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Speaker 1: Andy Anderson my guest for the evening. You know exactly

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where you can find her at Andy five. Make sure

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you support creators who come on the show. Andy, thank

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you so much for coming on with me tonight.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So right off the bat, let's do the boring hack interview.

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Oh you've heard this a million times question? How did

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you cross over from vanilla life into whatever form of

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the adult entertainment industry? Maybe some sexual stuff outside of

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normal life, Like when did you first make that switch

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in your life?

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Speaker 3: If you will h.

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Speaker 4: So, my husband and I have always been very open

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with our not I wouldn't say open, I guess open

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minded with our sexuality.

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Speaker 2: It was a conversation we had.

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Speaker 4: From the beginning, and so we kind of started there.

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I was always bisexual and it was actually a conversation

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that I had with him on our first date, like, look,

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I'm bisexual. It's something I have to have. It's it's

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not just a desire, it's a need. So I need

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you to be on board with it. And if you're not,

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like you should probably take.

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Speaker 2: A hike now.

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Speaker 1: So, so there was no because the story you always

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hear sometimes is the guy really pushing like you know

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what if we had a threesome, you know, hey, that'd

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be interesting. That wasn't the case in your situation. You

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were the one that presented right up front, like, hey,

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one on one for the rest of our lives, probably

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ain't gonna cut it, because I need some women in

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here too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So I actually told him on that date too,

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like because I was I was.

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Speaker 2: Thirty years old at that point, and I was.

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Speaker 4: Coming to the realization that I needed to be non

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monogamous because I was hurting people and you know, I

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would get into these relationships and they'd be great and

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then I'd get bored. And I know I'm not the

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only person guilty of that, Okay, So so in that exploration,

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you know, some people got hurt and I feel really

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terrible about it still, but it was a journey and

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I started realizing, Okay, I don't think I can be

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in a relationship where I am monogamous.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't work for me.

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Speaker 4: But then I was like, oh my god, I'm never

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going to find a person that's like down with that.

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Speaker 2: So I had been single for about a year.

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Speaker 4: And met my husband, and yeah, we chatted for a

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long time because we didn't live in the same state.

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So we chatted for a long time after we had initially.

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Speaker 2: Met, and.

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Speaker 4: Finally when we went on the first date, we were

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having such a great time, and I was like, look,

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this date's going amazing. But there's some things you got

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to know, like I need women. I have to have that.

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You need to be okay with that. And honestly, I

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think I'm moving.

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Speaker 2: Into non monogamy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that looks like for me because

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I've never ventured that with another person.

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Speaker 2: So if you're open to something like that in the future,

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it doesn't need to be now, but maybe later. And

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he was like, okay, yes.

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Speaker 4: So from then on we started going to sex clubs

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occasionally and kind of dipping our toe in there, and

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finally it got to a point where we were just

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very comfortable sexually with other people together. Played separately at

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this point in time and twenty nineteen, I had a

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girlfriend who was making like insane amounts of money on

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Snapchat Wow as a snap Premium.

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Speaker 2: Model, and I was like, Oh, let me try it.

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Speaker 4: It's like, I'm sure I could make a little you

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know that was an extra dollars a month or something

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like that, and that first year, I was making insane,

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insane amounts of money as a Snapchat model. So then

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it got into oh twenty happen, and when COVID happened,

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you know, we were all out of a job, sure,

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most of us, so that included myself, and I thought,

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let me try my hand at camming, like, let me,

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let me try this. We were not hard, but just

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wanted something else to do. And my husband was kind

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of into it. He was like, oh, this is hot,

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Like I'm down to Yeah, I'm done to watch this.

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So I started camming, and at first I wasn't doing

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very good because you have to build your clientele. Yeah,

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like you know, the first month is discouraging when you're

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a new when you're a new webcam model, because and

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you have no following anywhere else, because you have to

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sit there for free for hours, and you have to

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show people your personality and your body and all of

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these things. And then you build up a clientele and

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then they come in and start tipping you. So my husband,

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come to find out years later, I didn't know this.

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Speaker 2: My I'd be upstairs.

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Speaker 4: Camming, my husband would be downstairs watching me, and there

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would be this whale that would come into the room,

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and he would spend Googles the fucking money to start

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getting the room going, and it would work every time,

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come and out.

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Speaker 3: That was my husband. That's that's love.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you're listening, if you're listening out there,

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go into your wife's bugging either premium Snapchat or her

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cameraom and start tipping it. Hey, why aren't more people

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tipping in here? Start commenting that. That is so funny.

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Speaker 3: That's like.

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Speaker 1: That's like if I went on Reddit and I was like,

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by the way, have you heard this new podcast? It's

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pretty interesting. But then other people are like, yo, okay,

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I'll give it a listen. They don't do that for me.

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They just go like, hey, fuck this guy, get.

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Speaker 3: Them out of here. So that is so oh, that's

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so funny. And it worked. That worked.

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Speaker 4: It worked, so he would come in and spend all

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this money, and then people started just catching on and

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spending money, and so within three months, I was a

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top model on Chatterbabe. Then of course my fans were

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pressing and pressing for an OnlyFans and.

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Speaker 1: I'll can I say that you can say what you pay?

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I'm so sorry, Yeah, you're totally fine. You were one

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hundred percent fine.

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Speaker 2: To say it okay.

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Speaker 4: So they were like, you need an OnlyFans and I

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was like, oh no, I share enough of my sexuality

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with you guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think so no.

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Speaker 4: Well then my husband of course, is like, maybe you

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should try that, like it might be another you know,

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revenue stream. And I was like, I have no idea

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what I'm doing, Like I don't know how to film

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a video, edit a video. I don't know any of

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that stuff. And he's like, well you'd learn real fast.

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I'm like, well, you're right, So I started an only fan.

