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Okay, 11 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,560 James Lindsay, I've had him on the program, I've quoted 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:47,320 his work extensively for years. Self described anti communist, the line, 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,640 the issue is never the issue, The issue is always 14 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:55,600 the revolution. I mentioned this last hour. I've mentioned it 15 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:59,719 many times over the past few years. I first heard 16 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:03,320 of this line from James Lindsay, but he was quoting 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,159 somebody else, and I forget who that original person was. 18 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:09,040 I'm I'm sorry, I forgot, but he did tell me 19 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:13,560 who it was. I forgot who it was though. But 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,079 he's got a write up today about this Ice shooting 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,959 and what's really going on. This is a this is 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,159 a this is an outcome of a larger operation. Okay, 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,359 and you see it, and once you can once you 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,640 see it, you can't unsee it. And that's where I'm at, 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,359 whether it's the tent to fada right or it's the 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,000 hands up, don't shoot stuff. By the way, I saw 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:44,840 the Heritage Foundation, one of their scholars was talking in 28 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:48,120 an interview about how the Black Lives Matter movement apparently 29 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:53,400 got seated with some millions of dollars from Hugo Chavez 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,920 years before we saw the street fights. 31 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: And the BLM movement emerge. 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,599 Speaker 2: Hugo chab has died what a decade ago or less 33 00:02:03,879 --> 00:02:09,240 little almost a decade ago. The point was to foment 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,599 dissent and street violence and protests. It's a destabilization effort. 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,400 And this is right out of the Soviet playbook. 36 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 37 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,039 Speaker 2: They they had a play They had a list of 38 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,960 things that they when you know, when the when the 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,319 Soviet Union fell and we got all of this information 40 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:34,400 out of the Kremlin, when they published all of these 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,360 secret files and reports and stuff. We know what they 42 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,680 were doing. And by the way, our government does this 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,960 through the Color Revolutions and the State Department. You foment 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:53,080 dissent against the against the ruling regime. So let me 45 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,759 go over to James's write up. Minnesota has provided us 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,280 with yet another good example of the communist and radical 47 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,520 principle of your target's reaction is your real action. 48 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:08,439 Speaker 1: I mentioned this in the last hour as well. 49 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: The action is to induce the reaction, which is a 50 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:17,680 key strategic tactic. For many months, Ice and other federal 51 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:20,840 law enforcement, not to mention Trump himself, have been made 52 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,080 out to be the kinds of tyrants that have to 53 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:27,680 be stopped at almost any cost, including by reckless citizen 54 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:33,000 actions like obstructing law enforcement, resisting arrest, throwing things. 55 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,039 Speaker 1: At police, etc. Et cetera, et cetera. 56 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: All of it is framed out in ridiculous false narratives 57 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:43,280 designed to come true at the moment of crisis, at 58 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:46,800 which point they will then seize control of the narrative 59 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:53,080 to drive specific pre planned action. Right, you foment the discent, 60 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:57,280 the disruption, the violence. Then when you get the reaction, 61 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:00,919 you then claim victim. My god, I can't believe they 62 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:02,759 did this to us. 63 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: Here's what we demand now. 64 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: In this case, the false narratives are not just about 65 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:12,120 the status of federal law enforcement and ICE, but also 66 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:15,919 about their alleged unwillingness to work with or coordinate with 67 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:19,639 local and state police who have behind the scenes been 68 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:24,040 ordered to be non compliant, if not softly antagonistic. Right, 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,360 we just heard this very thing from Tim Walls the governor. 70 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,199 Christy Nome at Homeland Security has pointed out that the 71 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:37,199 governor and the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, that they 72 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:43,600 have refused to cooperate with ICE, and now they're demanding 73 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:49,720 cooperation from ICE, right, so they refuse to cooperate. That 74 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,879 allows them to paint ICE as the villain. This is 75 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:59,519 called operational preparation of the environment. Operational preparation of the environment. 