WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:09.960 Full trial audio everything hurting court no silences to skip, yes, 2 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:11.000 please before the call. 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:13.160 We have the matter of CommonWell for versus Lindsay Clancy. 4 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:16.120 Miss Clancy is present. She is represented by Attorney Kevin Runnington. 5 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:19.839 The Commonwealth is represented by Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague 6 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:21.879 and Assistant District Attorneys Shannon Buckingham. 7 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:26.000 All right, well, good morning, council. Good boarding, miss miss Clancy. 8 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:30.879 I'm sorry counts. Before we we've got the view on 9 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:33.439 for today. What I'd like to do is talk to 10 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.280 you about another matter sidebar it just briefly. 11 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:38.679 If we could, all right go. 12 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.640 A hey. 13 00:00:44.880 --> 00:01:00.119 William Sullivan, Justice, good morning, you're on America. See ye 14 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.000 bore of the court. Today we have the continuation of 15 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.000 the jury trial and the matter of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy. 16 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.079 Ms Clancy is present. She is represented by Attorney Kevin Ruddington. 17 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.000 The Carmonwealth is represented by Assistant District Attorney Shannon Buckingham 18 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.000 an Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague. 19 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:16.719 All right, well, good morning everyone. 20 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:20.400 So what i want to do is, first I'm going 21 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:22.879 to ask you those questions. Make sure everybody was able 22 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:25.439 to follow my instructions, and then I'm going to discuss 23 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.000 a little bit about what we're going to. 24 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:29.359 Do today in our schedule. 25 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.480 So first off, the first question, is any member of 26 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:36.280 the jury a red scene or her overheard anything from 27 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.239 any source that would affect your ability to be a 28 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:40.200 fair and impartial juror in this case? 29 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:43.040 Next question, is there. 30 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.200 Any other serious matter or concern bearing on your service 31 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:48.319 as a jury in this case anybody needs to bring 32 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:48.959 to my attention? 33 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:50.640 All right, So. 34 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:54.359 Again, thank you for following those instructions. And so I 35 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:57.079 want to do is just talk a little bit about 36 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:58.519 the next part of. 37 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.040 The trial, which is the view. You hear people talk 38 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:01.400 about it. 39 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:04.480 Now, I already kind of blew my cover when I 40 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.359 said I couldn't control the weather. I would have taken 41 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.120 credit for the fact that it's a beautiful day today, 42 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:12.080 But I already told. 43 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:15.039 You I couldn't control that, but the view. 44 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.080 So let me explain kind of what the views give 45 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:21.120 you this very brief instruction in regards to that, members 46 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.840 the jury, you're about to visit and go buy a 47 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.759 number of places that you've heard testimony about during the trial. 48 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.159 And the terminology we use for that. As I've said, 49 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:31.520 is a view. Now. 50 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:33.919 The purpose of the view is to help you better 51 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.199 understand the evidence that you've heard and we'll hear during 52 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.919 the trial, and to help you appreciate the location, the 53 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:43.120 surroundings about. 54 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:44.479 These different areas. All right. 55 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.680 Now, the view that you're going to take is part 56 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.240 of the case. The observations that you make while on 57 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.360 of you may be used by you and considered by 58 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.960 you in your deliberations in reaching a verdict. 59 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:56.879 So you can. 60 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.520 Consider what you're about to see during the course of 61 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:01.879 the view. The places that we're going to go to 62 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.639 in this case, we're gonna go We're gonna drive to 63 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.080 the CVS that was described. We're not gonna get out, 64 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.639 We're gonna see where that is. Then we're gonna drive 65 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.680 by that restaurant three V I think it's called in Plymouth. 66 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:15.800 Drive there. 67 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.800 Then we're going to go back to the home, which 68 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:21.280 is at forty seven Summer Street, and you'll have an 69 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.680 opportunity to go inside the house. 70 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:25.680 You'll go in there with the court. 71 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:29.680 Officers, the lawyers, myself, and because it's we've got a 72 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.400 large jury here, we're probably gonna do is break it 73 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:35.919 up into maybe three groups of six, all right, so 74 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.560 we'll take six and we'll all go down. 75 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:38.800 We'll look at different areas. 76 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.120 The attorneys will point out certain things that they may 77 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.199 want you to take note of, but you can look at. 78 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.080 Everything as far as just view it. When you're in there. 79 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.000 You're not to do any independent research and not to 80 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.639 kind of open up draws or open up doors or 81 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.520 anything like that. So the attorneys will give you opportunity. 82 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:59.560 We'll give you an opportunity just kind of look around 83 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:05.120 and view that. And so after that you're not to 84 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.039 return to the scene. In other words, after you do this, 85 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:10.879 you not to go back. If you have Jesus and 86 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.360 answered questions or anything like that, you not to go back. 87 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.000 This is your chance to see these areas in this residence, 88 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:21.920 all right. Like I said, you can consider what you're 89 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.839 about to see as part of the evidence in the case. Now, 90 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.120 during the trip to and back from these places, you're 91 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.879 not to discuss the case or anything about it amongst 92 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.839 yourselves or with anyone. When you're coming back, you're not 93 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:38.399 to discuss on the bus, hey we saw that, or 94 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.240 did you see this? Things like that. That's as they say, 95 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:43.360 that's verboten. 96 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:43.439 All right. 97 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.000 You can't talk about that on the way to and 98 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.199 from and so as they indicate you're gonna be under 99 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.120 the supervision of the court officers, I'd ask you to 100 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:56.519 follow this instruction. Follow their instructions carefully. They're very experienced 101 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.519 in doing these, and so they they'll help you kind 102 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.240 of go through this and set up I'll break up 103 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.079 into those groups and so just so you know, one 104 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:06.800 group will six go into the house. 105 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.319 The others will stay on the bus. 106 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.600 Okay, and when you're on the bus, you're not to 107 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:12.360 discuss the case. 108 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.160 E geez, I can't wait to see this or that, 109 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:15.319 none of that. 110 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.839 All right, It's probably pretty obvious, but I just kind 111 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.160 of have to kind of go through those instructions with you. 112 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:23.959 And so what we're gonna do now, I'm going to 113 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:26.639 excuse you so can kind of get yourselves together. 114 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.480 We'll bring you back down on the bus myself. 115 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.360 The attorneys will join you there, and then we will 116 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:36.560 I think we're going to go first to the CBS 117 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.240 in that restaurant first, and then second we'll go to 118 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:45.959 that address in Duxbury. All right, okay, thank you, Oh Jesus, 119 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.000 gott ahead myself. I'm told we have to square in 120 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.240 the court officers, So I apologize, So the court. 121 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.160 Officers please come quote and raise the right hand. 122 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.519 Do each of you solemnly swear that you will take 123 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.240 this jerry upon the premises in question, and then stop 124 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:00.680 them to do the same or any proper place or 125 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.920 thing bearing upon the issue in this trial as they 126 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.399 shall think necessary. That you will not permit the parties 127 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:09.240 to enter into debate within the hearing of the jury, 128 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.839 nor any person to speak to them, unless it be 129 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:16.079 Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague or Assistant District Attorney Shannon 130 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.040 Buckingham on part of the Commonwealth, and Attorney Kevin Reddington 131 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:22.680 on part of the defendant, and they only to point 132 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.600 out such places in things that they deem expedient for 133 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.240 the determination of the issues, And that you will keep 134 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:30.600 this jury together until they shall return to the court, 135 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.600 unless the Court shall otherwise order. So help you God, Thank. 136 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.399 You all right, so we can take them. 137 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:42.439 Thank you all right? 138 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.600 How do we need anything we need to address before? 139 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.079 If you all rights who we'll be in recess at 140 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.120 this time to resume soon as we come back from 141 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.639 the view, we'll resume the trial. 142 00:06:55.839 --> 00:07:04.480 Okay, thank you, all right? What's some recess please the 143 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:05.040 court room. 144 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:13.079 Okays the record. 145 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.800 We returned back to the matter of Commonwew versus Lindsey Clancy. 