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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Doug Huggin, Jason's college roommate and longtime listener,

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getting ready for another epic episode of Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious? Talk to me goose.

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Speaker 2: So then after I was mugged and beaten before they left,

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they kicked me in the balls, and I thought to

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myself as I watched this movie, Wow, that situation was

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almost as bad as this.

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Speaker 1: He are you in a coffee break?

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Speaker 3: Now, let's podcast this mf R.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shure That You

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Can't Be Serious podcast, where we are joined by our

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friend Graciou's co host Jeff Johnson from the Film By podcast. Jeff,

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how you doing, man.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you how I'm doing. I'm not exactly burning

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doing a neutron dance today. I know what's on the docket.

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Speaker 3: We are going to have to really work hard to

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discuss the good points of Beverly Hills Cop three, the

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movie that we're breaking down today.

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Speaker 2: So guys, we're back again. This is part two of

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our what the heck Happened for twenty twenty four season.

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We've done these a few times. We compared Jaws The

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Revenge to Superman four. We compared Last Action Hero to

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Alien three. This is where we cover movies that are

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not good, and we asked the big question, what the

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heck happened? And never has the question been so immediate

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in my mind as with this particular movie. Now, last

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week we covered Jaws three D. If you've got to

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see the three D Jaws three, if you did unfortunate

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not to see that. Today we're talking about Beverly Hills

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Cop three. And I had not seen Beverly Hills Cop

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three as we concluded our last episode, and now I have,

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and you guys had assured me that it was going

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to be worse than Jaws three, which at that particular

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time I had a very very difficult time believing. But

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let's get into it, talk about it. Figure out which

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one of these two turds stinks more.

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Speaker 1: Oh my Name'saxlolly, I'm learning.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Welcome to the Beverly Hills Police Department. To continue

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this message in English, press one pound. If you have

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homeless people on your lawn, pressed two stars.

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Speaker 2: So what brings you to California? Excellent vacation. I'm looking

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for a killer one. Please, we got some evidence of

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points to.

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Speaker 4: One in the world.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean rufus rabbit has gone to preserve goal. You

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got yourself in the middle of a federal investigation, and

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then I got killed.

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Speaker 1: The police officer killed a friend of mine.

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Speaker 5: You just keep him out of my face and out

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of my park.

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Speaker 4: It is a tremendous price for mister dow Wall to

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have me.

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Speaker 1: Standing right next to him right now.

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Speaker 2: You know, right now, can feel bad. Entangle it.

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Speaker 4: Bring that man down, colrad On the spider, hold on tight, excellent.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, officers, I want this man arrested.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you can explain everything. Maybe you can't explain it.

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Speaker 5: Going back to Detroit.

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Speaker 2: You've got to turn yourself in.

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Speaker 1: Man, why is so hardy? All the see that sudden

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body going on a dead park?

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Speaker 5: Kill him?

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Speaker 2: Bunny?

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Speaker 5: How you doing, Surge right?

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Speaker 4: I'm like dazzled by you and you look you look

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at your skin and your heart.

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Speaker 1: And then finally you have black hash poopies which are

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totally red through which I love you. You put a

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really good package together.

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Speaker 3: The words that I'm longing to hear from you are

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John three is the better movie. I'm just putting that

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Speaker 2: You guys will have to wait, final judgment. Just like

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everybody else listening to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we were listening you know the chat we had

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going just hearing the vitriol coming from you about Beverly

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Hills Cup there. We just couldn't wait to hear you

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say it. And You're like, I'll say it when it's

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time for final judgment. I've been so excited for this.

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Speaker 2: So we are. We're conducting this episode just a day,

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just a day. Oj passed yesterday, right, yep, he did

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well yesterday. That was announced yesterday. Okay, all right, so

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he's passed within the past couple of days, which of

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course brought up lots of gifts and memes of naked

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in the wheelchair and Leslie Nielsen pats him on the

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back and he begins to roll down the stands of

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the baseball field and then there's this obvious dummy body

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that gets launched off the top stands into the baseball park.

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and the chase scene at the beginning of the movie.

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was just absurd. Okay, well let's get into it, right,

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I mean, let's let's quit patty caking around. Let's break

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this thing down. So Beverly Hills Cop Three came out

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in nineteen ninety four. It was the third in a trilogy.

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this summer, I believe. On Netflix we saw the trailer

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for it. Heay, it looks pretty good, right, it looks good.

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Speaker 2: I'm back on board. I'm not willing to say it

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looks good. I'm willing to say that it has potential

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to be good. They definitely have got some action in

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there that was sorely missing from the Beverly Hills Cop

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three movie. As far as the comedy goes, it was

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a swing and a miss, as on the trailer. But

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maybe they're saving the best in the movie. Trying not

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to do spoilers, but I'm holding out judgment till I

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Speaker 3: It looks similar to Beverly Hills Cop two where they lean.

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Speaker 2: D is not going to be happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, but you and I liked it, right, Yeah,

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it's the sophomore goggles. You gotta have them on you

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know we were teena It had everything that a teenager wanted.

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Speaker 2: I agree. Okay, Jeff, I got a question for you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm pitching a movie to you in the summer

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of nineteen ninety three. All right, mister big producer, Jeff Johnson,

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this is what I got for you. I got the

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third in a very successful trilogy, one of the biggest

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movies of nineteen eighty four, which may have been one

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of the best years for movies ever. We've got Eddie

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Murphy in the starring role. We've got John Landis secured

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as the director. Yes, and we've got the writer of

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die Hard.

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Speaker 2: And forty eight Hours and forty eight Hours and The

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Six Million Dollar Man. Let's let's mention the good movies.

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Speaker 3: He's written the script. John Landis is directing. Oh, by

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the way, he directed Eddie Murphy in some of his

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biggest hits, Trading Places and Coming to America. You think

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you green light, and that's when you feel good about it.

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Speaker 1: This is an easy green light because I always see

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his box office gold. This is gonna be like one

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of the number one movies of the summer.

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Speaker 2: Well, they did enlighted it is they and they said,

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we'll give you twenty five million.

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Speaker 3: Dollars and twenty three of it goes to Eddiemurrihy.

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Speaker 2: Right, no, but but fifteen So just even in nineteen

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ninety three money, can you imagine being presented with what

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you've just stated and say we'll give you less than

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double what we're going to pay the star of the

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movie to make your movie. You've got ten million dollars

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to make a movie? Would you be pissed? I would

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be Emil Gibson throwing the ashtray into the wall, like

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what what what are you telling me? Twenty five? Do

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you do? You know the history of this franchise? Even

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Part two, which really wasn't that good, made millions. How

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are you not throwing money at this? Well, there were

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a few things. Number one, Eddie had been in a

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handful three really three movies that were subpar. Now a

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couple of those have gained some cult following since that time.

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not a big deliver, and the Distinguished Gentleman was a bomb.

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it in the theater. I didn't hate it, but I

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was also like, yeah, yeah, I was. I was a teenager,

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so it's fine.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a choice. I had to see that

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because he's playing a character named Jeff Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Right, so.

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Speaker 1: Imagine, imagine my heartbreak. Well, this is an Eddie Murphy

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movie with my name on it, and it's it's not good.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest for a second. The movies that Eddie

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has made since nineteen ninety, which of them are really good?

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Name me a great Eddie Murphy movie. Since okay, I

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won't name you.

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Speaker 1: I won't. We can't name a great one. But Jason,

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you and I discussed The Nutty Professor, which was ninety six.

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Speaker 3: That's probably the biggest one.

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Speaker 2: It's the only one. It's probably the biggest box office.

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remember fair I've seen scenes from it. I have not

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seen the movie, but the scenes that I've seen him like, oh,

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Eddie can do some serious acting, and it was. It

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was decent. And part of the problem with this is

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that he had seen what Denzel Washington and Wesley Snipes

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seriousness in this role. He also still had the infamous

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entourage that went with him everywhere that had gotten a

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three stinker movies and you have a bad rep It

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seems to me that the answer in that equation is

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don't give him fifteen million dollars. Say let's do this movie,

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but you need to take a pay cut and we

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, he's in a slump at this point.

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to cover our bases here. We got to you know,

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fifteen million. No, we're happy to give you nine.

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Speaker 3: So here's the deal. I saw him interviewed on the R.