76 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,399 In the unrestricted or political warfare environment in which radicals 77 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:08,040 today do their work. The model they are using is 78 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:14,079 called reflexivity. George Soros has described it in his terms 79 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,800 as shoelace dialectic. This is their theory of change. This 80 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,160 is how do we go about overthrowing Western society, overthrowing 81 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:28,360 free market capitalism. How do we go about doing it? Reflexivity, 82 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,639 You sort of create this environment, you prepare operationally, prepare 83 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,639 the environment so when the spark occurs, you are then 84 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,639 able to take advantage of that and destabilize. The goal 85 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,680 is always to create antagonistic situations between citizens who can 86 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,720 be framed as fighting a noble anti oppression cause, and 87 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,720 ice who can be framed as engaging in unwelcome oppression. 88 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,959 By ordering local and state police to be uncooperative, not 89 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,399 only do the operations fall more heavily on federal law enforcement, 90 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,639 but also several other things are achieved, Like locals can 91 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,199 be led to believe that federal law enforcement is operating 92 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,680 outside the bounds of the more local law against the 93 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,279 wishes of their state and locality, which they are led 94 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:22,800 to believe hold sovereignty. You just heard Tim Wall say 95 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,439 that too. We believe in states' rights. 96 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:26,439 Speaker 1: Right. 97 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:36,319 Speaker 2: This is the frame through which these protesters, demonstrators, observers leftists, agitators. 98 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,879 This is what they view this issue through. This is 99 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:46,720 the lens that they are using. Because they are led 100 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,800 to believe the Feds are operating outside the bounds of 101 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:56,319 the local laws. This generates a conflict between the supremacy 102 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:02,360 clause and the Constitution and state law enforcement, and citizens 103 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:05,199 are led to believe that that renders the federal law 104 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,279 enforcement officers out of line. That's why I keep bringing 105 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,680 this back to this idea that they do not want 106 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:15,040 the federal immigration laws enforced. And you heard Mike in 107 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:17,000 the previous hoary called in and said, no, no, no, 108 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:17,959 it's the way they're doing it. 109 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: No, it's not it is not. See. 110 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: I will not be gas lit by people who either 111 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,439 don't understand what is occurring here or are actively part 112 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:32,240 of what is going on here. Local and state police 113 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:38,519 are not usually openly antagonistic. That thereby creates an illusion 114 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,319 of resistance to the Feds, and they cannot actually fulfill 115 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,839 because of their roles shifting responsibility than to the activists 116 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,800 to the citizens right. So local and state cops can't 117 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:56,759 be openly antagonistic because that would create this obvious image 118 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:04,360 of nullification, so they all fload that onto the activist crowd. 119 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:07,800 Circumstances where local citizens are believed to be on the 120 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,759 side of the rightful law against oppressive alien law and 121 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,199 may expect diminished or no consequences for resisting the alien 122 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:19,319 law even though it is actually supreme. He says there 123 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:20,800 are more that we could think of, I'm sure, but 124 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:23,800 a key point is that the leadership in states like 125 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,399 Minnesota know that they are creating this powder keg of 126 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:31,920 citizens versus federal law enforcement. In this case, it's ICE 127 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:40,279 while spreading various agitating narratives like fascism, protecting communities and 128 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:45,320 neighbors right, they are primary. They are the primary willful 129 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:49,279 bad actors in this situation, together with some professional and 130 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,360 other paid agitators who take things to the next level 131 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,720 out on the streets. The goal is to get citizens 132 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:00,720 to obstruct and even threaten or attack ICE, which in 133 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:04,799 effect creates a decision dilemma for ICE and federal law enforcement. 134 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,639 Either they can stand down and thus negate the supremacy 135 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,600 clause and fail to do their jobs, or they can 136 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:17,320 act within their authority and seek to arrest and detain 137 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,200 the people obstructing their lawful mandate that the States are 138 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:27,440 resisting less directly and more through engineered chicanery. He uses 139 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,080 a different word there, I'll say chicanery or Shenanigan's right. 140 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:38,639 This is the decision that Democrat politicians and they're sick offants. 