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Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentlemen, and welcome to the six hundred and

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seventy six episode of the geek Ers Podcast. I am

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the Mustang Trastelle.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by Bill taylor Field. You want that name

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really after this movie?

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Speaker 3: It's not bad. It's not bad, all right.

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Speaker 2: We'll debate that after. We'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 1: But yes, lys, gentlemen, we're here to talk about The

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Black Phone two Pardue chapter two, just to tonight. But yeah,

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obviously we've been excited for this one for a while.

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I can't remember when we got that first trailer, but

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whenever it was, we were pretty hyped.

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Speaker 2: You can go back.

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Speaker 1: I did re release in the feeds if you're wondering

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what our thoughts are on the Black Phone, even though

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it was many moons ago, we did review me and

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Taylor back in the day, so it is up there,

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so if you want to get a little preview there,

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And as always, this is gonna be our non spoils portion,

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so we'll talk about our overall thoughts. So if you're

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on the fence, if you're gonna see it later on,

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or maybe you're not seeing it at all, but you

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want to just know our thoughts we'll give you and

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maybe it'll change your mind. We're gonna give you complete

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non spoilers, and then after the first ad break, you'll

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go into spoiled territory, so you won't be safe after that.

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So if you hear anything after that, then that is

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on you. Head down to links for everything you need

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to know is down below.

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Speaker 2: The audio feeds, the video feeds.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly Extra Life, which we'll talk about a little

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bit later, but all the details about how to donate

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to the VC Chiln's Hospital. We're trying to raise some

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funds this year, so we'd appreciate that. And yeah, lots

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of stuff on the feed. We just finished Peacemaker gen V.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we got this.

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Speaker 1: There'll be newscast if you're listening to this live seven

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fifteen pm hopefully on time seven to fifteen pm PST.

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October seventeenth, we're gonna be doing our in person or

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monthly in person cast me Taylor and Kirkland. Gonna be

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a newscast, a Bond Fantasy draft as well, and then

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also it's gonna be our last patio pod because is

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getting a little cold. But we're gonna bust out some

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jackets gonna bust out some fun, warm stuff.

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Speaker 2: You'll see you and get the set.

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Speaker 1: But this set has a fun Halloween vibes you, so

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it should be a good time. But Tittfield the Black Phone.

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watched it from the theater, so you're going just kind

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of almost blindly, and so what do.

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Speaker 3: You think about it? Too? That's how old? Really?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I thought it really twenty two day two, huh.

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Speaker 1: Really, I for some reason, I thought of this as

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like a pre COVID movie. I don't know why, but

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I guess we were online and people enjoin us. Yeah,

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so I guess. So it feels like it's been long.

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It's okay, well just a little yeah, three because that

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was October for about three years. Okay, so now three

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years later we got the sequel. What do you think

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of this one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was on the fence at the time that

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I heard about this, and it wasn't sure. Okay, what

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are they going to be doing here? How are they

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gonna do a sequel? And this is before they were

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talking about all the how to say it's not smaller

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the paranormal aspect. I had no idea how they were

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going to be tackling this, and I thought maybe there's

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prequel or something like that. Ah well, that kind of

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just kicking itself. But then the trailer comes out you

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see that it's a paranormal aspect, and it's just the

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the gloves are off. Now he's on a whole different

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level than a whole different playing field. And I think

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I would really recommend this. I enjoyed it in the theater,

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and I think, you know, if you're it's it's Halloween's

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coming up soon, there's not a lot of horror movies

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in the theater right now. I mean that have that

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spooky paranormal aspect to it. I mean there's a conjuring sure, but.

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Speaker 2: Next week.

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Speaker 3: Too. Yeah, I would easily put this over the conjuring

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good jump. But I'm I love that they got Ethan

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a paranormal aspect. He's just he's so good. He's really

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really good. And yeah, there's just lots of stuff in

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here that I was enjoying, and I'm excited to kind

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of highlight those moments when we get into the spoilers.

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great job, and it really motivated me to want to

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go back and rewatch that first one because there are

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certain characters and they're saying certain things, and I'm glad

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that they didn't kind of give us at the beginning.

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of what happened you know, mission impossible final reckoning style

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didn't do that. They just delivered a point A to

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point Z storyline here, And if you want to just

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kind of touch upon and familiarize yourself with this narrative

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and with these characters, just go back and watch the

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first one. It's as simple as that, which is what

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wait till it comes on streaming. But when it does

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come on streaming, I think definitely watch it. I think

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first one too, so you can really feel the weight

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of these characters and their decisions. I will say lastly,

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like there's some big spoilers, but like I feel like

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Finn or it's fitting his sister, right, and then I

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Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense, right, So h m hmm.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's different. Not spoilers, though. You can take it.

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Speaker 2: Away, grab it, grab it over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one thing I will employ people now unless

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because I'll go back around with that. But what Taylor

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level as far as like, oh every inch is popping off.

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directing and obviousely cinematographer, which.

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so sintographer, everybody. There's some great looking stuff in here.

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best looking horror movies we've got. I'll just say this decond.

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Speaker 2: I'd have for that. Another thing I highlight the score.

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the director's son because it was they had the last

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aspects really well made here. And like I said, I

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my history of Scott Derekson is I loved.

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Speaker 2: Sinister, right, I still like I guess it's a myersport.

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Speaker 1: I probably would still put Sinister over this, and I

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this movie, but I need to probably watch it again,

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where the first one I've only seen twice. I watched

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back to back because I remember enjoying it. But I

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you gonna do this? How's this gonna work? This doesn't

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CGI fest. But everything visually is good here, So I

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just because he's so good in it, right, and he's

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good here too. He him as the grabber, the certain

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lines they write that character very well. There's a couple

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writing things where it just felt like they had nothing

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for him say, and it's just like, oh, I guess

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we find out if you die.

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Speaker 1: Like it felt like he was he did this big

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just an easy remark. Like it just felt like there's

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some lines it's funny with the grab there's some lines

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they're like, oh man, this is top toer like Freddy

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Coueger stuff. And I'll highlight one in the spoilers that

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was like bone chilling, But then there was another one

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that was just like, oh, like all right, Like there's

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a couple of times where no one's could think of

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anything better for the grabber to say here just like

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I'm gonna hurt everyone, you know, and it's just and

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that's it. And then he just goes off. So it's

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the way you thought it pronounces and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But that's good.

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all the actors, i'd say, are even better off to

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pull him up because I don't haven't seen the other stuff,

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but they're all good other stuff. I feel it is

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a very obviously you have the same director and writer.

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say it like I said, in the sense that you

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could probably still watch this alone. But it feels like

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these characters are evolving. Obviously, sometimes has passed for years,

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so they've aged up, but it feels like they've put

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them in a different place while still being the same

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character that you know transition from film one to film too,

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which sometimes can be lost. Right with a time junt,

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they just completely change a character up and that's fine.

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right most a side characters I enjoy. There's a couple

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of comedic relief value characters, but I don't think they

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were over the top, which was good. It wasn't like

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a really like that guy that's gonna make dick jokes

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or far trokes, which I appreciate. This is at times

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a very dour movie. That's something I like about it.

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movies where characters are depressed, and a lot of that

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happens here. So yeah, visuals are great, acting is great

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all round. I thought the story of how they do

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a sequel and how they tied all together was very

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clever and well thought out, and they even do some

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big changes or some big revelations for the first movie.

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very natural because I don't know if they would have

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thought of this when they wrote Black Phone One. Maybe

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they did, but even if they didn't, they found a

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way to weave it and where sometimes when we get

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these twists or reveals, we go, ah, this doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: And even then they start to do that.

