WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:02.879 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:05.360 I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:07.320 demand on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:08.640 Do you want your Jeopardy question? 5 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:09.160 Love it? 6 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:10.080 Okay? 7 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:13.839 Pro Sports teams by Mascot for six hundred dollars. 8 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:15.039 A bird named Poe? 9 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:23.480 The name Oh Poe Poe? Yeah, I'm sorry, Baltimore raveil is. 10 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:25.480 What else is Poe? 11 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:25.640 Like? 12 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:30.359 Po Like a po boy, like a New Orleans Saints 13 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:32.840 little Poe boy sandwich running around. 14 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.079 I'd be cute. I love a good Poe boy. 15 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.679 I do a good one there and Carson Darrow's grill 16 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:44.600 catfish Poe boy slap you in the face for one. 17 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:45.759 Not at lunchtime place? 18 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:50.039 Oh okay, we only do DV at the nine o'clock hour. 19 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:52.119 What else is going on? 20 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:55.679 Time four? What's happening? 21 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:59.280 Probably not the best day to make that joke. 22 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.960 The minute one brothers resentencing hearing has begun, there is 23 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.480 a new risk assessment on the table. This is a 24 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:11.799 risk assessment from the Parole Board which says, well, it's 25 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.599 insinuated that it says that there are greater risk these 26 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.120 brothers than you would think they would be having this 27 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:23.359 isolated murder of their parents being a familial situation, the 28 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:28.200 fact that they haven't accepted accountability or taken accountability for 29 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:30.280 these murders is. 30 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:31.799 Going to be a problem for them. 31 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.519 A judge is considering whether to wipe off the whole 32 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.000 without parole or without the possibility of parole from the 33 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.920 end of their sentence, which would make them eligible for 34 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:43.480 parole right away since they've served so much time. But 35 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:45.879 it's up to the parole board whether or not it's 36 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.359 going to be down with releasing two people that refuse 37 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:50.239 to say they did it. 38 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:54.159 A couple other court cases, one in France Kim Kardashian 39 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.200 on the witness stand against a group of accused a 40 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.599 group of people accused of stealing a bunch of jewelry 41 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.200 from her. Remember that story. She was in Paris for 42 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.079 Fashion Week in twenty sixteen. The other one is Cassie 43 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:10.039 Ventura testifying in the case against Sean Diddy Combs. She 44 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.599 testified just a few minutes ago that she was eventually 45 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.879 disgusted and overwhelmed by all of these freak offs that 46 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:21.280 he was forcing her to take part in, that she 47 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.840 felt humiliated, She was disgusted. She said it was too 48 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.280 much and it was overwhelming. She did take a quick 49 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.639 break after that comment. The judge alouder a few minutes 50 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:32.280 and then got back on the stand. Just a short 51 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:32.960 time ago. 52 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.599 The FDA announces it's going to begin the process of 53 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.000 pulling fluoroid drops and tablets for kids off the market, 54 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:41.840 usually given to kids at high risk for cavities. 55 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:47.319 I was given fluoride as a child, explains everything, doesn't it? 56 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.120 Weight gain, thyroid disorders, increased decreased IQ. 57 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:52.400 Thanks mom? 58 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:55.000 Wait is that? Oh that's real? 59 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:57.439 Yeah, that's what they say. 60 00:02:57.919 --> 00:02:59.840 And jes you were born without a thigh. 61 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.319 I thought ingested fluoroid can alter a child's gut biome, 62 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:08.719 cause weight gain, thyroid disorders, and decreased IQ. But thanks 63 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:10.879 for not backing off the weight gain portion of it. 64 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:15.280 For the decreased IQ portion, Say that again, you know what? 65 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:21.159 How about a fish sandwich for lunch? Again? I don't 66 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:22.919 know why I keep threatening harm. 67 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.159 Gas prices going up. 68 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:29.479 Gas prices up over twenty three cents in California. We're 69 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:34.159 at an average of four to eighty three gallon. I 70 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:36.479 know that President Trump has been going around and talking 71 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:41.400 about his describing the economy as successful and suggesting that 72 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.639 egg prices are down and the gas prices are down, 73 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.639 but he has not spent any time in California, that's 74 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:46.960 for sure. 75 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:50.240 Did you see the full flower moon last night? It 76 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:52.199 was a full moon. I thought it was more impressive 77 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.800 the night before, on Sunday night, I thought it was 78 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:55.439 more impressive. 