1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,799 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A Here at proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,400 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella me, 3 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:16,239 Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy, 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,920 I saw a friend post this spring is too wet, 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:26,280 summer's too hot, Winter's a disaster. Autumn is perfect. And 6 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:30,440 today we talk about fall preparation for many people arguably 7 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:34,039 their favorite time of the year. And of course, you 8 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:37,320 know I come from the garden center industry, and so 9 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:41,759 for years, oh, i'd say about an eight week period 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:47,359 in spring. I work morning, noon, and night all week long. 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,280 So I always embrace the fall season to do my 12 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:55,200 gardening work, to prepare my garden. I guess that makes 13 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,560 me a fall guy. But I think September through November 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,200 is the perfect time to garden. And we're going to 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,319 explain that in today's show. As a matter of fact, 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,519 for people after the heat of summer who have struggled 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,840 with things like turf or their lawn, no better time 18 00:01:14,879 --> 00:01:19,400 of the year to rejuvenate, overseed or seed or develop 19 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,200 that lawn that you've always wanted in your landscape. And 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:30,359 fall is dramatic it's mystery, it's color stacy. I think 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,079 that's why they call it awe toune sorry bad one 22 00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:35,519 right off the. 23 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,159 Speaker 2: Bad Yeah, well you're already stuck in one your prior 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,640 to that, well, you know, the thing is, yeah, it's 25 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:43,519 it's high summer for us being in the garden, and 26 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,640 we look around. We see hydranges and rosa sharon and 27 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:49,359 high biscus. It's summerrific week, by the way, So the 28 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:54,359 summer perennial hibiscus are at peak minor looking amazing. But 29 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:58,200 really from a plant perspective, because the days are getting 30 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:01,519 shorter and the nights are already getting a little cooler. 31 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:04,879 Well maybe not right now, but soon. From a plants perspective, 32 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,159 autumn is much closer than it seems to us. Yes, 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,879 so that's one of the reasons why we wanted to 34 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:12,800 do this show. Plants are already starting to think, oh gee, 35 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,800 fall is coming. We're not unless you go to like, 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,479 you know, the store and they've got all the Halloween 37 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:20,639 candy out already. But you know, it's good to kind 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,240 of get your ducks in a row, think think ahead 39 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,479 to what you want to get done this fall, because 40 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:26,919 we get a lot of questions from people, should I 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,360 do this in spring? Should I do this now? Should 42 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,960 I do it in fall? So we're going to answer 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,199 them all exactly. 44 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: And you know, enjoying fall is about being present in 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,879 the moment. You know, in fall there's the the ubiquitous 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,840 presence of football, and you've got fall hiking and colored 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,120 tours and back to school and corn maize and cider 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,719 and pumpkins. 49 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,599 Speaker 2: Apple picking. Yeah, I forget. 50 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:56,479 Speaker 1: They have a fall festivals, right, harvests, decorating all that stuff. Mums, yeah, home, mums, 51 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:04,240 mumbelievable supermoons. I love taking pictures of the supermoons. There's 52 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,159 a full moon in September, in October, and I think 53 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:11,199 that's what I mean by the just the aura of 54 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,560 the fall season. It's a great time not only for 55 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,800 your plants, but also for you to be out there 56 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:21,000 working in the yard. Because we understand also from our 57 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:23,680 listeners and viewers there's a lot of people out there 58 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:27,039 that are a little weary and maybe frustrated after the 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,159 hot summer season. 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I think you know, one of the 61 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:32,719 advantages to gardening and fall, and I certainly experienced this 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,879 myself last year, is everything's fresh in your mind. So 63 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,800 this is what always happens to me. Spring comes and 64 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:41,599 I'm like, you know, all my perennials are little, they're 65 00:03:41,639 --> 00:03:45,080 not touching, and then by the time August rolls around, 66 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:47,319 I'm like, oh, yeah, I really should have moved that. 67 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 I should have trusted summer Stacy when she said she 68 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:53,479 wanted to move it in spring, didn't trust her. Now 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,080 everything's all like, you know, muscling out to each other. 70 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,039 If you do that in fall, it's all still fresh 71 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,360 in your mind, and it's still a great time to 72 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,879 move things, divide things, get rid of things, all that 73 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:04,719 stuff that's. 74 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:07,879 Speaker 1: Right, bend over and split your plants. It's a great 75 00:04:07,879 --> 00:04:09,439 time of the year to do that. You know. I 76 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,800 love And you've mentioned this before, Stacy Pete Odolph influential 77 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,439 Dutch garden designer, and he uses those bold drifts of 78 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,680 herbaceous perennials and ornamental grasses. It's so beautiful. And to 79 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:28,399 stand out there in fall as the sun has set, 80 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:32,439 maybe the moon's coming up, it's just so it's so beautiful. 81 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,360 There's just something so magical about the fall season. 82 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,959 Speaker 2: I like it. It's not my favorite, okay. And I 83 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:41,079 can see where you're coming from. But you know, to me, 84 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:45,319 like I like getting back inside and baking, making cozy meals. 85 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:48,000 But I have to say, right now, despite the heat, 86 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,920 despite the dryness, this summer has been amazing in the garden. 87 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,240 And right now it's peak. I mean, you go into 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,839 my backyard, it's a bonanza of activity between the hummingbirds 89 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:02,480 and the birds and insects and butterflies. I mean, I 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,800 it's it's it's the peak of the season. So I 91 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,319 don't I'm you know, I'm doing the show, but I'm 92 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,160 not quite ready to go full fall. 93 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And you know understand I love summer too. 94 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,639 It's you know, it's it's probably my favorite time of 95 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,279 the year. But when it comes to your landscape and 96 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,040 your garden, plants for example, that are put in the 97 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:26,000 ground in fall have a jump start over plants that 98 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:30,319 you would obviously put in the ground in spring. In fall, 99 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,480 generally the temperatures are cooler, the soil's nice and warm, 100 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:38,439 we get natural rainfall, so it's the perfect time to 101 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,000 try to establish things, whether it's turf or some flowering 102 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,240 shrubs or some perennials, or put some bulbs in the ground. 