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he was done with the axle Folly character. And he said,

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Speaker 2: And here we are, No, we did that, they did?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the plot of this movie is Axel. I mean,

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a little thin. He's investigating these guys who are transporting

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arms from a government agency and they're wrapped in Wonderworld

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Speaker 2: Is that what's happening. I don't think that's what happened.

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Speaker 3: They pulled them out of the towels and said wonder World.

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Speaker 2: Right, But if this had been a gun running movie,

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up being counterfeit money? Isn't that what the big pack

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off was? That's true, the most boring crime and in

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Speaker 1: And if we're talking about what brings Axel fully back

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to Beverly Hills, let's be honest, it's the same thing

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that always brings him back to Beverly Hills. Someone has

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I've always known him. But you know, his widow's calling

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him Douglas. So I don't know what's going on here

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but to Todd. Now Todd's dead and he's got to go.

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yelling in the office. He doesn't need to be going

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in with a gun with the bad guys in a warehouse.

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Speaker 1: He also needs to not be neutered. Because I love Todd.

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I'm afraid of him, right right, he is the boss

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that you don't want to piss off. And the second

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one we start taking some leniencies with him. You know,

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he's Axule's doing a lot of stuff and he's like, ah,

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your butt's on the line here, Axel this one. He's

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just like, hey, uh you called off swat. Well, look,

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I'm just here to observe. So right, I'm just gonna

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stand up here, and you're Inspector Todd, Right, what are

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you observing? I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: So I legitimate, I legitimately want to talk to you, guys.

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I want to try to figure out the real answer

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to the question, what the heck happened with this movie? Okay, because,

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as we've pointed out, you have a world class star,

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although he had had three bad movies, but every actor

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in the world has had a few bad movies from

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time to time. That doesn't mean that that when you

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bring a character that's been established in a franchise, that

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that one's going to be bad. They had gone through

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some problems, right when when the studio said we'll give

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you twenty five million dollars, the first drops off the

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list are Simpson and Bruckheimer. They're like, screw you, guys,

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We're not going to be a part of this. Right's ridiculous.

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And they have every right to say that. They are

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still producing incredible movies at this point, and this is

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a slap in the face, so good for them for

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getting out. Joel Silver comes in and he's like, I

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can do this. I can save this movie. I need

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seventy million dollars. No, I need fifty five million dollars,

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like double your budget, and I can do this for you.

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The guy who's brought us the lethal weapons, the predators,

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I mean Diehard, all of that stuff. I mean him

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and Desusa together, perfect combination, that's right. And they say no,

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and he's, well, you know, we'll give you thirty and

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he says, screw you, guys. You don't have any idea

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what you're doing. And he leaves. So they've knocked off

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three of the best producers in the world at that time.

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They go through several scriptory rites before they ever get

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to Desusa. But I mean, still, you've got a top

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notch writer, you have a big time star and a

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big time franchise, and I just want to I want

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to list for you in a row what Landis is doing. Okay,

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you guys ready for this. Yeah, I'll even throw in

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I'll throw in the Kentucky Fred movie. Right, we won't

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throw in his very first extremely low budget schlock movie.

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You will exclude that one, all right, So here we

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are in order, just the movies, not gonna mention videos

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or any other jazz Kentucky Fried movie, National Lampoon's Animal House,

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The Blues Brothers, American Werewolf in London, Trading Places, Twilight Zone,

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Michael Jackson's thriller Into the Night, Spies Like Us, the

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Three Amigo's, Amazon, Women on the Moon, and Coming to America.

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That man was Midas in the areas. He did not

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make a Badger movie, So how the heck did this happen?

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Speaker 1: I feel like one of the big problems here is

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that your star is making one kind of movie and

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your director is making another kind of movie. You know,

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you mentioned that, you know, no one wants to see

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the thirty year old sarcastic cop, and he wants to

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be a little more serious. He wants to show some range.

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He really wants to do like a serious cop action film,

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and he doesn't want the shenanigans that he's already been doing. However, ladist,

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that's exactly what he wants. That's what Paramount wants. That's

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what everybody wants. We want axel Fully to be axle Fully,

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and Eddie has had having a hard time with this,

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and you see it in his performance. He is It's

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not the accel folly that we fell in love with.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty four, I heard John Landis say that

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he thought Eddie Murphy sabotaged the movie. He was intentionally

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choosing to not be funny in the funny parts.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that he's choosing not to be funny.

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I'm gonna say making this movie as the farcical comedy

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that John Landis was making was the wrong choice. Maybe

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Eddie didn't want to do what John Landis was doing,

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but Eddie was right. He was right. He should have

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been more serious what we had at the beginning. I mean,

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just think about the beginning of Beverly Hills Cop One.

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His buddy comes in there having a good time. It's

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a little sad about him getting out of jail and

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he's having a hard time, and then he's executed in

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the apartment building. I mean, it's horrific. And what you

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have is a serious movie with a lead actor who

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is funny at times. That's right, which if you think

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about Diehard, that is exactly what die Hard is, and

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that's what kind of movie. Desuza probably wrote for this,

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but then Landis comes in and I started thinking about this. Yes,

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everything he touched was gold. But which of those movies

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that I listed was an action movie? None?

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Speaker 1: None, actually zero of them.

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Speaker 2: The only action that you see in any of those

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movies that I can think of. I mean, you've got

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the ludicrous end scene of the Three Amigos, of course,

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and you've got the ludicrous Spies like Us action, and

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you've got the ludicrous Blues Brothers action where the car

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flips around and there's the chaos, but it's all of

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the action is for comedic effect. There are no action

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sequences in any of John Landis's movies that are actually exciting,

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which is what action should be bringing to you. You

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should be on the edge of your seat. That's the

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purpose of action. None of John Landis's movies accomplished that.

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What we have instead is OJ Simpson's silly body flying

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in the streets, seeing his rubber head get smashed. We

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have absurd big bullet holes going into cars. We have

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police academy. That's great if that's what the movie should be,

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but Beverly Hills cop movies should not be that. That

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is not how they were established. That is not what

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they should be. You can't take a die hard and

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make it into a naked gun.

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Speaker 1: This movie was doomed from the beginning because we start

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off we see Axel. He's laying out the game plan

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for the other the other officers. We're going to take

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down these guys inside this chop shop. It's looking good,

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even though Inspector Todd's like, you know, I'm right, I'm

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a shell of my former self. But when you go

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inside and you see these arch criminals singing and dancing.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh what, okay, what We already just

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went off the rails and that's like five minutes in.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I had blocked that out of my mind.

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I had forgotten about that. Oh my gosh, Like that

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scene was so long and so painful, buried and my

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song was terrible.

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Speaker 1: The song was terrible. And I bring it up because

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you like, like you said, police Academy, We're in a

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police Academy movie from this point on.

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Speaker 3: By the way, did you recognize the lead guy, the

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lead chop shop guy.

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Speaker 1: I recognized him, but I couldn't place him.

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Speaker 3: He's the bartender in Three Migos. John landis so yeah

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and You also have ali On who gets shot, so

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you have that weird You get the song and dance number.

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Then you have guys who get blown away and killed.

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Speaker 1: But yet their deaths still.

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Speaker 3: Seem particle weird, yeah or tun ish. And then you

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have the bad guy, who should be Hans Gruber or

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Victor Maitland or somebody with real menace looks in the

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back of the of the delivery truck or whatever it

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is like yes, and he gives that over the time

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double fist shed.

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Speaker 2: That guy sucked car salesman? Why did they have him

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play in the villain?

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Speaker 5: Terrible?

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Speaker 2: Terrible?

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Speaker 1: He's terrible? You know what else is terrible?

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Speaker 2: There? You know?

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Speaker 1: Because I don't want to lose this before we get

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off this scene. Any action movie has to have a

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suspension of disbelief a little bit. You look the other

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way on some things, but one thing I can't look

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away from. From the time Axel steals the red sports

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card to tail him the truck with the ludicrous dummy

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he fires. I counted to this because I painfully I

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watched it twice just to make sure I was my

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math was right. He fires thirty two shots from what

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looks like a nine milimeter burretta without reloading.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, and that's.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not even counting the shots that

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he fires inside the chop shop or outside the chop shop,

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just while he's driving and firing thirty two shots without reloading.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's backtrap a tad here. Let's talk about

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what works before.

