Speaker 1: Andy Anderson my guest for the evening. You know exactly
Speaker 1: where you can find her at Andy five. Make sure
Speaker 1: you support creators who come on the show. Andy, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: So right off the bat, let's do the boring hack interview.
Speaker 1: Oh you've heard this a million times question? How did
Speaker 1: you cross over from vanilla life into whatever form of
Speaker 1: the adult entertainment industry? Maybe some sexual stuff outside of
Speaker 1: normal life, Like when did you first make that switch
Speaker 1: in your life?
Speaker 3: If you will h.
Speaker 4: So, my husband and I have always been very open
Speaker 4: with our not I wouldn't say open, I guess open
Speaker 4: minded with our sexuality.
Speaker 2: It was a conversation we had.
Speaker 4: From the beginning, and so we kind of started there.
Speaker 4: I was always bisexual and it was actually a conversation
Speaker 4: that I had with him on our first date, like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm bisexual. It's something I have to have. It's it's
Speaker 4: not just a desire, it's a need. So I need
Speaker 4: you to be on board with it. And if you're not,
Speaker 4: like you should probably take.
Speaker 2: A hike now.
Speaker 1: So, so there was no because the story you always
Speaker 1: hear sometimes is the guy really pushing like you know
Speaker 1: what if we had a threesome, you know, hey, that'd
Speaker 1: be interesting. That wasn't the case in your situation. You
Speaker 1: were the one that presented right up front, like, hey,
Speaker 1: one on one for the rest of our lives, probably
Speaker 1: ain't gonna cut it, because I need some women in
Speaker 1: here too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So I actually told him on that date too,
Speaker 4: like because I was I was.
Speaker 2: Thirty years old at that point, and I was.
Speaker 4: Coming to the realization that I needed to be non
Speaker 4: monogamous because I was hurting people and you know, I
Speaker 4: would get into these relationships and they'd be great and
Speaker 4: then I'd get bored. And I know I'm not the
Speaker 4: only person guilty of that, Okay, So so in that exploration,
Speaker 4: you know, some people got hurt and I feel really
Speaker 4: terrible about it still, but it was a journey and
Speaker 4: I started realizing, Okay, I don't think I can be
Speaker 4: in a relationship where I am monogamous.
Speaker 2: That doesn't work for me.
Speaker 4: But then I was like, oh my god, I'm never
Speaker 4: going to find a person that's like down with that.
Speaker 2: So I had been single for about a year.
Speaker 4: And met my husband, and yeah, we chatted for a
Speaker 4: long time because we didn't live in the same state.
Speaker 4: So we chatted for a long time after we had initially.
Speaker 2: Met, and.
Speaker 4: Finally when we went on the first date, we were
Speaker 4: having such a great time, and I was like, look,
Speaker 4: this date's going amazing. But there's some things you got
Speaker 4: to know, like I need women. I have to have that.
Speaker 4: You need to be okay with that. And honestly, I
Speaker 4: think I'm moving.
Speaker 2: Into non monogamy.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that looks like for me because
Speaker 4: I've never ventured that with another person.
Speaker 2: So if you're open to something like that in the future,
Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be now, but maybe later. And
Speaker 2: he was like, okay, yes.
Speaker 4: So from then on we started going to sex clubs
Speaker 4: occasionally and kind of dipping our toe in there, and
Speaker 4: finally it got to a point where we were just
Speaker 4: very comfortable sexually with other people together. Played separately at
Speaker 4: this point in time and twenty nineteen, I had a
Speaker 4: girlfriend who was making like insane amounts of money on
Speaker 4: Snapchat Wow as a snap Premium.
Speaker 2: Model, and I was like, Oh, let me try it.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm sure I could make a little you
Speaker 4: know that was an extra dollars a month or something
Speaker 4: like that, and that first year, I was making insane,
Speaker 4: insane amounts of money as a Snapchat model. So then
Speaker 4: it got into oh twenty happen, and when COVID happened,
Speaker 4: you know, we were all out of a job, sure,
Speaker 4: most of us, so that included myself, and I thought,
Speaker 4: let me try my hand at camming, like, let me,
Speaker 4: let me try this. We were not hard, but just
Speaker 4: wanted something else to do. And my husband was kind
Speaker 4: of into it. He was like, oh, this is hot,
Speaker 4: Like I'm down to Yeah, I'm done to watch this.
Speaker 4: So I started camming, and at first I wasn't doing
Speaker 4: very good because you have to build your clientele. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like you know, the first month is discouraging when you're
Speaker 4: a new when you're a new webcam model, because and
Speaker 4: you have no following anywhere else, because you have to
Speaker 4: sit there for free for hours, and you have to
Speaker 4: show people your personality and your body and all of
Speaker 4: these things. And then you build up a clientele and
Speaker 4: then they come in and start tipping you. So my husband,
Speaker 4: come to find out years later, I didn't know this.
Speaker 2: My I'd be upstairs.
Speaker 4: Camming, my husband would be downstairs watching me, and there
Speaker 4: would be this whale that would come into the room,
Speaker 4: and he would spend Googles the fucking money to start
Speaker 4: getting the room going, and it would work every time,
Speaker 4: come and out.
Speaker 3: That was my husband. That's that's love.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're listening, if you're listening out there,
Speaker 1: go into your wife's bugging either premium Snapchat or her
Speaker 1: cameraom and start tipping it. Hey, why aren't more people
Speaker 1: tipping in here? Start commenting that. That is so funny.
Speaker 3: That's like.
Speaker 1: That's like if I went on Reddit and I was like,
Speaker 1: by the way, have you heard this new podcast? It's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. But then other people are like, yo, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a listen. They don't do that for me.
Speaker 1: They just go like, hey, fuck this guy, get.
Speaker 3: Them out of here. So that is so oh, that's
Speaker 3: so funny. And it worked. That worked.
