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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sickles, I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with another twenty four twenty five NBA season

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look ahead. We were onto the Miami Heat, which means

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we were running it back with MBA freelance content creator

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Alana Tauhouer. Follow her on the socials at Alana Underscore Tauhauer.

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that is also in the podcast and YouTube description. We

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get into all things heat. This was the first one

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I think maybe the only look at it we done

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so far that ran under an hour, So look at

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us very much pacing ourselves. A good convo with her.

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She had a bunch of I would say ambitious takes

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for Miami that I disagreed with some of them, but

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if this team stays healthy, they are a giant question.

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let's get to talking some Miami Heat with Alana Tahauer. Alana,

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welcome back to the Harbor Knoxs podcast for another Miami

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Heat look Ahead. This is year four of you coming

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on to do the Miami Heat look Ahead?

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Speaker 2: Is it really? I had three pegged. I guess I

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forgot about my rookie season here, which.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your rookie season. So you've come back now four times,

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which I make it appreciate, especially as I was telling

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you before we recorded, I have just a lack of

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feel for this team, more than more so than any

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other team. But first we must ask how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I am doing well. I'm back out of retirement again

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for you. Literally. I know we were talking about this

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before you started recording, but I haven't done any thing

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and I think a year, so apparently I'm back. We'll

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see if this is it for the season or not.

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But excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is your look. MJ did it, you can do it.

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I appreciate it first.

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Speaker 2: And that's quite the comparison. I also want to say

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on record, I fumbled because I in our office space.

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I have a Jimmy Butler and a Damar de Rozan

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sign jersey, both on like the wall and I things

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got busy on my end and I was gonna set

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stuff up there, and now I have this boring background,

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So this could have been a much better setting for

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us to do this in. But at least I got

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the gear on.

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Speaker 1: So I think your background is kind of interesting because

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you're the first one, at least this year, that I

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could just see right out the window and get a

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view too.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, well, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but I

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realized like five minutes before I sat down that I

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really missed the boat. That means I'll have to come

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back so I can show off my new office, but

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I do.

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Speaker 1: So you have one like is this it's a jersey

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that's signed by both Butler and No, I have.

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Speaker 2: A Damar one and a Butler one because my fiance

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is a Bulls fan. I'm obviously a heat fan, and

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it just so happened that we had both, so we

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were like, this is kind of perfect.

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Speaker 1: Your fiance is a Bulls fan, so that's that's like

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self harm at this point.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean he he's obviously taken on the

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Heat as his second team, but I'm like, I'm hoping

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to just get him there, slowly but surely, because whatever's

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going on in Chicago is as a hot mess.

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Speaker 1: So well, send Michael dolences to him one, but also

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my congratulations for you to actually getting engaged. Let's talk

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about these Heat though. So I want to start with,

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did you do you have any just lingering takeaways from

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the way last season unfolded that you're thinking about heading

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into this year? Do you cut beyond the Okay, they

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were very injured and there was a bunch of roster

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chared here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's super cliche and it sounds like an excuse,

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but it's just we were injured and it wasn't even

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one or two guys or for a month or two,

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it was everyone all the time. Honestly, last year kind

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of feels like a fever dream. There's certain things here

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and there that stuck out, primarily from the playoffs, but

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it was almost like last season just didn't happen because

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did we even have a full team at all? I don't.

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to know, honestly, like, how many games were actually played

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with the quote unquote full team, because even when I

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guess all our starters were good to go, one or

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two main guys off the bench weren't. So I don't know.

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you can't displame injuries, but that's just the truth of

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the matter here.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what their fully healthy starting lineup

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they were envisioning it being. So it's just they used

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thirty five different ones of them, and then the one

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that they used the most, terror or Zier, was actually

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in So there was no way that that was the plan,

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right like my season's end. So I don't know that, Like,

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I don't even know if they understood what they wanted

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to do at full strength, and then all the injuries,

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especially a Tyler Hero probably made it that much harder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, but you know I've set this time

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and time again. Spoe. I feel like his one criticism

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is that when he pivots, it's not necessarily always in

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the best way. But even I cannot fault him at all.

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For this season, there was just pivoting. Pivoting was an understatement.

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Every single game was something different, and I don't know

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I'm ready for the season, and I'm ready to see

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hopefully what obviously we look like at full health or

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as close to that as possible.

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Speaker 1: When you look at their when you look at their offseason,

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they did not have financial flexibility as we record this.

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They're like a million bucks away basically from the second

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apron that being said, you lose Kayleb Martin, you bring

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in Alec Burks, What just do you kind of like,

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how let's start here. How big of a loss does

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Caleb Martin end up being for them? They were able

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to retain Hollywood High Smith on. I was scolding the

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rest of the league for allowing that deal to be

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He's so cheap. I don't understand why no one else

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beat that, But it was just like a very it was.

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It was a very non discript off season from them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember at what point during the playoffs,

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but I and I don't know if I publicly said

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this or not, but privately I was ready to let

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Caleb go. I understood what he brought to the table

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at first, his athleticism especially, I just did not find

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him consistent, and I realized it's hard to say that

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in the vacuum given the season around him last year,

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But I honestly I was not too upset about that,

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nor was I surprised. But I don't know if I

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honestly expected that much more from this offseason too. And

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it's not even necessarily because of the fact that everyone

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was obviously, as usual clamoring for something big. But I

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just I feel like, for better or worse, the front

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office and the coaching staff really do believe in this

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group of guys, and because we were so injury ridden,

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it was wasn't really like a full test of what

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they could do. Plus, honestly, the market wasn't really that

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impressive to me. There are a few things here and

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there we could have done, I guess, but I don't know.

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I wasn't really surprised. I actually did forget about Alec

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Burke though, to be completely honest, until I was reading

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your notes for this episode, So I don't know if

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that says something about him or me, But I mean

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that was one move.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that's it. I thought it was a

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good pick up at the minimum, and you mentioned it.

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People are used to hearing them linked to someone via trade.

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The trademarket just wasn't there and unless you're putting jim

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sweepstakes you're getting into at this point when you look

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at their future pick commitment, So whether the front office

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actually really believes in this group or it's just a

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matter of like, what the hell else were we supposed

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to do? Maybe it's like a combination of both of

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those things. But when you're looking at this season, what

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is the biggest storyline to you that you will be

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tracking as we get into it and over the course

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of it. I feel like I could guess where you're

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gonna say if I had to, But I'm very should

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to hear your answer.

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Speaker 2: Well, now you're gonna have to tell me your guests

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after obviously, I mean health aside, because I think that's

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an obvious one. I'm super curious if BAM is gonna

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continue to be the BAM that we saw.

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Speaker 1: I did not think you were gonna say that, and

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I love it because that's real sick. Oh shit, So please.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what did you think I was gonna say?

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Speaker 1: Contract to hear Jimmy Butler, No, I'm that is I

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I don't know if it's just me.

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Speaker 2: I am not concerned about that at all. This man

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is not going anywhere. I honestly, I almost feel like

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both him and the front office, primarily Pat Riley, are

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like playing with people at this point. When I saw

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that quote from Pat come out, like honestly, I was

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just like, Oh, this is totally orchestrated by him and

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Jimmy together to kind of feed into the whole heat

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Twitter mania that was going on at that time. I

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don't know, maybe I'm going to eat my words. I'm

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just I'm not concerned. I'm really curious how BAM is

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going to progress and less so on a I don't

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necessarily even I mean, more is always better, but I

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don't necessarily expect more. I just want him to stay

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consistently this aggressive on both ends of the floor.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's stick with the Jimmy thing for a second.

