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<v Speaker 1>What do we do we get to begin this or

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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>So I just start?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean okay, let's turn somehow make words.

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<v Speaker 3>Go now, I mean why are you here? There must

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<v Speaker 3>be a reason for you to be here. Yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>here to fight for truth and justice in the American way.

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna end up fighting every elected official in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, here we are. It's August. This law

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<v Speaker 2>culture of John pod Horns in New York. Somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the wilds of New Jersey, I believe is rob Long, Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>As we speak.

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<v Speaker 1>I am here. I am in Princeton, Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>A Princeton Jersey, a beautiful place, is a problematic institution,

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<v Speaker 2>architecturally significant, and it has a train called the Dinky.

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<v Speaker 2>So these are some of the measure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I mean architectual significant.

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<v Speaker 5>And and it foisted Woodrow Wilson on our country, so

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<v Speaker 5>it has a lot to answer too.

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<v Speaker 1>True. Yeah, I mean architectually significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Architectually notable for its.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful I guess yes. Okay, they all look the same.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go, And of course in Washington in his lair,

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<v Speaker 2>Jonah Goldberg, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you I'm good.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just before we got on. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>This is probably gonna get me in a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 5>You may have maybe you've had this experience, maybe you haven't.

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<v Speaker 5>But like remember, like in high school, dudes used to

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<v Speaker 5>say about girls, oh she's good from far, but far

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<v Speaker 5>from good, Like if you saw him at a distance,

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<v Speaker 5>you thought they were looking when you got close. I

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<v Speaker 5>think we needed a term for that. That for people

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<v Speaker 5>who are really attractive in the little thumbnail avatar for

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<v Speaker 5>their Google profile or their Twitter profile, and then you

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<v Speaker 5>click on it to get a better look at them,

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<v Speaker 5>and you're like, oh, oh no, back back to the

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<v Speaker 5>thumbnail with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, thumbnails I'm offended. I'm deeply offended

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously you're referring to me, and so I understand

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<v Speaker 2>that I look better very little than I do in full.

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<v Speaker 6>So John, right now, I mean, our listeners can't hear,

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<v Speaker 6>but I can't see, but I can describe that you

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<v Speaker 6>are in what we call soft focus.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that you are in.

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<v Speaker 6>What some actresses would demand themselves to be filmed in constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, as I look at our zoom here, I

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<v Speaker 2>have gone into some weird pixelated fourth. It's like the

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<v Speaker 2>Brood from television in nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not adjust focus.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't adjust focus in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't touch anything because right now it's worth.

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<v Speaker 2>The internet is working poorly in some facts, which which

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<v Speaker 2>is which is nothing new here on.

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<v Speaker 1>Glock it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's any any technical problems.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a Fade don Away kind of situation. You got

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<v Speaker 6>a fade down Away thing going on where she would

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<v Speaker 6>always demand that her shot be a soft focused and

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<v Speaker 6>just to make sure that she was in fact in

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<v Speaker 6>soft focus.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So here's the interesting thing about Fade down Away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird you mentioned fade dun Away because.

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<v Speaker 6>From a millions ago on this podcast, it seems like

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<v Speaker 6>it's perfectly on brand.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly relating to the little picture of beauty versus the

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<v Speaker 2>big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Chris Starwalt texts me out of nowhere and says,

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<v Speaker 2>what was up with Fade down Away? Did people ever

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<v Speaker 2>think that she was attractive? And I was like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she was unbelievably beautiful. I do think that I never

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<v Speaker 2>found her sexy, but she was beautiful. And he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and I said, actually she was a

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<v Speaker 2>really good actress, famously difficult person. And then I think

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<v Speaker 2>I may have told We're now in the glop section

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<v Speaker 2>where I say, I think I may have told this

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<v Speaker 2>story before, but I will now tell the story again.

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<v Speaker 2>Stipulated stipulated, Yes, all stories may have been told before that.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a friend who was a publicist for CBS

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<v Speaker 2>and Fade Down Away did a sitcom on CBS in

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<v Speaker 2>like nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Four, something like this is my story, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, this is my story about my friend whose

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<v Speaker 2>initials were BA, who was a publicist at CBS, who

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<v Speaker 2>took who was taking Fade down Away to the as

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<v Speaker 2>it was called the Critics Press Tour at the Universe.

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<v Speaker 2>This one was at the Universal City Hotel, the Universal

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<v Speaker 2>the show at Universal City, and I was present for

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<v Speaker 2>it and my friend, who I will leave not unnamed

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<v Speaker 2>because it's her story. It's thirty one years later, but

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't the taurus of having exposed. Faye dun Away said,

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<v Speaker 2>before I do my panel, I have to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. Can you show me the bathroom? My friend

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<v Speaker 2>takes her into the bathroom, Faye Dunaway is wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>tube dress, very skinny, you know, and like cleaning dress.

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<v Speaker 2>And she she calls to my friend, she's excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend is out waiting for her, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>outside the stall, and she says, I'm having some trouble

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<v Speaker 2>adjusting everything. I need your help. And basically my friend

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<v Speaker 2>had to wipe fade done away and shortly thereafter left

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<v Speaker 2>the profession. Well that works public relations.

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<v Speaker 6>Although to be honest, that was not the least dignified

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<v Speaker 6>thing he did.

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<v Speaker 1>She public relations, she did.

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<v Speaker 2>At least it was a she.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the top twenty humiliating omens, but not not

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<v Speaker 6>number one I did. I already tell you, Mike fate

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<v Speaker 6>Don it's just we're to lose all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of our listeners this early.

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<v Speaker 6>I will tell you that she The show she was in,

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<v Speaker 6>I think it was the CBS was with Bob Urick,

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<v Speaker 6>and kind of a green acres thing, and and it

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<v Speaker 6>was a comedy. You have our comedy, which so somebody

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<v Speaker 6>had some kind of weird brain aneurysm in CBS who said,

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<v Speaker 6>I know Fate down Away for this sitcom, So they

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<v Speaker 6>put her in a sitcom. Of course, they test focus

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<v Speaker 6>group everything, and they focused group the first half of

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<v Speaker 6>the season, and the show's not doing very well. Everybody

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<v Speaker 6>loves Urick. Nobody loves her. Everybody hates her. They hate her,

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<v Speaker 6>they hate her. Dials down on Faye down Away, dials down,

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<v Speaker 6>way down. Everything they tried, they couldn't get her dials up.

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<v Speaker 6>And this show knew they needed to do something, because

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<v Speaker 6>you know CBS, especially reallies entirely on audience reads arch

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<v Speaker 6>entire episode that they knew was going to be focus

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<v Speaker 6>grouped in which fate Alick has to take care of

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<v Speaker 6>a box of puppies.

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<v Speaker 1>The theory being that puppy.

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<v Speaker 6>Everyone has puppies, so like she will bask in the

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<v Speaker 6>of puppies. And so they took it and they focus

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<v Speaker 6>puppies too.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she was so toxic.

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<v Speaker 6>She was so toxic that she made puppies unlikable, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty that's uh, you know, that is an accomplishment.

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<v Speaker 1>Put it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to give her, gotta give her credit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing about her was that she was willing to

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<v Speaker 2>play difficult, unpleasant and unsympathetic women at a time when

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<v Speaker 2>that was something that a lot of actresses would not do. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>she was Evelent Mulray in Chinatown, famously unpleasant. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>her oscar was for playing a like a gorgon the

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<v Speaker 2>Network that Diana Christensen in in Network. Uh, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know Bonnie and Bonnie and Clyde, and she that was her.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course then Joan Crawford like she played unsympathetic

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The first thing about her is she never had to

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<v Speaker 5>ask the director, what's my motivation?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, She stayed in character the whole time. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>she's still I have.

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<v Speaker 2>To say, I'm very puzzled by the fact that Starwalt

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<v Speaker 2>was somehow allergic or unable to appreciate her beauty, because

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<v Speaker 2>she was certainly astonishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a thing though, I mean, I mean, just to

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<v Speaker 6>broaden the conversation to include our listeners to the twenty

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<v Speaker 6>first century.

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<v Speaker 2>Sidney sweety yeah, can we just we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Can I can I finish? Do we think that.

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<v Speaker 6>Levels of attractiveness or the way we define attractiveness has

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<v Speaker 6>radically shifted in the past twenty thirty years? And I

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<v Speaker 6>think it has in only one sense, in that fitness

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<v Speaker 6>is I mean, everyone is sort of much more fit

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<v Speaker 6>than they ever were. I mean, if you watch old

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<v Speaker 6>movies where Kerry Grant takes off his shirt, you're like, yee, dude,

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<v Speaker 6>lay off the bread.

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<v Speaker 5>Johnny Weismuller did not have a six pack app as

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<v Speaker 5>toz No, No, he looked like a seal. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean he had some six packs. But that's the difference.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And so, I mean so I guess that is

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<v Speaker 6>part of the part of what.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Things change, right, I mean they there

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<v Speaker 1>was a thing. Was it Napoleon? I can't forget.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe it's Louis the sixteenth who was returning home. I

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<v Speaker 6>think it was Napoleon returning home after some war or

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<v Speaker 1>Was Josephine or Louis? Was Maria?

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<v Speaker 6>Tent out of something like He's wrote I will be

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<v Speaker 6>home and weeks don't bathe?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, those are those are those are those are changing standards.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that is for that is, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is for dur bathe.

