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<v Speaker 1>Wigan are still top of the tree. The same cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be said of neighbours. Lee. The Giant season is like

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. Bradford gave Saint Helens a scare. York did

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<v Speaker 1>the same to a winning team. Warrington Wolves will be better,

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<v Speaker 1>it would seem. Welcome to the twelfth episode of Super

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<v Speaker 1>League three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top tier

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<v Speaker 1>of British rugby league and great poetry. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Addison, Esquire What's yours?

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<v Speaker 2>My name is John Davidson, the non Scottish Nontourette's one Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a coach in Australia, John a journo in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>Please read descriptions of previous pods and or the description

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<v Speaker 1>of this one to make our intro short of The

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<v Speaker 1>podcast being aired on the Ashes Rugby League Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>Coach Coach podcast platforms, as well as the Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>Coach YouTube too, so if you subscribe to those you

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<v Speaker 1>won't miss a thing, but would rather you move over

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<v Speaker 1>to Super League three sixty for this pod. Also, Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League dot Com are running this every Friday. I believe John,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Mask, Gord, Jason Costigan and the guys John's tweet

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<v Speaker 1>of the week, as adjudicated by me. You can get

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<v Speaker 1>John at Johnny D Davidson on x He has written,

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<v Speaker 1>quote Rugby league is a cruel mistress unquote on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you didn't see the post that my

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<v Speaker 2>missus did on Instagram or Facebook le which was during

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<v Speaker 2>the mainly game when Mainly came back and I got

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit excited and then yeah, we lost in

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<v Speaker 2>gold Point and.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you shout at the TV dere John.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, to be honest, I don't generally I've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of gone past that. But when we're at for a Neil,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, you know, first game of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>you're all full of optimism, Tommy Turbo's back, we're doing well,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it all goes to shit and we're getting flogged.

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<v Speaker 2>And then somehow we come back in and we tied

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<v Speaker 2>that right to death and then we're losing points. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, your your levels are like this.

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<v Speaker 1>For those listening, for those listening, he's doing a wave. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry watching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just it is a cruel mistress because you're

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<v Speaker 2>right the highs and those of your team don't you.

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<v Speaker 2>But look, it was a great contest. If you're a

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<v Speaker 2>camera fan, you you're very happy. If you're a mainly fan,

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<v Speaker 2>you you're a sad so so likely, but yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was entertaining, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League tweet of the Week. I've got to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I completely forgot to look for one. So I've now

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<v Speaker 1>done this. While you were talking then I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>to you, John So, a man by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Louis two seven double one ninety two, an hour ago

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<v Speaker 1>from this recording, has said of the Castleford coach Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Carr that he must have been a one season wonder

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<v Speaker 1>for FEV because he was a fantastic coach. Can't see

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<v Speaker 1>him lasting at CASS. I'm going to talk about cast

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<v Speaker 1>when we get to there. I've made some observations about them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you want to add anything there, John,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was at the addersfield Wholekur game was on the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same time as Leeds. I saw some clips of

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<v Speaker 2>c Those tries have got a hat trick. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but you can't really compare when he was

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<v Speaker 2>at feb and the money that I had in that

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<v Speaker 2>division compared to where is it cast and limitations I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's a fair comparison. It's also all

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<v Speaker 2>rounds in so yeah, to me, I think that's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll elaborate on that when we get to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Socials Popper Lee of the Week nada, zilch zero. Mate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a quiet week on socials in that regard

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny's job. You're concerned a little bit about red cards,

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<v Speaker 1>bad tackles effects of head milks. I'll let you elaborate

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<v Speaker 1>on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean I think it was just the

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure of if you saw it, Lee, but

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<v Speaker 2>at the it was that the paposhi. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how you pronounce, but the card against St. Helen's on

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<v Speaker 2>George Delaney. He comes in as with a group tackle,

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<v Speaker 2>shoulder to the head. Delaney's can cust and yeah it's

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<v Speaker 2>a red card. And I just I showed a quick

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<v Speaker 2>video of the clip on from TV and just when

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<v Speaker 2>that's an ugly one. But the amount of comments that

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<v Speaker 2>you get people is like, yep, definite red card to

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<v Speaker 2>the game's gone soft, nothing wrong with that, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like complete opposite ends of the spectrum. And it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me a lot of people or a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of us just don't know what is and isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>red card anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you blame the authorities for that or do

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<v Speaker 1>you blame people's perception for that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's probably a few ways, a few people

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<v Speaker 2>you can blame. But I think the part of me,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that people don't understand. And literally, just before

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<v Speaker 2>we were starting recording, and I was watching a BBC

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<v Speaker 2>documentary about concussion in rugby and it's done by rugby

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<v Speaker 2>union guy Ben Young's.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, they talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About Rob Burrow, and you know they talk about CT

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<v Speaker 2>and M and D in links with rugby, and I know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your own personal family can actually you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a link with M and D.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom would have been sixty eight today. She died

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago of it. So and I imagine she wasn't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, taking hit ups on she was just hitting me, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my dad before this, blittle man.

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<v Speaker 2>My point is, like, I know, the M and D

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<v Speaker 2>link is not being established by science, but CT and

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<v Speaker 2>early inside dementia has been by repeated brain injuries, contact

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<v Speaker 2>and contact, and we do need to make the game safer.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I know, you can't do that completely because rugby

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<v Speaker 2>of both codes, is a contact sport and that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But we do need to try and protect

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<v Speaker 2>our players as much as possible. And some people I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying what the Bradford Ford did was intentional or

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<v Speaker 2>mouth or anything like that, but it was shoulder too

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<v Speaker 2>head and it knocked the other player out. And you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to get you're and you're the coach, you can

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<v Speaker 2>explain this better. Maybe you've got to get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>technique down lower, don't you You need to you need

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<v Speaker 2>to coach your players, and you know, if it goes

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<v Speaker 2>wrong then people need to be penalized with a red card.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just before I go into that. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that my mum didn't beat me. Ever, just

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<v Speaker 1>just give me a slap around the chop sometimes, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>when it particularly when it came home pissed at age

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen after a day on the town.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were joking, but also probably that you

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<v Speaker 2>would have deserved it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, probably Look in terms of the high tackles,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in an area now, where anything around the melon

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<v Speaker 1>has to be some kind of consequence. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke in depth last week on the Loose Carry podcast

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<v Speaker 1>from Zero Tackle about the Stephen Crichton non punishment for

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in Vegas. I don't know if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>the Saint George player I forget his name, came. It

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<v Speaker 1>came out from his wing and actually slipped and he

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<v Speaker 1>was virtually horizontal. But Stephen Crichton actually connected with his

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<v Speaker 1>head and it was a swinging arm that connected with

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<v Speaker 1>his head. So a swinging arm to a head, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the grass or in ten foot in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>is a swinging arm to the head. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>where I think the game has got confused. And I

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<v Speaker 1>also linked it back to the incident where Reese Walsh

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<v Speaker 1>was slipping and Joseph Sualihi was tackling him and it

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<v Speaker 1>was forty and Reese Walsh was about forty five degrees

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<v Speaker 1>when he got hit. Basically, so, I think there's some

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<v Speaker 1>lack of knowledge in the refereeing realm and in officialdom

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to what actually happens in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the game has played us fast pace because they

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<v Speaker 1>make it faster, right, every rule change is to make

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<v Speaker 1>the game faster, never to slow it down, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>England where the ground is slippy. But also people don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand this. In Australia it can be slippy too because

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<v Speaker 1>of humidity, because of bouts of rain that kick in

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<v Speaker 1>in the summer, in particular in the in the autumn.

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<v Speaker 1>So so play a slip because they're moving at high

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<v Speaker 1>pace on very high quality field in Australia. So and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time they're being met by somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to tackle them hard. So I really like the

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<v Speaker 1>rugby union rule where they give them a card I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a short arm card or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>or something a lot and they actually send them off

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<v Speaker 1>for ten if this contact with the head, and that

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<v Speaker 1>then gives the people in the equivalent of the bunker

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes to decide the severity of of that incident

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<v Speaker 1>because because and the other thing we can do with

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<v Speaker 1>that too is we can actually send on an extra

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<v Speaker 1>interchange to cover for that player that's been simbinned in

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<v Speaker 1>case the decision is wrong one and that takes the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure off the ref because I think we want our

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<v Speaker 1>referee to interpret the lords of the game. What I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we want our referees to do is be

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrators of future medical issues. Right, So there's a line there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think anything near the head that gives a

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<v Speaker 1>referee the jurisdiction to be able to go, I'm sending

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<v Speaker 1>him away for ten but I'm not convinced. It's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not convinced. And then we could potentially bring on another

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<v Speaker 1>player to replace that player. And then if after two

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<v Speaker 1>minutes they decide it's a sending off a fence that

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<v Speaker 1>that extra player comes off, okay, that that could be

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<v Speaker 1>an option, or we don't use an extra player at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I think in more recent times, what

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<v Speaker 2>referees and I understand from their point of view is

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just put things on the report. You know, so

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<v Speaker 2>and so probably should be sent off, but I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>put on a report and let the judiciary sort it out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if the other team's lost a play because

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<v Speaker 2>of fail player or whatever, it doesn't help them, does it.

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<v Speaker 1>No? No? Yeah, So I really like that rule. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>rugby union tend to steal rules off us, and we

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<v Speaker 1>tend not to steal that much off them. At times,

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<v Speaker 1>we think we're we're better in that regard as rugby

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<v Speaker 1>league players as footballers, so I think we should we

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<v Speaker 1>should not be too proud and take that from them,

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<v Speaker 1>because because we can't take any risks from this, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's already people trying to sue the game, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>already people people taking steps, and honestly, if something wins

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<v Speaker 1>in England, it will ruin rugby league. The game will

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<v Speaker 1>be decrepit and there'll be nothing left. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>we need to be a bit careful in and around that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think any contact with the head, whether intentional or unintentional,

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<v Speaker 1>at least deserves a sin bin. And honestly, I've said

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<v Speaker 1>this numerous times already on this Super League three sixty

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts but also on my other podcasts. The era has

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<v Speaker 1>gone and it is and the coaches who are not

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<v Speaker 1>moving with these times are going to be left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't stay upright and try and catch and wrestle anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You can, but the margin ferrera gets really reduced because

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to end up around the head. At some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Coaches need to encourage their players to get lower and

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<v Speaker 1>other reason they need to do that is, you will

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<v Speaker 1>drive back momentum, or you'll at least stop momentum if

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<v Speaker 1>Because what's happened is over the years, because the game

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<v Speaker 1>has reacted to the symptoms of what coaches have been doing.

