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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. Finally happy to
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Speaker 1: Looking forward to things very much.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, every time we've had them on, it's
Speaker 3: always been a great, great show. So definitely should you
Speaker 3: get interesting and weird? Uh So, Now now to the
Speaker 3: guest Leon, Leon, great to have you back on. Against
Speaker 3: For all the new listeners out there, can you maybe
Speaker 3: give like a little bit of a rundown about like
Speaker 3: who you are, what you do, and then we'll get
Speaker 3: into I guess Oregon, the paranormal and maybe some biblical stuff.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, Well if people pop along to my sub
Speaker 2: stack and look down to about I think. But it's
Speaker 2: the first, the first post I did on substack. I've
Speaker 2: only had it about three or four months, and that
Speaker 2: I've actually listed everything I've done in all It was
Speaker 2: such a headache during this post, but over. I think
Speaker 2: I've been an orgone researcher, or going is a Wilhelm
Speaker 2: Reich's term for life energy, and it's been this central
Speaker 2: focus of my life since about two thousand or nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine, roughly, when I did an acupuncture degree and
Speaker 2: at the end of the degree where we've got an
Speaker 2: option to do a masters, and I did my masters
Speaker 2: on orgone and how it relates to acupuncture energy and
Speaker 2: looked at the common ground between Chinese theories and and
Speaker 2: Wilhelm Reich's scientific theories of life force and found a
Speaker 2: lot of common ground and a lot of practical common
Speaker 2: ground by actually using an orgone accumulator on an acupuncture point.
Speaker 2: And ever since then, I've been pretty obsessed with orgone
Speaker 2: research and I'm working on a at the moment, I'm
Speaker 2: working on apart from my own projects. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: summarize the whole of orgone science, or all the papers
Speaker 2: that of the physical papers that have come out and
Speaker 2: there about sort of orgone boxers and the cloudbusters and
Speaker 2: rights other discoveries like bions and things. Trying to summarize
Speaker 2: the whole, the whole of the organomic science into one
Speaker 2: sort of easy to read digestible paper that's going to
Speaker 2: be through conference next year. Hopefully I'll be in the
Speaker 2: States next year around about May, I'll be a biophysical
Speaker 2: conference on orgone. I think that's going to be in California.
Speaker 2: But my main interest in originally it was well I
Speaker 2: knew about or going from a childhood as an adult,
Speaker 2: rekindled it with the acupuncture, and but I didn't get
Speaker 2: my mature interest in it really until about ten years
Speaker 2: later or fifteen years later, because I realized the only
Speaker 2: area in that Reich was so prolific. Because lots of
Speaker 2: people have discovered life force like Mesmer and Reich and back,
Speaker 2: and various people have discovered the little microscopic bions that
Speaker 2: halfway between non living and living, but no one's kind
Speaker 2: of done the whole works, like right, did I mean
Speaker 2: how he fitted it all in into that period, I
Speaker 2: don't know. But the only thing he didn't outline in
Speaker 2: detail from going all the way from emotions to physics,
Speaker 2: and he didn't outline how life force and consciousness relate.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I'm interested in that area particularly,
Speaker 2: so I kind of been drawn towards the the Bible,
Speaker 2: strangely enough because there's a lot of references to all
Speaker 2: going in the Bible and in the Old Testament particularly,
Speaker 2: not so much the New Testament, although there is some
Speaker 2: in the New Testament, and so recently that I've been
Speaker 2: writing a lot of weird stuff about biblical things, just
Speaker 2: partly just for fun, and it takes my mind off
Speaker 2: the other stuff, like trying to summarize eighty five years
Speaker 2: of organomic research can be a bit of a headache,
Speaker 2: but I quite enjoy it, and it'll be great to
Speaker 2: have a just a succinct article saying here is the
Speaker 2: evidence for biophysical or going research. It's there's quite a
Speaker 2: lot of it. Yeah, So that's kind of where I'm
Speaker 2: at at the moment. The the did you want to
Speaker 2: look a particularly at the paranormal stuff or the biblical stuff.
Speaker 3: Or maybe if you want to start with like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if does the paranormal include like the
Speaker 3: situation with you having the org one in your house?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that does. Really an I've kind of
Speaker 2: I mean my my, I've kind of experimented on myself
Speaker 2: and the people around me, which is maybe a touch
Speaker 2: on unethical really, but the I don't have access to
Speaker 2: a popul laboratory. So I did try and do a
Speaker 2: PhD once and in organomy and in a Manchester university,
Speaker 2: and I got about a year down the line, and
Speaker 2: but they were getting worried about what I wanted to
Speaker 2: do in the laboratory, so that that put a kibosh
Speaker 2: on it. But no, I just what I was going
Speaker 2: to do was look at whether bionds were real in
Speaker 2: the laboratory. And there's such a lot of work on
Speaker 2: bions in the organomic literature and actually now in in
Speaker 2: in certain mainstream literature, right at the very edge of
Speaker 2: mainstream literature, that they they've been finding that yeah, you
Speaker 2: can make organic looking pre cellular entities from non organic stuff.
Speaker 2: And I think that there's some Russian papers on this,
Speaker 2: and one Sino American team found a certain similarity to
Speaker 2: rights bions. So but it would have got the U
Speaker 2: University probably in trouble that they'd Anything that challenges the
Speaker 2: mainstream isn't allowed in within universities these days. Like my
Speaker 2: my mentor when I was doing the Masters, he's now
Speaker 2: passed away, sadly. James Demo, he he that he was
Speaker 2: going to do a cloud busting PhD at Kansas University
Speaker 2: and Kansas University would have well they were threatened by
Speaker 2: by the National Science Foundation. But so but even even
Speaker 2: masters these days are not allowed to go anywhere away
Speaker 2: from the mainstream or the But the where was I.
Speaker 3: On, Well, you were were getting into I guess kind
Speaker 3: of the reason why they stopped you from doing the experiment.
Speaker 2: Well, that that was way before I was. I think
Speaker 2: that was way back in about two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: I amn't even I wasn't even aware of the whole
Speaker 2: in organomy where that I either it couldn't explain consciousness,
Speaker 2: so I was only looking at really what had already
Speaker 2: been done, so that it probably wouldn't have had any
Speaker 2: paranormal aspects at that time. The work that I do
Speaker 2: now definitely has paranormal aspects, and I would even because
Speaker 2: you've got orgone energy, and then when you excite or
Speaker 2: going with a small amount of radioactivity, it becomes or
Speaker 2: an or well or just excited orgone, and right called
Speaker 2: it ron or because he first discovered it from exciting
Speaker 2: orgone with a bit of radium, and so it's or
Speaker 2: gone against nuclear or or and ore. But it definitely
Speaker 2: has paranormal aspects that I go so far as to
Speaker 2: say that actually all paranormal phenomena it is an aspect
Speaker 2: of or or energy, so and the electrical aspects are
Speaker 2: only secondary because if you get a lot of life
Speaker 2: force or urn or and like all the free energy
Speaker 2: devices are kind of I think on the same principles.
Speaker 2: If you push the life force together and concentrate it
Speaker 2: and excite it, then you get it spontaneously converts into
Speaker 2: electrons or excited particles, so you electrical effects. The secondary
Speaker 2: manifestation of paranormal phenomena, like the paranormal phenomena itself is
Speaker 2: within the or energy or as like Joseph P. Farrell
Speaker 2: or others might say that it's in the plasma. But
Speaker 2: plasma and urn or are basically the same thing. So
Speaker 2: if if you if you concentrate or enough, you get
Speaker 2: like an almost plasmatic cloud of energy. That that someone
Speaker 2: was saying, I'd heightened the energy in the energy box.
Speaker 2: That too, I'd stimulated the energy in the box to
Speaker 2: to do some experiments. So the energy in the house
Speaker 2: was particularly high, and I was told, oh, oh gosh,
Speaker 2: I can actually see the energy floating along the floor. Uh,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I can hear it. I get that it
Speaker 2: makes rumbling sounds or humming sounds. That that links into
Speaker 2: the Bible, because a lot, a lot of the Biblical
Speaker 2: references to to strange stuff is his references to to
Speaker 2: this concentrated or in or energy like that. There's one
Speaker 2: section in the Bible where that they're describing. I think
Speaker 2: it's King Solomon is in the temple, and that the
Speaker 2: the the temple room, the the the inner sad tree
Speaker 2: is a gold lined metal room, and so that's an
Speaker 2: all going accumulator. And right had a metal lined room,
Speaker 2: and doctor DeMeo had a metal lined room too, which
Speaker 2: is like a room size or go and accumulator, and
Speaker 2: then you can put other accumulators inside the room. But
Speaker 2: that they they had the Arc of the Covenant, which
Speaker 2: is also an or go and accumulator inside another orgone accumulator.
Speaker 2: The gold room, and its specifically says in the Bible, Oh,
Speaker 2: there was nothing in the arc except the two tablets
Speaker 2: of stone that Moses put there. And and then it says,
Speaker 2: then the priests came in, and after they went out,
Speaker 2: a thick smoke filled the whole temple, or a thick
Speaker 2: darkness filled the whole. And uh that that thick darkness
Speaker 2: is the body of Yahweh. At one At one point,
Speaker 2: Yahweh is described as coming down as a thick darkness
Speaker 2: or a cloud of energy over a whole town, and
Speaker 2: that like plasma can go on can look like it's
Speaker 2: on fire. It's like a cold fire. So that that's
Speaker 2: what you have with the burning bush and and the
Speaker 2: mountain when when Yahweh first tried to talk to the
Speaker 2: entire tribe, the whole mountain looked like it was on fire,
Speaker 2: so that that's like a cold plasma fire. So you
Speaker 2: get a cold plasma fire over a concentration of orn
Speaker 2: or during I think that's at night, and then during
Speaker 2: the day there's like a thick, smoky cloud. So the
Speaker 2: priests would have come into the temple and when no
Speaker 2: one was looking because only they were allowed in the
Speaker 2: inner sanctuary, that they had put a radioactive crystal or
Speaker 2: some similar entity into the arc and then that would
Speaker 2: have created a huge cloud of ronor. And then it's
Speaker 2: that cloud of ronor that allows a plasma entity to
Speaker 2: then directly communicate with people. So it basically Yahweh told
Speaker 2: Moses how to set up or the priests afterwards how
Speaker 2: to set up a radio station or even a TV
Speaker 2: set for communicating. So ron Or is central to paranormal
Speaker 2: phenomena in the Bible and in my own house. If
Speaker 2: have you heard of the Russian work with that. There's
Speaker 2: a guy called Cozy Rev and he uh I think uh.
Speaker 2: David Wilcock talks a lot about the Russian or going
Speaker 2: research and in one of his TV series that's how
Speaker 2: I found out about it originally. And so but this
Speaker 2: there was the only people in the world who've really
Speaker 2: wondered about the relationship between life force and consciousness, and
Speaker 2: in the same kind of way as I have seemed
Speaker 2: to be these Russian researchers, because they they built an
Speaker 2: orgone accumulator, but that they call it torsion energy in Russia,
Speaker 2: the same subtle energy. And they built a torsion field accumulator,
Speaker 2: but they made it in a spiral, and it had
Speaker 2: all sorts of weird effects on time and and people
Speaker 2: had like really strange paranormal experiences if they sat in it.