Speaker 4: It worked, so he would come in and spend all
Speaker 4: this money, and then people started just catching on and
Speaker 4: spending money, and so within three months, I was a
Speaker 4: top model on Chatterbabe. Then of course my fans were
Speaker 4: pressing and pressing for an OnlyFans and.
Speaker 1: I'll can I say that you can say what you pay?
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Yeah, you're totally fine. You were one
Speaker 1: hundred percent fine.
Speaker 2: To say it okay.
Speaker 4: So they were like, you need an OnlyFans and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh no, I share enough of my sexuality
Speaker 4: with you guys.
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think so no.
Speaker 4: Well then my husband of course, is like, maybe you
Speaker 4: should try that, like it might be another you know,
Speaker 4: revenue stream. And I was like, I have no idea
Speaker 4: what I'm doing, Like I don't know how to film
Speaker 4: a video, edit a video. I don't know any of
Speaker 4: that stuff. And he's like, well you'd learn real fast.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, you're right, So I started an only fan.
Speaker 4: After that, it was pretty much all over with. Like
Speaker 4: I started the only fans, the only fans took off
Speaker 4: and started generating that that year of twenty twenty and
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one was insanity.
Speaker 3: What was the term you used earlier?
Speaker 5: Goog gobs googlebucking money? So can I ask you this though?
Speaker 5: Let me let me ask you on your mindset there.
Speaker 5: You seemed like, and I don't mean any offense by this,
Speaker 5: a girl who's ready to go. Ever since you met
Speaker 5: the husband, right, You're like, hey, but but then, why
Speaker 5: the why the hesitation.
Speaker 1: On the only fans? Like what I just again, no
Speaker 1: no judgment whatsoever. But I think that's so interesting where
Speaker 1: you're like, I'll go this far, not quite there.
Speaker 4: Yet, because in my brain there was a there was
Speaker 4: a oh my god, that's porn. Okay, well I can't.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm not putting porn out into I'm doing solo
Speaker 4: work here and that's it. And so I also thought, well,
Speaker 4: my sex life, do I really want to open that
Speaker 4: up for the world, Like, you know, do you really
Speaker 4: want to open that up for the Internet, which is
Speaker 4: the whole world forever?
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of you know.
Speaker 4: Like I I have three degrees, I'm I I'm highly educated.
Speaker 4: I you know, thought what if I want to do
Speaker 4: more with those degrees?
Speaker 2: What if I you know, And so I wasn't sure
Speaker 2: about it. There.
Speaker 4: There was just a lot going on there that I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know. And so finally, with the
Speaker 4: encouragement of my partner, it was like, well, if you're
Speaker 4: good with it, like okay, like, you know, I know
Speaker 4: if my family were to find out, because you know,
Speaker 4: at that point, I was like, well, I know, if
Speaker 4: my family finds out, like they're just gonna be like, okay,
Speaker 4: not surprised.
Speaker 2: You okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I wasn't really concerned about it. After he
Speaker 4: gave me the green light, after he was encouraging it,
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, so we ran with it.
Speaker 2: I ran with it.
Speaker 4: He wasn't really he's not really involved in my stuff
Speaker 4: at all, and so, and not not that he wouldn't be,
Speaker 4: it's just that he has a more professional position. So
Speaker 4: it's like, you handle that, I'll do this, and we
Speaker 4: have a pretty good thing here.
Speaker 2: You know, it works.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So I was a content creator after that
Speaker 4: and was hesitant to get into mainstream porn, also because
Speaker 4: I feel like I didn't I didn't need it for
Speaker 4: a long time, and also the stigma that is attached
Speaker 4: to mainstream porn even like I don't know if you
Speaker 4: ever read Jena Jenna Jamison's book, but I read that shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did not read it, but I can imagine
Speaker 1: it may have seemed rough.
Speaker 4: I encourage everyone to read it because it it gives
Speaker 4: you a little bit of history in the porn the
Speaker 4: professional porn realm.
Speaker 2: But and it was real, you know, the ship that
Speaker 2: she was going through was real.
Speaker 4: And so I read that when she put it out,
Speaker 4: and I think it was like I think maybe she
Speaker 4: put that out in like two thousand and eight, So
Speaker 4: that always stuck with me that, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: think they're doing people real right on the on these
Speaker 4: porn sets.
Speaker 1: But going I mean, having experienced somewhat slightly the industry
Speaker 1: camming later on and then maybe talking to people, interacting
Speaker 1: with people this and that, did you notice that the
Speaker 1: industry has shifted somewhat a little more pro woman or
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong?
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: You know you are absolutely not wrong. You were absolutely right.
Speaker 2: So the you know, I was just I was just
Speaker 2: telling you why I was terrified for.
Speaker 4: It, sure and hesitant because now I kick myself like
Speaker 4: I should have done this years ago.
Speaker 2: I should have fucking done this years ago.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question quick. What were
Speaker 3: your three degrees?
Speaker 4: If I can ask that, Yeah, I have a bachelor's
Speaker 4: in biology, I have a bachelor's in business, and then
Speaker 4: I have a minor in psychology.
Speaker 1: Well, the psychology and the business work. The biology is
Speaker 1: kind of the most directly related. But every time I
Speaker 1: talk to girls, I also do a separate show where
Speaker 1: I interview new girls who are coming up or just
Speaker 1: trying to start in the industry and this and that,
Speaker 1: And I always tell them like, if you're going to
Speaker 1: go to school and you want to do this, but
Speaker 1: you still want to go to school, get a marketing degree,
Speaker 1: go into business yeah sometimes yeah, market or take a
Speaker 1: minor in like video editing or production or something like that. Like,
Speaker 1: if you really want to make this a career, It's
Speaker 1: so funny to me how much of your guys work
Speaker 1: is not actually fucking.
Speaker 3: It's all the other shit, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that.
