Speaker 1: Who says he will no longer hide the truth move.
Speaker 1: Lazarre claims our government captured alien spaceships UFOs and keeps
Speaker 1: them in a secret warehouse. And that's not all, Bob says,
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam hired him to figure out how they fly.
Speaker 1: If you're skeptical, you have plenty of company. Lazarre has
Speaker 1: been questioned and criticized. He even had to take a
Speaker 1: lie detective test, and that's when some people started believing him.
Speaker 1: Van Housley has the inside report. Man wants to blow
Speaker 1: the lid off what could be the greatest story never told,
Speaker 1: and the people who seem to be trying to stop him.
Speaker 2: Strange lights over Las Vegas, within view of tourists and
Speaker 2: gamblers along the city's Casino Road. What are the odds
Speaker 2: these are alien spacecrafts out for an evening spin? Or
Speaker 2: would you bet they're simply standard aircraft or worse yet,
Speaker 2: some kind of hopes. Before you decide, take a look
Speaker 2: at another shot on this home video where what does
Speaker 2: appear to be an aircraft Stray's interview along with the lights.
Speaker 3: Strange things like.
Speaker 2: This have been appearing over the Nevada Desert for years.
Speaker 2: The answer to the mystery may lie in the sprawling
Speaker 2: Nevada nuclear test site just north of the city, in
Speaker 2: a place called Area fifty one. Area fifty one is
Speaker 2: known by other names Groom Lake, Dreamland, the skunk Works.
Speaker 2: It's an isolated military facility where the US developed its
Speaker 2: most top secret projects. The U two spyplane was developed here,
Speaker 2: so was its replacement, the high flying Blackbird, along with
Speaker 2: the current stealth aircraft and star Wars. But there are
Speaker 2: some who believe these formerly secret projects are nothing compared
Speaker 2: to what's currently under wraps. Not too many people live
Speaker 2: out here in the remote sections of the Nevada Desert,
Speaker 2: far from the lights of Las Vegas, but here on
Speaker 2: the edge of the secret US government test facilities, people
Speaker 2: who have been seeing strange things for years. Some of
Speaker 2: them talk about it, a lot of them don't. But
Speaker 2: no one who has actually worked on the test site
Speaker 2: or talked about what goes on there, No one that
Speaker 2: is until now.
Speaker 4: They are actively.
Speaker 5: And having their possession alien spacecraft, and they are actively
Speaker 5: undergoing analysis and flying and flying them.
Speaker 2: Bob Lazaar is an engineer and a physicist. He says
Speaker 2: he worked on flying saucers for the US government at
Speaker 2: Area fifty one through these sketches of one of nine
Speaker 2: different saucers, he says the government has in a secret warehouse.
Speaker 2: Lazar gave the saucers each names according to their various shapes.
Speaker 2: Top Hat, the sport model, the Jello mold called in
Speaker 2: to help figure out how they work. Lazarre says the
Speaker 2: saucers are powered by an anti matter generator fueled with
Speaker 2: an element which he says could only have come from
Speaker 2: another planet.
Speaker 3: They set up.
Speaker 5: And produced their own gravitational field.
Speaker 3: Just as the Earth holds all matter down.
Speaker 5: They produce that same field, but out of phase, and
Speaker 5: it repels itself. The effects that can cause. The way
Speaker 5: in which everything operates is by all intensive purposes magic.
Speaker 5: I mean, it is so far beyond our level of technology.
Speaker 2: Now, before you toss Lazar on the pile with all
Speaker 2: the other UFO wackos, understand that he willingly agreed to
Speaker 2: take a lie detector test requested and independently arranged by
Speaker 2: a Las Vegas reporter. Terry Tabernetti is the ex cop
Speaker 2: who administered the test.
Speaker 6: If he's lying, he had been Hollywood because he gave
Speaker 6: absolutely no physiological indications of the tempting deception.
Speaker 2: Lazarre says he was referred to his government job by
Speaker 2: doctor Edward Teller, the renowned scientist who helped develop the
Speaker 2: atomic bomb, but in a rare interview with Inside Report,
Speaker 2: Teller insisted he doesn't know Lazar, or at least does
Speaker 2: remember him. I think it appears that someone's trying away
Speaker 2: from Mount George Knapp is the Las Vegas TV reporter
Speaker 2: who first aired to Bob Lazar's amazing planes. He says
Speaker 2: he ran into unusual problems just trying to look into
Speaker 2: Lazar's background. The Lazarre claimed who have once worked at
Speaker 2: they lost Alamo's National Laboratory. Government officials denied they knew
Speaker 2: anything about him, but when Napp came up with a
Speaker 2: phone directory listing Lazar's name, Los Alamost grudgingly admitted he
Speaker 2: had spent some time there. Officials at the hospital where
Speaker 2: Lazar was born even denied the simple fact he was
Speaker 2: born there until Nap tracked down the doctor who delivered Lazar.
Speaker 2: I find Bob to be credible, and the main reason
Speaker 2: is because the story hasn't changed. It stayed from the beginning.
Speaker 2: It's been the same, It hasn't expanded like some of
Speaker 2: these UFO tails you hear has been the same, and
Speaker 2: we've been through a lot of different interview sessions, many
Speaker 2: on camera, many more off camera, and it stayed exactly
Speaker 2: the same, consistent. But even inside the community of UFO believers,
Speaker 2: there are many who are skeptical of Bob Lazar's claims.
Speaker 2: Nuclear physicists stand in freedom and says Blazaar may indeed
Speaker 2: be the real thing, but he says he can also
Speaker 2: believe Lazar might be a hoaster or worse yet, a
Speaker 2: government agent's false stories designed to cover more important secrets.
Speaker 7: I find Bob Lazarre as somebody who isn't silly, who
Speaker 7: does say totally stupid things, who comes across will but
Speaker 7: I certainly until I get verification, cannot endorse the legitimacy
Speaker 7: of what he is saying.
Speaker 2: Bob Lazaarre says he quit his job working on the
Speaker 2: government saucers when his bosses began harassing him because he
Speaker 2: was letting others in on.
Speaker 4: The big secret.
Speaker 2: But now that others are greeting his claims with skepticism
Speaker 2: and outright hostility, he says he wishes he just kept
Speaker 2: his big mouth shut. Lazaar says he never took the
Speaker 2: idea of breaking security lightly. He just wanted to let
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 4: In on a story.
Speaker 2: He says, we all should have been told.
Speaker 3: Why keep a.
Speaker 5: Secret about probably one of the most important events in history,
Speaker 5: that there's been contact from an alien civilization. It's a
Speaker 5: significant event in history, more significant than anything.
Speaker 8: Could be.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 9: See, I was paid by the Department of Naval Intelligence,
Speaker 9: and what they're doing researching extraterrestrial craft is beyond me,
Speaker 9: but that's where my checks came from, so I can
Speaker 9: only assume that they were in charge of that.
Speaker 3: I was put into the briefing room with.
Speaker 9: A one hundred and twenty one or twenty two briefings
Speaker 9: and really was just told to sit and read through them.
Speaker 3: Supposedly the information.
Speaker 9: Now, this isn't something that I determined, it's something I
Speaker 9: was told that the crafts originated from a planet that
Speaker 9: orbited the Zeta reticularly star system, Zata articularly one, and
Speaker 9: Zeta reticularly two or two stars of a binary star system.
Speaker 9: The craft allegedly came from there. One or two autopsy
Speaker 9: photographs I saw dealt with just a small photograph a
Speaker 9: bus shot essentially just head, shoulders and chest of an
Speaker 9: alien with a chest was cut open in tea fashion,
Speaker 9: and one single organ was removed, the organ itself, and
Speaker 9: the other picture was cut in vivisection, essentially the showing
Speaker 9: the different chambers in there. This was totally unrelated to
Speaker 9: anything I was doing.
Speaker 3: But from that photograph.
Speaker 9: It looked like what you see in UFO lore as
Speaker 9: the typical gray.
Speaker 3: So how tall it was.
Speaker 9: From what I could see, I couldn't tell because I only.
Speaker 3: Saw a portion of the photograph.
Speaker 9: But if everything else you see is correct, I would
Speaker 9: imagine it was three and a half or four feet tall.
Speaker 9: But there again, you know, all I had to see
Speaker 9: was a photograph, and.
Speaker 3: You know I didn't have much to go on.
Speaker 9: Allegedly, this interaction has occurred since you know, man was
Speaker 9: a simian creature, and you know there were genetic alterations made.
Speaker 10: How specifically did the briefings detail how the aliens manipulated
Speaker 10: our genetics over the centuries.
Speaker 9: It mentioned sixty five or sixty three for or additions
Speaker 9: to the genetic makeup that finally resulted in, you know,
Speaker 9: a human creature.
Speaker 3: Allegedly.
Speaker 9: Obviously I didn't see this, and I don't know what
Speaker 9: to be fact, but this is what I was told
Speaker 9: that I was hired to replace one of a couple
Speaker 9: people that were killed while working on one of the
Speaker 9: reactors from one of the crafts. Apparently, they for whatever
Speaker 9: reason cut open an operating reactor and the device exploded,
Speaker 9: killing both of them the scientists.
Speaker 3: That were killed there.
