WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.839 Shopping news from a world of pro basketball today, the 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:07.960 Denver Nuggets have fired Michael Malone after ten years on 3 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:11.919 the sidelines and bringing Denver their first championship in nearly 4 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:16.120 half a century. Our next guest might have some insight 5 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:18.839 on this. Tony Jones, Happy Tuesday, sir? 6 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:19.359 How are you? 7 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:26.000 Uh wow? Right? Like Happy Tuesday? Thanks for having me on. 8 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.440 That was a great walk up song. Just just a. 9 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:31.839 Lot going on, a lot going on, Tony. 10 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:33.640 And I'm old enough to remember when you were good 11 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.640 at your job in the NBA, you got to keep 12 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.399 it and when you were a twenty five generational. 13 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.200 Player, you wouldn't be traded. 14 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.640 Luka, Doncic is a Laker, Taylor Jenkins is looking for employment. 15 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:46.880 And Michael Malone after a decade of high level coaching 16 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:48.719 and a guy who I like and respect a lot. 17 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:51.280 I mean, his dad, Brendan Malone, was an assistant for 18 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:53.799 Jeff Van Gundy in New York and so we got 19 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:55.759 to know the family, and of course Michael was back 20 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:57.799 with the Knicks for a little bit as well. Help 21 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:01.280 us understand this, Tony, like, why how did this go down? 22 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:04.319 And what's your take on the way they went about 23 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:06.040 their business? 24 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.200 So I'm going to probably go against the grain a 25 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.799 little bit, but I'm not surprised that this happened at all. 26 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.200 I am surprised about the timing. I think the timing 27 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.079 is is definitely the most shocking part of it. But 28 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.519 I talked to a source yesterday for about an hour, 29 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:31.840 and when I got off the phone with that source, 30 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:37.519 I called Sam Amic, you know, my good friend, and 31 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:41.519 and Kylie got the Athletic and the first thing I 32 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.480 said when you picked up the phone was, yeah, the 33 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:49.840 Nuggets they want to fire Michael Malone. And I'm surprised 34 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:54.239 that they did it twenty four hours later, you know, 35 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:58.719 but I'm not surprised that at at the firing at all. 36 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:00.799 Things where things have been kind of come into a 37 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:04.079 head for a while. This has kind of been brewing, 38 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:09.840 and you know, and I think I'm surprised at the timing, 39 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:14.400 and I'm surprised that everybody went. But this was the 40 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:18.919 very definition of a power struggle. And Josh Kronki, the 41 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.199 Nuggets' owners, just apparently said, both of you guys can 42 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.080 lead the building at this point. And that's what happened. 43 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.960 And for our listeners, when Tony says both of you guys. 44 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.520 Calvin Booth is the general manager, and he was also 45 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.919 informed that his contract will not be renewed. So they 46 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.039 are getting rid of their head coach, Michael Malone and 47 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.080 their general manager, Calvin Booth. Now I can understand getting 48 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.919 rid of Calvin Booth. Like I have said, and I 49 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.919 believe this to be true, that Denver has. 50 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.120 Failed Nikola Jokic. 51 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:51.680 They the Kronkys, are not an ownership group that wants 52 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.680 to spend the way that Joe Lacup does or some 53 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:56.879 of the other owners like a Steve Balmer. They do 54 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.719 not want to be a luxury, tax paying team. They have, 55 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:03.400 in my opinion, the best player in this generation and 56 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.840 a player that when he's done, will be among the 57 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.439 best players ever to play. But I didn't view this 58 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.120 as a coaching issue. I know they've lost four straight, 59 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:13.879 but to me, Jamal Murray's hamstring is a bigger issue 60 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.960 than Michael Malone's coaching. Jamal hasn't played in five games, 61 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.840 and if you take okayc off the table, Denver's right 62 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.240 there with everybody else and maybe a team that could 63 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:25.840 challenge Oklahoma City because we've seen them do it before. 64 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:30.960 So your point about the power struggle between Calvin Booth 65 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.039 and Michael Malone. Well taken, but they're both gone. Why 66 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:36.120 not just get rid of Calvin Booth and keep Michael 67 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:36.879 Malone around? 