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Speaker 1: This Pet Life Radio. Let's Talk Pets.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Covered in Pet Hair, a boozy show for

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pet lovers on Pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Isabelle Albazerata,

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and today I have the pleasure to have a drink

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and a chat with the leading expert in separation anxiety

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in dogs for the second time.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you all.

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Speaker 4: Let's Talk Pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Covered in Pet Hair.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Isabelle Albarezerata, and today I have the

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pleasure of having a drink of a chat with a

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pet parent. A dog trainer, a published author, an entrepreneur,

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a founder. She's a primary educator for dog professionals. She's

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a foodie, a wine snuff and a world trap. She

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loves the ocean and considers herself a recovering workaholic. She's

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originally from San Francisco, currently lives in the California Wine Country.

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She's wife to Kevin, dog mom to Mabel and Tiny,

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who is now fifteen years old. She is the leading

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expert in separation, anxiety and dogs.

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Speaker 3: She is Milenna Divartini. Welcome back. It's so good to

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see you.

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Speaker 2: I do block you're so kind for all the words

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that you say, but yeah, I would just love your

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smile as a bell.

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Speaker 5: In the fact that you're just as enthusiastic as I am.

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Speaker 3: It maakes me. It makes me really like excited and joyful.

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Speaker 2: I know, any opportunity I have to check in with you,

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I take as a blessing because you are the leading

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expert in something that affects so many pet parents, and

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I feel like there's still so much work to be

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done because people don't know that they are a pet

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parent to somebody with us a race of anxiety. And

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my goal with these interviews is always to entertain and educate,

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and you are the perfect entertainer and educator because you're

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such an expert, but you're also so personal.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for being my guest, Thank you for

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having me. I love this and I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I want to get more education and information out there

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because it's just amazing to me how we've grown in

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education and awareness, but not to the extent that we

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need to. So more and more and more people need

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to know that there are positive ways to work with

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separation anxiety, and more people need to know that it

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even exists.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Yes, So these people who might think they

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have bad behaving dogs, they just may just be dogs

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that have separation anxiety. Especially like we spoke last time,

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and for those who are tuning in for the first

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time to an interview with Malina DeMartini, you should check

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out our first interview, which we did three years ago,

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and it is a basic kind of intro to separation anxiety.

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We're going to check in on some of that information

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and we're going to talk more about separation anxiety and

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how it affect different dogs in different stages of their life,

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in different moments or experiences that they might go through.

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So before we get into all that, I want to

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introduce our drinking game today. So anybody participating in our

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drinking game at home anytime you hear this.

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Speaker 3: Word, the secret word is fear.

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Speaker 2: Take a drink of whatever you're enjoying, but please be

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over twenty one in the US to partake. Never drink

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and drive, and always drink responsibly. So what are you

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joining us with from the California wine country?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not wine today. As a matter of fact,

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what I'm joining you with is called a separation anxiety

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sooth their sprits.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I love that. What's in a separation anxiety through

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their sprits? So that I can enjoy one when I

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feel separation anxiety?

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Speaker 3: Weh, there you go.

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Speaker 5: Separation anxiety through their sprits is only for dog guardians,

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not for dogs. Just so you know this is not

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of course, you are dogs for sure, But this is

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Speaker 3: Soda and a bunch of mandarin juice and peel from

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my garden. I'm so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love that so much. It sounds amazing, and honestly,

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I say that the people who deal with real separation

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anxiety at home, they need a soother because doggia separation

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anxiety can be a lot to handle. So I totally

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agree that's for humans only. And I'm actually joining you

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with a similar drink. It is orange. Yeah, it is

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orange too. It's a Mimosa classic. Mimosa just felt right today. Cheers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being.

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Speaker 2: My guest again. And I feel like we're having brunch

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or something.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: We kind of are, We kind of are in the future.

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We will in real life.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I always introduced the show with a game, and

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today is no different. We're actually going to catch up

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on some of the facts that you shared last time

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we spoke. This game is called Separation Anxiety Catchup, and

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so we're going to just ask you some questions that

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I remember from our conversation and see if anything has

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kind of changed.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready to play? I'm so ready to play.

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Speaker 5: Yay.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So right now, in twenty twenty four, approximately how

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many dogs I think you said one out of a

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number last time, So if you have that kind of

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number this time, how many dogs are affected by separation anxiety.

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Speaker 5: You'll be surprised to know that there santas wise, it's

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about the same as it was three years ago.

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Speaker 3: And three years ago if we think about.

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Speaker 5: Timing wise, yes, any of us were lego, No, the

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pandemic is going to like to up and spit out

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dogs into their separation things.

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Speaker 3: That he was right.

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Speaker 5: Interestingly, though, so that was about you know, said, we're

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in our neighborhood of twenty percent or more, going all

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the way up to close to fifty percent. Interestingly, we've

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had a lot more inquiries about dogs that are suffering

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with separationing could be. But the popular from a population

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level it is about the same percentage.

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Speaker 3: And I think there's several things that have influenced that.

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Speaker 5: One is, during the pandemic, everybody and their brother and neighbor.

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Speaker 3: And you know friend adopted a dog.

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Speaker 5: Right, But from a population level, almost fifty percent or

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a little more than fifty percent rather of households in

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the US acquired a new animal during the pandemic. So

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just by virtue of elation increy, we're getting more inquiries, right.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit more that has influenced.

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Speaker 5: This vow because everyone thought, oh, my gosh, these dogs

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pandemic for you know, weeks, months, almost years of what

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has happened, and I were thought, oh gosh, they're.

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Speaker 3: Going to all be suffering.

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Speaker 5: But I think what actually has attributed to these increased

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numbers of inquiries has been everyone. Everyone now can either

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afford a standalone camera for thirty or forty dollars, or

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they can just log into zengman watch their dog. So

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people were not necessarily, for no reason other than accessibility,

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we're not necessarily watching their dogs previously, and then they

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start to watch their dogs and they're.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, oh.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, that behavior doesn't look very very comfortable. And I

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think one of the coolest things about that is that

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a lot not you know, huge percentage, but a lot

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of the employees we're getting now are I just I'm

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watching my dog on you know, zoom or on the camera,

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and he doesn't look comfortable.

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Speaker 3: He's you know, kind of pacing, kind of whining. We

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never got those employees before because no one knew, no

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one noticed, no one saw it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, So I remember when we

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spoke that you were recommending the cameras, and I recently

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did have to purchase the camera for unrelated to pet reason.

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But they are so much more affordable than they were

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even when we spoke three years ago.

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Speaker 5: Definitely, the main camera when we spoke, the mainstream camera

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service when we spoke three years ago was Nest Cam

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or drop cameras. It was, and it was like a

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watch your dog kind.

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Speaker 3: Of thing, right yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now, I mean you even go on to any you know,

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go into any you know, big buck store or any

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online you know store and like thirty bucks, you're good.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I And for those who I'll shout out to, why's

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wyz because that's what I use at my in my

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grandmother's assisted living and it's been super easy. If you

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want to record, you do need a little memory chip.