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<v Speaker 5>So was it just who was Josephine the one who

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<v Speaker 5>had no teeth? And well, Napoleon had a lover for

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<v Speaker 5>whom historians have been trying to figure out in in

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<v Speaker 5>his letters about how much he loved and it was

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<v Speaker 5>like some expression the zigzags or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I got it, I got it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking in my explain Andrew Roberts's biography. It does

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<v Speaker 2>explain how everything that Andrew has written except that book

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, and how.

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<v Speaker 6>That it does explain how long ago that was that

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<v Speaker 6>a person felt it was necessary to specify to somebody

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<v Speaker 6>in France to not bathe like that's those are eons ago.

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<v Speaker 6>My god, you know the world is tilted on different

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<v Speaker 5>It's like someone writing from Newcastle bring cold.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, isn't that whatever? Is that what

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<v Speaker 2>everybody says about? How? And I think this is true

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<v Speaker 2>of seventy years ago, let alone one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. That you know, if you went in the

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<v Speaker 2>time machine, you went back in time. The thing that

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<v Speaker 2>would get you the worst was the smell that we

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<v Speaker 2>we don't even understand how much cleaner the air is,

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<v Speaker 1>But it feels like it should we should have.

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<v Speaker 6>manure and the smell of feces is kind of like

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<v Speaker 6>walking down the street in New York City. I was

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<v Speaker 6>my home, which smelled like a Charnel house. It smelled

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<v Speaker 6>unbelievably terrible, the worst smell ever worked. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 6>It's not great, but whatever, but I would have that

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<v Speaker 6>rotting meat, which permeated the entire house for two weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>You do? What did you do? How did you get

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<v Speaker 1>I I empty.

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<v Speaker 6>I threw everything out of from the refrigerator right and

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<v Speaker 6>stuff for five days until they can be collected. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 6>that's not my job. And then I I kind of

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<v Speaker 6>and put a fan pointing to the door. And by

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<v Speaker 6>day nine, and I really mean day nine, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 6>really smell it.

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<v Speaker 2>So wow, Because what about the rest of the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like candles? I mean, what did you what did.

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<v Speaker 1>You I like candles of course all the time, as

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<v Speaker 5>So because I don't know when I'll ever have an

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<v Speaker 5>opportunity on this podcast or any other. When you were

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<v Speaker 5>what God hath wrought this book about America from eighteen

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<v Speaker 5>and there's this great passage that really stuck out with me,

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<v Speaker 5>Life in America in eighteen fifteen was dirty, smelly, laborious,

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<v Speaker 5>and uncomfortable. People spent most of their waking hours working

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<v Speaker 5>interest unrelated to farming. Cobbler made shoes, being expensive and uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 5>country people of ordinary means went barefoot much of the time.

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<v Speaker 5>believe correctly sunshine bad for their skin. People usually owned

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<v Speaker 5>only a few changes of clothes and stank of sweat.

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<v Speaker 5>Only the most fastidious bathed as often as once a week.

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<v Speaker 5>Since water had to be carried from a spring or

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<v Speaker 5>gave themselves sponge bathses using the washed up Some bathed

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<v Speaker 5>once a year in the spring, but as late as

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<v Speaker 5>eighteen thirty two, a New England country doctor complained that

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<v Speaker 5>four out of five of his patients did not bathe

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<v Speaker 5>from one year to the next.

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<v Speaker 2>That's well, there's that story about the cowboys, right, the

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<v Speaker 2>cowboys would come into town for their annual bath. Right

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<v Speaker 2>that you would go into Fort Worth or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a town in tech after a cattle drive and you

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<v Speaker 2>would have your annual bath, and you would your annual bath.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so that's the thing about this is the

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<v Speaker 2>interesting phenomenon because we don't we don't know how good

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<v Speaker 2>we have it in this respect that we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with this question.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but if it always smells bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then it doesn't smell bad anymore or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, Like you know, it's like it's like if

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<v Speaker 6>everything is like it's sort of like politics and culture. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>if everything is terrible and weird, you just have to

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<v Speaker 5>That's it, everybody, Thanks for thanks for listening, Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we are we are being we have been

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<v Speaker 2>requested by our producer, Scott Emergot to discuss the cancelation

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<v Speaker 2>of of Stephen Colbert. Right, So here's what I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say about that. Yay. I don't really have much

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<v Speaker 2>else to say except yeay. I hate him. I've hated

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<v Speaker 2>him for years. He's not funny. I don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>be preached. You know, if I want to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>a televangelist, I will listen. I don't want to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to any televangelists, but I certainly don't need to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to a liberal televangelist at the eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty at night.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm very happy that he had been retired, hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been retired. He's getting ten months two wind down, so

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<v Speaker 2>muzzle talk to him. It's all I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>is yay. Is there anything else say but yeay?

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say I did.

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<v Speaker 6>The only thing I would want to be persnickety about

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<v Speaker 6>because I had this argument with a good friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 6>is that Stephen Colbert was not fired and he was

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<v Speaker 6>not canceled. His show was canceled. The category was canceled,

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<v Speaker 6>so it doesn't make any money. It was really invented

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<v Speaker 6>out of whole cloth, just to find a place for

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<v Speaker 6>David Letterman. It's a very very very very competitive category

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<v Speaker 6>in which the profit overall profit's gone way down, So

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<v Speaker 6>the pie is shrinking and shrinking and shrinking, and there

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<v Speaker 6>are more people slicing it and slicing it. It made

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<v Speaker 6>no financial sense to have that show on.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean all the people screaming yelling about how oh

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<v Speaker 6>my god, you know, he's been censored because he was

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<v Speaker 6>too liberal anti Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>The show has been canceled.

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<v Speaker 6>If they really wanted to koutout at Trump, they would

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<v Speaker 6>have hired somebody who was a political They didn't they

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<v Speaker 6>because it doesn't make any money, and so it's just

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<v Speaker 6>important for.

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<v Speaker 2>It was losing, losing, And there was a point at

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<v Speaker 2>which Johnny Carson made was it forty percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>annual profit of NBC came.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Carson was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody means forty percent of the profit of a nationwide network.

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<v Speaker 2>And he got paid a lot of the three and

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<v Speaker 2>he got paid I think the equivalent of two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars a year or something like that when you

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<v Speaker 2>took in everything cuts. He got of avertisements and he

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<v Speaker 2>worked three days a week and stuff like that like

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<v Speaker 2>he did. And by the way, that's an interesting aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of this which is a little discussed, is these guys

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<v Speaker 2>now I think Jimmy Kimmel and ABC takes the summer off.

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<v Speaker 2>But for years the idea was and Leno I think

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<v Speaker 2>started this when he came on and was like he

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<v Speaker 2>and he and Letterman were locked in more. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Carson had guest host, Carson took ten weeks off, Carson

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<v Speaker 2>only did three days a week, blah blah blah. And

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of that, he was able to stay

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<v Speaker 2>on the air for thirty five years or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And these guys will not get off the stage like

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<v Speaker 2>they want. If they have an hour, they're there for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour. They're there two hundred times a year, an

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<v Speaker 2>hour every night, and it's like, I wonder they seem

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<v Speaker 2>to burn out or not before or get old, or

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<v Speaker 2>it's like all old and nobody wants to watch it,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's too much. It's like having a podcast every day.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just too much, just too much.

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<v Speaker 1>The audience has fatigue.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience has fatigue.

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<v Speaker 1>You end up just sounding like it's a machine.

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<v Speaker 2>You can just those podcasts where people are on every

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too much, too much.

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<v Speaker 5>So uh, I'm so many ways I could go with this,

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<v Speaker 5>but keep it, keep it on Colbert for a moment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, like all the analysis has been said, it

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<v Speaker 5>was a broadcast show in a narrow cast media environment. YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 5>All that stuff is true. He's doing fan service and

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<v Speaker 5>he just had he just had Robert Reisch on his

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<v Speaker 5>show because that's what you know, that's what the young'ins

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he needed someone to pick up that thing that

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<v Speaker 2>was between the desk and the wall. You know, no

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<v Speaker 2>one else to it.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do think that there's one part of which

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<v Speaker 5>is probably worth just sort of glancing over here, one

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<v Speaker 5>part of the conservative criticism that I think is wrong

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<v Speaker 5>that got a lot of currency out there. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>we've talked about a million times that old you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Roger All's genius was to discover this niche half the

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of Conservatis saying doing this whole like Colbert

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<v Speaker 5>was only speaking to his fan base, and that's an

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<v Speaker 5>MSNBC fan base, and he was sharing it with two

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<v Speaker 5>other networks. And I think that's all true. And then

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<v Speaker 5>they would saying, look, look at the ratings that Gutfield gets.

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<v Speaker 5>The shows that like, you don't have to be a

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<v Speaker 5>left winger, YadA YadA dah. Also true. What they kind

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<v Speaker 5>of miss is that Gutfield's ratings, which are good for

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<v Speaker 5>a which are great for a cable show and better

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<v Speaker 5>than a lot of these broadcast networks, it's still just

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<v Speaker 5>another niche. It is not you know, he's not getting

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<v Speaker 5>Carson numbers or anything like that. And he's just as

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<v Speaker 5>The thing is like his show costs a tenth as much.