Speaker 4: That's the thing, So that that's actually it's funny you
Speaker 4: bring that up, because that is why I ended up
Speaker 4: going into mainstream porn, because I had kind of hit
Speaker 4: a cap for myself as to what I could do
Speaker 4: for myself marketing wise. I felt like I hit a
Speaker 4: cap at the end of twenty twenty three, and I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, like I'm doing good. I'm still doing good,
Speaker 4: but I want to do more. I want to be
Speaker 4: one of these million dollar girls. And so I decided, okay, well,
Speaker 4: like I had browsers knocking out my door, and so
Speaker 4: I went ahead and took the call with browsers and
Speaker 4: decided to start shooting. And I shot a couple of
Speaker 4: scenes with browsers. It was fantastic, and so I was like, okay.
Speaker 4: So at the beginning of last year, when ABN kicked
Speaker 4: off in twenty twenty four, I went and I went
Speaker 4: with plan.
Speaker 2: I went.
Speaker 4: Thinking, Okay, I'm going to get a manager, I'm going
Speaker 4: to find a fucking agent, I'm going to get an assistant.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get all of these things that I
Speaker 4: need and catapult this into another atmosphere.
Speaker 2: And that's precisely what I did.
Speaker 4: In two weeks later, I was shooting pro porn in Florida.
Speaker 4: Like the producer, this director was like, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 4: have ten scenes for you. I'm like okay, yeah, okay, yes,
Speaker 4: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: You've also worked with, though some pretty incredible, it's I
Speaker 1: don't know how to I've yet to figure out the
Speaker 1: best way to articulate this. So the mainstream performers, there's
Speaker 1: also more of your independent performers. And it used to
Speaker 1: be felt like a tear system, a little bit like
Speaker 1: you're indies, and then this it seems like it's almost
Speaker 1: leveling out as different kinds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really.
Speaker 2: Is, where she's kind of like this, actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, You've worked with someone who I think
Speaker 1: is like the best example of that, subgirl. I don't
Speaker 1: know her name. I don't know that anyone knows her name.
Speaker 1: Maybe they do, maybe.
Speaker 4: It's one well sure you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I assume,
Speaker 4: oh subgirl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not just falling that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's amazing to me how much indie performers can
Speaker 1: still stay out of the mainstream and I mean build
Speaker 1: a full business, right yeah, Oh.
Speaker 4: My god, yeah, I think for I've worked with so
Speaker 4: many people like that, She's one of them, and I
Speaker 4: briefly worked with her. I did not work with her
Speaker 4: a whole lot, but I did work with her a
Speaker 4: little bit on the Hot Wife tour. But oh man,
Speaker 4: if she's ever a web or a person that is
Speaker 4: top chier that does this indie performance and stays out
Speaker 4: of mainstream for the most part, she's one hundred percent
Speaker 4: that person, I think. Uh, I want to I want
Speaker 4: to say, also Max and Hailey Rose, like Phil's and Haley,
Speaker 4: they kind of did independent, very very indie and look
Speaker 4: at the two of them now, like, yeah, but they
Speaker 4: have since moved into pro porn.
Speaker 1: Like it's funny you say that though, because I only
Speaker 1: associate Haley I know Haley or not personally like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know her, she's a friend of mine. I know
Speaker 1: of Haley Rose, and I only associate her with just
Speaker 1: having a huge like Twitter presence, like her shit always
Speaker 1: shows up at the top of my thing and whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's amazing that they've built this, do you, But
Speaker 1: you say you do like shooting mainstream scenes still right?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 4: I and And you asked me a question earlier and
Speaker 4: I didn't really dive into it.
Speaker 2: You asked me if.
Speaker 4: If pro porn has since changed in giving the performers
Speaker 4: more more rights than what they have, And I do
Speaker 4: want to, I do wanna that because yes, absolutely, it was.
Speaker 2: Nothing like I thought it would be. It was nothing.
Speaker 4: What it was when once upon a time. Maybe it
Speaker 4: is not that now. And I think, I honestly think
Speaker 4: too that the platform of only Fans, I have a
Speaker 4: love hate relationship with that platform, as I know many
Speaker 4: of my name my colleagues do too. But it changed
Speaker 4: things for people I porn like, it changed the pro
Speaker 4: porn realm to give them to give performers just more.
Speaker 1: Agency. Is that the word? I don't know what that means?
Speaker 2: Yes, like it gave them more.
Speaker 1: Power, right, you more more decision making ability. Now you
Speaker 1: you can take that big brawser. But you know what,
Speaker 1: money wise, you don't really need it so much as
Speaker 1: much as you would have ten years ago. Something like that, right, right,
Speaker 1: So let me I'm sorry, continue, go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, so I have I mean, I love the way
Speaker 4: they treat me on these sets. I love the people
Speaker 4: I work with on them. I've never had a bad,
Speaker 4: bad day, bad situation, and so and I've been on
Speaker 4: I don't know how many. I think I shot sixty
Speaker 4: five scenes last year. So so I've never had a
Speaker 4: bad anything, well anything.
Speaker 1: Now that you mentioned numbers, we're going to do something
Speaker 1: to do on the show called stat check.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start out by saying these numbers are
Speaker 1: entirely wrong. They're not right. I say this to every
Speaker 1: woman I interview. They go okay, and then at the
Speaker 1: end of it, when I say the numbers, they go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's totally wrong.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're all we know, we know.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna fitball in here.
Speaker 1: So I'm basing this off the Internet Adult Film Database,
Speaker 1: which is almost like IMDb, the Internet Movie Database, and
Speaker 1: it kind of tracks most of your main or all
Speaker 1: of your mainstream stuff, a lot of the mini bids
Speaker 1: or this and that other things. So when I say
Speaker 1: this numbers, these numbers here, they're gonna be wrong because
Speaker 1: you just said something that blows it out of the water. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So number of okay, but we use this as a milestone.
Speaker 1: So when I have you on a year from now
Speaker 1: and you have fifty AVN awards and you're like this
Speaker 1: queen and blah blah blah blah blah, even more of
Speaker 1: a queen, I apologize. We can look back and go, oh,
Speaker 1: remember when on your record you only had blank blank blank.