146 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.480 All partties are present, including the defendant, excluding the jury. 147 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:20.560 Thank you for that. 148 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:29.360 Ready for the jury comma all. 149 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.560 Right first of course, now it's section please be see 150 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:34.959 this kirana. 151 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:36.279 For the purpose of the record. We returned back to 152 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.600 the trial of Commonwealth versus Lindsey Clancy. All potties are present, 153 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.240 including the defendant and including all eighteen jurors. 154 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.439 All right, thank you, madam courks of the jury. 155 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:46.800 We're now going to return, as I told you before, 156 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.079 to the Karmwaal's case, and I'll last the calla. 157 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.319 To call their next witness. 158 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.120 Come on, well, Mark Anthony Mafia to the sea. 159 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.439 Well we'll wait and you want to just for the record, 160 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:03.800 the same objection and the objections sorry, that keeps okay, 161 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.000 Thank you, all right, Good morning, sair. 162 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:10.319 Al right twenty bucking an please. 163 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:11.800 Thank you, Good morning, sir. 164 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:12.360 Good morning. 165 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:14.800 Could you please tell you the jury your first and last. 166 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.879 Name, please, yes, Mark Anthony Mafia and how about. 167 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.680 Spelling your last name for the purpose of the record. 168 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:20.399 M A. 169 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:22.120 F FEO. 170 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:23.319 And where are you employed? 171 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:24.879 Sir, Duxbury Police Apartment. 172 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:26.519 How long you've been a police officer? 173 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:29.839 Twelve years? 174 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.919 And has your career been with the Duxbury Department? Did 175 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:33.799 you work anywhere else? 176 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.799 I worked in Rockland and Co Acid prior to Duxbury. 177 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:38.879 So how long have you been at Duxbury Police tene 178 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:39.720 years nine? 179 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:40.039 Yes? 180 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.840 What's your current ranker assignment at the Duxbury Police Department 181 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.720 patrol sergeant? And I'm going to draw your attention back 182 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.399 to January of twenty twenty three? What was your assignment then? 183 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:50.360 A detective? 184 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.840 Were you working on January twenty fourth of twenty twenty three? 185 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.519 I was not. I was called in to work. 186 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.080 Okay, So who contacted you at the time? 187 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.440 It was detected Detective Sergeant Jamali. 188 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.240 And is that the normal course in Duxberry when a 189 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.720 larger incident or investigation occurs that sometimes you'd be called 190 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:15.399 in to work a scene if you're not on shift. Yes, 191 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.519 and Detector Jamali? Where did he tell you to go? 192 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.480 Initially was reported? I believe it was forty two Summe 193 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.240 Street in dux Ray. 194 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:29.840 And so do you recall if you went to that location? 195 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:30.360 I did. 196 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.440 When you arrived there was the scene still active, meaning 197 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.559 there was still kind of ambulances and everything on scene. Yes, 198 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:39.480 did you go into. 199 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:40.919 The house not at that time. 200 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:41.000 No. 201 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.200 Were you advised when you arrived on scene that one 202 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.600 of the parties was being sent to the south Shore Hospital? 203 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:48.000 Yes? 204 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.519 And so as a result of that information, what did 205 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:50.879 you do? 206 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.600 I was then tasked with going down to Solcial Hospital. 207 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.080 Now, when you went to south Shore Hospital, did you 208 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.399 know the party that was going to be transport there? 209 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:00.720 Yes? 210 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.080 Who was the party that you were going to meet? 211 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.320 I was advised was the one of the home owners, 212 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:06.080 Lindsay Clancy. 213 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.559 And you later became aware that the home at forty 214 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.720 seven Summer Street was the home of Patrick and Lindsay Clancy. Correct, 215 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.399 that's correct. And again you were also later made aware 216 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:19.120 that they had the three children. 217 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:19.639 Correct. 218 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.759 Were you advised of where the three children were? 219 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:23.440 Yes? 220 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:25.960 And how about the husband? Were you advised of where 221 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:30.200 Patrick Clancy was? I was As far as the people 222 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.200 transported to Selshaw Hospital, you came to learn that only 223 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.879 Lindsay Clancy was sent to that location. Correct, that's correct. 224 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:37.919 Did you expect somebody else to be arriving there? 225 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:41.360 Initially? Before I had left the residence? It was a 226 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.320 little bit of confusion. They thought that the husband was 227 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:46.559 also being transported to Celshore and. 228 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:49.399 At some point where you later advised that that ambulance 229 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.720 was turned around and sent to Beth Israel and Plymouth. 230 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:52.399 Correct. 231 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.080 So when you were at the Selshare hospital, did you 232 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.519 have an opportunity to observe Lindsay Clancy? 233 00:10:58.639 --> 00:10:58.960 I did? 234 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.639 And what condition when she when she you observed her 235 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:03.159 at Social Hospital. 236 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:08.279 She appeared sedated and unconscious with several lacerations to her 237 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:09.480 arms and neck. 238 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:11.759 I have no objections. 239 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.080 My approach to whatness more photographs I take a look 240 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:21.639 at those. Do you recognize the individual these photographs? 241 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:21.840 I do? 242 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.080 And were you primate of these photographs were taken? 243 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.240 I don't recall, okay, as. 244 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:29.480 Far as the condition that the person in these photographs was, again, 245 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:31.440 do you recall this to be a fair and accurate 246 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:32.639 representation of what. 247 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:36.519 She looked like? Yes, the next work those may be admitted. 248 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:39.480 Sur If I could just draw your attention to the 249 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.840 screen aside you, I'm showing you now what's been marked 250 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.080 is exhibit one ten, and it was the individual depicted 251 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.759 in this photograph, Lindsay Clancy. And those are the injuries 252 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:51.879 that you observed that day of her on her neck, 253 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.039 correct and showing you on the screen what's been marked 254 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:59.440 is exhibit number one eleven. Again, is that Lindsay Clancy? Yes, 255 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.720 and that you observed on January twenty fourth on. 256 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:03.440 Her neck correct? 257 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:09.679 And one twelve Exhibit one twelve In the middle of 258 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.919 this photograph with an arm extended, there are some cuts 259 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.519 in a cut in the middle. Did you observe those 260 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:17.960 on January twenty fourth as well? 261 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:18.360 I did? 262 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:22.600 And finally exhibit one thirteen that would be the other. 263 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:24.200 Arm. 264 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.080 Did you observe those cuts to that ar? 265 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:26.679 Yes. 266 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:36.159 Now, in addition to observing her at Sushore Hospital, did 267 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:40.519 you do anything to collect potential evidence that day? 268 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:41.000 I did? 269 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:41.879 And what did you do? 270 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.960 I gathered I believe they were already had been removed 271 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:49.720 from the hospital staff clothing, pants, shirt, I believe it 272 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:53.360 was a scarf and wedding bands. 273 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.440 Can I approach again you seven thirtographs if you could 274 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:02.120 take a look at those. Are these sex photographs familiar 275 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:04.279 to you or the items infected in these photographs familiar? 276 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:04.759 Yes? 277 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:08.120 Objection? 278 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:12.480 I have object any of the photographs they may be admitted. 279 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:18.039 Which would be one fourteen to seven. 280 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:19.519 Thank you. 281 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:21.799 Thank you, madam. 282 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:27.559 Report Now, sir, the items that you then collected, you 283 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.919 said that they were provided to you. Who gave them 284 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:30.240 to you? 285 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.200 It was one of the hospital staff, okay. 286 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:38.080 And so in examining those you would agree that those 287 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:39.960 items have been cut off of the individual. 288 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:40.480 Correct. 289 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.759 And so after taking custody of those particular items, did 290 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.440 other law enforcement arrive at Sushare Hospital? 291 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:48.919 Yes? 292 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:50.480 And who arrived. 293 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.879 Tripper Lawlor from the mass A Police and Asolo Piede 294 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:55.000 from the Dutch Ray Police. 295 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.919 And again you had been at the scene at forty 296 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.480 seven Summer Street, correct, Correct, And then you went to 297 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:04.919 Soelfshaal Hospital. Were other members of the Duxbury department at 298 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:08.080 the Summer Street address and at other locations during the 299 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:09.279 time you were at the hospital? 300 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.080 I would believe so, but I'm not positive. 