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Speaker 3: Just know that. And that's a tip that I.

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Speaker 2: Learned the hard way. I just was like assuming that

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it was already built in there.

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Speaker 3: And that's why they are so affordable, because.

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Speaker 2: If you just want, you know, to be able to

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check in whenever you want, you don't need to record.

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They're like twenty thirty dollars and the chip I think

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was like thirty dollars in additional once I ordered it.

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there more research? What has the research found? I know

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you've said that there could be a genetic link. Is

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there any more to indicate that that's the case?

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Speaker 5: There is some sort of urging research genetic stuff, is

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you know? I actually recently attended a conference about some

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of the genetic components of jog behavior, and the wonderful

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doctor Palmer was talking about just research in general, and

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doctor Lindsay Palmer and was talking about research in general

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and said that it takes.

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Speaker 3: In gosh, I hope I quit this correctly.

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Speaker 5: It takes ten to twelve years for the research to

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Speaker 3: Cool interesting, and I was like, oh my gosh, you know,

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Speaker 5: I know, there's an I scour. I scour the research

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all the time, but I suspect there's a lot out

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there that are in publications that I'm just not aware of,

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or are in other countries or other you know, are

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published another So there's a lot happening from a genetic standpoint.

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had been discovered, which is pretty cool, is that there

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was a haplotype, which, for lack of better term, a

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genetic marker. Right, that's a very simplified way of saying it,

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but that had been discovered that was an associated with

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separation anxiety. Interestingly enough, the more I have read and understood.

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Speaker 3: About that, it's not at all a surprise. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Think about I'm going to breed a dog that has

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fearful behavior of any sort of variety.

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Speaker 3: The likelihood that the pups.

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Speaker 5: Are going to have some sort of maybe not all

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of them, but many, you know, some or many of

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them will also have some fear behaviors.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it's important.

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Speaker 5: Though, and I hope I said this last time, but

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if I didn't, we're making it into this recording. Just

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because something might be genetically influenced does not mean that

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it's not modifiable.

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Speaker 3: Right, exactly, right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, has there been any like breed and specifically that's

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been identified as having separation anxiety in more cases than

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Speaker 5: So there's a handful of studies that talk about oh,

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we did this breed specific research so far the jury

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is out, and I'm going to tell you why. There

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are some breed specific research papers and I read through

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them and I think, oh, my gosh, this exactly mirrors

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my experience from almost twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: And I'll get you an example.

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for separation anxiety or separation related behavior problems. But so

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when you like look through it and you're like, oh, well,

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they're also based in Hungary, so that is the predominant

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three or you know, very popular breeds there. So from

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a population standpoint, there's a lot more viseless there then

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there might be in I don't know Whichita, Kansas or

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Speaker 3: So the jury is still out.

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Speaker 5: I think what we are starting to see is partability.

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seems to be fairly prominent cross breeds, not necessarily as much.

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of based separation really related to heater problems. Those pops

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in that lineage, in that line may continue to show

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some of those behavior issues, but that doesn't mean another

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dog is reed that didn't have those problems would produce that?

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Speaker 2: So still still out? Still and do you see it

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more often in purebreads versus rescues?

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Speaker 3: Is it about the same? Is the jury still out? Okay?

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because I think it's important that we hear it. There's

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a lot of discussion about, well, obviously, shelter dogs, are

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you know, going to have more separation related to heater

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problems than purebread dogs. That is not anecdotally anyway from

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Speaker 3: What we see in our practice.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we have probably a similar amount of pure

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and things like that. So I commonly say that separation

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anxiety is sort of indiscriminate, Like it's like, oh, you.

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It's just what we don't know enough to know. We

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know so much about what doesn't cause.

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Speaker 6: Separation anxiety, but we know very little about what does.

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So Okay, so that's my next question. What does not

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cause separation anxiety? Maybe like the top three, maybe some

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surprises that people some myth busting here.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 5: This is one of my favorite topics, just so you

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know the number one thing that I want anybody and

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everyone to hear. Like, you can shut this podcast off

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if you have to go somewhere, but here this one point.

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Speaker 3: Just hang on for one second.

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Speaker 5: Spoiling quote unquote activities are not not are they not

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really correlational, but they're not causational for separation anxiety. And

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so when you are a dog guardian and you recognize

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and realize that your dog has separation anxiety, the first

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thing that people will commonly do is talk to their

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friends and their colleagues and their family and percent of

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those so just making that number up, but it's true.

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Are gonna say, if you just didn't spoil your dog

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so much, stop letting them sleep in your bed, stop

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giving them treats all the time, and taking them everywhere

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with you, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, letting

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them on the couch, you know, all the things that

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has those we're gonna call them spoiling behaviors.

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Speaker 3: But in my my personal opinion, those are that's how

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you love a dog exactly.

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and none of those correlate with separationings. And that research

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actually started very long agot.

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Speaker 3: One of the first really prominent.

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Speaker 5: Pieces of research was in nineteen ninety one about it, and.

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Speaker 3: It's been replicated.

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Speaker 5: And this is one of those things that's a really

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important in research and in science in general. Right, we

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can get this one off paper that says I found

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this cool thing, but until it's replicated and then again

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replicated and then again replicated, we don't know.

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Speaker 3: We don't know. But this research has been replicated.

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Speaker 5: Many, many times since the early nineties.

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Speaker 3: And nope, love your dog, kiss.

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Speaker 5: Your dog, your dog, point with your dog in the bed,

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all the things, because that's not going to cause or

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even impact, Thank Bettie.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I stumbled upon a video of a dog trainer, I

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don't know what their credentials were on social media, Yeah,

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and it was that you're overspoiling your pet and that's

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gonna lead to you not being able to leave the house.

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And I made the mistake of commenting being like, that

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is not how separation anxiety works. And so many people

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are like, I know for a fact, and I'm like,

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that's not what the science says, because I know I

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heard it from the leading expert in separation anxiety that

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that does not cause separation anxiety. Loving caring for you

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and feeling like your pet is part of your family

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does not cause separation anxiety. I love that you commented

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on that, and I love that we are gonna be

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able to share that. Diffuse that on social media because

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there's so much misinformation about how we need to keep

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our pets down in order for them to be healthier

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and happier, Like it doesn't even make sense, like logically no.

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Speaker 5: And as a matter of fact, a lot of the

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so called let's just say trainers that are I mean

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these things often talk about the concern that the dog

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is hyper attached. And what's interesting is that attachment theory

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started to become important back looking like in the fifties,

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right started with Boldy and this was all about attachment

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human child attached to not just.

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Speaker 3: Parent, but female parent.

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Speaker 5: So it was all it was very interesting, But attachment

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theory there is there's so many holes to be poked there.

