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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey, come and take my pain the money. Why

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<v Speaker 1>think alone when you can drink it all In with.

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy Hour, join your bartenders Steve Hayward,

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<v Speaker 2>John You, and the International Woman of Mystery Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 3>Where they slapped it up and David ain't too busy

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<v Speaker 3>on the show Tap.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a giving.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome everybody to a new episode of the Traveling Road

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<v Speaker 4>Show known as a three Whiskey Happy Hour because everybody

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<v Speaker 4>has been on the road. Steve, you just got in

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<v Speaker 4>from the road. Where are you coming from?

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in all four time zones of the country

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<v Speaker 2>in the last week, and wow, and and the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is I had to make up for all the drinking

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do on the road. So I'm I'm totally

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<v Speaker 2>bombed tonight. I mean, this really is the three whiskey

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Hour, and I'm trying to see if I can

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<v Speaker 2>live up the reputation of the late great Richard John Newhouse,

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<v Speaker 2>who was legendary for his capacity to drink liquor to

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<v Speaker 2>like three in the morning and become more lucid the

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<v Speaker 2>more he drank. So I'm gonna try for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was gonna say I mean, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be Steve's greatest performance podcast in history, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 4>I can see him. He's barely able to sit up

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<v Speaker 4>straight in his.

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<v Speaker 5>Chair, crucifying John.

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<v Speaker 2>I can I just ask one one one quick story

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<v Speaker 2>about this is I once had a fairly eminent person.

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<v Speaker 1>John, you've seen me, actually, Lucretia, you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've done my master ceremonies for the pri

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<v Speaker 2>I Annual dinners. You came to Charles Crowdhammer and and

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<v Speaker 2>the Lucretia you came with me and Peter Thial, And

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<v Speaker 2>I had an eminent person tell me once, do not

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<v Speaker 2>have anything to drink before you speak at an after

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<v Speaker 2>dinner meal. And the person who told me that, the

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<v Speaker 2>person who told me that was PJ O'Rourke.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I got legendary for his substance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really well, And he said, look, as I've listened

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<v Speaker 2>to tapes, I can tell you not well. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is out the window tonight because I had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I got home long story why but I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had martinis and then I grilled some lamb chops

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<v Speaker 2>with my spouse and had some bottle of red wine.

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<v Speaker 2>And after you haven't drunk for a week its yard. Okay, well, just.

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<v Speaker 4>Where are you? Where are you trying?

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<v Speaker 5>A lovely beach area still a nice beach area of

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<v Speaker 5>California called Marina del Rey, and I had a lovely

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<v Speaker 5>dinner overlooking the ocean at a place called you Will

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<v Speaker 5>Love It Whiskey Reds, And so I had my share earlier,

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<v Speaker 5>and now I'm drinking something that I have in the

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<v Speaker 5>hotel room, which I believe is some kind of Italian

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<v Speaker 5>red wine. Go figure, because I had plenty of this

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<v Speaker 5>ski earlier. And now it's it's late. These guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>our schedules are crazy, and so here it is late, late,

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<v Speaker 5>late at night and past my bedtime. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>slowing down a little on the whiskey and drinking wine.

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<v Speaker 2>I should we should take an episode at Whiskey Reds

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<v Speaker 2>someday something.

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<v Speaker 5>It would be awesome. It was quiet, it wasn't crowded,

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<v Speaker 5>it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>We should also tape one and the rare occasion Lucretia

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<v Speaker 4>is not bombed, and along with Steve, we do that

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<v Speaker 4>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never fallen in the mornings.

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<v Speaker 6>John, So you say, okay, be a fun show, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm in Kansas City, Missouri, where I'm supposed to speak

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<v Speaker 6>at the meeting of the judges of the Eighth Circuit,

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<v Speaker 6>which goes all the way up to the north of

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<v Speaker 6>the country, all the way down the middle, including Iowa.

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<v Speaker 4>Then all the way down here to Missouri, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly I want to know, is everyone they're unhappy about.

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<v Speaker 4>Email Bove No, not at all. I think people here

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<v Speaker 4>are judges are generally a happy bunch. Even though the

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<v Speaker 4>President of the United States seems to hate them all.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think he hates them all. I don't have

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<v Speaker 5>there been any universal injunctions from the UH.

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<v Speaker 4>No, the Eighth Circuit would not be the circuit that

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<v Speaker 4>the the A C, l U and the ACP would

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<v Speaker 4>be choosing. Right, They're choosing Massachusetts, Maryland, Washington, San Francisco, California.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not picking Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 5>Places like good smart people from those places.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just came back from a great dinner with

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<v Speaker 4>a member of the national media who will go unmentioned.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm just reinforcing Lucretia's terrible stereotypes of me as

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<v Speaker 4>a bourbon swilling pal of the mainstream media. Yes you will,

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<v Speaker 4>I confess that's all true. Do they know you, John?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, are there any of them?

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<v Speaker 4>I was just I was just one. I was just

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<v Speaker 4>on NPR and PBS this week and too great. Yes

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was not only on there for free, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on a frontline documentary on Trump and the

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<v Speaker 4>rule of law this week. And I had a whole

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<v Speaker 4>segment of All Things Considered this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>All thanks behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Well wait a minute, so, but I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>NPR I have a hunch about this. I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>working very hard now to try and present some balanced

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<v Speaker 2>guests because I was invited on NPR a week ago

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't even answer their emails because I hate

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<v Speaker 2>them so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, no, I'm not going on. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had bad experiences at NPR a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and quit quit accepting their invitations. I will just say

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<v Speaker 2>for listeners, because it's fun and you and I John

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<v Speaker 2>texted that I know of whom you dined with, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lady and I had a massive crush on

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<v Speaker 2>her twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just say that. And Steve yew anchors.

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<v Speaker 4>For Steve to have a major crush on you, all

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<v Speaker 4>you have to do is have long hair and a

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<v Speaker 4>slight southern accent, then you look a little.

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<v Speaker 5>Bit like Sydney sweety.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that actually brings us to the first topic, which

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<v Speaker 4>is to talk about the three Whiskey Happy Hours two

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<v Speaker 4>favorite women, Sydney Sweeney and Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know I was going to do it? Did you?

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<v Speaker 4>You didn't know how I was going to do it?

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<v Speaker 5>Thought was my favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>About Steve's favorite cultural icon of the last week. Sidney

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<v Speaker 4>I did not know of. I did not know of

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<v Speaker 4>her until this controversy. I still have don't think I've

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen her in any show. But Steve, tell us

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<v Speaker 4>about why instead of our former anchor on TV, you

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<v Speaker 4>now have the hots for a jeans saleswoman. Tell us

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so, first of all, John, you don't even pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to our own podcast because several weeks ago, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>more than that, it might be three four months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to bring up Sydney swingeing. I couldn't remember

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<v Speaker 2>her name, and I said Sydney Powell.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, except that's that's somebody that Lucretia has the hots for.

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<v Speaker 4>So Sydney, Sydney is all you need to get.

