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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 3: for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm
Speaker 3: your host, as always, George Hobbs. We're recording on this
Speaker 3: beautiful Wednesday evening, July the second, twenty twenty five. But
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Speaker 3: without any further ado, we're going to bring on today's
Speaker 3: guest in the great state of Utah. It's Tyler. Tyler.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us, Linton joining us tonight,
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. George, as always, please take a
Speaker 3: moment and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 5: So I'm Tyler from Utah.
Speaker 1: Fairly new to this community that we I guess we'd
Speaker 1: call it, but always been a truth seekert.
Speaker 5: I believe I've always had the.
Speaker 1: Ability to look beyond the veil that the world.
Speaker 5: Places on us.
Speaker 1: And I fact stumbled across your podcast around twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and it was from there on I've been I've been
Speaker 1: hooked onto this, always searching for the truth.
Speaker 3: So in the realm of rabbit holes? Where did flat
Speaker 3: Earth lie in those? Is that something that's fairly recent
Speaker 3: that you didn't really want to look into or how
Speaker 3: did that all work out?
Speaker 1: It's always been there, I guess since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I could look up and just realize that something you know,
Speaker 1: something will adding up. I mean, it's just everything about
Speaker 1: it felt different than anything that I could ever perceive
Speaker 1: in my own mind. Yeah, I guess I've I guess
Speaker 1: I've doubted it for most of my ability to remember life.
Speaker 3: Really, I think that's a fair statement for many of us,
Speaker 3: even like myself, who really didn't want to look into
Speaker 3: it until five years ago, that things just they just
Speaker 3: didn't add up. But because of that programming and the
Speaker 3: psychological operations through television and the news and everything else,
Speaker 3: I just thought it was silly. But we will get
Speaker 3: to that, and I kind of want to go through
Speaker 3: a chronological order, because I guess, let's start twenty five
Speaker 3: years ago. Nine to eleven happens, and you, like many
Speaker 3: other thousands of America's you know you, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to speak for you, but obviously you felt the call
Speaker 3: and you joined the military.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, two thousand and two hit, and I me
Speaker 1: and several buddies and my little brother, both my uncles,
Speaker 1: all of us, we all.
Speaker 5: We all joined.
Speaker 1: And of course my dad was a desert storm veteran.
Speaker 3: Oh awesome.
Speaker 1: And so I mean, back then, you could you could
Speaker 1: guarantee that it was a It was just felt like
Speaker 1: you had to you had to do it anyway as
Speaker 1: part of the the family culture. But when nine to
Speaker 1: eleven hit, it really it really struck a nerve and
Speaker 1: all of us jumped in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you took a role as a combat medic,
Speaker 3: which is, uh is a very very stressful occupation, especially
Speaker 3: on the battlefield. Even the combat lifesaver courses that we
Speaker 3: take and we have to give ivs. That's just that
Speaker 3: in itself is enough to like, Wow, this is you know,
Speaker 3: singing a needle in another person's arm, especially under the
Speaker 3: duress of combat. Is the next level thing. Did you
Speaker 3: deployed Afghanistan or Iraq during your time?
Speaker 5: Afghanistan?
Speaker 3: Afghanistan? God bless you.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I guess my next question would be after your time
Speaker 3: in the military, I guess what would be the certain
Speaker 3: point when you first came to realize that the official
Speaker 3: narrative about nine to eleven wasn't as it was told.
Speaker 1: Man, you know, that's that's what's craziest. For the longest time,
Speaker 1: I defended it, and I, like many other veterans, we
Speaker 1: all wanted to, you know, believe that we were serving
Speaker 1: a higher cause being over there. But twenty twenty, with
Speaker 1: the COVID and the elections and everything that happened, it
Speaker 1: just it opened up a whole new, whole new game
Speaker 1: of soul search, you know. Most so for the longest time,
Speaker 1: I'd say until twenty twenty, I I really felt that
Speaker 1: strong feeling that we did what we did for the
Speaker 1: greater part of humanity.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, absolutely, and you know we I used
Speaker 3: to beat myself up over it, but we can't change
Speaker 3: the past. And part of you know, being a Christian
Speaker 3: is being able to let go of the past and
Speaker 3: changing the future to ensure that we do question the
Speaker 3: next time they try to tell our children or grandchildren
Speaker 3: that hey, this happened, we need to go over here
Speaker 3: and take care of this. That it's more than you know,
Speaker 3: in hindsight, it's about oil, it's about money, It's about
Speaker 3: you know, banks, the banking system. You know that we
Speaker 3: should make it so difficult on this government too. You know,
Speaker 3: if they are going to send our families into harms
Speaker 3: way that the weight of that it should be so immense.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to put it in words, but over
Speaker 3: the last at least one hundred years, it's just been
Speaker 3: like just sending people off. You know, you look at
Speaker 3: especially since the sixties with Vietnam and then yes, you know,
Speaker 3: my dad, I can't remember how angry he was in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two. You know, your dad, my dad, me,
Speaker 3: we were all in desert storm. And then you know,
Speaker 3: ABC News runs a story on the girl who claimed
Speaker 3: to sit there and witness the babies be throwing out
Speaker 3: of these incubators, and she ended up being the Ambassador
Speaker 3: Kuwait's daughter. It was all a lie and ten million
Speaker 3: dollars spent on coaching, you know, the lessons to acting lessons,
Speaker 3: and man, it's just that's when I started to really
Speaker 3: question is there anything organic anymore?
