Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentlemen, and welcome to the six hundred and
seventy six episode of the geek Ers Podcast. I am
the Mustang Trastelle.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Bill taylor Field. You want that name
really after this movie?
Speaker 3: It's not bad. It's not bad, all right.
Speaker 2: We'll debate that after. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: But yes, lys, gentlemen, we're here to talk about The
Black Phone two Pardue chapter two, just to tonight. But yeah,
obviously we've been excited for this one for a while.
I can't remember when we got that first trailer, but
whenever it was, we were pretty hyped.
Speaker 2: You can go back.
Speaker 1: I did re release in the feeds if you're wondering
what our thoughts are on the Black Phone, even though
it was many moons ago, we did review me and
Taylor back in the day, so it is up there,
so if you want to get a little preview there,
And as always, this is gonna be our non spoils portion,
so we'll talk about our overall thoughts. So if you're
on the fence, if you're gonna see it later on,
or maybe you're not seeing it at all, but you
want to just know our thoughts we'll give you and
maybe it'll change your mind. We're gonna give you complete
non spoilers, and then after the first ad break, you'll
go into spoiled territory, so you won't be safe after that.
So if you hear anything after that, then that is
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Speaker 2: You'll see you and get the set.
Speaker 1: But this set has a fun Halloween vibes you, so
it should be a good time. But Tittfield the Black Phone.
Obviously it's been a minute because you said you haven't
watched it from the theater, so you're going just kind
of almost blindly, and so what do.
Speaker 3: You think about it? Too? That's how old? Really?
Speaker 2: Okay? I thought it really twenty two day two, huh.
Speaker 3: At least that's when I made the thumbnail black Phone. Yeah,
twenty twenty two O six twenty three at ten twenty
two PM is when I made the thumbnail.
Speaker 1: Really, I for some reason, I thought of this as
like a pre COVID movie. I don't know why, but
I guess I know that. Yeah, it wouldn't make sense.
I guess we were online and people enjoin us. Yeah,
so I guess. So it feels like it's been long.
It's okay, well just a little yeah, three because that
was October for about three years. Okay, so now three
years later we got the sequel. What do you think
of this one?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was on the fence at the time that
I heard about this, and it wasn't sure. Okay, what
are they going to be doing here? How are they
gonna do a sequel? And this is before they were
talking about all the how to say it's not smaller
the paranormal aspect. I had no idea how they were
going to be tackling this, and I thought maybe there's
a discussion like, oh, it's just going to be a
prequel or something like that. Ah well, that kind of
sucks because you already know how it's going to end
after watching the first one, so and I kind of
just kicking itself. But then the trailer comes out you
see that it's a paranormal aspect, and it's just the
the gloves are off. Now he's on a whole different
level than a whole different playing field. And I think
I really did enjoy this one more than the first.
I would really recommend this. I enjoyed it in the theater,
and I think, you know, if you're it's it's Halloween's
coming up soon, there's not a lot of horror movies
in the theater right now. I mean that have that
spooky paranormal aspect to it. I mean there's a conjuring sure, but.
Speaker 2: Next week.
Speaker 3: Too. Yeah, I would easily put this over the conjuring
this one. This one didn't rely on jump scares. I mean,
yes it had. I'd say like there were two, maybe three,
but like Mass is a really really good one.
Speaker 1: But Mass into the early labor I was premature for
the whole movie.
Speaker 2: My god, she's like a scooy. The jump was huge.
I haven't seen someone jump like that in a while.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a good jump. It was a
good jump. But I'm I love that they got Ethan
Hawk back as this character as the grabber on in
a paranormal aspect. He's just he's so good. He's really
really good. And yeah, there's just lots of stuff in
here that I was enjoying, and I'm excited to kind
of highlight those moments when we get into the spoilers.
But uh, yeah, I think I think everyone did a
great job, and it really motivated me to want to
go back and rewatch that first one because there are
certain characters and they're saying certain things, and I'm glad
that they didn't kind of give us at the beginning.
This isn't a spoiler like, oh, here's a quick rerun
of what happened you know, mission impossible final reckoning style
where you get like the paw like, oh, this is
what happened, you know, in the last movie in the
last like six months, what went down. I'm glad they
didn't do that. They just delivered a point A to
point Z storyline here, And if you want to just
kind of touch upon and familiarize yourself with this narrative
and with these characters, just go back and watch the
first one. It's as simple as that, which is what
I'm going to do, because I did enjoy that first one,
So I do I recommend this. If you aren't able
to get around to the theaters, you know, absolutely just
wait till it comes on streaming. But when it does
come on streaming, I think definitely watch it. I think
everyone should definitely give this a watch and watch that
first one too, so you can really feel the weight
of these characters and their decisions. I will say lastly,
I like that well the story was focusing on finn
it and again I can't remember fully that first one,
but his younger sister felt like the protagonist in this one,
and I like that a little bit more.
Speaker 1: In the first one, she has a big role, but
he's definitely the main protagonist the whole way out, or
if like this movie is deef a fifty to fifty
that go around, maybe well yeah, well, because I feel
like there's some big spoilers, but like I feel like
the first act mostly I think it's i'll say mostly
Finn or it's fitting his sister, right, and then I
feel like second act is kind of splitting and going
her way, and then the third act I feel like
it's like an ensemble sort of thing. So that's why
I think you're probably right. If you were to classify
someone as the main character, you could say her. But
that's why I'd say it's probably more like a dual
hander between the two of them, because there's times where
he is kind of the protagonist, right, and that we're
not spoiling anything, that the trails kinda show something off
that the sister has a bigger role, and if you
saw the first movie, you'd kind of understand why that
character would have a bigger role.
Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense, right, So h m hmm.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's different. Not spoilers, though. You can take it.
Speaker 2: Away, grab it, grab it over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one thing I will employ people now unless
you for some reason really didn't like the first one,
because I'll go back around with that. But what Taylor
said that, oh, if you don't catch in theaters, catch
on bod, I would I recommend it is not tron
level as far as like, oh every inch is popping off.
But there's some great cinematography here, some really great shots.
I will say from a oh sorry, then that crack.
I should have done it before. I'll say from a
directing and obviousely cinematographer, which.
Speaker 2: Is probably a Calmo. I don't. I'd have to look
at who shot this movie.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give credit to Derekson and his team overall,
so sintographer, everybody. There's some great looking stuff in here.
There is some really mesmerizing shots, and some of them
aren't even the like like all creepy dream stuff. It's
just like the location and as you've seen this trail,
it's like a snowy cabin. They do a great job
of making you feel the temperature, making you feel the atmosphere.
There's just this one great shot where they're panning out
as over the cabin and it was a bunch of trees.
It was all like the pine trees and they had
snow on them and it was like the wind moving them.