Speaker 9: Allegedly, the detonation from the explosion was fairly large. It
Speaker 9: would have rivaled a small tactical nuke. So it was
Speaker 9: done at the Nevada test site and it was to
Speaker 9: be passed off as an unannounced nuclear test. Again, this
Speaker 9: is a story that was related to me and allegedly
Speaker 9: what happened in seventy nine, there was some sort of
Speaker 9: information exchange going on where there were actually live a
Speaker 9: at the facility, and at one particular point there was
Speaker 9: an area where some security personnel went to enter and
Speaker 9: apparently because not the side arms, but the bullets and
Speaker 9: the side arms, from what I understand, if they would
Speaker 9: have entered the area, the bullets would have detonated, and
Speaker 9: supposedly one of the creatures tried to stop the security
Speaker 9: personnel from entering the area and a fight ensued and
Speaker 9: the bottom line from the altercation was that the security
Speaker 9: personnel I don't remember how many were involved, but were
Speaker 9: all killed and they died of head wounds. And that's
Speaker 9: all that all that I heard of that story. There
Speaker 9: were twenty two people with Majestic clearance. I had Majestic clearance.
Speaker 9: Majestic clearance was designated as clearance thirty eight levels above
Speaker 9: Q clearance, and Q clearance is the civilian top secret clearance.
Speaker 9: It probably really hit me when I got inside the
Speaker 9: craft and looked around and began to understand how the
Speaker 9: craft was operated, and finally grasped the whole project as
Speaker 9: a whole, as what we were doing, the fact that
Speaker 9: we weren't building this thing. We were trying to find
Speaker 9: out how it was made. We were back engineering it. Normally,
Speaker 9: the bus pulled around to the opposite end of the facility,
Speaker 9: which was the main entrance, and that's where we went
Speaker 9: in on this particular occasion. It pulled up to one
Speaker 9: of the hanger doors which were normally closed, and the
Speaker 9: last one was open. We came out and I saw
Speaker 9: the disc in the hangar. Upon seeing it, it struck
Speaker 9: me that, well, this explains all the UFO sidings, not
Speaker 9: thinking that it was an extraterrestrial craft, that this must
Speaker 9: have been some advanced form of fighter that we've been
Speaker 9: working on for years, and you know, people have just
Speaker 9: caught it being tested, so on and so forth, and
Speaker 9: it never even occurred to me, even though I was
Speaker 9: looking at it an extraterrestrial vehicle that you know this
Speaker 9: wasn't man made. People have asserted that, boy, that must
Speaker 9: have been the most exciting time in your life, and
Speaker 9: that's not the way it was when I first got
Speaker 9: to look inside the craft. All I can say it's
Speaker 9: an ominous feeling.
Speaker 3: You walk in there and it feels as if you
Speaker 3: shouldn't be there.
Speaker 9: I know it sounds kind of corny, but it's a
Speaker 9: real ominous feeling.
Speaker 3: It's not an exciting feeling.
Speaker 9: It brings up a whole lot of questions in your mind,
Speaker 9: well where did this come from? And you know that
Speaker 9: they won't give you the answers to the whole story,
Speaker 9: but it's that's the only way I can describe it.
Speaker 9: There are nine and their shapes vary. I only got
Speaker 9: to do a close inspection on one of them. The
Speaker 9: others I just briefly saw, and they pretty much vary it.
Speaker 3: I give everything nicknames there.
Speaker 9: The one I worked on was kind of sleek looking,
Speaker 9: and I give it the name of the sport. There
Speaker 9: was one that looked like a gello mole. There was
Speaker 9: one that looked like.
Speaker 3: A top hat.
Speaker 9: There was a disc that was turned up on its
Speaker 9: side and it had a large projectile hole with a
Speaker 9: metal bent outwards on it. I can only surmise they
Speaker 9: were testing it to see if a projectile could penetrate it.
Speaker 9: Of course, it's just a guess on my part. But
Speaker 9: for the most part they were pretty varied. I only
Speaker 9: entered the Sport model. The other ones I wasn't allowed
Speaker 9: to loiter around, to go near, really even to look at.
Speaker 9: I just at one point walking through the hanger doors.
Speaker 9: All the bay doors between all the hangers were open,
Speaker 9: and I got a glimpse all the way down the
Speaker 9: whole corridor, but that was the only time it was
Speaker 9: ever open, and there.
Speaker 3: Were three large gravity amplifiers.
Speaker 9: These devices looked like about a two foot diameter four
Speaker 9: foot long piece of pipe hanging a smaller piece of
Speaker 9: pipe from the level above, and they can be independently
Speaker 9: positioned and that's what emits the gravitational waves that propel
Speaker 9: the craft. The second level was the only other level
Speaker 9: that I was on that was the main level that
Speaker 9: contained the reactor where the seating was the gravity amplifiers themselves,
Speaker 9: though we also called the devices that hung down on
Speaker 9: the lower level the gravity amplifiers, because there were really
Speaker 9: one and the same. There were probably the wave guides
Speaker 9: or horns if you want to relate that to microwaves.
Speaker 9: It would be extremely inconvenient for a human pilot. Humans
Speaker 9: really can't even function in there because of the ceiling clearance.
Speaker 3: The seats were so tiny.
Speaker 9: It was obviously made for a creature much smaller than
Speaker 9: a human. It produces a gravity wave, which is similar
Speaker 9: to the gravity wave that the Earth produces. However, the
Speaker 9: craft phase shifts the wave. In other words, it turns
Speaker 9: the wave not really an opposite polarity, but something to
Speaker 9: that effect, where it will work against the natural gravity
Speaker 9: wave of the Earth and it produces a lift in
Speaker 9: that effect. Well, the craft generates its own gravitational field.
Speaker 9: Being inside that field essentially doesn't shield you, but essentially
Speaker 9: you're in, and this is a terrible way to say it,
Speaker 9: almost in a different realm, because you're now influenced only
Speaker 9: that by that gravitational field. For instance, people wonder how
Speaker 9: a craft like this can make a turn at such
Speaker 9: high speed a ninety degree turn. When they would imagine
Speaker 9: people slamming up against the wall or something to that effect, Well,
Speaker 9: that really wouldn't happen. Inertia would have no effect. You're
Speaker 9: in a distortion. Don't forget that gravity distorts time and space,
Speaker 9: so really nothing is going to influence you while you're
Speaker 9: in there. There are three amplifiers the craft can operate
Speaker 9: on a single one can lift off the ground.
Speaker 4: The way in which gets propelled.
Speaker 3: Are two different ways.
Speaker 9: There's what they call omicron configuration where the craft is
Speaker 9: using one generator, or delta configuration where it's utilizing all three.
Speaker 9: Delta configuration would be for space travel. Essentially, the craft
Speaker 9: will tilt up on its side, as opposed to a
Speaker 9: science fiction mover where you see a flying saucer moving around,
Speaker 9: The craft will tilt up on its side, focus the
Speaker 9: three gravity generators to a single point and move.
Speaker 3: Through space that way.
Speaker 9: Moving around a source of gravity is a problem to
Speaker 9: a disk because it's interference essentially, So what they do
Speaker 9: is they work with that interference to their benefit. I'll
Speaker 9: use one gravity generator to lift the craft off the ground,
Speaker 9: and as opposed to what we're used to, for instance,
Speaker 9: a plane. Once it's in the air, we envision thrust
Speaker 9: or some force coming out the back of it to
Speaker 9: push it forward.
Speaker 4: The crafts work completely opposite of that.
Speaker 9: What they do is once they're hovering in the air,
Speaker 9: they'll swing the gravity two remaining gravity generators up in
Speaker 9: front of them and create a distortion, essentially a down hill,
Speaker 9: and the craft rolls downhill. For infinity, it's always chasing
Speaker 9: a little distortion. That's why they look goofy when they
Speaker 9: fly around at low speed, because they're essentially and anytime
Speaker 9: you run over the gravity field around the Earth is
Speaker 9: not completely constant and stable. Depending on the minerals and
Speaker 9: density of the Earth underneath it, the gravity will vary
Speaker 9: somewhat and you will get odd movements of the craft.
Speaker 9: So it's low speed mode is kind of unstable for
Speaker 9: the most part.
Speaker 3: I only witnessed one test flight.
Speaker 9: Up close, officially that I was just inside the hangar.
Speaker 9: The test was going off probably you know, just as
Speaker 9: the sun was going down, and it was a low
Speaker 9: performance test. I believe there were some pilots or test
Speaker 9: pilots in the craft. The craft must have been retrofitted
Speaker 9: to fit them, because the seating arrangements were really not accommodating.
Speaker 9: They were in radio communication with the craft. The craft
Speaker 9: lifted off the ground virtually noiseless, other than a small
Speaker 9: corona discharge on the bottom of the craft indicating the
Speaker 9: presence of high voltage that dissipated at about thirty feet
Speaker 9: and it stood there completely silently and moved over to
Speaker 9: the left and to the right and sat back down.
Speaker 9: That was the entire test. However, that was an extremely
Speaker 9: impressive test. Maybe to someone that really knows little about
Speaker 9: science or anything that that wouldn't be a whole lot.
Speaker 9: But you have to realize this craft was about fifty
Speaker 9: two feet in diameter. I don't know exactly how much
Speaker 9: it weighed, but it weighed a lot. And this was
Speaker 9: quite quite a scientific feat to lift something completely silently
Speaker 9: under control and you know, perform a maneuver like that.
Speaker 9: The craft itself was I assume it was metal. It
Speaker 9: was cold to the touch, That's why I say it
Speaker 9: was metal. But it was a brushed aluminum actually just
Speaker 9: an unfinished stainless steel, a not shiny finish to It
Speaker 9: had no seams. It was as if it was injection
Speaker 9: molded from one giant dye.
