch of bark and stuff so it would
Speaker 3: be preserved. One of the guys who went with us
Speaker 3: was about six foot four and probably wore a size
Speaker 3: thirteen or fourteen shoe, and he got down in there
Speaker 3: and started walking all over the place in that soft
Speaker 3: duff that kind of contaminated everything where we couldn't tell
Speaker 3: if there were more tracks, if they were his or
Speaker 3: the bigfoot that had walked through the area. But the
Speaker 3: two tracks that I found were pretty old, and so
Speaker 3: we lifted up the bark and everything. John checked those out,
Speaker 3: took a bunch of pictures and everything. I don't know
Speaker 3: if he still has all that or not, but so
Speaker 3: those are the two tracks that I've legitimate tracks that
Speaker 3: I've found.
Speaker 2: We've had a little bit of everything in your big
Speaker 2: footing career at actual visual all sorts of a variety
Speaker 2: of vocalizations, including even chatter and whatnot, rock throwing of course,
Speaker 2: camp visitations, footprint tracks. You've kind of done it all.
Speaker 2: But I guess you stick with anything for forty years,
Speaker 2: and you probably would have done it all at some
Speaker 2: point or another, I guess, And I'm hoping I thirty
Speaker 2: something years in myself. So yeah, I'm hoping.
Speaker 3: Have you ever found rock piles big rock piles like
Speaker 3: maybe five or six feet high that we're probably ten
Speaker 3: feet long? No, No, I had when John and I
Speaker 3: when I first met John, and this is going back
Speaker 3: to Devil's Mountain in Lake ten and the Yellow Monster
Speaker 3: and everything. Oh and I need to tell you a
Speaker 3: very interesting yellow monster story too. But when I first
Speaker 3: met John, we went up there to investigate that area,
Speaker 3: and we went back in the woods and went cross country.
Speaker 3: We found this pile of rocks and they were just
Speaker 3: very out of place. They were just in the forest.
Speaker 3: We were not on a trail, We were probably a
Speaker 3: quarter mile off the trail, and we found this pile
Speaker 3: of rocks that looked like an architect had put them together,
Speaker 3: and they were so neatly placed like they were like
Speaker 3: it was a jigsaw puzzle, and each rock had its
Speaker 3: place in it. And John had a movie camera. I
Speaker 3: don't know what he had at the time, but he
Speaker 3: filmed these. We spent a significant amount of time looking
Speaker 3: at these and went back up there about three weeks later,
Speaker 3: and every rock had been torn off of this pile
Speaker 3: and thrown somewhere in the woods. So it ever got
Speaker 3: into this pile of rocks. And the rocks I would
Speaker 3: say were about POPCN size, most of them, you know,
Speaker 3: give or take. So they weren't big rocks maybe popcan
Speaker 3: to almost not quite a football size, so they weren't like,
Speaker 3: you know, we couldn't lift the rocks up or anything.
Speaker 3: I mean, anything could have gone in there and tore
Speaker 3: these things apart. But the distance the rocks were thrown,
Speaker 3: that's what was bizarre to me, because they weren't just
Speaker 3: like torn apart, and as little of effort as you
Speaker 3: could possibly put into tearing this rock pile apart, some
Speaker 3: of these rocks were fifty yards back in the woods,
Speaker 3: and like I said, the whole thing was out of
Speaker 3: place there in the first place. I mean, they were
Speaker 3: just rocks. They could have been from that quarry down
Speaker 3: the road, but it would have been quite laborious to
Speaker 3: all these things in there. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: something had just gone through the woods and found rocks
Speaker 3: and cleaned the rocks up and put them together. But
Speaker 3: whatever it was, took a significant amount of time putting
Speaker 3: this pile together. And I know, as you know, we've read,
Speaker 3: you know, in books that they liked to get into
Speaker 3: rock piles and tear them apart and eat the rodents.
Speaker 3: And that's all we really could have put together what
Speaker 3: that was all about, because it was bizarre, Rick Cliff.
Speaker 3: We went to the J.