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So you say you're not concerned, I think you could

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probably argue that contract to your Jimmy Butler might be

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terrifying for the rest of the league, but it also

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does create a storyline because there's the report. I don't

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I don't care about the Brooklyn report. I dare you

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to go sign with the Nets at this point and

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be what I would say, but the whole he wants

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to the report that he wants to get to free agency.

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years old, like your timeline and team is very much

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still built around him. He is headed into a contract year.

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He will have a market if he gets the free

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agency because he's one of the players who can actually

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shift things that might actually get the free agency. Now,

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you don't think that that kind of has the potential

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to become a distraction for this team, No, jim.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy's just built different. I feel like I've never seen

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a player so I don't even know how to put this.

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I just feel like he's preparing himself for what comes

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next already and has been doing so for so long.

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And that's not to say that he's near retirement anytime

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soon or that he isn't like completely giving is all

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on the court. But I feel like between big face

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and the alo yoga stuff, I don't know. To me,

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he's not the type of player that I'm concerned is

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kind of scrambling because he's nearing the end and wants

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this big payout. I think at this point he wants

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to win as much as possible and as badly as anyone.

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But I don't think he's necessarily gonna bring down the

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team or completely shift his entire life because of that. Again,

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I don't know if I just have a different read

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on him or a wrong read on both him and Riley,

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but just from things that I've noticed, especially last season,

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but even the two or three seasons prior, there's a

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lot of leaning in to everything, all the noise that's

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happening outside of the team, whether that's media or fans,

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and I don't know, to me, it's all just them

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like leaning into this narrative.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. I would be very concerned if you hit

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a rough patcher if this team is not as good

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as fans or internally they want to be.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna like destroy them from within.

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if we're like eighth, Like what does that mean? Like

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he's only gonna get older, And so that's the perspective

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I'm coming at it from. And also I think Jimmy

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Butler and the Heat in general have lost some of

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their mystique about like kind of fuck the regular season

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when you just weren't healthy to even once you got

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to the playoffs, and like, there's only so many times

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you can get to the postseason while being like a

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fringe playoff team anyway, And so I think, again it

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might not be. I think Jimmy Butler plays well. I

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think his agent curve has been fine. You put up

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like all star caliber numbers last year. The two point

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efficiency dropped a little bit, but he did take more threes.

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He made more threes. I still am very cuercy how

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he specifically does age. Have you made anything of that

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about just like the trajectory of how his game gets

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not only just leading into this season, but like if

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they're going to resign him, it's going to be years

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beyond that too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think his game is gonna

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have to change a little bit. I do think he's

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smart enough to do so in a way that it

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doesn't take God forbid, like a major injury to have

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him have come to that moment, you know, whether that

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is I don't know if it's taking more threes or

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honestly just become becoming more of a facilitator. I think

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that he would rather protect his health than go full

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fledge into you know, the way that he's been playing

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I don't know, maybe two three seasons ago and risk that. However,

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with that said, I mean, the man's conditioning is a plus.

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You see. I know you can't necessarily judge everything based

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on social media, but you see all the work that

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he puts in, you know, shoulder pumps.

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Speaker 1: I judge everything by shoulder pumps, and Jimmy gets one

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of the best shoulder pumps in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know why, but that just made me

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think of Zion, who is an entire different caliber of player,

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if you can even call him a player at this point.

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But no, I don't know. I think he's going to

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be smart about it. The other thing, too, is Jimmy

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doesn't do anything anyone else's way, and I feel like

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that also gives me a little bit more confidence in

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his future with the heat. I think if we were

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talking about most other players, then yes, it would be

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a concern. But to me, Jimmy is just Jimmy. So

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I don't know. I hope I'm not wrong, but I'm

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not really concerned about that.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the bam stuff he had for so long.

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I mean, we've talked about his offense a bunch and

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he's always just been considered a super valuable defender. But

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the knock has always been he's not going to do

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a lot of the traditional big man stuff. You look

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at the Heat's roster last year, it wasn't really built

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to play the way that it did in years past

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on defense. So then he starts doing all the bam

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stuff on top of doing just all like the traditional

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big man stuff, like we saw had more and drop

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his rim protection, I would argue was probably a career season.

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I know he's probably had stingier years at the rim,

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which just like the lume with which he was doing it.

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Whilso being responsible for all this other shit, what have

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you just made of like that part of his game

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somehow getting better when all along that's really been his

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calling card.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that everything stems from his confidence. I

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think the skill set has been there, the raw talent

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has been there. Obviously over the years, you develop things,

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not saying that he's not working on like the physical

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part of his game, but he just had some mental

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block for yr during years pass and I think it

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was slowly getting better. But this past season he I think,

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in my opinion anyway, was the band that everyone has

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been calling for. He was aggressive, he played smart, He

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took a lot more on his own shoulders, not only

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on the court, but I think off the court, he

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definitely led the team a little bit more, and obviously

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during the Olympics he showed his strength on both ends too.

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So for me, this is the band that we've always

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wanted and that people were hoping he would be. The

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question is is just if he's going to maintain this.

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I think part of it may have been just the

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fact that he had to step up with so many injuries,

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but I hope that we're able to stay fully healthy

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but also get this BAM too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be interesting to evaluate him in that context

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because last year kind of felt like, maybe you sprinkle

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in some more three point attempts, but that might have

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been BAM's I don't want to say final form, but

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I don't know that he has because I don't view him.

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I don't mean this as an insult. I don't think

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he's ever gonna be like the guy who can just

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be the number one option. I don't think he's wired

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that way, which is perfectly fine. But the Bam we

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saw last year can absolutely be a number two option

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on a championship team, which I mean technically he's been before,

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but I agree that was probably the most aggressive and

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it was probably by necessity that we've seen him. I

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just when you talk about expansion of his game or

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just can he hit that next level of like actually

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supplant Jimmy Butler is just the guy who's gonna drive

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everything that they do. That's where I would have questions.

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But that's not really an insult though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that he To me, it just

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seemed like he wasn't honestly grasping the concept of that

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number two spot. It was kind of like there were

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either two options. You're just a role player or you

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are the number one. But I think to your point,

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he stepped up as that number two and as long

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as he's consistently that he's gonna add a lot to

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the team. I will say too, I just feel like

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here and there just seeing things off, you know, off

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the court, in terms of interviews or just like I

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said things during the Olympics. I think he proved to

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himself what he finally needed to everyone else seemed to

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know that he could do it. It was just kind

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of him standing in his own way, So I'm I'm

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curious to see if that keeps up. But I was

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very pleasantly surprised, and that might have been the first

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season that I honestly had had nothing negative to say

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about his aggression.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Hero one of the NBA's most divisive figures because

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he got paid and that's just how things work with

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NBA fandom for some reason. So we talked about this

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last year and there's really just not much to add

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with Tyler Hero. We both considered him an undervalued dynamic

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shot maker. I think he is still that when you

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look at some of the shots he could hit. So

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I have a question for you of what area of development,

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if you're the coach or if you're a Tyler Hero,

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you would be prioritizing or that you think is most

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important when looking at his ability to get better. And

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if you have something that's off the book of the

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four options I gave you, that's fine. But would it

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be getting more volume at the rim, subbing out some

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mid rangers for more catch and shoot threes or threes

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off motion, drawing more fouls, or creating additional separation off

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the drill.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's the threes and my answer might have

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changed depending on the roster around him, but I just

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feel like with Duncan not being as reliable as you

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know he was in that one season where you know,

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everyone thought he was just going to be the go to,

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and also obviously losing Max Stres, I just feel like

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Tyler really needs to step up in that role. The

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other part of that is, I don't say this in

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a critical way, because you know, at the end of

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the day, everyone is just built differently and it might

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not be anything he's doing, but he is injury prone,

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and to me, when you're at this point in your

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career and you see kind of the injuries that have

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been occurring, you try and protect your body a little bit.

