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Speaker 1: Imagine you are walking home from work. It is just

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a completely ordinary.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday, right, just a normal day exactly.

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Speaker 1: The sun is just starting to dip below the horizon,

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and it's casting those those long, familiar shadows across the

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pavement of your quiet neighborhood. Yeah, you can hear the

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distant hum of traffic, maybe a neighbor's dog barking a

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few streets over. You are mentally going through your grocery.

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Speaker 2: List, or I mean, thinking about what you were going

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to watch on television tonight.

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Speaker 1: Right, maybe you were just stepping out to buy supplies

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for your house, or going for your usual evening jog.

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Your mind is entirely occupied by the mundane, the routine, Yes,

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the incredibly safe rhythm of your daily life. You turn

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the corner and you are just a block away from

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your front door. You can literally see the warm glow

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of your porch like okay, and then well you never

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come back.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it is It's the ultimate nightmare, isn't it?

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The sudden, violent disruption of the ordinary.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: One second you exist in the world. You are tethered

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to your routines, your family, your future. You possess a

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physical weight, a legal identity, a voice.

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Speaker 1: Right, you're a person, exactly, And.

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Speaker 2: The next second there is just a void, an empty

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space where a human being used to be. The transition

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from a living, breathing person to an unsolved mystery happens

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in the absolute blink of an eye.

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome to thrilling threads. Today, we are opening a

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terrifying stack of source material to really examine the mechanics

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of silence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a heavy one.

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Speaker 1: It is. We are taking a deep dive into an

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investigative transcript detailing real people who vanished or were permanently

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erased after exposing dark secrets.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate price of truth.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, let's unpack this because we aren't just here

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to recount a list of true crime stories, are we No.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. We are looking at the underlying architecture

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of suppression. We want to understand how powerful entities we

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mean powerful, extremely, ranging from hyperlocal street gangs to massive,

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heavy armed national governments. We want to know how they

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actually go about the logistics of erasing whistleblowers.

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Speaker 1: Like, what are the actual mechanisms of making a human

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being disappear when that human being knows way too much?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, But before we jump in, I do want

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to establish a firm parameter for you, the listener, good boy.

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The source texts we are analyzing today involve incredibly complex

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political landscapes, deeply corrupt governments, and powerful figures from various

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nations across entirely different eras. Right, So our job here

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is strictly to impartially report the findings from the text.

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We are not taking political sides, nor are we endorsing

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any specific ideology left or right.

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Speaker 1: We're just the messengers.

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Speaker 2: Precisely. We are simply following the terrifying threads of these

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documented files to see exactly where they lead.

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Speaker 1: So let's start at the absolute apex of the power structure,

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the machine of the state.

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Speaker 2: Itself, right the very top.

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Speaker 1: We are looking at what happens when the entity designed, funded,

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and you know, legally mandated to protect you is the

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exact same entity that decides that you need to be

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permanently removed from the population.

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Speaker 2: Terrifying paradox it really is.

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Speaker 1: We are examining the mechanics of overt versus covert erasure,

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and to understand the baseline of state sponsored vanishing, we

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have to travel to Argentina in the nineteen seventies. Okay,

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we need to look at the life and the erasure

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of Elena Holberg.

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Speaker 2: Ah. Yeah, Elena Holberg is a vital starting point because honestly,

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she completely shatters the stereotype of the radical outsider.

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Speaker 1: Right. She wasn't some underground rebel, no, not at all.

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Speaker 2: She wasn't a dissident operating in the shadows. She was

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the establishment. I mean. Born in nineteen thirty one, she

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was a trailblazer within the system.

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Speaker 1: She worked her way entirely up through the Argentine Foreign

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Service exactly.

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Speaker 2: She became one of the very first women to graduate

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from the country's main diplomatic school. By the late nineteen seventies,

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she had achieved a highly prestigious posting in France, working

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directly at the embassy.

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Speaker 1: So she represents the ultimate insider, a dedicated civil servant

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who really believed in the structural integrity of our government.

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Speaker 2: But the structural integrity of that government was it was

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collapsing into a military dictatorship.

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Speaker 1: And the friction begins. In nineteen seventy eight. According to

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the source, she has suddenly recalled to Buenos Aires.

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Speaker 2: And the justification is incredibly vague.

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Speaker 1: Right, super vague. Supposedly it was due to quote issues

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unquote with naval intelligence officers she had been dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Just try to imagine the psychological whiplash of that. You

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are sitting in an embassy in France, at the pinnacle

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of a diplomatic career he spent decades building. You have

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navigated these notoriously patriarchal corridors of power to get there.

