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<v Speaker 1>Column this joy over Back, who's recent column in The

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<v Speaker 1>Rocky Mountain Voice don't align with teachers' unions against Amendment

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<v Speaker 1>eighty for school choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Joey, welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, thank Andy, great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's talk about our Amendment eighty. What it would do.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, it would put in the lock box I

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<v Speaker 3>call the lock box of the Colorado Constitution the right

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<v Speaker 3>to school choice for parents to direct And that's really

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<v Speaker 3>an important word, to direct their kids schooling, where their

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<v Speaker 3>kids go to school. In other words, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people are misunderstanding this because the actual amendment language says

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<v Speaker 3>the children have the right to school choice. So some

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<v Speaker 3>people are mistaken mistakenly thinking that that means that the

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<v Speaker 3>kid has the right to decide on the school the

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<v Speaker 3>kid goes to, and that's just preposterous.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it also says it says clearly in the initiative

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<v Speaker 1>that parents have the right to direct their children's education. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the language is there's.

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<v Speaker 3>But people are ignoring that because I think that language

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<v Speaker 3>is not in the actual uh, in the in the

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<v Speaker 3>language that's said that's on an Amendment eighting on the ballot,

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<v Speaker 3>and so people are missing that really important part. And

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the homeschoolers and some of the charter

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<v Speaker 3>people are saying, oh, my kid is going to decide

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't have my kid, and that if you

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<v Speaker 3>just follow that and let's just have a little fun

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<v Speaker 3>and follow that ridiculous assumption. Do they really think that

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<v Speaker 3>that a kid is going to sue the parent in

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<v Speaker 3>a Coloro court and have a radical judge who's usually

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<v Speaker 3>a Democrat who's totally against school choice and public money

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<v Speaker 3>being used to fund any private school, is going to

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<v Speaker 3>stay to the parent, Okay, Now your kid wants to

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<v Speaker 3>go to private Catholic school with his friends, so you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to fund that private Catholic school and

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to have to uh allow this kid to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. Or conversely, if the kid wants to go

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<v Speaker 3>to you know what, prepare it to homeschool. Does anybody

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<v Speaker 3>really think adem just going to say, okay, parent, you

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<v Speaker 3>need to quit your job and stay home and homeschoolier kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just so ludicrous and far fetched and

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<v Speaker 3>not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and for me, I mean, for me, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>argument stops when in the amendment it says parents have

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<v Speaker 1>the right to direct the education of their children. That

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the actual Amendment. So that should not

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<v Speaker 1>even we shouldn't even be doing like you know, hypotheticals

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<v Speaker 1>joy because I don't want to encourage people to think

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<v Speaker 1>down that line, because the language says the exact words,

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<v Speaker 1>parents have the right to direct the education of their children.

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<v Speaker 2>So we need to just put that to bed.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe. I know, I've gotten on Facebook from people who

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<v Speaker 3>do not understand that elementary fact that parents direct the right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I went to the to the preposterous scenario

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<v Speaker 3>of the judges. They just don't seem to get that.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing they're saying all over the place

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<v Speaker 3>is that the schools will be told by you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a line about quality education, that the kids have

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<v Speaker 3>a right to quality education. Or people are saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>quality education is going to be defined by the state,

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<v Speaker 3>by the government, and they're going to come in and

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<v Speaker 3>tell homeschoolers and charter parents and private schools this is

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<v Speaker 3>what you have to do. And you know what, already,

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<v Speaker 3>the Department of Education, the Board of Education in Colorado

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<v Speaker 3>is the one who really sets the curriculum. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>essentially for schools and so the government is already influencing

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<v Speaker 3>that and they're not going to influence anymore when this

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<v Speaker 3>an eighty passes. And that's the thing that people are

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<v Speaker 3>just they're just being gripped by these rational fears when

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<v Speaker 3>they should be welcoming this Amendment eighty with glad hosannas

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<v Speaker 3>and singing in the crashing of drums and symbols. Instead

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<v Speaker 3>of that, they're coming up with these really frankly ridiculous

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<v Speaker 3>objections to it. And as you said, actually at the

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<v Speaker 3>top of the hour, I think if we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>this Amendment eighty, the legislature is going to continue to interfere.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're already trying because they're going to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>look at the Republicans, the charter people, they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>They failed this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a big, big deal because now

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<v Speaker 1>that it's on the ballot, if this fails, because people

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily understand, and you've got this in your column

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<v Speaker 1>that last year House Build twenty four thirteen sixty three

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<v Speaker 1>was designed to start eroding charter schools and it would

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<v Speaker 1>have taken away their ability. A charter school can now

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<v Speaker 1>use available school buildings for free, and that would have

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<v Speaker 1>taken that away.

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<v Speaker 2>It repealed the Yeah, it repealed.

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<v Speaker 1>The ability of district charter schools to apply to use

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<v Speaker 1>the district building or land. So they're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>chipping away. And if we don't have this protection in

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<v Speaker 1>the constitution, those chipping away, they will just continue and

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<v Speaker 1>they will smell blood in the water if this pass.

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<v Speaker 2>If this doesn't pass now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And actually the worst provision of that bill that

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats tried to pass last time to erase charter

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<v Speaker 3>schools actually just to destroy the ability of charter schools

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<v Speaker 3>to function at all. At about fifteen percent of kids

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<v Speaker 3>in Colorado go to these wonderful and by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>they're public charter schools, which a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get that either.