301 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.080 And were you aware that the State Police had become 302 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:16.960 involved in this case? 303 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:17.279 Yes? 304 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.559 And based on your experience as a Duxbury officer, do 305 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.000 you sometimes work in tandem with the state Police on 306 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:25.360 certain types of investigations. 307 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:25.679 We do. 308 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.759 And so when Trooper Lawler arrived at the hospital, did 309 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:30.399 you turn over these items to him? 310 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:30.759 I did? 311 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.519 Now, in the time that you were at the Self 312 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:37.279 Shore Hospital. Did you have the opportunity to speak at 313 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.399 all with Lindsay Clancy and the time that you observed her, 314 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.919 was she responsive at all? Was she in custody at 315 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:45.399 that point? 316 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.240 I would say yes, Well. 317 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.159 Let me ask you this as far as when a 318 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:57.200 person is placed in custody, usually advised them that they 319 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:58.480 are corracts correct. 320 00:14:58.759 --> 00:14:59.759 Saying that he's not sure. 321 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.960 Absolutely, Yes, that's. 322 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:09.559 When you when you when your department has somebody in custody, 323 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.000 is it protocol to have an officer stay with that individual? 324 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:13.320 Yes? 325 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.240 And in this case, was somebody assigned to stay with 326 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.120 Lindsay Clancy? Yes, at the time you were at the hospital, 327 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:20.799 was at your role? 328 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:22.159 Yes? 329 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.639 At some point if someone else from your department come 330 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.120 to keep watch? Yes, who was that person? 331 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:30.240 I believe it was also Lapard? I know also Broader 332 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.879 was also assisting. I can't recall if he arrived at 333 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:34.679 the hospital as well. 334 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.320 Okay, but you recall officer Lapard. 335 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:38.080 Yes. 336 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:43.159 And once the scene was secured at Selsher Hospital, did 337 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:43.559 you leave? 338 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:44.039 I did? 339 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:44.960 And where did you go? 340 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:47.200 Back to the address in Duxbury. 341 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.320 And that would be forty seven Summer Street correct. I 342 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:50.960 think you might have said forty two at one. 343 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:52.600 Year, right, yeah, forty seven. 344 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:58.159 And at the residence at forty seven Summer Street. Did 345 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:02.080 you assist other Dexbury offices in securing the scene upon 346 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:06.399 the arrival of the crime scene services? Were you present 347 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:10.120 when the massachusettsts Police detectives Une executed a search war 348 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.840 at forty seven Summer Street and was that kind of 349 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.559 later that night into the early morning hours of the 350 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:20.519 twenty fifth Yes, I have no further questions, thank you. 351 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:23.639 That would just introduced those. 352 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.919 Yeah, money, money, I've got a couple of other photographs 353 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.120 that I'd like to just since you were at the hospital. 354 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.120 And so short, if I could, sure. 355 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:43.039 Uh, that's condition was when you went in the hospital, 356 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:47.600 and so I heard, I don't recall those being honored like, 357 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:54.879 so I would offer that if. 358 00:16:54.399 --> 00:17:01.279 I could, any objections maybe we approached sure out right? 359 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:07.119 That may be admitted? Yeah, sure, yeah, if you want 360 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:07.440 to do that. 361 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:13.039 At some point I had a chance to take a 362 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:16.640 look at her face, I imagine, sir correct? 363 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.720 Is that fair inaccurate depiction? 364 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.079 Yes, and she was unconscious at that point she did. 365 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:24.680 That's correct. 366 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.759 What about this, Jim, that may be admitted? 367 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:30.759 And this you said that there were some cuts on 368 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:38.279 her wrist, yes, if they're inaccurate depiction correct, and cuts 369 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.680 on the neck as well, correct, and. 370 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:46.519 From the other side of the front. 371 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:52.000 Yes, okay, thank you, Jess, Like those photos may be admitted, 372 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:53.319 thank you. 373 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:56.920 And I'm just showing you another exhibit. 374 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.559 This would have already been introduced into evidence, and this 375 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.240 would be is it at one twelve? 376 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:08.720 And this would also depict the area of the of 377 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:10.000 the wrist. Is that correct? 378 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:10.400 Correct? 379 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:11.359 The cut was. 380 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:20.759 Likewise also shows the cuts on the. 381 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:21.680 Neck, is that correct? 382 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:22.240 Correct? 383 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:26.000 Now, when you went to the house, you were a 384 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.880 detective at this point correct, correct, And obviously you're working 385 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.000 in tandem at this time with the state police. 386 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.039 They were also investigating. 387 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.880 Right, correct, But you were the detective for the. 388 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.599 Town of Duxbury, one of them, yes. 389 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.079 One of them, okay. And one of the things Console 390 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:49.319 had asked you about was the clothing that Lindsay was wearing, 391 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:51.279 and it was cut off right, correct. 392 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:53.599 So I'm just going to show you and ask if 393 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:55.160 this appears to be a fair and. 394 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:05.319 Accurate depiction rendition for example, one of her items clothing, Yes, okay, 395 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:06.759 Well I don't know that's so I'm just going to 396 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:08.240 just make sure it's in that's all. 397 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.359 Does that show that there's blood on that item of clothing? 398 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:16.720 Not that I see? 399 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:25.000 Okay, it would be some type of residue of paint 400 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:26.440 or something on the clothing if you. 401 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.680 Recall, I don't recall. 402 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:35.200 Now, did you notice on the pants any blood on 403 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:36.279 the jeans? 404 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.480 Well, if you recall, I don't recall. 405 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:43.279 Now, how about the I guess it would be the top. 406 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:47.880 That was worn. You notice any blood on that? Now? 407 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:49.279 Was there a bra that. 408 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:49.920 Was cut off? 409 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.359 If you recall, yes, there was, and the blood seeped 410 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:56.240 through the clothing into the into the briar itself. 411 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:57.599 That correct, correct? 412 00:19:58.359 --> 00:19:59.880 And that would be obviously from. 413 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:02.319 Outs side the clothing and then into the breath that 414 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:03.039 was being worn. 415 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:03.400 Right. 416 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:04.799 Correct? 417 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.079 That often he is juris agen. 418 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.160 They're already in evidence. They've been marked, so I don't 419 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.720 see this necessary mark them again, they're the same photographs. 420 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:17.000 Well, I'll trust the representation there in evidence. 421 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.160 I don't want to blow the court. 422 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:24.079 So if they were already in evidence, then that's good. 423 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:28.119 The bottom line is that you do agree that there 424 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:34.319 was certainly blood on the interior and exterior clothing that 425 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:37.519 she was wearing, right, that's correct. It also agree, sir, 426 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.200 that there was blood in the area from the outside 427 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.440 of the backyard, directly underneath the window. 428 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.160 Is that correct? You agree with that if you remember 429 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:47.720 looking at it. 430 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:52.559 That is correct, the ground, the snow. 431 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:54.279 And the leaves that were underneath it. Of course there 432 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:56.400 are a lot of people walking around. You couldn't see 433 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.920 the blood, correct, directly underneath the window, right the back window. 434 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:02.000 You noticed, led it was on the. 435 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.599 Window sill itself on the second floor, one hand one 436 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:07.799 mark on. 437 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:09.000 That window ledge. 438 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.640 Yes, we also noted and led that at some point 439 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:16.000 had gone onto the two shingles that were in. 440 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.960 The area underneath that ledge underneath that window, right correct, 441 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:24.599 And off of the blood on the floor on the 442 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:29.279 ground with the ant documents, doct that may be admitted. 443 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:31.240 Thank you. 444 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:35.440 Now, the state police went and got a search word right, correct. 445 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:37.559 And you were there when they were searching. 446 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:38.119 Correct. 447 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.640 You guys were helping out obviously it was a group 448 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.720 effort to search the house for relevant or material evidence. 449 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:46.519 Right correct. Now. 450 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:50.160 One of the things that was seized were pill bottles, 451 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:50.680 Is that right? 452 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.640 Correct? You know why they were seized? Did you seize 453 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:55.480 any pill bottles? 454 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:57.839 I did not, Were you there when the state police 455 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:58.839 seized the pill bottles. 