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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Derek louder Milk Show. At the Edge

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<v Speaker 1>of Possibility. We fuse science, spirit and adventure alongside healers, scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>pioneers and mystics to turn potential into practice, create real results.

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<v Speaker 1>Subscribe and join me on the adventure. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Dereks louder Milk Show At the Edge of the Possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuse science, my favorite subjic an adventure. Wonderful to meet you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just finish your book Scientists, Pioneers, the East Society into practice,

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<v Speaker 1>real results. Maybe you could start with scribe. How you

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<v Speaker 1>got into studying the Mandela effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Right well before it was called the Mandela Effect. I

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<v Speaker 2>was studying something that I was seeking a name for

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<v Speaker 2>because I was observing things appearing, disappearing, transforming and transporting

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<v Speaker 2>and changes in time. And it occurred to me, this

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<v Speaker 2>is something big that people are experiencing, just like back

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<v Speaker 2>This is back in the nineteen nineties now when I

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<v Speaker 2>was really noticing I need to create a website about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I need to start talking to people about this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is big and so the missing sock in the

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<v Speaker 2>laundry was the classic one back in the nineties. Now

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<v Speaker 2>for people that are listening and they can't imagine a

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<v Speaker 2>time before social media. It was before social media, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a totally different realm of websites,

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<v Speaker 2>before AI, before large language models and everything. So back then,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the nineties, I just started publishing sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a newsletter that was that I would email out

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<v Speaker 2>to people and people that were interested in the topic,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was finding out, yes, people are interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the topic, but they're kind of embarrassed to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it publicly, especially if things are upheering or moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>They they figure that people would call them crazy. Back

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen nineties, I have a physics degree from

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<v Speaker 2>UC Berkeley, so I should put that out there too.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of what convinced me that this is much more

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<v Speaker 2>than just people confused who are misremembering things misplacing things

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<v Speaker 2>is that it was clear to me that humans on

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<v Speaker 2>a very macroscopic scale, in large wet biological conditions are

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<v Speaker 2>capable of experiencing phenomena that we consider normal in the

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<v Speaker 2>so called quantum realm. So with the combination of my

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<v Speaker 2>own experiences, the new experiences that I'm starting to research

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<v Speaker 2>and collect from people sharing them with me, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I was publishing on a monthly basis and through my

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<v Speaker 2>website and through the email newsletter. That's how it became

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<v Speaker 2>really clear to me, this is something that's real. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I found other researchers that were writing books about

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<v Speaker 2>it too, such as the author PMH Atwater. I found

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<v Speaker 2>her book Future Memory, and she had a chapter called

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<v Speaker 2>reality shifts. So for me, it started and I was

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<v Speaker 2>already calling these reality shifts. So I contacted her and

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<v Speaker 2>found out that indeed, this is She considered it a

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<v Speaker 2>real phenomenon too, and just something that may not be

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<v Speaker 2>popular yet, but it's it's a growing trend. And then

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<v Speaker 2>fast forward to the early two thousands and my website

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<v Speaker 2>at that point had been running for a number of

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<v Speaker 2>years and Fiona Broom was the person who popularized the

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<v Speaker 2>term Mandela effect, and she did so after she went

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<v Speaker 2>to a dragon Con conference and noticed a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>people remembered, Hey, didn't Nilsen Mandela die in prison? Like, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then how is he becoming like the president of South

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<v Speaker 2>Africa or whatever? How is he still alive? And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a little bit of confusion going back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>like what is this? And at that point I had

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<v Speaker 2>already written my first book about this called Reality Shifts,

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<v Speaker 2>and in that book I'd covered both a dead cat

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<v Speaker 2>of my roommate being back alive again and also the

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<v Speaker 2>actor Larry Hagman being alive again. So I've been I've

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely been covering this topic that we now call the

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<v Speaker 2>Mandela effect for over twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>And the man was the Mandela effect.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right before it was a Mandela effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, what a privilege to have you on. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>tie this in with your physics work when you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting, Yes, it seemed clear to me that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a connection. But only in my most recent book, The

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<v Speaker 2>Mandela Effect in Its Society, am I starting to really

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<v Speaker 2>lay it out in terms of here are some possible theories,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the way physicists talk about physics, and

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<v Speaker 2>then side by side with a sort of a dictionary

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<v Speaker 2>or a lexicon of typical language that experiencers use when

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<v Speaker 2>they noticed that, for example, there's a flip flop, that

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<v Speaker 2>the situation is one way, and then they look again

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<v Speaker 2>attention and it's still changing. That kind of thing is

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<v Speaker 2>very confusing, but when you think about physics and recognize

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<v Speaker 2>that everything can be seen to exist in a superposition

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm laughing because I don't think there is such

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<v Speaker 2>a thing. I think everything responds this way when you

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<v Speaker 2>engage with it in a certain manner. So we can

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely observe superpositions of states in our daily lives, such

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<v Speaker 2>as what is known as this so called flip flop,

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<v Speaker 2>where you're looking at something and my neighbor's roof didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have gutter guards, and then I'd look back and it did,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was going back and forth every other day

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<v Speaker 2>for about a week or so. It was just doing

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<v Speaker 2>this repeatedly, to the point I could point it out

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<v Speaker 2>to other members of my household. And that's a small

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<v Speaker 2>scale Mandela effect. It's just my household, and I already

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<v Speaker 2>knew from experience. If I talk to the neighbors, then

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<v Speaker 2>the situation kind of locks in place a bit like

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<v Speaker 2>if I talk to them, like did you get new

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<v Speaker 2>leaf guards? They'll say, no, what leaf guards? And they'll

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<v Speaker 2>be gone. And like I saw one, I saw them.

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<v Speaker 2>They were there without any noise, no construction crew. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just sort of there and then gone and then

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth. So and in my book Reality Shifts,

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<v Speaker 2>I show pictures re enacting situations where I'd filled a

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<v Speaker 2>bird feeder and it was full, and then it was

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<v Speaker 2>empty and it was like full. So people, when that happens,

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<v Speaker 2>you might be scratching your head and wondering, am I

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<v Speaker 2>imagining things. You can check with other friends, family members,

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues find out if they also remember it. But what

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<v Speaker 2>gets exciting about the Mandela effect is the scale, because

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<v Speaker 2>now it's moving into a much larger arena of where

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<v Speaker 2>thousands or maybe millions of people can experience a change,

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<v Speaker 2>a collective alternate memory. That's how I define a Mandela effect,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'd experience it together.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that why you have that It's society part in

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<v Speaker 1>the title of the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because this is a topic where it can still

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<v Speaker 2>be a personal Mandela effect, which I think that's just fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for most people that is where it's arts.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're fortunate enough to have other witnesses when something

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<v Speaker 2>bizarre occurs, it's great, But we don't always have that

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<v Speaker 2>many witnesses. It just feels so much better when you do,

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<v Speaker 2>because then it's otherwise it can be con seriously confusing

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<v Speaker 2>when you witness these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 1>We speaking of the house situation of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first Mendel effects that I personally experienced was from one

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<v Speaker 1>winter to the next we had different windows on our house,

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<v Speaker 1>and I used to put this plastic over the windows

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<v Speaker 1>for the cold months to be extra insulation, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, there was like five windows with so

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<v Speaker 1>our house is over one hundred years old, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was five windows that had forty year old storm windows

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<v Speaker 1>on them instead of one hundred year old storm windows.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, that's so weird. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>like they're still old, but they're much more modern than

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, woodfreame storm windows.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, And these things could happen almost at any time.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some silk window curtains that I had unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>shrunk when I washed them in hot water stupidly, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>decades ago, and then like twenty years later, after feeling like, gee,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so annoying, I wish that hadn't done nets.

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<v Speaker 2>I love these curtains, but there they shrank, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it just they they re they sort of unshrink, which

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous. That never happens. I've never seen anything like

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<v Speaker 2>that happen. And after twenty years and they all they

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<v Speaker 2>unshrink exactly to the old size that they'd been, as

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<v Speaker 2>if i'd never washed them in hot water to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was evenly, so it's not like an uneven

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<v Speaker 2>thing was And it was all at once, it was,

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<v Speaker 2>was just super annoyed, like darn, I just wish that

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<v Speaker 2>had never happened. And then the next morning the whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing was drooping, like the curtains didn't fit on the

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<v Speaker 2>hangar anymore, which annoyed me until I realized, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're exactly They're right size again. So I need to

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<v Speaker 2>rehang the curtains, but it's worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>How much do you think the Mandela effect is tied,

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<v Speaker 1>like you saying, oh, I wish it was different versus

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<v Speaker 1>just a totally random and innocuous change.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect question. Yeah, there is something that we call the

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<v Speaker 2>observer effect in physics, and there's a tremendously strong connection there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've heard the old adage that correlation does not

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<v Speaker 2>prove in a causation. But when I interview people when

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<v Speaker 2>they said when they share their first hand report of

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<v Speaker 2>one of these reality shifts with me, I often ask

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<v Speaker 2>them were you what were you thinking, what were you

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<v Speaker 2>feeling when this event occurred? And it's very across the board,

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<v Speaker 2>very consistent that if people one of the most common

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<v Speaker 2>reality shifts is traveling farther in less time. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>an experience where you're just like, oh my gosh, I'm late.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to take thirty minutes to get to the appointment,

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<v Speaker 2>get there. A lot of people notice that if they

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<v Speaker 2>of instead of getting all tense about it, changed their

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<v Speaker 2>mindset and just tell themselves, I'm always at the right

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<v Speaker 2>place at the right time, or ask how good can

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<v Speaker 2>it get my favorite setup question? Then they do show

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<v Speaker 2>up amazingly on time, quite often, not all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>but quite often exactly on time, which is impossible because

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't speeding, they didn't break laws, they weren't running

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<v Speaker 2>their red lights. And so yeah, it's absolutely clear to

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<v Speaker 2>me from decades now of research and my own personal

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<v Speaker 2>experience that yes, and it ties in with physics as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The physics doesn't talk about the attitude of the observer.

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<v Speaker 2>But truthfully, if you are in a very relaxed, grounded

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<v Speaker 2>state and you're just expecting success, it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>beginner's mindset, beginner's luck. Then you'll have things quite often

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<v Speaker 2>turn out miraculously well against all odds and against what

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<v Speaker 2>we know about what's possible. Like you can't drive that

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<v Speaker 2>far in fifteen minutes, but people are doing it. They're covering,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hundreds of miles in a very short time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering, was I daydreaming? What happened? How'd I get

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<v Speaker 2>here so fast? It's a very common reality shift. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mentioning it so people might realize, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've done that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was playing around with time bending and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>my kids from school, and I scheduled like so many

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<v Speaker 1>things in the day just to see how it wou

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<v Speaker 1>would go. And we like went across the river to Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>to another state. We did like a forty mile bike ride.

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<v Speaker 1>like right as the kids were walking out, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>who had got there, you know, early or late. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh my gosh. But then I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do that driving across country, like from out to

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado from Missouri is like a twelve hour, fourteen hour drive.

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work. And I was like, ah, I wanted really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to skip ahead and arrive you know, skip Kansas basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, no offense to Kansas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So what what's what's your explanation for why

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<v Speaker 1>it might work one day when I'm playing around and

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<v Speaker 1>then another day when you know, I really wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>Ironically, detachment actually helps with the outcomes. So if you're

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<v Speaker 2>are we doing shoot, we're still in Kansas in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then what's happening is you're kind of like it's tight

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<v Speaker 2>into something called the quantum Zeno effect, where you're observing observing,

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<v Speaker 2>observing observing, And if you're doing that, even if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not doing it on purpose, then you're not in the

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<v Speaker 2>proper day dream detached state. So for best success, ironically,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to kind of let go of any like

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay if I'm in Kansas and not even not

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<v Speaker 2>even think about Kansas or how fast you're going or

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<v Speaker 2>what time it is or where we are, just like

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<v Speaker 2>it's I hate I don't want to say this, don't

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<v Speaker 2>do this. This is not an advocation for people to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. Do not daydream when you're driving, But if

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<v Speaker 2>you happen to be daydreaming, you will have probably found

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<v Speaker 2>that it was more successful. So it's.

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<v Speaker 1>About any group situation, like a group of people in

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<v Speaker 1>a car driving across like what if what if the

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<v Speaker 1>constantly checking how would interact well.