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After that, it was pretty much all over with. Like

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I started the only fans, the only fans took off

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and started generating that that year of twenty twenty and

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twenty twenty one was insanity.

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Speaker 3: What was the term you used earlier?

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Speaker 5: Goog gobs googlebucking money? So can I ask you this though?

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Let me let me ask you on your mindset there.

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You seemed like, and I don't mean any offense by this,

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a girl who's ready to go. Ever since you met

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the husband, right, You're like, hey, but but then, why

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the why the hesitation.

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Speaker 1: On the only fans? Like what I just again, no

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no judgment whatsoever. But I think that's so interesting where

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you're like, I'll go this far, not quite there.

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Speaker 4: Yet, because in my brain there was a there was

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a oh my god, that's porn. Okay, well I can't.

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I'm I'm not putting porn out into I'm doing solo

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work here and that's it. And so I also thought, well,

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my sex life, do I really want to open that

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up for the world, Like, you know, do you really

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want to open that up for the Internet, which is

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the whole world forever?

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Speaker 2: And so that was kind of you know.

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Speaker 4: Like I I have three degrees, I'm I I'm highly educated.

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I you know, thought what if I want to do

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more with those degrees?

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Speaker 2: What if I you know, And so I wasn't sure

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about it. There.

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Speaker 4: There was just a lot going on there that I

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was like, I don't know. And so finally, with the

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encouragement of my partner, it was like, well, if you're

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good with it, like okay, like, you know, I know

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if my family were to find out, because you know,

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at that point, I was like, well, I know, if

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my family finds out, like they're just gonna be like, okay,

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not surprised.

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Speaker 2: You okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I wasn't really concerned about it. After he

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gave me the green light, after he was encouraging it,

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I was like, okay, so we ran with it.

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Speaker 2: I ran with it.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't really he's not really involved in my stuff

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at all, and so, and not not that he wouldn't be,

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it's just that he has a more professional position. So

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it's like, you handle that, I'll do this, and we

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have a pretty good thing here.

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Speaker 2: You know, it works.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, So I was a content creator after that

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and was hesitant to get into mainstream porn, also because

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I feel like I didn't I didn't need it for

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a long time, and also the stigma that is attached

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to mainstream porn even like I don't know if you

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ever read Jena Jenna Jamison's book, but I read that shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I did not read it, but I can imagine

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it may have seemed rough.

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Speaker 4: I encourage everyone to read it because it it gives

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you a little bit of history in the porn the

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professional porn realm.

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Speaker 2: But and it was real, you know, the ship that

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she was going through was real.

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Speaker 4: And so I read that when she put it out,

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and I think it was like I think maybe she

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put that out in like two thousand and eight, So

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that always stuck with me that, you know, I don't

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think they're doing people real right on the on these

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porn sets.

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Speaker 1: But going I mean, having experienced somewhat slightly the industry

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camming later on and then maybe talking to people, interacting

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with people this and that, did you notice that the

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industry has shifted somewhat a little more pro woman or

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maybe I'm wrong?

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Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: You know you are absolutely not wrong. You were absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: So the you know, I was just I was just

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telling you why I was terrified for.

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Speaker 4: It, sure and hesitant because now I kick myself like

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I should have done this years ago.

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Speaker 2: I should have fucking done this years ago.

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question quick. What were

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your three degrees?

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Speaker 4: If I can ask that, Yeah, I have a bachelor's

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in biology, I have a bachelor's in business, and then

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I have a minor in psychology.

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Speaker 1: Well, the psychology and the business work. The biology is

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kind of the most directly related. But every time I

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talk to girls, I also do a separate show where

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I interview new girls who are coming up or just

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trying to start in the industry and this and that,

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go to school and you want to do this, but

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you still want to go to school, get a marketing degree,

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go into business yeah sometimes yeah, market or take a

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minor in like video editing or production or something like that. Like,

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if you really want to make this a career, It's

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so funny to me how much of your guys work

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is not actually fucking.

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Speaker 3: It's all the other shit, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing, So that that's actually it's funny you

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bring that up, because that is why I ended up

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going into mainstream porn, because I had kind of hit

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a cap for myself as to what I could do

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for myself marketing wise. I felt like I hit a

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cap at the end of twenty twenty three, and I

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was like, okay, like I'm doing good. I'm still doing good,

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but I want to do more. I want to be

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one of these million dollar girls. And so I decided, okay, well,

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like I had browsers knocking out my door, and so

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I went ahead and took the call with browsers and

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decided to start shooting. And I shot a couple of

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scenes with browsers. It was fantastic, and so I was like, okay.

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off in twenty twenty four, I went and I went

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with plan.

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Speaker 2: I went.

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Speaker 4: Thinking, Okay, I'm going to get a manager, I'm going

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to find a fucking agent, I'm going to get an assistant.

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I'm going to get all of these things that I

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need and catapult this into another atmosphere.

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Speaker 2: And that's precisely what I did.

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Speaker 4: In two weeks later, I was shooting pro porn in Florida.

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Like the producer, this director was like, okay, yeah, I

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have ten scenes for you. I'm like okay, yeah, okay, yes,

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I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: You've also worked with, though some pretty incredible, it's I

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don't know how to I've yet to figure out the

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best way to articulate this. So the mainstream performers, there's

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also more of your independent performers. And it used to

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be felt like a tear system, a little bit like

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you're indies, and then this it seems like it's almost

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leveling out as different kinds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really.

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Speaker 2: Is, where she's kind of like this, actually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, You've worked with someone who I think

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is like the best example of that, subgirl. I don't

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know her name. I don't know that anyone knows her name.

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Speaker 4: It's one well sure you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I assume,

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oh subgirl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not just falling that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But it's amazing to me how much indie performers can

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still stay out of the mainstream and I mean build

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a full business, right yeah, Oh.