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<v Speaker 5>The John, don't even start with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Confusion came up is that she starred in a movie

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<v Speaker 2>with an actor named Glenn Powell.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it happened. I got that confused in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw some of that movie on an airplane and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, yeah, she's really pretty, and you know she

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<v Speaker 2>has shall we say she has all the she has attributes,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's not a very good actress.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't matter. But here's I here is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Moral political significance of it. First of all, you go

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<v Speaker 2>back just four or five years ago and you had well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, just think of she's the anti Dylan

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<v Speaker 2>mulvaney ad campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>More than that, and Dylan mulvaney was the trans the

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<v Speaker 4>cross dressing right, cross dressing sales uh, salesperson for.

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<v Speaker 1>That killed like a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, And if you go back four, five, six,

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<v Speaker 2>seven years ago, you know all of the you had

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<v Speaker 2>always I'll put it this way, delicately plus size ads lucrease.

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<v Speaker 1>You will probably put it more bluntly than me.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, And the point is haired Obe's purple hair. Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Well you know I remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you're getting me excited. Oh stop, John, Well you

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<v Speaker 4>got to be excited over Sidney Powell, and he's excited

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<v Speaker 4>about Sidney Sweeney, So go ahead, sorry, and he.

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<v Speaker 5>Went Tigley Puff was that her name?

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<v Speaker 1>That was a different thing, that was right? That was

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<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, that was the very point. Yes, it

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<v Speaker 3>uh is an adjunct of the whole George Floyd Racial Awakening.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the ad agencies got populated by recent

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<v Speaker 3>grads from colleges were very woke and they wanted woke advertising.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how you got the Dylan mulvaney ad for bud Light.

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<v Speaker 2>You know their marketing director at uh it was in

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<v Speaker 2>bev was a company they said, oh yeah, we want

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember at the time, actually, Lucretia, you were there.

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<v Speaker 2>It was when we went to the dinner in Newport

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<v Speaker 2>to break into Hollywood screenwriting. And he said, everybody's terrified

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<v Speaker 2>of the young, woke people that they've hired for the

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<v Speaker 2>AD Agency used to the studios. Everybody wants to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to making movies with pretty women in short skirts

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<v Speaker 2>and the men rescuing them. I mean, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>go forward two or three years and what's the huge

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<v Speaker 2>monster movie?

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<v Speaker 1>It was Top Gun two.

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<v Speaker 2>It was old fashioned Americans are going to crush some

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<v Speaker 2>American to crush iron I mean David, but right, and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody wants to do that, and all the old studio

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<v Speaker 2>heads are terrified of this. And my collateral point is

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<v Speaker 2>all the Ad Agency people were terrified of it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly this comes along.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not You're gonna put Sidney Sweeney out there, who

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say apparently has her original equipment.

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<v Speaker 5>He just froze, So I'm gonna take oh you know what.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so the yes zoom Steve's comments is inappropriate content.

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose, yeah, they Steve you brows for the last

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen seconds as you tell us that you were getting

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<v Speaker 4>sweaty under the brow.

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<v Speaker 5>But colorha can okay, now let me take over for her.

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<v Speaker 5>He's gone on too long. So it's not just that

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<v Speaker 5>it's the whole idea that they were trying to enforce

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<v Speaker 5>on all of society the idea that males, but especially

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<v Speaker 5>white males, are stupid, they're incompetent, they're this and that.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you ever actually saw a white male in

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<v Speaker 5>an advertisement, for instance, they were always idiots. The black

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<v Speaker 5>a multi racial couple, had a you know, and and

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<v Speaker 5>then the the most fringey I don't know the right

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<v Speaker 5>word for couture, I guess designers would use these, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Calvin's and it's Kate Moss and somebody, some guy, and

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<v Speaker 5>It's over. After American Eagle made two hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>You do it right?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you guys remember the carls Junior ads? Jump on

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<v Speaker 5>But but when I do, I think that they're just

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<v Speaker 5>we're not going to be celebrating that anymore. And they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to figure out that most of America doesn't want

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<v Speaker 4>Very good, Very good. Now we're going to move on

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<v Speaker 4>to Lucretia's next favorite woman, Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 5>And they say.

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<v Speaker 4>Today as we were preparing for the podcast, that Kamala

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<v Speaker 4>instead going to bless us with a new memoir of

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<v Speaker 4>her one hundred and seven day long campaigns.

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<v Speaker 5>Sortist presidential campaign ever.

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<v Speaker 4>And I say, sorta, Krisha, like President Trump, who was

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<v Speaker 4>What are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 5>I have none. She is just such a non entity.

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<v Speaker 5>I get that. I guess in most polls she's the

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<v Speaker 5>front runner for twenty twenty eight. Let me remind you

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<v Speaker 5>wearing twenty twenty five. Things might change a bit in

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<v Speaker 5>the meantime, but the Democrats don't have anybody better. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the amazing part. They don't have anybody better. Who are

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<v Speaker 5>you gonna give me AOC? Jasmine Crockett, Gavin Newsom, let's see, man,

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<v Speaker 5>what the hell is the change body? Judge? Yeah, booty Judge.

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<v Speaker 5>The guy from Chicago, what's his name? Obama's guy who's

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<v Speaker 5>Rama Manuel. I mean, they have nobody. They're all losers,

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<v Speaker 5>and all the polls say that, Okay, we don't really

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<v Speaker 5>like everything Trump's doing, but when it comes down to it,

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<v Speaker 5>we trust Republican way more than we trust Democrats. In fact,

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<v Speaker 5>sixty two Americans have a disfavorable view of Democrats, so

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<v Speaker 5>they have nothing. If they're going to put Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 5>for more power to them, I get to reenact at

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<v Speaker 4>Well, look, Steve, have you seen these cringe worthy TikTok

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<v Speaker 4>and on TV. I all thought they're painful to watch.

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<v Speaker 4>Not only is she addressing the camera, but then she

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<v Speaker 4>is a TikTok thing which looks like she's in a library,

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<v Speaker 4>whispering to some partty off stage about that she's not

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<v Speaker 4>really been sitting on the beach drinking margaritas the last

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I heard I didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard it on satellite radio driving in my car,

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<v Speaker 2>Tutree thoughts one is.

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<v Speaker 1>She if she ran for governor, she was going to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the really you think she was lose?

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the historical announcer here was Nixon in sixty two.

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<v Speaker 2>People realize that Nixon did. His heart wasn't in it.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just using it as a stepping stone. I

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<v Speaker 2>think somebody told her, you know what, that's if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be president, don't run for governor. You should

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<v Speaker 2>keep your powder dry to run for president. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, she should run for president, you know, three

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<v Speaker 2>years from now and not six years from now like

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<v Speaker 2>Nixon was thinking. Okay, But I also wonder two things.

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<v Speaker 2>One is connects to Lucretia's point, but the other one

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<v Speaker 2>is the word around California in the last several months

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<v Speaker 2>is to she was putting out word of the California establishment,

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<v Speaker 2>please don't get behind anybody for governor.

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<v Speaker 1>All the money people wait till I make up my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if some of the money people in

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<v Speaker 2>California and elsewhere said, you know what, We're not giving

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 2>And part of the reason she is not running is

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<v Speaker 2>because important people on the inside told her not to run.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone behind that might be Gavin new by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>although that's sort of tricky Lucretia. Last week we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about how AOC is raising all the money and and

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<v Speaker 2>Jasmine Crockett and Jasmine Crockett right, but AOC is running,

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<v Speaker 2>is going to use that money to run for president?

