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Speaker 2: Howdy folks, your host double jback here coming at you
Speaker 2: with another Fridays And I saw their commentary already in
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Speaker 2: deck for ead in old night talking some nineteen seventies
Speaker 2: games show serial killers, that is, serial killers who had
Speaker 2: got on game shows. So thanks again for joining us
Speaker 2: here tonight for a Friday's get a little GCD folks
Speaker 2: of the airwebs. Once again, JJ Vance here host of
Speaker 2: Operation GCD and not the vice president, And without any
Speaker 2: further ado, let's go ahead and welcome our guest tonight,
Speaker 2: Julia the Cosmic Peach Cosmic Peach Podcast. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: Operation GCD for your very first time.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me for the very first time. JJ.
Speaker 3: I'm actually really excited about this when I've been looking
Speaker 3: forward to it for a couple of weeks now and
Speaker 3: it's it my top the OJ episode. I don't know.
Speaker 3: We got a lot to this, guests here.
Speaker 2: That'll be tough to do, ma'am. That'll be tough to do.
Speaker 2: And we kind of, if I'm mad, we kind of
Speaker 2: piggybacked this episode. Our discussion we played here tonight was
Speaker 2: kind of all our last conversation on serial Killers of
Speaker 2: the anal digging variety, the government cheese and you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, government cheese. Actually, I guess, well, do you want
Speaker 3: to tell the listeners a little bit about what we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about before I get to going, because
Speaker 3: I have something I want to reveal to you.
Speaker 2: Well, why don't you go ahead and plug some of
Speaker 2: your stuff your show, please, ma'am. And you can go
Speaker 2: ahead and do the unveiling of what you got, but
Speaker 2: then we'll get on the brieving folks here on government cheese.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I host a Cosmic Peach podcast. It's available
Speaker 3: wherever you listen to podcasts, and I do have Patreon
Speaker 3: as well, and yeah, just working on a lot of
Speaker 3: cool stuff. I really enjoyed talking to JJ about government cheese.
Speaker 3: Those are some of the topics I like to cover
Speaker 3: program Serial Killers, and that's how I discovered government cheese,
Speaker 3: but also the one that we're talking about tonight and
Speaker 3: the big reveal is. I have also given him a moniker.
Speaker 3: It's a cosmic peach moniker. And Rodney al Calla, he's
Speaker 3: a Mexican American and he went by the alias of
Speaker 3: John Berger. So his cosmic peach moniker is the Bell Beefer.
Speaker 2: Nice, okay, the Bell Beefer?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: You ever had one of those? From Taco Bell.
Speaker 2: I've heard of these things. I tend to not frequent
Speaker 2: to many establishments such as that.
Speaker 3: I feel like it really fits him. He's the worst
Speaker 3: type of Mexican food you can have. And we'll get
Speaker 3: into his his atrocities later on in the show. But yes,
Speaker 3: we got government cheese, and tonight we're gonna be talking
Speaker 3: about the Bell Beefer, also known as the Dating Game Killer.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you brought that part up because I
Speaker 2: do want to get into his al kala of the
Speaker 2: Bell Beefer, his aspects of his you know, chronology of
Speaker 2: events where he's up in New Hampshire working at a
Speaker 2: summer camp.
Speaker 3: Yes, that, to me, among other things, has stood out
Speaker 3: to be alarming.
Speaker 2: Uh kidding, You ain't kidding a lot.
Speaker 3: Like Jeffrey Dahmer ted Bundy. I don't maybe John Wayne
Speaker 3: Gacy a little bit and government cheese. This guy kept
Speaker 3: getting busted and getting out, which is something else that
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 2: That's the going trend, right, that's the going trend, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you see that, you automatically have
Speaker 3: to wonder, like what is really.
Speaker 2: You might be under a tech.
Speaker 3: My darkn asshole.
Speaker 2: So no, that's a good point. And I've been doing
Speaker 2: a lot of these same kind of comparisons, mapping these
Speaker 2: guys out their activities, seeing what they've been doing in
Speaker 2: their lives. So, speaking of Ed Edwards, the other guy
Speaker 2: we're talking about, he got on two game shows, two
Speaker 2: game shows, and I still can't find his episode from
Speaker 2: what's the line and what's my line? But we'll get
Speaker 2: into some of those details. But speaking of Ed, you know,
Speaker 2: he's a Satanist ray. He's a prolific serial killer. That
Speaker 2: seems to be another common trend here amongst these folks, right,
Speaker 2: another common trend. And one of these folks that I
Speaker 2: was discussing just very recently that this seems very prolific.
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of patterns between these folks. Thomas
Speaker 2: Eugene Creech in Idaho. He basically did everything Ed did
Speaker 2: ten years after Ed in Idaho, married a seventeen year
Speaker 2: old in Idaho falls went on a Bonnie and Clyde
Speaker 2: robbery spree and murder spree with that seventeen year old
Speaker 2: wife right now. Ed did that by having he's got
Speaker 2: two different marriage license to that seventeen year old nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty six, one under the name Ed Edwards and the
Speaker 2: other one under the name James Garfield Langley. And I
Speaker 2: would argue these unintelligent agencies that we call them, they
Speaker 2: need to come up with a better name. Those boys.
Speaker 2: It's the CIA because James Garfield like the president and
Speaker 2: Langley like their headquarters. I mean, how else does this
Speaker 2: man have two marriage licenses on the same day with
Speaker 2: the same judge and the same stamps and everything else
Speaker 2: to the same woman under two different personalities and identities.
Speaker 2: He admits he gets that in nineteen fifty five in
Speaker 2: Key West, where he is there with at the same
Speaker 2: time as the CIA and Castro plot and he overthrow
Speaker 2: the Batista government in Cuba, and then he gets arrested
Speaker 2: for murder in November of nineteen sixty up there in Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 2: under the name James Garfield Langley. He shows up to
Speaker 2: and we're talking mind control stuff as well with this guy, right,
Speaker 2: he shows up to a Lover's Lane murder scene the
Speaker 2: next day and he's got a bolt wounded, his arm
Speaker 2: bleeding shit, and there's a bolt hole in the windshield.
Speaker 3: So they are were he one of those ones that,
Speaker 3: like the police apprehend him for like other things, maybe
Speaker 3: even not murder related, And he just keeps getting let
Speaker 3: back out like one of those kind of guys.
Speaker 2: Sure that happens sometimes, but in this instance, when we're
Speaker 2: talking about folks, you can just get away. This time
Speaker 2: in Portland, he gets arrested under James Garfield Langley. He
Speaker 2: already served a stent in prison under the name Ed Edwards.
Speaker 2: How's he getting the other identity back? I don't know.
Speaker 2: But he escapes the Portland jail that night and goes
Speaker 2: on the run for the next fourteen months as the
Speaker 2: number one most wanted man in America on the FBI's list. Now,
Speaker 2: Thomas Eugene Creech had the same ability to escape things
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: The Bell Beefer actually was on the FBI's most wanted
Speaker 3: list as well, and somebody recognized him and turned him in.
Speaker 3: But it's it's kind of like one of those things.
Speaker 3: He has an alias, right, he goes by Yeah, he
Speaker 3: goes by John Berger, and he goes by Rodney Alcala,
Speaker 3: and he moves around a lot. So it's kind of
Speaker 3: hard to uh, oh God, here we go.
Speaker 2: All of these folks are very prolific. They travel everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, is like
Speaker 3: Randy Craft and Ted Bundy and this guy Bell Bee
Speaker 3: for it's like there, their bodies are all over the place.
Speaker 3: They're spread it out. It's it's Portland, Seattle, New Hampshire,
Speaker 3: New York, all these places in California, and it's like
Speaker 3: that they're uh, they're everywhere and nowhere at the same time,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: And much like this case out of Canada, the Jonah's
Speaker 2: commenting on there, the Picton case and the tom foolery
Speaker 2: around that the authorities never really seemed to care.
Speaker 3: So or they they purposely turn a blind eye to
Speaker 3: what these guys are doing. I mean, obviously the Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 3: the one kid that got returned back to his apartment.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows about that one, but with government cheese. He
Speaker 3: actually he had two guys in his car. He pushed
Speaker 3: one of the guys out decapitated the other guy. They
Speaker 3: brought him in for questioning. There was no doubt that
Speaker 3: he had done it. In the district attorney let him
Speaker 3: back out with almost no questions asked. I mean these
Speaker 3: guys literally, either they turn a blind eye or there's
Speaker 3: orders given from on high somewhere to just let him loose.
Speaker 3: And they go years in years without ever being detected.
Speaker 2: How about forty, that's wild forty They let this serial killer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they let the serial killer out on Montana on parole,
Speaker 2: not the first time they did that with a serial
Speaker 2: killer up there. And then they didn't track him. He disappeared,
Speaker 2: He broke parole, and he disappeared for the next forty years.
Speaker 2: A private detective hired by one of his victims' families
Speaker 2: is the one who found him as a minister in
Speaker 2: Arizona and then brought his that they brought his ass
Speaker 2: back to Montana.
Speaker 3: But this was Yesther. Oh my god, that's like bt K.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this was this was ed Edward's old eddie
Speaker 2: boy there. This was his arch nemesis. Is it Satanist
Speaker 2: arch nemesis? So this dude was an ardent Satanist? What's
Speaker 2: his name, Frank Dryman, Frank Trying Frank Dryman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I haven't even ever heard of this fucking guy.
Speaker 3: I learned in the sixties.
Speaker 2: He murdered in the late fifties and then was in
Speaker 2: prison with Ed and Red Lodge maximum security prison in
Speaker 2: Montana for a few years. They were trying to beef
Speaker 2: to be the biggest dog in town. They're in the
Speaker 2: prison the biggest, toughest, most murderous Satanist guy. Right, This
Speaker 2: is document in the prison file. So when they find
Speaker 2: Frank Dryman in twenty ten, just again a PI hired
Speaker 2: by one of the victim's families. So then he gets
Speaker 2: dragged back up to Montana because he's been skip parole
Speaker 2: for thirty eight years. The guy who's working on the
Speaker 2: parole board as the investigator at the state prison, Deer Lodge, Right,
Speaker 2: I said Red Lodge, deer Lodge State Prison is John Cameron,
Speaker 2: the retired Great Falls police detective who did the seminal
Speaker 2: study on Ed Edwards. So he already knew Frank Dryman's name,
Speaker 2: and suddenly Frank Dryman shows up on his lap. He's
Speaker 2: got access to the prison records, he's got access to
Speaker 2: Frank Drymon, he writes us in his book about it.
Speaker 2: There's two books about it. Him and Dryman were competing
Speaker 2: Satanists and etc. Etc.
Speaker 3: So how so, okay, have you watched or are you
Speaker 3: into the Dexter series.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the police are just a little retarded, right, folks
Speaker 2: play into that, I think, right, they take advantage of it.
Speaker 2: Now I'm familiar with Dexter. I I don't like violence
Speaker 2: and murder, and despite them, as much as I talk
Speaker 2: about it, I don't watch a lot of it. And
Speaker 2: I hate I hate I hate combat, despite serving five
Speaker 2: years in the Middle East in combat. So these are
Speaker 2: just the things that I do. It's a kind of
Speaker 2: a paradox in my life. But I don't really care
Speaker 2: for murder, and I certainly don't care for the fiction.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a your typical average white female and I
Speaker 3: watch all the shows and I love Dexter. Obviously, he's
Speaker 3: like a vigilante. He just kills bad guys, So I
Speaker 3: guess you can justify it that way. But sure, in
Speaker 3: this newest season, for anyone in the comments who is
Speaker 3: watching this, now that you'll know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 3: it's like Program to Kill. There's a guy who collects
Speaker 3: serial killers, any brings them all together and he has
Speaker 3: dinners for him so they can like compare notes and
Speaker 3: shit and become friends and shit and think.
Speaker 2: This is very prevalent. So that's interesting. It's coming up
Speaker 2: in media right now. It's getting more prevalent, right.
Speaker 3: When you see guys like, Okay, you know how we
Speaker 3: talked about in the Government Cheese episode, how William Bonnan,
Speaker 3: Randy Kraft, and Patrick Kearney were all perpetrating similar crimes
Speaker 3: in and around the same area at the same time frame.
Speaker 3: So it's like, how could they know about each other? Right,
Speaker 3: It's like they have to know about each other. They're
Speaker 3: like copycatting each other almost. It's like, of course they
Speaker 3: they probably went to the same program to kill academy
Speaker 3: or some shit like that.
Speaker 2: Well that I'm glad you're bringing that up, because that's
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to document in all these six degrees
Speaker 2: games to play here in Operation GC, these all these
Speaker 2: folks know each other. So Richard Ramirez gets on one
Speaker 2: one with Anton Levy before his murder spree in the eighties,
Speaker 2: Thomas Creech gets eight one on one before his murder
Speaker 2: springs sixty nine or seventy one there in Idaho. Again,
Speaker 2: ten years after Ed did the same stuff in Idaho
Speaker 2: from the same town, he married a seventeen year old
Speaker 2: ad to Satanist Thomas Creech. Again is a weird connection
Speaker 2: because he's actually from Cincinnati and served time in Chilicothee Reformatory,
Speaker 2: the same place. I think that both Ed and Charles
Speaker 2: Manson when they served there together in fifty two and
Speaker 2: fifty three, when they were young men twenty and I
Speaker 2: think eighteen. I think that's when they got recruited of
Speaker 2: the CIA chaos programs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred. Look at this guy, I mean literally
Speaker 3: fugitive found running chapel. That's what That's one of the
Speaker 3: other terrifying things about this is how these guys end
Speaker 3: up just blending right in to regular society, just like BTK.
Speaker 3: Wasn't he like head of the fucking boy Scout troop
Speaker 3: and deacon at his church and you know whatever else?
Speaker 2: No one, no one ever had an nasty or bad
Speaker 2: or negative thing to say about Ed Edwards.
Speaker 3: Isn't that something?
Speaker 2: They're diabolical theirs? Their psychopaths. Ed got ed got diagnosed.
Speaker 3: Something though, Let me ask you something, JJ, Is it
Speaker 3: because they're diabolical or is it because they have like
Speaker 3: a kill switch? Are they realities in the same body?
Speaker 3: Are they disassociative personality? Maybe they don't even remember their
Speaker 3: crimes sometimes, Like, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: I think it's not mutually exclusive, ma'am. In fact, have
Speaker 2: you met buffalo Jared Rivisa. He's a current mind controled
Speaker 2: assassin went on a multi state you know, stabbing spree.
Speaker 2: Before that, he wanted to stab me and wear my
Speaker 2: skin is a human coat. Being my pr rep. The
Speaker 2: guy he murdered to start that spree hired him as
Speaker 2: his pr rep. Now he sets allegedly in a mental
Speaker 2: institution in Bridgewater, Massachusetts, the same mental institution that released
Speaker 2: that psychopathic kid dedling, cannibalistic, comicidal serial killer Nathaniel bar
Speaker 2: Jonah out of that place, and he immediately tried to kill,
Speaker 2: rape and eat and murder another you know, young boy,
Speaker 2: and then they unleashed him on monk. They didn't put
Speaker 2: in prison for that. He got probation four weeks after
Speaker 2: he's let out for doing the same thing that raping,
Speaker 2: attempting to murder, and then you know, you like to
Speaker 2: jump on the kids he's a big fat guy. Just
Speaker 2: he sits on him. It was really weird tactic, but
Speaker 2: that's what he did everybody. So he got caught doing
Speaker 2: that again, immediately gotter, got out. Folks saw it, intervened,
Speaker 2: they put them on probation. Then they shive him the
Speaker 2: Great Falls, Montana, which has a very similar footprint to mine,
Speaker 2: not in North Dakota, relative to the Son of Sam
Speaker 2: narratives and all this cold activity. But it is strange. Again,
Speaker 2: he gets involved in the evangelical movement up there. It's
Speaker 2: very interesting. His parents work. His father works at the
Speaker 2: Air Force base. That's why he goes up there. Come on,
Speaker 2: he goes on to murder a lot of folks, and
Speaker 2: the prosecutor's office played a lot of games with the warrants.
Speaker 2: Detective John Cameron, the man who wrote the seminal study
Speaker 2: on Ed Edwards there and the only man who's brought
Speaker 2: them to my attention. This Frank Ryman character is the
Speaker 2: guy who brought Nathaniel bar Jones of the Justice That's
Speaker 2: the Syraco face to face with Julia, and it was
Speaker 2: pure evil.
Speaker 3: Did you get a vibe though, did you get like
Speaker 3: a creepy feeling off this guy or is it Like
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, was there two people in one body,
Speaker 3: like one of them functions in society, never fucking you know,
Speaker 3: suspected him of anything and the other ones a kid diddling,
Speaker 3: cannibalistic serial killer. I mean, like, what was it? What
Speaker 3: was the vibe?
Speaker 2: Now, this dude's got top cover. You know, he's serving
Speaker 2: up human meat burgers at church barbecues. The eyewitness statements
Speaker 2: for that nineteen ninety six crime that he eventually got
Speaker 2: put in prison for the kidnapping, murder of Zachary Ramsey
Speaker 2: and eating of Zachary Ramsey. He's one who fed him
Speaker 2: at the church barbecue in ninety six. All the eyewitness
Speaker 2: reports came up Nathaniel bar Jona, right, he was last
Speaker 2: seeing in an alleyway with a ten year old and
Speaker 2: then you know.
Speaker 3: And then they creepy vibe from the guy I did.
Speaker 2: I did. That's what I'm saying. I think they come
Speaker 2: in different varieties. This is the kind of variety that
Speaker 2: comes with a lot of more top cover than Ed has.
Speaker 2: Right Now, Ed's very diabolical because we'll see, we can
Speaker 2: even watch clip here from his performance he gave on
Speaker 2: to tell the truth but he he is a very
Speaker 2: diabolical man and much like we see with Rodney Okaya
Speaker 2: on The Dating Game, he's smirking folks while he's on TV,
Speaker 2: and Ed's doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: So fucking crazy. You got to click for.
Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, for sure. But I do think there is
Speaker 2: an aspect of that. So how else do you get
Speaker 2: Ed Edwards or doctor psychiatrist, doctor James Garfield Langley, those
Speaker 2: are the credentials he would carry around. He Ed openly
Speaker 2: states his book that he worked for the CIA. I
Speaker 2: believe him.
Speaker 3: I believe it one hundred questions.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we know his friend Charles did, right,
Speaker 2: we know they're in the same place. I'm saying, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of things that we started to start drawing
Speaker 2: some conclusions on there. But with Ed, how else do
Speaker 2: you get him to show up to the scene of
Speaker 2: a lover's lane murder that he committed right so without
Speaker 2: with a bolt hole on his arm? Now, I think
Speaker 2: this is a great example of what you're saying. So
Speaker 2: I think Ed kills on his programmed missions, but also
Speaker 2: does his his thing as he likes to put it right,
Speaker 2: and he he murders lovers lane folks. That's what he
Speaker 2: that's what he went to prison for. That's what he's
Speaker 2: notorious for. It's what he got busted for. Forensic evidence
Speaker 2: supporting such. Right, And again that's what happened in Portland
Speaker 2: where he showed up to the scene of one. So
Speaker 2: he escapes from prison that night and then the next day,
Speaker 2: that same date that he escapes every night, and that
Speaker 2: it's like November twenty seventh, twenty sixth is the night
Speaker 2: of they arrest him in the morning of the twenty seventh.
Speaker 2: He escapes the twenty seventh, and a naval officer is
Speaker 2: murdered in nearby a story at Oregon on that same day.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a great example of what Ed does.
Speaker 2: So he had to get out of prison because he
Speaker 2: was on a mission to murder someone in a hit. Right,
Speaker 2: But he was doing this thing the night before, and
Speaker 2: you know, due to the you know, fucked up nature
Speaker 2: of his mind control, I think he showed back up
Speaker 2: with the scene bleeding with a bullet hole in his arm.
Speaker 3: Right, that's so fucking wild. Right, So did I ask
Speaker 3: you this on the last episode, But are you thinking
Speaker 3: that he might have something to do with the Zodiac stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get into that some. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is very prolific. I saw Whitey Bulger, he served, he
Speaker 2: was in prison with Whitey Bulger in Leavenworth. Ed was interesting, right,
Speaker 2: But I have a clip from that here.
Speaker 3: The lover's lane thing is really specific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's known for it. So what he got
Speaker 2: busted for in two thousand and nine. And folks can
Speaker 2: the interwebs can go check out my Sundays I did
Speaker 2: last week. I'm doing a case study every few weeks
Speaker 2: on my Sunday's program here in Operation GCD and Operation
Speaker 2: GCD Patreon, where I'm doing a case study on Ed Edwards, right,
Speaker 2: unpacking all of these things based upon the study of
Speaker 2: John Cameron and trying to move that forward. In fact,
Speaker 2: I'm in community with John Cameron, hopefully will come on
Speaker 2: the show, but he hasn't done an interview in seven years.
Speaker 2: And I think there's reasons why. I don't know those reasons.
Speaker 2: But so Ed gets busted. His daughter watches a true
Speaker 2: crime show, not a true crime show, I'm sorry, a
Speaker 2: local news report on a cold case murder and she says,
Speaker 2: oh shit, we lived in that town. I know that field.