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<v Speaker 5>And I do think there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 5>who elided over this point that that gut Faeld doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>prove you can do mainstream stuff. It proves that you,

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<v Speaker 5>if you get your cost structure right, you can do

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<v Speaker 5>niche stuff successfully.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, I mean I think that's true. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know whether I you know, I have written

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<v Speaker 6>about this. Once the audience gets split into twelve pieces

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<v Speaker 6>and eleven of them are all one partisan side, then

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<v Speaker 6>the guy who is the only one is going to

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<v Speaker 6>clean up. Yeah, but if Leno and or Carson were

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<v Speaker 6>still in a chair, there will be no Greg Guttfeldt.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean we only the conservatives or sort of right

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<v Speaker 6>leaning types don't want to be hectored about politics by

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<v Speaker 6>the left. They don't mind it from the right, especially

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<v Speaker 6>they sort of rabbit. I mean, once you start saying,

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<v Speaker 6>all I want is a million people, but you can

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<v Speaker 6>always get a million crazies who or rabid diehards who

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<v Speaker 6>will watch you and laugh at every joke you make.

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<v Speaker 6>But the other problem with all these shows is that

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<v Speaker 6>even a successful TV show, people who say to them,

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<v Speaker 6>who say to people, I love Colbert, I love Colbert,

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<v Speaker 6>and then you ask them, Okay, how many times a

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<v Speaker 6>week you watch it?

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<v Speaker 5>Nurse, I love Colbert? How do I work this remote?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>What they What you find is they either don't watch it,

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<v Speaker 6>they watch the clips on TikTok or Instagram, or they

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<v Speaker 6>watch it once a week and now they think they

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<v Speaker 6>watch it every day, but they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody does.

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<v Speaker 6>So once you start splitting the audience like that, then

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<v Speaker 6>the guy that has the most reliable slice this is

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<v Speaker 6>the guy who does the best.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the other part of where the bias

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<v Speaker 2>argument does work. Because I agree with you that if

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<v Speaker 2>you can dominate a niche, then you are a niche.

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<v Speaker 2>You're niche programming, but can be very successful. But ordinarily

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<v Speaker 2>in a world in which like this podcast, totally like

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast. Ordinarily in a world like that, Guttfeld comes on,

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<v Speaker 2>he sort of figures out how to get two or

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<v Speaker 2>three million people or whatever it is. He gets it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then somebody would chase, like somebody would say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's figured out a formula, let's do a show like his.

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<v Speaker 2>But they don't. You see, they don't the other CNN

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<v Speaker 2>and MSNBC don't Chase, and CBSNBC and ANBC don't chase.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like Angels Studios comes out, they make Sound of Freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound of Freedom makes two hundred and fifty million dollars domestic,

475
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<v Speaker 2>and everybody says, oh, you know, in Hollywood, all they

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<v Speaker 2>care about is profit. If you can show that you

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<v Speaker 2>can make money, you can make a profit, they'll make

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<v Speaker 2>the move. That's they're not idiologically driven. They want money

479
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<v Speaker 2>and that's all they want. And all this, where are

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<v Speaker 2>the other Sounds of Freedom? It's been through by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound of Freedom was made for Fox five years before

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<v Speaker 2>it was released and they put it on a shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is that weird aspect of this, which is

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<v Speaker 2>that underserved audience that Fox has made billions and billions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars on. It has made billions of billions dollars

486
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<v Speaker 2>on for two decades or twenty five years, because it's

487
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<v Speaker 2>still so toxic to everybody else in the news and

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment business to even touch the Fox audience that they

489
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<v Speaker 2>have been, they have left it unmolested and totally in

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of Rupert and Lachlan and whoever else and

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<v Speaker 2>whoever it is that they put on the air. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's interesting as a market as a bizarre market failure.

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<v Speaker 5>I have slightly different take on that. So, like part

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<v Speaker 5>of our argument when we were launching the Dispatch was

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<v Speaker 5>this market gap argument that like, there's this eight hundred

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<v Speaker 5>pound gorilla of Fox, and then there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>the mainstream media and there's this stuff. You know, the

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<v Speaker 5>economist is sort of in this space. But there are

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<v Speaker 5>not a lot of things in the that white gap

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<v Speaker 5>that value reporting that are right of center but aren't

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<v Speaker 5>like Foxy. And the funny thing is there are a

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<v Speaker 5>bunch of places that have tried it. Oh, an started

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<v Speaker 5>trying to make that kind of argument, right, And the

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<v Speaker 5>problem is is that the sticky eyeballs for cable news

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<v Speaker 5>want want red meat, want the raw stuff. And so

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<v Speaker 5>O N decided it was going to go crazier than

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<v Speaker 5>Fox as the model. So did Newsmax right, and that

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<v Speaker 5>the model became Fox has gone to stream to tell

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<v Speaker 5>you that the election really was stolen, at least in

510
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<v Speaker 5>its news reporting, and so they went even nuttier. And

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<v Speaker 5>that freaked the crap out of Fox because the one

512
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<v Speaker 5>thing they couldn't their brains couldn't handle was being first

513
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<v Speaker 5>of all, losing in the ratings than any fifteen minute increment.

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<v Speaker 5>But secondly, you know, I had to go to school

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<v Speaker 5>on this because I got I got subpoena and for

516
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<v Speaker 5>the dominion lawsuit stuff, and they had to go They

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't freak. They completely freaked out and change their internal

518
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<v Speaker 5>policies in response to Martha McCallum losing for one hour

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<v Speaker 5>during the recount crap not recount, the stolen election stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>and all of these plans, the pivot back to the

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<v Speaker 5>center and be more serious went out the window because

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<v Speaker 5>they can just they know everyone's cutting chords. They know

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<v Speaker 5>that their viewers are gonna be the last ones to

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<v Speaker 5>cut chords. And it's a giant ATM machine, so you

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<v Speaker 5>might as well keep pandering for as long as it's

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<v Speaker 5>throwing off cash. And they had to crush Newsmax and

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<v Speaker 5>Oan for biting into that business model.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, I mean the interesting thing about all that

529
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<v Speaker 6>is how much these things develop and how often what

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<v Speaker 6>they say they want to do then meets market realities

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<v Speaker 6>and they have to change. So I mean, Newsmax went

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<v Speaker 6>on TV, became a network, and the business plan of

533
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<v Speaker 6>Newsmax was old people lifestyle stuff. It was not supposed

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<v Speaker 6>to be. They didn't want politics. They just want an

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<v Speaker 6>old people lifestyle. They wanted vitamins and wellness and culture

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<v Speaker 6>of stuff. They wanted all that. And I remember that

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<v Speaker 6>because the guy who runs and told me this. And

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<v Speaker 6>then you get there and you start, you know, you

539
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<v Speaker 6>start looking and it gets hard and you got to

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<v Speaker 6>make the money. And then there's this, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 6>this machine where you can make some money and you

542
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<v Speaker 6>and you keep saying to yourself, well, we own you

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<v Speaker 6>do this for a little bit, and then we're going

544
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<v Speaker 6>to pivot back to the stuff that isn't toxic and

545
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<v Speaker 6>isn't gonna bring us all down or cost us a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of money eventually. That doesn't work, right. I Mean,

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<v Speaker 6>the only thing I think you could maybe say as

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<v Speaker 6>successful has been the rebranding, which was never done publicly

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<v Speaker 6>or never announcement. You could see it on the programming

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<v Speaker 6>of Fox Nation, which was supposed to be Fox Nation,

551
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<v Speaker 6>supposed to be the looney bit, right, so everybody who's

552
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<v Speaker 6>too crazy for the for TV, who might get a sued,

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<v Speaker 6>We're gonna put on the streaming service and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 6>be bananas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be diamond and Silk and Dan Bongino

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<v Speaker 1>and all sorts of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Deputy sorry, Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino.

558
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<v Speaker 1>Like all that.

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<v Speaker 6>And they discovered that that and they were committing directly

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<v Speaker 6>with newsbacks, and they decided that was probably not a

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<v Speaker 6>valuable thing to do. It was just too stinky to

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<v Speaker 6>the brand. So then they pivoted and now they have

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<v Speaker 6>like you know, they have fancy program they good program

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<v Speaker 6>in Fox Nation. It's really I mean, I've worked for it,

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<v Speaker 6>I've done shows for I'm hoping you do another one.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're great. I mean, they're it's a really great network.

567
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<v Speaker 1>They have really really good.

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<v Speaker 6>Shows, and then Martin Scorsese won and they have you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they had the one I did, and they have a

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<v Speaker 6>bunch of things, and they are they they understand who

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<v Speaker 6>their audience is, but they're not trying to they're not

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<v Speaker 6>trying to pander to its politics. Just to as sort

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<v Speaker 6>of kind of cultural stance. You really do have to

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<v Speaker 6>be able to read the tea leaves to watch Fox Nation, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The basic Fox station is basically the twenty four hour

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<v Speaker 2>documentary version of a Budweiser commercial during the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>or a Chevrolet commercial during the super Bowl. It's light focus.

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<v Speaker 2>America is great, and it's a country of individualists who.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nineteen fifties A and E. Nineteen fifty Yeah, on that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a good market position. Again, not only does

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<v Speaker 2>it not only is it serving an underserved audience. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a subscription service, so they'll know if it doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll just close it down or they'll sell it,

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<v Speaker 2>or they'll do something else. But again, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of view or vision or projection of the

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<v Speaker 2>country that you just don't get elsewhere, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>part of how you open a market up. There is

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<v Speaker 2>this thing going on, and Jonah, you and I should

589
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<v Speaker 2>you and I should discourse on this Superman movie opened, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the first Superman movie since Man of.

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<v Speaker 5>Steel, since the last one, for sure, No.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean there was one with called Man of Steel.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Superman was in various movies with Batman the Justice.