68 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:36.960 Like? 69 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.280 Can you Is this a locker room issue? Is it 70 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.360 a player issue? Like what exactly led them to doing 71 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:43.080 this to their head? 72 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.400 Coach? I understand the GM. I don't get the coaching thing. 73 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:50.680 Well, because Michael Malone lost the locker room. And oh 74 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:55.120 all right, And when I say he lost the locker room, 75 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.680 that includes Nikolay Jokis. He lost Nikolay jokins and and 76 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:02.960 and he lost the locker room as a whole. And 77 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:07.840 uh so you know that's one of the reasons why 78 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:14.439 you know, coach Malone also got fired as well. I 79 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.319 have you know, some things brewing that you know, uh 80 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:22.839 that will be written pretty soon in the athletic uh 81 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:27.839 in terms of specifics about you know, how Malone lost 82 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.839 the locker room. But I can tell you from a 83 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.439 broad sense to my sources, that Malone lost the locker room. 84 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.519 And you know, there were several things in terms of 85 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.240 in terms of Calvin, there are several things that went 86 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.519 into his firing as well, you know, one of which 87 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:50.639 was you know, the contract h to Jamal Murray because 88 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:56.759 of the their ability factor. And it wasn't that the 89 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:01.160 contract to Murray, it was that the contract was was 90 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.879 really expensive and it was really player friendly, a little 91 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:12.759 bit too player friendly for the cronkys taste in that, 92 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:16.279 you know, along with you know, a couple of the missteps, 93 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:19.800 like given the technology a four year contract when we're 94 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:23.040 not even sure he's an NBA player, you know, spending 95 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:26.360 three second round picks to get off of to get 96 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:32.000 off of Reggie Jackson, you know, player options to ruffle 97 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:36.079 westbrook In, Dario Sarach, you know, things like that that 98 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.120 you know, have hamstring the Nuggets. I mean, if you 99 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.279 look at what the Nuggets have going forward, you know, 100 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:49.720 it's it's pretty bleak in terms of and in terms 101 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:55.759 in terms of assets. Right, Like they have one tradable 102 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:59.319 first round pick, which is twenty thirty one. They're twenty 103 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.000 twenty seven and twenty twenty nine first round picks, and 104 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.160 this is going to be a big shock to everybody here. 105 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.240 They belong to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Because the Oklahoma 106 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:14.560 City Thunder, everything belongs to the Oklahoma So you know, 107 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.639 there's no assets, there's no money. You know, it's gonna 108 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.879 take whoever comes in and and gets the GM job. 109 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:27.240 I mean, there's there's not really a cupboard to work with. 110 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.480 And part of this, I think is on the Crockys. 111 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:35.040 It is, and you know, they made it really certain, 112 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:37.480 they made it really certain we do not want to 113 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.959 go into the second option. I mean, we do not 114 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.000 want to go into the second aprint. So Calvin Booth 115 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.839 was in a large part working with what he had, 116 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.199 which is what led to where we see the roster 117 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:53.759 right now. Because like let's take for example, the Boston Celtics. 118 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.759 The Boston Celtics. But like we can go into the 119 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.399 to we can go into the the tax, we can 120 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:03.759 go into the resign, you know, Jason Tatum re sign, 121 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.040 Jalen Brown extend, you know, offer an extension to Drew 122 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:13.519 Holliday and the people around them, and we'll we'll pay 123 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.240 the tacks. We're fine. We just want to put we 124 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:18.439 want to put the best product in the floor as possible. 125 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:23.399 And I think that Calvin Booth has been hamstrung in that. 126 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.920 But at the same time, Calvin Booth made mistakes like 127 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.439 the Zeke Nology contract. That's a legitimate mistake, it's untradeable, 128 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.160 you know, and it's four years and you know, the 129 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:39.079 the the Reddy Jackson trade, you know, because he because 130 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.399 he had a player option. You know, that's three second 131 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.879 round picks. Those are three. Those are three picks where 132 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.639 you can either use it for a trade or you can, 133 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.000 you know, try to go and get you can try 134 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:54.079 to go and get rotation players. You can. So I 135 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.399 think Calvin Booth hit on the margins in twenty twenty 136 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:03.040 two and twenty twenty three in order to win Denver 137 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.079 on the championship, to win Denver a championship because he 138 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.480 went and got Bruce Brown, he went and got Jeff Green. 