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<v Speaker 2>To the degree that you guys are coherent entangled with

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<v Speaker 2>each other, the coherence is like a flock of sheep

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<v Speaker 2>or a herd of herd of sheep or a flock

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<v Speaker 2>of birds. Sorry, yeah, so I get the animals straight.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are noticing this is not a very

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<v Speaker 2>coherent group, then you might want to do the quantum

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<v Speaker 2>sheep rooting thing, kind of like round people up, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's everybody sing a song. We'll take turns. What's your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite song? Like, I don't want to do that, but okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going to sing. So you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>them into coherence and whatever that takes. Maybe they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do it because they're busy arguing or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they'll join in, you can start getting the

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<v Speaker 2>coherence because they're getting breathing. And music's great because it

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<v Speaker 2>can bring people into that state. They're probably not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be chanting home. But if you had that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of group, I mean, they wouldn't be uncoherent in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place, probably, but if they are, then you can

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<v Speaker 2>bring them back. So you want to get them into

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<v Speaker 2>that coherent state. And then then as the group is

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<v Speaker 2>like a flock or a herd, then when you the

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<v Speaker 2>driver kind of get into that relaxed data state, but

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<v Speaker 2>drive safely of course. So again operating heavy machinery, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not telling you to daydream. I'm just saying if you

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<v Speaker 2>happen to be already daydreaming, and if you know you're safe,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's okay. So but I can't advocate that.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you saying there was another common reality shift,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the teleported to safety, and that actually happened

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<v Speaker 1>to me on the drive to Colorado. I was moving

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<v Speaker 1>out there and a deer jumped in front of my

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<v Speaker 1>and I was, oh my gosh, oh my god, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the end. And I closed my eyes and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the deer was like in a different place,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was farther down the road, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, well, blinking your eyes shut for this again. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>do this if you're driving usually, But if you happen

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, it's actually kind of a good thing

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<v Speaker 2>because you're you're giving your you're giving reality permission to

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<v Speaker 2>do something unexpected. So it's I noticed that that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm looking for something that I need in the

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<v Speaker 2>cupboard and I just shut the cupboard, walk away, come back,

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<v Speaker 2>look again, shut the cupboard, walk away, come back, look again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I'm giving a privacy like okay, Spice, you can

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<v Speaker 2>come back and I'm not gonna look. Okay, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna look are either or whatever's missing? But that has

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<v Speaker 2>worked for me sometimes and in this case, Yeah, teleported

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<v Speaker 2>to safety is very common. I think it's because people

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<v Speaker 2>need it. There's something that happens when you're in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably felt it, which is all of you was

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<v Speaker 2>in one harmonious accord. You know there's a brain in

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<v Speaker 2>the cranium, of course, I think it's called the cephalic brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's the cardio heart brain, and now we know

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<v Speaker 2>there's an enteric gut brain, and the gut runs the

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<v Speaker 2>show when you just know, like I need to be safe,

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<v Speaker 2>like this cannot happen, and that's like a gut feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>and then your heart feels the same, your head feels

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<v Speaker 2>the same, and then you just blink your eyes shut

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment, and so you're not quantum Zeno effect

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<v Speaker 2>locking it. Quantum Zeno effect means you're looking at something

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<v Speaker 2>so often that you're locking it, possibly in the wrong reality.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't want to be looking. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you did. You just didn't look, and then you look

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<v Speaker 2>again and it's quite different. Yeah, so many people have

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<v Speaker 2>experienced that, and it's against all odds, and I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have expected that would be a common thing, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>come to find out it is. But there's a there's

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<v Speaker 2>a very strong discouraging factor here where people don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>safe talking about it publicly. So if I do talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it at a talk, I'll get swarmed with people

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<v Speaker 2>afterward whispering to me, this happened to me, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to go on and they don't want anyone

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<v Speaker 2>to know. There's a stigma. More than other effects, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this one is the one of the strongest statement

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<v Speaker 2>attached to it because people know they're just certain no

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<v Speaker 2>one's going to believe me. They'll think I'm really nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll think I can't judge distance. Like if someone heard

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<v Speaker 2>your story, they'd be nodding, and then they'd be thinking

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<v Speaker 2>he had no clue what was going on. He just

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was in front of him and going to

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<v Speaker 2>hit the windshield. He was a little You know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing this for themselves to calm themselves so that everything

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<v Speaker 2>fits back in their mental construct instead of if this

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<v Speaker 2>really happened to Derek, then what does that mean for reality.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the hard question, but not everyone's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go there.

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<v Speaker 1>I did actually share that story as I was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of reading that in your book, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, you died in one timeline and then

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<v Speaker 1>your consciousness went into another timeline where you survived, like

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<v Speaker 1>you actually did die, So what is that a valid theory?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and a physicist first came up with that. Originally,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd cover this in my book about them mentull effect,

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<v Speaker 2>and I describe a situation where people noticed that I

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<v Speaker 2>had died around twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen of something that

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<v Speaker 2>I was Actually it was a time when I actually

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<v Speaker 2>almost did die. So I think that was fascinating and amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had just the right readership and audience to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to confirm with them. As soon as i'd

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<v Speaker 2>heard from somebody i'd never met before he's passed away now.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve and Boucher from Canada wrote to me and said,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know me, but I'm so glad that you

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<v Speaker 2>are here. And I see you posted something recently which

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<v Speaker 2>surprised me because I remember that you died, so of

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<v Speaker 2>course I wanted to follow up, like, oh, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>more I'm not upset at all, Like now, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you're crazy. I'd like to know when did you

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<v Speaker 2>hear this? What had happened? How did you find out?

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<v Speaker 2>What was the give me all the details without me

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<v Speaker 2>telling him anything, and then everything he shared with me,

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<v Speaker 2>I started noticing it's dovetailing with a time in my

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<v Speaker 2>life that I almost did give up on life. I

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<v Speaker 2>had pneumonia, I was feeling emotional betrayals, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt like, what's the point. You know, people are do

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<v Speaker 2>mean things whatever. I'm just going. But then I in

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<v Speaker 2>my reality, what I remember is the meat that's still here,

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<v Speaker 2>or the versions of plural or whatever, the versions of

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<v Speaker 2>me that made it through I or Wei or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>decided that my life is bigger than just my own,

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<v Speaker 2>and so what if I got betrayed, It matters more

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<v Speaker 2>than it's not just selfish for me to be here

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<v Speaker 2>until I get you know, I'm betrayed, but I'll deal

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<v Speaker 2>with whatever this betrayal costs, the money, the time, the court, whatever, Like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do it. It's worth it for other people, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>do this. And that was and then I just felt

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<v Speaker 2>so much stronger. It's like I'll just do it whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It didn't feel overwhelming. The pneumonia in my

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<v Speaker 2>lungs instantly started feeling like it was just a cold

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<v Speaker 2>that was going to clear up. Even though I told

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<v Speaker 2>my husband and my parents and my daughter's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm dying. This is really bad, you know. But

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<v Speaker 2>it turned around with that decision, and fascinatingly, people notice

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<v Speaker 2>this and I write about it in my book because

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<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's a very interesting report and who

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<v Speaker 2>better to tell it than someone like myself who's been

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<v Speaker 2>researching this. So I do believe people when they say

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe I died, and that is how people

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<v Speaker 2>take it. That could be wide. There's a stigma about

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<v Speaker 2>this one because it's almost embarrassing to say I'm a ghost,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what are you saying here? That's like, what does

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<v Speaker 2>this mean? And it's not a ghost, You're not a ghost.

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<v Speaker 2>In my case, I'm the one who decided I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>what it takes. I'll be brave and strong and stand

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<v Speaker 2>up to all these indignities and the end, all the

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<v Speaker 2>issues and problems and hardships and all my buttons getting

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<v Speaker 2>pushed emotionally at once. Yeah, I'll deal with this because

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth it for my value, what I'm doing for

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<v Speaker 2>the world. It's not me that decides that. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was for me what it took. But I think in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment when you're about to hit a deer, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not thinking any of that. You're just in that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>and that as a very common experience, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think reality wants us to wake up. I think

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness is playing with us. You might say playing. That

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty rough play, but it wants to get our attention.

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<v Speaker 2>We are consciousness, we are reality, so we're getting our

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<v Speaker 2>own attention. And to me, it looks like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>time of great awakening. So I am noticing this happening

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<v Speaker 2>much more, and now, more than twenty five years later,

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<v Speaker 2>people are saying, go ahead, print my full name. It's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That was not what people said in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you mentioned that for some people, you

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<v Speaker 1>are a Mandela effect in the sense that your research

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't remember coming across your research before this

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<v Speaker 1>year either, So I was wondering, maybe you're a Mandela

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<v Speaker 1>effect in my experience, like you and your body of work, Yes,

417
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<v Speaker 1>arriving with this like decades of wonderful research. How how

418
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<v Speaker 1>fortunate you know that's true?

419
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<v Speaker 2>And at conferences for the Mandela Effect back when we

420
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<v Speaker 2>were doing those, people were telling me I knew Delores

421
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<v Speaker 2>Cannon's work, but I didn't know yours. And the other

422
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<v Speaker 2>people said, oh, I need Cynthia su Larson, but I

423
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<v Speaker 2>didn't know Delas Cannon. So it seemed like there was

424
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<v Speaker 2>almost a bifurcation going on for some people, like either

425
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<v Speaker 2>they knew Dolores or they knew me, but usually not both.

426
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<v Speaker 2>That was weird, but it goes with the whole topic.

427
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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Dolores Cannon grew up basically one block

428
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<v Speaker 1>from where we live. What Yeah, And my wife is

429
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<v Speaker 1>a QHHT practitioner and we had heard she grew up

430
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<v Speaker 1>in Saint Louis and we're like, so we honed in

431
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<v Speaker 1>on the address by muscle testing, okay, And it turns

432
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<v Speaker 1>out because we found that she was in this general

433
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<v Speaker 1>area and then we muscle tested and she was a

434
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<v Speaker 1>block away, basically across the street from where our friends

435
00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.599
<v Speaker 1>live right now, which is wild. But so so here's

436
00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:46.079
<v Speaker 1>something interesting because my wife is she's right along where

437
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<v Speaker 1>I am understanding all this research, and you know works

438
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<v Speaker 1>in the quantum with her clients and all this stuff.

439
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<v Speaker 1>But we had this incident that I shared with you

440
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<v Speaker 1>about our daughter's yes jacket duplicating itself yes, and she

441
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<v Speaker 1>is like that that doesn't count as metaphysical because it's

442
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<v Speaker 1>probably just we brought home someone else's exact jacket because

443
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<v Speaker 1>we picked it up because we thought it was our daughters,

444
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<v Speaker 1>and now we have two covers, like a normal linear explanation.

445
00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.480
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like that's a lot of people's tendency

446
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<v Speaker 1>is to try to explain a weird effect by like

447
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<v Speaker 1>a well years how it could have happened, you know,

448
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<v Speaker 1>theoretically as possible X y Z. How often do you

449
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<v Speaker 1>deal with that type of experience.

450
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<v Speaker 2>Because of what you just said, people tend to assume

451
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<v Speaker 2>like I must have just had another one or I

452
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<v Speaker 2>picked up another one. Our mind wants to make it

453
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<v Speaker 2>make sense, and so I don't get as many reports

454
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<v Speaker 2>like this, but I do hear about them, and I

455
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<v Speaker 2>heard about them in a presentation that was made in

456
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<v Speaker 2>that first conference that we had for the Mandela Effect

457
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<v Speaker 2>in November twenty nineteen in catchum Idaho, and also the

458
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<v Speaker 2>next year in twenty twenty. One of those people that

459
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<v Speaker 2>was presenting at that time was talking about just a

460
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<v Speaker 2>duplicate items showing up and it had the same markings,

461
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and it was like it was like a tool of

462
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<v Speaker 2>the trade, like an artist's tool. I think it was

463
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<v Speaker 2>a ruler, and it's like, here's the exact same ruler.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Now I have two of them. You know, this is

465
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<v Speaker 2>really weird, and so I think there's again maybe a

466
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<v Speaker 2>stigma on this one. So I'm not hearing as many

467
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<v Speaker 2>reports of it. That may change now that you're mentioning it,

468
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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about it. But I have a question for you.

469
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<v Speaker 2>When you and your wife had that thought, did you

470
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<v Speaker 2>then check it out, because that's that's a good thing

471
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<v Speaker 2>to do. Go back to the place where you picked

472
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<v Speaker 2>up the jacket and find out.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Well, nobody can remember ever, like bringing an extra jacket home.

474
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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just like we went into the closet

475
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<v Speaker 1>and there's two.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

477
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<v Speaker 1>So it's like there is a plausible explanation, but nobody

478
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<v Speaker 1>it is. The nobody's fassing out to it, right, okay.

479
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<v Speaker 2>So then the next step, if you want to is

480
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<v Speaker 2>it could take it too where if you're able to

481
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<v Speaker 2>still go back and it hasn't been too long say

482
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<v Speaker 2>it has. Did anyone lose this jacket?

483
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<v Speaker 1>And then you maybe we don't even know, like where

484
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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't have gotten it right, maybe the kid's school,

485
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<v Speaker 1>but who knows, right, Yeah, that was And a friend

486
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<v Speaker 1>of my head just shared yesterday where she was. She

487
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<v Speaker 1>had her handful of marbles and her toddler was counting them,

488
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<v Speaker 1>and she put one marble in and had them cut

489
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<v Speaker 1>one and then two. It had him cut two and

490
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<v Speaker 1>then three and then four, and then he counted five

491
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<v Speaker 1>and she was like, no, that's four, try again. And

492
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<v Speaker 1>then she looked and there was a fifth marble and

493
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<v Speaker 1>it had just like ap peered in her hand.

494
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that was not too common either. But I've

495
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<v Speaker 2>had it happen to me, not with a marble, but

496
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<v Speaker 2>like a half gallon of milk landing inside a closed refrigerator.