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And I'm not saying that that should take priority over

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what the team needs, but if the team needs more

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three point shooting, and it also perhaps will protect your

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play style a little bit, I'm going with that.

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Speaker 1: My inclination was to go and this might show a

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lack of faith that I don't know that his shot

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profiles gould to change that much. Is I just want

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to see more separation off the dribble so that his

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shot selection than just because sometimes you'll pull your hair

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out at the shots. So if you're able to create

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more separation off the dribble, get maybe a little bit

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more complicated handle. He's made strides as a pastor. I

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didn't even include that on the list because I'm like, yeah,

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if you want him to be a point guard, then

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we need to have a different conversation. But for what

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he's supposed to be, the playmaking feels there, so that'd

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be my pick. But ideally I think yours is the

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right answer. I just don't know that I have a

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level of faith that it'll come to bear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do think the shot selection. It's

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funny because I always trust him in like the very

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clutch moments, but it's everything else where I'm like, ooh,

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you could have taken one more time or one more

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second to think that through. So you know, and I

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know we're going to talk about lineups a little bit

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later on, but I think to me, it also kind

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of depends where you're putting him. Is he coming off

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the benches, he starting what.

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Speaker 1: Did you make of your early impressions of Terry Rozier,

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and then just scaling ahead his overarching fit with this team,

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and also just by the way one of the most

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like concerning like throwaway injury reports, like, oh, Terry Rozier

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was out for the season with a neck injury, and

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it was like, it turns out to be next spasms.

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It seems like he's okay, but you hear neck and

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that's just not an injury. You hear in ton I

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remember like.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean at that point, I was just like,

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we can't have any nice things like this is just

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it was the pinnacle of just doom of the season.

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I think that he's a great culture fit. I think

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he has the work ethic needed for this team. I

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don't know if I have enough of an opinion beyond

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that at this point he came late. He also just

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thrown into a messy situation where you know, we keep

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saying it, but everyone was injured. I think he can

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get there, and I do like what I've seen so far.

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I just I'm not confident one way or another yet,

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just because of the super small sample size, but also

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within the environment that he was playing in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think him going through a training camp with

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this team will be big because I think we'll see

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him used creatively more off the ball, and I think

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even he showed some just equivocation on like what types

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of shots he should be taking when he was on

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the ball, and I'm assuming a lot of that will

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get just ironed out by going through an actual training

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camp with this team and then kind of like maybe

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getting run with all of their best players at once,

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which is just not something that the heat we're able

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to do last year with all their injuries. Jimy Hawkis,

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let's start here with him. What stood out to you

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surprise or just most impressed you about his rookie season.

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Speaker 2: He was so confident right off the get. And that's

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not to say that he you know, didn't make mistakes,

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but I think being in college for as long as

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he was was such a strength for him. He came

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in just kind of guns blazing. He really didn't overthink anything,

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at least, you know, from an outsider's point of view.

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I also think that he was asked to do a

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lot very early on in his career just because of

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all the gaps happening along the way. And honestly, he's

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He's baby Jimmy. I mean, the fact that they were

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in a commercial together even again, to me is just

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only like solidifying my theory that they're playing into all

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the narratives happening online. But I don't know. I love him.

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I hope we never get rid of him. I think

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this year, hopefully he'll be able to zero in on

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his game a little bit and tighten things up and

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really decide kind of, you know, he's gonna be well

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rounded regardless, but kind of where he wants to put

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more of his time and effort in. But I was

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excited when we got him from the get, but I

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think that he's hurt. He's surpassed all my expectations.

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Speaker 1: They and again this was probably by necessity, but they

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did shoulder him with like some creation duties and not

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just like driving. It was like he ran picking rolls

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for them at points. Is that something that you envisioned

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them continuing to try to expand or is that more

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situational on like, well, if you have Terry Rozier and

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Tyler here on BAM and Jimmy Butler, how much of

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the initiation aspect of Hawke as game do you really

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need to plumb.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he is super high basketball IQ

479
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,240
and I think, yeah, you have to lean into that.

480
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,559
And it's not a knock on any other players everyone

481
00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:47,960
has strengths and weaknesses, but I think that, in my opinion,

482
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,880
because he has such strong basketball IQ, you definitely keep

483
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,319
working on that, not necessarily in a primary in a

484
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,720
primary sense, but maybe if he does end up kind

485
00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:05,240
of showing more focused in that area and it starts

486
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:07,480
to work better than with other players, I say you

487
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:08,359
definitely lean.

488
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: Into that he has replaced Jimmy as the player on

489
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,480
this team who will most be tracking their three point attempts,

490
00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:16,599
because three point four or three point one, whatever it

491
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,240
was for thirty six just isn't enough. Do you won

492
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:21,400
he finished at thirty two point two percent. He had

493
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,000
some start the season like on fire. He had like

494
00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:26,279
pockets of time where he was just knocking down threes.

495
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,359
Do you one believe that the volume will come up?

496
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,559
And two do you trust that as the volume goes

497
00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:33,359
up that he'll be able to have this percentage of

498
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,160
his climb as well?

499
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,519
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know if I see him as

500
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,000
as the guy that needs to be doing that. I

501
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,440
think it if it comes organically, great, but I just

502
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,880
to me, there's other guys that would rather carry that

503
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:53,559
burden and focus on him more so, I mean, being

504
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,279
little Jimmy. Honestly, I just I don't know it could

505
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,640
go up. It's just it's not something that I'm concerned with.

506
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,240
And I think that having guys prior who you know,

507
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,720
were lights out from three is making a lot of

508
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,640
people like feel the need to put that on every

509
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,400
single new player. I feel like that we come across,

510
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,359
but I don't know. I just don't see that being

511
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:20,160
where he ends up focusing most of his kind of attention.

512
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: On I think that would be fair. My concern would

513
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,519
be if you want to play him and Jimmy Butler

514
00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:27,200
together and then bam Adebayo is going to be on

515
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,200
the floor and those times, like one of Butler a

516
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:32,160
haimhawk as needs to be an actual shooter in that scenario,

517
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:32,880
I would think.

518
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it kind of depends who else is

519
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,119
on the floor at that point.

520
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,559
Speaker 1: Let's Hero and Rosie. Even if it's Hero and Rosier

521
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,519
or Hero like throw your two best three point shooters

522
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:43,160
around him, I still think you need one of those

523
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,119
two dudes to be more of a floor spacer than

524
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,839
they currently are.

