Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm back. I am back. After a
Speaker 3: twenty one hour flight from Istanbul to San Francisco. I
Speaker 3: have returned. And yes, even though I slept upgraded to
Speaker 3: business class, I got to sleep a little bit. I'm
Speaker 3: still jet lagged, and you know, the time differences are
Speaker 3: really what gets me and a lot of other people.
Speaker 3: I even take the note jet lag from the New
Speaker 3: Zealand Homeopathy and you know that works a little bit.
Speaker 3: But you know, when you're flying and you're crossing time zones,
Speaker 3: it just catches up with you. So it takes me.
Speaker 3: It takes me about a week sometimes more to recover.
Speaker 3: And I'm getting older, yes, older and wiser. But I
Speaker 3: gotta tell you Turkey was fabulous. The museums are world class.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you the world the world class. You
Speaker 3: have the Romans, and you have the Greeks, and you
Speaker 3: have the Sumerians, and you have the Assyrians and you
Speaker 3: have so many Oh and then you have this uh
Speaker 3: go Beckley tepee and then you have Carahan teppee. It's like,
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on with these places? And
Speaker 3: you know the thing that I have to mention real
Speaker 3: quickly is that when you don't know something, you have
Speaker 3: to do the best you can. And the archaeologists who
Speaker 3: put together the uh Go Beckley Teppy and the Carahan
Speaker 3: Tippee exhibits did a wonderful job. But they portray the
Speaker 3: people as being cavemen, hairy, long hair, bear skins, and
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, if the weather is what we experience
Speaker 3: one hundred and two and above, they're not wearing bear skins.
Speaker 3: In fact, we don't even know. If we don't know
Speaker 3: what they look like, we have no clue because we
Speaker 3: have found no skeletal remain So Turkey is wonderful. We're
Speaker 3: gonna do it again and I'll talk more about it
Speaker 3: on Earth Ancients later in the week. But I gotta
Speaker 3: tell you it's impressive on a number of fronts. It's
Speaker 3: a real agriculturally rich country and they grow everything apples
Speaker 3: and oranges and dates and a whole variety of nuts
Speaker 3: and seeds. And this is of interest to me. I'm
Speaker 3: here in California and as a native, As a California native,
Speaker 3: I am well aware of the production of produced vegetables
Speaker 3: and seeds. California is a number one seed, I should
Speaker 3: say aman producer in the United States. But I was impressed.
Speaker 3: I was very much impressed. And the other thing, most
Speaker 3: of the people are Muslim. There's some Christians and there's
Speaker 3: I think, I don't know what else there is there,
Speaker 3: but the religious religion is dominated by and that means
Speaker 3: there are mosques everywhere. But would you believe they produce
Speaker 3: excellent wine. They produce almost a billion dollars a year
Speaker 3: in varietal grapes. And we had a chance to sample
Speaker 3: some of their wine. I tell you, the white wine
Speaker 3: cool Chartonnay on one hundred and two degree day was
Speaker 3: it's very very refreshing, very refreshing. For those of you
Speaker 3: that were on the tour with me, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. We got a couple of samples of
Speaker 3: their white wines, and boy were they good. We I
Speaker 3: brought a couple of ball bottles back. So what a
Speaker 3: great trip. We're gonna do it again if you're interested.
Speaker 3: Take a look at our schedule for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know if I want to
Speaker 3: go again on in August. I want to try to
Speaker 3: do it earlier in the year, so we're not baking
Speaker 3: in the sun because the sun's it's really tough on you,
Speaker 3: especially go Beck the Tippy and Kara Hand Tippy, which
Speaker 3: are out in the open. And I'm gonna talk more
Speaker 3: about karahand Teppy later in the week. I will also
Speaker 3: mention that Andrew Collins just released a book on Karahan
Speaker 3: Teppy and I'm really looking forward to to having him
Speaker 3: on the program in the next month and discussing what
Speaker 3: his beliefs are because this is a very odd, odd location,
Speaker 3: and I mean I've found so many anomalies. When we
Speaker 3: were there, we were restricted from shooting, from taking photographs
Speaker 3: of some of the new excavations, and but I mean
Speaker 3: there are strangeness everywhere. Why are they doing this? Why
Speaker 3: are they digging these trenches and making these observatories with
Speaker 3: these huge columns, carved columns. I mean, there's so much
Speaker 3: to understand and so much to try to extract from
Speaker 3: these sites. So anyhow, wonderful tour, and we'll talk more
Speaker 3: about it on the next Earth Ancients. Just to give
Speaker 3: you some insights. I do want to mention this though,
Speaker 3: if you are an Earth Ancients fan, go to Earth
Speaker 3: Ancients on Facebook and look at the galleries check out
Speaker 3: the museum pieces of these animals and these humans. I mean,
Speaker 3: they were definitely carved by Homo sapiens. They weren't aliens,
Speaker 3: they weren't unusual haminins humans. They were like you and me,
Speaker 3: except that they had some distinct traits that we just
Speaker 3: can't figure out at this moment. But check out the
Speaker 3: museums I posted. Also check out this monstrosity of a
Speaker 3: massive sculpture of Best, the god Best. What the hell
Speaker 3: was the God Best doing in Istanbul in the museum?
Speaker 3: The largest sculpture of Best ever discovered that I have
Speaker 3: know about. I mean, we know about the various temples
Speaker 3: to Best, the god of a child bearing, the god
Speaker 3: for women, the god of festivities, and he was a dwarf.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot to talk about. We'll talk about
Speaker 3: that some other time. Take a look at some of
Speaker 3: the galleries, and I'm going to be continually post galleries
Speaker 3: for the next couple of weeks, just because a lot
Speaker 3: of what we hear about is seen in the galleries.
Speaker 3: When you see these carvings, when you see these temples,
Speaker 3: when you see these museums, it gives you an impression
Speaker 3: that you know these these people that lived over twelve
Speaker 3: thousand years ago, were much more sophisticated than we're led
Speaker 3: to believe. So fantastic. All right, Well, today's program is
Speaker 3: with Jim Harold. He is the host of the Jim
Speaker 3: Harold Campfire and the Paranormal Podcast. We've just finished this
Speaker 3: interview and he's one of the earliest adapters of podcasting.
Speaker 3: And so the Paranormal podcast is almost twenty years old.
Speaker 3: I mean, here I am celebrating Earth Ancients and the
Speaker 3: ten year anniversary. He's almost twenty years in the saddle
Speaker 3: and millions of downloads. But what is unique about this
Speaker 3: interview is he has written the sixth volume of It's
Speaker 3: called the Ghost Stories Jim Harold's Campfire Volume six. And
Speaker 3: in these books, this is we're talking about the sixth book.
Speaker 3: Today we hear about not only the paranormal. We hear
Speaker 3: about alien interactions, and we hear about the different dimensions,
Speaker 3: the different realities, the different vibrations that we are a
Speaker 3: part of. We're not just here in our own reality
Speaker 3: when we pass over. And we've had people on the
Speaker 3: Destiny talking about what happens when we die, what does
Speaker 3: heaven look like? How do we transcend? We're gonna get
Speaker 3: a sense of these other realms today in a personal perspective,
Speaker 3: because each of the stories in these books or in
Speaker 3: the Ghost Stories book, is an individual's perspective and review
Speaker 3: of events that he or she had their family encountered
Speaker 3: and some of the unusual aspects of what it means
Speaker 3: to be human in here on planet Earth. So fun, fun, fun.
Speaker 3: So today's program is True Ghost Stories Jim Harald's Campfire,
Speaker 3: volume six, and my guest is author Jim Harold. You
Speaker 3: probably hear about all these amazing locations, these ancient sites
Speaker 3: we visit on Earth, ancients and here on Destiny, but
Speaker 3: I got to tell you there's nothing like being there
Speaker 3: in person. And we have a number of tours that
Speaker 3: we schedule every year, some in far lands like Turkey
Speaker 3: and Egypt, but some are closer to home, like Mexico.
