WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:14.960 Welcome to Destiny. 2 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.320 Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. 3 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:27.239 Oh my god, I'm back. I am back. After a 4 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:32.920 twenty one hour flight from Istanbul to San Francisco. I 5 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:40.079 have returned. And yes, even though I slept upgraded to 6 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:42.840 business class, I got to sleep a little bit. I'm 7 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.640 still jet lagged, and you know, the time differences are 8 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:49.880 really what gets me and a lot of other people. 9 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.560 I even take the note jet lag from the New 10 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:59.320 Zealand Homeopathy and you know that works a little bit. 11 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.560 But you know, when you're flying and you're crossing time zones, 12 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:05.680 it just catches up with you. So it takes me. 13 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.159 It takes me about a week sometimes more to recover. 14 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:15.040 And I'm getting older, yes, older and wiser. But I 15 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:21.400 gotta tell you Turkey was fabulous. The museums are world class. 16 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:24.359 I gotta tell you the world the world class. You 17 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.719 have the Romans, and you have the Greeks, and you 18 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:31.200 have the Sumerians, and you have the Assyrians and you 19 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:34.640 have so many Oh and then you have this uh 20 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:40.319 go Beckley tepee and then you have Carahan teppee. It's like, 21 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:42.280 what the hell is going on with these places? And 22 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.719 you know the thing that I have to mention real 23 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.560 quickly is that when you don't know something, you have 24 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.760 to do the best you can. And the archaeologists who 25 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.120 put together the uh Go Beckley Teppy and the Carahan 26 00:01:55.239 --> 00:02:01.920 Tippee exhibits did a wonderful job. But they portray the 27 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:07.280 people as being cavemen, hairy, long hair, bear skins, and 28 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.159 I'll tell you, if the weather is what we experience 29 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:16.159 one hundred and two and above, they're not wearing bear skins. 30 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:20.199 In fact, we don't even know. If we don't know 31 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.199 what they look like, we have no clue because we 32 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:27.039 have found no skeletal remain So Turkey is wonderful. We're 33 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:31.080 gonna do it again and I'll talk more about it 34 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:36.120 on Earth Ancients later in the week. But I gotta 35 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:40.319 tell you it's impressive on a number of fronts. It's 36 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:48.080 a real agriculturally rich country and they grow everything apples 37 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:55.400 and oranges and dates and a whole variety of nuts 38 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.840 and seeds. And this is of interest to me. I'm 39 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:03.919 here in California and as a native, As a California native, 40 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:10.520 I am well aware of the production of produced vegetables 41 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.520 and seeds. California is a number one seed, I should 42 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.879 say aman producer in the United States. But I was impressed. 43 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:24.039 I was very much impressed. And the other thing, most 44 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:29.360 of the people are Muslim. There's some Christians and there's 45 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.800 I think, I don't know what else there is there, 46 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:38.319 but the religious religion is dominated by and that means 47 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:43.560 there are mosques everywhere. But would you believe they produce 48 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:49.159 excellent wine. They produce almost a billion dollars a year 49 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.120 in varietal grapes. And we had a chance to sample 50 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:55.319 some of their wine. I tell you, the white wine 51 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.919 cool Chartonnay on one hundred and two degree day was 52 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.439 it's very very refreshing, very refreshing. For those of you 53 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:06.759 that were on the tour with me, you know what 54 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:08.800 I'm talking about. We got a couple of samples of 55 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.039 their white wines, and boy were they good. We I 56 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:16.120 brought a couple of ball bottles back. So what a 57 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:18.600 great trip. We're gonna do it again if you're interested. 