456 00:21:58.880 --> 00:21:59.359 I wasn't. 457 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.519 Do you recall that the pill bottles were seized from, 458 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.359 for example, in the kitchen you opened up a cabinet 459 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.440 and they were right on a bunch of them, blind 460 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:08.400 up on a shelf. 461 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:11.519 I can't attest to that. I wasn't present for that. 462 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:13.039 When I ask you this, where did they get the 463 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:13.880 pill bottles from? 464 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.319 You'd have to ask them. I wasn't there when they 465 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:18.279 seized the bottles. 466 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:18.880 You weren't there. 467 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.880 I wasn't in that room. We were in multiple rooms 468 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:22.079 at a. 469 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.480 Time, so I maybe I may stay corrected. I'm sorry 470 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.279 if I thought I asked you if you were there 471 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:28.680 when the state police was seizing the bottles, and I thought. 472 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:29.039 You said you were. 473 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:29.759 I was in the house. 474 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.920 Correct, in the house, but you weren't there when they 475 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:34.720 were seizing it. How about up in the bedroom. Did 476 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:35.960 you go up in the bedroom? I did? 477 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:40.559 Did you observe the blood on the floor ido? 478 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:42.720 Yes? 479 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:45.279 Correct? 480 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.799 And when you went into the bedroom you made observations 481 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:50.680 as a detective? 482 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:53.160 Certainly? 483 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:55.000 Yes? 484 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.839 Does this appear to be a fair accurately rendition of 485 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:02.839 the floor blood drops on the floor? 486 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:03.000 It? 487 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:11.680 Yes, this is a indication of the bed itself, the 488 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:12.640 right side of the bed. 489 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:15.400 Additional blood that was located. 490 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.240 On the floor next to the boots just appeared to 491 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.200 be the night stand that was next to the bed. 492 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:20.880 It doesn't. 493 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:23.400 And do you see what's on top of the night skin? Yes, 494 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:24.880 but what's on top of the night stand. 495 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:28.319 There's two cups, a knife looks like a jar or something, 496 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:28.799 and maybe a. 497 00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:30.759 Clock also blood drops. 498 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:31.920 Correct. 499 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:36.680 This is a additional photograph moving father down. 500 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:37.799 Towards the right side of the bed. 501 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:38.319 Correct. 502 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.240 This is a close up of the knife that was 503 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.359 on the night stand as well as the little cup 504 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:52.000 that was near and something that says deep sleep pillow spray. 505 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:52.960 You see that, yep? 506 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:55.960 And that was on the on that top of. 507 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.319 The furniture correct. 508 00:23:58.440 --> 00:23:58.799 Correct. 509 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:04.640 This again is an area depicting areas of clothing. It 510 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:09.400 looks like a little headband, a wire perhaps the tragic phone. 511 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:10.640 And let on the floor. 512 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:11.079 Correct. 513 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.839 And this shows the location of the bed. 514 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.480 Additional photograph of the blood towards the end of the 515 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.279 bed and also the area of the window right. 516 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:26.839 Went off of these. 517 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:31.039 Jet to that photograph. 518 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.759 Can I see council in regards that may be admitted. 519 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:40.920 Different angle. 520 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.599 But basically the boots that I already showed you in 521 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.680 the blood showing that the blood kind of follows through 522 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:50.319 along the edge of the bed, the furniture and then up. 523 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:50.759 To the wall. 524 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:53.119 Was there also, like. 525 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:55.279 If you one of those full length. 526 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:56.680 Mirrors, I don't go. 527 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.640 In that all right, those pictures may be admitted. 528 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:06.839 So you had nothing willing. 529 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.359 To take a council mock these. 530 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.839 So you had nothing to do with the seizure or 531 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:17.039 the models. 532 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:21.319 Correct, Yeah, you don't have a memory of looking in 533 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.640 the cabinet in the kitchen and seeing a number of 534 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.200 journals or spiral bound notebooks and books. 535 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:27.559 Correct? 536 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.599 Was that pretty much the extent of your involvement with 537 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:32.599 this case that night? 538 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:34.640 That night, guess? 539 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.440 And you really didn't get involved with any further investigation 540 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:42.400 on this matter as far as seizing evidence except for 541 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:43.480 what you testified to. 542 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.920 Right, we did seize I located a laptop in the 543 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.400 hallway closet, okay, and that was I believe sees by 544 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:51.480 the state police as well. 545 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:56.079 Okay, anything else you recall how about do you remember. 546 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.400 And you guys are searching or you watched the state 547 00:25:59.440 --> 00:25:59.960 plice search. 548 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:02.680 Did they open up the. 549 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.720 Row to the nice stand that was next to the bed, 550 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:09.000 the number of. 551 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:09.960 Toad bottles in it. 552 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.240 Again, I wasn't present when that was taken, so I 553 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:16.039 can't attest to that. 554 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:24.559 I don't recall, Okay, Bucket, you redirect. 555 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.240 Sure when you were at the hospital with Lindsay Clancy 556 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.119 with the defendant, were the medical staff in the emergency 557 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.839 department actively treating the wounds to her neck and her wrists? 558 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:36.759 No, they were not. 559 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.240 And when you came back to the home at forty 560 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.720 seven Summer Street to secure the scene and wait for 561 00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:48.119 crime scene services, nobody went into the house that didn't 562 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.240 need to be there before crime scene service, is correct? 563 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:50.720 Correct? 564 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:52.480 And that in your experience? Is that normal? 565 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:52.799 Yes? 566 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.319 And so were you present when any of the photographs 567 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:58.160 that were shown to you by defense council were taken? 568 00:26:58.319 --> 00:26:59.319 I don't believe so. 569 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.319 Okay, So your testimony today about those photos is your 570 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.839 best memory of what the scene looked like at that time? 571 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.160 And as far as your role in the search warrant execution, 572 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.200 fair to say there were quite a number of State 573 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:17.079 Police Duxbury officers as well as crime scene troopers un 574 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.400 scene in the house during that and each person did 575 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.279 they have their own kind of role in what they 576 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.160 were doing. Correct, And did you kind of stay to 577 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:26.920 your area? 578 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:27.920 Yes? 579 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.880 And you indicated that you found only found a laptop 580 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.640 in the first floor closet, correct, Correct, And so any 581 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.000 of the other manners in which the rooms were searched 582 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.119 you were not a part of. Correct, Thank you nothing 583 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:39.400 for them. 584 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.119 You didn't have to stay to the area as a 585 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.559 detective in the Duxbury Police department, did you, correct? So 586 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.039 you were able to go and assist with the search 587 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.279 and go into the different rooms and look for potential evidence. 588 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:52.160 Right, that's correct? 589 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.559 And do you remember approximately how many Duxbury Police officers 590 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.119 were in or about the house, either outside on the porch, 591 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.519 on the deck house, downstairs upstairs? 592 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:02.319 I don't it. 593 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:03.359 Would it be more than ten? 594 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:06.359 No, I wouldn't say more than ten. 595 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:07.480 How about State police? 596 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:08.519 You remember how many they were? 597 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.880 Of them? So all told? 598 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.799 When you considered that the Sheriff's department wasn't there too? 599 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:14.160 Were they? 600 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.839 If you recall, sometimes they send them to take pictures. 601 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:18.160 I don't know if they Okay? 602 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.160 Would you agree that they were probably more than ten 603 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.759 officers from State police and Duxbury Police that would be 604 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.880 doing this investigation? Correct, all right, a number of police 605 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.519 cruisers and then you have perhaps just asking the yellow tape, 606 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:35.279 you know, crime scene, don't pass it. 607 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:35.599 And all that. 608 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.440 Now, if I was, for example, to show up and 609 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:40.559 pull up in my car and get out, and they're 610 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.519 not gonna let me wander in the house and look around, 611 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:46.319 are they correct? I mean that's just for law enforcement 612 00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:50.279 officers only until they clear the scene. Correct, that's after 613 00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.720 they execute their search warrants and find whatever evidence is 614 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.720 relevant in their opinion, correct that they seize, right, Yes, 615 00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:58.960 once the scene is clear, then people are able to 616 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:00.000 go back into the home. 617 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:00.720 Right. 