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<v Speaker 2>But Man of Steel, which was in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>nine and was the humorless brooding Superman fighting the other

596
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<v Speaker 2>Kryptonians after you know, came in after a previous one.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there was Christopher Reeve. So here we have

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<v Speaker 2>this new Superman and it's doing really well at the

599
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<v Speaker 2>domestic box office, and it's apparently not doing particularly well overseas.

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<v Speaker 2>The Chinese market is now basic. China's decided it does

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<v Speaker 2>not want to open its cinemas to American movies. It

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<v Speaker 2>is now making a lot of movies on its own.

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<v Speaker 2>The most popular movie of twenty twenty five is a

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese animated movie called Neja two, which has made two

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<v Speaker 2>point two billion dollars, almost not of it here. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's made eighteen million dollars here, and you know,

607
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<v Speaker 2>two billion dollars in China and then money abroad. So

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<v Speaker 2>Superman's made about three hundred and fifty million dollars here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not making money abroad. And there is this line

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<v Speaker 2>that is now being peddled that the reason that Superman

611
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<v Speaker 2>is not popular outside the United States is because the

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<v Speaker 2>world now hates America because of Donald Trump, and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want Superman is an American hero and not a

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<v Speaker 2>world hero, and they don't like him, and yeah, bah blah,

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<v Speaker 2>bah blah, and the thin I don't maybe it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe people don't want to see the

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<v Speaker 2>most famous the character that originated comic books and made

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<v Speaker 2>comic books popular and is the oldest character in comics

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<v Speaker 2>except for Batman. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>So uh, there's a great irony in this, right, because

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<v Speaker 5>I was guilty of it too. Hollywood kept trying to

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<v Speaker 5>make Superman a globalist, right, a citizen of the world,

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<v Speaker 5>diogenies and tights, right, and and concerned, you know, they

624
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<v Speaker 5>cut out and the American Way from some of them

625
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 5>and all that kind of stuff, and and it was

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<v Speaker 5>one of those sort of minor pop culture culture war truveralls.

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<v Speaker 5>And so it's kind of funny that now the if

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<v Speaker 5>it's true that the headwind for Superman is because he's

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<v Speaker 5>an American, that that we're getting that when America during

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<v Speaker 5>America first stuff. I look, I don't know, I'm torn.

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<v Speaker 5>I suspect that some of it is a superhero fatigue, right,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we were talking about that twenty minutes ago

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<v Speaker 5>before this movie, so obviously that's got to be a thing.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of Marvel movies, you know, petered out because

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<v Speaker 5>people were just like enough already. Disney doesn't do as

636
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<v Speaker 5>well as Marvel movies, though, do for good reason, because

637
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.760
<v Speaker 5>it's worth worst content. And so I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's entirely possible. I remember one of the

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<v Speaker 5>I think the first piece I ever wrote for National

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<v Speaker 5>Review was about how the guys who had made Independence

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<v Speaker 5>Day their follow on movie was Godzilla, the Matthew Broderick

642
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 5>Godzilla and independancegue I got all this blowback because it

643
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.320
<v Speaker 5>was too American and that America was leading in the

644
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.320
<v Speaker 5>world and all this kind of stuff. And so the

645
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.599
<v Speaker 5>Godzilla movie, the American Army were all hapless losers and

646
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 5>idiot It's the American political leadership was all losers. The

647
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 5>only real badasses who knew what they were doing were

648
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 5>the French, and I think that there's some gaming like that,

649
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, for these kinds of things. I just didn't

650
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 5>the only thing I and this is the only thing

651
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 5>where I actually disagree with you, and I'm loath to

652
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.760
<v Speaker 5>bring in Israel. So I was I think it was

653
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.320
<v Speaker 5>more anti Israel than you're you've given it credit for.

654
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 5>And I want to be really clear, I think that

655
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<v Speaker 5>the one of the few things that all of John's

656
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 5>detractors and his super fans will agree on is that

657
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 5>John has very sensitive antennae for insults to the State

658
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 5>of Israel and the Jews. And so when you told

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<v Speaker 5>me that it's all stupid, I was like, well, John

660
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 5>says that it's got to be true. And then I

661
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 5>watched it with my daughter, and my daughter like immediately

662
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:58.440
<v Speaker 5>that they're talking about Israel and and I kind of

663
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<v Speaker 5>waved her off and said, we'll talk about it afterwards.

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<v Speaker 5>And then, you know, I understand why people had that interpretation.

665
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<v Speaker 2>Morea we should explain for people who haven't seen the

666
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.760
<v Speaker 2>movie that Superman involves himself in a cross border war

667
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:17.719
<v Speaker 2>between a country that is clearly run by a Vladimir

668
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Putin substitute and a defenseless country on his border. Uh,

669
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<v Speaker 2>and everything is being manipulated by Lex Luthor in some

670
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>fashion and I can't even remember what, and that the

671
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:34.840
<v Speaker 2>cross border of the people that he is attacking look

672
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>vaguely Middle Eastern and as though they literally just come

673
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>out of Lawrence of Arabia or something. They're sort of

674
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<v Speaker 2>like in desert clothing there there. I don't know. They

675
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:53.400
<v Speaker 2>they have vests, woolen vests, and they have sticks.

676
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 5>And standing around in.

677
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>A musical note whenever they appear, and it goes.

678
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it's just that they're staying there facing this.

679
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>They're facing this, you know, like first World army, and

680
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:17.599
<v Speaker 2>then they're a bunch of ragtag rebels. And people have

681
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>read this as though this is clearly meant to read

682
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>like the Palestinians in Gaza. But I didn't read it

683
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 2>that way for this reason, which is that the antagonist

684
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 2>is Putin and the movie was written and started filming

685
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three, and remember October seven didn't start

686
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:49.440
<v Speaker 2>happening until October of twenty twenty three, and so I

687
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 2>thought it was clear that it was supposed to be

688
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>some kind of Ukraine thing, except that the Ukrainians look

689
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 2>more like Afghanis than they did like Ukrainians. I don't

690
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>dispute that if you watch it in twenty twenty five,

691
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>after the last two years, when you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>at these people that Superman is trying to protect from

693
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<v Speaker 2>from the evil Putin guy, that that they you, that's

694
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.360
<v Speaker 2>how you would read it. I just don't think that

695
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 2>that was what was intended. But what do I know?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So two data points three data points. One, we

697
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 5>should stipulate that the movie is pretty stupid. I mean,

698
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 5>it's fun, but we shouldn't take it too seriously. But

699
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 5>this is a serious interpretation that people are having, right.

700
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 5>So second, the I agree that it's supposed to have

701
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 5>some overtones of the Russia thing too. It's like an amalgam,

702
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:48.760
<v Speaker 5>but the leader of the evil country kind of talks

703
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 5>more like an Ariel Sharon and looks more like in

704
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 5>Israeli with the with the weird Harry doesn't look like

705
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.199
<v Speaker 5>Vladimir Putin. And he gives this little speech at one

706
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 5>point where he says, America and Zavonia, whatever the name

707
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 5>of the country is, we had a rock solid alliance

708
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.880
<v Speaker 5>until Superman got in the way. Going back decades, we've

709
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:12.440
<v Speaker 5>never had a Rocksoud alliance with Vladimir Putin right, and

710
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:17.119
<v Speaker 5>so it was. And also just the unbelievably I mean

711
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:26.480
<v Speaker 5>you called them the innocent victims whatever rebels. I mean,

712
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 5>they were like literally like holding I don't know, mops

713
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 5>and sticks and stuff, and so it just it seemed

714
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 5>like a hamhanded way to it. If it was trying

715
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:43.159
<v Speaker 5>to play off of Ukraine, it kind of failed miserably,

716
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 5>I thought, and lent aid and comfort to people who

717
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.239
<v Speaker 5>wanted to say it was about Israel.

718
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

719
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 2>The country the countries in the bad country is called Bravia.

720
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 2>And the country that they invade with the people with

721
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:03.119
<v Speaker 2>the sticks who were Superman protect who super Instrra, it's

722
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 2>called Jarhanpour. So we're Braven. President's name is a vasil Gurkhos.

723
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, Jarhanpour sounds south like it's South Asia. Anyway,

724
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not defending it it is. I enjoyed it. I

725
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:26.199
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed much of the movie. I wish that it hadn't

726
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>gone into this weird place where he's in the anti

727
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.679
<v Speaker 2>matter river that's leading to the black hole and stuff

728
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.639
<v Speaker 2>like that. What was good about it was what is

729
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 2>always good about Superman movies, which is the conflict between

730
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Superman and Lex Luthor, which is always good, and the

731
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.119
<v Speaker 2>relationship between Superman and Lois Lane, which is always good.

732
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:56.199
<v Speaker 2>And the how he saves people from efforts to trash

733
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:01.320
<v Speaker 2>them and say he saves them and invent ways and

734
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>that's really good. And some of the other superheroes are

735
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 2>funnier than I expected.

736
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:12.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I otherwise it's I had to have Tevy Troy,

737
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 5>our friend Tevy Troy explained to me why is Green

738
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 5>Lantern such an unbelievable dickhead? And he explained it to me,

739
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:20.880
<v Speaker 5>it's a new character, blah blah, but it's a thing

740
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 5>in the comics. The one complaint I have, and it's

741
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.800
<v Speaker 5>true of his Suicide Squad movies too, James Gunn Yeah,

742
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:28.880
<v Speaker 5>the James Gunner director.

743
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like.

744
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 5>They want these things to be so visually distinct from Marvel.