Maybe it's cgi or whatnot, but it didn't look like that,
and everything looked really good Pristina here, So I would
recommend if you're if you like horror films and you're
just kind of even a nut for visuals, if you
like that medium or put that top tier as far
as one of the reasons you see films, I definitely
recommend it because I think this is one of the
best looking horror movies we've got. I'll just say this decond.
I'm not gonna say all time, because there's also many, right,
but I'll say in the podcast era, it looks very good.
So I don't know if the boys would see this one,
because I would honestly have for multiple Golden geeks.
Speaker 2: I'd have for that. Another thing I highlight the score.
Speaker 1: I don't know who it is, but I'm guessing against
the director's son because it was they had the last
name Derekson, so I'm not sure if it's the Sun
or some related.
Speaker 2: But the score was really good.
Speaker 1: It kind of kept some of those creepy tones from
the first one, but then it had, yeah, some kind
of nightmare, Elm Street synth going on.
Speaker 2: There, and then that just had some wild sounds.
Speaker 1: It's just like weird sounds that you don't kind of
like the way Hannibal would be not it doesn't. It
doesn't have the percussion like Cannibal, but Hannibal would just
have sounds or instruments or noise where you're.
Speaker 2: Like, what made this noise?
Speaker 1: And that had that here too, So all the technical
aspects really well made here. And like I said, I
might be able to say it's his best movie because
my history of Scott Derekson is I loved.
Speaker 2: Sinister, right, I still like I guess it's a myersport.
Speaker 1: I probably would still put Sinister over this, and I
will talk about I think the one coin I have
this movie, but I need to probably watch it again,
where the first one I've only seen twice. I watched
the theaters and then I watched it in a couple of
years ago, and I think I liked it a little
bit more. I do want to watch it one more time,
and it might wait to do like a double header
back to back because I remember enjoying it. But I
remember similar to this where we saw the trailers and
I was exactly like you where it's okay, how are
you gonna do this? How's this gonna work? This doesn't
make much sense? And then obviously the trailer showed us.
But then in this movie complete window and a complete
tunnel how you get there? And I do feel they
explain a lot of what happened in the first movie,
but I think to a point where if you hadn't
seen the first movie, you're gonna miss missing some pieces.
But you could still watch this kind of by itself,
I feel and get the gist of it. I do
think there's a little too much over explaining, and I'll
get to that as like a con But so for Derekson,
loved Sinister, and then I enjoyed Doctor Strange. Don't enjoy
that as much of other people, but I enjoyed Doctor Strange.
Speaker 2: God what did he do after? Oh?
Speaker 1: Then he did Black Phone, which I liked but I
was underwhelmed by.
Speaker 2: Said I want to give that another go. And then
I liked the one he did this year on Apple.
Speaker 1: Oh it's with Miles Teller and Anya Taylor joy the Gorge. Yeah,
I like that up until the third act. The third
act gets very sorry bad video game CGI heavy and
it just takes me out of it the more intrigues there.
But this doesn't have that. Obviously, it's not the same
CGI fest. But everything visually is good here, So I
wasn't sure where I was gonna be. This to me
was like a big turning point. Okay, where am I
on Derek Son? I used to be very excited for
his stuff, where I'd kind of be a little limited.
Now I'm back to I'm excited for whatever project he
does next, whether it's a fall up to this or
something else in horror.
Speaker 2: Whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: I did really enjoy this week a lot more than
the first were the first.
Speaker 2: I think I liked it.
Speaker 1: And there's some aspects like Ethan Hawk, like that's like
a he's like a star like above right, like his
performance and that's one where it's like, oh, that's a
point five or a star in a letter box higher
just because he's so good in it, right, and he's
good here too. He him as the grabber, the certain
lines they write that character very well. There's a couple
writing things where it just felt like they had nothing
for him say, and it's just like, oh, I guess
we find out if you die.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: Like it felt like he was he did this big
pause and it was just he just said like a
just an easy remark. Like it just felt like there's
some lines it's funny with the grab there's some lines
they're like, oh man, this is top toer like Freddy
Coueger stuff. And I'll highlight one in the spoilers that
was like bone chilling, But then there was another one
that was just like, oh, like all right, Like there's
a couple of times where no one's could think of
anything better for the grabber to say here just like
I'm gonna hurt everyone, you know, and it's just and
that's it. And then he just goes off. So it's
the way you thought it pronounces and stuff.
Speaker 2: But that's good.
Speaker 1: And they are all good in the first movie. But
all the actors, i'd say, are even better off to
pull him up because I don't haven't seen the other stuff,
but they're all good other stuff. I feel it is
a very obviously you have the same director and writer.
This feels very very connected to the first one. And
say it like I said, in the sense that you
could probably still watch this alone. But it feels like
these characters are evolving. Obviously, sometimes has passed for years,
so they've aged up, but it feels like they've put
them in a different place while still being the same
character that you know transition from film one to film too,
which sometimes can be lost. Right with a time junt,
they just completely change a character up and that's fine.
You just have to explain that where this everything felt
right most a side characters I enjoy. There's a couple
of comedic relief value characters, but I don't think they
were over the top, which was good. It wasn't like
a really like that guy that's gonna make dick jokes
or far trokes, which I appreciate. This is at times
a very dour movie. That's something I like about it.
We've talked about before. I'm a big fan of just
movies where characters are depressed, and a lot of that
happens here. So yeah, visuals are great, acting is great
all round. I thought the story of how they do
a sequel and how they tied all together was very
clever and well thought out, and they even do some
big changes or some big revelations for the first movie.
But because it's the same director and writer, it feels
very natural because I don't know if they would have
thought of this when they wrote Black Phone One. Maybe
they did, but even if they didn't, they found a
way to weave it and where sometimes when we get
these twists or reveals, we go, ah, this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: And even then they start to do that.
Speaker 1: At the first or maybe the second act this movie,
they start to reveal, Oh, there's something that happened from
the first one that ties in here, and someone I
was like, Oh no, we're gonna go in down this
revisionist history. That kind of makes it cheesy and it
makes the world a bit smaller, but it it it
works with what they've set up. So I think my
only con I need to I think I need to
watch it again. I gotta watch the first one. I said,
I'll do a double header. But I just thought that
the pacing was a little off. I felt, especially the
first hour it was. And here's one thing I will
say for if people don't want to see this, this
is a movie that's extremely violent towards kids. It's like
even more so than it to me or it of
course it's like killing off kids will see with Penny
Wise also were reviewing Welcome to Darien a couple weeks,
but that has some quick really bad stuff. There's some
really bad stuff that I was surprised, like honestly it's great,
but still there there is times where it's like, man,
they're getting away with some stuff right here. So it
is I'd say, not for the faint of heart that
way way more. I feel like the first one had
a lot of applied violence or you would see, you know,
uncomfortable situations where this is literally you're seeing kids getting
you know, mindsport is hacked up and it's not like
a off the side or shadow, it's literally very sinister like.