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Speaker 2: We totally dismantle this movie. Lead us off, bro, I

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know that you asked me this question like a week ago.

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When I watched the movie, I really kept an eye

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out for what works in this movie. Okay, I got

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nothing nothing, I have zero nothing. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow does the writing work?

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Speaker 2: Nope? Does the directing work? No?

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Speaker 3: How about the acting? How about the music?

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Speaker 2: Negative? Yeah? How at the stunts? Oh well okay yeah,

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come on, okay, So let me let me say this,

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because there were a couple of times that it went hey,

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and then it went or I went what is Well?

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That was good, but so one of the times I

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was like, hey, it was the cameo of George Lucas.

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I'm like, okay, we got at least we got George,

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But what a total waste. It wasn't funny. There was

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had didn't move the plot along I mean, if you're

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gonna have George Lucas in there, have him get shot,

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or have him, you know, have him kick somebody's butt,

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do something.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, Hey, that's not there maintenance.

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Speaker 5: I gotta go free the chain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, jayasam sorry, come on, let's go you know, have

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him make a wise crack as he walks through. But

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I mean literally, he's like, this sucks, I'm gonna go home.

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I mean it was just like what So it didn't

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make it to the positive column. And then the stunts.

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I was too distracted by the fact that I was going,

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why the heck is he doing this? Before I finally went, well,

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they got a good stunt guy to do this stuff,

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but it's completely pointless. So I can't put that in

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the positive call me either.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I did write down that George Lucas's cameo

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was a positive, but I also agree with you he

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did nothing. It would have been funny if he'd have

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said something like this place doesn't have a Star Wars ride.

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Let's go home? Yeah yeah, poke fun at yourself in some.

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Speaker 2: Way, Yes, that would have made the positive column for me.

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If he'd just said that line right.

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Speaker 3: There, I'm for hire. I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have George Lucas in what worked

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or what didn't work? He was he was Switzerland at

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this point. But d just won me over to the

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fact that he doesn't work, because just from his performance,

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you would assume he's just stopping by the set to

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visit Landis maybe, and Landa says, oh, come on, just

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jump in front of the camera for a minute, because a

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star any kind of Star Wars joke would have been,

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or an American graffiti joke, anything would have would have

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just killed as opposed to what he did.

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Speaker 2: Say. Sure, there are no less than five cameos in

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this movie. Did you know that I knew about George

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Lucas John Singleton's in the movie. I didn't catch him

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Joe Daunte.

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Speaker 1: Single Wait wait director John Singleton, Yeah, I mean I

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don't know. I don't know where he is because it

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was an absolute waste of a cameo. But literally, like

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there are there are a handful of cameos in this movie.

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I was able to catch George Lucas and that was it.

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The rest of them were even a bigger waste than him.

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Why didn't we get a cameo from Taggart or Bogomil.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you about Bogomil okay, because Cox read

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the script and they asked him why he wasn't in

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the movie, and he said, because I read the script.

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John Ashton was initially on but then had quote unquote

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scheduling conflicts and didn't make it. My guess is he

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also read the script.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, while we're on that topic, is it too soon

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to talk about what this movie could have been like

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based on some of the scripts.

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Speaker 2: I'm waiting to hear you guys tell me what I missed,

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00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,440
which is what works in the movie.

472
00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 3: Jeff, Lets tell us. We'll say that and then what

473
00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:49,279
could have been all Right?

474
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: I can feel D's eyes on me here because uh

475
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,839
now he's gonna be like, no, that didn't work. But

476
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,599
for once, I feel that Murphy had had a chance

477
00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:00,759
to have some good chemistry with a female character. And

478
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,039
Teresa Randall I didn't. I did like her. I know

479
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:06,720
why you're laughing.

480
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,559
Speaker 2: You're gettings bringing this up. You know that TIX thread

481
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,200
last night he talks about almost kissing Robin Gibbons and

482
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,640
and Jason's like, except that that's not Robin Gibbons and

483
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,799
He's like what, and I'm like, he's right, that's not

484
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,880
Robin Gibbons, and like, oh my gosh, it's not. It

485
00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:27,799
was the what we call it, the great value.

486
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, for years, I've always known Robin Gibbons as sitcom

487
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,240
head of the class, Mike Tyson, Beverly Hills, Cop three.

488
00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:39,240
You know, a couple of couple of bad decisions there,

489
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,039
and then you guys are like, next, no, that don't

490
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:43,160
put this on Robin Gibbons.

491
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:45,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

492
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: No, I did think the chemistry between Folly and you know,

493
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,359
I don't remember Teresa Randall's characters name.

494
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 3: Problem, but yeah, yeah, I liked.

495
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: I liked I liked the interactions. And maybe that was

496
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,960
because of Murphy trying not to be the clown and

497
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,079
trying to be a little more Denzel, as as D

498
00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:03,400
was pointing out, But I thought I thought their chemistry

499
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,200
was good. I was. I was buying into it. Another

500
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,759
thing I liked. Uh, you know, we talked about the stunts,

501
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,720
you know, the action. I did enjoy fully going out

502
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:12,839
on the spider ride and trying to say and you know,

503
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,640
not trying he did he does save the kids as

504
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,000
still ridiculous, obviously, it's it's it's a little more for

505
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,119
fetching him hanging off the back of a truck in

506
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,079
a high speed chase, but it was nice to see

507
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,839
him doing something again.

508
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: I'll say, can I jump in on that right there?

509
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: Please?

510
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 3: That's on my that's on my good list, right Okay?

511
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,440
Stunts and which we know John Landis has a history

512
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:39,400
of being a stunt manh yeah, that's a painful. But

513
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:46,519
the stunts on the Spider were really good, jumping from

514
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:50,480
car to car, but also totally unnecessary, which we talked about,

515
00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:54,559
and then intermixed with that he's rescuing kids, which he's

516
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,480
one arm holding a piece of rope that's you know,

517
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:58,519
a quarter of an inch thick.

518
00:24:58,559 --> 00:24:59,839
Speaker 2: They would just like slice his.

519
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: Hands and a half and then they got into this

520
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,319
predicament because the stupid bad guys are like, bring that

521
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,039
guy down, like he'll be down in thirty seconds.

522
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,839
Speaker 1: No, bring him down now now.

523
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

524
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: So I did think the stunts worked, although it was

525
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,839
ridiculous to get to that point.

526
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: I diep going. I did not watch the movie twice, shockingly,

527
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:21,920
I know, did you watch the movie twice? Yes, yes

528
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,799
I did, And you said, Jeff, you said you watched

529
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,359
it twice to count how many times he shot the

530
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,279
gun while he was doing the car chase. Right, Yeah,

531
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:30,839
I feel like he could say I watched it twice.

532
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:35,720
If if I had watched it twice, my counting would

533
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,319
have been how many times you saw the interworkings of

534
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,680
the ferris wheel gears intercut with the action? Because yep,

535
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,240
I was like, guys, can you spoon feed it to

536
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,359
us anymore? We get it? You could have done the

537
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,079
sparks on the control panel. We wouldn't have. But it

538
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,279
was like Wiley Coyote and his acme machine. How many

539
00:25:55,319 --> 00:26:00,599
shots of the gears popping, squeaking, breaking we need to

540
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,839
see to understand something's going wrong? Keep going, Jeff, good stuff.

541
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: I've only got one more, sadly, oh wow, And you

542
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,759
know I would. I would. I would want to put

543
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:13,319
this in in D's cameo list, but I know we're

544
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,920
not counting him as a cameo. But I love anytime

545
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,240
we get a chance, and typically it's the eighties in

546
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,240
the nineties when he was he was doing his best work.

547
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,680
But at the beginning we get a quick shot of

548
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,359
actor slash stuntman extraordinariyor al Leong who dies in the

549
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,960
chop shop. You know, mister mister Indo is in here,

550
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,119
so it was not like I saw him, was like,

551
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:33,960
nice to see you.

552
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: Another total waste.

553
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely a waste of his is killed

554
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:40,920
and then he shoots red pain on his face. He

555
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,720
didn't take an ice cream cone of the head, So

556
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,960
I guess, I guess that's true that death was worse.

557
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:48,839
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's all you got in a good column.