745
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 5>That but Marvel took all of the good set colors

746
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.800
<v Speaker 5>and paint colors and costume colors, the whole all the

747
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 5>good palette. And so that's a lot of like Japanese

748
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:53.000
<v Speaker 5>lunchbox pink and weird color profiles that I just I

749
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 5>think there's a reason why Marvel doesn't use those colors

750
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 5>because it's kind of stupid.

751
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 2>So the whole thing kind of look. I got to

752
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.199
<v Speaker 2>move on, and Rob is looking like he wants to.

753
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 6>No. I'm actually sort of interesting because when you mentioned

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00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 6>I mean, this is not minutes ago. But I made

755
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 6>a little note because when you mentioned the antimatter thing

756
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 6>and then the black hole, I thought what was interesting

757
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 6>was their comment that the components of traditional science fiction.

758
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 2>No, but I do have to ask Jonah, because Jonah

759
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is a comic book person and there is this big

760
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>comic book movie that came out Fantastic four.

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00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 1>First steps were moving on, but I guess we're not.

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00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 2>No, I just want to do two minutes on this

763
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and then move on. So as I understand it, Fantastic four,

764
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 2>which debut I think at the beginning of the sixties.

765
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.960
<v Speaker 2>This is now like the seventeenth effort to reboot the

766
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic Four. And it looks really good. And because it

767
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 2>looks like The Incredibles, it's like a live action version.

768
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like their way of making them.

769
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.199
<v Speaker 1>A giant first weekend, giant first weekend.

770
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 2>And then and then it collapsed. But it looks like Incredibles,

771
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and I think the Fantastic four is unbelievably stupid as

772
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 2>a I don't understand why. I mean, I didn't read

773
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 2>that's so, there's stretchy arms, there's his Mariland. Now this

774
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.519
<v Speaker 2>is the other thing is his wife looks like supposed

775
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>to look like Marilyn Monroe, but can make herself invisible.

776
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Why Marilyn Monroe want to make herself invisible is not clear.

777
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.280
<v Speaker 2>My brother can light himself on fire and fly, and

778
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 2>then this good looking guy ends up looking like a

779
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>giant rock monster, and I guess they all have are

780
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>tortured by their various powers and abilities, except in this

781
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 2>version of it, the rock monster guy has no problems

782
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>being a rock monster. He doesn't think he's ugly, he's

783
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 2>not complaining about being ugly. The one who slights himself

784
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.440
<v Speaker 2>on fire is perfectly happy to light himself on fire.

785
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:04.079
<v Speaker 2>She's fine, everybody's fine, there's no conflict, and the powers

786
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:10.719
<v Speaker 2>are dumb. They're just dumb, Like I so am I wrong?

787
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Like this? Was this a great comic book and it

788
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 2>really like crystallized what was great about comics, and the

789
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.559
<v Speaker 2>movies just haven't been able to match the magic of it.

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00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.159
<v Speaker 5>Or yeah, I think that's it. I mean, I honestly do.

791
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean like, there were all sorts of comics that

792
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 5>just for years didn't lend themselves to making movies about them,

793
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:30.760
<v Speaker 5>and then CGI kind of caught up and all that

794
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.880
<v Speaker 5>kind of stuff. And the problem is is that I

795
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.440
<v Speaker 5>just think the Fantastic Four, which was a great comic

796
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 5>in its day, doesn't lend itself to it. So it

797
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 5>was kind of smart for them to do the homage

798
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 5>to the Incredibles, which was an homage to the Fantastic

799
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<v Speaker 5>for in the first place, kind of thing. I haven't

800
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 5>seen it yet, but Cliff Asnes, who's even more are

801
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.440
<v Speaker 5>Friendclys Avenues and the subject of the commentary roast this year,

802
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 5>it was even more of a comic book nerd than

803
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 5>I am, and he really liked it.

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00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's all I got for it. It is great

805
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.199
<v Speaker 2>looking great. Now here's something else, a movie that I

806
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Speaker 2>think I've seen that you guys probably have not seen,

807
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:11.159
<v Speaker 2>that I strongly want to urge people to see, though

808
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it'll probably be streaming in about a week because it

809
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:18.800
<v Speaker 2>really didn't make any money and so the window will close.

810
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 2>But it's this film Eddington, made by the director or

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00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>right director Ari Astor.

812
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 5>Which mister Fantastic in it.

813
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 2>With pedropuscal in it right, which is about a town

814
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>that goes insane in the early days of COVID in

815
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, and it is a movie about America losing

816
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.280
<v Speaker 2>its mind over COVID, and it is brilliant, and it

817
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Speaker 2>is brilliant because it accepts it. It provides a framework

818
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:55.559
<v Speaker 2>in which all arguments about COVID are taken seriously, and

819
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 2>all arguments about what happens in America during COVID from

820
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>the left. You need to wear You're gonna make other

821
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>people sick. And you can't just walk around doing whatever

822
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 2>you want, because we live in a society in which

823
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 2>we need to be able to think about each other.

824
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Or I have asthma. I can't wear a mask. Leave

825
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>me alone. I'm six staying six feet away from you.

826
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Stop yelling at me, Let me be. And the conflicts

827
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>that arise that get more and deep and more and

828
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:33.440
<v Speaker 2>more and more crazy, until in the most amazing twist

829
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 2>of all, Antifa actually shows up. There's a George Wood

830
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 2>protest in this empty little town in New Mexico and

831
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Antifa shows up, and it is a sort of portrait

832
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.519
<v Speaker 2>of America gone insane in twenty twenty, and it is remarkable.

833
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wouldn't say that it's the most pleasant.

834
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<v Speaker 2>It's very nerve jangling.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's why I'm reluctant to see.

836
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>But it is great, and like, there's so few movies

837
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>that are any good anymore, like The Naked Gun. I

838
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.679
<v Speaker 2>went to see the reboot of The Naked Gun. It's

839
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:11.920
<v Speaker 2>like I laughed seven or eight times, but it's so

840
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:18.440
<v Speaker 2>wand you know, and it's like you remember how explosively

841
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 2>funny those movies were, and then you make a wan

842
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:26.599
<v Speaker 2>new version of it, and you know it's got to

843
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 2>be better, not worse, Like it's got to actually improve

844
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.400
<v Speaker 2>on the original, not be a kind of pale reflection.

845
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 2>So I haven't they a wild comedy and then make

846
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 2>a less wild version of a wild comedy and then

847
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>think that's supposed to be open.

848
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 5>So I haven't seen it, but I have a theory

849
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 5>about why a lot of those kinds of movies stopped

850
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 5>being made. And be curious what you guys think. So

851
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 5>I thought the Police Squad Show TV show was fantastic.

852
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.440
<v Speaker 5>It only thought lasted like what six six episodes? Six episodes?

853
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Right?

854
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:03.239
<v Speaker 5>And I think that part of the problem is sort

855
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 5>of like that movie Top Secret, and there's the airplane movies.

856
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Right.

857
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.159
<v Speaker 5>You need a mass audience that has grown up on

858
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 5>certain plot conventions and certain sort of structures that you

859
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 5>feel like, oh, I know what's gonna happen, because this

860
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:24.239
<v Speaker 5>is the formula for every episode of Dragnet and Streets

861
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.719
<v Speaker 5>of San Francisco and everything blah blah blah, And so

862
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 5>you have it's a double edged sword problem. On the

863
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 5>one hand, the people who do know all of that stuff,

864
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 5>they've heard the joke already, right, so like you can't

865
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 5>keep playing on those things once you've punctured all of them.

866
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.760
<v Speaker 5>And then on the other hand, younger people they don't

867
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 5>know them, right, they haven't seen enough episodes of Banichick

868
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:48.199
<v Speaker 5>and Matt Bock or whatever.

869
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Sort of soundchick good.

870
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's probably true. I mean,

871
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.760
<v Speaker 6>I guess the Police Squad didn't really work so well

872
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 6>on TV. I think because there was no place for it, right,

873
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.480
<v Speaker 6>I mean, TV, especially then was really about making sure

874
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.800
<v Speaker 6>there's a programming flow, and you know, there was there's

875
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 6>such a tone shift between Naked Gun, which was I mean,

876
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 6>between Police, Police Squad and everything else around it that

877
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.760
<v Speaker 6>I think it was hard for it to have a

878
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:19.840
<v Speaker 6>home even though it was incredibly funny.

879
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 1>And and interesting.

880
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 6>It lives very very I mean must live prominently on

881
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 6>TikTok because I see clips of it constantly. And then

882
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 6>of course then the Naked Gun movies sort of like

883
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.519
<v Speaker 6>took over that sort of event kind of thing where

884
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 6>you go and you'd sit there and they'd be making

885
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 6>jokes you didn't know you you know, the Queen of

886
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 6>England would be thrown naked into the.

887
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, pig trough or something like that.

888
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's great.

889
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know about this one.

890
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean, this one feels to me like what I

891
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.079
<v Speaker 6>don't want to have happened is for it to not

892
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 6>work and then people to say, oh, this stuff doesn't work,

893
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 6>because it does work, because big loud, noisy, you know,

894
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 6>dumb comedies work.

895
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:02.679
<v Speaker 2>What's wrong with is it's not big loud and noisy.

896
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, Actually I just have to get the execution right.

897
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but the category, I mean, people in show business

898
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.039
<v Speaker 6>now are just removing things from the categories because they

899
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 6>did a bad version of it and because they are

900
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 6>now risk averse because of all the things have been

901
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 6>going on, and that is gonna you're gonna get it's

902
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.280
<v Speaker 6>gonna get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, like well, okay,

903
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:26.599
<v Speaker 6>well pretty soon you're not gonna know. The only way

904
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 6>you're gonna know you can make a movie is if

905
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 6>if you're willing to spend five hundred million dollars on it.