Speaker 2: My father took me to that field. We left the
Speaker 2: next day, so she calls the police department tells him
Speaker 2: that so they this is Wisconsin. They travel a few
Speaker 2: hours south to Louisville, Kentucky. Asked Ed for his his
Speaker 2: DNA and he says no. So they come back later
Speaker 2: with a warrant and he gives us DNA. It turns
Speaker 2: out like the Zodiac writes in his letters that the
Speaker 2: Zodiac gets his rocks off strangling young woman. Well Ed
Speaker 2: got his rocks off strangling this young woman. There was
Speaker 2: no sexual penetration. That was never Ed's style. And he
Speaker 2: seems to have orgasmed threw his pants onto her jeans
Speaker 2: and they then save that for twenty nine years. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't for his daughter seeing that and then calling them.
Speaker 2: You know again, I got a lot of questions around
Speaker 2: these circumstances of Ed. But nonetheless, that is how he can.
Speaker 2: He came to get busted in the details of the
Speaker 2: guy in the Hood at Lake barri Essa, m those
Speaker 2: are so those are the details of Ed. But John
Speaker 2: Cameron argues in his book that Ed was simply trying
Speaker 2: to frame. Because Ed frame folks for all of his crimes, right,
Speaker 2: that was what he did. He planted evidence and you know,
Speaker 2: informed a police on her. He was a prolific informer
Speaker 2: to the FBI back to nineteen fifty one, you know,
Speaker 2: informing on anti comedies. We got some of those files.
Speaker 2: The FBI has restricted a lot on Ed for obvious
Speaker 2: reasons in my opinion, But we see him giving those details.
Speaker 2: But in the argument that he's trying to uh frame
Speaker 2: Frank Drymond. Frank Drymond was a naval cryptologist, Frank Drymonds
Speaker 2: from Vallejo, California. Frank Drymond's documented in that same Deer
Speaker 2: Lodge prison file is running around around Deer Lodge with
Speaker 2: the zodiac could with the circle and the cross on it.
Speaker 2: It's in the file. So if Ed was trying to
Speaker 2: frame a somebody like his Satanist competition from that same
Speaker 2: file right in that Dear Lodge prison back in the fifties,
Speaker 2: this is a very heinous place. This is the most
Speaker 2: dangerous prison in America. Right. This is after Alcatraz is
Speaker 2: getting shut down. Everyone's getting shipped out of Alcatraz. In fact,
Speaker 2: one of the Alcatraz guys comes there and he's the
Speaker 2: leader of the prison riot. They killed a warden. I
Speaker 2: think this is a stifferent story altogether. I think it
Speaker 2: was a target hit on the warden. And I think
Speaker 2: all these guys got themselves put in prison because the
Speaker 2: leader of this riot, adds Buddy, says that he intentionally
Speaker 2: got put in prison to that prison in Montana. He
Speaker 2: traveled there from like Atlanta. It's ridiculous, got on a
Speaker 2: bus to go to Montana to rob a store, to
Speaker 2: get put in this prison his own state, this guy's
Speaker 2: own statements. But nonetheless, this is a very dangerous place
Speaker 2: and drymen and Edward, you know, top dogs in this environment. Right.
Speaker 2: So this that Diamon dude. You said you never heard him.
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard of him either, man, And he's a
Speaker 2: very interesting character.
Speaker 3: Well, he ties into the spider web, just like all
Speaker 3: of them do. I mean, it's it's gotta be an
Speaker 3: did thing for sure.
Speaker 2: A very diabolical and murderous load there. Jenna, did you.
Speaker 3: See the comment about Ashton Kutcher.
Speaker 2: Don't forget Ashton Kutcher was killing people? Yeah, well here's
Speaker 2: the deal. Ashton Kutcher should have been the number one
Speaker 2: suspect in his ex girlfriend's murder, right, So what.
Speaker 3: Are your thoughts on that? Because I was I saw
Speaker 3: the comment pop up. And this is actually the second
Speaker 3: time in like a week somebody has mentioned this to
Speaker 3: me about him possibly being a murderer. Also, there's I
Speaker 3: guess a Mandela effect where I grew up saying this
Speaker 3: fucker's last name was Kutcher. Okay, Ashton Kutcher, But now
Speaker 3: I guess it's Couture as in coach, as in vagina
Speaker 3: have you how do you say it?
Speaker 2: I always thought it was Coucher, but I don't.
Speaker 3: Know really, I always said Ashton Kutcher. But anyways, is
Speaker 3: he a murderer or not?
Speaker 2: Well, it is interesting. So he was at the scene
Speaker 2: of the crime, his claims have looked into his girlfriend's
Speaker 2: home that he was picking up to go I think
Speaker 2: the Grammys or Emmy's or something, And you know they
Speaker 2: were both. She was a young actress, he was a
Speaker 2: young actor. He was already doing that seventies show. One
Speaker 2: of the women that was Danny Masterson's as girlfriends in
Speaker 2: this rape business that he got put in prison for.
Speaker 2: She was dating masters In at the time, and she
Speaker 2: had some interesting statements reguarding Kutcher's activity that night, calling
Speaker 2: Masterson for help. So his story doesn't seem to match
Speaker 2: up and he and then later they prosecute the alleged
Speaker 2: murderer of this of this young woman in her Hollywood
Speaker 2: Hills home, right, butchered right in Hollywood Hills home, bleeding
Speaker 2: on the floor when Kutcher allegedly looked in, he didn't
Speaker 2: see her, right do you have you know, blood to
Speaker 2: death on the floor right there in the foyer, right apparently,
Speaker 2: But he becomes a number one witness against this guy
Speaker 2: in the state's prosecution.
Speaker 3: It makes me think of, uh, you know, when Heath
Speaker 3: Ledger died, how like the first person they called was
Speaker 3: Mary Kate Olsen's bodyguard or some shit like that, Like,
Speaker 3: why was that call that was made?
Speaker 2: You and the sistern law to the then French president,
Speaker 2: the same French president that murdered Godolphie with Clinton and
Speaker 2: got busted for They put him in jail over there
Speaker 2: for that. That was that was in law no, no,
Speaker 2: for murdering Godolphie with Clinton. They put the French president
Speaker 2: jail for that. That French president was the brother in
Speaker 2: law of that Olsen girl, the Olsen twin. She was
Speaker 2: married to the brother of the French president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, So this false right in
Speaker 3: line with the rest of our cast of character for
Speaker 3: tonight showing up on TV.
Speaker 2: Thank you there, Jimmy Bobby is jim Bobby. I called
Speaker 2: you Jimmy Bobby, but Jimmy Bob one of those thank
Speaker 2: you sir.
Speaker 3: It's an it's a comment about the OJ bombshell. I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, this one's gonna be justice prolific.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm telling you, I get a lot of good
Speaker 2: feedback from that AJ stuff, So I definitely appreciate you
Speaker 2: bringing you suggesting that show and bringing that up here.
Speaker 3: Well. So, actually, if we want to get on the
Speaker 3: on the Bell b for train, what do you what
Speaker 3: do you know about him?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Should I tell you about his past or should I
Speaker 3: tell you about because I have I have several notes
Speaker 3: that I was going to bring up to you, But
Speaker 3: I mean, what what are your what do you know
Speaker 3: about him?
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into the Bell b for here in
Speaker 2: a minute. We'll do him before we do ed because
Speaker 2: that's going to be interesting talking about Chuck Bears as well.
Speaker 2: But i'd like to get your thoughts on this image
Speaker 2: I came across today on the interwebs and it seems
Speaker 2: to be interesting. So when we talk about the lackluster
Speaker 2: performance of all of these authority matters and whatnot, and
Speaker 2: they don't pay any attention to these killers and let
Speaker 2: them go and everything else like that. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: I like to I often joke here at Operation GCD
Speaker 2: that most of our you know, the government's budget, you know,
Speaker 2: from the government to Hollywood, a large portion of the
Speaker 2: budget line items go to cocaine and hookers. Right, That's
Speaker 2: what I like to joke about at least, And it
Speaker 2: seems to indicate that. And this, h this is your
Speaker 2: photograph right here, seems to encapsulate my point pretty well.
Speaker 2: This is a great This is a great representation of
Speaker 2: cocaine and hookers. We got jet, we got good old
Speaker 2: still alive, Jeff Epp, the Reverend, James Brown, and the don.
Speaker 3: My god, look at this.
Speaker 2: A lot of cocaine and hookers in this photo.
Speaker 3: What a trip.
Speaker 2: I've never seen James Brown. He's all coked out on
Speaker 2: an interview and like you know, news or whatever, and
Speaker 2: he's just he's just wigging out. You ever seen that?
Speaker 3: I never saw.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I gotta find that for you real quick.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Oh he's fantastic. Quite a character that James Brown.
Speaker 3: You think Donald Trump was wearing a hair piece even
Speaker 3: back then? Look at this guy.
Speaker 2: You know, this is I think this picture was around
Speaker 2: eighty I thought it was around eighty seven. But that
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me because I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I gotta still find a validity of this photo where
Speaker 2: it came from, because the age groups to some of
Speaker 2: these folks in the timeframe in which I, you know,
Speaker 2: I predicted this was at look based upon how these
Speaker 2: folks look. It doesn't make a lot of sense to
Speaker 2: me that he knows Epstein supposedly. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: got I don't know. I gotta look more into the photo.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if you look at Donald Trump
Speaker 2: in like nineteen eighty when he goes to Roy Cones
Speaker 2: birthday party that year, this is the year after he
Speaker 2: dresses like y you know.
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, is this around the same timeframe?
Speaker 2: This is? This is the this is a birthday party.
Speaker 2: Two years later, two years later, he's walking into this
Speaker 2: hotel and they get a picture of him. I'll see
Speaker 2: what I can find it. But his hair looks super
Speaker 2: super funky in that photo, like he's got a wig
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know these guys. What do you
Speaker 3: think about him not wanting to release the list now
Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's because of this shit, right.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, no idea. What the fuck's
Speaker 2: going on anymore? Really, I think all these people are
Speaker 2: just fucking scum bags. To be quite honest with you,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know why not right, Like I
Speaker 2: understand it, Like I like a lot of what he
Speaker 2: you know, obviously, I was to say who would be
Speaker 2: better Trump or any of these other opponents, Clinton and Biden,
Speaker 2: Obama whatever, Bush. Obviously Trump has been doing. I agree
Speaker 2: with more of his policies, you know, you know, more
Speaker 2: of America First kind of policies. But if that's just
Speaker 2: all a ruse, then he's just a bigger dick bager
Speaker 2: than the rest of them.
Speaker 3: I think it's all theater too, I mean, honestly, I do.
Speaker 3: I think it's all just actors playing roles every even Epstein.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, did he really, I mean, does
Speaker 3: he exist in the capacity that we think he does?
Speaker 3: Or is he like just a showman that they've pinned
Speaker 3: a bunch of this ship on.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really, that's a good and that's a good point.
Speaker 2: I think he's a maam. He's a cardboard cut out
Speaker 2: of a human being, right right.
Speaker 3: It's like, is it really what we interpreted to be,
Speaker 3: because especially when I see pictures like that, it's like,
Speaker 3: these are all just actors, this is all just a show.
Speaker 2: Well, Donald Trump is an actor. He's the number one
Speaker 2: reality TV in the world. That happened. So let's look
Speaker 2: at James Brown real quick when he's doing a lot
Speaker 2: of cocaine and going on TV about it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I don't love Why is it not playing?
Speaker 5: And we welcome you, James Brown? How did all of
Speaker 5: this trouble begin?
Speaker 2: Lit bit man, America? Is nothing wrong, nothing wrong at all.
Speaker 5: You're not in any difficulties, I'll think. But you're out
Speaker 5: on bond, no have all the charge has been dropped.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I love how you out on lover out of love?
Speaker 3: Which is it?
Speaker 2: I don't he's.
Speaker 3: Coked out huh, oh my god. And he's just cheesing
Speaker 3: it up too.
Speaker 2: It's the most it's the most disconnected interview in the world.
Speaker 2: Like there's it's three minutes of that. It doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. He never comes out with like a reasonable statement.
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, get on the scene with
Speaker 2: sex machine. You know, that's what the Addie Murphy bit was,
Speaker 2: you know on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, too hot for
Speaker 2: the hot tub.
Speaker 3: That's why I say that all of this is just
Speaker 3: like theater stuff. I mean, even even serial killers ending
Speaker 3: up on game shows. It's just all part of They're
Speaker 3: all you know. It's like, how does some prolific serial
Speaker 3: killer who has a violent arrest record you ain't getting
Speaker 3: up on one of the most popular TV shows for
Speaker 3: the decade.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because I would argue,
Speaker 2: mam in a more you know, strategic or meta sense
Speaker 2: or analysis, that we live in a horror show of
Speaker 2: a horror side show of smoking mirrors. Right. And on
Speaker 2: that note, well, you've gave a great introduction to my
Speaker 2: favorite game here on Operation GCD Fridays. Who is your
Speaker 2: daddy and what does he do?
Speaker 1: You tell me? Who is your daddy and what does
Speaker 1: he do?
Speaker 2: Who's that man's daddy running Pharaoh? Is it Woody Allen
Speaker 2: or is it Frank SINATRAO?
Speaker 3: Let me see it again?
Speaker 2: Oh, I got some pictures. I just want to play
Speaker 2: that bit. I like the the Arnold Schwarzenegger. Bit, So
Speaker 2: this is allegedly the father, right, the biological father, as
Speaker 2: we're told, the husband of Mia Pharaoh, right, the second
Speaker 2: husband of Mia Pharaoh, because their first husband when she
Speaker 2: was a Satanist and he was a Satanist at least
Speaker 2: back in the sixties, it seems during Rosemary's baby was
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra. Now he claims that he broke off with
Speaker 2: her over these Satanist kind of matters, but he's the
Speaker 2: whole rat pack surrounded by Satanists, right, so believe that. Right,
Speaker 2: So we're told this is his father, right. I think
Speaker 2: he's born around nineteen eighty two or three or something,
Speaker 2: so many years later. But Frank and Mia they had
Speaker 2: a you know, they had not they seem to have
Speaker 2: been still at least friends. And then what he's out
Speaker 2: there Mary leaving Mia Pharaoh and marrying the you know,
Speaker 2: I've gotten to so many disputes with these folks over
Speaker 2: the interwebs over these disgusting matters. Over the years, he's
Speaker 2: got quite a you know, following of folks. If you
Speaker 2: posted on twixter, you know, commenting that he had married
Speaker 2: as a da daughter and they're like, oh, he didn't
Speaker 2: technically adopt her. I'm like you said, Fox, She's he's
Speaker 2: sitting with her it as like a ten year old
Speaker 2: at a basketball game. And he's sitting there as like
Speaker 2: a fourty year old at a basketbla and the I
Speaker 2: don't care if they did the legal paper or not.
Speaker 2: He's living in the home with her as her father figure,
Speaker 2: with Mia Pharaoh, who is the legal mother of that child,
Speaker 2: and then he runs off and marries that lady. Say,
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of weird sexual stuff I think
Speaker 2: going there. But so that's supposedly his dad. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you look at them blue eyes, and I think this
Speaker 2: picture with old mister blue Eyes, Mia Pharaoh's first husband,
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra, I think is a better immate. So this
Speaker 2: picture comes from this article where folks will he wrote
Speaker 2: this article will tell you this is a preposterous conspiracy theory. Right,
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra did not secretly father Ronan Pharaoh, despite absurd speculation. Friend,
Speaker 2: it insists. So the picture they'll give you is this picture.
Speaker 2: And notice how they do a black and white or Frank,
Speaker 2: because if they show you old Frank and his Frankie
Speaker 2: blue eyes, You're gonna be like, holy shit, that's running
Speaker 2: Arrow's dad.
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, the guy, the guy looks just like him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I say we live in this manufactured
Speaker 2: reality of a horror side show of smoking mirrors, we're
Speaker 2: given Ronan Pharaoh as the leader of the Me too movement,
Speaker 2: the person they thought. He's the one running the charge
Speaker 2: in the media right investigating it, and the person they
Speaker 2: he's the one that uncovers the whole. Rose mc gowan
Speaker 2: scanned them with Weinstein and that was black ops. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the journalist behind all that. That's who was credited
Speaker 2: for right now. Rose McGowan of course, has her own
Speaker 2: issues with Satanism that the Children of God. She was
Speaker 2: part of the s So nonetheless, my point being there
Speaker 2: is we're told that man's father is Woody Allen. Get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here. This dude's like blue eyes,
Speaker 2: blonde hair. Woody Allen's like five foot four, Jewish man
Speaker 2: brown here. You know what I mean, No blue eyes,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. None of these things seem seems.
Speaker 3: Like nose too.
Speaker 2: My god, Right, yeah, let's watch that.
Speaker 1: You tell me who is your daddy and what does
Speaker 1: he do?
Speaker 2: They have the same nose. In my opinion, they have
Speaker 2: the same nose, the same smile, and the same the
Speaker 2: same eyes, even.
Speaker 3: The color the hairline too.
Speaker 2: Right, So we're giving this guy he's going to solve
Speaker 2: all the meat to you problems. It's Weinstein, it's rosemac gollan.
Speaker 2: That's the false narrative. It's laid out there, so folks
Speaker 2: believe everything was taken care of, right.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So we see that across the spectrum of all activities
Speaker 2: up and packing these kind of matters relative to that
Speaker 2: magic show around the Satanic panic and folks like Muppet,
Speaker 2: mikey Akino and Gang there and his U SIPs the
Speaker 2: mind worth he's running on folks, He's aren't the Satanist
Speaker 2: you're looking for, right, He's you know, he's a big
Speaker 2: Star Wars fan fiction guy. So he likes to say,
Speaker 2: these aren't the Satanists you're looking for. I thinks he's
Speaker 2: doing a Jedi mind trick. Well.
Speaker 3: And if you look at a picture of Mia Pharaoh,
Speaker 3: like a young picture of her, and then you put
Speaker 3: it with Frank Sinatra, that's their kid. I mean he
Speaker 3: looks like a fifty to fifty split of Frank Sinatra
Speaker 3: and young Mia Pharaoh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I know, Mia Pharaoh's got blue wise,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, like he's got so much more
Speaker 2: of Sinatra going to there, right.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, That's what I'm saying is like me has
Speaker 3: got like a real look about her too, really unique
Speaker 3: look about her too. But but that guy, that kid
Speaker 3: is definitely not fothered by a big nosed Jewish guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah right with brown eyes.
Speaker 2: No way, not happened. Not happening. You know, I knew
Speaker 2: some folks one time. They were a Jewish couple and
Speaker 2: not nothing gainst Jewish couples. I'm just saying, they had
Speaker 2: a ginger kid with freckles, and I said to them,
Speaker 2: where'd you guys get that one? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Jokingly right, and like, oh no, that's you know. I
Speaker 2: thought they were gonna say, oh, we adopt them or
Speaker 2: something like that. But I was just you know, being
Speaker 2: a jackass, smart ass about do you know friends instance people.
Speaker 2: But they got that, they got the joke. They like,
Speaker 2: that's our biological child. I'm like, come on, okay, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. If you want to play that game.
Speaker 3: Right, red headed step child, dude.
Speaker 2: How do you there's not a Jewish couple that's producing
Speaker 2: a freckled, redhead, blue eyed child. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, unless there was some ginger in the woodpile somewhere signing.
Speaker 2: I guess right, and that's a very dormant gen. I
Speaker 2: suppose me now, it's.
Speaker 3: Very dormant, very much. So yeah, I mean, look at
Speaker 3: this picture of MEA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not that's not a bad statement. They're snappy dog.
Speaker 2: But I guess what My point is, the blue eyes
Speaker 2: only come from one place my understanding, Iberia the islands
Speaker 2: in Nation of Iberia, Ireland.
Speaker 3: Mmmm right, yeah, I mean I don't know. I I
Speaker 3: honestly didn't know that this this kid had anything to
Speaker 3: do with the me Too movement. So I'm still reeling
Speaker 3: behind that.
Speaker 2: It's like, right, Dad, He's exactly right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's when I started getting to the pas folks on
Speaker 2: the interwebs. I was like, wait a second, we're going
Speaker 2: to listen to this dude. He's not talking about his
Speaker 2: own family. And then suddenly he's like, you know, him
Speaker 2: and his sibling, one of his siblings said that Mia
Speaker 2: Pharaoh raped him, and he came out and defended both
Speaker 2: his both woody and bea.
Speaker 3: So what So, Okay, is this guy an actor? Is
Speaker 3: he is he in the media besides that? Or is
Speaker 3: he just a journalist?
Speaker 2: I think he just does journalists uff. But you know
Speaker 2: he works for a major outlet. Let's look here. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you.
Speaker 3: Wonder what his what his presence is in the grander
Speaker 3: scheme of things.
Speaker 2: Let's look, I don't know enough about the man. I
Speaker 2: don't know enough about Frank Frank, the actual Frank Junior.
Speaker 2: He looks more like Frank than Frank Junior looks like Frank.
Speaker 3: Definitely. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: And strangely enough, you think we may be off topic
Speaker 2: on tonight's conversations. But did you know that the Frank
Speaker 2: Sinatra's personal writer was the first host of The Gong Show,
Speaker 2: which was Chuck Barris's show before the Dating Game.
Speaker 3: There, Oh stop it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, comedian John Barber. Folks of interwebs can check out.
Speaker 2: I've done a couple of interviews with John Barber. He's
Speaker 2: also the only man to put Jim Garrison on camera
Speaker 2: and let him tell his story and he got John
Speaker 2: fired twice. Wow, so we look at Oh, he's born
Speaker 2: in eighty seven, Okay, Satchel Ronan O'Sullivan Pharaoh. Oh well,
Speaker 2: there's the irishman in him, right m He is known
Speaker 2: for his investigative reporting on sexual abuse allegations against film
Speaker 2: producer Harvey Weinstein in the story with Rose McGowan. He
Speaker 2: got a Poltzer for it, So the magazine one the
Speaker 2: Poetzer for his reporting. He's worked for Unis Steff as
Speaker 2: a government advisor. Wasn't that fancy?