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Speaker 4: My god, yeah, I think for I've worked with so

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many people like that, She's one of them, and I

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briefly worked with her. I did not work with her

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a whole lot, but I did work with her a

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little bit on the Hot Wife tour. But oh man,

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if she's ever a web or a person that is

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top chier that does this indie performance and stays out

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of mainstream for the most part, she's one hundred percent

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that person, I think. Uh, I want to I want

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to say, also Max and Hailey Rose, like Phil's and Haley,

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they kind of did independent, very very indie and look

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at the two of them now, like, yeah, but they

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have since moved into pro porn.

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Speaker 1: Like it's funny you say that though, because I only

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associate Haley I know Haley or not personally like, oh,

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I know her, she's a friend of mine. I know

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of Haley Rose, and I only associate her with just

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having a huge like Twitter presence, like her shit always

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shows up at the top of my thing and whatever.

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So it's amazing that they've built this, do you, But

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you say you do like shooting mainstream scenes still right?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I love them.

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Speaker 4: I and And you asked me a question earlier and

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I didn't really dive into it.

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Speaker 2: You asked me if.

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Speaker 4: If pro porn has since changed in giving the performers

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more more rights than what they have, And I do

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want to, I do wanna that because yes, absolutely, it was.

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Speaker 2: Nothing like I thought it would be. It was nothing.

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Speaker 4: What it was when once upon a time. Maybe it

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is not that now. And I think, I honestly think

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too that the platform of only Fans, I have a

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love hate relationship with that platform, as I know many

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of my name my colleagues do too. But it changed

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things for people I porn like, it changed the pro

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porn realm to give them to give performers just more.

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Speaker 1: Agency. Is that the word? I don't know what that means?

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Speaker 2: Yes, like it gave them more.

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Speaker 1: Power, right, you more more decision making ability. Now you

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you can take that big brawser. But you know what,

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money wise, you don't really need it so much as

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much as you would have ten years ago. Something like that, right, right,

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So let me I'm sorry, continue, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: No, so I have I mean, I love the way

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they treat me on these sets. I love the people

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I work with on them. I've never had a bad,

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bad day, bad situation, and so and I've been on

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I don't know how many. I think I shot sixty

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five scenes last year. So so I've never had a

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bad anything, well anything.

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Speaker 1: Now that you mentioned numbers, we're going to do something

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to do on the show called stat check.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start out by saying these numbers are

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entirely wrong. They're not right. I say this to every

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woman I interview. They go okay, and then at the

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end of it, when I say the numbers, they go, oh,

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that's totally wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're all we know, we know.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna fitball in here.

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Speaker 1: So I'm basing this off the Internet Adult Film Database,

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which is almost like IMDb, the Internet Movie Database, and

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it kind of tracks most of your main or all

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of your mainstream stuff, a lot of the mini bids

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or this and that other things. So when I say

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this numbers, these numbers here, they're gonna be wrong because

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you just said something that blows it out of the water. Anyway,

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So number of okay, but we use this as a milestone.

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So when I have you on a year from now

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and you have fifty AVN awards and you're like this

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queen and blah blah blah blah blah, even more of

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a queen, I apologize. We can look back and go, oh,

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remember when on your record you only had blank blank blank.

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So number of scenes I have is forty eight. That's

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why I know the numbers are wrong. You just said

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sixty five.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Number of scenes is forty eight. Number of guys you've

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worked with is fifty one. Number of girls you've worked

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with is twenty four. According to this, no AVN nominations yet,

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and no AVN wins. Now's your turn to tell me

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those numbers are totally wrong. Those numbers are wrong, Okay.

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Speaker 4: I think actually the one that might actually be correct

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is the number of women I've worked with. Well, I

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don't know. So are these pro scenes that they're talking

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about that women in pros.

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Speaker 1: This is probably like it's a website that's been around

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for twenty years, but it's probably built by a guy

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like in a basement in Thailand, like putting it together.

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So don't don't sweat it. I wouldn't be like they

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don't have credit. No, they don't have credit for a

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bunch of years.

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Speaker 4: I think it's probably less actually in the women that

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I've worked with in the pro world.

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, I have.

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Speaker 4: Definitely it's more men and it's more scenes for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: But no no avn noums yet and no no awards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're working on We're gonna fucking get there.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean a lot to you or no? An award?

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Speaker 4: No, it doesn't. It just kind of validates you, I think,

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you know. So, while I don't feel like I know

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what I'm putting out and I'm happy with it and

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it's gaining dry and I'm fine with that. But of

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course it's always nice to be told, dude, you took

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that dick soak, you were the best one. You took

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that dick the best I don't hear that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations, congratulations you took that dick so much better

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than all the other ladies who took dick this year.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You said something before that I wanted to touch on. You

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said love hate relationship with OnlyFans. Now you are not

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I understand none of the independent channels. You've already gone

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through again and again, how much they've given women in

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this industry, the independent channels not just only fans fansly

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many bids, blah blah. It's great to have your own outlet,

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to be able to publish things, yes, but the love

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hate what is the hate part? What can these things

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do to be more friendly towards women, because they're already

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doing a great job of giving you the ability, But

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now how can they take some of the chains off?

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What is something that really bothers you about them?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say women, I'd say create, I'd say fair

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creators in general. I have I've seen the blue and whiteside.

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I don't want to say it out logs. I don't

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want them to come for me.

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Speaker 3: That's that's why I was trying to disperse it. Independent

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channel I've seen.

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Speaker 4: In particular, just do creator so dirty? Like I mean,

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kick them off? For things that are not clear in

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the tos or there was like there was one person

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in particular who had their only who.

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Speaker 3: Had their their their channel some.