Speaker 1: That's exactly it. It's so many what seems like false
Speaker 1: flags are red flag events that you know, just help
Speaker 1: shuttle us into the next industrial military industrial complex regime.
Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it, you know, funding and patting
Speaker 1: the pockets of are cricket, politicians and.
Speaker 5: The elites.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, that was It's always been about money,
Speaker 1: it really has.
Speaker 3: And through money comes power, and then through power comes corruption.
Speaker 3: And you know, these evil entities have been you know,
Speaker 3: piling up this money and power, consolidating through the likes
Speaker 3: of Black Rock and Vanguard to where what you know,
Speaker 3: this Peter theal guy, and this technocracy that they want
Speaker 3: to embrace. You have RFK Junior the other day saying
Speaker 3: how he hopes within the next couple of years that
Speaker 3: everybody's wearing one of these watches, these devices that tracks
Speaker 3: their every movement. He says it on National TV. I'm like,
Speaker 3: how do these people not see it's what's coming.
Speaker 1: It's insane. It is absolutely insane what they want to do,
Speaker 1: the pushing the AI on us, everything that they're doing
Speaker 1: with the AI, the basically what you're just talking about
Speaker 1: with RFK. I mean, pretty soon we're going to be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent Big Brother surveillance state.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: It's it's real scary what all of our younger kids
Speaker 5: have to go through.
Speaker 3: Many of the hundreds of people that have come on
Speaker 3: this program have talked about how influent, how influential twenty
Speaker 3: twenty was to their awakening process. So I guess I
Speaker 3: would start with, at what point did you realize with COVID,
Speaker 3: was you know, this whole process of shutting down the
Speaker 3: economy and small business was more nefarious than just looking
Speaker 3: out for mankind.
Speaker 1: You know, up until about so in a I was
Speaker 1: still in Prudo, b Alaska on a job there, oh,
Speaker 1: first part of March twenty twenty, and I barely got out,
Speaker 1: and then the entire airlines shut down there, so everybody
Speaker 1: that I still knew and Prudo Bay got left behind
Speaker 1: for six months.
Speaker 5: And then I could just see.
Speaker 1: That this was bigger and more evil than we could
Speaker 1: ever imagine. And at first I was like everybody else.
Speaker 1: I mean, I came home, and my wife and the
Speaker 1: kids and all of us. We were all nervous at first,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, we might should wear that mask because
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is. But then about a month,
Speaker 1: oh so about May, the first part of May, we realized, like,
Speaker 1: this is all a scam. It's all a game, and
Speaker 1: they have an agenda behind it. They're planning something bigger
Speaker 1: with this. Either they're testing how far they can push
Speaker 1: us before we'll push back, or it's just all one
Speaker 1: big show, Hollywood show. I guess.
Speaker 3: I think a huge part of it was a test
Speaker 3: to see how far they could push us without the pushback.
Speaker 3: And I was very shocked to see the amount of
Speaker 3: fear porn that they pushed on people. Like the one
Speaker 3: thing that I will always remember to the day I
Speaker 3: die is Biden, you know, the President of the United States,
Speaker 3: looking into a camera and saying, if you do not
Speaker 3: get this vaccination, you're facing a winter of death. And
Speaker 3: the thing that upset me the most was, you know,
Speaker 3: people are busy. Let's say they came home from worth
Speaker 3: your cooking dinner, and the TV's on, and there's a
Speaker 3: seven or eight year old child in the living room
Speaker 3: and they hear that, or even a young teenager right well,
Speaker 3: and they hear that, and you know, here's the President
Speaker 3: of the United States saying that you're going to die
Speaker 3: if you don't get the jab. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: so easy, and people just are on to the next saying,
Speaker 3: what is it now, the big beautiful bill, that's all
Speaker 3: everybody's talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. And I was glad to see that
Speaker 1: our Senator Lee from here didn't get his way with
Speaker 1: selling off all of our land. It's already hard enough
Speaker 1: to go use our public lands anyway, because you have
Speaker 1: so many big interest groups trying to get it up anyway.
Speaker 5: And and I was, I was glad to see that
Speaker 5: that didn't get included in the big beautiful Bill.
Speaker 1: And who knows what else is really in the big
Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill, haven't I I've come to suspect that the
Speaker 1: entire the entire system is against us. I voted for
Speaker 1: Trump because I definitely wasn't going to vote for Kamala.
Speaker 1: And but it's just all coming to fruition. Everything's a lie.