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<v Speaker 1>They've never gone to the cause. They've gone to the symptoms.

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<v Speaker 1>When twenty odd years ago they brought in the rule

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<v Speaker 1>had to get off, basically coaches started to decide, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to hold them up for longer. Once you're

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<v Speaker 1>holding them up for longer, that's influenced tackle techniques over

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<v Speaker 1>the years. That influence of tackling higher has ended up

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<v Speaker 1>with a few more high shots in places where it

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't happen, And there's also more room for chicken wings,

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<v Speaker 1>grapple tackles, and so many other things that we've never

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<v Speaker 1>league does is go for the symptoms, not the causes. So,

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<v Speaker 1>they will soon learn. It is that simple in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And people can cry that the game's gone soft. I

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<v Speaker 1>always say to those people, if you think it's gone soft,

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<v Speaker 1>why aren't you playing it? And you know, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>has gone a little bit soft. Maybe, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the world we're in now. Lee's Laugh This week. It

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<v Speaker 1>won't be obvious straight away why it's Lee's Laugh, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've brought in John Wilkin and his comments before and

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<v Speaker 1>after games because I look forward to them. I find

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<v Speaker 1>them refreshing, and with Carnie and Wilkin, I think we've

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<v Speaker 1>got two of the best in spot. Quite frankly, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're brilliant before and after games. And the reason

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<v Speaker 1>I've put it in Lee's Laugh is it's refreshing. But

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<v Speaker 1>also I laugh at the thought of the clubs just going,

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<v Speaker 1>oh shit, what's John Wilkin gonna say and Brian Carney

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<v Speaker 1>going to say this week? And I think it's brilliant,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do. There's none of this sick of fancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't watch it every week because I simply can't

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<v Speaker 1>because of the time differences, but I'm sure there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of you know, nice stuff said to keep

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<v Speaker 1>favor with some people. I'm sure there is, but the

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<v Speaker 1>vast majority of what they say is raw and honest

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<v Speaker 1>and it's absolutely brilliant. So hats off to John Wilkin

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<v Speaker 1>and Brian Carney, but the Lees laugh. The component of

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<v Speaker 1>that is how the clubs are going, oh no, what

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<v Speaker 1>are they going to say now? And how they react

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<v Speaker 1>and Saint Helen's last week was a perfect example of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to comment or just look at me?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, yeah, no, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I rarely do, but I agree with pretty much everything

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<v Speaker 2>you've said early, Thank you always.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also put that in media Watch. Right, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some news items before we get into game reviews

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<v Speaker 1>and people's questions. And we've also been inspired to start

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<v Speaker 1>a poetry competition. John, We've had an entry. Somebody's jealous

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<v Speaker 1>of my poetry skills, so we've got a poetry addition

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<v Speaker 1>that I will bring in soon. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>let everyone know know I've been drinking Yorkshire tea this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>not coffee. I had one coffee and then I've had

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire tea. The reason being, did you know instant coffee

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<v Speaker 1>has a number on no right. I've only been drinking

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<v Speaker 1>coffee for approximately thirty five years, thirty three, thirty two years,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, and I didn't know it had a

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<v Speaker 1>number on. And accidentally, about three months ago, I bought

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<v Speaker 1>a jar of something that I like the look of

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<v Speaker 1>and it was number fourteen, which basically is weapons grade,

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear level caffeine. And when I was putting my normal

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<v Speaker 1>dollops of spoons of coffee in, I was fully awake,

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<v Speaker 1>training hard and everything else. But come two o'clock, three

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the afternoon, I felt I was having some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stroke or something. Everything was tightening open, and

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<v Speaker 1>my sleep has been affected. Anyway, remembered the next month

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<v Speaker 1>to get a different coffee, a bit lower grade, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I've forgotten this month and I've ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>another high level nuclear grade coffee. So I've now had

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<v Speaker 1>to adjust it to one coffee and one tea.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're living a great coffee nation and you drink,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some there's some very instant, there's some. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>very good instant coffees now because they've responded to what's

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<v Speaker 1>been going on on the high street. And yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>coffee in question is Victoria and even if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at my Kona and things like that, they're making so

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<v Speaker 1>many different blends now it's actually not bad mate. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no cafes open when I try and record with you

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<v Speaker 1>because you get me up at daft o'clock anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's all right for you. It's all right for you

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there drinking costa coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>You need, you need an expressed over shame like me

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<v Speaker 2>with your.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, truly fair enough news items. The first thing you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about was the NRL and Super League talks.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are they at? Mate?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah, I mean there's been uh a lot of talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we had a few questions about that. Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>we get a piece in the I paper yesterday. I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to a lot of different people in Australia and

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<v Speaker 2>New Zella. It's a very fluid situation. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting thing is that there's been no terms or

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<v Speaker 2>conditions set by the NRL, which after a year of

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<v Speaker 2>this is a bit mad to me, apart from the

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<v Speaker 2>public time of complete control and you know it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be done in three weeks for three months. Sorry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot. I think there's it's a really nuanced situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of different ways to look

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<v Speaker 2>at this. You know, is Peter of Landy's is he

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<v Speaker 2>trying to intimidate super League? Is he trying to talk

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<v Speaker 2>it down to get a better deal. Is he that bothered?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they've got they've got their own Perth, they

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<v Speaker 2>own P and G, so they've got to run those clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to do Las Vegas again next year. Haven't

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<v Speaker 2>got enough manpower. There's there's just really a lot to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But in saying all that, I think there is more

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<v Speaker 2>an appetite from the super League side for an NRL

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<v Speaker 2>deal then there was twelve months ago. That doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>mean a deal will be done because we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's what's being proposed, but yeah, it is a really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting time and I think, as I wrote in the article,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been some you know, mentions from private equity for

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<v Speaker 2>super League. But and super League needs money, but it

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<v Speaker 2>also needs expertise and the only sort of organization to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that does that both is the NRL because

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<v Speaker 2>they have a history of growing rugby league and marketing

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<v Speaker 2>rugby league and you know, being able to secure better

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<v Speaker 2>TV deals so yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think Peter Valandi's and the NRL

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<v Speaker 1>would have forgotten to bring those terms and conditions sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're too busy to go all, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we've just forgotten. It must be it must be a play,

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<v Speaker 1>it must be a ploy to get some kind of response.

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<v Speaker 1>We have had some questions and maybe you got some

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<v Speaker 1>in the last hour because you sent a thing. Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Williams on x AS does to role play John, So

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<v Speaker 1>get your costume ready.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say that you bringing the latex underwear,

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<v Speaker 2>am I?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to address as a nurse roleplay your Vita

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<v Speaker 1>Polandi's a chic with billions, said Mark, how would you

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<v Speaker 1>structure Super League and Championship twenty twenty seven? Free pass, promote,

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<v Speaker 1>relegate restructure, go wild and no fan base can be offended.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only a personal opinion. I would go to. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a I'm a rugby league development man by nature in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of I believe in long term development of players.

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<v Speaker 1>I want the England or Great Britain team to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better, So I think we need to increase

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<v Speaker 1>the intensity of the Super League competition. So we either

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<v Speaker 1>need to make a ten team competition or we have

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<v Speaker 1>have to have two conferences. We need we need to

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<v Speaker 1>make the games tougher, so we need to think about

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<v Speaker 1>what that looks like and what also marry that up

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<v Speaker 1>with what crowds will be etc. We need to reduce

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of games that English players play because that's

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<v Speaker 1>not helping them when it comes to postseason events, and

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<v Speaker 1>the World Cup will expose that. I feel this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not getting proper preseasons either. So whereas in

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<v Speaker 1>the NRL they probably do too much, in England, they're

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<v Speaker 1>probably doing too little and that's why so many players

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<v Speaker 1>are breaking down. So I think we need to marry

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<v Speaker 1>that up now. If I was the Shekh, I would

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<v Speaker 1>also do something in the middle of the year that

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<v Speaker 1>is similar to Australia's origin. What that looks like, what

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like, whether it's Lancashire Yorkshire again or England

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<v Speaker 1>versus someone or whatever, and I'd mark it the absolute

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of it. And what I would say to

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<v Speaker 1>the clubs is we're going to make your money back

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<v Speaker 1>off this. Okay, so what you're losing in fixtures, you're

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<v Speaker 1>making on this. Maybe it's not maybe it's not anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Maybe it's a nine circuit, maybe it's seventh circuit.

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<v Speaker 1>But do something that's a circuit breaker, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of Big Bash origin anything like that where people

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<v Speaker 1>can get a break from their week to week reality.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Rugby League's not bad at doing magic

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<v Speaker 1>weekends and things like that, but just something in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the season that becomes a show piece event

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<v Speaker 1>in that regard. But we've got to reduce the games

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<v Speaker 1>that our players are playing now in terms of the Championship,

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<v Speaker 1>there's too many clubs folding. Basically, I had a look.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody else interviewed me for something the other day and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a bit of a look. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>something like nine clubs that have folded in the last

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<v Speaker 1>five years, and some of them have been come back

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<v Speaker 1>to life again, and it's something like eight or nine

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<v Speaker 1>seven eight nine, something like that. And so if it

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<v Speaker 1>was a business, you'd start to take drastic action. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about the Championship, well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of living has gone up, so fans are

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<v Speaker 1>less likely to find the pounds and pence to get

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<v Speaker 1>to games. It's harder for them to do. Players have

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<v Speaker 1>probably been demanding more money because they have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>their mortgage and their bills, and some clubs are obviously

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<v Speaker 1>paying too much and not earning enough. Also because of

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<v Speaker 1>the expansion of the game over the years. I know

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<v Speaker 1>some of those expansion clubs have withered on the vine.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's actually longer journeys now than they used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, rugby league used to be a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of Yorkshire and a bit of Lancashire, and now it's

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<v Speaker 1>now you can end up anywhere, so so I think

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<v Speaker 1>we might need to regionalize that a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>reduce some of the costs for the teams. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to use the horrible term because they've never really

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<v Speaker 1>done this in the Championship, I don't think. But some

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<v Speaker 1>loop fixtures get some looke fitishes going.