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<v Speaker 2>Crockett who knows what? But uh, and so this is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of interesting. I think Cammel is thinking about running

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<v Speaker 2>for president again in three years. And look, her lead

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<v Speaker 2>in the polls is just name recognition. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>think if a campaign starts, AOC is going to have

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<v Speaker 2>all the energy of the base and not Kamela.

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<v Speaker 5>I think she's Sti't tease, don't tease.

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<v Speaker 1>No, don't to Okay, Well, I'm done.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, come on, okay, analogy man, who just really quickly,

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<v Speaker 5>if this is Nixon in nineteen sixty two, who is

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<v Speaker 5>going to run for California governor and win?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's going to be a whole bunch of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats now running, and this will be good. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's you know, apparently Rick Caruso is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>to run for mayor of l A. Again, I'm disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>at that. I think he'd be a good candidate for governor.

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<v Speaker 5>Ye a whole somebody needs to fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>But go ahead, Well, all right, you know the candidate

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<v Speaker 2>for US is a Steve Hilton, you know, the Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's running.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, if you have a bunch of I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if there's but there's a Republican sheriff and riverside running,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's gonna work.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be Hilton, I think, and some you know,

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<v Speaker 5>So okay, all right, well that's that's just great. In

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<v Speaker 5>the meantime, it doesn't matter. Kamala Harris, AOC the Democrats

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<v Speaker 5>are losers. Uh, you know, sorry, there's yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't matter. Now things could change, but the things

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<v Speaker 5>that could change, for instance, you know, the economy could

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<v Speaker 5>tank because of Trump's terrorists.

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<v Speaker 4>So they're still they're just about to That was the

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<v Speaker 4>next story that Trump terriffs because today or this week,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump announced deals with the European Union and South Korea, and.

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<v Speaker 5>They took it in the in the shorts. By the way,

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<v Speaker 5>the European Union did go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they both agreed to fifteen percent tariffs, and then

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<v Speaker 4>he announced today higher tariffs on all the countries who

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<v Speaker 4>could not make a deal, like India, South Africa, major Training.

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<v Speaker 4>He's paused the tariffs on Mexico, Brazil, I think Switzerland,

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<v Speaker 4>but basically every country that didn't reach a deal is

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<v Speaker 4>being hit with twenty five percent tariffs are more, which

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<v Speaker 4>is a huge increase. I think tariffs before all this

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<v Speaker 5>Before you go on, John, I do want to mention

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<v Speaker 5>that his uh tariffs on India were not exclusively because

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<v Speaker 5>they wouldn't make a deal. They were punishments for selling.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's true part of it.

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<v Speaker 5>And the reason I brought that up wasn't to point

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<v Speaker 5>out that you glossed over it. It was it's actually,

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<v Speaker 5>I think an important point that when in the past

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<v Speaker 5>has has any president just made a concerted effort to

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<v Speaker 5>use tariffs as a foreign policy tool. No, you probably

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<v Speaker 5>know this better than me. This is not my area

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<v Speaker 5>of expertise. It never interested me before. It doesn't really

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<v Speaker 5>interesting me now all that much. Except I'm It's turned

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<v Speaker 5>out I was right and you guys were wrong. It

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't destroyed our economy. The economy grew more than expected

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<v Speaker 5>it to. You said, you said, you actually said the opposite.

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<v Speaker 5>You said that the short term, the short term pain

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<v Speaker 5>would be great, but if we could hold out, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>it would work. But instead, the short term page is

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<v Speaker 5>going to start.

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<v Speaker 4>But it hasn't started yet. Until now ever, you got

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<v Speaker 4>haven't gone into a sect.

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<v Speaker 5>Change the goalposts all you like. You know, I'm right, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, that's it's that's not quite right, John. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was startled to see what tariff revenues, how much

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<v Speaker 2>about how Reagan imposed some pretty tough tariffs, but it

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan threatened, I think in nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 2>A two tariff on Spain because Spain had all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has been most consistent about this for forty years,

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<v Speaker 2>which is we're being taken as chumps. We've been saying

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<v Speaker 2>General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs, which was my version,

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<v Speaker 2>is GAT really meant General Agreement to talk and talk.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been saying for fifty years, pretty please with lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>screw all that, I'm going to do this the way

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<v Speaker 2>my surprise, I will confess this. It looks like it

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<v Speaker 2>is working. And in addition to getting by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>what I love the most about the European Deal was

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<v Speaker 2>how much he humiliated What's Arsen LeVander Laterjosen, the head

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<v Speaker 2>of the as I collected, as I call it now,

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<v Speaker 2>the EU s SR is what I like to call

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<v Speaker 2>those guys, right, so and so, by the way, by

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<v Speaker 2>having a fifteen percent tariff, I'm i'm you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>the abstract, I'm for zero percent free trade reciprocal. On

433
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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, this looks like it's a serious revenue

434
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<v Speaker 2>measure for the American budget deficit. I didn't see this coming.

435
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<v Speaker 2>So here's the mystery to me. And I'm sorry, Lucreatia,

436
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going on too long.

437
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<v Speaker 5>But Trump said it was gonna happen. You didn't believe it,

438
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<v Speaker 5>and I said that was right because I didn't know better.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this was the thing I was wondering about.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got to you know, my my historical analogies

441
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<v Speaker 2>are a little soggy tonight from a cocktail of or.

442
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<v Speaker 2>But I think, yes, soggy are the usual. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>write this Saturday on our sub stack when I was

444
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<v Speaker 2>sober and I said, you know, this reminds me a

445
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<v Speaker 2>bit of Reagan and the Strategic Defense initiative. People thought

446
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<v Speaker 2>it was a bargaining chip, and in fact, Reagan really

447
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<v Speaker 2>believed in it. And what's been not clear about Trump

448
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<v Speaker 2>is he has said tariff It is a beautiful word.

449
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<v Speaker 2>I love tariff's But he's also said over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm for free trade, but we've been Patsy's and so

451
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<v Speaker 2>someone has to make a tougher deal.

452
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<v Speaker 1>So which is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it turns out maybe both, and that's not a

454
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<v Speaker 2>bad thing. I mean, I will concede and celebrate that.

455
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<v Speaker 2>He looks like kind of a genius about all this,

456
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<v Speaker 2>and I think we do hold the high cards, right.

457
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<v Speaker 2>We are the big export economy. I don't quite understand

458
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<v Speaker 2>world trade. I mean, in the abstract, I'm a free trader.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I listened to Milton Friedman talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but I do think in the modern, complicated

461
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<v Speaker 2>world of international trade, it's not as simple as just

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<v Speaker 2>free trade. By the way, the person who made that

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<v Speaker 2>point and won the Nobel Prize for it was Paul Krugman,

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<v Speaker 2>who forty years ago worked in the Reagan Treasury Department.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think maybe he might have been onto something there.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to that Krugman could be right about anything,

467
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<v Speaker 2>but he might have been the.