79 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.879 I saw it from the airplane on Sunday night, which 80 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:58.560 was kind of cool. 81 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.479 Yeah, did you do your moon dance on the plane? 82 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:02.759 No, not a lot of room. 83 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:03.719 Well, you can't take. 84 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:04.680 Out your clothes next to me. 85 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.000 Yeah, you couldn't take off your clothes and put on the. 86 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:09.800 I could have tried. I could have tried, and that 87 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:11.639 would have made a headline, all right, and. 88 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:13.360 You would have said it was for the flower moon. 89 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:13.960 Yeah. 90 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.199 I'm and be at acts surprised that not everybody was taking. 91 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:23.920 Claim your tribal ancestry. How do you say white and 92 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:24.879 Native American? 93 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:28.240 I don't know. 94 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.519 No, you'd have to figure out which that would be 95 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.879 your tribe. Griffith Observatory celebrating a milestone. It's ninetieth anniversary 96 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:41.639 this week. First, it was the first public observatory to 97 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:46.600 open west of the Mississippi May fourteenth, nineteen thirty five. 98 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.240 They're going to do a special ceremony at the front 99 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.279 lawn at about eleven thirty tomorrow before the door's open. 100 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.959 The Native American term for white varies depending on the 101 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.959 specific language and tribe. While Unga in Cherokee means white, 102 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.639 other languages like Lakota and Navajo have different words, which 103 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:09.480 I cannot pronounce. Lakota uses o was c shoe, washy shoe. 104 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:14.560 Navajo the term is bio by Leigana, by Lagana. I 105 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.639 think we'll go with the Cherokee term unga. 106 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:17.600 It's a little easier. 107 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.439 Yeah, you're from the Unga tribe. 108 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.439 Before we get into our true crime Tuesday, there was 109 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:27.160 a story also about the hunt for El Choppo Junior. 110 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.120 Do we have the thing? What the music? 111 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.680 Yeah, but we haven't done the story yet. 112 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.120 I know, but I'm excited for you are excited for it. Yeah, 113 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:36.879 you have The bar is very. 114 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:38.480 Low, very very low. 115 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:44.040 All right, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand 116 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.120 from KF I am six forty. 117 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:49.920 Well, I'll have to get that thing here in just 118 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:50.399 a second. 119 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:51.439 I asked for the thing. 120 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:55.800 It's my favorite part of any sort of El Chapo news. 121 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.079 That's the weirdest thing to be excited about. 122 00:05:58.160 --> 00:05:59.959 But well we've had it for the whole. 123 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:07.839 Joaquin Guzman is a just sucks. Somebody left a message 124 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.360 for us a while ago about the l Chapo thing. 125 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.399 I'll get to El Chapo here in just a second. 126 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:19.839 Joaquin Guzman, the El Chapo, leader of the cartel down 127 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:26.560 in Sineloa, is obviously in jail awaiting trial, and his 128 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:32.160 son is probably the guy that they say has taken 129 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:40.600 over Ivonne Archivaldo Guzman. Now, he was in a safe 130 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.639 house in the Sineloa cartel stronghold of Kulia Khan earlier 131 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.199 this year and special forces came in and do you 132 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.639 know what they did? They blew the doors down looking 133 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:59.199 for Van Archivaldo Guzman. He was able to escape using 134 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:03.800 a trick that is Dad taught him. Remember when El 135 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:10.439 Chopo left prison and ended up going through a tunnel 136 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.480 to a tiny little house that was far away from 137 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:14.920 the prison and was able to escape that way. Well, 138 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.399 this is what Yvonne did El Choppo Junior. A cabinet 139 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.360 in the bathroom covered the entrance to a tunnel where 140 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:26.079 he was able to escape. That tunnel went three blocks 141 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.879 to an uninhabited home. He left more than fifteen burner 142 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:35.519 phones at the safehouse, along with a laptop, computer, family photos, 143 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:40.639 and a room full of sports memorabilia. Yvonne is now 144 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:44.120 he is forty one years old, took over the family 145 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:48.319 business after his dad. The El Chopo was picked up 146 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:51.160 in twenty sixteen. 