525
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the current roster, I do agree. I'm just

526
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:53,359
curious if you know, maybe at the at the trade deadline,

527
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,759
we start reassessing that because I do think that one

528
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,799
of the biggest gaps for us right now, after seeing

529
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,559
how things could be when Duncan was at his peak

530
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,880
and obviously having Max Strus, I think that's a little

531
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,000
bit of a void unless obviously we kind of reconstruct

532
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,680
our entire plan. But I think in today's NBA and

533
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,200
kind of where the league is headed, we do need

534
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,880
someone to step up. I just don't know if he's

535
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,839
the one I would want to be doing that.

536
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: You've just mentioned Duncan Robinson a couple of times. His

537
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,319
arc on this team has been one hell of a drug. Yeah, Like,

538
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,599
what is the expectations for now? Him, especially over the

539
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:31,680
past like three years, has been fucking turbulent.

540
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,279
Speaker 2: It's insane. I at this point really just don't even

541
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,359
know what to expect anymore. He was the other guy that,

542
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,759
along with Caleb I by the end of the state

543
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,680
was like, I think I would be fine parting ways

544
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,640
with him. I just I don't know what to make

545
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:53,599
of him being so hot and cold. It doesn't really

546
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,880
seem motivated by you know, what's going on around him,

547
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720
and nor does it honestly seem opponent based. I don't know.

548
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,599
You know, when he first started getting into a shooting slump,

549
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,599
a lot of it was around kind of the chatter

550
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,640
with trades, and I was willing to kind of look

551
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,799
past that because he was a young guy. That was

552
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:14,920
the first time that his name had been thrown into anything.

553
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,200
You know. Then with the contract, it's just I don't

554
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,519
know if it's mental. I don't know if he's just

555
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,119
being scouted more. I don't know what's going on. Obviously

556
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,160
with that contract, it's going to be hard to move him.

557
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,759
But at this point, I just I don't I don't

558
00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:31,200
know how much we can depend on him.

559
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: Hayward high Smith. I kind of think that between what

560
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,480
he did defensively to the point of attack and then having

561
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,319
amahawkas it probably made it easier for Miami just to say,

562
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,400
when Caleb didn't want to opt in an extend, it

563
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,839
was like, all right, bye, how do you feel about

564
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,400
him taking on more responsibility next season? Not just defensively,

565
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,119
but that's another guy, you know, we go through this

566
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,000
Kurt roster like, Okay, those three point attempts need to

567
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:51,640
come up, buddy.

568
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really have a raid on that, honestly,

569
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,880
because I feel like he came out of nowhere and

570
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,759
then all of a sudden everyone was paying attention to

571
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,839
his defense rightly so, and now I think, to your point,

572
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,759
the question is what can we get offensively from him.

573
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,279
I'm glad he stuck around, though he seems like a

574
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,039
great guy. I think he's really given, you know, the

575
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,640
coaching staff and the front office reason to trust him,

576
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,400
not only in terms of x's and o's, but in

577
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,720
terms of what he is willing to give to the team.

578
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,680
I'm just I don't know. I think that you know

579
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,440
what you had said at the beginning and even before

580
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,039
we started recording, there are so many question marks this

581
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,680
season that on the one hand, people may be a

582
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,640
little bit worried, but on the other hand, like it's

583
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,359
kind of fun and kind of exciting to have absolutely

584
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,319
no idea what the season holds.

585
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: I feel like this might be a season where Eric S.

586
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,119
Pololstra could be in his bag, just because you have

587
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,720
all these question marks. Not everyone's young, but like a

588
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,599
lot of players who are still developing or just relative

589
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:54,160
unknown quantities. And I do feel like Eric polstro is

590
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,759
one of those dudes where it's like, oh, he'll coach

591
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:56,400
the hell out of that.

592
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: To you, he loves chaos two. I like literally feel

593
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,519
like when every thing is aligned, he just doesn't know

594
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:03,240
what to do. It's like, wait, we're all healthy and

595
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,839
we have this great team, but then it's like suddenly

596
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,480
there's all these injuries, and there's all these guys who

597
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,920
know knows anything about and he's just like coaching his

598
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,960
butt off. So yeah, I actually agree, and I just

599
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:22,319
I think the team all really wants to prove themselves

600
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,559
and prove kind of to the rest of the league

601
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,839
that they are worth being feared. But I think they're

602
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,039
also just loving the kind of underdog narrative that is continuing.

603
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,039
Speaker 1: How are you feelingout Nikola Yovic these days? What you

604
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,279
make of his last last season as a sophomore, and

605
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,960
what are your expectations for him in year three?

606
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: He looked good this summer. I was pleasantly surprised by that.

607
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,279
I do take that with a grain of sealtho, because

608
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:47,279
it's a very different league and you're playing a different

609
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:52,400
style of basketball. I don't know if I'm willing to

610
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,480
trust him enough to put him in a starting lineup,

611
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,279
for example, but I do think that the kind of

612
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,559
rooking nerves have shaken off and that he's gotten a

613
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,519
lot stronger defensively. He also seems to be taking his

614
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,519
time a little bit more. He almost seemed to be

615
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,359
very rushed with every possession, at least in his rookie year.

616
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:15,759
So I am curious to see how that goes. But

617
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,839
I'm not like fully on board the train yet.

618
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,039
Speaker 1: Oh I am. I am happy.

619
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: I know.

620
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm happy you mentioned his defense because I thought he

621
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:27,319
improved a lot there. He gave him some good rebounding.

622
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:28,720
He was like some of the assignments he had to

623
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:30,039
take on, or just some of the guys he spent

624
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,480
the most time on, Like those are like actual bigs

625
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,079
he was covering. And I've heard and read some people

626
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,359
just kind of writing him off as this defensive liability

627
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,599
or the offseason. I'm like, I don't think he's a

628
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:41,599
great defender, but like, if the option is, I don't

629
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:43,079
know if they'll go this route. They could start on

630
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,720
my hawk as and go a little smaller. But if

631
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,519
it's between who do we want starting alongside ban Kevin

632
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,079
lover Nikolai Yovich is like not even a question for me,

633
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:51,839
And I'm assuming that he don't want to revisit the

634
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,039
love at a Bio front quarter. Would they give it

635
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,119
like four games last year before they ripped it out,

636
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,079
like I can't even remember.

637
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they also like don't love playing size and Side

638
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,480
together just over the last decade.

639
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,559
Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like they want to though,

640
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,839
like they might be because look, they tried Kevin Love

641
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,880
and you remember, like a few years ago we even

642
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,240
talked about it the result before he got injured. There

643
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,119
was all this buzz about like they want to play

644
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,039
Gert and bam Adebio together, and so I feel like

645
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,200
they want to go big and they just can't figure

646
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,200
out how to do it.

647
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: But I think part of that, though is when they're

648
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,160
looking to construct the roster, they're always looking for like

649
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:35,440
backups that aren't necessarily ready to even play alongside Bam

650
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,839
So for me, obviously, Kevin Love is a different situation

651
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,359
because he's more the other way where he's a little

652
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,839
bit too much of a veteran. But I don't know,

653
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,079
I feel like they give it like a game or two,

654
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,359
and then it's never revisited into like an absolute It's

655
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,920
either during absolute garbage time or like by absolute necessity.

656
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,519
Speaker 1: So another player Khalil Wayer, they draft him. Everyone loved

657
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,519
that pick. Give any early impressions of him.