141 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,600 This is the decision that they are trying to force 142 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,960 the federal government to make. This is why the nullification 143 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:50,480 crisis in the fourth turning the crisis phase. This is 144 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:53,679 why it becomes so dangerous because Neither one of these 145 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,120 authorities are going to take the off rim They're both 146 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:59,840 going to keep pressing their authority. Once this happens in 147 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,399 an enough times, statistics kind of take over. Some proportion 148 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:09,720 of those antagonistic account encounters will go sideways. Eventually you'll 149 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,840 find a federal law enforcement agent that does something either 150 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:18,399 reasonably or unreasonably to frame it. Then it will be 151 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,960 framed as an illegitimate overreaction and initiate the reflexive campaign 152 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:30,360 on what looks like firm footing. This reflexivity dialectic works 153 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:34,200 by generating the conditions for chaos and then placing down 154 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,759 guideposts through the chaos once the chaos arises. 155 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Right? 156 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: And this is the same principle as the antidote is 157 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:54,120 made in the same lab as the illness. Right, you 158 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,720 create the chaos and then say follow me, I will 159 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:00,279 restore order. 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They 179 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,279 are your life told through the eyes of everyone around 180 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,600 you and all who came before you, and they will 181 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,960 tell others to come who you are. Visit creative video 182 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,600 dot com. Reading through James Lindsay's take on what we're seeing, 183 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,039 what we're well, what is happening, but what a lot 184 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:28,639 of people aren't seeing. With regard to the ice shooting 185 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:34,279 up in Minneapolis yesterday. In nineteen ninety two, George Soros 186 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,919 wrote a book called The Alchemy of Finance. In the 187 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,200 very first chapter, he talks about this theory of change 188 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:49,080 and what he calls reflexivity dialectic. And you generate the 189 00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:54,360 conditions for chaos, and then you place down guideposts his word, 190 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:59,159 through the chaos once it arises. Right, create the chaos, 191 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,559 and then show people the way through. The goal is 192 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,480 to generate chaotic environments in which historical change his term, 193 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,919 can occur, and then to shape the outcome of that 194 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,759 change when it arrives by leading people to believe certain 195 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,879 things about the chaotic environment they're in that gets them 196 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,200 to take specific actions that they would not otherwise take. 197 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,679 In this case, the points of the reflexive campaign are 198 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,279 really obvious because they keep saying them over and over 199 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,600 and over again, which is what well, we just heard it. 200 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,639 Get Ice out of Minnesota, which would also have the 201 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,759 benefit of protecting their rampant fraud that they've been engaged in. 202 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:44,039 Speaker 1: Right. 203 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: Also, impeachments maybe of Secretary Gnome, maybe somebody else, I 204 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,759 don't know, take down a political rival, so then they 205 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:57,639 can demand a more compliant replacement. Maybe these are classic 206 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:04,679 Bolshevik moves, use Soros's media based reflexive dialectic as the mechanism, 207 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,080 and as Governor, Tim Walls made clear he's willing to 208 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,720 try to induce a profound crisis by naming Minnesota as 209 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:17,159 being at war with the federal government. That's what he 210 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,559 said yesterday in his press conference. We've never been at 211 00:14:19,559 --> 00:14:22,759 war with the federal government like we are now. We 212 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:25,559 have been states have gone to war against the federal government. 213 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,720 It was called the Civil War. You, being a history teacher, 214 00:14:27,759 --> 00:14:32,919 should know that. By the way, not for nothing, Tim 215 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,480 Walls chose the anniversary of the timm And Square massacre 216 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,399 to get married and did a teaching program over in 217 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,799 communist China. He is a big fan of the Communist 218 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,120 Chinese has been for decades. We talked about this when 219 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:55,600 he was named veep. I'm sure he learned nothing from 220 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:04,000 the Communists in China though, anyway, he says. Lindsay says 221 00:15:04,679 --> 00:15:07,399 that Walls is willing to induce a profound crisis by 222 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,320 naming Minnesota as being at war with the federal government 223 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,000 and threatening to attempt to deploy the National Guard against 224 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:17,240 federal law enforcement. That would be a violation of their 225 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,559 constitutional oath, which also then creates a constitutional crisis and 226 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:29,639 is frankly direct insurrection, and he should probably be prosecuted 227 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:34,759 for that. But this puts the Trump administration in a 228 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:43,279 similar dilemma as the ICE agents are in. Right, they're 229 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:49,399 forcing the reaction. It forces the Trump administration to make 230 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,159 a decision. 