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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carmen and this is

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another episode of a Spooky Tells, the podcast for all

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things spooky, haunted, places, myths, legends, and true crime in

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Latin America. And today is just a true crime case.

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As you know, it is now March, and at the

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time of recording, it will soon be March eighth, International

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Women's Day, when thousands and thousands of women across Latin

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America wear purple and march for justice, women's rights, quality,

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the end of femicide. Yes, and so in March we

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seek out cases of femicide to highlight and bring attention

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to and that's what we're doing today. So on the

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first of November, JATOs Ricardo and a friend were cycling

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from Sidad de Mexico heading south to de Postelan, which

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is eighty two point eight kilometers away in Morelos. As

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they road, they turned off the regular road the highway

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for a break just before reaching de Postelan, and there

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there was an abrupt change in the mood in the

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trip because under a bridge in the highway, in the undergrowth,

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they found the body of a woman. Oh my god,

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she was wearing a beige dress. It was hiked up

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above her waist. She was missing one of her shoes,

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and her long hair was in braids. She had no

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idea on her. They then alerted the authorities, but Ricardo

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was worried that this would just be dismissed and nothing

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would come of it. They wouldn't even try to figure

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out who she was. So he took pictures with his phone,

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pictures of her and then of her tattoos. She had

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a little dinosaur tattoo, send flower tattoo, a tattoo of

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a name. He also took pictures of the necklace she

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was wearing that had a heart and a peace sign

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on it. A couple of days went by and he

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decided to post the pictures, but he cropped them out

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of respect. So yeah, not to straight up show her,

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but just something that would someone would recognize her hopefully.

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When he posted the pictures online, he wrote share please.

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I don't want her to end up in a common grave.

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And this is how the family and friends of twenty

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seven year old Ariadna Fernanda Lopez Dias found out why

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she had not been answering their calls or messages for

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over twenty four hours. What a terrible way to find out. Truly,

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it was her best friend and roommate who recognized who

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saw the pictures as she was squirreling and recognized the

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tattoo that read Aramita, which was Ariadna's mom name. But

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before getting into what happened once she was found, and

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of course, the hours leading up to her death, let's

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talk about her. Ariadna was born on July fifth, nineteen

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ninety five, in Mexico City. She was the youngest of

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five siblings. From childhood, she was described as an adventures

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huge extrovert with contagious energy. She was funny, joyful, She

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loved music. She left to sing and dance. She had

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a big heart and big dreams. At twenty, she became

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a single mother and absolutely loved her son. That little

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dinosaur tattoo that she got was of his favorite dinosaur.

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Oh mother. He didn't come easy to her, but her

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mom was there for her to help and to guide her.

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But suddenly, in twenty eighteen, Ariadna's mom passed away from

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breast cancer. Oh no, her support, yes, her everything, aside

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from her son obviously, you know, her help, her support.

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This is where everything fell apart from her because her mom,

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like we just said. Wasn't just like emotionally there for her,

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but also financially. She lived with her and apparently it

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was the only reason her half siblings like tatter her

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in their lives, because after her mom passed away, they

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kicked out Ariadna and her son out of the house.

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Oh my god, how can you do that? It doesn't

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make sense to me. I don't know some people are

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like that. No, yeah, they just changed the locks one

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day with no warning or anything. She tried to get

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in and found that she couldn't, damn, And so then

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she moved in with her best friend. But she kept dreaming.

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She worked two jobs to save up and make her

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dream happened, which was to move to Kangun with her son.

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They could wake up every morning start the ocean, and

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just she wanted to give her son a better life.

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Her first job was in the mornings, she was a beautician,

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and her second job was a waitress in an American

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style sports bar slash restaurant. At this job, she earned

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a commission for sharing drinks with clients. All the waitresses

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and commissions. That sounds like that shouldn't be a thing. No, right.

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It was at this job that she met Vanessa Flores,

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another waitress, and a client named Rautel. As to the

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Yoga Siam, twenty year old Vanessa Flores was her cowork grandfriend.