So and again that stuff visually was really well done.
The grain for the film The Dreams was well done,
but yeah, for me, it was the pacing where I
felt like the sometimes there's a lot of exposition dump
and I felt like they took a lot of time
with unfortunately stuff that we already know, so we're you
have to do that where you tell the characters, but
I feel it's a situation where multiple characters learn the
same thing over and over and over again, which is
very tough because there's I don't know, six to seven
characters here, so it would feel like it's starting to
pick up and ramp up and then slow right down
and pick up and ramp up. So I have to
watch again and feel how that goes on a segment.
I think the anale really delivers and it builds to
a big you feel like, because to me, if this
third act sucked, this would have really brought the movie down.
But I feel like it's building towards it and it
really delivers, So that's all good there. And I think
it has lots of sentimental value in this movie.
Speaker 2: And it's very.
Speaker 1: It's very kind at the same time when it's very vicious,
So yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's the only thing.
Speaker 1: Is this some exposition I think you could have cut
or tightened up and just some pacing where I feel
like you'd have a scare, but that it'd be a
good twenty And I'm not saying that I need the scare,
but it's just.
Speaker 2: A lot of meandering around or learning.
Speaker 1: Stuff, which is still vital to the story, but there's
some stuff that just kind of we could have probably
condensed us all together or done something, So yeah, that
would be my thing. Just a pacing felt sometimes a
little off at times. They didn't know which year one
to get. It kind of felt like the weird It
would ramp up to a really high point and then
slow right down.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll see how I feel later on at some point
whenever we watched this, but anything else, don Taylor.
Speaker 3: No, I think that's it.
Speaker 1: Okay, But yeah, no, I highly recommend this. Even if
you're like myself that thought the first one was okay.
I think this one definitely evolves. And we talked about
this in the trailers. If you're like me and your
big nightmare fan, if you're looking for something to fill
that void and kind of work that, Hey, we might
not beget a new nightmare movie in.
Speaker 2: Quite a while. This is fantastic.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'd ever do it now because they
I feel like they just kind of did it here.
But this is the like those nightmare sequences, and this
is the love and care I would like to have
in the an updated Freddy movie, which we didn't really
get with that remake. So yeah, they that's all top notch,
top tier, really have no notes about that stuff like
how the world worked, everything, the reasoning for it. So
yeah that if you're looking just purely for that this
fits as like a kind of Freddy Couger nightmare and
Elstreet replacement for the time being, So uh yeah, we
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Speaker 2: But Taylor, where do you want to start with the
black phone two?
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned some of the lines that he was
saying that are kind of like Freddy kruegerish.
Speaker 2: I have one.
Speaker 3: There's one moment where I thought the same. I thought, Okay,
this definitely feels like, uh, just crazy. And I'm wondering
if it's the same moment that.
Speaker 2: You're you're thinking of, what are you thinking of?
Speaker 3: Well, you you go first. I want to know what.
Speaker 1: I think for because now we're full spoilers when they
were on the ice and I'm paraphrasing, but it's something
about because there the whole method is Okay, they've set
up that the way obviously the grabber grabbed Finny last movie,
he got out, they found their remain that right, how
he's kind of coming back is the grabber has not
has but he's killed these boys and they're in the
ice in this cabin. They're frozen down in barrels, so
because they haven't been found released kind of have like
a proper barrel.
Speaker 2: He can kind of use them as a condo went
to get out.
Speaker 1: And get at people, right, which we can kind of
talk about the end, But there's a point in the
third act wort they on the ice and they gotta
get these bodies because if they get the bodies out,
they can overpower him and shut the grabber back down
somewhere right when he it's like the I can't remember
the main camp counselor like the guy who's been there
the longest, but when he's pulling them out, and then yeah,
I think it's actually a second act where that's where
I liked, where she's having a dream and the grabber
is literally breaking the ice behind him, so it's not
like a Freddy Kueger thing, and that's what I think
they were smart to do, where clearly you're gonna get
the Freddy comparisons, but this was different where Okay, when
someone else was dreaming, which was the sister who is
kind of you know, some sort of has like a
shining aspect to where that can fire up the graber
to do things to hurt other people on the outside
and even them to hurt the grabber while he's not there,
if you can just find him and hurt him, right,
if you see like a shape, you can hear where
oppositely with Freddie, it's just hey, Taylor falls asleep. Freddy
can only go after Taylor and that's it, right, So
I thought that was a good way to differential yourself
where oh, and she's asleep, he can kind of come alive.
But it's when he's pulling up one of the bins
and he's like, oh, say hello to the boy. I've
missed them so much. And that's where I was like,
oh man, that's a creepy ass line. That was a
good line. There was a couple really good lines, but
that to me was the top tier one where I
was like, oh man.
Speaker 2: The Grabber you're a fucking creepy weirdo, you know.
Speaker 1: But like I said, there's an other couple of lines
where I just thought it was just that could have
used a little more buffing.
Speaker 2: But what was was that the line of the mash
Was it something else?
Speaker 3: No, it was something else. I'm trying to remember exactly
where it was. I think it was when she was
in the kitchen and the grabber was in the kitchen too,
and it starts like lifting her up and he said
something and I wish I could remember it because it
was just it was a really freaky just the way
that he was talking. And again too, just the transition
between that scene where he's talking to Finny on the
phone and then he just like walks out of the
shadow and that was a trailer scene, but very different
context when you see it set up here when Finn
can't see the grabber, Finn can't see the ghosts, but
the ghosts are all present around him, and so when
he can't see the grabber, with the grabbers walking around
the phone booth listening and like talking to him, which
is freaky. And that's in the real world obviously, and
then you get the dream sequence of the Dreams world,
which has that just sort of VHS kind of filter,
which I thought was fucking fantastic. So just with that
transition and then he just talks to Gwen. Gwen was
her name, right, Yeah, Yeah, he talks to Gwen gives
her the rundown on things and it's just like toying
with her. And then yeah, just that whole scene of
him just picking her up, and I was trying to
see that. Okay, like there, this is probably the most
like supernatural he gets where he's got like Jedi powers
because the way she's moving, he's obviously using two hands
to spin her around. And then you see like him
holding her trying to throw her into the fire. But
then you see, okay, when everyone runs in, everything on
the shelf away from where the girl's being held flies
at them.
Speaker 2: He's over there like like he's not throwing all the
kitchen knives at him. Have some sort of powers, right, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing though with him, Like I
would think no because if they do a black Phone
three or just other stuff. But to me, the way
they set up with this movie is almost that she
like he all like because I think, why wouldn't he
kill her? But it's almost like he can't kill her
because I think, is she kind of also part of
the con went to get out too? Or do you
think like he.
