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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to going on the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox fourteen and with me, Studo, Jiggins Alt and got
Speaker 2: our guy Great Frants are here from the start, and yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah you were here. I'd love to be here. I
Speaker 2: mean I have another chat next month right for the
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sometime before, right before the super Bowl, were gonna
Speaker 3: try and be here, uh and kick that around with you.
Speaker 2: This has been a great deal for us. Yeah, I
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Speaker 3: The weird thing is Steve there and my wife, if
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Speaker 3: we've come out here, I've had something I've had to
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Speaker 3: Haven't rolled the dice, haven't played a hand of black jack.
Speaker 3: And today I got to go home right after the
Speaker 3: show as well.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I can verify that. I can.
Speaker 5: We had dinner that one time. Yeah we didn't.
Speaker 3: Well, you stayed and played some punker, but I had
Speaker 3: to leave right after that, so you know, which is
Speaker 3: a good thing. I mean we're getting paid to be here, right,
Speaker 3: and I haven't thrown any of that money back at
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Speaker 4: That's good for you. Good for you just walking through
Speaker 4: this place. I've only been here twice. Really, it's just
Speaker 4: like Las Vegas. Yeah, it is, it is, it is.
Speaker 4: It's got that feels comfortable. Yeah, and it's a great
Speaker 4: looking place. So we talked a little about football, or
Speaker 4: a lot about fotball. Let's talk a little about basketball. Uh,
Speaker 4: and you and you were talking about just how they
Speaker 4: much they look better, blah blah blah. Uh And and I.
Speaker 2: Think they have the perfect coach. And I'm not going
Speaker 2: to try to just anybody's butt or whatever. But he
Speaker 2: got him through that tough time. And I think mostly
Speaker 2: because of his personality. I don't know if you agree
Speaker 2: with me or not, but he doesn't panic and he
Speaker 2: lets them get through it. I'm not sure that's a
Speaker 2: good thing the bad thing, but he's they got through it.
Speaker 4: Do you remember a PAC twelve coach had Tommy's demeanor
Speaker 4: on the sideline? Good question, how much time we have?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was Yeah, the ones that were like
Speaker 3: that didn't stick around for very long, right, he was
Speaker 3: you know, come on, you didn't, didn't didn't Walt Hazzard
Speaker 3: have that?
Speaker 4: God, you know what. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But and back then it was more of you gotta
Speaker 2: beat loot, so you had to be serious, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, Montgomery was the serious guy. Bibby was that guy. No, No,
Speaker 2: a couple Rob Evans and su No. But he's not
Speaker 2: at all like Tommy. But he was a laid back guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just remember him.
Speaker 2: Him and Rosboro kind of he got on rosborow for
Speaker 2: a handshake or something, and I didn't like him after that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he allegedly said, look at me when I
Speaker 3: kicked your ass, right the quote the weird remember that
Speaker 3: after they beat as you beat him up there and
Speaker 3: they were shaking hands and he told Rosboro that.
Speaker 2: And then next year, in the year after it was
Speaker 2: gonna turn the favorite big time. Yeah, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, because I don't I don't remember anybody who
Speaker 2: I thought was, you know, really serious like that. There
Speaker 2: really isn't anybody like that that you think of now, well,
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve, No, But Tommy is. You know, Tomy's
Speaker 2: a different cat though, he's just a different His demeanor is.
Speaker 5: It's almost it's almost like he doesn't.
Speaker 4: He doesn't.
Speaker 3: He doesn't look like anything bothers him. You know, we're
Speaker 3: talking about Brent Brennan, right, who's kind of.
Speaker 2: Saying, you know, same but different, Same but different.
Speaker 3: You don't feel you feel Tommy's way more engaged than
Speaker 3: maybe Brennan is. But you watch Tommy in the game,
Speaker 3: and yeah, there's time he sees a call and he'll
Speaker 3: yell at a guy or whatever, but you don't feel
Speaker 3: like he's losing it to the point of not paying
Speaker 3: attention to what's going on.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing my difference. And I don't know
Speaker 2: why I would do this, but I would go with
Speaker 2: for a drink with Tommy. With Brent, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'd have to buy the beer. Does he drink beer?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: See, you know what I'm saying. It's it's a different
Speaker 2: vibe if you had a beer with them. Don't you
Speaker 2: think the first time I went to lunch with Tommy,
Speaker 2: he had two PEPs blue rubins for lunch for lunch.
Speaker 2: I thought he was better than that. You better he's
Speaker 2: a regular guy. Yeah, well, no, Rolling Rock. He's from
Speaker 2: that area right up there right.
Speaker 3: Isn't Rolling Rock a big deal in Oregon in Washington
Speaker 3: up in the Northwest. I know it comes from Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: but I just remember a couple of our road trips
Speaker 3: we would go.
Speaker 5: We would go looking for Rolling Rock nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4: Seven Olympia Brewery there then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Olympia was a big deal. No, we're
Speaker 2: talking about beer. But the vibe of Tommy's just different.
Speaker 2: And I've said this to him and to many people.
Speaker 2: He's he was the perfect guy to come in to
Speaker 2: replace Sean because of Sewn's situation. It's his demeanor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's why he's been successful.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think his his way of doing
Speaker 3: things resonates right now with with the bath with today's
Speaker 3: basketball player. Here's one things Like we're talking about McK
Speaker 3: cronin right, who just lit up his players, you know
Speaker 3: last night, two nights ago, I mean, just crapped all
Speaker 3: over them.
Speaker 5: And he's done that before, and he's done before.
Speaker 3: We've seen him say things to his players, you know
Speaker 3: when when we're on the sideline at the at the
Speaker 3: Pac twelve tournament and you think what you said, Who
Speaker 3: wants to come and play for a guy like that?
Speaker 3: And nowadays you know, and today's player, I think is
Speaker 3: a little more in a position of power. I guess
Speaker 3: you would say to say, well, then I don't have
Speaker 3: to be here for that, because I can play next
Speaker 3: year somewhere. I don't have to sit out somewhere if
Speaker 3: I decide I don't want to play for a guy
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they get a whole year travel around their
Speaker 4: conference looking at these other coaches.
Speaker 5: Right man, I'd like to or talking to other players.
Speaker 4: You can't tell me players don't sit around going, boy,
Speaker 4: I'd like to play for him? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, And that's what they're doing, because that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They're actually physically doing it. But his whole roster changed
Speaker 2: after lest year. Right, guess what if anybody's roster is
Speaker 2: going to change the year to year, it's gonna be it.
Speaker 2: You get there, Hey, you didn't promise me this.