103 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: Now. 104 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: One suggestion I have recommendation have some good lighting. I 105 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:55,560 was looking this up. We lose daylight at the most 106 00:05:55,759 --> 00:06:01,920 rapid rate during the month of September. So, for example, 107 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,480 here in West Michigan, September one, sunrise at seven oh 108 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:09,040 seven am, sunset at eight sixteen pm. By the time 109 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:11,560 you get to the end of the month, it's rising 110 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,480 at seven thirty nine am setting at seven twenty four pm. 111 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:20,199 So I recommend having some good lighting. I like those 112 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,000 I don't know, those miners lights that you can put 113 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,040 on your you know, on your head with led l Yeah, 114 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:32,279 because especially if you're working and not in retirement, boy, 115 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,360 you're by the time you get home from work, it's 116 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:36,680 getting dark and you want to spend some time out 117 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,680 in the yard. So it's a good way to go. Now, 118 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,040 another thing Stacey is to make sure to use nature's bounty, 119 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,279 and that is prepared to use all those leaves that 120 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:49,199 are going to fall off the trees. I remember as 121 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,240 a kid in the nineteen sixties, it was all about 122 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,040 burning leaves and the thick smoke through the whole neighborhood. 123 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,279 Now it's all about leaf blowers and the sound of 124 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:04,920 leaf blowing. I like to rake leaves because it's great exercise, 125 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,560 and we can use those leaves to smother turf areas 126 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:13,279 if we wish, with some soil to prepare some new 127 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:16,600 beds for next spring. Another thing to do in the 128 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,560 landscape at this time of the year is to dead 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,319 head some annuals. Some of those annuals still have life 130 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:25,879 if you deadhead them and feed them. Some respond really 131 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,360 well to cooler temperatures and will bloom like crazy for 132 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,240 you well into October. 133 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: Well. Not to mention, it's important to keep your annuals going, 134 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:37,959 especially if you have annuals that attract hummingbirds, because they 135 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:40,560 are going to be feeding like crazy in that late 136 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,600 September timeframe as they get ready to migrate. So it 137 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,120 could be tempting to be like, oh, hey, summer's over, 138 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,040 I'm done with all of my nice summary stuff out 139 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,720 of here, But the hummingbirds will thank you if you 140 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,560 keep that going, and you'll be glad you did because 141 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,000 the color changes completely too. Everything's so much brighter and 142 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,120 more beautiful. 143 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: And the monarch butterflies before they have south for winter. 144 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:07,319 So deadhead those annuals. Plant some cool season annuals like pansies, Nomesia, 145 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,920 even super tunas, ornamental kale, they'll do really well. Make 146 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:17,040 note of fall bloomers like asters, solidago, ironweed, joe pie weed, 147 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:20,879 little blue stem seedums, all these plants that you may 148 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,399 want to add to your landscape for future years. And 149 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,720 of course the color on the flowering shrubs. Stacey, should 150 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:31,079 I say legend of the fall? Anyone? Oh? 151 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,799 Speaker 2: Yeah? For fall fool age. And as we've said before, 152 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,879 money times, roses really have a second season in fall. 153 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:40,919 And if you haven't noticed this before, you really do 154 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,200 need to check it out because it is wild what 155 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,200 reblooming roses can do in fall compared to what you 156 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,679 were just seeing over so. 157 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,639 Speaker 1: So a little bit of dead heading, maybe a little 158 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:53,879 bit of feeding, and yes, you'll see those roses just 159 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,279 beautiful in the fall season. All right. I prepared a 160 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,840 fall preparation a rick for you. Oh, I wanted to 161 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:06,080 quickly mention. Also it's something I just did yesterday. In August, 162 00:09:06,519 --> 00:09:10,200 a lot of stores put the summer plants on sale 163 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,240 and you can find incredible tropicals, bulb plants. I bought 164 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,639 a bird of Paradise, some cannas, that sort of thing. 165 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,399 And if you're willing to move them indoors in winter 166 00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:25,000 or store them. You have a great opportunity, and that's 167 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,759 the great thing about fall gardening. Also, there's lots of 168 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:29,000 bargains to be had. 169 00:09:29,159 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: Can't deny that. 170 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: All right, here's your limb a rick. Winter seemed to 171 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:38,759 last forever and spring too short for each endeavor. Summer 172 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,679 was too hot. Now you've got one shot. It's fall 173 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,480 or never say never. Fall is the peak season to 174 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:49,720 watch football for any reason. Just get out of the 175 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:54,080 recliner at halftime. Don't be a whiner. What improvements can 176 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,000 you squeeze in? Get going, improve your green thumbs, be 177 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:01,879 ready when the time comes, be different, Be a go getter. 178 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:06,039 You can do so much better than just buying a 179 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,399 couple of moms. 180 00:10:08,639 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: You're definitely gonna agree on that. 181 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: And we can agree on that. Fall is so much 182 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:17,080 more than chrysanthemums. We'll see how Stacey ties this in 183 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:19,919 and plants on trial, and coming up in segment four 184 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,759 will go down the list of things you can do 185 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,759 to prepare for the fall season. That's all coming up 186 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:28,559 on the Gardening Simplified Show. 187 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,879 Speaker 2: Beautify your home and community with proven Winner's color choice 188 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:41,000 shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique varieties 189 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:44,039 to choose from. There's a flowering, shrubber, evergreen for every 190 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,159 taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive white 191 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,039 container your local garden center or learn more at proven 192 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:55,559 Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome 193 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,360 back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where despite the fact 194 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:00,519 that it is early August in the high of summer 195 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,320 and everything is looking amazing, fall is not far and 196 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,759 we aren't trying to rush it here. But we also 197 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,480 know that people have a lot of questions about what 198 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,559 they can do in fall, and then we tend to 199 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,679 answer those in fall when maybe it's too late. So 200 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:15,559 we wanted to give you a head start on planning 201 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:20,440 your fall gardening weekends or evenings and know what you 202 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,039 can do and what you should do. There's not necessarily 203 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,960 the same thing, so of course when it comes to 204 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:30,759 plants on trial, it's just to say plants that we're 205 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:32,440 going to tell you about from the proven Winner's Color 206 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:35,320 Choice Shrubs line, and you decide if you're going to 207 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,279 add them to your garden. Today's is a tree Wow, 208 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,399 and the reason why is because fall is a great 209 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,000 time for planting trees. 210 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: Well that's true. In fall, we're turning over a new leaf. 211 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:52,639 Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, especially for people who 212 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,879 are maybe a little bit older, there is some you know, 213 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:02,200 vestiges of ingrained beliefs that you shouldn't necessarily plant fall 214 00:12:02,279 --> 00:12:04,679 plant trees in fall, or certain trees shouldn't be planted 215 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,919 in fall. But that actually goes back to when trees 216 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:11,759 were mostly grown in fields, field grown instead of container 217 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,600 grown and bald and burlept. And it was true that 218 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:18,279 there were some trees like especially birch magnolia come to mind, 219 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,919 that did not want to be dug up in fall, 220 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,440 and that kind of made a lot of people just say, oh, 221 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,000 don't plant trees in fall because they didn't want to remember, 222 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:29,519 oh this is okay, but this isn't, or you know, 223 00:12:29,639 --> 00:12:32,159 so on and so forth. But the fact is, especially 224 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,120 now that trees are pretty much exclusively grown in containers, 225 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,840 at least the trees that most of us are buying 226 00:12:36,879 --> 00:12:40,240 at our local garden center. Since they're grown and containers, 227 00:12:40,279 --> 00:12:44,840 you can plant just about anything. So before I get 228 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:46,799 into today's plant on trial, I did want to give 229 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:49,759 a few caveats as to which trees you should not 230 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:54,639 plant in fall. And this basically is our standard kind 231 00:12:54,639 --> 00:13:01,480 of avoid this in fall, anything that is a broad leaf. Now, 232 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:03,120 of course, if you live in the South, you live 233 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:05,159 in a mild of climate, you're gonna have no problem 234 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,279 planting one of those fabulous evergreen magnolia is not going 235 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,720 to be a problem for you because you have a 236 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,279 mild climate. If you were to live in say the 237 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,440 Midwest or someplace where those are kind of, you know, 238 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,360 marginally hardy, or you're going to have a harsh winter, 239 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:22,159 these are not plants that you want to put in infall. 240 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,600 You want to put them in spring so they have 241 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:27,639 a nice long season to get established before that challenging 242 00:13:27,639 --> 00:13:31,240 weather sets in. So avoid those broad leaf evergreens, anything 243 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,639 that tends to get winter damage in your climate as well. 244 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,200 So when I was trying to decide for the plant 245 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,360 on trial today, one of my tree choices was potentially 246 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:46,399 going to be a redbuds, our new Midnight Express redbud, 247 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:48,960 beautiful plant. But I have found very often, I don't 248 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,559 know if you've seen this too, that redbuds often get 249 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,080 winter damage, even though they're native here and grow all 250 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,919 over the place. When I have had them, small small 251 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,200 plants that have gotten for free, like from the power 252 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,279 company giveaway. They've often gotten winter damage and not come 253 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,600 back entirely. And then along those same lines, anything that 254 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:11,120 you are pushing the hardiness for. So if you're right 255 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:14,200 on the edge of being hardy in your area, another 256 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,039 plant that you're gonna want to save until spring to plant. 257 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 But outside of those caveats, you can plant pretty much 258 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:24,679 anything in fall, including today's plant on trial, pink snowshowers, 259 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:25,759 weeping cherry. 260 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,159 Speaker 1: I love that, and you know I wanted to add 261 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,559 to that, Stacey. Yes, if it's a deciduous tree or 262 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,600 deciduous plant, odds are you're going to have pretty good luck. 263 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even some conifers. 264 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:42,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, because winter follows fall and that's a resting, dormant period. 265 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,720 Whereas if you put it in the ground in spring, boy, 266 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,039 you've got the duress of summer coming yep. 267 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: And you know the plant then is putting its energy 268 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:52,519 into flowering and growing and doing all this other stuff, 269 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:55,000 Whereas if you plant and fall, the plant is primarily 270 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:57,159 putting its energy into roots, which is going to help 271 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,399 it get established. Now, another reason that I chose pink snowshowers, 272 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:06,720 weeping flowering cherry or ornamental cherry is because a great 273 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,879 thing that you can do for your spring self in 274 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,120 fall is the plant spring flowering tree. Sure, and then 275 00:15:12,559 --> 00:15:14,200 you'll be able to look forward to it because it 276 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,879 should flower without missing a beat that same spring. So 277 00:15:17,919 --> 00:15:18,840 it's like planting wolves. 278 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: Gardeners never get old because they always have something to 279 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:22,159 look forward. 280 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: It's so true. I've seen that happen with so many people. 281 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:28,440 So this is a great investment in your spring. Now, 282 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:33,919 I will say, weeping plants, maybe only second to variegation, 283 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,440 are pretty polarizing. So what's your perspective on the weeping plants. 284 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Well, the problem with we I love weeping plants. I 285 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,639 love like a weeping beach or, as you mentioned here, 286 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,159 a weeping cherry. I love them provided you let them 287 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:54,000 do their natural thing. When you start giving them a 288 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,559 haircut and making them look like the beetles in the 289 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:59,919 nineteen sixties, that's when I have a problem. 