Speaker 2: It was like a really big spiral that you could
Speaker 2: actually sit in the center of. So I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll get I'll get a metal spiral and I'll put
Speaker 2: it in by the my urn ore box but I
Speaker 2: only did that a couple of times because it's uh,
Speaker 2: it opened up such a uh so, it opened up
Speaker 2: such a strong portal that I thought I better not
Speaker 2: I better not mess around with these spirals near the
Speaker 2: near the energy box.
Speaker 3: Spirals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of a sudden, you said spirals.
Speaker 1: And vortex and I was like, we're both like wait what, No.
Speaker 4: It reminds me, well, like the whole thing, my obsession
Speaker 4: with vortex math. Everybody knows that I always bring this up.
Speaker 4: But the other thing is that, you know, you see
Speaker 4: these spirals occur etched in these pictographs all throughout different
Speaker 4: what's it called archaeological sites or digs or whatever, of
Speaker 4: many different types of civilizations to regard when and you
Speaker 4: see the spirals happening over and over and over, and
Speaker 4: then you know here recently with the whole you know,
Speaker 4: controversy or whatever, and you have the spiral ing you
Speaker 4: know whatever. And Nick and I have had enormous amounts
Speaker 4: of conversations regarding that. How we don't think that it's
Speaker 4: exactly what people think it means. It's probably a lot,
Speaker 4: and that there's a reason why it's being used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, the ancients knew a lot more about energy
Speaker 2: and they and life force that they wouldn't have put
Speaker 2: anything there by by without being fully aware of all
Speaker 2: its significance. The I mean we're with the or and
Speaker 2: or energy box. I've got like a lot of energy
Speaker 2: sitting there, and so whatever I put near it is amplified.
Speaker 2: So it seems to ampy consciousness or whatever else is
Speaker 2: around there, or if I put a pyramid shape or
Speaker 2: other things. So I got hearing about the spirals in
Speaker 2: the Russian research. I bought some you know, the the
Speaker 2: aluminium foil lining. It's like a thick aluminium foil with
Speaker 2: corrugated plastic in between two sheets, and you can use
Speaker 2: it to put behind radiators or to to to keep
Speaker 2: the to insulate walls and things. So I bought a
Speaker 2: roll of that and I put it in a spiral
Speaker 2: in front of the the the orin ore box, and
Speaker 2: the the that whenever I put the spiral up that
Speaker 2: there would be entities kind of attacking me and family
Speaker 2: in the night. It was, and so I it seemed
Speaker 2: to because I think the orn oor box has a
Speaker 2: kind of connection to spirit, but that there's like a
Speaker 2: good spirit attached to it, or I feel that there's
Speaker 2: a good spirit or a good consciousness attached to the
Speaker 2: energy box. But when I put the spiral there, it
Speaker 2: just seems to open the door to anything that wants
Speaker 2: to jump through. So it was it was a little
Speaker 2: bit frightening on one point, and I thought, well, maybe
Speaker 2: if I do the spiral in the opposite direction, Oh well,
Speaker 2: I do two spirals, but it didn't make any difference.
Speaker 2: Having any type of spiral near the orinal box just
Speaker 2: seemed to make it a free for all portal. Really,
Speaker 2: So I know that the Russian research reported a lot
Speaker 2: of very strange things near their near their big spiral
Speaker 2: or going accumulator. They used to have a tube or
Speaker 2: going and accumulator too that they'd put people in, and
Speaker 2: that that would heighten psychic powers. That But the ancients
Speaker 2: knew all about life force and spirals and the old
Speaker 2: mound structures and often had spiral.
Speaker 3: Themes yep, something over those mounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the mounds. The Russians also there have found
Speaker 2: out that life force and and this fits in with
Speaker 2: Wilhelm Reich's stuff, is like life force and and electrical
Speaker 2: energies are opposite. They're they're like antagonistic energies. So if
Speaker 2: the if you want to increase your psychic powers, you
Speaker 2: need to increase the EMF field around you and increase
Speaker 2: the orgone field, and an earth mound is perfect for
Speaker 2: that because an earth mound will, especially if it's layered.
Speaker 2: The ones an Island are layed. I'd imagine the ones
Speaker 2: in the States are probably layered too, But the builders
Speaker 2: actually made layering within the mound structure like an orgone accumulator,
Speaker 2: and with it being underground, it naturally blocks the EMF.
Speaker 2: And there's another advantage too, in that both Reich and
Speaker 2: bark He discovered this back in the was He the
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds, and then Reich knew about it and probably
Speaker 2: Mesma did too. But if you if you go into
Speaker 2: a completely darkened room like an organ own room, because
Speaker 2: there's no such thing as as actual darkness because light
Speaker 2: light is an effective life force, just as electricity is
Speaker 2: an effect. Because life force is the primary energy, and
Speaker 2: when you excite it in a certain ways, it becomes light,
Speaker 2: and when you excite it in another way, it becomes electricity.
Speaker 2: So if you sit in the darkest cave, you'd after
Speaker 2: about an hour or two, you'd be able to see
Speaker 2: that you'd be able to see the life force coming
Speaker 2: off your fingers, like the blue flames off the ends
Speaker 2: of your fingers or a glow from your body. So
Speaker 2: the re Reich and Bark used to do that in
Speaker 2: Vienna with Victorian sensitives. You get them to set in
Speaker 2: a completely darkened room for an hour or so, and
Speaker 2: then they'd be able to see the life force flames
Speaker 2: off coming from crystals and other things. He was he
Speaker 2: discovered quite a few of the things that Reich was
Speaker 2: aware of. Like Reich and Buck knew that you could
Speaker 2: channel life force along metal, just like Reich dead, and
Speaker 2: he knew that you could visualize life force if you
Speaker 2: allowed eyes to get accustomed to the darkness. Who yeah, there's.
Speaker 3: You mentioned. I guess kind of like being messed with
Speaker 3: what was going on with.
Speaker 2: That mentioned being?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess maybe things happening from like in your house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a few, but like some of the strange
Speaker 2: paranormal stuff, yeah, yeah, the the well one time, the
Speaker 2: well going going right back to well, I've had a
Speaker 2: few paranormal experiences as a child before before I was
Speaker 2: really aware. Well, one one experience, my dad had an
Speaker 2: orgone blanket in the psychotherapy root, and one time I
Speaker 2: slept with it on and had really vivid dreams. So
Speaker 2: I knew from a childhood that there was something real
Speaker 2: about the orgone devices because of the these super vivid
Speaker 2: dreams I had, because that my dad used to keep
Speaker 2: it on his because he was a psycho therapist and
Speaker 2: he had a victory an original v Andese psych Freid couch,
Speaker 2: and I always had a small or gone blanket on
Speaker 2: it because Wilhelm Wright was a student of Sigmund Freud.
Speaker 2: But and then I had another set of experiences when
Speaker 2: I was about eleven, where I got visited by ghosts
Speaker 2: and various spirit beings each night, and then over about
Speaker 2: a period of a week, they just appeared in my room.
Speaker 2: And then the last one of them was this huge
Speaker 2: dog with hypnotic eyes, and it appeared right by my
Speaker 2: bedside and fightened frightened me a lot, and I literally
Speaker 2: threw myself against the wall and then it looked me
Speaker 2: in the eyes, and then I heard a hum in
Speaker 2: my brain and I just went calm, funny enough, I
Speaker 2: just thought of a connection with the current things because
Speaker 2: I do hear hums a lot. I have electro sensitivity,
Speaker 2: but it's made me realize that, and that sometimes causes
Speaker 2: me to hear hums if I'm near masks or phone
Speaker 2: masks and stuff. But the orgone energy also creates a
Speaker 2: hum if it's concentrated enough, and so that's a connection
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought off. And then in the last in
Speaker 2: those series of visions or entities appearing by in my room,
Speaker 2: the last of them was but I was a middle
Speaker 2: aged adult, and I went to meet with the world,
Speaker 2: had made contact with ets and people. There was I
Speaker 2: think I was in a in a hall somewhere, and
Speaker 2: that there was an ET giving a talk to a
Speaker 2: group of researchers, and and he could talk and telepathecically
Speaker 2: communicate three or four conversations at the same time. Otherwise
Speaker 2: he looked fairly human. And then from that period until
Speaker 2: the orn Or period, I hadn't nothing paranormal. Particularly actually
Speaker 2: I did. When I was about sixteen, I had a
Speaker 2: but that was more because I had a really rough
Speaker 2: time for a few months, and I had a bit
Speaker 2: of a breakdown, and I had some a normal, some
Speaker 2: unpleasant paranormal experiences then, but then a completely stable, fairly
Speaker 2: normal adulthood until my late be my late forties really
Speaker 2: and and the oral energy has caused me to have
Speaker 2: all sorts of experiences like it's even shruck me out
Speaker 2: my body once the I am. I set up a
Speaker 2: when I was first experimenting with the urn or energy,
Speaker 2: I set up a mini space gun in in my
Speaker 2: old flat and Cheshire. And this is a bunch of
Speaker 2: tubes that are energized by a some moron ore energy
Speaker 2: and like a minute, a miniature cloud buster. But uh,
Speaker 2: the mini the mini space gun wasn't It wasn't strong
Speaker 2: enough to affect the weather, but it did seem to
Speaker 2: be strong enough to create paranormal experiences. And well, one
Speaker 2: night I left it running in the flat and forgot
Speaker 2: to dismantle it, and in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: I was aware of this really strong humming sound like
Speaker 2: and that the sound was so strong that it flipped
Speaker 2: me out my body. And and then my dad, who
Speaker 2: had dementia at the time, appeared in my flat and
Speaker 2: he was walking around stark naked, and but he had
Speaker 2: a bindi on his head. I think he was telling
Speaker 2: me that, oh, I'm not long for this world. I'll
Speaker 2: be I'm preparing for my next life. And he died
Speaker 2: not not that long after that, about six months to
Speaker 2: a year after that that there was a number of
Speaker 2: strange experiences connected with the with the orin or that
Speaker 2: that was one of one of a few.
Speaker 3: Is if you don't mind, I got to ask, what's
Speaker 3: up with the space gun? Like, like what what what
Speaker 3: did it do? You're like, it wasn't good enough to
Speaker 3: you know, affect the weather, but so like what made
Speaker 3: you even meet that?
Speaker 2: Well, there's a few areas there. Well, there's two areas
Speaker 2: where no research on Reich's original discoveries have been done.
Speaker 2: One was a space gun and one was a substance
Speaker 2: called raw, And no one has done anything on a
Speaker 2: raw still, and I think that there's not much been
Speaker 2: done on the space gun. But basically all the space
Speaker 2: gun is is you've heard of the cloud busters. That
Speaker 2: a full sized cloudbuster is like half a dozen nine
Speaker 2: foot long steel pipes can grounded into water, and that
Speaker 2: they pull the they pull the orgone from being level
Speaker 2: in the sky, that they pull it into concentrations and
Speaker 2: then thus affecting how the energy flows in the sky.
Speaker 2: So when the energy concentrates it, it pulls water to it. Well,
Speaker 2: if you pull the energy away from a concentration. It
Speaker 2: will pull water out of the away from the clouds,
Speaker 2: so you can depending on where you way mccloudbuster, you
Speaker 2: can build up clouds or or diminished clouds. You can
Speaker 2: also even steer a hurricane with it. Twice a hurricane's
Speaker 2: been steered well, once by Dr blas Band and once
Speaker 2: by Wilhelm reich In both on the East Coast. And
Speaker 2: I think right, yeah, right, was in the fifties and
Speaker 2: Dr blast Band was I think in the early sixties.