Speaker 3: And we have a great tour coming up in November,
Speaker 3: the Sacred Mayan Temples of the Yucatan. It's November eighth
Speaker 3: through the seventeenth of this year, one week of intense exploration.
Speaker 3: This tour is designed for those of you who really
Speaker 3: want to connect with these ancient places, feel an affinity
Speaker 3: to the Maya, and just want to see a close
Speaker 3: and personal what a pyramid looks like, what it feels like,
Speaker 3: how you connect with them and the tolleric energy. For
Speaker 3: more information on our upcoming tour, go to Earth Ancients
Speaker 3: dot com, Forward slash Tours and look for the banner
Speaker 3: to Mexico. Got to tell you this is gonna be
Speaker 3: a good one. We're gonna be going to Ushmol, Titchenitza,
Speaker 3: Lobna Sayil and every place we go to. You can
Speaker 3: connect by sitting, by meditating, by connecting with these sacred locations.
Speaker 3: And there's nothing like climbing a Mayan pyramid and sitting
Speaker 3: at the very top and getting bathed in this wonderful energy. Again,
Speaker 3: come out and join us. It's November eight through the
Speaker 3: seventeenth of this year. Go to Earth Ancients dot com,
Speaker 3: Forward slash Tours and get all the information.
Speaker 2: And they.
Speaker 3: We have a fantastic guest this week. His name is
Speaker 3: Jim Harold. And you know we've been talking about dimensions.
Speaker 3: We talk about the Akashic Records. We speak on a
Speaker 3: number of paranormal subjects that are highlighted in the ancient
Speaker 3: cultures that we feature on Earth Ancients that kind of
Speaker 3: bleed into Destiny. And my guest today, Jim Harold, has
Speaker 3: written actually this is the sixth in a series of
Speaker 3: books that he has come out with called True ghost
Speaker 3: Stories Jim Harrold's Campfire Volume six. This is the sixth
Speaker 3: volume of these amazing topics. And we have Jim on
Speaker 3: the program today, and I'm really happy to have him
Speaker 3: on simply because we haven't had anybody talk about ghosts.
Speaker 3: We haven't had anybody talk about the other dimensions that
Speaker 3: bleed into our reality here. So Jim, welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 3: Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you, sir for allowing me to come on
Speaker 1: the program. And I agree, you know, even in the
Speaker 1: different things I do. I do some shows on ancient
Speaker 1: mysteries and things, and I think it's part of a
Speaker 1: bigger picture how our existence. It goes far beyond just
Speaker 1: the materialistic. There is the spiritual. They are the things
Speaker 1: that we don't quite understand, and maybe some of the
Speaker 1: ancient cultures were better able to understand these spear virtual realm.
Speaker 1: So I think it all ties together. It might not
Speaker 1: be obvious at first, but I do definitely think there
Speaker 1: is kind of a tie in there.
Speaker 3: No question talk a little bit about this podcast you do,
Speaker 3: the Jim Harold's Campfire and the Paranormal podcast. What what's
Speaker 3: the interest? Have you had events in your own personal
Speaker 3: life that kind of led you to develop a sense
Speaker 3: of interest and then kind of you became a I mean,
Speaker 3: you've been doing this a long time. So is this
Speaker 3: kind of like a they're a magnet to you. They
Speaker 3: begin sending to you their stories because they hear about
Speaker 3: other people or what's the deal here?
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, for me, my fascination and the
Speaker 1: paranormal goes back to the nineteen seventies when I was
Speaker 1: a little kid in elementary school and there's a TV
Speaker 1: show on called In Search of with Leonard Nimoy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and that kind of started for Plus, there were some
Speaker 1: great family stories that we had of things that had
Speaker 1: happened to family members, and I just kept right along
Speaker 1: following it on a parallel track. I ended up going
Speaker 1: into college for broadcasting, ended up working in the radio industry,
Speaker 1: but behind the scenes, not in front of the mic.
Speaker 1: Come to two thousand and five. You know, at that point,
Speaker 1: I've got a wife, still do two kids, and mortgage.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I could quit my day job in
Speaker 1: radio and go get in front of the mic in Paduca,
Speaker 1: Kentucky or somewhere. But I heard about this thing called podcasting,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna do a show on I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do a show on the paranormal. That's a subject
Speaker 1: I legitimately am interested in, and I think it'll hold
Speaker 1: my interest for a few months. Nineteen years later, it's
Speaker 1: still holding my interest. And so start with the Paranormal podcast,
Speaker 1: which is very much in the vein of like a
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM or something like that. It's very
Speaker 1: much an interview show with authors and experts. And then
Speaker 1: one week in two thousand, I didn't have a subject
Speaker 1: or a guest for the show, and I said, we'll
Speaker 1: do listener stories. And I did that once and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's a separate show. Yeah, total, So that's how I
Speaker 1: start with Jim Harold's Campfire. Now, you know, as you said,
Speaker 1: people are sending me their stories. So these books that
Speaker 1: we do, we still do the podcast free every week,
Speaker 1: ninety minutes every week every Thursday. It drops on all
Speaker 1: the podcast players, but we take the best of stories
Speaker 1: and we put them in these volumes and they'll have
Speaker 1: anywhere from sixty five to seventy stories per volume, and
Speaker 1: that's what we did with the latest one, and it's
Speaker 1: just another way to kind of codify those stories because
Speaker 1: I think people's stories are so important to get out
Speaker 1: there and enjoy doing it, and so far the audience
Speaker 1: seems to enjoy it, so it seems to be a
Speaker 1: win win.
Speaker 3: I have to congratulate you because you launched your first
Speaker 3: podcast in two thousand and five. We just celebrated ten
Speaker 3: years in podcasting with Earth Ancients. But you're you're a
Speaker 3: real foundational podcast. You're there in the beginning when you
Speaker 3: know you're probably using air buds and the mic for.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I used a headphone headset, you know. I
Speaker 1: think it was a thirty dollar I had a really
Speaker 1: not very good Windows computer and a thirty dollars headset
Speaker 1: and was stressing over home, We're going to pay this
Speaker 1: twenty dollars a month for podcast hosting, you know, and
Speaker 1: it worked out. I mean, I think sometimes I believe
Speaker 1: there is such a thing that we're faded to go
Speaker 1: down certain roads, and I think this was my road.
Speaker 1: So I'm very thankful to the audience. It's been a
Speaker 1: great trip and the cool thing is I'm still I mean,
Speaker 1: I literally just Cliff got off of a call with
Speaker 1: a caller that was a fantastic call for campfire right
Speaker 1: before this. I basically clicked off of that and clicked
Speaker 1: onto this, and I still find it interesting and I
Speaker 1: still find fascinating.
Speaker 3: That's the way to go talk about how the audience
Speaker 3: interacts with you. Because if this is the sixth volume
Speaker 3: in this value, you have sixty five specific stories, I
Speaker 3: would imagine the other five have an equal number of stories.
Speaker 3: How did you accumulate the stories? Are they calling in?
Speaker 3: Did you pick the best of the best of the
Speaker 3: best for each one? Because if you're doing podcasts every week,
Speaker 3: which you likely are, that's a lot of content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a lot of content. On the show.
Speaker 1: We're pretty open. In other words, well over ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the calls make the show. You know, there might
Speaker 1: be various reasons we wouldn't use a call, but most
Speaker 1: times the not we do. In the books, we are
Speaker 1: a little more selective. We try to pick We take
Speaker 1: usually a two year time span and say, let's pick
Speaker 1: the most compelling stories from that that two year period.