290 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: People do that, and then it's kind of like going 291 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,039 against the reason that you bought this beautiful, elegant weeping tree. 292 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,200 I I am not the biggest fan of weeping weeping plants. 293 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:14,519 I like them, but I realized as I was preparing 294 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:19,759 for the show today that I like mature weeping plants, 295 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,240 but I don't like young weeping plants. Oh, and that's 296 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,600 a problem because you can't really get to the mature 297 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,559 weeping plant without going through that awkward childhood and teenage 298 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:33,519 years with your weeping plant. Yeah. 299 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:36,519 Speaker 1: As we mature, we develop more and more character. 300 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it. I mean, you know, when 301 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,200 they're young, they do look kind of funny, they look 302 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,320 a little bit awkward. But you know, of course we've 303 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,879 all seen gone to you know, arboretums or parks or 304 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,200 public gardens where you see an absolutely stunning mature weeping 305 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,799 cherry and you're just like, wow, that is going to 306 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:58,720 turn into that. So I realized that was kind of 307 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,360 my objection the weeping plants, not that I have an 308 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,839 issue with them on its own. So that is a 309 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,759 real revelation for me, in keeping with our recent series 310 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,720 on revelation and inspiration. 311 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Good point. But the bottom line here, Stacy again is 312 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,759 if it's a deciduous tree, fall is the time. 313 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: To do it, definitely, And I think weeping plants also 314 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,640 look really great with certain types of architecture more than others. 315 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,920 I think it's a classic choice. If you have a 316 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,039 mid century or brick ranch. I feel like that was 317 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:33,680 like the thing to do, and therefore I really strongly 318 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,920 associate it with that. But placement is so important, and 319 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,440 then of course you've got the issue of color, you know, 320 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,599 because pink flowers and red brick. That's up to you. 321 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,759 But so another thing I wanted to say, weeping plants 322 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,559 are all weeping trees are all grafted, which is to 323 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:55,480 say that the front, the top parts, and the bottom 324 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,400 part the trunk are not the same plant. Because weeping 325 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,440 branches are generally weak and because they are weeping, if 326 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,039 you didn't graft them, they would just be growing on 327 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,000 the ground and you wouldn't have a treat. So they 328 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,119 graft them on to another type of cherry in the 329 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,319 case of weeping cherries, and that is sort of what 330 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,880 gives them that kind of awkward teenage phase. And I 331 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,880 did want to mention, especially with pink snow showers, if 332 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,359 you look at our photos on our website or on 333 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,920 our plant tags, what you're going to notice, and this 334 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,799 is true of multiple weeping cherries. Sometimes the understock that 335 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:34,200 they use the trunk basically can be a different type 336 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,319 of cherry, so you might get one that has like 337 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,160 a really beautiful shiny red trunk, or you might get 338 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,359 one that's just plain gray. And it really just depends 339 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,799 on what the grower used to graft them. So that's 340 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:48,519 just something to keep in mind. If you're looking at 341 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:50,160 the tag and you're like, wait a minute, this trunk 342 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,440 doesn't look like the trunk that is in front of me. 343 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:54,920 What do I do about this? It's just simply a 344 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,920 matter of the understock that the grower chose to use. Now, 345 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,359 the nice thing about weepers, too, is that you shouldn't 346 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,000 prune them. 347 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,599 Speaker 1: Correct and that would apply stacey basically to anything that 348 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,200 blooms in spring. Definitely, let's not be pruning it in fall, 349 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,720 whether it's a lilac or in this case. 350 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,319 Speaker 2: A weeping chair, right, And it does sometimes mean though, 351 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,400 as far as pruning, they can revert. I have seen 352 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,359 some understock come up. You'll see this a lot in spring. 353 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,400 Driving around, You'll see these older cherry trees and they're 354 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,799 flowering white and pink, and you're like, whoa, it's a miracle. Well, no, 355 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,279 not quite. All that happened is that the understock shut 356 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,079 up a white branch and the pink is somehow not overwhelmed. 357 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,440 But if you do see that happening in your weeping cherry, 358 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,319 whether it's today's plan on trial pink snow showers weeping cherry, 359 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:46,599 or a different variety that you have in your yard, 360 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,160 you should take the opportunity to get that out. And 361 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,079 that can come out anytime. It doesn't really matter that 362 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,000 much if you take it out now or it's spring 363 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:53,839 or summer or whatever. 364 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'll see I call them water sprouts at 365 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,599 the top of the tree at the graft where they 366 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,880 just kind of stand straight up, So you've got to 367 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,119 do some maintenance purning there. 368 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just something that goes with the tree. 369 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:07,839 But that's also why they're so much better when they 370 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:10,839 are mature. So as you can guess, pink snow Showers 371 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,440 has pink flowers on lovely weeping branches. It starts out 372 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:17,319 quite small, but it does get to be a really 373 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,799 large tree. It's going to reach thirty to thirty five 374 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,079 feet at maturity. So definitely one that you're going to 375 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,119 want to cite appropriately. But popular, very easy to find 376 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,240 in your local garden centers. It is hardy down to 377 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:33,680 USDA Zone four and heat tolerant. Through USDA Zone eight. 