231 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,879 Speaker 1: You either deal with. 232 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: Waltz on these terms and trigger a huge, falsely justified 233 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:00,240 reaction on the left, or you let him get away 234 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,759 with what amounts to insurrection to avoid the trap. The 235 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:12,200 stakes are very high. 236 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: He says. 237 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: So there's the Minnesota what he's calling the Ice Floyd syop, 238 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:21,720 instead of the George Floyd's Ice Floyd. There's the Minnesota 239 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:25,559 Ice Floyd syop. In a nutshell, they've used the reaction 240 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:30,360 of the Ice officer to justify not just this campaign, 241 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:33,600 but the direct actions in the streets, which are coordinated, 242 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,720 funded and ready to be activated in the same way 243 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:39,279 the National Guard is on standby and to activate it 244 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,960 with a certain population, most of whom are on the left, 245 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:49,240 and it will work for them. That's what's happening. That's 246 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:55,879 not what people recognize is happening because our education systems 247 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,480 were taken over. These institutions were taken over by the 248 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,119 people who employ these very tactics, and they don't want 249 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:08,559 to teach anybody to see through these tactics, but they 250 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:12,559 are interested in teaching people how to employ these tactics 251 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,559 to be good little activists. Right, Uh, let me go 252 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,079 over to Oh, actually, before I do that, let me go. 253 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: I saw this on Twitter last night. 254 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: Written up by mimetic Sisyphus, who says, I think a 255 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,359 lot of radicalization happens in spaces where it's just all talk. 256 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,960 Everything is hypothetical. It's easy to LARP as a revolutionary. 257 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:43,039 LARP means live action role playing. So when you hear 258 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,920 somebody call somebody a LARPer, right, that's what they're It's 259 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,039 just they're they're play acting. So it's easy to LARP 260 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:53,920 as a revolutionary, as somebody who stands against depression. There's 261 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,160 a lack of seriousness about it all. You start to 262 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,119 believe the memes, you start to believe you're the hero, 263 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:02,960 you're the main character. Then you convince yourself to do 264 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,240 something really dumb, like pull your car in front of 265 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,240 police officers. They draw their guns and the larp crumbles. 266 00:18:09,759 --> 00:18:12,200 You're not that person. This is real life and those 267 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,440 are real guns. Nothing but getting the hell out of here, 268 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,039 screams in her brain. She probably didn't see the officer 269 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:20,319 standing in front of her car as she smashes the gas. 270 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:23,960 Now the officers can't know this. Of course, they don't 271 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,319 know what she's thinking. They just know when guns are drawn, 272 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,119 telling her to get out of the vehicle. She slammed 273 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,400 the gas in the direction of an officer. See, they're 274 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,119 not in a larp. Their job is real. They encounter 275 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:43,119 people who want to kill them, so they fire. No 276 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,599 one in this woman's life told her that she's on 277 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,519 a destructive LARP. She was encouraged by her peer group 278 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,960 viral videos of similarly similarly lost radical LARPers getting nothing 279 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:00,519 but praise online. Politicians calling the in force of our 280 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:05,480 laws akin to Nazis, calling them illegitimate, calling them evil, 281 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,119 telling their citizens to make their voices heard. Everyone in 282 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,200 her life failed her. She needed somebody to tell her 283 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,519 to grow up. Instead, she had no one, and now 284 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:23,920 she's dead. A horrible case of internet radicalization. Rob Province, 285 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,119 writer out of Tennessee, says this isn't a game and 286 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,920 Democrats need to stop telling their voters to go out 287 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:37,079 and do things that'll get them killed. 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Minimum 310 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:48,839 mods required for additional terms and responsible gaming resources see DKNG, 311 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:54,680 dot co slash audio limited time offer. Gary from Boston says, 312 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,319 I hate to get all conspiratorial, but this sounds or 313 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,000 this seems like another false flag. 314 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't believe it's that. I'll explain in a minute. 