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Speaker 4: Income suspended and it was because you know, we're allowed

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to our Twitter in the bio and they were linking

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their Twitter, which their Twitter had some stuff on it

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that that mentioned, uh, high end escorting.

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to.

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Speaker 3: See that on it? Yeah? You said whatever you want. Yeah,

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you're totally So.

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Speaker 4: They had that on their on their Twitter and they

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suspended their account because of that. Now, how is that

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breaking the toos? They're talking about that on the site

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on on Why is it a problem when your bots

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can go in and read the freaking twitter and see

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what's on the twitter, that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: That's how I got my strike on YouTube. I did

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not tell anyone to go anywhere. I said, you may

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know my next guest Andy Anderson from blank blank blank

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dot com. And they took the transcript and put a

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link to it, and then they went, oh, you're linking pornography.

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You get a strike now. So that is why I

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am dancing around telling people to check you out at

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the site. We all know what it is at and

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D five A and d E five. Make sure you

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check her out. You know, I understand one aspect of it.

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They they don't want that on their site because there's

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legal ramifications blah blah blah blah whatever. I get that,

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But the linking thing, you're right, they need to be

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more clear about that. I don't know if I'm allowed

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to put a Twitter account in uh the YouTube bio,

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because I don't know if when they go to Andy

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Anderson's Twitter, giant beautiful breasts are going to be there

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or something.

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Speaker 2: Like that, They're gonna see my butt hole.

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Speaker 1: And lucky for everyone who clicks that, let me, let

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me dive into some of the content. And so, yeah,

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if you could only shoot one niche the rest of

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your career, say, you are getting pigeonholed, but it's going

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to equate to tons of money. Most girls go, I

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like shooting everything, and I totally respect that. I understand.

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But if there was one thing that you are just

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in love with doing, shooting whatever type of niche or

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kink or whatever it is, what is something you would

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want to dive into forever if you were forced to do.

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Speaker 4: That, That's a good question, I would probably say, because.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I would probably say the stepmommy stuff.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the milf content is what I would probably

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stick with.

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Speaker 2: Just because.

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Speaker 4: I have found that it's such a it's not it

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is a niche, but it's not really because I think all.

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Speaker 2: Men that were once younger.

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Speaker 4: Grow up having this fetish about, you know, mils, about

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these women that are a little bit older. They have

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fake breasts, they whatever, they you know, are more experienced

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than the girls their age, so on and so forth,

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and then they actually get to that age where they're

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the same age as the MILFs, and they're still into

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the MILFs. Sure, so I feel like it's such a

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broad age range that you're not having to hit. It's

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not really a niche. It's a genre, I guess, yeah,

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for sure. Really, Yeah, so that's what I would stick with,

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I think because it's fun. It's fun the film, like.

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Speaker 2: You know, and it's never gonna I'm never gonna age

475
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:17,640
out of it.

476
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: Sure, well gonna hit you'll age into the guilf category eventually,

477
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:24,039
but I think you got to hit like seventy five

478
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:24,359
for that.

479
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully by then, I'm no longer hopeful by then,

480
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,440
my buttholes no longer fresh on the internet.

481
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: You know, let's and.

482
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: No hate, no hate to my guilfs. Dude, no noy

483
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,039
to my gilfs.

484
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you a quick, quick, quick story. I

485
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:47,920
interviewed someone the other day. I will not say who

486
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,119
it is. And if anyone's listening to this and they go, oh,

487
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,599
is it this episode he released, I will not release

488
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,839
that episode. Actually it's a shame I was. I was

489
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,559
having not a good time with her. She's actually kind

490
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:05,039
of a led in a specific niche. But whatever, I'm

491
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,519
having a decent time talk. But the whole time she's

492
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,720
just complaining. She's like, I don't get booked anywhere. I

493
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:13,079
never get booked. And it's like, oh, your attitude's not great,

494
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:15,039
but it's I never get booked. I never get booked.

495
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: D da da da da da da. Then it ends

496
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,200
and she's like, that was good. That was nice.

497
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,599
Speaker 1: She goes, I just never get booked anywhere. I'm like, okay,

498
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,839
I go, well, you used to direct a lot you

499
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,799
She complained the entire episode. Younger girls coming in the

500
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,160
industry just work for free. No one wants to booked

501
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,440
me because of the there's all these younger girls. So

502
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,200
in my head, I go, well, you used to direct

503
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,359
a lot of videos and a lot of scenes. And

504
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,279
going back to the times you were talking about the

505
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,440
Jenna Jamison times, why not try and bring along some

506
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,000
of these younger people shoot the content, do this and that.

507
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,599
She flips on me. She starts yelling, no one wants

508
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,880
unsolicited advice. You need to shut up. Go ahead, just

509
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,720
give me more. And I just went, you know what,

510
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,839
fuck this, I'm out of here. Can I ask is

511
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,000
there anyone that has helped you ment or? It wouldn't

512
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,880
be this lady, by the way, Has anyone helped you mentor?

513
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,720
And I won't give the name. I'll tell you after

514
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,279
if you want, but no one else? Has anyone helped

515
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,519
you like mentor? In this industry? Do you have anyone

516
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,720
that you've kind of looked up to? And so many

517
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,039
times I see women come on the independent circuit and

518
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:18,480
then mainstream and then there's someone they and it's not

519
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:20,759
a negative thing, but they're like, oh my god, this

520
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:24,559
person is like my oh, she's my jewels. She's so helpful,

521
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:27,680
she works on scenes with me. Do you have anyone

522
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:29,680
like that? It's okay if you don't, so.

523
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: I I'll tell you, honestly, someone that I can credit

524
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,920
to kind of mentoring me through this journey is Max Fill's.

525
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:43,319
Speaker 3: Wow.

526
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:44,759
Speaker 2: I know that's.