Speaker 3: I was completely amazed.
Speaker 9: I gravity is something difficult to explain because it's something
Speaker 9: that we essentially don't understand. It's just something that we
Speaker 9: can observe. Not much is really known about gravity, any
Speaker 9: theories about it, but they are just mainly theories or
Speaker 9: theories of gravitons, which alleged that these are these subatomic
Speaker 9: particles that act like an attractive force like gravity, that
Speaker 9: exchange between two pieces of matter. There is also a
Speaker 9: theory that gravity is a form of wave and electromagnetic wave.
Speaker 4: But basically gravity is a force.
Speaker 9: It's the attraction it well, it was the inherent property
Speaker 9: of matter to have gravity, a mutual attraction for each other.
Speaker 9: And that's It's basically all that we really know modern science.
Speaker 9: Current science right now identifies one gravity. It's one force
Speaker 9: in nature, apparently through research it has for or information
Speaker 9: gained from one of the crafts they were researching there.
Speaker 9: It appears that there are two different forms of gravity.
Speaker 9: One form works on an atomic scale, on sub atomic particles,
Speaker 9: holding pieces of matter, holding atoms themselves together, and other
Speaker 9: works on a larger scale, the scale most familiar with
Speaker 9: holding planets in orbit, holding ourselves to the ground, things
Speaker 9: of that sort because it produces a gravitational field. I
Speaker 9: wouldn't say the craft is invisible during the day. However,
Speaker 9: if you're under the craft, because of the way the
Speaker 9: gravity is being used, gravity bends time and space, and
Speaker 9: it bends light. If you are looking underneath the craft
Speaker 9: or from certain vantage points, you will actually see what's
Speaker 9: above the It's really a trick of the way light
Speaker 9: bends under the influence of gravity. For instance, we can
Speaker 9: see stars that are behind the Sun that are blocked
Speaker 9: from our view by the Sun. The reason we can
Speaker 9: see them is because the Sun is a tremendous gravitational
Speaker 9: field and it's bending the light around it where we
Speaker 9: can see the star. Space, time, and gravity are all
Speaker 9: essentially interrelated. They all act on one another. Gravity bends space.
Speaker 9: Gravity also distorts time. When you vary one, you essentially
Speaker 9: vary the other two. If you, as an example, if
Speaker 9: you have a massive body, say a planet or something
Speaker 9: that's making a lot of gravity, producing a lot of
Speaker 9: gravitational waves, if you will, it distorts space, it bends
Speaker 9: space to it. It also slows down time. These things
Speaker 9: aren't theories. We know them to be true. We cannot
Speaker 9: artificially create this because we can't create gravity, but.
Speaker 3: This is how they're all interrelated.
Speaker 10: How are vast distances of space traveled by amplifying a
Speaker 10: gravitational field.
Speaker 9: Well, because space, time, and gravity are all in related.
Speaker 9: If you could produce gravity artificially, an extremely intense feel
Speaker 9: to gravity, what you could do is actually distort the
Speaker 9: distance between two objects and make it shorter. Not just
Speaker 9: distorting the distance, but now you're also decreasing the time,
Speaker 9: the actual time between the two places, so you're not
Speaker 9: traveling in a linear mode like flying a spacecraft from
Speaker 9: point A to point B. You've actually modified the time
Speaker 9: and the space that you travel in. So you're now
Speaker 9: traversing a huge amount of distance with little time, and
Speaker 9: actually with traveling little distance. As crazy as it seems,
Speaker 9: that's what's going on. There are several problems traveling at
Speaker 9: the speed of light. Just a couple of them are
Speaker 9: the fact that as your speed increases, so does your
Speaker 9: mass proportionally. In other words, the more energy you put
Speaker 9: in to.
Speaker 3: Go faster.
Speaker 9: Begins to slow you down by the fact that it's
Speaker 9: converted into mass. You have other problems like just traveling
Speaker 9: at such an extreme velocity, navigational problems, the fact that
Speaker 9: you might run into little tiny micro meteorites at speeds
Speaker 9: like this, they would undoubtedly destroy your craft. There's just
Speaker 9: a whole host of problems that you're going to run
Speaker 9: into just attempting to do something like that, aside from
Speaker 9: the fact the amount of energy required to accelerate to
Speaker 9: the speed of light is horrendous. Project Sidekick was another
Speaker 9: project going on with Galileo. Galileo was the project that
Speaker 9: I was involved in. Sidekick dealt with any of the
Speaker 9: weapon potential of the craft, whether or not the craft
Speaker 9: had a weapon in it or could it be used
Speaker 9: as a weapon. But it's had something to do with
Speaker 9: some sort of particle beam configuration where the gravity generator
Speaker 9: can be used as a lens focus a weapon of
Speaker 9: some sort, similar to the SDI device we were working
Speaker 9: on in the the eighties, but with the potential of
Speaker 9: a focusing device using the gravity generator. Project looking Glass
Speaker 9: dealt with the distortion, the fact that there's a time distortion,
Speaker 9: essentially looking back in time, and by that I do
Speaker 9: not mean looking back years ago to see the wagon
Speaker 9: train days. They're looking for distortions that are milliseconds in
Speaker 9: time and what that was used for. I don't know,
Speaker 9: but that was just observing the time that the time
Speaker 9: distortion time dilation phenomena. The craft in operation one fifteen
Speaker 9: is strictly an extraterrestrial material. It probably occurs naturally in
Speaker 9: some other places, maybe other star systems. Some people not
Speaker 9: familiar with science or chemistry say, well, that's ridiculous. All
Speaker 9: the elements occur on Earth, you know, But that's not true.
Speaker 9: There are elements on the periodic chart that aren't found
Speaker 9: on Earth. I believe the heavy ion research lab in Darms, Dot,
Speaker 9: Germany has reached element one twelve recently, so one fifteen
Speaker 9: isn't isn't that far away? And when they synthesize it,
Speaker 9: it's not like they're making a couple ounces of it.
Speaker 9: They're talking about one or two atoms of it. To
Speaker 9: make any usable quantity of a heavy alment like that
Speaker 9: is virtually impossible. Element fifteen is in the top of
Speaker 9: the reactor, and the base of the reactor apparently is
Speaker 9: a small something similar to a cyclotron.
Speaker 3: It's a particle accelerator.
Speaker 9: A particle is accelerated to high speed and then deflected
Speaker 9: up a small tube and it's aimed at the one fifteen.
Speaker 9: This transmutes the one fifteen, similar to the way we
Speaker 9: we do that in a normal particle accelerator. This causes
Speaker 9: a reaction, a radiation emission that we really haven't seen before.
Speaker 9: It produces antimatter. This antimatter is guided down a tuned
Speaker 9: tube and reacts with a gas. When matter and antimatter react,
Speaker 9: they convert to one hundred percent energy. This energy is
Speaker 9: converted heat. Energy is converted to electrical power in the
Speaker 9: reactor itself. This is done through a thermoelectric converter, and
Speaker 9: this electrical power is used to power other subsystems on
Speaker 9: the craft, though there is no wiring you know as.
Speaker 3: Also that's almost a byproduct of the reactor.
Speaker 9: The reactor also sets up a gravitational wave from the
Speaker 9: one point fifteen being bombarded. This gravitational wave is present
Speaker 9: at the top of the reactor and is essentially guided
Speaker 9: in the same way microwaves are guided through tuned tubes
Speaker 9: and this goes to their amplifying cabin and through the
Speaker 9: projectors that are in the bottom of the craft. There
Speaker 9: is no thermal radiation while the reactor is running. The
Speaker 9: thermionic generator is one hundred percent efficient, which is in
Speaker 9: violation of the first law thermodynamics, but in fact it works.
Speaker 9: Element one fifteen is stable, and for those familiar with chemistry,
Speaker 9: we know that elements with higher atomic numbers have shorter
Speaker 9: and shorter half lives. However, when you reach a certain point,
Speaker 9: they call it the island of stability. There is a place,
Speaker 9: and weave theorizis for a long time, somewhere around one
Speaker 9: fourteen to one sixteen. There should be an area in
Speaker 9: there where the nucleus of the atom is geometrically stable
Speaker 9: with protons and neutrons, where it no longer decays, it's
Speaker 9: not radioactive.
Speaker 3: One fifteen is in fact this element.
Speaker 9: In fact, it does occur again somewhere around element two
Speaker 9: forty seven. Of course, you know, we're nowhere near synthesizing that.
Speaker 9: We can only you know, predict things like that, but
Speaker 9: that's that's where one fifteen. Whether or not it was
Speaker 9: given to us, I can't answer that question. However, I
Speaker 9: was told that we have five hundred pounds by one
Speaker 9: of my co workers. How it was obtained, and you
Speaker 9: know where exactly it came from. I don't know whether
Speaker 9: it came in one of the crafts or you know,
Speaker 9: it was separate cargo somewhere. Anyone can speculate, but I
Speaker 9: was I was told that was the figure. The test
Speaker 9: flights I saw at the base. Actually the best test
Speaker 9: flight was witnessed by my friends who I had brought
Speaker 9: out there. I at the exact moment the craft was
Speaker 9: hopping around to doing some really impressive maneuvers.
Speaker 3: I had turned around and I think.
Speaker 4: Was looking for the video camera or or something.
Speaker 3: To that effect.