906
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.119
<v Speaker 6>And that is the beauty of the naked gun movies.

907
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 6>The beauty of those kinds of comedies is then you

908
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.159
<v Speaker 6>don't have to spend five hundred million dollars on it,

909
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 6>and you can put it on in the summer when

910
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 6>people kind of want to go to the movie theater

911
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.880
<v Speaker 6>and watch a stupid movie. And I just to me,

912
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 6>it's baffling why that product that product line is is disappearing,

913
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 6>Because if McDonald suddenly said, you know, we're not going

914
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 6>to be so much about the burgers.

915
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I uh, two things about that, one of

916
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:04.320
<v Speaker 2>which is for some reason, COVID killed the comedy twenty

917
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>eighteen and twenty nineteen. David Poland, the sort of a

918
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.280
<v Speaker 2>film analyst guy, pointed out that they made there were

919
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:17.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty five studio comedies in twenty eighteen and twenty seven

920
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 2>studio comedies in twenty nineteen and this year there are three.

921
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.360
<v Speaker 2>And what happened was COVID? How why COVID killed off

922
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the studio. There's all sorts of things, you know, George

923
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Floyd did it? Yea, you know me too did it?

924
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 2>And all that. And they were still making them. They

925
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.400
<v Speaker 2>were still making them and they weren't very good. Was

926
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.599
<v Speaker 2>part of the problem. And then you really, comedy doesn't

927
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the big noisy comedy is something you want to see

928
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 2>in a theater the way you want to see a

929
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 2>horror movie in a theater, because it's a communal experience.

930
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 2>You want to hear other people laughing. That's part of

931
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.519
<v Speaker 2>the pleasure of it. And for some reason it died.

932
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.559
<v Speaker 2>We don't and your our friend Roy Price has many

933
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:57.119
<v Speaker 2>theories about this, and yes, can this category come back,

934
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 2>It can absolutely come back. This is not one of them,

935
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.719
<v Speaker 2>but I do think that some of it. So there's

936
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the show The Boys, which both Jonah and I really like,

937
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and The Boys is the Naked Gun of the Superhero movie,

938
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:18.119
<v Speaker 2>by which I mean it is a show and it's

939
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 2>gone four seasons and all that, which is about what

940
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:29.960
<v Speaker 2>if Marvel, what if you made a satirical version of

941
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a world with Marvel superheroes in it a very dark

942
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:41.199
<v Speaker 2>but they were all psychopaths and did disgusting things. And

943
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 2>this is where the satire part. It's not family friendly,

944
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.119
<v Speaker 2>but it is totally comic and it is totally satirical,

945
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and it does everything that the that the Zuker Abraham

946
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Zucker guys did with those movies with this one format.

947
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.599
<v Speaker 2>And there's so there were so many Superiero movies over

948
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 2>so long a period of time that you could introduce

949
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:10.360
<v Speaker 2>all of these related characters that everybody who want as

950
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>you would say, as Jonah, you would say, like, this

951
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:17.480
<v Speaker 2>is the convention and everybody who is alive now knows

952
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>which is the conventions of the superheroes, and The Boys

953
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:26.159
<v Speaker 2>takes it and twists it into these crazy pretzels.

954
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 5>Yes, but I just want to be really clear for

955
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:29.840
<v Speaker 5>our audience. First of all, I think it's a very

956
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:33.079
<v Speaker 5>good point. But second when really clear for our audience,

957
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 5>given what we suspect are the demographics of our audience.

958
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 5>If you thought the fade gunaway tushy wiping scene was

959
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.960
<v Speaker 5>offensive at the beginning of this podcast, yeah, do not

960
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 5>watch The Boys. That is Mary Poppins compared to The

961
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 5>Boys or.

962
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 2>That or that show whatever. The gen X Boys spin off.

963
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:00.280
<v Speaker 5>Is yeah, yeah, just anything Boys related right from the

964
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:01.199
<v Speaker 5>universe of the Boys.

965
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:05.320
<v Speaker 2>But it is effectively that it is sort of like,

966
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.599
<v Speaker 2>if Howard Stern, who is now apparently retiring, got his

967
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.880
<v Speaker 2>hands on a TV network and unlimited resources to make

968
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:18.679
<v Speaker 2>a nehilistic version of a superhero franchise, you would get

969
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 2>you would get The Boys. It's very depressing, by the way,

970
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:26.880
<v Speaker 2>because there's there are these trailers for movies of the

971
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.119
<v Speaker 2>sort that we're talking about here, or sort of like

972
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:33.199
<v Speaker 2>eighties type movies that people used to love that came

973
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 2>out in the last couple of weeks, for movies that

974
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 2>are opening later in the year. James L. Brooks has

975
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a movie out about a young a young female politician.

976
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.360
<v Speaker 2>He's not three years old. It has the worst trailer

977
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I've ever called Ellen mackay, I've never seen a worst trailer.

978
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.480
<v Speaker 2>He's obviously being reward. It's like a bonus for him

979
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.079
<v Speaker 2>to get to make this. Fox is making it because

980
00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.199
<v Speaker 2>how much money has he made for Fox by having

981
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:04.119
<v Speaker 2>created the Simps bill and billion dollars I mean.

982
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like yeah, I mean who knows.

983
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Who can even calculate.

984
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.159
<v Speaker 6>But also who knows who knows the motivation here?

985
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's hard.

986
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 2>But there are a bunch of these sorts of like

987
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>people are trying to make slice of life dramas of

988
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.519
<v Speaker 2>the sort that dominated the box office in the nineteen eightys,

989
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.639
<v Speaker 2>where movies like that could make two hundred million dollars,

990
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Out of Africa or ray Man or

991
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, Tender Mercies or Kramer Versus Kramer, like things

992
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 2>that you know, you made Kramer Versus Cremer today, which

993
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:40.039
<v Speaker 2>was The Moat, which was the most successful movie of

994
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.199
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine, the biggest box office movie in nineteen

995
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.360
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine, and you made it today, you would have

996
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.360
<v Speaker 2>to make it for five million dollars. It would go

997
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 2>to sun Dance and then it would go to Hulu,

998
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and that way it would.

999
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Never get made.

1000
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.199
<v Speaker 6>Because a wonderful moment in Cramer Versus Kramer, which is

1001
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 6>one of my favorite moments, where after dust after Meryl

1002
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.880
<v Speaker 6>Streep leaves Dustin Hoffman in the morning, or you know,

1003
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.880
<v Speaker 6>in the first reel, and he's and he's at his

1004
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.719
<v Speaker 6>job and is obviously he's performing. You know, they're they're

1005
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 6>worried that he's going to get that he's gonna be

1006
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:12.760
<v Speaker 6>distracted from his job as an advertising executive. And he's

1007
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.320
<v Speaker 6>talking to his boss about what happened and he says this.

1008
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 6>He goes, I don't know what happened. I mean, she's

1009
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.280
<v Speaker 6>a home and there's this we have.

1010
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:20.159
<v Speaker 1>A neighbor upstairs.

1011
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.239
<v Speaker 6>He's a single goal and you know, they got together

1012
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 6>and it was the Women's Lib d and he makes

1013
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:29.440
<v Speaker 6>the little you know, talking YadA yada's gesture, the little

1014
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:33.760
<v Speaker 6>it's so great, and he and his boss are like,

1015
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 6>it's like bad men. They're like, well, he'll be back.

1016
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.559
<v Speaker 6>She just wants some attention. But I just I just

1017
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:46.800
<v Speaker 6>I can't imagine, man. I can easily imagine that script

1018
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 6>in nineteen going through development in nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight,

1019
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:54.039
<v Speaker 6>where they are probably zero development women in the movie business,

1020
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:58.000
<v Speaker 6>but now when they are entirely they're all women.

1021
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 1>There would be like, yeah, you can't and he can't,

1022
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>he can't, No, he can't. So the Women's lib And.

1023
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 6>It's been in my head for forty fifty years on

1024
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 6>I just remember that so well, Women's Lib.

1025
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.199
<v Speaker 5>So they made a few years ago marriage story with

1026
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:30.559
<v Speaker 5>Scarlett Johansson and Am Driver, which I could not get

1027
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.360
<v Speaker 5>through it. I don't want to hear people all it

1028
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:34.320
<v Speaker 5>is just screaming about how you're like your mother, No,

1029
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.679
<v Speaker 5>you're like your mother, all that kind of stuff. But

1030
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:41.199
<v Speaker 5>there was I just don't find that relaxing. Like No,

1031
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:45.840
<v Speaker 5>but there was a story I think it was in

1032
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 5>the Wall Street Journal recently that trust me. The payoff

1033
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:55.320
<v Speaker 5>is here. In order to keep wolves from going after livestock,

1034
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.800
<v Speaker 5>they have drones following them and they blare loud like

1035
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.159
<v Speaker 5>and human yelling and other noises to scare way the wolves.

1036
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 5>And they've decided to instead use argument scenes from marriage story,

1037
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.480
<v Speaker 5>bluring it out from the throne the wolves.

1038
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's why it's such a brilliant scene. I'm

1039
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 2>sorry this fight with Adam between Adam Driver and Scarlett

1040
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Johansson in which they basically you know which he says,

1041
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and I can't believe because we have this child. I

1042
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:25.280
<v Speaker 2>can't believe I have to deal with you for the

1043
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:28.679
<v Speaker 2>rest of my life. We're getting divorced. I hate you,

1044
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I want you to die, and I'm gonna have to

1045
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:33.119
<v Speaker 2>deal with you anyway for the rest of my life.