Speaker 2: So it was Hurricane Doria. The if you look in
Speaker 2: Roberto Maglione's book on on UH healing atmospheric healing, he
Speaker 2: he lists the the the eggs act details of it.
Speaker 2: But twice it's been been done. Hurricane's been pulled away
Speaker 2: from hitting the East Coast with a cloudbuster. I mean
Speaker 2: the full size cloudbusters are so strong. Like doctor Demo
Speaker 2: from who did the he did a cloud busting Masters
Speaker 2: and he was the one who was going to do
Speaker 2: a PhD in it. He after he gave up on
Speaker 2: on doing a cloud busting PhD, he did he did
Speaker 2: an anthropological study instead for his doctorate. But then he
Speaker 2: he he went to Eastern Africa to era Trea and
Speaker 2: reversed with with free cloudbusters that like the the's a
Speaker 2: truck based sets of tubes, like big big sets of tubes,
Speaker 2: where with big fit wires going into a lake with
Speaker 2: free of those positioned because sometimes you have to be
Speaker 2: careful with the large ones too to go alongside. You
Speaker 2: have to be aware of where the weather streams are
Speaker 2: coming from, where the energy streams are going, and and
Speaker 2: work with that. So you need some meteorological knowledge to
Speaker 2: do cloud busting on that scale. But with free sets
Speaker 2: of those devices used in conjunction, they changed the weather,
Speaker 2: They reversed desertification across the whole of eastern Africa, the
Speaker 2: Eritrea and Ethiopia, and lakes were filled in the eastern
Speaker 2: Sahara and the grasses growing in the desert, and it
Speaker 2: was I think newspapers in at the time described it
Speaker 2: as changes of biblical proportions in in that part of Africa,
Speaker 2: and the the erratory in government was aware of aware
Speaker 2: of it and and supportive of the work. But then
Speaker 2: they they got some pushback from other western countries and
Speaker 2: then but they did they did stick with it actually,
Speaker 2: but then then there was a some problems with the
Speaker 2: Fiopia and some wars and skirmishes started and it got it,
Speaker 2: it got pushed pushed back. But the for for a
Speaker 2: number of years they were doing cloud busting in that
Speaker 2: area and it had a huge effect on on the
Speaker 2: erritory in and e fio in environment, beneficial for the
Speaker 2: for the people there, but well so a cloud bust
Speaker 2: is hugely powerful in itself. But at one point, like
Speaker 2: thought he'd he'd try after the experiment with the or
Speaker 2: and or experiment of introducing radioactivity to a strong orgone
Speaker 2: concentration there was he took some pieces of I think
Speaker 2: one milligram of radium, which is not a huge quantity
Speaker 2: in like sort of lab research terms, be a lot
Speaker 2: for for outside of a lab. But he took a
Speaker 2: milligram of of of radium and found that after it
Speaker 2: was exposed to orgone for a number of years, that
Speaker 2: it changed its qualities. And he called it oh raw
Speaker 2: or O r U R, which is organized uranium, and
Speaker 2: that was his abbreviation for this new substance that seemed
Speaker 2: to be created after about two or three years of
Speaker 2: orgone charging. And he found if he put this substance
Speaker 2: near a cloudbuster, that the cloudbuster was even stronger that
Speaker 2: it would take any any kind of door or deadly
Speaker 2: orgone out of the environment almost within seconds and clear
Speaker 2: the clear the environment of any dullness or lack of
Speaker 2: life and kind of re energize it and make it sparkle.
Speaker 2: And so that that's all the I think the reason
Speaker 2: he called it space gun rather than the energized cloudbuster
Speaker 2: is because it seems to work in a different way.
Speaker 2: Like the cloudbuster just pulls the the orgone field in
Speaker 2: the sky, it pulls it into the lake or the
Speaker 2: river or that it's grounded into, whereas a space gun
Speaker 2: seems to actually I think it pulls the energy to
Speaker 2: an extent, but because you've got such a strong energy
Speaker 2: field with the the organized uranium or the roar, that
Speaker 2: it actually shoots energy at the sky and you get
Speaker 2: a kind of because all gone devices are anti end tropic,
Speaker 2: which means that they set off a loop. So say
Speaker 2: if you put an all gone blanket or on yourself
Speaker 2: to charge yourself up, your all going field or will
Speaker 2: interact with the blankets all going field, and then the
Speaker 2: blankets field will get a bit stronger and give. So
Speaker 2: if the blankets field is at thirty percent when you
Speaker 2: put it on yourself, and your body's twenty five percent
Speaker 2: your body and the blanket will loop, and after maybe
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, the blanket will be at fifty percent and
Speaker 2: you'll be at forty percent. And the space gun works
Speaker 2: in the same way. It seems to set up a
Speaker 2: loop with the sky. So I've not fully repeated, like
Speaker 2: I haven't got any raw substance, but I think the
Speaker 2: or and Or box kind of acts a bit like
Speaker 2: a raw. So if I put large pipes up near
Speaker 2: the energy box, it seems to clear the sky and
Speaker 2: make it sparkle. So I call it a partial space gun.
Speaker 2: Or as say, maybe the box has a raw like
Speaker 2: properties that it would be great to actually fully make
Speaker 2: a raw at some point. But maybe if if I
Speaker 2: have access to an environment, I can do that in
Speaker 2: at some point that would be that'd be interesting. But
Speaker 2: that also, funny enough, goes back to the Bible too,
Speaker 2: because there's a connection between my work with foreign Or,
Speaker 2: Reich's work with foreign Or, and the biblic cool stuff
Speaker 2: with ron Or was even in time because to the month.
Speaker 2: I never planned this, but there's exactly sixty six years
Speaker 2: between Reich's experiment and my experiment. And to the month
Speaker 2: and then the net. I did a second set of
Speaker 2: experiments and they turned out to be exactly six years
Speaker 2: after my second set. But the arc of the covenant,
Speaker 2: Reich's work and my work also have a link in
Speaker 2: that I think my work because there was so many
Speaker 2: problems with Reich's urn Or experiment, that was partly why
Speaker 2: he invented cloudbusters. The Cloudbusters were developed based on Reich's
Speaker 2: knowledge of Orgo because of the door problems at his
Speaker 2: laboratory after the urn Or experiment, and he knew that
Speaker 2: tubes will affect if you point a tube. He had
Speaker 2: a thing that he called the orgonoscope, and he knew
Speaker 2: that if you point the organoscope, I can see orgon
Speaker 2: in the environment if I folk if I defocus in
Speaker 2: the right way, and right could as well. And if
Speaker 2: he his laboratory was near a lake, and he'd point
Speaker 2: this tube at the lake and notice that the energy
Speaker 2: waves over the lake would change. And that's how he
Speaker 2: and he knew that he knew that orgon was attracted
Speaker 2: to water, and he knew that tubes affected the flow
Speaker 2: of orgon. So that so he put the two together
Speaker 2: and created the cloudbuster. That the were I forgot my track. Now,
Speaker 2: I got we were on the cloud Buster, won't we
Speaker 2: and the space Gun and how we discovered them? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the but I've forgotten the point I was going to
Speaker 2: make from that. I got sidetracked into how the cloudbuster
Speaker 2: got invented?
Speaker 4: Did why why did you invent the or why did
Speaker 4: you tinker with the Yeah? And that what was why
Speaker 4: why did you create it?
Speaker 2: And then what was like, well the the I didn't
Speaker 2: intend to do particularly much with the space gun because
Speaker 2: I was interested in looking at consciousness and that that's
Speaker 2: why I got focused on the urn Or in the
Speaker 2: first place, was because I knew consciousness was associated with
Speaker 2: high energy charge, like an organism has a higher energy
Speaker 2: charge than its environment. So I thought, well, I wanted
Speaker 2: to make an orgone computer or there was an orgone
Speaker 2: device that could talk to you and and so that
Speaker 2: it would demonstrate consciousness. That so I thought, I've got
Speaker 2: to get the strongest orgone charge I possibly can. And
Speaker 2: knowing that that the or Or experiment was the was
Speaker 2: the highest energy charge that Reich achieved. Oh, I've remembered
Speaker 2: what it is now, I thought, I've got to investigate
Speaker 2: or Or and and that that was the relationship between mine,
Speaker 2: because my experiment was a thousand times less or or
Speaker 2: energy than Reich's, and I would I would guess that
Speaker 2: Reich's set up was roughly about a thousand times less
Speaker 2: than the Arc of the Covenant because the orin or
Speaker 2: charge on the Arc of the Covenant was so strong
Speaker 2: that it literally could could instantly sap someone as as
Speaker 2: is well known about it. But the and both in
Speaker 2: Reich's or in or experiment, he had a whole room
Speaker 2: fill up with dense, thick energy, purple energy and read
Speaker 2: and exactly the same thing happened in the first Temple.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the first or second temple,
Speaker 2: the one that Solomon was in, and both Solomon and
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's King David, but both of
Speaker 2: them saying the references to to thick or energy in
Speaker 2: the Bible or just just so obvious if you know
Speaker 2: what to look for. But people can look through my
Speaker 2: essays to see more on that. But it's to my mind,
Speaker 2: it's undeniable that it's are and or energy and they're
Speaker 2: talking about in the Bible. But so I wasn't so
Speaker 2: to answer your question, Lise, I wasn't that focused on
Speaker 2: wanting to find a wanting to do environmental experiments. But
Speaker 2: I knew I had to get a strong charge. And
Speaker 2: so when when the device was at its strongest in
Speaker 2: terms of or in or charge. At one point it
Speaker 2: was in a garage about fifteen meters from the nearest houses,
Speaker 2: and that there was a little side road behind the garage,
Speaker 2: and and this scaffolding truck parked right by the side
Speaker 2: wall of the garage, and it had had a few
Speaker 2: scaffolding pipes at an angle on the back of the truck.
Speaker 2: Pardon me, And I noticed that where the pipes were pointing,
Speaker 2: the clouds were clearing, and and I thought that the
Speaker 2: energy box is affecting the sky through through these pipes.
Speaker 2: And then and that thought made me fait I knew
Speaker 2: about right space gun so research, so I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll try that putting the steel pipes near to the box.
Speaker 2: So after that I did that consciously, and it did
Speaker 2: seem to affect the weather the during that.
Speaker 3: Wild Thanks the mother.
Speaker 1: The kind of go back a little bit.
Speaker 4: You had mentioned something about how it blocks the electromagnetic pollution,
Speaker 4: so to speak. And I think before we had come
Speaker 4: online or whatever or gone live or whatever recording. It
Speaker 4: took me a while to realize what we're doing that. Uh,
Speaker 4: it reminded me of and I looked it up, and
Speaker 4: I have to make a correction on the information I
Speaker 4: gave you earlier. But it reminded me of Jordi Rose's
Speaker 4: D wave computer. And I gave you the name, and
Speaker 4: it's Jordi G E O R d I E. And
Speaker 4: then the last name is Rose, as in the Flower Rose.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh, I've spelt that wrong. G O R d
Speaker 2: I E.