618 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.119 And you don't know I would imagine when they cleared 619 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.640 the scene. Correct, Thank you, that's all weird. 620 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.920 Anything on that, all right, thank you, sir, Thank you, 621 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:08.519 Thank you. 622 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.160 Three Bucky please. 623 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.000 Olright, good afternoon, sir, afternoon, sir, all right, three Bucky 624 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:18.759 and polease, thank. 625 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:20.920 You, good morning, good morning. Could you please tell the 626 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:21.799 juris your first. 627 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.759 And last name Richard Lepard and. 628 00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:26.839 Can you spell your last name for the record. 629 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.960 L ipp aar D. 630 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:30.359 And how you employed? 631 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:32.759 I worked for the Duxbury Police Department. 632 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.480 And how long have you been a police officer? 633 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.000 Six and a half years? 634 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.279 Have you worked for Duxbury the entire time or did 635 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:39.680 you work. 636 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.279 Some police house the entire time? 637 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.480 What's your current assignment at the Duxbury Police patrolman? Back 638 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:49.880 in January of twenty twenty three, were you also on 639 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.119 patrol then, yes, ma'am. Were you working the day of 640 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.960 January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, Yes, At some point 641 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.039 while you were on ship that day, were you you 642 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.599 asked to assist in an ongoing investigation for an incident 643 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.000 that occurred at forty seven Summer Street in Duxbury. 644 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.359 Yes, I was called back in. 645 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:10.200 You were called back in? 646 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:10.680 Yep? 647 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:11.880 Had you finished your shift? 648 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:12.599 Yes, ma'am. 649 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:13.759 And so where were. 650 00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.960 You asked to go to the police department? 651 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.599 When you came to the police department, where did they 652 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.000 direct you to go? As far as the investigation went? 653 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.799 South Shore Hospital in Weymouth. 654 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.839 And so when you arrived at Solfshare Hospital, was there 655 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:28.519 already another Duxberry officer. 656 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.440 There, Detective Mafia was there? 657 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:30.920 Okay? 658 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.079 And what was the purpose of you going to south 659 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:34.279 Shore Hospital. 660 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.359 To overwatch the person in custody? 661 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.000 Okay? And did you learn who that person was? 662 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:42.720 Yes? 663 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.880 And fair to say that individual was a woman by 664 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.319 the name of Lindsay Clancy Crackt. 665 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:47.759 Yes. 666 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.960 What were your observations of her when you were at 667 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:51.880 south Shore Hospital? 668 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:58.000 She seemed to be sedated, not speaking or anything on 669 00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.720 the hospital bed, just laying there. 670 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.680 And excuse me, when you were there or during the 671 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.599 time that you were there, did you ever have any 672 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:07.559 conversation with her? 673 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:08.079 No? 674 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.000 Did she remain unresponsive during the time that you were there? 675 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:11.599 Yes? 676 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:16.480 And were you also there when somebody came in and 677 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.599 took some photographs of her? 678 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:20.160 I do not recall. 679 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.440 Were medical staff tending to her during the time that 680 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:27.039 you were with her? 681 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:27.640 Yes? 682 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.640 Where in the Soelshire hospital was this the emergency department 683 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:31.359 or someplace else? 684 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:32.599 Emergency department? 685 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.039 And shortly after you were there observing her, did she 686 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:39.960 or did the doctors indicate she was going to be 687 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.119 transported someplace else? 688 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:41.880 Yes? 689 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:42.960 Where was she going to go? 690 00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:45.440 That she was going to be med flighted to the 691 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:46.599 Brigham in Boston. 692 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.039 And other than yourself or other law enforcement and medical staff, 693 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.720 did anyone speak with her at the Soelshore Hospital? 694 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:54.519 No? 695 00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.480 And when she was transported to the hospital and Boston, 696 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.279 did you go along with the transport? 697 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:02.799 Yes? 698 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.559 Do you remember how she was transported. 699 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.920 It was a medlight helicopter, so you. 700 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.160 Wrote in the helicopter with her. 701 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:08.680 Yes. 702 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:14.119 And when you arrived at the Brigham in Boston, where 703 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.079 did she go there? 704 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.359 She went to the emergency room. 705 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.200 Did you remain with her during that time period? 706 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:20.960 Correct? 707 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.680 And was there anyone else with you at the Brigham 708 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:25.119 with her? 709 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.079 Off, Sir Broderick, And. 710 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.240 So the two of you were what was your role. 711 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.160 Just to overwatch and stay with. 712 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.680 Her at any point when you were with her at 713 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:41.799 the Brigham did she ever was she ever awake or responsive? 714 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:44.400 No, not to my knowledge. 715 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:48.880 And how long were you at the Brigham with her? 716 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.839 About fifteen to sixteen hours, okay. 717 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:56.319 So fair to say it was over the course of 718 00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.119 that night until the next morning, Yes, ma'am. Over the 719 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.000 course of the night and the next morning. Do you 720 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.880 observe her medical status change? 721 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.640 There was some type of medical code during the nighttime. 722 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:09.960 I'm not sure what it was. 723 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.359 Okay, But you were present in the room when that happened. 724 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.000 Yes, we were outside the room outside. 725 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:16.279 Ye. 726 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:22.279 And the next morning, when your shift concluded, did somebody 727 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.079 else from the Duxbury Police Department come and relieve you? 728 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:26.119 Yes? 729 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.920 During the time that you were there did anyone besides 730 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.119 medical staff or the law enforcement officers that you were 731 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:39.640 with interact with the defendant. No, thank you nothing for that. 732 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.839 It's ready money. 733 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:50.119 Afternoon, So young man working for the town of Duxbury. 734 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:54.839 And you were detailed to the home initially correct, No, sir, 735 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.839 you didn't go to the house at all, No, sir, okay, 736 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.119 you went directly to Self Shore. 737 00:33:58.319 --> 00:33:58.720 Correct. 738 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.599 And when you were at south Shore, your purpose was to, 739 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.279 as you say, overwatch Well, that basically is, she was 740 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.279 in custody at that point, right, correct. So one of 741 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:11.360 your obligations was is to, I guess, guard the unconscious person, 742 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:15.239 to make sure what to do, what, just to stand there, correct, okay, 743 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:17.199 And you did in. 744 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.840 The South Shore hospital, right, yes, sir. 745 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.599 And you made your observations of her bandage or whatever 746 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:23.599 laying in the bed and. 747 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.039 She was not conscious correct. 748 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:25.760 Correct. 749 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.320 And at some point the decision was made medically that 750 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.119 they were going to have her med flighted to the 751 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.000 Boston hospital bring him a woman's right correct. 752 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:36.599 And that was by way of the helicopter. 753 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:37.880 Yes, sir, you had a. 754 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.039 Helicopter ride into Boston with her, right, Yes, sir, you 755 00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:44.079 were over watching her in the helicopter again, right, Yes, 756 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:48.199 she still had not gained consciousness at all. Correct, She 757 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.440 wasn't talking to you or medical staff or anybody. 758 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:51.960 Right, correct. 759 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.960 He was already had the tubes and stuff in her 760 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.039 mouth coming out. She was bandaged up and wrapped up 761 00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.039 and basically laying down in the gurney in the helllicopter. 762 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:01.440 Right, yes, sir. 763 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:04.599 So once she gets to Brigham and Women's Hospital, they 764 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.079 bring her into the emergency room, right, yes. And that 765 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:16.320 room was loaded with equipment, boxes, wires, tubes, buzzing beeps, lights, 766 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.960 things of that nature, right, Yes, life saving equipment that 767 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.239 was in there, right, Yes, very small room, wasn't it. 768 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.639 Yes, kind of had to maneuver. 769 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.320 There was enough space for the medical staff to maneuver, 770 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:30.920 all right. 