139 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.079 Those are hits on the margin. But he also lost 140 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:15.839 Contavious Carwell Pope the free agency. He also gave leek 141 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.920 Nage that contract, so he also missed on the margins. 142 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.160 Ever since they lost the championship. So it's been a 143 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:22.879 really mixed back. 144 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:25.920 There three games left for Denver. 145 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.480 Last thing here, you know, because as I referenced what 146 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.080 I tried to do with all my NBA guests and 147 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:37.960 have all year. Once it became obvious that Oklahoma City 148 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.600 was playing at a historic level, the conversation has to 149 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:44.279 become okay, Like, who keeps Mark dagnalled up at night? 150 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.919 Who are the teams that he worries about? I still 151 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.000 put Denver in that category because they have that dude. 152 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:51.799 They have a guy that we've seen do it before, 153 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.960 and no one ever does it by themselves. Michael didn't, 154 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:59.279 Kobe didn't, Lebron didn't. But Jokic is as close to 155 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:03.159 anybody that we've seen carrying a team to championships in 156 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.759 playoff runs. So what do you think best case scenario 157 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.120 is for Denver as the playoffs are only three games away? 158 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:10.360 Now? 159 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:13.639 Well, I mean, I still think they invest case scenario 160 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:15.840 is a championship. Like you said, they have Nacola Jokic. 161 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.600 When you have that guy, you're gonna have the best 162 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:21.000 player in every series and you're gonna have a punch 163 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.440 of chance. But you know, one of the things that 164 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.919 Josh Conky said publicly today was that he wants to 165 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:32.759 see the joy back and there are reasons for this, 166 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.879 but this team is not playing with joy and this 167 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.600 team is not playing with energy, And you know, I 168 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:45.440 think and that's part of the reason why Malone no 169 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.840 longer has a job. And you know, I know I 170 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.360 can't I can't really go in the specifics, but you know, 171 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:57.000 there are some some things that have been at play internally. 172 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:01.279 You know that of course this you know, so you know, 173 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.279 the hope is that you know, we start they start 174 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.120 with you know, one thing, right, come out tomorrow night, 175 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.559 play with energy. They lose the sacramental lamorrow night, there's 176 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:15.879 a real chance that they're going to fall into the 177 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.320 playing the playing. You know, this is a team that 178 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.799 was second and third in the Western Conference for much 179 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.799 of the second half of the season, and you know, 180 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.039 now we're talking about, you know, a one game scenario 181 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:35.200 to Sacramento, and if that doesn't work out for them, 182 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:38.279 you know, they're you know, there's a real real chance 183 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:42.320 that they're playing on Tuesday next week. So you know, 184 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:46.840 I think I think the first thing, you know, in 185 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:49.679 a macro sense, in a micro sense, is to come 186 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:54.840 out on Wednesday and play with energy and play with 187 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.840 force against Sacramento and then just kind of take it 188 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:04.240 from there. You know. But the Nuggets that at their peak, 189 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:06.399 I mean, this is still you know, if they get 190 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.080 Jamal Murray back healthy, of course, this is still one 191 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.440 of the best starting fives in the league, one of 192 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.320 the most efficient starting fives in the league. You have 193 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.600 Yokis playing at an insane level. The guy's gonna average 194 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.759 a thirty point triple double this season. This is truly 195 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.720 one of the best, you know seasons anybody has had 196 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:32.519 an NBA history offensively, you know. So there's still you know, 197 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:36.120 a puncher's chance to win any series that they're in. 198 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.480 I was in Oklahoma City, you know, three weeks or 199 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.279 a month ago or whatever it was. I mean, it 200 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:46.360 all kind of goes together, you know where they caused 201 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:49.879 the Thunder real issues and they beat the Thunder on 202 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.600 their home floor because the Thunder could not figure out 203 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:57.879 a way to deal with NICOLEA. Jokis. So you know 204 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:03.039 he's going He's an ultimate miss match. He's the ultimate 205 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:06.399 superstar in this league that we have in our league today. 