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Speaker 1: And then a sudden, cold directive from Buenos Aires just

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pulls you back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you aren't being promoted, You are being recalled because

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of friction with military intelligence. The sheer institutional weight of

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that directive must have been suffocating.

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Speaker 1: So she is brought back to the capital, working inside

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the Foreign Ministry, and then comes December twenty, nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 2: Eight, the day she vanishes, right, and.

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Speaker 1: It's daytime, broad daylight. She tells her colleagues she is

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leaving the building to meet a group of journalists.

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Speaker 2: Which is a totally normal professional errand for someone in

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her position, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But she never arrives.

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Speaker 2: She is grabbed directly off the street by a military

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task force. And we really have to pause and analyze

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the logistics of this.

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Speaker 1: Moment, because this isn't a mugging.

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Speaker 2: No, this is an operation executed by the state. At

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this time, the Argentine state apparatus had been completely weaponized

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against its own citizens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the military AGENTA was operating secret detention centers.

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Speaker 2: And many of them were run by the Navy. These

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were basically bureaucratic black sites designed specifically to hold, interrogate,

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and torture prisoners, completely outside the bounds of any legal framework.

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Speaker 1: So Holberg is abducted by the very government she serves

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and taken to one of these facilities exactly. I kept

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trying to conceptualize what that realization must feel like for

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someone like her, I mean, for Dick. She operated within

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the rules of diplomacy, law and state craft.

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Speaker 2: She knew how the system works.

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Speaker 1: Right, when a crime occurs, you call the police, you

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report to the authorities. But what do you do when

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you are dragged into a basement and the people standing

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over you in uniform literally are the authorities.

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Speaker 2: It is a total inversion of reality.

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Speaker 1: There is nowhere to run. The people answering the phones

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at the emergency dispatch are the ones who authorized your kidnapping.

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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate manifestation of helplessness and you know

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the timeline here is critical for understanding the state's methodology.

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What do you mean, Well, for weeks there is absolute silence.

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A high ranking diplomat simply ceases to exist. Then, on

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January eleventh, nineteen seventy nine, her body is pulled from

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a river just outside the city. Right It had been

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in the water for a significant period. Fingers immediately point

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at high ranking navy officers. It becomes glaringly obvious that

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she was killed after uncovering things she simply wasn't supposed

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to see regarding naval intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Up hold on. I was reading this and thinking, if

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the military junta controls the entire country, and if they

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have these sprawling secret detention centers, why leave her body

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in a river to be found?

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Speaker 2: It seems counterintuitive, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Why not just incinerate her or bury her in a

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mass grave where she vanishes forever? Finding the body seems

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like a massive failure of the cover up.

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Speaker 2: Ah, but you are viewing it through the lens of

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a criminal trying to avoid getting caught. The state wasn't

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trying to avoid getting caught. Leaving her body in the

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river was not a botched cover up. It was a

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highly calculated bureaucratic communication strategy.

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Speaker 1: Wait, a communication strategy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, a military task force has the logistical means to

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make a body disappear into thin air. Allowing her to

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be found. Was a deliberate, chilling message. It was a

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broadcast to every other diplomat, every civil servant, every journalist

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in the country saying, essentially, this is what happens when

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you step out of line. We did this. We want

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you to know we did this, and we want you

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to know you are completely powerless to hold us accountable.

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Speaker 1: Jesus. So the overt violence was a tool of mass

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psychological compliance.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, the body itself becomes a piece of state propaganda.

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Speaker 1: That is deeply macabre, But it begs the question of evolution. Right.

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A nineteen seventies military dictatorship relies on brute physical force

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and terror, but the mechanisms of silence surely adapt to

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their environment.

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Speaker 2: They have to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if we move from a dictatorship to a modern

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twenty first century Western democracy, the tactics have to change.

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You can't just drag a high ranking official off the

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street in London without collapsing the government.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, the goal, which is a rature, remains the same,

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but the methodology shifts from overt physical violence to covert

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institutional pressure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for me.

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Speaker 2: If a dictatorship uses a sledgehammer, a modern democracy uses

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a vacuum chamber.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great way to put it.

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Speaker 2: The outcome is equally devastating, but the mechanics rely on

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isolation rather than abduction. And this brings us to the

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United Kingdom in the summer of two thousand and three

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and the highly disturbing case of David Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, David Kelly was a top tier British government scientist.

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We were talking about an absolute authority on biological weapons.

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Speaker 2: A literal expert in his field.

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Speaker 1: He had spent years as an inspector navigating some of

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the most dangerous weapons programs around the globe. And like Holberg,

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he is deeply embedded in the establishment. He is an

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asset to the state.