497
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<v Speaker 2>I heard it land and I was just talking about

498
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<v Speaker 2>how I wish I had more milk for all these

499
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>kids who were here today, and then thump inside the fridge.

500
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<v Speaker 1>It made a thunk.

501
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.079
<v Speaker 2>It made a thumb. But that often happens. So when

502
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<v Speaker 2>I see things materialize, they usually drop from usually a

503
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<v Speaker 2>couple inches, like two three inches. It's happened a few times,

504
00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:00.880
<v Speaker 2>although sometimes like that time I kept dollar bill after

505
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:03.640
<v Speaker 2>dollar bill out of my wallet when I needed to

506
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:05.759
<v Speaker 2>give a cash tip to a waitress. I just kept

507
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.119
<v Speaker 2>shutting the wallet. So again, it's that privacy. Just give

508
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 2>it a moment, stay open minded. We need another dollar.

509
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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if there's another one here. Kids, because I

510
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:17.839
<v Speaker 2>was with my young daughters at the time. Kids are great,

511
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>They're very open to the sort of thing, so they're like,

512
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really occur to them that this should not

513
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<v Speaker 2>be possible yet, So I'm open minded. They were open minded,

514
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<v Speaker 2>and I just kept telling them, I think, is this

515
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<v Speaker 2>enough for the tip? Because I told them we need,

516
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>however many dollars, like six dollars or whatever. They said, no,

517
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 2>let's look again. So we just kept opening this magic

518
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.079
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a magic wallet, just my regular wallet. We'd

519
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:44.720
<v Speaker 2>open it again, pull out another dollar bill, like that's it,

520
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 2>but let me shut it and we'll see, you know,

521
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>should we look again? Like wow, wow, so much fun.

522
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>You did this multiple times, multiple times, but with children

523
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>who are just the best, because again, until they've been

524
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<v Speaker 2>told to such things are impossible, they don't know that.

525
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.279
<v Speaker 2>The beginner's mind is strong, so you're able to see

526
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>the true reality much more readily. And my daughters were

527
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>telling me things like my toy moved by itself, and

528
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I believe them. They were not lying to me. But

529
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 2>we're sort of an open household that way. So if

530
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>that happened, then I was interested, which toy? What did

531
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 2>it do? My toy horse? You know, it moved. It's

532
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 2>like it moved its the main you know, the hair

533
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>that's on it moved, Like, okay, which way did it move?

534
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I was just curious, like tell me more instead of

535
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 2>like that's impossible.

536
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was in Sedona. I was leading a retreat

537
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:38.839
<v Speaker 1>last month actually, and we had a UFO viewing guide

538
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and she had all the high tech stuff and you know,

539
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>on the way out to the desert, she stopped and

540
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.839
<v Speaker 1>did like a big foot who you know. She's like yeah,

541
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>coming out and then one of the things that she

542
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.599
<v Speaker 1>did really well, and I guess this is what a

543
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.839
<v Speaker 1>good you know, UFO viewing guide would do. So would

544
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>be like I saw some I saw some eyes in

545
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 1>the bushes. She's like, I didn't see it, but I

546
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 1>believe you and real affirming, you know that she believes

547
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 1>like what you're experiencing and that it might be totally

548
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>different from what the rest of the group is seeing.

549
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 2>That's really true for that phenomenon, for CE five, UFO

550
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 2>viewing and Bigfoot, that you have subjective experiences that are

551
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>wildly divergent and they can all be true and that's

552
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 2>part of the nature of reality too. And it's the

553
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.400
<v Speaker 2>heart of a paper that a co authored was one

554
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>of the hippies who Saved Physics, doctor George Weisman. So

555
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 2>we wrote about that. It's available on my website. You know,

556
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.839
<v Speaker 2>you can just grab the paper and read it if

557
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you want it like subjectivity Save Physics.

558
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I haven't heard that before.

559
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's a book. It's a great book by David Kaiser,

560
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.799
<v Speaker 2>and it features doctor Quantum from What the belief Do

561
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>we know. That's my friend Fred ellen Wolf. It features

562
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 2>some of the other folks as well. You know, the

563
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Rauscher was the lady that first started the group,

564
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.240
<v Speaker 2>and that was at UC Berkeley right where I'm right

565
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 2>in Berkeley right now. So the group started there and

566
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 2>some of the people, the original members are still in

567
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the Bay Area and they didn't want to just shut

568
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>up and calculate, and they wanted to know what's the

569
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>real nature of reality? What are we learning from quantum physics.

570
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to go deep into that mystery. And at

571
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>that time when quantu physics was new, people were told

572
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>shut up and calculate. We just need the bomb, we

573
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>just need atomic energy, so don't think about these big questions.

574
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.759
<v Speaker 2>But these are the people that thought about the big questions.

575
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Jack Sir Faddy was another one. He's still alive.

576
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>This is quite a while ago, so Elizabeth Rosher has

577
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>passed on, but Fred Allen Wolf is still with us.

578
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Jack Sir Faddy is still with us, and George Weisman

579
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 2>and some other people too. Henry's Stapp He doesn't make

580
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:39.200
<v Speaker 2>a big deal out of being there, but he was

581
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>there too. He's a wonderful author and physicist. And he

582
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 2>worked with Wolfgang Pauley, the guy that knew Carl Jung

583
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and was credited with helping him coin the term synchronicity.

584
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of a small world, you know, these

585
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>people know each other and I know them, and they're

586
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>very significant and the way that we now view reality

587
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 2>at consciousness and quantum physics, I think we need to

588
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.759
<v Speaker 2>give a lot of credit to these early pioneers, would.

589
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:13.039
<v Speaker 1>It be possible for you to summarize your current view

590
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 1>of how reality works?

591
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>It's ever changing, and so I know that I'm not

592
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 2>trying to be evasive, but we don't yet have a standard.

593
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 2>People may assume it's quantum physics. There's got to be

594
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 2>some agreed upon interpretation, like well, like when these hippies

595
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 2>who say physics looked at it, then what did they

596
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.519
<v Speaker 2>agree on? No agreement yet. I had a little quantum

597
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>paradigm evening at my house where I asked all these

598
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<v Speaker 2>physicists to please come and give a ten minute synopsis

599
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.839
<v Speaker 2>of your favorite theory. And they were all very different.

600
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<v Speaker 2>And these are the folks that were interested in, you know,

601
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 2>what's really happening. So some people prefer to look at

602
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 2>this idea of kind of this, you know, it's kind

603
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 2>the pop the If you're familiar with watching what the

604
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 2>belief do we know? Then they share the No, you

605
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know that movie. Oh it's worthwile, Oh my gosh,

606
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I got to see it. So it's been out for

607
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a while now. But it presents this idea of the

608
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 2>multiverse and that there are all these different possibilities. And

609
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>it also talks about how we are the observers that

610
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>are basically influencing what we observe by the way that

611
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 2>we observe it. So I think that movie kind of

612
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>fell into sort of obscurity because it features Romtha and

613
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>so some people aren't into channeled material. But if you

614
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>just but if you don't like the channeled material, just

615
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 2>focus on the physics of it. It's still really powerful and

616
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 2>the biology in ourselves what makes us so special that

617
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 2>we can observe things differently. So it's pretty cool. And

618
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>So to answer your question, I like a lot of

619
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>the theories, so many of them have I think que

620
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 2>of physics is kind of like The Blind Men and

621
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.039
<v Speaker 2>the Elephant. So we can say it's just the Bomium

622
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>interpretation where you're popping the wave function and you observe

623
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<v Speaker 2>it and then you see what the way you're observing it,

624
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<v Speaker 2>So that's the Copenhagen interpretation. Then there's a transactional interpretation

625
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 2>saying that you can actually influence the past and we

626
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>do it all the time. That's true, we do. So

627
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I love the transactional interpretation. I love the multiverse theory,

628
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>which the first one of those was founded by Hugh

629
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<v Speaker 2>Everett the third, and that's just saying that all these

630
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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like when we talked earlier, like this

631
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<v Speaker 2>is the version of me that's alive, and some dead

632
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 2>version of me actually hit the deer or died of pneumonia,

633
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>what have you. Yeah, So I like a lot of these,

634
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and I like the holographic interpretation by David Bom that

635
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<v Speaker 2>says that the way you look at things, it's like

636
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 2>the whole is unfolded into the you know, the small,

637
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>so you can unfold it and refold it. There's this

638
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 2>sort of like it's like a gallon of paint that

639
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>has a red drop in the white and as you

640
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>stir it, it gets mixed up and then as you

641
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>un yeah, you can unstir it, it comes back separate again.

642
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>The David Bom holographic interpretation is like the little man

643
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 2>that's mapped into the ear accuapressure. With the ear, you're

644
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>fixing your whole body. So it's the awareness that the

645
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>small is, you know, it contains everything within you. I

646
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>think that's true. So I'm not being cagy or evasive.

647
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, yes, this is the trunk of the elephant.

648
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>These are the feet, this is the legs, so's there's

649
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.039
<v Speaker 2>definitely a transactional component, there is a multiverse component, there

650
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.519
<v Speaker 2>is an observer component, and I think quantum physics is

651
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>playing with us, and so we find a way to

652
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.119
<v Speaker 2>pull it all together. And so far we haven't really

653
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>done that. Maybe it'll come with mathematics guiding us with

654
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 2>something like that. I don't want to get too obtuse

655
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>with the mathematics again, but there are some topographies and

656
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>geometries that are indicative that the mathematics will be changing.

657
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I think with AI it will be playing with these mathematics,

658
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>going into higher level dimension dimensionality and showing us Now

659
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 2>it all comes together. You know, there's this higher dimensions

660
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:01.119
<v Speaker 2>bringing an orthogonal quality, which is the theory that Philip K.

661
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Dick had about what's He knew that reality was shifting.

662
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>He noticed, you know, he gave a talk in France

663
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 2>talking in the you know, decades ago about how you

664
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 2>might just go one day to flip a light switch

665
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.079
<v Speaker 2>or something and it's in the different place, It's not

666
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 2>where it was before. He was very cognizant that this

667
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>is happening, and so I include those experiences in the

668
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>book that I just wrote too, because Carl Jung also

669
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:34.400
<v Speaker 2>experienced it, and possibly others also were experiencing these things

670
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 2>and we didn't have a term for it. So it's

671
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:41.320
<v Speaker 2>these are data points that are very valuable. So I

672
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the theories, and I'm still looking

673
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.639
<v Speaker 2>for what's the holy grail of put it all together?

674
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.719
<v Speaker 2>May require higher mathematics to do that. I think we're

675
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 2>going to. I think we may see it in our lifetime.

676
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Now that I'm not the biggest fan of AI because

677
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:55.679
<v Speaker 2>it has a lot of garbage, so you have to

678
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.119
<v Speaker 2>observe what its results are. But with these kind of tools,

679
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>it can st I think it's good at mathematics. It

680
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 2>can be, and so it can start showing us how

681
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 2>are ways that we can put these things together? And

682
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 2>then it's going to be up to us. Can we

683
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 2>catch up and follow what it's saying? Can our brains

684
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>this grasp this? Can we process that?

685
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about I think there is an experiment retrocausality,

686
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:25.639
<v Speaker 1>experiment influencing backwards through time. Maybe there's more than one,

687
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 1>but if you know that one, there have been several.

688
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and usually they work with the most elegant experiment

689
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the double slit experiment. So that's a good one because

690
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the one if people are not familiar. Then there's

691
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>one quantum particle like a photon being emitted, usually one

692
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>at a time, that goes through this passageway of two

693
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>slits in a screen and then it lands on the

694
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>final screen. And so based on where the observational device

695
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 2>or lack thereof occurs, you can basically you know what's

696
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 2>going to happen with the photon emitter. And so what

697
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 2>makes this so interesting with the you know observings, you

698
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 2>know this through time and watching what happens. Can you

699
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of present or future observation effect what happened in

700
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the past. The answer appears to definitely be yes, and

701
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 2>so that that can be measured by the way that

702
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 2>these observational devices are placed with the future decision influencing

703
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.079
<v Speaker 2>where that went and then what happened, and so it

704
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>gets kind of complicated pretty quickly, but that apparatus has

705
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 2>been very useful for determining that. It also is extremely

706
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.840
<v Speaker 2>useful in showing that you can have two observers at

707
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the same place at the same time witnessing two different realities.

708
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.880
<v Speaker 2>And to me that was a breakthrough finding from twenty nineteen,

709
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>which I think deserved to be on front page news

710
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 2>because it ties in with what we're witnessing. You know,

711
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.639
<v Speaker 2>those of us that are like your wife working with QAHT.

712
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, any of us that are aware, very intimately

713
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 2>aware that reality is completely malleable and that the way

714
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>we're observing things is making a difference. Then we also

715
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>usually start noticing that if you talk about something that

716
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>happened in your childhood with your childhood friend or your

717
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 2>sibling or your parents, they don't remember it the way

718
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you did, and they may have very detailed descriptions of

719
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>what happened, and you might find out that's so different

720
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>than when I remembered happening, that is actually normal, that

721
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 2>actually happens a lot more than people realize, and both

722
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 2>can be true, and that's where it gets trippy. And

723
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 2>so all of this factors into this matter of the

724
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.800
<v Speaker 2>future affecting the past, that you can be affecting your

725
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>own past in ways that are different than your siblings,

726
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 2>than your childhood friend, than your parents are and you're

727
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 2>therefore ending up with a different past than theirs. And

728
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:46.079
<v Speaker 2>this is today.