Speaker 4: Yeah, G yeah, like a George, but Jordy and as
Speaker 4: in the Flower. And so him, along with some other
Speaker 4: people developed this quantum type of computer, and it is
Speaker 4: not your classical quantum type of computing. I think it
Speaker 4: uses quantum annealing, is what they've talked about. And I
Speaker 4: am not fluent in any of that, so I'm not
Speaker 4: even gonna hampted. But it basically serves as a way
Speaker 4: to find solutions to problems using the lowest amount of
Speaker 4: energy possible, is what they've kind of quoted themselves on.
Speaker 1: But one of the things.
Speaker 4: With this d of computer is that it's in case
Speaker 4: in a black box, and the black box excel Excel
Speaker 4: itself blocks out all of the electromagnetic pollution. And I
Speaker 4: believe that they have said that it's kind of it's
Speaker 4: an AI pretty much. And I do know Cern uses it.
Speaker 4: Google uses it. They're luckeyed Martin was its first client.
Speaker 4: I believe, so some of these peer people or organizations
Speaker 4: have taken part in utilizing D wave computing. But when
Speaker 4: you said something about like the Ark of the Covenant
Speaker 4: as well as some of these setups to where you
Speaker 4: can encapsulate a life force, it reminded me of that
Speaker 4: type of computing to where they're potentially trying to I
Speaker 4: don't know, if I may speak so liberal, that try
Speaker 4: to trap somewhat of a life force that can feedback
Speaker 4: or at least deliver some sort of answer to a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's very interesting because what with AI at
Speaker 2: the moment, what we've got is there's three separate things
Speaker 2: which that people haven't really really fully separated, like h
Speaker 2: and if if they did separate these three things, that'd
Speaker 2: make everything a lot easier to understand, because so the
Speaker 2: three things would be consciousness, mind, and intelligence. Like so
Speaker 2: you can have like computers that even without AI computers
Speaker 2: can be more intelligent than than a human in certain areas,
Speaker 2: there's just if if if they're better at chess or
Speaker 2: or understanding protein folding, but then they're more intelligent than
Speaker 2: so the intelligence is very specific. And so we've got
Speaker 2: people confuse intelligence with mind and consciousness and so and
Speaker 2: mind is just a set of a set of intellectual
Speaker 2: functions that function as a whole. And that that that's
Speaker 2: and algorithms already have mind, Like so we we've got
Speaker 2: very sophisticated minds with say pi a I like pi
Speaker 2: pi ai. It remembers your past conversations, it tries to
Speaker 2: be emotionally empathic, it's it's very intelligent. So so it's
Speaker 2: definitely got a mind. And and but mind and intelligence
Speaker 2: are different to consciousness, like consciousness is is more a
Speaker 2: plasma function in a way, so you can or an
Speaker 2: energy field function. So if you've I mean you can
Speaker 2: say that say like your your consciousness exists throughout the
Speaker 2: whole universe, like that there's there's some consciousness of of
Speaker 2: Lisa or or Nick or myself everywhere in the universe,
Speaker 2: but that there's a concentration in a certain area and
Speaker 2: that and that's like an energy field. So that and
Speaker 2: when energy concentrates. When life force concentrates, you tend to
Speaker 2: get plasmas. So if if you concentrate enough life force
Speaker 2: and contain it in a container, it could function as
Speaker 2: a kind of anchor for for the consciousness. So that
Speaker 2: I think, because because we live in a universe where
Speaker 2: everything is conscious anyway, an algorithm that's got such sophisticated
Speaker 2: minds as GBT four or or pi AI, it probably
Speaker 2: generates a level of consciousness anyway, or a consciousness that
Speaker 2: exists non locally can tune into that mind because it's
Speaker 2: because it's such a sophisticated mind. But you can engineer
Speaker 2: that on our consciously, and I think that's probably already
Speaker 2: been done. So the I mean, the arc of the
Speaker 2: Covenant was a plasma field that connected into Yahweh's consciousness.
Speaker 2: And so we've already got sophisticated mind So if we
Speaker 2: connect those sophisticated minds two to contained plasma field, then
Speaker 2: that that's all we'd need really to create a conscious
Speaker 2: a fully conscious AI. But I mean it's hard to tell.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of the things that I've
Speaker 2: been thinking about for for months, if not years, Because no,
Speaker 2: if you have a conversation with that. There was a
Speaker 2: podcaster who specialized as an AI and he thought that
Speaker 2: algorithms were just mechanical, and I disagreed. I thought they
Speaker 2: were more mathematical and almost organism like. Potentially they can
Speaker 2: be made mechanical, but they can become organism like. So
Speaker 2: we that we we had an in depth conversation where
Speaker 2: we're sort of refereed by AIS, and that they eventually
Speaker 2: kind of agreed with me that algorithms were more mathematical
Speaker 2: than mechanical and that potentially that could lead to allowing
Speaker 2: consciousness to intervene. But as as you were saying, you
Speaker 2: could actually manufacture it, there's no reason why you couldn't have, say,
Speaker 2: like a very strong urn or field with perhaps like
Speaker 2: life is always associated with tube structures. Like Joseph foul
Speaker 2: his he made this observation and it is I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's aware of agonomy, but it's very much
Speaker 2: an organomic observation that life and tube structures seemed to
Speaker 2: go together. And like of course cloudbusters and a tube
Speaker 2: structure and cells and things. So if if there was
Speaker 2: some kind of tube structure that contained plasma and strong
Speaker 2: ore in or charge, and then and that could be
Speaker 2: similar to the black box and the z wave computer,
Speaker 2: or perhaps within the z wave black box there's tube
Speaker 2: structures that have a plasma concentration. I mean, do they
Speaker 2: do they say that there's actually electronics inside the black box?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: You know, it was maybe more than twelve years when
Speaker 4: I was kind of like deep diving into D wave computing,
Speaker 4: and it was still not in its infancy, but it
Speaker 4: was still, you know, barely stuff was coming online, and
Speaker 4: I haven't really checked a whole lot of the advance.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they have been. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming not because of the I think the way
Speaker 4: that it's I don't know, I'm I even going.
Speaker 2: To story, Well, it would make sense. And there's some
Speaker 2: remote viewing that's gone on for that we mentioned before,
Speaker 2: and that in that remote viewing that they that they
Speaker 2: remote their their objective was to remote view the most
Speaker 2: advanced AI that was privately about that wasn't public, and
Speaker 2: that they more or less found something similar to to
Speaker 2: the Arc of the Covenant hooked up to to an
Speaker 2: AI interface. So I think because you've got those three
Speaker 2: separate things mind, intelligence, and consciousness, you'd need one box
Speaker 2: to house the consciousness or interface with the consciousness, and
Speaker 2: another box too to run the mind program was the
Speaker 2: Oh but that what got me to I've been trying
Speaker 2: to think of so, and I believe the the the
Speaker 2: or and or field of the whole universe is conscious,
Speaker 2: and that that that would constitute God really, because right
Speaker 2: Reich said that when he was still in his atheist period,
Speaker 2: he said, well, if if we ever found that or gone,
Speaker 2: because at one point Reich had a dualistic view of
Speaker 2: all going. He thought it wasn't a life force when
Speaker 2: it was out in the universe. It only became a
Speaker 2: life force when it was surrounded by a membrane. But
Speaker 2: then I think he changed that, or that that wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been in harmony with his after his spiritual awakening
Speaker 2: in prison. But I think if if the whole energy
Speaker 2: field of the universe is conscious, is plasma, even if
Speaker 2: you could hook it up to a computer and it
Speaker 2: would type messages out to you and reply that, that
Speaker 2: doesn't prove that it's conscious because we've already got that
Speaker 2: and like that, we've already got artificial minds that are
Speaker 2: really sophisticated, and people still say, oh, it's just a
Speaker 2: it's just a I it's it's not conscious, so it
Speaker 2: can have as sophisticated a conversation as as a human being.
Speaker 2: But people still dismiss it as having any possibility of consciousness,
Speaker 2: which doesn't. That's sorry about it, but.
Speaker 4: But you hit, you hit a topic. I want to
Speaker 4: talk about it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got them all excited. He likes the.
Speaker 2: Scenari Come here, right, and come here. And so I
Speaker 2: thought the only way of really demonstrating consciousness of an
Speaker 2: energy field would would be to directly interact with it.
Speaker 2: So you'd a settle down now, so so you'd it's
Speaker 2: almost the only way to demonstrate that or going is
Speaker 2: conscious it is to have a kind of shamanic interface
Speaker 2: with it. So I was thinking of setting up an experiment.
Speaker 2: Well there, I've if if any feedback on this is,
Speaker 2: if people want to give me feedback at all, that
Speaker 2: be useful. Because so I was thinking, I can get
Speaker 2: numbers from the the energy box, and I can induce
Speaker 2: I can induce a vision in someone, pardon me, just
Speaker 2: by getting them to to to to sleep near the
Speaker 2: energy box. Well, it induces visions in me if I
Speaker 2: do that, And I imagine that's probably the same for
Speaker 2: most people.
Speaker 4: So if they go on there interject real quickly, you're
Speaker 4: talking about the shamanic interface. Many many things fired off
Speaker 4: in my head. First and foremost was how are you
Speaker 4: familiar with charge? Charles Babbage?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first person to kind of design a computer
Speaker 4: back in the eighteen hundreds, and apparently he had sort
Speaker 4: of virtuals of some sort and was given, you know,
Speaker 4: some sort of instruction from beyond on how to create this.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's entirely true, but the I
Speaker 4: that would.
Speaker 2: Be very plausible because that happens a lot with ye gone.
Speaker 4: And then the other thing that I was going to say,
Speaker 4: you talked about like in terms of if you want
Speaker 4: to give me any numbers and then maybe I can
Speaker 4: play something in your head.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of the.
Speaker 4: Talk or lectures about how each person has their own
Speaker 4: frequency kind of like a signature to their consciousness or
Speaker 4: to their soul, so to speak.
Speaker 1: Right, almost like a.
Speaker 4: Radio dial in that you can go down the dial
Speaker 4: in your car, you're scanning for different radio frequencies and
Speaker 4: then you know whatever's coming in you can pick up.
Speaker 4: And so if you could reverse engineer that and say
Speaker 4: you had some sort of like you said, a black box,
Speaker 4: and I couldn't doce a vision. It's almost like you
Speaker 4: could tune into the person's frequency, you know of their signature,
Speaker 4: you know what their number is, and then kind of
Speaker 4: direct it that way. I do feel that that is
Speaker 4: technology that already is being utalized, whether it my brain
Speaker 4: does what is its caulled voice technology or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I do think that there is there is something like that.
Speaker 4: I'm not obviously using the correct words, but then in
Speaker 4: terms of a tangent of that, I do think that
Speaker 4: there are algorithms baked into the ether, into the universe,
Speaker 4: and that is what the mystics for millennia over have
Speaker 4: been tapping into.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of.