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<v Speaker 2>That have I mean effectively merging league went into the

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<v Speaker 2>Championship this year and I do have regions, so they

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<v Speaker 2>are playing a kind of regional drawing that not everyone

420
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<v Speaker 2>plays each other right amount of time, and they're playing

421
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<v Speaker 2>teams that depending on table structure, so they are they

422
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<v Speaker 2>have moved to that, but I think you're right. I

423
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<v Speaker 2>think they've probably moved to that far too late and

424
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<v Speaker 2>the original expansion when they brought in a Gloucester and

425
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<v Speaker 2>Oxford and these sort of clubs was twenty fourteen, twenty

426
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<v Speaker 2>fifteen when they got the forty million a year TV deal.

427
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<v Speaker 2>As you said, rightly saidly most of those have gone bust.

428
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<v Speaker 2>So I think that strategy just sort of plunking in

429
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<v Speaker 2>clubs new clubs and not as has failed. It's not

430
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<v Speaker 2>really been thought out expansion or supported.

431
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<v Speaker 1>And I think the problem with the current championship is

432
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<v Speaker 1>unless people are ready to look into it further, you

433
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<v Speaker 1>don't know it's regionalized. You just look at the long season.

434
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<v Speaker 1>It just looks like a hell of a long season

435
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<v Speaker 1>because it's a long season for fans too. It's a

436
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<v Speaker 1>lot of money for fans.

437
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<v Speaker 2>It starts in January and ends in October.

438
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty nine. Yeah, yeah, Look.

439
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I think when we're talking about the lower divisions, the

440
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<v Speaker 2>simple fact is there's really hardly any media coverage, there's

441
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<v Speaker 2>no TV coverage, and the fan bases are very small.

442
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.880
<v Speaker 2>So we've got a bit of a middle ground. That

443
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<v Speaker 2>super League's probably not a lead enough compared with the Championship,

444
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<v Speaker 2>and there's not enough of a gap when you know

445
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<v Speaker 2>the Maitland pumpkin pickers don't have as much sale or

446
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<v Speaker 2>braining as the Bristo Broncos, but in England there seems

447
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<v Speaker 2>to be a bit more of a similar footing, which

448
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<v Speaker 2>probably doesn't help either.

449
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<v Speaker 1>Now, one other thing i'd consider, and I've not cost

450
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<v Speaker 1>thought this out or anything like that, but would have

451
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<v Speaker 1>an English franchise in the NRL and buy an English

452
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<v Speaker 1>franchise in the NRL. I think the obvious choice would

453
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<v Speaker 1>be Perth, so I wouldn't get some kind of investment

454
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<v Speaker 1>in there somehow, And this would probably happen from an

455
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<v Speaker 1>NRL perspective if they come in and put some cash in,

456
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<v Speaker 1>even though I'm the shake and I would make Perth predominantly,

457
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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't have to be every single player, but

458
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<v Speaker 1>I'd make it predominantly players who qualify for England, whether

459
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<v Speaker 1>it be through parents or grandparents. So obviously somebody like

460
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<v Speaker 1>Victor Radley, somebody like what was the fullback time I've

461
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<v Speaker 1>just had no, Yeah, the one who played this year

462
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<v Speaker 1>for England. I've had a brain. J Brimson. They could

463
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<v Speaker 1>be they could be incentivized to play for that club.

464
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<v Speaker 1>It might be P and G P and G might

465
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<v Speaker 1>be the team, you know, because there is a thought

466
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<v Speaker 1>in Australia that P and G are going to struggle,

467
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<v Speaker 1>Perth might struggle, So this could be a way of

468
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<v Speaker 1>influencing that. Yes, that would we can super leagal little bit?

469
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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean perose didn't you see males comments

470
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<v Speaker 2>you know we're gonna we might We're going to try

471
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<v Speaker 2>and win the company our first year at Perth.

472
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<v Speaker 1>I think he must have been eating cakes in Amsterdam.

473
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<v Speaker 1>You you did a piece on the Las Vegas effect

474
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<v Speaker 1>on teams, although it didn't seem to affect Leeds and

475
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<v Speaker 1>yeah this week.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I wouldn't say it didn't affect whole

477
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<v Speaker 2>car because they were playing the worst team in the camp,

478
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 2>but whole our reaction was very positive. You know, they

479
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>played very well. They weren't perfect, but you could see

480
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<v Speaker 2>the effort and enthusiasm for I think the article I

481
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<v Speaker 2>wrote was just you know, having a look and look

482
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.279
<v Speaker 2>you could say Canberra last year of the anomaly because

483
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 2>they finished minor premaries and they were great, but they

484
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>did go out in the Semis back to back and

485
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 2>then you could say they were they were robbed because

486
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 2>rus Wols should have been simpinned. But look, no one

487
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<v Speaker 2>who's played in Vegas the following year has managed to

488
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<v Speaker 2>win a Grand Final afterwards, and having gone to Vegas

489
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 2>last year not got a lot of sleep, jet lag,

490
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. I think it has an impact. Now, I

491
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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it has an impact enough that it

492
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<v Speaker 2>will affect a club from winning a premiership. But it's

493
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<v Speaker 2>just an interesting thing that I thought up. I thought,

494
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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I heard the sample size a small

495
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<v Speaker 2>We've any got?

496
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<v Speaker 1>No, it isn't. It isn't, And I stick up for

497
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<v Speaker 1>on it.

498
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<v Speaker 2>You did, Yeah, yeah, well I had. I had Josh.

499
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who Josh is, but some lovely trilling

500
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<v Speaker 2>by Josh. He didn't even read the article, but he

501
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<v Speaker 2>was like, so thanks for that, Josh. I appreciate it.

502
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<v Speaker 1>A small sample size, isn't thirty three percent? Tell tell

503
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 1>me any tell me any research where they sampled thirty

504
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<v Speaker 1>three percent of the sample in anything. We're now going

505
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 1>to see how humans react to the injection of this vaccine.

506
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.519
<v Speaker 1>We're now going to sample thirty three percent of the earth.

507
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<v Speaker 1>Get stuff, mate. It was it was a fine sample.

508
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.519
<v Speaker 1>That's you know. It's about thirty three of the top

509
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 1>flight professional clubs in the world. They've tried this, so

510
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<v Speaker 1>I stuck up for you, John. Did you get any

511
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<v Speaker 1>more questions on X by the way, maybe just have

512
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<v Speaker 1>a look at those see if we've got them in.

513
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got a load of Mike Davies. Do you

514
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<v Speaker 2>think the RFL has sold out the championship camp? For

515
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 2>the past few seasons, it's uguly been the most competitive

516
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 2>league in the sport, but merging the two leagues into

517
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.400
<v Speaker 2>one division when all the teams playing each other, has

518
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.160
<v Speaker 2>turned into a bit of a dog's dinner. I'll learn

519
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>to this one firstly, and if you want to have

520
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>a buy it afternoon. But I don't think the rfls

521
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 2>sold out a championship comp. I don't think there's ever

522
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 2>really been a lot of investment or marketing push for

523
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the championship. Like I know it had that Premier Sports

524
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 2>TV deal a while ago which was popular, but it

525
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>may be quite competitive. Previously, I mean writing about Super

526
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>leigu y because the fixtures clash and there's no TV covers,

527
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 2>you can't really run for it closely, either cover one

528
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>or the other. So look, I think the Championship certainly

529
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 2>has its place, but I think it should be. Its

530
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 2>place should be as a feeder league to Super League.

531
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<v Speaker 2>That's my personal opinion.

532
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I think what the problem with this league structure is

533
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 1>is if your team's losing, it's a long year ahead

534
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 1>till September, especially when you started half an hour after Christmas.

535
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>The other problem, John is I think the most market

536
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>ball thing in the Championship right now is London Broncos,

537
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and they're obviously putting their games on YouTube. The problem

538
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>is some of those fixtures have been absolute floggings because

539
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>of the opposition that they're playing.

540
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.440
<v Speaker 2>That was going to be my point. I think the

541
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.359
<v Speaker 2>idea to merge the two visions had merit. But the

542
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>problem is you've got London who might be spending one

543
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.039
<v Speaker 2>point seven million on the cap and you've got North

544
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Wales who might be spending one hundred and fifty grand

545
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know there's allegations that they're paying their players

546
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 2>laid again, So how do you work that out. You've

547
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>got one full on team and you know people who

548
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.079
<v Speaker 2>are training two nights a week. You're going to get

549
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>massive flogging. So is that competitive? No? But you don't

550
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 2>get that in Super League because everyone's fall team. You

551
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 2>do get some floggings, but you don't get you don't

552
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>get eighty two nil. And in the NRL, I know

553
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 2>we had a we had an eighty odd school last year,

554
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>but you generally don't get that, do yet? So yeah,

555
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I think we've kind of answered that one. There's a

556
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.720
<v Speaker 2>couple or few other questions on from Kevin Byrne. They

557
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>are for a veinings for Super League? Will we stick

558
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.160
<v Speaker 2>or twist? I think we've already talked about that.

559
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Is it private investment offers for Super League? You've got

560
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 1>that as a as a Yeah.

561
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Look, there's been some interest, there's been reported in the Guardian,

562
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.319
<v Speaker 2>there's been some interest from line Cap Global and from

563
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Oakwell Sports. But are there investment ones that have broken out? Ones?

564
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 2>An investment for But anyone who's seen what private equity

565
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>investment's done with rugby union, I think you'd be very

566
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>reticent or very careful, And people have spoken in RFL.