Speaker 9: But I missed some of the most impressive maneuvers. But
Speaker 9: the craft was similar to what was done before that
Speaker 9: I had seen close up, other than the fact that
Speaker 9: it went above the mountain range moved a much greater
Speaker 9: distance at a much higher rate of speed. The test
Speaker 9: flight schedules were told to me specifically because I was
Speaker 9: probably going to have to be present during those times,
Speaker 9: and at that time, the test flights were taking place
Speaker 9: on Wednesday nights, and from what they said, that was
Speaker 9: because that was statistically the least amount of traffic in
Speaker 9: the area, and that's all that they were concerned about.
Speaker 3: There was a high voltage.
Speaker 9: Discharge on the bottom of the craft, but as far
Speaker 9: as there being in exhaust, there was none. Well, that's
Speaker 9: kind of the same reason why on neon light or
Speaker 9: fluorescent light lights up. What you're dealing was with is
Speaker 9: a high energy source and essentially a gas atmosphere oxygen, nitrogen,
Speaker 9: and when you apply enough energy to a gas molecule,
Speaker 9: they am at photons, they am at light, and I.
Speaker 3: Don't think it's anything.
Speaker 9: It's really a byproduct to how the craft operates. When
Speaker 9: it's emitting that much energy, the gas surrounding the craft
Speaker 9: emits light, the same reason why lightning is visible. They
Speaker 9: have a huge electrical discharge.
Speaker 4: And the gas emits light in the form of lightning BOLB.
Speaker 9: If you were going to see one of these crafts
Speaker 9: at night operating, it would appear really as a glowing
Speaker 9: ball or just a bright light in the sky from
Speaker 9: a distance. Even close up, you'd see a glowing halo
Speaker 9: around it. This is typically what you'd see in your
Speaker 9: normal UFO sighting. When I was leaving the Area fifty
Speaker 9: one facility heading down to S four, there was a
Speaker 9: tremendous roar, and I've described it as it sound like
Speaker 9: the sky was tearing and.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see out the windows of the bus.
Speaker 9: All I can see out was the very front and
Speaker 9: as we came by I asked Dennis, who was my
Speaker 9: supervisor and on the bus at that time, what that was,
Speaker 9: and said it was an Aurora I, a high altitude
Speaker 9: research plane, and.
Speaker 3: It was a large craft.
Speaker 9: And the one glimpse I got of it was from
Speaker 9: the rear and it had two huge square exhaust with
Speaker 9: veins in them, and it was just it sounded more
Speaker 9: like a rocket than a jet.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I even think he did mention that it was liquid
Speaker 9: methane powered. But there again, you know, working on the
Speaker 9: disc technology, I really could care less what was rolling
Speaker 9: around at Area fifty one, but it did catch my eye.
Speaker 9: One day, when I was getting on Interstate fifteen driving
Speaker 9: down Charleston Boulevard, a car came up alongside of me,
Speaker 9: and I thought he was just trying to race me
Speaker 9: to get on the freeway. This was after I had
Speaker 9: left the project. It was a white, boxy looking car.
Speaker 9: Exactly what making model, I don't know. But I accelerated
Speaker 9: to get on the freeway to go fast, and there
Speaker 9: was a gunshot and the back of the car was
Speaker 9: hit and I skidded off into the uh Median and
Speaker 9: I stopped, and I was frightened, and I just stood
Speaker 9: there because I thought the guy was going to be
Speaker 9: alongside of me and just shoot me.
Speaker 3: I had nothing to do.
Speaker 9: I was essentially paralyzed with fear, and I waited there
Speaker 9: and then nothing else happened.
Speaker 8: Wasn't it.
Speaker 9: I mean, it was an attempt on my life, but
Speaker 9: by who specifically, I don't know. Though I was threatened
Speaker 9: before I had left it. They threatened my wife's life
Speaker 9: in my life, so I can only put two and
Speaker 9: two together and say that they were kind of pissed
Speaker 9: at me after we were caught out when I had
Speaker 9: the test flight schedule and I brought some friends out
Speaker 9: to show him the distest we got caught out there.
Speaker 9: And the following day, I was debriefed down at Indian
Speaker 9: Springs Air Force Base and.
Speaker 3: I was in the.
Speaker 9: Room with the security guards that caught us, my supervisor
Speaker 9: and some other people and some of the security personnel. Yeah,
Speaker 9: they were essentially grilling me about security and you know.
Speaker 3: How could I possibly bring people out there?
Speaker 9: And I guess I wasn't as responsive as they would like,
Speaker 9: and they got in my face and wanted them pull
Speaker 9: the side arm out, you know, just pushed it. For
Speaker 9: a very brief time after I left Dennis, who was
Speaker 9: my supervisor, did try and make contact with me at
Speaker 9: the The meeting place was the Union Plaza Hotel, and
Speaker 9: I took a friend of mine, Jean Huff, down there
Speaker 9: and another friend, a former colleague and scientist from Los Alamos,
Speaker 9: and we did h we saw him, but I also
Speaker 9: did recognize some security personnel walking around there from us forth.
Speaker 9: Whether or not it was a setup or what was
Speaker 9: going on or was trying to talk to me, we
Speaker 9: never found out and we left. It just was a
Speaker 9: real strange situation. I never heard from him since. Well,
Speaker 9: if you want to word the question, how are my
Speaker 9: opinions changed, I would say considerably. Before I was at
Speaker 9: S four, I was more or less the one of
Speaker 9: the guys that thought, you know, all these government conspiracy
Speaker 9: and UFO bops and things like that were complete lunatics.
Speaker 9: I even remember before I was involved there, our friends
Speaker 9: showed me a little newspaper clipping and said John Lear
Speaker 9: was giving a lecture who was touting that aliens from
Speaker 9: another world came to Earth and there's seventy different species.
Speaker 9: And I remember laughing on the phone that this guy
Speaker 9: had lost his mind. And I was also under the
Speaker 9: impression that you know, well, the government's all for the
Speaker 9: people and they you know, you know, they're out here
Speaker 9: to protect us and all that. You know, after the
Speaker 9: experiences I had there, everything is completely turned around. You know,
Speaker 9: the government is doing everything but looking out for us.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing they're looking at is for themselves.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 9: Obviously the et craft do exist. Something had to build them,
Speaker 9: so there must be aliens. And since there are and
Speaker 9: the craft are there, there must be some sort of
Speaker 9: factory and an entire civilization somewhere. And if in fact
Speaker 9: that is true, and it apparently is, then there must
Speaker 9: be others, actual crafts and technology from another world. And
Speaker 9: that's probably the most important about in history. He kind
Speaker 9: of moved from science fiction into reality mind and it
Speaker 9: really just I guess opened my eyes. The big thing
Speaker 9: is whether or not we can duplicate them. If we
Speaker 9: can understand what a device is, or how something operates,
Speaker 9: or what its physical makeup is, that's great. But if
Speaker 9: we can't duplicate it, it's useless to us. So there's
Speaker 9: really two phases to the project going on there. It's
Speaker 9: understanding what we're looking at, and then once we understand
Speaker 9: it is can we duplicate it with earthly materials and
Speaker 9: earthly technology, and you know, unless we've got a handle
Speaker 9: on both of them, all that technology is useless to us.
Speaker 9: And if it turns out we can't do that, all
Speaker 9: we have is one single prized possession that we have
Speaker 9: to take care of, and that's it. I would probably
Speaker 9: have played along for a longer time. I would like
Speaker 9: to have known a little bit more about the technology
Speaker 9: and probably kept quiet if I could have, and possibly
Speaker 9: never have said anything. Yeah, I almost wish I had
Speaker 9: done that. You know, it's really only caused headaches and problems.
Speaker 9: But I believe if I was given the opportunity again
Speaker 9: to go back in time and redo it, I think
Speaker 9: I pretty much would have just shut up and gone
Speaker 9: along with the program. I would have much preferred that,
Speaker 9: instead of the Navy or whoever it was that hand
Speaker 9: picked a few renegade scientists here and there, that they
Speaker 9: turn it over to some.
Speaker 3: More qualified people.
Speaker 9: Obviously I was not the most qualified person on propulsion
Speaker 9: or field propulsure.
Speaker 3: Or anything of that sort. I was just some guy.
Speaker 9: I mean they could have picked I could have named
Speaker 9: ten or twelve other guys that were more qualified than me, But.
Speaker 3: You know, if they.
Speaker 9: Turned it over to the scientific community and not just
Speaker 9: a couple of guys here in the United States. I mean,
Speaker 9: you need a law, large group of people in a
Speaker 9: large lab to research what's going on there, not a
Speaker 9: little quiet installation. It's the security itself that prevents them
Speaker 9: from getting anywhere. I mean, they never do work hand
Speaker 9: in hand. You can't have a military mind. Science itself
Speaker 9: must communicate. You have to have a free exchange of ideas.
Speaker 9: That's how things progress. And when you clamp down on
Speaker 9: a security system like that, where you work in isolated
Speaker 9: groups and ideas cannot be exchanged, you don't get anywhere.
Speaker 9: And that's the problem they have. Well, I'm not really
Speaker 9: involved in any of that stuff anymore. That's kind of
Speaker 9: put behind me. I have my own businesses that I
Speaker 9: work at, some computer graphics, some consultation, other technical jobs,
Speaker 9: radiation detectors and a few other things like that. So
Speaker 9: really I just go about my life and that's you know,
Speaker 9: something had happened that was fantastic and it's over. But
Speaker 9: it's kind of hard to shake it loose. But eventually
Speaker 9: I will, and I'll be that. I think all the
Speaker 9: surveillance and everything stopped. I don't think anyone's bothering to
Speaker 9: monitor me. I've said everything that I know. It's been
Speaker 9: all over the place, so it's kind of.