Speaker 1: And actually we had not done a book for a
Speaker 1: few years, so this only takes us through I think
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen or something, so we have I have enough
Speaker 1: right now where I could do six more books in
Speaker 1: no sweat without doing another podcast. But my plan, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to do this another ten or fifteen years
Speaker 1: at least, so by the time we get done, you know,
Speaker 1: knock on wood, we should have a pretty good compilation
Speaker 1: of spooky stories for future generations to check out.
Speaker 3: The books are well done, they're well edited, and I
Speaker 3: guess they're self published. You don't have I don't see
Speaker 3: a big publisher.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My first book was traditionally published and I got
Speaker 1: in an advance and all of that, and that was
Speaker 1: just about the time you know that you could do
Speaker 1: really high quality publishing under your own company. So you know,
Speaker 1: I high a designer to design the interior, to design
Speaker 1: the cover, so just like a publisher would do. That's
Speaker 1: what a publisher would do, right. I handled the writing,
Speaker 1: and in the various books, I've had some help with
Speaker 1: editing from different people. This last one my wife was
Speaker 1: a huge help. So yeah, I think this is just
Speaker 1: as you know, high qualities you would buy, you know,
Speaker 1: from a publisher. The only difference is is that you know,
Speaker 1: it supports our work and not some faceless publishers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is when you self publish, you
Speaker 3: get a larger percentage of the return.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, more of a payoff, which is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, when I did it the first time around,
Speaker 1: traditionally published, I was grateful. It was nice to see that.
Speaker 1: I thought, wait, this, this doesn't work. And actually the
Speaker 1: books have been far more successful since I've taken them independent.
Speaker 1: So and I think a lot of authors. I interview
Speaker 1: a lot of authors these days, and many of them
Speaker 1: are doing the same thing. I mean, if you're a
Speaker 1: big name, big name author that kind of thing, publishing
Speaker 1: through a traditional publisher, that makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: if you're Stephen King. But if you're in these niche
Speaker 1: topics and things, I think you know, doing it through
Speaker 1: your own company and so forth, I think that that
Speaker 1: makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I want to praise you in the
Speaker 3: selection of these stories, at least in this book six.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the other five, but you have taken
Speaker 3: in Native American, which you consider they're called First Nation people.
Speaker 3: You have and then all walks of life young and
Speaker 3: old people recollecting their youth, people in the advanced age,
Speaker 3: and everything and all above, which is kind of great.
Speaker 3: What does it mean for you when you say paranormal?
Speaker 3: I mean, I have my definition, But what's that mean
Speaker 3: for you?
Speaker 1: Well, I think unfortunately these days most people think it's
Speaker 1: all about ghosts. Yeah, and I think it's far broader
Speaker 1: than that. When I started to show the Paranormal podcast,
Speaker 1: I thought, it's going to encapsulate, kind of in the
Speaker 1: spirit of an in search of all of the unexplained ghosts, UFOs,
Speaker 1: cryptic creatures, maybe ancient mysteries, those kind of things as well.
Speaker 1: Now we do that on a separate plus podcast, but
Speaker 1: we did some of that in the early days, rob
Speaker 1: circles and things like that. So I mean, to me,
Speaker 1: it encapsulates the broad range of things that we don't
Speaker 1: understand via current science. So people say, oh, you do
Speaker 1: a show and ghosts, yeah, and UFOs, and so I'm
Speaker 1: kind of the big tenth philosophy. That's what the paranormal
Speaker 1: means to me.
Speaker 3: Excellent, And we mentioned at the very beginning that a
Speaker 3: lot of this our ancestors took in quite randomly, not randomly,
Speaker 3: but quite they accepted it on a more on a
Speaker 3: larger scale, things like speaking with the dead. We have
Speaker 3: Hispanic cultures raising Day of the Dead, where you're connecting
Speaker 3: with your dead relatives. We have speaking channeled information coming
Speaker 3: through people that was like the Greek Delphi channels. I mean,
Speaker 3: the sky's the limit, isn't it. In fact, you even
Speaker 3: have UFOs and we're going to talk about some UFO
Speaker 3: implants and some other things like that which are kind
Speaker 3: of funn So you really don't have any cutoff. You're
Speaker 3: like wide open for everything, aren't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that actually on the Campfire Show,
Speaker 1: I went into it with like a narrow perception, like
Speaker 1: most people would, Oh, they're just going to talk about
Speaker 1: ghost stories. Yeah, But then we get these stories of
Speaker 1: shadow people, we get these stories of doppelgangers, we get
Speaker 1: these stories of what I call head scratchers, things that
Speaker 1: don't fall into a specific category but make you go,
Speaker 1: what in the world just happened there? It's much broader.
Speaker 1: It's much broader than we give it credit for.
Speaker 3: I think, right before we start, do you believe there's
Speaker 3: other dimensions and it afterlife?
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe in an afterlife, and I'm open to
Speaker 1: the idea of other dimensions if we have time. There's
Speaker 1: a story in here that kind of gets to the
Speaker 1: idea of maybe another dimension or time slip or something
Speaker 1: along those lines. So I guess what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: after life. Absolutely, I don't believe this is it for
Speaker 1: a moment. I believe we go on in some fashion
Speaker 1: other dimensions. I think it's certainly possible, and even scientists,
Speaker 1: I think, are very open to that idea. I haven't
Speaker 1: learned a lot over the years, like I don't have.
Speaker 1: I think I was much more self assured when I started.
Speaker 1: You know, ghosts or dead people, UFOs represent aliens, fourth
Speaker 1: and so on. I'm less convinced of what things are,
Speaker 1: but I'm more convinced that they actually exist, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. There's a great quote I heard, and I
Speaker 1: don't know who to attribute it to. It was on
Speaker 1: one of our late guests Facebook page, Jim Willis. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you knew Jim.
Speaker 3: Or Willis just passed away.
Speaker 1: He was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to see him go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was fantastic. In fact, I just had
Speaker 1: a show posted a few days before he passed with him.
Speaker 1: Oh man, But I'd interviewed him numerous times, but he
Speaker 1: had a quote on his Facebook page and I don't
Speaker 1: know who said it, if it was a famous quote,
Speaker 1: but I love it. Not only is the universe stranger
Speaker 1: than we imagine, stranger than we can imagine. And it's
Speaker 1: for me that that nails it on the head because
Speaker 1: I think there is how much going on that we
Speaker 1: don't understand.
Speaker 3: You know, And I think our science, because they can't
Speaker 3: quantify or qualify it, tend to dismiss these paranormal events,
Speaker 3: which makes it really a challenge. I want to just
Speaker 3: mentioned real quickly. Jim Willis, Reverend Jim Willis was a
Speaker 3: regular on our show. What was odd is that his
Speaker 3: last book was on Near death Experience.
Speaker 1: I interviewed him on Near Death Experiences in May, played
Speaker 1: the show on a Tuesday in June, and I think
Speaker 1: he passed later that week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a jan his daughter let me know
Speaker 3: we did a special for Jim. So thanks for mentioning that.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of these amazing stories in your book.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go through a couple and then you
Speaker 3: can take over and give us a sense of what
Speaker 3: the experiencer was going through. This the first one is
Speaker 3: the final visitor.
Speaker 1: I'll read this from the book. Okay, it's okay, And
Speaker 1: this comes from Jebediah in Mississippi, and he said, I
Speaker 1: never really believed in the paranormal until we moved to
Speaker 1: New York. We lived in this old farmhouse and many
Speaker 1: strange things happened. While watching TV with my older brother
Speaker 1: in the living room, one night, we saw a full
Speaker 1: body apparition. It was walking from the dining room into
Speaker 1: the kitchen. A few years later, I became a certified
Speaker 1: nursing assistant. I was working at a nursing home in
Speaker 1: upstate New York. At first I didn't find anything unusual,
Speaker 1: but after a year I noticed that residents would often
Speaker 1: see a little girl in the room with them whenever
Speaker 1: they were about to pass. We'd be there on a
Speaker 1: night shift and patient would hit the call button. We'd
Speaker 1: answered and they said, someone come get this little girl
Speaker 1: out of my room. Unfortunately, after seeing the little girl,
Speaker 1: the person would pass in two or three days. During
Speaker 1: my duties, I went from one building to another. I'd
Speaker 1: be in the standard unit and then they'd have a
Speaker 1: violent male patient in the lockdown unit and they'd call me.