315 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: It seems like the protesters around the country were already 316 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,160 ready for the marching orders. This is so well orchestrated 317 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,119 and produced. I just wouldn't believe any darn story that 318 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,640 comes out of Minnesota. Okay, So first, why is it, 319 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:20,200 in my opinion, not a false flag? Okay, because it's 320 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:26,759 not doing anything that would empower the authorities, the federal government. 321 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: Right. 322 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,799 Speaker 2: False flag would be if like they brought somebody in 323 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,079 on their own to attack or murder an ice agent 324 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,119 in order to induce some sort of reaction. 325 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,759 Speaker 1: That would be a false flag. 326 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:44,319 Speaker 2: This is, as I described, operational preparation of the environment. 327 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,279 So to your point, when you say that it seems 328 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,640 like it's well orchestrated, it is. It's not a false 329 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,880 flag operation. It is operational prep for the environment. As 330 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,039 James Lindsay described, this is part of the political warfare 331 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,640 environment that radicals do their work in today. They're you know, 332 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:12,200 this is their theory of change, their reflexivity dialectic. That's 333 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,880 that's how you get things to change and people to 334 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,799 agree with you doing. I mean, think about the aftermath 335 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:28,119 of George Floyd, right, same thing. You had people in 336 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,079 positions of power adopting positions like the defund the police movement. 337 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,039 That would be absolutely absurd to have pitched, let alone 338 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:43,519 passed any kind of you know, local rules or ordinances 339 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:49,519 before George Floyd. If you had gotten up there as 340 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:53,039 a local elected at city council and said we need 341 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:55,440 to just disband our police force. We're not going to 342 00:22:55,519 --> 00:23:01,480 do policing anymore, nobody would have taken you seriously. However, 343 00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:05,920 once you get the spark, once you get the chaos 344 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:12,039 after the spark, then everybody's looking for some semblance of order, 345 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,519 or as Soros calls it, guideposts through the chaos. You're 346 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,519 now there saying follow me out of the chaos. I 347 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:24,200 know how to get out of the chaos. And the 348 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:28,279 chaos is created by you. Right, you have created this 349 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,839 environment for the chaos and then to harness that chaos 350 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,160 and provide those guide posts to get your change. 351 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:39,319 Speaker 1: That's the theory. 352 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:44,319 Speaker 2: It's very similar to Cloward and Piven, just theirs was 353 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,200 more of a bureaucratic kind of approach. These lefty social 354 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:52,920 scientists or whatever that crafted the plan back in what 355 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,960 the sixties, I guess, and their idea was to overload 356 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:01,480 all of the welfare systems to bang inkrupt the governments 357 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:05,039 that would then create the unrest, and then you offer 358 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:08,839 the guideposts through the chaos and create a universal basic. 359 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: Income and just hand out money to people. 360 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,839 Speaker 2: And from there now you're controlling people's money and now 361 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,279 you can control them. Right, that's the idea. Again, this 362 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,480 is all leftist ideology. It all comes from the same place. 363 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:32,400 Let me see here back to the text line, I 364 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,079 don't know what Jesse Ventura would would do as governor. 365 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:35,799 Speaker 1: That I don't know. 366 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,759 Speaker 2: Stan says, what would happen if Donald Trump were to 367 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:47,279 come out now and definitively say, quote, this woman acted stupidly. 368 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what Obama did. 369 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,319 Speaker 2: Remember after Lewis Gates, Harvard professor Guy got arrested because 370 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,559 he was seen breaking into a home turned out to 371 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,920 be his own home, and so a neighbor called the 372 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,000 cops seeing somebody break into the house. Cop shows up. 373 00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:08,839 Lewis Gates throws a tantrum, how dare you? You're a 374 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:10,880 white cop. I'm a black man. Don't you think I 375 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,279 can afford this home and all this other stuff? And 376 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,559 so the cop arrests him, and Obama comes out immediately 377 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:22,839 and says the cop acted stupidly. And then they had 378 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:23,960 the beer summit. 