WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:08.400 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY Boston's news video. Well, 2 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:14.480 good evening, how are we doing. I'm cold. I'm sick 3 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.120 and tired of the cold. Now I know what it's 4 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:20.039 like to be old. I just made a poem. That's gross. 5 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:25.519 Gary Tanguay, Here tonight, folks in for Dan Ray. Really 6 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.280 I am. I put salt out on the walk, chopped 7 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.559 up the ice. There was a time where I thought 8 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.640 Winner was wonderful around here. It's over, It's done. I 9 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.399 understand when people get to a certain age they just 10 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:40.679 hate it. They just do period. End of story. So 11 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:44.200 having said that, that's right, I guess that's kind of 12 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:47.280 all I got to bitch about. Well, you can always 13 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.320 find a lot to bitch about if you really thought 14 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:51.840 about it. But this is where I am with politics now, 15 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.759 and hopefully we're going to talk to John Kellery's schedule 16 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.560 to join us here. And before I give you the 17 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:02.240 rundown of the show, prior to the last few days, 18 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:06.120 my opinion on politics was I'm sticking my head in 19 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:10.560 the sand or current events period. I'm just sticking my 20 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.280 head in the sand. I don't want to know. I'm 21 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:21.239 just gonna stay inside my house I'm gonna watch The Diplomat. 22 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:25.480 I'm gonna watch some movies. I'm gonna read some books. 23 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.519 I'm gonna hang out with my family. I'm gonna do 24 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.480 a little teaching. I'll talk to Bob Bryan on a 25 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.319 podcast twice a week. But I'm not gonna pay attention 26 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:39.000 to anything in the real world. I'm not gonna do 27 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:42.879 it because it's too scary and it's too depressing. I mean, 28 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:46.359 my god, those poor people in Washington with the Blackhawk 29 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:50.200 helicopter in the airline crash. I mean, it just breaks 30 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:56.079 your freaking heart. I can't. I don't know what happens. 31 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:58.319 You know, maybe you get a little you're sensitive when 32 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:03.799 you're younger, and you're more sensitive when you're older. In between, 33 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:05.840 you're kind of like, eh, I can handle it. Maybe 34 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:09.120 it's because you're busy, you know, you're thirty or forty, Ah, 35 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:11.919 you blow it off. You get in the fifties, maybe 36 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:16.199 you become a little more sensitive. But I can't watch 37 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.960 the coverage anymore. I mean, for the families from Boston, 38 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.680 Oh my god, the skaters, and it just brings tears 39 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.319 to your eyes. You know, I need to think you 40 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:28.280 need a therapist after watching the six thirty news. You 41 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:33.120 really do. It's so damn depressing. And then I started, 42 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:37.280 I knew this show was coming up, and I said, 43 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.639 you know what, Gar you gotta you gotta, you gotta 44 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.560 buck up a little bit here. You really do, stop 45 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:48.680 being such a whimp. Now that doesn't mean I have 46 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.840 to watch CNN or MSNBC or Fox News and twenty 47 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.319 four hour news coverage. I mean that could really drive 48 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.759 you crazy. But I got to pay attention. Not because 49 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:01.919 I'm doing a talk show with Dan Ray. And believe me, 50 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.719 I would never try to say I'm as knowledgeable as 51 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.159 Dan Ray. But I think it's my duty as a citizen. 52 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.919 I need to pay attention. I need to keep an 53 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.960 eye on things a little bit. We all have to 54 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.759 because it seems like everything's going to hell. I mean, 55 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:28.280 you got Musk who's shutting down stuff. He wants to 56 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:36.159 shut down usaid and he doesn't even we didn't elect him. 57 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.280 I mean, he's Trump's buddy and he's going around shutting 58 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:45.199 down things. But is he wrong? Maybe he's right to 59 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:50.159 do it. I don't know. This guy's made trillions of dollars. 60 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:54.439 He's not stupid. Is he just shutting something down to 61 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.560 be a dink or is he shutting it down because 62 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:04.960 it's not working. Stay tuned on that. Now. When Trump 63 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:09.639 came out with these tariffs, you know a lot of people, 64 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.400 especially a business, thought he was crazy and so forth, 65 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:15.879 and he just says it. He just said that's the 66 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.120 way it's going to be. He got to hand it 67 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.519 to him. Look, I didn't vote for the guy I thought. Look, 68 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.439 as far as the presidential election was concerned, I wasn't 69 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:29.959 thrilled with either choice. But now Mexico is saying they're 70 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.720 going to send ten thousand troops to the border to 71 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:38.120 stop the drug trade or help stop the drug trade. 