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But a few months before Ariadna went missing, Vanessa had

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quit her waitressing job because Rautel had offered to pay

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her the same money she was making, but in cash

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to work for him or to be with him. To

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be with him, Oh yeah wow. Roted was a well

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known client. He was hard to ignore. He lived a

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flashy lifestyle and came from a very well to do

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family from Morelos. When asked what he did for a living,

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he told everyone he was a customs agent, but he

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had a driver for his art trucks, at least two

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security guards, and had a fancy apartment in Mexico City.

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He had several affairs with different watresses of this restaurant,

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Sixties Bar and Rock, where Vanessa and Adrianna both worked.

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On a normal night, he would spend eighty thousand bezzels,

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which is around four thousand, five hundred and sixteen dollars,

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and people talked about one time that he spent one

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hundred and fifty thousand pestles, which is around eight thousand,

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four hundred sixty seven USD. That's wild. Yeah. His place

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was just a few blocks away from Sixties, and even

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though he was there several times a week, none of

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the waitresses wanted to serve him. He had reputation. Most

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of the girls who left this table left in terrible conditions,

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though I could not find exactly in what way, but

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one of the employees told this to advayise anonymously, just

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that the girls left that table in terrible conditions, probably

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held a drunk from him buying them drinks or something.

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I don't know. I guess we're just speculating here, right.

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I forgot to mention though, So he would tell people

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he was a customs agent, but his family owned like

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six very well to do businesses in different like sectors.

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It probably didn't even work. And he had two or

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three businesses also under his name. Oh so they were

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super rich. But yeah, because like having security guards and

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armored trucks doesn't really line up to mean a customs agent.

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at sixties, the employees were encouraged to drink with clients

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and earned commissions for it, there was always someone to

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serve him. He often encouraged whoever was serving him to

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continue the party at his place, which is how Arianna

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came to know both Routel and Vanessa, whom she considered friends.

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The day before she stopped answering her friends and family

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on tour thirtieth, she was hanging out with rout Deel

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and Vanessa and four others. This, of course, wasn't discovered

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right away. It appears that the day after the cyclists

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found her body, fifteen friends and family went down to

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La Fiscalia in Morelos to talk with the authorities and

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to officially identify her. They knew that just before she

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stopped replying, Ariana said she had been hanging out with

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it rout Del, Vanessa and others. So a couple of

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days after the cyclists posted the pictures, the family went

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down to Guernavacas, Morellos. They waited at the morgue for

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hours until the attendant brought them blurry images of Idanna.

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Then her father confirmed their identity. From there, the group

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of fifteen went down to the prosecutor's office, but at

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the prosecutor's office they were treated like suspects themselves. This

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is so common, too common to common everywhere. Yeah, almost

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every story we've talked about, case we talked about where

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a family member has been murdered, at some point, the

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family is looked at as aspects, even here in the US.

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I was gonna say, and that's not just Mexico, not

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just Latin America, here in the US, because it makes

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me think of the women who went missing in Utah, right, Yeah,

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and the uncles were suspected. Yeah. So yeah, it's just

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like it's endless. I mean, I can see why, because

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a lot of times it is relatives and closed ones

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that true true harm their loved ones. But yeah, it's

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still it seems like excessive. Yeah, the investigators were hostile.

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They took Sarah Ariatna's roommate and best friend. They took

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her cell phone as well as their other roommate's cell phone,

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and they were the ones who had text messages from

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her stating she was with Routel and his girlfriend before

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she went missing. The investigators kept their phones for fifteen days,

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and speaking of Routhel and his girlfriend, Vanessa, they showed

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up at the prosecutor's office and they noticed the e

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in which doubted, moved around at the office said, I

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even posted a TikTok about this. Really, she's like, as

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you know, my friend, she was found deceased and we

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were called to or we went down to Morelos to

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talk with the prosecution or the attorney General's office there,

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and we were treated terribly. But when Rautel and Vanessa

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came in, they were like buddy buddies, Like he just