558
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: Really, that's all I got, you know, And I'm I

559
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,400
was reaching if i'm if I'm being honest.

560
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: Can I add a couple more to it?

561
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: And then absolutely, yeah we got okay, yeah, all right,

562
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:01,680
so I've got the stunts. I've got Judge Reinhold. I

563
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,920
think Judge Reinhold is the only guy that's really trying

564
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,440
to do anything to uplift this movie.

565
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:07,799
Speaker 2: Now, does he do it?

566
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: No?

567
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,839
Speaker 2: Does he get it?

568
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:15,559
Speaker 3: No, he's trying, He's trying his best, you know.

569
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Going back to our chat, our text thread, I think

570
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:21,559
I said something along lines of I really feel sad

571
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:24,279
for Judge Reinhold because he's in this I mean the

572
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:30,119
cartoony job title that he has at js IOC. There

573
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,279
you go, It's like, come on, get let him, let

574
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,400
him be a hero, or let him, let him play

575
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,640
the fun billy that we like, don't do this to him.

576
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,079
Speaker 2: Though. The worst of it is the scene that should

577
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,160
be the saddest where he gets shot. We should be

578
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,839
at that moment, we should be devastated and like, oh

579
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,160
my gosh, did they just kill Rosewood. We should be flabbergasted,

580
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,400
except that he has him blown back and his arms

581
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,519
and legs flail out on a spread eagle, and he

582
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:01,160
looks like mister Magoo with his face. It's he is

583
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,319
the cartoon buffoon in the time. That should be the

584
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:06,440
most meaningful shot in the movie.

585
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: I completely forgot what happened to him at the end

586
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,759
of this film. And when Foley is sitting there with

587
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Hector and they've both been shot, and then Billy stumbles

588
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,200
out and he is just bloody mess and he's not

589
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,960
smiling and he kind of falls. I was like, wait,

590
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,640
they didn't kill Billy, did they. And then you see

591
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,400
the other you see Axel like, oh, he's gonna need

592
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,079
the hospital, and they're like laughing at him, like, hey man,

593
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,079
you're one of your closest friends just stumbled out covered

594
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,079
in blood and he's been shot the pieces and he

595
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,680
just collapsed, and you guys are just sitting there laughing

596
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,079
at him.

597
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,839
Speaker 3: All right, I got two more things that work ready, right,

598
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:44,799
I got Billy's drink, the giant blue thing.

599
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: That's Billy.

600
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is Billy. Right, excuse me? Three things I thought?

601
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:50,119
I thought?

602
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: Axel in the Oki Doki mascot character had a couple

603
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,759
of funny moments when the kid punches him in the

604
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,440
nuts and he calls the little kid a little mf

605
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,480
or That cracked me up.

606
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,279
Speaker 1: Listen, kid, I'm Oki Doki and I changed the steps.

607
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:03,119
You got a problem with that?

608
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,799
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be nice to me no matter what

609
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:17,119
I do. And then John Landis sporadically throws in impossibly

610
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,160
beautiful women all over the place. Anytime I go to

611
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,079
a musement park, it's moms that should wear long pants.

612
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,039
Other than that, it's time for the bad list.

613
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna throw this out there. The couple

614
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,319
of the cameos that you might have missed Okster was

615
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,240
Al Green Okay music artist. We already mentioned John Singleton.

616
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,039
He played a fireman. Martha Coolidge is in it. Did

617
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,079
you guys know that? Oh no, she's one of the

618
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:47,480
security people. Again, a completely missed opportunity. But Martha, in

619
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,480
case our listeners don't know, Martha Coolidge, real genius Valley girl.

620
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,200
I mean, she's a well known director.

621
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,839
Speaker 3: They'll get tickets to six Lags for doing this.

622
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,039
Speaker 2: I guess I don't even know.

623
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So let's deconstruct this movie. What is wrong with

624
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,440
this movie from a big picture?

625
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,119
Speaker 2: Okay? So I really really did struggle try to figure out, like,

626
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,839
because I've seen Quentin Tarantino talk about how when he

627
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,000
was about to become a director, when he was about

628
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,319
to direct his first movie, he got to be a

629
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,720
part of the Sundance Film Festival, like the grooming of

630
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,960
directors thing that they do, right, which means he sat

631
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:24,359
with world famous directors and I don't remember who he

632
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,960
sat with, but basically his concern was he had seen

633
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,920
really bad movies and he had seen really good movies,

634
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,160
and he couldn't really you know, he didn't have it

635
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,119
within him to go, how do I know I'm not

636
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,039
making one of these bad movies instead of these good movies.

637
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,720
And we would think at this stage John Landis would

638
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,680
know the difference, right, Yeah, right, But what the direct

639
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,640
whoever His mentor was was like, you don't have to

640
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,000
worry about that. You are going to be paired up

641
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,039
with cinematographers who know what they're doing, gaffers and set

642
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:59,839
designers and production managers and all of these people. They

643
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,759
have to trust them to do their job right, and

644
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,799
you do your job and you don't have to worry

645
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,599
about the rest. And so I know what I know

646
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,119
about John Landis, and I'm looking, I'm going where did

647
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:13,480
the cinematographer go wrong? Where did the production design go wrong?

648
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Where did the editing go wrong? And I can tell

649
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,720
you that I see problems in all of those features. Right,

650
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,160
we've already identified that this is a die hard movie

651
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,160
that they tried to make into a police Academy movie,

652
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,240
which is big fail for the director, right, there's no question.

653
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,200
But even that shouldn't have been the death knoll that

654
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,440
it is for this movie. But if you look at

655
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,839
the framing and the shot choices in this movie, if

656
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,839
this is John Landis making these decisions, he has absolutely

657
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,920
lost his touch at this moment and he doesn't ever

658
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,480
get it back. If it's he's relying on the cinematographer,

659
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,960
then let me look at the cinematographer. Oh yeah, he

660
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,480
hasn't done anything worth a flip in his entire life

661
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,480
that wasn't somehow associated with John Lannis. Same thing for

662
00:31:54,519 --> 00:32:01,319
the editor. They are sub quality producers of their craft. Editor, cinematographer,

663
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,480
production designer, all subquality. So I think you do you

664
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,799
put the subquality characters of a core group in with

665
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:14,039
a director who has one vision that is completely antithesis

666
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,839
to the stars vision and the writer's vision. It's a

667
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,759
recipe for disaster.

668
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: Jeff, what went wrong for you?

669
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: What he said was spectacular and it's absolutely true. It's

670
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,160
a lot of what's wrong with this film. Me personally,

671
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,039
when I watch this, I think I gotta lay some

672
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,880
blame on on Eddie Murphy, because you are the star

673
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,119
of the franchise. You have fifteen million dollars in your

674
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,200
bank account to do this one, and you don't want

675
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,000
to play ball. You're wanting to make a different kind

676
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
of movie from everyone else. And I understand. You know,

677
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,400
there should have been a compromise because, as d pointed out,

678
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,880
doing this John Landis's Full Full Way would not have

679
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,440
been a fun movie, wouldn't have been good Beverly Hills

680
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,960
cop movie at all. But you gotta find a compromise there.

681
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,960
And for me, when I'm watching this, I think one

682
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,720
of the biggest laughs I got, one of the only

683
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,480
laughs I got, was probably probably when we see Bronson

684
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:04,559
pinshow the.

685
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Art gallery is completely bankrupt in the toilet Why because

686
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,319
we had an owner who was obstinate and stupid and ignorant.

687
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,599
You shot him, remember you.

688
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,039
Speaker 1: Remember, yes, I shot what are you doing there?

689
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing guns coming, look coming.

690
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: Look, show up and you know, do the whole thing

691
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,160
with surge and and it was just him giving us

692
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,680
the line that he's always that. He gave us some

693
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,200
Beverly Hills cop one. You know when we got it

694
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:32,400
what you know he was. I found myself smiling. I

695
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,400
was like, Okay, he's trying, you know at least, but

696
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,920
you know, Eddie Murphy, I get it. He's coming off

697
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
a string of flops. And you know, stories from the

698
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,000
sets said that he was really depressed and he wasn't

699
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,799
happy with the direction of what was going. I know

700
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:46,240
there's that history with him Atlantis.

701
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: So I just.