Speaker 3: Oh? Come on, there we go. That's that's the overarching thing,
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 3: A government advisor. That's all we need to know.
Speaker 2: So do you remember this lady? She's old school Hollywood.
Speaker 2: That's Mia Pharaoh's mom.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I've ever seen her.
Speaker 2: She was in the original Tarzan mmmmm. She was Jane.
Speaker 2: So it looks like he hasn't really done much. He's
Speaker 2: got a law degree from me l typical.
Speaker 3: Well, he's been set up to be taken care of
Speaker 3: for the rest of his life. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he did Rhodes scholarships. So there you go.
Speaker 2: We just answered all the questions. He's a Yale attorney,
Speaker 2: Rhodes scholar. I know a couple of them. Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: right mmm and his his boyfriend's stroped out. I think
Speaker 2: falls in that category.
Speaker 3: What was the connection again with the Gong Show?
Speaker 2: So, Frank Sinatra's personal writer when he was in the
Speaker 2: late sixties there, mid to late sixties for a few
Speaker 2: years was John Barber, and John Barber was the first
Speaker 2: host of The Gong Show. He knows Chuck Bears personally,
Speaker 2: and I even I asked him offline about these matters
Speaker 2: with Chuck Bearris, and he didn't give me a direct answer,
Speaker 2: but he definitely led, you know, left me with the
Speaker 2: perception that he seemed to think there was something to it.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I obviously think that there's something to it.
Speaker 3: Chuck Barris, did he ever host the Dating Game or
Speaker 3: was he just the mind behind it? He's the producer,
Speaker 3: he created it.
Speaker 2: I think he was such a nut job. He always
Speaker 2: put himself on camera after firing the host, right, like now,
Speaker 2: it wasn't that kind of his thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, because the episode in
Speaker 3: particular that Bell b for appeared on, Chuck Barris was
Speaker 3: not the host.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Let's look, I don't know. I think he did
Speaker 2: some dating game hosts though. So he was the creator
Speaker 2: of the dating game. The original producer of the Newlywed
Speaker 2: Game and then he created the Gong Show. So the
Speaker 2: Gong Show was after the Dating Games. That was seventy
Speaker 2: six to eighty. And then you familiar with this Palisades Park.
Speaker 2: He wrote a song about diddling young girls at a
Speaker 2: park in New Jersey back in nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a major hit. It's a major hit. Everyone
Speaker 2: loved it. Was up there with Chuck Berry, you know,
Speaker 2: the convicted kid diddler who in the nineties, the FBI
Speaker 2: raided his house and tabloids would run those photos and
Speaker 2: from the videos they sees where he's farting in Hooker's Mouse.
Speaker 2: You know that Chuck Berry. He you know, he took
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old across state lines for the purposes
Speaker 2: of sexual you know, trafficking, violating the Man Act. The
Speaker 2: record company got him out of prison after only a
Speaker 2: few years, and then he would go on to do
Speaker 2: national tours singing a song called My Dingling. So this
Speaker 2: guy kind of falls in that same category as Palisades Park.
Speaker 2: It's about what girls.
Speaker 3: The same exact category. And you know this movie that
Speaker 3: they're referencing right here I talked about when I discussed
Speaker 3: Belbiefer because my husband he was like, oh, you got
Speaker 3: to watch this movie. It's really good. It's called Confessions
Speaker 3: of a Dangerous Mind.
Speaker 2: And I was like, it wasn't bad, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was skeptical.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I don't know what's it about.
Speaker 3: And then he kind of explained it to me. And
Speaker 3: then I watched it and I was like, this has
Speaker 3: gotta be real. Like maybe they dramatized it or whatever,
Speaker 3: but the thought, but the but the story behind it,
Speaker 3: I think is real. Is the real shit that that
Speaker 3: Chuck Barris was under the employe of the CIA and
Speaker 3: was working as an assassin?
Speaker 2: I have no doubt. I have no doubt. I mean
Speaker 2: actors going back millennia, actors have been used for spycraft because,
Speaker 2: for example, in the Medieval Ages medieval times, right, and
Speaker 2: you know, they some of the only folks that could
Speaker 2: travel between towns were acting guilts. So that's one example.
Speaker 2: I also argue, who else can get to any room
Speaker 2: in the entire world besides Tom Cruise he plays he
Speaker 2: played Trust me, I think he's a complete creepster, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, but he plays a you know, he
Speaker 2: really knows how to play a tall guy who knows
Speaker 2: how to fight, and you know it's you know, make
Speaker 2: some great films doing it.
Speaker 3: So he knows how to play a tall guy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know what I'm talking about. He
Speaker 2: does too, doesn't he? And he produces this film. Right.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that George Clooney that did that film?
Speaker 3: Yes, he was the director. Yeah, he was the director.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was a Cohen Brothers I think.
Speaker 2: And and George Clooney's wife was Julian as One's attorney.
Speaker 3: My god, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But so this.
Speaker 2: Allegedly over the release of the Podesta emails, allegedly allegedly
Speaker 2: a legendly.
Speaker 3: But this.
Speaker 2: We can describe this a little bit for us. You
Speaker 2: mean to do this you me read some of this
Speaker 2: or do you have some details that as you as
Speaker 2: you perceived the narrative as depicted in the Confessions of
Speaker 2: a Danger's Mind, which was a book he wrote. I mean,
Speaker 2: he wrote that book that turned it into a movie, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can kind of sum it up
Speaker 3: for everyone. But my thing is like, even if you
Speaker 3: look at this, it says bears killed thirty three people.
Speaker 3: I mean, the numbers are weird. The whole story is weird,
Speaker 3: and to me it's just like kind of laughed off, like,
Speaker 3: oh ha haha, the creator of the dating game was
Speaker 3: a secret CIA assassin. How fantastical. But the truth is
Speaker 3: it's more common than not. It's like, as we were
Speaker 3: discussing at the beginning of this episode, how everything is
Speaker 3: kind of intertwined. The mia Pharoh's kid starting the me
Speaker 3: Too movement thing, or at least, you know, working with
Speaker 3: Rose McGowan and stuff. He's really integral to the movement.
Speaker 3: And then Epstein and James Brown and Trump hanging out,
Speaker 3: and it's like actors and ci A and serial killers
Speaker 3: and pedophiles and.
Speaker 2: Things, politicians and pophiles, the same things.
Speaker 3: It's just to me, jj it's like, you know how
Speaker 3: they always say it's just a big club. It is
Speaker 3: literally just a big club. To say that that Chuck
Speaker 3: Barris wasn't a CIA assassin, Why would he make that up?
Speaker 3: It's very specific.
Speaker 2: Well, not only that, we we diminished these things, right,
Speaker 2: we diminished these things as being preposterous outright. They make
Speaker 2: films and portray these things in that manner on purpose.
Speaker 2: It's no different than these sig ops to mine more
Speaker 2: aspects of shit coating every situation, and then that way,
Speaker 2: you know, everyone wants to just say, well, that's ridiculous,
Speaker 2: Chuck Bears, the TV producer, NT the GOM show guy, right,
Speaker 2: But then you start unpacking it more constructively. You're like, well,
Speaker 2: how does a guy like Rodney Alkala find his way
Speaker 2: on the Dating Game? Mm hmmm. One.
Speaker 3: And at the at the time that Bill b for
Speaker 3: on the Dating Game, ye, he had already been in
Speaker 3: jail like two or three times and gotten out on probation.
Speaker 3: He had already murdered I want to say, like sixty women.
Speaker 3: And it's like, damn, how does he get on a
Speaker 3: game show with this past?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: How do they keep getting out of jail? How does
Speaker 2: Frank Dryman get paroled from being a serial killer in
Speaker 2: the maximum security prison in Montana where he's known in
Speaker 2: his file is being a heinous dude inside, right, he's
Speaker 2: been you know, he's hanging out with corn Pop. He's
Speaker 2: you know, corn Pop's a bad dude. Yeah, Horn Joe
Speaker 2: Biden And that's the kind of character that this guy
Speaker 2: is very unscrupulous. Boar diadh, dude, you're good, You're out
Speaker 2: of here, You're good. Just like Nathaniel bar Jon and
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, dude, you're good. And then he tries
Speaker 2: to rape, murder, eat, and kill another kid a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks later, and they're like, yeah, you know what, dude,
Speaker 2: he didn't mean it. You're good probation, like really well.
Speaker 3: And so the first victim that they ever discovered from
Speaker 3: the Bell Beefer was like a I want to say,
Speaker 3: she was like eight years old. He picked her up
Speaker 3: on the side of the road as she was walking
Speaker 3: to school. He savagely raped her, beat her in the
Speaker 3: head with uh steel pipe, and the police, some civil servant,
Speaker 3: somebody thought it was odd that this little girl got
Speaker 3: into Bell Beefer's car and actually called the police, and
Speaker 3: the police showed up at his apartment, and that's how
Speaker 3: they ended up finding this little girl. She survived, if
Speaker 3: you can believe that, after being savagely raped at eight
Speaker 3: years old and being beaten in the head multiple times
Speaker 3: with the steel pipe, she survived. But somehow he was
Speaker 3: able to escape his apartment with the police officer inside
Speaker 3: the apartment, and he went on the run to New
Speaker 3: York for like ten years or something before he was
Speaker 3: ever apprehension. How do you how do you the police
Speaker 3: officers literally standing in your apartment with you, and somehow
Speaker 3: you're able to just skirt right out the front door.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild too. And he's got a massive porn collection.
Speaker 2: He's mrking Folks in New York, He's mrking Folks in Wyoming.
Speaker 2: This guy's very California. Yeah, in California. He's a convicted
Speaker 2: sex offender.
Speaker 3: Right, He's got a storage locker in Seattle filled with
Speaker 3: trophies of all of his dead people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when Ted Bondy makes claims of the mans
Speaker 2: and family interseacting with him up there too, I believe
Speaker 2: it because Charles Manson had a storage locker in Seattle.
Speaker 3: So not only does Bell Beefer have a storage locker
Speaker 3: in Seattle, Ted Bundy's running around in Seattle. Charles Manson
Speaker 3: has a storage shed in Seattle. What the fuck is
Speaker 3: going on in Seattle?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Here's one thing they don't tell us about Ed's friend,
Speaker 2: Chuck old Eddie Edwards there, Chuck was it his mother
Speaker 2: or his grandmother? Must have been his mother. She moved
Speaker 2: to Seattle when he was in Terminal Island prison, so
Speaker 2: he had connections up there too. Familial connections.
Speaker 3: And I mean it's like this guy.
Speaker 2: Bell Beefer, he ash to sleep on the job, right,
Speaker 2: taking some cash to sleep on the job though, right.
Speaker 3: Well yeah. And the weird thing too is like he
Speaker 3: had I think it is the second time he had
Speaker 3: been arrested for molesting a like a ten year old girl.
Speaker 2: This is right here.
Speaker 3: If I may, maybe he had Charles.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at Charles Manson's parole officer, he
Speaker 2: was LinkedIn with the CIA chaos folks. He's trying to adopt,
Speaker 2: he's trying to he takes foster care of a young
Speaker 2: child of Charles manson son. No shit, he's helping Charles
Speaker 2: get out of things, right. So I mean these parole officers,
Speaker 2: that is a good statement, and these people do play
Speaker 2: a role when they're getting compromised like that.
Speaker 3: I think even if it wasn't the same parole officer,
Speaker 3: a lot of parole officers are dirty and they work
Speaker 3: together and they fucking know about each other. Because his
Speaker 3: parole officer was a female and it was the second
Speaker 3: time he had been out on probation for rape, literally
Speaker 3: raping little girls, and she was like oddly loose about
Speaker 3: where he could travel to. Like we know, he's a
Speaker 3: second time and almost killed one little girl beater over
Speaker 3: the head with the pipe and did all this stuff right,
Speaker 3: and she he's like, I want to take a trip
Speaker 3: to New York. He's in California at the time, and
Speaker 3: he's like, I want to take a trip to New York?
Speaker 3: Is that okay? And even though he was a two
Speaker 3: time offender with all this stuff he had done and
Speaker 3: brutally raping and murdering little girls all up and down California,
Speaker 3: She's like, cool, that's totally fine. Then he goes assumes
Speaker 3: an alias called John Berger, and that's when he starts
Speaker 3: working at the kids camp and still murdering women in
Speaker 3: absolutely disgusting ways. I mean, he was compared to the
Speaker 3: Hillside stranglers because he would like kind of cat and mouse,
Speaker 3: you know, he would play with him a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about that with government Cheese, right, we
Speaker 2: talked about them government chees. How are they appropriating who
Speaker 2: killed who? When ms are very similar, the geographical area
Speaker 2: is very similar, in the time frames, very similar.
Speaker 3: So Bell Beefer got wrapped up in the Hillside Strangler
Speaker 3: investigation because his crimes were so similar to what are
Speaker 3: their names Lenyard and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: No, you're thinking of Charles Lake and Leonard Ing right now.
Speaker 2: That's not the Hillside Stranglers though, right.
Speaker 3: Kenneth Bianki whatever the other guy's name was, his cousin, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: those crimes were so similar to Bell Beefer that he
Speaker 3: got called in for questioning on Hillside Strangler murders.
Speaker 2: Also, that's the same time he's going on the Dating
Speaker 2: Game though, right, is the same time he's being considered
Speaker 2: for these murders, and he's already murked folks across the US,
Speaker 2: and then we see him go on the dating game, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: do you happen to.
Speaker 3: Have that clip of him on the Dating Game because
Speaker 3: I always you know, I.
Speaker 2: Will pull it up, man. But let's look at this.
Speaker 2: I want to as we talk about the propaganda around
Speaker 2: his narratives, I like to focus here on this comment.
Speaker 2: Why year old killers like Rodney Okayalis seek the spotlight
Speaker 2: on TV despite risk of getting caught. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's what this is about. I don't think that's what
Speaker 2: this is about at all. But they sell it as
Speaker 2: a narcissistic, egotistical thing. It's causing this, And I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's it.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's it. I don't, you know. I
Speaker 3: understand that they're trying to shine it in a light
Speaker 3: that psychopaths and narcissists will seek some type of like
Speaker 3: you know, attention in whatever way they can, and they
Speaker 3: like get off on being in the public eye and
Speaker 3: getting away within stuff. Like I get it, that's what
Speaker 3: they're trying to say. But this goes beyond that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not saying there's not an element of that,
Speaker 2: but it's not mutually exclusive. You're like many things in
Speaker 2: this world. It's not not mutually exclusive. You could have
Speaker 2: a little bit of both factory into these things, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to pull up that clip right now.
Speaker 2: I'm getting as the victim doing interviews saying she almost
Speaker 2: got killed when she was fourteen by the dating game killer.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the same lady from the TV show.
Speaker 2: I hope not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one from the TV show. Her name is
Speaker 3: Sheryl Bradshaw. They actually ended up making a movie about
Speaker 3: this on Netflix. It's called The Woman of the Hour
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I'm getting to and results with Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you put it to YouTube, oh there we go,
Speaker 3: there we go, and oh there you go. Before you
Speaker 3: play this, actually see that's the host at the time,
Speaker 3: this guy that's the host of the time. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: actually run to the restroom really quick while you play
Speaker 3: this clip. But I've heard people talk about attractive serial
Speaker 3: killers before, you know, sometimes they'll mention Ted Bundy, who
Speaker 3: was an attractive serial killer whatever, And I've never agreed.
Speaker 3: I've always thought, you know, it was odd that people
Speaker 3: refer to these guys as attractive. But in the case
Speaker 3: of Bell Beefer, he like this weird you know, tall, dark, handsome,
Speaker 3: you know, fair of faucet haircutted freak, and he is
Speaker 3: pretty suave and he's pretty smooth, and I do find
Speaker 3: him to be out of all the program killers, probably
Speaker 3: one of the most attractive ones. But the girl on
Speaker 3: this episode, Cheryl, she gets the date with him, and
Speaker 3: he's so fucking creepy that she refuses to go on
Speaker 3: the date. It's like, imagine seeing this guy, he's obviously handsome,
Speaker 3: he's smooth, he speaks well, and getting such a bad
Speaker 3: feeling that you refuse to go on the date with him.
Speaker 3: You know. I mean, it's that he's got to be
Speaker 3: exuding some kind of like super creep vibes for you
Speaker 3: to be like, nah, forget it. Even though I went
Speaker 3: on this game show and everything, I still don't want
Speaker 3: to go on the date with the guy. That's how
Speaker 3: creepy he was.
Speaker 2: I think that's an excellent point, which begs the question
Speaker 2: of how he got on there in the first place.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, But go ahead and play the clip
Speaker 3: and I'm going to run to the restroom really quick.
Speaker 3: I'll be right back. We're making whoopee. What's whoopye?
Speaker 2: Oh my apology is wrong? Dating game? Oh well, if
Speaker 2: we who got his start when his father found him
Speaker 2: in the dark room at the age of thirteen.
Speaker 7: Fully developed between tapes, he might find him skydiving or motorcycling.
Speaker 2: Please welcome Rodnye alcohol alcohol with that, Jim Morrison hairstyle,
Speaker 2: he's got next to welcome to this very stage to
Speaker 2: confirm that who believe he's in life, living happiness of pursuit.
Speaker 2: He is an actor, a stork buff. I think it
Speaker 2: is important to the logistics behind these matters. The producers,
Speaker 2: the booking agents or what have you that are involved
Speaker 2: in getting these folks on there. How this dude didn't
Speaker 2: creep other folks out of you so creepy to the
Speaker 2: folks that the lady that he wins the show against, right,
Speaker 2: it's a blind test. She can't see him, but she
Speaker 2: can hear him in these things. And you know he's
Speaker 2: not quite as smooth as old Eddie Edwards. I don't
Speaker 2: think old Radney al Kala here, but he does win
Speaker 2: this program. Let's fast forward towards the end and let's
Speaker 2: listen to what he has to say about it. Why
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 4: Sailing to make up your mind?
Speaker 8: So relax and maybe about they wan't tear it on
Speaker 8: something side.
Speaker 3: I won't even ask any more questions about that.
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you something about the other bachelors.
Speaker 3: You didn't choose number two.
Speaker 2: We did a fine acting job as a virgin maiden.
Speaker 2: He is an actor, a skin diver from New York City.
Speaker 4: Say hi to Jeed Mills, jet come on this show.
Speaker 6: There they go.
Speaker 2: Let's find Rodney. Where's Rodney?
Speaker 6: He got a lot of nerve.
Speaker 2: He's in the motorcycling. He's also fine photographer.
Speaker 3: The Rodney Alcala.
Speaker 2: Rodney round of applause for Rodney alcohol. I've never really well,
Speaker 2: I's paid attention. That's how they pronounced his name. Here.
Speaker 2: It looks like he may be involved in some sort
Speaker 2: of racket. So we're going to have you take to
Speaker 2: the course. First, you'll receive tennis lessons from expert Naomi
Speaker 2: Base seven. So that date never happens, folks. He creeps
Speaker 2: that lady out, and then she's probably rightfully concludes that
Speaker 2: she could have gotten murdered as she's doing interviews today,
Speaker 2: it seems. But it is interesting they introduced him as
Speaker 2: a photographer, right, so he had thousands of child pornography
Speaker 2: images right upon his arrest, convicted for such matters and
Speaker 2: has passed there. This seems to be an ongoing trend.
Speaker 2: Welcome back man.
Speaker 3: He he lured a lot of women in as victims
Speaker 3: with this photography racket thing. He'd say, oh, I want
Speaker 3: to take pictures of you whatever. But there is a
Speaker 3: couple snippets they're hard to find in the clip, but
Speaker 3: I'll just surmise where she asks a question and she's like,
Speaker 3: if you were a food and I was serving you,
Speaker 3: what would you be? And he would be like, uh oh,
Speaker 3: she says, what would what is your name, and how
Speaker 3: do you taste? And he's like, I'm a banana peel
Speaker 3: me and like he's so smooth, and he's like flirting
Speaker 3: her up, and she obviously picks him. And then she's like,
Speaker 3: what's your favorite time of day? And he's like nighttime
Speaker 3: because that's when all the real action happens. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's literally like smooth talking. He's like, you know, obviously
Speaker 3: she picked him for a reason because out of all
Speaker 3: three of them, he gave like the most witty answers
Speaker 3: or whatever. She meets him, like I said, he's got
Speaker 3: like this weird fair of faucet as you said, kind
Speaker 3: of a knockoff Jim Morrison vibe, tall dark Hanson thing
Speaker 3: going on, and he's so creepy. She's like, fuck no,
Speaker 3: I will not go on a date with this guy.
Speaker 2: Is this real life?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 2: I did not know that? That's that's that's interesting information,
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, the J. S
Speaker 2: Bring International is a major hair salon still today, and
Speaker 2: the man who took it over in the wake of
Speaker 2: Sea Brings Murder was the fifth cousin Markham of John Markham,
Speaker 2: the second the processed church lay member according to ad
Speaker 2: Sanders Files and their attorney.
Speaker 3: So is this comment somebody said, j See Brings protege
Speaker 3: did Belle.
Speaker 2: Beefers Bell Beefers?
Speaker 3: What come on?
Speaker 2: Just a guess? So no, that's the good guess. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look into the I am gonna look into that
Speaker 2: because this guy is the major Hollywood Well this he
Speaker 2: took over j. S. Brings enterprise. Yeah, I mean this
Speaker 2: was a Jay Sebring was the hair salon to the stars.