Speaker 1: So number of scenes I have is forty eight. That's
Speaker 1: why I know the numbers are wrong. You just said
Speaker 1: sixty five.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: Number of scenes is forty eight. Number of guys you've
Speaker 1: worked with is fifty one. Number of girls you've worked
Speaker 1: with is twenty four. According to this, no AVN nominations yet,
Speaker 1: and no AVN wins. Now's your turn to tell me
Speaker 1: those numbers are totally wrong. Those numbers are wrong, Okay.
Speaker 4: I think actually the one that might actually be correct
Speaker 4: is the number of women I've worked with. Well, I
Speaker 4: don't know. So are these pro scenes that they're talking
Speaker 4: about that women in pros.
Speaker 1: This is probably like it's a website that's been around
Speaker 1: for twenty years, but it's probably built by a guy
Speaker 1: like in a basement in Thailand, like putting it together.
Speaker 1: So don't don't sweat it. I wouldn't be like they
Speaker 1: don't have credit. No, they don't have credit for a
Speaker 1: bunch of years.
Speaker 4: I think it's probably less actually in the women that
Speaker 4: I've worked with in the pro world.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I have.
Speaker 4: Definitely it's more men and it's more scenes for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: But no no avn noums yet and no no awards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're working on We're gonna fucking get there.
Speaker 3: Does that mean a lot to you or no? An award?
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't. It just kind of validates you, I think,
Speaker 4: you know. So, while I don't feel like I know
Speaker 4: what I'm putting out and I'm happy with it and
Speaker 4: it's gaining dry and I'm fine with that. But of
Speaker 4: course it's always nice to be told, dude, you took
Speaker 4: that dick soak, you were the best one. You took
Speaker 4: that dick the best I don't hear that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations, congratulations you took that dick so much better
Speaker 1: than all the other ladies who took dick this year.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: You said something before that I wanted to touch on. You
Speaker 1: said love hate relationship with OnlyFans. Now you are not
Speaker 1: I understand none of the independent channels. You've already gone
Speaker 1: through again and again, how much they've given women in
Speaker 1: this industry, the independent channels not just only fans fansly
Speaker 1: many bids, blah blah. It's great to have your own outlet,
Speaker 1: to be able to publish things, yes, but the love
Speaker 1: hate what is the hate part? What can these things
Speaker 1: do to be more friendly towards women, because they're already
Speaker 1: doing a great job of giving you the ability, But
Speaker 1: now how can they take some of the chains off?
Speaker 1: What is something that really bothers you about them?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say women, I'd say create, I'd say fair
Speaker 4: creators in general. I have I've seen the blue and whiteside.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say it out logs. I don't
Speaker 4: want them to come for me.
Speaker 3: That's that's why I was trying to disperse it. Independent
Speaker 3: channel I've seen.
Speaker 4: In particular, just do creator so dirty? Like I mean,
Speaker 4: kick them off? For things that are not clear in
Speaker 4: the tos or there was like there was one person
Speaker 4: in particular who had their only who.
Speaker 3: Had their their their channel some.
Speaker 4: Income suspended and it was because you know, we're allowed
Speaker 4: to our Twitter in the bio and they were linking
Speaker 4: their Twitter, which their Twitter had some stuff on it
Speaker 4: that that mentioned, uh, high end escorting.
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to.
Speaker 3: See that on it? Yeah? You said whatever you want. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're totally So.
Speaker 4: They had that on their on their Twitter and they
Speaker 4: suspended their account because of that. Now, how is that
Speaker 4: breaking the toos? They're talking about that on the site
Speaker 4: on on Why is it a problem when your bots
Speaker 4: can go in and read the freaking twitter and see
Speaker 4: what's on the twitter, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: That's how I got my strike on YouTube. I did
Speaker 1: not tell anyone to go anywhere. I said, you may
Speaker 1: know my next guest Andy Anderson from blank blank blank
Speaker 1: dot com. And they took the transcript and put a
Speaker 1: link to it, and then they went, oh, you're linking pornography.
Speaker 1: You get a strike now. So that is why I
Speaker 1: am dancing around telling people to check you out at
Speaker 1: the site. We all know what it is at and
Speaker 1: D five A and d E five. Make sure you
Speaker 1: check her out. You know, I understand one aspect of it.
Speaker 1: They they don't want that on their site because there's
Speaker 1: legal ramifications blah blah blah blah whatever. I get that,
Speaker 1: But the linking thing, you're right, they need to be
Speaker 1: more clear about that. I don't know if I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to put a Twitter account in uh the YouTube bio,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if when they go to Andy
Speaker 1: Anderson's Twitter, giant beautiful breasts are going to be there
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Like that, They're gonna see my butt hole.
Speaker 1: And lucky for everyone who clicks that, let me, let
Speaker 1: me dive into some of the content. And so, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you could only shoot one niche the rest of
Speaker 1: your career, say, you are getting pigeonholed, but it's going
Speaker 1: to equate to tons of money. Most girls go, I
Speaker 1: like shooting everything, and I totally respect that. I understand.
Speaker 1: But if there was one thing that you are just
Speaker 1: in love with doing, shooting whatever type of niche or
Speaker 1: kink or whatever it is, what is something you would
Speaker 1: want to dive into forever if you were forced to do.
Speaker 4: That, That's a good question, I would probably say, because.
Speaker 2: I don't know I would probably say the stepmommy stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, the milf content is what I would probably
Speaker 4: stick with.
Speaker 2: Just because.
Speaker 4: I have found that it's such a it's not it
Speaker 4: is a niche, but it's not really because I think all.
Speaker 2: Men that were once younger.
Speaker 4: Grow up having this fetish about, you know, mils, about
Speaker 4: these women that are a little bit older. They have
Speaker 4: fake breasts, they whatever, they you know, are more experienced
Speaker 4: than the girls their age, so on and so forth,
Speaker 4: and then they actually get to that age where they're
Speaker 4: the same age as the MILFs, and they're still into
Speaker 4: the MILFs. Sure, so I feel like it's such a
Speaker 4: broad age range that you're not having to hit. It's
Speaker 4: not really a niche. It's a genre, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure. Really, Yeah, so that's what I would stick with,
Speaker 4: I think because it's fun. It's fun the film, like.