729
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 1>I had a guest on my show a few years

730
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 1>ago telling me about they had done some trauma healing

731
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 1>work with a client and their client reported that they

732
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>went back, so it was around like their family and stuff,

733
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and they went back and looked at family photo albums

734
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>because they had sort of changed their perspective on the

735
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 1>events that had happened, and they went and the photo

736
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>album was different. It was like these common family events

737
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>were photographed completely differently based on the work that they

738
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 1>had done to resolve some of these issues. And that

739
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:32.800
<v Speaker 1>that was quite profound for me. Wow when I heard that.

740
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful. Yeah, and it matches what some of the

741
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 2>reporters who were early on covering the Mandela Effect were noticing.

742
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Some of them noticed family photos changing, and which is

743
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>something that the reporters who were just trying to be

744
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.440
<v Speaker 2>objective covering the topic, like, okay, the Mandela Effect, why

745
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.239
<v Speaker 2>do people believe in this crazy thing? And then the

746
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>next thing that they know, a family photo on the

747
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>wall is different than it used to be, which was

748
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 2>mind blowing. And the reporter covered that as well, saying

749
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 2>like this just happened to me, So.

750
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Like traditional journalists, you mean, who started reporting yes on this?

751
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And so this is Mandel effect topic is going mainstream

752
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>because it's showing up on game shows on TV, the

753
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 2>New York Times crossword puzzle, regular journalists covering it and

754
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 2>noticing this is happening to me. So it's increasingly coming

755
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.800
<v Speaker 2>into just you know, the public lexicon, although people may

756
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 2>still attribute it to a different cause than I would.

757
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I notice. My definition would be collective alternate memory. And

758
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.679
<v Speaker 2>currently if you look it up on you know whatever, Wikipedia,

759
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you might find it says something like false miss you know,

760
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 2>collective misremembering, false memories, collective false memories, all that sort

761
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 2>of thing. I agree with the collective part, but I

762
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>would not call them false memories. These are alternate memories.

763
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.159
<v Speaker 2>And you can tell the difference for yourself when it's

764
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 2>your childhood or your family photo album and you know

765
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>what those photos used to be. Though now that the

766
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 2>only proof you could ever get of it is to

767
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 2>draw a sketch of what you remember and ask other

768
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.559
<v Speaker 2>family members, okay, can you draw a picture what it

769
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 2>used to be? Because you have to recreate it at

770
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 2>this point, it's not although.

771
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 1>We've seen the people that have like an old video

772
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 1>camera and hold it up to the Berenstein Bears book

773
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and it shows how it used to be, and then

774
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 1>they hold the book up and it shows Berenstain, but

775
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>when in the viewfinder of the old camera shows Berenstein,

776
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>like it allows you to look through to the other reality.

777
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to me, that looks like just you know, filmmaking, creativity,

778
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 2>just playfulness with the medium, because I've not yet ever

779
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 2>seen any or heard anyone writing or sharing with me

780
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 2>like I've got one of those devices. It works. Do

781
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 2>you want to see it? Let's you know, I'll bring

782
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 2>it to a conference, I'll show you. Nothing like that's happened.

783
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 2>So until until it's something like that where like, oh

784
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, they really do have something. It really does this,

785
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't really I put a lot of stock in that,

786
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.920
<v Speaker 2>And but it does kind of go along with the

787
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.920
<v Speaker 2>human tendency to think that there's some technological magic, like

788
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 2>we'll have a device that will do this. People, you know,

789
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.800
<v Speaker 2>we love these toys and so like we're kind of

790
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.519
<v Speaker 2>enchanted with that idea, like, oh, looked, it's happening, but

791
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I haven't yet seen anything doing that.

792
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Speaker 1>That would be Yeah, that would be really cool to

793
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 1>be able to peer through. But then it's like, what

794
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 1>where are we peering into like what version of reality?

795
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.519
<v Speaker 1>You know? Like, okay, it's giving us this result of

796
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 1>this Mendela experience that we that we know, but are

797
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 1>we actually looking into the parallel reality that we remember,

798
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, if we if we had some sort of

799
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 1>looking device. So yeah, what gosh, how how how does

800
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>it happen? Then that let's take the let's take the

801
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:00.119
<v Speaker 1>comment when the Nelson Mandela like, what is going on

802
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that that reality no longer exists where he died in prison?

803
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, let's go through it. Let's start with it

804
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>was in nineteen eighty seven that some people remember quite

805
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 2>clearly that he passed away. And there's a woman who's

806
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.239
<v Speaker 2>an author in a book Mandela effect friend or foe,

807
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Eileen Coltz, and I share this in nine book as well.

808
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>These are things I cover, but you can also look

809
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.800
<v Speaker 2>up her book. She was a reporter that went to

810
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 2>South Africa to cover She wanted to interview Nelson Mandela,

811
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 2>so she went for that purpose. It was nineteen eighty seven,

812
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 2>so she knows when it happened. And she got there

813
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.719
<v Speaker 2>and she couldn't interview him because he had died, So

814
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 2>she knows that that happened. She was a reporter she'd been.

815
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 2>I think she was a reporter in England, also a

816
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.880
<v Speaker 2>reporter I believe in the United States, So I think

817
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 2>she was traveling from England when she went there. I

818
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 2>can't ask her now because she's passed away, but she

819
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>did write about it in her book, and I think

820
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 2>that's a good starting point because that pinpoints at date

821
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:02.199
<v Speaker 2>and a timeframe and a place. Now if I subsequent

822
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>to that, Obviously, if you look this up, you might say, like,

823
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, I remember Nelson Mandela died like ten

824
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago or so, and he became president of South Africa.

825
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 2>How could he do that if he was in prison. Well,

826
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 2>what people share when like myself and others get together

827
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 2>and talk about this, and this is true for people

828
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.360
<v Speaker 2>typically not in South Africa. I think Eileen could do

829
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 2>that while she was there because she was from outside

830
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.639
<v Speaker 2>South Africa. So the people that are quantum zeno affect checking, checking, checking,

831
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 2>it's just the observe, observe, absorb, kind of like your

832
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 2>OCD about something if you live in South Africa. To them,

833
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 2>he never died. He was just he was imprisoned on

834
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Robin's Island. But he didn't die there. He was released

835
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>from prison, he regains stature in the community. Then he

836
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 2>went on to run for president, became president, so on

837
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and so forth. But for outside of the country, I've

838
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 2>received reports from lots of people that I respect and

839
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>trust who say that they remember where they were when

840
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 2>they heard about it when he died. They were in

841
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>school and their teacher used it as a teaching moment

842
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>and talked about what's going on in South Africa and

843
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>apartheid and all that. So they remember all sorts of

844
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.119
<v Speaker 2>details about his widow because when he died, when he

845
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>was incarcerated, his widow wanted rightfully to retain some of

846
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>his estate and there was a whole big legal mess

847
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>that happened when he died in prison. A lot of

848
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>us remember that, but now it never happened. There was

849
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>no legal mess, so anyway, so it's kind of like

850
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.119
<v Speaker 2>two reality paths in general, two big ones, but there

851
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.280
<v Speaker 2>could be lots of little details that are different for

852
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.239
<v Speaker 2>each independent observer based on where they were, Like, oh,

853
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:48.440
<v Speaker 2>my teacher told us about apartheid. I know when he died,

854
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.519
<v Speaker 2>and I remember that well. And that was someone that

855
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 2>wrote to me from France. In America, I remember it vaguely,

856
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 2>but I do remember. It wasn't the main thing I

857
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>was paying attention to, but it was something like, yeah,

858
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I do remember that. So it was weird when he

859
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:01.960
<v Speaker 2>was alive again.

860
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 1>And are there circumstances that would push our shared reality

861
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.239
<v Speaker 1>to sort of lock into the way it is now?

862
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Forces that would push it? Consciousness is the prime I mean,

863
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.079
<v Speaker 2>this whole phenomenon gets us to investigate who are we

864
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and what's reality? And so if you go that, if

865
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 2>you go back that far, then I would agree with

866
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the physicists and the people who are currently saying consciousness

867
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.440
<v Speaker 2>is at the root of everything. So what we think

868
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.199
<v Speaker 2>is real is basically like a dream or a simulation,

869
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Speaker 2>which are similar ways of saying the same thing. So

870
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>if that's true, then what's pushing reality? We all are.

871
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 2>We all have a causative effect on the reality that

872
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>we're co creating, and to the degree that we can

873
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:55.559
<v Speaker 2>become self reflective and meta cognitive in other words, aware that,

874
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.599
<v Speaker 2>like I Cynthia am now talking with Derek, if I

875
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>can take this view of and then I can start

876
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 2>talking as Cynthia is now feeling inspired by these questions

877
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and challenged to try to express this in a clear way.

878
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>So I'm noticing what Cynthia's thinking and feeling, but who

879
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>is who am I? If I can do that, that's

880
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>the metacognition. If I'm able to notice Cynthia's pretty grounded. Now,

881
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty calm that that's not me noticing. It's like

882
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking down, I'm seeing myself. So to the degree

883
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 2>we can do that, we are pushing reality. But I

884
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.440
<v Speaker 2>think what you're getting at, are there dark forces or

885
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 2>something maybe? Or are we in a battle between good

886
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and evil? That's what people often go there with that.

887
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess my question was broader in like what

888
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:44.559
<v Speaker 1>would let's say it could go either way, like we

889
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.760
<v Speaker 1>could remember and the history could reflect, oh he did

890
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>die in prison, Like what would tip it over the

891
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.360
<v Speaker 1>over the edge one way or the other kind of thing.

892
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for a lot of people who weren't right. Again,

893
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 2>if you happen to be living in South Africa, then

894
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.400
<v Speaker 2>for you probably do to the quantum Zeno effect. In

895
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.199
<v Speaker 2>other words, hearing about Nelson Mandela constantly, is he still

896
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 2>in jail? Yeah, he's still in jail. How's he holding up?

897
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Pretty good? I mean his bez just can be expected.

898
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>He's healthy anyway, so they're doing that check check, check

899
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 2>on so he never died for them. But if you're

900
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.559
<v Speaker 2>outside of that range and you're not checking on Nelson

901
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 2>and Della every day, hearing about him almost every day,

902
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:22.559
<v Speaker 2>then he's kind of out of site, out of mind.

903
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.199
<v Speaker 2>It is like shutting the cupboard and me hoping, I

904
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 2>hope the spice just decides to return. That would be

905
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 2>so cool. So it's kind of like out of site,

906
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>out of mind. Weird things can happen. So at a

907
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.800
<v Speaker 2>site out of mind, not checking every day, we just

908
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.119
<v Speaker 2>hear the news, Oh he passed away, and the shock

909
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.519
<v Speaker 2>like what why? What happened? How did he die? I

910
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.280
<v Speaker 2>guess old age if he was killed. Nobody's admitting it,

911
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.400
<v Speaker 2>like that's suspicious, Well what happened? Was he sick? You know?

912
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 2>So we're asking questions, we're remembering it. So it's a

913
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.760
<v Speaker 2>different experience if you're in it or out of it.

914
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.079
<v Speaker 2>So pushing it. But the case that I think you're

915
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 2>really getting at is what if you remember it both ways?

916
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:58.719
<v Speaker 2>That one's a little hard to remember it both ways.

917
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Although for someone like me that's outside of South Africa,

918
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm the only one it would have to be outside

919
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.519
<v Speaker 2>of South Africa to be able to remember it both ways,

920
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 2>to remember I think he was okay in jail, he

921
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't did he die? And then I start questioning my

922
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 2>own memory. That one wasn't a super strong one for

923
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 2>me personally, but for me Larry Hagman the actor was

924
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.320
<v Speaker 2>much stronger. Or my roommate's cat that died and then

925
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 2>was back alive again. So those were super clear, both

926
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>of those, Like, oh, I know for sure Larry Hagman died.

927
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 2>He went into surgery and died, you know, right afterward,

928
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Like he did not survive that operation. They kind of

929
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.360
<v Speaker 2>stitched them up in me. But now that never happened.

930
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 2>That happened so long, I've been very few people remember

931
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that one, but I've met a few.

932
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Actually. I have a fun story because I sent your

933
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>book to my dad for him to read. He's a

934
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 1>scientist by training and career, and so I was like, oh,

935
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>great scientists writing a book about this stuff. Who you know?

936
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I think there's like permission to consume weird material if

937
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 1>you know a qualified scientist is there explaining it. And

938
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 1>on my Instagram a video of someone showing it was

939
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.599
<v Speaker 1>one of the James Bond films where the girl like

940
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have braces, but the whole joke is, yeah, which

941
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 1>one is that?

942
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Her name I think is Dolly in the character's name Dolly.

943
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 1>In which film was it? Oh gosh, the other character's

944
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:26.400
<v Speaker 1>jaws gold It could be I'm Goldfinger.

945
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't remember exactly which one that.