72 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.519 Canada is now coming to the table and it's going 73 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.240 to have discussions with Trump on how we can stop 74 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:47.879 drugs coming in from Canada. Now, from what I understand, 75 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:52.920 the majority of it comes from Mexico. And I also 76 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:57.680 sometimes I get confused with illegal immigration, with people crossing 77 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.759 the border. I think almost ninety nine percent of it 78 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.800 come from the South and one percent comes from the North. 79 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.360 I believe that's what the situation is. So maybe I'm 80 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.079 confusing that with the drugs a little bit. Trump is crazy. 81 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.680 He just says stuff. He just says stuff. 82 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:14.639 But. 83 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:23.000 He's got Canada and Mexico talking. So when Trump first 84 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:27.279 came out and said I'm putting these terrorists in because 85 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:29.879 of the drug trade, I have to be honest with you. 86 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:34.360 I am just such a pessimist. I just believe drugs 87 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.040 will be in our society forever because they always have been. 88 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:42.399 People don't want to look at the situation realistically. People 89 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:52.720 have been using narcotics to numb themselves, to self medicate 90 00:05:52.879 --> 00:06:00.800 since the beginning of humankind, whether it's chewing on a root, 91 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:06.519 or whether it's smoking a leaf, or whether it's drinking 92 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:11.879 some sort of kind of concoction from a still, this 93 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.120 society has never been drug free. I gotta be honest 94 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.920 with you. I don't think we can handle it. I 95 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:26.199 don't think humankind can exist without some sort of medication. 96 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:29.959 Now I'm not saying, oh, let's make cocaine, you know, legal, 97 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:31.920 and let's just go jump into a pile of the 98 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:36.600 white stuff, but without either some anxiety medicine from your doctor, 99 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.879 without the three high balls after you get home from work, 100 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.839 or with the glass of wine from dinner, or with 101 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.480 the joint you go out and you smoke on the 102 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:49.800 back patio. I don't think we can as a society. 103 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:53.800 We cannot get through life unmedicated. It can't be done. 104 00:06:53.920 --> 00:07:05.279 We've never done it. We've never done it. Period. So 105 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.319 now they're gonna send ten thousand troops to the border 106 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:15.279 to stop the drugs, Well, well they're at it, they 107 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:17.759 might as well help with the legal immigration as well. 108 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:19.639 And maybe that is the case. Maybe I've missed that. 109 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:28.519 But if that's a lot of people, But does it 110 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:34.560 really matter whether it's one, two, three, four or five thousand, 111 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:39.079 ten thousand Mexican show soldiers at the border. If the 112 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.519 cartels run the country. The cartels basically run the country. 113 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.519 They have all the money, they have all the power. 114 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.279 They do I mean, they just do. They run the 115 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:57.839 country in Mexico. So are there ten thousand soldiers going 116 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.000 to stop that? Do they know where the tunnels are? 117 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.000 Because the way I see it, when it comes to 118 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.680 drugs infiltrating the country, it's not like the cartel sands 119 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:13.879 a battalion across the border. They said it through tunnels. 120 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.319 They pay people off. They have a way to do 121 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:23.040 it that no one knows. So you might have ten 122 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:27.879 thousand guys above ground, who knows. Maybe they're going through 123 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:33.039 tunnels underneath. I don't know, but we could call Trump 124 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.120 crazy with the terriffs, but he's got people coming to 125 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:40.559 the table, and he's made his point clear. I'm not 126 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:44.120 optimistic when it comes to stopping the drug trade. I'm 127 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:48.840 just not. People need to drink, people need to smoke, 128 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:55.399 people need to get high. It sucks, It sucks, but 129 00:08:55.440 --> 00:09:01.840 we are a chemically dependent society. But when Trump first 130 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.320 put this out to twenty five twenty five, I thought 131 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.840 he was nuts. What do I know? He got these 132 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:15.440 guys to the table six one seven six one seven 133 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:17.720 two five four ten thirty. Yes, I did forget the 134 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:21.399 number for a minute. Excuse me? Could you do better? 