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Speaker 2: But the context surrounding his raider is arguably one of

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the largest geopolitical earthquakes of the modern era, the two

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thousand and three invasion of Iraq. The stakes are astronomical.

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In the lead up to the war, a BBC report

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airs containing an explosive claim I remember this, Yeah, it

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alleges that the British government had actively exaggerated intelligence regarding

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weapons of mass destruction to justify the invasion to the public.

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Speaker 1: It essentially accuses the state of manufacturing the Casses Valley

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for a massive military conflict exactly.

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Speaker 2: And the source for this claim was an off the

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record conversation between a BBC journalist in David Kelly.

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Speaker 1: And the cardinal rule of journalism is protecting your source always.

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But that shield shatters, his name leaks, and once David

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Kelly is exposed as the source of this massive geopolitical scandal,

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the institutional crushing begins at lightning speed.

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Speaker 2: It was incredibly fast.

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Speaker 1: On July fifteenth, two thousand and three, he is summoned

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to appear before a parliamentary committee. And this isn't some quiet,

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closed door meeting. It is a highly aggressive televised.

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Speaker 2: Spectacle, a modern day witch hunt.

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Speaker 1: He is relentlessly grilled by politicians, the government in the

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media are engaged in a historic bare knuckle brawl. And

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this scientist, you know, a man accustomed to laboratories and

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quiet inspections, is thrust right into the center of the coliseum.

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Speaker 2: And then two days later, on July seventeenth, he leaves

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his home in Oxfordshire. Yeah, he tells his wife he

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is going for a walk, and he never returns. The

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following day, his body is discovered in a wooded area

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near his home, and the.

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Speaker 1: Official cause of death is ruled a suicide.

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Speaker 2: That's the official line.

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Speaker 1: I just I cannot accept that official narrative without extreme

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skepticism based on the source material. Let's look the sheer

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logistics of this timeline.

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Speaker 2: List it.

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Speaker 1: We have a highly trained, internationally seasoned weapons inspector. He

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is suddenly outed, globally humiliated on live television by his

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own governent, caught in the crosshairs of a regime defining scandal,

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and within forty eight hours of this televised crucifixion, he

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just happens to wander into the woods and end his

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own life. Highly suspicious is an understatement. The timing alone

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is astronomically convenient for a government that was desperate to

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silence the narrative he helped start.

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Speaker 2: It demands profound critical questioning. There's no doubt about that.

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But regardless of whether you believe it was a staged

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assassination or a state induced suicide, the mechanism of erasure

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is fundamentally the same absolute suffocating isolation. The state stripped

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away his anonymity, weaponized the media against him, and isolated

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him from his peers.

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Speaker 1: They just cut him off from everything.

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Speaker 2: They created an environment of such immense psychological pressure that

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his survival became impossible. If we synthesize Holberg and Kelly,

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we see the dual nature of state power.

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Speaker 1: The Argentine junta used the physical infrastructure of a secret prison.

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Speaker 2: And the British government used the institutional infrastructure of a

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parliamentary inquiry. Both methods successfully removed a dangerous variable from

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the board.

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Speaker 1: The isolation is the weapon, it really is. It is

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terrifying because it requires no bullets. But as we move

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into the second section of these files, we transition away

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from the secrets of the state and step into something

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infinitely more pervasive.

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Speaker 2: The currency of corruption.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what happens when the truth you hold doesn't threaten

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a politician's career, but threatens an illicit, multi billion dollar

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financial pipeline.

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Speaker 2: While historically there is no faster way to summon the

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reaper than to disrupt the flow of illegal.

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Speaker 1: Capital, yeah, that seems to be a universal rule.

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Speaker 2: When you transition into the realm of global finance and

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organized crime, you are dealing with adversaries who view human

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life not as a moral weight, but purely as a

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line item on a ledger, just a cost.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: If the cost of silencing you is statistically lower than

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the profits you threaten, they will balance the books. The

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case of Alexander Peara Plickny is a masterclass in the

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economics of assassination.

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Speaker 1: So Alexander Pea Polackney was a Russian businessman working in

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high level finance, and he found himself tangled in one

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of the most massive corruption scandals in modern Russian history.

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Speaker 2: And he made a staggering decision.

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Speaker 1: He turned whistleblower. He possessed documents exposing a scheme where

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billions of dollars were being systematically siphoned out of the

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Russian treasury, laundered through a labyrinth of fake shadow companies,

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and deposited into highly secretive Swiss bank accounts.

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Speaker 2: The stakes he was playing with were not theoretical. He

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knew exactly what the consequences of his actions were because

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of what happened before him right exactly. The text notes

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that this specific financial fraud had already directly led to

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the death of Sergei Magnitsky, the lawyer who initially uncovered

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the scheme and died in a Russian prism.