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walked around like he knew everyone, yeah and yeah. So

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he was treated kindly and so were his friends, very

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differently from how Arianna's friends the family were treated. Some

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hours after that, the family was finally allowed to retrieve

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Idianna's body. This is when they noticed several bruises that

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made it seem like she had been subjected to some

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very recent attack. They decided to go to Mexico City's

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prosecutor because the Morrelo's prosecutor had already told them her

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blood alcohol levels were the reason she died. That she

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he choked to death in her own vomit because she

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had been so drunk. Her blood alcohol level had been

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point four NY eight, which is six times legal limit

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for US drivers and can be deadly. But the family

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felt that this didn't explain the bruises they were seeing,

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and they were right because it doesn't right, like, even

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if she did have that level of intoxication, where did

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she get those bruises from? Yeah? Yeah, So they decided

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to take this to the Mexico City prosecution office. This

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was not an easy decision. They knew they were going

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to be going after a well connected, very rich man

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by pursuing this, and that was based on him literally

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being the last person having seen her alive. Yeah. Yeah.

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They left the Morela's Prosecution office and went back to

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Mexico City where they held the wake. At the weak,

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Arianna's niece spoke as if she were Arianna herself, saying,

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I love to enjoy life until they took me away.

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Some people who passed below a bridge on the Quadla

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Highway found me lifeless, tossed away and forgotten like I

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was nothing man. That's rough. Yeah, and like the strength

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it takes to be up there and saying that about

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your Tia, I can't imagine. And because of the publicity

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her death received the press and several reporters showed up.

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Routel and Vanessa also showed up, and Routel had the

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audacity to talk to the press. He was asked about

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being the last one to see her, to which he

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responded saying that it was a fun time. They went

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to a restaurant, drank and went back to his place,

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and that everyone had been drinking. So he assumed at

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some point she left this apartment via taxi or uber,

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and that he didn't know anything else about her. He

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lost communication with her after she left. He also told

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the press, it's like she choose me for this, counting

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on me for everything. What the fuck is that? But yeah, no,

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what is that? For real? I really don't know why

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he said this? Like what he said this? Like why

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it feels like narciss stick Like yeah, yeah, like when

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murderers involve themselves in the investigations, that's what it feels like, right. Yeah,

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it's a weird, odd thing to say. And also to

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just show up, especially after the experience that they had

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at the Morrellos Attorney General's office where they saw him

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Watton and they were the family, friends and family were mistreated.

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So yeah, and the family knows that he was the

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last one to see her, and they know the family knows. Yeah. Wow.

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After the wake, Vanessa posted a picture of her with

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Arianna with the caption my precious addie. It's difficult to

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say goodbye, and more so knowing that you're passing was

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from a violent and cowardly act. I write to you

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with the heart turned to pieces, knowing that surely you

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fought until the end and there was no one to

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help you. This was on November three. The next day,

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on November fourth, the Morello State Prosecutor Uriel Carmona, who

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was apparently very close to Routel, held a press conference

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where he stated the autopsy determined Arianna had died from

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gave alcohol intoxication and that there were no signs of violence.

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But on November six, Mexico City's prosecutor released their own

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findings in which they stated Arianna had died of multiple

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trauma from an assault. They also announced that Vanessa had

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been arrested that same morning and that they're currently closing

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in on Daltel. Both are being charged with the femicide

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of Ariatna. Damn, yes and fucked that for from morrelos

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riea you bitch? No? And doesn't this make Routel at

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the wake just more insidious? Yeah? Also Vanessa's message, Yeah,

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it's like she knows. She knows she died in violent

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deathic she had a hand in it, right, and no

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one was there to help. And she why would she

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add that because she knows the truth. She knew the truth.

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That's just insane. It was like self snitching on herself.

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Well that doesn't make getting sense what I said, but

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you know, but like yeah, like she was like saying

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the truth. And unessentially it has a name like when

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there there's like a Freudian slip t Yeah, there you go,

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there you go. He turned himself into detectives in Novolone.