702
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: Feel like Eddie was a big problem, part of the problem,

703
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,759
but Landis owns half of it because he probably shouldn't

704
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,039
have been paired up. You know, if you know that

705
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:56,359
this is a toxic relationship, right, why are we even

706
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,359
talking to Lantis?

707
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:57,759
Speaker 2: You know?

708
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,519
Speaker 1: And you've you've d how many direct do we have

709
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,720
in this doing cameos? Like one of them wasn't available?

710
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,839
Take the helm. That's where I land with it. I've

711
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,000
got I got plenty of nitpicks. But if we're talking

712
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,519
big picture stuff, that's it's it's it's the relationship between

713
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,159
Murphy and landis that that's sunk this.

714
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,639
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the guy that just says

715
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,440
bad job cinematographer. So I'm glad you brought up the

716
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:25,440
surge scene. Serge. Why do you say it's serge? Sounds

717
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,679
like a right? Okay, yeah, one funny line, right, So

718
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,800
just in that scene alone, I'm like, here is a

719
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,639
part of the movie that could actually be funny and

720
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,719
play funny. And what we're getting from our cinematographer is

721
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,159
three quarter close up followed by a reaction shot three

722
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,320
quarter close up, by another reaction shot three quarter close up,

723
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,559
rotating as though we were watching a soap opera. I mean,

724
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,880
give me every third shot, give me a three shot,

725
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,639
give me a two shot. But no, it's it is

726
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,440
Eddie Murphy three quarter shot ronson Pinchot, three quarter shot Judge,

727
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,679
try and hold three quarter shot over and over and

728
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400
over again, and never them all three in the same

729
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,480
shot or two of them in the same shot. And

730
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,800
I'm like, these are guys who went to their trailer

731
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,800
during the scene and one at a time did their scenes,

732
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,880
and we never get to see them together. It is

733
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,320
a failure of cinematography and a failure of directing.

734
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: Back to Murphy, Murphy shot the coverage that they needed

735
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,800
for him and Landis minudstandings. Landis stood in for him

736
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,320
so that Serge had someone to talk to and face

737
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:27,639
off with.

738
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: I think you're dead on, Jeff. I think the toxic

739
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,400
relationship between Landis and Murphy is the sickness.

740
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,559
Speaker 2: That infected this movie. Right.

741
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy famously said in Rolling Stone magazine that Vic

742
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,599
Morrow would work with John Landis before he did.

743
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,159
Speaker 1: Again, that's cold.

744
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: Blooded thing to say, Sue, That is cold.

745
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: What do you think, Jason, What's what's your take on

746
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,320
on where I went wrong? Well?

747
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,639
Speaker 3: I think that they got the tone wrong right. De

748
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,239
talked about how this is a police academy feel original.

749
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:01,880
Even Part two was a gritty police drama that a

750
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,800
funny guy just stumbles into the action was real. There

751
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,119
were real consequences to bullets and car crashes. I think

752
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,000
back to that moment in the end of Beverly Hills

753
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,320
Cop when they've captured Axel and he's looking at Victor

754
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,639
Maitland and he said, if anything happens to her, and

755
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,840
then the bad guy leans in is like, I'm all ears,

756
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960
you know. He said, I'll kill you. And that's a

757
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:31,039
that's a real mono emano with real malice moment. And

758
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,400
in this you've got Oki dokie dance and you've got

759
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,840
stupid bad guy and just ridiculousness. You have no meaningful

760
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:44,480
malice or consequences of any sort in this movie.

761
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:49,559
Speaker 2: Victor's reaction to that sequence, that would be a neat trick, right,

762
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,440
it's just as mincing. You've got two guys who are

763
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,679
badasses who are facing off, and that's awesome. You take

764
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,119
the auxiliary scene from Beverly Hills Cop three, it's the

765
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:03,880
guy getting the award at the podium and actual crashing

766
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,199
the show and then one comment one comment about killing

767
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,360
his friend or whatever, and they start wrestling around and

768
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,559
punching each other like the Stay three Stooges.

769
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and this is the third time we saw him,

770
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,760
you know, have to be pulled off of the head

771
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,239
security guy. Which, while we're talking about it, you've got

772
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000
John Saxon in this movie. Why are you wasting him?

773
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,000
If we know that he's one of the bad guys

774
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,599
and he's the boss of the killer Inspector todd S Killer,

775
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,679
why aren't we using Saxon right a lot more?

776
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: He does nothing nothing. Okay, I got another thing that

777
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,920
I think was bad, but I don't quite know how

778
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,920
to fix it. Okay, so this is a nineteen ninety

779
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,039
four movie. They don't have the rock and roll soundtrack

780
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,719
of the first two movies. There's no video that goes

781
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,199
along with it. There's no hit song. You do have

782
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,599
an Inxcess song that I think is pretty good, but

783
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,159
I don't really remember it being popular or anything, or.

784
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: I think the only two times I've heard that Inxcess

785
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,519
song are the two times I've watched the movie. Right,

786
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:03,280
It's kind of hidden in the movie, honestly.

787
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: Right.

788
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: And then you have the great value version of axel

789
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:19,400
f It's cringe worthy. Nile Rogers not a nobody. This

790
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,559
guy produced Duran Duran. He made this soundtrack for Coming

791
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:26,000
to America. I mean, he's a successful guy. Miss badly

792
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:26,760
on the music.

793
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: But again, I'm gonna kind of lay that off on

794
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,280
the production company. They were trying to make a kid movie,

795
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,199
and I guarantee that they pulled him in and they said,

796
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,199
we want this to sound more like a Chuck Jones soundtrack.

797
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: It really does play as a kid movie.

798
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, with f wards, Yeah, yeah, absolutely it does and

799
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,800
exploding squibs and dead bodies and when.

800
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: You get shot, you get launched back fifteen feet right,

801
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:54,679
having a handgun. But we haven't even mentioned the Annihilator

802
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,239
two thousand, the boombox bazooka.

803
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: I was hoping not to.

804
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: Ronson pin shows Surge. Surge actually has the funniest part

805
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,320
of the movie, which is a problem when you pay

806
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,840
Eddie Murphy fifteen million dollars to be the Stone, but

807
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,079
then he's selling a machine gun missile shooting.

808
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: What how do you go from making drinks for people

809
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,000
in an art gallery to selling the warfare that he

810
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,000
has in this little this booth, these designer guns.

811
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:30,199
Speaker 2: That he has, high end warfare.

812
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.

813
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:34,639
Speaker 3: I got one other thing that stood out to me,

814
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,800
and I literally as I watched this for the second

815
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,880
time this week, I said, what are they thinking? So

816
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:44,199
Eddie Murphy shows up at his hotel or wherever he's staying,

817
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,280
I don't even really know. And there's Uncle Dave. Uncle

818
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,360
Dave who is you know, the Walt Disney character. So

819
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,159
Walt Disney shows up to basically say, our Coo has

820
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:59,800
been missing for weeks. What in the halfway through the

821
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,400
movie we would find out the Coe is missing? I

822
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,639
don't think we ever see him again?

823
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: What happened to him?

824
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,199
Speaker 2: He gets shot? Uncle Das he's a plot point, we

825
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,960
have to fall in love with him in that scene,

826
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,760
despite the ridiculousness of whatever plot point he's bringing. We

827
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,719
have to know that he is actually a good guy.

828
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,199
He's not a bad guy Uncle Dave. By the way,

829
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:22,119
I know I texted you guys, But for our listeners,

830
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:23,119
do you know who Uncle Davis?

831
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: You told me.

832
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:30,199
Speaker 2: I didn't know. It's wilber Off of the Spread.

833
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,199
Speaker 1: And like I told you, I know him as the

834
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,400
voice of Scrooge McDuck is. He's the one guy who's

835
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,760
done more Scrooge McDuck work than anyone else. He did

836
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,679
Duck Tails he did Mickey's Christmas Carol. Watching that, I

837
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,559
was like, you could sort of hear a little Screwge

838
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,320
McDuck in his voice every now and then.

839
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,599
Speaker 2: His original version of that accent, as far as I know,

840
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:57,039
is on the time Machine, the original like nineteen sixties

841
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,360
time Machine. He's the guy who kind of has the

842
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,480
closing model and he's got a Scottish accent in that

843
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:02,000
one as well.