567
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>We're not really sure if it they're realistic offers because

568
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 2>obviously private equity would want to return on their investment,

569
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 2>they'd want to make a profit, and I don't think

570
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>in rugby lea you'd guaranteed that. So yeah, there is

571
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>some speculation where some people want to you know, push

572
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 2>off the RFL, sorry, the NRL, to say, look, we've

573
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>got this private equity investment coming in, so we don't

574
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>need the NRL. But how realistic is that investment offer?

575
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

576
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it seems highly questionable.

577
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Shall we say anything else?

578
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've got one from Mike Smithhurst. Can you highlight

579
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>the shock and coverage of the game and the red

580
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 2>button or through the app? Also the clock situation, especially

581
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.559
<v Speaker 2>after the Saints match, and the continuing community communication problems

582
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>for the officials.

583
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I think you spoke about that last week about the

584
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.359
<v Speaker 1>TV coverage that well, the.

585
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Clock situation, and I think the communication problems, at least

586
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the communication problems with the officials. I believe he's an

587
00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>RFL issue. The clock situation, I'm not sure. The Look,

588
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of the game starts ten minutes,

589
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>the coverage stat ten minutes before the game. You have

590
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 2>nothing at half time. But if we're having every game

591
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>on TV live, this is what we're going to put

592
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 2>up with because.

593
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, beggars can't be choosers, which is exactly

594
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>what I said last week.

595
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, So whether we go back to having two games

596
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 2>a week or three games a week full coverage, or

597
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>we have three games a week Paul red Button and

598
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>we have three good coverage.

599
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean rugby league is also at the pointy end

600
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 1>of what has been changing in the world quite significantly

601
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 1>over the last fifteen years. Anything legacy media orientated is

602
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 1>going downhill at a rapid rate, isn't it. There's less staff,

603
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 1>there's less budget, there's less advertising spent on legacy media.

604
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 1>We have had to move, whether we want to or not,

605
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>into a more social media savy world. So Sky Sports

606
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 1>is legacy media. It was around thirty od ago, so

607
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>it's a legacy it's a legacy item. And therefore some

608
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 1>of their production staff probably aren't there anymore on rugby

609
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.079
<v Speaker 1>league at least, and they probably have to prioritize their

610
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.799
<v Speaker 1>football output and some of the other sports, and there

611
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>probably just isn't the manpower. And that's also probably why

612
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.559
<v Speaker 1>the TV deal has gone down over the years, because

613
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>there's probably less money coming into the joint so and

614
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>that's probably why it was sold a few years ago

615
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and what not.

616
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's less money for the TV deal

617
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>because the games not growing in popularity, or in media

618
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:37.519
<v Speaker 2>coverage is actually shrunk, and there are other sports like

619
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>darts and women's football that are taking common ches. They're

620
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 2>getting big ratings.

621
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Sky are going where the fish is biting quite frankly,

622
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and the's not biting as much in rugby league.

623
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>And there's not another broadcaster who's prepared to whacking a

624
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of money. So that's the only way to count

625
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that has become bigger and more.

626
00:33:54.839 --> 00:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Popular, Shake Addison, Peter Landers.

627
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 2>There's a few more questions, James Harvey think any of

628
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the newly promoted sides will strengthen further. That's a tough one, James. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think York and to loose obviously getting half the

630
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>distribution and and to lose having to pay the travel costs.

631
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's any money for their Bradford possibly,

632
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.079
<v Speaker 2>but again I think all of those clubs you know

633
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>are on fairly tight budgets. They don't have well, you know,

634
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>well off owners, so I think any recruit would be limited.

635
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<v Speaker 2>Nick Allen, this is a tough one. Of the three

636
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<v Speaker 2>clubs that you've come up, who has impressed you the

637
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>most thus far? I think all three of them have

638
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>impressed me. Bradford really good against the Helens. Look to Loose,

639
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:47.519
<v Speaker 2>how to dig against Wigan obviously got beat and York

640
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 2>pushed Warrington all the way. I think probably the one

641
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>for me is York because to Loose were full time

642
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 2>last year. You know, they kind of got the advantage

643
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>of a club traveling to them and had that experience

644
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>in Super League a couple of years ago. Bradford obviously

645
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>picked up a lot of Salford players, the good rep

646
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>as a coach and obviously historically have got that Super

647
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.760
<v Speaker 2>League link and you know, a big fan base. But

648
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>York probably are the ones who've impressed me the most.

649
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>But they've all done well. And then another one from

650
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Joe Kieran which coaches are already under pressure, will luke

651
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Rooms and keep his job after the dreadful start to

652
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 2>the season. What do you think? Right?

653
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.320
<v Speaker 1>So let's deal with the promoted teams first, Simon paul

654
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.360
<v Speaker 1>on x had is it safe to say going to

655
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 1>fourteen teams and success as a massive rugby fan after

656
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a poor Super League last season? I believe it has.

657
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I still think it's too early to tell right now.

658
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Right now it's fine, but to Loser already starting to

659
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>find a bit of reality Bradford. Bradford have a lot

660
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>more history to talk about and think about as players.

661
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>So for example, you know, going to Saint Helens, they

662
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 1>can One game that springs to mind is the Wide

663
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<v Speaker 1>to West game, you know, the that that was at

664
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<v Speaker 1>the height of Bullmania. So there's more history in Super League.

665
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 1>To count On York, it's their first every year in

666
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Super League. They're not being in the top flight for

667
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>for forty years, so there's a lot of excitement there

668
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>to lose. I've already had a dip come back out again,

669
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>so they're in a little bit of a different a

670
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 1>different phase. So they're finding it a little bit tough

671
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 1>for the last through a few weeks. I still think

672
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.760
<v Speaker 1>York and Bradford are living a little bit on adrenaline

673
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that will only last so long. Go on, what was

674
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<v Speaker 1>the next question?

675
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Which coaches are already under pressure? Will Luke Robinson keep

676
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>his job after the dreadful start to the season. Look,

677
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it's very early. I think obviously Haddersfield a

678
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 2>bottom and I had a terrible year last year. I

679
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>think I was at Hallisville again today in Luke Robinson

680
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 2>said they've got fourteen of the what thirty man's squad injured. Yeah,

681
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>picked up three or four more injuries today. It's the

682
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.679
<v Speaker 2>worth injuries crisis he's ever seen at a club, and

683
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.679
<v Speaker 2>he's playing and coaching career. I think you've got to

684
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<v Speaker 2>give him some time with that.

685
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Well you know what, though, John, it all depends on

686
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>what they did in pre season. So people always when

687
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>they assess injuries, coaches will always say, for us, we've

688
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>got injuries. It's also integral that the coach manages training

689
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 1>loads with his staff to make sure that they are

690
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 1>playing in a situation where they are less likely to

691
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.239
<v Speaker 1>get injured, so they're training methods and whatnot, and then

692
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.719
<v Speaker 1>also that they're also prepared. It's a very tough job.

693
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it is, but that's why they are

694
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<v Speaker 1>paid to be the head coach. Now, I'm going to

695
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<v Speaker 1>give you an example, a very very very relevant example

696
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to to tell you what can happen. When I was

697
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 1>working in Super League. I won't give the team and

698
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I won't give the the year or anything like that,

699
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>but I was working in Super League and in one

700
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>season the club I was working out had a very

701
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:24.840
<v Speaker 1>very very good year and they had no next to

702
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>no soft tissue injuries. The year after they changed the

703
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 1>condition the strength and conditioner, the one that they had

704
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.760
<v Speaker 1>had based effectively retired or moved back to Australia. They

705
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>changed the strength and conditioner and he was regarded as younger,

706
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>more up to date, et cetera, et cetera. But this

707
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.400
<v Speaker 1>conditioner wanted the players to start doing deep, heavy squats

708
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>in the gym and also a few other things in

709
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.159
<v Speaker 1>the gym. All of a sudden, this club in the

710
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>second season started having breakouts of hamstring injuries and certain

711
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>other soft tissue injuries that they didn't have before. So

712
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>this is how delicate the balance is. And this all

713
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.119
<v Speaker 1>comes back to the head coach. The head coach is

714
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the one responsible for all this. Now there's injuries popping

715
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 1>up all over Super League at the moment, right, and

716
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>so the way to look at this is it might

717
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.320
<v Speaker 1>be unavoidable. But the ratio and the amount of injuries

718
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>is the think, Okay, if you put somebody unprepared into battle,

719
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>they're more likely to get injured. If you put somebody

720
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 1>over prepared for battle, they're more likely to get injured.

721
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 1>If you put them in in peak condition, they're less

722
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>likely to get injured and it has to take something

723
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.280
<v Speaker 1>else to knock them off. So there is some responsibility

724
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>on the coaching staff there also. I mean, I'll talk

725
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 1>about it a little bit more in the match reviews.

726
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.599
<v Speaker 1>They are such a poorly coached defensive side. I'm so sorry.

727
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>They are like five year olds on the edges. It's

728
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>really bad.

729
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just to jump back what you said, I did

730
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<v Speaker 2>actually ask Luke about you know, have you looked at

731
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<v Speaker 2>you know, training loads and you know methods, and he said, yes,

732
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.239
<v Speaker 2>they've they've swapped from training on forward you back to

733
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<v Speaker 2>grass And with some of those I agree with what

734
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<v Speaker 2>you said. But I think with some of those, like

735
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>today George Flanagan Jr. He jumps up high for a ball,

736
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.280
<v Speaker 2>he lands very awkwardly, arguably maybe even gets hit in

737
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<v Speaker 2>the air. That's where his injuries come from.

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<v Speaker 1>John, Even with that right, I'll stop you right there,

739
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<v Speaker 1>Sorry to interrupt. If your body is more likely to

740
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 1>get injured because you haven't done things right, be enough, sleep,

741
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>not the right diet, et cetera, et cetera. The person

742
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 1>who's who is ready and who is in the right

743
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of condition. He jumps up for that ball, falls

744
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a bit awkwardly whatever it was my twister ankle a

745
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit, shake it off, get off. But there's still

746
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.400
<v Speaker 1>there is, still there is absolutely till something the coaching staff.