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they start to reveal, Oh, there's something that happened from

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the first one that ties in here, and someone I

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was like, Oh no, we're gonna go in down this

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revisionist history. That kind of makes it cheesy and it

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makes the world a bit smaller, but it it it

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works with what they've set up. So I think my

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only con I need to I think I need to

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watch it again. I gotta watch the first one. I said,

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I'll do a double header. But I just thought that

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the pacing was a little off. I felt, especially the

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first hour it was. And here's one thing I will

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say for if people don't want to see this, this

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is a movie that's extremely violent towards kids. It's like

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even more so than it to me or it of

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course it's like killing off kids will see with Penny

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but that has some quick really bad stuff. There's some

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really bad stuff that I was surprised, like honestly it's great,

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but still there there is times where it's like, man,

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they're getting away with some stuff right here. So it

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is I'd say, not for the faint of heart that

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way way more. I feel like the first one had

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a lot of applied violence or you would see, you know,

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uncomfortable situations where this is literally you're seeing kids getting

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you know, mindsport is hacked up and it's not like

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a off the side or shadow, it's literally very sinister like.

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So and again that stuff visually was really well done.

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The grain for the film The Dreams was well done,

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but yeah, for me, it was the pacing where I

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felt like the sometimes there's a lot of exposition dump

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and I felt like they took a lot of time

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with unfortunately stuff that we already know, so we're you

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have to do that where you tell the characters, but

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I feel it's a situation where multiple characters learn the

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same thing over and over and over again, which is

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very tough because there's I don't know, six to seven

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characters here, so it would feel like it's starting to

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pick up and ramp up and then slow right down

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and pick up and ramp up. So I have to

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watch again and feel how that goes on a segment.

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I think the anale really delivers and it builds to

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a big you feel like, because to me, if this

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third act sucked, this would have really brought the movie down.

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really delivers, So that's all good there. And I think

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it has lots of sentimental value in this movie.

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Speaker 2: And it's very.

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Speaker 1: It's very kind at the same time when it's very vicious,

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Speaker 2: Think that's the only thing.

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Speaker 1: Is this some exposition I think you could have cut

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or tightened up and just some pacing where I feel

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like you'd have a scare, but that it'd be a

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good twenty And I'm not saying that I need the scare,

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but it's just.

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Speaker 2: A lot of meandering around or learning.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, which is still vital to the story, but there's

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some stuff that just kind of we could have probably

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condensed us all together or done something, So yeah, that

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would be my thing. Just a pacing felt sometimes a

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little off at times. They didn't know which year one

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to get. It kind of felt like the weird It

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would ramp up to a really high point and then

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slow right down.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'll see how I feel later on at some point

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whenever we watched this, but anything else, don Taylor.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But yeah, no, I highly recommend this. Even if

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you're like myself that thought the first one was okay.

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I think this one definitely evolves. And we talked about

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this in the trailers. If you're like me and your

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big nightmare fan, if you're looking for something to fill

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that void and kind of work that, Hey, we might

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not beget a new nightmare movie in.

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Speaker 2: Quite a while. This is fantastic.

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I feel like they just kind of did it here.

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is the love and care I would like to have

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in the an updated Freddy movie, which we didn't really

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get with that remake. So yeah, they that's all top notch,

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top tier, really have no notes about that stuff like

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how the world worked, everything, the reasoning for it. So

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yeah that if you're looking just purely for that this

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fits as like a kind of Freddy Couger nightmare and

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Elstreet replacement for the time being, So uh yeah, we

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both recommend it. So we're gonna take our first ad

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Speaker 2: But Taylor, where do you want to start with the

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black phone two?

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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned some of the lines that he was

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saying that are kind of like Freddy kruegerish.

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Speaker 3: There's one moment where I thought the same. I thought, Okay,

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this definitely feels like, uh, just crazy. And I'm wondering

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if it's the same moment that.

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Speaker 2: You're you're thinking of, what are you thinking of?

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Speaker 3: Well, you you go first. I want to know what.

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Speaker 1: I think for because now we're full spoilers when they

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were on the ice and I'm paraphrasing, but it's something

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about because there the whole method is Okay, they've set

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up that the way obviously the grabber grabbed Finny last movie,

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he got out, they found their remain that right, how

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he's kind of coming back is the grabber has not

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has but he's killed these boys and they're in the

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ice in this cabin. They're frozen down in barrels, so

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because they haven't been found released kind of have like

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a proper barrel.

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Speaker 2: He can kind of use them as a condo went

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to get out.

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Speaker 1: And get at people, right, which we can kind of

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talk about the end, But there's a point in the

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third act wort they on the ice and they gotta

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00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,160
get these bodies because if they get the bodies out,

474
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,000
they can overpower him and shut the grabber back down

475
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,359
somewhere right when he it's like the I can't remember

476
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,599
the main camp counselor like the guy who's been there

477
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,279
the longest, but when he's pulling them out, and then yeah,

478
00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:13,000
I think it's actually a second act where that's where

479
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,079
I liked, where she's having a dream and the grabber

480
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,440
is literally breaking the ice behind him, so it's not

481
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,519
like a Freddy Kueger thing, and that's what I think

482
00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:23,359
they were smart to do, where clearly you're gonna get

483
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,400
the Freddy comparisons, but this was different where Okay, when

484
00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,079
someone else was dreaming, which was the sister who is

485
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,920
kind of you know, some sort of has like a

486
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,960
shining aspect to where that can fire up the graber

487
00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,920
to do things to hurt other people on the outside

488
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,079
and even them to hurt the grabber while he's not there,

489
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,759
if you can just find him and hurt him, right,

490
00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:45,519
if you see like a shape, you can hear where

491
00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,359
oppositely with Freddie, it's just hey, Taylor falls asleep. Freddy

492
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,680
can only go after Taylor and that's it, right, So

493
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,480
I thought that was a good way to differential yourself

494
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,319
where oh, and she's asleep, he can kind of come alive.

495
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,160
But it's when he's pulling up one of the bins

496
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,240
and he's like, oh, say hello to the boy. I've

497
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,759
missed them so much. And that's where I was like,

498
00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:03,720
oh man, that's a creepy ass line. That was a

499
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,279
good line. There was a couple really good lines, but

500
00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:07,640
that to me was the top tier one where I

501
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,240
was like, oh man.

502
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 2: The Grabber you're a fucking creepy weirdo, you know.

503
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,799
Speaker 1: But like I said, there's an other couple of lines

504
00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:15,039
where I just thought it was just that could have

505
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,359
used a little more buffing.

506
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 2: But what was was that the line of the mash

507
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:18,960
Was it something else?

508
00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 3: No, it was something else. I'm trying to remember exactly

509
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,920
where it was. I think it was when she was

510
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,519
in the kitchen and the grabber was in the kitchen too,

511
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,759
and it starts like lifting her up and he said

512
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,039
something and I wish I could remember it because it

513
00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:40,759
was just it was a really freaky just the way

514
00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,880
that he was talking. And again too, just the transition

515
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,720
between that scene where he's talking to Finny on the

516
00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:49,039
phone and then he just like walks out of the

517
00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,000
shadow and that was a trailer scene, but very different

518
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,960
context when you see it set up here when Finn

519
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,599
can't see the grabber, Finn can't see the ghosts, but

520
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,839
the ghosts are all present around him, and so when

521
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,039
he can't see the grabber, with the grabbers walking around

522
00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:05,799
the phone booth listening and like talking to him, which

523
00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:09,440
is freaky. And that's in the real world obviously, and

524
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,160
then you get the dream sequence of the Dreams world,

525
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,759
which has that just sort of VHS kind of filter,

526
00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,559
which I thought was fucking fantastic. So just with that

527
00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:22,920
transition and then he just talks to Gwen. Gwen was

528
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,119
her name, right, Yeah, Yeah, he talks to Gwen gives

529
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,920
her the rundown on things and it's just like toying

530
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,279
with her. And then yeah, just that whole scene of

531
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,319
him just picking her up, and I was trying to

532
00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:38,599
see that. Okay, like there, this is probably the most

533
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,200
like supernatural he gets where he's got like Jedi powers

534
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,240
because the way she's moving, he's obviously using two hands

535
00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:48,559
to spin her around. And then you see like him

536
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,160
holding her trying to throw her into the fire. But

537
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,160
then you see, okay, when everyone runs in, everything on

538
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,279
the shelf away from where the girl's being held flies

539
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:57,839
at them.