Speaker 1: I'm six foot three and two hundred and sixty pounds.
Speaker 1: Usually the patient would settle down. When I walked into
Speaker 1: the room one night, it was about two o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I was called because a patient had
Speaker 1: and this is very unfortunate, but apparently they had beaten
Speaker 1: up a female certified nursing assistant. So Jebediah had to
Speaker 1: sit with the resident until everything was resolved. Jebbadiah said,
Speaker 1: on his way there, he noticed a little girl clear
Speaker 1: as day, and he was trying to figure out why
Speaker 1: she would be in this unit, so he followed her
Speaker 1: a little bit. She went down a stairway that he
Speaker 1: knew led to nowhere. He opened the door and the
Speaker 1: girl was gone. He said, I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was the same girl as the dying residence saw. I
Speaker 1: couldn't make out her feet sure as I just saw
Speaker 1: her silhouette. I went and sat down for a while
Speaker 1: with this man. On my way back to the floor,
Speaker 1: I saw the girl again. Jebedih said it was on
Speaker 1: his floor this time, and she entered one of the
Speaker 1: residence rooms. So Jebediah followed her into the room and
Speaker 1: the patient who had been there had passed. Yeah, she said,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say this little girl may have
Speaker 1: been an angel of death because I noticed that every
Speaker 1: time someone would die, no matter what floor, if there
Speaker 1: was someone close to death, there was a report of
Speaker 1: a little girl in the room. Jebedih said, maybe she
Speaker 1: was shepherding these people over to the other side, because
Speaker 1: whenever she was around, if the patient was stressed, they
Speaker 1: immediately calmed down and started relaxing. She seemed to help
Speaker 1: them find peace. So I don't know what that that signifies,
Speaker 1: but it seems to be some kind of sign of
Speaker 1: im pending death, almost like a grim reaper, but not
Speaker 1: as heavy handed. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I hear these stories of people as they are ready
Speaker 3: to pass there, you know, terminal or they're ready to
Speaker 3: pass over, and they see friends and they've seen people
Speaker 3: they've known. And what's unique about this story is that
Speaker 3: this is a you know, angel of death, you could
Speaker 3: call her that. But she's a young, innocent sounding little
Speaker 3: girl who shows up and we don't really know if
Speaker 3: she's talking to these people before they transition into the
Speaker 3: death or not, but that they can be seen by
Speaker 3: those who are not transitioning is kind of a sign
Speaker 3: or a revelation that this is what happens when we
Speaker 3: begin to transition over and eventually who knows what she helps,
Speaker 3: This little girl helps people through the white light through
Speaker 3: the tunnel. The death scenario that we always hear about
Speaker 3: near death experience. Fantastic story really, And.
Speaker 1: The thing about that is that's something that fascinates near
Speaker 1: these death bed kind of visitations, deathbed experiences and many
Speaker 1: times the last words of people. And I'll give you
Speaker 1: example Steve Jobs, who I don't think exactly was maybe
Speaker 1: extremely religious or anything like that, but they said as
Speaker 1: he was about to pass, he looked off towards I
Speaker 1: think the corner of the room, which is very common.
Speaker 1: The people passed, they look at the corner of room,
Speaker 1: and he was saying, oh wow, oh wow, oh wow,
Speaker 1: like he was seeing something very meaningful. And I think
Speaker 1: Thomas said and a lot of people called him the
Speaker 1: Thomas Edison of his day, Thomas. I think it was
Speaker 1: Thomas Edison who said it's very beautiful over there his
Speaker 1: death bed words, which are interesting because he was working
Speaker 1: on the telephone to the dead. So I've as found
Speaker 1: those kind of revelations of people calling out to loved one.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was one story in the campfire very
Speaker 1: similar where an older gentleman was you know, in the
Speaker 1: hospital and wasn't thought to be anything. You know, it
Speaker 1: was serious, but it wasn't life threatening. And he was
Speaker 1: telling his family of this young woman who would come
Speaker 1: to visit him like the last two or three days
Speaker 1: of his life, and nobody knew who the young woman was.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they got a phone
Speaker 1: call he had passed away. And it sounds like it
Speaker 1: was almost like an angel of death. I think this
Speaker 1: was a little bit older person.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't really know enough about this, this thing,
Speaker 3: this transition to the afterlife, but I heard I've heard
Speaker 3: this for years and years and years that there's always someone,
Speaker 3: you know, someone that's there to help you transition from
Speaker 3: physical into the soul or the spirit. And uh, you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's probably a whole prerequisite for this kind of
Speaker 3: transition that we're not paying attention to because we don't know.
Speaker 3: And the ancients seem to know that. The Egyptians wrote
Speaker 3: the Book of the Dead that has some passages about transition, transitioning.
Speaker 3: The Sumerians had the same thing. And then there's there's
Speaker 3: a Native Americans first nation people who are always working
Speaker 3: with the afterlife, so we're just not paying enough attention
Speaker 3: to this. I agree.
Speaker 1: And one of my favorite interviews I've done, and I've
Speaker 1: interviewed him two or three times, doctor Raymond Raymond Moody,
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating, and he invented the term near death experience,
Speaker 1: and most recently, and I think it was towards the
Speaker 1: end of the last year, I talked to him about
Speaker 1: shared death experiences where people, you know, maybe somebody's dying
Speaker 1: and they see them halfway across the country, or they're
Speaker 1: present and they see, you know, they see things as
Speaker 1: the person's transitioning over. I think he's done amazing work,
Speaker 1: and near death experiences to me, are absolutely fascinating. Piece
Speaker 1: of all of this too.
Speaker 3: I would think that you would have worked with his
Speaker 3: most famous patient, Danian Brinkley.
Speaker 1: On your Showew Danion.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, And here's here's a poor guy. I
Speaker 3: think he's been hit with lightning three or four different
Speaker 3: times and died and he's written multiple books on his experience.
Speaker 3: But wow, what a way to go. He's still with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank goodness. But that was quite he was
Speaker 1: quite a guest, quite a guest that It's been a
Speaker 1: number of years ago, but I do remember interviewing Danian.
Speaker 1: Very interesting guy, fantastic.
Speaker 3: Let's move over to a subject that I am fascinated with,
Speaker 3: which is in the title of this story, is the
Speaker 3: Podagris paranormal past and makes I'm gonna we'll talk about
Speaker 3: it or are you going to read about You're going
Speaker 3: to read this one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you some Let's take you through it.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about at the end, because I've had a
Speaker 3: number over the years as a program director for conferences,
Speaker 3: a number of experts talk about implants and a whole
Speaker 3: different science behind those. But go ahead and read the story.
Speaker 1: Sure, this actually happened to one of our listeners, Kate
Speaker 1: from Missouri, And when she was nine or ten years old,
Speaker 1: she had a very good friend who had this leg injury.
Speaker 1: She had a knee brace and she was getting all
Speaker 1: this attention at school. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Kate started to get this extremely sharp pain in her foot.
Speaker 1: It was impacting the way she walked, she was wearing
Speaker 1: out her shoes and all these things. But when she
Speaker 1: went to the school nurse, they thought, oh, she's just
Speaker 1: looking for attention. She wants to be like her friend.