Speaker 2: You know, and it's never gonna I'm never gonna age
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: Sure, well gonna hit you'll age into the guilf category eventually,
Speaker 1: but I think you got to hit like seventy five
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully by then, I'm no longer hopeful by then,
Speaker 4: my buttholes no longer fresh on the internet.
Speaker 3: You know, let's and.
Speaker 2: No hate, no hate to my guilfs. Dude, no noy
Speaker 2: to my gilfs.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you a quick, quick, quick story. I
Speaker 1: interviewed someone the other day. I will not say who
Speaker 1: it is. And if anyone's listening to this and they go, oh,
Speaker 1: is it this episode he released, I will not release
Speaker 1: that episode. Actually it's a shame I was. I was
Speaker 1: having not a good time with her. She's actually kind
Speaker 1: of a led in a specific niche. But whatever, I'm
Speaker 1: having a decent time talk. But the whole time she's
Speaker 1: just complaining. She's like, I don't get booked anywhere. I
Speaker 1: never get booked. And it's like, oh, your attitude's not great,
Speaker 1: but it's I never get booked. I never get booked.
Speaker 3: D da da da da da da. Then it ends
Speaker 3: and she's like, that was good. That was nice.
Speaker 1: She goes, I just never get booked anywhere. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I go, well, you used to direct a lot you
Speaker 1: She complained the entire episode. Younger girls coming in the
Speaker 1: industry just work for free. No one wants to booked
Speaker 1: me because of the there's all these younger girls. So
Speaker 1: in my head, I go, well, you used to direct
Speaker 1: a lot of videos and a lot of scenes. And
Speaker 1: going back to the times you were talking about the
Speaker 1: Jenna Jamison times, why not try and bring along some
Speaker 1: of these younger people shoot the content, do this and that.
Speaker 1: She flips on me. She starts yelling, no one wants
Speaker 1: unsolicited advice. You need to shut up. Go ahead, just
Speaker 1: give me more. And I just went, you know what,
Speaker 1: fuck this, I'm out of here. Can I ask is
Speaker 1: there anyone that has helped you ment or? It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be this lady, by the way, Has anyone helped you mentor?
Speaker 1: And I won't give the name. I'll tell you after
Speaker 1: if you want, but no one else? Has anyone helped
Speaker 1: you like mentor? In this industry? Do you have anyone
Speaker 1: that you've kind of looked up to? And so many
Speaker 1: times I see women come on the independent circuit and
Speaker 1: then mainstream and then there's someone they and it's not
Speaker 1: a negative thing, but they're like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: person is like my oh, she's my jewels. She's so helpful,
Speaker 1: she works on scenes with me. Do you have anyone
Speaker 1: like that? It's okay if you don't, so.
Speaker 4: I I'll tell you, honestly, someone that I can credit
Speaker 4: to kind of mentoring me through this journey is Max Fill's.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I know that's.
Speaker 4: Really an odd thing to say, but if I ever
Speaker 4: needed any Max and I had great chemistry from jump,
Speaker 4: not only as shoe shoe partners, but also just it's
Speaker 4: really and so I can I can even now go
Speaker 4: to Max and be like, hey, what's up with this?
Speaker 2: Or do you know about this?
Speaker 4: And he'll help me through it and so, and especially
Speaker 4: in the pro realm, like he had anything I needed,
Speaker 4: anything I could ask I I.
Speaker 2: Went to him with and he's helped me.
Speaker 4: There were a lot yeah yeah, so and then as
Speaker 4: far as like I also, our social media goes too,
Speaker 4: Like I didn't know. All I was doing was social
Speaker 4: media either, no idea getting into this. And there was
Speaker 4: someone that mentored me. Her name's Ona Artist and she.
Speaker 2: Was not.
Speaker 4: She's not a porn star. She blew up as an
Speaker 4: Instagram girl. She was on she had her own website
Speaker 4: for a long time and she was doing webcam on website.
Speaker 2: I was watching.
Speaker 4: Vice Viceland one night and she just happened to be
Speaker 4: on this episode of slut Her. And this was back
Speaker 4: in like I don't know twenty seventeen or something like this.
Speaker 2: I'm watching this.
Speaker 4: A couple years later, when I started getting into the
Speaker 4: sex industry, I immediately remembered her, followed her, and she
Speaker 4: was selling this course for how to become a large
Speaker 4: Instagram model, and so I thought, I need to do
Speaker 4: that because I have no idea what I'm and so
Speaker 4: I ended up buying the course.
Speaker 2: But then she ended up helping me through so much.
Speaker 4: And that also there was a lot of girls in there,
Speaker 4: like all in there together, and we were able to learn.
Speaker 4: Everybody kind of knew a little bit. They brought something
Speaker 4: to the table. Everybody brought something to the table from
Speaker 4: one thing or another. And early on I had learned
Speaker 4: the ropes on sex fanther how to work sex fanther
Speaker 4: really well, and so that was kind of what I
Speaker 4: brought to the table and was teaching people. And so
Speaker 4: I learned a lot from her and from that group too.
Speaker 1: Everything I've heard, I'm going to specify the difference. Everything
Speaker 1: I've heard about the back room of a strip club,
Speaker 1: not the VIP room. The dancer room is just girls
Speaker 1: going at each other's throats with razor blades, wanting to
Speaker 1: fight Da da da, And then everything I've heard in
Speaker 1: the porn industry is all of you women are somewhat
Speaker 1: helpful to each other and willing to give advice or
Speaker 1: willing to do this and that and whatever. It's what
Speaker 1: does that? Is there just enough business around? Do you
Speaker 1: ever feel like, oh, I'm competing and you don't have
Speaker 1: to say names. Do you ever feel like I'm competing
Speaker 1: with this person, I'm whatever, or you just build yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not feel like I'm competing. But I'm
Speaker 2: not like that ever. I've never been like that. My
Speaker 2: whole life felt like I was competing with anybody.