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important that people hear is that attachment, when it is

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a positive attachment right, supportive attachment meaning they're getting everything

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that they need that is correlated with fewer levels or

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lower levels of anxiety, as opposed to insecure attack this

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through and you know human relationship too, in secure attachment

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where they're getting variable like sometimes I hug you and

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love you, and sometimes I'm mad at you and I

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you know, I'll smack you on the head or what.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right?

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Speaker 2: And I'm an attachment parent for that reason because from

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my understanding, the more their needs are met, the more

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independent they become when.

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Speaker 3: They are ready to do so.

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Speaker 2: So I've always been and I know my family thinks

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I spoil my kids, and I'm always there for them,

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and you know, they're too attached to me, And I'm like, who.

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Speaker 3: Else are they going to be attached to?

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Speaker 2: They're six and four years old, they're supposed to be

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attached to their mom. And from a pet parent perspective,

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who's feeding the dog? Of course they're going to be

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attached to you. They can't open the door, drive to

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the grocery store and buy themselves kibble. You are their

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provider and their source of survival, so of course they're.

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Speaker 3: Going to be attached to you.

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Speaker 2: And it would be really unn that's for them not

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to be knowing how our families function and how we

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feed them once or twice a day, how we provide

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for them every single thing that they need in their

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life makes those sorry.

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Speaker 5: And it's really and never to follow up on that

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really quick because one of the things that I learned

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this was the eons ago.

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Speaker 3: But Jeane Donaldson actually said this, and.

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Speaker 5: It always stuck in my head about like dominance type theory, right, like, oh,

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they're trying to take over, you know, and I and

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it through until Jean said to me, how many dogs

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do you know that it's stolen the car keys and

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the cryptic cards and have driven off to like boil

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themselves in the pet store or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Exactly? They can't were they are.

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Speaker 5: So you know, we need they need our care, they

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need to if they want to go potty, they we take.

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Speaker 3: Them out me pretty pretty so Sime exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny because I feel like we forget how

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much our pets really understand about our dynamic because I

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think we don't give them enough credit, you know, like

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they know who feeds them. They stare at you every morning.

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The person in the house who feeds them, they stare

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at you every morning. They wouldn't be in your good graces.

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They're not trying to challenge you so that you can't

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have a hand.

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Speaker 3: To feed them. Are you crazy?

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Speaker 2: Like we have to give our pets a little more credit? Well,

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I have two more questions for the game. These are

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pretty I feel like these are gonna be helpful for

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those who don't know much about separation anxiety. When people

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call you, what is the most common symptom or sign

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that they're sharing with you that leads them to believe

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that it's separation anxiety?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna talk about this reheaded dog, so sarahbas

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here right, h The most common three symptoms are vocalization

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when left alone, destruction when left alone, and elimination, So

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you know, urinating or defecating in the house only when

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left alone.

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Speaker 3: I want to I think you're right.

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Speaker 5: This is really important for people to hear becacause that

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is changing, as I kind of alluded to earlier, now

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that people have cameras to watch their dogs. Those three vocalizational,

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elimination and destruction are three symptoms that are terribly inconvenient

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to the guardian, you're getting landlord or neighbor complaints, you're

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having to clean up pee and poop, you're replacing doors

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or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Those are.

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Speaker 5: Really they're big deals to us as a human component.

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Speaker 3: Those are just.

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Speaker 5: The ones that really are obvious to us from a

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we're not even if we're not watching the camera right right,

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right right, and so to me, things like excessive panting, pacing, drooling, scratching.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, there's there's.

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Speaker 5: So many, you know, even just freezing and pupillary dilation,

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you know, and like a dog is like terrifying and

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trembling has there's no inconvenience to the guardian or to

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the neighbors or to party. But that's a horrible, horrible

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way to spend four hours while someone's.

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Speaker 2: You know, out in a movie or whatever it is,

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or eight or eight to ten hours if they're at work.

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Oh no, and what have you seen any unusual signs

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that people would be really surprised to learn can be

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related to separation anxiety.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna.

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Speaker 5: Say, maybe this isn't unusual, but I will common not commonly,

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but often enough get referrals from veterinarians saying this.

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Speaker 3: You know, the guardian says he doesn't like being left alone, but.

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Speaker 5: We want to talk because this dog has severe GI

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issues or severe skin allergy type things or that kind

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of stuff.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not of that. Gotta say that across the board,

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I am, and of course I don't. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 5: I know that these things are correlated from a medical standpoint,

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but so many of these dog I'll tell you this.

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When I was in corporate America, I was a stressed

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out mess and I used to have a bottle I'm

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not joking, a bottle of Pepto Bismo in my desk

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drawer because I was constantly like, oh, I don't feel well,

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and I was just like slugging at that.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: Stress can and often does create gas, intestinal issues absolutely right, skin,

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skin irritation and all the things. Again that obviously has

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to be discussed with and diagnosed by a vet, but

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it's not uncommon, and it's one of my One of

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my favorite things is when we start to work on

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the dogs separation anxiety and then suddenly you're like, oh,

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they have normal duel again. That's amazing now and you're like, oh,

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so it was you know, so what comes first the

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chicken early egg?

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Speaker 3: We kind of don't. We start to make some progress

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with the anxiety.

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Speaker 5: But I think that's an important one to think about

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and to recognize, and it's one of the things we track.

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Speaker 3: Very carefully when we're working with.

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what are other aspects of their health looking like.

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Speaker 2: That is so important because I'm a big believer in

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knowing the root cause for ailments, right, And if we

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don't kind of know that, maybe you go to the

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vet and you're telling your vet your dog has GI upset,

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but you forget to mention that you're also working with

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a dog trainer because of separation anxiety. That's really important

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information because maybe the vet will be educated enough to say, like, hey,

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I know this person who maybe you know who's the

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leading expert who may be a better resource than you know,

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a dog trainer who's not specializing in any way in

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separation anxiety, so that maybe it can come back to

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the root being not you know, a gut issue, not

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the food they're eating, not the medication for xyz is

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causing stomach upset, but maybe it is just the stress levels.

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Speaker 3: They're so high.

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Speaker 2: And I think everybody is seen at some point a

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video of a dog having a huge reaction to, for example, noises.

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We've all seen the videos of the dog trying to

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get out of a crate or trying to escape his

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own home because fireworks are going off. But I think

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a lot of people haven't seen, you know, these subtle

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yet really telltale signs of a dog with separation anxiety.

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And like, sometimes they're so subtle, because my dog has

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separation anxiety. Some it's better when she has a pet mate.

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She does not do well individually at all, and she

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it's very subtle with her. It's very kind of like

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that very excited return from the store. She's just jumping

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out of her skin after an hour, you know, ten

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minutes out front, she's fine, an hour more, she just

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is just jubilant that I'm back. So these kinds of

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things people don't realize could be a sign of separation anxiety.