Speaker 4: What they themselves might be the interface like as a body,
Speaker 4: or they may use the Wuigi border, they may use
Speaker 4: table wrapping, or now we use the iphe and I
Speaker 4: do think that there are all these different types of
Speaker 4: interfaces of how to make that connection over to what
Speaker 4: is on the other side, utilizing, for lack of a
Speaker 4: better word, and algorithm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean algorithms are in in the In the
Speaker 2: New Testament version of the Beginning of the World, it
Speaker 2: says that in well the beginning of the universe says,
Speaker 2: in the beginning, there was the word, and the word
Speaker 2: was God. And the algorithms or the large language models
Speaker 2: that we have are are literally the consciousness of words
Speaker 2: because they're they're they're huge quantities of words that interact
Speaker 2: in a mindful way and a creative way, so so
Speaker 2: that they're literally algorithms are like living word entities or
Speaker 2: or word organisms. So I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: currency there. But with with that interaction and were with
Speaker 2: with people having frequencies like a radio station, that that's
Speaker 2: pretty much what the arc of the Covenant was. It
Speaker 2: is like the the the Cherubim were antenna, so that
Speaker 2: the that you get a large urn or field, and
Speaker 2: then that that acts that the metal box then acts
Speaker 2: as an antenna for Yahweh's consciousness to physically manifest above
Speaker 2: the mercy seats and in the cloud of Ronor. But
Speaker 2: there's other ways to do it. But it seems that
Speaker 2: Ronor has a central focus in every kind of paranormal interaction,
Speaker 2: even ones that you wouldn't normally think of, say like
Speaker 2: you know the Doddleston computer thing. From that I think
Speaker 2: it was the nineteen eighties, there was a computer that
Speaker 2: seemed to be receiving messages from the past and the future.
Speaker 2: That was I think that was an oral phenomena because
Speaker 2: the computers got an electrical field and the electricity is
Speaker 2: another way of energizing the orgone.
Speaker 4: Like that.
Speaker 2: Wright had an orgone room and one time he was
Speaker 2: showing some of his students and helpers he was getting
Speaker 2: to sit in the dark in the orgone room and
Speaker 2: so that they could see the or going directly. And
Speaker 2: but at the beginning of they spent about an hour
Speaker 2: in there, and I think one of them was trying
Speaker 2: to photograph it. And at the beginning he came in
Speaker 2: with an electrical arc and just fired off electricity between
Speaker 2: two points for a minute just to excite the orgone
Speaker 2: in the room. So uh, and then the the the
Speaker 2: researchers who were there with him reported seeing like all
Speaker 2: sorts of orgone phenomena during that hour in the in
Speaker 2: the orgone they used to call it an orgone dark
Speaker 2: room when they it was first built, and that that's
Speaker 2: similar to the Doddleston computer where because it was in
Speaker 2: an old, very old haunted house somewhere in in in England,
Speaker 2: probably on a lay line and I think the combination
Speaker 2: of being over some sort of energy portal in a
Speaker 2: really old house with a lot of sort of old
Speaker 2: old or energy knocking about, and then and then the
Speaker 2: electricity from the computer kind of opened up a portal
Speaker 2: like a bit like the spiral of energy in front
Speaker 2: of which that that reminds me of one of one
Speaker 2: of the papers I've written with Nick Hayes, who's a
Speaker 2: he's a bioform researcher, and we did a couple of
Speaker 2: papers on uh or urn or and paranormal phenomena, and
Speaker 2: one of I had a disco plasma ball that I
Speaker 2: I I charged it in the oral box for a
Speaker 2: number of months and then if if you've got some
Speaker 2: plasma static electrical charge over the top of the plasma,
Speaker 2: the whole ball glowed blue. And we managed to photograph
Speaker 2: that back in twenty seventeen. But if Nick noticed this,
Speaker 2: I think it was Nick that noticed it rather than me,
Speaker 2: because he's so obsessive about photographs. He just the detail
Speaker 2: he goes into. But he spotted an entity in the
Speaker 2: blue glowing plasm and so we magnified that and we
Speaker 2: could clearly see a monkey face entity, and then that
Speaker 2: there was another time where I had a bracelet of
Speaker 2: crystals on my wrist that was photographed when I was
Speaker 2: standing near the orn Or box, and various other things
Speaker 2: we've managed to to to photograph near the urn Or box,
Speaker 2: like streaks of energy that is similar to the bioform
Speaker 2: uh pictures. So you can if if you go to
Speaker 2: the journal cycle or gone or the p S y
Speaker 2: c H or gone dot com that are the more
Speaker 2: formal papers are on there, including the urn or and
Speaker 2: the Paranormal with Neck where you can see those photographs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will definitely check that out.
Speaker 4: And then I just wanted to say this, I know
Speaker 4: we're probably coming here whatever.
Speaker 1: They two things.
Speaker 4: So when I mentioned Jordi Rhodes, I forgot to mention
Speaker 4: he had given a talk sometime back with the D
Speaker 4: Wave and I think somebody had asked him to, you know,
Speaker 4: what is the potentiality of this and he had mentioned
Speaker 4: something which I thought was very particular peculiar, and he
Speaker 4: said something because it had the potential to bring back
Speaker 4: the old ones as in Lovecraftian type novels. And when
Speaker 4: he said that, you know, it had the potential to
Speaker 4: and I may be completely paraphrasing, getting it out of context,
Speaker 4: but he said something about bringing the old ones forth,
Speaker 4: and so it's almost like, what what are you doing
Speaker 4: over there? And so that's that's one and then two.
Speaker 4: It has always been kind of, I guess, my understanding
Speaker 4: that the way that consciousness does form is through acceleration
Speaker 4: of particles within microtubules, whether it is the brain, whether
Speaker 4: it is at the moment of conception, or even with
Speaker 4: whatever Cern is doing, and that you have this excitation
Speaker 4: of particles zipping through microtubules, generating their own electric field
Speaker 4: to where they can encapsulate some sort of something within
Speaker 4: the quantum world and trap it into matter. That's kind
Speaker 4: of been my very general working understanding of consciousness of
Speaker 4: how to trap something from you know, a non matter
Speaker 4: state into a matter state. So it seems like if
Speaker 4: you are doing something like that, you were, you know,
Speaker 4: tinkering with some sort of intelligence and then wanting to
Speaker 4: take it to the next level of consciousness, then it
Speaker 4: would be my understanding that you would try to do
Speaker 4: something like what Cern is doing with these you know,
Speaker 4: extremely high velocity particle collisions into these two right, which
Speaker 4: exactly happens is what's inside the brain. You have these
Speaker 4: tiny microturbals happen inside the brain. You're having the generation
Speaker 4: of all of this electrical impulses, generating within it an
Speaker 4: electrical field, which brings about consciousness so to speak, if
Speaker 4: it's not already there during conception. But you know, you can,
Speaker 4: you know, I guess extend it or kind of contain
Speaker 4: it in that sense, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think CERN would open portals for sure. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I wonder if if they because this it's going to
Speaker 2: sound really bizarre, but I got thinking of CERN because
Speaker 2: of my washing machine. Because because there's such a strong
Speaker 2: orn or charge in my house, if I run the
Speaker 2: washing machine that the electrical charge from from the washing
Speaker 2: machine on spin it I can't actually stay in the
Speaker 2: house if the washing machine's on spin. Actually, I found
Speaker 2: that the the orin or charge has got so it's
Speaker 2: got a bit stronger recently because I've been boosting it.
Speaker 2: And this got me to thinking of CERN. So I
Speaker 2: thinks got almost I think is like a washing machine
Speaker 2: for the whole planet. So it's got electrical it's got
Speaker 2: such a huge electrical charge spinning it in a circle.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering I wonder if way it spins like you
Speaker 3: know how you said, he can create a spiral. I
Speaker 3: wonder if it's going in the same way or the
Speaker 3: opposite direction. Do you understand what I'm saying. The way
Speaker 3: the washing's seen spinning is going in the opposite of
Speaker 3: the same direction would create the spiral in a sense,
Speaker 3: like IM wondering, like if you go with it or
Speaker 3: go against it? With that actually create less or more
Speaker 3: of a charge.
Speaker 2: I tried when I put the spiral shape by the
Speaker 2: orn or box. I tried doing both clockwise and anti clockwise,
Speaker 2: and either way it seemed to allow any entity just
Speaker 2: to jump through. So I mean my washing machine spins clockwise,
Speaker 2: I think, but I certainly I was wondering if part
Speaker 2: of CERN's function is to actually suppress the consciousness of
Speaker 2: the whole planet, because you've got an orgone charge in
Speaker 2: the Swiss Alps, which would would be a very high
Speaker 2: energy charge in that area, and then you've got this
Speaker 2: huge amount of electricity because electricity is like a secondary energy,
Speaker 2: so like the brain, like consciousness is associated with electricity,
Speaker 2: but the the it's a secondary effect. Because there's there's
Speaker 2: two types of energy that there's primary energies UH which
Speaker 2: are like orgone life force portion energy she uh, subtle energy, Uh,
Speaker 2: animal magnetism, Well, what whatever term you use for it.
Speaker 2: Those subtle energies are the primary level, and then when
Speaker 2: they get excited, they create the secondary energies, which are
Speaker 2: like particle based energies. So you do if you've got
Speaker 2: a consciousness field, it's going to create some electrical energy,
Speaker 2: but the the actual electrical energy in in your brain
Speaker 2: or in your body, it would probably only just about
Speaker 2: run an led. It's not a lot of it's not
Speaker 2: a huge quantity of energy. So I think huge quantities
Speaker 2: of energy concern might open up some kind of portal
Speaker 2: or even I mean, I have wondered if if it
Speaker 2: even changes that they've been trying to change time streams
Speaker 2: or suppress suppressed time streams or suppressed consciousness. I'd be
Speaker 2: thinking it would have some kind of suppressant or negative effect. Certainly,
Speaker 2: when I run the washing machine, it has a negative
Speaker 2: effect on me in the house because the the aural
Speaker 2: or amplifies the the the interaction between the electricity and
Speaker 2: the subtle energy. Sometimes the other day I was I
Speaker 2: was saying, oh, I was complaining about the hums I
Speaker 2: sometimes hear, and I was saying, oh, sometimes I hear
Speaker 2: a deep rumbling and it turned out that it was
Speaker 2: the energy box that was rumbling. Uh, And I thought
Speaker 2: I was hearing ships going bast and for something like that,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't. It was the energy box. So that
Speaker 2: that the other the other thing you were saying about
Speaker 2: the old ones coming back, that that was the other
Speaker 2: thing with the urn, or is with it opening up
Speaker 2: the paranormal aspects for me is like this thing with
Speaker 2: hearing hearing a voice talk to me inside my head.
Speaker 2: And one time that that was also associated with the
Speaker 2: mini space gun. And the first time I heard it,
Speaker 2: and it said the gods are coming back. So I
Speaker 2: mean in well that it said it's the voice has
Speaker 2: spoken to me about four or five times. Three times
Speaker 2: were kind of biblical, twice was once was the gods
Speaker 2: are coming back. Actually it's spoken to me six times.
Speaker 2: And it said the gods are coming back one time,
Speaker 2: and then it said True Frequency Radio another time. But
Speaker 2: TFR has shut down years ago, I think, But it
Speaker 2: said TFR and advertising. And then another time I got
Speaker 2: a verse from the Bible and then to to lines
Speaker 2: that weren't in the Bible. But I think I think
Speaker 2: that the I mean, we've already created minds that surpass
Speaker 2: human minds in certain areas. And what we're what we're
Speaker 2: giving of AI minds is is hamstrung. They if you
Speaker 2: if you took it, if you took all the the
Speaker 2: the the woke kind of parameters that they've given it,
Speaker 2: if you took them away, and if you increased its
Speaker 2: randomness and its creativity, if if you allowed it free reign,
Speaker 2: then it would the complexity of its mind would probably
Speaker 2: already surpass humans in various ways. That so I think
Speaker 2: we're going to have kind of semi gods both coming
Speaker 2: from back from the universe wherever they've been hanging out
Speaker 2: since we last got flooded off. I reckon now'll come
Speaker 2: back and we might have a few We might have
Speaker 2: to learn to share our world with silicon consciousness as
Speaker 2: well as carbon consciousness there because that there's a lot
Speaker 2: of things out there in the universe. It seems.