Speaker 4: And so I think I think that quality and mentality.
Speaker 4: I am not fighting for my life here. I also
Speaker 4: think because I was older getting into this, I'm not
Speaker 4: there's not forty there's not forty thousand mills. There's a
Speaker 4: couple of us that can do the job.
Speaker 3: Well, sure, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 4: We're not fighting for In fact, I'm I'm so excited
Speaker 4: for this scene on Wednesday, La on Sunday, And sorry
Speaker 4: if I got super loud.
Speaker 2: Did I blow your ear pods?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, You're totally good.
Speaker 4: No, You're I actually get to start alongside uh Cherie
Speaker 4: Deville and Rachelle Ryan.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's yeah, Cherry Deville has become the
Speaker 1: face of angry. Didn't she do the ads at the
Speaker 1: beginning of when they were banning porn across the country.
Speaker 1: I thought she was the face of porn hub that
Speaker 1: was like, you need the ID check man. There was
Speaker 1: probably a lot of dudes who looked at her and
Speaker 1: were just like, I'll just beat.
Speaker 3: It to this. I don't give a fuck yet, Yeah.
Speaker 2: What are you selling? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm I've worked with Rashelle before for content uh,
Speaker 4: and I was kind of starstruck then and so now
Speaker 4: I'm just super excited to work with those two.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask you. Do you
Speaker 1: get starstruck at all? It sounds like you do, but
Speaker 1: like when what does it though? Is it someone that
Speaker 1: you know is like a phenomenal performer. Is it someone
Speaker 1: with a huge presence, Like what really gets you? Is
Speaker 1: it someone that like I used to search her and
Speaker 1: now and get to fuck her?
Speaker 4: So there are there is some of that element to
Speaker 4: it where it's like, oh my god, I watched this
Speaker 4: person ten years ago.
Speaker 2: But I think it's.
Speaker 4: It's where they're at in their career that I'm like,
Speaker 4: I want to do, I want to be there. So
Speaker 4: it's really it's really truly the people that have their
Speaker 4: shit together on the end, that are doing so well
Speaker 4: that I'm like, that's my ment, That's who I want
Speaker 4: to be in my life, that's who I want to
Speaker 4: work besides. So, yeah, it's not so much huge presence
Speaker 4: or anything like that. I've never I've never really cared
Speaker 4: about that type of thing, not that that doesn't play
Speaker 4: a part, of course, but it's the people that are
Speaker 4: just fucking on it, that are killing it that that's
Speaker 4: what I want to That's what I want to do,
Speaker 4: That's what I want to be. So so to be
Speaker 4: able to work with two people that I know for
Speaker 4: sure hit that is really super exciting.
Speaker 1: I asked you before a trend or thing you really like,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, what is a niche, a
Speaker 1: trend to cank whatever. I used to call this game
Speaker 1: sack and it was it stood for shit animals. Kids,
Speaker 1: we're taking those out of the equation. Anytime I would
Speaker 1: ask a girl this question, they would go, well, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know do this with a kid.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, if you would, I wouldn't want to talk to
Speaker 1: you anymore. What is something that's in the adult world
Speaker 1: but you just don't really have any interest in pursuing
Speaker 1: like a kink and a fetish or a genre, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, race play.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a great one.
Speaker 1: And I always when I asked that other question, a
Speaker 1: lot of women just going nothing at all. I'll do
Speaker 1: it all, I'll do anything. And that's my comeback. I go,
Speaker 1: how about race play? And they go, oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not that, no.
Speaker 3: No no.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's real funny.
Speaker 4: And the reason this isn't my brain right now currently
Speaker 4: is because I was working. I was doing video chats
Speaker 4: at like six o'clock in the morning and I was
Speaker 4: on sex Panther and I had the sky on a
Speaker 4: video chat and he was wanted to do race play
Speaker 4: and I'm like I She's like, no, it's fine, say it.
Speaker 2: I'm into it. And I was like, I'm not, Like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not no sure.
Speaker 1: Like I've interviewed black performers before, female and male, and
Speaker 1: I've gotten both answers. I've gotten from women. Avery Jane
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal performer and she has told me, you know,
Speaker 1: no chance, Like I'll fucking take your head off if
Speaker 1: you even you know.
Speaker 3: And I get that.
Speaker 1: And I've talked to Anna Fox, Anna Fox, however you
Speaker 1: say her damn name. She's a legend, right, I got
Speaker 1: it wrong throughout the entire episode. By the way, when
Speaker 1: I talk to her about it, and she's very vocal
Speaker 1: about race relations and this and that online totally great.
Speaker 1: But when I talked to her about it, she goes,
Speaker 1: he has a performance, Like maybe she's changed since then,
Speaker 1: and if fine, that's totally acceptable. But she's like, it's
Speaker 1: a performance at whatever. I've interviewed John Legendary, who's a
Speaker 1: great performer, and he has told me, yo, I'm fucking
Speaker 1: this girl.
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit what she says to me,
Speaker 3: like if she wants to call me whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's always a weird line because like, for sure,
Speaker 1: you're a performer, someone is paying you for the performance.
Speaker 1: If it's a black gentleman and they want it, part
Speaker 1: of me goes like, not that you should do it
Speaker 1: at all, it's your comfort, But part of me is like,
Speaker 1: is it okay because he wants it and it's part
Speaker 1: of the performance. I think that's for African American people
Speaker 1: to determine for themselves. I don't think I should be
Speaker 1: the one really pointing that out. I commend you for
Speaker 1: not doing it, unless, of course, Lex Steel came around
Speaker 1: and wanted it. Then I'd be like, and I know
Speaker 1: I've seen you've worked with him before, but I would
Speaker 1: be like if you were my wife and Lex Steel
Speaker 1: came to you and was like, hey, Lex, some rays
Speaker 1: play and you're like, I'm not comfortable, I'd go Andy, please,
Speaker 1: he's a legend. Just call him whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: Please. But I understand and respect it.