747
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean you you you what you what you often

748
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>defer to me when it comes to coaching things. Yeah,

749
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you there is. There is definitely a correlation

750
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>between what they are doing.

751
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not I'm not disagreeingly, I'm just saying

752
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.519
<v Speaker 2>I think for some of those injuries many English today,

753
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 2>he gets a cannonball.

754
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>To the knee, you know, that's to avoid is that

755
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:23.679
<v Speaker 1>role for.

756
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.000
<v Speaker 2>The I think that was the last week concussion head

757
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>knock in the game, you know. I think I think

758
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 2>there can be perhaps some down to training as that's

759
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the thing. But look, I think the issue for Harriswood

760
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 2>is not this. This is not the first year has happened.

761
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.480
<v Speaker 2>It has happened for a few years.

762
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<v Speaker 1>So also also what they allow. So are there play

763
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 1>are what are their players doing after games? How are

764
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>they recovering?

765
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.280
<v Speaker 2>We don't know, right.

766
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's the culture at Huddersfield Giants? Right? We don't know?

767
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, we do know the culture apart from your famous

768
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>giants on leash, the culture has not been a winning

769
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 2>culture since what twenty thirteen, so that's actually well, I

770
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 2>think it was twenty it was twenty twenty two. I

771
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 2>think they did finish third under well, they made the

772
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Challenge Cup one under in Watson, but you know they

773
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 2>haven't had a good season results wise for a long

774
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 2>long time.

775
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, any more questions?

776
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 2>We do have a couple more, I mean, Phil Higgins,

777
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<v Speaker 2>any thoughts on why there are so many injuries soil

778
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>in the season. Too many games? We've covered that one

779
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>ab seeing our refs too busy focusing on what happens

780
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>in the tackle. Teams are able to be off side

781
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty much every set and get away with a question mark. Yes,

782
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I agree that. I agree with that. Also, who would

783
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<v Speaker 2>be blame at shocks only serving eight minutes for a yellow? Also?

784
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<v Speaker 2>Do hip drops not exist anymore since Morganoles has left?

785
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I think he's referring to the one on Jacob Host

786
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.719
<v Speaker 2>which broke his leg in the game against Bradford. I

787
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>think hip drops sometimes, I don't know about Ulie. I

788
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 2>find them hard. Had to pick out what is and

789
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 2>isn't because sometimes they're very blatantly obvious, and the players

790
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 2>like drops their weight. But other times, anyone who's actually

791
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, has made a few tackles in their life,

792
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 2>bodies kind of get tangled up, don't they.

793
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 1>You you know, Yeah, And a lot of them look

794
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.199
<v Speaker 1>like passive tackles to me. And because they go for

795
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the symptoms and not the cause, players are wired now

796
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to try and stop the opposition player getting down to

797
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.159
<v Speaker 1>play the ball quickly. So everybody who's been around the

798
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 1>game for a long time, he says, we used to

799
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 1>get rewarded for tackling around the legs. Now you don't

800
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 1>you tackle around the legs, draft saying, get off. So

801
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:44.079
<v Speaker 1>we have to go higher. So we go higher, and

802
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, if anybody ends up going

803
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 1>a bit lower because they've got the feet in the

804
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>wrong place when they're approaching, or somebody step them, all

805
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, they're trying to do a passive tackle,

806
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 1>but they think, oh no, we've got to keep them up,

807
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>so they end up twisting them in some kind or

808
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 1>somebody else comes in and offer something else. It's because

809
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.800
<v Speaker 1>we attack the symptoms, not the causes. So the hip

810
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 1>drop is another thing that's coming to the to the

811
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<v Speaker 1>rugby league.

812
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Lexicon I can't remember hip trubs ten years ago a

813
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 2>little now.

814
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember him two years ago.

815
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well maybe two years yeah, yeah.

816
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Keep sending us questions guys at Johnny D. Davidson on

817
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 1>X I'll speak for him and I'm Rugby League Coach

818
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>on Socials and Rugby League Coach dot com to tell

819
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you if there's any more, John will talk about him

820
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>at the end because I've still got more questions at

821
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the end. We should have Maybe we should just do

822
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<v Speaker 1>a podcast, Questions Questions podcast every week. Mark Percival, is

823
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.880
<v Speaker 1>he going? Is he staying the class? Should I stay?

824
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Should I go?

825
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 2>No? He has there's been a big, big backflip it.

826
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 2>So he's resigned on a one year deal.

827
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<v Speaker 1>What's going on there at that club? Why has that happened?

828
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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot going on there? League?

829
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 1>What's going on there? John?

830
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know legally what I can can't say without

831
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 2>getting sued, But I mean, I think it was reported

832
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 2>he'd had a falling out with Saint Helens and was

833
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.800
<v Speaker 2>looking for an exit. You know, there's been allegations that

834
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<v Speaker 2>he was offered a contract which he agreed to a

835
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.159
<v Speaker 2>two year deal, which was then pulled. Now I don't

836
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<v Speaker 2>know whether that was a handshake or what, but I

837
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 2>think St Helens have denied that, but that's been reported

838
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and lots of sources have told me about that, and

839
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.480
<v Speaker 2>which obviously Percival was very upset about. He was looking

840
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to leave. I think Catalan's and Wakefield and Huddesfield were

841
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.039
<v Speaker 2>interested and he was close to getting a deal with Hardestfield.

842
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Now my understanding is that there was some lawyers involved

843
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 2>over this situation and Saint Helens have done a major

844
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.119
<v Speaker 2>backflip and managed to secure him in a one year deal,

845
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 2>which is he's actually off going to be earning more

846
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:57.400
<v Speaker 2>money how the contract was. So it's quite bizarre, but yeah,

847
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 2>it's it's there's been a very very big bad and

848
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 2>obviously Mike Rush was the CEO involved in the personal

849
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>negotiations previously. He's left the club now so it's Aimy

850
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>is doing the negotiations. You can read into this a

851
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of ways, but as I said, I'll be somewhat

852
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 2>careful of what I can say with that big suit.

853
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>In terms of should I stay or should I go.

854
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Halifax were gone and now they're back.

855
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>They are back, and it's good. Obviously you know that

856
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the club has been resurrected. I think their first game

857
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 2>will be against London. I think interesting for me Lee

858
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 2>is and I don't know a huge amount amount of

859
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Halifax history, but I know they've got a long, long history.

860
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 2>But they produce a lot of players, like a lot

861
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 2>of players. And I'm talking about rugby league town. It

862
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.920
<v Speaker 2>is a Rogan. They punch above their way. You know.

863
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:56.840
<v Speaker 2>You look at Camera Morgan Smithy's Manna Nicosina from Halifax

864
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>that to lose Tyler Dupre, Jake Connor is from Halifax.

865
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.519
<v Speaker 2>There's other ones that don't come to mind, but Halifax.

866
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 2>The thing is interesting. All those players, they didn't come

867
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.079
<v Speaker 2>through the Halifax Panthers system. I don't think they came through.

868
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I think along and came through Siddel although were picked

869
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 2>up in terms of the two camera boys came through

870
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Wigan's system. Jake Connor came through Hudderfield system. Dupre was

871
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.760
<v Speaker 2>with Leeds and then went to I think it was

872
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Salford and then onto Wigan.

873
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 1>You know.

874
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's really interesting, like what is the kind of

875
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>role for Halifax Panthers in that town. In fact, when

876
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.960
<v Speaker 2>there's the amateur clubs who are doing some great development work. Yeah,

877
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that they play a role in the pathway,

878
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:45.719
<v Speaker 2>but I.

879
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Mean in terms of Halifax in the eighties, who won

880
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.360
<v Speaker 1>a league and a Cup, I.

881
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Was gonna say, yeah, that was Christian bull Dogs.

882
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 1>And then and then they were in the first throws

883
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>of Super League and there were the team that finished

884
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>sort of eighth and ninth most years, and then one

885
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 1>year I think it was ninety eight, they finished third,

886
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and then I think it was two thousand and two

887
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>was there last year in Super League and then they

888
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.039
<v Speaker 1>dropped out so well in two thousand and three.

889
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the when they went bust in nine to

890
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.320
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven, and I think they see at the time

891
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>was Nigel Woodley.

892
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 1>So look, I think to put it into context for

893
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>modern fans, this would be like Wakefield going belly up

894
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:36.360
<v Speaker 1>in thirty years because of the eighth and ninth sort

895
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>of finishes, you know, like the.

896
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, well. But my point is though, like obviously,

897
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, we don't want to see any clubs go under,

898
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:48.119
<v Speaker 2>but they're producing talent that isn't going to them. It's

899
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of an interestingly how this happens elsewhere. But it's

900
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 2>like for for.

901
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Rugby, the same in Oldham, mate.

902
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Well all of them. Yeah, I've they've done that for

903
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 2>years and year is with what Barry Mack and Kevin Sinfield.

904
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.320
<v Speaker 1>And for a while there it was the same okay

905
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 1>are it was?

906
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, And look I think Cass obviously there's a

907
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.599
<v Speaker 2>club in Cast, but Cass produced a lot of players

908
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 2>who Rob Burrow for example, who you know, get their

909
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 2>start at Leeds or other clubs. Paul Anderson was was

910
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.800
<v Speaker 2>a Cast boy. You know, it was great at Bradford

911
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and in Hellns, et cetera. So yeah, it's just an

912
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.320
<v Speaker 2>interesting one. But look, it's good to see the club

913
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>coming back. Let's just hope they can, you know, run

914
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>their business correctly, pay their taxes and not overspend.

915
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Inspired to do a poetry competition, James Varley, our mate,

916
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 1>sent something through here. It is well, he sent about

917
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 1>eighteen things through. I had to break. So if you

918
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 1>want to send poetry, it needs to be sick lines maximum,

919
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.119
<v Speaker 1>because that's all I ever do.

920
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 2>What is this the Times or something? Now?