658
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: So because my summer has been what it is, I

659
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,200
have not really been able to form that grade of

660
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,880
an opinion. Honestly, I barely. I think I might have

661
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,920
been able to watch like half a summer League game.

662
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,440
I will say from highlights I've seen, he looks ready.

663
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,359
Obviously there will be a little bit of a transition period,

664
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,200
but I don't think it's going to be one of

665
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,880
those players that needs a year a year and a

666
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,240
half to really get his feet under him. I think

667
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:27,240
that obviously the size is there, but also the skill

668
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,440
set beyond the size seems to be there. I'm just

669
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,519
I have not watched enough to make kind of a

670
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:35,119
strong opinion one way or the other.

671
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: I hope they play him because my early impressions of

672
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:40,200
him are like he will come in and make an

673
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,480
immediate impact. They need rim pressure, and he will give

674
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,839
you that if you give him at least some of

675
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,039
a runway once he's catching the ball. I think he's

676
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,759
gonna end up being my co host. Grant has talked

677
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:50,640
about like he could see him being like having a

678
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,319
Derek Lively type vision to him when you're looking at

679
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,839
him moving the ball. That would be huge for Miami.

680
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,400
And you seem opposed to this based off what we

681
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,200
just said, but I'm actually kind of hoping they play

682
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,599
him in BAM together just to see what happens Defensively, I'm.

683
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,799
Speaker 2: Not opposed to it. I just feel like Spoe hates

684
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:08,880
it and I every year I feel like I call

685
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,480
for it and then I'm like, oh my god, it's happening,

686
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:13,920
and then thirty seconds later my dream has died and

687
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,240
then is not revisited until perhaps the next season. So

688
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,599
I don't I don't know. Maybe maybe they will, maybe we're.

689
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: They better and this will probably step on the toes

690
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,960
of the lineup we're going to talk about in a

691
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,240
couple of minutes, but like they will leave opposing offenses

692
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,279
in the fetal position if Bam and Khalil Ware and

693
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:31,920
Jimmy Butler and Hi may Hawk has or everyone on

694
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,000
the court at the same time, and I.

695
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: Saw okay, But I also kind of felt like that,

696
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,000
not to compare the two players, but I felt like

697
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,039
that with Thomas Bryant a little bit, and I'm so

698
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,799
I'm sad. I'm sad we got rid of him. Honestly,

699
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,000
but I was like, we could do something here. I'm

700
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000
not even saying like he didn't have the best hands,

701
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,160
but I feel like the energy was there, the size

702
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:55,000
was there. He obviously was on a team prior that

703
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,759
had gone had seen a lot of good talent. So

704
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,359
I'm like, we I don't Again, I don't of stats

705
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,759
in front of me, but I bet we tried that

706
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,240
maybe once, if even that.

707
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: Ye, you know, Thomas Bryant always had the energy of

708
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,119
just like a toddler wanding around the supermarket and moving

709
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,079
frantically but not really know where they're like what they're doing,

710
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:14,480
at least defensively. For me, that's the I don't know.

711
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,759
Speaker 2: I just feel like he was like genuinely so happy

712
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,319
for his team, like regardless of if you got any

713
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,039
playing time, Like he was the guy that I was

714
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,440
just rooting for, and I'm like, I feel like there

715
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,599
was more we could have done with him. I obviously

716
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,279
understand that I'm not privy to like practices or what

717
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,759
goes on behind the scenes, but to me, I I

718
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,400
was a little Obviously money plays into this, but I

719
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,039
was a little surprised that we didn't give him more

720
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:37,559
of a chance.

721
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,839
Speaker 1: Do you have any initial impressions of pel Larson because

722
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,160
I that's turn I.

723
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,519
Speaker 2: Literally wrote, please skip, have not have not had a

724
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:46,920
second to investigate this.

725
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Uh he kind of. I don't know what they're gonna

726
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,680
like the extent that they'll use him, but he reminds me,

727
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:54,640
having watched him play in summer leagues, I don't look

728
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,799
at these guys in college or anything. It's like, what

729
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,920
if Bruce Brown Junior could shoot way better and more

730
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,880
than he does, which is probably a pretty inflammatory thing

731
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,920
to say about. What was he drafted number forty four

732
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,840
and I remember at this point, but I'm hoping that

733
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,400
pel Larson just gets like even some spot burn for this,

734
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,199
Like there's injuries with the heat all the time, so

735
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,519
I would just like the human action.

736
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, given how well we've drafted, I would

737
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,199
not put them past drafting another gem. So excited to

738
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,760
see I was thinking about it the other day. I'm like, Wow,

739
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,199
I've probably this summer watched the least amount of basketball

740
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,880
or read anything probably in the last easily fifteen years

741
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,000
of my life. So I'm extra excited for the season

742
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,360
to start.

743
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,599
Speaker 1: That's honestly impressive when you consider we had the Olympics

744
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,039
too this year, so it's like there was topaly more actual.

745
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,159
Speaker 2: I watched one Olympic game one that was my capacity

746
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,360
this summer, so that probably should give you a sense

747
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,719
of what I've been dealing with. But this fall up

748
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,159
is so far looking a lot calmer, so excited to

749
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,920
take in all all things basketball.

750
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: We've kind of talked about this a little bit already,

751
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,679
but the heat neat offense. They were bottom ten, bottom

752
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,360
ten again for the second consecutive year. You can drop

753
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,960
some of that up to injuries, but at some point,

754
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480
like you have to be fairly concerned. We talk about

755
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,280
maybe kalil Ware will give them some additional rim pressure.

756
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,639
This team needs to play faster like they've been in

757
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,039
the bottom five of average offensive possession time for the

758
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,920
past two years too, Like what is just is that

759
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:21,960
like did we just kind of not show it like that?

760
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,119
Is that with and does this team, looking at the

761
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:27,159
personnel they have now, do they have the ability to

762
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,480
be much better, like noticeably better, like an above average

763
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,559
offense than we've seen these past two years?

764
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: I hope. So I don't think that we're I don't

765
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,719
know if we're going to ever completely change the style

766
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,639
our style of play or the type of offensive team

767
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,480
we are. I feel like Spoe, it's not to the

768
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,000
point where you know, Popovich Spurs were, but there is

769
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:56,599
some sort of like fundamental basketball with Spo and I

770
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,559
just I don't know if we're ever going to be

771
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:02,880
that quick team that's just chucking threes at a high

772
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:05,840
at a high clip. I think will be better, and

773
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,400
I do think the injuries play a significant part of that.

774
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,639
We also have a relatively young team that should help,

775
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,039
especially with you know, the new guys being picked up.

776
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:18,440
So I hope so, But I just I feel like

777
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:20,960
this past year was not the greatest indication of who

778
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,360
we could be.

779
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:24,039
Speaker 1: She's now like dealing with two years of it, so

780
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:25,960
I'm hoping we can. The thing I want to see

781
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,159
from them the most is like I want to see

782
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,519
them play faster. And it doesn't look if they're gonna

783
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:33,559
after you know, offenses hit their shots and they're gonna

784
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,760
have to slow things down. Okay, fine, but like after rebounds,

785
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,440
after forcing turnovers, like let's get let's kick the butts

786
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,440
into high gear. Like I know Jimmy Butler's like eighty

787
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,719
at this point, but that dude can play fast. And

788
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,159
they have you mentioned they have some younger guys on

789
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,440
Hayward high Smith can do it, but Batman Dvaio can

790
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,599
do it like haimay Hawks can absolutely do it. So

791
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,360
I'm hoping that we see at least a faster version

792
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,000
of the Heat because honestly, their best path towards getting

793
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,519
better on offense when you look at the personnel, especially

794
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,719
if you can't on health, it's just like create more

795
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,480
chaos and try and thrive in that well.