844
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Uncle Dave's shooting real quick, please,

845
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,679
because we really led to believe that he's shot. And

846
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,679
then within minutes of being at you know, you know,

847
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:14,519
actual takes him to the hospital. I don't know who

848
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,559
stripped him, by the way, but he's, you know, he's

849
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,320
heading in, you know, gunshot wound and he's you know,

850
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:24,880
without his shoes, his shirt, everything. But then like within minutes,

851
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,440
all of LA knows that Uncle Dave has been shot.

852
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:28,760
This is nineteen ninety four.

853
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,039
Speaker 2: Hippa did not exist in nineteen I guess not. Because

854
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,639
somebody famous comes into the hospital. The nurse is on

855
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,719
the horn.

856
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: Right, I was like, do you hear Uncle Dave got shot? Like,

857
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,639
you know, we got the racist cops who you know,

858
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,000
I mean, Eddie Murphy just you know, acxual just ask

859
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:45,960
him where the coffee machine is and then they're like,

860
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:48,280
oh yeah, They're like he was shot black man, shot

861
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,639
Uncle Dave. Yeah, see the only black man in Beverly.

862
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Hills at this point, come on like okay, yeah. Oh,

863
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,639
by the way, there's another failure. Did any of this

864
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,599
movie look like Beverly Hills to you guys?

865
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,039
Speaker 5: No?

866
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: Not once? No, not once.

867
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,559
Speaker 2: And they were actually outside of the Beverly Hills Police station.

868
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,880
But I don't want to see the real Beverly Hills

869
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,800
police station. I want to see Tony Scott or Martin

870
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,239
Brest version, the high end, hoity toity police station. That's

871
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,280
what I want to see. Don't give me the real one.

872
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because he shows up to that box

873
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,960
and all of a sudden, like is this the police

874
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,480
department from Last Action Hero or is this actually Beverly

875
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:31,239
Hills cop for English press one for this you know,

876
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:34,320
it's like, yeah, i'd seen bug the crap out of

877
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,840
me too, because we know Axel is extremely intelligent, he's

878
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,320
very competent, he's never over his head, and he couldn't

879
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,320
figure out how to.

880
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,119
Speaker 3: Communicate with I need to talk early, not Detective Rosewood

881
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:47,400
and he gets out of his car and he just

882
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,280
leaves a part there.

883
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:48,559
Speaker 2: You know.

884
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 3: The other thing I wanted to mention that I think

885
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,159
this movie really suffers from is you don't have the

886
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:58,000
Abbott and Costello or Laurel and Hardy between Taggart and Rosewood,

887
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,320
and you don't have the heavy to kind of press

888
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,400
back against Eddie Murphy's shenanigans.

889
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,639
Speaker 1: You don't because I mean, remember Taggart was was in

890
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:11,000
the original script, and when you know, when he when

891
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000
he passes on this, Hector Alonzo just comes in. I

892
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,960
know they said they they rewrote it for him, but

893
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,480
watch well, let's not watch it a third time, but

894
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:25,159
think back to Hector Alonso because he is basically he's taggered,

895
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,039
but he's not. Yeah, but it's like when you know, hey,

896
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,320
there's a shooting suspect that Wonderland and we were in

897
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,840
Hector Alonzo's car, He's like, fully, you know, I was like,

898
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
you don't even know fully, you just met him ten

899
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,400
minutes ago. I hated that they couldn't at least let

900
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,119
Hector Alonzo be a different character.

901
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So my theory on a possibility here is that

902
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,280
they spent so much money on what was that ride?

903
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,000
The Alien attack? Is that what it was called?

904
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: Attack?

905
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,639
Speaker 2: Alien Attack? They blew their entire ten million dollars that

906
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,280
was left over. They blew nine one point nine million

907
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,239
dollars of it on that scene. And that's why they

908
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,360
couldn't afford a decent cinematographer, editor, or set designer.

909
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: D Can I blow your mind for a second? Sure

910
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,719
that ride actually exists? That's a real ride. I tell you.

911
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,559
I can tell you this because I wrote it, and

912
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:18,320
it's awesome.

913
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: You've been on that ride.

914
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: I have been on that ride now where.

915
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,119
Speaker 2: The truck comes coming down out of the hole, the

916
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,119
full waters come down the stairway.

917
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: Oh, it's intense.

918
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cylons attack you.

919
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: No, okay, So this is where this is where we

920
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,760
go to. We veer from a what's real and what's

921
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,039
what's in the movie? The movie has they call the

922
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,320
ride Ailien Attack, and let's basically it's just it's this

923
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,400
really intense moment where you know you basically are in

924
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,760
an earthquake, but we have Sylons from Battlestar Galactica just

925
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,599
shooting lasers for no apparent reason.

926
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

927
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Do you remember the seventies disaster film Earthquake with Charlton Heston. Yeah,

928
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,280
hey kay, yeah, I rode this ride at Universal Studios

929
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,000
twenty years go and it's the Earthquake wid So you

930
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,519
get on this little tram and it's because it's Universal Studios,

931
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,920
you're just supposed to be like going to see the

932
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,559
park and when you're in this subway they freak out.

933
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,039
They're like, we were experiencing a quake. And I mean,

934
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,960
the what you saw in the movie is authentic. The

935
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,840
ground just crushes and crumbles. This big gas truck comes

936
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,079
falling down and it's like gets right up on you steam.

937
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,360
Then the flood starts. It's awesome. I hope it's still

938
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:29,639
still there. This is like the Heyday where you know

939
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:34,280
you could ride the et ride King Kong Backdraft Terminator two.

940
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,480
Earthquake was one of the best ones they had, all right, Jeff,

941
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,440
So we've beat up on this movie quite a little bit.

942
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: How could we have corrected this? What could this have been?

943
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,400
I think there's a lot of ways you could have

944
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,000
corrected it.

945
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: But let's just talk for a quick minute about what

946
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,920
could have been With some of the different scripts. Do

947
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,800
you mentioned at the beginning, we went through several rewrites.

948
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,760
So I just just for the listeners, let's let's talk

949
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,800
about the ideas that that all got shut down. Okay.

950
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,199
Initially we had a plot where Taggart and Billy and

951
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,079
Fully had to go rescue Bogomil because he is being

952
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:12,280
held hostage in London. Okay, and this is the one

953
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,599
that everyone was like this, we're on board, but production

954
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:19,599
delays and arguing over salaries, a lot of stuff goes wrong.

955
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,320
Ultimately roddy Cox has to has to bail on it

956
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,320
and John Ashton have to bail on it, so that

957
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,159
one goes away. But we love the idea of the

958
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,880
fish shot of water story just going to a different,

959
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,480
different area. So there were two other There were two

960
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:36,639
other stories that had Axel going to London. One of

961
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:40,800
them had him teaming up with Sean Connery from Scotland Yard,

962
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,480
which whoa that could have been kind of fun, I think, right,

963
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,079
and that one apparently, uh you know, got a lot

964
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,800
of steam. But then I guess Connery wasn't wasn't too

965
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,760
keen on it. Famous screenwriter Robert Town wrote a draft

966
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,960
where Axel has to deal with his celebrity status. It

967
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,679
would make sense that a guy that does this kind

968
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:01,400
of stuff, like he's in the news, he's the he's

969
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,840
in the papers. That got shut down quickly. There was

970
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,960
one last idea for London where the villain was going

971
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,599
to be based off the Cray Brothers, and I don't

972
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,039
know if you ever saw that Tom Hardy movie. They

973
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:14,880
were famous gangsters in London in the sixties. But the

974
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,639
idea was that they got captured in Detroit and Jeffrey

975
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,480
was responsible for getting them back to London. Their henchmen

976
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,920
killed Jeffrey. Q Axel going to London to solve the murderer,

977
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,800
you know who killed Jeffrey, because that's again one of

978
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,039
my friends got shot.

979
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,639
Speaker 2: Jeffrey was Paul Reiser's character. Correct Paul Reiser's character, Okay.

980
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: And at that point he was supposed to team up

981
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,239
with someone from Scotland Yard who was they were looking

982
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,280
at John Cleese. So John Clees and Eddie Mellandy great

983
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,639
teaming up to find Jeffrey's killer in London. That would

984
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,199
have been fantastic as well, But we didn't get any

985
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,079
of those and ultimately Paramount said let's go to the

986
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:50,559
theme park.