Speaker 2: That a good point. Elvis Presley, his personal spiritual guide
Speaker 2: was Jase Brings business partner. He resigned from that business,
Speaker 2: the drug dealing hair saloon business, and became Elvis Presley's
Speaker 2: personal spiritual guide. So there's a lot of weird stuff
Speaker 2: that goes on around these matters.
Speaker 3: Well, and back to the photography thing too. He went
Speaker 3: by the alias John Berger. He told people that he
Speaker 3: was a photographer. He lured a lot of women back
Speaker 3: to his place saying that he was a photographer. And
Speaker 3: when they finally busted him and got all that stuff
Speaker 3: out of his storage locker. A lot like Randy Kraft
Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Dahmer, Belle Beefer's thing was like he liked
Speaker 3: to take pictures of his dead bodies. And it wasn't
Speaker 3: just women that he was after. He didn't really discriminate.
Speaker 3: He had murdered young boys, men, women, little girls. He
Speaker 3: did not discriminate whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was pretty wild dude, right, He didn't really
Speaker 2: have all across the whole spectrum of ACTIP, kind of
Speaker 2: like Richard Ramirez, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was. He was across the spectrum.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: He would just murder whoever he could get his hands on.
Speaker 3: And there was he he was in the military. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you came across this in your research,
Speaker 3: but he joined the army when he was seventeen, and
Speaker 3: they said that he had antisocial personality disorder and that
Speaker 3: he was potentially a psychopath, and that he had an
Speaker 3: IQ of one thirty five. So he was a highly
Speaker 3: functioning narcissistic psychopath with like dissociative personality disorder. And for me,
Speaker 3: I find that to be highly significant because I feel
Speaker 3: like they look for those kind of people.
Speaker 2: That's precisely my same conclusion, ma'am. So ed Edwards gets
Speaker 2: diagnosed as a sado masochistic psychopath with his rage and
Speaker 2: terror rooted in the early onset of his life. He
Speaker 2: was made in a one night stand in the backseat
Speaker 2: of a car lover's lane. So that's what seemed he's indicated,
Speaker 2: is that's what sets off his rage is uncontrollable, psychopathic,
Speaker 2: sado masochistic, sided at the age of thirteen with an
Speaker 2: IQ of one thirty two. That's mensa level. That's mensa
Speaker 2: level at the age of thirteen.
Speaker 3: That's what they look for, though, they look for that shit.
Speaker 3: And after his time.
Speaker 2: That's about jay C. Bring, That's about Jay C. Bring.
Speaker 2: Shampoo was based on j C. Bring the movie Shampoo.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with that?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Check this out? Go ahead, man, I didn't mean
Speaker 2: interrupt you. I just got excited about it.
Speaker 3: Oh No, I was gonna just say. After his time
Speaker 3: in the army, he went to uh New York University
Speaker 3: and he studied film under Roman Police.
Speaker 2: Well you beat me too. And so he's hitting a
Speaker 2: lot of the high marks, right, the army, the psychopath,
Speaker 2: the genius, right, the satanism. Right, He's doing a lot
Speaker 2: of these high marks. Right. He's traveling everywhere, he's escaping places,
Speaker 2: he's gotten multiple names, right, So that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like what makes him any different than Eddie there and
Speaker 2: what makes him not also being part of the same
Speaker 2: kind of you know, operation kind of chaos programs, Bill
Speaker 2: Colby's queers, right, as Dave McGowan puts in his uh,
Speaker 2: his program to kill uh. These serial killers, the satan
Speaker 2: and serial killers specifically, are the Phoenix program Come Home.
Speaker 2: That's Michael Aquino's program, weaponized folklore and culture and doing
Speaker 2: so in a psychopathic, murderous way to shape UH in
Speaker 2: social engineer folks and tyrannical and pastorinical lulls. And that's
Speaker 2: all we see around these folks. And I think that's
Speaker 2: Dave McGown was right. We see the rest of Colby's
Speaker 2: products Operation Gladio, right, that's Colby program, Air America, that's
Speaker 2: Colby program, the drug trafficking and the serial killing of
Speaker 2: Phoenix program. Michael Wakina reported directly to Bill Colby in
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Program at Vietnam by his own admittance. So
Speaker 2: we see the same pattern behavior around this guy. And
Speaker 2: then we see him, you know, doing the TV shows
Speaker 2: like Dad, And that's what I'm saying. We can see
Speaker 2: all the same the salient characteristics of these uh you know,
Speaker 2: scumbags here. We're talking here, and we see the same
Speaker 2: thing going on here with old Beef Reino. What do
Speaker 2: we call them again, Belle Beefer Bell Beefer's mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it's the exact same. That's that's why, that's
Speaker 3: why you know, some of these guys aren't mentioned specifically
Speaker 3: in the book Program to Kill, but if you look
Speaker 3: for the connections, you can and will find them. And
Speaker 3: it's funny because it's always these guys that it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're kind of obscure. I've never really heard about them.
Speaker 3: They have all the same shit going on, like Herb Baumeister.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, that's another right, this guy.
Speaker 3: Has all the same characteristics as a program serial killer.
Speaker 2: So this is if I may real quick, I know
Speaker 2: you're you're spot on, and no one giving a shit
Speaker 2: about his activities, right, and folks go into his farm
Speaker 2: and there's not bodies here. We're just going to turn
Speaker 2: around and go home. So this is about on the
Speaker 2: eve of the nineteen sixty eight United States presidential election,
Speaker 2: successful Beverly Hills hairdresser George Roundee. Right, So that's played
Speaker 2: by Warren Batty. Right, Warren Batty has his career thanks
Speaker 2: to Cocaine Bob Evans. This film is written by Robert
Speaker 2: Town that's Cocaine Bob Evans, writer for all the films
Speaker 2: he was doing. So we see all this Cocaine Bob stuff.
Speaker 2: And again we see this character is based on Jay Sebring.
Speaker 3: Nuts.
Speaker 2: How weird is that?
Speaker 3: Wow? In the grand scheme of things, if you know what,
Speaker 3: we know, it's not weird, but to the unsuspecting it is.
Speaker 2: Well, we see all the nineteen sixty eight presidential election
Speaker 2: stuff around those same characters, Polanski and Tate. We're eating
Speaker 2: dinner with all. There's rat pack Satani's the JFK's brother
Speaker 2: in law's home, the rat packer himself there, the British
Speaker 2: felt I can't think of his name right now. I
Speaker 2: believe it was either his home or Frankenheimer there in Malibub,
Speaker 2: one of the two's right. Anyhow, you know Sinatra was
Speaker 2: there all the all the rat pack Satan's for there.
Speaker 2: You know, Sammy Davis, Tate and Polanski, you know, the
Speaker 2: process were there, right. We saw them around the murder
Speaker 2: of RFK two in the sixty eight situation, and again
Speaker 2: we see them all around the sixty nine situation. Where there.
Speaker 2: Sanders was told, as investigator Larry Larson in the portions
Speaker 2: of the Book of the Family that were removed here
Speaker 2: in America but published in the United Kingdom, that Sharon
Speaker 2: Tate had to die over matters of national security. She
Speaker 2: ever heard something about Sirhan Sirhan because old double Surhan,
Speaker 2: according to a I and S report, was attending sex
Speaker 2: magic rituals at the Tate Polanski home and around, I
Speaker 2: believe in May of nineteen sixty eight, hosted by a
Speaker 2: quote unquote English satanic cult. Well that's the process.
Speaker 3: Well see think of it in the spectrum of things. Uh,
Speaker 3: Randy Craft government cheese Killer campaigned for Robert Kennedy and
Speaker 3: got paid personal letter of thanks from him.
Speaker 2: Yup. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then Bell Beefer goes on to study film under
Speaker 3: Roman Polanski. So we got.
Speaker 2: Despite them claims that they don't know each other, right,
Speaker 2: these people all know each other, ma'am. Is that what
Speaker 2: you're saying?
Speaker 3: They have to I mean, think about it. And it's
Speaker 3: like we were just saying with Chuck Barris saying, I'm
Speaker 3: a CIA assassin. Don't look over here, folks.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I had uh one of the
Speaker 3: most prolific serial killers of all time as a guest
Speaker 3: appearance on my show Both c I A for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, when you really think of it,
Speaker 3: is it a coincidence or isn't it that he would
Speaker 3: have ended up on the show.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it seems what we're what we're identifying
Speaker 2: I think as the sailing characteristics of a much larger
Speaker 2: program and the machinations of organization in that program. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to actually talk to you about
Speaker 3: one of the victims.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I want to if I may point out
Speaker 2: some things I thought you've already brought up that I
Speaker 2: just want to provide some commentary on. So he is
Speaker 2: from San Antonio, Texas, right, so this was a hotbed
Speaker 2: of the Nazis that came over. I saw a question
Speaker 2: about Leno la Bianca. Why was he marked? Well, Leno
Speaker 2: la Bianca appears to have been the East six Military
Speaker 2: Police sergeant and that was a guarding camp overcast in
Speaker 2: southern Bavaria from July of nineteen forty five to may
Speaker 2: or March of nineteen forty six.
Speaker 3: And he also had two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: worth of gambling debt.
Speaker 2: Well, this is how I think those things intersect, because
Speaker 2: he's already part of the network. He's already associated with
Speaker 2: those folks, so he's already all nazified up in that program.
Speaker 2: I think of Project paper Clip because Camp Overcast, Project
Speaker 2: paper Clips started his Operation Overcast and it was later
Speaker 2: named Project paper Clip. But the reason why this camp
Speaker 2: was Camp Overcast, this was the first round of Nazis.
Speaker 2: They were drafted. This was Warner von Braun, This was
Speaker 2: Walter Dornberger, this was uh shit, you done? I done?
Speaker 2: Forgot my Nazis. The guy that invented Air Force Medicine. No,
Speaker 2: he's a good one, but he's no. No, HU purchased Strughold.
Speaker 2: He invented Air Force medicine, which is a lot of
Speaker 2: Nazis shit, and did a lot of human testing on
Speaker 2: various elevations and altitudes and activities. And again Nazis ship.
Speaker 2: But that's headquartered out of San Antonio at Randolph Air
Speaker 2: Force Base in Brooks Air Force based Air Force Medical Command.
Speaker 2: So when I see this dude coming up doing, you know,
Speaker 2: out of those areas with some military backgrounds as well,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you know, maybe he had some
Speaker 2: some early onset of nazishit in his back round too,
Speaker 2: that got him started on this path.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, Yeah, all right, because look at the timeframe, right,
Speaker 3: he was born and.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He was there years later before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's what I'm saying though, is like,
Speaker 3: it's just the timing of a lot of these guys
Speaker 3: ending up being, you know, part of the in my opinion,
Speaker 3: the same program that Charles Manson was a part of.
Speaker 3: They're they're all they all congregate around the same time frame,
Speaker 3: this first run of serial killing.
Speaker 2: Right, And he's got Fort Brad connections, right, so does Eddie.
Speaker 2: So does Eddie. Eddie was pimping out one of his
Speaker 2: girls on the run in the early fifties. He was
Speaker 2: on the run being a wall from the Marines where
Speaker 2: he faked his birth certificate to get in there because
Speaker 2: he was only seventeen. But he uh and they found
Speaker 2: out and you know, he may well instead of getting charged.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, this is how he got in prison the
Speaker 2: first time. But he's pimp in his own book, he's
Speaker 2: a witting to pimping out ladies. And I think it's
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty fifty five or fifty five in Fort Bragg
Speaker 2: under the name doctor James Garfield Langley. He operates. So
Speaker 2: John Cameron did a great service to the folks. He
Speaker 2: also got fired I think as a result of this.
Speaker 2: He pulled at Edwards NCIC record. It's on his website.
Speaker 2: John Cameron's from the database, right, you know he was.
Speaker 2: He had access to it from the prison system where
Speaker 2: he was working as the investigator for the parle board,
Speaker 2: but the FBI did not like him accessing EDS and
Speaker 2: CIC file. We see an EDS in CIC file. Though.
Speaker 2: He had other aliases that he got arrested under over
Speaker 2: the years, one of which was a very unique name
Speaker 2: called Eugene Starr and the only person I can find
Speaker 2: the Eugene Star was an army Fella station at Fort Bragg.
Speaker 2: At the same time Ed's pimping out ladies, was it.
Speaker 2: What year was that, nineteen fifty five, early fifty six,
Speaker 2: right around.
Speaker 3: The same time that well, b for like nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 3: That's not too far off.
Speaker 2: No, it's not far off at all. Man Ed gets
Speaker 2: arrested in January of nineteen sixty two, so from November
Speaker 2: of nineteen sixty so he's doing that before he went
Speaker 2: to prison of Montana. He's pimping out ladies in Fort Bragg.
Speaker 2: But he this is again, this isn't his own book.
Speaker 2: Because we ask how all these people get onto things,
Speaker 2: I can tell you how Ed got on a lot
Speaker 2: of things. He created his own publishing company as a
Speaker 2: front company called Heart Publishing, published a book claiming to
Speaker 2: be a metamorphosized serial killer. I'm sorry, criminal, metamorphosized criminal. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: he's just marking folks the entire time. He's traveling America
Speaker 2: on over one thousand radio and TV net stations in
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies and allegedly just marking folks the entire time.
Speaker 3: Fucking wild.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is a close proximity though, because he
Speaker 2: does have activities in this area. He gets arrested in
Speaker 2: January of sixty two, is the number one most wanted
Speaker 2: man in America from the Federal Bureau of on Investigations
Speaker 2: list in Atlanta, Georgia. So again, he's very prolefic. He
Speaker 2: went to Mexico before that too, So when Rodney was
Speaker 2: living in Mexico, as in Mexico.
Speaker 3: Well you know who else is in Mexico around that time.
Speaker 3: Patrick Kearney who was mistaken as the Government Cheese killer
Speaker 3: because their crimes were so similar. In Patrick Kearney studied
Speaker 3: h something with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 2: He yeah, there was. They were at the they were
Speaker 2: at the Monterey Naval Station Language Academy up there, Monterey.
Speaker 3: California, the language academy. That's right. So so Patrick Kearney,
Speaker 3: serial killer, prolific serial killer, was in Mexico studying something
Speaker 3: about language with Lee Harvey Oswald. And then we had Oh.
Speaker 2: I might be getting those mixed up. Was he the
Speaker 2: guy that was also seen at the Mexican embassy claiming
Speaker 2: to be in Oswald? Was that the same one? Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm getting guys mixed up.
Speaker 3: No, No, that Patrick Kearney was was a pedophile serial
Speaker 3: killer who was murdering in and around the same area
Speaker 3: and timeframe as Government Cheese. They they almost tell the
Speaker 3: two apart. But the but the thing is Government Cheese
Speaker 3: was in the Air Force. Patrick Kearney was in the
Speaker 3: Air Force. Belle Beefirst in the Army, a right ed.
Speaker 2: Be b for Government Cheese. Combo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at this, Look at this this Patrick Kearney.
Speaker 3: If you scroll down just a little bit, you'll see
Speaker 3: the mention of Lee harveyot stop stop stop, let me see. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he attended military language school with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 3: He went. He went on to claim that he drove
Speaker 3: Oswald to the Mexican border and almost went to Mexico
Speaker 3: City with him, and that's in nineteen fifty eight. I'll
Speaker 3: call his father's name. Last name is Becure and that's French.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I'll have to look into that further.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that there, Tony. So you're bringing up some
Speaker 2: good points. I like where your head's at. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that that's that same language school that we're talking about
Speaker 2: here in Montere it's a Monerate now Mexico. Man, it's
Speaker 2: the Monterey Bay, California. To point that out there where
Speaker 2: May Brussel was doing her radio show out of and
Speaker 2: lived for many years. So May Brussel talks about somebody
Speaker 2: else who knew Charles Manson at that same language school
Speaker 2: and must have known likely known Patrick Kearney. This guy
Speaker 2: was a naval guy, intelligence ow and I guy. He
Speaker 2: infiltrated the hippie movement, much like Sharon Tate's father would
Speaker 2: later do. And a couple of years after this incident.
Speaker 2: This was I think sixty eight, so May May meets
Speaker 2: him because she would pick up a bunch of hippies
Speaker 2: hitchhiking in the area after Summer of Love. She was always,
Speaker 2: you know, she's a you know, a mother with you know,
Speaker 2: four children in a van. She's just picking up pitch
Speaker 2: hikers of the hippies, you know. And she picked up
Speaker 2: this dude, and she would later she lived in Monterey,
Speaker 2: she would later see him leaving the base there as
Speaker 2: a naval officer. She says. She talks about this in
Speaker 2: her radio program in the seventies early seventies. Should we
Speaker 2: see another confluence of weird events right around that that
Speaker 2: Monteree language school there? Right?
Speaker 3: So odd? No, it's not odd. I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense if you get on board with
Speaker 3: what you and I know about this covin.
Speaker 2: If you will, you ain't kidding. And it is that
Speaker 2: we are talking the same guy with Patrick Kearny. So
Speaker 2: he is the guy who claims to have also driven
Speaker 2: Oswald down to Mexico City, right, even though Oswald never
Speaker 2: went to Mexico City. This was the double Oswald situation,
Speaker 2: but he plays into that narrative, right, they're right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I mean it's like I was saying before, look
Speaker 3: at who these guys end up hanging out with. What
Speaker 3: what's that say? Add for JJ and Julius Newburger place
Speaker 3: the government government cheese, Yeah, bell B for government cheese.
Speaker 2: I'll I want to point this thing out about Patrick
Speaker 2: Kearny that I really thought was a fun fact. He
Speaker 2: returned to California and became an engineer at he was.
Speaker 3: Aircraft and William Bonnan, who was also mistaken to be
Speaker 3: government cheese, was a air force and killing.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that the same fellow that also worked for the
Speaker 2: RFK nineteen sixty eight presidential campaign in Los Angeles? That
Speaker 2: was Randy No, there's two of them, And there's no
Speaker 2: way government cheese.
Speaker 3: That was William and government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's no way these folks don't know Tate Polanski, right,
Speaker 2: they weren't on the same presidential campaign right in the
Speaker 2: same country.
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So Patrick Kearney, William Bonn, and Randy Kraft
Speaker 3: they're all. They're all. It's like I said before, JJ,
Speaker 3: It's it's like they meet up at some kind of
Speaker 3: serial killer convention and they compare nos and ship and
Speaker 3: they like, they know, they know each other. They have
Speaker 3: to know each other.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, you're making I like your heads at ma'am.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking the same thing and trying to do
Speaker 2: this case study on it. I'm packing a lot of
Speaker 2: the similarities amongst all these killings, not only looking at
Speaker 2: the victims and doing more of the victimology, right, and
Speaker 2: this kind of how these victims got there and maybe
Speaker 2: they were born into it. It seems, you know, when
Speaker 2: you're saying that this dude might be from some weird
Speaker 2: French line, I'm into that because a lot of these
Speaker 2: folks are in these weird bloodlines that are find themselves there.
Speaker 2: It's not just Abigail Folger's saranted, it's it's a Markham,
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a fellow Brian now from Zodiac. Right.
Speaker 3: I was actually gonna there's there's one victim here that
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about. Actually there's two
Speaker 3: victims I want to talk to you about. But the
Speaker 3: first one lines up with what you're saying. Uh, he
Speaker 3: murdered a girl, Bell Beefer murdered a girl. Her name.
Speaker 3: Let's see here the.
Speaker 2: Victoris if you'd like, And he won second place.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think her name was something Hoover, Oh Hoover.
Speaker 2: Or however Hoover or how Horvard disappears after al Cala's
Speaker 2: second release in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3: Yes, look at this, It says Ellen Jane Hover, twenty
Speaker 3: three year old daughter of nightclub owner and the granddaughter
Speaker 3: where O lost it? Oh, and the goddaughter of Dean
Speaker 3: Martin and Sammy Davis Junior. So he ends up murdering
Speaker 3: the goddaughter of Dean Martin and Sammy Davis junior. And
Speaker 3: he takes he takes her body. Look where he takes it.
Speaker 3: Look where he takes it?
Speaker 2: JJ I know the JD.
Speaker 3: On the JD. Rockefeller Estate. Have you seen the JD.
Speaker 3: Rockefeller Estate. The motherfucker is fenced off. The motherfucker is
Speaker 3: elusive as fuck to get to how how does he
Speaker 3: and why does he have access to be burying anybody's
Speaker 3: fucked up dead corpse on the J. D. Rockefeller Estate,
Speaker 3: The god daughter of Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Junior.
Speaker 3: First off, how does he even get to her? How
Speaker 3: does he even know where? Gets her? Murders her and
Speaker 3: then buries her on the Rockefeller estate.
Speaker 2: Come to Westchester County, Westchester County, New York. Man, it's
Speaker 2: a real den of inequity.
Speaker 3: But think about that.
Speaker 2: Do you know who else lives on the Rockefeller State
Speaker 2: the property that may not be within the fenced area,
Speaker 2: but it's just outside of it in chap Equittick and
Speaker 2: property at least used to be owned by the Rockefeller State.
Speaker 2: The Clintons bill, the famously take I know, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, being an Air Force MP for many years,
Speaker 2: a lot of the secrets, we do a lot of
Speaker 2: details with Secret Service. We augment their activities. I've done
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, a lot of presidential details
Speaker 2: from varying capacities sniper to crowd control, et cetera. And
Speaker 2: you know, so I've been a lot of these folks,
Speaker 2: and I've been told that old Bell's like, well, he
Speaker 2: likes to do his job daily, jogs to the Rockefeller State.