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You just take it as a compliment. Your dog's happy

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to see you, and you don't know that they have

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been desperate for you to come back again because they

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know that you are their source of survival. So thank

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you so much for catching us up on that. I

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want to catch me up on your business and everything

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that you guys are doing. I want to shout out

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to you and your team for supporting the Texas Petsators Conference.

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You're always so generous with us, sharing with us your mission,

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possible course, your books. So what do you have going

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on right now other than everything you've always done, which

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is your books, your courses, and being basically the leading

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trainer for dog trainers that want to specialize in separation anxiety.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad you asked, because one thing I do

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want to talk about that we've been working on for

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about the last year. I mean, it's a huge passion

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of mine. I mean, separation a Zeti in general is

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my passion, but this piece has been a huge passion

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in mine for a long time, and that is how

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to support shelters and rescues that have separationing Zeti dogs

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in their care.

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Speaker 3: And there are there are big, big, big.

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Speaker 5: Gaps in the elements of support and resources for shelters

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and rescues. We conducted a survey started last year in October,

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and we've had we've had quite a few responses from

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staff and volunteers and fosters and everybody associated with shelter

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and rescue, and.

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Speaker 3: We learned a lot.

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Speaker 5: And what we learned is that there are there's a

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very large spectrum of yeah, we you know, we follow

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up one time a week later and then they're on there,

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you know, from there to much more robust and you know,

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it was interesting because it was indiscriminate between really really

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small shelters and rescues that only have one or two

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people volunteers kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Very large.

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Speaker 5: There was a lot of gaps in that follow up

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and how to support adopters and even how to look

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at the point of intake through fostering, through pre adoption,

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through post adoption.

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Speaker 3: And we've created a lot of resources for that. And

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I recently.

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Speaker 5: Presented on this shelter and rescue topic for ia ABC

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at their conference, and I'm going to present again for

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APDT Linated this year and PPG in a few months

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on all of our research findings. One of the things

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that I found interesting at the IAABC conference, I asked

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the audience, like, how much follow up do you provide

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for dogs with known separation related behavior problems once they're

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a docketed and it was it was an interactive hole,

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so they could just scan a QR code and then

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just anonymously type in their answers, and those answers showed

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up on my life right.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was a little worrying because it was.

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Speaker 5: Like none, none, very little, not anything, just some not

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too much.

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Speaker 3: One phono, you know, one phollow out call, one email,

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one this and one. And there were.

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Speaker 5: Others that did more, but the the over writing predominant

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answer was none or little to none.

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Speaker 3: We need to change that, yes, and.

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Speaker 5: I think for the reason we need to change it, well,

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for many reasons. But you know, we do a tremendous job.

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And I my hats are off, and I salute everybody

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in Shelter and Rescue. They do such wonderful work. And

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I know that, you know, you get the dog into

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your organization that has I don't know, a nice yel

567
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tear or something like that, they're like, we're gonna raise

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this much money to repair this ACL to get them out,

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and then we're going to follow up and we'll have

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that visits and all of this stuff. Separation anxiety is

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a behavioral emergency. Okay, it may not be medical in

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the sense that you can't operate and operate on it,

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but it is a behavioral emergency, and I think we

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need to give those jobs that same level of kindness,

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care and support and those adopters as well. So I'm

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hoping to start to educate and provide more resources that

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will allow people to adopt these jobs with the understanding

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and the hope that things the can this can be addressed.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting is that, as somebody who

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supports and advocates for rescue and obviously advocates for training,

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especially for situations like separation anxiety, I never thought about

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maybe people doing a fundraiser to get a dog trainer

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involved for a dog that is in a shelter environment

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that suffers from separation anxiety. It should have been low

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hanging fruit and really obvious to me, But until you

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said it, I was not. You know, it just hadn't

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occurred to me. So I think it's that's exactly why

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we have these conversations. That's exactly why people like you

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do what you do, so that we can make this

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more of a you know, approachable topic that has a

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solution rather than something that well I want I actually

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I'm gonna ask you that may actually destin the dog

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for the worst or for the unthinkable because they think

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that there's no solution. So on that note, I'm going

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to take a break right here. We're gonna listen to

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our sponsors, and when we come back, I'm actually gonna

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dig in deeper into separation, anxiety, rescues, and shelters.

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Speaker 3: What they do, what they don't do, what it means

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for the dog. So don't go anywhere. We will be

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right back with Milena and Martini.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk past Let's done on radio Headline.

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Speaker 8: Radio atlight radio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Covered in ted Hair.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Isabelle Alberzerata and today I'm having a

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conversation with the foremost expert in separation anxiety in dogs.

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Speaker 3: That is Milena's Martini.

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Speaker 2: If you know anything about dog training, if you know

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anything about separation anxiety, you know Molenna, and you know

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that she is just as knowledgeable as she is committed

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and dedicated to this topic. I love having you on

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the show, Molenna, because I learned so much and it

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really does get me thinking about something that is very

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akin to mental health. Right, so we talk about mental health.

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Speaker 9: As an actual medical condition in humans, and this is

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something that is very similar and many times in the

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pet world it doesn't get its due.

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Speaker 2: So we were just talking about how you are committed

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to helping rescues and shelters navigate separation anxiety from the start,

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through adoption and beyond. And I want to play a

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game with you, and this is called Mission Possible Rescues

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and shelters to take from your courses name and I

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just want you to tell me how you and your

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team help in these specific moments and things that maybe

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adopters should be looking out for, asking for if they,

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you know, if they think that they might be working

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with a rescue that's open to it.

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Speaker 3: So the first question I have for.

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Speaker 2: You is how do you help shelters and rescues at intake.

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An intake for those who aren't familiar with the terminology,

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is when they receive a pet in a shelter environment.

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Might be like an owner surrender, It might be transferred

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from a high kill shelter, from a rescue. It might

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be pulling them from this shelter or against owner surrenders

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or returns. How do you help that process?

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Speaker 5: So for the intake process, it's good news and slightly

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not great news. When we have someone that's surrendering an anima.

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We have created a questionnaire which, by the way, needs

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to be discussed and the questions they need to be

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asked in a very compassionate and empathetic way.

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Speaker 3: This is not.

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Speaker 5: Judging this person for bringing their dog because they're for

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whatever reason, that is what they need in.

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Speaker 3: Their lives for what you know, for their situation. But

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the more information.

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Speaker 5: That we can gather about that dog, the better equips

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the shelter or rescue will be to provide that particular

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animal with not only what they need while they're in

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their care, but also provide them with the best opportunities

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for adoption with the right types.

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Speaker 3: Of fits fits.

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Speaker 5: When shelters and rescues pull, you know, whether it's astray,

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whether they pull from another organization, they grab a dog

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that is in a rescue that was potentially going to

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be euthanized, there's typically not the level of information. And

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it's hard because one thing that I talk to, and

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I talk to a lot of shelter and rescue organizations,

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and one thing that everybody is sort of pulling their

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hair out about is how do we know? How do

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we know if this dog has separation anxiety if we

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don't have intake.