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It appeared he had been trying to flee Mexico. When

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Artell turned himself in on the morning of November seventh,

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he told the reporters he was innocent and that he

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didn't kill Arianna. In the afternoon of the seventh, Claudia Scheinbaum,

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the then mayor of Mexico City, gave a press conference

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where she laid out the case against out the land Vanessa.

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There are still images from security cameras at multiple sites.

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This layout of events went as follows. Arianna arrived at Fisher's,

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a seafood restaurant, a little after six pm on October thirtieth.

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She was seen arriving in their security cameras. She was

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wearing a long beige dress and wearing high top white sneakers.

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She is seen giving both Vanessa and Routhtel a hug.

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About an hour later, she left with the two of

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them and three others who were also there, and they

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were all seeing getting into a Routhel's black suv. All

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six are seen arriving at his building at seven fifteen pm,

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where they then take an elevator up to his apartment.

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Half an hour after that, the other three are seen

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leaving the building, while Ariana, Rothel and Vanessa are all

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stayed inside his place. The next morning, a bald man

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with the beard is seen no security footage carrying Ariana's

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body at this point, already stiff with rigor Mortis, through

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a hallway in this building and down to the garage.

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He's carrying her on his right shoulder and is seeing

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putting her in the back of a black suv. This

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man was identified as Routel Astudillo. He is seen driving away.

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In her press conference, Gladia Scheinbaum states this is when

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he then drove to Murellos and the Postlan and this

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wasn't just some baseless sentence. They proved he was there

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through his cell phone records. Yeah, he pinped the cell

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tower right by where she was found. Like, there's no

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denying this, And they had security footage they had like

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the evidence. They gathered it very fast, although evidence was there. Yeah. Yeah.

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Shinbaum also said that Raoute probably chose this specific location

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because he thought he could get away with it due

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to his friendship with Uriel Carmona, the Morrelo state prosecutor

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and who people had already seen him being b anybodies with,

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you know. And then she accused Uriel Carmona of trying

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to cover up the murder of Ariatna, and so she

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said they tried to blame the victim. Never again should

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a feminine be covered up and a woman smeared and

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victimized because they blamed her for her own death. And

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that's not all the evidence. There's still more evidence on

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top of what was already said, like all the video footage.

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They also had text messages between Vanessa and Rotel trying

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to get their stories lined up. They literally messaged each

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other like we need to make sure our stories match

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up because even before the family and friends went down

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to Morellos to identify her. Ariadna's roommates had been texting

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with Vanessa and like what she said, she was with you,

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And then Vanessa kept like changing the story, like whoa,

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she didn't want to stay. Oh, well, she didn't want

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to stay with you guys, because she says she had

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been in a fight with Sara. Oh but she and

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then she left and we don't know why. She just

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kept changing, yeah, making things up. Yeah. And so the

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roommate and friend were getting suspicious. Yeah. And in her

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own text, Vanessa's text tout dell, She's like, they're getting suspicious.

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We need to make sure we say the same thing. Wow.

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And it's like, oh, well, let's say we didn't see

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her leaving, Like it's a very obvious. Yeah. She even

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wrote to then telling him they needed quote a video

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or something end quote to prove that Ariadna had left

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the building alive, because quote words alone wouldn't do any

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good end quote. Wow. And a motive is still unclear,

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but both of them remain in custody pending trial on

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charges of femicide. And like, the charge of femicide is

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more serious than just the regular murder regular homicide, it's

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ten more years. And so like a normal murder is

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sixty years, right, like a full first degree murder is

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sixty years, and if convicted of a femicide, it's another

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ten years on top of that. Also, after the news

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conference held by Shinbaum about the case, it was announced

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that an investigation into Morellos's Attorney General's office had opened.