Speaker 1: We get promised everything that never comes to fruition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are literally the uh, the ninety nine point
Speaker 3: nine percent of this country. We're the backbone of this country.
Speaker 3: We do all the work, we move the mail, we
Speaker 3: ship this, we do that. But that that point zero
Speaker 3: one percent at the top did they get they reap
Speaker 3: the benefits. Now, you know, one could argue this is
Speaker 3: a spiritual war. And while our journey here, if you
Speaker 3: read especially the New Testament enough, you'll you'll understand that
Speaker 3: their journey here on earth isn't meant to be always
Speaker 3: you know, lollipops and ice cream. The Bible tells us
Speaker 3: that you're going to be persecuted. And I'm taking a
Speaker 3: hermeneutics course right now when you really break down some
Speaker 3: of the things that Paul wrote, I mean, he's just
Speaker 3: coming out and telling you. I mean, even his letter
Speaker 3: to Timothy is if you you know you're going to
Speaker 3: be persecuted, and you have to understand these things. And
Speaker 3: this is nothing new. This has gone back two thousand years.
Speaker 3: So and that's not saying we should walk around glumly.
Speaker 3: We should be happy and you know, be representatives. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, man, this world, when you when
Speaker 3: you really peel the veil back, you're like, my goodness,
Speaker 3: everything is set up against us, and they use their
Speaker 3: dividing conquer tactics so well against us. With regarding COVID,
Speaker 3: was that more of an eye opener or did it
Speaker 3: simply give you more time to research these rabbit holes?
Speaker 5: H it was, it was just an eye opener.
Speaker 1: I fortunately, being self employed, I I just stayed to
Speaker 1: the grindstone, didn't didn't allow myself to be shut down.
Speaker 1: And fortunately I had great customers that you know, kept
Speaker 1: going to because where I live in utah's pretty well
Speaker 1: conservative and we don't we don't back down really to
Speaker 1: any type of tyrannical movements. So I kept going. So
Speaker 1: COVID was more just an eye opener, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was a big eye opener. Let me see that
Speaker 1: the truth behind the veil really.
Speaker 3: Indeed, have you prior to twenty twenty did you ever
Speaker 3: go down to say the vaccination rabbit hole or is
Speaker 3: that something that opened up during COVID.
Speaker 1: No, I never did that open up during COVID as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, heck, growing up, I just thought vaccinations were
Speaker 1: just you know, I was socially programmed.
Speaker 5: That's just what it is.
Speaker 1: And I can still remember the first day walking into
Speaker 1: the reception station, you walk down the cattle lines with
Speaker 1: the pneumatic vaccinations. You probably remember those, Oh my goodness, yea,
Speaker 1: So I mean to me, it was just and I
Speaker 1: didn't even know what they were giving us, what they
Speaker 1: were putting in it, but I just took it. And
Speaker 1: the same as a kid, I remember the you know,
Speaker 1: my mom and dad taken me into the clinic or
Speaker 1: whatever to get the yearly vaccine or whatever else you
Speaker 1: had to have to attend public school, and never questioned it.
Speaker 1: And then twenty twenty, hit man, we sure shut it
Speaker 1: down our kids. We don't ever take him in no
Speaker 1: more for that stuff.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. It's amazing the amount of people. And again
Speaker 3: I wonder if they intentionally overplayed their hand or they're
Speaker 3: just so cocky that you know, they're like, this is
Speaker 3: just how we're going to roll from here on out.
Speaker 3: We're not even going to try to hide or evil.
Speaker 1: I believe that I believe it is.
Speaker 5: I believe it was pure arrogance.
Speaker 1: And they, you know, they've went so many years with
Speaker 1: all of being able to fully control the entire population,
Speaker 1: and now you have people like us that are waking
Speaker 1: up and we're not going to bow down no more.
Speaker 3: And the little questionnaire we sent you, one of the
Speaker 3: things that you had mentioned was that interest you was
Speaker 3: these polymetallic note nodules, which is, you know, dark energy.
Speaker 3: Could you tell us a little bit about that and
Speaker 3: come up on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found that scrolling through the YouTube. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've seen the WI files, but he was talking about it.
Speaker 1: So then I got studying it more. And then the
Speaker 1: more I read to it, the more it makes sense
Speaker 1: as to how we really are a terrarium, almost as
Speaker 1: God built us a terrarium for us to survive, and well,
Speaker 1: to get oxygen, you have to split water molecules through electrolysis,
Speaker 1: and and so it just kind of makes sense that
Speaker 1: we're not this spinning blue ball through all this vast,
Speaker 1: never ending space, and it just makes sense that it's
Speaker 1: it's a self sustaining terrarium almost, And I that might
Speaker 1: sound like a far fetched reach, but it just that
Speaker 1: just things like that helps me make more sense of
Speaker 1: this whole grander built thing. By God.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think terrarium is a perfectly I mean with
Speaker 3: the firmament over top of it. Terrarium is a good explanation. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a very simple explanation. And science wants to tell
Speaker 3: you all these the gravities, the spinning, the distances and
Speaker 3: all the other nonsense. When again Occam's razor usually ninety
Speaker 3: nine percent of the time comes out to be proper reasoning.