Speaker 4: That guy's such a quack. One game at Michael about
Speaker 4: two years ago, when he was in his fit after
Speaker 4: the game, someone asked him about the ross or something
Speaker 4: and he goes, uh u, c l A doesn't take transfers.
Speaker 2: Oh he said that, Yeah, well, I remember last year
Speaker 2: was last year was justin it was it was the
Speaker 2: guy who spit He talked about the crowd, and it
Speaker 2: was the guy who spit et.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he said I would expect that from you
Speaker 4: or something. He didn't know who he was, and he
Speaker 4: once told me I was there once when a guy said,
Speaker 4: how come you wear a suit? Everybody else where it's
Speaker 4: just you know, casual clothes. Now he goes, because John
Speaker 4: Woulden would wear a suit. Oh yeah, you are so
Speaker 4: John Wooden.
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to see it, but I didn't
Speaker 2: have I know John Wooden, and you know John Wooden.
Speaker 4: We'll see I think perfect.
Speaker 2: The thing is, uh, you'll see him again next year,
Speaker 2: We'll see him again in the year before after. I think,
Speaker 2: is it three years, street years or whatever.
Speaker 4: So there's that.
Speaker 2: But I think, though to your question of seeing people
Speaker 2: in the Pac twelve, I don't remember seeing anybody like Tommy,
Speaker 2: but there's a few guys in the Big twelve that
Speaker 2: are like him. You know, come on, Kelvin, although he's older,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like you know it was.
Speaker 5: He seemed like a laid back kind of guy. I mean,
Speaker 5: he wanted to kick your ass.
Speaker 3: But he wasn't Yeah, you know, he wasn't ready to
Speaker 3: fight you in the middle of the game.
Speaker 2: Would he get into it with you? Oh sure, yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: And there's a few I think there's a few in there,
Speaker 2: kind of more casual.
Speaker 4: You know, Bill self doesn't do no, he doesn't show anger.
Speaker 2: No. Right, No, that was another guy we wanted to say,
Speaker 2: just that his stature is higher.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he knows he's gonna be good, no matter. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this bad moment will pass, right exactly like last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had the issue, had him by like eight
Speaker 2: ten at halftime, and then they got their butt kicked
Speaker 2: in the second half, Like you said, twelve points in
Speaker 2: the second half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was And.
Speaker 2: You're thinking Arizona State might be good, might be give
Speaker 2: Arizona a tough game up in Tempe, and then that happened.
Speaker 3: Well there's the guy with the demeanor everybody likes, right,
Speaker 3: Bobby Hurley.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Well why didn't do carry him? The most
Speaker 4: famous player ever in Duke.
Speaker 3: And because of that, I think that's you know, they
Speaker 3: don't want they don't want that guy on their sideline, right, And.
Speaker 2: You saw what happened with the in Netflix. One thing,
Speaker 2: right that it's happened, and it didn't happen and they're state.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you because what I know. And
Speaker 2: and Troy came on the scene maybe two three months
Speaker 2: ago and started talking about kids not being paid from
Speaker 2: being promised, that not being paid. Now we're we're actually
Speaker 2: seeing that.
Speaker 5: Duke or just every anywhere anywhere.
Speaker 2: That surprised you.
Speaker 4: I never gave it much thought, but the first time
Speaker 4: it happened, it was that quarterback at the UNLV And
Speaker 4: then I thought, well, if they don't have it in riding,
Speaker 4: this is going to happen more and more.
Speaker 2: And it's happening well, Florida State.
Speaker 4: They're suing that.
Speaker 2: They're suing Leonard Hamilton, four guys, four guys for they
Speaker 2: didn't get paid quarter of a million dollars.
Speaker 4: And then James, when you know how much money guys
Speaker 4: like kle Glove is making for Florida State. Guys are
Speaker 4: making two fifty each Florida State basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah they haven't called you yet. Yeah, no, I knew
Speaker 2: you graduated at some point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I have some eligibility left I do.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm talking about digging your pockets to.
Speaker 3: Take my pocket. They know I don't have that, like
Speaker 3: they got they got my Uh. I think it's a
Speaker 3: hundred bucks per per season football tea.
Speaker 4: That's they're big.
Speaker 3: Yet they get two hundred bucks from us, and yeah
Speaker 3: and uh and then said, I get a little luggage
Speaker 3: tag every year and this year got I got this
Speaker 3: little coin of the commemorating the first year in the
Speaker 3: in the in the good for you saved, well save.
Speaker 4: I got that on my dad.
Speaker 2: So you guys, I don't greg. You go to games
Speaker 2: every now and again. Jay's there because he has to
Speaker 2: be at work. I'm there because I have to be.
Speaker 2: But these start times are not going to be very favorable.
Speaker 2: And will they have a will McHale be a home
Speaker 2: court advantage when it's eight thirty nine o'clock game next Tuesday?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for the next few games, late games eight
Speaker 4: o'clock Saturday, I think for Baylor on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: And what about Monday night with Irish State, it's going
Speaker 2: to be a late late game nine o'clock and that's
Speaker 2: when they need them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, students, it doesn't matter to the students. Yeah, students
Speaker 4: will be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, come on, draw our age now.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's funny though, because I worked the women's game last
Speaker 3: night against Baylor. It was a great Well, it was
Speaker 3: a terrible game and then it was a great game.
Speaker 3: Arizona just looked out of place. They look they don't
Speaker 3: belong on this court with this team. They go into
Speaker 3: the fourth and then they cut it down to like
Speaker 3: twelve going into the fourth quarter, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, they're semi respectable. You know, they lose by ten, twelve,
Speaker 3: fourteen points, you know, at least say, and then the
Speaker 3: next thing you know, they got a shot to win
Speaker 3: the game, and I thought, what the hell do you
Speaker 3: you know, what what did happen? We went in overtime
Speaker 3: and they lost.
Speaker 4: How did they get that?
Speaker 3: They their defense, their defense that they I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know how many how many uh layups at you know,
Speaker 3: Baylor went into the lane. What was working all day?
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden it wasn't. And then
Speaker 3: they just ran some stuff inside and it's like they
Speaker 3: figured something out during the break between the third and
Speaker 3: fourth quarter. And the next thing you know that you know,
Speaker 3: they cut it to eight when a couple of possessions,
Speaker 3: then they cut it to six when a couple of
Speaker 3: possessions they cut it to and I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 3: this game's didn't go overtime. I'm not to stay here
Speaker 3: longer you were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So Greg, let me ask you a serious
Speaker 2: question because you also did something. And I've been talking
Speaker 2: to people. Uh, she's at a crossroads, a good and bad.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: People, you know this is her place, but.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it is anyway. I know exactly
Speaker 4: because she's going to get two percent of the revenue
Speaker 4: sharing money, which which shocked me. Shocked me, and I
Speaker 4: can tell you she is beyond angry. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: this is how naive I am with that. I thought
Speaker 4: everyone's getting equal shares. No, but no, it's not even close.