946
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Was anyway, So okay, but the story is it pops

947
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 1>up on my Instagram and it's like this person explaining

948
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.840
<v Speaker 1>the Mendel effect and showing a clip. Look here, she

949
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have braces in the film. Why would they conclude

950
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.159
<v Speaker 1>this scene which is like this big joke, Yes, and

951
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.800
<v Speaker 1>everyone remembers her having braces. And then I told my

952
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.440
<v Speaker 1>dad about it, and he's like, look, I just finished

953
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.440
<v Speaker 1>reading this paragraph, like just before you arrived. And I

954
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:57.039
<v Speaker 1>was like, whoa, that's synchronicity. But it was since we've

955
00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 1>since I sent him the book, we've had a few

956
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.519
<v Speaker 1>like cool synchronicity, Interesting synchronicities.

957
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nice. Well to me, the synchronicity is a form

958
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of reality shift and Mandela effect. It's the way that

959
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:12.119
<v Speaker 2>consciousness is playing with reality, Like, guys, did you get that?

960
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Did you see that? So it feels like there's a

961
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.880
<v Speaker 2>level of our own consciousness, inviting us to level up,

962
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.360
<v Speaker 2>to pay more attention, not to be asleep at the wheel,

963
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.199
<v Speaker 2>but to recognize, like, what if we are creating quite

964
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 2>a bit of what's going on around us, how might

965
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that play out well? Like a synchronicity obviously, and doctor

966
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Bernard Bittman I mentioned his work quite a bit in

967
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.800
<v Speaker 2>my book about the Mandela effect because he points out

968
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:41.360
<v Speaker 2>the synchronicity and meaningful coincidence happens when people are open

969
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.480
<v Speaker 2>minded and they're looking for what is the nature of reality?

970
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.559
<v Speaker 2>They're asking the meta questions, and they're also having that

971
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:51.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of metical cognition that I've been talking about. So

972
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.760
<v Speaker 2>these are the activating requirements. Once you've got these, then

973
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you're good to go for synchronicity and meaningful coincidence. And like,

974
00:50:59.039 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>it's so much fun.

975
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:04.039
<v Speaker 1>It is fun, and we've adopted your how good can

976
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 1>it get? Expression? It's beautiful. It's like such a simple

977
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>thing to reset and open up possibility. I'm wondering because

978
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned I can't remember what it was, but like,

979
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:23.199
<v Speaker 1>what exercises do you use? Oh and part of where

980
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.519
<v Speaker 1>my question, let me let me ask this. We just

981
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.599
<v Speaker 1>started this school to teach a lot of the stuff

982
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>to kits. Telekinesis, telepathy, weather, manipulation, you know, working with energy,

983
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.840
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. And I don't know if you have

984
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>any exercises that you think might be really fun specifically

985
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:43.599
<v Speaker 1>to do with kids.

986
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, kids are wonderful, so you're doing some good ones.

987
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>You know. Psychokinesis is good. You can you work with

988
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.880
<v Speaker 2>them to make a little If you gets some plastic boxes.

989
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:55.960
<v Speaker 2>This is a fun thing I used to do as workshops.

990
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Is a little sealed plastic box and then inside on

991
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the lit turn it upside down, so the lid of

992
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 2>the little plastic box it should be see through so

993
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>you can see inside. And on the lid you can

994
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>create like some clay or something and stick a pin

995
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 2>on it and then balance on top of that head

996
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:15.119
<v Speaker 2>of the pointy end of the needle, create a little

997
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 2>aluminum foil. It looks like a pin wheel. Yeah, and

998
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.920
<v Speaker 2>it can spin inside. They put the case back together

999
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and without using any heat or you don't need to

1000
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 2>put your hands over it, so it should be able

1001
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:30.559
<v Speaker 2>to be operated just through intention. You could be able

1002
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.800
<v Speaker 2>to get spinning motion going. And that's a fun thing

1003
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 2>to do with kids. They're also usually really good at

1004
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 2>spoon bending, so you could do a spoon bending party.

1005
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.280
<v Speaker 2>All those things are fun. And then you mentioned the

1006
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 2>weather changing. That's a good one. Telepathy is good communicating

1007
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.880
<v Speaker 2>with animals and really learning that with telepathy, everything is

1008
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.760
<v Speaker 2>listening to you. For adults, that seems to be the

1009
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>confusion factor that they think that they're going to be. Now,

1010
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be listening to my pet and I

1011
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 2>need I feel like the thing that they the adults

1012
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 2>seem to not realize. And some kids even have gotten

1013
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.079
<v Speaker 2>and culturated to think that nobody knows what you're thinking.

1014
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 2>That's so not true. And animals are especially good at

1015
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 2>reading our thoughts, and they're reading not just the brain

1016
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 2>waves from the remember the cephalic kid, but also from

1017
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.760
<v Speaker 2>the cardiac brain and also from the enteric gut and brain.

1018
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, like animals can smell fear, but they're really

1019
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:27.559
<v Speaker 2>picking up the brain waves from the gut. And then

1020
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:31.239
<v Speaker 2>heart Math Institute works with the heart coherence of course,

1021
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:33.679
<v Speaker 2>so a lot of heart math stuff would be good

1022
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.440
<v Speaker 2>for kids. But you know, in the indigenous games that

1023
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:41.039
<v Speaker 2>indigenous kids used to play, they would do the psychic

1024
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 2>games like we do. Things like very similar to when

1025
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:48.199
<v Speaker 2>you do rock and the paper and scissors, and you

1026
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.280
<v Speaker 2>could do that behind your back. The Native American kids

1027
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.599
<v Speaker 2>were doing games like that, but I think they were

1028
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 2>doing it with the animals and so forth. So it's

1029
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of a telepathy where kids can play the game,

1030
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 2>but also what they really are working on is telepathically

1031
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>both you know, the person who's playing behind their back,

1032
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 2>they're blocking, concealing what they're doing, trying to because remember

1033
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:14.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody's site gick and everybody is actually quite telepathic, much

1034
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>more receptive than we realize, much more psychokinetics too. So

1035
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 2>this kind of a game is a fun one, just

1036
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.239
<v Speaker 2>a real time get some you know, fun experience, you know,

1037
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 2>seeing if you can guess is it going to You

1038
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.760
<v Speaker 2>can just do it with rock paper scissors because people

1039
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.239
<v Speaker 2>know that, but do you know, you can either do

1040
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 2>it so it's concealed, or try variations of it. Try

1041
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 2>letting the kids make up new variations, like how can

1042
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>you change this so it's more fun? Ask them, because

1043
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:43.000
<v Speaker 2>they're still open minded, ask them to create new games

1044
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:47.880
<v Speaker 2>that invite everybody they're working with to expand their abilities,

1045
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 2>because it's all about expanding an existing capability set. And

1046
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 2>we've already got these abilities, most of them are lying

1047
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.199
<v Speaker 2>somewhat dormant or we've actively suppressed them in some way.

1048
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.719
<v Speaker 2>And then definitely bring in many of the contact modalities

1049
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 2>of opening up that kind of you know, unblocking the

1050
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 2>left brain. And you can do it by things like chanting, dancing, drumming,

1051
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.079
<v Speaker 2>the things that Shaman's have been doing. Music is very good.

1052
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a whole book about contact modalities that's all about

1053
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.639
<v Speaker 2>opening that up and it was co authored by Grant

1054
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Cameron and Desta Barnaby and it's called Contact Modalities, and

1055
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of those might be good for kids. It

1056
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 2>just goes through dozens, if not hundreds of these ways

1057
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:34.559
<v Speaker 2>to basically break reopen the giving oneself permission to do

1058
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 2>all this. And you might think kids don't need it,

1059
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 2>but they actually do. It's amazing how inculturated they get

1060
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:43.519
<v Speaker 2>by age five even or let alone age seven. So

1061
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 2>it's good to help them just and just give them

1062
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.400
<v Speaker 2>like a different exercise each day, like today we'll be chanting,

1063
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 2>today we'll be drumming, you know, and that's kind of fun,

1064
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and let them know the goal is to open up

1065
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:59.199
<v Speaker 2>your dream space, your day dream space, and when they

1066
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.079
<v Speaker 2>know that that's what the doing it for that purpose,

1067
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:03.880
<v Speaker 2>then they can try different things and find what works

1068
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 2>for them because intuition is so important. And kids are

1069
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 2>great at dowsing, you know, working with energy rods, and

1070
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.920
<v Speaker 2>then they can expand or can track their energy field

1071
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and see that happen in real time just with regular

1072
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.159
<v Speaker 2>coat hangers. It doesn't need to be anything expensive. And

1073
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>kids are they have so much fun with all this

1074
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and then you can say like, okay, now expand your

1075
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.679
<v Speaker 2>field and then the friend can see like whoa, look

1076
00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 2>where it is now? So fun stuff like that. There's

1077
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 2>so many more things you can do, so much. Kids

1078
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:34.760
<v Speaker 2>are the future for sure.

1079
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 1>My dad used to tell this story about his grandfather

1080
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 1>who was a dowser and like, people would you know,

1081
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.480
<v Speaker 1>bring him in to find out where to dig for

1082
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.920
<v Speaker 1>water or to find out, you know, where to put

1083
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 1>their house or stuff like that. So you always told

1084
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that story. And I was like, we should get a

1085
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.519
<v Speaker 1>set of dowsing rods, and so yeah, order this set

1086
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>of the copper l shaped dowsing rods and handed him

1087
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:03.199
<v Speaker 1>to him. Yeah exactly, the oh the ones that can

1088
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.880
<v Speaker 1>swing freely. Yeah, And I was like, why don't you

1089
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 1>go out in your front yard and see if you

1090
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.039
<v Speaker 1>can dowse for the the holes, like the pipes, the

1091
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.800
<v Speaker 1>water pipes, and they would cross when he went like

1092
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.920
<v Speaker 1>across the water mean, and he's like, I can do it.

1093
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:17.719
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

1094
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so. It's so funny. I bring my dad

1095
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 1>up because he's like both a skeptic and a willing

1096
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 1>believer at the same time, which I think a lot

1097
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of people sort of fall into that, right camp.

1098
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good place to be. It's it's

1099
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 2>not so far. Your mind's not so open that your

1100
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 2>brains are falling out, but it's open enough. Like you

1101
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.599
<v Speaker 2>got enough skepticism, like, well, let's see, I need a

1102
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.039
<v Speaker 2>little proof here. I need some kind of confirmation, validation, verification.

1103
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 2>So that's cool, it's cool that that happened.

1104
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I you know myself, I was trained as a

1105
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 1>scientist as well, went to grad school, and the way

1106
00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I sort of look at it, it was like really good

1107
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.519
<v Speaker 1>for me to understand how science works these days, like

1108
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:09.559
<v Speaker 1>what is the inner workings of the machine, so to speak,

1109
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and designing good experiments and inquiry and stuff like that. Yeah,

1110
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like there's the fundamental problem in science

1111
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:21.840
<v Speaker 1>is that we don't account for the participation of the

1112
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 1>scientists and the you know, the fact that we're trying

1113
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 1>to isolate the thing that we're studying from the rest

1114
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of the world around it, and isolation is sort of impossible. Yes,

1115
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So do you think science like how we're doing science?

1116
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Is it is kind of Is it actually accurate? Is

1117
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:43.280
<v Speaker 1>it worth doing it the way that we do it?

1118
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I love the work speaking of scientists that I greatly

1119
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:49.440
<v Speaker 2>respect and admire, Doctor Dean Rayden is one of those,

1120
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>and his new book About Real Magic actually asks that

1121
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.719
<v Speaker 2>question because if the direction of the research he's doing

1122
00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and is reporting on is true, which it seems to be,

1123
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:06.239
<v Speaker 2>it shows that individuals can and do effect the very

1124
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.440
<v Speaker 2>experiment that they're in. Oh, he'll do these kinds of

1125
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.360
<v Speaker 2>experiments such as working with an interferometer. I was actually

1126
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>fortunate to be in that experiment that he did just

1127
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 2>the other year, and he constructed interferometers that he sent

1128
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:24.119
<v Speaker 2>to fifty people, and we were just told as members

1129
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:26.000
<v Speaker 2>of the group, we were just told that what we'd

1130
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.000
<v Speaker 2>be doing is attempting to influence something that's the most

1131
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 2>delicate piece of instrumentation known to scientists right now that

1132
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:37.719
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of mass produce, you know, like print,

1133
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, print out the little device and ship it out.

1134
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Still kind of expensive. My little device arrived and it

1135
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.599
<v Speaker 2>was wrapped in metallic wire. The whole thing was shiny,

1136
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.840
<v Speaker 2>So I knew that this one has a Farita cage. Cool,

1137
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.800
<v Speaker 2>so you know, no problem. So I was still able

1138
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 2>to influence it. I knew I could. What I didn't

1139
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.880
<v Speaker 2>know is that what Dean Raydan was really doing is

1140
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.920
<v Speaker 2>looking at what he calls magicians and meditators. And so

1141
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the people that were just meditating, and they're good at that,

1142
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:07.320
<v Speaker 2>they've been doing it for decades, nothing wrong with that,

1143
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.719
<v Speaker 2>but they're not practicing influencing reality like what you're doing

1144
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.719
<v Speaker 2>with your kids, like changing the weather and stuff. Versus

1145
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the magicians would be like the kids that come through

1146
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.119
<v Speaker 2>your program. The magicians are I mean, both groups could

1147
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:23.880
<v Speaker 2>have some effect, but the magicians had a phenomenal, profound

1148
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 2>effect on influencing something, even inside the verity cage that

1149
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 2>you know. According to materialist rational science, a subjective observer

1150
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.400
<v Speaker 2>cannot do that. You know, an observer you're just watching it.