771 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.280 And how many police officers were over watching the unconscious 772 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.840 person while she was in the emergency room and Bringham 773 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.079 a woman too, That would be you and the other 774 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.000 officer from Duxbury, Yes, sir. At what point did the 775 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.199 state police officers arrive in the hospital. 776 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.599 I don't recall them coming to the hospital. 777 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.079 Did you ever see state police in the hospital. 778 00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.599 Possibly at South Shore Hospital, but not in Boston. 779 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:01.159 So you're in Brigham and Women's off of the helicopter 780 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.880 into the emergency room for a day, is that correct? 781 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:06.159 Correct? 782 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:06.960 Sixteen hours? 783 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.159 Did you go back there again after. 784 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.239 That day to subshore hospital. 785 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.599 No, Brigham a women's hospital, No, So you're limited to 786 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:17.760 the time that you were there as to you and 787 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.599 your brother officer were there in the room with her, correct, Yes, 788 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.880 and a number of nurses and doctors, right, Yes, you 789 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:28.880 had to say it was pretty much it was chaos. 790 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:29.760 It was pretty It was. 791 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.480 Like bedlamb in that room, wasn't it? 792 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:33.119 Yes, very busy. 793 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.599 And you don't remember any other police officers. How about 794 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.559 internal police officers from Brigham and Women's Hospital? 795 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.159 Do you recall them being there? 796 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.760 There may have been security, but I do not recall. 797 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.519 So is it your testimony that you do not recall 798 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:53.760 any other police being in that room or outside the 799 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:55.000 room when you were. 800 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:55.840 There, correct? 801 00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:00.159 Now, at some point police were detailed, if you know, oh, 802 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.159 to sit outside the room to guide the door, is 803 00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:03.719 that correct? 804 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:09.400 Yes? And what were you guiding against actually overall. 805 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.960 Anybody coming to visit, right, because. 806 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.119 Nobody was allowed to visit right? 807 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:14.960 Correct? 808 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.360 And then while you were there in the early morning, 809 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.519 I was about two twenty four or something like that. 810 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.280 There was, as you said to the jury of code right. Yes. 811 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.559 And again that kind of amped up the bedlamb at 812 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.280 that point, didn't it, Yes, sir, with people running from 813 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.000 all over, and you could hear on the microphone code 814 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.239 blue with the room being identified, right, yes, and that 815 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.559 meant that she was dead or dying right. 816 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:46.840 Yes. 817 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.280 She was chained to the hospital bed too, wasn't she. 818 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.079 I do not recall her being handcuffed? No, sir. 819 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:03.320 Do you recall when you left? Yes? 820 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.760 The next morning around ten from what I remember. 821 00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:12.639 Okay, And you were relieved by. 822 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.679 Who Officer Daily from the Duxbury Police Department and Officer 823 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.920 Johnson from the Duxbury Police Department. 824 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.960 All right, so you've got two Duxbury Police officers. And 825 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.960 do your memory with any other law enforcement officers? 826 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:26.760 Not with them? 827 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.719 No, how about on their own? 828 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.360 Did you observe other law enforcement officers come in that 829 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:33.559 room or outside the room? 830 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.880 No, sir, And then you that was the end of 831 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.880 your shift and you left, yes, sir? Okay, thank you, sir. 832 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.639 Counsel think further, all right, thank you, sir, Thank you. 833 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:46.840 Come off. 834 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.000 Calls Doctor Mark Kenowitz. 835 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.719 For the record. Object this. 836 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:55.400 Circumstances. 837 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:56.840 Do you want to go to sidebar. 838 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:04.719 Hy trees bray concern, thank you Anna, lots of stuff, 839 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.880 Cadethnue doc half you answer Hi, May yes, please, thank you, 840 00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:11.840 good afternoon. 841 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.639 Could you please state and spell your name for the 842 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:18.360 record mark Joseph Tanarowitz, M A R K J O 843 00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.400 S E P H T E N E R O 844 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:22.480 W I c Z. 845 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.960 And what is your date of birth star to twenty 846 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.119 eight sixty nine? What do you do for a living? 847 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.519 I was an emergency physician. I'm currently not acting as 848 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:32.400 an emergency physician. 849 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:33.760 What do you currently do? 850 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.840 I do disability review for the Day Rhode Island. 851 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.039 And so directing your attention back to January of twenty 852 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.079 twenty three, were you an emergency room physician at that time? 853 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:44.800 Yes? I was? 854 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.360 And where did you work? Beth Israel, Deaconess Plymouth And 855 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.719 could you briefly describe for the jurors your educational background 856 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.000 and the training that you underwent to qualify to be 857 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:55.239 an emergency room physician. 858 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.480 I did my undergraduate education at Trinity College. I did 859 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:02.039 a one year postbacalaureate pre medical program at Bremmar College. 860 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.840 I then got my medical degree from Brown University, and 861 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.159 I did my residency in emergency medicine at UMSS Memorial 862 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:09.559 in Worcester. 863 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.920 And when you finished your education and training, did you 864 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.920 work in emergency care after that point up until you've 865 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.440 changed positions? In directing your attention to January twenty fourth, 866 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.920 twenty twenty three, were you working in the evening hours 867 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:25.320 that day? 868 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:25.920 I was? 869 00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:28.400 And at some point in time did you treat a 870 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:29.880 child named Dawson Clancy? 871 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:30.400 Yes? 872 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:32.159 How did he arrive at. 873 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.000 The hospital here? 874 00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.679 Arrived by Fire department ambulance? 875 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.559 And when he arrived were you given a summary of 876 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.800 his injuries by emergency personnel? 877 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:40.199 Yes? 878 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:41.519 What did you learn at that time? 879 00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:45.039 I was told that he reportedly had been strangled, and 880 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.039 he was found without a pulse and not breathing. 881 00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.880 And what observations did you make of Dawson yourself? 882 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:52.239 When he arrived? 883 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:56.760 He had a breathing tubein they had placed a device 884 00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.880 into the bone of his leg to give him intravenoce 885 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.639 fluids and medicines CPR was in progress. He was not 886 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.400 breathing on his own, and and he had no pulse 887 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:05.400 and I was not responding. 888 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:10.280 And after quote straight, did you observe any trauma to 889 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:10.800 his body. 890 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.400 I believe there were some old appearing bruises on his legs, 891 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.119 and there was some ruptured blood vessels on his face. 892 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.639 And did you observe anything in the area of his neck, 893 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:29.079 not that I can recall. And what did you do 894 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:29.920 to treat Dawson. 895 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.920 We continued CPR, We continued to give him ivy fluids. 896 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.119 We gave him doses of adrenaline to try and restart 897 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:41.000 his heart. We confirmed that the breathing tube was in 898 00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:45.079 the right position. We eventually gave medicines to treat the 899 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.360 presumed acid build up in his blood. We gave him 900 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.519 calcium to make sure that his heart would if it 901 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.079 started again, would beat effectively. 902 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:53.400 And that's what we did. 903 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.760 And how did you go about making sure that the 904 00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.320 breathing apparatus was in place properly? 905 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.280 Basically four ways. We detected carbon dioxide in the air 906 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.679 coming out of his lungs, which usually just comes from 907 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:12.519 the lungs. I listened and could hear breath sounds. I 908 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:16.079 looked with a video lorynge scope to confirm that the 909 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.079 tube was between the vocal cords going into the lungs. 910 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:20.840 And we didn't X ray and when. 911 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.639 You say you were hearing breath sounds, was that him 912 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.119 breathing on his own or something else breathing for him? 913 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.119 That it was someone breathing for him, squeezing the bag 914 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:28.960 attached to the breathing tube, And. 915 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.760 So that the breath sounds you heard just confirmed that 916 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.159 whoever was squeezing the bag mask bag valve mask, the 917 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:38.920 air from that was going into the lungs and then 918 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.519 coming carbon dix grost coming out. 919 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:42.039 He was not breathing spontaneously. 920 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:42.440 Okay. 921 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.719 And are you while all of this is happening, are 922 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:48.880 you continuing to assess him in his condition? 923 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:49.440 Yes? 924 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:50.920 And what were your assessments? 