796
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: And it's funny that you mentioned Bam because I do.

797
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,559
It's almost like we forget how young he is or

798
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,239
how old he is. It's like we look at him

799
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,639
as this old head now because he's always being talked

800
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,679
about kind of in conversation with Jimmy Butler as his

801
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,199
number two. But he he should be acting like a

802
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,360
young guy, you know, I don't know. To me, he

803
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,039
definitely should be relied upon kind of moving faster, but

804
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,800
also just less of a like a veteran figurehead and

805
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,960
more of just someone who's in his prime, which he is.

806
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the cookie cutter portion of

807
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,440
the podcast?

808
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: Always?

809
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,519
Speaker 1: Is there anything about this team that is that we

810
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:44,920
have not discussed? Obviously, that's flying under the national radar

811
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,920
you think we need to talk.

812
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,679
Speaker 2: About I don't know. I feel like I sound like

813
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,960
a broken record at this point. I just think that

814
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,239
they love the underdog narrative and they know how much

815
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,800
they're being discounted right now. They know obviously the roster

816
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,159
has barely changed. I think that at I say full health,

817
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:06,440
but we're never fully healthy at most of our health.

818
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,360
I think we are going to shock a lot of people.

819
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:12,559
So I don't know. I'm just leaning into the whole

820
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,039
underdog narrative at this point.

821
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:17,119
Speaker 1: So you're you're like a really big believer in that

822
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,719
the front office does buy into the product that they

823
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,760
have currently assembled.

824
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe or two here and there. Do I think

825
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,519
that perhaps if they could move Duncan more easily they would, Yes,

826
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,719
But I think given what we have in kind of

827
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,199
the way that they're going about who they're retaining, and

828
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,679
also you know who they're drafting and so on, I

829
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,719
do think they believe in this team pretty strongly.

830
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: The thing that I'm wondering if it's receiving enough attention,

831
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,239
is whether they will have let's just say they're right

832
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,880
where you would expect them to be. They're in the

833
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,400
playoff hunt, do they have the urgency to make a

834
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,880
move and it basically has to be we know the

835
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,039
second April limitations, like they can't go into it so

836
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,320
they can aggregate salary, but they can't take back more money.

837
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,599
That's fine, That's where would you expect them just yeah, okay,

838
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,280
you have Bam, you have some younger guys, but like

839
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,760
you are on Jimmy Butler's timeline, do you think that

840
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,599
this is a team I don't even tell necessarily about

841
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:12,119
a blockbuster, but that they will operate with urgency if

842
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,039
the chance to upgrade presents itself in the middle of

843
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,199
the season, where those moves are one more difficult to negotiate.

844
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,039
But we kind of some of this with Terry Rozier.

845
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,880
It can be hard to integrate these guys in the

846
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:24,000
in midstream.

847
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: I do. I think though, that they're more focused right

848
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,880
now on showing everyone and themselves I guess what they

849
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,119
can do right now with this roster, because I think

850
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,519
without that, it's going to be even harder to attain

851
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,800
what they want to attain through moves at the deadline.

852
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,000
If they're kind of just showing that they're injured and

853
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,239
that you know, maybe it's another dut of a season.

854
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:48,639
I think that they need to focus more on how

855
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:52,559
they start off and get to that point. I am

856
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,840
usually one to say that, you know, player integration is

857
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,960
a big thing to consider, but I also think that

858
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,280
there's kind of of pros and cons with that. If

859
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,800
we are going off Jimmy's timeline, it's kind of at

860
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,840
this point you may as well take that risk, because

861
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,760
I think for the last year two three, they've played

862
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,599
it a little bit safe in terms of kind of

863
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,840
sticking with the roster and seeing what happens there. But

864
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,199
if they do come out like I think they will

865
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,840
for the first half of the season, I think they're

866
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,039
going to be in a good position to do something,

867
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,440
not to your point, necessarily some blockbuster move, but something

868
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,960
that would position them a lot better.

869
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,119
Speaker 1: To that end, you're looking at this roster right now,

870
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:35,360
without having seen any games, what is their biggest need

871
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:35,599
to you?

872
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: I think it's three point shooting. And I also am

873
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,280
not quite sure how I feel about our point guard

874
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,760
situation right now. That's not to necessarily say that I

875
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,679
don't feel good about it, but I just don't feel

876
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,800
like I've seen enough to feel any type of way.

877
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,400
I just feel like the Rogier experiment, it was just

878
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,639
not enough for me to make a good opinion one

879
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,039
way or another. So I'm a little bit there's a

880
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,679
question mark for me there, which I.

881
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,639
Speaker 1: Think is unbelievably fair. By the way, because they do

882
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,400
have self creators on this team, Bam, Jimmy Tyler Hero,

883
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,840
Alec Burks is one of those guys like Alec Burks.

884
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: Will which I keep forgetting about.

885
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:18,639
Speaker 1: So I probably win the heat like two or three games.

886
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,360
He also might cost them like two or three games.

887
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,280
That's how the Alec Burks experience works. And then you

888
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,280
do have Terry Rozier, who's always been to me more

889
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,679
of an off guard than a point guard. It's like,

890
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,239
you do have all these self creation options, and yet

891
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,519
I agree with you that I just have questions about

892
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:35,400
when it comes to floor generally, especially outside of Jimmy Butler,

893
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,000
is that still the area. And it's also like to

894
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,039
say that they might need when people say they need

895
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,119
shock creation, I do think they're mostly saying, well, they

896
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,480
wanted off the dribble three point shooter aside from Tyler

897
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:48,880
Hero on this roster, which again to me would be fair. Yeah,

898
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,800
this is a tough question. So I think we need

899
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,079
to break it down. I want to know about their

900
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,639
top ten rotation at full strength. But the heat, as

901
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,559
you already said, have so many question marks. Let's start here.

902
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:01,280
Who would you start? Who would be the starting five

903
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,599
if everybody's healthy for you?

904
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: So I had Terry, Jimmy, Hamae, Duncan, and Bam, which

905
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,920
was vastly different than where you had.

906
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,599
Speaker 1: Well, I told you before we started this team is

907
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,960
in so far as I have no fucking idea about anything,

908
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,280
I have even more less of an idea about this team.

909
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,599
So you would bring Tyler Hero off the bench?

910
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: I would. I know he's probably not. I don't think

911
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,800
that's necessarily what his ego wants, but I do think

912
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,079
he performs better. He's a guy who I feel like,

913
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,639
time after time just needs time to warm up. And

914
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,599
I also feel like they need a little bit of

915
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,760
flash coming off that bench. You know they have that

916
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,559
in BAM and Jimmy and Hamey as well. If we

917
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,320
are starting him, they just they need someone with a

918
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,599
little bit of something to lead that second unit. And

919
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:51,199
I'm offended that you left Jay rich off because to me,

920
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,679
he also gives a little something but I would have

921
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,239
Jay Rich and Tyler coming off the bench. Uh.

922
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,599
Speaker 1: Well, look, this top ten was tough. I thought about booting.