379 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:30,079 Speaker 1: And all of that. Let me see here, this is 380 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,200 seven oh four number, Pete. 381 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,279 Speaker 2: I know you're all about solutions, So how about we 382 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:43,079 trade the state of Minnesota for Greenland. I've heard there 383 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,960 have been pitches to swap Minnesota with Alberta. I've heard 384 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:56,920 that they very resource rich and more conservative. Seven oh 385 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,119 four number says, can you explain to me how Walls, 386 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,119 Tim Wall's governor can threaten to activate a federally funded 387 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,240 national guard against the federal law enforcement. No, but that's 388 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:10,400 the point. The point is to create the constitutional crisis. 389 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,279 This is at the heart of the immigration enforcement actions 390 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:19,400 as well. Right, it's a constitutional crisis. You have the 391 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,359 federal government and attempting to enforce federal law, and you 392 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,359 have states and local jurisdictions refusing to comply in an 393 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,519 attempt to nullify the federal law without going through the 394 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:35,559 the messy and difficult process of changing the laws. And 395 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,160 so they're they're they're there's creating, they're they're preparing operational 396 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,119 preparation of the environment. And then you force your opponents 397 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,559 to make a decision. Either way, you will be able 398 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:56,000 to claim victory or victim status. And you're the oppressed, 399 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:59,960 you're the righteous, you're the hero, You're the one standing up, 400 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,839 you know, for noble purposes. Although I have seen some 401 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,839 there's one suggestion that Trump could activate the National Guard, 402 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,599 put it under federal control, call up Tim Walls, and 403 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:26,359 if he refuses to follow orders, then you court martial him. Yeah, 404 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,559 but that's what I mean. This is how, this is 405 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:35,000 how nullification crises escalate very very quickly into shooting wars, 406 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:37,799 because each side is going to try to force the 407 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:45,799 other to abandon its position. John says caller Mike in 408 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,559 the last hour said the quiet part out loud just 409 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,000 before you stopped his gas lighting. He said, it's not 410 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:55,160 that Democrats don't want to enforce laws. It's which laws 411 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,599 they want to enforce. He said, that's right, he said 412 00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,799 that right at the very end, they said, and how 413 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,079 the being enforced, how they're being I just don't like 414 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,839 the look of it. Well, maybe you should have thought 415 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:09,319 of that about that while the last administration was allowing 416 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,240 fifteen million people into the country illegally, Paul says, I 417 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:18,039 was hoping that you would lay into Gary. 418 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: Not my fault, McFadden some more. Well, there's there will 419 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,119 be time for that. I am sure. 420 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: Those who have never served as a first responder do 421 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,640 not understand the speed that violent things happen when you 422 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:38,079 are in an incident. The video will not show those things. Yeah, 423 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,079 I mean, that's this is what I mean. We can 424 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:43,000 all look at the videos and slow them down and 425 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,759 make all sorts of determinations about what we see and 426 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:50,240 all of this. But that officer had less than two 427 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:53,440 seconds to decide whether or not his life was in danger. 428 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:59,680 That's why I recommend like getting out of the car 429 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:01,680 when the cops approach you and say get out of 430 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440 the car, and definitely don't like gun it when one's 431 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,039 standing in front of you. All right, if you're listening 432 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:08,640 to this show, you know I try to keep up 433 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,440 with all sorts of current events. And I know you 434 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960 do too, and you've probably heard me say get your 435 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,839 news from multiple sources. 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In 456 00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:30,519 other words, the cause, whether inner city blacks or women, 457 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,720 it's never really the cause, but only an occasion to 458 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,640 advance the real cause, which is the accumulation of power 459 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:46,480 to make the revolution. That's from David Horowitz, Barack Obama's 460 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,839 rules for Revolution, the Elenski model. Oh maybe it was 461 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,839 David Horowitz. Allan says, I would not want Mike representing 462 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:03,240 me in any legal proceedings. Jody says, thanks for continuing 463 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,160 to educate us. Pete, You're welcome. I'm a giver. 