987
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: So you're saying that one of those ideas would have

988
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,039
fixed the movie.

989
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: I think one of those ideas would have been better

990
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,440
than what we got.

991
00:47:56,639 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: Well, you know that's as I mentioned before, being mugged

992
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,920
and kicked in the balls would have been well.

993
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,519
Speaker 1: That's true. I want to live in a world where

994
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Axel transfers. Like we catch up with him and he

995
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:11,000
is a Beverly He's a Beverly Hills cop. He has transferred,

996
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:13,440
so now he has a headache for Taggart and Bokemo

997
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:16,760
he's you know, Billy loves him. And then this thing

998
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,840
happens and they gotta go to they gotta go to London.

999
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,039
Speaker 3: Did you guys hear about the Beverly Hills Cop TV show? Yeah,

1000
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,880
that they actually shot a pilot for whoa Yeah, I

1001
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,559
gotta had the guy from Tropic Thunder.

1002
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah people that guy, Oh, okay.

1003
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: That guy.

1004
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,039
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1005
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,679
Speaker 3: Apparently it was supposed to be Axel Foley's son, and

1006
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,519
Eddie was supposed to come back for the pilot and

1007
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:42,639
kind of kick it off and turn it over to him.

1008
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,199
Speaker 2: He was the chief. Axel Foley had had taken the

1009
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,960
chief spot, but he was. He was there for the pilot.

1010
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,079
But the studio were like, okay, well you got to

1011
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,480
be a recurring character, and he was like, wait.

1012
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: Just past the torch. I would have watched al Pacino, Alpachino.

1013
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:03,079
That is, uh, plant Axle follies all Junior. I'm guessing

1014
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:03,840
that would have been fun.

1015
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah my fix for the movie. Yeah, I would think

1016
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,920
it would have been great if we would have had

1017
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,599
Beverly Hills Cop Crocodile Dundee crossover. What do you guys

1018
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:13,360
think about that?

1019
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: I read about that. Who was it that that suggested that?

1020
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,679
And and Murphy was like, absolutely not. I don't remember

1021
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,440
who it was it was.

1022
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,679
Speaker 2: That was at least as far as all of that goes,

1023
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,239
that was a right decision. I feel like that was

1024
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,960
something that the production companies were pushing for. That that

1025
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,480
Eddie Murphy was right and standing his ground and saying,

1026
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:36,679
no freaking way am I going to do that? How

1027
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,559
about this idea?

1028
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: How about Riggs Murta and gets No, no.

1029
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,119
Speaker 2: No, we do that is that is lame ass happy

1030
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,679
days bull crap. You do not do that with an

1031
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,599
established franchise. No no, no.

1032
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: No, no, no no crossovers for you, d no, sir, No,

1033
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:02,639
all right, I can say this.

1034
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,159
Speaker 2: They wanted to shoot Jeffrey, right, They wanted to shoot

1035
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:08,119
Paul Riser and I would have been at the theater.

1036
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:10,239
I would have been like, Okay, we're going to shoot

1037
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,039
a guy again. This is really our this is really

1038
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:14,239
our hook.

1039
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,199
Speaker 1: Every single movie, every single time.

1040
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: And we can we try something else. So the kidnapping idea,

1041
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:23,599
that sounds like a good and who in my mind,

1042
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,000
who better to kidnap than Judge Reinoldt because you fear

1043
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,760
for him, because you love him, he's a big teddy bear. Yeah.

1044
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,480
And so you have Axel Foley having to really team

1045
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:38,320
up with Taggart where their pion together. They're now playing

1046
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,760
the married couple, right, they're now playing the Abbott and

1047
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,480
Costello part. I could see that they play off each

1048
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:47,000
other for comedy. We have a vested interest in rescuing Billy.

1049
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,559
That seems to me to be a much better lot

1050
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,199
scenario than what we got. But what we got we

1051
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,800
ended up back with, Well, let's shoot a guy and

1052
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,760
have him go try to investigate Jason.

1053
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: If we could jump into your delor and take d

1054
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:04,679
back to Paramount in nineteen ninety three, I think the

1055
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,880
serioushit you're gonna see is an amazing Beverly Hills cop

1056
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,440
three film. You know, screenplay by James D. Graves because

1057
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:13,960
I would love to see that movie.

1058
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:15,159
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's get into it.

1059
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 3: The moment has arrived for final judgment, your last, Jeff,

1060
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,400
you're first.

1061
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: I'm shocked to say I would happily watch Jaws three

1062
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,960
D every day of the week if it meant avoiding

1063
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,599
watching this once a week. This one way better than

1064
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,360
Beverly Hills Cup three. Jaws three over Beverly Hills Cup three.

1065
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,920
That's my that's my final judgment.

1066
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: Okay, how about you. Well, let me put you on

1067
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,400
the spot real quick. I got I want to ask

1068
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:45,320
this question. Rank the following six movies. Joss four, Superman four,

1069
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,840
Alien three, Last Action Hero, Jaws three, Beverly Hills Cup three.

1070
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:53,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go first to worst, Jaws Revenge. You know

1071
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:54,039
I love it.

1072
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: Yep.

1073
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: Here's where you both hiss at me. Alien three, And

1074
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,599
I'm talking about the director's cut in Jay, I sent

1075
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:05,400
you the director's cuts you have, you know, yes, yeah,

1076
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,800
Number three, Last Action Hero because it's just it's just

1077
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,840
a fun film. Number four, Jalls three D, Number five,

1078
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,599
Beverly Hills Cop three, And in last place, drill down

1079
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,519
like one hundred and seventy feet of crap and then

1080
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,360
get to number six. It's still Superman four of the

1081
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,800
Quest for Piece, not because of how bad it is,

1082
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,280
even though it's really bad. It's just it broke my

1083
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,079
heart because it should not have been that bad. And

1084
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:31,480
I know we've talked about all that, so I won't

1085
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,119
get into it. But yeah, that's that's my ranking of

1086
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:34,599
these six.

1087
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is my final judgment now between Jaw

1088
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,119
Just three and Beverly Hills Cop three.

1089
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,679
Speaker 2: This is no contest.

1090
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: I know that going into it, I was the biggest

1091
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:45,639
Just three fan of the three of us. Clearly, Josh

1092
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,199
three is immensely more enjoyable. I mean it is not

1093
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,320
even close. It is way way tilted in the favorite

1094
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,079
Jos three. I think there's fun to be had in

1095
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,719
Jaws three. There is no fun to be had in

1096
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,599
Beverly Hills Cop three. It is a disaster. It's a divorce.

1097
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:03,800
You know, it's an abomination. So here's my metaphor I

1098
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,000
want to give you guys. Okay, Jaws three is like

1099
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,480
you go to Sea World and the killer whale exhibit

1100
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:11,800
that you went there to see is closed, and you

1101
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,480
know the whale is sick, and oh man, that stinks.

1102
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:16,440
And then you go to the dolphin thing and they're like, oh,

1103
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,039
the dolphins are sick today, they can't perform, Like, oh man,

1104
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,400
well that's stinks. Well, at least I still get to

1105
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,559
watch the water skiers, and you know, I get I

1106
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,559
get some cotton candy and I have a coke or whatever.

1107
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:28,440
Beverly Hills Cop three is like pulling up and the

1108
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,440
moose outside tells you the whole park is closed. Your

1109
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:35,039
vacation is shut down. There's nothing for you here. Parks closed.

1110
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,159
Moose outside should have told you dead on arrival.

1111
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: Absolute crap fest.

1112
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: Okay, now then ranking my one, two, three, four, five, six,

1113
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,960
Jaws of Revenge number one, this first worst, it's the best.

1114
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:47,639
It's the best.

1115
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: Oay, okay, it's the best. Yeah. Last Action Hero number two.

1116
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,280
You walked out of that, right he did?

1117
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: He walked out?

1118
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:55,079
Speaker 2: Was walk out of that?

1119
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 3: In third place is Jaws three, still fun. I like it,

1120
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,679
have fun with it. I don't care. Slot number four

1121
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,840
The terrible Hated Alien three where they kill off Hicks

1122
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,119
and New in the first ten minutes. I hate that

1123
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,280
movie and it's in fourth fourth place. Fifth place is

1124
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,840
Superman four. It's atrocious. It's awful. He points at the

1125
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,440
China Wall, or the he points at the Great Wall

1126
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:26,440
of China and rebuilds itself. It's ridiculous, and drill down

1127
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,639
fifty feet of crap and that's where you will find

1128
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,199
Beverly Hills Cop Part three. It is the worst movie

1129
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,599
that we have covered at the Charley Can't Be Serious podcast,

1130
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,079
Spike in the Football.