540
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: He's over there like like he's not throwing all the

541
00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:04,160
kitchen knives at him. Have some sort of powers, right, So.

542
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing though with him, Like I

543
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:10,279
would think no because if they do a black Phone

544
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:12,920
three or just other stuff. But to me, the way

545
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,839
they set up with this movie is almost that she

546
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,400
like he all like because I think, why wouldn't he

547
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,160
kill her? But it's almost like he can't kill her

548
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,000
because I think, is she kind of also part of

549
00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:25,839
the con went to get out too? Or do you

550
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,279
think like he.

551
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:27,039
Speaker 2: Could get it again?

552
00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: We could get a sequel, They explained that, but do

553
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,359
you think if he were kill her, could she he's

554
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,920
still be doing this stuff, And if that the case,

555
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,039
why wouldn't you kill her right away?

556
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:35,319
Speaker 2: Right?

557
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,319
Speaker 1: It's not like the Frey thing where Okay, main character

558
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,440
is Nancy. He's killing off her friends to eventually Nancy

559
00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:43,599
so frightened the ideas to get her right, But she's

560
00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:45,720
the strongest one. So in this sense, why wouldn't he

561
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,799
kill her off right away? Because when he did spin

562
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,640
on the phone booth and all that blood was coming on,

563
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,519
I was like, how is she not dead? I'd seen

564
00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,799
that in the trailer. I was hopefully or I was

565
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:55,240
hoping that wasn't the case when I saw in the

566
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,720
trailers it's in the second one. I was like, God, damn,

567
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:00,559
his show his character getting killed and she didn't get killed.

568
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,680
But then at the time, I was like, how did

569
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,680
she not get killed? Because it looked like he was

570
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,599
like that was a lot of blood, you know. So,

571
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,039
but yeah, how did you take from why he maybe

572
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,119
couldn't kill her off?

573
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,839
Speaker 3: I think it just comes down to her being able

574
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,039
to conk well, she wasn't in control of her dream

575
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,160
yet at that point.

576
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,839
Speaker 2: So no, not until later.

577
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean I think I don't have an answer.

578
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,000
I mean, I feel like he just was being lazy

579
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:37,240
and he should have done it quicker, Like I liked

580
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,240
when everyone came into the room in the kitchen and

581
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:42,880
he didn't kill her in time, and so he just

582
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,640
like slowly glides back into the dark and then like

583
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,119
the next day starts. That was fucking freaky because you know,

584
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,240
he's just a consistent thing and he's gonna be there

585
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,640
and he's gonna come back. And so when we get

586
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,839
to his next attempt, yeah, because.

587
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: Like I said, every time the attempts, like he talked

588
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,240
to Finny via the phone, but it's now like Vinnie

589
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,960
goes to sleep and then that's when the grabber does

590
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,400
his stuff.

591
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: Right. It seems like only when she's asleep.

592
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm wondering because it's kind of like

593
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,279
what we you know, check out on Patreon and we'll

594
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:14,000
be coming to the main feeds. When we talk about

595
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:19,759
the Shining movie, how Jack and Dick and uh Danny,

596
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,359
they kind of get like a light bulb. It's kind

597
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,680
of like a tongue. It's like a battery beating put

598
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:28,640
on a tongue. That's what happens when you go on

599
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,720
the shining right, like it just like amplifies your shining ability.

600
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,240
So that's what I'm wondering if if she doesn't exist

601
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,599
with this sort of power, if he can even get

602
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:40,000
out right, because like she was just having dreams and

603
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,000
visions about this. It's not like he was back in

604
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,480
the community grabbing other kids.

605
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: It's not because, right.

606
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: He didn't do like technically he didn't do anything like

607
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:51,640
they they went there because she's having visions. They want

608
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,359
to investigate, right, But it's not like, oh, his m's

609
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,680
back and he's been grabbing kids or kids are going missing,

610
00:25:57,759 --> 00:25:58,880
like that's at the end of the movement.

611
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: She's gonna say, nobody.

612
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: I think this is just the movie and this is

613
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,680
up to interpretation. The movie features his him targeting them,

614
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,759
because I mean, that's where he's directing all his energy.

615
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:12,759
But I think if they weren't present and they weren't

616
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:14,799
a part of the story, he would and he still

617
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:19,319
died in the previous movie. I think he would still exist.

618
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,759
Speaker 2: But we don't know that world.

619
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,279
Speaker 3: I think he would because I do think we know

620
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:25,720
that because the kids were not put to bed, right,

621
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,319
they weren't put to rest, So he still exists. Based

622
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,559
on those three kids' bodies not being laid to rest.

623
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

624
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if because she's you know, has some

625
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,920
sort of I don't know what, I can't even remember

626
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,839
what the actual m Yeah, when she has some sort

627
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,519
of shining Like that's why i'd have to see if

628
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,000
we get a third one, if he can ever do

629
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:49,000
that without her, because every because you're right, that is,

630
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,839
the kids are around and that keeps him going. But

631
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,279
every time he gets out, it's still via her dreaming. Right,

632
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,240
So it's like he said, it's almost the same way

633
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,559
as Freddy, where that's a different thing, right, where if

634
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:02,960
anybody dreams, Freddy does something. But the whole thing with

635
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,880
Freddy is okay, if people aren't afraid of him, he's

636
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,960
like powerless, right, he can't get in your dreams that way.

637
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,119
Where this is not everyone has to be afraid of him.

638
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,559
He can just attack anybody. Like those two random campers,

639
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,960
the one that were really Christian, they had no experience

640
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,720
with the grabber, right, like other than maybe they might

641
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:19,759
have saw some pictures of him, but they didn't have

642
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,079
to be fearing of him. But every time he did attack,

643
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,400
it's when she was asleep. So that's the thing. It

644
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,240
never happened when she was awake, so I don't know

645
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,440
what would happen down the line, you.

646
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,279
Speaker 3: Know, did not happen with Finn at all.

647
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: They talked to the phone, but I don't know if

648
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,599
he did anything because lots of those things. I felt

649
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:39,079
like while he was on the phone, she was also

650
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,039
sleepwalking too, right, So that's where kind of doubles. But

651
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,640
he never he never brought him in because obviously Vinnie

652
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,480
never had any you know like that, Like he talked

653
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:51,680
on the phone, don't get me wrong, but he didn't

654
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,039
have any of those experiences where he was actively having

655
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,519
the visions and stuff, right, And again, we don't know

656
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,960
what's happening. And that's where it's much like Freddy. It's like, okay, clear,

657
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,119
there's some ghosts and stuff tied with the Grabber in

658
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,839
the first.

659
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: Movie, but we don't know if he's in a voodoo or.

660
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,039
Speaker 1: What the deal is, right, It's just that they were

661
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,039
tied to that house and now they're tied to uh,

662
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:11,519
you know, I guess these three barrels. So I don't know,

663
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,480
I don't know what he's doing, but I also don't

664
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,200
mind if they don't explain that.

665
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:16,799
Speaker 2: I did like that he kind of.

666
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,079
Speaker 1: He have like some lore of some like that he's

667
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,759
like spoken with the devil. I don't even think he's

668
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,400
I don't think he even said the D word. I

669
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,079
think he just I think he just said him like

670
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:28,799
he applied it.

671
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: And I like that.

672
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: He's you know, I'm talking about death and he's like, oh,

673
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,519
you know, after death, like what happens like you just

674
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,880
become a shell of your sins and it's just it's

675
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,279
almost like if what's.

676
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: A big hole of sins or whatever.

677
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,039
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, yeah, I got a bond just so Yeah,

678
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,359
So I did like that aspect where you know that

679
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:47,359
who knows, you know, whatever you believe in. But if

680
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,599
there is like a heaven hell, I do could because

681
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:51,599
that's the thing, right when we talk about these concepts

682
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:52,960
of what could be up the rook could.

683
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,039
Speaker 2: Be down there. I think I I do like this

684
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,279
that they propose of.