378 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:38,480 It is not dear resistant, as most flowering cherries and 379 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:41,960 crab apples and all of those fabulous spring flowering shrubs 380 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,640 also are not deer resistant. But if you have the 381 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,039 right place for this, and if you love weeping plants, 382 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,960 it is a classic choice with modern day performance. It 383 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:55,920 is resistant to shothole disease, which is a funny little 384 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,599 fungus that grows on the foliage and then the little 385 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,960 fungal spot drops out and it looks like the thing 386 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:04,279 just got shot up with a baby gun. So this 387 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,599 is resistant to that. So if you've had issues with 388 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,279 other cherries or other ornamentals in your yard, getting that 389 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:13,400 peak snowshowers is a great choice. You will find it 390 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,200 at your local garden center, hopefully at a great price 391 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,519 since it is fall, but even if not, it is 392 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,279 worth the investment in your time and money. We're going 393 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,880 to take a little bit of a break when we 394 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,799 come back. 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Use the contact form 419 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,759 there and you will get an answer much sooner than 420 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:51,799 writing to us here on the show, because we only 421 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:54,599 have time for three questions every week, and in fact, 422 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,000 I picked a pretty big and juicy question for the 423 00:22:58,039 --> 00:22:59,960 first one today, so it could take us a little 424 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 litle bit of time to answer this. 425 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: Well, Audrey writes to us, we just purchased a home 426 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:10,559 with a few wooded acres near the lake shore in Holland, Michigan. 427 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,880 For folks who watch and listen to us. For me, 428 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,559 that's just north of where I live here along the 429 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,839 lake shore, and we weren't able to view the property 430 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,960 in person until just last week. We were concerned to 431 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,480 find several dead and dying trees on the property. From 432 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,839 what we can tell, it seems to be oak will. 433 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,279 This is new to us, but seems to be a 434 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:39,160 significant issue in the area and a considerable unexpected expense. 435 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,880 Do you have any advice, guidance, or resources for how 436 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,119 homeowners can properly treat and manage this issue? Well, I'll 437 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,440 tell you, Stacy, I would you know right off the bat, 438 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,799 make sure to employ There are so many wonderful professional 439 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:00,480 arborous around, so engage those arborous to help you out 440 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:04,920 with it. Timing is everything when pruning or cutting oaks, 441 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,920 And just yesterday, yesterday myself and my neighbor we teamed 442 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,319 up with an arborist and took out some oak trees 443 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:19,000 that were dying on our properties. Important to employ a 444 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,400 trained professional arborist when you're looking at doing something like. 445 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,799 Speaker 2: It is so important, And that was one of the 446 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:28,759 reasons why I really wanted to answer this question. I 447 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,240 don't think we've really talked too much about oak welt. 448 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,519 It's been around since the nineteen forties here in Michigan, 449 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,640 but it has really started to reach much bigger proportions. 450 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,319 And there are so many great arborists. And if you 451 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,160 go through like the ISA, the International Society of Arborists, 452 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,480 or an accredited institution like that, you're probably getting someone 453 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,279 who knows what they're doing. But there are definitely a 454 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,440 lot of arborists out there that don't. And if you 455 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:59,640 have oaks in your property, you should ask any arborists 456 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,119 to leave promptly if they suggest pruiting or removing them. 457 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:08,160 Anytime outside of basically the November to March timeframe that 458 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,640 is the biggest aspect of managing oak wilt. But let 459 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,400 me back up a minute here, Audrey, because I will say, 460 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,880 you know, I was looking at a map of confirmed 461 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,400 oak wilt cases, and Holland is not really quite a hotbed. 462 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,920 There's been a couple of cases that are confirmed, and 463 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,880 of course not every case that happens is necessarily going 464 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,000 to be confirmed. Most of the confirmed and treated cases 465 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,200 are on the north side of Holland. So I'm seeing 466 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,039 this because I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to assume 467 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,640 it is oak wilt because one of the issues that 468 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,680 we have had out here in West Michigan over the 469 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,440 past couple of years is a terrible spongey moth infestation. 470 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,400 Now this year they kind of they go and boom 471 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,240 bust population cycles. They are in a bust year. I 472 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:57,400 have hardly seen a single one, and after years of 473 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,440 having our oaks just completely to full the point in 474 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,359 the season. But of course after several years of being 475 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:09,759 preyed upon by spongey moths formerly known as the gypsy moth, 476 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,079 that starts to set them back because they lose all 477 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,480 of their foliage. And I think this year, especially coupled 478 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:21,039 with a drought that we have had. Just because you 479 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,400 may have struggling or dying oaks in your yard doesn't 480 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,240 necessarily mean it's oak will. 481 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: In some cases it's just plain old decline in some 482 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,359 of the trees. As I mentioned, we took out some 483 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,400 trees and I think it was declined. So you're very 484 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,720 right in that, Stacey, don't make the assumption that it's 485 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:42,240 oak will. 486 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: But of course we are going to put some resources 487 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,599 for you in the notes on YouTube there so that 488 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,160 you can look this up. First of all, I would 489 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,440 say identify the oaks if you can, because oak wilt 490 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,359 it can affect any kind of oak, but it is 491 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,720 far and away more prevalent a bigger pest of red 492 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,799 oaks than white oaks. So if you have white oaks, 493 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,400 I would be less inclined to think that it was 494 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,839 oak wilt than if they were red oaks. Now, if 495 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,799 you go online in the resources that we're going to 496 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:18,440 share with you, the main like kind of actual diagnosis 497 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,480 that people use is to cut open the bark, not 498 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,200 really something that the average homeowner probably has the equipment 499 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,880 or knowledge to do, but you can look at the 500 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,599 foliage and because oak wilt does cause the plant to 501 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,079 cause the foliage to fall off with a pretty distinctive 502 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,839 pattern to it. So compared to just falling brown or green, 503 00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:47,039 it kind of has this like very zonal green and 504 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,880 brown and orange. You'll see pictures of it storm. Yeah, 505 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,759 that's kind of what it is, like like a sky 506 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,599 with all of that color in there. And so that 507 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,680 of course would mean that you were seeing that on 508 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,319 the foliage on the ground. And this is pretty much 509 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,400 the time that an oak with oak wilt will have 510 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:06,720 dropped its leaves or be starting to drop its leaves. 