Speaker 2: Could get it again?
Speaker 1: We could get a sequel, They explained that, but do
you think if he were kill her, could she he's
still be doing this stuff, And if that the case,
why wouldn't you kill her right away?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's not like the Frey thing where Okay, main character
is Nancy. He's killing off her friends to eventually Nancy
so frightened the ideas to get her right, But she's
the strongest one. So in this sense, why wouldn't he
kill her off right away? Because when he did spin
on the phone booth and all that blood was coming on,
I was like, how is she not dead? I'd seen
that in the trailer. I was hopefully or I was
hoping that wasn't the case when I saw in the
trailers it's in the second one. I was like, God, damn,
his show his character getting killed and she didn't get killed.
But then at the time, I was like, how did
she not get killed? Because it looked like he was
like that was a lot of blood, you know. So,
but yeah, how did you take from why he maybe
couldn't kill her off?
Speaker 3: I think it just comes down to her being able
to conk well, she wasn't in control of her dream
yet at that point.
Speaker 2: So no, not until later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean I think I don't have an answer.
I mean, I feel like he just was being lazy
and he should have done it quicker, Like I liked
when everyone came into the room in the kitchen and
he didn't kill her in time, and so he just
like slowly glides back into the dark and then like
the next day starts. That was fucking freaky because you know,
he's just a consistent thing and he's gonna be there
and he's gonna come back. And so when we get
to his next attempt, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: Like I said, every time the attempts, like he talked
to Finny via the phone, but it's now like Vinnie
goes to sleep and then that's when the grabber does
his stuff.
Speaker 2: Right. It seems like only when she's asleep.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm wondering because it's kind of like
what we you know, check out on Patreon and we'll
be coming to the main feeds. When we talk about
the Shining movie, how Jack and Dick and uh Danny,
they kind of get like a light bulb. It's kind
of like a tongue. It's like a battery beating put
on a tongue. That's what happens when you go on
the shining right, like it just like amplifies your shining ability.
So that's what I'm wondering if if she doesn't exist
with this sort of power, if he can even get
out right, because like she was just having dreams and
visions about this. It's not like he was back in
the community grabbing other kids.
Speaker 3: It's not because, right.
Speaker 1: He didn't do like technically he didn't do anything like
they they went there because she's having visions. They want
to investigate, right, But it's not like, oh, his m's
back and he's been grabbing kids or kids are going missing,
like that's at the end of the movement.
Speaker 2: She's gonna say, nobody.
Speaker 3: I think this is just the movie and this is
up to interpretation. The movie features his him targeting them,
because I mean, that's where he's directing all his energy.
But I think if they weren't present and they weren't
a part of the story, he would and he still
died in the previous movie. I think he would still exist.
Speaker 2: But we don't know that world.
Speaker 3: I think he would because I do think we know
that because the kids were not put to bed, right,
they weren't put to rest, So he still exists. Based
on those three kids' bodies not being laid to rest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if because she's you know, has some
sort of I don't know what, I can't even remember
what the actual m Yeah, when she has some sort
of shining Like that's why i'd have to see if
we get a third one, if he can ever do
that without her, because every because you're right, that is,
the kids are around and that keeps him going. But
every time he gets out, it's still via her dreaming. Right,
So it's like he said, it's almost the same way
as Freddy, where that's a different thing, right, where if
anybody dreams, Freddy does something. But the whole thing with
Freddy is okay, if people aren't afraid of him, he's
like powerless, right, he can't get in your dreams that way.
Where this is not everyone has to be afraid of him.
He can just attack anybody. Like those two random campers,
the one that were really Christian, they had no experience
with the grabber, right, like other than maybe they might
have saw some pictures of him, but they didn't have
to be fearing of him. But every time he did attack,
it's when she was asleep. So that's the thing. It
never happened when she was awake, so I don't know
what would happen down the line, you.
Speaker 3: Know, did not happen with Finn at all.
Speaker 1: They talked to the phone, but I don't know if
he did anything because lots of those things. I felt
like while he was on the phone, she was also
sleepwalking too, right, So that's where kind of doubles. But
he never he never brought him in because obviously Vinnie
never had any you know like that, Like he talked
on the phone, don't get me wrong, but he didn't
have any of those experiences where he was actively having
the visions and stuff, right, And again, we don't know
what's happening. And that's where it's much like Freddy. It's like, okay, clear,
there's some ghosts and stuff tied with the Grabber in
the first.
Speaker 2: Movie, but we don't know if he's in a voodoo or.
Speaker 1: What the deal is, right, It's just that they were
tied to that house and now they're tied to uh,
you know, I guess these three barrels. So I don't know,
I don't know what he's doing, but I also don't
mind if they don't explain that.
Speaker 2: I did like that he kind of.
Speaker 1: He have like some lore of some like that he's
like spoken with the devil. I don't even think he's
I don't think he even said the D word. I
think he just I think he just said him like
he applied it.
Speaker 2: And I like that.
Speaker 1: He's you know, I'm talking about death and he's like, oh,
you know, after death, like what happens like you just
become a shell of your sins and it's just it's
almost like if what's.
Speaker 3: A big hole of sins or whatever.
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, yeah, I got a bond just so Yeah,
So I did like that aspect where you know that
who knows, you know, whatever you believe in. But if
there is like a heaven hell, I do could because
that's the thing, right when we talk about these concepts
of what could be up the rook could.
Speaker 2: Be down there. I think I I do like this
that they propose of.
Speaker 1: Okay, if he dies and he goes to hell, just
because this Grabber is like I think, even worse than
the first grabber. Right, Like the first grabber you kind
of be out smart with or maybe even get to
some of his emotions.
Speaker 2: But with this one.
Speaker 1: He's just fully angry, and that's why it kind of
feels like, Okay, it is a shell of the grabber,
like it's still the grabber, but it's him, and it's
worse because he is just all the sins and all
the bad stuff.
Speaker 2: So I did it like that They.
Speaker 1: Insinuated that he kind of had some interactions with a
devil or greatest food because he even said like, oh
I it took me a long time to remember, and
he finally gave.
Speaker 2: Me back some of my memories and stuff. So it's like,
who's he? Who's that?
Speaker 1: And again, I don't think you should ever explained that
stuff because it's the same thing as Freddy. It's like, Okay,
I get the point of the story, right, is okay,
he goes to trial that goes wrong and the parents
take it on upon themselves, like fuck this guy, we're
gonna burn them, right, But at that point, why should
he come back to punish these parents? I get the idea, right,
you did like a bad deed, but it's still like
they're still punishing an actually guilty pedophile. You know, It's
not like they screwed up and he's and guy. So
I get why it's punished for your sins, but really
that you know, he deserved what he got. So but
in Freddie they never explain like he's in a dark
magic this and that. It's just like he got spat
back up and he's like a like a product of hell.