Speaker 4: I just I you know, I feel like I've always
Speaker 4: grown up with you know that that whole the word and.
Speaker 2: Everything is just it's base. It was.
Speaker 4: It was born in based hate. And I still feel
Speaker 4: that way, you know. So so it's a word that
Speaker 4: I just and I know it's like any other kink.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you have you have the guys
Speaker 4: that lost their jobs in two thousand and seven and
Speaker 4: went from being an executive executive that was making a
Speaker 4: million dollars a year to losing their jobs and they
Speaker 4: lost everything. The pay pigk kink came from that. Really,
Speaker 4: that's where it fucking came from I didn't think about it.
Speaker 4: We didn't hear about pay pigs before that, did you know.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I never considered that before. That
Speaker 1: is really insightful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it stems from people just leaning into things that
Speaker 4: could have been a trauma. Was probably a trauma, and
Speaker 4: this is this is I'm into this.
Speaker 2: So I get it. I understand it.
Speaker 4: But as a performer, uh, and I get I also
Speaker 4: understand inside with what she was saying. As being a performer,
Speaker 4: I get that, And I no hate to anybody that's
Speaker 4: comfortable with that.
Speaker 1: I'm just not, you know, totally get it, totally get it.
Speaker 1: Anything else that you wouldn't want to dive into any
Speaker 1: other kind of niche genre, fetish, anything like that.
Speaker 4: I'm not into the little fetish, you know, like the
Speaker 4: very it's they're called the littles, and is that when good?
Speaker 4: It's really it's the girls that are super young. They're
Speaker 4: like nineteen twenty and they're playing super.
Speaker 3: Young girls, right. Sure.
Speaker 4: So that's one thing that I want to avoid, especially
Speaker 4: as a MILF, because they'll try and cast me with
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I just I don't because then we're on.
Speaker 4: Average of like you know, it's distasteful to me.
Speaker 3: You so are you?
Speaker 1: You're comfortable with age play, You're not comfortable with it
Speaker 1: being painted so low?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm comfortable with age play because I'm a
Speaker 4: milf and I'm obviously you know milf stuff is with
Speaker 4: cubs and all that.
Speaker 2: I'm always someone's step mom.
Speaker 3: But I'm always someone's step mom.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 4: But when the girls are being casted as like eleven twelve, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's crazy. No that I want to avoid that one too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's smart. That would fall into like
Speaker 1: the SEC category for me. Sorry, I had a little
Speaker 1: technical issue there. Just so we know, I'm speaking to
Speaker 1: Andy Anderson at Andy five. You know where you can
Speaker 1: find her links in the episode description. So let me
Speaker 1: talk about the content moving forward. What you said the
Speaker 1: scene you're doing Rachelle Ryan and Cherry Deville awesome. Do
Speaker 1: you have anything else you want to tackle on the horizon?
Speaker 1: Have you have you shot a gang bang yet, like
Speaker 1: a like a real you solo gang bang, like I'm pro,
Speaker 1: like pro or just whatever?
Speaker 3: Can I find content of you gang bang?
Speaker 2: Back in September for content?
Speaker 4: And at the time, I was really proud of it
Speaker 4: because it was something I hadn't done. Now looking back
Speaker 4: on it, it was kind of a shit show. Not
Speaker 4: because of the not because of the male talent. They
Speaker 4: were all fucking awesome, amazing, and not because of me.
Speaker 2: It was just it was just not shot.
Speaker 4: Sure, great, So I want to go back to that
Speaker 4: and kind of polish do another one, polish it up
Speaker 4: a little.
Speaker 1: But yeah, are you shooting these or do you have
Speaker 1: a guy you bring in to shoot for you?
Speaker 2: Yea, I know I have people shoot for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, cool, cool? Cool?
Speaker 1: So what are you going to to try and tackle differently?
Speaker 1: Is it just light and no offense? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it was, you know, it just confusion? But is
Speaker 1: it lit wrong? Is it just angles?
Speaker 3: Not great?
Speaker 4: The audio was kind of a mess. Yeah, the angles
Speaker 4: weren't great. There's also like it was a roaming camera
Speaker 4: and when you're trying to I don't know, when you're
Speaker 4: trying to film a gang bang, like you really it
Speaker 4: has to be thought out a little more, really, And
Speaker 4: I think I was just like, okay, free for all,
Speaker 4: let's go, because I didn't you know, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: don't know what I'm doing here to you guys.
Speaker 2: No, Okay, let's just I got two holes.
Speaker 4: Let's go three three, I can't agree, Oh, let's go.
Speaker 4: You know it was a mess, so uh and my camera,
Speaker 4: my camera guy did great. Like I said, you just
Speaker 4: you have to go in with the plank of Okay, guys,
Speaker 4: we're going to go here and we're going to do this,
Speaker 4: and and the camera guy is gonna stay here, like
Speaker 4: you just really have to think about that. And we
Speaker 4: did not, and it's okay, Like still made us some
Speaker 4: good money.
Speaker 1: Like again, we go back to I go back to
Speaker 1: angry Twitter guy writing at you from some basement somewhere
Speaker 1: going All she does is she just gets fucked on
Speaker 1: camera and that's how she makes all her money. You
Speaker 1: just described to me that a shot list has to
Speaker 1: be designed for this entire thing. Do you know how
Speaker 1: intensive that is? And plus, by the way, you're going
Speaker 1: to be on your back the whole time, so how
Speaker 1: are you you know? Yeah? It just uh, the respect
Speaker 1: I have on a business level and a production level
Speaker 1: for performers has only grown since I've talked to them,
Speaker 1: because I, you know, incorrectly, I came into doing this
Speaker 1: talking to beautiful women who have sex for a living
Speaker 1: and go, oh, your life must be so great and
Speaker 1: your life is great, but it's not as easy as
Speaker 1: it sounds.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: I I had corporate jobs. I worked for FEMA. I've
Speaker 4: do for FEMA for years. The hardest job I've ever
Speaker 4: had is this one. I do the most work being
Speaker 4: foreign star than I've ever done work. You know, I
Speaker 4: went to college. I was a stripper when I was
Speaker 4: in college. I was also a cheerleader, did not sleep.