511 00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:09,920 So take a close look underneath and look for that. Again, 512 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,599 that would not be the actual absolute confirmation of oak wilt, 513 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,400 but it is a sign that the average person can 514 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,200 look for, you know, pretty easily. But yet, if you 515 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,319 can also look for vertical cracks in the bark, and 516 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,319 that would mean that I was already infected for at 517 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,759 least a year. But they're pretty distinctive. Of course, they 518 00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,440 might be way up, so you might want to get 519 00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,519 a pair of binoculars. But if you have oak wilt, 520 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:36,440 it is time to call it an arborist. There's really 521 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,480 not much else to be said aside from that, because yeah, 522 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,519 you know, as you mentioned Audrey, it is a significant 523 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,359 expense if you need to manage a lot of trees. 524 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,160 But if you're going with a good arborist and they 525 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,559 know what they're doing, they can take care of them 526 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:56,079 for you. And hopefully that's not the case. But everyone 527 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,319 really in West Michigan should be aware of oak wilt 528 00:28:58,359 --> 00:28:59,960 and what to look for, especially if you have oaks 529 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:00,640 in your property. 530 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: And as you pointed out, Stacey, there's a big difference 531 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,519 between pruning and taking out a tree all together, and 532 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,319 that pruning there are people who will argue that window 533 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,960 is April through July, but I completely agree with you. 534 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,000 I would just stick to that November to March timeframe 535 00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,480 to be safe as it relates. 536 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: To complete dormancy ies. And again, most arboris are probably 537 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,400 going to be too busy doing non oak related stuff 538 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,599 in that other time period anyway. So there you know, 539 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,000 it kind of works out well for them that the 540 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:36,920 times they'd otherwise not have a lot to do, they 541 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,079 can work on pruning or managing oak. 542 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:42,839 Speaker 1: Wild's best time to hire though. Okay, Lindsay's writing to us, 543 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:46,880 I'm reaching out regarding my baptisia. I purchased this in 544 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,519 the spring and planted it in a spot where I'd 545 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,880 misjudged its sun exposure. It also was attacked by wind 546 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,160 pretty early in the season. My question is, if I'm 547 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,039 correct that the issue is light exposure, Am I I 548 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,079 able to move the plant to a sunnier location yet 549 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,880 this year? Or do I need to wait until spring? 550 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,759 Anything in particular I should keep in mind when trying 551 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,279 to move it to set it up for success. 552 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,559 Speaker 2: Yes. So I first of all, I thought this was 553 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,359 a great question to answer for our Fall task LISZ episode. 554 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,240 And second of all, I'm excited to answer this question 555 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:26,599 from a personal perspective because I have moved Baptisia multiple 556 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,400 times in my life, once in spring during COVID when 557 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,279 we were in a gardening frenzy. The plants survived, but 558 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,359 they were not very happy about it. Whereas I moved 559 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:42,599 a very established Baptisia's last fall, and I was amazed 560 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,640 at how they came into spring without missing a beat. 561 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,680 It was like I had not even moved them. And 562 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,440 that's saying something because they have extensive, deep root systems 563 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,160 that are really really hard to take out thoroughly, so 564 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,920 you're always going to have some breakage, You're always going 565 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,799 to have some root loss with these plants, no matter 566 00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,839 how how careful you are. But honestly, I couldn't believe 567 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,720 my eyes when these things came out this spring. It 568 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,960 was like they had not even missed a beat. And 569 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,359 that was plants that had been in the ground for 570 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,440 about five years. So your plant being in its first year, 571 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,759 not going to have any trouble, you know, moving that 572 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,359 this fall. Now. I moved mine here in West Michigan 573 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,000 in probably mid September. You can do it anywhere up 574 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,440 through about mid October, I would say, but I would 575 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,559 definitely wait until, you know, those days are starting to 576 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,279 get much shorter and the temperatures are starting to get cooler. 577 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,559 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do in fall move plants, 578 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:39,680 rearrange plants, dig them up, divide them baptizia or whatever 579 00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:43,079 type of perennial it may be. I've had great success 580 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680 doing that, Stacey, along with the plants that I've bought 581 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,599 off the bargain shelf in fall and put in the 582 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:53,599 ground again. Fall just the perfect time to do that 583 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,759 sort of thing. So I would encourage Lindsay to move 584 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:57,160 it this. 585 00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: Fall, definitely, And the only caveat I would really have 586 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,519 that I found the last year was you do have 587 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,599 to be careful because the plant, believe it or not, 588 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,680 is already setting its buds for next year. So as 589 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,000 you dig it, you'll actually be able to see those 590 00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:14,319 buds already developing on the root mass. So you want 591 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,079 to make sure that you are minimizing your disturbance because 592 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,920 any of those that you break off will mean something 593 00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:23,359 that would have grown but now won't. But it's not difficult. 594 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,039 You'll see it. So as with any transplanting process, be careful, 595 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,279 pay attention, and you should have success. 