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<v Speaker 5>Same podcast you're going to praise Paul Krugman for having

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<v Speaker 5>been somehow prescient and lucreatia. That's just sick.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't show you how little Steve understands trade, but

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand why this, why this is con that

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<v Speaker 4>are while you guys are saying Trump one so right,

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<v Speaker 4>the other countries agree to reduce their tariffs on American

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<v Speaker 4>goods to zero percent directly, Yeah, but we put tariffs

475
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<v Speaker 4>on them of fifteen to twenty five percent, which means

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<v Speaker 4>somehow we win by paying more taxes on stuff that

477
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<v Speaker 4>we're importing. And I mean this is that's to win.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a loss, that's going to drive inflation higher. That's

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<v Speaker 4>not even more for foreign goods we are How are

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<v Speaker 4>we not going to pay more for foreign goods?

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<v Speaker 5>How it doesn't make far from.

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<v Speaker 4>Japan not going to go up fifteen percent.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not going up fifteen percent as a matter or not,

484
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<v Speaker 5>because somehow, somehow, some way corporations are eating these costs

485
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<v Speaker 5>right now, Because the whole point of tariffs isn't just

486
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<v Speaker 5>the revenue. It's the leverage that you get in the market.

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<v Speaker 5>And they know that if they try to overprice their

488
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<v Speaker 5>Japanese cars, they'll lose market share. And guess who'll pick

489
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<v Speaker 5>that up is American car manufacturers. I know that all

490
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<v Speaker 5>of those things are kind of meaningless concepts in some

491
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<v Speaker 5>ways because American car manufacturers make Japanese cars, who make

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<v Speaker 5>American car parts, who make Japanese car parts, you know,

493
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<v Speaker 5>on and on and on. So to talk about just

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<v Speaker 5>simply speaking American, South Korean Japanese doesn't really make a

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<v Speaker 5>whole lot of sense. But what has happened, and this

496
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<v Speaker 5>is well documented, is that corporations have to a very

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<v Speaker 5>great extent, how should you say, eaten into their profit

498
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<v Speaker 5>margin to keep their prices relatively the same. Now, whether

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<v Speaker 5>that can continue again, I don't understand it. But the

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<v Speaker 5>whole idea back, No, no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is all part of the studies.

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<v Speaker 4>The economic studies show that tax increases and tariffigures get

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<v Speaker 4>passed on to the consumers.

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<v Speaker 5>Not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>That what I'm telling yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's two things to be said about it, John,

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think because none of us are you know,

508
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<v Speaker 2>you tchied us sometimes about going beyond our knowledge of

509
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<v Speaker 2>the law and your right to here were all of

510
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<v Speaker 2>us beyond our knowledge of economics. So one point is

511
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<v Speaker 2>there's the old problem here of the difference between the

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<v Speaker 2>incidents of taxation and the burden of taxation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll leave that aside.

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<v Speaker 2>The second point is I was having a conversation yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>at the Reagan Library with one of the really smartest

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<v Speaker 2>supply side economists I know, is Brian Demtrovitch, who works

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<v Speaker 2>with Art Laugher.

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<v Speaker 1>And how's that we were going.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a long conversation about the One Big Beautiful

520
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<v Speaker 2>Bill and the tariffs, and he made a couple of points.

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<v Speaker 1>He pointed out to me some aspects.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the One Big Beautiful Bill that I sort of

523
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<v Speaker 2>knew about it, but I hadn't thought about about how

524
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<v Speaker 2>immensely pro growth they are. But then second he said, tariffs. Look,

525
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<v Speaker 2>you call it a tax, except it's not really. Taxes

526
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<v Speaker 2>is sort of discretionary. You only pay it if you're

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<v Speaker 2>importing something. And second, and if you go back to

528
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<v Speaker 2>one of the US government one hundred and fifteen years

529
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<v Speaker 2>ago and longer and further back, financed the whole government

530
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<v Speaker 2>by tariffs alone, our growth rates were like five six

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<v Speaker 2>percent a year, and he says, all the distortions the

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<v Speaker 2>tariff might cause a fifteen percent it's going to disappear

533
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<v Speaker 2>as minor noise if we get the boom I think

534
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get. And I think Brian's a very

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<v Speaker 2>solid guy. I've been reading him from Kay.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you who I think is even more solid,

537
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<v Speaker 5>and that is Michael Barone, who knows everything there is

538
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<v Speaker 5>to know about politics in at least in the United States.

539
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<v Speaker 5>He is. He is truly a walking almon aft and

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<v Speaker 5>very very perceptive. He's not just you know, a fact listard.

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<v Speaker 5>This is what he says. Meanwhile, today, meanwhile, the economic

542
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<v Speaker 5>numbers are coming in more positively than those who predicted doom,

543
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<v Speaker 5>like you two in April from Trumst's tariffs. And then

544
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<v Speaker 5>Michael admits in parentheses I called them lunatic, and then

545
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<v Speaker 5>goes on to say that, of course it's turned out

546
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<v Speaker 5>that that everybody, all of the orthodox economists, were wrong

547
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<v Speaker 5>about tariffs and Trump was right. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll see what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys. It's only been a few weeks so far,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think the effects will.

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<v Speaker 5>Long Since Liberation Day I don't think they actually started

552
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<v Speaker 5>collecting the tariffs in the amounts you guys think until

553
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<v Speaker 5>very recently, if at.

554
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<v Speaker 2>All, they've collected a lot.

555
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<v Speaker 1>I was startled with.

556
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<v Speaker 5>This day.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's keep this for a future. Whether prices go up,

558
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<v Speaker 4>inflation goes up, interest rates are going to have to

559
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<v Speaker 4>go up, that's gonna rates.

560
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.359
<v Speaker 5>Are going to go down. The Fed is crumbling on

561
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<v Speaker 5>the issue.

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<v Speaker 4>Not a good thing to want, but okay, that's what

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<v Speaker 4>that's what pen for now, John, Okay, okay, So let's

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<v Speaker 4>move on to our next issue, which is the news

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<v Speaker 4>out of I will admit that Trump is winning on

566
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<v Speaker 4>this one, which is his campaign against higher education. Columbia

567
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<v Speaker 4>University agreed to pay a fine of two hundred million

568
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<v Speaker 4>dollars two hundred million dollars and agreed, I think, even

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<v Speaker 4>more seriously than the fine, is agreed to stop its

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<v Speaker 4>diversity equity inclusion programs, to stop using any use of

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<v Speaker 4>race and admissions and hiring and promotion a faculty and agreed.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the incredible part that I actually have a

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<v Speaker 4>hard time believing. They agree to an external monitor who

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<v Speaker 4>is going to observe Columbia's compliance with the agreement, and

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<v Speaker 4>if he finds or she finds that Columbia is not

576
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<v Speaker 4>living up to these commitments, the United States is going

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to resume its investigation and lawsuits against Columbia.

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<v Speaker 4>This has now apparently become a model for other universities.

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<v Speaker 4>There's rumors that have been reported in The New York

580
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<v Speaker 4>Times that Harvard is considering paying a five hundred million

581
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<v Speaker 4>dollar fine and agreeing to many of the same conditions,

582
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<v Speaker 4>although allegedly, according to the reports, Harvard is reluctant to

583
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<v Speaker 4>agree to an external monitor. Brown just paid a fine which,

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<v Speaker 4>consistent with the lesser value of a Brown education, is

585
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<v Speaker 4>only about twenty million dollars, and there are other reports.