135 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:25.639 You probably could. Gotta take some calls on this and 136 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.200 uh run down the rest of the show coming up next. 137 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:31.519 I'm Gary tag Away for Dan Ray. This is Night's Side. 138 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.879 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 139 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:40.720 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. Gary tag Away 140 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:45.120 for Dan Ray tonight six thirty. I didn't realize I 141 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:49.759 was gonna be so pessimistic tonight. I got an I'll 142 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:51.360 be honest with you when I open up the show. 143 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.919 I I don't know what I'm gonna say I stopped 144 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:59.039 planning a long time ago. I just when I plan, 145 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:03.360 I get nervous. A lot of people get nervous when 146 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.840 they don't plan. When I plan, I get nervous, I 147 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.399 get anxious. I don't like it. I want to go 148 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.200 on blind, Flying Blind, And I started out talking about 149 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:16.080 the fact that Trump obviously, ay, he's got Canada and 150 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.480 Mexico talking to him, but I still don't think ten 151 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.440 thousand Mexican soldiers are going to stop the drugs. We 152 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.759 have been a society addicted to some sort of chemical 153 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:34.200 forever and it's never going to change, all right. Maybe 154 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.679 Gary and Woolburn will talk me off the ledge about that. 155 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.480 Let's see if I can get this computer work. Gary, 156 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:42.120 you're up on wbz's Nightside. 157 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:45.399 Well, I definitely am a big Trump fan, and I'm 158 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:47.159 not going to argue with you and so forth. But 159 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:48.279 I want to say one thing. 160 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:48.919 You just said. 161 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.480 Something was so interesting. Basically you had an expression wing 162 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.279 it wig wing it, and I got to give you 163 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.519 credit for that. You're just going on your own merit 164 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.360 of what's on your mind right now to give the credit. Now, 165 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.080 couple things, Were you a Biden fan? 166 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.200 No, I haven't been a fan of anybody, to be 167 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:14.320 honest with you, No, I'm not a Biden fan. I'm 168 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:19.039 not a Trump fan just because of his behavior. Just 169 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:24.360 there's gotta be some decorum with the presidency. So I'm 170 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.639 just not I wasn't a fan of either one, quite honestly. 171 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.919 Okay, Well, let me give you three things in a 172 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.120 defensive you and myself. What I don't like about Donald Trump. 173 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:34.879 Three. 174 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.519 Well, the combination of the arrogance and bad behavior is 175 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:42.159 that it all rolls into one number two. I still 176 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:43.919 to this day it irritates the heck guy of me. 177 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.799 I'm sixty one years of age, that he made fun 178 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.799 of John McKeen when he was dead to say he 179 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:51.919 wasn't a national hero. 180 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.120 Gary, Absolutely, I mean, there's no doubt in what you're saying. 181 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.720 It's just it's appalling, it's disgusting. But yet he won 182 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:06.360 the presidential election handily. He wanted handly. I mean he 183 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:08.519 wanted going on. I mean, I don't know about going away, 184 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:13.639 but listen, he won both votes. All right, Gary, thanks 185 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.279 for the phone call. I appreciate it. All right. John 186 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:18.679 Keller's going to join us right now from CBS Boston. 187 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:20.519 John how you doing tonight. 188 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:25.120 I'm good Gary. My apologies for being late. 189 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:25.639 John. 190 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.440 You never have to apologize to me. I just open 191 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.720 up the mic at like eight oh seven and start talking. 192 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:32.919 I really don't care at this point in time. I 193 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:37.120 don't plan for anything. I just said, yeah, I just can't. 194 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:37.480 Yeah. 195 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.360 I don't know if I'm saying makes sense. But I 196 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.120 don't know about you. But people used to say to me, 197 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:43.320 do you plan? I go. I gotta be honest with you. 198 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:50.440 If I plan, I get nervous. I do I get nervous. 