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Speaker 1: So Parapalikni was fully aware that he was dealing with

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an adversary who had already killed to protect this.

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Speaker 2: Money, yet he continued to pass highly sensitive banking documents

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to Swiss authorities.

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Speaker 1: And to survive, he makes the logical move. In two

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thousand and nine. He flees to the United Kingdom with

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his family.

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Speaker 2: He seeks sanctuary in a quiet, affluent suburb.

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Speaker 1: Assuming the geographical distance and the jurisdiction of the UK

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will protect him, and for a while it seems to work.

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But then we hit November tenth, twenty twelve. He is

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simply out for a jog in southern England, just a

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forty four year old man getting some.

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Speaker 2: Exercise, and he suddenly collapses and dies on the street.

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Speaker 1: Initially, the local authorities look at the scene, you know,

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no gunshot wounds, no signs of a.

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Speaker 2: Struggle, right, nothing obvious, and.

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Speaker 1: They conclude it was likely a sudden, tragic cardiac event.

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Speaker 2: But what's fascinating here is the evolution of the hit man.

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It becomes truly terrifying. How so well, it took years

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an intense pressure for the truth to claw its way

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to the surface. Toxicology tests eventually revealed traces of a

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highly obscure, incredibly rare plant based chemical in his system.

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Speaker 1: Wait, a plant.

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Speaker 2: Specifically derived from a toxic plant found in Asia. While

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legally difficult to prove as a definitive murder weapon in

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a court of law due to the sheer novelty of

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the compound, the implication is undeniable.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if they have the resources to engineer

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a virtually undetectable botanical poison, why even risk deploying it

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in a foreign country?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Why risk an international incident in the UK? If this

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is a financial syndicate, why not just ruin him financially

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hack as accounts, destroys reputation, bankrupt him. Murder seems like

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an unnecessary, high risk escalation.

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Speaker 2: Ah, because financial ruin leaves a living, breathing witness who

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can still talk to a journalist or a Swiss magistrate.

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All right, dead men don't testify. But more importantly, the

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method of the murder serves a dual purpose by using

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an obscure botanical poison that mimics a heart attack. They

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achieve plausible deniability.

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Speaker 1: They avoid the immediate manhunt that follows a shooting exactly.

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Speaker 2: It is a highly coordinated cross border operation that requires

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immense funding, deep biochemical knowledge, and an intelligence network capable

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of tracking a target's daily jogging route in a foreign country.

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Speaker 1: It shows a highly coordinated, well funded adversary.

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Speaker 2: It is a demonstration of absolute invisible reach. You can

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flee the country, you can hide in a quiet English suburb,

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but the ledger will eventually be balanced.

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Speaker 1: That invisible reach is suffocating. It proves that borders are

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completely meaningless to allicit.

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Speaker 2: Capital, completely meaningless.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of illicit capital, that brings us to the

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case of Ross Alderson. This shifts are focused from the

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streets of England to the sprawling casino floors of British Columbia, Canada.

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Speaker 2: Now, Alderson's profile is entirely different from a Russian oligarch.

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He was an Australian national who spent years working inside

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the British Columbia Lottery Corporation.

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Speaker 1: He was an investigator right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and his specific mandate was to detect and stop

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money laundering inside state sanctioned casinos. So he wasn't a spy, No,

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he was a corporate regulator. Over seven years, he climbed

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the ranks until he became the director of anti money

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laundering investigations.

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Speaker 1: So he is literally the guy hired to stop the crime.

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But the files highlight this agonizing, slow motion psychological collapse.

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Speaker 2: It's tragic to read.

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Speaker 1: He is in this director position and he is repeatedly

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sounding the alarm about massive systemic money lottering operations flowing

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freely through the VIP rooms of these casinos.

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Speaker 2: We're talking people walking in with literal duffel bags of

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illicit cash.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He is pushing the issue internally, screaming at management

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to do something, but the organization ignores him.

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Speaker 2: They didn't want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: You know. I look at Alderson like a building's fire

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alarm the management keeps unplugging it because the alarm is

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bad for business, or like a casino's white blood cell.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I like that analogy.

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Speaker 1: He was designed to attack the infection of money laundering,

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but the casino eventually realized they were massively profiting from

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the infection, so the organization's immune system attacked him instead.

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Speaker 2: That is an incredibly astute analogy. It captures the essence

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of structural apathy perfectly. When you present the rot to

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the very people whose bonuses depend on that rot, you

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cease to be an investigator, You become a liability.