586
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<v Speaker 4>I am I'm going to lead this. I still don't

587
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<v Speaker 4>understand how Brown made into the Ivy leagues and then

588
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<v Speaker 4>on a separate track, UCLA. I just agreed to a

589
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 4>multimillion dollar settlement not with the Trump administration, but with

590
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<v Speaker 4>Jewish students arising out of the terrible riots we saw

591
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<v Speaker 4>on campus there after the Hamas attacks. So, guys, looks

592
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<v Speaker 4>like higher education is on the back, That's what But

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<v Speaker 4>I would put this to you. Let me ask you, guys,

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<v Speaker 4>this start with Steve this time, are we focusing too

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<v Speaker 4>much on the fines. If we do, are we going

596
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<v Speaker 4>to miss the more important thing, which I think is

597
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<v Speaker 4>making sure that universities changed the way they actually do business.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're at Harvard or maybe you're you know, these

599
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<v Speaker 4>are places with multi billion dollar endowments. They get to

600
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<v Speaker 4>have their federal funding back, they pay them one off fine,

601
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<v Speaker 4>and then they keep discriminating on race and pursuing their

602
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<v Speaker 4>woke agendas. Anyway, so why not do it? From their perspective,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't have to really change how they do anything

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<v Speaker 4>in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I kind of feel in some ways

606
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<v Speaker 2>like they're getting off cheaply. On the other hand, maybe

607
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<v Speaker 2>the money is not the important part. Maybe the important

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<v Speaker 2>part is the outside monitor. This really is the equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>of a consent decree, isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It, John.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very much like a corporate consent decree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if that becomes a template, that's a great thing,

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<v Speaker 2>assuming that the outside monitor is going to be tough

614
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<v Speaker 2>minded and look at things.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can't always assume that.

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<v Speaker 2>If this is a template, and I've been saying this

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, the Trump administration I think is being

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<v Speaker 2>very smart. Let's go after the most elite universities that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to generate the most publicity. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>go on down the food chain and hit everybody. The

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<v Speaker 2>University of Toledo, right, you know, the University of Akron. Right,

622
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<v Speaker 2>you go get everybody and put them all into receivership

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, beat the hell out of them. The

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard thing, I mean, here's I think about Harvard is

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<v Speaker 2>is and John. Do you know John Manning who's the provost.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to be the Harvard law dean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so, I mean, I mean, maybe he's not

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<v Speaker 2>as conservative as me like might like him to be,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's not a lefty. The fact is, poor Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a tiny bit of sympathy for them. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you were going to say that. I said tiny.

632
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<v Speaker 2>I qualified to try and.

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<v Speaker 1>Avoid your scorn. You know, they kick I know, they unsuccessful.

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<v Speaker 1>They tossed out.

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<v Speaker 2>Clotting Gay rightly and other people. They brought in a

636
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of white guys who six or seven years ago

637
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<v Speaker 2>would never have been considered to be president and provost

638
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<v Speaker 2>of Harvard.

639
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<v Speaker 5>And I think those guyss.

640
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<v Speaker 1>No, No, it was before the election.

641
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.079
<v Speaker 2>They brought in Garber last year, before Trump went They

642
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<v Speaker 2>brought in Manning last year, and now it was sort

643
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<v Speaker 2>of hard on the election all the rest of that.

644
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<v Speaker 2>But the point is is, I think even Harvard's trustees

645
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 2>and elsewhere, look, they're confused people, they're dumb, they lack courage,

646
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<v Speaker 2>and go on down the list that you want to

647
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>check off the creche. But somebody has said, you know,

648
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>let's bring back some white guys who know what they're doing,

649
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know, people like John Manning and so forth,

650
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 2>And so suddenly Trump was after him, and I'm like,

651
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys are too little and too late, right,

652
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and so anyway, I wanted to keep going on all

653
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<v Speaker 2>this and I'll bet, by the way, privately, Yale, all

654
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<v Speaker 2>these other schools, I bet they're furious with Columbia for

655
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 2>making this deal because now they're going to be under

656
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<v Speaker 2>pressure to have to take the same thing.

657
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<v Speaker 5>So let me ask you guys, let me especially let

658
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 5>me ask John. We keep we we keep getting a

659
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<v Speaker 5>little hints here and there from listeners about something called

660
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<v Speaker 5>a queen tam Is that how I say it? Lawsuit?

661
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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, so you talked about you talked John about

662
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<v Speaker 5>the external evaluate, external monitor whatever it might be. But

663
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<v Speaker 5>isn't the more important check on their ability to get

664
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<v Speaker 5>around these things and to you know, turn the the diversity,

665
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 5>equity and inclusion provost into the belonging and community support provosts,

666
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 5>like they've done at my damn university. Uh, that that

667
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<v Speaker 5>the the person who can because what we had to do.

668
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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you guys are aware of this,

669
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<v Speaker 5>but what we had to do as a result of

670
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<v Speaker 5>the Trump policies in order to continue to get federal

671
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 5>dollars in a variety of different ways, was we had

672
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 5>to swear off on the fact that we had eliminated

673
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 5>all of our dei everything, you know, our positions, our everything,

674
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 5>but what could be legitimately covered under academic freedom. So

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<v Speaker 5>I could probably make a fortune if I were willing

676
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<v Speaker 5>to bring a qui tam lawsuit against my university for

677
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 5>the ways in which they have just manipulated. As you

678
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 5>were pointing out earlier, it's kind of what your question was, John.

679
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 5>Our university is just going to continue to try to

680
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<v Speaker 5>get away with what they've been doing all along. And

681
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<v Speaker 5>my question to you is, I believe ken this is

682
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<v Speaker 5>so far from my legal knowledge and it's not even funny.

683
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm so blonde that qui tam lawsuits could be a

684
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<v Speaker 5>mechanism whereby universities, our corporations even are forced to either

685
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<v Speaker 5>to actually delete their completely get rid of their DEI

686
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 5>initiatives people and so forth, or face huge lawsuits that

687
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<v Speaker 5>would benefit the person bringing the quetam lawsuit. The private

688
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 5>individual am I wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>So one thing is if you look at the consent

690
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<v Speaker 4>decree as it were, Columbia carefully says that it doesn't

691
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.280
<v Speaker 4>admit to any wrongdoing, because if it did admit to wrongdoing,

692
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Speaker 4>then it would open itself up to these kinds of

693
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.079
<v Speaker 4>lawsuits which can really destroy the bottom line of a

694
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<v Speaker 4>normal company. Because key TOOM refers to a kind of

695
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<v Speaker 4>litigation under what's called the False Claims Act and also

696
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 4>refirst to some Medicare Medicaid reimbursement statutes. But basically it

697
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 4>comes from the Civil War and since the federal garment

698
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 4>was a big enough back then to bring cases itself

699
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 4>for fraud, waste and abuse of federal funds. The False

700
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<v Speaker 4>Alams Act says that if a private person sues and

701
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<v Speaker 4>finds abuse and waste of federal funds, you get triple damages.

702
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 4>Triple damages, So this is a huge It can be

703
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 4>a huge hit if you can prove it to a

704
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 4>university against the university or against the company. So the

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00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 4>key would be to show that Harvard or Columbia, we're

706
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 4>violating the fourteenth Amendment or Title nine, something like that.