Speaker 3: And it's very much in this case and what really
Speaker 3: to this day and again, I just you got to
Speaker 3: tip your cap to these guys because the efforts that
Speaker 3: the subconscious programming, and once you're awake to this, you
Speaker 3: really notice it. Every time my wife and I sit
Speaker 3: down and we'll go back and watch a movie, whether
Speaker 3: it's from the sixties, seventies or eighties. Man, there's the globe.
Speaker 3: So we saw a movie, Yeah, we saw a movie
Speaker 3: twenty years ago called Evolution. It had David d'covney from
Speaker 3: The X Files in it, which is a comedy and
Speaker 3: it's evolution and it's showing how these things continue to evolve.
Speaker 3: But at the end they had their driving a fire truck,
Speaker 3: and the fire truck has the number thirty three on it,
Speaker 3: and they're talking at about particular you know, the evolution theory.
Speaker 3: It's just man, when you can see these things, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's that You're right, the thirty three the
Speaker 1: Masonic numbers. So it's they are literally throwing in our
Speaker 1: face and probably laughing at us at the same time.
Speaker 3: Now, when we talk about government cover ups, these are
Speaker 3: really the people at the highest levels who Again, these
Speaker 3: aren't Johnny on the streets, who work really hard and
Speaker 3: go to college and pay their taxes and raise money
Speaker 3: organically and become presidents. These people are part of clubs.
Speaker 3: Whether it's I think it's more. I was listening to
Speaker 3: a great sermon yesterday and if I can find it,
Speaker 3: I'll put it in the notes. Talking about the seed lines, right,
Speaker 3: because the pastor made a great point that he didn't
Speaker 3: flood the world simply because people were out or being simple.
Speaker 3: It was because the perversion of his seed line. You know,
Speaker 3: he specifically noted genes sixis six, et cetera. And I
Speaker 3: really see because even made the point that these people
Speaker 3: are attacking our bloodlines through mRNA vaccinations, they're attacking our
Speaker 3: food supply with GMO, because what is the M in
Speaker 3: that modifying? So you have these people who are modifying
Speaker 3: people and modifying like everything of God's creation.
Speaker 1: Yep, gene modification.
Speaker 3: I mean really, that's at the root of evil.
Speaker 5: It is yep.
Speaker 1: And then we you make a great point there, and
Speaker 1: then you look into crisper technologies and the way they
Speaker 1: can literally design a human the way you want it.
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely insane. They're trying to play God and
Speaker 1: it's just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3: And I worry about the consent part because we always
Speaker 3: used to believe that, oh, they had to have your
Speaker 3: consent before they could do these things. But I'll tell you,
Speaker 3: over the last twenty five years, and I go back
Speaker 3: to nine to eleven again, it seems like much of
Speaker 3: that consent, like Satan could lead you to a certain
Speaker 3: point right, but you had to You were the ones
Speaker 3: who had to do it right. So for example, going
Speaker 3: to get an mr anda jab, that's your consent, no
Speaker 3: matter how much like they threaten your job. They do this,
Speaker 3: but they didn't physically tie you down and jab you.
Speaker 3: But it seems to me, over the last twenty five years,
Speaker 3: they've really pushed the limit.
Speaker 1: On that stuff. Yes, yeah, they've muted you enough to
Speaker 1: where you feel power Well, the majority of the population
Speaker 1: feels powerless, almost as like you said, they're not holding
Speaker 1: you down, but they're dangling that apple in front of
Speaker 1: the entire population. If you do this, you get this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it sort's scary.
Speaker 1: Ye to me.
Speaker 3: It seems like conditioning of the of the coming mark
Speaker 3: of the beast.
Speaker 1: All of it is just conditioning, social conditioning.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, if you want this, you're going to have
Speaker 3: to do that. That's really what it's going to come
Speaker 3: down to.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 5: And when you go back to talking about those that
Speaker 5: truly run.
Speaker 1: It, I believe that there is a there is a
Speaker 1: group of people that full on run this entire world
Speaker 1: from the highest powers we have in this world. They're
Speaker 1: all combined in it together.
Speaker 3: I agree. So let me ask you a couple of questions. Then,
Speaker 3: do you think it's family names that we have heard of,
Speaker 3: or do you think there are powers behind those names
Speaker 3: that are much more powerful that we don't even know of.
Speaker 5: I believe it's deeper than what.
Speaker 1: We think. A lot of people think of it as
Speaker 1: a family name or you know, the elite families or whatever.
Speaker 1: But after learning everything and seeing everything, all it is
Speaker 1: is a false target. Look here, while we do this
Speaker 1: over here, bill hands switch game.
Speaker 3: Yeah slight a hand like the magicians.