596 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: Maybe a little mulch at the base also, man. 597 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: Oh, mulch is always a good idea. You bet. We're 598 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,799 going to take a little break. When we come back, 599 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,680 we're going to be returning to our conversation on fall task, 600 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:48,559 So please stay tuned. Thanks for listening to the Gardening 601 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,160 Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. 602 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,119 Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and 603 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,319 tested by experts with your success in mind. Learn more 604 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,000 at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 605 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,359 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Okay, Stacy, so 606 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,200 I consider fall not the end, but maybe even the 607 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,799 beginning of a great garden and lawn in your landscape. 608 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,720 Like we've said, plants that are put in the ground 609 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,799 establishment are going to work on developing roots instead of 610 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:28,359 a focus on top growth like you see in spring. 611 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,319 So let me mention first of all, as far as 612 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,680 turf is concerned, if your lawn is lawn gone after 613 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,079 the heat of summer, perfect time to fix your lawn 614 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,960 is August through October. I'm talking about core, air raiding, receding, 615 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,559 repairing an existing lawn. And the knock on turf in 616 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,160 our landscapes generally is the amount of work, the amount 617 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960 of inputs that you have to put into the lawn, 618 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,640 the expense, and I'm thinking primarily as far as water 619 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:06,160 is concerned, so for more sustainability, if you want some 620 00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,000 turf in your landscape, fall is the time to establish. 621 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,960 Fall is the time to feed. During the summer, we 622 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,559 raise the deck on the more, have the grass as 623 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,679 long as you possibly can have in fall. Progressively, as 624 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,039 the season continues we start to lower the height of 625 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,719 the deck so we don't get things like snow mold 626 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,480 and that sort of thing during the wintertime when the 627 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:36,360 snow packs it down, but just the ideal time for germination, 628 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:42,400 root development, feeding your lawn. I know every year I 629 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:46,800 would when I had a sizable lawn in late fall, 630 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,920 I would apply malorganite. The Milwaukee sewage staff, yeah, and 631 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:56,000 I would apply it, and then invariably in January we 632 00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:59,719 would have a winter thaw. For folks who do not 633 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,760 live in the north, you have to understand that in winter, 634 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,679 snow is the great equalizer. Everybody's yard looks the same 635 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,800 in winter. Generally we would get a January thaw, and 636 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,960 up and down the street, everybody's lawns would be brown. 637 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,360 Mine would be dark green, and everybody would be asking me, hey, Rick, 638 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,440 what are you doing now on your list? In fall 639 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:29,880 also weed control. Again, many people attack weeds in spring 640 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:34,400 and only get top kill, or they're killing winter annuals 641 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,719 that are going to die anyhow So fall, identifying weeds, 642 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,159 whether they be dandelions or winter annuals, and getting at 643 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,559 those weeds in fall will make a huge difference in 644 00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:53,880 weed control on your property. It's you know, I always say, 645 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,599 take me to your weader. Well, your weader is fall. 646 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,280 The fall season the ideal time to deal with weeds. 647 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,280 And remember many of the weeds they sy like perennial 648 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,039 weeds are like the trees. They're preparing for winter too, 649 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,760 let's say a dandelion, and they're sending their food reserves 650 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,800 into the root system. So if you do selectively use 651 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,719 an herbicide on the weeds, you're going to get better 652 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,480 translocation into the root system and again get better control 653 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,239 as far as weeds are concerned. So I think as 654 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,440 far as turf is concerned, if you want good sustainability 655 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,800 but a nice thick lawn, falls the time to do it. 656 00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: You know. I would add to that that if you're 657 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,760 considering any kind of alternative lawn, if you're considering adding 658 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,679 clover to your lawn or doing some kind of flour 659 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,079 meadow or something like that, falls also the time to 660 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,840 do that. And if you look at any website, like 661 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,880 a prairie website that sells seed mixes for doing just this, 662 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,440 they always recommend fall. So it's not just grass. If 663 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,719 you're looking to do this other kind of stuff, Fall 664 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,920 is a great time to do that too. 665 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: Cover crops, Yeah, that sort of thing. Take a look 666 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,119 at that. And one of the number one questions that 667 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,440 I would get through the years at this time of 668 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,239 the year is. People really do struggle with do I 669 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,280 cut it back or not, whether it be bud lea 670 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:18,880 or ornamental grasses. Now I like to enjoy them in 671 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,920 the wintertime and cut them back in spring, but other 672 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:28,199 perennials also doing some selective cleanup. Obviously, on herbaceous perennials, 673 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,119 you're really not going to make a mistake because they're 674 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,480 going to die back to the ground anyhow. But that's 675 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,599 one of the top questions that we get and don't 676 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,239 forget about planting bulbs. Of course, we love to plant 677 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,760 garlic in fall. That's a great thing to plant. But 678 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,199 any of your bulbs, putting them in the ground, tulips, daffodil's, crocus, hyacinths, aliens, whatever, 679 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,159 it may be perfect time, of course to plant in fall, 680 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,039 and then you're rewarded in spring with beautiful color. Some 681 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:05,599 people struggle with the fact that rodents or squirrels will 682 00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,719 dig up their bulbs when they've put them in the ground. 683 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:12,199 So I've always wrapped them in a chicken wire mesh. 684 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,880 Just dug a hole, laid some chicken wire in it, 685 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:18,159 put the bulbs in, fold the wire over and it 686 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,920 seems to work, really, really well, and I think you've 687 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,719 got a bear in mind that in fall, and this 688 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,800 is noted as a matter of fact at our website 689 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,920 Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. We'll put the link there. 