1046
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 2>It is a good way to drive away the wolves.

1047
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.519
<v Speaker 2>I will agree. I do think it's a brilliant movie.

1048
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:44.760
<v Speaker 2>But but what can I tell you anyway? I really

1049
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.840
<v Speaker 2>so I recommended Eddington. I think people really should see

1050
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Eddington again. Not not a calming if that's what you're

1051
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:51.639
<v Speaker 2>looking for.

1052
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not.

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00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not be calming. But I think Rob just give

1054
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.639
<v Speaker 2>us two minutes to just complain about one thing. Joe

1055
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and I complaining together. A show we were really enjoying,

1056
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.199
<v Speaker 2>which was the latest Star Trek show called Brave New Worlds,

1057
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 2>which is the prequel to the original.

1058
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Star Trek Strange Worlds.

1059
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Strange Worlds, which is the captain of the Enterprise right

1060
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:22.360
<v Speaker 2>before Kirk, and he appears in the pilot. His name

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00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>is Christopher Pike. He gets What was really interesting about

1062
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.599
<v Speaker 2>this show when they debuted it is that everybody knows

1063
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.159
<v Speaker 2>who watches Star Trek that Christopher Pike ends up in

1064
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:37.559
<v Speaker 2>this horribly mangled condition, because that's and that rescuing him

1065
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.000
<v Speaker 2>is what they try to do in the pilot from

1066
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 2>his condition, and so you make him the hero of

1067
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.719
<v Speaker 2>the show, and you know he's going to end up

1068
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.519
<v Speaker 2>in this you know, like Darth Vader, almost like it

1069
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.400
<v Speaker 2>with a body that's a wreck and a machine, and

1070
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:58.119
<v Speaker 2>they set it up, I think, quite brilliantly, which is

1071
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>that he ends up going through some temper anomaly where

1072
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 2>he learns of his fate. The show begins with him

1073
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.840
<v Speaker 2>knowing that he has five years to live and then

1074
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Speaker 2>he's going to be turned into this His body is

1075
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 2>going to be destroyed, and that's where it starts. And

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01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.760
<v Speaker 2>he therefore is making all these decisions and choices and

1077
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:26.400
<v Speaker 2>things with this haunting knowledge in him. And it was

1078
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.599
<v Speaker 2>a really great premise for a show. It was fun,

1079
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.280
<v Speaker 2>it was interesting, they had interesting villains and all of that.

1080
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:35.480
<v Speaker 2>And then this third season starts and it is a

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01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:42.000
<v Speaker 2>catastrophe because it's just become this camp, ridiculous fan service

1082
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.599
<v Speaker 2>and it's cringingly bad. And I've never seen a show

1083
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:50.280
<v Speaker 2>take a worse turn in sort of like going from

1084
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.920
<v Speaker 2>being respectable and interesting and tough to being a total embarrassment.

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01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:01.519
<v Speaker 5>I am Rob is going to hang up his microphone,

1086
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.119
<v Speaker 5>get in a car, drive to DC, and smash my

1087
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.360
<v Speaker 5>guitar against the Delta house wall. But I have to

1088
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 5>point out at this point that the pilot of the

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01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.480
<v Speaker 5>original Star Trek was not that one.

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01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I know the pilot was actually Pike the original Star

1091
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Trek used scenes from it.

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01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, right right yes.

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01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.199
<v Speaker 5>And also I'll look, you have no idea the people

1094
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:26.679
<v Speaker 5>I would hear from if I let that, okay, And

1095
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:27.920
<v Speaker 5>and and Spock was kind.

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01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Of I knew that too, And I knew that too, Okay,

1097
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 2>but ok other.

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01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.679
<v Speaker 5>Than that, I grew with pot one hundred percent. It

1099
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.559
<v Speaker 5>is like, it doesn't mean you can't have fun, but

1100
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.599
<v Speaker 5>like and I said this on toy today and people

1101
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:41.119
<v Speaker 5>were giving me all this hard time, and I stand

1102
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:47.280
<v Speaker 5>by it one hundred percent. The worst sin, particularly in

1103
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:53.199
<v Speaker 5>science fiction, that you can commit is not taking yourself seriously.

1104
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:56.159
<v Speaker 5>Because if you don't take yourself seriously, why in the

1105
01:01:56.199 --> 01:02:00.239
<v Speaker 5>world should the audience. And it is so much of

1106
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.840
<v Speaker 5>can't be winking, nodding, just silliness this time around, and

1107
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.480
<v Speaker 5>it's just dumb. It's just contrary. Like if if you're

1108
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:12.400
<v Speaker 5>I was the show runner and these are the scripts

1109
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:14.199
<v Speaker 5>that were coming in, I would have just said, all

1110
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.119
<v Speaker 5>of you get out of here. The reason why our

1111
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.280
<v Speaker 5>audience likes the show is because it's actually going back

1112
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.400
<v Speaker 5>to the original self seriousness of the original Star Trek

1113
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:29.280
<v Speaker 5>and and then a complete blown opportunity, so maybe it'll

1114
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 5>pick up in the second half.

1115
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 2>But let me ask you a question. Have you did

1116
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:37.320
<v Speaker 2>you ever work with Carol Kane? She ever appear on

1117
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:39.000
<v Speaker 2>anything of yours?

1118
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:45.079
<v Speaker 6>I did not work with her, but I am not directly,

1119
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:47.719
<v Speaker 6>but I was helped out on something she was in.

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01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm asking this because Carol Caine is on Brave

1121
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:56.280
<v Speaker 2>New Worlds. She is the best character in newly introduced

1122
01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:00.679
<v Speaker 2>character on Brave New world She plays a person who

1123
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.360
<v Speaker 2>is from a civilize where they live hundreds and hundreds

1124
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and hundreds of years.

1125
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 5>Too much backstory to explain it all, but yes, but.

1126
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Harold Caine has been in show business for fifty five

1127
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:21.880
<v Speaker 2>years something like that. She was in five Easy Pieces,

1128
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.679
<v Speaker 2>or she was in some carnal knowledge, like when she

1129
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 2>was eighteen she got nominated for an oscar in a

1130
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.199
<v Speaker 2>movie in which she spoke only in Yiddish when she

1131
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 2>was like twenty two. Here we are in twenty twenty five.

1132
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Fifty years later, she has this role on Star Trek

1133
01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 2>a Stranger Worlds, and she is fantastic. And there is

1134
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.480
<v Speaker 2>this wonderful quality to certain things in show business where

1135
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:56.719
<v Speaker 2>these people if they if they survive and they live long,

1136
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:00.159
<v Speaker 2>and they keep themselves in good shape, and they don't know,

1137
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.679
<v Speaker 2>like lose their brains to drugs and all of that.

1138
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:07.039
<v Speaker 2>When they when they emerge in their seventies or however

1139
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:15.400
<v Speaker 2>seventies eighties, into things they can do just incredible. World Like,

1140
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.760
<v Speaker 2>it's an incredible thing to have half a century of

1141
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:23.960
<v Speaker 2>experience to draw on, to know exactly how to build

1142
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.480
<v Speaker 2>a character, to make yourself memorable, to read a line,

1143
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:34.880
<v Speaker 2>to have a presence, isn't that? I mean so that

1144
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I was just struck by that thinking about a career

1145
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.400
<v Speaker 2>like hers, because it's just kind of like just gone

1146
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.639
<v Speaker 2>along every decade. She's on one or two shows, She's

1147
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:46.760
<v Speaker 2>in one or two movies.

1148
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:50.079
<v Speaker 5>You know, she was lack of Gravis's wife on taxi.

1149
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:53.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she's a big Jim Brooks and the Jim Brooks Rep.

1150
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:55.079
<v Speaker 1>She's always she always shows up.

1151
01:04:55.239 --> 01:05:00.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, unusual, just a also like one of these the

1152
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 7>seventies characters who just is an unlikely, unlikely recurring character.

1153
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I've never you know, not not mind.

1154
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.440
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't do it for you, but I mean again,

1155
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:14.960
<v Speaker 2>in your stupid voice, I don't like Okay, you don't

1156
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:16.519
<v Speaker 2>like the voice, but she by the way, does really

1157
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:18.800
<v Speaker 2>funny things with the voice because she has an accent

1158
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 2>in this that she's invented, you know, since obviously she's

1159
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:25.239
<v Speaker 2>from a planet, so you can speak in whatever accent

1160
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.159
<v Speaker 2>you want to. But I just there are these people

1161
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.960
<v Speaker 2>and they pop Sometimes they pop up literally out of nowhere,

1162
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 2>like this actress June Squibb, who whose most notable credit

1163
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:41.920
<v Speaker 2>before she appeared out of Nowhere and About Schmidt in

1164
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:45.320
<v Speaker 2>like you know, twenty years ago, was that she was

1165
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.079
<v Speaker 2>in Broadway on Gypsy as one of the strippers in

1166
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:51.719
<v Speaker 2>the original production, and then went away for forty years

1167
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and then showed up as an old lady in About Schmidt,

1168
01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and then in this movie Nebraska. And she was just

1169
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:01.679
<v Speaker 2>the star of this movie called Thelma in which she

1170
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:06.519
<v Speaker 2>played and this hilarious, brilliant movie in which she played

1171
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:09.440
<v Speaker 2>this ninety year old woman. And now she is starring

1172
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:13.559
<v Speaker 2>in Scarlet Johanson's directorial debut at the age of ninety six.