Speaker 1: Right, Yep, they're only letting us see what they want
Speaker 1: us to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's for sure. I saw a comment that somebody
Speaker 3: made on social media saying that we are so wrapped
Speaker 3: up with technology and the dopamines and you know, the
Speaker 3: instantaneous gratification in today's world that we kind of miss
Speaker 3: that spiritual realm that maybe that you know, back in
Speaker 3: biblical times where they witness these things, maybe they could
Speaker 3: even see, you know, the demons or certain entities. Yep,
Speaker 3: that we through everything, whether whether it's radios or whatever,
Speaker 3: or just that we even something as simple as somebody said, somebody,
Speaker 3: even something as simple as wearing shoes not being grounded anymore,
Speaker 3: and you know, those kind of things have come pulled
Speaker 3: us away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, it really is.
Speaker 1: It's even even the same as kids and in this
Speaker 1: generation nowadays that don't get out and actually get in
Speaker 1: the sunlight, you know, get the old sunburns and actually
Speaker 1: just get dirty and work hard. It's there. They're no
Speaker 1: longer grounded to this reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a good point. You see the children
Speaker 3: of today versus well, you know, I grew up in
Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties, so it was certainly that's not
Speaker 3: even fair to compare. But even back to the nineties,
Speaker 3: even they had technology then, even the handheld, the initial
Speaker 3: game boys, they were still outside playing ball, getting the sun.
Speaker 3: But the worrisome thing is is the telephone, the telephones,
Speaker 3: the cell phones, the screens, yes you know, the dark
Speaker 3: mirror if you will, and these things that can truly
Speaker 3: control people's minds, and just the perversions that lie there. It's,
Speaker 3: you know, the biggest worries of our generation and the
Speaker 3: worries of today. You know, my parents could just turn
Speaker 3: off the TV and I was set right, I was
Speaker 3: tuned out. But now it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh it's insane. And I always tell my kids stories
Speaker 1: about I mean, you didn't go in the house until
Speaker 1: the porch light came on, because if you did, you
Speaker 1: had more chores than what you wanted. So you went
Speaker 1: out and you found something to do.
Speaker 3: Yep, we went out and played baseball or wiffle ball,
Speaker 3: and when the street lights came on it was time
Speaker 3: to go home.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it's and like you said, it's everything's conditioning
Speaker 1: apparatus tool.
Speaker 5: I guess, from anything on the.
Speaker 1: News, to the the handheld cell phones to you know,
Speaker 1: all the apps that come on them. But I mean,
Speaker 1: just like the the bombing in Iran, I mean, who
Speaker 1: knows what that was really covering up while we were
Speaker 1: looking there, what they were really doing behind the behind
Speaker 1: the curtains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point that that is something that
Speaker 3: we should be asking, you know, when when our everyone
Speaker 3: in the world is focused in one direction, But the
Speaker 3: question is where do you even look when these things
Speaker 3: are going on?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty daunting times, it is, for sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: and then right before that you have all the the
Speaker 1: UH protest going on. We got a whole another summer
Speaker 1: of love coming up, I believe, and.
Speaker 5: It it's just more more distraction from what really is
Speaker 5: going to come up.
Speaker 3: I agree. And Uh, do you believe that in our
Speaker 3: lifetime that we're going to see things such as a
Speaker 3: one world government and you know, maybe a universal dollar,
Speaker 3: things of that nature, or do you think they still
Speaker 3: have a ways to go to execute that?
Speaker 1: You know, I hope I'm wrong, but I I really
Speaker 1: think that the Agenda twenty thirty is somewhat real.
Speaker 3: So you think the last five years.
Speaker 1: It's pretty scary and as hard and fast as they're
Speaker 1: pushing AI.
Speaker 5: And just like you said with RFK and the risk.
Speaker 1: Band thing, I mean it, I don't know it. Everybody
Speaker 1: in government's just a puppet to someone else, and it's
Speaker 1: you got the master puppeteer at the very top who
Speaker 1: we don't know who it is, but everyone plays their
Speaker 1: role and I believe that. I hope I'm wrong, but
Speaker 1: I believe we're heading for the true agenda twenty thirty.
Speaker 1: And they weren't very silent about that. I can remember
Speaker 1: when I worked for Cummings. I left them in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen and they just started pushing the ESG really hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had to go to so many sensitivity
Speaker 1: trainings and I don't know what else you'd call it,
Speaker 1: but it's just everything that falls in that ESG. I
Speaker 1: mean we had to sit through class after class. Instead
Speaker 1: of going and working on engines, we were sitting there
Speaker 1: in sensitivity training and everything else that we need to
Speaker 1: be able to conform with society so that everybody feels
Speaker 1: loved and everybody gets a trophy. It was insane and
Speaker 1: I left there. Then it was the last time I
Speaker 1: worked for big corporate America.
Speaker 3: That's interesting you mentioned that, because you would have gotten
Speaker 3: out of the army in what six o seven? Yeah, seven,
Speaker 3: And I started to notice that when I uh redeployed
Speaker 3: I for my fifteenth month tour No.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and seven and nine, I guess about twenty ten,
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, we were going through the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: Like I had guys who needed to go out to
Speaker 3: the range and zero their weapon or do low density training.