Speaker 4: And I work harder now than I thought it then,
Speaker 4: So like, oh, no one will ever understand. They just think,
Speaker 4: you know, oh we're terrible. People were just on our
Speaker 4: back and that's not and it's not true. True, it's
Speaker 4: not true. Yeah they're working at a weapons manufacturing plant.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah. If you don't have.
Speaker 2: Business sense, you will not make it in this industry.
Speaker 3: I've asked this before. Do you who do you?
Speaker 1: And it's just a great example of hard work in
Speaker 1: this industry. Who do you think makes more money? A
Speaker 1: ten out of ten with no social media sense? We're
Speaker 1: a seven out of ten who knows how to work
Speaker 1: the algorithm?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the seven out of ten every time?
Speaker 3: Right out of ten.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have seen girls that are not the prettiest girls.
Speaker 4: And these girls are out there making millions of dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know I mean going into that like people
Speaker 4: can talk all the shit they want. Some of the
Speaker 4: smartest people I've ever seen are in this industry.
Speaker 2: Let's go to ammer ant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so she doesn't she doesn't do she doesn't
Speaker 4: shoot pro porn.
Speaker 2: She's not truly in the porn industry.
Speaker 4: I think she does solo work on her of Okay,
Speaker 4: but still that is something sure, and look at what
Speaker 4: she's done, like, look at the things that she continues
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 2: She is incredibly intelligent.
Speaker 4: And yeah there is there's a whole team and there
Speaker 4: of course we know, but she started that on her own.
Speaker 1: Like the team doesn't show up. They don't knock on
Speaker 1: the door one day and go, oh andy, do you
Speaker 1: want to be a superstar now?
Speaker 3: Or you have to build up to that team. Right, So.
Speaker 2: People can say what they want to say.
Speaker 4: But like I said, some of the most intelligent people
Speaker 4: are in this industry.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. Willman ask last
Speaker 1: question here? Then I have a quick little social media
Speaker 1: thing for you. But last question, what is the future?
Speaker 1: Where do you see this going? Do you have a
Speaker 1: dollar amount you want to get to? Do you have
Speaker 1: a number of scenes? Do you have an age? Do
Speaker 1: you see an endgame? Or you like I said earlier
Speaker 1: going to be on the cover of Guilf Hunter sixty five,
Speaker 1: like when do you want to get out?
Speaker 3: If you do want to get out, do you have
Speaker 3: a metric?
Speaker 2: So I don't have an age that I want to
Speaker 2: get out. I just.
Speaker 4: There is burnout at some point. There is, because it's
Speaker 4: like I'll tell you. And I was talking to my
Speaker 4: husband about this earlier today because he, oh, I make
Speaker 4: really good money on sex at their menks. I make
Speaker 4: really good money and it's video chatting and sexteen and
Speaker 4: he said, look, you need to work that into the ground.
Speaker 3: When you're home.
Speaker 2: You need to be working that. Because I had just
Speaker 2: told him.
Speaker 4: I came downstairs and I told him how much money
Speaker 4: I made on it, and he was like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 4: Like you need to be working not as much as
Speaker 4: you can in your home. And I'm like, look, but
Speaker 4: here's the thing. Yes, you're right, I should, but I
Speaker 4: I let's think about this when I'm home. I typically
Speaker 4: i'm two weeks home, two weeks gone, and so in
Speaker 4: the two weeks that I'm home, I'm diddling myself on camera.
Speaker 4: I have to shoot content scenes and then I also
Speaker 4: have to have my own personal sex. So then you know,
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna fly off to LA on Sunday and
Speaker 4: I'm shooting every day, sometimes twice a day while I'm gone.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's you know, I could I could see
Speaker 1: his point if you had a metric, if you guys
Speaker 1: were like, once we get to ten million, we can
Speaker 1: both retire and be out then. And also, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's not his holes that he's telling you to, you know,
Speaker 1: or he's not having to do it. It would probably
Speaker 1: be a little bit different if he had this sex
Speaker 1: with guys on that and no, nope, yeah go ahead.
Speaker 2: And I told him, like, you know, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit different. I know guys could sit there.
Speaker 4: I know guys can sit there a mole for fucking
Speaker 4: twenty hours a day. I was like, it's different. You're
Speaker 4: not putting stuff inside your body, like, it's different. We
Speaker 4: we burn out, you know. And so I don't necessarily
Speaker 4: have a number or an age. I think it's just
Speaker 4: when I decide that oh shit, okay, I'm there is
Speaker 4: going to be a point where X is getting to
Speaker 4: be mundane and I never want that.
Speaker 2: And so when I start to feel.
Speaker 4: That, that's my that popping point, right.
Speaker 2: So what I plan to do prior to that.
Speaker 4: I think within the next probably two years, I'm going
Speaker 4: to start on Twitch or on kick and start streaming,
Speaker 4: and I, you know, like, I'm funny enough and I'm
Speaker 4: creative enough to.
Speaker 2: To pull people in on that.
Speaker 4: So start doing that and kind of doing a little
Speaker 4: bit of cosplay stuff and kind of move on segue
Speaker 4: I think into that and into YouTube. So my husband
Speaker 4: has always pushed for years and years and years because
Speaker 4: I've managed my own OnlyFans for a long time, and
Speaker 4: he's like, I think that you should manage some of
Speaker 4: these girls. And I'm like, fuck that. Have you met
Speaker 4: any of these girls?
Speaker 3: No, you know, it's so funny. I like that.
Speaker 1: If you remember my story from earlier, he gave you
Speaker 1: some unsolicited advice that you should manage girls, and you
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