921
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Mcafe, At least one of us has standards. Right as

922
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 1>robins flew high and the dragons breeze fire, the consequences

923
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.880
<v Speaker 1>for Huddersfield and Lee were dire. The weekend started with

924
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Wakefield defeating Hull, then also defeats for to lose, Bradford

925
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 1>and Castleford, which left things over which to mure as

926
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.559
<v Speaker 1>the Warriors, Saints, Rhinos and even in defeat York or

927
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 1>perform like Knights. It was Warrington who won under the lights.

928
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Very good.

929
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know what, you know what, Yeah, good

930
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 1>effort and all that, James, you get a badge for trying.

931
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:33.159
<v Speaker 1>But what James doesn't understand, yeah, is the meter of

932
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the poem. I've been doing some research. The meter is

933
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the rhythmetic structure of a poem.

934
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm just hoping no one's using AI tools for this poetry.

935
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Right last week I started talking about how Super League

936
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.320
<v Speaker 1>teams could be in groups. We sort of put them

937
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>in groups. I'm now putting them in three. Groups. Last

938
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.639
<v Speaker 1>week was four, this was three. So I've got Wigan, Leeds,

939
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Warrington and Saints in the top echelons. I just think

940
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Saints are not showing a consistency of performance yet. Okay,

941
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 1>I've spoken in the past about poor rulers, defenses, Middle

942
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Chunk to lose York, Bradford Bulls have been brilliant as

943
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.639
<v Speaker 1>we've said newly promoted side, so they're in the middle chunk.

944
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm now also putting Wakefield and Catalans in there. I

945
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like how Catalans responded this week. In the bottom chunk,

946
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I e we're in a bit of trouble and we've

947
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.960
<v Speaker 1>got some work to do. Huddersfield, I've got whole k

948
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 1>are in there. I've got Lee Leopards in there. I've

949
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 1>got Hull Left C in there. The one I'm really

950
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>struggling to put into a category as Cast. But in

951
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 1>terms of results, I've got to put them in that

952
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 1>bottom group. But I think Casts are showing a bit

953
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:56.960
<v Speaker 1>more than Lee and Huddersfield at the moment, and possibly

954
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Hull Left C. So they're my three groups. York Night's

955
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:08.800
<v Speaker 1>thirty Warrington thirty eight to try Manic forty point first

956
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 1>half it was helter skelter. What were you at the

957
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 1>game or did you watch it?

958
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I was watching the League Atlins game, so I

959
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>only saw the highlights. Look, I think Warrington probably had

960
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 2>this one one by a fair margine, but a lot

961
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 2>of credit to your full chloring back in and putting

962
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of pressure on them. Look, I think it's

963
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Warrington three from three, not being you know, at the

964
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Wigan levels, but underfooded starts, so they've got to be

965
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.199
<v Speaker 2>very happy and you're again very very competitive, pushed a

966
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 2>good Warrington team by the way, so sorry. I think

967
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot to like for both teams.

968
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Last week I did some analysis on the Warrington defense

969
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 1>on the Rugby League Coach YouTube channel and I actually

970
00:52:54.159 --> 00:53:01.000
<v Speaker 1>think their defense is structurally, structurally very good and I

971
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's improved a lot from last year and

972
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I credit the addition of Steve McNamara to the coaching

973
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 1>staff for that, I think. But sometimes teams can be

974
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.440
<v Speaker 1>not quite up for the fight. You know that we're

975
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.599
<v Speaker 1>going to York, we should beat them. We probably only

976
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 1>have to play at seven out of ten intensity and

977
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.719
<v Speaker 1>that's probably what happened there. York still have some work

978
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to do close on their line. You get close to

979
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the line with York and you tend to come up

980
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>with points, so they've still got work to do there.

981
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Warrington have Ghoul Vikings in the Challenge Cup next week

982
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 1>and York faced keith Ley Cougar, so obviously Warrington should

983
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 1>win that game against gool York. York should beat Cougar's

984
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 1>And the good thing about that for York is that

985
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I think their confident run can keep going then as

986
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:49.320
<v Speaker 1>a rule, because I think they'll get confidence after what

987
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.239
<v Speaker 1>they did against Warrington. By the way you're describing the game,

988
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.119
<v Speaker 1>it was probably won by Warrington, and then Warrington took

989
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the foot off the gas. But mister Applegarth doesn't have

990
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>to say to his players. He can massage the message

991
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.760
<v Speaker 1>and say, no, you fought back, boys, you fought back.

992
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.039
<v Speaker 1>And then this week they'll play Keithley, they'll beat them,

993
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden they've got a winning start

994
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.280
<v Speaker 1>to the season, or at least a fifty percent start

995
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 1>to the season. So great stuff at York, and you know,

996
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I just hope it continues for a while. Lee Leopards sixteen,

997
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Catalans twenty two. Something's going on at Lee John. I

998
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 1>mentioned this issue in our after the hooter last week

999
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>when I talked about that player that turn round and

1000
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 1>blame someone. I've analyzed their defense this week with Warrington

1001
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 1>on my Rugby League Coach YouTube channel last week, I

1002
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 1>should say, and their defense is really poor at the moment,

1003
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Lacking line speed, lacking intensity. They're still trying to catch

1004
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:50.079
<v Speaker 1>and wrestle. They've now lost three Super League matches Lee

1005
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 1>and in a row, and they'll need to see an

1006
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 1>improvement if they're going to make the playoffs. The other

1007
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.880
<v Speaker 1>worrying thing about this for Lee was Catalans had every

1008
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 1>used to lose. They had a mechanical fault on their plane,

1009
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>they had to make an emergency landing in Bordeaux. Their

1010
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 1>journey to Greater Manchester took sixteen hours before the kickoff.

1011
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Makinson picked up an injury in the warm up

1012
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and had to be replaced, and even then Lee scored

1013
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:20.679
<v Speaker 1>the first try on ten minutes. It was a nice

1014
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.400
<v Speaker 1>tribe that Tessi Nu finished. We seem to mention tes

1015
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.559
<v Speaker 1>every week on this podcast. And it was six all

1016
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:30.599
<v Speaker 1>at halftime. If you ask me, Catalan's had every reason

1017
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 1>if they were lacking confidence, or if the coach was

1018
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 1>down on them or anything like that. But halftime in

1019
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that game, they could have gone, oh, yeah, all these

1020
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 1>things have gone against us. It's going to be a

1021
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Speaker 1>tough second half. That's what happens sometimes. Yeah, definitely it

1022
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.320
<v Speaker 1>was a tough instead. It was a tough second half

1023
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>for Lee.

1024
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, look, I think broke the story an

1025
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 2>hour or so ago about my understanding that the chairman

1026
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of Lee might learn them a stepped down. It seems

1027
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 2>like there's a lot of things happening at the club.

1028
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 1>The chairman of Lee, he might step down, yes.

1029
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:05.079
<v Speaker 2>But I understand that he has stepped down. That's right.

1030
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>What's his name, Mike Latham? Yes, I don't Mike. Yeah,

1031
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 1>being a.

1032
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Club a long time, being I think chairman since twenty eighteen. Yeah,

1033
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 2>there seems to be a lot happening behind the scenes.

1034
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:23.280
<v Speaker 2>That obviously a big injury issue there with a number

1035
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.639
<v Speaker 2>of key players out. But yeah, it's been a really

1036
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.239
<v Speaker 2>tough start for them, and you know, I think another

1037
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 2>disappointing game.

1038
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.320
<v Speaker 1>It was ill disciplined in the second half and the

1039
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:34.639
<v Speaker 1>first half that cost him. I know, Lamb took somebody

1040
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 1>out off the ball and there was a high tackle

1041
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that led to points in the second half. So one

1042
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.440
<v Speaker 1>concern for Catalans was how many tries were conceded down there,

1043
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:48.840
<v Speaker 1>right testing you again mentioning him again had some fun

1044
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>on that side and they and Lee were clearly attacking

1045
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.559
<v Speaker 1>that side too, So they've obviously highlighted that as an issue,

1046
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>but it just wasn't enough to lose sixteen wig and

1047
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.760
<v Speaker 1>thirty six. That Wig and Kit was hideous by the

1048
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.119
<v Speaker 1>way that lime green, but it was eighteen nil after

1049
00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:07.639
<v Speaker 1>twenty two minutes and by analysis video coming out this

1050
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 1>week is actually showing how why Wigan are at the

1051
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>top of the table. They're building pressure. They're they're very patient,

1052
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:18.639
<v Speaker 1>coming out of their own end. They're kicking deep, they're chasing,

1053
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:20.719
<v Speaker 1>they're doing all the boring things and they're happy to

1054
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.320
<v Speaker 1>be bored and all that pressure that they're building is

1055
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 1>allowing them to pile on the points early. It took

1056
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.639
<v Speaker 1>fifty three minutes for to lose to score and that

1057
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>was then twenty two to six. Jack Farremond had a

1058
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.320
<v Speaker 1>hand in four tries. Did you watch this game?

1059
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I did. I mean, I'm a big fan of Pharamont.

1060
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>How old is it?

1061
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:48.679
<v Speaker 2>That's a really good question. I'm thinking twenty one.

1062
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Where's he from? Zeer Wigan? Lad, he's from Lee.

1063
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's a Lee Miners junior and I believe his

1064
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:02.239
<v Speaker 2>dad's a coach or has coached Lee Miners. Look, he's

1065
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.880
<v Speaker 2>a fantastic talent. Made his debut I think it was

1066
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 2>about two years ago, just half back. Uh and he's

1067
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:11.559
<v Speaker 2>had to buy his time and obviously with the injury

1068
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to Joe gire Field, they moved Bevan French back there

1069
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and he just looked, I mean Pharamon when he was

1070
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.599
<v Speaker 2>running the ball, he was I think he beatd three

1071
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 2>defenders on one of them and just skinned them like

1072
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:26.719
<v Speaker 2>they weren't even there. They've just got so many players

1073
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:28.679
<v Speaker 2>were getting in such great form and as you said,

1074
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:32.559
<v Speaker 2>they look relaxed. They can you know, they can. They

1075
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.119
<v Speaker 2>can bash you, they can skin you on the outside.