Speaker 1: This kept on and she was walking on side of
Speaker 1: her foot she said, was almost turning into something like
Speaker 1: a club foot. So finally her parents thought, well, she
Speaker 1: may be being dramatic, but let's get this uh checked out.
Speaker 1: So they did. They took her to school to the
Speaker 1: er and they examined her. Nothing from the outside appeared
Speaker 1: to be wrong with the foot at all, very strong,
Speaker 1: good health, no cuts, no bruises, no scars, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: But they said, you know what, let's just give her
Speaker 1: a precaution x rays a precaution. So she went in
Speaker 1: and got the went in and got the x ray
Speaker 1: and they're sitting in the weight room with her dad
Speaker 1: for the results, and the doctor calls for her dad.
Speaker 1: Her dad comes back and has a ghost white expression
Speaker 1: on his face and Kate says, what is it? What
Speaker 1: did he say? And Kate's dad said, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: explain it to you because I really don't know what
Speaker 1: it is. The doctor asked her, do you remember stepping
Speaker 1: on anything? Kate says, no, I don't. Kate says, as
Speaker 1: a child, she was not big about going around barefoot.
Speaker 1: She aws war shoes. And the doctor said, well, there's
Speaker 1: something in your foot and it's quite large. He showed
Speaker 1: him the x ray, or Kate the x ray. The
Speaker 1: metallic object was inside her big toe and it was
Speaker 1: almost as long as the toe itself. Remember, she hadn't
Speaker 1: remember spending stepping on anything. There is no marks where
Speaker 1: could have got in, no scars, no puncture wounds, nothing.
Speaker 1: They had no idea what it was. Now, she being
Speaker 1: a kid, said hey, once it comes out, can I
Speaker 1: have it? And they're like sure. Well she goes in
Speaker 1: for the surgery and she gets home, she's like, well,
Speaker 1: where's the thing they took out of my foot? She
Speaker 1: never saw it. She never saw it. So anyway, the
Speaker 1: thing was is the mom said. They showed it to me,
Speaker 1: and it looked like a very flattened probably at least
Speaker 1: one inch long needle from an old phonograph record layer
Speaker 1: one inch. Could you imagine having a one inch needle
Speaker 1: in your foot and walking on it every day out
Speaker 1: So again, at the follow up doctor's appointment, they'd asked
Speaker 1: what had happened to it. They sent it to be
Speaker 1: processed by the pathology lab because they had no idea
Speaker 1: what it was, and they won't send it back once
Speaker 1: it's there, it's gone. So she said, you know again,
Speaker 1: you can see the incision scar from the surgery. At
Speaker 1: the time of this story, she was thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: You could still see that, but no other punctures, holes,
Speaker 1: or cuts where the object originally entered. She said, nothing
Speaker 1: scared her as a kid, movies, Hollywood, fakeery, none of it.
Speaker 1: But she said, the odd thing was about a year
Speaker 1: before her she remembered walking to a bookstore and seeing
Speaker 1: the cover of Whitley Streeber's Communion. And if you remember that,
Speaker 1: I remember that cover, the alien gray with the big the.
Speaker 3: Most scary illustration of a gray.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And she said again she wasn't scared by any
Speaker 1: this stuff usually, but in this case, she said, terrified
Speaker 1: her to her core. She cannot tell you why. She
Speaker 1: was absolutely terrified of grays. She said, that's it, in
Speaker 1: a nutshell. She doesn't remember anything when this could have happened,
Speaker 1: or what caused it. She said that a few years
Speaker 1: back someone turned her on to a website about alien implants,
Speaker 1: and you know, she thinks that could be a possibility.
Speaker 1: She said someone had told her that there was a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that there have been a program to tract
Speaker 1: children who were born between nineteen sixty eight up until
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. She was born in seventy nine, so
Speaker 1: that's a strange who's yeah, who knows, who knows. But
Speaker 1: the kind of the odd thing about this is she
Speaker 1: had a series of times she was sleepwalking before all
Speaker 1: this happened, which she thought was kind of odd. And
Speaker 1: the other little weird thing that happened she grew up
Speaker 1: to be a pediatrist, so that grenasty. I guess the
Speaker 1: question is could she have been the victim of an
Speaker 1: alien implant? Because I think she's thinking, how else would
Speaker 1: something like that get in there? I didn't step on anything.
Speaker 3: Why would in your estimation, why wouldn't they give the
Speaker 3: implant or the object to her or her parents?
Speaker 1: Well, it could be a case of just Ockham's razor.
Speaker 1: It's like we're not going to bother sending this back,
Speaker 1: or it could be something more sinister, like we're not
Speaker 1: gonna send this back. This looks like it it's of
Speaker 1: some nefarious h origin. So I guess your guess is
Speaker 1: as good as mine. But I guess what I would
Speaker 1: say is is that it's at least thought provoking. I've
Speaker 1: always been interested in this idea of alien implants. I
Speaker 1: can't say that I've been convinced. I know there's people
Speaker 1: who can say I have an alien implant, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't rule out that possibility. I like to keep an
Speaker 1: open mind.
Speaker 3: Years ago, and we both remember Art Bell Coast to coast.
Speaker 3: He had a podiatrist on and I can't think of
Speaker 3: the guy's name. He was la Los Angeles Base.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know who you're talking about. I don't remember
Speaker 1: his name.
Speaker 3: But helely did surgeries for the removal of implants in
Speaker 3: people's feet, in their neck, in their arms, in their hands.
Speaker 3: And the way you described this implant is very similar
Speaker 3: to what these other people were experiencing, which is very
Speaker 3: thin pieces of metal in various portions of the body.
Speaker 3: And when they were able to extract them and analyze them,
Speaker 3: the medals were very exotic, sometimes not even from Earth,
Speaker 3: and he was he eventually passed away, but I think
Speaker 3: that when he had them analyzed and he began to
Speaker 3: make a name for himself, the men in Black or
Speaker 3: these certain strange agencies from NASA would show up and
Speaker 3: began kind of following him around. So I don't remember
Speaker 3: what the end story was, But.
Speaker 1: I remember, I don't remember the name, but I know
Speaker 1: who you're talking about. I think I even remember watching
Speaker 1: watching a documentary about him, so I know who you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, there was gentlemen. He did this with
Speaker 1: a lot of people and claimed that he got some
Speaker 1: very interesting results.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could spend a whole show on people like
Speaker 3: Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs, John Mack who were the abduction
Speaker 3: authors and study the phenomenon for years and written about
Speaker 3: it in various books. And I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is still going on or not, And I have to
Speaker 3: think that it is, because just because these people that
Speaker 3: passed on doesn't mean it has stopped. It's just that
Speaker 3: we're not getting reporting on it anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, David Jacobs I interviewed. Unfortunately I did not
Speaker 1: get to interview John Mack or but I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned Bud Hopkins. Yeah, yeah, but I have interviewed people
Speaker 1: who work closely with Bud Hopkins, like Peter Robbins, as
Speaker 1: I came people like that, but I did not get Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I did not get too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Years ago, I was a program director here in
Speaker 3: San Francisco for a conference called Whole Life Expo, and
Speaker 3: I created a group, a sub track of programs with
Speaker 3: people like John Mack, Bud Hopkins was a regular, David
Speaker 3: Jacobs showed up a couple of times. But we even
Speaker 3: had people like Zacharazzitchen, Eric Vonda the Ancient Alien at
Speaker 3: the President Alien.
Speaker 1: You know, so I did get to interview Eric Vondan
Speaker 1: and a couple of times. I've gotten an interview interesting,
Speaker 1: very very.
Speaker 3: Very interesting guy. We're going to take a short commercial
Speaker 3: break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we
Speaker 3: will return shortly with my guest today Jim Harold in
Speaker 3: his new book True Ghost Stories, Volume six. We'll be
Speaker 3: right back. My guest today is podcast host Jim Harold,
Speaker 3: who has written his sixth edition of True Ghost Stories.