Speaker 3: When the football is going to get like she's twelve thirteen,
Speaker 3: I thought a million dollars, but it's.
Speaker 2: Like sixty five percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in basketball about sixteen percent, and then baseball softball
Speaker 4: wins basketball about two percent.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense to me, but that's what That's
Speaker 3: how it's going to be across the board.
Speaker 4: Though. You know some on internet Texas Tech Athletic director
Speaker 4: when public and broke down, and that's exactly the cut
Speaker 4: that Arizona's going to have, like that football pays the
Speaker 4: bills to.
Speaker 2: So what do you what do you think because I'm
Speaker 2: hearing stuff too.
Speaker 4: Do you think she's still on the open market attractive
Speaker 4: to the elite jobs?
Speaker 2: Well, yes, yes, to what degree? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well where's where is she going to go? Though?
Speaker 3: That's going to get her more money than that. There's
Speaker 3: one point two five million, Yeah, you know, where's she
Speaker 3: going to go?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what they pay at the w
Speaker 2: n b A, but I'm sure that there's an eye
Speaker 2: there too.
Speaker 4: It's because they're they're going to have a bad season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not gonna because in the end, they lost
Speaker 3: last night, right and and uh, you know, I was
Speaker 3: getting to the point that watching the the you know,
Speaker 3: a big twelve team like Baylor come in and it's different.
Speaker 3: It's different than watching Washington State or Oregon State or
Speaker 3: something like that. Like this is a team that's won
Speaker 3: national championships and a horse running at Paradise and now
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there at Santa Aniita, right and
Speaker 3: and it was really visible last night. What's her name,
Speaker 3: Aaronet von Ley is playing for it's also playing for Baylor,
Speaker 3: and she's good and she was here and now she's
Speaker 3: there and you're wondering, you know, how's that? How how's
Speaker 3: that gonna fly going forward?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And and I'm gonna say, you know, Arizona's talent is
Speaker 3: middle of the road.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 3: Now their gutsy, they play hard, they look like they
Speaker 3: wear carded. There's a couple of players that maybe look
Speaker 3: like they need some work or some motivation, but there's
Speaker 3: a talent gap. There's a there was a talent gap
Speaker 3: last night between Baylor and Arizona. And the fact that
Speaker 3: Arizona got that game into overtime, to me was stunning
Speaker 3: based on what I saw the first three.
Speaker 2: Remember Jay, when we had her on last and we
Speaker 2: were in the studio right when we looked at each
Speaker 2: other when she talked about nil and one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand, how can she compete with the the l
Speaker 2: s us of two million?
Speaker 5: And we're like, looking, this doesn't sound it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound good. Look at her players were transferred out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Matty Connor is the best shooter in college basketball at TCU.
Speaker 3: If they had her just one one shooter, yeah, but
Speaker 3: she wasn't a great shooter here, which I don't understand.
Speaker 3: She had streaks, streaks, that's right. She wasn't a consistent
Speaker 3: She's not at consistent.
Speaker 4: She's alone. There's other people who have.
Speaker 5: But remember they brought that Oregon, the girl from Shavin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she we saw her play here for Oregon
Speaker 3: and just light up Arizona. And then when they got her,
Speaker 3: I like, Okay, that's the shooter they've been looking for.
Speaker 5: And she was average And the same one with the
Speaker 5: a SU girl, the transfer.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, she would have streaks, but she wasn't
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 3: Conference Yeah, no, it's it's weird, but you know, getting
Speaker 3: too the question of a DA Yeah, I mean, and look,
Speaker 3: it's gonna it's gonna be like that in a lot
Speaker 3: of places. Is that you know when you see where
Speaker 3: women's basketball is on the totem pole, you know there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of coaches and saying what, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go find something else, whether it's a w NBA
Speaker 3: or something like that, or go be an assistant at
Speaker 3: a place that's got a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Well, here we're talking about the prodigal daughter, right who's
Speaker 2: come back, has raised a level to a degree that
Speaker 2: we never thought possible. And now I'm saying I don't
Speaker 2: know if I can do this in any Yeah, because
Speaker 2: the fans are still coming. There was there were sixty
Speaker 2: five hundred there last night. Yeah, you know, they were
Speaker 2: getting you know, I worked some of their games when
Speaker 2: she first got here.
Speaker 3: Five hundred eight hundred. You know, there's still six thousand
Speaker 3: people coming to the game. So they're coming. The question
Speaker 3: is is the money coming in to support what they're doing.
Speaker 4: Tough situation.
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Speaker 4: Sports sporteen fifty.
Speaker 2: I'm Steve Rivera, you're Jagans also got great handser with
Speaker 2: a waiting for our guy, mister Aaron Torres from Fox
Speaker 2: Sports to talk about whatever, but the interesting stuff. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on in UV obviously the
Speaker 2: new a D she's kind of first year now almost
Speaker 2: officially a year, she's almost quite a year. Uh so
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff the softball going on. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's stuff there. Baseball starts here pretty soon.
Speaker 3: Uh twelfth, I saw somewhere, right, I got players, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Mason White, guys.
Speaker 4: It's odd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm you know that that graphic
Speaker 3: came up and I just kind of glanced at it
Speaker 3: and my somehow the A immediately caught my eye, right,
Speaker 3: and I thought.
Speaker 4: Their twelfth there ranked twelve.
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's like national championship territories, right, because.
Speaker 4: They have pitching. They must have pitching, and they've got
Speaker 4: a superstar pitching coach. That guy they run in last year, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he does all that.
Speaker 3: I mean, their pitching last year was phenomenal, right, I
Speaker 3: there was some I mean I loved Candyatti last year.
Speaker 3: I just watching him pitch was fun to watch, you know,
Speaker 3: and he wasn't even their number one guy. Yeah, Walter, Yeah, they.
Speaker 4: Got Summer Hill, Mason White, Andrew Cane, a kid from
Speaker 4: Ironwood Ridge.
Speaker 5: I mean, it should be fun and go out to
Speaker 5: the juice box man.
Speaker 2: So tell me again the percentages of if adig gets too,
Speaker 2: who's baseball is getting two?