1151
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:40.639
<v Speaker 2>You can't influence a device without touching it. Arth and

1152
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 2>if you touch that interferometer, it goes squawk, you know,

1153
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. It'll pick up even if a very

1154
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 2>large car drives by the house, so you can't affect

1155
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 2>with it or mess with it. And so to's changed.

1156
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 2>The way it's responding to the pattern of light is

1157
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.239
<v Speaker 2>such a delicate process that the fact that we're able

1158
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.280
<v Speaker 2>to do that clearly indicate something's going on. So the science,

1159
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I think, and then what okay, where I'm going with

1160
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.000
<v Speaker 2>all this deemed He does these experiments, he's reporting on them,

1161
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.639
<v Speaker 2>he's brilliant, and then he points out, okay, if this

1162
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.239
<v Speaker 2>is really true, like I'm seeing that it must be,

1163
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 2>then this is kind of the end of science as

1164
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.239
<v Speaker 2>we know it. It's exactly what you're getting at because

1165
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.639
<v Speaker 2>our old assumptions that you can do these experiments and

1166
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.800
<v Speaker 2>the experimenter themselves is not influencing it. Like, we have

1167
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to throw that out as well, you know, because everybody

1168
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:31.239
<v Speaker 2>that's involved influences and that's where science is going. But

1169
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.280
<v Speaker 2>we don't yet have the foundation of how does that work.

1170
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 2>We have the experimental process that you have a hypothesis

1171
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:41.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you set up your experimental apparatus and

1172
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.039
<v Speaker 2>then you get your results and you can objectively observe it.

1173
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.320
<v Speaker 2>But what if you can't objectively observe it? What if

1174
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.840
<v Speaker 2>objectivity is gone? And I think that one's been gone

1175
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.159
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, ever since quantum physics came in.

1176
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.840
<v Speaker 2>But until now, we haven't really been bold enough to

1177
01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:59.199
<v Speaker 2>start calling for we need a new science here, you know,

1178
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 2>we need a new math of things like that amplituhedron

1179
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.719
<v Speaker 2>that I was referring to earlier. I didn't really say it,

1180
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.760
<v Speaker 2>but that's one kind of mathematic mathematics that might help

1181
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:14.039
<v Speaker 2>us start thinking in a new way. And we need

1182
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.639
<v Speaker 2>a new process too. How do we conduct this kind

1183
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.360
<v Speaker 2>of science? If we know that we're having this effect,

1184
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:21.920
<v Speaker 2>then how do we move forward? Now?

1185
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so interesting, you know. I was my research

1186
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:30.400
<v Speaker 1>was in extremophiles in Yellowstone and I did this big survey,

1187
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 1>went out to all these different hot springs, boiling acid

1188
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:39.000
<v Speaker 1>hot springs to look for viruses, and largely Archaia single

1189
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.320
<v Speaker 1>cell organisms that live in extreme environments are usually Archaia

1190
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.679
<v Speaker 1>instead of bacteria. And I discovered a couple of new

1191
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.000
<v Speaker 1>species and it was really exciting. And now I sort

1192
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.039
<v Speaker 1>of wonder if because there was there was. I did

1193
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.719
<v Speaker 1>have a wonderful Eureka moment as a scientist where I

1194
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.559
<v Speaker 1>like saw for the first time in my electron microscope

1195
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this thing that I knew for sure was my virus.

1196
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 1>And because it didn't look like anything I had ever

1197
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.960
<v Speaker 1>seen and it was definitely biological, I was like, Oh,

1198
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 1>this is it. Eureka. I almost wonder if I manifested

1199
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that now. Yeah, because it was such a cool you know,

1200
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:17.159
<v Speaker 1>that's like kind of why I went back to grad

1201
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:18.920
<v Speaker 1>school because I wanted to have an experience like that.

1202
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, totally. I think we manifest each other sometimes,

1203
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:27.960
<v Speaker 2>like I'm new for you. I met a physicist who

1204
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:31.199
<v Speaker 2>I attended. He was in a movie called Particle Fever.

1205
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:34.360
<v Speaker 2>But he's not a particle physicist. He's a he's the

1206
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:37.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of physics I don't really particle physicist and no

1207
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.320
<v Speaker 2>offense to them, but they're not my big thing, much

1208
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.760
<v Speaker 2>more into the theoretical physics. So he's a theoretical physicist.

1209
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.199
<v Speaker 2>And I saw his name plate up on the front.

1210
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, there was going to be a question and

1211
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:51.920
<v Speaker 2>answer after the movie, and there's his name, Yes, Nori Numura,

1212
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking this is great He's not in my

1213
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.760
<v Speaker 2>book Quantum Jemps because he didn't exist then. But I

1214
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:01.440
<v Speaker 2>always show illustrations from his papers and talk about his ideas. Like,

1215
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, if we see half of a chair that's

1216
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.440
<v Speaker 2>obscured behind a wall, he has a dire picture that

1217
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:08.719
<v Speaker 2>shows this. We know that the rest of the chair

1218
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.800
<v Speaker 2>must be there. It's because it's entangled. It's coherent with

1219
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the half we do see. We don't expect a big

1220
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.559
<v Speaker 2>smear of probability waves on the other half of that chair.

1221
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:20.320
<v Speaker 2>So it's a perfect illustration. I use it all the time.

1222
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:22.760
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm just seeing his name up there, I'm thinking,

1223
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.679
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, he's there. So when I met him,

1224
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I said I wanted he saw. I just lit up

1225
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:31.119
<v Speaker 2>like like hey, which is great for him because there

1226
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:35.119
<v Speaker 2>he is surrounded by four partner gulfs. All right, no offense.

1227
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.199
<v Speaker 2>He looked like he'd been drinking a little bit too,

1228
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:40.880
<v Speaker 2>which is understandable. Again, no offense to the particle physicists.

1229
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.079
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I love the theoretical But he said when

1230
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I told him, because we had tea later and I'm

1231
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 2>talking about what I'm interested in, and I told him,

1232
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, it don't take this the wrong way. But

1233
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:54.639
<v Speaker 2>you didn't used to exist. And I know for sure

1234
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:56.760
<v Speaker 2>that I would have known about you because I did

1235
01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:59.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of research in like Google scholar looking for articles.

1236
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Your name never showed up. Now you're ubiquitous. You co

1237
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:06.599
<v Speaker 2>authored papers with Alan Gooth who won the million dollar

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01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:10.519
<v Speaker 2>prize and everything, and yes, scenarios. It's just like yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like what I mean, because he really

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01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.599
<v Speaker 2>gets it. He's like, yeah, of course I didn't exist, Yeah,

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01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.039
<v Speaker 2>but now I am. And that's how I feel when

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01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.039
<v Speaker 2>people tell me that too. But I was prepared to,

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01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I wanted to be there for emotional support.

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01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.159
<v Speaker 2>He didn't need any emotional support, so yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.639
<v Speaker 2>like and I was like, what what, He's really sharp.

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01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.320
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of our theoretical physicists know about this increasingly,

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01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and so it's really I'm excited about a lot of

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01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:41.079
<v Speaker 2>the work that's being done. And you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>book that I just got by Federico Fagen, the inventor

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01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:48.800
<v Speaker 2>of the microprocessor, and it's what's in I think it's

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01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.639
<v Speaker 2>called Inseparable or something, and it's basically just laying out

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01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:58.039
<v Speaker 2>the foundation of where we are now, Like in physics, mathematics,

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01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and then he's going because he's an experiencer of conscious

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01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.360
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon like we are. I haven't read the part yet

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01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:07.880
<v Speaker 2>where he gets there, but he's he's just a delight

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01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.519
<v Speaker 2>to see when I see his interviews recently on the

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01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Essentia Foundation, for example, talking with Hans just brilliant because

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01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.079
<v Speaker 2>he likes the same philosophy I like, which is like

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01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Gottfriedvillehilm lepe Needs, who's one of the inventors are calculus,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's a process philosopher and an optimist. So totally

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<v Speaker 2>I see him as the father of consciousness where I

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01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:35.679
<v Speaker 2>see consciousness going like the metacognition I've been talking about today,

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01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and so does Federico Fijien. So I'm thinking, Wow, he's

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01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.039
<v Speaker 2>on the right track so very much. I'm reading his

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01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.360
<v Speaker 2>book slowly because I treasure it. Sometimes I go really

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01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:47.880
<v Speaker 2>slowly when I love a book, sometimes really fast. But

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<v Speaker 2>I read different ways different times. But that's an excellent

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<v Speaker 2>book for anybody interested in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've mentioned quite a few books and movies. This

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<v Speaker 1>is it's wonderful. Where is your are you doing any

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01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>research or where is your work headed right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Not doing research? Per se. But I'm interested in this

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01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.039
<v Speaker 2>topic of the metacognition, the levels of conscious agency, like

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01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.440
<v Speaker 2>who's pushing reality when there's like a tug of war

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01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.280
<v Speaker 2>between two realities? What's going on there? That's my fascination,

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01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:20.559
<v Speaker 2>and I recognize that we do need the new mathematics

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01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:24.239
<v Speaker 2>for that. I need to finish reading Federico Fagin's book. Obviously,

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01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm staying on track with most of the most every

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01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.840
<v Speaker 2>single interview that comes out of the Essentia Foundation. They're brilliant,

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01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'm conducting in person events sometimes in Crestone. I'll

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01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.679
<v Speaker 2>be doing one in May of this year, and then

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01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.360
<v Speaker 2>we're planning probably to do another one in August of

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01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.159
<v Speaker 2>this year, so people get a couple chances to talk

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01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.719
<v Speaker 2>in person. I think there's something special about being in

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01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.440
<v Speaker 2>person together and like you like to do exploring around

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01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the place if you have time, like you're in a

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01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:56.639
<v Speaker 2>special place, check it out. And I was telling you

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01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:58.840
<v Speaker 2>about Crestone, and you told me some things I didn't

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01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:02.840
<v Speaker 2>know about, some amazing local things that people could do.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to you want to give the full

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01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:06.800
<v Speaker 1>details of that now that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, that's going to be I think the dates are

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01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.960
<v Speaker 2>May twenty second to the twenty fourth, and it's in Crestone, Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to find out more my website today,

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01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:20.439
<v Speaker 2>that's the one that you've got the link to Reality

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01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Shifters dot com and if you go to the events page,

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01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 2>it'll show you the details and the link, which is

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01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:30.239
<v Speaker 2>through a different website, star Works USA dot com, and

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01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:35.359
<v Speaker 2>that's Paula Harris's website. She's also the facilitator and collaborator

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01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that's putting it together. And then doctor Aaron Judkins. He's

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01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a very he's like an Indiana Jones in real life

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01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:46.840
<v Speaker 2>archaeologist checking out amazing sites such as ge Beckley Tepi.

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01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:50.399
<v Speaker 2>And also he did a documentary on Noah's Arc which

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01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:53.439
<v Speaker 2>I thought was really great. So he's doing that kind

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01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.960
<v Speaker 2>of work and he'll have things to talk about. We'll

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01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:03.600
<v Speaker 2>be talking about UFOs and conciousness, you know, and ancient archaeology.

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01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.119
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like bringing the past together with

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01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the future. Where are we going, where are we headed?

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01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.399
<v Speaker 2>And what have we not been told about what's really

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01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:13.840
<v Speaker 2>going on? So it'll be fun and it's fun to

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01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:16.479
<v Speaker 2>do this in person. It's fun to be out under

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01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 2>the stars and actually see the stars because it's crestone's

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01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:23.600
<v Speaker 2>tiny and there's no almost no light pollution, and even

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01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.319
<v Speaker 2>if it's cloudy, no problem. We do that thing you're

1315
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:28.640
<v Speaker 2>teaching your kids. We just clear the sky above us.