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Good Yes, and so on August fourth, twenty twenty three,

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Uriat Carmona was arrested good accused of obstructing the administration

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of justice in regards to the murder of Atriatna Lopez

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and also in twenty twenty three. But in January of

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that year, the Mexico City Attorney General's office confirmed that

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Ariadna Fernandal Lopez Lias was murdered by a blow to

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the head and did not die from bronco aspiration, which

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is what the Morellos Attorney General's office had declared, again

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trying to say she choked on her own vomit because

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she had been so drunk. Wow. In September twenty twenty three,

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a judge at the Reclusorio Norte prison determined that the

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evidence presented by the attorney General's office was sufficient to

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indict Rautel and that this justified his pre trial detention.

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So he was indicted, yes, officially, and he tried to

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twice since being arrested. Both appeals were dismissed because there

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was like no substance to the appeal, like nothing to

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back it up. Yeah. The last update I could find

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on this case is that a panel of judges denied

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Vanessa f Lotus's request for an injunction to cancel the

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proceedings against her for allegedly being a co perpetrator in

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the femicide of Ariadna Lopezzias, so meaning she will continue

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in jail until the trial, which from what I have found,

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there is no date for the trial yet. Damn. But

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they are both in jail, including Uriel the former prosecutor. Yeah,

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and hopefully the family and friends of Arianna get the

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justice they are seeking. Right after Ariadna was found dead,

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women took to the streets of Mexico City calling for justice,

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especially with the declaring of the or whatever the statement

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that Morelos had put out about Ariatna. People were calling

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to the streets. But luckily Mexico City was like the

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that Attorney General was like no and grale scheibaum was

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very like also on top of it, Yeah, there are

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proper investigation instead of just writing it off because it

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was Bessie's with the murder. Yeah, the hashtag who cisiapana

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Adi took off on social media. Hundreds of people protested

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in Mexico City and all over Mexico. At the protests

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in Mexico City, daniel A Diaz, a friend of Adi's,

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said Adi didn't die because of drinking alcohol. She was murdered.

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No woman should be killed and her reputation stained with

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people saying it was her fault. And the public outcry

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was huge. Worsened when two other cases happened literally around

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the same time, like within days of each other. The

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murder of a teacher are also found on the side

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of a road made people angry, damn and then the

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kidnapping of a twenty three year old woman who died

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trying to escape from the kidnapping vehicle, which was a taxi.

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She jumped out and she the injury she sustained from

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jumping out is how she died. All of these things

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happened like in the same week days within mm hm

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and so that yeah, made people even more angry, because, yeah,

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that's a lot, because of course one is femicide, violence

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against women going to stop until people take feminism seriously,

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that's when. Yeah, And if the family had not made

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the choice themselves to go to the Mexico City prosecutor

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Attorney General's office. I'm using these terms interchangeably in case

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anyone's wondering, like, right, and why do we keep saying

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what are the other They're the same thing for the

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purposes of this episode, because I mean, that's the same place, right,

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and so so, if they had not gone to them themselves,

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and if this had been another corrupt official who also

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agreed to dismiss the case, if Morelos had been talking

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the attorney general and Marlos had been talking to the

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one in Mexico City and was like, hey, let this

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one slide, like this would have been ignored, which happens,

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which happens. But no, they took it seriously. They did

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their jobs like what they're supposed to suppose to exactly.

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If it wasn't for that, it would be very, very

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possible that no one would be facing trial for the

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murder of femicide of Ariadna. Also, if the cyclists had

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not published the pictures, right, because her would her family

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have been able to identify her otherwise, Right. I feel

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like Morrelos would have just like swepped this under the

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rug because of Uriel and because he was besties with

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everythin exactly. And it's like she sent her her press conference.

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There's a reason he chose this location. And yeah, and

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so I feel like the cyclist is very vindicated in

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his choice to post the pictures, saying like, don't like,

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please share this so that she doesn't end up in

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a common grave because who knows otherwise. Yeah, And like

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I said at the top of the episode, this feels

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like a very timely case to cover because at the

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time of recording, International Women's Day is literally right around

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the corner, and on this day, thousands of women in

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Latin America take to the streets wearing purple, calling out

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gender violence, femicide, abuse, and so much more, sometimes damaging

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public property in the process, which who cares, Yes, I

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sees on formats mm hmmmm hm. But yeah, that was

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the case of Ariatna. Wow, it's just terrible, and it's

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terrible to know that it happened to two other women

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the same week. M h. And this isn't too like,

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I don't know, make Mexico look bad, like, well, that's

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gonna say too that sounds like should I just stop talking?