Speaker 4: Yeah, depends on the revenue you bring in. Is your
Speaker 4: percentage in baseball? And Whens basketball are about a push? Oh?
Speaker 2: Is that what they're doing? Okay, I get it now,
Speaker 2: I get it. Kind of makes sense, Yeah, which means
Speaker 2: it's not a whole lot.
Speaker 4: Did they even think about track and field or saw
Speaker 4: or anything like that. Probably not. You don't bring anything. Wow. Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3: It's it's changing everything, and you just wonder what's the
Speaker 3: future of those those other sports, right, you know it
Speaker 3: can't you know, can they survive, can they make it?
Speaker 3: Or does it just become Okay, every school's got a
Speaker 3: football team and that's all you got, boy.
Speaker 4: The male non revenue sports. I think in the next
Speaker 4: five years you're in real danger. Swimming, men's swimming, tennis,
Speaker 4: men's track, tennisnis.
Speaker 3: Especially some of some of the uh you know, facility
Speaker 3: uh dependent sport you know, like a swimming you know,
Speaker 3: to have a swimming facility, right, what it costs to
Speaker 3: run that, what it costs to have a golf course,
Speaker 3: right to be at Tucson Country Club for you know,
Speaker 3: for Arizona, can.
Speaker 4: You imagine what it costs for a track team that
Speaker 4: traveled to Baylor for a meet. Yeah, there's a whole
Speaker 4: lot of them.
Speaker 2: Well, imagine if you're not all the gear and all this,
Speaker 2: this is at Arizona where you're kind of middling group
Speaker 2: or whatever. What if you're at New Mexico, Colorado Stateium,
Speaker 2: no kidding you your toast pretty much? How are you
Speaker 2: going to compete with even the Arizonas when Arizona can't
Speaker 2: compete with the Texas.
Speaker 4: And they're not going to cut any women's sports. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: the men's volume sports like track, and I mean, i'd
Speaker 4: say or don't have a very rosy future.
Speaker 3: How many how many athletes are there in a track team?
Speaker 3: Men's and women's.
Speaker 4: Gotta be forty on each, yeah, splitting like.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's almost like a football team. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: that you got a.
Speaker 4: Track program, I think it only has twelve scholarships to
Speaker 4: spread among those forty today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're gonna have to get to get some
Speaker 3: of the revenue, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's tough, that's tough. They have twenty one sports,
Speaker 4: twenty three sports depends on if you count indoor track
Speaker 4: and field for one or two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, let's me ask you don't question because I
Speaker 2: ask the coach, is this question? I know the answer
Speaker 2: they'd say all the time. Are you you're in the
Speaker 2: towilet of your career? You're still doing it out of love?
Speaker 2: Are you glad you're not dealing with it now, even
Speaker 2: though there's a lot to write about it? Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, because it's it's changed so much.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what it's like when you're doing it,
Speaker 4: it's part of your routine and it's just what you do.
Speaker 4: Then when you stop doing that routine, it's like, I'm
Speaker 4: glad I'm not doing that. What the hell was I doing?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we've talked about that as writers, and
Speaker 3: we were, you know, in a time when people read
Speaker 3: newspapers and be that's where your stuff was. Right, you
Speaker 3: didn't have to be on social media two o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning because some kid on the East Coast got
Speaker 3: up in the morning and announced where he's going to school.
Speaker 2: I had to get video of it.
Speaker 3: Right, and and all of that, you know, and you
Speaker 3: see what you see what guys like Justin Spears, Michael
Speaker 3: lev some of those guys, you know, the pros have
Speaker 3: to do you know to cover sports, and like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to do that, no way, you.
Speaker 4: Know, on maybe what did you think maybe an average
Speaker 4: of three nights a month you had breaking stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 4: when we were all in newspapers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's every day's and it's just several times a
Speaker 3: day now on stuff. When you you know, when you
Speaker 3: see that you know, this this wide receiver and that
Speaker 3: coach and this linebacker whatever, all in the same day
Speaker 3: decided on something that affects Arizona and you got to
Speaker 3: you got to do something with that.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, didn't know.
Speaker 2: Well, the good thing is like today you have the news,
Speaker 2: you have stuff to write about. You just never boring,
Speaker 2: but it's the time of it's the what's next to
Speaker 2: what's coming?
Speaker 4: What's you know? And doing it now? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're okay. Now we're getting now
Speaker 5: we're you know.
Speaker 4: The good thing.
Speaker 2: They're breaking their own stuff, so you're not calling Can
Speaker 2: you tell me first? Can you tell me first? Can
Speaker 2: you do that they're breaking it and you're using their
Speaker 2: stuff to report?
Speaker 3: There is that there's that because I mean, I know
Speaker 3: you know and you know it, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I worried when you when I recovering football, I worry
Speaker 3: that you're gonna have something that I didn't have. But
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're worried about that on the
Speaker 3: you know, going the other way. But you know that
Speaker 3: was when I when I was you know, covering the
Speaker 3: police beat. Yeah, you know, something big happened there and
Speaker 3: I got beat on something. You got called into the
Speaker 3: office like, how the hell did you not get this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: My the one that sticks in my mind about how
Speaker 3: the hell did you not get this?
Speaker 5: Was when when Dick went to the eyebone against U C.
Speaker 2: L A.
Speaker 4: And they ran for like eight.
Speaker 5: Hundred yards And.
Speaker 3: It came after a bye week and they and and
Speaker 3: Dick get talked about how they you know, they just
Speaker 3: changed their their formation in the backfield. I literally got
Speaker 3: called in on Monday. I got called into the managing
Speaker 3: editor's office and said, how did you miss this? Remember
Speaker 3: Steve Emery and I think was the sports editor or
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's Stever Chuck or whatever. But
Speaker 3: I got called into the mana gener's office says, how
Speaker 3: did you miss this? I said, I was a practice
Speaker 3: every day I just did. I just didn't notice it.
Speaker 3: What do you want me to do. What are you
Speaker 3: I going to say? You know, because they said they
Speaker 3: practiced all that, you know during the off week. I said, look,
Speaker 3: I was a practice every day. When I go to practice,
Speaker 3: I go to practice to see who got hurt. And
Speaker 3: I didn't see the alignment difference. And I got in
Speaker 3: trouble for that.
Speaker 2: No, we talked about it. Now. When we go to
Speaker 2: the spring not spring, but we go to the fall
Speaker 2: practice and we see what we see, it says, what
Speaker 2: are we trying to see? We don't know what we're
Speaker 2: trying to see. You know, we're just seeing the people
Speaker 2: are held, they're healthier, whatever, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: You see who's playing, who's the first team quarterback, who's
Speaker 3: the second dam quarterback?