199 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:51.759 That's the way to go. 200 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:52.600 Let it rip. 201 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.320 All right, So John, thanks for coming on. We're gonna 202 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.960 you know, we're gonna talk about the mayoral race here 203 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.960 in Boston. But the whole thing now, I just want 204 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:05.120 to kicking things off with Trump. You know, I wasn't 205 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.879 thrilled with either candidate, and just the way you know, 206 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.960 President Trump behaves, he just strives me nuts. But man, 207 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:14.320 he's got him coming to the table. Twenty five percent 208 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:17.759 for Canada, twenty five percent for Mexico, and now they're talking. 209 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.440 And now Mexico says they're going to send ten thousand 210 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.440 troops to the border to stop the drug trade. I 211 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.639 think stopping the drug trade is impossible. But I'm a 212 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.480 pestimate pessimist when it comes to that. What do you 213 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:31.600 think about Trump's negotiating so far? 214 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.799 Well, you know, I want to see the end result 215 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:37.840 of the negotiation. 216 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:40.720 You know. 217 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:45.440 I think most voters are not, you know, kind of 218 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:49.440 hanging on the daily news cycle about this or anything else. 219 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.480 They want to see how this is going to affect 220 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.639 them and their cause of living and their quality of life, 221 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.799 and what we get is it as a country. I mean, 222 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:11.759 I certainly Trump supporters above maybe all other voters are 223 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.720 attuned to the idea of politicians not exactly telling the 224 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:21.960 truth about what's going on or engaging in performance art. 225 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:25.240 Is that what's going on right now with Mexico and 226 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:30.120 Canada is some sort of elaborate performance art where Trump 227 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:35.799 saber rattles and they rattle their sabers back, and oh, 228 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:38.039 they're moving troops to the border. Well what does that 229 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:41.240 really mean? So I think it's wait and see. 230 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.679 I'm just pessimistic when it comes to the drug war. 231 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.879 I believe the cartels are in Mexico. When I take 232 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.200 a look at drugs, I take a look at everything. 233 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:54.799 I just feel as a society, not just the United States, 234 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.039 but the world since Caven could chew roots. I mean, 235 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.639 there's been some sort of form of chemical pendency and 236 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:05.080 some there's self medication, and I just you know, to me, 237 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:11.480 it's it's prevention, it's it's I mean, it's just like 238 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.759 a fire will never be able to put out, and 239 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.039 I don't know if even ten thousand soldiers at the 240 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:16.919 border will stop it. 241 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.519 Yeah, I mean, the drug war, what it's been going 242 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:28.840 on for decades. The failure of the immigration system and 243 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:32.759 the failures of the border I've been going on for decades, 244 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:41.120 right right, So you know, these are tough situations. And 245 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.960 I guarantee you neither Donald Trump nor anyone else is 246 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.039 waving any magic wand solving any of these problems. 247 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.320 Oh no, there's no doubt. But you know something, John, 248 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:56.360 I wonder both of them are massive problems. We understand that. 249 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:58.919 I mean, Trump just acts like he's gonna, you know, 250 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.759 in one fell swoop everything. Which it's unbelievable that he 251 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:04.840 got elected because he talked about building a wall to 252 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.039 I mean, he talks about doing things all the time 253 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:09.679 and they never come true. But we still elected him, 254 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:11.879 which I blame. I mean, I'm a registered Democrat. I 255 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.559 did not vote for him, but I you know, I 256 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.159 blame the Democrats because if you couldn't beat this guy, 257 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:19.080 what the hell are you doing? 258 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:27.879 Well? I would say this again. You know, people in 259 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.480 the end want to see results. That was a big 260 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:34.279 problem for Joe Biden, no doubt when it came to 261 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.480 getting inflation under control and food prices. And now it's 262 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.240 Trump's problem. We'll see how it works out for him. 263 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:48.120 But you know, give Trump credit as a shrewd campaigner 264 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:54.120 and political figure, and he identifies the biggest areas of 265 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:59.360 discontent and then promises to take action on them in 266 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:02.720 a way that drastically different from the way it's being 267 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.640 tried now. So people think that status quo under Biden 268 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.359 is a failure, you bet they're going to be open 269 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:16.240 to something dramatically different. So, you know, I think a 270 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:20.799 lot of the reason why Biden beat Trump in twenty twenty, 271 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:24.119 and by the way he did beat him. Okay, let's 272 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:30.400 yeah that yeah, we agree on that, is that people 273 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:35.000 felt that Trump hadn't delivered on a lot of his promises. 