685
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,799
Speaker 1: Okay, if he dies and he goes to hell, just

686
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,680
because this Grabber is like I think, even worse than

687
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,200
the first grabber. Right, Like the first grabber you kind

688
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,799
of be out smart with or maybe even get to

689
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,160
some of his emotions.

690
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,279
Speaker 2: But with this one.

691
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: He's just fully angry, and that's why it kind of

692
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960
feels like, Okay, it is a shell of the grabber,

693
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:16,599
like it's still the grabber, but it's him, and it's

694
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:18,519
worse because he is just all the sins and all

695
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:19,079
the bad stuff.

696
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:20,359
Speaker 2: So I did it like that They.

697
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,599
Speaker 1: Insinuated that he kind of had some interactions with a

698
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,000
devil or greatest food because he even said like, oh

699
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,799
I it took me a long time to remember, and

700
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:30,000
he finally gave.

701
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: Me back some of my memories and stuff. So it's like,

702
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,599
who's he? Who's that?

703
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,799
Speaker 1: And again, I don't think you should ever explained that

704
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,400
stuff because it's the same thing as Freddy. It's like, Okay,

705
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,000
I get the point of the story, right, is okay,

706
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:44,119
he goes to trial that goes wrong and the parents

707
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,279
take it on upon themselves, like fuck this guy, we're

708
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,079
gonna burn them, right, But at that point, why should

709
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,759
he come back to punish these parents? I get the idea, right,

710
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,359
you did like a bad deed, but it's still like

711
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,039
they're still punishing an actually guilty pedophile. You know, It's

712
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,039
not like they screwed up and he's and guy. So

713
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:02,880
I get why it's punished for your sins, but really

714
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,039
that you know, he deserved what he got. So but

715
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,559
in Freddie they never explain like he's in a dark

716
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:09,319
magic this and that. It's just like he got spat

717
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,519
back up and he's like a like a product of hell.

718
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,519
And I kind of like that here. I don't need

719
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,680
to know, oh there's a book or this and that,

720
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:17,160
like just keep it ambiguous.

721
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,079
Speaker 3: So that's the line. Actually, just remember what he said

722
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:23,480
when he was talking and I think he's talking to

723
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,559
Finn and he's like, hey, I you made me kill

724
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:29,440
my brother. What you did to me? I love my brother,

725
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,519
and he's just fucking screaming at him that holy fuck,

726
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:33,480
this is brutal.

727
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, which if I recall, I don't think i'd have

728
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:36,880
to rewatch it.

729
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,599
Speaker 2: I don't think he loved his brother that much.

730
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:41,519
Speaker 3: He you know, his brother pissed him off.

731
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just like his tenant to like keep

732
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:45,920
him hiding and stuff like that. But yeah, we got

733
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,799
a cameo from his brother, which that didn't really scare me.

734
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:50,759
They telegraphed that too much. I almost felt like they

735
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:53,640
moved the camera before, like the loud jump scare. But

736
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:55,960
uh yeah, people were wondering the one that got masked,

737
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,240
and it is in the trailers, but it's not as loud.

738
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,839
It is the first time you see one of the

739
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,480
kids appear out of the under the bed, but they

740
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,759
set up where she's dreaming. She kind of hears something

741
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,160
going on. So the first shot is from under her bed,

742
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,160
which is always scary. She looks nothing there, she gets

743
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,640
back up. It seems like it's okay, but then she

744
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,200
hears something else bed beside her, because it's like a

745
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,599
cabin that's like a bunch of bunk beds, and that

746
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,599
kid is in there.

747
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: She's no.

748
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: She looks and then boom jumps out. So good jump scar.

749
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,559
Really that was pretty much like I said. They tried

750
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,119
with the brother but that didn't really really work at all.

751
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,519
There's a couple other times, but I appreciate it that

752
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,079
they What I enjoyed was and they did this in

753
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,880
the first but I feel like they did better versions here.

754
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,480
There's two I really liked where when Finny was talking

755
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,960
on the phone at one point to the grabber and

756
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:42,559
they're doing a circle around them. So they came on

757
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,759
the phone and that starts they talk and when they

758
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:46,920
do the circle when they come back to them, the

759
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,599
ghosts of the three kids are there in the background,

760
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240
like way far and they're not doing anything scary. It's

761
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,160
not like a big loud jump effect. They're just there.

762
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,200
And then when they do another circle, and it's so

763
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,160
funny though, because you can see because they just like,

764
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,039
we've been here before.

765
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: When they did the third circle.

766
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Or the second circle, the camera like moved in because

767
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,880
it was like the phone booth corner, and then to

768
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,720
the left there was like you could see the snow.

769
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,039
But when they did the second circle, the camera like

770
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,519
zoomed into the phone booth corner. So I imagine what

771
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,079
happened was like those kids like ran off to the

772
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,480
side of the screen because I feel like I could

773
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,720
just see, Okay if they like change up, but I

774
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,599
like that because then the next time, the kid's standing

775
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,519
right there close to the phone booth right.

776
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,119
Speaker 2: And the other one I like too.

777
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: Is at the beginning of the movie when Vinnie's having

778
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,720
when we see the grabber just hanging out his yard.

779
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,559
No jump scare, no chasing, he's just he's literally suffering

780
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,440
from PTSD and he's reliving conversations and stuff that he

781
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:41,000
had with the grabber and he's just having them with

782
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,480
a version of him in the yard. Then the sister

783
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,119
kind of comes like he snaps out of it. But

784
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,960
I like that it was that where it's just not

785
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:51,079
all PTSD is gonna be these ghostss like barking at you,

786
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:52,880
run you. It's just kind of gonna be this mental

787
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,240
image of you can't really escape.

788
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:56,279
Speaker 2: And that's one thing too.

789
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: That guy, I'll pulp his name, but I thought that

790
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,960
speech was really good because some actors that could have

791
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240
been cheesy. But when he he just breaks down, because

792
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,119
they make this character very angry, but it seems like

793
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,240
it doesn't seem like he's okay, but it just seems

794
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,359
like he's he's putting on a front like he's like

795
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,400
he doesn't seem I think they did a very good

796
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,400
layered job because he seems damaged but also not like

797
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,079
a loose cannon. But when he breaks down, you can see, man,

798
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:21,759
this guy's still and that's why I liked about that

799
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,839
scene of the grabbages in his yard. He's still almost

800
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,400
like mentally stuck where he was before. But it also

801
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,960
wasn't this character who was just like blubbering and just

802
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,519
super emotional. The whole time, Like it felt like a

803
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,720
good balance of someone that's trying to push forward and

804
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:37,960
trying to get through it, but it's still really fucked up.

805
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,559
And I think his scene when he broke down was

806
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,640
really good. So I like those. We had a couple

807
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:43,640
jump scares, but I like those scares too, where it

808
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,880
was just the thing appears and it's not it's just

809
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,160
scary because it's there, you know.

810
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:48,519
Speaker 2: So I really appreciated those.

811
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's see here.

812
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: So we've talked about that. So guys, I'm trying to

813
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,119
think what the first setup was. I guess she just

814
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,079
has her dreams and everything.

815
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: But sleepwalks and wanders into his old basement, which is

816
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,679
just fucking crazy. Luckily your brother is always there and

817
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,320
on the case.

818
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: I did like though that He's like, oh, you were

819
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,400
sleepwalk and then I just followed you. It's like falled

820
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,920
you like, wake her up?

821
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: Stop me?

822
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, wake her up.

823
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,159
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I will say before I forget

824
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:23,719
to get to the kids, because yeah, they and I

825
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,800
guess we go there where she's having these visions of

826
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,119
the of the.

827
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,039
Speaker 2: Cab and the camp whatever.