And I kind of like that here. I don't need
to know, oh there's a book or this and that,
like just keep it ambiguous.
Speaker 3: So that's the line. Actually, just remember what he said
when he was talking and I think he's talking to
Finn and he's like, hey, I you made me kill
my brother. What you did to me? I love my brother,
and he's just fucking screaming at him that holy fuck,
this is brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which if I recall, I don't think i'd have
to rewatch it.
Speaker 2: I don't think he loved his brother that much.
Speaker 3: He you know, his brother pissed him off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just like his tenant to like keep
him hiding and stuff like that. But yeah, we got
a cameo from his brother, which that didn't really scare me.
They telegraphed that too much. I almost felt like they
moved the camera before, like the loud jump scare. But
uh yeah, people were wondering the one that got masked,
and it is in the trailers, but it's not as loud.
It is the first time you see one of the
kids appear out of the under the bed, but they
set up where she's dreaming. She kind of hears something
going on. So the first shot is from under her bed,
which is always scary. She looks nothing there, she gets
back up. It seems like it's okay, but then she
hears something else bed beside her, because it's like a
cabin that's like a bunch of bunk beds, and that
kid is in there.
Speaker 2: She's no.
Speaker 1: She looks and then boom jumps out. So good jump scar.
Really that was pretty much like I said. They tried
with the brother but that didn't really really work at all.
There's a couple other times, but I appreciate it that
they What I enjoyed was and they did this in
the first but I feel like they did better versions here.
There's two I really liked where when Finny was talking
on the phone at one point to the grabber and
they're doing a circle around them. So they came on
the phone and that starts they talk and when they
do the circle when they come back to them, the
ghosts of the three kids are there in the background,
like way far and they're not doing anything scary. It's
not like a big loud jump effect. They're just there.
And then when they do another circle, and it's so
funny though, because you can see because they just like,
we've been here before.
Speaker 2: When they did the third circle.
Speaker 1: Or the second circle, the camera like moved in because
it was like the phone booth corner, and then to
the left there was like you could see the snow.
But when they did the second circle, the camera like
zoomed into the phone booth corner. So I imagine what
happened was like those kids like ran off to the
side of the screen because I feel like I could
just see, Okay if they like change up, but I
like that because then the next time, the kid's standing
right there close to the phone booth right.
Speaker 2: And the other one I like too.
Speaker 1: Is at the beginning of the movie when Vinnie's having
when we see the grabber just hanging out his yard.
No jump scare, no chasing, he's just he's literally suffering
from PTSD and he's reliving conversations and stuff that he
had with the grabber and he's just having them with
a version of him in the yard. Then the sister
kind of comes like he snaps out of it. But
I like that it was that where it's just not
all PTSD is gonna be these ghostss like barking at you,
run you. It's just kind of gonna be this mental
image of you can't really escape.
Speaker 2: And that's one thing too.
Speaker 1: That guy, I'll pulp his name, but I thought that
speech was really good because some actors that could have
been cheesy. But when he he just breaks down, because
they make this character very angry, but it seems like
it doesn't seem like he's okay, but it just seems
like he's he's putting on a front like he's like
he doesn't seem I think they did a very good
layered job because he seems damaged but also not like
a loose cannon. But when he breaks down, you can see, man,
this guy's still and that's why I liked about that
scene of the grabbages in his yard. He's still almost
like mentally stuck where he was before. But it also
wasn't this character who was just like blubbering and just
super emotional. The whole time, Like it felt like a
good balance of someone that's trying to push forward and
trying to get through it, but it's still really fucked up.
And I think his scene when he broke down was
really good. So I like those. We had a couple
jump scares, but I like those scares too, where it
was just the thing appears and it's not it's just
scary because it's there, you know.
Speaker 2: So I really appreciated those.
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's see here.
Speaker 1: So we've talked about that. So guys, I'm trying to
think what the first setup was. I guess she just
has her dreams and everything.
Speaker 3: But sleepwalks and wanders into his old basement, which is
just fucking crazy. Luckily your brother is always there and
on the case.
Speaker 1: I did like though that He's like, oh, you were
sleepwalk and then I just followed you. It's like falled
you like, wake her up?
Speaker 3: Stop me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, wake her up.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I will say before I forget
to get to the kids, because yeah, they and I
guess we go there where she's having these visions of
the of the.
Speaker 2: Cab and the camp whatever.
Speaker 1: Uh, and then they find out that the mom went
there at some point, because they did something in the
beginning of the movie where a girl's on a pay phone,
of course, and she's talking to some of the other
end and we don't hear it, and it's a girl
that's in nineteen fifty seven. Later on they do dovetail
that and book end it where that was. They do
this cool scene where it is the daughter that was
actually talking with their mom at the beginning, and then
at the end too, they share a scene which was
that was really good too, where the phone rings and
you think, okay, could it be the grab or sending
up a third one. I actually thought it was just
gonna be the kids thank her for letting them out,
but no, it was her mom saying, oh, it's really
nice here. Obviously that I don't know how that works
in this world. It felt like this type of stuff
was tied to almost like Satanism and that type of stuff.
So I didn't know how the mom was maybe sound
like calling from heaven. Didn't know how that really worked there,
But I liked the sentiment behind the scene, and that's
where to me, like the last seeing this movie and
it's like, oh, tell your brother I said this, and
give them a hug get to that.
Speaker 2: Like last scene, this movie.
Speaker 1: Is very emotional and I love that it was not
like a Grabber coming out of scare setting up a sequel,
which we'll talk, but there's probably there's some wiggle room there.
I think they gave themselves. But I really liked everything
they did with the Mum, and that's where also throw
to you. They also revealed that which was a big jump,
a big change. Again, it's their characters, so they did that,
and I think it's still worse for me here. But
in the first movie they kind of set up because
she has the same episodes like Ghen where she has
like the mental vision stuff that she killed herself because
she couldn't take it. They reveal that because the Grabber
was around doing this stuff, it reminded her of her
time in the cabin when these three kids went missing, and.
Speaker 2: She started to put together the Grabber again.
Speaker 1: Don't know how he figured that out, if it's he
just figured that out, or if he also has some
sort of shining like abilities in a sense right too,
Because they didn't they didn't fully dive into how he
figured out the mom knew, but that's what they retroactively did.
Speaker 3: She drove into his driveway with the headlights on full,
So I mean doesn't take much, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I guess he could have recognized her,
But I just wonder, like why he just jumped just
like kidnapping it right away, right, But like, I guess
I can buy that because the grabber is probably a
paranoid guy. But yeah, they revealed that the grabber killed
the mom and it.
Speaker 2: Was not the mom committing suicide.