58 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.240 Take a look at our schedule for twenty twenty five. 59 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:25.279 I'm not sure. I don't know if I want to 60 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.720 go again on in August. I want to try to 61 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.680 do it earlier in the year, so we're not baking 62 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.160 in the sun because the sun's it's really tough on you, 63 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:36.319 especially go Beck the Tippy and Kara Hand Tippy, which 64 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.519 are out in the open. And I'm gonna talk more 65 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:44.040 about karahand Teppy later in the week. I will also 66 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.920 mention that Andrew Collins just released a book on Karahan 67 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:51.480 Teppy and I'm really looking forward to to having him 68 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:55.360 on the program in the next month and discussing what 69 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.120 his beliefs are because this is a very odd, odd location, 70 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.360 and I mean I've found so many anomalies. When we 71 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:08.000 were there, we were restricted from shooting, from taking photographs 72 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.879 of some of the new excavations, and but I mean 73 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.600 there are strangeness everywhere. Why are they doing this? Why 74 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:22.199 are they digging these trenches and making these observatories with 75 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:27.079 these huge columns, carved columns. I mean, there's so much 76 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:31.959 to understand and so much to try to extract from 77 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:37.720 these sites. So anyhow, wonderful tour, and we'll talk more 78 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:41.160 about it on the next Earth Ancients. Just to give 79 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.759 you some insights. I do want to mention this though, 80 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.319 if you are an Earth Ancients fan, go to Earth 81 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.360 Ancients on Facebook and look at the galleries check out 82 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:55.480 the museum pieces of these animals and these humans. I mean, 83 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.360 they were definitely carved by Homo sapiens. They weren't aliens, 84 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:04.160 they weren't unusual haminins humans. They were like you and me, 85 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:09.000 except that they had some distinct traits that we just 86 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.959 can't figure out at this moment. But check out the 87 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:17.759 museums I posted. Also check out this monstrosity of a 88 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:21.879 massive sculpture of Best, the god Best. What the hell 89 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:26.160 was the God Best doing in Istanbul in the museum? 90 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:31.079 The largest sculpture of Best ever discovered that I have 91 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.680 know about. I mean, we know about the various temples 92 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.040 to Best, the god of a child bearing, the god 93 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.879 for women, the god of festivities, and he was a dwarf. 94 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.519 And there's a lot to talk about. We'll talk about 95 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:50.600 that some other time. Take a look at some of 96 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.399 the galleries, and I'm going to be continually post galleries 97 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.279 for the next couple of weeks, just because a lot 98 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:01.079 of what we hear about is seen in the galleries. 99 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:05.879 When you see these carvings, when you see these temples, 100 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.079 when you see these museums, it gives you an impression 101 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.319 that you know these these people that lived over twelve 102 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.720 thousand years ago, were much more sophisticated than we're led 103 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:22.560 to believe. So fantastic. All right, Well, today's program is 104 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.439 with Jim Harold. He is the host of the Jim 105 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:29.759 Harold Campfire and the Paranormal Podcast. We've just finished this 106 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:35.399 interview and he's one of the earliest adapters of podcasting. 107 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.160 And so the Paranormal podcast is almost twenty years old. 108 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.319 I mean, here I am celebrating Earth Ancients and the 109 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:47.279 ten year anniversary. He's almost twenty years in the saddle 110 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:52.160 and millions of downloads. But what is unique about this 111 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:57.079 interview is he has written the sixth volume of It's 112 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:02.279 called the Ghost Stories Jim Harold's Campfire Volume six. And 113 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:06.120 in these books, this is we're talking about the sixth book. 114 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:10.040 Today we hear about not only the paranormal. We hear 115 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:15.360 about alien interactions, and we hear about the different dimensions, 116 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.319 the different realities, the different vibrations that we are a 117 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:23.120 part of. We're not just here in our own reality 118 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.879 when we pass over. And we've had people on the 119 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:29.720 Destiny talking about what happens when we die, what does 120 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:33.000 heaven look like? How do we transcend? We're gonna get 121 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:38.840 a sense of these other realms today in a personal perspective, 122 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:42.240 because each of the stories in these books or in 123 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:49.960 the Ghost Stories book, is an individual's perspective and review 124 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.799 of events that he or she had their family encountered 125 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.240 and some of the unusual aspects of what it means 126 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:05.399 to be human in here on planet Earth. So fun, fun, fun. 127 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:10.879 So today's program is True Ghost Stories Jim Harald's Campfire, 128 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:20.960 volume six, and my guest is author Jim Harold. You 129 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.679 probably hear about all these amazing locations, these ancient sites 130 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.039 we visit on Earth, ancients and here on Destiny, but 131 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.240 I got to tell you there's nothing like being there 132 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.200 in person. And we have a number of tours that 133 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.159 we schedule every year, some in far lands like Turkey 134 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.320 and Egypt, but some are closer to home, like Mexico. 