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01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:32.279
<v Speaker 2>So it's a big circle, clear space. That pretty much

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01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:36.159
<v Speaker 2>always happens. And then last time we saw really big

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01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.159
<v Speaker 2>spaceship or craft that was over the mountains where there

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01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.479
<v Speaker 2>was thunder and lightning. It looked like the scene from

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01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.560
<v Speaker 2>that movie, Those Encounters of the Third Kind. So it's

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01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:50.119
<v Speaker 2>pretty amazing and fun and so much love and it's

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01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:51.279
<v Speaker 2>just a wonderful experience.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always a lot of activity in that area. Yes, yeah,

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01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I've camped out on the sand dunes a couple of

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01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:04.000
<v Speaker 1>times and it's wow, amazing. That should be so fun, yes,

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01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes it fun when you're with other people. You think,

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01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:10.520
<v Speaker 2>compare notes and really recognize the difference of experience that

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01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:12.560
<v Speaker 2>people are having when they're sitting right next to you,

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01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.560
<v Speaker 2>because you know that is what happens. But some of

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01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.960
<v Speaker 2>it will be shared as well. So to the degree

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01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:20.720
<v Speaker 2>we've become coherent, you know, like one flock or one

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01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:24.319
<v Speaker 2>heard of shared consciousness, then we can have a shared

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01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:26.920
<v Speaker 2>experience and when you know you're doing that, that makes

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01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:27.439
<v Speaker 2>it really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I read an article recently that you

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01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:35.560
<v Speaker 1>were talking about the Hopie prophecy as well, which is

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01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:41.520
<v Speaker 1>like the bifurcating timelines experience. And you know, I had

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01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:45.560
<v Speaker 1>basically arrived at the conclusion. So there's a Hopy prophecy

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01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:48.159
<v Speaker 1>of the Blue Star Kachina and the Red Star Katina,

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01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:52.119
<v Speaker 1>and I was doing remote viewing and telepathic contact with

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01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:57.119
<v Speaker 1>three I atlas as it was approaching, and I'm pretty

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01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:01.600
<v Speaker 1>sure that's the Blue Star Katina. Is that object which

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01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:07.760
<v Speaker 1>indicates that we're in the bridge time between the fourth

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01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and fifth worlds?

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01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we totally are in the bridge time, that's for sure. Yeah,

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01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:15.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling it. And yeah, if you're referencing, I wrote

1348
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.600
<v Speaker 2>an article about this, and then my most recent YouTube

1349
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:23.199
<v Speaker 2>video and substack article I go into detail about grandfather Martin.

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01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:25.760
<v Speaker 2>He's a hopey elder who's passed away now, but he

1351
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:28.359
<v Speaker 2>had a video and in that video I saw three

1352
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Mandela effects, one with the Hope prophecy rock well two

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01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:35.359
<v Speaker 2>of them concerning that. They all kind of concerned that.

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01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Actually it's pretty amazing. It's just like, how is this changing?

1355
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:42.239
<v Speaker 2>You expect the hopey prophecy rock to not be changing,

1356
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:45.760
<v Speaker 2>but the Bible changes hopey prophecy rock. He points out

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01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:47.399
<v Speaker 2>in the video it used to have a third line

1358
01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:50.479
<v Speaker 2>that's gone, and he says, this is some kind of magic. Yeah,

1359
01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:53.399
<v Speaker 2>he says that in his video. And then so that's

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01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:56.520
<v Speaker 2>him admitting that this. And to me, that's really a

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01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.920
<v Speaker 2>cool indicator. Because I read these Mandela effects. That is

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01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.479
<v Speaker 2>an indication that, like, like you said, we're in the

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01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:05.239
<v Speaker 2>bridge time. In the bridge time, then I would expect

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01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the third line to be, like, don't even fixate on that.

1365
01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Look just at where you guys are going. Which line

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01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:13.119
<v Speaker 2>are you on? Are you on the line the lower

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01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:14.880
<v Speaker 2>line that goes to the fifth world or on that

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01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:19.319
<v Speaker 2>upper line? Then? Ok? Then Andela effect number two, he says,

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01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:22.319
<v Speaker 2>these beings have two hearts, these world leaders the first

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01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:25.880
<v Speaker 2>three on the upper line. That feels He didn't say

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01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:27.920
<v Speaker 2>what it means to him, But if I saw that

1372
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and pointed it out, I'd be saying, do you notice

1373
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a duplicitous nature for the world leaders on the

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01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:36.640
<v Speaker 2>top line. They're leading people in a duplicitous way, you know,

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01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:39.720
<v Speaker 2>I'd say, like, watch out for someone's like two faces,

1376
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:40.399
<v Speaker 2>two hearts.

1377
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:44.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's the top line is like third dimension linear.

1378
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:48.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that fizzles out, that's a dead end, doesn't really

1379
01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:51.199
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere. But the bottom line is the line that

1380
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:54.960
<v Speaker 2>continues on. And even an old person with a little

1381
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:57.680
<v Speaker 2>walking stick makes it just fine. So it's not you

1382
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.159
<v Speaker 2>don't have to be survival of the fittest mindset that

1383
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:03.640
<v Speaker 2>it's more like just having your heart open to each

1384
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:08.000
<v Speaker 2>other and your crown chakra open. So those are pretty

1385
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.399
<v Speaker 2>big changes. And then the mind blower, the third one,

1386
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a second hope prophecy Rock, and he shows it

1387
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and he talks about for those of us who make

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01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.399
<v Speaker 2>it to the fifth world. Now that's showing up. So

1389
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:21.119
<v Speaker 2>the third line, the third line's gone, and a second

1390
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:24.840
<v Speaker 2>hope prophecy Rock has appeared, showing us the new technology

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01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to heal ourselves and the earth and the water when

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01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:31.520
<v Speaker 2>we enter the fifth world. So that is huge. And

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01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.399
<v Speaker 2>then I'm getting reports that I share in my substack

1394
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and on the video about people showing up at a

1395
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:39.760
<v Speaker 2>crowded hospital where they have to they just drop their

1396
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:42.760
<v Speaker 2>husband off and they have to go park. It's going

1397
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:44.439
<v Speaker 2>to take a while because there's so many people there,

1398
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.399
<v Speaker 2>all the cars are there. Then they come into the

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01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.319
<v Speaker 2>er and there's nobody in there, and the husband's already

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01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:52.319
<v Speaker 2>been admitted to a room, and all the other rooms

1401
01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:56.119
<v Speaker 2>are empty. But every single staff member they talk to says, boy,

1402
01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:58.079
<v Speaker 2>how long did you have to wait? It is so

1403
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.279
<v Speaker 2>crowded tonight? My houseban was already in there. I just

1404
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I just parked and came in like no time at all.

1405
01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:09.159
<v Speaker 2>But everybody kept saying that. And the person wrote to

1406
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 2>me and said, does this mean that this is what

1407
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it's going to feel like when we're in that bridge,

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01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.039
<v Speaker 2>like you're calling it the bridge time? Yes, indeed the

1409
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:19.039
<v Speaker 2>bridge time. Both worlds are here, Yes, that is what

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01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:19.600
<v Speaker 2>it feels like.

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01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:24.199
<v Speaker 1>That story makes me wonder about the experiences of the nurses,

1412
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:28.600
<v Speaker 1>like clearly because cause I read your substacks, so they're

1413
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:32.600
<v Speaker 1>not seeing the crowds of people, but they are talking

1414
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Speaker 1>to the nurses who are seeing the crowds of people.

1415
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:39.880
<v Speaker 1>So it's like the nurses are in both yes experiences

1416
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.159
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. But you're the person who wrote

1417
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:47.319
<v Speaker 1>in was was in one discreet experience?

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01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.359
<v Speaker 1>So what do you what do you think is the

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01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:52.079
<v Speaker 1>experience of the actual nurses.

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01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:56.199
<v Speaker 2>It depends is a case by case. I would expect

1422
01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:58.439
<v Speaker 2>some of them might be aware that it's like, yeah,

1423
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.920
<v Speaker 2>it was busy, but it wasn't when they came into

1424
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.319
<v Speaker 2>the er. They might be For me, that's what a

1425
01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Mandela effect feels like. When it's one that I've experienced.

1426
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:10.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like, sometimes I do remember something both ways and

1427
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.520
<v Speaker 2>it's the weirdest feeling. And so if a person's that's

1428
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:18.039
<v Speaker 2>someone like me that's open to meta cognition, which it's like,

1429
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:21.079
<v Speaker 2>if you're familiar with Gott Freed Vilhelm, life needs this

1430
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:23.920
<v Speaker 2>work about the monads and about you just observe at

1431
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.680
<v Speaker 2>a higher level of conscious agency. I'm now using the

1432
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.680
<v Speaker 2>term that we would use conscious agency. And this is

1433
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.239
<v Speaker 2>where all of this new science has to go. We

1434
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:35.039
<v Speaker 2>have to be aware of who are we and at

1435
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:37.239
<v Speaker 2>what level are we observing this right now? So when

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01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:39.680
<v Speaker 2>we ask a question we want to live the answer to,

1437
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:42.720
<v Speaker 2>like if those nurses are asking my favorite question, how

1438
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:44.640
<v Speaker 2>good can it get, They're going to be in a

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01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.880
<v Speaker 2>meta cognitive state automatically. So those are the ones that

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01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:50.960
<v Speaker 2>are more likely to notice, Yeah, I think I saw

1441
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:53.840
<v Speaker 2>it crowded and uncrowded tonight they're going to be open

1442
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:57.680
<v Speaker 2>to that because they can be walking that way and

1443
01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.680
<v Speaker 2>at some point they may just stay with I'm going

1444
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.319
<v Speaker 2>to stay with the uncrowded, you know, you know, where

1445
01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:06.359
<v Speaker 2>everything's just groovy and it's not so repressive and stressed out.

1446
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Is the monad? That word you just mentioned, is that

1447
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:11.079
<v Speaker 1>like the higher self? For what is the mona?

1448
01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:14.119
<v Speaker 2>End? That we can spend hours talking about that, So

1449
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to unfortunately bring it up. I would

1450
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.600
<v Speaker 2>love to see the work of life Needs explored a

1451
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:23.720
<v Speaker 2>lot more fully and brought current into this modern age

1452
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.880
<v Speaker 2>of physics. Life Needs would love what we're seeing right now,

1453
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:30.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, with the subjectivity being recognized in science. So

1454
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.880
<v Speaker 2>his idea of monad would be like, what's behind what's

1455
01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:37.359
<v Speaker 2>creating all this? So a monad is like the operational

1456
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:42.479
<v Speaker 2>aspect of consciousness itself, as it's having an, you know,

1457
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:47.800
<v Speaker 2>an effect on what we call reality. So it's it's

1458
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:50.159
<v Speaker 2>not exactly the most up to date term. And that's

1459
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:52.840
<v Speaker 2>why I'm reading the book by Federico Fijien. I'm really

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01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:55.399
<v Speaker 2>interested to see where we go with this and what

1461
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.520
<v Speaker 2>comes next, because that's what I'm most interested in, these

1462
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.880
<v Speaker 2>levels of conscious agency that's us as we're leveling up,

1463
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:06.199
<v Speaker 2>as we're expanding our dimensional awareness and recognizing we need

1464
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:07.800
<v Speaker 2>new math, we need new science.

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01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Right because now that I'm I'm thinking about it, I

1466
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.880
<v Speaker 1>had a friend to refer to a group of people

1467
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:21.720
<v Speaker 1>that she seemed to be traveling with spiritually, like spiritual

1468
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:23.479
<v Speaker 1>brothers and sisters. They were kind of like on the

1469
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:26.079
<v Speaker 1>same wavelength as her. She was like, this is our

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01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:29.359
<v Speaker 1>monad group. I was like, Oh, that's kind of interesting.

1471
01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Like people that she like will like meet in different

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01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:34.399
<v Speaker 1>places around the world. They seem to sync up and

1473
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:36.399
<v Speaker 1>they're like working on similar projects at the same time.

1474
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Like when we were in Sidona, one of these people

1475
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:41.439
<v Speaker 1>happened to be in Sidona at the exact same time.

1476
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:44.760
<v Speaker 1>But they didn't like inform each other of that, but

1477
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.159
<v Speaker 1>they just like, we're going to the even the same

1478
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:52.760
<v Speaker 1>vortex sites on the same day without you know, planning it.

1479
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that's a fine I

1480
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:01.279
<v Speaker 2>mean often word to have many meanings, and so it

1481
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.000
<v Speaker 2>seems appropriate and fitting. I like it, and it seems

1482
01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:06.600
<v Speaker 2>to fit a little bit of what life needs was

1483
01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:08.720
<v Speaker 2>getting into as well. You know, the idea that the

1484
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.279
<v Speaker 2>consciousness is creating and I think you get a sense

1485
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:13.119
<v Speaker 2>of that when you feel like I've got a monad group.

1486
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:15.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like, what does that mean? If you press them

1487
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.920
<v Speaker 2>to explain it further, they might actually say, there's like

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01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:21.359
<v Speaker 2>a consciousness that we are that we bring together and

1489
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:23.800
<v Speaker 2>that we can feel more fully like ourselves and more

1490
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.840
<v Speaker 2>expansive individually and as a group. We you know, we're

1491
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.800
<v Speaker 2>good for each other, We're good for the group. This

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01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:32.960
<v Speaker 2>could be where a human consciousness is evolving to as well.

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01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, yeah, like different sub collectives within the larger collective. Yes,

1494
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:44.560
<v Speaker 1>focusing on different things, very cool stuff. Anything that I

1495
01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:48.239
<v Speaker 1>haven't talked to you about or asked you about that

1496
01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:49.279
<v Speaker 1>you would like to touch on.

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01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Such a big subject. We didn't talk about the books

1498
01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:55.640
<v Speaker 2>that I've written, but I talked about other people's books.

1499
01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.239
<v Speaker 2>But I did publish a book on the aura, talking

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01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.840
<v Speaker 2>about dowsing, and that's aur. I've got a book that

1501
01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:04.199
<v Speaker 2>covers that pulling a dollar bill after a dollar bill

1502
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:07.159
<v Speaker 2>out of a wallet. That one is the Reality Shifter's

1503
01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Guide to High Energy Money. And then I've also published

1504
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:15.279
<v Speaker 2>that book, Reality Shifts When consciousness changes the physical world.