Speaker 1: And I thought that scene was one of my That
might be my favorite sequence. When Gwen gets in the
dream and she's watching the mom get grabbed, and then
when you're in the truck, it's the old grabber like
from like I don't know, like the let's just say
nineteen eighties. He's driving the car and then the mum's
in the backseat where then our current day like demon
the grabber's there with Gwen and when they open the
door and it shows and just a horrified look on
Gwen and then it's just like the Grabber's sin there.
He's all rodden and stuff like, oh, I just wanted
to give you the benefit and show you what happened. Yeah,
Like that to me was probably my favorite scene. Because
it was just so fucked up. It was like, you're
making this person relive something that they didn't know. An
even though it's a revelation of your mom didn't take
their own life, it's it's still like worse than a
sense too, because.
Speaker 2: You're having to see what actually happened there the dad.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what do you think about all this stuff
from the mom and the dar talking multiple times to
the reveal the grabber, because that's where I was worried.
When they're like, oh, he knew that mom knew, I
was like, oh no, I don't know, Like because sometimes
when movies do that and they they go back to
the originally change some stuff, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: But yeah, how did you feel about a lot of
the usage of the mom here?
Speaker 3: I like it, And again I think it helps prop
up the daughter a bit more by establishing, Okay, like
these kids have this ability because of the mom. The
mom is kind of what started it. And so when
you get into the storyline here that uh, the mom
is having dreams of a kid being kidnapped and goes
to the grabber's house and knows where the kid is,
and then the grabber just pops out of his van
and ducts her and whatnot. I liked all that, I
really did. And I liked the concept too, where it
was all just a lie. The grabber secretly well not
secretly murder, but and then secretly hung her in the garage.
Speaker 1: That that's one thing where I think the retrospective like,
I don't believe he would have went through all that
trouble maybe, you know, like what like because like what
like if she just die, if he just cut her
throat and threw her somewhere, I don't think they would
have been like, oh, this is connected to the grab
or who's stealing kids?
Speaker 2: Right like, well, you never know, Yeah, I guess you
never know.
Speaker 1: I just thought I was looking for maybe more of
a reason there, because even then, why you're not just
kill her and put her where all the other bodies
are buried, right like if you're just like hiding in stuff.
But it was fine that That's where I think that
they didn't think of this in the first movie.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like they were looking at
the script and like, oh, we could change this, you know,
but it's fine.
Speaker 2: They made it work, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and same thing too, like with the grabber
when he takes his kid, not realize that all that's
her daughter, Like once he sees the news and everything, right,
Like I feel like you'd kind of get or her son. Sorry,
So there's a little bit of a coincidence there.
Speaker 2: And that's one thing.
Speaker 1: Again it's a it's a My my biggest complaint are
the pacing and some exposition. Those are the things that
actually affect the store. This doesn't affect it really at all.
But when they talk about these kids, right, these three
kids that go missing, and again I this was chilling.
This was the dreams were kind of felt like they
were in the same universe. The flashbacks how the kids died.
That was pretty that was literally just them doing sinister again,
Like it felt like that where obviously it's a film grain,
but it's like from the it looks like it's from
the perspective of a camera. In the third one, they
do eventually like back dound. You see like the grab
where he has his shirt off and stuff. He's again
all fucking gross and whatnot. Why is he have a
sure off and it's ice colts because he's a fucking pervert.
But like that's where the first two it's all looks
like it's from the grabber's perspective. It just felt like
Beghoul was back and he was, you know, doing that stuff.
Speaker 2: So I liked all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're seeing these kids, You're seeing their leg
get chopped off, You're seeing access to the stomachs and
bloody sees burn, you see this kid head get split
in two. It was some I was kind of surprised, like,
I don't know if that would get you to turn
into X rating, but I was surprised that it could
still be a radar with this stuff going on. But
as we said, the plot is okay, one of we
don't know the full thing, right, We don't know if
he can do this alone, if he needs this with
the girl, but at least one of the aspects is
the reason he can get out in this area is
because of these three boys.
Speaker 2: And they haven't been you know found.
Speaker 1: I kind of laugh when you know, so what these
kids get what they went missing in nineteen fifty seven
and then the place got shut down fifty eight and
they they go to I kind of find the guy's name,
the main counselor there because the people, if people are
listenings that didn't watch as there's like a Christian married couple.
There's Mustang, who's kind of which I appreciate. They didn't
really go into like him or Finny and her having
like a like a romantic relationship. Just felt like it
was kind of like flirty and whatnot, which worked for me. Right,
they're like young kids and that's cool, all good.
Speaker 2: And then they have let me find the counselor's name
here a Mando, so of course fucking Mando. They have him.
Speaker 1: They tell a story about and again because something I
appreciate too, when the first dream what happened went down
with the grabber they found there was random, strange. They
just sargon tossed around the room. So I was happy
we didn't have to have fifteen twenty minutes to be like,
you're crazy, it's not real. Again, I think you could
have still cut down some other stuff. But when they
have they talk about this, They talk about the kids,
and he tells the whole story, like all they went
missing and there's three kids. He first look, he goes
on ice and shines a light. Uh, there's Mick, there's Big,
so there's Ben. I was like, what, like, like I
think it'd be different if one kid went missing, because
you would just think.
Speaker 2: That they could be anywhere, right, a bear, this and that.
Speaker 1: But when three kids, if you're thinking, I know, it's
in the fifty seven, so maybe maybe they didn't think
that way, But like when three kids go missing, you're
gonna think, hey, something, something's up here.
Speaker 2: The fact that like they were just in the ice.
Speaker 1: They're they're ten feet away, just there, and the other
two kids I was fine with because they're in barrels
and they're deep down. But when he found that first
kid by just like shining a flashlight and just found
like a frozen skeleton, It's like, did no one think
to look out here? Like this has been open for
another thirty years and no one went on the ice
and was like, oh, look there's there. There's a dead
body frozen here. So I felt that was a little easy,
But yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think about some of the stuff of the kids.
Speaker 1: And we did get the orgin, which I like, it's
kind of again a coumbo of Freddy and Jason where
they did reveal that he was the grabber was when
he was like eighteen or whatever. It was a counselor there,
so that's how he was probably taking some of his
first victims, was being a trusting adult that was looking
after these people and you know, alosly not doing great things.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I liked that and I thought as soon
as they grabbed the photo, the picture of him off
the wall, I thought, oh, absolutely, they're gonna spot him
in there. And everything kind of came full circle when
it's like, oh, this guy used to run into camp
and then bought the property, and then you got all
their moms in the photo and then sure, shit, there's
the grabber in there too for kill long hair. Still. Yeah,
so yeah, No, I think everything with the kids it
worked out. I it's it parallels with that first movie.
Right when the first movie it was about the kids
saving him, but also you know, if he gets out,
then he frees their spirits. And so that's kind of
a theme that has been sticking and yeah, running with it.