135 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.360 And we have a great tour coming up in November, 136 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:47.200 the Sacred Mayan Temples of the Yucatan. It's November eighth 137 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:52.799 through the seventeenth of this year, one week of intense exploration. 138 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.240 This tour is designed for those of you who really 139 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.720 want to connect with these ancient places, feel an affinity 140 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:02.679 to the Maya, and just want to see a close 141 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:06.240 and personal what a pyramid looks like, what it feels like, 142 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.039 how you connect with them and the tolleric energy. For 143 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:13.759 more information on our upcoming tour, go to Earth Ancients 144 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.559 dot com, Forward slash Tours and look for the banner 145 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.080 to Mexico. Got to tell you this is gonna be 146 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:23.879 a good one. We're gonna be going to Ushmol, Titchenitza, 147 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.480 Lobna Sayil and every place we go to. You can 148 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:34.919 connect by sitting, by meditating, by connecting with these sacred locations. 149 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.679 And there's nothing like climbing a Mayan pyramid and sitting 150 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:42.799 at the very top and getting bathed in this wonderful energy. Again, 151 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:44.840 come out and join us. It's November eight through the 152 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.639 seventeenth of this year. Go to Earth Ancients dot com, 153 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.000 Forward slash Tours and get all the information. 154 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:35.519 And they. 155 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.120 We have a fantastic guest this week. His name is 156 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:42.200 Jim Harold. And you know we've been talking about dimensions. 157 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:46.399 We talk about the Akashic Records. We speak on a 158 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:51.519 number of paranormal subjects that are highlighted in the ancient 159 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.120 cultures that we feature on Earth Ancients that kind of 160 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.799 bleed into Destiny. And my guest today, Jim Harold, has 161 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:02.360 written actually this is the sixth in a series of 162 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:06.919 books that he has come out with called True ghost 163 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:12.720 Stories Jim Harrold's Campfire Volume six. This is the sixth 164 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:17.000 volume of these amazing topics. And we have Jim on 165 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.120 the program today, and I'm really happy to have him 166 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:23.720 on simply because we haven't had anybody talk about ghosts. 167 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:26.639 We haven't had anybody talk about the other dimensions that 168 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:32.039 bleed into our reality here. So Jim, welcome to Destiny. 169 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:33.320 Great to have you on the program. 170 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.600 Oh thank you, sir for allowing me to come on 171 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:40.120 the program. And I agree, you know, even in the 172 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.480 different things I do. I do some shows on ancient 173 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.000 mysteries and things, and I think it's part of a 174 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:49.960 bigger picture how our existence. It goes far beyond just 175 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:53.000 the materialistic. There is the spiritual. They are the things 176 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:57.080 that we don't quite understand, and maybe some of the 177 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:00.799 ancient cultures were better able to understand these spear virtual realm. 178 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:02.960 So I think it all ties together. It might not 179 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:06.000 be obvious at first, but I do definitely think there 180 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.759 is kind of a tie in there. 181 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:15.200 No question talk a little bit about this podcast you do, 182 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:21.320 the Jim Harold's Campfire and the Paranormal podcast. What what's 183 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.759 the interest? Have you had events in your own personal 184 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.840 life that kind of led you to develop a sense 185 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.960 of interest and then kind of you became a I mean, 186 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:34.879 you've been doing this a long time. So is this 187 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.399 kind of like a they're a magnet to you. They 188 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.639 begin sending to you their stories because they hear about 189 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.360 other people or what's the deal here? 190 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:47.200 Well, I you know, for me, my fascination and the 191 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.000 paranormal goes back to the nineteen seventies when I was 192 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.080 a little kid in elementary school and there's a TV 193 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.919 show on called In Search of with Leonard Nimoy. Oh yeah, 194 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.799 and that kind of started for Plus, there were some 195 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.799 great family stories that we had of things that had 196 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.480 happened to family members, and I just kept right along 197 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.840 following it on a parallel track. I ended up going 198 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:14.159 into college for broadcasting, ended up working in the radio industry, 199 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.039 but behind the scenes, not in front of the mic. 200 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.200 Come to two thousand and five. You know, at that point, 201 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:24.519 I've got a wife, still do two kids, and mortgage. 