464 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:07,839 Speaker 1: What can I say most of us. 465 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,759 Speaker 2: Most of us have already experienced the George Floyd fiasco, 466 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:18,240 and we're not going to fall for it again. Jeff says, 467 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,960 I long for the good old days when everyone was 468 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:24,599 upset about me painting that rock in Charlotte. Either way, 469 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,519 I'm thanking Jesus said, I'm thinking Jesus Christ is sad 470 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:33,279 and Satan is happy. David says, did you notice how 471 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,400 soon the protesters are on the streets of New York 472 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,039 City five hours after Maduro's arrest with professional signs Yeah yeah, 473 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:44,519 protesting in favor of a dictator, a tyrant, a fascist. 474 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:50,359 Right Trump isn't going to allow the lefties to steamroll him, 475 00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:54,000 No way, especially from a guy like Walls. That's from Allan. 476 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,319 Stanley says. If this keeps up, no one will want Minnesota. 477 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,599 We won't even be able to give it away. Let's 478 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:07,279 get something now while we can, And Brian says, you 479 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,839 also made a very valid point unless under Obama's rules 480 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,920 of engagement, which were horrific. You made the accurate point 481 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,359 that if mister kool Aid was correct, and he absolutely 482 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,160 was not, you don't have to wait till the cry 483 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,640 strikes you, but clearly did strike the officer. 484 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: Or the car. 485 00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:28,599 Speaker 2: You don't have to wait until the car strikes you, 486 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,039 but it clearly did strike the officer. Thank you for 487 00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,799 benching mister kool Aid. I guess that was caller Mike. 488 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,720 I served twenty five years in CPDCMPD. Thank you, Brian 489 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,160 for your service. Appreciate it. Let me jump over here 490 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,720 and get Clark on the program. 491 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: Hello Clark, Hey, Pete, how are you today? 492 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,079 Speaker 1: Good sir, how are you? 493 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 3: I'm good? Listen. I talked to you about a year ago, 494 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,559 but this first time since you guys switched over to 495 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,119 eleven ten. But I said this the first time I 496 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,960 talked to you. But for the new listeners out there, 497 00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,319 we have the best one two punch in the nation 498 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,680 when it comes to talk raady with you, Brett, I 499 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,680 appreciate that. So, hey, jd. Vance was just on a 500 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,960 national press conference. 501 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: I saw clip of this. Yeah, yeah, he. 502 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: Just yeah, he just announced a new attorney general position 503 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,759 is going to be created in the next probably week 504 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:17,839 to ten days, and it's going to be primarily to 505 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,960 investigate all this anti ice and also the fraud that's 506 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,279 been going on and you know, throughout the country. But 507 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,200 that was one thing I wanted to point out, and 508 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,279 then the other thing the press. He really kind of 509 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:31,799 hit it on the head. He's like, the press has 510 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440 looked saying that this woman was going to Harris Teeter 511 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,880 and she, oh, that's a protest over there, so I'm 512 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,519 going to stop by, and he's like, she, you know, 513 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,200 she was impeding federal law. So there's a reason behind 514 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,039 the activities. So my main question is this, why can't 515 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,799 the FED go in and shut these sanctuary cities down? 516 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:57,119 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's because well, number one, I think 517 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,480 that's what these ice operations are intending to do without 518 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,039 doing it in a full frontal assault like that, right, 519 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,319 Like they're going in and doing the enforcement because the 520 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,119 locals are refusing to cooperate, and because of previous litigation 521 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,679 where states have tried to make the federal government enforce 522 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,320 immigration law under the Biden administration, for example, when you 523 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,920 had states like Texas that sued to try to force 524 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,480 Biden to do immigration enforcement and border protection and it 525 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,559 went through the courts and the court said the states can't. 526 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,079 The states can't do this. This is the federal responsibility. 527 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,079 So now that they got Trump in there, now Trump 528 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,400 is saying, well, this is our responsibility. So we're going 529 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,840 to take full responsibility and do it now. One thing 530 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,599 they could do is withhold all federal funding to sanctuary cities. 