Speaker 3: They got bodies buried all over the place. Apparently fucking
Speaker 3: Bell Beefer's over there burying his Why not the Clintons.
Speaker 3: Somebody put in the comments section here the Sandman comic
Speaker 3: and TV series, there's a convention of serial killers.
Speaker 2: That is ship is he from a famous Texas Ranger
Speaker 2: political family of Texas. Oh man, I appreciate that, Tony.
Speaker 2: I'm gonn look into that where I missed that completely.
Speaker 2: This is Bell Beefer chat is.
Speaker 3: Off the chain tonight. Two comments in a row? What
Speaker 3: was that second?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you were saying something, know you were good.
Speaker 3: I was just saying, somebody put the comments about the
Speaker 3: serial killer convention in the Sandman TV series. I talk
Speaker 3: about that sometimes too. But what was that second one?
Speaker 3: Did he come from a famous Texas range?
Speaker 2: Dah that that Mexican French name there the book Horse,
Speaker 2: it's his mother's family. I think we'll go back and look.
Speaker 2: But that's apparently that's an old school Texas family. Now,
Speaker 2: I at least to live in San Antonio for three years,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, I spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: around Texas folk as well. They have this weird thing
Speaker 2: that I don't understand that they do. They're all getting
Speaker 2: arguments of barbecues and whatnot. You know, these these older
Speaker 2: families have been there a long time. They getting arguments
Speaker 2: of whose family has been there longer.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 2: It's really bizarre. But you know a lot of times
Speaker 2: these Mexican families win because they were there a little
Speaker 2: bit longer, you know what I mean? Family being a
Speaker 2: Texas Ranger. That's interesting. I did not know that. That's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Well, Bell Beefer's dad took off when he was like
Speaker 3: four years old or some ship like that split, He
Speaker 3: split and left the mom.
Speaker 2: And then so is that where he's getting the burger?
Speaker 2: Where was that his mom's family's boukar? Where are we
Speaker 2: get in the book warp, I've not.
Speaker 3: Forgotten Right here it says.
Speaker 2: That's his dad's name.
Speaker 3: Then huh, that's his dad's name. The John Burger thing
Speaker 3: is just some ship he made up.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought maybe his dad's name was Alkala. I
Speaker 2: guess I missed that altogether.
Speaker 3: His mom's name Anna Maria Gutierrez.
Speaker 2: But how did he become how did he become an
Speaker 2: al Calla?
Speaker 3: Right there? The middle name his dad's middle name.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see now, Oh, well they do those weird
Speaker 2: things in Mexico. Right, Oh? Do I take that off?
Speaker 3: The two last names thing?
Speaker 2: Well, they do the hyphen thing and they take the mother.
Speaker 2: I thought, maybe I'm confused. I thought they took the
Speaker 2: mother's name, right, Isn't that that's not part of the deal.
Speaker 3: I thought it was like a hyphenated between both of them,
Speaker 3: like part of the dads and part of the moms.
Speaker 3: But I could be totally fucking wrong about that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, stand by, please, man, Let's look
Speaker 2: here again, book Horse. I was trying to look up
Speaker 2: that bookcourg name right here?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, see, he says, I'll call his father, Movejudierra.
Speaker 3: Is he to Mexico? Then abandoned them.
Speaker 2: I'm cutting out again. I apologize. So you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? That wouldn't you be like a Gutierrez hyphen Buchoor.
Speaker 3: The name is strange because if it does come from
Speaker 3: like an old Mexican family or old French family, something
Speaker 3: like that, that would be significant.
Speaker 2: Now I totally agree with you, especially if this family
Speaker 2: is deeply rooted in the San Antonio politics in the
Speaker 2: Texas Rangers. Right mm hmm. Okayyu's mother's last name right, Oh,
Speaker 2: there we go. So he takes the mother's last name.
Speaker 2: So then why would now cal Tech his mother's last name?
Speaker 3: Maybe because he needs to have the.
Speaker 2: Right He's doing some boukhor stuff maybe, and that's where
Speaker 2: the burgh comes from, right, He's focused on that boukore
Speaker 2: on hay pronounce I'm probably butchering it too. I's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I don't understand always the name game. I
Speaker 2: knew there was a union name thing, and that is
Speaker 2: I totally missed this. We to do have some great comments,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you folks with the interwebs tuning in
Speaker 2: to get a little GCD here tonight, but also in
Speaker 2: the commentary. It's great stuff. I definitely enjoy it.
Speaker 3: The comments are are off the off the charts tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't good.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just trying to look at it. Go ahead, man,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to look up this Texas Ranger. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just when we're talking French stuff, we're talking society
Speaker 2: stuff now in America. All these French names, every French
Speaker 2: name you know has people in the society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: even folks like Labooth, Shia Shia Labooth. You know, folks
Speaker 2: like Jackie Bouvier, Kennedy, her Dad society Cincinnati. Bouvier's right,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So this is a bookhoor thing.
Speaker 2: Even though it came to Mexico doesn't mean it's it
Speaker 2: sounds pretty French to me. That's some French origin right,
Speaker 2: mm hmm, seems like but please go ahead, I'm looking
Speaker 2: up this.
Speaker 3: So I was just gonna tell you about. So the
Speaker 3: first victim was was the god daughter of Dean Martin
Speaker 3: and everything buried at the Rockefeller Estate. Which, uh, that
Speaker 3: should be a huge red flag for anyone, even if
Speaker 3: they're not into the program to kill the universe. That
Speaker 3: just should stand out as completely insane how he was
Speaker 3: able to acquire access to the Rockefeller Estate to be
Speaker 3: burying bodies. But anyways, the second victim I also find
Speaker 3: to be interesting because he takes. Her name is Monique Hoit.
Speaker 3: He kidnaps her, rapes her, drives her to Joshua Tree,
Speaker 3: takes pictures of her posed in like weird sexual positions,
Speaker 3: sodomizes her, rapes her again, suffocates her, strangles her until
Speaker 3: she's about to pass out, and then revives her and
Speaker 3: then continues to do that over and over again.
Speaker 2: Okay, in the head.
Speaker 3: Her name is Monique, and then he bludgeons her in
Speaker 3: the head with a rock over and over again, rapes
Speaker 3: her some more. She survives all of this, fifteen years old.
Speaker 3: She survives all of this. Good Lord he takes He's like,
Speaker 3: oh well, I guess I didn't kill her. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take her back to my apartment to finish her off.
Speaker 3: He stops at a gas station, She escapes the car,
Speaker 3: runs to the police station, files a report that she's
Speaker 3: been raped, sodomized, raped some more, beaten in the head
Speaker 3: with a rock, escaped the attacker. She takes him right
Speaker 3: to his apartment. He gets arrested, and they put the
Speaker 3: bail so low that his mother posted the bail within
Speaker 3: like an hour of him getting arrested, and he's released
Speaker 3: right back onto the streets within like an hour of
Speaker 3: being arrested. Even so, he has bludgeoned, raped, sodomized, and
Speaker 3: strangled this girl almost to death. He's released within an hour,
Speaker 3: and then he goes on to kill like seven or
Speaker 3: eight more women.
Speaker 2: How is this?
Speaker 3: I mean, JJ, I think about that. How is this reality?
Speaker 2: Well, booth means beef. How is that reality?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, And this is a great
Speaker 2: You're presenting a great example of the bizarre nature of
Speaker 2: how this dude operates. M hm. So, how far is
Speaker 2: this from Jack Parsons ritual activities near Joshua Tree or
Speaker 2: the the solar lodge of the oto that was out
Speaker 2: there that had that child in a cage that got
Speaker 2: busted in a case.
Speaker 3: Well, look at the timeframe too. It says on Valentine's
Speaker 3: Day nineteen, I was seventy nine.
Speaker 2: I was going to point out the other one was
Speaker 2: July fifteenth, and the folks of innerwebs want to get
Speaker 2: understanding of the weird occult nature of July sixteenth, which
Speaker 2: would have been seemingly the night, the more early morning
Speaker 2: hours when that lady was buried on the Rockefeller State. Well,
Speaker 2: I did a show a couple of weeks ago on
Speaker 2: July sixteenth of the occult weird at ease and odd
Speaker 2: of ease and high, you know, high weirdness around that date,
Speaker 2: especially here in America. But you know, I I thought
Speaker 2: this was in speaking of the Rockefeller State. Yeah, it is, so,
Speaker 2: it's west Chester County. I was a comment about the mounds.
Speaker 2: I don't I can't quite off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: but Entremer Park was a man location. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: this Rockefeller was a man location. But I'll get back
Speaker 2: to it's a good kind again. I love the commentary
Speaker 2: because I uh, I have I've lost those the mind
Speaker 2: notes of the Rockefeller State somewhere in the molted hops
Speaker 2: and bong resident sadly, but I'll definitely get back down that.
Speaker 2: And then this too, like, look, if we're seeing victims
Speaker 2: of one family maybe or victims of cold activities right here,
Speaker 2: maybe that's maybe that's the Sane Hoyt family.
Speaker 3: Well it to me, it's it's like, it's like, uh,
Speaker 3: how does one sodomize repeatedly, rape, bludgeon in the head,
Speaker 3: strangle repeatedly, over and over again a fifteen year old girl.
Speaker 3: She escapes, she runs to the police, she files the report,
Speaker 3: and he's released within an hour to murder it. God
Speaker 3: only knows how many more.
Speaker 2: Well, you want to meet Rodney out Kal's and sister.
Speaker 3: Who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 2: Colonel French born in New Orleans. So I don't have
Speaker 2: his membership, that's a very strong likelihood he's Society of
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati. Wow, this miss that. I totally missed that. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean we see the same pattern behavior. I mean
Speaker 2: Sharon Tate, her father Society of Cincinnati, Brian Hart and
Speaker 2: all a Zodiac victim. He was society hereditary member from
Speaker 2: his maternal grandfather. It's passed down to the closest male bloodline,
Speaker 2: and if you don't have a son like Jack Bouvier
Speaker 2: did not have a son Black Jack Bouvier. Jacqueline Bouvier
Speaker 2: Kennedy on NASA's father. He didn't have any sons his
Speaker 2: eldest grandson JFK. Junior. So when JFK Jr. Was born,
Speaker 2: his grandfather was already dead. So I presume he was
Speaker 2: born into the rereditary membership of the Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: I do have his membership card, Jack Bouvier, so, but
Speaker 2: I will certainly look into Boukhar. Here is I've been
Speaker 2: studying the New Orleans stuff in this front. I've been
Speaker 2: getting real deep in the French Society lately, and it's interesting.
Speaker 2: The DuPonts Ei DuPont original member. Again, if you know
Speaker 2: a name in an America, it's French there. I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: it's their their society. The new has got members from
Speaker 2: his paternal line in the Society of Cincinnati in the
Speaker 2: French chapter. The American Protestant. Yeah, the American French Protestant
Speaker 2: pope whose father converted to Catholicism. And somehow this dude's
Speaker 2: of the pope Society of Cincinnati heritage and that blood
Speaker 2: line of the paternal blood line.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you think about Nicholas Cage being so
Speaker 3: obsessed with the French stuff in buying that weird high
Speaker 3: in New Orleans and shit like that, and his grave
Speaker 3: site's already been plotted out in New Orleans and shit
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: I think Nick Cage is an ancient Alian cargo cultist,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't go These Satanists are also an Chtanalian
Speaker 2: cargo cultists. I'm not saying he's a Satanist, but they
Speaker 2: do get along in there's capacities in New Orleans is
Speaker 2: a very occult town, so there's a high probability that
Speaker 2: he is there. And he marries Lisa Marie Presley, lifelong scientologists.
Speaker 2: You know, that is like corporate Satanism basically, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But it surprised you to find out that Nicholas Cage
Speaker 3: is like a prolific serial killer.
Speaker 2: Not even the slightest.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is like actors, TV personalities, you know, politicians,
Speaker 3: they they're all like fucking secretly and like like with
Speaker 3: Belle b for ending up on I they hosted fucking
Speaker 3: dating show killing the god daughter of Dean Martin, Baringer
Speaker 3: on the Rockefeller Estate, all of this stuff. It's like,
Speaker 3: obviously these guys are fucking connected.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at how, you know, they're definitely connected. Man,
Speaker 2: if you look at how, you know, you know, you
Speaker 2: look at how somebody like you know, Well, when we're
Speaker 2: talking to the Rockefeller Estate, with the epicenter of the
Speaker 2: activities you're describing right here, I think I can encapsulate
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff exhibited at least here in
Speaker 2: this this one photograph. Now, I don't know what happened
Speaker 2: here beforehand or after, and I don't care to know,
Speaker 2: but you'll see Henry Kessinger. His his daddy, not real
Speaker 2: life but professional daddy is Nelson Rockefeller, you know, resident
Speaker 2: of that estate. And he's the guy who's instrumental, instrumental
Speaker 2: in all these Nazi programs of national security from within
Speaker 2: the White House dating back to World War Two and
Speaker 2: thereafter from the Eisenhowers. He was the Army intelligence guy
Speaker 2: assigned to the White House in the Eisenhower administration. So
Speaker 2: he's oss he's setting up the Nazi stuff. He's going
Speaker 2: in the White House, he's running all the machinations of
Speaker 2: national security. Later through his boys Kissinger and Zebranu Brazenski right,
Speaker 2: and again you can look at their symbolism of these organizations.
Speaker 2: They all use the fucking swasika again, mister Process. Here
Speaker 2: Bob Cocaine Evans, who gets busted with the Median cartel
Speaker 2: from Merk and Roy Raidin right, the head of the
Speaker 2: Process in New York, according to Margy Terry's ultimate Evil.
Speaker 2: So we see again these epicenter of activities and these
Speaker 2: matters around. When you say that, I mean, it seems
Speaker 2: shocking that you'd find a body barrier there like that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, look at the crew right, mm hm,
Speaker 2: you know where this man is from. This guy right
Speaker 2: the shirt was bastard Bob Cocaine Evans, Westchester County, New York, ma'am,
Speaker 2: the den of iniquity. His mother's family is a very
Speaker 2: prominent grocer distribution company. They're still today.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's play a little game here, all right,
Speaker 3: Let's just play a little game here. Let's pretend that
Speaker 3: we are psychopaths like the CIA fucking uh program to
Speaker 3: kill Academy fucking you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Let's just love to play that game. Mind says, to
Speaker 2: get it started for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I like to talk about psychopaths and thinking
Speaker 2: like a psychopath, I like to play this clip to
Speaker 2: understand how a psychopath thinks.
Speaker 9: As we know there are known nomes, there are things
Speaker 9: we know. We know, we also know there are known unknowns.
Speaker 9: That is to say, we know there's some things we
Speaker 9: do not know, but they're also unknown unknowns. The ones
Speaker 9: we don't know we don't.
Speaker 2: And there you go. That's a psychopath. That's how they
Speaker 2: think right there.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, let's just say the rules. This is
Speaker 3: the rules of the game. You have to pick out
Speaker 3: of ten serial killers for your team, right that you're
Speaker 3: going to send out you We're doing fucking Colby type shit.
Speaker 3: We're sending out serial killers and there's a draft pick.
Speaker 3: Who are you getting? So Belle Beef for his body
Speaker 3: count is estimated to be around one hundred and thirty, right.
Speaker 2: Well, the name of Bell Beefer. I expect at least that.
Speaker 3: Much, at least Government Cheese is somewhere sixty to seventy victims.
Speaker 3: And you know Ted Bundy, they never found out. They
Speaker 3: said it could be upwards of one hundred victims. Who
Speaker 3: are you picking for a year? This is a draft
Speaker 3: pick jj.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's five oh five. I will take five Edwards
Speaker 2: and then I will clone him four times.
Speaker 3: No, for real, you could pick at Edwards, but then
Speaker 3: you got four more that you have to pick to
Speaker 3: be on your team.
Speaker 2: Well, according to my understanding of the reports and books
Speaker 2: that I've read from John Cameron regarding Frank Dryman, he's
Speaker 2: my number two. And then I'm gonna go with let's
Speaker 2: see here, let me give a let men get a
Speaker 2: little bit of hmm. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: international and take Adolph Adolfo Costanza in the third spot.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Two number four. I feel like I need I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not big into DEI programs, but I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need an Aileen Morenos on the squad, you know,
Speaker 2: just in case.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: And then my starting five, I'm gonna round it out
Speaker 2: with that Pinkerton pig fella. We gonna need to clean
Speaker 2: up operation. We gotta feed these people somewhere to the pigs,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a star lineup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the all star team. I like to see
Speaker 2: what you got, ma'am. See you gotta see if you
Speaker 2: can pete with my lineup.
Speaker 3: My top five for my draft to pick. If we're
Speaker 3: going body count alone, I'm going Bell B for Government Cheese,
Speaker 3: Ted Bhole, Jeffrey Dahmer, and for rounding out the fifth one.
Speaker 3: I want to throw a wild card in there and
Speaker 3: say let's go Kissinger or Fauci, maybe Fauci. Yeah, Number
Speaker 3: five is gonna be Fauci for me. Oh shit, I
Speaker 3: think I lost you?
Speaker 2: Are you back my back?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Where was I on the countdown? The wild card?
Speaker 2: You need? You need the final you need the wild card, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 2: Oh, well played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's gonna be my all star lineup.
Speaker 2: Just competition, original competition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because by a warfare is one of the most
Speaker 3: smoothest ways to get your body count up into like
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of people.
Speaker 2: Can we see how diabolic and we see how diabolical
Speaker 2: old Tony Fauci is within dog experiments. And he hired
Speaker 2: none other than a fella from the son of Sam
Speaker 2: Cold of Yonkers. There, according to the ultimate evil, a
Speaker 2: fellow by the name of an Ardent pedophile by the
Speaker 2: name of I done forgot his name, as I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to describe him. What's his name? Oh, Lord of Mercy,
Speaker 2: Carlton Gadgetsik, Carlton gas Well employed for Tony Foucy. Carlton
Speaker 2: Gadgetak brought about fifty young boys back from Micronesia and
Speaker 2: documented and no one gave a shit. I And they
Speaker 2: eventually gave a shit, but then like they only gave like,
Speaker 2: you know, they just made it look good, right, They
Speaker 2: didn't really give a shit.
Speaker 3: I think the people in the comments are playing the
Speaker 3: game to Somebody said the Green River dude was terrible.
Speaker 3: Also programmed to kill Greenriver.
Speaker 2: Also a team. Also a team, a team? Also a team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: also a team. No, I've I've looked into that a lot.
Speaker 2: In fact, in the nineteen ninety eight American Psychological Association
Speaker 2: National Conference, there is a psychia psychoologists or psychiatrist I
Speaker 2: don't remember now, one of those things, you know, one
Speaker 2: of those cooks. He wrote a he did he did
Speaker 2: his national conference. This is one of the lead performer
Speaker 2: performances or presentations of the national Conference in Boston that
Speaker 2: year for the a p A. And he did it.
Speaker 2: The Green River Killer, the occult murders of the Green
Speaker 2: River Killer.
Speaker 3: And they always get They always get these names, right,
Speaker 3: That's what kills me. That's why I rename them. It's
Speaker 3: just not fair that they go down with these these
Speaker 3: bitchen monikers.
Speaker 2: I hate that much like government cheese and gang. There's
Speaker 2: so many folks murking these hookers and around Seattle and
Speaker 2: Tacama at the time. It's like, how you attripping this
Speaker 2: all to one person in the first place. You don't
Speaker 2: have any.
Speaker 3: Effen they make They make the villain. That's all they
Speaker 3: have to do, JJ is make a villain. Give them
Speaker 3: a name, give them a scary backstory, show a picture
Speaker 3: of him wearing a fucking coat and tie.
Speaker 2: That's part of the show, right, you got you got
Speaker 2: to make it. You gotta make it fantastical, right, you
Speaker 2: gotta make it unbelievable that this one guy did all
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 3: Yes, this one guy. That's why you know. I recently
Speaker 3: talked about somebody brought it up about how Ted Bundy
Speaker 3: had such a huge backing of support from the Mormon
Speaker 3: Church and they made signs and held them up outside
Speaker 3: the courthouse. We love Ted and all this shit. They
Speaker 3: just looked like idiots. I mean, it's like, this is
Speaker 3: all part of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Israel my sixth man. That's my sixth man because
Speaker 2: he's a.
Speaker 3: Not I forgot about that guy. I forgot about that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he knew Timothy McVay and the Kio brothers.
Speaker 4: Mm.
Speaker 3: So that's your sixth pick.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, knew Timothy McVay and then the Kio brothers
Speaker 2: grew up or so of their teenage years with Israel Keys.
Speaker 2: And there's there's connecting principles around that same Nazi compound
Speaker 2: up there in northern Idaho. Right when I'm always referring
Speaker 2: to Colby's queers about and who do these domestic air campaigns,
Speaker 2: which I think we're under one right now. That's a
Speaker 2: horse of a different color, man. But yeah, the I
Speaker 2: would take Israel Keys. He's my sixth man. He's the
Speaker 2: guy off the bench.
Speaker 3: That's your backup. That's your bench guy. That's your backup guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's why, that's why these guys are so
Speaker 3: sensationalized though, right, It's like you give them a name
Speaker 3: and you give them HBO documentary or a Netflix documentary,
Speaker 3: and you've created, you've created. But you know at the scene,
Speaker 3: you mean like stranger things?