707
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.199
<v Speaker 4>So the one of Trump President Trump's executive orders about

708
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<v Speaker 4>getting rid of DEI and ending affirmative at race based

709
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<v Speaker 4>affirmataction mentions this possibility because if the United States government

710
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<v Speaker 4>comes in with you on one of these false Claims

711
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.760
<v Speaker 4>Act cases, your chances of winning go way way up.

712
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<v Speaker 4>So that's what you're referring to. The consent decrees don't

713
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<v Speaker 4>address it, because you're right. The consent decrees say Columbia

714
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<v Speaker 4>doesn't take any you know, doesn't amid any wrongdoing, and

715
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<v Speaker 4>so the Trump administration agrees to that. So they say

716
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<v Speaker 4>they're not finding any doing.

717
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<v Speaker 5>What about in the future if they say they have

718
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<v Speaker 5>ended all of their DEI activities and someone says, but no,

719
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.519
<v Speaker 5>they have not, And then they say that and in

720
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, they promise that that is the case, they

721
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<v Speaker 5>certify that that's the case in order to continue to

722
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<v Speaker 5>get the federal money that is contingent upon them doing that.

723
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<v Speaker 5>But instead they are in a subterfuge still continuing to

724
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<v Speaker 5>do it, and you can prove that that's the case.

725
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<v Speaker 5>Is that not a subject for a call it? Is it? Keytam?

726
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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, the Key Tom really has to only do

728
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<v Speaker 4>with you're receiving federal funds and you're wasting it or

729
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.599
<v Speaker 4>stealing it or abusing it. I don't think that violating

730
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<v Speaker 4>this kind of agreement by itself would be grounds for

731
00:40:58.719 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 4>Key Tom action.

732
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<v Speaker 1>You're poite right.

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<v Speaker 4>Regardless of whether this agreement exists or not, you can

734
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<v Speaker 4>still sue Columbia like you and I could suit Columbia

735
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.400
<v Speaker 4>and say we think Columbia is still using race in

736
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 4>the way it administers federal grants and they're still vulnerable.

737
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<v Speaker 4>This consent decree, as Steve called, it doesn't really help

738
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<v Speaker 4>or hurt those kinds of lawsuits. And so yeah, I agree.

739
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<v Speaker 4>I would be worried if I was a lawyer for

740
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<v Speaker 4>Columbia or Harvard that they're going to be hit with

741
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:25.519
<v Speaker 4>these lawsuits and they could lose.

742
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

743
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean not just them, I mean a lot

744
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 2>of people. So as talking, there was a good article

745
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<v Speaker 2>on the Wall Street Journal today by Colin Wright, who

746
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, the guy I'm not sure if he's

747
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 2>a sociologist or social psychologist or whatever he is, but

748
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the interesting guy is worth following on Twitter. And he

749
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>is suing Cornell because documents have come out that in

750
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.920
<v Speaker 2>their screening for faculty hires.

751
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 1>They prioritize race over everything else.

752
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>And he said, okay, I'm going to sue you for

753
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 2>that because I was excluded because of my race. Oh

754
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:03.199
<v Speaker 2>my goodness, how many lawsuits can be because of this?

755
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Could be hundreds and hundreds of hundreds. And let's go

756
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>out again. Let's open the floodgates for everybody who has

757
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 2>done this, and it's going to be lots and lots

758
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.239
<v Speaker 2>of universities, lots and lots of departments for at least

759
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 2>ten years or longer.

760
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<v Speaker 1>And let's have fun, right. Yeah.

761
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 4>A lot of these losses potentially don't just involve universities.

762
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 4>Think of defense contractors. The defense contractors had DEI programs

763
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 4>or they were, you know, promoting minorities and not whites

764
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 4>or Asians because of their race. They would be open

765
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 4>to these kinds of lawsuits too, because you know, they

766
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 4>take on a lot of federal money and these probably

767
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 4>occurred some federal funded programs or research, then they're liable

768
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<v Speaker 4>to get as triple damages. That's the worst that the

769
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<v Speaker 4>legal system can do. Wow.

770
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<v Speaker 5>Lot, so just I don't want to beat this together

771
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 5>and almost I brought it up, but I think the

772
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 5>listeners will find it interesting. One last question about that,

773
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.360
<v Speaker 5>isn't the amount of damages upon which the triple is based,

774
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 5>whatever funds they have continued to receive after after making

775
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 5>the promise that we are no longer engaging in unconstitutional

776
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Speaker 5>dei activities, the amount of money they could receive is

777
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 5>up to the amount of federal dollars that continued to

778
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.039
<v Speaker 5>flow in after that promise certification.

779
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.559
<v Speaker 4>I know it would have to be I think it

780
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 4>would have to be the federal funds that are actually

781
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 4>supporting the program that you're claiming they're using. Okay, that's

782
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 4>pretty cool, but it could be a lot of money.

783
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 5>And the only reason I mentioned that is just because,

784
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 5>remember the Trump administration made the continuation of federal funding

785
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.360
<v Speaker 5>contingent upon getting rid of your dei because DEI had

786
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 5>been declared at least in universities by the Supreme Court

787
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 5>to be essentially unconstitutional. DEI in the sense of affirmative

788
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.559
<v Speaker 5>action and so on, That's why I brought it up.

789
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<v Speaker 5>But I don't want to beat this horse any longer.

790
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<v Speaker 5>The poor thing is really dead.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Lucretia has proven once again that she should go

792
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 4>to law school and become a plaintiff's lawyer.

793
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<v Speaker 5>Into all to go to law school now, John, I

794
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 5>would have, but it's too late. I just have to

795
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 5>learn from you now.

796
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 4>So we have one more last issue we have teed

797
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 4>up to talk about tonight, which is the ongoing fight

798
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<v Speaker 4>over nationwide injunctions. Lucretia identified that there have been a

799
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Speaker 4>bunch of rulings this week by lower court judges who

800
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.239
<v Speaker 4>seem intent on defying the Supreme Court and maintaining nationwide

801
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 4>injunctions against for example, President Trump's order on birthright citizenship,

802
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 4>or another one about the change and refugee and asylum policies.

803
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Mostly all these have to do with immigration, but not

804
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 4>all of them, and so Lucretia wanted to know what's

805
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 4>going on. How can these district judges continue to do this?

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<v Speaker 5>I have to interrupt and say John is too modest

807
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<v Speaker 5>to point out that he actually got a compliment from Lucretia.

808
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:20.400
<v Speaker 5>An attacked saying that John actually predicted that this sort

809
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 5>of thing would happen. Now, go on and say what

810
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:24.960
<v Speaker 5>it is is happening that you predicted?

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<v Speaker 4>John, Oh, I didn't get that text. I guess my

812
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.320
<v Speaker 4>AI must, you know, filter out these fake emails that

813
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 4>they're pretty plausible, like Lucretia saying I said something good, not.

814
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 5>Just good, but predictive.

815
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<v Speaker 4>Now, so you remember in the Kosta case where the

816
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<v Speaker 4>Court said no more nationwide injunctions, they did have two exceptions,

817
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 4>and one was for class actions. The other one is

818
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 4>for lawsuits under the Administrative Procedure Act that pretty much

819
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 4>brought in Washington. And you know, yeah, my prediction was

820
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 4>there are going to be these court judges which are

821
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 4>going to try to say, now everything's a class action,

822
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:05.760
<v Speaker 4>or now everything is in ad ministry price drag claim.