202 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.919 It wasn't like I could quit my day job in 203 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.360 radio and go get in front of the mic in Paduca, 204 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:33.519 Kentucky or somewhere. But I heard about this thing called podcasting, 205 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:35.320 and I'm like, I'm gonna do a show on I'm 206 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.360 gonna do a show on the paranormal. That's a subject 207 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.799 I legitimately am interested in, and I think it'll hold 208 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:45.279 my interest for a few months. Nineteen years later, it's 209 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.120 still holding my interest. And so start with the Paranormal podcast, 210 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.039 which is very much in the vein of like a 211 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.600 Coast to Coast AM or something like that. It's very 212 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.519 much an interview show with authors and experts. And then 213 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.679 one week in two thousand, I didn't have a subject 214 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.240 or a guest for the show, and I said, we'll 215 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.440 do listener stories. And I did that once and I'm like, 216 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.679 that's a separate show. Yeah, total, So that's how I 217 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.159 start with Jim Harold's Campfire. Now, you know, as you said, 218 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.360 people are sending me their stories. So these books that 219 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:19.080 we do, we still do the podcast free every week, 220 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.159 ninety minutes every week every Thursday. It drops on all 221 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.919 the podcast players, but we take the best of stories 222 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.360 and we put them in these volumes and they'll have 223 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:33.559 anywhere from sixty five to seventy stories per volume, and 224 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.159 that's what we did with the latest one, and it's 225 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:40.240 just another way to kind of codify those stories because 226 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.480 I think people's stories are so important to get out 227 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:46.759 there and enjoy doing it, and so far the audience 228 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:48.600 seems to enjoy it, so it seems to be a 229 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:49.000 win win. 230 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.159 I have to congratulate you because you launched your first 231 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.799 podcast in two thousand and five. We just celebrated ten 232 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:03.120 years in podcasting with Earth Ancients. But you're you're a 233 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.279 real foundational podcast. You're there in the beginning when you 234 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.480 know you're probably using air buds and the mic for. 235 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.600 Oh yeah, I used a headphone headset, you know. I 236 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:20.279 think it was a thirty dollar I had a really 237 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.440 not very good Windows computer and a thirty dollars headset 238 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.879 and was stressing over home, We're going to pay this 239 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:30.320 twenty dollars a month for podcast hosting, you know, and 240 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:35.279 it worked out. I mean, I think sometimes I believe 241 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:37.519 there is such a thing that we're faded to go 242 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.279 down certain roads, and I think this was my road. 243 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:42.679 So I'm very thankful to the audience. It's been a 244 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:45.200 great trip and the cool thing is I'm still I mean, 245 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.320 I literally just Cliff got off of a call with 246 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.840 a caller that was a fantastic call for campfire right 247 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.840 before this. I basically clicked off of that and clicked 248 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:59.480 onto this, and I still find it interesting and I 249 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:00.840 still find fascinating. 250 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:05.839 That's the way to go talk about how the audience 251 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.759 interacts with you. Because if this is the sixth volume 252 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:14.039 in this value, you have sixty five specific stories, I 253 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.839 would imagine the other five have an equal number of stories. 254 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.880 How did you accumulate the stories? Are they calling in? 255 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:24.279 Did you pick the best of the best of the 256 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.720 best for each one? Because if you're doing podcasts every week, 257 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.720 which you likely are, that's a lot of content. 258 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:33.880 Yeah, it is a lot of content. On the show. 259 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:39.480 We're pretty open. In other words, well over ninety percent 260 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:45.640 of the calls make the show. You know, there might 261 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.720 be various reasons we wouldn't use a call, but most 262 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:50.559 times the not we do. In the books, we are 263 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.079 a little more selective. We try to pick We take 264 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.559 usually a two year time span and say, let's pick 265 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.839 the most compelling stories from that that two year period. 