828
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,519
Speaker 1: Uh, and then they find out that the mom went

829
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,079
there at some point, because they did something in the

830
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,159
beginning of the movie where a girl's on a pay phone,

831
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,079
of course, and she's talking to some of the other

832
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,480
end and we don't hear it, and it's a girl

833
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,000
that's in nineteen fifty seven. Later on they do dovetail

834
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:44,960
that and book end it where that was. They do

835
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:48,400
this cool scene where it is the daughter that was

836
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,320
actually talking with their mom at the beginning, and then

837
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,119
at the end too, they share a scene which was

838
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,039
that was really good too, where the phone rings and

839
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,280
you think, okay, could it be the grab or sending

840
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,000
up a third one. I actually thought it was just

841
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,320
gonna be the kids thank her for letting them out,

842
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,880
but no, it was her mom saying, oh, it's really

843
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,599
nice here. Obviously that I don't know how that works

844
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,280
in this world. It felt like this type of stuff

845
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,000
was tied to almost like Satanism and that type of stuff.

846
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,599
So I didn't know how the mom was maybe sound

847
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,719
like calling from heaven. Didn't know how that really worked there,

848
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,639
But I liked the sentiment behind the scene, and that's

849
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,920
where to me, like the last seeing this movie and

850
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,360
it's like, oh, tell your brother I said this, and

851
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,400
give them a hug get to that.

852
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:28,119
Speaker 2: Like last scene, this movie.

853
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: Is very emotional and I love that it was not

854
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,239
like a Grabber coming out of scare setting up a sequel,

855
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,960
which we'll talk, but there's probably there's some wiggle room there.

856
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
I think they gave themselves. But I really liked everything

857
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,079
they did with the Mum, and that's where also throw

858
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:43,480
to you. They also revealed that which was a big jump,

859
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,960
a big change. Again, it's their characters, so they did that,

860
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,639
and I think it's still worse for me here. But

861
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,800
in the first movie they kind of set up because

862
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,760
she has the same episodes like Ghen where she has

863
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,239
like the mental vision stuff that she killed herself because

864
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,639
she couldn't take it. They reveal that because the Grabber

865
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,239
was around doing this stuff, it reminded her of her

866
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,280
time in the cabin when these three kids went missing, and.

867
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: She started to put together the Grabber again.

868
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: Don't know how he figured that out, if it's he

869
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,280
just figured that out, or if he also has some

870
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,360
sort of shining like abilities in a sense right too,

871
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,400
Because they didn't they didn't fully dive into how he

872
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,960
figured out the mom knew, but that's what they retroactively did.

873
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,639
Speaker 3: She drove into his driveway with the headlights on full,

874
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,679
So I mean doesn't take much, right.

875
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I guess he could have recognized her,

876
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,079
But I just wonder, like why he just jumped just

877
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,320
like kidnapping it right away, right, But like, I guess

878
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,039
I can buy that because the grabber is probably a

879
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:37,519
paranoid guy. But yeah, they revealed that the grabber killed

880
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,880
the mom and it.

881
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: Was not the mom committing suicide.

882
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,639
Speaker 1: And I thought that scene was one of my That

883
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,079
might be my favorite sequence. When Gwen gets in the

884
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,039
dream and she's watching the mom get grabbed, and then

885
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,599
when you're in the truck, it's the old grabber like

886
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:56,440
from like I don't know, like the let's just say

887
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:59,880
nineteen eighties. He's driving the car and then the mum's

888
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,599
in the backseat where then our current day like demon

889
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,360
the grabber's there with Gwen and when they open the

890
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,760
door and it shows and just a horrified look on

891
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,840
Gwen and then it's just like the Grabber's sin there.

892
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:13,360
He's all rodden and stuff like, oh, I just wanted

893
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,320
to give you the benefit and show you what happened. Yeah,

894
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,320
Like that to me was probably my favorite scene. Because

895
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,119
it was just so fucked up. It was like, you're

896
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
making this person relive something that they didn't know. An

897
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,519
even though it's a revelation of your mom didn't take

898
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:29,119
their own life, it's it's still like worse than a

899
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:30,000
sense too, because.

900
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,079
Speaker 2: You're having to see what actually happened there the dad.

901
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:33,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, what do you think about all this stuff

902
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,320
from the mom and the dar talking multiple times to

903
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,440
the reveal the grabber, because that's where I was worried.

904
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,840
When they're like, oh, he knew that mom knew, I

905
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,800
was like, oh no, I don't know, Like because sometimes

906
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,199
when movies do that and they they go back to

907
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,519
the originally change some stuff, it doesn't work.

908
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, how did you feel about a lot of

909
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,559
the usage of the mom here?

910
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 3: I like it, And again I think it helps prop

911
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,400
up the daughter a bit more by establishing, Okay, like

912
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,639
these kids have this ability because of the mom. The

913
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,000
mom is kind of what started it. And so when

914
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,239
you get into the storyline here that uh, the mom

915
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:10,119
is having dreams of a kid being kidnapped and goes

916
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,119
to the grabber's house and knows where the kid is,

917
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,360
and then the grabber just pops out of his van

918
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,719
and ducts her and whatnot. I liked all that, I

919
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,960
really did. And I liked the concept too, where it

920
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,960
was all just a lie. The grabber secretly well not

921
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,960
secretly murder, but and then secretly hung her in the garage.

922
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: That that's one thing where I think the retrospective like,

923
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:34,320
I don't believe he would have went through all that

924
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,079
trouble maybe, you know, like what like because like what

925
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,280
like if she just die, if he just cut her

926
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,280
throat and threw her somewhere, I don't think they would

927
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,880
have been like, oh, this is connected to the grab

928
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,000
or who's stealing kids?

929
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: Right like, well, you never know, Yeah, I guess you

930
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:47,760
never know.

931
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: I just thought I was looking for maybe more of

932
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,880
a reason there, because even then, why you're not just

933
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,920
kill her and put her where all the other bodies

934
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,480
are buried, right like if you're just like hiding in stuff.

935
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,119
But it was fine that That's where I think that

936
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,159
they didn't think of this in the first movie.

937
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: I could be wrong.

938
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:04,599
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like they were looking at

939
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,880
the script and like, oh, we could change this, you know,

940
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,920
but it's fine.

941
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: They made it work, so yeah.

942
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and same thing too, like with the grabber

943
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,239
when he takes his kid, not realize that all that's

944
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,320
her daughter, Like once he sees the news and everything, right,

945
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,079
Like I feel like you'd kind of get or her son. Sorry,

946
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,199
So there's a little bit of a coincidence there.

947
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: And that's one thing.

948
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Again it's a it's a My my biggest complaint are

949
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,800
the pacing and some exposition. Those are the things that

950
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,679
actually affect the store. This doesn't affect it really at all.

951
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:34,840
But when they talk about these kids, right, these three

952
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,400
kids that go missing, and again I this was chilling.

953
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:41,079
This was the dreams were kind of felt like they

954
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:44,719
were in the same universe. The flashbacks how the kids died.

955
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,599
That was pretty that was literally just them doing sinister again,

956
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,320
Like it felt like that where obviously it's a film grain,

957
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,760
but it's like from the it looks like it's from

958
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,920
the perspective of a camera. In the third one, they

959
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,840
do eventually like back dound. You see like the grab

960
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,719
where he has his shirt off and stuff. He's again

961
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,440
all fucking gross and whatnot. Why is he have a

962
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,639
sure off and it's ice colts because he's a fucking pervert.

963
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,039
But like that's where the first two it's all looks

964
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,679
like it's from the grabber's perspective. It just felt like

965
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,519
Beghoul was back and he was, you know, doing that stuff.

966
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:14,199
Speaker 2: So I liked all that.

967
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're seeing these kids, You're seeing their leg

968
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,880
get chopped off, You're seeing access to the stomachs and

969
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,599
bloody sees burn, you see this kid head get split

970
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,039
in two. It was some I was kind of surprised, like,

971
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:26,360
I don't know if that would get you to turn

972
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,079
into X rating, but I was surprised that it could

973
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:30,880
still be a radar with this stuff going on. But

974
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,679
as we said, the plot is okay, one of we

975
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,159
don't know the full thing, right, We don't know if

976
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:37,719
he can do this alone, if he needs this with

977
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,440
the girl, but at least one of the aspects is

978
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:41,320
the reason he can get out in this area is

979
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,480
because of these three boys.