Speaker 4: Christopher winery on the show, and the big pile of
Speaker 4: rocks happened overnight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, overnight, I guess the workers or maybe the
Speaker 2: guy himself was he was digging up large rocks from
Speaker 2: his winery, you know, to keep the soil, you know,
Speaker 2: more soil like Consiader Rocky, right, And he would put
Speaker 2: all the rocks into a pile. And these rocks were
Speaker 2: about from the small ones were fists or larger, but
Speaker 2: the larger ones are maybe two and a half feet
Speaker 2: in diameter, and you put them in a big pile.
Speaker 2: And then overnight one night, many of them were dispersed
Speaker 2: for maybe twenty yards or more in every direction from
Speaker 2: the pile where all these were piled up. He bought
Speaker 2: a sasquatch was doing it because of a local observation
Speaker 2: of one of these animals.
Speaker 3: Well that was kind of our conclusion too. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know what else could have done that back there,
Speaker 3: and with the activity around this Devil's Mountain in Lake
Speaker 3: ten over the years, that was the conclusion that we
Speaker 3: got to is that this thing, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was the Yellow Monster or how many of
Speaker 3: these things were up there at this time, but something
Speaker 3: had gone in there and tore those rocks up.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ashley, what was the harrier's situation? Like the most
Speaker 4: heart pounding, sphincter tightening situation you've had, Squatched.
Speaker 3: And that was probably at Lake ten when the thing
Speaker 3: was in our camp, you know, the one I saw
Speaker 3: across the road. That didn't scare me as bad, although,
Speaker 3: like I shared with Cliff the other day, my eyes
Speaker 3: did tear up after I saw that thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: I couldn't control it. I was kind of shook up.
Speaker 3: But if I wanted to, I could have just turned
Speaker 3: around on my bike and jetted up the road and
Speaker 3: took off and come back two hours later. I mean,
Speaker 3: if I was, if I was terrified, I probably would
Speaker 3: have just done that. But I still, you know, I
Speaker 3: waited a minute, loaded my gun and went down there
Speaker 3: so that I wasn't terrified of that. But I would
Speaker 3: have to say the lake the first, my first big
Speaker 3: encounter at the lake was that was it for me.
Speaker 3: We were terrified sitting in that tent and listening to
Speaker 3: that thing yell at us from across the lake.
Speaker 2: Well, you said you had one pretty sketchy yellow monster
Speaker 2: story that you wanted to share before we go, so
Speaker 2: once't you lay that on us.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So there's so many stories about this creature from
Speaker 3: Devil's Mountain. I want to share the one. There's a
Speaker 3: down at the base of the mountain. There's a creek
Speaker 3: called Carpenter Creek, and it flows into the Scadget River.
Speaker 3: So it's got salmon in it, and the salmon go
Speaker 3: clear up into the headwaters of it. And in the fall,
Speaker 3: my friend Matt's mom was driving home and there's driveways
Speaker 3: that go across this creek on little bridges, and at night,
Speaker 3: her head lights hit this thing and it was down
Speaker 3: in the creek and it ran up the creek, ran
Speaker 3: up the side of the bank, and ran through the
Speaker 3: berry bushes. There was just a wall of vegetation and
Speaker 3: BlackBerry bushes, and it ran through those like it was nothing,
Speaker 3: and it took off and she saw this thing in
Speaker 3: her headlights and what she described was the same thing,
Speaker 3: a dirty not black or brown, but more kind of
Speaker 3: a dirty yellow color, and long hair, and she actually
Speaker 3: went back. She got hair off those BlackBerry bushes, and
Speaker 3: I don't nobody knows where that hair went. This was
Speaker 3: back in the eighties, but my friends who saw the
Speaker 3: hair said it was like a kind of like horse
Speaker 3: mane hair, but it felt different. And I sure would
Speaker 3: like to get a hold of that hair that that
Speaker 3: thing left in those BlackBerry bushes, but that's probably long
Speaker 3: gone and who knows what happened to it. But she
Speaker 3: saw it with the headlights of her car. And that's
Speaker 3: just one of many stories that I've heard come out
Speaker 3: of that area. But that's probably the most fascinating one.