The idea though that Gwen, it's kind of like this conduit.
It just reminds me of, oh, where is the check
who had the psychic powers? And I think it was
with U Tommy. He was in this one. No, it
was Friday, Friday the thirteenth, and I think, yeah, I
think it's the thirteenth part sick Jason up with her
psychic abilities. Remember that.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no that's not one what tol me. I
think that's the one after because he and it's seven Yeah,
break some free. He might be the the that goes
to New York one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. There,
you go.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take our probably last ad break here
and then we'll be right back okay, And.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, the dad was back. I'm a big sucker
for Jeremy Davies.
Speaker 1: I've always liked him since uh justified No he's and
other stuff, but I really liked him and that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I really liked him as a dad.
Speaker 1: I liked that they kind of showed that, Okay, he
was he's stopped the drinking, he's trying to be a
better person. Also, last wee these kids, he doesn't do
that anymore. So luckily and they're good.
Speaker 3: Scene.
Speaker 1: He shows up, it snowed in and he's like, well,
I'm just gonna get a tractor and go find my
kids because they're probably screwed.
Speaker 2: You know, they're screwed.
Speaker 1: And he shows up there, He's like, oh, I like
they just showed up happy like, we're good to go,
let's get out of here, and obviously a bunch of
stuff is going on. And same thing they because the
first movie he was a doubter of his daughter having
these visualist thought she's probably schizophranic like her mom. But
then in this one there's a big speech in the snow.
Speaker 2: Again. I like that they just kind of accepted to
move on some people.
Speaker 1: That might be a calm, but I just I don't
need another ten minutes of the dad being like, I
don't think this is real. Like at the end, he's
just he's with everybody. She gives him a few details
of the night she would know, and then he's with everybody,
very bold to like I guess adrenaline's kicking in. But
at one point they're trying to they have these wires
that are pulling the barrels up and the grabber, of course,
kicks one down. Jeremy Davis, the dad just goes like
jumps fully into the ice water to get this barrel.
Speaker 2: He's dead. He's dead.
Speaker 1: This is nineteen is the eighties. He's down there for
how long, like he's a dead man. But yeah, that
third act was really good. Obviously there's tons of scares
throughout and good moments and good set pieces. But this
moment of all the characters on the Ice the Grabber,
which I love, they just show his feet. His feet
are just like he has like ice skates on his feet,
So again has that Freddy kougarism where he almost has superpowers,
but it never got like over the top. But yeah,
he's just skating around, fucking people up, trying to cut them,
choke them, everything. And then that's when she realized she
has some powers them once they got all of them
out the boys. The boys were starting to grab him
and turned around and then hit the acts ahead. They
ripped off his mask and he was like a very
like his face was kind of almost what you'd look
at like if you were to see a body like
it was semi decomposed.
Speaker 2: It looked like it was in the ground.
Speaker 1: And they're messing him up and they get to a
good point where she's gonna hold him back with her powers.
But as we said, because of this dream state world,
it's still brought on the real world. So Ifinny can
see at one point it's kind of outline like he's
holding onto something and it's moving, so he can see
he's there. He grabs him by the head, just destroys,
puts his face into the ice a bunch of times,
repeats that you know, a hell's filve of ice or whatnot.
And like I said, I don't know if they're gonna
do more, but to me, what they do is the
boys are out, there's a big ice hole. They throw
them in the ice hole. But as he's like skating,
like sliding across the ice, he makes a point because
when they take off his mask, he's like almost afraid
that it's off right, And when he's going in the ice,
he like make sure he gets it and gets his
mask and puts it back on. And then again I'm
talking about shots, there's this great shot of he's in
the ice and all three that like the ghost boys
are like bringing him down and they're in the water.
Like very cool shot, so to me, And then what
happens is they zoom in on the ice and then uh,
he's just kind of frozen there.
Speaker 2: So he does not explode or disappear or go away.
Speaker 1: It's like to me, I said, to you get in
the car where it's like I could literally see a
teaser or a third movie opening up where it's in
the ice and the ice starts to crack. But yeah,
what did you think about the finale of this movie?
Speaker 3: I liked it. I liked it a lot. I think
with everything picking up and him skating around, that was
really cool. How the glass, all the glass of the
ice is just kind of like fused to his bony, frozen,
bloody feet and he's got a pair of skates. I
thought that was sweet. But yeah, he's just skating around,
just decimating. And yet when he does that like belt
loop around Finn and does that like a jump over
and like pulls him back on his back and was
choking him. The fuck that's just that was a really
cool scene. That was crazy. But all in all, No,
I think, uh, I think it was pretty good. I'm
pretty content with with how things kind of wrapped up
in this whole final battle. I liked how you get
this crazy, freaky moment where Finn just because like sees
this like this like of a skeleton struggling and then
just goes over it and you see visibly puts his
hands on his leg and then it's like smashing his
head in.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I I liked I liked the whole, the whole kind
of set up here in the whole fall on the water.
The one thing I can't remember his name, but like
the camp owner just still blows my mind that they
saved him. I thought for sure one of these camp
people would get killed, just to kind of increase the stakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we never lost anybody like you. We didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't lose the very Christian couple, which again I
liked that humor of a couple like god Bible thumping jokes.
I liked the new boyfriend Gwen, like he was in
there a good amount and he believed her.
Speaker 2: They've had a fun back and forth like that was
a scene that like see that, Like I like the scene,
but that scene.
Speaker 1: Ship the first stream in there laying in bed, that
was when we're like, okay, this is going on too long.
Like I didn't feel the chemistry there. I was like, oh,
this scene is magnetic, Like keep going. That one where
I was like I had a fun payoff of him
being you know, Finn being like oh am I pretty too,
and like you've been listening the whole time.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 1: But like that scene was a solid five minutes, and
usually I like that stuff. I guess it was just
that it was the pacing or I just wasn't buying
the chemistry there. But that character by itself was not annoying,
and I was worried he was just gonna be the
big time comedic relief where he had some comedic relief,
but he was not, like I said, some just joke
joke machine or anything. It felt like it was, you know,
as you would say, innocent humor for the most part.
And but yeah, Grabber really didn't take any new victims here.
You know, I guess it probably makes it for our
characters and easy in the real world with the police,
right because if anyone died, they're gonna be like, Okay,
well what happened here?
Speaker 2: Right the you know, the Grabber he's been dead stuff.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, the way he Frozewi got taken away,
do you think you could do you think he could
come back?
Speaker 2: And would you want a third one?
Speaker 3: I think he absolutely could come back, and then yes,
I do want a third one. I like I like
how these stories are going here with our main characters,
although I feel like our main characters their narrative kind
of wrapped up in this movie, so you know, you
could give us something that's along the lines of an
anthology or something like that. I think at this point
I would be okay with like a prequel.