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<v Speaker 3>They also, in this terrible bill that thank god didn't pass,

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<v Speaker 3>they would give the district the right to actually eradicate

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<v Speaker 3>all charter schools, even existing charter schools in the district,

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<v Speaker 3>if the district's per pupil enrollment is projected to decline,

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<v Speaker 3>not even if it declines, but if it's projected to decline.

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<v Speaker 3>So you see what that does. That absolutely strangles the

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<v Speaker 3>ability of parents just to me, It just effectively bans

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<v Speaker 3>all charter schools in the district if they're per pupil

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<v Speaker 3>enrollment is projected to decline, because, of course, the public

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<v Speaker 3>school people, the Democrats don't want the competition.

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<v Speaker 2>Of charter schools.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why they're trying to kill charter schools and homeschooling

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<v Speaker 3>because these always are nearly always score a lot better

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<v Speaker 3>in testing and in proficiency than the regular public school.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why they want they can't handle the competition.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, of course, just the mere fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the National Education Association at that crazy Randy Winingarten

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<v Speaker 3>and our local school unions teachers' unions tearing Paulo, have

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<v Speaker 3>actually kicked in between eight and ten million dollars to

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<v Speaker 3>try to destroy Amendment eighty. That should tell oh, it's working.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to read this to you, this text message,

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<v Speaker 1>I just got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy.

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<v Speaker 1>If the kid wants to go to the school where

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<v Speaker 1>they're encouraged to be trands, the legal system has already

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<v Speaker 1>wiped out parents. If the wording recognizes the rights of

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<v Speaker 1>the parent, cool, But if it bestows rights to a child.

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<v Speaker 2>No go for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me explain to this text where they're wrong. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they're run because it clearly delineates parents have the right

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<v Speaker 1>to direct their children's education. The implied right that you're

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<v Speaker 1>giving children is not clearly spelled out in this language,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would come in conflict with the clearly spelled

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<v Speaker 1>out language that gives parents the rights to direct their

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<v Speaker 1>child's education.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of them is assumed. One of them is

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<v Speaker 2>clearly in the amendment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they just have to Well, if they look at

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<v Speaker 3>their blue book under this, I think page three nine

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<v Speaker 3>or something, then the language is explained about the parent

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<v Speaker 3>having the right to direct education and people just need

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<v Speaker 3>to look up the word direct. Do you understand what

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<v Speaker 3>direct means? People? I mean sincerely. And also this completely

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<v Speaker 3>ridiculous scenario that the parent is going to be taken

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<v Speaker 3>court by the child. That's just not happening for the

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<v Speaker 3>reasons that I explained. And even if it were to happen,

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<v Speaker 3>the parent would not be instructed by the court to

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<v Speaker 3>quit his or her job at homeschool the kid or

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<v Speaker 3>to pay her religious school, which is another thing people

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<v Speaker 3>a parent are terrified of, and to pay tuition for real.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, no court is going to it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>command a parent to pay for religious instruction for their

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<v Speaker 3>kids at some Catholic school or Lutheran school or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got another text message I want to address here,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is how is this taking money from public schools?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the antis are claiming. There is no money

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<v Speaker 1>being directed anywhere. All this amendment does is say that

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<v Speaker 1>parents have the right to choose the best educational choices

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<v Speaker 1>for their children, and that existing charter schools, homeschool options,

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<v Speaker 1>private schools.

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<v Speaker 2>Have the right to exist. That's all it says.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no money, there's no economic impact, there's nothing. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the scare tactics used by the unions who say

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<v Speaker 1>that this is going to be used for vouchers, when

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<v Speaker 1>no one is talking about that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's exactly right. And so also the homeschoolers don't

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<v Speaker 3>want vouchers, right, they don't want vouchers for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're all using the weirdest thing and the most

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<v Speaker 3>bizarre thing is that the homeschoolers and the unions are

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<v Speaker 3>using the same language to try to defeat AMT eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>And that should be a clue. People don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the side of the teachers' unions if you

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<v Speaker 3>care about school choice, because they don't. They've been trying

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<v Speaker 3>to destroy school choices, excuse me, absolutely forever, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>why they're spending, as I say, eight to ten million

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<v Speaker 3>dollars to destroy the amendment. And the other thing that

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<v Speaker 3>people say is, oh, we already have school choice in howrall. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I live in the district that happened to have a

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<v Speaker 3>one person conservative majority on the board, but a while

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<v Speaker 3>ago they didn't. And any district area that has liberals

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<v Speaker 3>on the board, on your school board, they can just

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<v Speaker 3>deny school choice by denying charter applications, Willy Nill, you

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<v Speaker 3>just at the district level. And people don't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>get that either. But if we put it in the

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<v Speaker 3>lock box of the constitution, that's what we must do.

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<v Speaker 3>If you care about school choice, forget all these frivolous,

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely you know, bizarre, preposterous arguments about how the kid

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<v Speaker 3>is going to decide what schools she or he is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in. That's just not true. And as

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<v Speaker 3>you say, there's no fisical what we call a fiscal

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<v Speaker 3>note on this amount. The fiscal note would be spending

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<v Speaker 3>of public money. There's no spending, and there's no possibility

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<v Speaker 3>of spending public money. This is just a clear statement

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<v Speaker 3>that we in Colorado and we parents and believe in

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<v Speaker 3>school choice for kids, period.

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<v Speaker 1>Joy Overbeck, I appreciate your time today. Hopefully people will

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<v Speaker 1>read Amendment eighty and see clearly that parents are given

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<v Speaker 1>control of their child's education.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you coming on the show today. Joyce Our Joy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Mandy, thank you.