147 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:51.920 I believe it. 148 00:07:51.879 --> 00:08:01.079 Was Well, there's another son who's in the news for 149 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:07.879 coming to the US for negotiations for a flea deal 150 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.199 and has brought seventeen relatives with him. 151 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:11.120 Well, what's wrong with that? 152 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:14.279 It seems a little suspicious, seems. 153 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:14.519 Like a lot. 154 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.279 Do you have seventeen relatives? I don't even think I 155 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:28.560 have seventeen relatives. Prosecutors say that Yvonne Archievaldo Gusman is 156 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.879 one of the most brutal of a new generation of 157 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.559 what they refer to as Narco juniors who have risen 158 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.799 to the top of the cartel, especially now that they've 159 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:37.960 gotten into the fentanyl. 160 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.559 Do you want to dip into Mark Geragis he's holding 161 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.159 a dog and pony show outside of the Menendez brothers 162 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:47.240 resentencing hearing again, this judge could decide to take off 163 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.840 the life without the possibility of parole, which would make 164 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:55.320 the brothers eligible for parole right away, and then it 165 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.320 would give if the judge decides that in this two 166 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.559 day hearing I believe it's going to be few days, 167 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.840 then it would go to the parole boards. 168 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:04.519 They would make the decisions. 169 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:06.919 Who was almost a surrogate mother and all of the 170 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.720 extended family. They want them out, and they want them 171 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:14.360 out now, and that's hopefully what the result that we're 172 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.879 aiming for. I'll take a couple of questions. 173 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:19.440 Would been really thrilled, you. 174 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:25.279 Know, when they're on the stands that her bad part. 175 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.320 And think their password free is going to pack on 176 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.120 the questions, whether they're. 177 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:38.279 Deflection obviously by the DA's office, I don't you know. 178 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.360 As much as I object to the deputies in there, 179 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.799 I think this new DA, as I said last week, 180 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:50.080 I think he's got an unhealthy and unnatural belief that 181 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.480 he needs to rehabilitate Jose. I don't know whose interest 182 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:58.639 he's vindicating other than him and his dad's representation of 183 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:02.320 Jose's business partner. It's interesting he wants to focus on 184 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:06.000 tax fraud. Somebody just reminded me this is a guy 185 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:09.720 whose father who was very well respected in this town 186 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.840 and him for a number of years they made all 187 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:16.120 of their money defending people accused of tax fraud, which 188 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:17.679 so the irony is delicious. 189 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.799 But the fact remains that the so called. 190 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.240 Mark arras calling out defense attorneys. 191 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:28.240 No, I think he's going after Nathan Hawkman, That's. 192 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:28.480 What I mean. 193 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.320 Father, Yeah, who representing people accused of tax frauds. A 194 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.360 defense attorney going after defense attorneys is. 195 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:41.000 Very rich clear as to what this is supposed to 196 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:42.799 be about. This hearing. 197 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.799 Resentencing is not to relitigate the facts. By the way, 198 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.039 we're happy to do that. In the habeas. We have 199 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:56.000 a separate proceeding pending. We have a separate judge to 200 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.840 litigate that. That's where all of these arguments that they 201 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.720 want to deflect here are from. And you may ask, well, 202 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.159 then why are they bringing it up? You didn't ask that, 203 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.879 but I'll ask your follow up. They're bringing it up 204 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:12.000 because if they read the code section, if they are 205 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:17.399 intellectually honest, they would understand that there are no two 206 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.440 better candidates in the state of California right now for 207 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.120 resentencing than Eric and Lyle Menendez for all of the. 208 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:26.320 Reasons that we talked about. 