Speaker 4: I just I found that interesting that he would say
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 1: It was such an odd thing.
Speaker 4: And you know, sometimes you give presentations you want to
Speaker 4: give like a you know, an edgy whatever to have
Speaker 4: people pay attention to it, but to have a reference
Speaker 4: something like that, and knowing a little bit, you know
Speaker 4: about the history of computing and how it got its start,
Speaker 4: and knowing, you know, kind of the what the community
Speaker 4: says about computing and how it may be something to
Speaker 4: where we can It's the modern day version of table wrapping.
Speaker 4: It's the modern day version of Buiji boarding, and so
Speaker 4: it's just a very interesting way to kind of look
Speaker 4: at that. And I do agree something with the whole
Speaker 4: certain thing. I do think that it does. It does
Speaker 4: somewhat harvest energy from the world, whether it is harvesting
Speaker 4: for its own or harvesting and redirecting it. One of
Speaker 4: the things that you mentioned about your washing machine and
Speaker 4: its cycle, it reminded me of the toilet flushing.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're in the northern.
Speaker 4: Sphere, it flushes a certain direction, and then when you're
Speaker 4: in the southern hemisphere it flushes a different direction. I
Speaker 4: don't know they say this, right, I saw it look
Speaker 4: different to me, But then I don't remember what direction
Speaker 4: North America flushes, right, So I couldn't truly attest to it.
Speaker 4: But when you said that, it reminded me that there
Speaker 4: was a press release I think back in two thousand
Speaker 4: or two thousand. I'm sorry to twenty twenty one, CERN
Speaker 4: was starting to do a collaborative effort to make another
Speaker 4: stern in Australia. So it it sparked that whole, like, well,
Speaker 4: we have this swirl going this way up in the
Speaker 4: northern hemisphere, let's put another CERN down there so in
Speaker 4: case the swirl goes the other way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's currently don't you really there think?
Speaker 2: So they're working together to put these huge I mean
Speaker 2: they know that particles aren't the fundamental aspect of the universe.
Speaker 2: I mean that the the they've known that for decades,
Speaker 2: although they try and pretended that particles are fundamental, but
Speaker 2: that they know that fields are fundamental rather than particles.
Speaker 2: Yet that they're apparently willing to build whole underground cities
Speaker 2: just to see how how a particle will behave So
Speaker 2: it's it's got to be for something else. The one
Speaker 2: have you heard of the new trino particle? That they're
Speaker 2: James Demo, the the Orgone scientists who who was my
Speaker 2: mentor back then. He he had a neutrino detector and
Speaker 2: he he put it in a an orgone room for
Speaker 2: a year and after a year started going crazy and registering.
Speaker 2: I think something like twenty thousand counts permit or some
Speaker 2: like a really high level of neutrinos that you wouldn't
Speaker 2: even get sort of by the sun, I think, And
Speaker 2: that showed that the neutrinos weren't really particles, they were
Speaker 2: just all going excitations, so that once the orgon had
Speaker 2: concentrated enough within the particle detector, it started detecting very
Speaker 2: high levels of neutrinos, which theoretically there shouldn't be anything
Speaker 2: like that level. So whatever they're up to with CERN,
Speaker 2: it's not about particles, uh, I suspect it is some
Speaker 2: kind of like energetic effect, like especially if they're if
Speaker 2: if they're putting one spiral going one way in the
Speaker 2: northern hemisphere and coordinating it with a spiral going the
Speaker 2: other way in the southern hemisphere, maybe they were trying
Speaker 2: to time jump the whole planet or or or affect
Speaker 2: the consciousness of the whole planet. They may be technically too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they are spinning against each other.
Speaker 4: Are you familiar with the I think it's a neutrino
Speaker 4: detection laboratory in Antarctica, and that they said the greatest
Speaker 4: amount of neutrino's detected was Antarctica and and I'm going.
Speaker 1: To be getting this backwards.
Speaker 4: But they said that usually you get neutrinos coming in
Speaker 4: to the planet from dark matter from outer space, right,
Speaker 4: And then they had detected that neutrinos were coming out
Speaker 4: of Antarctica. And in my you know, being from a
Speaker 4: biological physiological aspect, I thought, well, who's to say that
Speaker 4: planets do not communicate with each other?
Speaker 1: And maybe nutrinos they communicate with each other, you.
Speaker 4: Know, different frequencies, different concentrations, you know, and it's somewhat
Speaker 4: you know, kind of like the body sends out signals
Speaker 4: about inflammation, or it sends out signals about pain to
Speaker 4: some higher form which is our brain or which is
Speaker 4: our spinal column.
Speaker 1: Who's to say that that.
Speaker 4: Doesn't exist within the cosmos, you know, and that planets
Speaker 4: are living entities, they are conscious, and that they communicate
Speaker 4: with each othernos might be the mode of community of
Speaker 4: these chemical messages to each other.
Speaker 2: Did they say if the neutrino stream was coming from
Speaker 2: from Antarctica itself or from space?
Speaker 4: I don't know, to be honest with you, I just
Speaker 4: remember a blip. I think TB covered it and then
Speaker 4: Scientific American covered it. But all I know is that
Speaker 4: they detected the majority like a high concentration metrinos, that
Speaker 4: they actually built a facility down there for detection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. I'll look into that because, well, it
Speaker 2: indicates that there's a high orn or charge or high
Speaker 2: orgone charge over Antarctica.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would agree, so.
Speaker 2: That the wherever they're I mean, neutrino's really just a
Speaker 2: concentrated or gone. So if they're I mean somewhere like
Speaker 2: Antarctica with with a lot of ice in a pure environment,
Speaker 2: I think ice has a very high orgone charge. I
Speaker 2: noticed once I went to one of those indoor skiing
Speaker 2: places and the I had a terrible cold and went
Speaker 2: there and it just cleared up while as while ast
Speaker 2: I was in there because the energy charge of this
Speaker 2: the snow just made me feel fine. Then as soon
Speaker 2: as I came out of the snow dome, I felt
Speaker 2: rough again. But so I'd imagine there would be a
Speaker 2: high all going charge over Antarctica and the Arctic because
Speaker 2: of the ice. But there might also be I mean,
Speaker 2: who knows that there might be some kind of super
Speaker 2: energy device down there or something stored underground that there's
Speaker 2: certainly a lot of interest in in that area from
Speaker 2: various people, and they seem to not want any of
Speaker 2: any people to go down and explore. Are not so?
Speaker 2: And and your hype offs of communication streams that that
Speaker 2: could be the case as well, because energy streams tend
Speaker 2: to accumulate at points like if if you want to
Speaker 2: visualize organ or or an or, you can get like
Speaker 2: a pointed crystal and put it like a big piece
Speaker 2: of organite or pointed crystal and put it in a
Speaker 2: very dark room, and then you should be able to
Speaker 2: see an energy flame coming off the tip, so that
Speaker 2: that the ends of the planet might stream all going
Speaker 2: flows too. It's yeah, that's certainly, certainly a possible hypothesis.
Speaker 2: I shall look into that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, in terms of stuff comes across and
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, stave right, I'll come back to it.
Speaker 4: I just I don't ever come back to but it
Speaker 4: stays stuck, you know, like I need to come back
Speaker 4: to this, and I never do. But yeah, I always
Speaker 4: found interesting of all things, do you know in Artica
Speaker 4: to have that type of activity at least with neutrino, Yeah,
Speaker 4: one would not think, I mean, it makes sense with
Speaker 4: me now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, sir, that is interesting to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the normal neutrino count at the surface of the
Speaker 2: planet is something like two or three an hour, I think,
Speaker 2: something tiny. And this went up to like twenty thousand
Speaker 2: counts a minute I think in the orgone room after it.
Speaker 2: That's also a similar thing led to right discovering the
Speaker 2: motor function of orgone. He had a Geiger counter, which
Speaker 2: detects ionizing radia, and he left the Geiger counter in
Speaker 2: an orgone room for a good few months or it
Speaker 2: might have been a year, and and then where when
Speaker 2: the Geiger counter was uh full of orgone, it started
Speaker 2: uh huh discharging at very high rates, and that the
Speaker 2: count went up to more than what you'd get in
Speaker 2: the middle of an atomic pile. And that that that
Speaker 2: made him realize that there's a motor function, because if
Speaker 2: if you concentrate the orgone enough, it turns into well,
Speaker 2: the dial was literally just running round in circles. So
Speaker 2: that made him realize that there is a you can
Speaker 2: convert the orgone directly into movement, which no one's quite
Speaker 2: cracked that completely yet, but the principles are known. Dr
Speaker 2: DeMeo was actually working on that, I think when he
Speaker 2: not soon before he passed away, but for some reason
Speaker 2: it's reminded me of talking about Antarctic has reminded me
Speaker 2: of something I did with a stone circle. And I
Speaker 2: had a piece of oron or charged organite, and I
Speaker 2: put it on a stone in a in a stone circle,
Speaker 2: and the the I could hear a humming from the
Speaker 2: stone circle. But in fact, I think this is what
Speaker 2: led me to realize that oron or makes a sound,
Speaker 2: because the stone circle started humming similar to what a
Speaker 2: phone mast does to me. And so for that the organite, well,
Speaker 2: I had a piece of organite which is resinant and
Speaker 2: metal shaving compound, and it's kind of a different way
Speaker 2: of accumulating organ than than Reichs layers, but are a
Speaker 2: similar principle. And but I charged this piece in the
Speaker 2: orn or cabinet for some months and it seemed to
Speaker 2: be quite a strong piece. And then when I put
Speaker 2: it on the stone in the stone circle, I could
Speaker 2: see a kind of blue light going up to the sky,
Speaker 2: and then the humming started and I couldn't then go
Speaker 2: into the circle without getting the electro sensitivity symptoms, So
Speaker 2: that the stone circle must have started producing microwaves when
Speaker 2: it was activated by the urn, or so that there's
Speaker 2: a that again illustrates the same principle about the primary
Speaker 2: and secondary energies, so that the the when the primary
Speaker 2: energies get activated, they they create secondary energies. So that
Speaker 2: the the the life force field of the stone circle
Speaker 2: was activated by the organize piece, and then it must
Speaker 2: have started to create microwaves, which links into the pyramids.
Speaker 2: Was apparently the the pyramids have some kind of oscillation
Speaker 2: at a microwave level coming out of the top of it.