980
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,199
Speaker 2: And they haven't been you know found.

981
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: I kind of laugh when you know, so what these

982
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,400
kids get what they went missing in nineteen fifty seven

983
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,039
and then the place got shut down fifty eight and

984
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,159
they they go to I kind of find the guy's name,

985
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,800
the main counselor there because the people, if people are

986
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,639
listenings that didn't watch as there's like a Christian married couple.

987
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,840
There's Mustang, who's kind of which I appreciate. They didn't

988
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,239
really go into like him or Finny and her having

989
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,599
like a like a romantic relationship. Just felt like it

990
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,280
was kind of like flirty and whatnot, which worked for me. Right,

991
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,599
they're like young kids and that's cool, all good.

992
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,639
Speaker 2: And then they have let me find the counselor's name

993
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:28,480
here a Mando, so of course fucking Mando. They have him.

994
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: They tell a story about and again because something I

995
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,480
appreciate too, when the first dream what happened went down

996
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,960
with the grabber they found there was random, strange. They

997
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,760
just sargon tossed around the room. So I was happy

998
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,800
we didn't have to have fifteen twenty minutes to be like,

999
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,280
you're crazy, it's not real. Again, I think you could

1000
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,679
have still cut down some other stuff. But when they

1001
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,639
have they talk about this, They talk about the kids,

1002
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,159
and he tells the whole story, like all they went

1003
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:58,679
missing and there's three kids. He first look, he goes

1004
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,079
on ice and shines a light. Uh, there's Mick, there's Big,

1005
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:07,599
so there's Ben. I was like, what, like, like I

1006
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,000
think it'd be different if one kid went missing, because

1007
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:11,000
you would just think.

1008
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,679
Speaker 2: That they could be anywhere, right, a bear, this and that.

1009
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,599
Speaker 1: But when three kids, if you're thinking, I know, it's

1010
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:17,920
in the fifty seven, so maybe maybe they didn't think

1011
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,119
that way, But like when three kids go missing, you're

1012
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,280
gonna think, hey, something, something's up here.

1013
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:26,039
Speaker 2: The fact that like they were just in the ice.

1014
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: They're they're ten feet away, just there, and the other

1015
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,880
two kids I was fine with because they're in barrels

1016
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,239
and they're deep down. But when he found that first

1017
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,800
kid by just like shining a flashlight and just found

1018
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,960
like a frozen skeleton, It's like, did no one think

1019
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:41,880
to look out here? Like this has been open for

1020
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,599
another thirty years and no one went on the ice

1021
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:47,400
and was like, oh, look there's there. There's a dead

1022
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,119
body frozen here. So I felt that was a little easy,

1023
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:51,639
But yeah, what.

1024
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 2: Do you think about some of the stuff of the kids.

1025
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: And we did get the orgin, which I like, it's

1026
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,719
kind of again a coumbo of Freddy and Jason where

1027
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,599
they did reveal that he was the grabber was when

1028
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,840
he was like eighteen or whatever. It was a counselor there,

1029
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,920
so that's how he was probably taking some of his

1030
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,519
first victims, was being a trusting adult that was looking

1031
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:11,199
after these people and you know, alosly not doing great things.

1032
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I liked that and I thought as soon

1033
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,880
as they grabbed the photo, the picture of him off

1034
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,079
the wall, I thought, oh, absolutely, they're gonna spot him

1035
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,119
in there. And everything kind of came full circle when

1036
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,320
it's like, oh, this guy used to run into camp

1037
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,159
and then bought the property, and then you got all

1038
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,440
their moms in the photo and then sure, shit, there's

1039
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,039
the grabber in there too for kill long hair. Still. Yeah,

1040
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:37,519
so yeah, No, I think everything with the kids it

1041
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:42,599
worked out. I it's it parallels with that first movie.

1042
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,719
Right when the first movie it was about the kids

1043
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,000
saving him, but also you know, if he gets out,

1044
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,760
then he frees their spirits. And so that's kind of

1045
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,000
a theme that has been sticking and yeah, running with it.

1046
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,679
The idea though that Gwen, it's kind of like this conduit.

1047
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:04,039
It just reminds me of, oh, where is the check

1048
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,480
who had the psychic powers? And I think it was

1049
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,320
with U Tommy. He was in this one. No, it

1050
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,440
was Friday, Friday the thirteenth, and I think, yeah, I

1051
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,880
think it's the thirteenth part sick Jason up with her

1052
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,280
psychic abilities. Remember that.

1053
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,159
Speaker 2: Well, no, no that's not one what tol me. I

1054
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:24,840
think that's the one after because he and it's seven Yeah,

1055
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,119
break some free. He might be the the that goes

1056
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:36,320
to New York one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. There,

1057
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:36,599
you go.

1058
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,679
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take our probably last ad break here

1059
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:42,599
and then we'll be right back okay, And.

1060
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: Then yeah, the dad was back. I'm a big sucker

1061
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,119
for Jeremy Davies.

1062
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,079
Speaker 1: I've always liked him since uh justified No he's and

1063
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,679
other stuff, but I really liked him and that.

1064
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:54,119
Speaker 2: But yeah, I really liked him as a dad.

1065
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: I liked that they kind of showed that, Okay, he

1066
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,119
was he's stopped the drinking, he's trying to be a

1067
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:00,960
better person. Also, last wee these kids, he doesn't do

1068
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,480
that anymore. So luckily and they're good.

1069
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 3: Scene.

1070
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: He shows up, it snowed in and he's like, well,

1071
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,559
I'm just gonna get a tractor and go find my

1072
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:11,880
kids because they're probably screwed.

1073
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,599
Speaker 2: You know, they're screwed.

1074
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,159
Speaker 1: And he shows up there, He's like, oh, I like

1075
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:16,800
they just showed up happy like, we're good to go,

1076
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,840
let's get out of here, and obviously a bunch of

1077
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,239
stuff is going on. And same thing they because the

1078
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,519
first movie he was a doubter of his daughter having

1079
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:27,960
these visualist thought she's probably schizophranic like her mom. But

1080
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,079
then in this one there's a big speech in the snow.

1081
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: Again. I like that they just kind of accepted to

1082
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,119
move on some people.

1083
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:34,559
Speaker 1: That might be a calm, but I just I don't

1084
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,559
need another ten minutes of the dad being like, I

1085
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:38,559
don't think this is real. Like at the end, he's

1086
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:41,559
just he's with everybody. She gives him a few details

1087
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,280
of the night she would know, and then he's with everybody,

1088
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,679
very bold to like I guess adrenaline's kicking in. But

1089
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,000
at one point they're trying to they have these wires

1090
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,239
that are pulling the barrels up and the grabber, of course,

1091
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,800
kicks one down. Jeremy Davis, the dad just goes like

1092
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,280
jumps fully into the ice water to get this barrel.

1093
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,519
Speaker 2: He's dead. He's dead.

1094
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: This is nineteen is the eighties. He's down there for

1095
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,719
how long, like he's a dead man. But yeah, that

1096
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,760
third act was really good. Obviously there's tons of scares

1097
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,400
throughout and good moments and good set pieces. But this

1098
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,880
moment of all the characters on the Ice the Grabber,

1099
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,679
which I love, they just show his feet. His feet

1100
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:19,800
are just like he has like ice skates on his feet,

1101
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,000
So again has that Freddy kougarism where he almost has superpowers,

1102
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,920
but it never got like over the top. But yeah,

1103
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,000
he's just skating around, fucking people up, trying to cut them,

1104
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,800
choke them, everything. And then that's when she realized she

1105
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,400
has some powers them once they got all of them

1106
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,440
out the boys. The boys were starting to grab him

1107
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,719
and turned around and then hit the acts ahead. They

1108
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,480
ripped off his mask and he was like a very

1109
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,639
like his face was kind of almost what you'd look

1110
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:44,960
at like if you were to see a body like

1111
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:46,719
it was semi decomposed.