Speaker 3: These are all types of phenomenon, ghosts, UFOs, and other
Speaker 3: paranormal activities from various people around the world. All right,
Speaker 3: let's move on. The next one is called the Empty Chair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't goodment. I love this one because it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a little bit of lore and the
Speaker 1: cool thing about Campby here it's not just the US.
Speaker 1: We get people from the UK, a lot of people
Speaker 1: from the UK. It's not uncommon that we don't have
Speaker 1: a couple of ca on a particular show from the UK.
Speaker 1: We get in Australia and other countries, but UK and
Speaker 1: Australia are two of our biggest of course, you know
Speaker 1: the majority. I think our listenership's about eighty percent US
Speaker 1: and the rest is international, but still we get some
Speaker 1: great support from over there. Well, this was from Lale
Speaker 1: in Australia, and this was a family story. It was
Speaker 1: a grandmother story. And even though her at the time
Speaker 1: of this being told, which is probably about ten years ago,
Speaker 1: but her grandma was in her nineties and she still
Speaker 1: remembered this story well and still swore by it. And
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifties Lale's grandmother built a house with her
Speaker 1: husband in the west of Melbourne. The area is very
Speaker 1: industrial and working class and always has been now. Her
Speaker 1: grandma apparently hated cooking, but loved to host dinner parties
Speaker 1: for some reason for social interaction. And one night she
Speaker 1: decided to have a party and one of the guests
Speaker 1: was a clairvoyant, but they didn't broadcast that she was
Speaker 1: a clairvoyant, but she was there so anyway, everyone started
Speaker 1: arriving and Laye's Grandmother opened the front door. Some people
Speaker 1: go wandering the party, and after the house had filled up,
Speaker 1: she counted them and said, I think everyone's here. And
Speaker 1: she heard someone walk into the hallway and thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I must have invited an extra person I've forgotten about.
Speaker 1: She peered around the hallway, though around the corner no
Speaker 1: one was there. She thought, no, it was just my imagination.
Speaker 1: She started handing out drinks. Now it was a full house,
Speaker 1: so all the seats in the lounge room were occupied
Speaker 1: except for one chair in the corner. Someone was standing
Speaker 1: in front of the fireplace and Grandmother said, take a seat.
Speaker 1: You don't have to stand. She figured they'd take the
Speaker 1: empty chair. They did not. The guest said, oh no,
Speaker 1: don't worry about I'll stand. I'll feel like. Everyone had
Speaker 1: their drinks and wandered into the dining area for the meal.
Speaker 1: It was a lovely time. The guests were laughing and happy.
Speaker 1: After the meal was finished, everyone returned again to that
Speaker 1: lounge room to have coffee. Same thing. All the seats
Speaker 1: were occupied except for the same empty chair in the corner,
Speaker 1: and a single guest was standing choosing not to sit.
Speaker 1: Grandmother said, sit down, don't stand. The guest responded, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to stand. Grandmother thought that's a little bit odd.
Speaker 1: The evening round up and the guests eventually left, except
Speaker 1: for the clairvoid woman, who stayed behind to help do
Speaker 1: the dishes and clean up. The mystic said, you know,
Speaker 1: you had an extra guest tonight at the dinner party.
Speaker 1: And my grandmother said, what do you mean? She stated, well,
Speaker 1: you had a sailor. You know that chair in the corner,
Speaker 1: the one that no one would sit in. He'd been
Speaker 1: sitting in that chair all night long. According to the Clairvoint,
Speaker 1: this ghost sailor died quickly in violently on the docks. Apparently,
Speaker 1: when that happens, the spirit will often wander around for
Speaker 1: a couple of days, not realizing what happened, sort of
Speaker 1: in a days wondering where am I what happened? They
Speaker 1: don't know that they're dead, and I've heard that before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the clearvoint said, that's what happened with this ghost guest.
Speaker 1: He was wandering the streets and saw the house was
Speaker 1: full of happy people having a good time, so he
Speaker 1: wandered in, sat down and joined the party. She said
Speaker 1: he was there the whole time until everyone left, and
Speaker 1: I quietly told him he had actually passed and he
Speaker 1: should move on, and he did. The Fact that my
Speaker 1: grandmother vividly remembers this story and stands by it till
Speaker 1: this day, so many years later, years later, really says
Speaker 1: something to me. It really happened. Now. The thing to
Speaker 1: me is is that, I mean, the clearvoyant could have
Speaker 1: made all that up, right, But why did no one
Speaker 1: sit in that chair? They were like avoiding that chair
Speaker 1: even though there was clearly no one in it.
Speaker 3: So maybe they didn't see it. But maybe on some
Speaker 3: sensory level.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking, Yes.
Speaker 3: Sit there because there's somebody, some other energy there.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: That's a great story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I you know, some of these stories really
Speaker 1: resonate with me, and I love the family stories. Those
Speaker 1: are all great.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know. The other thing about that is if
Speaker 3: the sailor apparently had just passed recently and he was
Speaker 3: between the world, between the physical reality and the spirit reality.
Speaker 3: And I've heard these stories of this limbo and it
Speaker 3: does take somebody who's sensitive to that to help them
Speaker 3: see the light, see the light, go to the light.
Speaker 3: I think there's been some movies like that, Go to
Speaker 3: the Light, Go to the Light, and we don't know
Speaker 3: what the hell that means because it's a whole different
Speaker 3: science involved in all this. But this poor guy just
Speaker 3: wanted some comfort to be around physical and then she
Speaker 3: helped him transition. So, you know, there's so many things
Speaker 3: we don't know about death or passing over, and these
Speaker 3: stories are wonderful to give us a sense of just
Speaker 3: what happens when we do leave our body. So that
Speaker 3: was a good one. Yeah, Okay, here's another one. His
Speaker 3: name was Cripped, and this is a First Nation story
Speaker 3: name of a perk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is. This is a scary one. I'll
Speaker 1: just this one is a little easier to read directly,
Speaker 1: I think. Ahem, his name was Crypped and our caller
Speaker 1: let me pull that up for you. Corey from Canada.
Speaker 1: In Canada, indigenous people are called First Nations. So I'm
Speaker 1: a First Nations man and grew up on a reservation
Speaker 1: called blood vein First Nation, a name which I find
Speaker 1: pretty creepy. That's what Corey says. One evening when I
Speaker 1: was six, I was sleeping in my bed with my
Speaker 1: one year old brother. It was boiling in the summer,
Speaker 1: and it was common for homes on the reservations to
Speaker 1: leave windows and doors open. We didn't have a bedroom
Speaker 1: door in my room. The lights to the washroom lit
Speaker 1: up the hallway. This particular night, I couldn't fall asleep,
Speaker 1: and I would doze off and just wake back up.
Speaker 1: I was fed up with not falling asleep, so I
Speaker 1: opened my eyes and I saw something in my bedroom
Speaker 1: that I wished I hadn't and immediately struck me as odd.
Speaker 1: I sat up in my bed and saw a person
Speaker 1: standing in front of the doorway. The figure was very short,
Speaker 1: three or four feet tall. Wow. I realized something was off.
Speaker 1: A bald little man was standing in front of my door,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't make out his features. I could see
Speaker 1: his silhouette, and I knew a solid mass was there.
Speaker 1: Corey says, the man started transforming right in front of me.
Speaker 1: Two braids began growing out of his head. That's when
Speaker 1: I became terrified. I called for my mom, she was
Speaker 1: outside on the deck with a family mem I began
Speaker 1: shouting while this little man was starting to change form.