Speaker 2: Do you mean like Stranger Things. What do you mean
Speaker 2: that was produced by Carlton gad you six nephew. So
Speaker 2: when we see these Netflix documentary, yeah, look at the
Speaker 2: look at the preceding credits the first season, he was
Speaker 2: the show runner. I'm not the producer. He was the
Speaker 2: showrunner for the first season, the head writer. I believe
Speaker 2: what his role was. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We
Speaker 2: were producing these narratives in these shows, in these documentaries, right, yep,
Speaker 2: we see the same pattern. What the actual black Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we see the same pattern. I used Israel Keys
Speaker 2: as an example. Yes, he knows the key is keyo's
Speaker 2: need McVay. They're connected to that Hayden Lake compound. And
Speaker 2: on top of that, Israel Keys is a great example
Speaker 2: of a Nazi Satanist, you know, devout right there, you know,
Speaker 2: self proclaimed, and that he is being used in the
Speaker 2: Bill Colby's Queer's Operation Gladio style. So he marks up,
Speaker 2: he does a home invasion. He's he's much like Bell
Speaker 2: BF for here. He's got a full spectrum of activities
Speaker 2: and victims and whatnot. He does a home invasion in
Speaker 2: a small town just outside of Burlington, Vermont. I think
Speaker 2: was June eighth, twenty eleven. This is just near my
Speaker 2: bootleg hometown of Campbells Hump, Huntington, Vermont, where I spent
Speaker 2: every summer my childhood and a lot of my adult life.
Speaker 2: The uh, this is an area that's very so I'm
Speaker 2: very familiar with. It's an area is very quiet. No
Speaker 2: one locks their doors after Israel Keys did that home
Speaker 2: invasion nearby Essex, in between Huntington and Burlington, about halfway
Speaker 2: in between them. It's kind of suburban city, but Burlington's
Speaker 2: not really a city, you know. And I'm out in
Speaker 2: the mountains where I'm at half you know, it's like
Speaker 2: twenty miles away. So these are all very rural areas
Speaker 2: and folks were never locking their doors. Israel Keys did
Speaker 2: that home invasion, kidnapped those folks and murdered them, like
Speaker 2: thirty miles away or whatever. Dump some bodies that scared
Speaker 2: the shit out of them. I was up there just
Speaker 2: after these activities. I watched the fear in the communities
Speaker 2: of Vermont, and I watched even my family up there
Speaker 2: locking their doors.
Speaker 4: Fuck.
Speaker 2: And that's Operation Gladio right there. That is Operation Gladio
Speaker 2: by a Nazi Satanist who was very prolific. He you know,
Speaker 2: he maybe depending on his you know, he might work
Speaker 2: his way up off the bench at some point. But
Speaker 2: I mean he's right now, he's a sixth man.
Speaker 3: Well have you heard of the serial killer guy from
Speaker 3: Alaska that supposedly had kill boxes set up in like
Speaker 3: all fifty states?
Speaker 2: That's Israel.
Speaker 3: Key, are you sure that's that guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gonna killis No, he had numerous kill kits
Speaker 2: in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York that had been documented,
Speaker 2: including the one in this case.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. That's what I think.
Speaker 2: He commits suicide allegedly into prison and anchors. But he's
Speaker 2: got he's got murders from Maine to Alaska.
Speaker 3: Kill boxes set up.
Speaker 2: Kill boxes.
Speaker 3: Yeahs to kill boxes.
Speaker 2: Well, how do you train somebody? So how do you
Speaker 2: train something? I see trail maker Jones making a lot
Speaker 2: of good comments. I appreciate your commentary, sir. He's brought
Speaker 2: to We discussed offline. We'll be doing something in the
Speaker 2: future here. In fact, if you want to talk some
Speaker 2: serial killers on these more program to kill matters, you're
Speaker 2: welcome to join us in that conversation as well. But
Speaker 2: an individual who's never considered really a serial killer, even
Speaker 2: though he's been highly trained at these matters. We're describing
Speaker 2: right now a Gambino mobster that has connections to that
Speaker 2: whole son of sam Thing well, at least tertiary connections,
Speaker 2: if not possibly direct Roy de Mayo. So he had
Speaker 2: this whole process, very technical process of killing that he's
Speaker 2: killed hundreds of folks. He would get him into his
Speaker 2: bar in uh Brooklyn, Queen the kind of the border
Speaker 2: of Carr I think is and easy Queens, kind of
Speaker 2: the border of Brooklyn and Queens and the Gemini Lounge.
Speaker 2: And it was called the Gemini process, and he would
Speaker 2: get all these hundreds of folks he murdered. John Gotti's
Speaker 2: on recorded tapes. The head of the game would later
Speaker 2: be the head of the Gambino crime family. The Mayo
Speaker 2: wasn't a capo, but he was almost so powerful as
Speaker 2: his capo, right, Gambino was a capo, Gotti was a
Speaker 2: capo Gotti and Sammy the song Bird Gravano, they were
Speaker 2: deathly afraid of roy To Mayo, and roy To Mayo
Speaker 2: had a whole international car car, Theffer, and he was
Speaker 2: selling automobiles to you know, Saddam Hussein and gang. You know,
Speaker 2: stolen vehicles, you know high you know high price stuff, rolls, Royce, etcetera,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, Lamborghini's. He also, again was a
Speaker 2: highly trained murderer. So if someone taught him how to
Speaker 2: you know, gut people properly, stabbing properly in the right spots,
Speaker 2: then gut them, they'd hang them over like the bathtub
Speaker 2: and let all the blood drain out, and then they
Speaker 2: would chop all the pieces. Again, they would leave no evidence.
Speaker 2: But someone taught in a very organized method which to
Speaker 2: do it. And you have to be very diabolical to
Speaker 2: be doing these these people, right, So he's another have
Speaker 2: to I might have to do a substitution. We might
Speaker 2: have to throw Lean warner Is off the team and
Speaker 2: get some.
Speaker 3: You might throw you might throw her off first. I
Speaker 3: want to say, Jim Bobby in the comments section, thank you,
Speaker 3: I see your comment. Uh the Atlanta child murders. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's crazy as fuck. It's also if if you guys
Speaker 3: have not read fucking Program to Kill yet, you need
Speaker 3: to do so. Okay, there's a whole child on the
Speaker 3: Atlanta child murders. Keys was arrested in Texas and stopped in. Okay,
Speaker 3: see on the way to good points. Saw and I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, I saw that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ever turned that conviction. Right, that's good stuff.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's good stuff. Yeah. Named in that convicted.
Speaker 2: They convicted mentally handicapped fellow for kidnapping and murdering Eton
Speaker 2: pass despite outlaw biker one percenter Tiny Lentini was recorded
Speaker 2: on saying that he saw folks like gadgets and the
Speaker 2: doctors and yonkers that were associated with the process. Right,
Speaker 2: those Tiny Lentini tapes have been stolen from the Ed
Speaker 2: Sanders archive at Princeton. So do with that what you will.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a lot more to that.
Speaker 3: I remember what I was gonna say. Part of the
Speaker 3: CIA training when you're let's just say this is a
Speaker 3: serial killer training program is weapons of opportunity. Okay, weapons
Speaker 3: of opportunity. Look at all the greats. You can almost
Speaker 3: you can almost see which ones are and which ones
Speaker 3: aren't part of this training based on how they murder
Speaker 3: their victims. Bell b for government, cheese, ted bee whole,
Speaker 3: all of the best and oftentimes of opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. And oftentimes it's misrescribed that they're they're sloppy
Speaker 2: by laying they're victims out for display. But that's part
Speaker 2: of the operation Gladio Phoenix program weaponized folklore and religion
Speaker 2: that Michael Aquino I'm up at, Mikey. You know, he
Speaker 2: even claimed that's precisely what he did in the Phoenix program.
Speaker 2: For Colby, I assert if you apply those same statements
Speaker 2: and tactics that he describes, that's clearly what he's doing
Speaker 2: here in America with all this satanic murdering stuff that
Speaker 2: he sets up, right and the state ritual abuse that
Speaker 2: goes along with that, and again part of the Gladio networks.
Speaker 2: So they're leaving these bodies out. I mean know Demeyo
Speaker 2: made he left no evidence, right, But folks like ed
Speaker 2: he was putting folks on display. Inact, a lot.
Speaker 3: Of them put their victims on display.
Speaker 2: And that's part of the scare tat, that's part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because like Michael Akino, for example, he learned from Edward Lansdale.
Speaker 2: Edward Lansdale developed a tactic and the a Keno employed
Speaker 2: throughout Southwest Asia, Southeast Asia, and that is in the
Speaker 2: Philippines of the nineteen fifties, ed Lansdale, mister Cia. He
Speaker 2: was the proudest him. And Lansdale and Colby are Insigon
Speaker 2: running all these Phoenix program ops in the sixties. When
Speaker 2: a Keno goes over there, so Lansdale just leaves and
Speaker 2: he's the psychological warfare kind of guy that Aquinno picked
Speaker 2: the torch from. And then a keynot kind of replaces
Speaker 2: them for Colby over there in Saigon at the US
Speaker 2: State Department, you know, operating from the you know, at
Speaker 2: the embassy, right, you know, auspices of not doing weird
Speaker 2: creepy shit when they're doing super weird creepy shit. So
Speaker 2: what he's saying is he's doing is weaponizing the folklore
Speaker 2: against the local population. We see that with the Satanic
Speaker 2: murder rink. How else can you scare out a nation
Speaker 2: full of Christians by displaying Satanic ritual homicides in full display.
Speaker 2: That is Operation Gladio, that is the chaos and scare
Speaker 2: tactics of these matters of Satanic murder rink of the
Speaker 2: Colby's Queer's Phoenix program. And that is why they display
Speaker 2: these things. Now, why why Roy Demeyo makes no evidence
Speaker 2: of his things? You know again, these these are not
Speaker 2: all the same program They have different purposes. I believe
Speaker 2: in different motivations and different phases of these programs. Like
Speaker 2: I said, you see Edward when Edwards kind of his
Speaker 2: one phase, and then that Thomas Eugene Creed's doing all
Speaker 2: the same shit coming from all the same places as
Speaker 2: they had ten years later. So again I see these
Speaker 2: as phases, and in later phases, I think we see
Speaker 2: other elements being employed. And when it comes to Roy
Speaker 2: to Mayo, he's just like, ah, this dude's aggressively neat.
Speaker 2: I mean ed ed was ed was? You know ed
Speaker 2: Edward's there, He was very when he wanted to be meticulous,
Speaker 2: he obviously could, except for that whole seaman thing on
Speaker 2: them jeans. I think because he's never come up into
Speaker 2: the other cult cases allegedly, which I question, but that
Speaker 2: is the narrative. But Roy to Mayo, I mean, this
Speaker 2: dude just you know, he's just murking folks like crazy again.
Speaker 2: He enjoyed it, right, someone trained him to do this
Speaker 2: and he enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Well. I was gonna ask you what you think the uh,
Speaker 3: the deal is right. They have to find people who
Speaker 3: like to mix business with pleasure.
Speaker 2: That's it. And that's why we see ed doing the
Speaker 2: Lover's Land in November of nineteen. It's twenty six, nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty in Portland, Oregon under the name James Garfield Langley
Speaker 2: returning to the scene with a bolt hole in his
Speaker 2: arm and there's a bolt hole in that there's bolt
Speaker 2: in his arm, bleeding, and there's a bolt hole in
Speaker 2: the windshield. But we see him escape to Portland jail
Speaker 2: that night because he's got to go do that hit
Speaker 2: on that naval officer, that O and I officer in
Speaker 2: the story organ see the business and pleasure. It's a
Speaker 2: stash kid of ropes and shovels and lime. That's what
Speaker 2: Israel keys had, right. And then there's another fellow that
Speaker 2: was American hookers in Chili Coaalfee, Ohio to West Virginia
Speaker 2: and he got he got murdered by one of them
Speaker 2: hookers in West Virginia. She pulled a gun on him
Speaker 2: when he tried to kill her. But he had a
Speaker 2: kill kid with him as the same nature. Shovels, ropes, lime,
Speaker 2: you know, something to bury the body and then put
Speaker 2: the line on top to make it disappear fast. Right.
Speaker 2: But Roy to Mayo, he had a different program. He
Speaker 2: would again, they knew how to sab folks in the
Speaker 2: right spot, hit the right organs, and then they would
Speaker 2: bleed out. And but they wouldn't bleed out too much.
Speaker 2: They hit him in the right spots. They're mainly bleeding internally.
Speaker 2: Then they would get him into the bathroom at the
Speaker 2: at the Gemini Lounge bar, which is, as Jonah pointed out,
Speaker 2: was now at church, and then they would and then
Speaker 2: they would gut them and then bleed him out over
Speaker 2: the tub, and then they would chop of all the pieces.
Speaker 2: There literally was new. I mean, this was a whole problem.
Speaker 2: This is a butcher shop. Folks walked into the Gemini
Speaker 2: Lounge and a butcher shop. And you see they say
Speaker 2: every two hundred. I mean that's probably a conservative estimate.
Speaker 2: This guy graduated high school with Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3: Oh, for God's sake, yeah, yeah, Oh, forget guy.
Speaker 2: I think it was nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3: Maybe, Hey, Jay, what the This is why I think
Speaker 3: you would enjoy Dexter because.
Speaker 2: I'll check it out.
Speaker 3: They got in this new season. They even talking about
Speaker 3: the kill boxes and the kill kids and shit, and
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, the serial killer meet up, and
Speaker 3: they're like, this is my kill box. Look, I'm an
Speaker 3: anesthesiologist by day and a murderer by night. And he's
Speaker 3: got he carries around like this little anesthesiologist mask, and
Speaker 3: he has a satchel and he just turns the gas
Speaker 3: up and he gases his victims. And you know, Dexter
Speaker 3: obviously has his said coot trem But I mean, this
Speaker 3: whole thing about the killboxes and the kill kids, the
Speaker 3: serial killer meetups, it's starting to become a reality. Like
Speaker 3: the show Protocol.
Speaker 2: It's protocol. So I'm gonna if you're saying her serial
Speaker 2: killer meet up, so I'm definitely checking this out. Man
Speaker 2: So Ed Edwards Henry or otis toole who's attributed with
Speaker 2: the murder of Adam Walsh and Jeffrey Dahmer, all in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: Florida at the time. Adam Walsh has disappeared, murdered and
Speaker 2: his head it's later delivered on August tenth, nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: August tenth is Robert's birthday. Jeffrey Dahmer was delivering pizzas
Speaker 2: he worked at that pizza place if you in Program
Speaker 2: to Kill, McGowan cites him as reporting a dead body
Speaker 2: he allegedly found in the alleyway behind the pizza shop.
Speaker 2: The delivery van for that pizza shop matches the description
Speaker 2: of the van used in the Adam Walsh disappearance. So
Speaker 2: we're talking about serial killers in the conference, and I
Speaker 2: think Ed's the leader. So there's a there is a
Speaker 2: major You're there's a significant statistical decrease in homicides in
Speaker 2: America during the thirteen years, not all at once, during
Speaker 2: the three stretches, the cumulative or thirteen years that Ed
Speaker 2: Edwards spends in prison.
Speaker 3: You're burning my barn. You are.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about corporate program or protocols and trainings, right,
Speaker 2: I think that's and were talking about the hand of
Speaker 2: death cult, right, and that kind of using that kind
Speaker 2: of reference right in this net, yea Ed would be
Speaker 2: the general. Ed would be the general.
Speaker 3: You are you serious? I had never heard that my life.
Speaker 2: No one has, no one, That's what I'm saying. John
Speaker 2: Cameron's done the seminal study, and no one wants to touch
Speaker 2: it because there's so much liability. Right, Ed infiltrated. I'll
Speaker 2: put it up here. It's called it's me at Edward,
Speaker 2: or it's me I'll bring it up. But it's John
Speaker 2: Cameron's Coldcasecameron dot com.
Speaker 3: And he's got about this situation with the kids.
Speaker 2: He's got every he's got proof of everything. He makes
Speaker 2: a lot of wild claims, but I'm saying, if you
Speaker 2: look at Ed in this hand of death cult, his
Speaker 2: claims make a lot of sense. Ed may not be
Speaker 2: the sole responsible party for all these things, but he's
Speaker 2: associated with him because their protocols within a network that
Speaker 2: he's the leader of. So Ed gets arrested. Ed gets
Speaker 2: arrested in April of nineteen eighty three in Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 2: technically Marrie out of the suburb, but he's arrested for
Speaker 2: burning his house down in Pennsylvania. Right in that arson
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, the Feds arrest him and they sight in
Speaker 2: their report that they found in his closet a Marietta
Speaker 2: Police Department sergeant's uniform and early reports of the Atlanta
Speaker 2: child killings. He is the white The presumed murder was
Speaker 2: a white fellow dressed as a cop. That's what Ed did.
Speaker 2: A numerous cystanusis he's notorious for doing that, and we
Speaker 2: have photograph of Ed in July of nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: hugging the captain of the Atlanta PD, the head of
Speaker 2: the task force.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And again he gets arrested Adam in April nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: He spends three years in prison. During those three years
Speaker 2: is when Henry Lee Lucas goes on his national tour.
Speaker 2: I think to shit code all of what Ed's doing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So we have a name and a
Speaker 3: face now for one of the assailants working with in
Speaker 3: the Hand of Death cult, Henry Lee Lucas.
Speaker 2: And again he's John Cameron documents Ed being down in Miami, Hollywood, Florida.
Speaker 2: There at the same time we know Dahmer's there, we
Speaker 2: know tools there and tools credited with that murderer. Again,
Speaker 2: Henry Lucas's buddy, right, so this is cold case Cameron
Speaker 2: again he makes a lot of wild Again. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying I subscribed to all the claims that he says
Speaker 2: Ed did, because I think as the general in this
Speaker 2: kind of a assassin team, right, these Satanic Cult assassin fellas,
Speaker 2: and you know the Hand of Death style, right, I
Speaker 2: think that you know. I don't think Henry Lucas was
Speaker 2: the Hand of Death guy. I think he's telling a
Speaker 2: true story, but he's doing the false narrative on it.
Speaker 2: Shit coate it. Right, So everyone looks at Henry Lee
Speaker 2: Lucas is like, this guy didn't do that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: So we see we see ed website here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's done a whole chronology. He's got all
Speaker 2: the documents and see I see report, birth certificates, these
Speaker 2: kind of things. He documents a lot of things here,
Speaker 2: putting in a lot of places that would tend to
Speaker 2: imply that he is part of these very high profile murders.
Speaker 2: But they are high profile murders because of his operation
Speaker 2: Gladio satanic murdering coolby squeers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2: They're They're intentionally high profile. Right.
Speaker 3: This This is absolutely mind boggling.
Speaker 2: Just just so you know, I'm not making up tails
Speaker 2: man again. This he's this dude's taking a lot of heat.
Speaker 2: And I got a lot of respect for John Cameron,
Speaker 2: not the least of which is uh, he brought that
Speaker 2: kid diddling, homicidal cannibal, realistic, psychopathic serial killer that I
Speaker 2: can face to face within two thousand and one and
Speaker 2: may or may not have served me a human meatburger
Speaker 2: at the local Hardy's in two thousand, Nathaniel bar Jona.
Speaker 2: He brought him the justice. And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: This was a legit detective. He's got a good hit,
Speaker 2: you know, legitimate history. He's not you know, while his
Speaker 2: claims do seem kind of wild, and I think he
Speaker 2: doesn't quite maybe not understand the occult in this network
Speaker 2: we're trying to describe. I don't think he quite has
Speaker 2: the experience or knowledge of that necessarily too, you know,
Speaker 2: for the proper context. I'm not saying he's wrong or
Speaker 2: I'm better. I'm just saying, like, I just want to
Speaker 2: provide that context and his claims make a lot more sense.
Speaker 3: Yes, sure, sure they do.
Speaker 2: This is July of nineteen seventy nine. That's the Captain
Speaker 2: of Atlanta p D. Right, and you know they're they're all,
Speaker 2: you know, almost they're not hugging, but they're right next
Speaker 2: to each other. This is the guy that arrested ed
Speaker 2: in Atlanta in January of sixty two, when he was
Speaker 2: the number one most wanted man in America.
Speaker 3: The captain says that the Bradley and Ed are the
Speaker 3: best of friends.
Speaker 4: Yep, they used to write each other, Oh my God.
Speaker 2: This is this is when the's we know he's in
Speaker 2: Atlanta when the murders start. Three years later, we know
Speaker 2: he had a marry out a police sergeanty reform Sesspool.
Speaker 3: This is a cesspool, JJ, We're living in a cess pool.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: That's why I like to call it a horror, a
Speaker 2: horror side show of you know, circus, kind of side
Speaker 2: show of smoking mirrors. Right, because while he's the most
Speaker 2: wanted man in America, it seems he was an operative
Speaker 2: of the CIA, operating under the psychiatrist name of doctor
Speaker 2: James Garfield Langley, an identity he used to infiltrate many
Speaker 2: people's lives and commit a lot of murders.
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm telling you. I know we've gone pretty long here.
Speaker 2: We didn't really get into Ed. But if I may
Speaker 2: introduce you to Ed Edwards, ma'am, and we'll see on
Speaker 2: this clip how diabolical this man may be. In this show.
Speaker 2: To tell the truth, he convinces half the all star
Speaker 2: actor panel here right, this is nineteen seventy two that
Speaker 2: he is a metamorphosized criminal because he just wrote a
Speaker 2: book called Metamorphosis of a Criminal, started his own fake
Speaker 2: publishing company printed the book, toured America one thousand plus
Speaker 2: media appearances, radio and TV stations with that book in
Speaker 2: apparently American folks the entire time.