1112
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: It looked like it was in the ground.

1113
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: And they're messing him up and they get to a

1114
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,480
good point where she's gonna hold him back with her powers.

1115
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,159
But as we said, because of this dream state world,

1116
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:58,199
it's still brought on the real world. So Ifinny can

1117
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,960
see at one point it's kind of outline like he's

1118
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,840
holding onto something and it's moving, so he can see

1119
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,760
he's there. He grabs him by the head, just destroys,

1120
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,760
puts his face into the ice a bunch of times,

1121
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,039
repeats that you know, a hell's filve of ice or whatnot.

1122
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,079
And like I said, I don't know if they're gonna

1123
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:18,280
do more, but to me, what they do is the

1124
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,760
boys are out, there's a big ice hole. They throw

1125
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,679
them in the ice hole. But as he's like skating,

1126
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,519
like sliding across the ice, he makes a point because

1127
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,079
when they take off his mask, he's like almost afraid

1128
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,519
that it's off right, And when he's going in the ice,

1129
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:32,079
he like make sure he gets it and gets his

1130
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:34,239
mask and puts it back on. And then again I'm

1131
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,760
talking about shots, there's this great shot of he's in

1132
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,159
the ice and all three that like the ghost boys

1133
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:41,559
are like bringing him down and they're in the water.

1134
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,800
Like very cool shot, so to me, And then what

1135
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,920
happens is they zoom in on the ice and then uh,

1136
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,639
he's just kind of frozen there.

1137
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:53,159
Speaker 2: So he does not explode or disappear or go away.

1138
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: It's like to me, I said, to you get in

1139
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,000
the car where it's like I could literally see a

1140
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,440
teaser or a third movie opening up where it's in

1141
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:01,440
the ice and the ice starts to crack. But yeah,

1142
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,440
what did you think about the finale of this movie?

1143
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,039
Speaker 3: I liked it. I liked it a lot. I think

1144
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,400
with everything picking up and him skating around, that was

1145
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,559
really cool. How the glass, all the glass of the

1146
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:13,960
ice is just kind of like fused to his bony, frozen,

1147
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,039
bloody feet and he's got a pair of skates. I

1148
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,039
thought that was sweet. But yeah, he's just skating around,

1149
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:21,679
just decimating. And yet when he does that like belt

1150
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,800
loop around Finn and does that like a jump over

1151
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,639
and like pulls him back on his back and was

1152
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,519
choking him. The fuck that's just that was a really

1153
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:32,840
cool scene. That was crazy. But all in all, No,

1154
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,079
I think, uh, I think it was pretty good. I'm

1155
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,719
pretty content with with how things kind of wrapped up

1156
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,519
in this whole final battle. I liked how you get

1157
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,800
this crazy, freaky moment where Finn just because like sees

1158
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,880
this like this like of a skeleton struggling and then

1159
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,679
just goes over it and you see visibly puts his

1160
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,239
hands on his leg and then it's like smashing his

1161
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:52,599
head in.

1162
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:54,199
Speaker 2: No.

1163
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,679
Speaker 3: I I liked I liked the whole, the whole kind

1164
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,239
of set up here in the whole fall on the water.

1165
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:03,599
The one thing I can't remember his name, but like

1166
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,199
the camp owner just still blows my mind that they

1167
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,480
saved him. I thought for sure one of these camp

1168
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,519
people would get killed, just to kind of increase the stakes.

1169
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:14,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we never lost anybody like you. We didn't.

1170
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,119
Speaker 1: We didn't lose the very Christian couple, which again I

1171
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,960
liked that humor of a couple like god Bible thumping jokes.

1172
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,039
I liked the new boyfriend Gwen, like he was in

1173
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:27,679
there a good amount and he believed her.

1174
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: They've had a fun back and forth like that was

1175
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,159
a scene that like see that, Like I like the scene,

1176
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:34,840
but that scene.

1177
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: Ship the first stream in there laying in bed, that

1178
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,280
was when we're like, okay, this is going on too long.

1179
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,159
Like I didn't feel the chemistry there. I was like, oh,

1180
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,360
this scene is magnetic, Like keep going. That one where

1181
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,519
I was like I had a fun payoff of him

1182
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,599
being you know, Finn being like oh am I pretty too,

1183
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:48,639
and like you've been listening the whole time.

1184
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: That was good.

1185
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,159
Speaker 1: But like that scene was a solid five minutes, and

1186
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,760
usually I like that stuff. I guess it was just

1187
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,159
that it was the pacing or I just wasn't buying

1188
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,880
the chemistry there. But that character by itself was not annoying,

1189
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,000
and I was worried he was just gonna be the

1190
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,920
big time comedic relief where he had some comedic relief,

1191
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,000
but he was not, like I said, some just joke

1192
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,639
joke machine or anything. It felt like it was, you know,

1193
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,679
as you would say, innocent humor for the most part.

1194
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,800
And but yeah, Grabber really didn't take any new victims here.

1195
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,079
You know, I guess it probably makes it for our

1196
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,400
characters and easy in the real world with the police,

1197
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,480
right because if anyone died, they're gonna be like, Okay,

1198
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:21,920
well what happened here?

1199
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,679
Speaker 2: Right the you know, the Grabber he's been dead stuff.

1200
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: So but yeah, the way he Frozewi got taken away,

1201
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,400
do you think you could do you think he could

1202
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:29,880
come back?

1203
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: And would you want a third one?

1204
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,199
Speaker 3: I think he absolutely could come back, and then yes,

1205
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,920
I do want a third one. I like I like

1206
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,159
how these stories are going here with our main characters,

1207
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:41,239
although I feel like our main characters their narrative kind

1208
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,360
of wrapped up in this movie, so you know, you

1209
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,440
could give us something that's along the lines of an

1210
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,039
anthology or something like that. I think at this point

1211
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:51,960
I would be okay with like a prequel.

1212
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: But the thing is if you do a prequel, then

1213
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,440
you probably lose the elements of the like the grabbers,

1214
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,639
like a freak googer like right, because he doesn't have

1215
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,440
that power.

1216
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

1217
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's it.

1218
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: Like you could do a pre coel, you definitely could

1219
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,559
talk about the past. So yeah, I'm not sure what

1220
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:11,960
they do here.

1221
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: I I do.

1222
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: Think there is a way to awaken him up from yes,

1223
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,119
because it was so quick and just so passive, I

1224
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:22,920
thought to myself, well, they can absolutely bring him back.

1225
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,679
And that's where I got the idea, like a Friday

1226
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,639
thirteenth or you know, you get another person with a

1227
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,960
shining walks into camp and it does something and then

1228
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:31,000
he just wakes up.

1229
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1230
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,039
Speaker 1: No, you could easily do that where you there's three

1231
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:35,880
routes you can go. You can just go third one

1232
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,559
with everyone back. Right as far as just okay, they

1233
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:40,920
find a new story for this family because they've they've

1234
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:42,800
I think that's one thing that they've made it. It

1235
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,119
reminds me similar to it or even Stranger Things also

1236
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:48,239
those five seasons. But it's like you now have a

1237
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,440
core group of characters with the brothers sister of the dad,

1238
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,920
even so they side characters where you could see them

1239
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,039
come back and you would enjoy these characters.

1240
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:56,519
Speaker 2: Right, so you just make a third one. That's it.

1241
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: You could do the classic, which I wouldn't want. I

1242
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,280
don't think they would do. And I think because people

1243
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,239
are and like I said, I think that's a strength

1244
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,719
this movie. That conversation between the dad and the daughter

1245
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,800
and Finny like in the snow about not going back

1246
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,039
and everything. I thought it was really well done, really good.

1247
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,320
In lots of horror movies that doesn't happen or it

1248
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,199
feels kind of hollow.

1249
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: But you could go the route. That's why I would always.