274 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:40.400 You mentioned one, you know, dealing with the border. Remember 275 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.640 how COVID was going to be over by Eastern. So 276 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:50.079 broken promises are poison for a political figure. And I 277 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:53.160 don't think in the end, don't Trumps any exception to that. 278 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:58.240 But it's what is it week three? So the jury's out? 279 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:06.160 What do you think of Musk? I'm just opening that 280 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.119 question up. I'm just gonna let you. 281 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:15.079 I you know, I have a bad attitude about them. 282 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:16.559 I can't imagine. 283 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:20.960 Why starting with and I know the obviously judging from 284 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.319 the sales figures over the years, although they're not doing 285 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:30.240 that great lately. People love the Tesla. Tesla certainly revolutionized 286 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:34.759 the auto industry extent. But every time I see one 287 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.880 of those things, what is it called the new Tesla's 288 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:39.599 that look like little mini tanks? 289 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:39.799 Oh? 290 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:40.359 I hate them. 291 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:41.960 What do they call them? 292 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:43.640 I don't know. I don't know. 293 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:44.759 There's a name for it. 294 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:45.319 I'm sorry. 295 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.880 I'm like, don't worry about it, John, it's not important. 296 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:48.920 We all know what they look like. 297 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.400 Yeah, I just laughed out loud. 298 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:52.279 That's crazy. 299 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.440 I mean, they look so dumb, and apparently you can't 300 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.839 get them clean for some reason. They come out of 301 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.720 the factory and the finish is all rough on them. 302 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:05.960 You can't get them all. 303 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.279 Oh, they look gross. It looks like something out of 304 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:11.839 a junk yard. Oh no, yeah, I know it's the 305 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.000 uh lucium. Oh the god, I can't even read it. 306 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:20.039 They have the what the heck it look like? No, 307 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.720 I'm looking at it right now. And the way they 308 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:25.960 have it written on the website here, I'm trying to 309 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.319 figure out it's the they have it in some fan 310 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:34.400 the range extender. What it's called something like that, the 311 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.759 range extend Yeah, I I don't. I don't know why 312 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.880 anybody would drive one. I really don't. It's not it can, 313 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:46.000 but it cannot be. It cannot be a magnet of 314 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:48.920 the opposite sex or of the sex you are attempting 315 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:49.440 to attract. 316 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:52.680 Oh well, now now we're starting to get into like 317 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.720 a scene from one of your novels. Get you know, 318 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.759 I'm a grandfather here. Please don't drag me into this. 319 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:00.799 Thank you, first of all, thank you for reading it. 320 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:06.480 I appreciate that. But but so this whole thing today, 321 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.160 like with USA, must comes in and he shuts this 322 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:12.880 down or says he's going to shut it down. I mean, 323 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:17.319 this guy's just running rampant. What do you how long 324 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.079 is he going to last? Will Trump get tired? Of 325 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:20.400 him like he does all his friends. 326 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:27.160 Well, you know, that's that's a fair question. And uh, 327 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:35.640 I think the fact that he's moving so fast it 328 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.839 maybe kicks you off as to what must himself thinks 329 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:40.839 his shelf life is going to be. 330 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:43.240 Yeah, right, right, trying. 