Speaker 6: At number one, number two, and number three, as everybody
Speaker 6: got the ballot mark. I've got my ballot mark, last
Speaker 6: two venues. You got to start, I gotta start. I
Speaker 6: tell you what I'm going to do. Gary, Yep, it's
Speaker 6: just like the producers of this show to get a young,
Speaker 6: all American looking boy like number three with a prison record,
Speaker 6: the most unlikely looking.
Speaker 3: One up there.
Speaker 4: And that's why I voted for all right, think you
Speaker 4: got a three show and never going to go kiddy?
Speaker 3: Well, I agree with you, and I think number two
Speaker 3: is marvelous. Oh, I voted for number one.
Speaker 7: Nothing all ding for number one. Nice struggle. I found
Speaker 7: that the number two did not know what officiated. In fact,
Speaker 7: there's a new man in prison, but both.
Speaker 2: One and three knew that.
Speaker 7: However, number three said a guard helped him rehabilitate himself.
Speaker 7: A number one said he rehabilitated himself once he got out.
Speaker 7: And that sounds closer to reality to me. So I
Speaker 7: voted for number one.
Speaker 3: Pair of Well, number two said it was practly the
Speaker 3: same thing as a new man. And I think number
Speaker 3: two looks terrific to be a criminal. He looks so tough.
Speaker 3: But I always feel, my dear, that it's the one.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't get pool by some of that number two.
Speaker 3: But number three you trussed with your life. So I voted.
Speaker 6: I have a variety of logics. We have arrived at
Speaker 6: the following conclusion. A pair of twos on each end.
Speaker 8: The volts all and well the real Edwards please stand
Speaker 8: up in it good fine dots number one third, what
Speaker 8: is your real name?
Speaker 2: Viason? What do you my name? Isn't that where rats with?
Speaker 2: Our phrase comes from that Eminem so famous for her
Speaker 2: name with the real Eminem please say it?
Speaker 3: Please stand up with the real slim shady please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there we go. I'm not Eminem family.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're good.
Speaker 2: But that is where that I didn't know that's where
Speaker 2: that came from. It just kind of weird.
Speaker 8: Too.
Speaker 3: So this is the real life serial killer on a
Speaker 3: game show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he answered. So they answer a bunch of questions
Speaker 2: and you got to convince the actor panel has to,
Speaker 2: you know, the Hollywood panel there has to guess who's
Speaker 2: telling the truth. And Ed ed fool's two of them.
Speaker 2: That lady though at the end that she she nails
Speaker 2: it perfectly. It's just the producers would put an all
Speaker 2: American looking boy to the c view. And that's how
Speaker 2: Ed murder infiltrated everyone's lives through fake credentials as a psychiatrist,
Speaker 2: doctor James Garfield Blankley that he got issued in Key West, Florida,
Speaker 2: November of nineteen fifty five, with the same time the
Speaker 2: CIA was there with Castro applauding the overtake of Cuba,
Speaker 2: overthrow of Cuban government of Batista, and Ed has those
Speaker 2: same credentials after a three year stint for robbery in
Speaker 2: Deer Lodge Prison, Montana, when he gets arrested in November
Speaker 2: of nineteen sixty, it becomes the number one most want
Speaker 2: a man in americafter escape in that port and prison
Speaker 2: at the levers Lane murder. So this dude by all
Speaker 2: means I again, I think John Cameron gets a lot
Speaker 2: of heat because he says a lot of things that
Speaker 2: folks don't want to believe that a network of these
Speaker 2: assassins could exist, and Ed might be part of him. Again,
Speaker 2: that's my context of his theory because you look at
Speaker 2: all of the subject claims, and well Ed is prolific.
Speaker 2: It seems like Ed might be the bubonic plague. But
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is the hand of death cult is
Speaker 2: the Mubonic is the modern day Bubona.
Speaker 3: If you will, how these assholes both ended up on
Speaker 3: TV shows, just.
Speaker 2: Mind. Let's listen to Ed real quick. Explain how he's
Speaker 2: a reform criminal again. He's murdering folks at this time.
Speaker 8: Apparently it's your reaction in your neighborhood when you came
Speaker 8: out of the reformatory the first time, were you Were
Speaker 8: you put down by your by your your fellow citizens
Speaker 8: or do they.
Speaker 3: Look up to you?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: When I was released from them, they looked up to me.
Speaker 4: And this motivated me to.
Speaker 2: Charles Manson the first time he got out of reformatory
Speaker 2: because he grew up in an orphan as much like
Speaker 2: Charles Manson Catholic warp from just as well. But he
Speaker 2: I was speaking while I'm on that same note. Otis
Speaker 2: tool otis tool otis tool follows Charles Manson from a
Speaker 2: Virginia prison to that same Chilicothe reformatory. So him and
Speaker 2: Charles are there in fifty teen and fifty three old
Speaker 2: chucky boy there and then Toole and Manson are there
Speaker 2: in like fifty four and fifty. I think Manson leaves
Speaker 2: in fifty five and Tool gets the right for release.
Speaker 2: But Tool was at that Virginia prison of a reformatory
Speaker 2: for young boys that Manson came to. Manson aged out
Speaker 2: and they shipped to the Federal Pennant Reformatory in Chilicothe.
Speaker 2: But Toole follows that that same pathway now that we're
Speaker 2: thinking about it. But he when he talks about the
Speaker 2: first time he got out of prison, he mixes them together.
Speaker 2: He shit coats a lot of things here. But he's
Speaker 2: describing how he got out eleven Worth and he lives
Speaker 2: serving in Elevenworth with Jimmy Hoffa, with Whitey Bolger. You
Speaker 2: know this, this dude, this dude was connected.
Speaker 7: Go on to bigger things because this is why I
Speaker 7: was out there committing the I was for the recognition.
Speaker 6: And this happens because I think people think it's a
Speaker 6: big shot thing to do.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is the Uh.
Speaker 7: The more trouble you get into, the bigger you are
Speaker 7: in their eyes.
Speaker 8: Well, I want to tell you look like a pretty
Speaker 8: big man from over here.
Speaker 2: That's the most important takeaway right there. And I'll put
Speaker 2: the link for all that in the show notes and
Speaker 2: check it out. And we love to have you back
Speaker 2: on Operation gcd Man to discuss some more of these things.
Speaker 2: I figure we bring in for a close here this evening,
Speaker 2: but you know, ed's a you know that it could
Speaker 2: take a while, so I don't want to. I want
Speaker 2: to open up the d worm can of worms at
Speaker 2: this point in time. But we got in the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I And what I've learned about him already.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to tell my husband some of the
Speaker 3: stuff that we talked about tonight. I mean, it's just.
Speaker 2: It's cruise around that cold case camera in site for
Speaker 2: a bit, just get familiar rise with some of ads
Speaker 2: activities and what he's done. That psychiatrist report from that
Speaker 2: that that Parmadale orphanage when he was almost thirteen calling
Speaker 2: him a psychopath and sato masochistic and the one thirty IQ,
Speaker 2: well that's on that website again. Cameron. Again, he does
Speaker 2: a lot of claims, but he's got a lot of
Speaker 2: evidence too, and he puts it in a lot of
Speaker 2: these places and the proximity of these events and you
Speaker 2: just have to say, like, well, there's something else going
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think people get mad when you
Speaker 3: speculate about things. But the problem is, if you have evidence,
Speaker 3: the speculations are aren't too far off.
Speaker 2: And that's yeah. And again he does a lot of that.
Speaker 2: And again I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: I think there's a slightly larger context to it, within
Speaker 2: the cult nature of the satanic murdering kind of varieties
Speaker 2: handed death style. Right. Again, tool would follow in these
Speaker 2: same footsteps as Manson and Ed. They're in the same
Speaker 2: locations in that reformatory in Chila Coffee on a mound,
Speaker 2: built on a mound, by the way, and you know,
Speaker 2: again Ed, they all there's just so many, so many
Speaker 2: salient characteristics of each one of these characters, aside from
Speaker 2: him being friends where friend of mees like him and
Speaker 2: Ed and that Frank Drymen guy. And again, next time
Speaker 2: we convene on these matters, Man, we'll talk ed in
Speaker 2: Frank Dryman because that Drymen character knows at John Cameron's
Speaker 2: book says it's the serial killer you never heard of.
Speaker 2: In regards to Ed Edwards, I ain't no one heard
Speaker 2: of Frank Ryman. I didn't hear from.
Speaker 3: Never heard of that asshole ever, right, so too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that these are the matters that we we
Speaker 2: I mean, are there more diabolical, psychopathic, satanic, you know,
Speaker 2: serial killers that we don't know about besides Frank Ryman.
Speaker 3: One hundred definitely, I mean absolutely absolutely. Somebody said Richard
Speaker 3: Ramirez was on the Maury Show. I'm hoping that's a joke.
Speaker 2: Well, they show him on, Uh, I don't know. I know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't appearance on the Heraldo interview.
Speaker 3: I think at one point in time Richard Ramirez.
Speaker 2: Uh, Well they show him in that satanic Heraldo primetime
Speaker 2: special that was used to kind of deter everybody from
Speaker 2: to help aid in the panic. But even though they
Speaker 2: show actual evidence of satanic murder, satanic ritual abuse, the
Speaker 2: detectives reports the killers, et cetera, but you know, there's
Speaker 2: no evidence. That's what Michael Kino says, These aren't the
Speaker 2: Satanists you're looking for. So this is the book, this
Speaker 2: is his first book. It's me Edward Wyne Edwards, the
Speaker 2: serial Killer you Never heard of? And I call my
Speaker 2: case study Edward Wynn Edwards, the serial killer you have
Speaker 2: probably probably never heard of and uh in the case
Speaker 2: study of Ed Edwards. Now he did a follow up book.
Speaker 2: I'm just now starting to read this one, John Cameron did.
Speaker 2: This came out in twenty eighteen. I didn't read this
Speaker 2: one yet. I just I just cracked that one open.
Speaker 2: Now Ed's daughter, the one that turned him in through
Speaker 2: that television program she watched. She just published a book
Speaker 2: in March. I haven't yet to read that one, but
Speaker 2: that's on my list. Interesting character.
Speaker 3: She published a book as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't I've read it yet. Well, she hates
Speaker 2: John Cameron. That's interesting because I knew about the book
Speaker 2: for his release, because when I started communicating with Cameron,
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, it's about time I probably should do
Speaker 2: some interviews. Plus Ed's daughters is about to publish a book.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, And like two months later
Speaker 2: it came out and she's been doing a bunch of
Speaker 2: interviews and he's you know, I'm not talking shit against
Speaker 2: the guy. And I got a respect for his work,
Speaker 2: not only with Nathaniel Barr Jonah, the guy that served
Speaker 2: me human meatburger probably at the parties in Great Falls,
Speaker 2: but also because that you know that kid's Again, they
Speaker 2: unleashed Nathaniel Barr Jonah on a small town of Great Falls,
Speaker 2: and he did not just murder that one ten year
Speaker 2: old boy, John Cameron. They had other people. Again, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of town for her around that whole case.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, he's done a good study on Edward. Why
Speaker 2: Edward's right? And again I'm not I'm not subscribing to
Speaker 2: all of his theories and stuff. I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: in the proper context, if you understand Ed's and the
Speaker 2: cult and a death style kind of general, dude makes
Speaker 2: a lot more sense, right.
Speaker 3: Damn interesting. Fuck the connections are if you can get
Speaker 3: if you can get him on for an interview, that
Speaker 3: would be a very worthwhile conversation.
Speaker 2: I'm working it. I'm working on it. I did have
Speaker 2: to apologize first because the first time I lived in
Speaker 2: in ninety nine and two thousand, Great Falls, when he
Speaker 2: was a homicide detective here in the local PD was
Speaker 2: a routine patrol stop for the Great Falls Police Department.
Speaker 2: We used to I mean, we used to party pretty
Speaker 2: wild there. So I had apologized for that first and foremost,
Speaker 2: so I do apologize for causing you guys to do
Speaker 2: a routine stop patrol every night at our house because
Speaker 2: and he knew exactly what I was talking about. I'm
Speaker 2: sure because again it's a small town, and you know,
Speaker 2: we made.
Speaker 4: A lot of rights.
Speaker 2: He's deally a nice guy. Heem he seemed he seems
Speaker 2: deterred from something. I think he's got a lot of heat.
Speaker 2: So again he got fired from the parole board. So
Speaker 2: here's here's a quick rundown of how John Cameron came
Speaker 2: about with these matters. Like I said, Frank Triman got
Speaker 2: dumped on that role in the same prison that adding
Speaker 2: him were in back in the fifties and sixty in
Speaker 2: the late fifties, right, early sixties, the Deer Lodge Prison.
Speaker 2: That's where John Cameron was working after he retired from
Speaker 2: Great Falls. Right. He was the investigator for the parole board.
Speaker 2: So if someone's up for parole, he does a background
Speaker 2: investigation and provides a recommendation to the board. They don't
Speaker 2: have to follow it, but that is what his job was.
Speaker 2: He gets a Homeland Security directive or law enforcement memorandum
Speaker 2: in April twenty ten. Right, I'm sorry disregard August of
Speaker 2: August August two thousand and nine, August two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: That's when ed gets busted first, right, and they say, look,
Speaker 2: this dude just admitted to all like five murders in
Speaker 2: one week, you know what I mean. Because he wanted
Speaker 2: to get the death penalty. He kept admitting to more
Speaker 2: murders until that he could get the death penalty, right,
Speaker 2: so became a whole circus. He tested positive on the
Speaker 2: DNA from the seamen on them jeans from eighty. He
Speaker 2: didn't get the death penalty because there was no death
Speaker 2: penalty in wisconsininating So then he admits to a lover's
Speaker 2: Lane homicide in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven. Turns out
Speaker 2: there was no death penalty in seventy seven in Ohio.
Speaker 2: So then he admits to a nineteen ninety six murder
Speaker 2: of a man he essentially adopts, he doesn't legally adopt him.
Speaker 2: He has a nineteen year old man changed his name
Speaker 2: to Danny Boy Edwards, has that man joined the army,
Speaker 2: has that man go wall after boot camp, has that
Speaker 2: man take out a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: policy insurance policy. Then he murders the man while he's
Speaker 2: a wall, and then lets him find his body later,
Speaker 2: and he collects the insurance policy. So this is very diabolical.
Speaker 2: The detective in that town is not happy with the
Speaker 2: FBI because when Edwards moved to that town in ninety
Speaker 2: four and immediately started plotting that man's murder and insurance scam,
Speaker 2: the FBI told that department, Hey, if this guy's got
Speaker 2: some information for you, he's a good informant, trust him.
Speaker 2: So ed did operate under those auspices at times, it seems.
Speaker 2: But as far as John Cameron goes, when that Homeland
Speaker 2: Security Director of Law Enforcement memo came out, they sent
Speaker 2: out AD's book and they said, look, this dude is
Speaker 2: just submitting to all these murders lovers lanes specifically, look
Speaker 2: into those. Use this book his metamorphosis of a criminal
Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy two as a guideline to see where
Speaker 2: he was, because he writes in that book all the
Speaker 2: towns he traveled to. Right, He's got stories. It's coded
Speaker 2: if you will, right. And on top of that, and
Speaker 2: again that's that was the initial they told everyone. Look,
Speaker 2: so John Camera's like, oh shit, I'll look. He was
Speaker 2: in Great Falls, robbed his storre in Great Falls on
Speaker 2: January like sixth of nineteen fifty six or something like that,
Speaker 2: or fifty seven anyway, and there's a Lover's Lane murder
Speaker 2: that happens on that same day and involves an Air
Speaker 2: Force guy. It's very interesting. And so that John Cameron says,
Speaker 2: oh shit, and then he starts, you know, he starts
Speaker 2: going on after that, and he pulls that nci C
Speaker 2: report and the FBI calls the Montana Parole Board and says, look,
Speaker 2: you guys, fire this dude to We're charging him for
Speaker 2: well whatever, obstruction or something else like that. So he
Speaker 2: literally gets fired for following a Homeland Security So that
Speaker 2: breaks the question, why is Homeland Security's sending out a
Speaker 2: memorandum on Edwards telling all law enforcement agencies a look
Speaker 2: in their jurisdictions of these dates that he was there
Speaker 2: in lovers Lane murders? And why is the FBI running
Speaker 2: cover ups on that? That freeze up? Am I back,
Speaker 2: am I am, I back my back. I don't know
Speaker 2: who froze up. I thought we might have been both frozen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, little thing started spinning. But that's too much JJ.
Speaker 2: And then chill this ChIL Cothee reformatory. I'm working on
Speaker 2: looking a matters closer, but it seems to be a
Speaker 2: hot bet of these maybe these CIA mind constro all
Speaker 2: kind of programers with this chaos stuff. So you got
Speaker 2: Charles Manson gets there a few months after ED, and
Speaker 2: then otis tool on the back end, and then ten
Speaker 2: years later we see Thomas Eugene Creech before he goes
Speaker 2: and mimics all the activities that ED did and Idaho,
Speaker 2: including Mary, a seventeen year old in Idaho Falls, Idaho.
Speaker 2: But they both did that ten years apart. But they
Speaker 2: come from this Chilicothee Reformatory which is built on a mountain.
Speaker 2: It's really not far from my from my my trailer.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, live in a van down by the river
Speaker 2: mountain down by the river and some mounds and some
Speaker 2: scoop spooky places apparently you know what I mean? In
Speaker 2: my back are you? Are you frozen or my frozen?
Speaker 2: Who's frozen? What's frozen? I'm I think you were frozen.
Speaker 2: I think you were frozen that time. Sorry, you're good.
Speaker 3: I said, Uh, what's yours hodiac sign?
Speaker 2: Oh? What is yours?
Speaker 3: Your cancer?
Speaker 2: Hm?
Speaker 3: I would have pegged you as a more analytical because
Speaker 3: the way your brain works sometimes I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: not smart enough to keep up with you.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Oh, I would dispute that. Man, I've learned a
Speaker 2: lot just in this conversation, as I do every conversations,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you joining me for the conversation and
Speaker 2: a gay little GCD. I have no fewer than six
Speaker 2: six tabs open from this conversation just tonight. So when
Speaker 2: every time we discuss killers, I learned a lot more.
Speaker 2: And I do. I appreciate the kind words, man, but
Speaker 2: I do. I do learn a lot from these conversations
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that because you know, sometimes I'm like researching
Speaker 3: stuff and I'm like, JJ probably already knows all this shit,
Speaker 3: because once you get on a topic, you can fucking
Speaker 3: research the dog shit out of it. I love it.
Speaker 2: Again. I appreciate your minds as well in these matters,
Speaker 2: and I think we're coming to some very similar conclusions,
Speaker 2: drawing a lot of small circles around these things. And
Speaker 2: on that note, Joanah, I appreciate that, sir. If anyone's
Speaker 2: familiar with the Hopkinsville Goblin incident, yeah, that was investigated
Speaker 2: by Sidney Gottlieb and the MK Ulture program or did
Speaker 2: they orchestrate that through some sort of mind control, hypnosis
Speaker 2: and psychedelic experience. She said, these things are not that
Speaker 2: far apart, these aliens and the Satanist activities and mind
Speaker 2: control stuff.
Speaker 3: Right, oh right, No, definitely, it's all connected.
Speaker 2: Yes, I appreciate, appreciate the commentary from the chat and
Speaker 2: I appreciate the chats. Join us here tonight as well
Speaker 2: to get little GCD and Julia, ma'am if you would
Speaker 2: like to offer some closing statements, will bring this thing
Speaker 2: in for landing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean with I think the I have a
Speaker 3: lot more to learn about Edouly.
Speaker 2: Wh what's the conversation. We'll talk some ed stuff, We'll
Speaker 2: talk some Draymond stuff, because again, camera documents in his book,
Speaker 2: some of the stuff from that Deer Lodge prison files
Speaker 2: of how they were feuding Satanists, and he makes a
Speaker 2: strong argument that ed Zodiac activities in the Man in
Speaker 2: Thehood on Barriessa, when I would argue as a snuff film,
Speaker 2: ritualistic homicide and a hit, a hit of Brian Hartnell,
Speaker 2: who was a member of the Society the Cincinnati, a
Speaker 2: very prominent predatory member.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying I feel like I have a
Speaker 3: lot to still learn about him. But I will say,
Speaker 3: you know, if it's the narrative, just like with government
Speaker 3: Cheese and Belle Beefer and like.
Speaker 2: All these bell Beefer with some government cheese, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, they they all, they all fit the program, and
Speaker 3: you know it's just like, how do they end up
Speaker 3: on TV shows? How did they end up murdering Dean
Speaker 3: Martin's goddaughter? Yeah, ying people on the Rockefeller Estate? How
Speaker 3: do they? But you know, I always learned a lot
Speaker 3: when I when I come on these shows, because I
Speaker 3: feel like we both have a different energy and we
Speaker 3: mesh really well. I'm not gonna lie it was on
Speaker 3: fire tonight.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna lot of you. That's when that's
Speaker 2: when rays conversation we did recently with myself, you Colby,
Speaker 2: and and Lola. Lola I done forgot her name and
Speaker 2: she's the one brought She's the one who brought brought
Speaker 2: her all that to my attention, and you're then had
Speaker 2: that conversation saying I do apologize on that one. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's now I've been looking, We've been sharing notes. I'm
Speaker 2: even terrible more un horrible names. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: phil and sus in my life, Julie, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: lie to you say, because I forget someone's name. The
Speaker 2: males are Philled and the females are Sue. But I
Speaker 2: didn't want to call her Sue because I knew she
Speaker 2: wasn't a Phil. But my point being is that there's
Speaker 2: so much similarities everything we're talking about, the maschinations and
Speaker 2: orchestrations of events that go around that cult, regardless of
Speaker 2: that dude's JJ brin or not, which he might be.