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Speaker 1: And the cognitive dissonance of that environment, I mean, knowing

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the truth, having the evidence, but being institutionally paralyzed, it

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takes a profound toll.

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Speaker 2: His colleagues reported that he was operating under a crushing

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amount of stress, exhibiting severe mental health struggles as a

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direct result of this constant grinding friction, and.

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Speaker 1: He finally resigns in late twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: But resigning didn't erase what he knew.

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Speaker 1: No, it didn't, because in late twenty nineteen, he approaches reporters.

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He states publicly that a massive commission of inquiry is

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necessary to expose the casino money laundering, and most dangerously,

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he volunteers to help.

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Speaker 2: He signals that he is ready to testify.

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Speaker 1: But when he is officially summoned to appear before that commission, well,

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he vanishes. He never shows up.

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Speaker 2: All communication ceases.

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Speaker 1: He has been missing ever since.

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Speaker 2: And this introduces a different mechanism of silence. The utility

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of ambiguity ambiguity, yes, Unlike Parapolichny, where a body was

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left behind, Alderson's disappearance leaves a gaping void. Did the

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sheer psychological weight break him. Did he quietly flee back

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to Australia to save his own sanity, choosing self imposed

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exile over testifying, or did.

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Speaker 1: The multimillion dollar underground casino network intervene before he could

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take the stand.

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Speaker 2: We don't know.

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Speaker 1: But from the perspective of the syndicate, why is a

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vanishing better than a body? I mean, finding a body

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sends a message like we saw in Argentina.

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Speaker 2: Because a body initiates a homicide investigation. A disappearance leaves

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the authorities and a jurisdictional purgatory.

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Speaker 1: Oh, because you can't prosecute a murder.

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Speaker 2: Without a victim exactly. More importantly, the ambiguity itself is

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a for of terror for any other potential whistleblowers inside

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that casino. The not knowing is agonizing.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: If Falderson was murdered, they know the stakes. If he

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simply ran away, they know that even the director of

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investigations couldn't handle the pressure. Either way, the message is clear,

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do not speak.

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Speaker 1: It is a brilliant, terrifying tactic, and the permanence of

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a vanishing brings us to one of the oldest cases

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in this section, Mauro Tomorrow. Ah, we are jumping back

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to September of nineteen seventy to Palermo, Sicily. Tomorrow was

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a veteran investigative journalist. He was deeply entrenched in the

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dangerous world of exposing the mafia and corrupt political figures

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in Italy.

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Speaker 2: When you look at Tomorrow's career, you realize he wasn't

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a rookie stumbling into danger. He had spent a decade

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meticulously painting targets on his own.

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Speaker 1: Back in the fall of nineteen seventy, Tomorrow was aggressively

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researching a highly sensitive story regarding a powerful Italian energy

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boss who had recently died in a plane.

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Speaker 2: Crash, a very suspicious thinker.

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Speaker 1: Right the public was told it was a tragic aviation accident,

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but Tomorrow possessed evidence pointing toward a massive orchestrated assassination

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and a subsequent cover up involving the highest levels of

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the criminal underworld in the state.

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Speaker 2: He was actively chasing down the final leads and.

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Speaker 1: On the evening of September sixteenth, nineteen seventy. He leaves

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his office to walk home. It is the exact scenario

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we discussed at the beginning of the show.

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Speaker 2: A man walking through his own neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Yep, he never makes it inside his front door. He

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is physically grabbed off the street. The subsequent police response

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is massive, I mean thousands of officers scouring sicily, but

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he is never found.

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Speaker 2: For over fifty years, his disappearance has remained one of

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Italy's most enduring mysteries. Crazy and if you look at

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the trajectory of parapilogne, Alderson and Tomorrow, the unifying thread

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is the cold, mathematical brutality of illicit capital.

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Speaker 1: They all tied back to money.

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Speaker 2: They operated in different decades, on different continents, dealing with

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different industries Russian banking, Canadian casinos, Italian energy, but they

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all followed the money. And the harsh reality is that

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when you follow the money long enough, you eventually cross

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paths with people who consider human life much cheaper than

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their profit margins. Erasing a journalist or an investigator is

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simply the cost of doing business.

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Speaker 1: It's just an operational expense to them that is chilling.

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Speaker 2: It truly is.

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Speaker 1: We have covered the staggering power of the state apparatus

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and the borderless reach of global financial syndicates. But as

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we move into section three of these files, the geography

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of danger shrinks.

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Speaker 2: It gets claustrophobic.