Speaker 4: Whatever. Yeah, that was the only reason you had to
Speaker 4: spend those two to three hours every.
Speaker 5: Every day, man, going to football practice.
Speaker 2: What do you think these kids or the people today
Speaker 2: are covering this?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Wish we can go to practice. You don't know.
Speaker 3: You don't If you had to go every day, you
Speaker 3: would hate life. Yes, famous last words from Jack Richard.
Speaker 3: When I started working here, Jack said, I met him
Speaker 3: the first time. He said, what beat you do? And
Speaker 3: I said football, And he goes, sorry, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about. You have to go to every practice, don't you.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah. He said, that's why I quit basketball.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, So it was and you stand
Speaker 3: there and your back would hurt, and it's you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I got you know, the first year I
Speaker 3: went to campco Chase and I took a lawn chair,
Speaker 3: you know, to sit be on the sidelines. Well, I
Speaker 3: didn't take one after the first day, after the first
Speaker 3: day of two a days and we were all just
Speaker 3: standing there, and everybody just stood there. I went to
Speaker 3: that kmart next door to the next door to the
Speaker 3: Motel six, and I got myself a chair, you know.
Speaker 4: Don't you next to the prison.
Speaker 5: And it was the next thing that well, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: You had the prison, the Motel six, in the in
Speaker 3: the kmart, and and Tom Donaldson took a picture of that,
Speaker 3: took you know, from the other side of the field,
Speaker 3: took a picture of me sitting in my lawn chair
Speaker 3: and threatened to send it to.
Speaker 4: Our editor.
Speaker 3: But then and then all of a sudden, people realized
Speaker 3: that's a good idea.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: And then we all had chairs and.
Speaker 4: You couldn't beat the camaraderie. Well, that was a good times,
Speaker 4: the good times because we could go play pool. Or
Speaker 4: that's funny.
Speaker 3: I was golfing with my my son and uh, he
Speaker 3: takes he takes his little music speaker and he plays music.
Speaker 3: But the guy we're playing with also had his own
Speaker 3: music and friends in low places. That that country song.
Speaker 3: I explained the story to my my son. I said,
Speaker 3: that was a Dawson's bar and grill uh staple. Butch
Speaker 3: Henry would play that every time we went over there
Speaker 3: to shoot pool. I said, Adam, we would shoot pool
Speaker 3: with Dwayne and Quina and and and and and uh
Speaker 3: Mark Lunsford and and Pat Hill and all those guys.
Speaker 3: We could go shoot pool and drink beer with those
Speaker 3: guys all night long. And Butcher would keep feeding country
Speaker 3: music into the thing. But I said, that's how it was. Then,
Speaker 3: think about you were the sports information director. You kept
Speaker 3: us away from everything, and that was your job, not
Speaker 3: because you wanted to, but because that's what they wanted
Speaker 3: you to do.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 3: If it's hard for you to fathom what that was like,
Speaker 3: not only the camaraderie between the writers who were competing
Speaker 3: but still friends, friends and then the you know, the
Speaker 3: coaches and stuff playing poker. Remember at Tech at the
Speaker 3: Texas Techi we went and got a bunch of beer,
Speaker 3: filled up the bathtub with beer, and the coaches came
Speaker 3: over and played poker in that room and that game
Speaker 3: the next day and they got their asses kicked. But
Speaker 3: that wasn't why they got their But we played poker
Speaker 3: into the night. James Gray was the reason why.
Speaker 4: I remember about going into a bar and York City
Speaker 4: with Jim Rosborough the night before a game in the preseason.
Speaker 4: N I t every time Arizona's in a preseason n
Speaker 4: I would you go at that same bar? It would
Speaker 4: be Rasim Donaldson late eighties in the early nineties. It
Speaker 4: was just you can't beat those times. Those that's what
Speaker 4: was the fun. That was what was fun about being
Speaker 4: a sports writer and why it was work. But it
Speaker 4: wasn't because you were having so much fun.
Speaker 2: And once you were done, you were done, once you wrote
Speaker 2: your stuff and you sall meet you down there or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, if you're not Bruce, you're not
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you.
Speaker 2: Let me here's another dichotomy, guys, Greg specific to you.
Speaker 2: They need to sell tickets, right, they need to sell tickets,
Speaker 2: But how do you sell tickets to to to to
Speaker 2: fans who don't know who the players are because we're
Speaker 2: not allowed to tell those It's not that we're not
Speaker 2: allowed to tell the stories.
Speaker 4: They don't let us.
Speaker 2: We're not able to tell their stories. How do you
Speaker 2: go with that? Back in the day, they knew the
Speaker 2: players because we told their stories. Now that's not the case.
Speaker 2: I remember going to of all players by some DeLay's apartment.
Speaker 2: He was the most.
Speaker 4: In antic. He was a tough guy. Yeah, to get
Speaker 4: to know he let me go to his apartment, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and talk to me for an hour and a half.
Speaker 4: If you tried that now, they wouldn't even do You.
Speaker 3: Remember walking walking into their locker room after they lost
Speaker 3: in Long Beach in nineteen nineteen ninety to Alabama. Yes,
Speaker 3: and the door opens and he's sitting there on a
Speaker 3: slumped in a folding chair and you said, I'm not
Speaker 3: going over there. And I was the one who had
Speaker 3: to go over there and talked it.
Speaker 4: And then I heard Judd Busher just ripping me.
Speaker 3: Look at that guy, and that was part of the reason. Well,
Speaker 3: that was why Luke got mad, And that's why Luke
Speaker 3: got mad at me over that whole story. Didn't talk
Speaker 3: to me for years after that. But you know again,
Speaker 3: you know, you talk about Bison dalely. You know, I
Speaker 3: went to I just wanted to spend the day at
Speaker 3: Steve Kerr's apartment before the eighty eight season.
Speaker 5: I picked him up at practice.
Speaker 3: I picked him up up, We threw his he had
Speaker 3: he had ridden his bike to to practice. He lived
Speaker 3: over there in that those apartments that had been in
Speaker 3: elementary school on Park and uh Park and Speedway just
Speaker 3: north of Speedway on Park that converted an elementary school
Speaker 3: into some apartments and that's where he was living with
Speaker 3: Bruce Fraser. We threw his bike in the trunk of
Speaker 3: my car and we went over to Sausage Deli. We
Speaker 3: got some sandwiches, and I went to his apartment, he
Speaker 3: and Bruce and we watched football all day and I
Speaker 3: just see and I interviewed him for a little while,
Speaker 3: and then I was probably there three four hours, you know.