823
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 4>And that's what some of these trial judges are doing.

824
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 4>It's almost as if the Supreme Court hadn't decided the

825
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 4>cost of case, and some have maintained their nationwide injunctions.

826
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<v Speaker 4>So just one point is I find it hard to

827
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<v Speaker 4>believe these judges in good faith are able to turn

828
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<v Speaker 4>around and just in a few days decide there's a

829
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 4>class action. Sometimes the decision on whether a class action

830
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 4>exists can take months, if not years. So if a

831
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<v Speaker 4>judge just turned by the way, I'm very works. I

832
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 4>see Lucretius swigging directly from a bottle. Now I hope

833
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 4>it's water. I hope it's water. But she dranks so

834
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.039
<v Speaker 4>fast and deeply I can tell what it was.

835
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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I'm still drinking, but I'm not swigging from that one.

836
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 5>It's it's tellegrino. It's okay.

837
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<v Speaker 4>All I see is that it's a colorless liquid. So

838
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.880
<v Speaker 4>the a class action is very complicated. It depends on

839
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 4>whether what we call there's commonalities a law in fact.

840
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.920
<v Speaker 4>But when a judge just turns around just a few

841
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 4>days after the Supreme Court strikes down his or her

842
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 4>decision and says there's a class action, that makes me

843
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.079
<v Speaker 4>very suspicious. If that's not a good faith. And if

844
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:18.440
<v Speaker 4>you're the plaintiffs, you're.

845
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<v Speaker 5>So suspicious it's not in good faith.

846
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so good.

847
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 4>This is also you know, gonna if you if you

848
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:29.400
<v Speaker 4>and also for example, you want to challenge birthright citizenship.

849
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:31.719
<v Speaker 4>Remember I don't think that Trump's going to win in

850
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 4>the end. What you want is for these cases to

851
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 4>get to the Supreme Court as fast as possible on

852
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.079
<v Speaker 4>the merits. Now you've just introduced a whole nother procedural

853
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 4>issue that Trump will probably win on and will probably

854
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.920
<v Speaker 4>delay the Supreme Court for reaching this issue again for

855
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 4>another six months to a year.

856
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 5>So but in the meantime, in the meantime, those they're

857
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 5>actually the stays, the injunctions, whatever you want, you want

858
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:58.280
<v Speaker 5>a column, appear to be working, right, I mean, right now,

859
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 5>the situation across you United States is that there is

860
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 5>a class.

861
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Action of.

862
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 5>Unborn children who consented to a class action to stop

863
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 5>birthright citizenship.

864
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 4>And so until the Appeals Court, you know, lifts those

865
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 4>injunctions like they did the first round with the costs

866
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 4>of case. Yeah, but you're right, and even if they

867
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 4>lift the injunction, this is what I don't where I

868
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.679
<v Speaker 4>think it's also kind of productive, is at least in

869
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:32.880
<v Speaker 4>those states where these decisions are occurring. Those states have blocked,

870
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, the states when those states of Trump administration

871
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.519
<v Speaker 4>is blocked from following that executive order, they just not

872
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:40.920
<v Speaker 4>blocked nationwide.

873
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. So you notice here John or Steve that that

874
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.840
<v Speaker 5>John is very rational and reasonable about these things. He

875
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 5>expects everybody to be equally rational and reasonable. About them,

876
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.039
<v Speaker 5>and he can't quite understand why they're not, because that's

877
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 5>just how he is. Am I wrong Evenven, I'm still

878
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 5>on our podcast.

879
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 1>What I'm right here, Steve.

880
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 4>I can see in the reflection in his glasses that

881
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 4>he's been looking up more ads about Sydney Sween.

882
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 5>No, it's just that I'm on my iPad being on

883
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 5>travels and only the speaker shows up the way I've

884
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 5>got it set up on my iPad and I'm afraid

885
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 5>to mess with it or it might mess things up.

886
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 5>So when you don't talk, Steve, I don't see you.

887
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, okay, oh see, now you're just encouraging him to

888
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 4>talk more. Steve.

889
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:30.679
<v Speaker 1>It's hard.

890
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 2>It's I don't have any thoughts there. It's hard to hear.

891
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Lucretia's like the Great Lakers broadcaster Chick Herns. She has

892
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.679
<v Speaker 2>a high streshold of interruptibility because I keep talking and

893
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 2>don't stop.

894
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, something like that.

895
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, I think that brings us close to the

896
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 4>end of the podcast. I think Steve had one more

897
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 4>comment about eating contests. You've been engaging with some readers

898
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 4>or calmness about whether we should have a three whiskey

899
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:08.880
<v Speaker 4>our eating contest. Well, I would totally demolish you in

900
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:12.039
<v Speaker 4>the seventy two ounce steak eating challenge, which you didn't

901
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 4>even take. Tell the renos how you whipped out from

902
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:15.880
<v Speaker 4>this challenge.

903
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I wanted to go to this place and

904
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 2>see it. Not do this, well, maybe thirty years ago

905
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 2>do it? The Big Texan Steakhouse in Amarillo, Texas, just

906
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 2>off the I forty. It's legendary for having the seventy

907
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 2>two ounce steak challenge, which is free if you can

908
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.480
<v Speaker 2>eat it in an hour, plus the side dishes which

909
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.880
<v Speaker 2>includes bread I think, baked potato, and a shrimp cocktail

910
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, and ninety thousand people have tried it

911
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>since it was started in the nineteen sixties, and ten

912
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 2>thousand people have succeeded in doing it.

913
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>The record.

914
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 2>This is really shocking because I think it's it's worrisome.

915
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.400
<v Speaker 2>The record is four and a half minutes, which means

916
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>someone seventy two ounces is four and a half pounds,

917
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 2>so a pound a minute is by a one hundred

918
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and twenty five pound.

919
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Woman who's a competitive eve And Joey.

920
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.840
<v Speaker 4>Chester, when you did Lucretia show up in this town?

921
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know I don't even want to

922
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 2>watch the videos, but there are two people trying.

923
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, by the way, this place is.

924
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:21.480
<v Speaker 4>But Steve, you didn't do it.

925
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 1>You didn't do I'm too old. Why because I would die.

926
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's uh yeah, I know you said you

927
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:28.840
<v Speaker 2>could do it, but.

928
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.599
<v Speaker 4>Are oh yeah, easily. I've I've had these forty eight

929
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:34.159
<v Speaker 4>out supporterhouses and I'm still hungry when I done.

930
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 5>God, Okay, Well there's a Steve. There's a restaurant uh

931
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 5>not in Tucson called the Trident, and it's started by

932
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.679
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of Navy seals, and their premier menu item

933
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 5>is I think it's called the Navy Seal and not

934
00:51:54.079 --> 00:52:01.559
<v Speaker 5>quite I forget, but it's a one poundmburger, which you

935
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.320
<v Speaker 5>know doesn't seem like all that much one pound hamburger.