209 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.039 If they were intellectually honest, they would admit, you know what, 210 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.840 we've used these guys as proxies for politics that shouldn't 211 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.919 be Just let's try to course correct and get back 212 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:43.799 to why we're here. We're here for resentencing, didn't I'm 213 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.440 talking slower for covase soul. Wow, that's one question, but 214 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:50.159 ask it slow, Robert. 215 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:56.039 Will the brothers be able to address the court without. 216 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:59.879 Being brest if the judge, as I understand what happened 217 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.879 this morning, is in all sentencings in the state of 218 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:10.039 California and mostly federal as well most jurisdictions, at a sentencing, 219 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:13.559 you can do what's called an allocution, and which means 220 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:17.879 you can address the court. If he recalls the sentence 221 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:23.000 and then says I'm now conducting the re sentencing, they 222 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:24.519 will be allowed to speak. 223 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.440 With the judge talked about earlier. We're about to do that. 224 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:33.480 But anyway, off on a candid here. 225 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.159 The issue today on the recall of the sentence is 226 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.159 very simple. Was stated on the record. Is there a 227 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.159 likelihood that they will commit a super strike what I 228 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.080 call the seven Deadly sins? 229 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:53.320 There is zero likelihood. That's what the record reflects. 230 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:58.960 Nobody has suggested that anywhere, anytime that is the calculation. 231 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.919 If that is the calculation, the sentence should be recalled. 232 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.240 And then this afternoon, when I come back out, we 233 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.200 will discuss what the ramifications of that are. 234 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.000 I'm going to take one more question. Then the promise was, 235 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:14.480 Then the promise was. 236 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.440 I'm not We've been listening to defense attorney Mark Garritto. 237 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:21.519 Oh, Mark, he's so good at what he doesn't. 238 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.440 He knows how to he knows how to work those 239 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.840 those reporters like that. That's for sure, all right. 240 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:32.759 So when we get into true Crime Tuesday, an introduction 241 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:38.200 to a notorious serial killer. We believe here in southern 242 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:42.039 California that until last night, I'd never heard of the 243 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:43.320 Scorecard killer. 244 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:48.039 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 245 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:49.159 AM six forty. 246 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:52.919 Just before the break, you heard Mark Garages speaking. A 247 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.559 judge over at Van Eyes is listening to arguments this 248 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:59.919 week over whether Eric and Lylelmaninde should be receiving reduced sentences. 249 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.039 Of course, they've spent more than thirty years in prison 250 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:04.279 for the killing of their parents back in eighty nine. 251 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:08.120 The attorneys their attorneys, including Garago's, expected to argue over 252 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.840 the course of a two day hearing starting today that 253 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:13.879 the brothers have been rehabilitated. They do have the support 254 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.159 of some of their extended family as well. 255 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.120 Have you ever heard of the Scorecard Killer active in 256 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.080 Long Beach in the seventies. 257 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.279 That is this topic of our True Crime Tuesday. 258 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.039 The story is true true. 259 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:32.279 No, it sounds made up. 260 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:32.759 I don't know. 261 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.799 Gary and Shannon present True Crime. 262 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.519 Dan Salcito is a retired homicide detective with the Orange 263 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:47.799 County Sheriff's Department. He says he's not the media version 264 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:49.799 of what a killer looks like. If you put him 265 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:52.200 in a room filled with people, he's the last one 266 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:55.840 you'd pick. Talking about the Scorecard Killer. 267 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:57.159 It's weird. 268 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:03.240 So twelve thirteen years ago, Dan Salcedo was nearing retirement. 