1250
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: Worry if it's not the original writers where they just

1251
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,159
quickly kill off the old leads and then you go

1252
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:24,679
to the new ones, which horror movies used to do

1253
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,440
all the time, right, where it'd be, oh, you pick

1254
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:28,519
up with the new one and then all let's get

1255
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:30,960
the new blood. I would like it where yeah, maybe

1256
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,599
those characters are away, or maybe those are the characters

1257
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:35,360
you have to go find to bring them back to

1258
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,920
help you. But it was somebody else with this type

1259
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,760
of power, something that kind of, yeah, accidentally did woke

1260
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,119
them up, because like we were talking about the car where, Okay,

1261
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,400
if this is nineteen fifty seven, and I think they

1262
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,280
said it was nineteen eighty when this all went down,

1263
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:50,599
almost thirty years.

1264
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:52,639
Speaker 2: To me, he has lots of victims.

1265
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: I feel like there'd be other places where bodies and

1266
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,199
remains are not uncovered, right, So I feel like that

1267
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,880
could be a condo as well too. It's like, hey,

1268
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,880
maybe we can't haunt you at the cabin or this location,

1269
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,039
but somewhere else, right, So also you have to see

1270
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:07,280
success wise. But yeah, I would actually completely down with

1271
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,000
new characters the way Freddy would eventually, where they kind

1272
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,440
of cycle through a new cast each time, and I'd

1273
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:12,840
be down for that.

1274
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,159
Speaker 2: I'd be down for more dreams and more sequences.

1275
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: But at the same point, which is a good thing,

1276
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,800
I don't think they're just gonna make a sequel for

1277
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,679
the sake of making a sequel. Blumhouse might. Blumhouse might say,

1278
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,079
even if you guys don't want to do this, we're

1279
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:25,280
making it. But I feel like the writer's care and

1280
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,360
have put some effort into these characters, not just to

1281
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,960
cash in, right, So I guess we'll see. But yeah,

1282
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,079
because I was just looking so I didn't know. In

1283
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,800
the Black One spawned a in Cannon short film Dream Kill,

1284
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,760
also directed by Derekson, written by Cargo, released in the

1285
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,639
twenty twenty three VHS eighty five.

1286
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:44,639
Speaker 2: I did not know that.

1287
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:47,159
Speaker 1: So there's like a short film out there which I

1288
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:49,119
want to watch all the VHS is, so I'll have

1289
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,559
to check that out. But tayl their final thoughts in

1290
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:54,679
a reigning. Unless there's anything else we didn't talk.

1291
00:53:54,519 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 3: About, I can't think of anything else, but yeah, final thoughts.

1292
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,800
I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was I

1293
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,519
thought it was really entertaining, And of course, yes, like

1294
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:09,679
you highlighted, there are some moments where things do slow

1295
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,440
down a little bit, but for me, it wasn't a

1296
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,000
real big takeaway. And I can get on board with

1297
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:19,280
how everyone rallies together at this you know, little Bible camp,

1298
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,239
and what you think is just going to be these

1299
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,480
three friends on this adventure trying to deal with Hawk's

1300
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,199
character and the Grabber and all that kind of stuff,

1301
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:30,639
and then it just turns into like you have this

1302
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:36,079
whole little community just working together to deal with this threat.

1303
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,159
So I really really liked that. I thought that was good,

1304
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,920
and I liked how everything kind of comes full circle

1305
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,239
for the guy who bought the place and is running

1306
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,159
in the place. And as much as I thought, you know,

1307
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,480
we need some more deaths, it is nice that he survived.

1308
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,599
But yeah, all in all, I think this is one

1309
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:53,760
that I'm absolutely going to rewatch again because I feel

1310
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,519
like there's a lot of things that you can definitely

1311
00:54:55,599 --> 00:55:01,679
miss on the first viewing with this, So yeah, what

1312
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:08,639
to give it? Though, Oh, I think I'm gonna go

1313
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:11,400
I'm gonna go a nine out of ten. I'm gonna

1314
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,239
be generous. I had a really, really good time with this.

1315
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,440
But again, the only thing I'm gonna dock is just

1316
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,000
some of those slower parts where it just didn't really

1317
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:24,760
feel necessary, I guess. And by the time you get

1318
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,960
to them finding the first kid, it feels like you're

1319
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,920
an hour forty five into the movie, Like it feels

1320
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,159
like it's very long. Ways.

1321
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,599
Speaker 1: I know it was an hour for it, but it

1322
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:35,039
was about an hour because I looked at my phone

1323
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:37,039
because I was curious as a kay, I think it

1324
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:38,599
was like the first of the grabber like even like

1325
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,559
appears at all, like a like because you kind of

1326
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,840
like I mean appears as far as like the new

1327
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:46,920
Demonic Grabber, right that's after me, because obviously he appears

1328
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,079
first ten minutes when fitting season the Yard. But it's

1329
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:51,760
just like a like a flashback in a sense. Right,

1330
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,000
obviously it's a new scene film, but it's like a flashback.

1331
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:57,079
But yeah, it's like almost a like probably more like

1332
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,360
fifty minutes because we had the trails, but I checked

1333
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,400
because our movie's at seven ten and it was eight ten,

1334
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,199
and it's like, oh, finally eas here. And again I'm

1335
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:05,280
not saying that was what needed. It's just that they

1336
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,480
were kind of I think they kept cock teasing you

1337
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,119
with a lot of scares and whatnot. But that now

1338
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:10,920
that I know that, like I said, I wanna I

1339
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,840
want to hear it's almost like what we've we will

1340
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,480
tell on the news tomorrow. But like there's the people

1341
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:17,199
that are doing the it's serious and like, oh, like

1342
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,039
penny Wise won't be in it till the back half.

1343
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:20,760
So it's like, Okay, I'm kind of happy I know

1344
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,440
that because I kind of prepped myself. Right, it's the

1345
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,880
same thing with this. I didn't know what to do

1346
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,280
and you know, certain trailer stuff. So yeah, I'll go

1347
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,719
point just below you for now as an eight, but

1348
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:30,920
I could see myself get up to a nine. I

1349
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,199
think nine would be the stopping point. But I am

1350
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,199
gonna rewatch just when this happens, whenever I can see it,

1351
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,880
And like I said, I'll probably try and do dull feature.

1352
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,320
But all things I listed filmmaking, why score some great

1353
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,320
stoics and great shots very much. We tell boss whole time,

1354
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,920
applaud a big time for all the nighttime scenes. I

1355
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,239
can see everything going on. It's not squinting. That got

1356
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,079
lit up nice, which is great because yeah it's like lights, candles, flares, whatever,

1357
00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:59,119
light it up because I actually want to see these actors.

1358
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:00,079
Speaker 2: So that was a good thing.

1359
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, good vibes, good creed and like a good I

1360
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:05,639
only we told this enough. Very well done as far

1361
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:08,639
as using that environment and setting. It feels cold, there's

1362
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,800
storms all times, it's snowing. You feel like it. You

1363
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,960
never feel like it's just oh, there's a bunch of

1364
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,360
stuff and then you move on. It feels like you

1365
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,320
are stuck in this location and it's kind of like

1366
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,840
a character within itself. So yeah, I'm gonna go in

1367
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,159
eight for now, but I'll put asters that it could

1368
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:23,679
be higher.

1369
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: I need to kind of give it a rewatch and

1370
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,920
see how I feel. But yeah, that's my thoughts on there.

1371
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely liked it one of the first one,

1372
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,679
and yeah, I would happily take a third one to

1373
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,239
get some more ventures at the Grab and some nightmares stuff.

1374
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:37,360
But again, I think I specifically want the nightmare stuff.

1375
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,679
I don't know if the prequel could excite me because

1376
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:42,079
that wouldn't be in there, But yeah, let us know

1377
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,039
in the discord, Twitter, Patreon, Facebook, wherever, YouTube you listened

1378
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:48,480
to what you thought of the Black Phone too, and

1379
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,199
anything we missed or anything you want to talk to

1380
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,199
us about with our view. And I promise when you

1381
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:53,800
hear from this next I'll not be boring.