1076
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 2>They've got pace, They've got a lot of skill. Yeah,

1077
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 2>they just they just really really.

1078
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 1>I think they're the best coach side in the competition

1079
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:44.840
<v Speaker 1>at the moment. I did an analysis, like I say,

1080
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 1>it looked at the tackle techniques compressed different. I believe

1081
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:51.199
<v Speaker 1>I coached Batpete. I believe he came to Great Britain

1082
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 1>students training a few times. Yeah, so I don't remember

1083
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 1>meeting mentor should we should we give you never know

1084
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.719
<v Speaker 1>he might be watching it might be watching me stuff.

1085
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.519
<v Speaker 1>A lot of them do. But the worry for to lose,

1086
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe the to lose coach should start looking all seven

1087
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Wigan tries were on to lose his left Wigan right,

1088
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 1>so these patterns. These patterns are really really interesting to me. Defensively,

1089
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Wigan conceded two of the three tries they conceded from

1090
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.199
<v Speaker 1>a kick and one a penalty try, so even their

1091
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:26.039
<v Speaker 1>defense held up. Saint Helen's twenty six. Bradford twenty two,

1092
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the fixture famous for the wide to west moment, was

1093
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 1>another good game. I suppose did you watch this one?

1094
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I thought Bradford Shid are a lot of great Obviously,

1095
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 2>there was a few controversial moments. We talked about the

1096
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 2>red card. There was the clonal sin binning early on,

1097
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>which was also a big hit. I think it was

1098
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:51.079
<v Speaker 2>slightly different than the other one, but you know you've

1099
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:54.519
<v Speaker 2>seen you know those given red as well, so you

1100
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.679
<v Speaker 2>could say maybe Clema got off lightly there. But yeah,

1101
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Saint Helen's managed to get fight back and get the win.

1102
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Bradford again really competitive. I like the way his team plays.

1103
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.440
<v Speaker 2>But they picked up a couple of injuries as well,

1104
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:12.400
<v Speaker 2>so I think that you know their depth is going

1105
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:16.440
<v Speaker 2>to be sorely tested in the coming weeks.

1106
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Their right edge got peppered. They conceded four of their

1107
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:23.559
<v Speaker 1>five tries. Right, Yeah, Eastern Master has really got exposed

1108
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.199
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. I noticed that some poor defensive

1109
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 1>efforts from him, I would say, but Bradford was six

1110
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.960
<v Speaker 1>points up at halftime and then went twelve points up,

1111
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:37.559
<v Speaker 1>so so they definitely gave gave Saints a fright. It's

1112
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:40.679
<v Speaker 1>not getting easier for Bradford. They travel to travel to

1113
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Wigan on Friday the thirteenth, and but what will undo

1114
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 1>undo Saints this year when the Whips are cracking is

1115
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 1>the their defense. The Yeah, he's got some work to do.

1116
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Paul Rowley talking of poor defense Huddersfield six or KR

1117
01:00:57.599 --> 01:00:59.320
<v Speaker 1>thirty two. You were at this game, I'll let you

1118
01:00:59.360 --> 01:00:59.960
<v Speaker 1>go on about them.

1119
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, there was sixteen at half time

1120
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.599
<v Speaker 2>and then Mikey Lewis scored a fantastic solo try right

1121
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:11.039
<v Speaker 2>after halftime, and early in the second half the game

1122
01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 2>was over the whole hour. Were just better in every department.

1123
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Twenty two nil at half time, wasn't it?

1124
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Sixteen nil? And then twenty two nil?

1125
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Sorry just after half time? Yeah?

1126
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay, I were you know, they were trying

1127
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to make amends from what happened in Vegas. They were,

1128
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, strong in defense, they were very good in

1129
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:34.679
<v Speaker 2>attack that they probably pushed a few passes, maybe try

1130
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a bit too our times, but Hardsfield were just woeful,

1131
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.039
<v Speaker 2>so many errors, cheap errors, and there was I can't

1132
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.199
<v Speaker 2>exactly remember which player, but there was at least two

1133
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:47.039
<v Speaker 2>occasions when they had two on one and the Senate

1134
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:51.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't pass to is we're unmarked on the right or

1135
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.199
<v Speaker 2>the left?

1136
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Just to coaching?

1137
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean simple, simple too on ones it was

1138
01:01:56.599 --> 01:01:59.039
<v Speaker 2>like just look to you know, your left, to your right,

1139
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 2>if you've got support, if you've got support user, But yeah,

1140
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I can't, I really can't say where Haddison was going

1141
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to get their first win of the season at this point.

1142
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, what shocked me about this was how easily hook

1143
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I was scoring there. Try and bear in mind, whole

1144
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.559
<v Speaker 1>k are a team that you could basically expose any

1145
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:18.079
<v Speaker 1>lack of confidence that was there after what happened at

1146
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Vegas and at York, holders Field has made it too

1147
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 1>easy for them.

1148
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, how I weren't at their best by I think

1149
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the best it would have been fifty.

1150
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.440
<v Speaker 1>And Huddersfield only try he came from a high kick

1151
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 1>that lower here put down, So they didn't even really.

1152
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they didn't really travel the

1153
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 2>defense match and these two teams play again in the

1154
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Challenge cap in six days?

1155
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Was it Flanning who kicked it and Lily here who

1156
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 1>scored it?

1157
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:53.239
<v Speaker 2>On? No, I think it was Lolo who kicked it well,

1158
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:53.679
<v Speaker 2>and then.

1159
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure the BBC said Lola he had scored. Some

1160
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff would never be wrongly as you know.

1161
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Now Leeds twenty two Cast four, Jordan Brown, who was

1162
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a teenager, scored his first Super League try forle Leeds.

1163
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.119
<v Speaker 1>That was a nice touch. You know what I got

1164
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:12.480
<v Speaker 1>me about this game? Obviously? Now my Casivo is the

1165
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:18.480
<v Speaker 1>talk of Super League. But Rava Lawa for Casts did

1166
01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:22.320
<v Speaker 1>at make as Evo first on me Casivo side. Basically

1167
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 1>just it just barreled over for a try on eighteen minutes,

1168
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:28.039
<v Speaker 1>all low, but then not to be able to don

1169
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Sivo scored one back, and then another and then another

1170
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and then another.

1171
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Two of them, two of them from Seva I just

1172
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.679
<v Speaker 2>I could have scored. He rolled over and one of

1173
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.559
<v Speaker 2>them was a beautiful offload from Hankinson. But yeah, the

1174
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:44.360
<v Speaker 2>one where he just went over. Whoever the cast player was,

1175
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like you think you know them. I've

1176
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:50.920
<v Speaker 2>ever seen Civo play before. Because he did this for

1177
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Paramouna for how many years. Like, you've got to get

1178
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:54.840
<v Speaker 2>bodies in front of him, You've got to get up

1179
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.239
<v Speaker 2>in his face. You know, you can't let him isolate

1180
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.519
<v Speaker 2>a winger one on why why? Because you know what's

1181
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.960
<v Speaker 2>going to happen. So yeah, but look, I think it's

1182
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:08.320
<v Speaker 2>nine tries in three games, so they're not.

1183
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Doing bad the lad It's like the early in Harland

1184
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:19.559
<v Speaker 1>of rugby league. Casts are battlers and they've got a

1185
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.039
<v Speaker 1>lot more about them than their results suggest. I think

1186
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:25.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't lead tries as easily. They don't lead tries

1187
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.320
<v Speaker 1>easily as a rule, and leads had to fight for everything.

1188
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.599
<v Speaker 1>So CAS fans don't give up on your team or

1189
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.119
<v Speaker 1>your coach yet. In response to the to the question

1190
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:36.519
<v Speaker 1>we had before, Erin Francis asked, do you think each

1191
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:39.639
<v Speaker 1>ref has a different understanding of rough speed? And then

1192
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:41.760
<v Speaker 1>she asked me to tagger in the episode so can

1193
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:44.199
<v Speaker 1>watch the listen. I can't do that, erin book because

1194
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:46.199
<v Speaker 1>only because your tag won't come up when I try.

1195
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:48.800
<v Speaker 1>But I'll put it back in that group voye as

1196
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:51.280
<v Speaker 1>you can see. Do you think they have different interpretations

1197
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of rough speed? John, Yeah, I.

1198
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Think they do. Yeah, I don't think it's the uniformity

1199
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:56.800
<v Speaker 2>across the competition.

1200
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, it comes back to leadership. Comes back to leadership.

1201
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Then he to help them with that uniformity. And when

1202
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.239
<v Speaker 1>you chase the symptoms rather than the causes, this is

1203
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:11.119
<v Speaker 1>what happened early Bird on X. How does English Rugby

1204
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.239
<v Speaker 1>League find more talent? Should every team have to run

1205
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a genuine reserve grade and academy? It irks me. We

1206
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.159
<v Speaker 1>don't insist on this talent is there if we allow

1207
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.480
<v Speaker 1>it to flourish? Can I answer that, John?

1208
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1209
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 1>The best it ever was, mister Airlybird, was when we

1210
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.400
<v Speaker 1>did service areas. So what we need to do is

1211
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.880
<v Speaker 1>look back at the model that happened in late nineties

1212
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:37.360
<v Speaker 1>early two thousands. Service areas were about getting everybody in

1213
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 1>your area on side and on the same page and

1214
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:44.079
<v Speaker 1>pooling all resources wherever you could. And the key thing

1215
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:46.559
<v Speaker 1>about a development system is the bigger the bottom of

1216
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the development pyramid, the more will rise to the top.

1217
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.559
<v Speaker 1>You then, as you quite rightly say, mister aily Bird,

1218
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Speaker 1>who I've written down as Airline Bird on X, is

1219
01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:01.119
<v Speaker 1>you have to have the facilities and the pros to

1220
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.880
<v Speaker 1>have these players filter through to the top and this

1221
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.159
<v Speaker 1>could be a restructuring issue for the championship too. Maybe

1222
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe some of them have to be genuine reserve grades.