Speaker 1: Mom called back, telling me to go to sleep. I
Speaker 1: felt helpless. What can he do when Mom or Dad
Speaker 1: won't come to your rescue. Well, the little man didn't
Speaker 1: say a thing. He didn't come towards me, but stood
Speaker 1: there and transformed. He was horrible to look at. I
Speaker 1: could make out some facial features. This was not a
Speaker 1: shadow person. I thought he looked like a bean. The
Speaker 1: best idea I could think of was to turn on
Speaker 1: the lights. I was terrified. The problem was the lights,
Speaker 1: which was at the doorway next to h Yeah. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to disturb my sleeping brother, and I didn't
Speaker 1: want him to see what I was seeing. I ran
Speaker 1: towards this little man and he didn't move. When I
Speaker 1: turned the light on, he disappeared. I ran outside and
Speaker 1: immediately suffered an asthma attack. I tried to explain to
Speaker 1: my mother what had just happened, and since this house
Speaker 1: had a lot of paranormal history, she believed me. Mom
Speaker 1: could tell I had experienced something. Since that was my
Speaker 1: first supernatural experience, I didn't know what to think. Corey
Speaker 1: says for a long time after, I didn't see or
Speaker 1: hear anything unusual. Then a couple of years later, I
Speaker 1: had a dream and I was sitting around a fire
Speaker 1: next to my house with the entire family. I could
Speaker 1: see someone walking toward the fire from the forest. I
Speaker 1: was horrified when I saw who it was. It was
Speaker 1: the Little Mare. He came and sat next to me.
Speaker 1: It went from a dream of a faniily gathering to
Speaker 1: a vivid nightmare. All I recall is the man telling
Speaker 1: me his name. It was Crypt. I shared this experience
Speaker 1: when I woke up. My family realized how traumatic this
Speaker 1: was for me. My grandmother knew about the little Man
Speaker 1: because she had an experience herself with Crypt, as did
Speaker 1: my uncle. Eventually, my mother told us to pack our
Speaker 1: things and we did. She was convinced the house was
Speaker 1: at the root of these negative experiences. We left the
Speaker 1: reservation for the city. The last part of My city
Speaker 1: is what terrified verified it all for me. At this point,
Speaker 1: I was eight or nine years old, and as I'm
Speaker 1: now living in the city, I'd fallen asleep on the
Speaker 1: floor in front of my TV. My mother, as well
Speaker 1: as some other family members were sleeping in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: I remember standing outside my body and watching myself sleep.
Speaker 1: The television just had white static, otherwise the room was dark.
Speaker 1: The next thing I remember was seeing the little Man again,
Speaker 1: and he was tiptoeing towards my sleeping body on the floor,
Speaker 1: and I was watching this and I wasn't sure what
Speaker 1: to do. I was unable to wake up, and I
Speaker 1: was starting to see the details of this man. For
Speaker 1: some reason, his hair was in a bun on top
Speaker 1: of his head, so his hair was different, and he
Speaker 1: was wearing a wing cloth. His skin looked like burned charcoal,
Speaker 1: like a burned log. It was terrifying. He's tiptoeing towards
Speaker 1: my sleeping body, and I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: The next thing I knew right before he got to
Speaker 1: my body and the floor. I woke up. All I
Speaker 1: recall is being lifted off the ground by my mother
Speaker 1: and cousin, and they were hysterical. I was crying, and
Speaker 1: after I calmed down, I asked why they were freaking out.
Speaker 1: I explained, I thought that I'd had a nightmare where
Speaker 1: this little man was tiptoeing towards my body. I wish
Speaker 1: they hadn't told me the next part. They said they
Speaker 1: were watching exactly what I'd described. They explained, I was
Speaker 1: asleep on the floor outside my body watching what they
Speaker 1: were watching. I described the man in complete detail, the loincloth,
Speaker 1: the skin, his hair, and how he's walking. That description
Speaker 1: matched up precisely with what they saw. It was not
Speaker 1: a nightmare. What I described really happened. They weren't sure
Speaker 1: what to do, but they turned the light on and
Speaker 1: he disappeared, and that's when they came and grabbed me
Speaker 1: from the floor and I woke up. At the time,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what astral projection was. Later I learned
Speaker 1: more and realized I had actually experienced it. By the
Speaker 1: time I was ten, my little sister was a newborn.
Speaker 1: One evening, I was watching her. I had her in
Speaker 1: a baby cradle. Next time to my bed. The room
Speaker 1: was pitch black, and then I heard footstore steps approaching
Speaker 1: my bed. I instantly recognized the little man's voice. He
Speaker 1: was talking to me, telling me this would be my
Speaker 1: last time seeing him. He added that eventually my little
Speaker 1: sister would start seeing him. That was the last time
Speaker 1: I ever had any interaction with the little man. I
Speaker 1: never saw him again. He was saying goodbye. Corey says
Speaker 1: he believes that spirits are real, but I feel the
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences are often a product of the mind. However,
Speaker 1: as a small child, I don't see any way I
Speaker 1: could have manifested Crypt. The little Man having validation of
Speaker 1: multiple witnesses and generations shaped a different view of the
Speaker 1: physical world for me. I have one last note. The
Speaker 1: house where I first saw crypt had a long paranormal
Speaker 1: history and was built on top of a rock. Traditionally speaking,
Speaker 1: this is where First Nations people would have ceremonies. I
Speaker 1: don't want to attribute these experiences to a specific theory. Still,
Speaker 1: I think the little Man may have been a spirit,
Speaker 1: possibly from another dimension. And that's the story.
Speaker 3: That's amazing story, now, you know, it's funny. When I
Speaker 3: first read this, I thought this is either a classic
Speaker 3: gray alien or it is actually an apparition or a
Speaker 3: dimensional being. But one of my interests in this, and
Speaker 3: maybe you can shed some light on it. Is he
Speaker 3: speaking to him telepathically or are his lips moving and
Speaker 3: he's talking to the boy?
Speaker 1: I think looking at this again, and it's been quite
Speaker 1: a few years since I heard the original story, but
Speaker 1: we changed. This story is very little, just for grammatical
Speaker 1: purposes to read well, but we don't add facts. I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, he never said I don't believe he said
Speaker 1: any here that he wasn't speaking with him out loud,
Speaker 1: so I guess it could go either way. I had
Speaker 1: not thought about that, but it sounds like he was
Speaker 1: literally talking to him. But maybe it was telepathic, because
Speaker 1: obviously many times we hear that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: And you get a number of UFO alien stories. What
Speaker 3: would you say would be the best way to categorize
Speaker 3: this experience an alien interaction? Or is it a dimensional
Speaker 3: being that he's guessing at since he's wear This being's
Speaker 3: wearing a loincloth, which may be an ancestor from earlier
Speaker 3: generations or something.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wonder if these might have a similar roots
Speaker 1: and whatever's behind it is presenting themselves in a culturally
Speaker 1: understood way. Yes, do you see what I'm saying? So
Speaker 1: maybe whatever these beings are, this is just a theory.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the one that I would tell you tomorrow,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying one theory is that it all
Speaker 1: has similar roots, but the beings, whatever they are, present
Speaker 1: them in a way that the person can understand. So
Speaker 1: maybe for this boy it was something that fit with
Speaker 1: his culture, whereas maybe if someone who was steeped in
Speaker 1: the UFO or maybe it would have presented as an
Speaker 1: alien gray or maybe someone else it would have presented
Speaker 1: as a ghost. And the reason I think of things
Speaker 1: like that is because of something like Skinwalker Ranch and
Speaker 1: the hitchhiker effect and the whole idea that people are
Speaker 1: investigating UFOs and then they have traditional paranormal activities at
Speaker 1: their home. You know, So is the root of this stuff?
Speaker 1: You know? And that's the thing anytime you talk about
Speaker 1: this stuff, Cliff, you go down that rabbit hole. You
Speaker 1: go down that rabbit hole. I do have one quick request,
Speaker 1: because I know we're growing. Can I tell the mysterious
Speaker 1: Missus Raspberry story? That's my favorite.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and finish up with that. I know
Speaker 3: your time is limited, so go ahead and finish her.