923
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,320
So let's look at their rote locks den. So even

924
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,440
if the starting lineup differs, it seems like they would

925
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,599
have eight locks for the top ten rotation in Hero Butler,

926
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,840
Jim Hawks, Nikoli, Jovich, Bam Terry, Duncan, Robinson, and Hayward

927
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,760
high Smith. Would you agree that all those guys would

928
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,440
be penciled into the full strength rotation?

929
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

930
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then the other two you want Jay Rich

931
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,480
in there, and then so you have like khalil Ware,

932
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:26,880
Alec Burks, Kevin Love, Like who's getting the shaft? Then

933
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:28,599
in not Kevin Love.

934
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:30,159
Speaker 2: I cannot. I could never do that.

935
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. I mean emotionally sure, but functionally I'm

936
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,480
kind of like I probably.

937
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,679
Speaker 2: Okay, but if you know anything about me, there's no

938
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,039
separating the two. I am like such a player player

939
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,440
first x is and O's second type of fan. I also,

940
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,360
I just think that in small bursts at the right moment,

941
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,519
but he Kevin can still hoop, and I feel like

942
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,760
sometimes when everything is looking super bleak, He's the one

943
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,639
who comes in gets you going again, and then he

944
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,719
stepped out and never never sees the floor again for

945
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,679
that the rest of that game. But I feel like

946
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,199
he's instrumental in lighting that fire, both from like a

947
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,639
moral standpoint, but also actually giving them whether it's it's

948
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,440
threes or honestly a little bit on defense too.

949
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,639
Speaker 1: So to be clear, I would have him in the

950
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:19,920
top ten rotation, and part of my calculus there was

951
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,400
he will throw outlet passes and if I want to

952
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,159
heat to play faster, that would be a good way

953
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,519
to start. I would have koleil Ware in there instead

954
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:28,679
of Jay Rich. Maybe I'm reading too much into the

955
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,880
injury and the type of season he had last year.

956
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:32,559
I just want to see khalil Ware. I think that's

957
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:34,400
really where you know you have loved Bias.

958
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: It has been my boy since day one.

959
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: So I in the middle and just say that pel

960
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,360
Larson should start. Can we all at least get on

961
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,239
the same page there?

962
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally not a hot take at all.

963
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:49,039
Speaker 1: This will be matchup dependent to some extent. But if

964
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,199
you had to guess what will be their most used

965
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,760
crunch time unit this season, which five players would you

966
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,079
go with?

967
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 2: I capped it honestly at Jimmy Bamman Hame. I think

968
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,960
the rest will be super like opponent driven and also

969
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:09,199
unfortunately injuries too. I just think those those three guys

970
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:11,639
are guys that I can always rely on, not only

971
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:15,519
in terms of giving both offensively and defensively what we need,

972
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,800
but making the right plays in those moments.

973
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,519
Speaker 1: I think I would agree with the locks. I think

974
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,599
you also have to kind of include like Terry Rozier

975
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:26,039
and Tyler Hero as one player where it's one of

976
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,159
those two will always be on the floor and crunch

977
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,679
time for the shooting, and then it gets super you

978
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,880
could throw out a bunch of different combinations if if

979
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,679
you're Miami. So I wish they tracked that a little

980
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:37,639
better like the crunch time lineups you play, because I

981
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,280
could see Heat being one of the teams that are

982
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
in like the ninety nine percentile the number of like

983
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,199
clutch time lineups that they use next year. Is there

984
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:48,880
a weird, funky offbeat off the Rails lineup that you

985
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,679
want to see this team?

986
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: I literally, like in my notes, was like, no, because

987
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,639
all of our lineups end up being that way because

988
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,119
of injuries. So I don't even want to put that

989
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,440
in the universe, And to your point, I feel like like,

990
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,880
obviously he wants his team healthy, but he thrives a

991
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,280
little when that happens. So I we're gonna see one inevitably.

992
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,039
I hope they're not often, and I hope they're not

993
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:12,559
always because of injuries, but they'll be out there.

994
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: See I bask in funky lineups, and so I'm gonna

995
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,760
lean into the kind of f shooting and say, gimme

996
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,280
Hay with high Smith Jimmy Jim Hawk as Bam and

997
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,559
khalil Ware and let's throw that out there and look,

998
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,199
if you need the shooting, I'm willing to sub out

999
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,920
Heywood high Smith for pel Larson and then that might

1000
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,199
just solve. That might be like top five offensive material.

1001
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: I honestly, I feel like you're gonna get a call

1002
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:36,920
and get recruited as some sort of the front office.

1003
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,199
Now they're just like that's so wacky. It might just work.

1004
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: And like you said, they're injured all the time. So

1005
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,440
I guess with this team it's kind of like, all right,

1006
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,320
you might as well just brace for forever.

1007
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,039
Speaker 2: I hope the more I say that, the more the

1008
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,519
universe is like, oh, you're onto me now. We're gonna

1009
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,440
have the healthiest season known today and like that's like

1010
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,880
reverse psychology with the universe currently and.

1011
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm also trying to manifest like playing time and success

1012
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,280
for pel Larson. We're gonna see it in the middle

1013
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,760
of next year. IM gonna dm in like January or February.

1014
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,400
It might be a loss that he might have been

1015
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,920
blown out by thirties and be like, you know, I

1016
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,599
kind of get what you were saying about Pel Larson

1017
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:11,119
five months ago. Okay, So keeping in theme with the

1018
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,159
heat not really changing, They're over under as we record

1019
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:17,480
this on September the tenth is forty four and a half.

1020
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,320
It was forty four and a half when we recorded

1021
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,239
last year, Alana, So would you take the over or

1022
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:22,800
the under?

1023
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,079
Speaker 2: I'm giving them forty nine wins this year.

1024
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,079
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, that is a lot.

1025
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: That's like I'm listen, I'm feeling good. I'm just gonna

1026
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,800
lean all the way into this. I'm excited and that

1027
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,599
could just be because I'm basketball deprived, but I don't know.

1028
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,840
I think we're going to do a lot better and

1029
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,480
a lot more than a lot of people think.

1030
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,199
Speaker 1: I'm assuming then that you believe like they're probably going

1031
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,400
to have a top five defense or something, or you're

1032
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,039
just like that big of a believer in what the

1033
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:50,840
offense could be.

1034
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of it is leaning

1035
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,840
on defense, and I think a lot of it is

1036
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,559
also just leaning on guys like Hame coming back and

1037
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,199
being like you thought my rookie year was great, just eight.

1038
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,880
So I'm just I think we saw glimpses, in my opinion,

1039
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,559
especially during the playoffs, of what this team really could

1040
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:12,239
have been. And I'm just hopeful hoping that with enough

1041
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,159
health and you know, some development here and there for

1042
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,840
the young guys, that that's what we're gonna get a

1043
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,480
good eighty five percent of the time.

1044
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,039
Speaker 1: So I sent you a list of what I consider

1045
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,000
the most relevant Eastern Conference teams and so on. That

1046
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:30,320
list is the Boston Celtics, the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Milwaukee Bucks,

1047
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,760
the New York Knicks, the Philadelphia seventy six Ers, the

1048
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,880
Indiana Pacers, the Orlando Magic, and the Atlanta Hawks. Health

1049
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,719
is the caveat for everyone, so we don't need to

1050
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,119
factor that in. But of those eight teams, if you

1051
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:43,119
had to guess, you don't even necessarily need to go

1052
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,880
into the specific teams but how many of them do

1053
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,039
you see Miami being better than next year?