Speaker 3: A done deal.
Speaker 9: As far as whether or not there were any craft
Speaker 9: out there, I believe, you know, they were out and
Speaker 9: gone in probably the late eighty nine early ninety and
Speaker 9: the only thing people see now out there are you know,
Speaker 9: even flares or planes coming into land.
Speaker 3: But that's about it.
Speaker 9: I was never interested in flying saucers as a child
Speaker 9: science fiction, you know, I watched Star Trek, I guess
Speaker 9: with everyone else back then, But for the most part, yeah,
Speaker 9: I didn't even believe in flying saucers up until I
Speaker 9: was employed to ask four.
Speaker 12: That you've told the story many many times. You've been
Speaker 12: grilled many many times, and it's very.
Speaker 8: Stressful for you.
Speaker 12: So I really really appreciate your time. I first heard
Speaker 12: your story decades ago. I told you last night we
Speaker 12: went out to dinner. I've seen pretty much every interview
Speaker 12: you've ever given. I've followed the story incredibly closely. But
Speaker 12: for people who don't know the story, let's give them
Speaker 12: the bullet points. You used to work at Area fifty one,
Speaker 12: an Area fifty one got you.
Speaker 9: You went like, well, you know, we want to be accurate.
Speaker 9: Ok Area S four. S four, it's about fifteen miles
Speaker 9: south of Area fifty one.
Speaker 12: Okay, you worked in what would you how would you
Speaker 12: describe it?
Speaker 9: I guess within the Area fifty one compound. You can
Speaker 9: call that a subset of Area fifty one.
Speaker 12: When did things get weird? When did you realize? At
Speaker 12: what point in time did you say, hey, this is
Speaker 12: not normal work, like, this doesn't even seem like it's
Speaker 12: from this planet.
Speaker 9: That I can't tell you what day that occurred on
Speaker 9: because so much time has gone by. The days of
Speaker 9: kind of fused into one and I can't separate day.
Speaker 8: Was it a slow.
Speaker 12: Burn or was there a moment of recognition?
Speaker 9: Well, the first inkling I had was when I came in.
Speaker 9: Normally there's this facility that is at S four. It's
Speaker 9: in the side of a mountain, and normally we had
Speaker 9: pulled in with the bus and gone around the front
Speaker 9: through a normal double door. This time that I went
Speaker 9: in there were hanger doors open. I went in through
Speaker 9: the hangar door, and in the hanger door was the
Speaker 9: disc the flying saucer that I worked on. I saw
Speaker 9: it sitting there and we walked by. It had a
Speaker 9: little American flag stuck on the side, and I thought,
Speaker 9: oh my god, this finally explains all the flying Saucer stories.
Speaker 9: This is just an advanced fighter and this is fucking hilarious.
Speaker 9: So I went by, I slipped my hand alongside it.
Speaker 9: I got reprimanded immediately for touching the thing. And there
Speaker 9: was a guy, an armed guard that followed us in
Speaker 9: and just said keep your eyes forward, in your hands
Speaker 9: at your side, and just walk in the door. So
Speaker 9: that was the first time I had seen anything that
Speaker 9: was weird. It was some time later that I was
Speaker 9: introduced to my lab partner, Barry, and we had some
Speaker 9: of the subcomponents of the craft in the lab and
Speaker 9: Barry was very anxious to get a new lab partner,
Speaker 9: so he was very talkative and couldn't wait to show
Speaker 9: me different things. And it was in the demonstration of
Speaker 9: the reactor working where it caught my attention to where
Speaker 9: this is technology that doesn't even exist. So, I mean,
Speaker 9: that was the first time I knew that this is
Speaker 9: really something different.
Speaker 12: What was it? What was what was it about this
Speaker 12: reactor that made you think that it didn't exist technologically?
Speaker 9: Well, it was the I actually have to back up
Speaker 9: because there were some briefings that I read it before
Speaker 9: that that, you know, certainly gave me the impression that
Speaker 9: this was going to be a weird job. But this
Speaker 9: was the first hands on thing. This was a small
Speaker 9: reactor about the size of a hemisphere, about the size
Speaker 9: of a basketball, on a metal plate, and when it
Speaker 9: was running, it produced a gravitational field, a gravitational field
Speaker 9: of its own. Now, this is something that we can't do.
Speaker 9: We can't produce any gravity. The only way we get
Speaker 9: gravity is from large quantities of mass. But there's no
Speaker 9: machine we can have that turns on that makes gravity.
Speaker 9: Like you know, you can turn on an electromagnet and
Speaker 9: it makes a magnetic field. We can't make a gravitational field. Anyway.
Speaker 9: This device was producing that, and Bury said, almost like
Speaker 9: he was bragging, go ahead, try and try and touch
Speaker 9: the sphere and I couldn't. It pushed my hands away,
Speaker 9: just like two light poles of a magnet.
Speaker 12: So that was uh so like when you take two
Speaker 12: magnets and trying to press them together and there yeahs
Speaker 12: each other.
Speaker 9: Yeah, kind of could cushioned feeling, but you can't. You
Speaker 9: can't get them together. The closer you put them, the
Speaker 9: more they pushed.
Speaker 12: But you felt that physically with my hand.
Speaker 9: Yeah, now there's nothing, there's nothing that does that. And
Speaker 9: that immediately caught my attention, going, wow, this is something else.
Speaker 12: What was your thought like when you felt that and
Speaker 12: you knew that there was nothing that you were aware
Speaker 12: of that could.
Speaker 9: Prevent Then that that connected me to the briefings that
Speaker 9: I read on the first day at S four was that,
Speaker 9: you know, everything that I had read was apparently accurate.
Speaker 12: What were you reading?
Speaker 9: I read it was kind of an overview. This project
Speaker 9: was to back engineer the alien craft, and specifically it
Speaker 9: was to try and back engineer and see if we
Speaker 9: can duplicate the technology with available materials. Now, to do this,
Speaker 9: they split the project into you know, many different pieces
Speaker 9: for several reasons. They do this in all classified projects,
Speaker 9: so nobody has the complete story, but they compartmentalize everything. Now,
Speaker 9: we had the power and propulsion system, so what the
Speaker 9: briefings they gave me were like a one or two
Speaker 9: page overview of some of the other projects that were
Speaker 9: going on, you know, in the craft. The only reason
Speaker 9: they do that is just in case what you're working
Speaker 9: on is connected intimately in some way that we don't
Speaker 9: know after one of the other projects, you have to
Speaker 9: know there excuse me their existence. So you know, I
Speaker 9: again everything from metallurgy to you know, weapon potential of
Speaker 9: the craft, and these were all, you know, essentially very
Speaker 9: short briefings. But mine was just power and propulsion, and
Speaker 9: it made it very clear that what I read was accurate.
Speaker 12: So when you're reading that before you actually saw the reactor,
Speaker 12: what were your thoughts on what they were describing. If
Speaker 12: you knew that something like that didn't exist and they're
Speaker 12: describing it in the briefings, what did you think you
Speaker 12: were going to see?
Speaker 9: I really I didn't know at the time. I mean
Speaker 9: I was reading. I thought, is this is some kind
Speaker 9: of test see if you're crazy, well, not to see
Speaker 9: if I'm crazy to you know, a lot of times
Speaker 9: they'll take in real high security.
Speaker 3: Jobs.
Speaker 9: I mean they'll intentionally insert nonsense into them, whether it's
Speaker 9: to confuse the fact or if for someone was to
Speaker 9: leak it out, they would carry that information along and
Speaker 9: know where it came from. So I read through the documents,
Speaker 9: but you know, I didn't know if this was you know,
Speaker 9: part of some kind of test or you know, or what,
Speaker 9: or was it potentially realistic? I mean I really didn't
Speaker 9: consider it all that possible as far as being the
Speaker 9: actual thing that I was going to work on.
Speaker 8: At the time.
Speaker 9: They had nine craft altogether. I only got hands on
Speaker 9: with one of them, so I can't really say what
Speaker 9: the how the others operated.
Speaker 12: Did you see the other ones?
Speaker 9: Yeah, at one time, and only one time. The bay
Speaker 9: doors that between the hangars were all open and I
Speaker 9: could see all the way through.
Speaker 12: And were they all exactly the same?
Speaker 9: No, they were all different, different shapes.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but they were all from somewhere else.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, Now did anyone make any attempt to explain or
Speaker 12: to tell you where they came from?
Speaker 9: No, no, No one is the least bit interested in
Speaker 9: letting everybody know all the facts. They want to give
Speaker 9: you the minimum information that's necessary to complete your task.
Speaker 9: So you're not getting the story of where they came from.
Speaker 9: You're not getting the story of how much progress other
Speaker 9: people are making. Just focus on the small component.
Speaker 12: But they gave you some indication that they've been working
Speaker 12: on these for a while. Yeah, when do you think
Speaker 12: they acquired these?
Speaker 9: I really couldn't say I think they've been around for
Speaker 9: a while. The amount of power we're dealing with is astronomical.