1131
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,119
Speaker 1: Your ranking wasn't too different from mine. I am a

1132
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:41,320
shadowy reflection of you.

1133
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: Nudge all right, you might.

1134
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,119
Speaker 3: Now you're being nasty.

1135
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of nasty, we got to hear these, I know.

1136
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:55,599
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.

1137
00:54:56,199 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: Okay. So Jows three D was a horrific experience. So

1138
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:05,039
I've walked out of two movies in my life too. Okay.

1139
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,840
They are Showgirls, which I was an adult when I

1140
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,599
saw show plast and I was excited. I even told them.

1141
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,039
I'm telling my son, I don't you know. I thought

1142
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:18,199
that easygoing dad that talks about this kind of stuff.

1143
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,360
But I literally said to him, like, there was a

1144
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:25,039
totally hot girl who everybody was in love with off

1145
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:27,239
of this TV show, who is gonna go and be

1146
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,480
naked all of the time in this movie. And I'm

1147
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,719
in my early twenties. I'm ready, And I walked out

1148
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,599
of that piece of crap when I was seven. It's

1149
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:38,760
when I learned that you could walk out of a movie,

1150
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,480
because my dad said, come on, we're going, We're leaving.

1151
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:44,760
And so I haven't seen this movie in forty one

1152
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,920
years and I watched it again and I have to say,

1153
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,239
my dad made the right decision, right. It is a terrible,

1154
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,119
terrible movie. Beverly Hills Cop three is not even a movie.

1155
00:55:55,639 --> 00:56:01,079
It's a joke. Oo like it the East. Jaws three

1156
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,079
is still a movie. It's a really really bad movie.

1157
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,719
It's worse than Jaws the Revenge, but it's still a movie.

1158
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,840
There is a plot. As bad as it is. This

1159
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,760
movie is horrible, and I agree it is the worst

1160
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,800
movie that we have covered. And I will come back

1161
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,480
to the I will go through my list here in

1162
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,480
just a second, but I will say this, of all

1163
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:26,760
of these movies, it's probably the one that I would

1164
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,079
watch again. But I would do it with a notepad

1165
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:33,679
and a paper so I could say to myself, how

1166
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,599
do I never do this? How does a director? How

1167
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:40,199
does somebody who wants to be a good movie maker,

1168
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,480
a good filmmaker not do this because we know the

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talent that was involved, and somehow they still turned this

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piece of crap out. So I would really want to

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just study it like somebody studies a corpse.

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Speaker 3: Now wait a minute, Just for the record, Jaws three

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better than Beverly Hills Captor the words that we've been

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waiting on a week for.

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Speaker 2: Jaws three is far and away better than Beverly Hill

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Top three. It's not even close. They're not in the

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same ballpark, they're not in the same universe.

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Speaker 3: Bollerram is happy.

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Speaker 2: D is a true believer.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now rank the.

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Speaker 2: Six, ok yeah, all right, best of the six that

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we've talked about. Alien three, what, Yeah, it's it's still

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David Fincher. There are lots of things wrong with it,

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but it's I would probably even watch that one again

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just to try to love it. And I definitely I

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want to see the director's cut, please, what it was like,

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I mean, whatever they call it, because he would He

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said his director's cut would be to take it and

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burn the negative. Right, that's right, he did say that,

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And so then that the next one on my list,

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like the second best is Last Action Hero. After that, Jaws,

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the Revenge after that, Jaws three D after that. I'm

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in agreement with Jeff Superman four, not necessarily because it's

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a worst movie, but because of what it did to

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a truly beloved franchise of mine. And that's why I

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still put Man of Steel on top of my list,

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because it brought that franchise back. I mean, Gem and Me.

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But yes, Beverly Hills Cop Three does not qualify as

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a movie. It gets a zero. I have five four three,

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two one zero Beverly Hills Cop three. Wow. I love it.

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And I really didn't believe you guys that you're going

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to give me something worse than than Jaws three D.

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Speaker 3: But it's hard to believe. It really is hard to Yeah,

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that collection of talent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you you. You tricked me with a jelly bean

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00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:55,519
that tasted like earwax and then gave me one that

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00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:56,440
tasted like vomit.

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Speaker 1: I love the analogies on this show. They're top notch.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, thank you for being with us again.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: I hope you had a good time doing the What

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00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:09,360
the heck Happened series with us?

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Speaker 1: Guys. You know I love doing this with you. I

1215
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,199
love the What the Heck Happened series. I'm here for

1216
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,519
it every time. I don't know, I don't know what

1217
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:20,000
could be next, but sign me up because I love

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00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,199
talking bad movie. I don't love watching bad movies, but

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I love talking bad movies, especially with you two.

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Speaker 3: We've got What the heck Happened coming later this summer available.

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Speaker 1: I'm always available.

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Speaker 3: He's already shaking in his chair.

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00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,119
Speaker 2: For this matchup. Honestly, I'm excited for this matchup, okay,

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because these are actually movies that a lot of people like.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, We're doing Star Trek the Motion Picture, okay,

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versus Star Wars The Phantom Menace.

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Speaker 1: So the worst film of one franchise against one of

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00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:56,199
the worst films of another franchise. And that's all I'll

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say for now. You away, Okay, Yeah, I'm here for it.

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Versus ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for being here, Bud. What do we got

1233
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,079
coming up next to you?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So we have another music episode coming up. We

1235
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have Reckless by Brian Adams versus Heartbeat City by the Cars.

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Speaker 3: That's right, two big albums from eighty four. We're continuing

1237
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:19,840
in our eighty four series before we kind of shift

1238
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,039
in eighty nine and that will be a banger of

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01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:22,599
a series.

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Speaker 2: Want to come back for that? Check it out. Yeah,

1241
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,400
and guys, if you love this episode, please check out

1242
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,920
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1243
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:34,519
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01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,800
bucks a month or more if you want to get

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01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,880
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you get access to every single one of those episodes.

1247
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,159
Or if you just want to follow the page to

1248
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:46,039
see what we're doing, you can go on to patreon

1249
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:51,239
dot com backslash Shirly Podcast and see what we're putting

1250
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,880
out there to see. If you're interested, and be sure

1251
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,679
and go over and check out a film by podcast

1252
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:59,440
the Jeff host with his friend Brad. They've got a

1253
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,559
few co hosts that come in and do other things

1254
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,159
as well. Subscribe to them them up for their Patreon

1255
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,719
as well. And if you guys can't do that, give

1256
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,079
us a little five star and give us a review.

1257
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:12,039
It is a five stars because that's great. And then

1258
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:13,519
an if you're in your review, if you want to

1259
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:15,280
tell us we suck eggs, then go ahead, we can

1260
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,639
we can handle that. Just don't give us one star

1261
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:18,320
because I did suck.

1262
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: Jeff, what do you got coming up for us, man,

1263
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:21,880
I'll tell you we got We're kind of doing a

1264
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,840
Peter Hims thing. Me and Andrew are going to talk

1265
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,840
about twenty ten, the year we make contact. Later in

1266
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,079
that week, we're going to hear from Scott and Dave

1267
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,760
on a film at forty five. They're talking about a

1268
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,239
little little known Harrison Ford film called Hanover Street. I'm excited.

1269
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:40,360
I've never seen it. I'm excited to see it. I'm

1270
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,920
excited to hear what those guys have.

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Speaker 2: To talk about.

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01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: But you know, Wednesdays, we've got our face, you know,

1273
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,599
for all the Star Trek lovers, we got our phasers

1274
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,119
set to stun currently recapping the final season of Discovery,

1275
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:53,119
and you know Flashback Fridays. If it's not talking movies

1276
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:56,039
from nineteen ninety six, it's celebrating the forty fifth anniversary

1277
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:57,800
of films from nineteen seventy nine. So we've got a

1278
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,760
lot of fun stuff coming up.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks again for being here, everybody. We will see

1280
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:02,079
you back here next week.