527
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 4: Really an odd thing to say, but if I ever

528
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,599
needed any Max and I had great chemistry from jump,

529
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:58,039
not only as shoe shoe partners, but also just it's

530
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,680
really and so I can I can even now go

531
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:04,599
to Max and be like, hey, what's up with this?

532
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:05,559
Speaker 2: Or do you know about this?

533
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,799
Speaker 4: And he'll help me through it and so, and especially

534
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:13,519
in the pro realm, like he had anything I needed,

535
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240
anything I could ask I I.

536
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,759
Speaker 2: Went to him with and he's helped me.

537
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: There were a lot yeah yeah, so and then as

538
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,519
far as like I also, our social media goes too,

539
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,400
Like I didn't know. All I was doing was social

540
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,480
media either, no idea getting into this. And there was

541
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:39,200
someone that mentored me. Her name's Ona Artist and she.

542
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,039
Speaker 2: Was not.

543
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: She's not a porn star. She blew up as an

544
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,359
Instagram girl. She was on she had her own website

545
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,599
for a long time and she was doing webcam on website.

546
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: I was watching.

547
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: Vice Viceland one night and she just happened to be

548
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,240
on this episode of slut Her. And this was back

549
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,079
in like I don't know twenty seventeen or something like this.

550
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm watching this.

551
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: A couple years later, when I started getting into the

552
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,720
sex industry, I immediately remembered her, followed her, and she

553
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,759
was selling this course for how to become a large

554
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,960
Instagram model, and so I thought, I need to do

555
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,759
that because I have no idea what I'm and so

556
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,759
I ended up buying the course.

557
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,839
Speaker 2: But then she ended up helping me through so much.

558
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,079
Speaker 4: And that also there was a lot of girls in there,

559
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:47,480
like all in there together, and we were able to learn.

560
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:53,000
Everybody kind of knew a little bit. They brought something

561
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,839
to the table. Everybody brought something to the table from

562
00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:01,160
one thing or another. And early on I had learned

563
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,160
the ropes on sex fanther how to work sex fanther

564
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,000
really well, and so that was kind of what I

565
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,359
brought to the table and was teaching people. And so

566
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,880
I learned a lot from her and from that group too.

567
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: Everything I've heard, I'm going to specify the difference. Everything

568
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,079
I've heard about the back room of a strip club,

569
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:24,559
not the VIP room. The dancer room is just girls

570
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,440
going at each other's throats with razor blades, wanting to

571
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,759
fight Da da da, And then everything I've heard in

572
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,839
the porn industry is all of you women are somewhat

573
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,440
helpful to each other and willing to give advice or

574
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,200
willing to do this and that and whatever. It's what

575
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,359
does that? Is there just enough business around? Do you

576
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,519
ever feel like, oh, I'm competing and you don't have

577
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:47,759
to say names. Do you ever feel like I'm competing

578
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,279
with this person, I'm whatever, or you just build yourself.

579
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not feel like I'm competing. But I'm

580
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:56,400
not like that ever. I've never been like that. My

581
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
whole life felt like I was competing with anybody.

582
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:05,839
Speaker 4: And so I think I think that quality and mentality.

583
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,920
I am not fighting for my life here. I also

584
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:14,200
think because I was older getting into this, I'm not

585
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,839
there's not forty there's not forty thousand mills. There's a

586
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,720
couple of us that can do the job.

587
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,559
Speaker 3: Well, sure, yeah, I'm not.

588
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: We're not fighting for In fact, I'm I'm so excited

589
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:39,279
for this scene on Wednesday, La on Sunday, And sorry

590
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:40,240
if I got super loud.

591
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: Did I blow your ear pods?

592
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: No?

593
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,079
Speaker 3: No, no, no, You're totally good.

594
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: No, You're I actually get to start alongside uh Cherie

595
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,599
Deville and Rachelle Ryan.

596
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:57,039
Speaker 1: So I mean that's yeah, Cherry Deville has become the

597
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:01,359
face of angry. Didn't she do the ads at the

598
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,960
beginning of when they were banning porn across the country.

599
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,119
I thought she was the face of porn hub that

600
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,840
was like, you need the ID check man. There was

601
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,639
probably a lot of dudes who looked at her and

602
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,320
were just like, I'll just beat.

603
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: It to this. I don't give a fuck yet, Yeah.

604
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: What are you selling? Okay? Yeah?

605
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm I've worked with Rashelle before for content uh,

606
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,840
and I was kind of starstruck then and so now

607
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,920
I'm just super excited to work with those two.

608
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:35,079
Speaker 2: I'm really excited.

609
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,679
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask you. Do you

610
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,719
get starstruck at all? It sounds like you do, but

611
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,960
like when what does it though? Is it someone that

612
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,239
you know is like a phenomenal performer. Is it someone

613
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,000
with a huge presence, Like what really gets you? Is

614
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,840
it someone that like I used to search her and

615
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,000
now and get to fuck her?

616
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,119
Speaker 4: So there are there is some of that element to

617
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,639
it where it's like, oh my god, I watched this

618
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:57,760
person ten years ago.

619
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: But I think it's.

620
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:03,679
Speaker 4: It's where they're at in their career that I'm like,

621
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,079
I want to do, I want to be there. So

622
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,360
it's really it's really truly the people that have their

623
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,719
shit together on the end, that are doing so well

624
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,119
that I'm like, that's my ment, That's who I want

625
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:21,599
to be in my life, that's who I want to

626
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:27,719
work besides. So, yeah, it's not so much huge presence

627
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,320
or anything like that. I've never I've never really cared

628
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,760
about that type of thing, not that that doesn't play

629
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,480
a part, of course, but it's the people that are

630
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,320
just fucking on it, that are killing it that that's

631
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,320
what I want to That's what I want to do,

632
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,480
That's what I want to be. So so to be

633
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,679
able to work with two people that I know for

634
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,400
sure hit that is really super exciting.