Speaker 3: And well, to my to my point, because and I
Speaker 3: got a better story because of that, no question.
Speaker 2: And people knew who they were. And to my point,
Speaker 2: for this with with Loot, he let them grow up,
Speaker 2: let them say what they wanted to say with you know,
Speaker 2: with what the reason Now you know, Greg comes in
Speaker 2: Burn and Sean and it's limited very watch what you say,
Speaker 2: YadA YadA. It's almost us against them and it should
Speaker 2: never be, never come to that, but it has.
Speaker 4: Arizona beat Utah Utah and like two thousand five fifteen
Speaker 4: when Utah was the top twenty five team in basketball. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it was on deadline game and I was waiting
Speaker 4: in the tunnel a way back there, yeah, and Solomon
Speaker 4: Hill walks out and he saw me. He said, you
Speaker 4: want to talk to me? Yeah, So I went over
Speaker 4: started talking to him and that sid they had at
Speaker 4: the time, Oh Corey. Yes, Corey was over and physically
Speaker 4: pulled me away, pulled you away, wouldn't let me talk
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 3: I would have fist fought right there. We would have
Speaker 3: thrown me, but that's the extreme. We would have thrown hands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, completely harmless something Yeah yeah, yeah, And that was
Speaker 4: just the way it is and still kind of is
Speaker 4: it makes no sense? Yeah, no it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, again going back to the you
Speaker 3: know those days, you know when I went and interviewed
Speaker 3: Anthony Cook that year, he's his senior year. Right, so
Speaker 3: I was doing his senior year story, went to went
Speaker 3: to he was sharing a dorm room with Shawn Elliott, well,
Speaker 3: not really shared, it was a Sean had his room.
Speaker 3: The bathroom was in between. And then Anthony sweet sweet right,
Speaker 3: the sweet they were sweet me and you know that
Speaker 3: was where Anthony cooked told me his dad had committed suicide.
Speaker 4: And we got that personal.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't get that anymore unless you're the
Speaker 3: dude on ESPN that does those stories for Game Day,
Speaker 3: right when those those very sad stories that they do.
Speaker 3: You don't get those stories anymore, you know, because because
Speaker 3: Greg you as a columnist, and Justin Spears and Mike
Speaker 3: lev and Brian Peterson and those other guys, you guys
Speaker 3: all get the same thing. Yeah it saw well you
Speaker 3: write it yea or we you know, we would record
Speaker 3: that the press the press conferences and just play it.
Speaker 5: And that's what was in those guys of stories, the
Speaker 5: exact same words.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there needs to be a change. If they're going
Speaker 2: to sell some tickets, they need to figure that out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think yeah. All right, all right, we're here at
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Speaker 2: We've got Greg Hanson who's joined us here for the
Speaker 2: whole hour. We've been kicking around a lot of stories,
Speaker 2: but talking about a lot of stuff going on right now. Uh,
Speaker 2: just some of that future stuff, man, this scary stuff
Speaker 2: without college sports.
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the xs and os. This is I
Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports sporteen
Speaker 1: fifty eight.
Speaker 2: We welcome back.
Speaker 4: You're taking on a.
Speaker 2: Big game here in about forty five minutes right start.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't talked about that enough Here at SOHL
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Speaker 3: and or bet on the Notre Dame Penn State game.
Speaker 3: Notre Dame minus one and a half. Who are you taking, Steve,
Speaker 3: Penn State? Really, PennState? Are you taking that in our pool?
Speaker 3: I don't know, speaking of you know, I'm I'm not
Speaker 3: doing this. I'm not doing this speaking of I need,
Speaker 3: we need to help people. I know I haven't been
Speaker 3: posting the our our, our, our game.
Speaker 2: Go ahead because I'm still winning.
Speaker 4: But I have.
Speaker 3: I have almost run Steve down. I was I was
Speaker 3: what six points behind you a few weeks ago. I'm
Speaker 3: half a point behind you with fifty six and a
Speaker 3: half to fifty six with this weekend and next weekend
Speaker 3: left to go.
Speaker 2: I choked a big one this weekend. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 2: are fifty six Yeah no, no, no, that's the number.
Speaker 3: No that that's our points, fifty six points sixties like
Speaker 3: in the money.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, you're there is I got sixty
Speaker 2: two someone, so you're about eighty.
Speaker 4: Ish forty forty so yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was up there and then I I was never stinking,
Speaker 3: but he was. He was killing it for a while,
Speaker 3: and I was. I fell way behind him. But I've
Speaker 3: run him down, you.
Speaker 4: Run me down.
Speaker 2: So I got to figure out what you're picking in
Speaker 2: the school the same.
Speaker 4: Well, I already told you one. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know which one is it.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you now if you forgot
Speaker 3: already telling you not the spread six six they came
Speaker 3: out of it, came out of six. There's there's eight games.
Speaker 3: There's the two college games and then the six so
Speaker 3: wildcard games over the weekend.
Speaker 4: With this one tonight. So just because I'll have to
Speaker 4: go with the pros.
Speaker 3: Well I might, I might, you know, when we wrap
Speaker 3: up here, I still might throw my picks in for
Speaker 3: counting today's game.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 4: Do you love the Do you love the playoff? I do?
Speaker 4: I love the college football player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's entertaining. It's they're gonna have to go to sixteen.
Speaker 2: You're gonna say that it's entertaining, You're not, like, well.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't like the issue being involved. Well, okay,
Speaker 4: I know, but take take your but.
Speaker 3: The tournament itself, it's yeah, Now again, I agree with
Speaker 3: what everybody else is saying that they can't give automatic
Speaker 3: or can't give you know, top seeds just because you're
Speaker 3: a conference champion, you should be able to get in,
Speaker 3: you know, an automatic bid for for winning your league championship.
Speaker 3: But you know, the A s U and both Boise
Speaker 3: State seeds they were seated too high.
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: I'm here now that they're not going to change that
Speaker 3: for the next one. That they're not going to change
Speaker 3: it until you know, they're gonna let this run a
Speaker 3: couple of years. Before they do that, They're gonna wait
Speaker 3: and see what happens next year. But I've been fascinated
Speaker 3: about it. I I I love those games. On New
Speaker 3: Year's Eve in New Year's Day, that was really cool,
Speaker 3: and I started thinking, you know, back in the day,
Speaker 3: we had all these bowl games, and we didn't really
Speaker 3: we had three games in the morning, and then you
Speaker 3: had the Rose Bowl and the Orange Bowl, so really
Speaker 3: only five games. We were going to get three had
Speaker 3: they not canceled the And you know, if if if
Speaker 3: something would have been up against the as UH Texas game,
Speaker 3: I wasn't watching those other games I was watching, I
Speaker 3: would be watching the playoffs. So the fact that there
Speaker 3: were only three games scheduled for that day, and they
Speaker 3: won after the other I thought was cool and the
Speaker 3: Rose Bulls still felt like the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's been fun. I think they're going
Speaker 2: to the sixteen games that'd been more fair to everybody.