936
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.599
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's a two pound hambiger. The point is is

937
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 5>that then it has another eight ounces of pastrami. Blah

938
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.519
<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah blah. It's this huge, huge, huge burger

939
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.440
<v Speaker 5>with a pound of fries, and it's it's only about

940
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 5>thirty dollars thirty maybe thirty five, I forget, But if

941
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 5>you can eat it in fifteen minutes, it's free. Okay,

942
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:29.840
<v Speaker 5>and my kid has gone in there quite free, quite

943
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:33.480
<v Speaker 5>often and eaten the entire burger but never the fries.

944
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.079
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, he's paid every so. But yeah, seventy two ounce?

945
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 5>What is it a rabbi or is it a what

946
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:40.519
<v Speaker 5>is it?

947
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a porterhouse and it's it's seventy two

948
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.159
<v Speaker 2>dollars if you can't do it in an hour, which

949
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 2>is not.

950
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:52.320
<v Speaker 5>Really all that much for a seventy ounce port quarterhouse.

951
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I just have to say this place was the

952
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.760
<v Speaker 2>most texas cy place that ever texased.

953
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:02.559
<v Speaker 4>If those are purps, but next time we'll go there together,

954
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:04.639
<v Speaker 4>I'll eat three of them so that you guys can

955
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 4>get two free ones.

956
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Well.

957
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.960
<v Speaker 2>One of our new humor columnists for this political question

958
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 2>substact Anthony Lucido, better known to power Line commenters as

959
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Anthony and Lucretia as Anthony hates male and he is,

960
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.719
<v Speaker 2>by the way, he is the next date Berry.

961
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:27.519
<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean, I think he's that good. In

962
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:28.079
<v Speaker 1>any case.

963
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>He says, come on, when are we going to go

964
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>there to Texas or somewhere and have a make ribating

965
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.000
<v Speaker 2>contest with John and make him show up?

966
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 1>And that sounds more fun.

967
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:39.800
<v Speaker 4>So that wouldn't even be close, because I already told

968
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 4>you how i'd win. I would put four of them

969
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 4>in stock them and been in two pieces of bread,

970
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 4>and just see, I mean, wouldn't even be close. Let

971
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:51.800
<v Speaker 4>me come on, and then we'll move on to spam,

972
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 4>just as a victory lap, just for fun spam eating contests.

973
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:01.760
<v Speaker 5>You will notice insisting that this was a news free

974
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.840
<v Speaker 5>week or low slow news week, when of course it

975
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 5>was nothing but the Russian collusion hoax all week long.

976
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 5>And John still insists that there's nothing new in that,

977
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I told him, I said, all of our

978
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 5>listeners are. I think John is a bit a bit

979
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 5>wrong on this point, but I'm going to leave that aside.

980
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.280
<v Speaker 5>We'll pick it up next week. We can actually know

981
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.320
<v Speaker 5>the whole story a little bit too.

982
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 4>Much, a big document which we haven't all gone, which

983
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 4>we haven't had time.

984
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 5>So we're in the interest of appearing intelligence for a change,

985
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 5>We're going to withhold our comments until next week. But

986
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 5>I do want to make sure that listeners know that

987
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm on John on this. He's wrong. I wrong to him, eventually,

988
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.119
<v Speaker 5>but they will have to wait for another week. And

989
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:53.079
<v Speaker 5>so I suppose we are probably at the point Steve

990
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:58.039
<v Speaker 5>John excuse me, he's the host of our Babylon Bees,

991
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.840
<v Speaker 5>of which there are so many. But what made me

992
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 5>think of it was there was a Babylon b I'm

993
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:06.079
<v Speaker 5>not going to go through the whole thing. It was

994
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.239
<v Speaker 5>the seven things that are that are way more expensive

995
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 5>or hard to get because of Trump's tariffs. And number

996
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:17.960
<v Speaker 5>six was all the mcribs are gone. Somebody has eaten

997
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.960
<v Speaker 5>them all. And so I had to ask if that somebody,

998
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.199
<v Speaker 5>of course was John, Oh yeah, but he didn't answer.

999
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.480
<v Speaker 5>He totally deflected on that one. He didn't say it would.

1000
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.840
<v Speaker 4>Be me, But it's there are no McRib promotions going

1001
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 4>on right now. I haven't seen a single one. Of course,

1002
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 4>I would get it if I saw it. I send

1003
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:39.599
<v Speaker 4>you guys a picture every time I eat one.

1004
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:47.079
<v Speaker 5>So that being said, my first Babylon Bee investigation concludes

1005
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:52.159
<v Speaker 5>Trump is the only one who didn't collude with Russia.

1006
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 5>That's not even funny, that's just true. Okay, sorry, you

1007
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:03.599
<v Speaker 5>guys will like this one. Women's parallel parking added to

1008
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty eight Olympics. That even round. Okay, So for

1009
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:18.800
<v Speaker 5>the nerds out there, the nerds hopefully you'll get this one, Stuart,

1010
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 5>And it's a picture of the Stewart of Gondor from

1011
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:26.760
<v Speaker 5>the movie Stewart of Gondor moves to officially recognize more

1012
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 5>Door as a state.

1013
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, yeah, you get it, do you?

1014
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1015
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yeah.

1016
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 5>Democrats announced twenty twenty eight campaign slogan we hate capitalism,

1017
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 5>hot chicks, and the Jews.

1018
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Of course that is also true, so.

1019
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:52.199
<v Speaker 5>It's not even funny. They got to stop with the

1020
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 5>not funny. Okay, I'm done.

1021
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 4>I'll close us out with always drink your whiskey neat

1022
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:02.119
<v Speaker 4>and order your mcribs with extra sauce. Steve made me

1023
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:03.840
<v Speaker 4>say that I'm not sure that's going to be our

1024
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 4>permanent tage, John, I bring my own. I mean this

1025
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.320
<v Speaker 4>sauce is a little sweet. Yeah, these are kind of

1026
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.360
<v Speaker 4>sweet barbecue sauce. It's a little sweet, but I would

1027
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.400
<v Speaker 4>like to add Korean hot sauce to it. I think

1028
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:21.800
<v Speaker 4>this could revolutionize the product, Steve. That's something for all

1029
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 4>of us to consider to the next episode. Still weird

1030
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:29.800
<v Speaker 4>AI generated poetry. Do you have about the three whiskey Happyhow?

1031
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:30.360
<v Speaker 5>So?

1032
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Here's one stanza from AI's Lewis Carroll style. Oh, ponder,

1033
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:40.920
<v Speaker 2>The court cried, John, you the spry as a ravenous

1034
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 2>logic leapt into the sky to federalism. Steve did chime

1035
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>while quoting Burke with metric rhyme. Then Lucretia, with a

1036
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>chuckle in bourbon breath, declared, the Ninth Amendment fakes its

1037
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:56.440
<v Speaker 2>own death.

1038
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 4>Really, this was made up by an AI. That's incredible.

1039
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:05.079
<v Speaker 5>There's so many three whiskey happy hours on the internet

1040
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.519
<v Speaker 5>now that they have figured out each one of us.

1041
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.559
<v Speaker 7>John, I know it's all right.

1042
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:14.639
<v Speaker 5>Bye bye everybody everyone.

1043
00:58:15.119 --> 00:59:16.360
<v Speaker 7>Next week, Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 1>Joined the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>H