Speaker 9: I mean, to affect gravity to produce the effects like
Speaker 9: this equipment does, takes huge amounts of power. And I've
Speaker 9: given the example before of you know, taking a small
Speaker 9: portable nuclear reactor and you know, putting it back into
Speaker 9: Victorian times, you know, with the scientists of the time,
Speaker 9: and just dropping it in a room and they come
Speaker 9: and look at it and see that it's producing power
Speaker 9: and wonder how it works. That they start taking it apart,
Speaker 9: and as soon as they get some of the shielding off,
Speaker 9: the people are going to drop dead because of the
Speaker 9: radiation inside. Now people have no idea that radiation even
Speaker 9: exists back then, but anybody that comes into check on
Speaker 9: them will also drop dead. And you know, there's no
Speaker 9: reason that that exact scenario couldn't happen. With what we're
Speaker 9: dealing with. We have no idea how the physics operate
Speaker 9: within this thing. The power levels are are, like I said, astronomical.
Speaker 9: It's incredibly dangerous to tinker with something like that. And
Speaker 9: you know, in some respects we were guinea pigs just
Speaker 9: try to find out how to make this thing. Well,
Speaker 9: essentially what they ask is what I said. We are
Speaker 9: just to gather as much information as possible, find out
Speaker 9: how it operates, and see if we can duplicate it.
Speaker 12: So they you where it was from. They never let
Speaker 12: you ask questions about where it's from.
Speaker 9: Well, if the information I read in the briefings was accurate,
Speaker 9: Now what I do have to say is the information
Speaker 9: that pertained directly to the reactor was accurate. What I read,
Speaker 9: I mean, did jive with reality in terms of how
Speaker 9: in terms of how it was made, how what we saw,
Speaker 9: how it operated, the materials, how it you know, turned on,
Speaker 9: and what was discovered discovered about it. So there was
Speaker 9: some paperwork that indicated that this was from the Zeta
Speaker 9: Reticularly star system. Now, yeah, now how they obtained that,
Speaker 9: I haven't the slightest idea. But it wasn't just from
Speaker 9: the Zeta Reticularly star system. It was what they called
Speaker 9: ZR III. So it was a third planet in that
Speaker 9: star system. So there was no other information about it
Speaker 9: other than that's supposedly where.
Speaker 3: The craft came from.
Speaker 9: Now is that true?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I have no way of verifying that. But that was
Speaker 9: printed in the same materials that referenced the reactor. Now,
Speaker 9: I looked that stuff up when I went home, and
Speaker 9: Zeta reticularly is a binary star two stars at or
Speaker 9: orbit one another, and it's only visible in the southern
Speaker 9: hemisphere and it's about thirty some model years away. So
Speaker 9: that's literally all the information I have about that. I
Speaker 9: don't know how they found out it came from there.
Speaker 12: And you also probably have some suspicions that they give
Speaker 12: you some disinformation, like you were talking about before, where
Speaker 12: they yeah, yeah too. I mean, if you ever decided
Speaker 12: to talk about this, they added a bunch of nonsense
Speaker 12: to make whatever is factual look ridiculous.
Speaker 9: Right or be able to trace it down. I go, hey,
Speaker 9: this facts came out and you know this Lazar guy
Speaker 9: said it, you know, came from Zata reticularly, so they
Speaker 9: knew it was.
Speaker 12: When we read Zeta reticularly, we're like, what in the
Speaker 12: fuck is this?
Speaker 9: Well, reading all of this stuff, it was, what the
Speaker 9: fuck is that?
Speaker 12: Do you remember the thought process when you read that
Speaker 12: it's from Zeta reticularly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it It didn't hit me like a ton of
Speaker 9: bricks or anything. It's it's like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 8: It was bullshit.
Speaker 3: I don't know where.
Speaker 9: Now I don't. I mean, because when I read it,
Speaker 9: I hadn't verified anything, and this was just a bunch
Speaker 9: of stuff I was reading. And I thought, maybe after this,
Speaker 9: they're just going to give me a test and see
Speaker 9: what I can remember in crazy information, and then it
Speaker 9: would But like I said, when I finally went in
Speaker 9: with Barry and had hands on experience with what they
Speaker 9: were talking about, it's gone a completely different meanings.
Speaker 13: And we finally get to Lear's house and he said, oh,
Speaker 13: I got to have a new friend. He just moved
Speaker 13: up here from Albuquerque. He's interviewing for a job out
Speaker 13: in the desert. He hasn't gotten it yet, but he's
Speaker 13: not He has had quite a few interviews. I think
Speaker 13: you'll like him. So about fifteen minutes after we arrived
Speaker 13: in Vegas, knocking the door, Larr goes and answers the door.
Speaker 13: The young man comes in, very pleasant, nice looking guy,
Speaker 13: and introduces himself as Bob Blazar. Wow, and we're just
Speaker 13: talking airplanes and stuff like that, and I said, hey,
Speaker 13: I got it. I got some film that I'm frustrated
Speaker 13: I got to. I can't wait till till tomorrow so
Speaker 13: I can get the film processed. He said, what kind
Speaker 13: of film? I said, go to color one hundred. He said, well,
Speaker 13: I have a processing unit at home. Let's go over
Speaker 13: to the west side of town where I live, and
Speaker 13: I'll process the film for you and we'll print print
Speaker 13: some up. See if they're see if there's anything worthwhile.
Speaker 13: So I said great. So we told John we'd be
Speaker 13: back probably in about an hour. We jumped in uh
Speaker 13: Lazar's car and we're about a block from Lear's house
Speaker 13: and Lazar looks at me, you know, he says, I
Speaker 13: feel sorry for that done.
Speaker 8: Some bit's leir.
Speaker 13: I said, what do you mean. He said, he's from
Speaker 13: He's from a real famous aviation family. He said, my god,
Speaker 13: his dad brought leer jet to the world. And this
Speaker 13: guy believes in UFOs. You got to be kiddy. And
Speaker 13: he says, I'm a nuclear physicist. If I can't prove
Speaker 13: it mathematically or put my hands on it, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 8: Said, you can't.
Speaker 13: You couldn't put a gun to my head to convince
Speaker 13: me that UFOs are real. It was Bob Lazar's statement
Speaker 13: to me. Ironic or he was hired on at S four.
Speaker 13: His story has never changed. In nineteen eighty nine, nineteen
Speaker 13: ninety he had a I think it was a deck
Speaker 13: mini computer in his house because PCs at the time
Speaker 13: were not very good, not very fast, and had limited capabilities.
Speaker 13: And he had an on a name enclosure and it
Speaker 13: was filled with processors. I mean it was nineteen inch wide,
Speaker 13: you know, it was a twenty four inch deep and
Speaker 13: six foot tall.
Speaker 8: That was his computer back.
Speaker 13: In nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety. And then shortly thereafter
Speaker 13: I got a year later, George Knapp has a guy
Speaker 13: named Jared Silhouetted altered the votes the voice talking about
Speaker 13: doing reverse engineering on alien spacecraft. And that was my
Speaker 13: introduction to Bob Wizar.
Speaker 14: And well he since changed his story that he believes
Speaker 14: in the UFOs.
Speaker 8: Now, oh, absolutely absolutely so.
Speaker 13: And I you know, I've stayed I stayed true to
Speaker 13: my feelings about Bob. There's all sorts of speculation, Oh,
Speaker 13: he's a plant, this and this and that, and he
Speaker 13: became a he became an He didn't he doesn't exist
Speaker 13: anywhere on federal records prior to nineteen eighty nine. That's
Speaker 13: when they made him a non person. Yeah, and fast
Speaker 13: forward to Desert Shield and Desert Storm and it's nineteen ninety.
Speaker 8: I'm there.
Speaker 13: I was in the I had five years active duty
Speaker 13: of ken year break, and then I had twenty one
Speaker 13: years with the Minnesota Air Guard as a traditional weekender.
Speaker 13: But my company had been shut down by the French
Speaker 13: and I was going through divorce. So I volunteered to
Speaker 13: go to you, to go to Desert Shield and Desert Storm.
Speaker 13: I even volunteered to go to Saudi Arabia for a year.
Speaker 13: But I was at I was at the Pentagon. I'm
Speaker 13: at Dark Buream, and I have but I have Bob
Speaker 13: Blazar's W two in my back pocket. And on one
Speaker 13: particular day, I had absolutely nothing to do. There was
Speaker 13: a stand down or something going on in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 13: So I decided I was going to see if I
Speaker 13: can find the location from the US Navy that paid
Speaker 13: Bob Blazar and the name the name on the W two.
Speaker 8: So I'm looking.
Speaker 13: I'm looking to the Pentagon directory, and I cannot find
Speaker 13: the specific department of Navy that paid Bob is not
Speaker 13: listed anywhere in the in the Pentagon directory.
Speaker 8: So I decided, I think it was I think it
Speaker 8: was h n C.
Speaker 3: I S.
Speaker 13: I think it was Naval Investigative Services or almost like
Speaker 13: the Navy JAG office. Found that office, and I said
Speaker 13: to see if they can tell me.
Speaker 8: So I go in there.
Speaker 13: At this particular point, I'm a I'm still a tech sergeant.
Speaker 8: I mean my.
Speaker 13: Blues, not the full dress uniform, but my light blue shirt,
Speaker 13: dark blue pants. I go in the doors open. I
Speaker 13: walk into this office. There's a young Lieutenant JG behind
Speaker 13: the behind the desk, and I said, sir, can you
Speaker 13: tell me where this department of the Navy is? And
Speaker 13: I handed him Lozar's W two. He looks at it
Speaker 13: and said, sergeant, ex give me for a second. He
Speaker 13: gets up, he goes into the two stars office. He's
Speaker 13: in there twenty thirty seconds. Comes out said the admiral
Speaker 13: will see you. Now, Now, those of you who have
Speaker 13: been in the military, especially those of you, maybe even
Speaker 13: the Navy. No two star admiral on just a hunch
Speaker 13: or whatever is going to talk to a cuke, Air
Speaker 13: Force slash Airguard enlisted person. So I go in there.