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Speaker 1: Exactly because sometimes the most lethal secrets aren't hidden in

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a Swiss bank account or a classified government dossier. Sometimes

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the threat is standing right behind you in the checkout

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line at the grocery store.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about hyper local retaliation.

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Speaker 1: We shift now to journalists exposing local corruption.

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Speaker 2: This is a crucial pivot in our understanding of suppression.

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Global conspiracies operate with sophisticated poisons and international hit men,

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but local corruption is deeply intimate.

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Speaker 1: Intimate is the perfect word for it.

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Speaker 2: When an independent journalist starts digging into the pettigraft of

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a town mayor the local police chief, or a neighborhood gang,

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the retaliation is an outsource to a professional No, it

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is handled by the very people the journalist sees every

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single day. The threat radius is zero.

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Speaker 1: Let's examine the case of Francis Niari to see how

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this intimacy weaponizes itself. It is two thousand and nine

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in western Kenya. Yari is a freelance journalist who makes

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his living uncovering local scams. Right in the weeks leading

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up to his murder, he publishes a series of deeply

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antagonistic articles about massive financial fraud involving a housing project,

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and the twisted irony is that this housing project was

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meant for the local police officers.

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Speaker 2: The psychological pressure and the lead up to his vanishing

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is profound. He isn't being threatened by anonymous emails from

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a foreign country. He is receiving direct physical threats from

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the people in his own town.

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Speaker 1: His friends noted that he became entirely consumed by paranoia,

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terrified to even walk down the street alone.

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Speaker 2: Try to conceptualize that level of isolation. If the people

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issuing the death threats where the police uniforms of your town,

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the entire concept of safety evaporates.

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Speaker 1: You cannot call the authorities when the authorities are the

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ones holding the knife. Exactly on January fifteenth, two thousand

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and nine, Niari leaves his house to buy construction materials,

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a totally mundane errand he never returns. Two weeks later,

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his body is found dumped in the Kodera forest.

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Speaker 2: It was a brutal scene.

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Speaker 1: His hands are bound and his head has been separated

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from his body. But the visceral betrayal of this case

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lies in the logistics of his abduction, which came out

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later during a confession from a taxi driver.

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Speaker 2: Right the driver admitted to picking up Nyari, but the

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vehicle wasn't empty.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Sitting inside the taxi were two local police officers and

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several members of a local street gang. They drove him

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into the forest together.

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Speaker 1: I have to stop on that detail because the mechanics

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of that taxi ride are staggering. It wasn't just a

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gang hit. It was a joint.

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Speaker 2: Venture, a terrifying partnership.

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Speaker 1: You have the police officers, the agents of the state

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sworn to protect the public, literally sitting shoulder to shoulder

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with street level gang members, utilizing public transport infrastructure to

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execute a journalist.

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Speaker 2: It is a complete synthesis of state authority and criminal violence.

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Speaker 1: It makes me so outraged, the very police officer sitting

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in the taxi taking him to his death, and despite

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the confession, despite arrests and a trial, no convictions ever occurred.

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Speaker 2: But look at the function of that trial. What do

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you mean, why even bother holding a trial if they

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already control the system, Because a sham trial provides a

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veneer of bureaucratic legitimacy, all right. It allows the corrupt

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apparatus to say, look, we followed the law, we held

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a trial and there simply wasn't enough evidence. It sanitizes

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the murder.

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Speaker 1: And we see this exact same mechanism of daily impunity

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in the case of Sandeep Kothari in Madiadesh, India in

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twenty fifteen. Kothrie was a journalist in Machya, Pradesh exposing

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a massive illegal iron ore mining operation and he crossed

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the ultimate red line. He named names.

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Speaker 2: He published the specific names of the businessmen and local

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officials profiting from the theft of natural resources.

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Speaker 1: The threats poured in, but he refused to stop. On

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June twenty six, twenty fifteen, he is out running errands

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in a busy part of town. The files explicitly note

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it was a populated area, broad daylight. A group of

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men physically grab him, force him into a car in

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front of witnesses, and drive away. Two days later, his

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body is found dead near a creek.

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Speaker 2: And the legal aftermath is a complete black hole. The

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source notes the case has dragged on for eleven years,

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with three arrests and zero convictions.

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Speaker 1: Eleven years.

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Speaker 2: But if we connect this to the bigger picture, the

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eleven year legal limbo is not a failure of the

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Indian justice system. The limbo is the justice system functioning

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exactly as the corrupt officials designed it to. Hyperlocal corruption

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operates with such terrifying brazenness because they don't need sophisticated poisons.

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They commit crimes in broad daylight because they already control

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the local courts and police who would investigate them. The

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delay is the weapon.