331 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.519 To just sort of you know, break as much furniture 332 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.720 and glassware as he can. And there's short a period 333 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:53.079 of time. And look, uh you know that was. 334 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:55.440 Yeah. 335 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.640 I'm not endorsing anything that's going on now. I don't 336 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.240 think by saying, you know, this is what they promised 337 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:08.759 to do, this is what Trump promised, So I don't 338 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:15.519 understand why anyone would be surprised. You know, there's a 339 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.519 lot of handwringing about the site of a completely I 340 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:24.599 don't like a guy who's not even a sworn civil servant, right, 341 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:29.920 he's sort of this he has some kind of weird 342 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:34.759 status that's not the normal. He's not a normal government employee. 343 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.440 Let's look at that, not at all. And he has 344 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:47.000 no restraints on him apparently, and that's a little bit scary. 345 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:52.599 I don't think in their sober moments, people want anyone 346 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:54.559 to have that kind of power over us. 347 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.319 No, I agree, Can you hang on for one more segment. Sure, okay, 348 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:01.799 John Keller's with us from CBS Boston. I do want 349 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:03.759 to get into the mayor race here in Boston as well. 350 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:05.720 We'll talk a little more Trump, and we still have 351 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:07.680 calls to get to. We will do that guys, towards 352 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:09.640 the top of the hour right here on the Dan 353 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:11.920 Ray Show on Night Side. I'm Gary Tangley. We'll be 354 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:19.200 right back night with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news Radio. 355 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:24.759 Right Gary Tank for Dan Ray. John Keller's with CBS Boston. John, 356 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:28.279 thanks again for joining us getting back to this. Did 357 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:29.640 you see the movie of The Apprentice? 358 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:36.839 Uh, the recent one, the dramatization. No, I haven't seen 359 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:37.720 it yet. Is it good? 360 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:42.000 You have to watch dude, it's I don't It's entertainment. 361 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.599 You have to watch it. Okay. Look, I'm not saying 362 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:49.400 you should be Harvard should not use this like for 363 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.960 any for anything in your class. But I'll tell you this. 364 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:58.079 I think it does explain Trump, and I think the 365 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:02.119 acting is great in it, which I love. But as 366 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.160 you see Trump mature in the movie, he's been lying 367 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:11.240 his whole life, that's it. He's been like what he's 368 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.680 doing now. He's been doing for forty years. But he 369 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:19.039 just did it in business, So why stop now, you know. 370 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.640 That's that's the thing, Like, this isn't new to him. 371 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.480 This is how he's done it. This has been his 372 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.319 playbook from day one. That's what I think. 373 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:32.279 I'm looking forward to seeing it. And by the way, 374 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.519 you know, just because it's Harvard doesn't mean it isn't trashy. 375 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.839 Okay, sorry, I. 376 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:46.039 Mean, but he Donald Trump, whatever else you might want 377 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:51.440 to say about him, is one of, if not the 378 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:59.440 most brilliant self marketer of his generation. But he's I 379 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:04.480 think that's point. After what he just pulled off, you 380 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:10.440 have to say he has, if not the best, one 381 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:19.720 of the best understandings of American politics, how it interacts 382 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.400 with the culture, and how to exploit and manipulate it. 383 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.160 I don't think it's unreasonable or unfair to call him 384 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:33.200 a genius at that. And you know, the proof is 385 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:39.119 right there, you know, in the election results. So that 386 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:45.599 may be a dismaying or demoralizing fact, but I think 387 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.880 it's a fact. So yes, you're right. I mean, it's funny, Gary, 388 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.799 I got interested in Trump way back in the eighties 389 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.920 when he was just getting up ahead of steam in 390 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:02.799 Manhattan real estate. I used to read Spy Magazine, Remember 391 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:10.319 Spy Magazine and Trump. It was this snarky magazine that 392 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.960 sort of closely followed the cummings and goings of New 393 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:19.759 York celebrities, and Trump certainly set the bill. They after 394 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.960 a while settled on a stock phrase. Every time his 395 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:25.960 name would be mentioned in the magazine, it would be 396 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:31.640 preceded by the words short fingered, vulgarian Donald Trump, and 397 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:36.359 that every reference, month after month, year after year. Anyway, 398 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.839 I got interested in Trump, and I read pretty much 399 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.599 every biography about him that I could get my hands on, 400 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:46.680 and yeah, you know, everything his critics say about him 401 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:53.160