Speaker 13: I gave him, gave him a real sharp salute. Instead
Speaker 13: of saying at ease, he said parade rest. So I
Speaker 13: can tell he was irritated at me.
Speaker 8: Right then.
Speaker 13: And I'm standing there and he's holding Lazar's W two.
Speaker 13: He said, Sergeant, I don't know where you got this,
Speaker 13: but if I see your face cross the threshold of
Speaker 13: my office ever again, you'll be the most sorry Sonvintion
Speaker 13: NCO in the United States Military. Do you understand me, Sergeant?
Speaker 13: I said, yes, sir. With that, he put Lazar's W
Speaker 13: two into the shredder. Wow, you're dismissed.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 13: Bob had been a plant. If Bob had been a phony,
Speaker 13: I would not have had this reaction from the two star.
Speaker 8: He was.
Speaker 13: He was pissed because I had something a name of
Speaker 13: a Navy organization that the name is classified apparently, and
Speaker 13: that he was incredibly I mean he was. He was
Speaker 13: angry at me. I mean it wasn't well you shouldn't
Speaker 13: have had this or whatever? What do you do in
Speaker 13: my office?
Speaker 8: No, he was.
Speaker 13: I mean his eyes were big his I mean you
Speaker 13: could tell by his tone of voice and his facial expression.
Speaker 13: This two star was pissed at me.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 13: And you know when I got back to the second
Speaker 13: I just scratched my head and I said, well, probably
Speaker 13: the only reason why I got the reaction that I
Speaker 13: did is that Bob Lazar is real. He's real to me.
Speaker 13: He always has and it goes on and on. You know.
Speaker 13: The other thing that another piece of the puzzle that
Speaker 13: people ignore. Well, he's a plant. He's never done this,
Speaker 13: he's never done that. George Napp, who I've known as
Speaker 13: long as I've known John Lear, so that's you know,
Speaker 13: over fifty years, you know. George Napp went to Albertquerque
Speaker 13: where Luzar said he had worked. He worked at I
Speaker 13: think it was Sandia. They went to the San Dia.
Speaker 8: Library.
Speaker 13: It's there. There's two parts of it. There's the classified
Speaker 13: side and then the public side. And he's in there
Speaker 13: and he pulls out the telephone directory directory for Sandia
Speaker 13: Labs for the time that Bob said he was there,
Speaker 13: and opened up and there's a Robert Lazaar with the
Speaker 13: phone number that Bob said he had and the room
Speaker 13: number and the two guys in the same lab. George
Speaker 13: looked up those names and everything was consistent. Plus Bob
Speaker 13: said that I was I made the front page of
Speaker 13: the lifestyle section of the Sandia newspaper and there's a
Speaker 13: picture of Bob standing in front of his jet car
Speaker 13: and it says Sandia professor relaxes on weekends, going three
Speaker 13: hundred miles an hour and a quarter mile. And I've
Speaker 13: seen the jet car, I say, I mean.
Speaker 8: It's right.
Speaker 13: So every everything, everything that I you know, you know,
Speaker 13: I wasn't even looking for emphasize the fact that Bob
Speaker 13: is real, Bob is you know, Bob is not a plant.
Speaker 8: Bob is who he says he use.
Speaker 14: Right, Well, it would be it would make sense that
Speaker 14: there would be a force in place trying to discredit him.
Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 13: And that's and then you know, that's a very big,
Speaker 13: big part of the disinformation campaign is if someone's telling
Speaker 13: the truth and the government doesn't want that information out,
Speaker 13: well let's destroy this person anyway we can.
Speaker 8: As far as his credibility reputation.
Speaker 15: Yeah, right, Well, one of the points a lot of
Speaker 15: the skeptics make that he's that he's lying or he's fake,
Speaker 15: is that they scrubbed all his records from the school
Speaker 15: he went to and everything. They're like, oh, he never
Speaker 15: went to that school. He's lying, Like, no, they scrubbed
Speaker 15: his information because he's Yeah, because he's real, that's why
Speaker 15: they did that, not because he's lying. And then too,
Speaker 15: I remember him saying The whole reason he even went
Speaker 15: public is because he was scared for his life because
Speaker 15: they were already starting to kind of come after him.
Speaker 15: And he's like, well, I got to come out fully
Speaker 15: publicly now otherwise they can kill me and this information
Speaker 15: dies with me.
Speaker 13: And they had they had called him and they wanted
Speaker 13: to you know, the security people wanted to talk to him,
Speaker 13: but they said, we'll meet you out at Indian Springs,
Speaker 13: which is now Cheak Creech Air Force Base. It's about
Speaker 13: thirty miles outside of Las Vegas on US ninety five.
Speaker 13: And Bob said, he went out there for the interview
Speaker 13: and he's sitting in the car with him.
Speaker 8: They pulled again. They pulled guns on.
Speaker 13: Him and threatened, threatened to shoot him. And I think
Speaker 13: that's when Bob said, look, you know, this life is
Speaker 13: too short.
Speaker 8: Not going to allow.
Speaker 13: This to happen, right, right, So that's when he decided
Speaker 13: to go That's when he decided to go public. And
Speaker 13: because he knew Leer, you know, he inquired, who would
Speaker 13: you recommend that I go to as far as major media,
Speaker 13: and it was George Knapp because George and John had
Speaker 13: been friends forever and ever.
Speaker 9: Because everything in stalled when I got there, and it
Speaker 9: was I think they were just in a desperate move
Speaker 9: to make some progress.
Speaker 16: Then we have to look at it not just as
Speaker 16: a propulsion system or some type of cool weapon, but
Speaker 16: how is it affecting time?
Speaker 9: And again it's world dominating technology.
Speaker 16: I mean, I have to say, in having worked with
Speaker 16: him and having you know inadvertently, there's no way that myself,
Speaker 16: where people on my team weren't trying to dig deeper
Speaker 16: in front. Maybe there's a problem, Maybe there's going to
Speaker 16: be a gap, Maybe we'll find something wrong with the story.
Speaker 16: Because we went We went very deep. We had to
Speaker 16: build as far. We had to build a sport model,
Speaker 16: and there were things that happened over the years, things
Speaker 16: that he had said to us before we had built it,
Speaker 16: that there's no way he could have known because there
Speaker 16: were physicalities, real things that we built. When you build
Speaker 16: something in a three D environment, you're actually building a
Speaker 16: real world. It's got light, bounce and refractions like the
Speaker 16: real world. Like when you turn on the light, it
Speaker 16: does the same thing. If a material has a sheen,
Speaker 16: you see it, it's literally the same thing. It's just
Speaker 16: computing power that gives you access to another world, and
Speaker 16: he mentioned things that were absolutely impossible to know. And
Speaker 16: one of the things that got two things really convinced me.
Speaker 16: One of them was in the interior of the craft.
Speaker 16: You had said to us it was very dark in there.
Speaker 16: And while Bob is explaining to us this interior of
Speaker 16: the craft and many times kept repeating it was really
Speaker 16: dark in there, even though there halogen lights, right, And
Speaker 16: so at a certain point he says, as I'm crawling in,
Speaker 16: there's like these extension chords and I remember going extension
Speaker 16: chords like it then hadn't computed. And He's like, yeah,
Speaker 16: they had lights in there, and I'm thinking it's true.
Speaker 16: I mean, there's no light switch inside this big thing.
Speaker 16: It's fifty fifty two feet it's big. And so he said, yeah,
Speaker 16: there were two big industrial yellow industrial lights with four
Speaker 16: spots each pointed up. And so we decided to make those.
Speaker 16: We decided to research the type that were used back
Speaker 16: then in the United States, especially on military basis, the
Speaker 16: halogen power, because it was this halogen in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 16: And we turned them on.
Speaker 9: And it was still dark and it was super dark.
Speaker 16: And I remember Christopher Matto, by the way, a big
Speaker 16: shout out to Christopher Matto that's on my team who
Speaker 16: made a lot of those visuals, and he's like a magician,
Speaker 16: he's the best. He's there and I said, Chris, turn
Speaker 16: on the lights because we have to film in the craft.
Speaker 16: And he's like, they're on. I said, they're not fucking on.
Speaker 16: I can't see anything. He's like, they're fully on. And
Speaker 16: I said, well that that doesn't make any sense. It's
Speaker 16: so dark in there. I remember thinking it so light,
Speaker 16: and so we upped the power of the light so
Speaker 16: that you could see more and it was still dark,
Speaker 16: and I thought, what the hell is happening? I goes there,
Speaker 16: Bug is it? Is there something wrong? He goes, no,
Speaker 16: I don't know. It's it's it's absorbing the light in there.
Speaker 16: We had to up the light intensity on those tripods
Speaker 16: by twentyfold in order for you to see the visuals
Speaker 16: you see in our film. Otherwise it would be really
Speaker 16: dark in that craft.
Speaker 17: Well how did you compute that?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 12: What what parameters did you establish?
Speaker 16: So what you do is you're you're inside a three
Speaker 16: D environment. You're an actual a three You're in a
Speaker 16: three D world. Now we're inside the craft that is
Speaker 16: fifty two feet in diameter. It's we bring a can
Speaker 16: in there. So we were filming the whole film was
Speaker 16: was done with the black Magic six kkms, so we
Speaker 16: would bring our black magics in the three D environment.