635
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:56,079
Speaker 1: I asked you before a trend or thing you really like,

636
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,320
let me ask you this, what is a niche, a

637
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,480
trend to cank whatever. I used to call this game

638
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,719
sack and it was it stood for shit animals. Kids,

639
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,920
we're taking those out of the equation. Anytime I would

640
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,679
ask a girl this question, they would go, well, I

641
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,719
wouldn't you know do this with a kid.

642
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah.

643
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,199
Speaker 1: No, if you would, I wouldn't want to talk to

644
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,480
you anymore. What is something that's in the adult world

645
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,440
but you just don't really have any interest in pursuing

646
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,159
like a kink and a fetish or a genre, you

647
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:25,679
know what I mean?

648
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:27,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, race play.

649
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a great one.

650
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: And I always when I asked that other question, a

651
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,400
lot of women just going nothing at all. I'll do

652
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,639
it all, I'll do anything. And that's my comeback. I go,

653
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,719
how about race play? And they go, oh, no, no, no,

654
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,519
not that, no.

655
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: No no.

656
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,559
Speaker 2: In fact, it's real funny.

657
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: And the reason this isn't my brain right now currently

658
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,000
is because I was working. I was doing video chats

659
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,199
at like six o'clock in the morning and I was

660
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,800
on sex Panther and I had the sky on a

661
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,000
video chat and he was wanted to do race play

662
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,360
and I'm like I She's like, no, it's fine, say it.

663
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,039
Speaker 2: I'm into it. And I was like, I'm not, Like, I'm.

664
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,519
Speaker 3: Not no sure.

665
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:15,079
Speaker 1: Like I've interviewed black performers before, female and male, and

666
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,280
I've gotten both answers. I've gotten from women. Avery Jane

667
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,519
is a phenomenal performer and she has told me, you know,

668
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,360
no chance, Like I'll fucking take your head off if

669
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,360
you even you know.

670
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:27,119
Speaker 3: And I get that.

671
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: And I've talked to Anna Fox, Anna Fox, however you

672
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,599
say her damn name. She's a legend, right, I got

673
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:37,199
it wrong throughout the entire episode. By the way, when

674
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,079
I talk to her about it, and she's very vocal

675
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,760
about race relations and this and that online totally great.

676
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,159
But when I talked to her about it, she goes,

677
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,760
he has a performance, Like maybe she's changed since then,

678
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,800
and if fine, that's totally acceptable. But she's like, it's

679
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,960
a performance at whatever. I've interviewed John Legendary, who's a

680
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,360
great performer, and he has told me, yo, I'm fucking

681
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:55,760
this girl.

682
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit what she says to me,

683
00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,280
like if she wants to call me whatever.

684
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: So it's always a weird line because like, for sure,

685
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,400
you're a performer, someone is paying you for the performance.

686
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,840
If it's a black gentleman and they want it, part

687
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000
of me goes like, not that you should do it

688
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,400
at all, it's your comfort, But part of me is like,

689
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,119
is it okay because he wants it and it's part

690
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,039
of the performance. I think that's for African American people

691
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,400
to determine for themselves. I don't think I should be

692
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,480
the one really pointing that out. I commend you for

693
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:33,480
not doing it, unless, of course, Lex Steel came around

694
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,519
and wanted it. Then I'd be like, and I know

695
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:39,239
I've seen you've worked with him before, but I would

696
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,079
be like if you were my wife and Lex Steel

697
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:43,519
came to you and was like, hey, Lex, some rays

698
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,159
play and you're like, I'm not comfortable, I'd go Andy, please,

699
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,079
he's a legend. Just call him whatever he wants.

700
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: Please. But I understand and respect it.

701
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:59,559
Speaker 4: I just I you know, I feel like I've always

702
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:05,239
grown up with you know that that whole the word and.

703
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,159
Speaker 2: Everything is just it's base. It was.

704
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,039
Speaker 4: It was born in based hate. And I still feel

705
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:15,199
that way, you know. So so it's a word that

706
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,760
I just and I know it's like any other kink.

707
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,880
It's like, you know, you have you have the guys

708
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,719
that lost their jobs in two thousand and seven and

709
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,840
went from being an executive executive that was making a

710
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,599
million dollars a year to losing their jobs and they

711
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,199
lost everything. The pay pigk kink came from that. Really,

712
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,000
that's where it fucking came from I didn't think about it.

713
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000
We didn't hear about pay pigs before that, did you know.

714
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I never considered that before. That

715
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,119
is really insightful.

716
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it stems from people just leaning into things that

717
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,719
could have been a trauma. Was probably a trauma, and

718
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,840
this is this is I'm into this.

719
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 2: So I get it. I understand it.

720
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,639
Speaker 4: But as a performer, uh, and I get I also

721
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,719
understand inside with what she was saying. As being a performer,

722
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,599
I get that, And I no hate to anybody that's

723
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:16,400
comfortable with that.

724
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,519
Speaker 1: I'm just not, you know, totally get it, totally get it.

725
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,199
Anything else that you wouldn't want to dive into any

726
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,840
other kind of niche genre, fetish, anything like that.

727
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,519
Speaker 4: I'm not into the little fetish, you know, like the

728
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:41,639
very it's they're called the littles, and is that when good?

729
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,599
It's really it's the girls that are super young. They're

730
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:49,280
like nineteen twenty and they're playing super.

731
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,639
Speaker 3: Young girls, right. Sure.

732
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,639
Speaker 4: So that's one thing that I want to avoid, especially

733
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:56,639
as a MILF, because they'll try and cast me with

734
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:57,239
stuff like that.

735
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: I just I don't because then we're on.