Speaker 3: But we're in these classes what did they call them,
Speaker 3: sharp classes doing all of these things. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? And then they had male
Speaker 3: NCOs wearing red heels and all of this other stuff.
Speaker 3: It's just like, I know I've said it before, but man,
Speaker 3: I was really when it was time to retire. It
Speaker 3: was really time to go. I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was just that's the way it is with generational kind
Speaker 3: of ideology, but to me, it was you just can't
Speaker 3: have wokeness in that line of business. This is something
Speaker 3: completely different than any other corporation in the world. This
Speaker 3: is when you look at the down and dirty mission
Speaker 3: of the United States military is just one mission, and
Speaker 3: that's to kill the enemy. And here you are, you
Speaker 3: have guys these classes, and I'm just like, man, we're
Speaker 3: in trouble. If the rubber ever has to really hit
Speaker 3: the road.
Speaker 5: It's absolutely insane. And I think this all started.
Speaker 1: So. I mean, I had a little cousin that joined
Speaker 1: after me and my brother, and so he when I
Speaker 1: was getting out, he had just went to basic training
Speaker 1: in Fort Jackson, relaxing Jackson, of course. But right during
Speaker 1: then is when they started handing out the stress cards.
Speaker 1: And when he came back between that and ait, he
Speaker 1: was asking me if we had those, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is this stress card? I mean, and
Speaker 1: they hold him up when drill sergeant was getting too
Speaker 1: too verbal with them.
Speaker 3: Wow, my drill sartin. Would a body slammed me?
Speaker 1: Right, That's what my dad said. He always told me
Speaker 1: the stories of the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: Drill sergeantcy Yeah, man, I went in eighty seven and
Speaker 3: he was a mean guy until the last day. I
Speaker 3: was just normal guy. Hey, I'm done, I'm going fishing tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll see you like, what are you ready to
Speaker 3: murder me yesterday?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the world's changed, definitely. It really had crazy
Speaker 1: what twenty years will do.
Speaker 3: In your course of rabbit hole research, you obviously had
Speaker 3: to come upon the moon landing. What was your thoughts
Speaker 3: on that?
Speaker 1: Oh? I knew that thing was fake since day one.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a little kid, there's no way. I
Speaker 1: always wondered, how the heck do they fit that thing
Speaker 1: in that tiny little lander of a made out of
Speaker 1: what looked like tinfoil? And to me, I guess that's
Speaker 1: where the tinfoil hat came from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: I mean they wadded it up when they were done
Speaker 1: and built a hat out of it. And then we emerged.
Speaker 1: I call myself a conspiracy realist versus a theorist.
Speaker 3: We're we're people say what's the difference between a conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory and the truth? And I say it's about six
Speaker 3: weeks nowadays.
Speaker 1: It is, It really is. It's all that whole thing though.
Speaker 1: And then you got that that new show with Channing
Speaker 1: Tatum to Fly Me to the Moon. Oh that one.
Speaker 5: They really throw it in your face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do.
Speaker 5: It is straight up throw it in your face.
Speaker 3: So I'll ask you a couple of questions, and I
Speaker 3: want you to questions partan me, and I want you
Speaker 3: to tell me your thoughts on it. Number One, at
Speaker 3: what point and we're talking about Apollo eleven here July twentieth,
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen sixty nine, At what point do you
Speaker 3: think those three guys knew that they weren't going to
Speaker 3: the moon?
Speaker 1: Probably five minutes prior to onboarding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's they let them.
Speaker 5: They let them believe it until the very end.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That seems to be a ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 3: people who I have spoken to that's been and their theory.
Speaker 3: And you can just look at man and I know
Speaker 3: people say they don't feel bad for them, but I mean,
Speaker 3: could you imagine Number one. On one side, you are
Speaker 3: known as the man who went to the moon, and
Speaker 3: this guy's great great great great grandson. You know, I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I'm part of the lineage who went
Speaker 3: to the moon. But at the same time you had
Speaker 3: the people that were calling his dad a fraud. But
Speaker 3: obviously Neil couldn't handle it. He never came out and
Speaker 3: talked to the one guy who went to the moon.
Speaker 3: I'd be doing press conferences. I'd be sponsored by Nike,
Speaker 3: you know, Gatorade commercials. Oh yes, in my nineties until
Speaker 3: the end of my life. Right, you'd be on book tours.
Speaker 3: This guy just became a recluse because and it's really
Speaker 3: evil when you think about it.
Speaker 1: I mean it is in a way. I do feel
Speaker 1: bad for those astronauts. But and I guess as we
Speaker 1: get older, we lose filters. And you could tell that
Speaker 1: when buzz Aldrin punched that guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But but something that made me kind of rethink my
Speaker 3: feelings towards this was when Bart Sibrel interviewed that guy
Speaker 3: in his house and he forgot to take he got
Speaker 3: kicked out of the house, but he accidentally left the
Speaker 3: mic on that guy, and you could overhear him saying, Hey,
Speaker 3: do you want us to call the CIA and take
Speaker 3: this guy out?