690 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:36,920 It's something from the University of Michigan. It's about squirrels 691 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:41,159 and the fact that squirrels their brain power increases by 692 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:47,199 fifteen percent in the fall, and they're out there, of course, 693 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,800 busy planting for the future, and they have this headflick. Now, 694 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,920 I found that this is really interesting. I always thought 695 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,320 that squirrels would rub the acorn on the side of 696 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,039 their head so that they could leave their scent on 697 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,079 that acorn and find it later. But my theory is 698 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,760 all wet. Basically, what they're saying is they do they 699 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,559 do this head flick and this rub to assess whether 700 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,840 or not the acorns that they have collected are worthy 701 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,000 to just eat right now or store them away for winter. 702 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:22,000 I thought that was in it. 703 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,519 Speaker 2: They're like somaliers deciding if the wine should be aged 704 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,400 or consume right away, but for acorns. 705 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 1: So they're smart. They're smart, so maybe follow the example 706 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,320 of the squirrels. Also, I think if you're living in 707 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,599 the north or the Midwest, being aware of the position 708 00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:46,239 of the sun in winter and also the direction of 709 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,559 the wind, because that does allow of damage to plant stacey. 710 00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,519 And when we look at things like southwest disease, the 711 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,760 splitting of the bark on trees. Putting tree wraps on 712 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,159 from October through the winter period will many times time 713 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,400 keep that splitting of trunks from occurring. So I think 714 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,679 that that's an important thing to look at too, especially 715 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:13,440 broad leaf evergreens if they're on a southern or western exposure. 716 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,079 Maybe some anti deseconate sprays. 717 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's interesting that you mentioned that because 718 00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,119 there is a property that I pass on my way 719 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,599 to work every day that in the winter I could 720 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,360 see the sun just beating down on these couple of 721 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,199 plants in this hedge of green giant arborvidies, and I 722 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,400 was like, wow, those look so weird. And it turns 723 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,119 out those were the exact ones that died because that 724 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,599 sun was warming them up. And there's nothing you can 725 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,800 really do about that, you know, if you're trying to 726 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,800 plant a hedge, but perhaps you could try something to 727 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,440 fill in those holes that is less likely to use water, 728 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,159 like a more needle leaf juniper compared to the more 729 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,960 scale leaf arborviti, something with a more reduced leaf surface. 730 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,639 Speaker 1: I want to encourage people to, you know, if we've 731 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,840 mentioned this previously in the show Stacey, but if you 732 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,599 have some plants that need to be moved or they're 733 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:10,480 crowding out, maybe doing a little root pruning in advance 734 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,400 in August and then eventually moving the plant in September 735 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,000 and October, or preparing the new site where they're going 736 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,280 to be moved when temperatures are cooler and we're getting 737 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,480 natural rainfall. I just you know, I've always joked about 738 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,800 the fact that many plants in my landscape have been 739 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,400 moved so many times they're eligible for frequent Flyer miles. 740 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,079 But it's true, and it's fun and it's fun to rearrange. 741 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,480 And folks, this is your opportunity right here, and I'd 742 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:41,400 seize the moment. 743 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I said, especially since things are 744 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,239 fresh in your mind, you know, compared to spring, where 745 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,000 you're thinking, oh, that would look really good if I 746 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,840 divided that and moved part over here. You know, now 747 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,679 it actually makes sense to you. Whereas if you try 748 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,639 to remember what things were like in spring, you know, 749 00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,440 all those months have gone by, you completely forget. So 750 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,239 it's a great opportunity to take the things that you've 751 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,519 really enjoyed or noticed as you've been appreciating the garden 752 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:10,440 through the growing season and invest that observation and knowledge 753 00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,280 into previous seasons. I am saying this for my own 754 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,079 benefit as much as yours, because this is definitely something 755 00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:19,679 I can't get away with letting slide until spring next year. 756 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:20,920 I'm learning my lesson this year. 757 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,559 Speaker 1: I probably here well said, and you know you can. 758 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,440 If they're woody plants. You can take some of the 759 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,480 size out of the plants by pruning them back and 760 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,320 making the move easier. Yes, you may be sacrificing some 761 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,239 blooms for next spring, but if it has to move, 762 00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,800 it has to move, and then Stacey. In spring, we're 763 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,239 often talking about hardening off plants, moving them from the 764 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,320 comfortable environment of a greenhouse into the great outdoors and 765 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,400 being subject to cold and wind. Well, now in fall 766 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,039 the reverse is true. You kind of harden off plants 767 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:59,000 that have been out on the deck, tropical plants, prepare 768 00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,760 to move them in side where there's less light, less 769 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,400 day length, cleaning the plants, possibly repotting them inspecting for insects. 770 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,000 All important to carry over some of those plants over 771 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:12,679 the winter. 772 00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 2: Period, definitely get them ready for their indoor vacation. 773 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: So it may still be hot outside, but you've got 774 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,320 some work to do, and you've got some thinking to do, 775 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,000 and you have an opportunity to seize one of the best, 776 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,320 if not the best season of the year to be 777 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,239 gardening and landscaping fall. So Stacy, I guess we better 778 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:36,800 get to work. 779 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 2: I'll do it all right. 780 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching the Gardening Simplified Show 781 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:46,920 on YouTube, listening on podcast or radio. Thank you Stacy, 782 00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:50,719 thank you X, thank you Adriana, and thanks most of 783 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,400 all to you for your support of the show. Have 784 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,079 a great week.