266 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.480 And actually we had not done a book for a 267 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.559 few years, so this only takes us through I think 268 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.839 twenty fifteen or something, so we have I have enough 269 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:11.759 right now where I could do six more books in 270 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:17.599 no sweat without doing another podcast. But my plan, you know, 271 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.720 I'm hoping to do this another ten or fifteen years 272 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.440 at least, so by the time we get done, you know, 273 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.200 knock on wood, we should have a pretty good compilation 274 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.559 of spooky stories for future generations to check out. 275 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.640 The books are well done, they're well edited, and I 276 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.000 guess they're self published. You don't have I don't see 277 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:40.160 a big publisher. 278 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:44.680 Yeah. My first book was traditionally published and I got 279 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.559 in an advance and all of that, and that was 280 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:52.079 just about the time you know that you could do 281 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:59.319 really high quality publishing under your own company. So you know, 282 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.279 I high a designer to design the interior, to design 283 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.759 the cover, so just like a publisher would do. That's 284 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:10.000 what a publisher would do, right. I handled the writing, 285 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.279 and in the various books, I've had some help with 286 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.119 editing from different people. This last one my wife was 287 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:20.079 a huge help. So yeah, I think this is just 288 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:23.000 as you know, high qualities you would buy, you know, 289 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:27.480 from a publisher. The only difference is is that you know, 290 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.960 it supports our work and not some faceless publishers. 291 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:32.400 Yeah. 292 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.319 And the other thing is when you self publish, you 293 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.519 get a larger percentage of the return. 294 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.000 Yes, exactly, exactly. 295 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:40.640 Yeah, more of a payoff, which is good. 296 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:43.720 Yeah. No, when I did it the first time around, 297 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.559 traditionally published, I was grateful. It was nice to see that. 298 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:52.200 I thought, wait, this, this doesn't work. And actually the 299 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.000 books have been far more successful since I've taken them independent. 300 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.720 So and I think a lot of authors. I interview 301 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.599 a lot of authors these days, and many of them 302 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:04.759 are doing the same thing. I mean, if you're a 303 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:09.240 big name, big name author that kind of thing, publishing 304 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.720 through a traditional publisher, that makes a lot of sense 305 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.799 if you're Stephen King. But if you're in these niche 306 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.920 topics and things, I think you know, doing it through 307 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:19.960 your own company and so forth, I think that that 308 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:21.920 makes all the sense in the world. 309 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:25.279 Yeah, you know, I want to praise you in the 310 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.279 selection of these stories, at least in this book six. 311 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.720 I haven't seen the other five, but you have taken 312 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:36.119 in Native American, which you consider they're called First Nation people. 313 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.759 You have and then all walks of life young and 314 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:48.119 old people recollecting their youth, people in the advanced age, 315 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.559 and everything and all above, which is kind of great. 316 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.920 What does it mean for you when you say paranormal? 317 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:59.920 I mean, I have my definition, But what's that mean 318 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:00.480 for you? 319 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.160 Well, I think unfortunately these days most people think it's 320 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.359 all about ghosts. Yeah, and I think it's far broader 321 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.240 than that. When I started to show the Paranormal podcast, 322 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:14.799 I thought, it's going to encapsulate, kind of in the 323 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:21.000 spirit of an in search of all of the unexplained ghosts, UFOs, 324 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:26.480 cryptic creatures, maybe ancient mysteries, those kind of things as well. 325 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.519 Now we do that on a separate plus podcast, but 326 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:31.759 we did some of that in the early days, rob 327 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.319 circles and things like that. So I mean, to me, 328 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:40.000 it encapsulates the broad range of things that we don't 329 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:44.640 understand via current science. So people say, oh, you do 330 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:51.759 a show and ghosts, yeah, and UFOs, and so I'm 331 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.519 kind of the big tenth philosophy. That's what the paranormal 332 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:55.079 means to me. 333 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.720 Excellent, And we