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Speaker 3: Information from a previous guardian.

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Speaker 5: And the answer is, you don't because this operation anxiety

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looks identical to shelter stress. And it can also not

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be very apparent at all in an environment where our

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dog is very shut down and overwhelmed. So while in

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the shelter environment, even those dogs that you think, oh,

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I take them out for their let's say, their walk

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and they don't want to go back in the kennel

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and they just want to be.

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Speaker 3: With me, kind of that could just be shelter stress.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and there's a big concern about labeling a dog

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with separation anxiety.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't have it.

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Speaker 5: And there's also a big concern about labeling a dog

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that does have separation anxiety without you know that you transparency,

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and so I really urge shelter and rescue organizations to

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refrain from diagnoses unless they really.

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Speaker 3: Have historical information. Okay, perfect, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing that I feel like is always

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missing in the rescue process is the questionnaire. So this

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is available to all rescues and shelters. You provide the questionnaire.

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They don't have to make up the questionnaire, they just

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need to ask people to complete it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and I recommend that it's sort of a conversation

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as opposed to please fill this.

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Speaker 3: Out type of got it. You know, it's it's a it's.

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Speaker 5: A kindness that we need to afford people, even though

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we don't like dogs being relinquished because.

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Speaker 3: It because that worries us.

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Speaker 5: But it's a kindness that many people need, is our

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empathy and compassion.

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Speaker 3: And that how is available.

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Speaker 5: To download this That resource and all the others are

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available for free to download on our website.

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Speaker 3: So amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's really important that we leave

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all judgment aside because at the end of the day.

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It really is about setting that pet up for success.

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Speaker 3: And if the.

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Speaker 2: Person is there surrendering them, they obviously are not in

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the best place they can be. So knowing that information

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allows us to find a better solution for that pet,

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a better placement for that pet. So it's always like

714
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,679
the same way when I go to my district meetings

715
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:41,639
for my kids public school, the goal is the kids.

716
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 3: It's always about the kids.

717
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,159
Speaker 2: The bureaucracy, everything else, the feelings the adults feel not important.

718
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,159
Speaker 3: It's about the kids, and in this case, it's about

719
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:49,760
the pets.

720
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,559
Speaker 2: How does the shelter environment I imagine it would exacerbate separation anxiety.

721
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,840
How do you help shelters mitigate that if it's even

722
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,800
possible to do so?

723
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:09,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it can exacerbate separation anxiety. We don't have

724
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,519
We don't know for sure because we don't have enough

725
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:15,719
numbers and research behind that, but anecdotally from what we see,

726
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:22,000
it can commonly exacerbate some of the separation related behavior issues.

727
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: Before fully answering this question, I want.

728
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,679
Speaker 5: To make a huge, huge, sort of disclaimer in that

729
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,039
I recognize that when we're talking about shelters and rescues,

730
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,239
we're talking about organizations that could.

731
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: Be one or maybe two people that are just.

732
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,519
Speaker 5: Renting it because they love that brety, do they love

733
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,880
the local community dogs or whatever, all the way up

734
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,079
to a behavior staff of twenty people.

735
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 3: In a volunteer pool of several hundred. You know, so

736
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:59,119
not every suggestion.

737
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 5: Was gonna necessarily work, depending on the resources that the

738
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:07,639
individual organization has. The very first suggestion for those that

739
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,239
have the resources available would be to consider foster care,

740
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,119
and that, of course would be wonderful for these dogs.

741
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:23,320
They interestingly enough, it's often assumed that the foster needs

742
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:28,119
to do the training for separation anxiety. While that wouldn't hurt,

743
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,599
that doesn't flies to the new home. And so if

744
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:38,400
we have limited resources, I'd rather put those limited resources

745
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,119
in getting other types of support that goes with the

746
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:44,880
dog post adoption.

747
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,159
Speaker 3: Inside of foster though.

748
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: There's some really great research. Lisa Gunter and a couple

749
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,679
of other folks put.

750
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,559
Speaker 3: The research together about just getting the.

751
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:57,119
Speaker 5: Dog, like hanging out in the office for a couple

752
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:01,679
of hours with the shelter and rescue a getting.

753
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,599
Speaker 3: An overnight with a volunteer, getting.

754
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: A long you know, day trip with a staff member,

755
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,280
or a volunteer or you know, those sorts of things

756
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,519
continue to I mean they're not it's not perfect.

757
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,159
Speaker 3: But these are these are difficult.

758
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,079
Speaker 5: Nations, right, and those continue to allow that dog to

759
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,719
kind of reduce some of that stress, and that reduction

760
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,480
and stress seems to be contributing to their resiliency to

761
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,760
be able to handle the environments that they're in.

762
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: Really important.

763
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 5: So we just have to see the best we can

764
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,800
do based on the resources that we have. And you know,

765
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,280
I love that you mentioned when you were saying, hey,

766
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,559
I never thought of raising money, you know, or raising

767
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:50,440
funds for separation anxiety dogs or any behavior.

768
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:50,679
Speaker 3: For that matter.

769
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 5: But either there's a lot of things that even monetarily

770
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:55,920
don't have to be included.

771
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: I love, love, love when we have.

772
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,079
Speaker 5: Whether it's a foster or or an adopter of a

773
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:06,119
dog with separation anxiety, creating an online calendar that volunteers

774
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:10,360
and local pet sitters and dog walkers and etc. Be like,

775
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,440
I'll cover that two hours while you have to go

776
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,199
to a doctor's appointment on Thursday.

777
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: Nice.

778
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 10: I mean like that is invaluable, invaluable, And you know,

779
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,679
so there's a lot of things that we can offer

780
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,599
that some yes, are going to take you know, some

781
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,199
some financial resources, like training, but others, I mean, getting

782
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,079
people to help with that management would be amazing.

783
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:35,079
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

784
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: I love the idea of having volunteers sit with the

785
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,320
dogs because obviously we don't.

786
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: Want to leave them with their fear.

787
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,119
Speaker 2: Like you said last time we spoke, you just lock

788
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:48,280
them up with their panic and leave them on their own.

789
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,639
That's not what we want. So having somebody to just

790
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,880
support by just sitting there and watching TV or doom

791
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,079
scrolling for two hours while the pets is yeah, like

792
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,280
the pets there. It's your break, it's your lunch time,

793
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,280
whatever it's There's so many programs out there where we

794
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:08,599
have people volunteer to walk dogs, but I haven't heard

795
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,480
of anybody having volunteers to just sit with a dog.

796
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,440
And not all dogs want to walk for a whole hour,

797
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,320
so sitting with them would be nice.

798
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,119
Speaker 3: Too, very much, so very much so.