1173
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:15.880
<v Speaker 1>We call that growing into your look.

1174
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so, Rob, you have been very much. Is there

1175
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:22.639
<v Speaker 2>anything you want to talk about before?

1176
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:24.679
<v Speaker 5>You've been a good sport, Rob, I have very good

1177
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:29.239
<v Speaker 5>sport sport if you if you want to talk about

1178
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:35.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, uh some odors twelfth century monastery and it's

1179
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:37.960
<v Speaker 5>you know chance can no, No.

1180
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:39.840
<v Speaker 6>I mean I I that's what I went and traveled

1181
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.079
<v Speaker 6>and saw a bunch of those. I would like to

1182
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.280
<v Speaker 6>say that I will have watched a TV show that

1183
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:50.199
<v Speaker 6>I enjoyed. I enjoyed the TV show The Day.

1184
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Of a Jackal.

1185
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:52.760
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't bad that he redmain.

1186
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:56.920
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed the the the adventure.

1187
01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 6>I enjoyed the thrilling episodes. I enjoyed the hang hanging episodes.

1188
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:02.639
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed the.

1189
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:08.840
<v Speaker 6>I enjoyed the way that they they echoed and rhymed

1190
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:10.639
<v Speaker 6>a little bit with the original movie.

1191
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I am.

1192
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:18.400
<v Speaker 6>I enjoyed the project, and yet I am not. The

1193
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:20.840
<v Speaker 6>problem is that this is something that I enjoyed, and

1194
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.559
<v Speaker 6>at no point am I thinking to myself, I can't

1195
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:24.320
<v Speaker 6>wait till the next next one, if they're even going

1196
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:26.880
<v Speaker 6>to do a next one comes out, I just don't care.

1197
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.320
<v Speaker 6>And I think I in that respect, I am like

1198
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:31.920
<v Speaker 6>I am the canary in the coal mine, which is

1199
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:35.599
<v Speaker 6>I mean not even at this point advanced bad news,

1200
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:36.280
<v Speaker 6>but I think it is.

1201
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I am a classic.

1202
01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:44.039
<v Speaker 6>Consumer now weirdly of show business product which is that

1203
01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:46.480
<v Speaker 6>I just if it's good, if.

1204
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:47.480
<v Speaker 1>It's in front of me, I'll watch it.

1205
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:50.000
<v Speaker 6>If I'm jet lagged and I need to like do something,

1206
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:51.719
<v Speaker 6>and I'll remember I wanted to watch this one. I'll

1207
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:53.320
<v Speaker 6>get hooked on it and watch it, and I just

1208
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:54.920
<v Speaker 6>have absolutely zero loyalty to it.

1209
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:56.480
<v Speaker 1>And that is.

1210
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:01.320
<v Speaker 6>That's why I show business isn't such big, big, big,

1211
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:02.280
<v Speaker 6>big big trouble.

1212
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:03.440
<v Speaker 2>All right.

1213
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:07.960
<v Speaker 5>So I have a show recommendation. Good uh, My wife

1214
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:14.320
<v Speaker 5>and I we like British crime stuff, and someone recommended

1215
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:20.159
<v Speaker 5>Line of Duty. And one of the things that has

1216
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:22.359
<v Speaker 5>going for it is there are many episodes, so you

1217
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 5>can like if you like it. There's some runway, and

1218
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:30.439
<v Speaker 5>earlier were talking about like defying conventions. This is one

1219
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:34.079
<v Speaker 5>of these shows where like I'm often stunned or at

1220
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.479
<v Speaker 5>least surprised by the twists and turns, not all of

1221
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:42.199
<v Speaker 5>them entirely plausible. But it's a show about an anti

1222
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.000
<v Speaker 5>corruption unit basically the I D you know what is it?

1223
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:50.319
<v Speaker 5>Internal Affairs of England, and it's it's sort of you know,

1224
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.239
<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say about The Jackal One of the

1225
01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:55.159
<v Speaker 5>things I like that show too, and I like that genre.

1226
01:08:55.960 --> 01:09:00.880
<v Speaker 5>But the way they sort of take fast and loose

1227
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Speaker 5>with just like Europe being a place where police from

1228
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:10.439
<v Speaker 5>one country do stuff in another country. You know, like

1229
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:13.880
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of like jurisdictional stuff they just sort

1230
01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:16.319
<v Speaker 5>of gloss over. There's some of that in this is

1231
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 5>like they don't quite tell ever say it's in London,

1232
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:23.640
<v Speaker 5>but it's obviously in London. But anyway, it's a good show,

1233
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:30.359
<v Speaker 5>holds your interest and takes in some surprizing places and

1234
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:33.319
<v Speaker 5>it's like six seasons. You have to be able to

1235
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:38.680
<v Speaker 5>answer three questions from a sphinx, pluck a pebble from

1236
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.600
<v Speaker 5>a shaman's palm, and several other things to figure out

1237
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:44.560
<v Speaker 5>how to watch it on streaming platforms because it's scattered

1238
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:47.840
<v Speaker 5>across like seven different platforms. But it's good.

1239
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 6>You can sometimes tell the story of the shows like this,

1240
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:57.399
<v Speaker 6>usually when they're international productions like Jackler. A lot of

1241
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:04.319
<v Speaker 6>these where crucial story sequences take place in countries that

1242
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:10.000
<v Speaker 6>coincidentally have really really good tax rebate deals for studios.

1243
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:12.399
<v Speaker 6>So in Jackal, so much of it takes place in

1244
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.399
<v Speaker 6>Hungary for zero reason. So much of it takes place

1245
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.000
<v Speaker 6>in Budapest for no Some of the stuff that's supposed

1246
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:20.439
<v Speaker 6>to take place in Spain, clearly took place in Budapest

1247
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:25.600
<v Speaker 6>because Hungary's got these great deals. You know, that's just

1248
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.079
<v Speaker 6>my own like I enjoy I enjoy looking at that.

1249
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:29.039
<v Speaker 6>I enjoy seeing that.

1250
01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:32.520
<v Speaker 5>That's why how in countless movies, Washington, DC looks remarkably

1251
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:33.159
<v Speaker 5>like Toronto.

1252
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. I will make one recommendation. Then we

1253
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.760
<v Speaker 2>got to go. And it's odd because it's a show

1254
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.399
<v Speaker 2>I watched the first two seasons of it and didn't like,

1255
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.119
<v Speaker 2>but I watched it because it was like wallpaper and

1256
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:51.000
<v Speaker 2>that's the Gilded Age on HBO. And here's why I'm

1257
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:54.720
<v Speaker 2>recommending so the third season out of nowhere. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>Julian Fellows who created it and wrote it, like took

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<v Speaker 2>his weedies and like the eights and weedies or had

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<v Speaker 2>had had had inspiration that he didn't have in the

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<v Speaker 2>creation of it and the running of it in the

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<v Speaker 2>first two seasons. Because it is really good now and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't quite know whether you could if you could

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<v Speaker 2>just go to Wikipedia and read the plot summary of

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<v Speaker 2>the first two seasons and then just start.

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<v Speaker 1>With the stuff happens right in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, things happen there because I saw a.

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<v Speaker 6>Clip I saw a clip of it on TikTok years ago,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean last year, at some point in the past

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<v Speaker 6>few months, where all the people are begging what's his

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<v Speaker 6>name to not destroy them, and one actually gets down

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<v Speaker 6>on his knees and says, I'm begging you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm begging you. And I thought, oh, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to see that, and then trying to find

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<v Speaker 6>that episode and then try to buy that episode so

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<v Speaker 6>I could watch that episode, and then buying the wrong

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<v Speaker 6>one and watching that one, and then realizing it's the

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<v Speaker 6>next episode and watching that one. Nothing happens in these episodes.

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<v Speaker 6>Nothing is so insanely boring. It was insanely like very

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<v Speaker 6>much like doubt nab that either. Things like the stakes

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<v Speaker 6>are so bizarre. It's like, oh my god, you use

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<v Speaker 6>the run stable spoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh my god. This season is about the Gilded Age.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a an investment gone wrong, a railroad problem

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<v Speaker 2>and the invention of a new device, a family in crisis,

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<v Speaker 2>divorces causing scandals, a book a real book Ward McAllister's

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<v Speaker 2>books side creating a huge scandal, and so things really happen.

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<v Speaker 2>The acting is sensationally good. The set, the set and

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<v Speaker 2>it got good, and that's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 6>But isn't there like I mean, I'm sure it's good, right,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna I'm planning to watch it actually, but isn't

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<v Speaker 6>there like.

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<v Speaker 1>A little too much of this?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>The suffrage movement is very important, and it's more are

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<v Speaker 6>in America or fraud?

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<v Speaker 2>It is? It is more. It is more interesting than

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<v Speaker 2>you expect in almost every respect on those matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's what that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What's so surprising about this third season. That's all I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to say. Hey, we got through a show. Rob

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<v Speaker 2>did not yell at us for talking about too much

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Rob for the button really helps.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's good. And uh and and also you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>playing Candy Crush and.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anyone still play Candy Crush? I don't even know someone. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll we'll, we'll, we'll do another one of these

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<v Speaker 2>because you people seem to like it. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, as I say, it's not like I

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't podcast enough. So that's my problem. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I need I need an extra you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at least an extra hour a month to because no

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<v Speaker 2>one's listening to me, that's for sure. All these people

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<v Speaker 2>podcasting every day, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that was that it No one's taking the bait.

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<v Speaker 5>John sa