Speaker 2: And you know, the former process leader and assistance to
Speaker 2: a national security advisor from multiple presidents, Henry Kissinger's right
Speaker 2: hand man, Major Brent Scowcroft. So when we're talking about
Speaker 2: all these matters national security, right, we see, you know,
Speaker 2: all these things around cocaine bob right, cocaine bobbing gang.
Speaker 2: So Henry Kissinger and the Rockefellers because that's who, that's
Speaker 2: who made Kissinger and Brazenski in this whole national security
Speaker 2: complex because homeboy Nelson was in there from moment one,
Speaker 2: right from one on. These Nazi matters and infiltration, and
Speaker 2: it is these Nazi matters of infiltration, not just the
Speaker 2: Nazi Satanists, they come very much later or part of
Speaker 2: the same conversation, obviously, But it is these things in
Speaker 2: the National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, which eradicated
Speaker 2: free speech in America, we have in a first amendment
Speaker 2: we haven't since July forty seven. We can't when three
Speaker 2: people can stamp things national security and no one else
Speaker 2: has a fucking clue about it.
Speaker 3: Fucking ay. I mean, that's why. That's why when you say,
Speaker 3: you know this guy, that Cameron Buffalo, the guy who
Speaker 3: wrote the book, what's his name, John Cameron, John Cameron.
Speaker 3: You know, you say, like he's gotten a lot of
Speaker 3: heat or he's got a lot of flak or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it's like, to be honest with you, we have
Speaker 3: to put the puzzle pieces together for ourselves. Like they're
Speaker 3: not fair to say like, oh, well, this person didn't
Speaker 3: have one hundred percent of the information correct. So I'm
Speaker 3: saying that, it's like we do the best we can
Speaker 3: because is hidden.
Speaker 2: You know, now you're spot on. That's why I always
Speaker 2: I always repeat the phrase, you know, I don't throw
Speaker 2: the baby out with the bathtub, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But when I say that John Cameron is more right
Speaker 2: than he is wrong. I can assure you of that.
Speaker 2: Looking again, he provides it's not. He doesn't do what
Speaker 2: Ted Gunderson. If you met Ted Gunderson, he doesn't do
Speaker 2: what Ted Gunderson does.
Speaker 8: There's sounds of Americans out there by the way.
Speaker 6: I've been shot with a laser beam twice.
Speaker 2: They got old Ted twice with them lasers. So he
Speaker 2: presents evidence, you know, But John Cameron, he's got all
Speaker 2: the f He's got NCIIC records, photographs, documents, birth certificates,
Speaker 2: marriage license. He doesn't have the marriage like.
Speaker 3: That's what I say, though, is like.
Speaker 2: So that's when when he wrote that book in by
Speaker 2: may Real quick manbe when he wrote that book in
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. What we're doing, I think is more is
Speaker 2: equally as important is carrying on these things of previous
Speaker 2: research that these folks have done and building on top
Speaker 2: of it to find these patterns and understand what's going
Speaker 2: on here, because sometimes later, you know, a later dates,
Speaker 2: you got more information available. For example, I've been able
Speaker 2: to discover that same Idaho falls seventeen year old that
Speaker 2: ad married under two different names, one being doctor James
Speaker 2: Garfield Langley and then went on a Bonnie and Clyde
Speaker 2: style campaign of terror and robbery murder, just like his
Speaker 2: h Thomas Eugene Creached the Satanist would do ten years
Speaker 2: later there in the same Idaho Falls town and start
Speaker 2: the same campaign and terror. Well, these things not only
Speaker 2: you know, not only are they obviously when we see
Speaker 2: these things like that, when we have that foresight to
Speaker 2: look back and see these and that we could see
Speaker 2: the patterns. But when John Cameron wrote that book, he
Speaker 2: didn't have access to what is now Idaho database that
Speaker 2: exhibits two marriage license issued on the same day by
Speaker 2: the same judge and the same stamps and the same people,
Speaker 2: one under doctor James Garfield Langley with a different birth
Speaker 2: date than Edward Wayne Edwards. Ed's got like four names. Again,
Speaker 2: it's on his NCISE report. I highly recommend folks look
Speaker 2: at Cold Case cameraon with an open mind and start
Speaker 2: with that NCIC report.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, we do the best we can with the
Speaker 3: information that we have. They obscure so much it's hard
Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent right all the time. That's
Speaker 3: why I always say, like, so what they're not one
Speaker 3: hundred percent right. Nobody's one hundred percent right. They hide
Speaker 3: a lot of shit. It's hard to dig stuff up.
Speaker 3: We got to come to conclusions. We gotta speculate. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's not like it's like you said. They can just
Speaker 3: stamp a file and then it goes into the archives
Speaker 3: of you know, lost in time and history and we'll
Speaker 3: never know. So we got to do the best we
Speaker 3: can with the information provided.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And he don't don't get wrong. You know,
Speaker 2: folks like laser tag ted here he's shit coating, okase,
Speaker 2: he's shopping coating all the Colby programs. He globs under Franklin,
Speaker 2: he gloves on the McDonald murders, the McMartin scandal, the Presidio,
Speaker 2: the Finders Now, the Common Commonality and all these things.
Speaker 2: Colby's Queer's Michael Keinou, John de Camp and the Franklin scandal.
Speaker 2: Mary's son George Petty also flew it for Air America
Speaker 2: Colby's Queer. So do you see the shit coating by
Speaker 2: a laser I love this clip.
Speaker 3: There's thousands of Americans out there, by the way.
Speaker 2: I've been shot with a laser beat twice. They got
Speaker 2: old Ted twice. Now he ran Cohen tellpro came out
Speaker 2: of the scene He's like, oh, satan Satanists, I've never
Speaker 2: heard of Satanist. Meanwhile, he fucking knew what they were,
Speaker 2: and he shit cot everything and ruined all these situations.
Speaker 2: He infiltrated one of the victim's mothers from the McMartin
Speaker 2: pre school situation. She has nothing nice to say about her.
Speaker 2: I am Jackie mcgauley. She's the one who coordinated the
Speaker 2: archaeological survey and then ted on his website today folks
Speaker 2: can go see he put his own cover page, put
Speaker 2: his own cover page on there, made it his own report,
Speaker 2: and then toured America saying he's the one who did it.
Speaker 2: He had nothing to do with it. He had the opposite.
Speaker 2: He had the opposite thing to do with it. Four
Speaker 2: of the parents, including Jackie mcgauley, her own statements, hired
Speaker 2: that archaeological team from UCLA to come out on May
Speaker 2: fourth of nineteen eighty. I was a nineteen ninety April
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, nineteen ninety, a few days earlier. The second
Speaker 2: trial of Ray Bucky I think starts on May first,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, so immediately preceding that the trial date and
Speaker 2: the actual hired by the lady he's been living on
Speaker 2: her couch on right, apparently, you know, globbing off her
Speaker 2: monetarily wise. The way she makes these statements, he takes
Speaker 2: the team of parents out there that he's infiltrated amongst
Speaker 2: these parents. Again, Jackie mcgauley states, he was always trying
Speaker 2: to do stuff and she never wanted his help, right,
Speaker 2: She never asked for it. She always told him no,
Speaker 2: he had nothing to do with the archaeological team, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. He had nothing to do with any investigations.
Speaker 2: These are the sort statements he would tour America on
Speaker 2: and say later, we know that stuff's false. We know
Speaker 2: this other laser tag shit he presents. There's no evidence.
Speaker 2: But my point being here is he takes the parents
Speaker 2: out with shovels in August three April twenty eighth, days
Speaker 2: before the trial, days before the actual survey that he
Speaker 2: now claims, you know, he died claiming ownership of right,
Speaker 2: and they takes out there were shovels to make a
Speaker 2: real shit show of the situation. Calls out the LA Times.
Speaker 2: They write an article on it. This nuthouse looney tune
Speaker 2: laser tag Ted's got these parents out here were shovels,
Speaker 2: and then all these Satanists propaganda say, oh you believe
Speaker 2: in mcbarton, you believe they got tunnels? What are you moron?
Speaker 2: And there's been a fucking report print instances nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: three regarding these tunnels, the animal bones, the cat they.
Speaker 3: Found, they found, they found lunch boxes, they found, the
Speaker 3: found packs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they found stuff from nineteen eighty two when the
Speaker 2: school was built in nineteen sixty six, So you couldn't
Speaker 2: argue all this shit was their one that constructed you know.
Speaker 3: No, no, that's what I'm saying, these these underground tunnels
Speaker 3: and shit they found the fucking tunnels instill. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean and thanks for the comment to you, by
Speaker 3: the way, Todd, I appreciate that. I also enjoy working
Speaker 3: with JJ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, thank you, Todd. Great great commentaries for
Speaker 2: great feedback chat. Well let's bring us in for I
Speaker 2: don't want to keep any any longer here, man, because
Speaker 2: we could talk anal digging serial killer, stenic serial killer,
Speaker 2: Nazi folks for hours though, government cheese and beef reinos,
Speaker 2: if you will.
Speaker 3: Yes, my favorite topic by far, my favorite topic.
Speaker 2: I will check out. I appreciate the recommendation. I will
Speaker 2: check out this dexter business. I am from vaguely familiar.
Speaker 3: You'd like it. I don't know why you have. I mean,
Speaker 3: you got a lot of catsh one.
Speaker 2: Up to do. But I was raised by a woman
Speaker 2: that was didn't graduate high school. However, she was very intelligent.
Speaker 2: So my grandmother Van she helped raise me. She she
Speaker 2: would uh uneducated one cousin of Charles Manson. You know,
Speaker 2: she's double Maynard. In fact, Charles Manson's a manor for Pikeville.
Speaker 2: This is my ken folk in relations there with old Chuck.
Speaker 2: He's a Pikeville Maynard. I'm a pike Ville manor through
Speaker 2: my grandmother. So she never graduated high she never graduated.
Speaker 2: She wasn't an educated woman, but she's very intelligent. So
Speaker 2: I'm watching murder she wrote in Columbo and Shit in
Speaker 2: the eighties, and she's shutting off the TV and saying,
Speaker 2: this is why people murder other people. And if we
Speaker 2: look at who produces this, she's she's she was serious.
Speaker 2: She knew what she was talking about, not only in
Speaker 2: the replication of those actions. Columbo used to have gay
Speaker 2: sex with Charles Manson, used to be butt buddies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and clearly Angela Lansbury is a serial killer in that show.
Speaker 2: She's going all these towns. Everyone's just showing up murdered
Speaker 2: and murder. She wrote, and her daughter was a member
Speaker 2: of the Manson family. She wrote a letter for Manson
Speaker 2: to be her daughter's fifteen year old daughter's guardian because
Speaker 2: they keep running into Manson and they're like, why has
Speaker 2: he got this fifteen year old Landsbury girl with him?
Speaker 2: And she's got a note. So these are the people
Speaker 2: perpetrating these ideals in our society. It's literally the same.
Speaker 3: Group of folks TV in reality, and it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't take an education to figure these things out. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying my grandmother was dune. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: she wasn't a you know, a school learned woman. You know,
Speaker 2: she raised a lot of children and knew what she
Speaker 2: was talking about. But you can just use common So
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is she was very sharp and common
Speaker 2: sense of the street smarts for sure, and you can
Speaker 2: discern these things. She may not know that Manson and
Speaker 2: you know her cousin Chuck there used to bang Columbo,
Speaker 2: you know, Peter Falk. She probably didn't know that I'm
Speaker 2: quite certain of it. But what I'm saying is she
Speaker 2: knew that that was what's causing a lot of these things.
Speaker 2: We look to see who's pushing these things, and it's
Speaker 2: the same Nazi satan.
Speaker 3: As fuckers, same fucking ones.
Speaker 2: Yep. So well, on that note, I appreciate your time there, ma'am.
Speaker 2: I look forward to our future discussion on Wednesday with
Speaker 2: you and Colby joining me here to get a little
Speaker 2: GCD to do it. An occult naesoteric film review of
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty nine cinematic masterpiece Twins.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. It's gonna be a great man.
Speaker 2: Let me just pull this up here. I got my
Speaker 2: muppet art here somewhere. Shoot what I do with the
Speaker 2: muppet art anyhow, I mupp at artiside o. Here we go.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that'll be Wednesday, coming up Wednesday
Speaker 2: at nine people. Oh yeah, I got I gotta muppetize
Speaker 2: it right. So appreciate your time to night, ma'am. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Look forward to you and call me joined
Speaker 2: me here for this one on Wednesday. And uh, did
Speaker 2: you have any final plugs for closing thoughts you need to?
Speaker 2: You'd like to make.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I just I love the show. I've been looking forward
Speaker 3: to this one. I've learned a lot already. I think
Speaker 3: we could do a follow up to this and talk
Speaker 3: more about Ed. I am in uh looking forward to
Speaker 3: the Twins episode.
Speaker 2: Two though, Yes, ma'am. All right. Well, thank you folks
Speaker 2: of the Interwest for joining us here tonight. Thanks for
Speaker 2: the commentary there in the chat. And Julia, thank you
Speaker 2: ma'am for joining me here. And see you on Wednesday
Speaker 2: and we'll convene on more of these anal digging satanic
Speaker 2: Nazi serial killers at evers in Frank drymend and such
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a bad guy. He's a bad dude. Marius
Speaker 4: borg Hoybee. What country is this? I just said it?
Speaker 4: What is this Norway yet? Norway? He's a bad man.
Speaker 4: Cory Monte's mom and dad died twelve years you after
Speaker 4: Glee Stars Tragic Death. You know that Glee thing. You
Speaker 4: ever want to be depressed, watch that documentary. They all
Speaker 4: get selected for the show, and then all of them
Speaker 4: one of them is a pedophile. Everyone else kills himself.
Speaker 4: Someone dies in a lake. It's final destination. Glee it's tough,
Speaker 4: it's sad. He's also accused of a raping. I can't
Speaker 4: keep saying that word. They're gonna get some mad at
Speaker 4: us on this YouTube. Unconscious TV star Lenny Meister thirty
Speaker 4: nine at one of his wild Scougum Festival parties allegedly
Speaker 4: held in the basement of the Royal Estate. So he
Speaker 4: had these parties at the basement of the Royal estate,
Speaker 4: and he released the statement saying he suffers from several
Speaker 4: mental disorders and a struggle with substance abuse for a
Speaker 4: long time. Here's the way it all works over there,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna just tell everybody so that there's no confusion.
Speaker 4: They all have these castles and during the day they'll
Speaker 4: do like, hey, come on over, we're doing a thing.
Speaker 4: So people go over and it got a little Swedish
Speaker 4: meat ball or red cabbage. Red cabbage is good and
Speaker 4: you don't get it enough as a side. Why can't
Speaker 4: I have it? It's that with the beats. Red cabbage
Speaker 4: is good. So they're doing stuff like that, right, they go, hey,
Speaker 4: come on over, we're doing a castle. We got red cabbage,
Speaker 4: a little noodle dish, maybe some schnitz, little Schnitzel. You
Speaker 4: go over there, you have a beer, You have a beer,
Speaker 4: a beer, and you eat and it's nice. And then
Speaker 4: they send you home and you go hi, bench biben
Speaker 4: whatever like some type of you know. And I'm talking
Speaker 4: about all of them over there, Belgium, the whole Gang, Germany, Norway,
Speaker 4: is Scandinavia, all these with the European Royalty, Scandinavia, all
Speaker 4: this stuff, right, And then I'm telling you this is
Speaker 4: the way it is. Then like an old woman comes out,
Speaker 4: They like wheel her out and she's like sitting on
Speaker 4: the like on the steps of the palace, and she's
Speaker 4: like it is time. And then they release like all
Speaker 4: some of the workers and the children are forced to
Speaker 4: strip naked and run through the woods, and then the
Speaker 4: elite people hunt them and when they find them, they
Speaker 4: have sex with them and kill them. And the old
Speaker 4: woman and some of the older people watch because they
Speaker 4: can no longer run after the people. So sometimes somebody
Speaker 4: will be brought to them and to have sex with her.
Speaker 4: I say, okay, you can eat this one. We got,
Speaker 4: we caught it for you. But they're watching this whole thing,
Speaker 4: and they remember, like when we were young, we would
Speaker 4: run after the children and the you know, the help
Speaker 4: the helpers, and then we would rape and kill them
Speaker 4: and then they light them on fire and everything, and
Speaker 4: they do drew with pagan rituals. So he grew up
Speaker 4: in that. Not to excuse his behavior, but like he
Speaker 4: grew up in that system where they're like, it's it's
Speaker 4: the it's the time. But here's the thing that the
Speaker 4: those people had, they had a little discipline, They had
Speaker 4: a little discipline. He's just raping any old person he sees.
Speaker 4: That's not the game. The game is there's an organized
Speaker 4: human hunt where we let people run through the forest
Speaker 4: and then chase after them and kill them and eat
Speaker 4: them and rape them. And by the way, if you
Speaker 4: think I'm lying, google this. It's true and it probably
Speaker 4: still goes on. Why wouldn't it. And actually, as much
Speaker 4: as I might disagree with it, I see actually a
Speaker 4: huge benefit to tradition, especially specifically European tradition. Not to
Speaker 4: be racist, but you have people not to be like
Speaker 4: like a crazy person, but they have human hunts on
Speaker 4: the grounds of these castles, and it's well organized and
Speaker 4: they you know, some people disappear from the town. It
Speaker 4: happens once a year, A couple of times a year,
Speaker 4: it's festival. It's like an autumnal one and it's fine.
Speaker 4: So this kid's raised in that, and then he starts
Speaker 4: doing all this stuff. Is Panska, you cannot like this,
Speaker 4: And he goes, well, what about the human hunt when
Speaker 4: I was four? You know, you guys were you know,
Speaker 4: you're having sex with people in front of me, killing them,
Speaker 4: cannibalizing them. It's like, that's a holiday. That's what has
Speaker 4: to be explaining to these kids. It's a holiday. You know,
Speaker 4: we would as kids go, why can't we have Easter candy?
Speaker 4: That's a holiday? I believe we Yeah, you don't get
Speaker 4: it every day. Halloween, you don't get it every day.
Speaker 4: It's a holiday. So when European royalty hunts humans on
Speaker 4: the grounds of their castle, rapes, tortures, burns them and
Speaker 4: eats them, you don't. They have to make it understood
Speaker 4: that their kids, like, buddy, we fought worse to do this. Okay,
Speaker 4: we're actually sacrificing people to pagan gods. We have a
Speaker 4: relationship with the demonic and that we're upholding some sort
Speaker 4: of pact or agreement with And we fought years and
Speaker 4: years and years to be able to a few days
Speaker 4: out of the year relax and do a human hunt.
Speaker 4: But these are special moments for us. There's actually a
Speaker 4: lot of pageantry and ceremony involved. You're just out there
Speaker 4: willy nilly, rapid people in the dorm room. That ain't
Speaker 4: the way it works, buddy. So he said, whoa, what
Speaker 4: about the human hunt? And they're like, it's that's a holiday.
Speaker 4: His father says, the king, that's a holiday, and that's
Speaker 4: between us. The human hunt, or they call it the hunt.
Speaker 2: The hunt.
Speaker 4: Is actually something very special, you know, said your grandmother's
Speaker 4: gonna be when she reads these allegations. But grandma watches
Speaker 4: us all rape and eat the chilled yes, of course
Speaker 4: on a holiday. The fact that you're behaving like this
Speaker 4: and bringing shame to our family because all of these
Speaker 4: royal fem in Europe, it's just what goes on. It's
Speaker 4: not even a deal. And the people know it.
Speaker 1: Do people know it?
Speaker 4: Some people know, Yeah, it's hunt weekend. Don't be stoopid.
Speaker 2: They know it.
Speaker 4: The people it's it's boring. Now, Oh yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 4: hunt a couple of people. Chop mop, We get it.
Speaker 4: These royals now, they don't even have any power in
Speaker 4: these countries. The EU's taken over. They flood them all
Speaker 4: with immigrants. Everyone loses their minds and the royals have
Speaker 4: nothing except the hunt, and it's the only time they
Speaker 4: feel powerful. So is that a good idea to move
Speaker 4: on from monarchy, to have all these supernational institutions like
Speaker 4: the EU. So we've moved away from these bloodthirsty pagan
Speaker 4: royal bloodlines and replace them with bureaucrats and Brussels. And
Speaker 4: these people sitting in their castles, they're bored as shit.
Speaker 2: They don't want to.
Speaker 4: Go to the opening of a new hospital. They want
Speaker 4: the But their children need to understand that the hunt
Speaker 4: is especial occasions, not all the time. So this prince
Speaker 4: what's his name again, hoiby? What's his name? Hoibe? Go up,
Speaker 4: get his name?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 4: Born? Marius? Marius bor hoibee.
Speaker 2: Marius.
Speaker 4: Please behave and wait till the hunt. It's actually nicer
Speaker 4: if you wait till the hunt. My father told me once.
Speaker 4: I said to him, we're on the way to a
Speaker 4: swim meat And I said, Dad, can I get McDonald's
Speaker 4: And he said, son, A hungry dog runs the furthest
Speaker 4: runs the farthest. A hungry dog runs the farthest, So Marius,
Speaker 4: a hungry dog runs the farthest. Wait till the hunt,
Speaker 4: have your fun on the hunt, and then get nuts.
Speaker 4: Rip people's intestines out with your teeth. I mean, really,
Speaker 4: go on a bender, but don't ruin it with these
Speaker 4: little snacks. Don't ruin the meal with a snack. Don't
Speaker 4: ruin the meal with a snack.