531 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,920 Like that is one way to do it, and I 532 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,679 would be okay with that. There would be litigation about it, 533 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,599 I'm sure, But if you're not willing to comply with 534 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,519 federal law and you're actively obstructing it, then it seems 535 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,599 to me like that would be that would be a 536 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:08,239 course of action. 537 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: Well, hopefully something's going to be done soon, you know. Yeah, 538 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,840 But I appreciate that I was just kind of unsure 539 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,320 on like why they just don't go ahead and just 540 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,079 go in and change everything quickly. 541 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:22,199 Speaker 2: But well, well, I mean, so what in your mind? 542 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,639 What would that look like in your mind? 543 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,199 Speaker 3: I don't know laws, and I don't know, you know, 544 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,760 state by state, but from a federal standpoint, I would 545 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,239 assume that if you're doing anything against the United States 546 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,559 of America, especially the people like all these anti protests 547 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:40,800 and you know, basically not turning in illegal immigrants over 548 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,320 to Ice everything like that, why could they just not 549 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,320 get in. I don't know what the process would be, 550 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,199 but to me, that's so anti American, right. 551 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: But you can't go in. 552 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 2: I mean, so are you saying you go in and 553 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,960 arrest elected officials? 554 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:56,559 Speaker 3: Well, that's what they were. That's something that like JD. 555 00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,719 Vance just kind of highlighted. He said, you know, we're 556 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,320 gonna just do attorneystal position is going to go in 557 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,519 and look at exactly what's going on, who's funding it 558 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,280 in these sanctuary cities, and find out if there's any 559 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,079 legal course of action. So he did say that. But 560 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,079 I'm not, like I said, I'm not a law expert. 561 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not either. 562 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 2: I just I'm thinking through in a practical way, and 563 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,119 I think what it comes down to is if you 564 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:24,519 this creates the very sort of dilemma that James Lindsay 565 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,519 was talking about that the Ice shooting has now presented. 566 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,159 It's just it's a different question, right. Also with the 567 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,119 National Guard deployment, it creates this this decision point that 568 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,840 they're they are inducing a reaction, right, They're trying to 569 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,960 force the administration to take an action or to react 570 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,639 to what they're doing, and then they use that reaction 571 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,239 for the chaos because they have already prepared the environment. 572 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,199 And you know, if Trump comes in and they try 573 00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,360 to arrest Tim Walls, then you get more you know, 574 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,599 riots and chaos and everything else. Right, So that and 575 00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:04,800 then they offer the guide post through the chaos. That's 576 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,400 their theory of. 577 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: Change, gotcha. 578 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: I think that's the and that's the issue, like do 579 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,039 you pick the fight? And a lot of people want, 580 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,800 myself included. I would prefer to avoid that kind of 581 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,639 a crisis. But if you've got a critical mass of 582 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,159 people in the country that are hell bent on forcing 583 00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,519 that crisis to occur, I don't know how you. 584 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how you avoid it. 585 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think his name is Steven Miller with the administration. 586 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,559 Yeah right, yeah, I mean he said, you know, right 587 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:40,960 after what's his name, Kirk, Charlie Kirk assassinated that they 588 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,400 were like his and that his only main priority was 589 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,119 going to be to go in and go after all 590 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,159 of these you know, Soros whoever it is, and try 591 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:51,559 to figure this out and haven't prosecuted. But it's been 592 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,760 a while and I really haven't heard anything about that. 593 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,320 But you know, we've got to figure this out and 594 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,159 get it straightened out. 595 00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. I appreciate the call Clark could 596 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:08,400 to hear. I do think they are pursuing the funding mechanisms. 597 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,079 They are doing that. Now what they will find and 598 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,519 whether they are able to prosecute, we shall see. All right. 599 00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:18,079 Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode. 600 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:20,199 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. 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