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But no, No. It reminded me the how the cyclist

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found her and took pictures and that helped get the

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case going and get her on you know, the family,

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on the path towards getting justice and for the murder

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to be held accountable murderers. It reminded me of here

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in the US. When did this I forgot when it happened,

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but you know, Chanelle Miller, the survivor of brock Turner,

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the rapist brock Turner, mm hmm. He got her drunk

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basically to the point where obviously you cannot consent if

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you're drunk, right, and then he assaulted her sexually. Mid assault.

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I don't remember if there were cyclists or runners, but

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there were foreign students, but someone saw yeah, yeah, they

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saw him and they stopped it. And if it wasn't

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for them, he would have kept going. And who knows

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if he would have left her there all night, yeah,

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passed out, just left her to die, like you know

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what I mean. And so yeah, it reminded me of

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the cyclist who came upon. Unfortunately Adana was already diseased

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when he found her. But it's because of people like

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the Cyclist and those people that found Chanelle and do

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the right thing, men who do the right thing, you know. Yeah, yeah,

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and so yeah, it happens here in the United States too. Yeah,

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it was my whole point of that. Yeah. Yeah, And

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feminism is taken as them seriously here in the United

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States as it is in Mexico and Latin America. Like,

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I know that feminism has come a long way. I

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still remember back when I graduated from YUCI marced This

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was probably like twenty fourteen, and I did my training

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at like a women's shelter to be a what was

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it called a trauma advocate, But basically it was like

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a volunteer position to be on call for women who

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were victims of domestic violence or ceterral assault on like

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if they showed up at the hospital for help for

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those reasons, then the hospital would call you and you

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would go and inform them of the services available to

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them and like support groups, counseling, like different things like that.

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And during that training, and it was a feminist movement

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that made shelters like this possible, but I still remember

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during my training, one of the women that was doing

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the training was like, who here is a feminist And nobody,

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I think except me raised raise their hands and she

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was asking why why not? Why didn't you raise your hands?

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This is feminist work. Yeah, fighting domestic violence, gender violence,

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that is feminism. That's feminist work. And people, we were

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all women there, I think there was one guy, but

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like they were the saying things like, oh, like feminism

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has like a bad has a stigma to it. All

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those are women who burn bras, Like who cares if

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they burn bras? First of all, they're hairy, ugly women.

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Oh they're just man haters. And it's like no, and

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they're still you know what. That's the other issue with like,

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I don't know the way sometimes white feminism takes the

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uh what am I trying to say? It takes a spotlight.

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It's what is like cover the most and so it's

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what people are seeing. And then obviously it has its flaws.

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It's not intersectional and so, but that's not the issue

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people have with it. The issue with if people kind

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of even accept surface level white feminism, then intersectional feminism

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is far away, like that's the goal always, but the

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fact that they can't even they can't even accept capitalists, yeah,

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or versions of feminism which are not real feminism. It's

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so interesting to me to see the difference between international

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women's marches in Latin America as opposed to the United States.

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We're here, they're wearing these pink vagina hats and it's like, Okay,

477
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you have a vagina hat. Call for something meaningful, and

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it's like, I don't know. And the stark difference in

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Latin America where I will never forget it was it

480
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twenty twenty or twenty twenty, and here I am forgetting that.