Speaker 3: Won't do that next year, No, no, no, no, ultimately
Speaker 3: they will well again when you think and of course,
Speaker 3: the reason a couple of the you know, all four
Speaker 3: top seeds lost, but the reason two of them wanted
Speaker 3: is because they shouldn't have been.
Speaker 2: Top seeds, right, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: it's been it's been cool. Tonight's this weekends should be
Speaker 2: pretty good as well. Let's go back to basketball. So
Speaker 2: about a week ago Arizona and maybe to your point, Jay,
Speaker 2: uh no, one, a few people had to be in
Speaker 2: the tournament. They were out of the tournament. Now they're
Speaker 2: back in. We'll see how high they go, how well
Speaker 2: they play. But I'm thinking they're not a four seeds
Speaker 2: right now. They're not a four seed if things go well,
Speaker 2: I mean they could be.
Speaker 4: A five to six. You think they're back in the
Speaker 4: mix though, Yeah, I mean Campom has them fifteen.
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, fourteen, I think When then I saw something
Speaker 3: and I'm looking up. I'm looking up to see where
Speaker 3: they are on on DraftKings in terms of, you know,
Speaker 3: winning the league. But I saw the thing that had
Speaker 3: them as the fourth place team. It was for you know,
Speaker 3: fourth highest best odds to win the league at this
Speaker 3: And I put that yesterday on Facebook.
Speaker 4: Did you okay? That's why follow you.
Speaker 3: Very rarely haven't finished reading your book, but I follow you,
Speaker 3: jab follows. You know, my grandson loves your book. He
Speaker 3: comes to the house every day that he comes to
Speaker 3: the house. It's sitting there on the table next to
Speaker 3: my desk, and he rips it open. He throws the
Speaker 3: cover in the you know, on the ground, and then
Speaker 3: he just leaves it there, all the stuff inside. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is boring.
Speaker 2: There's no pictures in this. So they're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: What okay means I don't know because I said this
Speaker 2: a month or so ago. They have flaws. Those flaws
Speaker 2: are still there, I think, But are they? Well, Townson's
Speaker 2: not going to help you. Waka is probably not gonna
Speaker 2: help you. Although what would they have if they didn't
Speaker 2: have those two.
Speaker 3: But those guys have been they've they they have filled
Speaker 3: the role that they that they needed to Toby a
Speaker 3: Waka just needs to be physical and side. You know,
Speaker 3: when they bring Henry Vassart in, they've got a little
Speaker 3: bit more of a scoring threat with him. Uh, Trey
Speaker 3: Townsend has to realize. I know, he made like eight
Speaker 3: three pointers in that first exhibition game, but that's not
Speaker 3: who he is. He's got to be physical inside, get
Speaker 3: some rebounds, you know, make some plays, make a shot
Speaker 3: here and there, and you know, I think I think
Speaker 3: Trey Townsend was trying to be more than what he's
Speaker 3: supposed to be and that's been you know, realized and
Speaker 3: sort of fixed. Those are the things that I'm talking about, Steve.
Speaker 3: They aren't who they were anymore. I at least from
Speaker 3: what we've seen over the last maybe the last four game,
Speaker 3: but certainly the last three, you know, conference games.
Speaker 2: I still believe that they hit a stretch here where
Speaker 2: they beat teams that she should have beaten.
Speaker 4: That's just how I feel.
Speaker 3: Big DraftKings has Arizona as the third favorite to win.
Speaker 3: It's at one thousand. Okay, so they got they got
Speaker 3: Houston at one twenty. I alway stayed at one fifty five.
Speaker 3: Then you get to Arizona one thousand. I head of
Speaker 3: Kansas to be at twelve eleven. There's an eleven hundred.
Speaker 3: Is Kansas Texas tack at fourteen? Baylor two thousands?
Speaker 4: So great?
Speaker 2: Just to say this again, you agree with me in
Speaker 2: the last few games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cincinnati is not a top twenty five team. Yeah.
Speaker 4: West Virginia's dust player didn't play. But I think maybe
Speaker 4: you guys disagree with this. I think Henry Visa has
Speaker 4: got a heck of the future. Oh heck, I thought
Speaker 4: that two years ago.
Speaker 2: Wow, he's better than Grant Jarrett was a stretch four,
Speaker 2: stretch five. He can actually play. Maybe his shots are
Speaker 2: a little questionable from the three, but.
Speaker 4: He can hit the three. Oh I watch him in practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to be a heck of a player.
Speaker 4: Can you put the ball on the ground and move
Speaker 4: with it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got to get his feet under him a
Speaker 3: little bit more. But he's had again another thing that
Speaker 3: you see that a little better every game.
Speaker 2: And let's let's not say this or let's go with here.
Speaker 2: Prebos kind of bogged it down. Yes, yes, it's not
Speaker 2: bogged out anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were trying to because he's a really good player.
Speaker 3: And then so they were trying to force that one.
Speaker 3: Maybe because of the injury, Uh, maybe because he didn't
Speaker 3: practice much in the in the off season. But you're right,
Speaker 3: he was clogging things up in terms of the rotation
Speaker 3: and stuff because Tommy felt like we got to get
Speaker 3: him in there because we need him. But now that
Speaker 3: he's gone, it's cleared a lot of things up. Sure,
Speaker 3: and the motion is different, Yes, it's very it's very
Speaker 3: different because they know who tobyo Waka is. Right, He's
Speaker 3: a guy that's going to bruise inside. If he gets
Speaker 3: the ball, he's gonna kick it back out to somebody
Speaker 3: unless he's right under the basket.
Speaker 5: Then he's gonna get physical and throw it up there.
Speaker 5: But Tobyo Waka is not.
Speaker 3: He can't do what Crevis does, and as long as
Speaker 3: he doesn't try to do what Creevus does, then he's useful.
Speaker 4: I think Visar will have a few clunkers at the
Speaker 4: worst possible time. Yeah, but I also think he'll continue
Speaker 4: to grow and if he comes back next year, I
Speaker 4: think he could be an all conference player.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no question in a tough conference. Right, what
Speaker 2: about this this guy dyl also? So you need him
Speaker 2: you need him. Like the other night, he had ten points, right,
Speaker 2: that's given. That's points to that's gravy because he's not
Speaker 2: gonna give you ten points every night.