206 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.080 You know. So if you have that guy on the floor, 207 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:10.799 you have a chance to win any series that you 208 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:12.000 can play that you're playing. 209 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.039 All right, Moving off the nugget stuff, let's bounce around 210 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.320 with some local stories. It was announced earlier today that 211 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.159 Jegor Demon is going to leave BYU and he's going 212 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:27.320 to start his pro basketball career. Uh So, when you 213 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.000 look at a lot of the mocks. He's still a 214 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.360 lottery pick. Some have him as a top ten, some 215 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:34.840 of them have like mid lottery. He's very young, he's 216 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.240 very raw, So anybody that will take a flyer on 217 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.600 him is hoping that he learns how to shoot it consistently. 218 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.759 Some of the decision making stuff improves, and he responds 219 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.080 to force and physicality better than he did at BYU. 220 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:49.759 There's a lot to like from a scouting perspective, just 221 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.600 simply how big and long he is and how creative 222 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.559 he can be with some of the distribution. But now 223 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.720 that we know it's official, Dollon Hall's in the transfer 224 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.919 port transfer portal by you need to point card, what 225 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:02.720 are you making the news today that Yegor Demin is 226 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:03.360 leaving Provo. 227 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:08.879 I think he had to because he's going to be 228 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:13.639 a first round pick. And you know, you you know, 229 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.679 people talk about, well this Cooper flag going to go 230 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.120 back to the Duke. Of course he's not going to 231 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.039 go back to Duke. And people say, oh, well, you 232 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.080 know in the agent nil, you can recruit that money. No, 233 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.559 you can't. You don't go into the draft, you know 234 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:32.720 for you know season one or season two. Uh, you 235 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.519 don't go in the draft at eighteen for season one 236 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:36.480 and a season two. You want to go into the draft 237 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:39.960 at eighteen. So by the time you're twenty three, you're 238 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.639 on a second contract and you're making one hundred million dollars. 239 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.759 And then by the time you're twenty eight, you're on 240 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.440 a third contract and you make another one hundred million dollars. 241 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:49.480 And then by the time you're thirty three, you do 242 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.879 the same thing, and then guess what you're You know, 243 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.600 you've made a half a billion dollars over the course 244 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:01.279 of your career. You know, so that you start your clock, 245 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:05.200 the better for your career, the better off you'll be. 246 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.200 And if you're going to be a first round pick, 247 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.360 and like you said, Jego is going to be a 248 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.360 first round pick because there just aren't many chumbo size 249 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:19.519 six foot nine playmakers that are available. And you know, 250 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:22.960 as you look at Josh Getty, right, and you look 251 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.039 at how raw he was coming out, look at him 252 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.080 now and look at how he developed, and look at 253 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.519 how well he's playing for the Chicago Bulls, and that's 254 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:38.360 where you see what Yegor Demon can be. Like his 255 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:43.879 his art type, his arc type is literally playing for 256 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:47.320 the Chicago bulls right now. So you know, Yegor comes 257 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:51.039 into the league, he hits the weight room, he falls 258 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:52.759 in love with the weight room, he falls in love 259 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.480 with the process. Then you know, by the time he's 260 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.360 twenty two to twenty three, twenty four years old, you 261 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:00.399 really have something than there. 262 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.600 So with Dallan Hall entering the transfer portal, Kevin Young 263 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.639 needs a point guard. Or maybe they run it back 264 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:12.159 with the Dawson Baker kid because right now, uh, you know, 265 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:13.720 a j A j. 266 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:15.360 Debon said technically is a wing. 267 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.799 Maybe they can run their offense through him because he 268 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.840 is that skilled. Then the Xavion Stanton kid or they're 269 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:22.559 getting from Vegas, I believe, is a center. 