925 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.199 So we would stop periodically every several minutes to very 926 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.039 briefly check to see if he was breathing on his 927 00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.639 own or if he had a pulse, and he was not. 928 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.519 At any point. At one point towards the end of 929 00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.599 the resuscitation, I used an ultrasound to determine if his 930 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.320 heart was being effectively and there was no. 931 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:07.960 Evidence of that. 932 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.639 And based on your training and experience, at some point 933 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:18.199 in time, did you make a determination that your efforts 934 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:18.760 weren't going. 935 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:19.480 To be successful? 936 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.199 I did, based on the time from when resuscitative efforts 937 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.159 started in the field by the paramedics, and the time 938 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.400 that we put in, and the fact that despite the 939 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.159 best resuscitative efforts we could, the fluids, the medicines, the 940 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.880 CPR breathing for him, it did not look like his 941 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:40.000 heart wouldever start again. 942 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.000 Approximately how long did you and your team work on Dawson. 943 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.480 I believe we worked on Dawson about forty minutes, in 944 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:49.280 addition to what the paramedics. 945 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:49.679 Had done previously. 946 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.159 At any point in time did you try to use 947 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.000 a defibrillator? I did not, And why is that? 948 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.519 He was unfortunately never in a heart rhythm that would 949 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:03.360 have made defibrillation and effective treatment. 950 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.239 So your heart has to be in a certain condition 951 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.360 for a defibrillator to even work. 952 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:12.760 Yes, there are two heart rhythms basically equivaling out of 953 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.360 the heart that if you use a defibrillator you can 954 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.920 restore a rhythm that makes the heart beat effectively. 955 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.039 He was never in one of those rhythms. 956 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.719 And at some point in time did you declare Dawson deceased? 957 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:27.199 Yes? 958 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:29.360 And do you recall when that was. 959 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.440 I believe from my review of the records recently, it 960 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:33.719 was at nineteen twenty eight. 961 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.199 In nineteen twenty eight, would that be seven twenty eight pm. 962 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:46.280 It's correct, Thank you doctor, it's really definitely. 963 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.599 You indicated that you observe what appear to be older 964 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.840 bruises to his legs. Yes, sene area. 965 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.039 Yes. And he also had an interoscious device. 966 00:44:58.119 --> 00:44:59.119 I think is that what you said? 967 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.480 Yes, he did, and that would require inserting a needle 968 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.639 or something into the excel shambone area. 969 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.960 Yes, into the tibia. Thank you. Sure, that's all I 970 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.239 have anything for the right, Thank you doctor. 971 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.639 Thank you from the call, doctor Benjamin Kaufman. 972 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:20.000 A right, good afternoon, document. I would like to just 973 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.599 note the same objection, same ruling. 974 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.840 Thank you, honor, good afternoon. Could you please stay and 975 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:26.960 spell your name for the record. 976 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.320 It's Benjamin Kaufman B E N J A M I 977 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.719 N K A U F M A N and your 978 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.400 date of birth star September tenth, nineteen eighty four. 979 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:36.800 What do you do for a living? 980 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.960 I'm an emergency medicine doctor. 981 00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:40.320 How long have you been doing that? 982 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:42.280 About twelve years? 983 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.360 Could you briefly describe for the jurors your educational and 984 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:47.360 training background that qualifies you for that role? 985 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:51.519 Yeah, I went to Boston University for medical school, and 986 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:56.039 then King's County for residency training, and then Columbia for 987 00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.280 fellowship in Global Emergency Medicine. 988 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.559 And where do you currently work Beth, Israel and Plymouth 989 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.960 And back in January of twenty twenty three did you 990 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:06.400 work there? 991 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:07.039 I did? 992 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.639 And specifically on January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, were 993 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:11.519 you working that evening? 994 00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:12.119 I was. 995 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:14.920 And while you were working that evening, did you treat 996 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.519 a patient named Callen Clancy? 997 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:17.960 Yes, that was my patient. 998 00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.320 And do you recall how he arrived at the hospital? 999 00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.719 Yes, with the EMS with CPR ongoing. 1000 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.000 And is it typical that when EMS arrived with a 1001 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.280 patient they give you kind of a summary or a 1002 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:30.880 rundown of the patient's condition. 1003 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:31.559 It is. 1004 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.119 And did they give you that rundown on Kllen's condition? 1005 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:36.320 They did. 1006 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.480 He at the time his heart had stopped and CPR 1007 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.079 was ongoing and he was not breathing. 1008 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.239 He was receiving breaths by a bag bob mas ventilation. 1009 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:51.480 And what did you do in terms of treating Callen? 1010 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.440 So as soon as he came in, Basically, we put 1011 00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.719 in a breathing tube and we were able to get 1012 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.000 an eye established. 1013 00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.199 The first thing that we do is give a. 1014 00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.760 Dose of epinephrine, and in this case you can look 1015 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.280 directly at the heart with an ultrasound, and his heart 1016 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.920 started beating after we were able to give that dose. 1017 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:16.280 At that point, we. 1018 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:22.719 Continued compressions, continued giving him breaths through the breathing tube. 1019 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.760 And Plymouth Hospital does not have pediatrics or the ability 1020 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:31.599 to care for that level of pediatric patients. So we're 1021 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:36.039 on the phone with Boston Children's Hospital making preparations basically 1022 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.519 to get him to the more definitive care. 1023 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.800 And about how long into your care of Callen did 1024 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.000 he regain a heartbeat? 1025 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.440 Probably from the time that he got to the er, 1026 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.480 maybe like ten minutes. 1027 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.639 Or so, I'm guessing at any point in time did 1028 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.719 he regain the ability to breathe on his own while 1029 00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:01.880 he was in your care. No, did you do any 1030 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.920 examination or testing to determine Kalen's brain function, So. 1031 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.400 At no point did he exhibit any brain function. I'm 1032 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.400 not a neurologist, so we are not the definitive person. 1033 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:18.199 But an emergency medicine a there's a scale called the 1034 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.760 Glasgow Coma scale, which is generally from three to fifteen. 1035 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:26.679 There's different variations for pediatrics, but he scored the lowest, 1036 00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.280 which basically is you're in a coma or have no 1037 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.159 brain response during the entire time that he was in 1038 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:32.519 my care. 1039 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:37.360 So on that scale, the three to fifteen fifteen, would 1040 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:41.360 that be someone who's walking and talking and acting normally, 1041 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.239 that's correct, and a three is that someone with no 1042 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:44.880 brain function? 1043 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:46.559 That is correct. 1044 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.639 And you testified that Callen was at a three when 1045 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:50.440 you treated him. 1046 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:53.679 Had no time during his care did he have any 1047 00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:55.840 brain function that was evident. 1048 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:56.159 On my exam? 1049 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:01.280 And at some point in time was it decided to 1050 00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.880 transfer his care to Boston Children's Hospital. 1051 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.639 Yes, we were in contact with them basically immediately, and 1052 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.280 then he was flown by helicopter to Boston Children's Hospital 1053 00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.159 and they the whole time that I see you, doctors 1054 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.320 were on the phone reviewing the case and making recommendations. 1055 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.119 And at any point in time to your knowledge, from 1056 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.400 the time he entered the emergency department at Beth Israel 1057 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.599 Deaconess Plymouth until he arrived at Boston Children's Hospital, was 1058 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:30.960 he able to breathe on his own? 1059 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:36.480 No, thank you, doctor, all right, kensel I have no questions. 1060 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:36.719 Thank you. 1061 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.519 Thank you, don Tony Bucky. 1062 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.039 You're call Melissa Arkadepaine. 1063 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:51.480 Please like this Tony Bucky, Please thank you. 1064 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.239 Good afternoon. Could you please tell the jersey your first 1065 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.400 and last name? Melissa account of pain. Can you spell 1066 00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:59.480 your lesson for the record? 1067 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.320 He C, D, I, PA, N E. 1068 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.519 And did you work for Social Hospital? 1069 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.360 Yes? 1070 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:10.639 And what was your role at Social Hospital? 1071 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.800 My last role was a supervisor of the specimen process 1072 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.280 in department in the laboratory. 