Speaker 1: So, I mean, man, obvious, that is a new learning
Speaker 1: for me. What you just told me.
Speaker 3: Oh you haven't seen that. I will, I will, I'll
Speaker 3: send you that done.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: It was in one of his documentaries. He hit the
Speaker 3: guy and his son was there and they threw him
Speaker 3: out of the house. But he got out in such
Speaker 3: a rush. He didn't take his microphone off, and he
Speaker 3: didn't hear it until he went home and replayed the
Speaker 3: audio to do with editing. He's like, holy cow. So
Speaker 3: you know that makes you think. Obviously they told them
Speaker 3: if you tell a soul, you know your family's going
Speaker 3: to die in a plane act or something to that nature.
Speaker 3: So you know, what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that that's a rough spot to be in.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I think a lot of situations that go
Speaker 1: down that same path. I mean there's lots of things
Speaker 1: that that just like we were talking about the polymetallic nodules,
Speaker 1: I mean they they had a secret, uh cover up.
Speaker 5: It was Operation Azar.
Speaker 1: And that what what they said it was for was
Speaker 1: to recover a Russian submarine and well they were obviously
Speaker 1: doing other things, and it's just you never know what
Speaker 1: they really have going on. And the the lifelong government
Speaker 1: employees that get wrapped up in it and chewed up
Speaker 1: and spit out, it's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: What did you said it was Azar?
Speaker 1: Operation Azar?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's interesting because didn't Alex it's Azar? A Zar
Speaker 3: was any part of the genesis of Operation Warp Speed.
Speaker 1: It might be, so, oh, I apologize it was project
Speaker 1: is Oriented, Project is.
Speaker 3: Orient project Azorian. Yes, oh there it is. Okay, that's right,
Speaker 3: the K one twenty nine, that's right, yep, yep. So
Speaker 3: it was also called Jennifer by the press because of
Speaker 3: its top secret security. It was a us CIA project
Speaker 3: to recover the sunken Soviet submarine K one twenty nine
Speaker 3: from the Pacific Ocean in nineteen seventy four. Yes, and
Speaker 3: this had ties Project.
Speaker 1: Building Bloomer Explorer to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's crazy that this the the clandestine operations that
Speaker 3: these guys run, because that basically went hand in hand
Speaker 3: with Project Mohole, which was attempt for them to drill
Speaker 3: it was in the sixties through the Earth's crust to
Speaker 3: obtain samples of all this other crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny drilling through the crust.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but listen, if you think about it, some of
Speaker 3: these you know the think about it, right. You you
Speaker 3: start an LLC, you have oil or maybe you have
Speaker 3: an oil drilling operation that dried up, and you have
Speaker 3: all this equipment, and you know your buddy at the CIA, sir,
Speaker 3: we have this top secret program that we need you
Speaker 3: to sign sign off on. And they take this old
Speaker 3: drilling equipment out there and they get a huge contract.
Speaker 3: Like how many of these things do you think they
Speaker 3: make up just to to make money off of the government.
Speaker 5: Right, Yep, it goes back to Massa too. It is
Speaker 5: just another cover up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is a great link to it, says
Speaker 3: the project and this is Project Mohol. I'll put the
Speaker 3: links in the notes. The project was intended to provide
Speaker 3: an earth science compliment to the high profile space race.
Speaker 5: Oh man, it is just unbelievable. And going back to
Speaker 5: the to the moon.
Speaker 1: Yes, we were falling behind and Russia was absolutely destroying
Speaker 1: us in technology.
Speaker 3: So do you think that was the primary reason why
Speaker 3: they did this?
Speaker 1: See?
Speaker 3: The only issue I have with that. I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: on technology, technological advances, we could argue that, but at
Speaker 3: some point when do all the agencies get together. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it kind of similar to like nukes. It's like
Speaker 3: it's just one giant game of bluff to whereas if
Speaker 3: any anybody came out.
Speaker 1: Anymore, I believe that's right. I apologize, but anymore, I
Speaker 1: believe that's that's right. Just like the bombing that just
Speaker 1: happened there, and then you hear so many contro stories
Speaker 1: that Trump had warned them and they were working with you.
Speaker 1: You can bomb us here in Qatar, but only this
Speaker 1: certain spot. I mean, everything just links together where it's
Speaker 1: all one. I mean, we might already be in one
Speaker 1: world organization.
Speaker 3: I believe it's been that way for a long long time. Probably.