270 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.080 What do they do with that league guard spot? Any thoughts? 271 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:33.600 You can try to talk Dollan back into the fold, 272 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:41.200 which you know, no no intel from me there, but 273 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.120 I would think that it might be a little bit 274 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:44.919 easier to talk him back into the fold now that 275 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:49.320 you know he would no doubt be a starter. And 276 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.519 you know, let's put it this way, Jegor is a 277 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:57.039 lot more talented than Dollan, Like he's a better player, 278 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:02.879 but Dallan is a better fit with a Javanca in 279 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.480 my opinion than Jegor is because Jaegor, for him to 280 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.960 be effective, he needs the ball in his hands. I 281 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.879 don't think Dollan needs the ball in his hands as 282 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:18.519 much to be effective. And what you what I'm getting 283 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.080 at here, is that what you want if your b 284 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.159 YU is you want the ball in aj Devance's hands 285 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.039 or you want the ball in richie' saunders hands as 286 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:32.039 much as humanly possible next year, Like that is, you know, 287 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:37.559 immediately Richie Thunders and aj Devancer are immediately one of 288 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:41.240 the best duos in college basketball. And you know, aj 289 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:46.399 Devanca is a playmaking wing. He's a playmaking whatever if 290 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.720 he's a shooting guard or a small forward, he's a 291 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:53.519 playmaking wing. And I think Dallan can can can play 292 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:57.840 off of both of those guys. Uh add side to 293 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:00.559 the position. I mean he obviously have side for the 294 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.440 position at defense for the position. Uh and you know, 295 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.839 just kind of be a connector because I think Dollan's 296 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.000 more of a connecting type point guard, Like you don't 297 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.880 really want him, you know, being your dominant ball handler, 298 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:18.680 but as a connector, as a guy who's who's you know, 299 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.079 making secondary players off the dribble. Like you really want 300 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:24.680 him uh in that role as well, and I think 301 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:25.920 that he can thrive in that role. 302 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:27.359 All right. 303 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.519 So on the Utah basketball side of things, you know, 304 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.440 it still is a little bit quiet as far as 305 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.000 you know, Alex continuing to fill out his staff. We 306 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:39.519 don't really know what the rest of the staff is 307 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:42.079 going to look like. Alex hopped on with Sean yesterday 308 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.279 and had some interesting things to say about, you know, 309 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.359 the type of staff he's looking for. It's not going 310 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.960 to be as big as some of the other, you know, 311 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.880 the other staffs in college basketball. So we're still a 312 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.200 waiting word on you know, an Andre Miller type. 313 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:55.680 Uh. 314 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.680 The transfer portal continues to bring news. Mike shrav Jamps 315 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.960 now officially in the transfer portal, Kano Dawes is back 316 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.039 to play for aj coming up next year. Jake Wallen 317 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.359 is in the transfer portal. In addition to some other pieces, 318 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.519 mir A little found a landing spot. 319 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:14.440 So we're still waiting to. 320 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.599 Kind of learn exactly what Utah basketball is going to 321 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.960 look like next year. You know, you were good enough 322 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.920 to kind of talk talk to us about Raphael Chilius, 323 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:25.640 the guy that you know and you played with back 324 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.519 in the day and apparently this fairly Dickinson transfer. Terrence 325 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:33.039 Brown has a direct relationship with coach Chilius and he 326 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.160 was one of the top ten scorers in college basketball 327 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:39.000 last year twenty one points, six boards, three point two assists. 