Speaker 16: You can actually set that so that we could film
Speaker 16: inside the craft, so it matches the filming of our
Speaker 16: real cameras, and so as soon as the camera's on,
Speaker 16: it's the same lens, it's the same aperture. Everything is
Speaker 16: as you would have it, and so you're trying to
Speaker 16: adjust for this dark room. But if the room is
Speaker 16: really dark, you can't really get a good look at
Speaker 16: it because if you go close enough, you would have
Speaker 16: seen like a seat and a little bit of the reactor,
Speaker 16: but you would have been like, what's the black screen
Speaker 16: I'm looking at?
Speaker 12: So what is the explanation for why it's so dark?
Speaker 9: It's just the way the light reflects.
Speaker 16: Them, and that is exactly. Yeah, it's yeah when you're
Speaker 16: in that space exactly.
Speaker 17: But here's the question, like, what what are you when
Speaker 17: you're making this in a computer model, right right? What
Speaker 17: are you putting in that would make it absorbed light
Speaker 17: that way?
Speaker 16: I didn't do that. So what we did is we
Speaker 16: spent over a year with Bob. I'm not kidding. It
Speaker 16: was like a year of trying to figure out the
Speaker 16: material of the craft, the actual skin of the craft.
Speaker 16: That was the hardest thing to do.
Speaker 9: With the specularity and the reflectivity of the actual the angle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then when the.
Speaker 9: Lights are in there, they just reflected a weird angle
Speaker 9: and it never gets bright in there unless you have
Speaker 9: a tremendous amount of light in there. It's always dark.
Speaker 16: And sorry to interrupt, but that would have been so
Speaker 16: when when that happened and we have the right material,
Speaker 16: which is like this, let's call it unpolished stainless steel.
Speaker 16: It's got a little bit of usage to it, just
Speaker 16: to give it some texture. It's it's as it's got
Speaker 16: the same sheen reflection refractions of a real material like that,
Speaker 16: because every time we put a fake light in there, okay,
Speaker 16: it's reacting like that. And now you turn these big
Speaker 16: halogen lights on and it's like the part of where
Speaker 16: the halogen is hit the ceiling of the craft because
Speaker 16: they were turned upwards. Remember Bob said, they were not
Speaker 16: pointed like this. They were pointed to the ceiling of
Speaker 16: the craft. So you got two of them. It's like
Speaker 16: wherever the light was going was getting eaten up by
Speaker 16: that portion of the material, so it's not reflecting all
Speaker 16: the ways. You have a fifty two foot distance and
Speaker 16: it's being lost in a maybe seven eight foot diameter
Speaker 16: environment area where the light is and we're like, why
Speaker 16: is that happening? But that's how it does well, that's
Speaker 16: the reality. He could not have known that if he's
Speaker 16: trying to make that up. Anybody who's inventing a story
Speaker 16: says there's two industrial light with four bright halogen spots
Speaker 16: in there. A liar would not say it was really
Speaker 16: dark in there.
Speaker 18: You don't know that.
Speaker 16: You have to build it. So to me, that was
Speaker 16: a physicality of being inside the craft.
Speaker 3: That made me go.
Speaker 16: Lazarre could not have known that if he was making
Speaker 16: that up.
Speaker 18: You wouldn't know it until you experience exactly.
Speaker 16: So I'm like, unless Bob back then decided to go
Speaker 16: and in his garage build himself a fake dome, which
Speaker 16: I don't think you did, I'm like, how would he
Speaker 16: have known that? We didn't expect that. We were we
Speaker 16: were struggling with why is it so dark?
Speaker 18: And you make films lighting exactly and and Chris was like, dude,
Speaker 18: this thing is just eating up the light, and I'm like,
Speaker 18: Bob kept saying, it's so dark in there, and it
Speaker 18: just how do you?
Speaker 16: How do you? How is that possible?
Speaker 8: What were the other things?
Speaker 16: The other one? I laugh about this with Bob all
Speaker 16: the time. It's about the flag on the craft, that
Speaker 16: you could have seen it, I don't remember. So when
Speaker 16: he walked into the hangar the very first time he
Speaker 16: saw the very first time he saw the craft, and
Speaker 16: he saw the American reversed American flag sticker on the craft.
Speaker 8: I wonder why I was reversed.
Speaker 16: I'll get to that in a sec I think I know,
Speaker 16: but whatever, I'll say what I think. And there's a
Speaker 16: lot of stuff. I researched a lot of stuff on
Speaker 16: Bob Lazar before I did this, and there's a lot
Speaker 16: of bad information out there. So I really, I really
Speaker 16: tell people, if you really want to see what he saw,
Speaker 16: don't go read what's out there. Check this out because
Speaker 16: Bob actually vetted everything, so it's not the wrong information read.
Speaker 16: But anyway, there's a lot of detractors saying there's no
Speaker 16: way Lazar could have seen that flag if the craft
Speaker 16: was that size, and it was on the hull, on
Speaker 16: the craft shell. There's no way the angle. He's five something,
Speaker 16: he wouldn't have been able to see it. So we
Speaker 16: built it. We built a fifty two foot diameter craft.
Speaker 16: We put it in the hangar. It's there, and my team,
Speaker 16: Chris gives me the goggles, the ones I made you
Speaker 16: try on, and it is the very first time I
Speaker 16: go in there and I know the craft is there,
Speaker 16: so I put them on. And now they're hoping, because
Speaker 16: they're there with notes, they're hoping. I'm giving them all
Speaker 16: the notes on Oh that's not good. That's not good.
Speaker 16: And the first thing I did is I looked to
Speaker 16: my right. I'm looking at the craft and I'm I
Speaker 16: asked Chris to put me at five foot ten, which
Speaker 16: is your height? So I said, at five ten, I'm
Speaker 16: Bob's height. With the goggles, I want to see. And
Speaker 16: the first thing I said is, oh, it's it. There
Speaker 16: it is, and they're like there, what is? I said
Speaker 16: the flag and they thought I was pointing at a
Speaker 16: flag on a wall and they're like, there's no flag
Speaker 16: in the hangar. I said, no, on the craft and
Speaker 16: they're like yeah, I said, you can clearly see it.
Speaker 16: It was clear. That was something that also made me go, yeah,
Speaker 16: this is it. This is the real size. So had
Speaker 16: Bob Lazar not actually seen that, the majority of the
Speaker 16: detractors out there kept saying, there's no way at that
Speaker 16: angle a human I could see a sticker on the
Speaker 16: top of the craft, which is on the top shelf,
Speaker 16: but you can it's as clear as day. So those
Speaker 16: were two things that I considered to be like, you know,
Speaker 16: it's there, So I know to maybe maybe some people
Speaker 16: that's not a lot. But as a person like I am,
Speaker 16: who's very technical, I'm very very I'm super difficult. It
Speaker 16: took a long time to do this because I'm a
Speaker 16: perfectionist and I wanted to make sure it was accurate
Speaker 16: to what he saw. I look at stuff like that
Speaker 16: because I analyze everything like that, and I analyzed his
Speaker 16: story inside out.
Speaker 12: And if you couldn't see the flag from that position.
Speaker 16: I would it would have been big. Yeah, that would
Speaker 16: have been a red flag for me. I would have
Speaker 16: been like, wait, you can't see it, but you can,
Speaker 16: so you can't. You can't put enough of a value
Speaker 16: on little details like that. Because he didn't say this
Speaker 16: in twenty twenty six. He said this in n eighty nine.
Speaker 19: Sure, Bob Lazarre, of course, can recite a litany of
Speaker 19: strange things he says have happened to him, tapped phones,
Speaker 19: break ins, threats. But even if you don't buy his story,
Speaker 19: there are others who can attest to a government interest
Speaker 19: in UFO adherents. Terry Tavernetti is the former police officer
Speaker 19: who performed polygraph tests on Lazarre. Tavernetti, who has a
Speaker 19: corporate security job with a major Las Vegas business, says
Speaker 19: that shortly after his involvement with the Lazarre probe was
Speaker 19: made public, his employers were contacted.
Speaker 20: If the corporate offices or I'm employed received a telephone
Speaker 20: call from a government agency wanting to know why I
Speaker 20: was getting involved in something that shouldn't be And I asked,
Speaker 20: well what agency?
Speaker 8: What was said?
Speaker 20: Did identify themselves? And I says, because I'll be more
Speaker 20: happy to talk to him and I always refuse this
Speaker 20: information told that he didn't know, meaning my boss.
Speaker 19: Tavernetti, who still retains the tapes and printouts from Lazar's polygraphs,
Speaker 19: also says his home was burglarized in early January.
Speaker 20: As an investigator of over twenty years. I don't believe
Speaker 20: in coincidences. There's a reason for everything. I mean, could
Speaker 20: it have been a random residential burglary.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 19: A Las Vegas man named Roy Byrom contacted US back
Speaker 19: in November nineteen eighty nine, saying he had information about
Speaker 19: Area fifty one that he had gleaned by preparing tax
Speaker 19: returns for several people who worked at Groome Lake. Less
Speaker 19: than twenty four hours after phoning us, Byrom says he
Speaker 19: was visited by two men claiming to be Secret service
Speaker 19: agents who quote just wanted to lean on me a bit.
Speaker 19: Journalists who studied the field for many years say that
Speaker 19: government interest in persons with inside information about UFOs is
Speaker 19: very real.
Speaker 11: A body of information about UFOs in the possession of
Speaker 11: our government which is so sensitive to the people in
Speaker 11: custody of it that they will do just about anything
Speaker 11: to protect it.
Speaker 2: In