1223
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe again I don't know, but ultimately service areas is

1224
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the key at the bottom end, whether it's reserve grade

1225
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.519
<v Speaker 1>and academies. I think they cost money and that's why

1226
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:25.760
<v Speaker 1>some clubs struggle with them. So we're going down that

1227
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 1>avenue again of how much clubs can afford and whatnot.

1228
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.559
<v Speaker 1>We need a twenty year thirty year plan to turn

1229
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.000
<v Speaker 1>this all around. In terms of English rugby League, Ian

1230
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Reed asked loans for a week or even two, are

1231
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.960
<v Speaker 1>they really improving reserve players? Fitness? Is a championship game

1232
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that far above a Super league reserve side. Does a

1233
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:50.199
<v Speaker 1>championship improve by scraping through a game or two or

1234
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.360
<v Speaker 1>should loans be for a minimum, say three months or

1235
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:55.000
<v Speaker 1>not happen at all.

1236
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I think the loans are definitely needed from both parties.

1237
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I think a championship look, there's not many reserves fixtures,

1238
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and I think a championship game is of a higher intensity,

1239
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 2>definitely a much stronger physicality. Yeah, I think we need

1240
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 2>one week loans and two week loans obviously, you'd like

1241
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:19.159
<v Speaker 2>them longer, but it's always possible.

1242
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:23.079
<v Speaker 1>I think I makee Ben sent a question really early.

1243
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.760
<v Speaker 1>He loves our podcasts. I think this was Ben's question,

1244
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:29.039
<v Speaker 1>would the NRL have the best interest of the UK

1245
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.440
<v Speaker 1>game at heart or simply their own profits if they

1246
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:35.000
<v Speaker 1>were to buy into it? And then he also asked,

1247
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 1>how did the likes of Shane rich Richardson do when

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<v Speaker 1>they had senior roles at Gateshead and Hall FC and

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<v Speaker 1>any other ossie or club director you can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>The first part. Look, I think it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of column mind, bit of comb I think

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<v Speaker 2>the NRO can see that there's money to be made

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK. They can sell merch, they can sell

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<v Speaker 2>watch NRO packages, they can have origin and make a

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<v Speaker 2>stackload of money. But they also realize that they need,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if they want to be a global game,

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<v Speaker 2>they need one of the historically strong countries to be stronger,

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<v Speaker 2>and they need opposition in the internationals because if you're

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<v Speaker 2>just walking the ashes every day, what's the point of

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<v Speaker 2>playing it? You know, And if you're the NRL, you

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<v Speaker 2>want your next Sam Burgess, your next James Grahame, your

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<v Speaker 2>next Mel Riley, your next Adrian Morley. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>generally there is a thing of helping people on this

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<v Speaker 2>side of the world as well as helping themselves. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think you can use the example for New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 2>Warriors have been fantastic for New Zealand rugby league. They're

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<v Speaker 2>way more competitive internationally. They want to World Cup in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight than they were pre Warriors. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at P and G how you know they've improved and

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<v Speaker 2>how they will go to another level with the Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I think there is mutual benefits

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides. On the other one, the Australian administrators,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Gateshead, Thunder one under, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>can blame them all in Shane Richardson's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all his fault. Yeah, I wasn't covering the game when

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<v Speaker 2>the Gateshead started in what was it ninety nine? I

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<v Speaker 2>think yeah, I think Gateshead could probably be listed down

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the expansion teams in super Bogue, like

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<v Speaker 2>Paris and Toronto and you know many of the other

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<v Speaker 2>failed ones that what expected, strategy, what support. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>like the Melbourne Storm, you know we're given forty million

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is quid over twenty thirty years by news limit.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think different. I don't think it matters if

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<v Speaker 1>they're Australian, are English or so. That is about who

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<v Speaker 1>the best people are for the job. Yes, that it's

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<v Speaker 1>that simple. And if they have an Australian accent, if

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<v Speaker 1>they have an English accent, or if they have a

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<v Speaker 1>two bleasy accent, then we need to we need to,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to look at them and consider it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a point for your lee.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Blackwell asked the earlier question. Sorry, sorry, I've not

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<v Speaker 1>I've not got the right person who asked that question.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ben Blackwell, thanks for your question. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>answered it earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I was just going to say that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a question that someone or comment that someone had about

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<v Speaker 2>my eye story about the NRL and Super League potentially

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<v Speaker 2>getting into bed with the concern that the Australians would

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<v Speaker 2>not understand the tribal nature of rugby league in England,

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<v Speaker 2>which I respond, I mean they'd like to get your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts leader, I responded, rugby league's pretty tribal in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>State of origin is tribal, definitely, That's the epitome of

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<v Speaker 1>Australian tribuilt tribalism having lived, they just they just don't

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<v Speaker 1>decide to sing at each other and bash each other

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<v Speaker 1>and brisbane each other exactly perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know I know Western Suburbs fans who I

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<v Speaker 2>can remember I worked in one in two and six

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<v Speaker 2>and he filled out of rugby league of rugby league

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<v Speaker 2>completely through the West Toys because he was a mad

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<v Speaker 2>pass tragic and the mergers lost a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>to the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think there was a couple of Roosters fans.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a couple of Roosters fans turned up to

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<v Speaker 1>a mate of Mind's dad who passed away in his

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<v Speaker 1>eighties last year, who's a big self fan. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of Roosters fans turned up and everyone's looking at them, going, well,

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<v Speaker 1>them two doing it. So Challenge Cup next week, so

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<v Speaker 1>we won't have an after the hooter because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I can watch these. Wakefield Verus leads on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>Wigan versus Bradford on Friday, York and Keighley play on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>Ghool and Warrington. Okay, I have to go to Huddersfield again.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Huddersfield are going out of the court. Leon

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<v Speaker 1>Hull f C is probably the pick of those ties

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<v Speaker 1>and both of them need a win and I think

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<v Speaker 1>whoever wins that game will get a bit of confidence

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<v Speaker 1>going back into the league again. The other team will

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<v Speaker 1>be licking their wounds. Casts and Saints. I think Saints

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<v Speaker 1>good for that one, and Catalans for a Moldham. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about the NRL before we go, John.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a headline in the Sydney Morning Herald this

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<v Speaker 1>morning actually another NRL opening week of rule changes and

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<v Speaker 1>confusion and confusion. Here's hoping history doesn't repeat. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was by Dan Walsh. And I think when we criticize

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<v Speaker 1>refereeing in England we need to be so happy that

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<v Speaker 1>the referees don't have this paralysis by analysis attitude, because

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<v Speaker 1>in the NRL it's the exact opposite and some people

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<v Speaker 1>are switching off for it from it. Regardless of what

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<v Speaker 1>Valandi says, some died in the world rugby league. People

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<v Speaker 1>have had enough of some of these refereeing interpretations, let's say. So,

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely an issue in the NRL. Penrith put Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>to the sword on Friday and there's a headline in

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<v Speaker 1>the telegraph, stroke, courier mail and I know, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know better than anyone headline. You know, writers are a

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<v Speaker 1>different breed to the writers sometimes. Yeah, Madge facing toughest

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<v Speaker 1>test of career after brutal Broncos start was the headline. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>my my thoughts on that, mister sub editor, are that

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<v Speaker 1>you've got short memory. When he arrived at Brisbane a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago, they were outside the finals and as Ramam

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<v Speaker 1>had just been in trouble for doing what he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing off the field, I'd say that was a bit worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Also he coached West Tigers, so the target and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the NRL has started. Quick review from you. John

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<v Speaker 1>Roosters missed out at the at the Warriors. Broncos got

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<v Speaker 1>heavily beaten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, was very very poor and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>faced them this year.

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<v Speaker 1>There were only eight points off being scrubbed out of

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<v Speaker 1>the comp In terms of if you conceived fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to come well. Paramatta were diabolical. The

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<v Speaker 2>Storm looked very good. Yeah, Broncos again, can they catch

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<v Speaker 2>a highball? I mean it's not the moment they carried

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<v Speaker 2>the whole Car World Club challenge for me in obviously

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<v Speaker 2>look mainly great ten minutes, first ten minutes, great last

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes, but they need to play a lot better

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<v Speaker 2>than that consistently to have a good season. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see the Titans game, but i'll tell you what. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt bad for Josh because.

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<v Speaker 1>I always laughed the two teams that made the most

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<v Speaker 1>noises in the off season, or at least the media

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<v Speaker 1>made noises for them. So that comes down to whatever's

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<v Speaker 1>leaking out the place with Paramatta and Go cost Titans,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were some and Brisbane, let's not forget the

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<v Speaker 1>Brisbane Yeah, and Roosters actually, so there's a better noise

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<v Speaker 1>around all those. So so there that was int I

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<v Speaker 1>think the concern for the NRL this weekend would be

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<v Speaker 1>some of the blowout scores. And it's funny once Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>kicked in, game's got a bit closer, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how much influencers coming for the top, from the

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<v Speaker 1>top to the referees too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't see. I didn't see the game. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw at least of the troll Tryer and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>good to see him back full fitness of confidence because

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<v Speaker 2>he's just got that ability like a gi just to

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<v Speaker 2>get the ball bang bang bang to over defend, over

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01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:35.239
<v Speaker 2>defend and score and you just kind of go, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you stop that?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw some of that game, and what's clear to

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<v Speaker 1>me is the Dolphins still can't defend so well.

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<v Speaker 2>Christian waf Wolf is a hard task master. I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>he'll be flogging his his players come on Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm, that was a bumper one, John. Yes, my my

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<v Speaker 1>laptop battery is about to die, so we better better.

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<v Speaker 1>My eyes are about to die. I should have warned

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<v Speaker 1>my glasses. Look out for the analysis video this week.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not doing an after the hooter. Have a great week,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy your Challenge Cup weekend and contact me Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>Coach dot comatay you at Rugby League Coach, on Socials

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<v Speaker 1>admin at Rugby League Coach dot COMA tay you John X.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny D Davidson and on Facebook at John Davidson a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got the balls now to get you to ex

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<v Speaker 1>him again after his little wings the other week. See

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<v Speaker 1>you later,