328 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:41.759 Shout out to the Great Northeast Conference that you're familiar 329 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.799 with where Fairleigh Dickinson, you know, obviously is located. Any 330 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.119 insight on this transfer that AJ was able to grab. 331 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.920 According to on three, he's a four star transfer with 332 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.319 a composite ranking of ninety three point two out of 333 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.920 one hundred. So we have two pieces of the puzzle, 334 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.759 now Kano Dawes and now Terrence Brown in sight. As 335 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:02.839 far as what type of player Terrence is. 336 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.920 Well, because I'm a basketball sicko, I have watched Terrence 337 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:13.200 Brown play. You know. My question for you know, my 338 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:17.000 question is how is he going to adjust the big 339 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:20.599 twelve physicality. But he's explosive off the dribble. He can 340 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.480 shoot the ball. He can score the ball. He can 341 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.960 score the ball and in multiple ways. Uh. He can 342 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.920 score it at three levels. He's obviously proficient from three. Uh. 343 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.839 He can get into the lane, uh and get off 344 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.440 the floater. He can get all the way to the 345 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:40.279 basket off the dribble. You know, it's it's going to 346 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:46.440 be interesting, uh from size from a side standpoint, you 347 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:51.000 know how he adjusts to you know, the physicality and 348 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:55.480 the athleticism of the big twelve, you know, but he's 349 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:59.000 a good a good addition. And what you want is 350 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:02.559 somebody dynamic off the dribble. And what you want is 351 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:10.039 somebody who can create most importantly basketball advantages. And you know, 352 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.119 at least in the Northeast Conference, there was no better 353 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.880 player in that conference than Terres Brown. I can creating 354 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.759 our basketball advantage off the dribble. 355 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:22.839 So we kind of await word as far as what 356 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:24.759 the staff and the rest of the roster will look like. 357 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.039 But let's end with a little Utah jazz, Tony. We 358 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:29.799 haven't talked to a lot of jazz with you lately 359 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:31.880 because if we're honest, there's just not a lot to 360 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.920 talk about. Everyone knows what time it is. They have 361 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.279 three wins since the All Star break. They're one and 362 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.240 nineteen in their last twenty. We know what they're doing, 363 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.519 we know what they're trying to do. But what I'll 364 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.799 ask you today that Ivan Ashtian a while is with 365 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.240 these grit with the grip of young players, and with 366 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:51.519 the young players, I will remove Walker from the equation 367 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.480 because I think we all can agree that Walker has 368 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:58.039 played himself in the future plans of this organization. But 369 00:20:58.200 --> 00:20:59.759 I want, I just want to kick the tires with 370 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.200 you on this group of young players. And we'll remove 371 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:06.839 Taylor Hendricks because of course that he's hurt. But Isaiah Callier, 372 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:11.200 Kyle Philipowski, of course, you know, will include Keyante in 373 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:13.720 the mix, Cody Williams in the mix, right censub on 374 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:17.680 the mix of these first and second year players, who 375 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.519 do you feel has played their way to at least 376 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:23.960 consideration to be around here long term, to be a 377 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.240 piece of the puzzle when the Jazz are actually interested, 378 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.480 interesting and serious about winning again. 379 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.880 I would probably say Kyle Philipowski is the most likely 380 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:40.039 because he's the most unique. Uh he's you know, six 381 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:45.160 eleven seven foot Uh he you know, he obviously shoot 382 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:50.920 the ball from three. It's funny because, uh, well, you know, 383 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.000 some of the conversations with the Jazz two years ago, 384 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:57.200 they were like, we're gonna bring Kyle. This was after 385 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:01.559 Kyle Filoski's freshman or a dude we're gonna bring Cousselowski 386 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.400 and we're going to bring him in for a workout. 387 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:10.119 We're definitely considering him with our you know, our initial 388 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.319 first round pick and that year was number nine, and 389 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:16.480 that's the pick that that became you know, Taylor Hendrix. 390 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.319 And I was like, you guys are crazy, Like dude stinks, 391 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:26.160 Like you know, I didn't like him at Duke, and 392 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.319 now that I've seen him, you know a little bit 393 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:31.839 more up close. I mean, they were absolutely right. Like 394 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.839 he's he's kind of a mismatch offensively, U. He's you know, 395 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.119 so much tougher than I thought he was when he 396 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:42.519 was at Duke. He's a lot more athletic than I 397 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.279 thought he was when he was at Duke. You can 398 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.720 see the development from you know, when he was drafted 399 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.400 to now and you know, I think this guy has 400 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:56.440 a chance to one day be an offensive I don't 401 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.960