Speaker 1: Well that one, because I think it kind of says
Speaker 1: something about the nature of what's going on. So this
Speaker 1: was Jennifer from Idaho and when she was growing up
Speaker 1: Pern her friend Connie used to go on little tracks.
Speaker 1: You know, they'd have little adventures. It was the eighties,
Speaker 1: before cell phones. It was a different, more innocent time.
Speaker 1: So anyway, they would go off and you know, they'd
Speaker 1: be gone all day, do their little adventure and then
Speaker 1: come back home. This particular day, they said, we're going
Speaker 1: to go down the abandoned railroad tracks down to the lake.
Speaker 1: So they walked down a few miles to the lake.
Speaker 1: But on the way they come to this clearing and
Speaker 1: then there's these old houses, if you old houses, and
Speaker 1: there's a lady in a house dress putting up her clothing,
Speaker 1: and there's a raspberry bush. And this lady starts talking
Speaker 1: to the girls and she's very nice, couldn't be sweeter.
Speaker 1: And she strikes up a conversation and she say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, would you like some raspberry So they said sure,
Speaker 1: So they hold out their shirts like little baskets and
Speaker 1: she puts raspberries in and Jennifer said that they actually
Speaker 1: got stings on the shirts. I'm sure their moms weren't
Speaker 1: happy about that, and ate their raspberries. And they went
Speaker 1: about their way to the lake, had a great day
Speaker 1: at the lake, had fun headed on the way back. Now, Cliff,
Speaker 1: important to tell you the track went one way in,
Speaker 1: one way out. There were no parallel tracks or no
Speaker 1: cross tracks. It was a straight shot. They come back
Speaker 1: to the section where the clearing would have been. There's
Speaker 1: no clearing there, there's no houses there, there's no woman there,
Speaker 1: there's no raspberry bush there. She goes home, and I
Speaker 1: guess a little while later, a few days later, she's
Speaker 1: talking to her grandma. Jennifer is and says, hey, Grandma,
Speaker 1: you know this weird thing happened. She explains what happened.
Speaker 1: So there are houses over there, and she said, well
Speaker 1: there used to be houses over there in the twenties
Speaker 1: before the railroads were built. Uh So, anyway, Jennifer, a
Speaker 1: year before or so, she was on campfire. She was
Speaker 1: talking to her friend that she experiences with and she
Speaker 1: laid out the story and she said, am I remembering
Speaker 1: it correctly? Is this something I'm imagining so on TV
Speaker 1: or anything like that. No, this is exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: You remember precisely correctly, and even down to the raspberry stains,
Speaker 1: it's what happened. So what is that, Cliff, And that
Speaker 1: gets back to it. Is it a ghost? Is it
Speaker 1: a time slip? Is it another dimension? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but stories like that are what keep me coming back.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you that's a good want to end with, Jim,
Speaker 3: because that is everything you're mentioning, timeslip, dimensional portal and
Speaker 3: everything in between. That's a fantastic story. The book's called
Speaker 3: True Ghost Stories Jim Harold's Campfire. This is volume six
Speaker 3: and it's been It came out in May correct. You
Speaker 3: can get it on Amazon and wherever else. Jim, give
Speaker 3: us your website and a little quick update before we
Speaker 3: let you go on how people can get a hold
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you, Cliff. I really appreciate very kind
Speaker 1: of you to have me on the show. They can
Speaker 1: find all the books at Amazon dot com. They can
Speaker 1: also find them at Jimherld dot com. And also they
Speaker 1: can find the podcast, the Paranormal Podcast and Jim Harolds
Speaker 1: Campfire on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, all the podcast apps,
Speaker 1: whichever one you listen in, look up Jim Harold and
Speaker 1: you'll be able to find these shows. And we do
Speaker 1: a new Paranormal podcast every week, and we do a
Speaker 1: new Campfire every week. And I hope that you'll join
Speaker 1: us around the campfire. And Cliff, thank you for letting
Speaker 1: me join you around your campfire today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real fun, Jim. Really a pleasure to meet you,
Speaker 3: and congratulations. You're one of the foundations of podcasting and
Speaker 3: great to finally meet you. Good to meet you, sir,
Speaker 3: as I was listening to those descriptions, those stories those observations.
Speaker 3: They weren't too far out of some of the topics
Speaker 3: that we present here on destiny, past life, what happens
Speaker 3: when we die, the native traditions of the star beings,
Speaker 3: so forth, and so on. I wasn't too shocked. I
Speaker 3: don't think you were either. But it was fun, kind
Speaker 3: of fun to hear other people's impressions of paranormal events
Speaker 3: and dealing with beings from other realities. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: an industry of paranormal podcasts out there, and there should be,
Speaker 3: because we need to observe, we need to acknowledge that
Speaker 3: we're not the only dimension, the only reality, the only vibration.
Speaker 3: And they say that when we sleep, we leave the
Speaker 3: consciousness of physicality and go off into other dimensions. Now,
Speaker 3: we don't have the ability to track those, We don't
Speaker 3: have the ability to analyze them, only by means of
Speaker 3: self observation, dream cataloging, or what they call dream journaling.
Speaker 3: Some people may have really together therapists who want to
Speaker 3: know about their dreams, who want to know about their
Speaker 3: alternative states. That's a very rare therapist. But you know,
Speaker 3: you can join groups where you are discussing encounters outside
Speaker 3: of the norm and you know, we get this with
Speaker 3: this the true ghost stories. It's too bad that. I mean, really,
Speaker 3: you guys are pretty sophisticated. Ghosts are passe. We don't
Speaker 3: use the term ghost anymore. We use entities on other realms.
Speaker 3: We use all kinds of other language. And you guys
Speaker 3: are introduced to some of the cutting edge observations of
Speaker 3: other dimensions of the realities, other vibrational patterns that we
Speaker 3: are dealing with here on Destiny. So you guys are
Speaker 3: pretty advanced. So but it was fun to have a
Speaker 3: gym on the program. And wow, almost twenty years of podcasting.
Speaker 3: And that's a lot because Frankly and I don't talk
Speaker 3: a great deal about it. Podcasting is all about consistency.
Speaker 3: And when I mentor new an upcoming podcast people, some
Speaker 3: people will be like, you know, I only want to
Speaker 3: do it once a month. I only want to do
Speaker 3: it twice a month. You can't do that. People don't,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't. They want to hear it as
Speaker 3: frequently as possible, once a week, sometimes twice a week.
Speaker 3: I know people who do it once a day. That's
Speaker 3: too much for me. But podcasting is a consistency, and
Speaker 3: he goes way back to the beginning twenty two thousand
Speaker 3: and five. Wow, it's a long time ago. So anyhow,
Speaker 3: real fun again, that's volume six True Ghost Stories. If
Speaker 3: we weren't so tight on time, I would have asked him,
Speaker 3: and this is something you can do. Is it on audible?
Speaker 3: I thought him reading those descriptions was good. I would
Speaker 3: have liked to know if it's on audible or not.
Speaker 3: I I love Audible. I'm listening to two different books
Speaker 3: a week just because I have to, and I have
Speaker 3: two podcasts, so I need to keep up on these,
Speaker 3: on these on these authors and what they're presenting. So
Speaker 3: if it's on audible, more power to them. If not,
Speaker 3: you can get it on Amazon or your favorite bookstore. Hey,
Speaker 3: I just got back from two weeks in Turkey. But
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Speaker 3: that's it for this program. I want to thank my
Speaker 3: guest today, Jim Harold, coming to us from Cleveland, Ohio.
Speaker 3: As always, the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and
Speaker 3: everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys are rock. Hey.
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