799
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, most often these dogs just pray the human, you know,

800
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,440
be hanging out with them. And I want to remind

801
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,079
people too, you know, yes, pet sitters charge and dog

802
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,360
walkers charge. There's a lot of low cost and no

803
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,559
cost resources to you know, college students that just want

804
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:45,000
a nice quiet wi Fi enabled place to Yes, exactly,

805
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,760
and they're like, can I eat a sandwich out of

806
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,760
your refrigerator?

807
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,639
Speaker 3: Make it? You know, makes grass ten bucks for gas

808
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:56,639
money or what you know. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't always

809
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:57,000
have to.

810
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,599
Speaker 5: You know, people think I can't afford daycare and therefore

811
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,039
I can't no take care is yeah, fine, but it's

812
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:06,079
just one of many any options, and many of them

813
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,960
are free or very low costs.

814
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: And honestly, knowing that the pet sitters and dog walkers

815
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,199
of the world as well as I do, many of

816
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,599
them volunteer anyway, So it wouldn't be something that they

817
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:20,039
would be unable to do, especially if they take a

818
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,079
liking to a specific pet, you know, be a part

819
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,639
of that pet's adoption process, you know, if they're available,

820
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,039
if they're you know, maybe January February, when they don't

821
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,360
have a ton of people traveling, they can dedicate their

822
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:31,800
time to that.

823
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: So yeahs Again, it's finding.

824
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: And using those resources, leveraging the connections that we have

825
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,679
in the industry and the city, in the town that

826
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,159
we live.

827
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 3: How do you support adopters?

828
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: So I assume that because these shelters and rescues are

829
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,000
connected with you, they know your resources they're referring to you.

830
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,920
Do you find that a lot of these adopters actually

831
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,760
follow through and reach out?

832
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:57,559
Speaker 5: They do, and I think that it's kind of too prompt.

833
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,280
A lot of the shelters and rescues that we work

834
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,719
with know that we provide a lot of resources to adopters.

835
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,119
And one of the things that we offer any shelter

836
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:16,320
or rescue anywhere in the world, if they want to

837
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,079
support an adopter that has a separation anxiety afflicted dog,

838
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:25,360
we will give them a one hundred dollars discount on

839
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,840
Mission Possible. Mission Possible is one.

840
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: Hundred and ninety nine dollars regularly.

841
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 5: Which is lifetime access. We are in that platform every day.

842
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,000
People can post questions, post comments, they can ask all

843
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:41,239
sorts of stuff, and we respond to it three hundred

844
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,159
and sixty five days a year or so. Your people

845
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:47,480
aren't alone, adoptors aren't alone. So we offer that discount

846
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:49,800
to any shelter or rescue that wants to reach out

847
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,400
to us. They ask whether they want the adoptor or

848
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,880
repaid the ninetion dollars or the shelter wants to cover that.

849
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,400
You know, that's up to them, but so that's kind

850
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,840
of one place that I think anybody from an affordability

851
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,079
standpoint could.

852
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: Post absolutely and it's and it is and it's it's

853
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,320
one of those self guided but also guided courses. So yes,

854
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,480
let's rite at your pace and you do it when

855
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,679
you have the time, but you also have somebody to

856
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,599
guide you because this isn't you know, some training is

857
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:20,360
black and white.

858
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,519
Speaker 3: This is not this.

859
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: There's a lot of gray and separation anxiety. So you

860
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,000
want that support, which is amazing.

861
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then other organizations are like, let's let's give

862
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,119
this dog, uh, you know, one or more months of

863
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,360
one on one training.

864
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

865
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 5: And some of the adopters who are like, I want

866
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,320
to start out right, I'm just gonna go right in

867
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,719
and get one on one train and that's that's awesome too.

868
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,840
I have to say, as much as I really feel

869
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,639
strongly about getting that one on one training, so that

870
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,400
we don't continue to misstep.

871
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: It's easy.

872
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,639
Speaker 5: It's easy to misstep. The amount of success we see

873
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:06,559
through those dog guardians that go through Mission Possible is

874
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,880
pretty pretty outstanding. I want to make sure that people

875
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,440
know that, yeah, you might want to go through Mission

876
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,280
Possible and now like you get you know, a couple

877
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,159
weeks in and you go, oh, I have a question.

878
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Maybe i'll you know, maybe I'll just do a one

879
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,880
quick ad hoc half an hour or something like that

880
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,760
to ask some questions or ask questions within the platform.

881
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: We always ask you that, but if it's really specific to.

882
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 5: Their dog, their environment, we need to look at that,

883
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,519
you know. Just it's one of those things where I

884
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:42,840
feel like if I, if I, you know, passed away tomorrow,

885
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,840
I would know that there were a lot of people

886
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,880
out there that would be able to continue to thrive

887
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,760
with their dogs based on something that I have contributed

888
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,239
in that way.

889
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,039
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

890
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,199
Speaker 2: That is really special, And I think the building of

891
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,280
community for something like this is really important because a

892
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,519
lot of people have no idea what they're getting into.

893
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,199
They hear separation anxiety, they're like, oh, we can we

894
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,960
can handle that, and then they see the behaviors. They

895
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:11,199
become bigger because they mismanage it. Not on purpose, but

896
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,039
we don't know what we don't know. And then they're like,

897
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,800
nobody in my family gets it, and nobody in my

898
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,000
work understands why I can't go out after work because

899
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,000
I don't have a sitter nobody gets it, and then

900
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,079
they join something like or they find their way to you,

901
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,400
and then they join Mission Possible, and they see that

902
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,880
they're not alone and that other people have similar experiences.

903
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,199
Even though it manifests differently, it's still a community that

904
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,599
you can pound on and maybe share those lows and

905
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,119
those highs with that really gets.

906
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 5: It, really gets it. And I can tell you I've

907
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,760
been in I've been a guardian, and I have a

908
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,719
dog that suffered with separation. Things that in myself this

909
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,239
was ten years after I had already been specializing in

910
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:57,519
the behavior. But just having people that said, oh, I

911
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:59,360
know you can't meet us for dinner, why don't we

912
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,639
all come to your ho some brings in takeout.

913
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 3: Yes, because they get it.

914
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 5: They get it and as opposed to being like, well

915
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,239
you just can't, We're just going to exclude you kind

916
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:08,639
of thing.

917
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: Like you're spoiling your dog just laying and it's a dog.

918
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

919
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: So, when it comes to education for volunteers or workers

920
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,840
in the rescues and shelters, do you feel like there's

921
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,760
a huge need for education do you find that something

922
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,239
depending on, like I guess the funding of the shelter,

923
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,639
Maybe they have more education than others. Is it just

924
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,159
drastically different depending on where you look. How have you

925
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,760
found that kind of aspect of this, because education is

926
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,880
so important, especially from the top of the leadership in

927
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,079
shelters and rescues, it is.

928
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: Really quite varied.

929
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,079
Speaker 5: And I think those organizations that have someone on staff

930
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:57,079
or at least a volunteer that have good behavior background

931
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,280
tend to have much more understanding.

932
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 3: Got it. It's a little shocking to.