1073 00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:23.519 And do you still work in that role No? Back 1074 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.559 in twenty twenty three, specifically January, were you in that role? 1075 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:28.000 Yes? 1076 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.039 And how long had you worked for or have you 1077 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:33.119 worked for Social Hospital over the course of the years 1078 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:37.599 over twenty years? You said that you were the specimen 1079 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:38.840 processing supervisor. 1080 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:39.280 Correct. 1081 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.639 What are the general responsibilities for. 1082 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.159 That role overseeing the department where all of the specimens 1083 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:49.119 from within the hospital and even outside of the hospital 1084 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.599 will come in through that department to be received, checked, 1085 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.920 make sure they have orders, make sure they're collected in 1086 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:55.440 the correct. 1087 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:55.719 Two. 1088 00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.840 And the laboratory at Social Hospit is responsible for processing 1089 00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:04.559 blood samples, urine samples that come from other areas of 1090 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.400 the hospital. Correct. Correct, So can you just generally tell 1091 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.679 us how blooder urine sample would come from the emergency 1092 00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:13.920 department at Social hospital to the laboratory. 1093 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.679 So in most cases, blood sample or urine will come 1094 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.360 through a pneumatic tube system from the emergency room. They'll 1095 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.000 put it in a tube, hit a button, and it 1096 00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.199 will come over to the lamb, which is what's across 1097 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.679 the street, and we would take it out of that 1098 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.840 canister and process it at that point. 1099 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:34.320 And the specimens that are collected in a place like 1100 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.800 the emergency department are done by a nurse or technician 1101 00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:41.800 who takes the samples, puts them in the appropriate file 1102 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.840 or tube, and labels them correct. And so when they 1103 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.159 come to you through that pneumatic system, what does your 1104 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.880 laboratory do with the samples. 1105 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.719 Well, we check the sample, make sure it's labeled, make 1106 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.559 sure it's in the correct tube, and then we would 1107 00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:56.280 process it. 1108 00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:02.400 And traditionally, would your laboratory see ve several samples, meaning 1109 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.440 several vials of blood or urine from one patient, they could, yes, 1110 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.559 And as far as the orders for testing you at 1111 00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.800 the laboratory would only run particular tests that are ordered 1112 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.719 by a physician correct correct. Does that usually consume the 1113 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.559 whole sample that you receive from the emergency department. Not 1114 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.719 always now, And so would it be a common procedure 1115 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.079 that samples from a particular patient would be retained in 1116 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.760 case additional testing needed to be done. Yes, and working 1117 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.400 in the lab as the specimen processing supervisor you familiar 1118 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.920 would just referred to as a preservation notice. I am, 1119 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:38.079 what do you know that to be? 1120 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.079 So that is a notice that we would receive from 1121 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:45.639 a law enforcement agency asking us to hold specific samples 1122 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:47.199 for a particular patient. 1123 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:49.800 And what would your laboratory do when you receive a 1124 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:51.800 preservation notice for a particular patient? 1125 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.679 So the samples would be pulled aside, they would be 1126 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.400 put in a specimen bag. A copy of that preservation 1127 00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.239 notice gets put in the bag with the samples and 1128 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:05.440 it is put in a separate bin within the specimen refrigerator. 1129 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:10.239 And the specimen refrigerator is that a place that specimens 1130 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:13.719 are are stored until they're either used or discarded? 1131 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:14.320 Correct? 1132 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:20.880 And does that preserve the specimen? Meaning they need to 1133 00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:21.800 be refrigerated? 1134 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.719 So, but we we separate those specimens that potentially could 1135 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:30.079 be needed elsewhere into a separate spot so that they don't. 1136 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.320 Get discarded Now, were you aware that a preservation notice 1137 00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:36.840 had been served on Celshore Hospital for the blood and 1138 00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:40.039 urine of Lindsay Clancy on January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, Hi, 1139 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.519 bless and was were those samples of blood and urine 1140 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.280 collected in the same manner you just described and then 1141 00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:47.639 and put in a separate bin? 1142 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:48.039 Yes? 1143 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.360 And on January thirty first, twenty twenty three, did you 1144 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.440 have the opportunity to interact with a trooper from the 1145 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:56.639 Massachusetts State Police? 1146 00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:57.000 I did? 1147 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.360 And what was that interaction? Can you describe it to us? 1148 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.760 He came with a warrant to collect the specimens, and 1149 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:05.360 so did you. 1150 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.079 Collect the specimens that were labeled for Lindsay Clancy? I did. 1151 00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:11.760 Somebody had already put them in that bin in a bag, 1152 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.719 so I just went to the band, retrieved them, made 1153 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.800 sure they were hers, and gave them to the officer. 1154 00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.920 And in fact, you handed over six files of blood 1155 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.679 in one vile of your into the trooper on that day. Correct. 1156 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.960 I don't remember the exact samples or sample type that 1157 00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.000 I handed over, but I do know that I gave 1158 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:30.760 him samples. 1159 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.719 Okay, And as far as your memory, you recall that 1160 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:37.400 you double checked the ID label on the items to 1161 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.119 make sure that they belonged to Lindsay Clancy. Definitely, No 1162 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.599 think further, Thank you, no. 1163 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:45.800 Questions, thank you, bye, thank you, thank you. 1164 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:47.119 Dan. 1165 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.199 At this time, the come Old had moved to submit 1166 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:53.639 the certified medical records from Beth Israel Deaconess in Plymouth 1167 00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:58.239 for Core Clancy, Dawson Clancy, and Calend Clancy in one binder. 1168 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.119 Oh do fine, they may be admitted. 1169 00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:05.440 It's a good approach. 1170 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:12.320 Sidebar yest jury uh and talking to council. We are 1171 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.639 gonna break for today, all right. But I've talked about 1172 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.039 over here is in regards to the schedule. 1173 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.760 Where we are, we are if not on schedule as 1174 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:24.159 a right. 1175 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:26.639 And much of it is because of the work when 1176 00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:30.519 when when you're not here, councilors going over some of 1177 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.960 the exhibits and some of that, and that's that's part 1178 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.320 of some of these these breaks, at least for you, 1179 00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:37.039 all right. 1180 00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.119 So I just kind of want to let you know 1181 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.000 that's what's going on. So we're gonna I'm gonna. 1182 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.920 Excuse you know, it's been a long week anyway, So 1183 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.559 we're gonna take a break till Monday, all right, and 1184 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.039 on Monday. The schedule anticipation will start about nine uh, 1185 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.519 maybe a little bit a little bit later than that. 1186 00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:56.840 But I asked you to be here ready to go 1187 00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.199 at nine is uh is some matters. 1188 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.199 I may have to talk the council, so it might 1189 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.960 give a little bit late to start for you on Monday, 1190 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.880 and then the anticipations. 1191 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.880 Will go most of the day. All right. Like I said, 1192 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.400 we are well on schedule. It's not ahead. 1193 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.679 What I want to remind you now, which you know, 1194 00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:18.920 I'm going to remind you that you're going to be 1195 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.199 not here for a couple of days. 1196 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:26.599 It's very important. You've heard some of the evidence. You 1197 00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:29.119 haven't heard all of the evidence. All right. You've heard, 1198 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.079 you haven't heard the law that you apply to this. 1199 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:33.960 So you have to keep an open mind. 1200 00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:36.760 And the best way to do that is don't talk 1201 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:42.840 about this with anyone, don't do any research, don't watch anything. 1202 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.360 If something comes on, turn it off. And just like 1203 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.519 I said, if you're talking to somebody that brings up. 1204 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:49.119 Blame me. 1205 00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.079 All right, Judge said, I am not to talk about it. 1206 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.199 I'm not going to listen to anybody talking about this 1207 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:56.679 and shut them. 1208 00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:57.679 Down right away. 1209 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.280 I appreciate all the work that you put in here 1210 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.960 so far. I look forward to seeing you on Monday. 1211 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.000 Hope you have a nice weekend. 1212 00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:07.360 And we'll see you there. 1213 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:11.679 All right, thank you, all right, sure, close a note 1214 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:13.280 books and face based up on the chest. 1215 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.119 Sessions, see it all right. 1216 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.280 Anything else we need to address before Monday morning, Council, 1217 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.760 all right. So we'll be in recess on this matter 1218 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:31.880 until Monday morning at nine o'clock we'll resume to trial. 1219 00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:40.519 Thank you all uys quotes some recess. Please exit the court.