Speaker 4: But he's got to.
Speaker 3: He's got to hit a couple of clutch threes every game.
Speaker 3: If it's two, maybe three, that's what he's for.
Speaker 5: He's he's got to he's got to stretch the defense
Speaker 5: out to him.
Speaker 3: And it's to the point where if he's gonna shoot,
Speaker 3: he's you know, they got to know that they can't
Speaker 3: let him shoot if he makes it, you know, a
Speaker 3: couple of shots a game. I just got to just
Speaker 3: make his first one, and now the defense has to
Speaker 3: pay attention to him.
Speaker 4: Well here, here's what you gotta have.
Speaker 2: That from him, you have a walk to get you know,
Speaker 2: maybe six seven points with about seven rebounds. And then
Speaker 2: Townsend kind of helped with that. So I you, those
Speaker 2: three dudes who you don't expect much from give you something.
Speaker 2: This team could be okay, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2: I think they brought.
Speaker 4: Townsend in on on the premise, we're gonna let you
Speaker 4: develop into a three point shooters, see what the scouts
Speaker 4: think about you. And after a few months they went No, that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he has stopped shooting him Now he'll throw
Speaker 3: one up hit, but but he's not doing he's.
Speaker 4: Not he's not looking for that shot. Right.
Speaker 3: If he gets it and he's wide open, he'll take it,
Speaker 3: which is good. And if he makes a few, then
Speaker 3: then that's great. But he's not shooting it all the
Speaker 3: time like she was earlier in the season, which leads
Speaker 3: me to this question. Guys Arizona will go as far
Speaker 3: as as that that three guard tandem takes them. Those
Speaker 3: guys have to continue to play together, continue to respect
Speaker 3: each other's roles, and not get selfish.
Speaker 5: That's I think that's what has to happen.
Speaker 3: And then all those other things del orso and and
Speaker 3: and vas are in towns, all those things fall into place.
Speaker 3: If those three guys are doing what they can do
Speaker 3: and should do. That's how I see it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: my expert opinion.
Speaker 4: What it's worth. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: That's what your group probably says to No, but I agree,
Speaker 2: it's it's the three three. It's the three guys, I mean,
Speaker 2: the three of me goes. If they don't play well together,
Speaker 2: they're not going to go work far. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: Caleb is so hot and cold that I don't know
Speaker 2: but there. But you know, the guy that they need
Speaker 2: all the time is Jayden. He's he's the he's the
Speaker 2: the wholeus of the group.
Speaker 3: But when Caleb had thirty something, thirty one, thirty three
Speaker 3: the other night, did you think he had that many points?
Speaker 11: So?
Speaker 3: I didn't either, because you know, on my screen, you know,
Speaker 3: when I'm when I'm doing the stats, it doesn't give
Speaker 3: me any stats like that. If I want to see stats,
Speaker 3: I've got to open up the stat broadcast. And late
Speaker 3: in the game, I you know, I looked up at
Speaker 3: the board, you know, in the scoreboard in the in
Speaker 3: the arena, and I said that he had he was
Speaker 3: in his thirties.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, when the hell did that happen? I
Speaker 4: had no idea. It didn't look like thirty points to me.
Speaker 4: This team looks so much different when he's doing that, though.
Speaker 2: I mean, he they wrote him last.
Speaker 3: Year, and until he didn't right, until he couldn't well,
Speaker 3: until that the load got too heavy, and it you.
Speaker 4: Know, I guess what hold on to your ask?
Speaker 5: Of course, of course you go based on somebody's history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, where do you think I'll happen to Caleb
Speaker 4: Love after beyond.
Speaker 3: He'll he'll he'll, yeah, he'll sign as a free agent,
Speaker 3: you know, with the NBA. He'll get his shot in
Speaker 3: the G League or whatever, and then he'll wind up overseas.
Speaker 3: He's not the same kind of player, but in terms
Speaker 3: of his level, he's He's who We've had him on
Speaker 3: the show. He's been overseas forever.
Speaker 4: I don't know the guard. No, no, the you have
Speaker 4: a guard? Why can I think his name is Johnson?
Speaker 3: Oh god, he's a level of player, but that he
Speaker 3: can go overseas, probably do really, really well.
Speaker 5: But he's just not quite good enough, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Here's to you guys, that he's this good that we
Speaker 2: see a back player of the Year blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and he's not even the fourth best player on the team.
Speaker 4: That's how good you for the NBA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how good you've got to be to be
Speaker 3: in the NBA. That's what it's saying. You know, Tiger
Speaker 3: Campbell didn't make it in the NBA.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one of those.
Speaker 4: And I hated that guy. I thought he was the
Speaker 4: most effective player in the league.
Speaker 3: He was, he was as good as I hated him,
Speaker 3: as much as I hated Darren Collison.
Speaker 4: Remember Darren Collson. That guy would come in here and
Speaker 4: kill Arizona.
Speaker 3: And he was that kind of a guy because you
Speaker 3: looked at him and said, you can't be that good
Speaker 3: because you're five foot four and one hundred and twenty pounds,
Speaker 3: and yet you're that good.
Speaker 2: That's why everyone said the same thing about McConnell all
Speaker 2: these years.
Speaker 3: See, McConnell had had the body and the work ethic.
Speaker 3: And by the body, I mean he was big enough,
Speaker 3: strong enough, physical enough, tall enough, and then the work
Speaker 3: ethic to do whatever it takes for his Tiger Campbell.
Speaker 3: The guys that size aren't in the NBA unless they're
Speaker 3: extraordinarily talented, which he was very talented, but not extraordinarily talented.
Speaker 2: Okay, we gotta go, we do gotta go. Well, we
Speaker 2: got a minute. Okay, No, thanks great for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks coming out here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. I still got to buy your beer,
Speaker 3: So if you want to stick around, I'll buy your beer.
Speaker 3: I want to buy you a beer. I don't to
Speaker 3: buy your beer.
Speaker 4: We'll have fun.
Speaker 3: He's got to go do some other stuff. He's got
Speaker 3: to work, to do I do? You got to let
Speaker 3: me buy you a beer? All right, it's fun that
Speaker 3: Soul sports. We're going to be back here before the
Speaker 3: super Bowl that Thursday before the super Bowl. To go
Speaker 3: through that week with these guys, it's been a lot
Speaker 3: of fun to be here. Yeah, and we'll be back. Thanks,
Speaker 3: all right, thanks for being here.