933
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:09,559
Speaker 5: Me that there's a large component of organizations that are

934
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:11,719
still like, put them in a crate and stuff a

935
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,039
Kong and it'll be fine, you know.

936
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,199
Speaker 3: And shout out to Kong. I don't know, sense there's

937
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,920
stuff exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, you have them

938
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,199
in a crate and they should be fine.

939
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:27,119
Speaker 5: And I just I want to get the message out

940
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:30,039
there that I am don't pay.

941
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: Me, I will educate you. I want to you don't know.

942
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,679
Speaker 5: That you can help and that there is hope and

943
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,840
that these dogs have tremendous ability to improve if we

944
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:45,320
approach their training and behavior modification in the right way.

945
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,039
Speaker 2: Okay, so help you help the dogs, because I imagine that

946
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,639
and I don't know. I've never spoken to anybody about

947
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,480
separation anxiety in terms of rescues and shelter specifically. But

948
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,960
is it a death sentence for some of these dogs

949
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:05,119
to be diagnosed with separation anxiety? And obviously, if the

950
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:08,960
shelters are gaining access to these resources, does that improve

951
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,400
their outlook a lot?

952
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Speaker 5: So the I'll answer part two before I answer for one, Yes,

953
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and it does improve their outlook a lot when when

954
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shelters and other rescue organizations have access to these resources

955
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:31,199
and understand that there are ways to devote their internal resources,

956
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,639
not always financially, sometimes not even at all financially, but

957
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,639
devote some resources time volunteers to getting this dog into

958
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:44,960
the right home, including things like screening for the right

959
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,920
adopter and counseling the adoptor, because saying to an adoptor, well,

960
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,119
he doesn't like being left alone is not enough, because

961
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ninety percent of them are going to say, oh, if

962
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I love them enough, he'll be fine kind of thing.

963
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Speaker 3: You know that, that's fine.

964
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: I work from home three days a week.

965
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:09,039
Speaker 3: It's cool. Yeah, I don't go out that often. Yeah.

966
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: They don't realize how often they're gone until they come

967
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,239
home and their door has been gnawed to like pieces.

968
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Speaker 5: Yes, big back. So that education I think is so

969
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,880
so important. I'll tell you know, years ago, there were

970
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,639
some local organizations that it was an automatic eth in

971
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Asia if a dog came in positive, you know, knowing

972
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,800
that the dog had some sort of separation really behavior

973
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problem or was relinquished for that reason. And then when

974
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we did this survey that we started in October, there's

975
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still a few people or a few people that filled

976
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out the survey, you know, some of them said, we

977
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,519
provide some sport, we do this, we do that. There

978
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:56,239
were still a handful that said automatic youth in Asia.

979
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And I really would like to get that education out

980
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,320
there because of.

981
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Speaker 3: Course I can't say that this would be for any and.

982
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:10,079
Speaker 5: Every dog right anxiety, but man, most of these dogs

983
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:16,159
that have this particular behavior problem are the most amazing,

984
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,159
amazing dogs that don't have a whole lot of, if

985
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:23,880
any other behavioral problems. And we'll just fix that whole

986
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,920
separation eddy pink elephant in the room, and then they're

987
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,239
like the easiest, most.

988
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:29,199
Speaker 3: Incredible lossy.

989
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, Yes, I mean, it's one of those things

990
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,719
where we can't fault them for wanting us near them.

991
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,239
We can't fault them for wanting to make sure that

992
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,519
they're going to survive our next outing. We can't blame

993
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:44,719
them for that, And it really comes from a place

994
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,599
where they just want to be safe, they want to

995
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:50,360
have stability, They just they want to that home, loving

996
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,559
home environment.

997
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: That's what they want.

998
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: So I'm happy to hear that it's changing.

999
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:54,719
Speaker 3: I am.

1000
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: It breaks my heart to think that a dog with

1001
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,599
separation anxiety would be an automatic euthanasia.

1002
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: I under stand that.

1003
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: There are extreme cases where maybe there are a danger

1004
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,320
to themselves and others. We see that with aggression, we

1005
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,119
see that with reactivity, we see them with a lot

1006
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,800
of different behaviors. That there are extreme cases, but it

1007
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,079
shouldn't be the norm. And speaking of these wonderful dogs,

1008
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:16,920
tell me, I know that it was teeny who had

1009
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:20,519
the separation anxiety. You had already been working in separation anxiety,

1010
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,480
but she kind of solidified this for you as your purpose.

1011
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:25,159
Speaker 3: How has her.

1012
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:29,079
Speaker 2: Aging now that she's fifteen affected her separation anxiety?

1013
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: Is it different? Does it look different? Is it less more? Yeah?

1014
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 5: I hope I don't start to like get ulterior because

1015
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:41,599
she's getting really up there and we're saying some considerable

1016
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:45,360
signs of aging, but in the last year or two

1017
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,960
it has affected her a long time behavior. And you know,

1018
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:54,360
I'm not surprised at all because think of it this way.

1019
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,480
This is going to be a very odd example. But

1020
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,079
my mother, who is in her eighties, years ago decided she.

1021
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:04,559
Speaker 3: Was not comfortable driving anymore.

1022
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:09,239
Speaker 5: She has brave vision, she's physically fit, she's can hear

1023
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,960
while you know, all the things.

1024
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: But she just as a result of aging, felt more vulnerable.

1025
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 5: And I am not I wouldn't anyway be surprised if

1026
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:24,880
as our dog's age, just like when we age, those

1027
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,800
little aches and pains and the little things that affect

1028
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,559
us do start to make us feel more vulnerable. Whenever

1029
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:38,880
there's vulnerability, there tends to be the potential for increased

1030
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,639
anxiety in certain situations.

1031
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it makes perfect sense. Again, it's I was listening

1032
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,480
to this doctor. She was talking about the human brain,

1033
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:52,559
and it really applies to most mam all mammals, and

1034
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,119
most animals that the brain is wired for survival and reproduction,

1035
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,599
survival and reproduction, survival and reproduction, whether you're.

1036
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:01,599
Speaker 3: Human, cat, no matter.

1037
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: And it does make sense that if they feel like

1038
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:09,119
their survivability is impacted by aches and pains by a

1039
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,000
reduced energy levels, that they would be a little more

1040
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,039
on edge. And I feel like that's gonna happen to

1041
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:17,840
all of us. I'm with your mom. I think that's

1042
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,039
a really great decision to make before it's you know,

1043
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,960
a problem. So I think it's really responsible, you know

1044
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:26,599
that that she made that decision.

1045
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:28,519
Speaker 3: I hope that. I wish more people did that.