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Speaker 1: It's a feature, not a bug. They want the public

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to watch them get away with it, which leads us

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to the most visceral case in these files. Ebany Jose

556
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Metzger in Brazil. Right, we are in a small town

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in Brazil in early twenty fifteen. Yeah, Metzger runs an

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independent blog, and he has moved into this specific region

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to aggressively investigate crime, local politics, illicit substances, and the

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exploitation of miners.

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Speaker 2: He is poking a hornet's nest and.

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Speaker 1: The hornets react immediately. He goes missing around May thirteenth,

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twenty fifteen. Five days later, an anonymous tip leads police

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to a remote area where his body is discovered.

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Speaker 2: The scene was horrifically violent.

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Speaker 1: It was a gruesome lead up, and his body was

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found completely missing its head. Okay, I have to ask

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a tough question here because I am seeing a glaring

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psychological divergence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 1: When we looked at the state erasure of David Kelly,

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it was a clean suicide in the woods. When we

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looked at the financial erasure of Para Polickney, it was

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an undetectable poison simulating a heart attack. But when we

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look at these hyper local cases like Yari in Kenya

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or Metzger in Brazil, we are seeing beheadings and brutalization.

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Speaker 2: Why the shift, That's a very perceptive question.

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Speaker 1: If the goal is just to silence a blogger a

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bullet to the back of the head acheese that, why

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is local retaliation so incredibly graphic?

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Speaker 2: Because you are confusing the primary objective. For a state

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intelligence agency or a Swiss banking syndicate, the primary goal

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is the removal of the threat with zero blowback.

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Speaker 1: They want the public to think it was a tragedy,

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a medical event, or a suicide exactly.

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Speaker 2: But for a local cartel or a corrupt municipal government,

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the primary goal is not just the removal of the journalists.

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The primary goal is the subjugation of the entire time.

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They operate on a different currency, which is performative graphic violence.

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Speaker 1: So the grotesque violence acts as a sort of psychological

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tax on the community.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, it is a tax on community trust. When cartels

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and corrupt local officials violently mutilate a blogger and leave

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his headless body to be found, it's not just about

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stopping him. It's a billboard to the rest of the

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town saying this is what happens if you speak wow.

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Speaker 1: It forces the citizens to realize that the state cannot

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protect them, and therefore they must submit to the authority

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of the cartel. The trauma is the padlock they place

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on the town's mouth.

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Speaker 2: That is a staggering sociological concept. Performative violence as a

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mechanism of municipal governance.

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Speaker 1: It is grim but effective.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have traversed an incredible landscape of suppression. We

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have looked at military jentas, billionaire oligarchs and hyperlocal.

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Speaker 1: Cartels, a lot of groundcovered.

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Speaker 2: The sheer scale and variety of this violence might make you,

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the listener, feel like this is a uniquely modern plague.

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You might be listening to this thinking, well, this is

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just the inevitable result of global banking, the Internet age,

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and modern political corruption.

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Speaker 1: But the final section of our files demands that we pause.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it asks us to strip away every piece of

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modern technology. No encrypted messaging, no offshore wire transfers, no Internet.

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We are rewinding the clock exactly two hundred years.

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Speaker 1: This historical anchor is perhaps the most illuminating segment of

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our entire analysis. We are traveling back to the eighteen

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twenties to upstate New.

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Speaker 2: York, the case of William Morgan.

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Speaker 1: Right, William Morgan was the definition of an ordinary guy.

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He wasn't a diplomat or a high level financier. He

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was a stonecutter, a bricklayer, a guy who occasionally ran

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a small store.

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Speaker 2: He was entirely unremarkable until eighteen twenty six, when he

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made a fatal miscalculation.

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Speaker 1: He publicly announced that he was going to publish a

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book revealing the highly guarded inner secrets of the Freemasons.

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Speaker 2: We really must contextualize the Freemasons in eighteen twenties America.

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They were not a benign social club organizing cherry. They

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were an immensely powerful, highly secretive fraternity. Their members occupied

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the most prominent positions in society. They were the local judges,

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the sheriffs, the mayors, and the wealthy merchants.

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Speaker 1: And Morgan claimed to be initiated into the order.

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Speaker 2: He did, but when they rejected him, he felt deeply slighted.

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That rejection became his catalyst. He teamed up with a

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local newspaper publisher utilizing a rudimentary printing press, and set

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out to expose the men who secretly ran the town.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine the absolute panic among the local elite

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and ordinary bricklayer is about to print a book that

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strips away their mistique.

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Speaker 2: They are furious.

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Speaker 1: They resolved to stop the publication at all costs. But

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here's where it gets really interesting. It's September eighteen twenty six,

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no Internet, no global offshore bank accounts, just a guy,

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a printing press, and a powerful society.