Speaker 2: That might be worth your time checking, you know, chasing
Speaker 2: down because being a listener, you know about Derby Orcutz
Speaker 2: worked over at North Carolina State University.
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, my friends who I had a couple
Speaker 3: of friends who lived down at the base of that mountain,
Speaker 3: and they're they're all closer and in touch with each
Speaker 3: other and everything. I don't see him that often, but apparently,
Speaker 3: the best of my knowledge, that hair has been lost.
Speaker 3: But I you know, I could look into it, but
Speaker 3: I think at this point they've already you know, done
Speaker 3: what they could. But it wouldn't hurt to go ask again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can hurt to make a phone call and
Speaker 2: say hello and reconnect for a moment, especially if something
Speaker 2: like that can help prove the species without taking a
Speaker 2: type specimen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if it ran through the BlackBerry bushes
Speaker 3: like that and it had longer hair, it's gonna leave
Speaker 3: hair in the bushes. And I guess it did right right.
Speaker 3: And when just a little after story of that, when
Speaker 3: I talked to this guy whose mom saw it and
Speaker 3: they had another incident too where they saw it run
Speaker 3: down this road at night as well. When he imitated
Speaker 3: how that thing ran down the road, it scared. It
Speaker 3: just gave me shivers because the way he didn't run
Speaker 3: on two legs. It was running kind of like a
Speaker 3: chimpanzee or like an ape that uses its arms to
Speaker 3: kind of stabilize itself when it's running. But it's running
Speaker 3: kind of like a linebacker like a football player, and
Speaker 3: it's got its two front legs kind of stabilizing it.
Speaker 3: It's running kind of almost sideways down the road, looking
Speaker 3: at him as it's running away. And he imitated that
Speaker 3: to me how it was running, and it just gave
Speaker 3: me the creeps.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So inhuman and again hairy yellow color. Right, Well,
Speaker 2: all that makes perfect sense because these things probably live
Speaker 2: for many decades, you know, four or five, maybe even
Speaker 2: six decades, who knows. And you know, they don't seem
Speaker 2: to move very far. All the data is suggesting they
Speaker 2: don't move very far. They're not migrating or anything like that,
Speaker 2: at least that's not what the data says. So it
Speaker 2: makes sense that an individual like that there, especially recognizable
Speaker 2: individual like that, would be popping up in the siding
Speaker 2: reports again and again over a long period of time.
Speaker 3: And sadly, this area has been the west side of
Speaker 3: that mountain of Devil's Mountain is all developed now what
Speaker 3: it's called Cascade Ridge, And oh it was. It was
Speaker 3: just a perfect place to go when we were growing up.
Speaker 3: There were old mines that went back in the mountain,
Speaker 3: and there was an old boy scout cabin, and you know,
Speaker 3: places to camp other than Lake ten. And Lake ten
Speaker 3: was just outstanding fishing back then too. The fishing was.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were just spoiled high school kids. And
Speaker 3: when we went up there, we did not drink or
Speaker 3: smoke anything. We were just happy to be up in
Speaker 3: the mountains. You know. Probably the only thing we did
Speaker 3: is carry a six pack of mountain dew down there.
Speaker 4: There's no code Red Mountain, do they guys are keeping
Speaker 4: it mellow?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, just just the normal stuff. Back when
Speaker 3: they put sugar in it instead of corn syrup. It
Speaker 3: was much better back then.
Speaker 2: Showing our age, yes for sure. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for coming on Bigfoot and Beyond, and I hope you
Speaker 2: enjoyed yourself. That was a pleasure talking to you and
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Speaker 3: And thanks so much for having me. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: It's great sharing my stories with you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we all thank you, and our listeners thank
Speaker 4: you because I'm sure they're going to enjoy this one.
Speaker 2: So thanks a lot.
Speaker 4: Larry Anderson all right, can't believe we've never met before,
Speaker 4: but I'm sure we'll see you coming up soon. So
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