mentioned at the very beginning that a 334 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:05.799 lot of this our ancestors took in quite randomly, not randomly, 335 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.119 but quite they accepted it on a more on a 336 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:13.319 larger scale, things like speaking with the dead. We have 337 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:20.279 Hispanic cultures raising Day of the Dead, where you're connecting 338 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:27.119 with your dead relatives. We have speaking channeled information coming 339 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:32.519 through people that was like the Greek Delphi channels. I mean, 340 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:34.960 the sky's the limit, isn't it. In fact, you even 341 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.319 have UFOs and we're going to talk about some UFO 342 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:42.640 implants and some other things like that which are kind 343 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:46.519 of funn So you really don't have any cutoff. You're 344 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:48.240 like wide open for everything, aren't you. 345 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.799 Yeah, because I think that actually on the Campfire Show, 346 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.559 I went into it with like a narrow perception, like 347 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:57.480 most people would, Oh, they're just going to talk about 348 00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:59.680 ghost stories. Yeah, But then we get these stories of 349 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.480 shadow people, we get these stories of doppelgangers, we get 350 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.039 these stories of what I call head scratchers, things that 351 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.079 don't fall into a specific category but make you go, 352 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:13.240 what in the world just happened there? It's much broader. 353 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:15.920 It's much broader than we give it credit for. 354 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:21.880 I think, right before we start, do you believe there's 355 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.240 other dimensions and it afterlife? 356 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:28.279 I absolutely believe in an afterlife, and I'm open to 357 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.200 the idea of other dimensions if we have time. There's 358 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:34.119 a story in here that kind of gets to the 359 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.880 idea of maybe another dimension or time slip or something 360 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:42.079 along those lines. So I guess what I'm saying is 361 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:45.680 after life. Absolutely, I don't believe this is it for 362 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.599 a moment. I believe we go on in some fashion 363 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.079 other dimensions. I think it's certainly possible, and even scientists, 364 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:58.200 I think, are very open to that idea. I haven't 365 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.799 learned a lot over the years, like I don't have. 366 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.799 I think I was much more self assured when I started. 367 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:09.559 You know, ghosts or dead people, UFOs represent aliens, fourth 368 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:12.559 and so on. I'm less convinced of what things are, 369 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.240 but I'm more convinced that they actually exist, if that 370 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.839 makes sense. There's a great quote I heard, and I 371 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.960 don't know who to attribute it to. It was on 372 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.480 one of our late guests Facebook page, Jim Willis. I 373 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:25.880 don't know if you knew Jim. 374 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.759 Or Willis just passed away. 375 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:30.559 He was fantastic. 376 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:32.240 I'm so sorry to see him go. 377 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.079 Yeah, yeah, he was fantastic. In fact, I just had 378 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.920 a show posted a few days before he passed with him. 379 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.880 Oh man, But I'd interviewed him numerous times, but he 380 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.039 had a quote on his Facebook page and I don't 381 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.039 know who said it, if it was a famous quote, 382 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:51.359 but I love it. Not only is the universe stranger 383 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:57.000 than we imagine, stranger than we can imagine. And it's 384 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.240 for me that that nails it on the head because 385 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.519 I think there is how much going on that we 386 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:03.039 don't understand. 387 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.559 You know, And I think our science, because they can't 388 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:12.319 quantify or qualify it, tend to dismiss these paranormal events, 389 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.000 which makes it really a challenge. I want to just 390 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.279 mentioned real quickly. Jim Willis, Reverend Jim Willis was a 391 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.480 regular on our show. What was odd is that his 392 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:24.559 last book was on Near death Experience. 393 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:29.160 I interviewed him on Near Death Experiences in May, played 394 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:31.839 the show on a Tuesday in June, and I think 395 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.680 he passed later that week. 396 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.799 Yeah, I got a jan his daughter let me know 397 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:40.279 we did a special for Jim. So thanks for mentioning that. 398 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.240 Let's talk about some of these amazing stories in your book. 399 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.599 I'm going to go through a couple and then you 400 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:48.839 can take over and give us a sense of what 401 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.519