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Speaker 2: And look at how they handle it. They don't just

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put on masks and grab him out of his bed

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in the middle of the night. Instead, they weaponized the

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local legal system against him. They have him officially legally

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arrested on entirely bogus minor charges, specifically failing to repay

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a tiny debt of roughly two dollars.

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Speaker 1: Wait two dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean in eighteen twenty six, that was something,

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but still highly questionable and practically irrelevant. The debt was

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simply the legal pretext.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: By having him officially arrested and thrown into a local

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jail cell, they physically detained the problem. They utilized the

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legal system to stop the book under the impenetrable guise

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of legal authority.

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Speaker 1: But the jail cell was merely a holding pen, because

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shortly after he is released, or rather extracted from that jail,

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he is immediately taken away by a group of men,

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forced into a carriage, and never seen again.

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Speaker 2: His body is never recovered.

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Speaker 1: The files note that his vanishing sparked a massive wave

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of public outrage, but the core mystery was never solved.

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The masons involved largely protected each.

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Speaker 2: Other, and I marvel at how the William Morgan case

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is the keystone of our entire discussion. It brutally away

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the illusion that the suppression of truth is a modern

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technological phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: The mechanics haven't changed in centuries exactly.

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Speaker 2: The weaponization of the legal system to detain a problem,

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the bogus debt charge followed by a permanent extra judicial disappearance, is.

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Speaker 1: The exact same playbook used by the Kenyan police in

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two thousand and nine or the Argentine junta in nineteen

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seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: It proves that the urge for power to fiercely protect

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itself in the shadows, to violently eliminate whatever threatens its survival,

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is a timeless, fundamental human instinct. The tools change from

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a horse drawn carriage to a botanical poison, but the

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dark geometry of power remains exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: The dark geometry of power that phrasing perfectly encapsulates everything

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we have explored.

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Speaker 2: Today done quite a journey.

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Speaker 1: As we step back and review the massive journey we

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have taken you on, we started with a nineteen seventy's

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Argentine diplomat dragged into a naval black site. We examined

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the psychological demolition of a British weapons expert, the silent

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poisoning of a Russian financier, and the agonizing ambiguity of

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a Canadian casino investigator.

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Speaker 2: And we witnessed local journalists in Kenya, India, and Brazil

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paying the ultimate.

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Speaker 1: Graphic price, and we anchored it all to an eighteen

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twenty stonecutter in New York. The absolute through line connecting

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every single one of these disparate lives is clear. Truth

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is the most dangerous substance on Earth.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is. And this brings me back to a

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core philosophy that we continually emphasize here. Critical thinking is essential.

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We only know about these massive cover ups, We only

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know about the billions siphoned out of Russia or the

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illegal iron ore operations in India because these specific individuals

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possessed an almost incomprehensible level of courage. They brought the receipts,

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they looked directly at the terrifying machinery of power, and

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they decided that the truth was worth more than their

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own physical safety.

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Speaker 1: And that leads me to a final provocative thought. I

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want to leave you with today a concept that lingers

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heavily over all of this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what is it?

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Speaker 1: Think about the sheer scale of the effort used to

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silence these people. These powerful entities went to unimaginable brutal

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lengths to erase these individuals. But didn't they ultimately fail?

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Speaker 2: That is a fascinating paradox. How do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Yes, their physical bodies were tragically removed, the assassins succeed

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in stopping their breathing. But the fact that you and

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I are sitting here today reading their names and their

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discoveries out loud on thrilling threads, it means their truths

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became immortal.

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Speaker 2: Ah, I see, by.

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Speaker 1: Trying so desperately to silence them, the powers that be

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actually amplified their voices forever.

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Speaker 2: The act of suppression cemented their legacy. The machinery of

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silence ultimately manufactured their immortality.

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Speaker 1: Exactly you know? Address this to you, our listener. Which

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of these cases makes you question the official narrative the most?

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It's a lot to process, and honestly deeply, ask yourself

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if you were in their shoes holding a piece of

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dangerous truth that could change the world but cost you

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your life, would you publish it or would you bury

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it to protect yourself?

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Speaker 2: It requires profound self reflection.

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Speaker 1: We want to know your stand Leave a comment down below,

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and let's keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on this deep

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dive into the source material. It is an honor to

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guide you through these historical shadows.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you for giving us your time. Keep questioning

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the narrative, and remember the next time you are walking

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home and the quiet of the evening, think of the

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people who walk that same path carrying the weight of

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the truth. We will see you next time I'm throwing threads.

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Take care everyone,