736
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:06,159
Speaker 4: Average of like you know, it's distasteful to me.

737
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 3: You so are you?

738
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: You're comfortable with age play, You're not comfortable with it

739
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,760
being painted so low?

740
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:13,199
Speaker 2: Oh?

741
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm comfortable with age play because I'm a

742
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,840
milf and I'm obviously you know milf stuff is with

743
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,800
cubs and all that.

744
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,159
Speaker 2: I'm always someone's step mom.

745
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,679
Speaker 3: But I'm always someone's step mom.

746
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: I am.

747
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: But when the girls are being casted as like eleven twelve, yeah,

748
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,760
that's crazy. No that I want to avoid that one too.

749
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's smart. That would fall into like

750
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,519
the SEC category for me. Sorry, I had a little

751
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:50,440
technical issue there. Just so we know, I'm speaking to

752
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,000
Andy Anderson at Andy five. You know where you can

753
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,800
find her links in the episode description. So let me

754
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,039
talk about the content moving forward. What you said the

755
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,599
scene you're doing Rachelle Ryan and Cherry Deville awesome. Do

756
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,519
you have anything else you want to tackle on the horizon?

757
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,440
Have you have you shot a gang bang yet, like

758
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,400
a like a real you solo gang bang, like I'm pro,

759
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,480
like pro or just whatever?

760
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: Can I find content of you gang bang?

761
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,639
Speaker 2: Back in September for content?

762
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 4: And at the time, I was really proud of it

763
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,320
because it was something I hadn't done. Now looking back

764
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,639
on it, it was kind of a shit show. Not

765
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,079
because of the not because of the male talent. They

766
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:37,320
were all fucking awesome, amazing, and not because of me.

767
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: It was just it was just not shot.

768
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: Sure, great, So I want to go back to that

769
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,280
and kind of polish do another one, polish it up

770
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:48,760
a little.

771
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, are you shooting these or do you have

772
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,199
a guy you bring in to shoot for you?

773
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,079
Speaker 2: Yea, I know I have people shoot for me.

774
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,679
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, cool, cool? Cool?

775
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: So what are you going to to try and tackle differently?

776
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,559
Is it just light and no offense? You know, I'm

777
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:05,960
sure it was, you know, it just confusion? But is

778
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,360
it lit wrong? Is it just angles?

779
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,519
Speaker 3: Not great?

780
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,679
Speaker 4: The audio was kind of a mess. Yeah, the angles

781
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,239
weren't great. There's also like it was a roaming camera

782
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,760
and when you're trying to I don't know, when you're

783
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,519
trying to film a gang bang, like you really it

784
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:31,760
has to be thought out a little more, really, And

785
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,800
I think I was just like, okay, free for all,

786
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,159
let's go, because I didn't you know, I'm like, I

787
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,119
don't know what I'm doing here to you guys.

788
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,119
Speaker 2: No, Okay, let's just I got two holes.

789
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:50,639
Speaker 4: Let's go three three, I can't agree, Oh, let's go.

790
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,000
You know it was a mess, so uh and my camera,

791
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,639
my camera guy did great. Like I said, you just

792
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,519
you have to go in with the plank of Okay, guys,

793
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,800
we're going to go here and we're going to do this,

794
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,519
and and the camera guy is gonna stay here, like

795
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,519
you just really have to think about that. And we

796
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:13,119
did not, and it's okay, Like still made us some

797
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:13,679
good money.

798
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,079
Speaker 1: Like again, we go back to I go back to

799
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,159
angry Twitter guy writing at you from some basement somewhere

800
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,960
going All she does is she just gets fucked on

801
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,400
camera and that's how she makes all her money. You

802
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:27,400
just described to me that a shot list has to

803
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,760
be designed for this entire thing. Do you know how

804
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,480
intensive that is? And plus, by the way, you're going

805
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:34,159
to be on your back the whole time, so how

806
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:38,039
are you you know? Yeah? It just uh, the respect

807
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:41,760
I have on a business level and a production level

808
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,880
for performers has only grown since I've talked to them,

809
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,440
because I, you know, incorrectly, I came into doing this

810
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,920
talking to beautiful women who have sex for a living

811
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,800
and go, oh, your life must be so great and

812
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,840
your life is great, but it's not as easy as

813
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,440
it sounds.

814
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: Listen.

815
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 4: I I had corporate jobs. I worked for FEMA. I've

816
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,800
do for FEMA for years. The hardest job I've ever

817
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,800
had is this one. I do the most work being

818
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,440
foreign star than I've ever done work. You know, I

819
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,599
went to college. I was a stripper when I was

820
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,800
in college. I was also a cheerleader, did not sleep.

821
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,679
And I work harder now than I thought it then,

822
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:31,000
So like, oh, no one will ever understand. They just think,

823
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,599
you know, oh we're terrible. People were just on our

824
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:38,079
back and that's not and it's not true. True, it's

825
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:41,679
not true. Yeah they're working at a weapons manufacturing plant.

826
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,519
Oh yeah yeah. If you don't have.

827
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: Business sense, you will not make it in this industry.

828
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: I've asked this before. Do you who do you?

829
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,559
Speaker 1: And it's just a great example of hard work in

830
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,880
this industry. Who do you think makes more money? A

831
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,400
ten out of ten with no social media sense? We're

832
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,960
a seven out of ten who knows how to work

833
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:03,760
the algorithm?

834
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the seven out of ten every time?

835
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,119
Speaker 3: Right out of ten.

836
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:14,559
Speaker 4: Yes, I have seen girls that are not the prettiest girls.

837
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:20,800
And these girls are out there making millions of dollars. Yeah,

838
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,159
and you know I mean going into that like people

839
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:27,920
can talk all the shit they want. Some of the

840
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,079
smartest people I've ever seen are in this industry.