1054
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: I don't even remember who I listed, but I said.

1055
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:56,079
Speaker 1: Five, five seams. I think that might for me. That

1056
00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:00,239
might be so Boston, I'm gonna go no, And there's

1057
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,880
question marks with everyone, but I think i'd go no

1058
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:05,719
with the Sixers, the Knicks, and then at least one

1059
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,480
of the Bucks or the Calves, if not both of them.

1060
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,440
So five feels it, I might settle into like three

1061
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:12,840
or four. I'm pretty high on the Calves if the

1062
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,199
Bucks are healthy, and you could use the health caveat

1063
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,440
for the Bucks if you're gonna use it for the

1064
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,840
but like the Bucks, you have to use it for

1065
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,199
the heat as well, So if they're better than five,

1066
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,679
I mean, I guess that keeps in theme with your

1067
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,000
forty nine win prediction too. So since we seem to

1068
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,760
differ here a little bit, let's try and workshop this

1069
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,719
in a lightning round fashion. Boston. We agree they'll be

1070
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,280
better radulant. The rating champions are fraudulent, Yes.

1071
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: The ranting champions who had it basically handed to them

1072
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:45,559
on a silver platter. And I feel like, for some reason, uh,

1073
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,199
Jason Tatum has now become as annoying as Jill and Brown,

1074
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,760
which makes me sad because he was the one Celtic

1075
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,840
that I was rooting for. So I feel some self

1076
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:56,880
implosion happening.

1077
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,639
Speaker 1: I mean, how was it hit? Christoph's present was healthy

1078
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:02,719
for like two games in the playoffs or three games

1079
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,039
or whatever it was, and they won the title? Any

1080
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:05,440
I don't know if that you could call that hand

1081
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,440
in on a silver platter.

1082
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not I have.

1083
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: Hear me, you have a better regular season record than

1084
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,840
the Boston Celtics.

1085
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say yes, because I'm like, now so

1086
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,480
far into this narrative that I've created for my own

1087
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:21,000
perception of this heat season that sure, why not?

1088
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: All right? So let's frame this way. What should these teams?

1089
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,440
Do you think they have the best chance of having

1090
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:29,760
a better regular season record then Cleveland, Milwaukee, New York

1091
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:30,400
or Philly.

1092
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: I don't really have faith in Philly either, and I

1093
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,920
feel like, especially because they've made so many changes to

1094
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,800
their roster, that it's gonna be one of those things

1095
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,840
that I think it's gonna take time for them if

1096
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,639
they even get there.

1097
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would say all these teams we

1098
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:47,960
just talked about be better than the Heat. But to

1099
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,880
your point about Philly, the more I've thought about them

1100
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,039
this offseason, the more I've softened on how high I

1101
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:55,000
was with the supporting cast around the three stars and

1102
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,639
just the look the Miami Heat have health questions, the

1103
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,840
Joelle and beat of it all, with how many games

1104
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,320
is gonna play? How healthy will be?

1105
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: Certainly men I also the Bucks are kind of a

1106
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,000
question mark to me too. It's almost like they've been

1107
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,480
so reliable that like at some point it's gonna get stagnant.

1108
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,280
I don't know, there's something about the Bucks that I'm like,

1109
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,119
what now, Like you've kind of.

1110
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: Just they're old. It's just I mean, Giannis is fine,

1111
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,039
They've garytur Junior and there. I thought they did some

1112
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:24,159
nice work on the margins. I like AJ Green, but

1113
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,320
what does Dame look like? Chris Middleton just had dual

1114
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,599
ankle surgeries. Brook Lopez is gonna be what thirty five,

1115
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,960
thirty six? He was fine last year? But is there

1116
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,840
any drop off there? So there?

1117
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,559
Speaker 2: Yes, almost like we've reached to me, we've reached like

1118
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:39,400
the end of sustainability with them.

1119
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: To see I probably have them as the second best

1120
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,360
team in the East. I think that there's like this

1121
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,000
might be the Swan song, but they were so dominant

1122
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:49,000
when their four best players were on the court last

1123
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:51,960
year that I think that element is still there. It's

1124
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,280
the sustainability beyond next season I would worry about. But

1125
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,159
they Philly and Miami, for teams that are considered playoff hopefuls,

1126
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,800
have just like a lot of health question marks. When

1127
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,639
you kind of look at that.

1128
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,039
Speaker 2: That you put us in Philly in the same category

1129
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,920
with that deeply saddens me.

1130
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: Well, Philly has like one dude, and I guess Paul

1131
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,840
George has had some shoulder stuff. But Jimmy's always dealing

1132
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,039
with something, Tyler hero is always dealing with something, and

1133
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:21,719
then somebody else, a rotation player in Miami is just

1134
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,960
gonna miss a shit ton of time.

1135
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,519
Speaker 2: That's like, I completely agree on the health run. It's

1136
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:29,719
just you grouping them together in any sense that is

1137
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:30,960
the problem here.

1138
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,159
Speaker 1: I think you need to take that as a compliment

1139
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:36,000
given what happened to Miami last year.

1140
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,679
Speaker 2: Listen, I can't I can't support Philly, and it pains

1141
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,719
me because Kyle, like I and PJ. Tucker like there

1142
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,920
were reasons for me to like in theory be fine

1143
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,039
with Philly, but I just you can't do it.

1144
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: Is there anything else about Miami that we haven't discussed

1145
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,159
anyone else on the team, anything about this team that

1146
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:56,800
you would like to touch upon before I let you

1147
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,159
skip that.

1148
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:01,039
Speaker 2: I'm honestly just excited. I think you know as many

1149
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,519
question marks as there are, and I think we've addressed

1150
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,920
this ad nauseum, but there are just there's really so

1151
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,800
many unknowns. Tyler is going to be the one for

1152
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,440
me where I genuinely have no idea what's coming. I

1153
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,559
don't know which Tyler we're getting hit new haircut Tyler?

1154
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,119
Like are we are we entering a new era? I

1155
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:27,400
don't know? To me, Like, obviously BAM is the biggest

1156
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:37,360
storyline for me, just to see to it.

1157
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: Yep, you're good.

1158
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: Obviously this team has several question marks, and I did

1159
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,920
say that for me, BAM was kind of the biggest

1160
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,639
storyline to watch. But I am so curious what's going

1161
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,199
to happen with Tyler. I think for me, seeing what

1162
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,119
version of Tyler we're getting is going to be not

1163
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:57,960
necessarily the make or break for the season, but it

1164
00:53:58,039 --> 00:53:59,559
is going to be the most interesting thing.

1165
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: Alana, this was fun as always. Thank you for coming back.

1166
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,840
You're able just to tell our listeners where they can

1167
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,239
find you on the socials.

1168
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, just a lot of to how we're on

1169
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,440
all platforms. I might not come out of retirement until

1170
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,599
the next season again, but you can always find me

1171
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:20,719
on there for any ridiculous takes and probably going against

1172
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,719
e Twitter as usual.

1173
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,039
Speaker 1: Alana, thank you so much for your time as always,

1174
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:26,519
and as you know by now, I'll be talking and

1175
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:27,840
pestering you again down.

1176
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: A line sounds great.

1177
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: Thank you,