481
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I will never forget what was twenty twenty one when

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it got real like violent in Mexico City and people

483
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were like laughing about it on social media, like look

484
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at these women, but it's like, no, there's a reason

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they're out there. This what happened to Ariadna. The same week,

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two other women were found or were killed, and it's

487
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a it's a very real, real situation. That's just like

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people dismiss until it's something that happens to someone they know,

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and it's that's not enough. And even then they'll sometimes

490
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find ways to blame the women. Yeah, and I think of, like,

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I don't know, more people should be out there joining

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and supporting these women, like I'll never freak. We already

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we've covered these cases like Esmerela and how her father

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first was like he felt weird about going to these marches,

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but he went anyway, and he like, I'm gonna cry

496
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,480
talking about it. I already already have chills. They I know,

497
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I'm me too. They embraced me. The women embraced me,

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and I didn't want to like take the spilette from them,

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but they yelled out my daughter's name and said like

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because you know people always say like Una, she's not here,

501
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,079
where is she? And he he's embraced by these women,

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and they're not just out here marching for her, it's

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for everyone that has been going through this. And it

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just like there's too many. It's that's I mean, it's

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like literally this opens exist because yeah, you're not mass right,

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like these are these are things like I wish there

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was a similar movement here in the US. And that

508
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doesn't mean like like on that day, I will one

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hundred percent like go look for like a movement to join.

510
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I know there's like a run club or bike club

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is hosting like a bike thing for women that day,

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and it's like Latin a led So I'll probably do that,

513
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,839
but I don't know it just like it needs to stop. Yeah,

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and it's yeah, that brings me back to the to

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the point or to emphasize that things are not going

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to change. Gender violence and violence against women and children

517
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:44,799
is not going to change until feminism again is taken

518
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:51,960
seriously because the patriarchy normalizes, encourages violence against women and

519
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,839
children because women and children are viewed as objects that

520
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,079
you can treat however you want, right because they're not

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human beings. The patriarchy. A part of that is organized religion.

522
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I'm sorry to say, no, it is, and it affects everyone.

523
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:13,960
It's like it's not good for everyone, and that includes men. Yeah.

524
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So but yeah, we're gonna be highlighting cases like this

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all month. And yeah, so just one more thing. This

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also because we're talking about Mexico and we're talking about

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Latin America, so a lot of the femicides that we

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00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,680
cover end up being in Latin America. And like you

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00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,079
said already, that's not to say this doesn't happen in

530
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:38,119
the United States, right, something that's been going on since

531
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,359
what it's been over a decade already, Epstein, the Epstein Files, right, Yeah,

532
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:48,480
and a man like Epstein and a trafficking ring like Epstein's,

533
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,599
the Epstein was operating. It doesn't happen in a world

534
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,519
where women and girls and children are respected and treated

535
00:33:55,559 --> 00:34:00,759
as equals, exactly. And so like we see peopleeople talking

536
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,000
about Epstein Files, and some people what's the word I'm

537
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:09,880
looking for, their sensationalizing it. They're getting views because they're

538
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,280
talking about all these conspiracies like children being eaten, when

539
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,280
we need to be talking about feminism, and we need

540
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,880
to be talking about how in a world where feminism

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00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,960
is respected, where women and children are respected, then people

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00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,119
like Epstein don't happen. Men don't abuse women and children,

543
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:33,960
they don't traffic women and children. Yeah, and so yeah,

544
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,760
on the listen to this, but don't you know stop

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00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,400
there on International women say do something. I don't know,

546
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,199
read some feminist theory, but like real feminist theory. I

547
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:50,800
hate what that day has become and have already ranted

548
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,960
on and on, but yeah here on other episodes in March,

549
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:56,800
yeah I have, but yeah, here in United States has

550
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,880
become akin to a second Mother's Day, which, first of

551
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,599
there's already a day for others. It's a mother's Day,

552
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,119
not all women or mothers. Okay, let me start there.

553
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,840
No shade to the mothers out there, of course. But

554
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International Women's Day is not about buying the woman in

555
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your life flowers and something on celle at some freaking store,

556
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,719
you know what I mean. It's about standing up against femicides,

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00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,800
against abuse, against gender violence. So do something supporting those

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actions on International Women's Day. And this is I think

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where we will end the episode. Yeah, all right, we'll

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catch everyone next time. Bye Bye. As Book Tells is

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