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Speaker 1: Hello and good morning, Susano. Oh how are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, thank you, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with

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you because I see this book Discovering Magic and Everyday

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Life as being an open door I mean for believers,

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for non believers, those in question, those seeking. It's such

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an open door.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I so appreciate that. That's what I was hoping

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it would feel like to people when.

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Speaker 1: You release words like this onto a page, because I

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truly believe that a seed becomes the tree, the tree

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becomes the paper we use, and then that becomes books.

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The part of your journey on this was to reach people.

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What did you experience on your side of the journey.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of ups and downs, you know, because

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we're living through a very chaotic and difficult time. But

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what I experienced is that so many people from so

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many different traditions have a whole lot in common, and

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that if we can focus on what we have in

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common and first, then we're better able to talk about

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the differences with more understanding and more empathy. And I

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don't mean this to sound woo wooh. Of course, we've

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got a lot of differences, and of course there are

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a lot of problems in the world, but there's also

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an awful lot of good.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that you cover is is the

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children and they what they're going through, and we have

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to have more empathy for them, because even with my

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own grandchildren, I don't understand why they stress out so much.

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But you're right, what is the common thing we all

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stress out? Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Well, stress is contagious, right, So if the

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parents are stressed out, if the people, if the teachers

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are stressed out, if their caregivers are stressed, caregivers are

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stressed out, they're stressed the adult stress is contagious, and

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the kids just soak it up. So we have to

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be aware of what the effect of our own actions

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and relationships, which is why it's so important that adult

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else really practice stabilizing themselves, regulating themselves and focusing not

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just on the bad stuff but also on the good.

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Speaker 1: And you give us fifty practical tools. I mean, this

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is one of those things where I would like to

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sit down with my family as well as my grandchildren,

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and we each have our own interpretation of it, and

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let's talk about it. But I love the fact that

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you are so honest with us with these practical tools.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. You know, everybody resonates with something different.

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Some people want something that moves. Some people are introverts,

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some people are extroverts. So what I hope with this

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book is people can page through it, see what lands

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with them, and try that first, and then once they

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have that experience, then they get a taste of the

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benefits of this kind of inner work, and then they

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can go further and more deep.

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Speaker 1: Emotional balance is really on the hot stove right now

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because people don't understand how to find a place of balance,

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and you really up the door on that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just don't know, we don't. I wish as

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a young mom I had known more about how the

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nervous system works, and so just teaching people not to

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beat up themselves because their nervous systems go on high alert.

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And when our nervous systems are on high alert, our

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perspectives narrow. Our energy is focused into our bodies so

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that we can fight, or we can flee, or we freeze.

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And when we ground ourselves with awareness based strategies, then

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our perspectives can broaden and as our perspective broadens. We

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get to see all the different sides of the story

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and view what's happening with some kindness and compassion.

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Speaker 1: Is it wrong of me to have conversations with people

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when they sit there and they celebrate their victories in life?

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And then I go up to them and I'll go,

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so are you grateful? And then and what are you

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grateful for? And then I'll come back with but are

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you mindful of what you've just said celebrated in victory? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think that those are excellent questions, right, because appreciation

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is a huge practice and its scientifically shown to have

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a big difference in people's lives, and it's a great

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grounding strategy, you know, as far as regulating. So appreciation

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is key and also awareness is key, which is what

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we're talking about with mindfulness. Awareness and appreciation. Those are

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two things that are real game changers.

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Speaker 1: The book we're talking about is discovering Magic in everyday life.

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Something is happening when it comes to these VR goggles

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that people even they get them for games and things.

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I happen to pick up one that went to an

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app that's called Float and they're using it for meditation.

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But I do wonder, Susan, is that when we see

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things visually like that in the digital devices, are we

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not injuring our mind? Shouldn't it be a cleared mind

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and a cleared heart.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's tough to clear thing because whatever

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is in there, it's hard to get rid of things.

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But we can have an open mind and an open

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heart that allows for the full catastrophe and still and

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still can take in the good. And I think that

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that's the key. I think all of the electronic devices,

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they might have a place as a tool that is useful,

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but it doesn't replace learning how to just really take

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a moment and take a look around you and really

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focus on something that captures your attention and lets everything

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seem a whole lot bigger and grander than our own problems.

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Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on the wall

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when it comes to readers discovering something that you plant

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inside these pages, and that is the natural movement of

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your mind. So many people do not understand that your

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mind is always in movement.

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Speaker 2: It is always moving, and if we try to stop it,

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it tends just to move more, you know, just like

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a young child. But what we can do is we

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can become aware of the movement and then move our

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attention to something else, something like the feeling of our

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feet on the ground, or a beautiful flower in the garden,

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or you know, the laughter of the children around us,

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and that helps us on our perspective.

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Speaker 1: Again, that is so interesting you say that, because I'll

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bring that up to many people. I'll go, so, when

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you put your camera up in the air to take

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a picture, do you get the entire environment? And they go, no,

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so does your body. Your body doesn't get everything unless

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you're willing to accept all living things and everything that's

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in contact with your body.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And to see how they're all connected right now,

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we're all connected to one another. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Why is it people fear that word enlightenment right away?

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They think, oh, that's a really ligious thing. I'm not

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going there. But it's not. It is at the whole self.

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Speaker 2: It is it's about the whole self, and it enlightenment

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is available to everyone, real world enlightenment is available to

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everyone all the time. I think it has developed a

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certain connotation that makes people think that they have to

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go off and meditate on a mountaintop for years at

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a time. And I think that's great. I certainly spend

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an awful lot of time meditating, But the point of

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meditating like that is to take what you learn on

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the cushion off and bring it into real life. And

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how many people do know who have done a lot

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of meditation who have been unable to make that transition.

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So if we can take short moments of awareness drop

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them in throughout our day, I think people will see

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a big difference in how their life feels and the

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ripple effect of that on the people around them.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you also say that we should learn to trust

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our stream thinking, in other words, our moment of now

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trust it, don't show lee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen to it. You need to listen to

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ourselves and be kind to ourselves. We're also hard on ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Judgment where there's always got to be judgment somewhere coming

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from this body.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, and that's it, and that's just

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We can accept that that's a natural part of the

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way we're wired. But just because our inner critic is

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saying something doesn't mean it's true.

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Speaker 1: Does this book come with a website? Because you know

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people are going to come through this book, And first

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of all, I think I invite listeners to grab a

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yellow highlighter and highlight the areas that really step inside

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your heart, and then is there some place where they

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can go to start activating it because this is a

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book of activation.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. The website, my website, Susan Kisergreenland dot

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com has lots and lots of videos and audios and downloads,

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and there's a there's a newsletter that's practice based will

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reinforce this type of work, and that's very, very helpful.

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It's helpful to have a community of people.

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Speaker 1: I also want listeners to know that when it comes

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to meditating, yes, there's a big chance you're going to

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fall asleep. How do you help someone embrace that? Is

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there a question that you asked them?

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Speaker 2: I bet you were tired and could use the sleep.

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So no reason to beat yourself up when you fall asleep.

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I mean, people have meditated for decades fall asleep, and

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no reason to beat yourself up is just that day

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you can't sit still because there's too much going on.

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The point is just setting the intention and going back

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and doing the best you can a little bit of

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the time, over and over again, and you'll see the results.

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Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in

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the future. Susan. The door is always going to be

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open for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I so appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you you two, I thank you very much.