1046
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,639
Speaker 2: But it really is one of those things where you say, like,

1047
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,000
I get the anxiety. The anxiety is that you're not

1048
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,920
able to defend yourself from predators, You're not able to

1049
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,920
defend for yourself as much. You know, you're just a

1050
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,159
little less able to care for yourself. In Teeny's case,

1051
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,199
she's tiny, so there's also that and she, you know,

1052
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,440
it's a little more on edge. And I love that

1053
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:55,239
you're talking about her her aging process because we always

1054
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:01,360
think about aging as arthritis, inflammation, blindness, deafness, but we

1055
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:07,679
forget that these behavioral slash mental health right. Canine mental

1056
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:12,039
health feline mental health conditions can also be affected by aging,

1057
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,840
and it's not just canine dimension dementia or cognitive decline.

1058
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,519
It's also an aggravation of a condition they may have

1059
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:22,239
had their whole life, So it's so important. And do

1060
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,000
you have like people in your practice that come to

1061
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:29,000
you not like maybe they didn't even know for twelve

1062
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,679
years that their dog had separation anxiety, and the aging

1063
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,159
has kind of made it more obvious.

1064
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: I do.

1065
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you I don't have the perfect answer,

1066
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:41,960
and I'll I can relate it to what's going on

1067
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,159
with TEENI right now. I mean, I think about it

1068
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:48,239
with Teenie and I think think about those times when

1069
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,880
I've been sick, like imagine having a migraine, Like you

1070
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,039
want your mommy or do you want your partner? Like yeah,

1071
01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:58,119
I think I'll think of it as seem like there's

1072
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:00,960
some of the lays who knows of what nature, but

1073
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:03,880
like I don't want to be alone because I don't

1074
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:10,079
feel right. And I think about Peenie and when in

1075
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,679
the last fewar or two as she has started showing

1076
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,920
signs of discomfort when left alone, I don't feel personally

1077
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:22,920
that I want to jump into a full on behavior

1078
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,559
modification protocol and try to help her learn to be

1079
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:30,840
alone successfully. I feel like these last months, years, whatever,

1080
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:34,119
I just want to support her in any and every

1081
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:39,760
way that she needs to be supported in her senior years.

1082
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,599
Speaker 3: And so sometimes this part when.

1083
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 5: Someone wishes out to me and their dog, let's say,

1084
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:48,440
is you know, starting to experience some cognitive dysfunction decline

1085
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,679
and they're like, oh, my dog's you know, twelve or

1086
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:56,440
thirteen or whatever, and suddenly they're whatever about alone time.

1087
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,519
It's hard for me because I want to be able

1088
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:05,000
to offer them some solutions, but I also want to

1089
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,000
let them know that maybe this last year or two

1090
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:10,840
that you have left with your dog would be a

1091
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,360
beautiful time to give them everything that they need.

1092
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:18,119
Speaker 3: It's been a gift to you. Let's give this gifts

1093
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,599
tenfold back.

1094
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:20,119
Speaker 5: You know.

1095
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,119
Speaker 3: Yes, I always give people the choice always, But.

1096
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,719
Speaker 5: For me, it's really hard to think about implementing behavior

1097
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,679
modification for separation related behaviors when I know that some

1098
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,400
of that is inspired by discomfort, pain and all the rest.

1099
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is such a great point, and I'm so

1100
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,360
happy you made that, because, like I keep saying, is

1101
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,280
we adjust for the incontinence, we adjust for the you know,

1102
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,159
we buy the extra expensive supplement for the joint pain

1103
01:03:56,239 --> 01:04:00,840
and inflammation. Sometimes we just need to adjust that all. Yes,

1104
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:07,119
exactly exactly, but we have to sometimes adjust for these behavioral, emotional,

1105
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,519
psychological things that are going on as well that are

1106
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:16,119
sometimes forgotten because there's no visible pain or no veterinarian

1107
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:19,239
telling you there's, you know, sixty percent arthritis in the

1108
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,880
hips or whatever, there's no way of really understanding it.

1109
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,000
But if you finally figure out that your fourteen year

1110
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,639
old dog is extra attached, it's just time to manage.

1111
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:31,199
Speaker 3: At that point, I agree with you.

1112
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, so how can my audience learn more

1113
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:38,239
about everything that you offer, all of your expertise? How

1114
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,840
many dog trainers have you even educated at this point?

1115
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,079
Where can they find a dog trainer near them if

1116
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,760
they want to find somebody who's, you know, certified by you.

1117
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:52,519
Speaker 5: Okay, well, feel free anybody, whether you are a dog guardian, paparent,

1118
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,320
whether you are a dog professional, a behavior consultant, a trainer,

1119
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,880
whether you are a VET, a veterinary behaviorist, a VETAC,

1120
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,400
just go to my website. There's a ton of free

1121
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:09,320
information there for anybody to use. The website is Melenadmartini

1122
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,920
dot com.

1123
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,159
Speaker 3: So I spell it or will be in the show notes.

1124
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,079
Speaker 2: I'll put it in the show notes, and I will

1125
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:16,920
put it in the video so that everybody can do.

1126
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 5: Thank you, that'd be great, And there are a number

1127
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:26,840
of ways that we can support individuals. Right now, I

1128
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,840
think i've I've sort of lost count, but it's over

1129
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:34,480
two hundred and fifty certified separation anxiety trainers that have

1130
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,159
have been have graduated in my program.

1131
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: We are all over the world.

1132
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 5: And we do all of our work remotely because guess

1133
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,880
what if I show up your house, that's not about

1134
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,440
leaving your dog alone. So everything we do is work

1135
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:55,760
with our clients remotely, five days a week typically, which

1136
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,760
is unheard of in our industry, but we ah. And

1137
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,320
you can go to my website and search by location,

1138
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:08,760
uh meeting a location from a time zone perspective because

1139
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:13,400
I want grapes, I'm yes, and also from a language perspective,

1140
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,599
so if you have a if you are not English speaking,

1141
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:20,639
there are a number of language opportunities of trainers and

1142
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:23,440
behavior consultants on the website, so you can search for

1143
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:25,559
a variety of different parameters.

1144
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your time for educating

1145
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,719
me and my audience. I love talking to you, So

1146
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,639
here's to you. Thank you for all you do for

1147
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:37,039
these beautiful dogs. They just want a little extra attention.

1148
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,719
Speaker 3: Thank you all. Cheers, cheers.

1149
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: I also want to propose the tost to my executive producer.

1150
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 3: Mark Winter.

1151
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark, and to our audience for joining us

1152
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,920
for these awesome conversations.

1153
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,719
Speaker 3: I hope that you took as much from this as

1154
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,840
I did. It filled my heart to talk to you, Milenna.

1155
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: Here's to a life covered in ted hair, because there's

1156
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:56,159
no better.

1157
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:56,559
Speaker 3: Way to live.

1158
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:57,199
Speaker 2: Cheers.

1159
01:06:57,559 --> 01:06:59,639
Speaker 3: I don't live to learn more.

1160
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:00,679
Speaker 2: About it in pet hair.

1161
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,679
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1162
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:04,880
radio dot com.

1163
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching, and I'll see you next time.

1164
01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:12,800
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