269 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.840 He and a partner were on a I guess you'd say, 270 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:12.679 a field trip to visit Robert Randy Craft, sorry, different 271 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:16.879 guy Randy Craft in San Quentin and at that time 272 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.279 been about thirty years since Craft had been pulled over 273 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:23.279 by a couple CHP officers down in Mission Viejo, and 274 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.720 they found some pretty interesting clue that he may have 275 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:27.720 been a bad guy. 276 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.399 The dead marine in his passenger seat. 277 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.799 Salsato was already headed up to Santa Cruz part of 278 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:38.159 an active investigation, and decided he was going to stop 279 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.840 by San Quentin one more time, just take another shot 280 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.600 at Randy Craft, just to see if there was any 281 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.279 other information that he would be able to pull out 282 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:51.000 of him. And that description of not your normal serial 283 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:53.679 killer is kind of how he described it. He said 284 00:15:53.960 --> 00:16:00.200 he looked like everyone else. To this retired detective, there's 285 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:04.159 nothing remarkable about Randy Craft's appearance or his persona. And 286 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.240 he said he had a kind of a pathetic, get 287 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:10.639 off my lawn attitude, but otherwise was utterly unimpressive. And 288 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:15.399 he didn't see what some detectives describe in the eyes 289 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:18.159 of killers. He didn't see the aura of evil or 290 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.240 the junkyard stair. Just a bitter old man, is the 291 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.960 way this retired detective described Randy Kraft. 292 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.960 He was referred to as a scorecard killer for a 293 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:32.000 codd list of more than sixty entries believed to correspond 294 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.840 to his victims, mostly young men and marines, whom he tortured, 295 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.639 raped and murdered before dumping their bodies, sometimes on roadsides, 296 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:44.840 off ramps, public spaces, and for a decade He trolled 297 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.360 and terrorized the Southern a southern California area while confounding 298 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.320 law enforcement up until that random traffic stop with the 299 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.200 dead marine in the passenger seat. When he was convicted, 300 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.559 he was believed to be the most prolific serial killer 301 00:16:57.639 --> 00:16:59.519 in the country at that point, and. 302 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.240 Although his total may have been eclipsed. 303 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.559 He was convicted of sixteen murders, they said he suspected 304 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:10.599 of at least sixty five more, and there are potentially 305 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:16.400 one hundred or more unsolved murders throughout California, Oregon, and 306 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:18.039 some in Michigan. 307 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.920 He was born in Long Beach in nineteen forty five. 308 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.680 Parents had moved there from Wyoming, and they said the 309 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.039 ultra conservative nature of Orange County was befitting for him, 310 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.839 given high school classmates described him as somewhere right of 311 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:37.839 Attila the hun. 312 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:43.319 He went to Claremont College. After he graduated, studied economics. 313 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:47.599 Big Berry goldwater supporter supported the Vietnam War. 314 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:49.319 He grew a beard. 315 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:52.680 They said that he kind of fell into the worldwide 316 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:55.359 protests back in sixty eight, which would have been an 317 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.559 unusual spin for him. He just as voraciously supported the 318 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.880 efforts of Robert F. Kennedy, and in nineteen sixty eight 319 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:05.000 he came out. 320 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:07.480 As gay. 321 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.319 He was dismissed from the Air Force on account of 322 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:13.079 what they referred to at the time as medical problems. 323 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.319 He went to. 324 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:22.640 Sunset Beach a lot the gay bars. He would go 325 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:28.400 back and forth from Laguna to la He was fully 326 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.000 entrenched in a newly gay social life, apparently lived off 327 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.640 a diet of meth and beer, diving into excesses. 328 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:38.200 So it's about this time. 329 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:45.799 That he starts running into people and decides that he 330 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.000 could take advantage of them. He ran into one overly 331 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.559 confident runaway, asked him for a cigarette, and being obliged, 332 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.839 this guy was then lured in, not only by the 333 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.319 prospect of having a place to say, Randy seduced him 334 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.400 with the idea that there may have been a lady 335 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.119 waiting at his apartment to take the young runaways virginity. 