Speaker 1: But the thing is if you do a prequel, then
you probably lose the elements of the like the grabbers,
like a freak googer like right, because he doesn't have
that power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 1: Like you could do a pre coel, you definitely could
talk about the past. So yeah, I'm not sure what
they do here.
Speaker 2: I I do.
Speaker 3: Think there is a way to awaken him up from yes,
because it was so quick and just so passive, I
thought to myself, well, they can absolutely bring him back.
And that's where I got the idea, like a Friday
thirteenth or you know, you get another person with a
shining walks into camp and it does something and then
he just wakes up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, you could easily do that where you there's three
routes you can go. You can just go third one
with everyone back. Right as far as just okay, they
find a new story for this family because they've they've
I think that's one thing that they've made it. It
reminds me similar to it or even Stranger Things also
those five seasons. But it's like you now have a
core group of characters with the brothers sister of the dad,
even so they side characters where you could see them
come back and you would enjoy these characters.
Speaker 2: Right, so you just make a third one. That's it.
Speaker 1: You could do the classic, which I wouldn't want. I
don't think they would do. And I think because people
are and like I said, I think that's a strength
this movie. That conversation between the dad and the daughter
and Finny like in the snow about not going back
and everything. I thought it was really well done, really good.
In lots of horror movies that doesn't happen or it
feels kind of hollow.
Speaker 2: But you could go the route. That's why I would always.
Speaker 1: Worry if it's not the original writers where they just
quickly kill off the old leads and then you go
to the new ones, which horror movies used to do
all the time, right, where it'd be, oh, you pick
up with the new one and then all let's get
the new blood. I would like it where yeah, maybe
those characters are away, or maybe those are the characters
you have to go find to bring them back to
help you. But it was somebody else with this type
of power, something that kind of, yeah, accidentally did woke
them up, because like we were talking about the car where, Okay,
if this is nineteen fifty seven, and I think they
said it was nineteen eighty when this all went down,
almost thirty years.
Speaker 2: To me, he has lots of victims.
Speaker 1: I feel like there'd be other places where bodies and
remains are not uncovered, right, So I feel like that
could be a condo as well too. It's like, hey,
maybe we can't haunt you at the cabin or this location,
but somewhere else, right, So also you have to see
success wise. But yeah, I would actually completely down with
new characters the way Freddy would eventually, where they kind
of cycle through a new cast each time, and I'd
be down for that.
Speaker 2: I'd be down for more dreams and more sequences.
Speaker 1: But at the same point, which is a good thing,
I don't think they're just gonna make a sequel for
the sake of making a sequel. Blumhouse might. Blumhouse might say,
even if you guys don't want to do this, we're
making it. But I feel like the writer's care and
have put some effort into these characters, not just to
cash in, right, So I guess we'll see. But yeah,
because I was just looking so I didn't know. In
the Black One spawned a in Cannon short film Dream Kill,
also directed by Derekson, written by Cargo, released in the
twenty twenty three VHS eighty five.
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
Speaker 1: So there's like a short film out there which I
want to watch all the VHS is, so I'll have
to check that out. But tayl their final thoughts in
a reigning. Unless there's anything else we didn't talk.
Speaker 3: About, I can't think of anything else, but yeah, final thoughts.
I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was I
thought it was really entertaining, And of course, yes, like
you highlighted, there are some moments where things do slow
down a little bit, but for me, it wasn't a
real big takeaway. And I can get on board with
how everyone rallies together at this you know, little Bible camp,
and what you think is just going to be these
three friends on this adventure trying to deal with Hawk's
character and the Grabber and all that kind of stuff,
and then it just turns into like you have this
whole little community just working together to deal with this threat.
So I really really liked that. I thought that was good,
and I liked how everything kind of comes full circle
for the guy who bought the place and is running
in the place. And as much as I thought, you know,
we need some more deaths, it is nice that he survived.
But yeah, all in all, I think this is one
that I'm absolutely going to rewatch again because I feel
like there's a lot of things that you can definitely
miss on the first viewing with this, So yeah, what
to give it? Though, Oh, I think I'm gonna go
I'm gonna go a nine out of ten. I'm gonna
be generous. I had a really, really good time with this.
But again, the only thing I'm gonna dock is just
some of those slower parts where it just didn't really
feel necessary, I guess. And by the time you get
to them finding the first kid, it feels like you're
an hour forty five into the movie, Like it feels
like it's very long. Ways.
Speaker 1: I know it was an hour for it, but it
was about an hour because I looked at my phone
because I was curious as a kay, I think it
was like the first of the grabber like even like
appears at all, like a like because you kind of
like I mean appears as far as like the new
Demonic Grabber, right that's after me, because obviously he appears
first ten minutes when fitting season the Yard. But it's
just like a like a flashback in a sense. Right,
obviously it's a new scene film, but it's like a flashback.
But yeah, it's like almost a like probably more like
fifty minutes because we had the trails, but I checked
because our movie's at seven ten and it was eight ten,
and it's like, oh, finally eas here. And again I'm
not saying that was what needed. It's just that they
were kind of I think they kept cock teasing you
with a lot of scares and whatnot. But that now
that I know that, like I said, I wanna I
want to hear it's almost like what we've we will
tell on the news tomorrow. But like there's the people
that are doing the it's serious and like, oh, like
penny Wise won't be in it till the back half.
So it's like, Okay, I'm kind of happy I know
that because I kind of prepped myself. Right, it's the
same thing with this. I didn't know what to do
and you know, certain trailer stuff. So yeah, I'll go
point just below you for now as an eight, but
I could see myself get up to a nine. I
think nine would be the stopping point. But I am
gonna rewatch just when this happens, whenever I can see it,
And like I said, I'll probably try and do dull feature.
But all things I listed filmmaking, why score some great
stoics and great shots very much. We tell boss whole time,
applaud a big time for all the nighttime scenes. I
can see everything going on. It's not squinting. That got
lit up nice, which is great because yeah it's like lights, candles, flares, whatever,
light it up because I actually want to see these actors.
Speaker 2: So that was a good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good vibes, good creed and like a good I
only we told this enough. Very well done as far
as using that environment and setting. It feels cold, there's
storms all times, it's snowing. You feel like it. You
never feel like it's just oh, there's a bunch of
stuff and then you move on. It feels like you
are stuck in this location and it's kind of like
a character within itself. So yeah, I'm gonna go in
eight for now, but I'll put asters that it could
be higher.
Speaker 2: I need to kind of give it a rewatch and
see how I feel. But yeah, that's my thoughts on there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely liked it one of the first one,
and yeah, I would happily take a third one to
get some more ventures at the Grab and some nightmares stuff.
But again, I think I specifically want the nightmare stuff.
I don't know if the prequel could excite me because
that wouldn't be in there, But yeah, let us know
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