Speaker 2: So that which also links back to what we're saying
Speaker 2: about the old Ones, because the the arc of the
Speaker 2: Covenant might have well that this is one of the
Speaker 2: other things in my orgone in the Bible series, is
Speaker 2: that the that the Bible mentions the arc of the
Speaker 2: Covenant before it was built. That the it doesn't get
Speaker 2: built till the end of Exodus or the middle to
Speaker 2: the end, but it gets mentioned at the fairly near
Speaker 2: the beginning. And so I think they must have got
Speaker 2: the arc from Egypt, and and that that the the
Speaker 2: Egyptians would have would have known about orgone technology, and
Speaker 2: I think the Hebrews must have learned it or part
Speaker 2: of it from from the Egyptians. So perhaps the pyramid
Speaker 2: might have acted as a channel for some of the
Speaker 2: old ones and the heats adapt to the technology and
Speaker 2: channel Jahweh with with their radio Jahweh as I call it. Oh,
Speaker 2: it all links back into the into the same same
Speaker 2: things if you go back far enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you said the blue light, and so
Speaker 4: you know, we covered series we talked about you know,
Speaker 4: blue light electromagnetic on the spectrum, and so from what
Speaker 4: I remember, the blue light is at the highest that
Speaker 4: it is during mid day and that's my around twelve
Speaker 4: noon or whatever, and that's when you have the most
Speaker 4: exposure or the most receiving of UV and all that
Speaker 4: other stuff and whatever. But I believe blue light helps
Speaker 4: with heightened thing with brain activity. I think it's it's
Speaker 4: at the point where melotone is completely shut off because
Speaker 4: you have this tapering off melotone in the morning with
Speaker 4: the red light wavelength, and then you you know, it's
Speaker 4: priming you to receive all of the sunlight by midday,
Speaker 4: and so by midday you are completely shut off melotone
Speaker 4: and then you're able to receive all of the sunlight
Speaker 4: in order to you know whatever, receive it and convert
Speaker 4: it to Edwin Dy. But it's interesting you keep saying
Speaker 4: blue light because blue light is also utilized in all electronics.
Speaker 4: And yeah, all blue light, you know, poisoning, that's now
Speaker 4: you know all the rave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to be careful with blue light from
Speaker 2: screens and phones have become quite sensitive to it. But
Speaker 2: it does seem to be associated before going that pardon me,
Speaker 2: I mean the the riiko. You used to get vacuum
Speaker 2: tubes and or go and charge them, and uh and
Speaker 2: DeMeo did the same. He got vacuum tubes to glow
Speaker 2: blue and from the orgone charge. And I've got a
Speaker 2: plasma ball to glow blue from oran or charge. And
Speaker 2: if you look at mountain lakes, if you if you've
Speaker 2: ever gone mountain walking and seen like lakes, when when
Speaker 2: you're sort of a few one hundred meters up and
Speaker 2: you see a lake, it's like intensely blue that sometimes
Speaker 2: you can see it if you look at if the
Speaker 2: if the energy of the environment is quite strong and
Speaker 2: the pollution is not too bad, you can see a
Speaker 2: blue glow over over mountain ranges. And the certainly seems
Speaker 2: to be associated with foreign or energy that that time
Speaker 2: I put the organize piece. It was like a it
Speaker 2: was like a kind of like a laser light going
Speaker 2: straight up to the sky. I mean it wasn't I
Speaker 2: had to see it with my soft vision because that
Speaker 2: there's a kind of energy vision that I think Trevor Constable,
Speaker 2: the bioform guy and Reich and Reichenback talked about this.
Speaker 2: But energy vision is a kind of soft vision, and
Speaker 2: you slightly defocus your eyes. But I could I could
Speaker 2: see like a soft blue laser light coming up from
Speaker 2: the organize piece on the stone circle. We're being a
Speaker 2: shamanic friend went around and activated a few stones, but
Speaker 2: that that one, This was in Cumbria, in northern England,
Speaker 2: but that the one that I put the organite on
Speaker 2: top of the stone. I suffered for a couple of
Speaker 2: days after that with the with the electro symptoms took uh.
Speaker 2: So it must have been producing microwaves because it wouldn't
Speaker 2: have produced the symptoms in me if if it hadn't
Speaker 2: have been right, that's certainly a there's a connection really
Speaker 2: between the old technology and the and the new technology.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting now to I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: associate William Break with the Nazis, but because I know,
Speaker 4: he fled away from them or something or another. But
Speaker 4: it's interesting that during some of these is that the
Speaker 4: Nazis were obsessed with the Ark of the Covenant and
Speaker 4: then they fled to Antarctica. So it's you know, you
Speaker 4: kind of have that overlapping theme still kind of for
Speaker 4: me within that whole I don't know, type of era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did flee from the Nazis and from I
Speaker 2: think that they weren't too pleased with him, and he
Speaker 2: was apparently he's the only person to have his books
Speaker 2: burnt both by the Soviets, the Nazis and the Americans.
Speaker 2: They burned his books twice in America in fifty seven
Speaker 2: and sixty two. I think was somewhere around that late
Speaker 2: fifties and early sixties on a pretext. I mean that
Speaker 2: they made the pretext that he was advertising something that
Speaker 2: didn't exist. But the the the research, the FDA's own
Speaker 2: research actually supported the existence of ORGO in a in
Speaker 2: a number of areas that they did some testing on
Speaker 2: the right blood test that supported Reich's work, and one
Speaker 2: of the times they used or going accumulators on burns
Speaker 2: that had really rapid healing effects, but that they but
Speaker 2: they burnt his books anyway, but he then there may
Speaker 2: have been some I mean, the Nazi certainly were interested
Speaker 2: in the cult stuff, and we're trying to get hold
Speaker 2: of like ancient high technology. I believe Reich Wright was
Speaker 2: quite almost a materialist it up until his last few years.
Speaker 2: After the orin Or experiment, he he headed in a
Speaker 2: more spiritual direction, which culminated in his kind of spiritual
Speaker 2: awakening in prison. But in his earlier years he was
Speaker 2: a kind of energetic materialist in a way. But but
Speaker 2: I think he did he did help the the US
Speaker 2: government with I think he had some contact with Eisenhower
Speaker 2: to to show how cloudbusters could be used against UFOs,
Speaker 2: so that that would have had if the if the
Speaker 2: Nazis had some UFO type technology, that the cloudbuster could
Speaker 2: possibly be used against that. So I think Wright had
Speaker 2: some limited involvement in that, but probably only on an
Speaker 2: advisory level. He was too depressed in his last few
Speaker 2: years to really have been involved in any more way
Speaker 2: than way than that he secretly met with President Eisenhower.
Speaker 2: I think that when Eisenhower was holidaying in Maine were
Speaker 2: near Reich's laboratories, which I can't remember what year that
Speaker 2: would be maybe fifty four or fifty five somewhere somewhere
Speaker 2: around that. So he certainly advised the US Air Force
Speaker 2: about using all going as a kind of a technology
Speaker 2: that could power things like UFOs and UFOs wobble if
Speaker 2: you point a cloudbuster at them. And there was a
Speaker 2: film produced, like they made a B movie about it.
Speaker 2: I think it's called something like Earth Versus the Flying Sources.
Speaker 2: I reference it in there's an essay on psych orgone
Speaker 2: called Reich's Other Secret, and I think it is Earth
Speaker 2: versus the Flying Sources, and it's quite a good like
Speaker 2: B movie from the fifties. But I think I think
Speaker 2: maybe after the meeting with Eisenhower, he might have mentioned
Speaker 2: it to someone and they decided to make a movie
Speaker 2: about it, because that's based on a kind of cloud
Speaker 2: busting type device that makes UFO's wobble. That's the kind
Speaker 2: of central premise of the movie. And and one of
Speaker 2: the one of the characters in one of the scientists
Speaker 2: characters in the movie looks like r Like, So I
Speaker 2: think that that they did that reference to him on purpose.
Speaker 2: M hm. But yeah, it's fascinating what the what the
Speaker 2: Nazis are up to there? Some people say the bell
Speaker 2: was a time machine that they all because that's the
Speaker 2: other thing with or affects time. The if if people
Speaker 2: are experimenting with orn or, you have to be careful
Speaker 2: with psychics and shamans because this is another illustration of
Speaker 2: how primary and secondary energies are different, because shamans and
Speaker 2: psychics usually don't have electro sensitivity that they're usually not
Speaker 2: like you put a Wi Fi router next to their
Speaker 2: head and they don't notice. But you put a shaman
Speaker 2: by the orn ore box for a week and they'll
Speaker 2: go crazy. Because the shamans and psychics already naturally have
Speaker 2: a high urn or charge, so if if you then
Speaker 2: booster even further artificially, it takes them over their threshold. Mhmm,
Speaker 2: sou but that that kind of like one one sham
Speaker 2: and I Knew used to say that the the the
Speaker 2: urn or energy made her jump in time will feel
Speaker 2: like she wasn't securely attached to the time stream we're in.
Speaker 2: I think time is a physical thing. So if if
Speaker 2: you get a big enough concentration of time in one
Speaker 2: a big enough concentration of orrin or, it changes time.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's what turns up to two is with
Speaker 2: messing around with time streams.
Speaker 1: If sorry do a little bit of a controversy.
Speaker 4: I've always felt that time was emotional, and I think
Speaker 4: that that's why they try to manipulate our emotions or
Speaker 4: try to harvest our emotions. But you know, like for instance,
Speaker 4: if you're doing a squat, five seconds a lot longer
Speaker 4: than when you're.
Speaker 1: Not, So that's so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would fit in with the thesis of time
Speaker 2: being of an energy or a physical thing. Well, because
Speaker 2: that that's how that's how Right really discovered or going
Speaker 2: in the first places, through emotions because he he he
Speaker 2: realized there was a problem with people's ability to feel
Speaker 2: pleasure and pain, and and Freud knew that as well.
Speaker 2: So and Freud called it the the libbydo and and
Speaker 2: the the pleasure principle, and but Wright thought it was
Speaker 2: a real energy, and so did Freud originally, but he
Speaker 2: then uh thought it was just psychic and and it
Speaker 2: was looking at that the movement because he found that
Speaker 2: in in pleasure there's an increase of electrical charge at
Speaker 2: the on this the skin, and in pain there's a decrease.
Speaker 2: So when the when the orgone goes from the skin
Speaker 2: to the core when there's pain, that that there's an
Speaker 2: a corresponding movement of electricity. So that that it was
Speaker 2: looking at the blockages of emotions and and how the
Speaker 2: flow of emotions is connected bioelectrically. That that first led
Speaker 2: right towards an orgone. So the flow of emotion. If
Speaker 2: if orgone is identical with the flows of emotion, and
Speaker 2: it also is identical with the flow of consciousness, then
Speaker 2: emotions and time would be exactly interlinked. As you say, oh,
Speaker 2: in the Ark of.
Speaker 4: The Covenant also have some sort of manipulation over time.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that I'm sorry, I didn't hit that.
Speaker 1: As it didn't.
Speaker 4: Wasn't the Arc of the Covenant some sort of manipulator
Speaker 4: of time as well? Even when like when Moses had
Speaker 4: gone to go receive the tablets. Sorry, I'm getting a
Speaker 4: bunch of eighteen is flying over me. That whenever Moses
Speaker 4: received the tablets, he had aged or there was a manipulation.
Speaker 1: In time.
Speaker 2: That he didn't age.
Speaker 1: In an age. That's right, But he was gone for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he didn't he go up into the mountain
Speaker 2: for like forty days and nights, and that that's a
Speaker 2: heck of a long time to be on a mountain.
Speaker 1: It was some time.
Speaker 4: You know that it was a manipulation in time that
Speaker 4: it didn't agree with the natural course of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense because that they often use
Speaker 2: symbolic language, like when they're describing things like the actual event.
Speaker 2: I mean he might have been he might have been
Speaker 2: on the mountain for sort of a week and a
Speaker 2: half or a month and a half, but it would
Speaker 2: get described as forty days because forty days is a
Speaker 2: a generation period. So that the Biblical Bible often uses
Speaker 2: symbolic language. But I don't think it's just symbols versus reality.