336 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.440 So they go up to pch in Belmont Shore, some wine, 337 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.680 some pot, a couple of pills handed out like juice 338 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:22.200 and candy until the kid was basically knocked out. Randy 339 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:25.000 took advantage of him. When the boy had a chance 340 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:28.279 to stumble into Belmont chores, he had nothing of They 341 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.720 said nothing of that attack, including a sexual assault, for 342 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:32.759 thirteen years. 343 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.160 He was so prolific and so active. 344 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:40.960 They're still connecting bodies to this guy in twenty twenty five. 345 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:42.720 We'll tell you about that when we come back. 346 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.400 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 347 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:48.480 AM six forty. 348 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:51.480 The first ticket to the NBA Conference Finals could be 349 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.440 punched tonight. Pacers can earn a spot when they take 350 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:58.319 on the Calves in Cleveland at seven pm. Eastern Pacers 351 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:00.319 lead that one three to one in the way to 352 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:02.839 the Oklahoma City Thunder hosts the Nuggets. 353 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:03.839 Pivotal Game five. 354 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.240 That series all tied up two games apiece tip off 355 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.039 at six thirty hour time. 356 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.799 Stocks rally today after this encouraging report that showed inflation 357 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.920 unexpectedly slowed across the country last month before we see 358 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:19.720 much of a bump from tariffs, if any. The Dow 359 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.839 started the day in very positive territory, but is down 360 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:24.880 about one hundred and ninety right now. S and P 361 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:28.480 five hundred and the Nasdaq are both in positive territory 362 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.720 with just a few minutes left in trading. 363 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:37.200 We are talking to or about the scorecard Killer, the 364 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.279 man who created a lot of terror in the seventies, 365 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:45.400 especially in the gay man community, as he would troll 366 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:47.440 the different gay bars. 367 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:50.319 Ended up fixating on marines. 368 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.759 Young gay men that he would drug and kill and 369 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.519 dump along the highways and byways. 370 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:56.799 Yeah. 371 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.400 One of the reasons why I'd never heard of this 372 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.519 guy is because the southern California landscape of serial killers 373 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.240 was rampant, shall we say, in the seventies, especially for 374 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.400 young men, especially for hitchhikers, because not only did you 375 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:13.880 have Randy Craft again, the so called scorecard killer, but 376 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.240 you had William Bonnen, you had Patrick Kearney, and their 377 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:24.799 killing spreees overlapped. They are credited is blamed, that's the 378 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.200 right word. They're blamed for at least one hundred and 379 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:32.799 fifty murders at different times. All of them were referred 380 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:36.640 to by the moniker the freeway killer because of the similarities. 381 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.400 So Patrick Kearney is caught in nineteen seventy seven, they 382 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:44.119 figure their detectives think they got their guy. Bodies keep 383 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.799 showing up. William Bonnan captured in nineteen eighty and they 384 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:52.839 figure they got their guy, but they continued. These bodies 385 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:57.799 kept piling up until Randy Craft was caught and again 386 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:00.559 we talked about that random traffic stop and nineteen eighty 387 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.000 three when he was caught on suspicion of drunk driving 388 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.200 with the corpse of our marine in the passenger seat. 389 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:10.519 But these stories, he's convicted of sixteen. 390 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:12.920 They believe that he had a list of more than 391 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:16.200 sixty in the car, hence the scorecard, but that they're 392 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:17.559 still finding victims. 393 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:21.559 Yes, they have identified recently a man who was found 394 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:24.559 dead along the highway up in Oregon more than forty 395 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:27.640 years ago that they now believed was the work of 396 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.960 the scorecard killer. Oregon State Police Captain Kyle Kennedy says 397 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.680 the man found identified as a thirty year old Larry 398 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:38.799 Eugene Parks, a Vietnam veteran whose family had lost contact 399 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.480 with him in seventy nine. His body was found in 400 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:46.880 July nineteen eighty along the five, a suburb of Marion County, Oregon. 401 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.920