1505
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:18.840
<v Speaker 2>That one's good for people who are very naturally intuitive,

1506
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and they don't need all the explanation of what's going

1507
01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:24.800
<v Speaker 2>on necessarily, They just want to make it practical for

1508
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.319
<v Speaker 2>their lives. And then I've got a book that's more

1509
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:29.239
<v Speaker 2>mainstream that you can just put on your coffee table

1510
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:31.600
<v Speaker 2>and show to anyone, and it's for left brain thinkers

1511
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:35.840
<v Speaker 2>called Quantum Jumps, and that's a really great book about

1512
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:38.840
<v Speaker 2>the same topic. So I've been covering the same material

1513
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:41.239
<v Speaker 2>lots of different ways. And then my newest book is

1514
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the one we've been talking about the Mandela Effect in

1515
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:48.560
<v Speaker 2>its Society Awakening from Me to Wi, and it goes

1516
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:52.720
<v Speaker 2>into Carl Jung and Philip K. Dick and what they experienced.

1517
01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Several of the modern day researchers, including Mary Rose Barrington

1518
01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:00.119
<v Speaker 2>that I never met and didn't know about, but he

1519
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:04.319
<v Speaker 2>had a whole, like a language to describe this whole

1520
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:08.439
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon of things appearing and disappearing. And I heard about

1521
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.319
<v Speaker 2>it through Jeffrey Mitchelove when he interviewed me. I thought, Wow,

1522
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.600
<v Speaker 2>where'd she come from? But so she's got a book

1523
01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:17.479
<v Speaker 2>about just one of those things, John. But I cover

1524
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:19.800
<v Speaker 2>all this in my book. I do the best I

1525
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:23.239
<v Speaker 2>can with Mandela Effect in its society to be completely

1526
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.800
<v Speaker 2>current with everything I currently know. So it did take

1527
01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:28.920
<v Speaker 2>many years to write that book, but I also intend

1528
01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.439
<v Speaker 2>it to be excellent for experienced people as well as

1529
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:35.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of a textbook to cover the history of the

1530
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:38.319
<v Speaker 2>science some of my personal experiences with it. And then

1531
01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:42.079
<v Speaker 2>where is it going? Which to me is human expansion,

1532
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:44.560
<v Speaker 2>human development. What you're doing with the classes that you're

1533
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:48.039
<v Speaker 2>teaching for kids is exactly it, and it's recognizing that

1534
01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:51.800
<v Speaker 2>we have so much untapped potential and as we learn

1535
01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:55.239
<v Speaker 2>more about what's possible, it starts opening up and we

1536
01:20:55.319 --> 01:20:58.840
<v Speaker 2>can guide the future by asking the questions we most

1537
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:01.319
<v Speaker 2>wish to live the answers, which is what I love

1538
01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:04.760
<v Speaker 2>about that how good can it get? Rather than like, oh,

1539
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:07.600
<v Speaker 2>this went wrong, that went wrong, these bad things coming throes,

1540
01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:10.560
<v Speaker 2>what next? So the opposite of that would be how

1541
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:15.399
<v Speaker 2>good can it get? And it's really challenging reality, like Okay,

1542
01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:18.199
<v Speaker 2>things look kind of grim, but how good can it get?

1543
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Or things look really good? How good can it get?

1544
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Just needing to know it? And that's the work of

1545
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I want to credit John Archibald Wheeler because he's the

1546
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.279
<v Speaker 2>one that talked about that participatory universe, and he was

1547
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a colleague of Albert Einstein, and he's the reason that

1548
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm focusing on the question aspect because when you ask

1549
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:41.239
<v Speaker 2>nature a question, nature answers. So let's ask good questions

1550
01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>even with just our thoughts, even if you think, well,

1551
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm just thinking it to myself. Yeah, Remember everybody hears you.

1552
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's psychic, whole universe is listening. So ask good questions,

1553
01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:54.600
<v Speaker 2>and that way it's going to be a great future for.

1554
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:58.720
<v Speaker 1>All of us. Yeah. I had some time ago when

1555
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I was first first becoming a coach. I had this

1556
01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:04.920
<v Speaker 1>vision of how questions work. It's like it opens up

1557
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:08.359
<v Speaker 1>this sort of box and that you know, like as

1558
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:10.520
<v Speaker 1>soon as you ask the question, it like opens a

1559
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:14.079
<v Speaker 1>receptacle for the result or the answer to fall into.

1560
01:22:14.680 --> 01:22:18.159
<v Speaker 1>And it's like but you're like directing, Yeah, what falls

1561
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:19.319
<v Speaker 1>in by how you frame.

1562
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.239
<v Speaker 2>The question, and you'll notice how good can it get?

1563
01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:24.760
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of open ended. I'll sometimes ask how good

1564
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:27.760
<v Speaker 2>can I get? So there's the reality and then there's

1565
01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.399
<v Speaker 2>me and I like to so if you want to

1566
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:32.720
<v Speaker 2>do a refinement, how good can I get? So it's

1567
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.199
<v Speaker 2>an awareness you're giving that gift to your subconscious that

1568
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:38.680
<v Speaker 2>your subconscious knows what good is. It means healthy, happy,

1569
01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:43.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, prosperous, connected, you know, just vibing in a

1570
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:46.079
<v Speaker 2>good way, very going higher and higher. So it goes

1571
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>into gratitude and reverence and ecstasy and happiness and just

1572
01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:52.439
<v Speaker 2>feeling like, Wow, what a magical place and time to

1573
01:22:52.479 --> 01:22:55.319
<v Speaker 2>be alive, and how grateful I am to be here.

1574
01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>So so that is what the subconscious responds to. It's

1575
01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty wide open, and I do that on purpose. So

1576
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:05.840
<v Speaker 2>otherwise I see a lot of people that paint themselves

1577
01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:08.800
<v Speaker 2>into corners without meaning to, Like they're asking for just

1578
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.479
<v Speaker 2>so much, but they could have had so much more.

1579
01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:14.119
<v Speaker 2>They could have had good health too, and good relationships

1580
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:16.880
<v Speaker 2>while they're at it, not just when a career.

1581
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's like you might be able to think

1582
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.760
<v Speaker 1>of thirty ways that it could get better, but there's

1583
01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>really infinite ways it could get better. Yeah, of course

1584
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:30.039
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be limited to some degree. Yeah, there

1585
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>was one more thing that I just saw. I had

1586
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.279
<v Speaker 1>a note to ask you about which I find interesting.

1587
01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Species becoming unextinct, Yes, speaking of good news, Oh yes.

1588
01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, this is a huge one, especially if it

1589
01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:46.119
<v Speaker 2>would be up your alley with the biology background. So

1590
01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:49.159
<v Speaker 2>one of the big ones that's illustrated in the book

1591
01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:51.960
<v Speaker 2>that the Mandel effect in its society. It's the celoconth.

1592
01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:53.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I can just flip the book

1593
01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and show it, but it's kind of a prehistoric looking fish, right,

1594
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the thing is huge. No, I can't have a dog

1595
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:04.399
<v Speaker 2>ear to pop open. Well, I do have some illustrations

1596
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:08.239
<v Speaker 2>in the book, enough whipping right to it anyway, Well,

1597
01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:10.840
<v Speaker 2>you can look it up. It's spelled differently than it sounds.

1598
01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>It's seal a contas the pronunciation it's spelled see. Oh

1599
01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:16.439
<v Speaker 2>here it is there? Okay that one?

1600
01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay is that? And that's like a deep water ocean fish.

1601
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it was considered completely extinct. It was one

1602
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:26.640
<v Speaker 2>of those sad things where we had these huge fish

1603
01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>at one time, but now it's gone. So well, now

1604
01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:33.159
<v Speaker 2>it's back and it's you know, the large meal. Let's see,

1605
01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:35.399
<v Speaker 2>weighs about two hundred pounds. That's like the size of

1606
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:38.239
<v Speaker 2>a person. Yeah, and it measures like six and a

1607
01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>half feet long, really about the length and weight of

1608
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:45.479
<v Speaker 2>a person. They live sixty years and they thrive about

1609
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>two thousand, three hundred feet below the surface of the ocean,

1610
01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:52.439
<v Speaker 2>and so they look very primitive, and they were thought

1611
01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:55.640
<v Speaker 2>to go. They thought they're gone. They were extinct sixty

1612
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:58.159
<v Speaker 2>five million years ago, kind of like along with the

1613
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:01.000
<v Speaker 2>dinosaurs kind of a thing because these are dinosaur fish.

1614
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>But then when they were found in South Africa and

1615
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:08.319
<v Speaker 2>then later in Indonesia, it's like they just keep finding

1616
01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:10.399
<v Speaker 2>more of them, like they're not only not extinct, they

1617
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:14.880
<v Speaker 2>seem to be thriving, Like what how is that possible?

1618
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:17.479
<v Speaker 2>And it's not just the silicont So I have a

1619
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.600
<v Speaker 2>whole section in the book with animals and plants that

1620
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.279
<v Speaker 2>keep popping up like we're here, and some of them

1621
01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:26.399
<v Speaker 2>have been gone tens of thousands of years, others have

1622
01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:30.520
<v Speaker 2>been done millions of years. And this was also predicted

1623
01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>by the Hopie you know when if you read about

1624
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>their ancient their oral traditions, they said, you know, it's

1625
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:38.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the Blue Star Kachina. It's like the

1626
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>bridge time things, kind of like you know, you're entering

1627
01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:44.119
<v Speaker 2>the fifth world when plants and animals that have been

1628
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:47.439
<v Speaker 2>long gone long are coming back and they are so

1629
01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.239
<v Speaker 2>it's it's another one. And then some of the indigenous

1630
01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:52.479
<v Speaker 2>people say, when the white buffalo is born, you're in

1631
01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:57.520
<v Speaker 2>that bridge time. Well that happened Buffalo, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1632
01:25:57.880 --> 01:25:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

1633
01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:01.520
<v Speaker 2>So these sacred things are happening and the signs are

1634
01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:03.880
<v Speaker 2>here which will and it gives me goosebumps of happiness.

1635
01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, oh yeah, remember, how good can it

1636
01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:09.960
<v Speaker 2>get when we enter the fifth world? It's it's going

1637
01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to be great, you know, instead of saying like, oh

1638
01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:15.399
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, it's going to be back to the Stone age. Cancel, cancel.

1639
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Now I've already seen the Second Hope Prophecy rock. There's

1640
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:21.880
<v Speaker 2>new technology on it, you know, that's new to me.

1641
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>That's why the technology is stone technology, though maybe maybe

1642
01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>it's high tech stones.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wine with me. Good tech that heals us and

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01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:33.079
<v Speaker 2>heals the earth. That sounds good.

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01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen those artifacts they are uncovering in Mexico,

1646
01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the like alien carved artifacts, and it's like if you

1647
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>rotate the stone, then the whole stone glows.

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01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, they have that just like a I haven't seen

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01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:46.479
<v Speaker 2>that happen.

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01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:49.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like a sleeve, a stone sleeve that you put

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01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>on and then there's like a watch dial on it

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01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and it like lights up and it glows with no

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01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:54.640
<v Speaker 1>energy source.

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01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Well that's pretty I was thinking of the Boogas sphere,

1655
01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:00.720
<v Speaker 2>which was found in Columbia and the and then Paula

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01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Harris she went down. She happened to be synchronistically in

1657
01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Mexico City at the time, you know, and so she

1658
01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>definitely got to hold out and look at that. And

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01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>that's another That thing was totally not the kind of

1660
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:18.159
<v Speaker 2>technology that we know. It had ancient scriptures writing on it,

1661
01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:21.479
<v Speaker 2>very old, kind of like ancient Sumerian or something. But

1662
01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:24.319
<v Speaker 2>it's flying around in the air like a little ufo,

1663
01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:28.039
<v Speaker 2>like a drone, but with no means to propel it.

1664
01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:31.399
<v Speaker 2>And then it kept getting its mass was changing as

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01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>it arrived in Mexico.

1666
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>City, like every time they tried to crack into it,

1667
01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:35.039
<v Speaker 1>it got heavier.

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01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, what the heck? Yeah, So it's definitely something.

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01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:43.560
<v Speaker 2>And this is the age that we're finding these fears.

1670
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that some have been seen before, but it

1671
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:48.359
<v Speaker 2>was definitely covered up. Now there's less of the cover

1672
01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>up and there's more keeping this for the people instead

1673
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of having it get glommed onto by some world superpower

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01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and then we never see it again. So that's what's

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01:27:57.720 --> 01:27:58.680
<v Speaker 2>really cool right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Cynthia, I want to thank you so much for

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01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:04.239
<v Speaker 1>coming on the show, and thank you for your work,

1678
01:28:04.399 --> 01:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>all of your research and diligent you know, creating all

1679
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>these these books, different ways to explain it to people

1680
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and bringing bringing them into into your world. So yeah,

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01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you for having me.

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01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:20.439
<v Speaker 2>I love talking with you today.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we'll talk soon, yeah,