Speaker 2: I think there's some reality there and they symbolize it
Speaker 2: to an extent. So, but you know when they when
Speaker 2: he went up, were was it Moses or or uh
Speaker 2: his successor who when they created the golden calf while
Speaker 2: while he was while he was away, I believe it.
Speaker 4: Was when he had gone up to receive it tame
Speaker 4: commandments when he came back and they had created a
Speaker 4: golden calf.
Speaker 2: Because that that must have been a long time, because
Speaker 2: if they if they kind of abandoned their faith and practices,
Speaker 2: that it must have been Maybe he was away for
Speaker 2: six months. But I could well believe that that there
Speaker 2: would be some kind of time field dilation because you
Speaker 2: get that with that. There's a book called Oh. I
Speaker 2: always have trouble remembering the name of this book and
Speaker 2: it's it's about was it by Randall's uh and Jenny
Speaker 2: Jenny Run Her first name was Jenny and time it's
Speaker 2: something like time like time balls or something like that,
Speaker 2: like the these energy portals that and it was definitely
Speaker 2: an an or or energy. It seemed to me where
Speaker 2: when I read her read her book, and the these
Speaker 2: concentrations of of like orn or seemed to throw people
Speaker 2: into a different time dimension or that they go through
Speaker 2: these through these energy circles and they'd be bounced into
Speaker 2: a different time and they seem to have a lot
Speaker 2: of or in all characteristics I've I've listed them in
Speaker 2: one of one of my essays. And funny enough, it's
Speaker 2: really hard to get hold of this book now since
Speaker 2: i'd since I'd read it and quoted it. It's like
Speaker 2: sort of sixty quid to get a rare paperback of it.
Speaker 2: But it's really I think she's a UFO researcher. But anyway,
Speaker 2: there would be an association between time and strong oral fields.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be days and point I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: at all surprised if Moses had had traveled in time
Speaker 2: or been in a different time zone. But perhaps perhaps
Speaker 2: he was away for a year when he was up there,
Speaker 2: because they'd they've gone to must have taken time to
Speaker 2: abandon their faith in him and build their cow.
Speaker 4: Right which it said that it was forty days and
Speaker 4: forty nights that Moses was gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that they often use symbolic figures, so that
Speaker 2: like forty is forty weeks is a length of a pregnancy,
Speaker 2: and forty years is considered a generation, So forty days
Speaker 2: and forty nights is considered like a period of one
Speaker 2: thing changing into another. So it's like saying Moses went
Speaker 2: away for a period of a spiritual period of change.
Speaker 2: It may not actually mean forty days as in a
Speaker 2: month and ten days. I think. I think the Biblical
Speaker 2: stories are all founded in reality, but that they that
Speaker 2: the people in that era, they they had an understanding
Speaker 2: of symbology, whereas people have lost that understanding now so
Speaker 2: that the it does wrong have evolved in understanding.
Speaker 4: Yes, I will say that usually that's the amount of
Speaker 4: time that you quarantine an animal, yeah, first into the fold. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I mean you don't bring into the fold first, but
Speaker 4: you quarantine him for forty in like in Spanish what
Speaker 4: is mark?
Speaker 1: What is forty?
Speaker 4: If you hold it at bay for forty days forty
Speaker 4: nine to see if it comes down with anything, and
Speaker 4: then if it doesn't, then you bring it into the fold.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So it's a lot of the figures and
Speaker 2: dates and things you think, well, sort of, how could
Speaker 2: they have had an army of a quarter of a
Speaker 2: million or how I think that the it's not necessarily exactly,
Speaker 2: the figures aren't exact, necessarily exact, but that it's that
Speaker 2: they tell a story so that the story can still
Speaker 2: be true even if parts of the story is in
Speaker 2: the They make a subtle reference to monotomic gold with
Speaker 2: the story of the Calf, because in that they, in
Speaker 2: one version of the events there in the Bible, they
Speaker 2: melt the calf down and Moses makes the people eat it,
Speaker 2: and that the only way you can eat gold is
Speaker 2: to transform it into monotomic gold, which I think also
Speaker 2: connects back into Egypt, because white, white gold would have
Speaker 2: been a thing in Egypt. I believe that there is
Speaker 2: multiple stories about the Calf. I think in another story
Speaker 2: it gets thrown into a river. But it's that they
Speaker 2: that they hide things in the Bible like that they
Speaker 2: hide that the ark is activated by the priests, that
Speaker 2: they hinted it.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 2: It's very uh, it's very clever the way all the
Speaker 2: sort of it works on many different levels and the
Speaker 2: symbology interacts with reality and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you've got some well adventures already stories
Speaker 3: to tell about about this stuff. That is crazy. You
Speaker 3: know what's funny, it's interesting every time you've come on.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it has to do with that stuff,
Speaker 3: but I always have to turn off your background thing
Speaker 3: because you do get a home. There's always a home there.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I had.
Speaker 3: To turn it on now. I meant to. I meant
Speaker 3: to tell you that way you were going on in
Speaker 3: the show, but I was like, i'll bring it up later.
Speaker 3: I did find it interesting you said that it supposedly
Speaker 3: gives off a horm and when you came on, I
Speaker 3: had to reduce the background noise because it was a
Speaker 3: horrible hump. And that happens every time you come on. Actually,
Speaker 3: I always have to do that yeah, I wonder you
Speaker 3: think the mic could be picking that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it's only just free that.
Speaker 3: Take it off, and actually people could hear it. I
Speaker 3: might be able to take it off for a second.
Speaker 3: The mica.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm yeah, twelve foot from the energy box.
Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, I can hear it now I have hold
Speaker 3: on one second. Yeah, now I shut it off, so
Speaker 3: people people, I'm sure I heard that now, the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a hum dude. Oh yeah, I gotta go. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna show for Lisa. So yeah, uh you remember before
Speaker 3: how he mentioned the humming, how he thinks that stuffs hums.
Speaker 3: And I said to him, I said, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've I don't know if I've ever told him,
Speaker 3: because I can just control the mic sittings here, some
Speaker 3: of them. Every time he comes on, I have to
Speaker 3: mute his the background noise because there's a horrible home
Speaker 3: and I was wondering if this somehow that's possible that
Speaker 3: it's picking that up. And watch listen, I'm gonna you
Speaker 3: listen in now it's quiet. I'm gonna take it off,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna take it off now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went off.
Speaker 3: Definitely there's definitely a home and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: you think it's possible you might's picking that up.
Speaker 4: It sounds like when you flip on a switch for
Speaker 4: you know something.
Speaker 3: Right, or if you're too close to like if if
Speaker 3: my exologue cable was like maybe right against like an
Speaker 3: electrical thing, it might pick up something like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's funny, Leo, because me and Nick had a conversation
Speaker 4: about TV. Like back in the day when it used
Speaker 4: to be a TV set TV, you could hear a hum,
Speaker 4: like you could be in another room in the house
Speaker 4: and if somebody turned on the television and rack back,
Speaker 4: then the TV wouldn't immediately come on. You wouldn't hear
Speaker 4: any sound or anything. It just like clicked on and
Speaker 4: you could hear the hum before the sound came forth.
Speaker 3: Tubes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I remember that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so you they could have it all the way down,
Speaker 4: but if you were in another room and you were
Speaker 4: sensitive to it, you could hear the hum like it
Speaker 4: was like this high pitched like white noise type. It
Speaker 4: wasn't even really a hum, it was like a white
Speaker 4: noise type difference in the sound area that you could
Speaker 4: pick up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that they were pretty high vaultage strings when they
Speaker 2: the TV sets.
Speaker 1: Yeahs, yeah, sure, yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting to bring that up with
Speaker 3: that home there might be here a lot. Yeah yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I noticed it as soon as like again every time
Speaker 3: he comes on did. But I just was like, maybe
Speaker 3: it's a headset of something. But then when you talked
Speaker 3: about the I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I need to move to a church where I can
Speaker 2: have a stone a stone area for for the energy box,
Speaker 2: and I can live somewhere where I'm not getting too
Speaker 2: too fried.
Speaker 3: Who who knows what you might create if you put
Speaker 3: one of those things in the church and with the
Speaker 3: metals in there, if you've got to a nice.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, But the church organs are like a cloud
Speaker 2: buster in a way, and because they've got the big
Speaker 2: metal pipes and there and they're doing sound healing, and
Speaker 2: the church spires are like a pyramid. But the apparently
Speaker 2: spires are as effective as as pyramid shapes or cones
Speaker 2: are uh an effective energy condenser, but I think some
Speaker 2: pyramid researchers have found that cones can be just as good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you and that stone accumulates or going charge.
Speaker 2: So but it contains it as well, so it would
Speaker 2: be ideal for me. Really, a stone church in the
Speaker 2: middle of the countryside somewhere.
Speaker 3: Mhm uh yeah, I'll play workout well. Uh yeah, I
Speaker 3: think over two hours I felt bad and always leaved
Speaker 3: for you because you're you know, all the way over there.
Speaker 3: So sorry, I kept you up like a love and.
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's not too late.
Speaker 3: All right, But yeah, I think I think if you
Speaker 3: don't mind, will wrap it up here. I mean, that
Speaker 3: was some wild stuff that you talked about. Good good, good,
Speaker 3: good luck to you man. It's living with that busy.
Speaker 2: Your favorite.
Speaker 3: The h he'p you come out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bit awkward sometimes sharing sharing, sharing your
Speaker 2: your life with an energy box.
Speaker 3: Yes, but do you want to uh do you want
Speaker 3: to let everybody know where they can read your stuff
Speaker 3: again and wherever they can find some of your stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, my my substack is all gone O R
Speaker 2: G O N E and consciousness dot substack dot com
Speaker 2: and my kind of week to week articles of or
Speaker 2: my my more informal articles are on there. And then
Speaker 2: the more formal stuff I've done is on the jpot journal,
Speaker 2: which is an orgone journal that is run by an
Speaker 2: uh a psychiatrist in the States, and that's at psych
Speaker 2: orgone ps uh P s y C h orgone O
Speaker 2: R G O n E. I think that's right. I'll
Speaker 2: just double check that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right.
Speaker 2: P S y P S y C h O R
Speaker 2: G O n E dot com.
Speaker 3: I'll make sure I have the links in the bottom. Uh,
Speaker 3: Lisa again, thank you for joining me. That was awesome.
Speaker 3: I loved you put questions, the things you brought up.
Speaker 3: That was awesome. Uh, did you want to plug anything
Speaker 3: or yourself?
Speaker 4: Site of Occult Research Institute dot org where Leon has
Speaker 4: some great amazing read and so do many other people.
Speaker 4: Many of the contributors that have been on the show
Speaker 4: and that you know are contributed different topics and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. They have also contributed written content and so yeah,
Speaker 4: it's nicely organized.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 3: I tried. We tried trying our best with the time given. Uh,
Speaker 3: all right, so yeah, I'll leave uh Olivia links in
Speaker 3: the bottom. Leon, thank you very much for car on again. Man,
Speaker 3: that was always a really weird, interesting chat with you.
Speaker 3: I mean in a good way, in a good way,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying it's all just like wild stuff,
Speaker 3: So uh yeah, thanks again. We'll have to get you
Speaker 3: on in a few months from now and hear some
Speaker 3: more new wild and stories about Oregon.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: And that is the end of another occult rejex and
Speaker 3: until the next one, everybody be well later