841
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,039
Speaker 2: Let's go to ammer ant.

842
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so she doesn't she doesn't do she doesn't

843
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,800
shoot pro porn.

844
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: She's not truly in the porn industry.

845
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,639
Speaker 4: I think she does solo work on her of Okay,

846
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:50,679
but still that is something sure, and look at what

847
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,920
she's done, like, look at the things that she continues

848
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,199
to do.

849
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,199
Speaker 2: She is incredibly intelligent.

850
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: And yeah there is there's a whole team and there

851
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,760
of course we know, but she started that on her own.

852
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: Like the team doesn't show up. They don't knock on

853
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,519
the door one day and go, oh andy, do you

854
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:11,599
want to be a superstar now?

855
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,079
Speaker 3: Or you have to build up to that team. Right, So.

856
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,079
Speaker 2: People can say what they want to say.

857
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: But like I said, some of the most intelligent people

858
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:22,800
are in this industry.

859
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. Willman ask last

860
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,840
question here? Then I have a quick little social media

861
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,559
thing for you. But last question, what is the future?

862
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,639
Where do you see this going? Do you have a

863
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,159
dollar amount you want to get to? Do you have

864
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,519
a number of scenes? Do you have an age? Do

865
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,960
you see an endgame? Or you like I said earlier

866
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,840
going to be on the cover of Guilf Hunter sixty five,

867
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,239
like when do you want to get out?

868
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: If you do want to get out, do you have

869
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:52,719
a metric?

870
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: So I don't have an age that I want to

871
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,239
get out. I just.

872
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: There is burnout at some point. There is, because it's

873
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,960
like I'll tell you. And I was talking to my

874
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:14,079
husband about this earlier today because he, oh, I make

875
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:18,400
really good money on sex at their menks. I make

876
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:23,440
really good money and it's video chatting and sexteen and

877
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,000
he said, look, you need to work that into the ground.

878
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:29,519
Speaker 3: When you're home.

879
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: You need to be working that. Because I had just

880
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,159
told him.

881
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:34,079
Speaker 4: I came downstairs and I told him how much money

882
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,199
I made on it, and he was like, oh, fuck,

883
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,880
Like you need to be working not as much as

884
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,559
you can in your home. And I'm like, look, but

885
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:47,599
here's the thing. Yes, you're right, I should, but I

886
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,039
I let's think about this when I'm home. I typically

887
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,920
i'm two weeks home, two weeks gone, and so in

888
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,840
the two weeks that I'm home, I'm diddling myself on camera.

889
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:07,639
I have to shoot content scenes and then I also

890
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,320
have to have my own personal sex. So then you know,

891
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:19,320
like I'm gonna fly off to LA on Sunday and

892
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:26,239
I'm shooting every day, sometimes twice a day while I'm gone.

893
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's you know, I could I could see

894
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,360
his point if you had a metric, if you guys

895
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,320
were like, once we get to ten million, we can

896
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,960
both retire and be out then. And also, by the way,

897
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,480
it's not his holes that he's telling you to, you know,

898
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,679
or he's not having to do it. It would probably

899
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:47,320
be a little bit different if he had this sex

900
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,360
with guys on that and no, nope, yeah go ahead.

901
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: And I told him, like, you know, it's a little

902
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,639
bit different. I know guys could sit there.

903
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:57,639
Speaker 4: I know guys can sit there a mole for fucking

904
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,960
twenty hours a day. I was like, it's different. You're

905
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,840
not putting stuff inside your body, like, it's different. We

906
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,840
we burn out, you know. And so I don't necessarily

907
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,559
have a number or an age. I think it's just

908
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,519
when I decide that oh shit, okay, I'm there is

909
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:21,480
going to be a point where X is getting to

910
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:23,440
be mundane and I never want that.

911
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: And so when I start to feel.

912
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 4: That, that's my that popping point, right.

913
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: So what I plan to do prior to that.

914
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 4: I think within the next probably two years, I'm going

915
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:45,360
to start on Twitch or on kick and start streaming,

916
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,960
and I, you know, like, I'm funny enough and I'm

917
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,920
creative enough to.

918
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: To pull people in on that.

919
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 4: So start doing that and kind of doing a little

920
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,199
bit of cosplay stuff and kind of move on segue

921
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:08,119
I think into that and into YouTube. So my husband

922
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,480
has always pushed for years and years and years because

923
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,400
I've managed my own OnlyFans for a long time, and

924
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:21,519
he's like, I think that you should manage some of

925
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:26,320
these girls. And I'm like, fuck that. Have you met

926
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,280
any of these girls?

927
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 3: No, you know, it's so funny. I like that.

928
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: If you remember my story from earlier, he gave you

929
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,480
some unsolicited advice that you should manage girls, and you

930
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,400
yelled at him. That's what we don't do, folks. We

931
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:45,119
don't offer unsolicited advice. Ladies and gentlemen, my guests tonight,

932
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,639
Andy Anderson, you know exactly where you can find her

933
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:48,760
at Andy five.

934
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:51,639
Speaker 3: You know our rule here go through the episode description.

935
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:53,360
Follow everywhere that's free.

936
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: You have to at least follow everywhere that's free the

937
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,639
bare minimum, Twitter, Instagram, all of that. But I also

938
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:02,599
want to direct you again the site we're talking about

939
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:05,719
at A N D I E five That is the

940
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,960
VIP one. You go and sign up for that. We

941
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,960
want to support independent content creators. We want to make

942
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,719
sure we don't go back to the old days of

943
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,519
two thousand and five when I was just a wee

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boy searching the internet and I didn't know women were

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being treated so badly behind the scenes. Jenna Jamison let

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us all know. Andy Anderson, thank you so much for

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coming on with you now.

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Speaker 2: Nie