Speaker 3: I think this the fate was pretty much sealed at
Speaker 3: the end of World War Two. And there may have
Speaker 3: been a few I guess you could call them outlanders
Speaker 3: out there, yep, But I think for the most part,
Speaker 3: you're right. I think most of the governments are you know,
Speaker 3: you're going to be the good guy, you're going to
Speaker 3: be the bad guy. But obviously when you say that,
Speaker 3: it's viewed differently. So here in the United States, many
Speaker 3: people view Putin as this evil dictator, while in Russia
Speaker 3: and other countries, is it's just WWE. Like some people
Speaker 3: like rooting for the heels, some people like rooting for
Speaker 3: the good guys.
Speaker 5: That's exactly it.
Speaker 1: It's just that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 5: It is a WWE. It's just absolutely insane, and so
Speaker 5: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really just one big motion picture. If you
Speaker 1: really put it all, you set it all out on
Speaker 1: a table and count the pieces. It's all leads to
Speaker 1: one big motion picture produced in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more. Do you think there was one event
Speaker 3: or one timeframe when the powers that be got together
Speaker 3: and said, hey, this particular psychological operation can really help
Speaker 3: us lead people away from God? Or do you think
Speaker 3: there was one moment when this globe Earth operation went
Speaker 3: into effect?
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, I can't think. But
Speaker 1: I mean you look at Universal Studios when that came
Speaker 1: out with the Earth spinning around and that right around
Speaker 1: the same time that the you know, Department of Education
Speaker 1: was created in the Treasury and it so I mean it,
Speaker 1: I guess may maybe clear back as far as the
Speaker 1: you know, mid to late twenties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, the thirties for sure, is
Speaker 3: when Germany, you know, they're in this huge transition from
Speaker 3: Weimar to national socialism, and they have these boats all
Speaker 3: the way you know, this is Germany. They're locked in Europe,
Speaker 3: right and they have these ships all the way down
Speaker 3: in Antarctica. Now we're told in our history books that
Speaker 3: they were fishing for whale for the fat. And forgive
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, I'm shooting from the hip here,
Speaker 3: but I think it was like what they used for
Speaker 3: soap like like it was that kind of story. And
Speaker 3: then a few years later, you know, we're fighting World
Speaker 3: War two against them. I tend to believe, and I
Speaker 3: could be wrong here, but I think obviously all these
Speaker 3: wars that there's something we don't know about, there's a
Speaker 3: greater story behind it. In many cases, maybe it's just
Speaker 3: population control. That's one of their That was their first
Speaker 3: guideline on the Georgia guidestones. Right, But did they come
Speaker 3: upon a technology down there that they didn't tell us about?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: We saw the bell those bell ufo looking things that
Speaker 3: the Nazis had in the thirties and forties. They had
Speaker 3: Skype in the thirties, they had the VW built, they
Speaker 3: built the Audubon, and all of a sudden they went
Speaker 3: from Wymar, which was completely broke, pictures of people with
Speaker 3: wheelbarrels of cash walking through the street, to ten years later. Yes,
Speaker 3: they're one of the most powerful countries in the world.
Speaker 3: So I really think there's something bigger here.
Speaker 1: There is, and I I mean there might be a
Speaker 1: lot of your viewers that think, like me too, there's
Speaker 1: there We have uncovered technology somewhere along our line in
Speaker 1: the in the last fifty years, because I just don't
Speaker 1: believe that we can go from, like you said, pushing
Speaker 1: wheelbarrows and horse drawn cannons in World War Two to
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you got the V two rocket.
Speaker 5: And just the technology we have now.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had to have obtained it somehow, and
Speaker 1: so I believe that they did find something down there.
Speaker 1: And then how every we can't in the world. We
Speaker 1: can't agree on one thing, but we can all agree
Speaker 1: on the Antarctic Treaty, right. It just blows my mind
Speaker 1: that we have so much turmoil so called on the media,
Speaker 1: but we can agree that Antarctica is off limits. So
Speaker 1: there's lots of so many wormholes. That's why I like
Speaker 1: listening to your show. It's just get a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of different ideas out there, and I like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wormholes never end. And just to clarify here
Speaker 3: said during the late nineteen thirties, the German Antarctic Expedition
Speaker 3: of thirty eight and thirty nine, they were engaged in
Speaker 3: whaling activities in Antarctica. And now what they're saying these
Speaker 3: expeditions secured from the whales the fat produced margarine, which
Speaker 3: is a staple food in Germany. Okay, well, I mean
Speaker 3: margarine slash butter. I mean that's a staple in every
Speaker 3: country in the world, right, right, you can make it
Speaker 3: with margarine slash butter, you know, with cream. But they
Speaker 3: also said various military applications including machine uber crints, lubri
Speaker 3: can't s pardon me, and as an additive to nitroglycerin.
Speaker 3: So of course they claim new Swabia, there just has
Speaker 3: to be something man, Because now I hear people argue
Speaker 3: that as technology advance or advances, pardon me, it's been
Speaker 3: a long day. As technology advances, things speed up, right
Speaker 3: that you know, at once you create fire, you know,
Speaker 3: like they say that you still got to do the
Speaker 3: wheel and it takes a long time, but once you
Speaker 3: start getting tools and resources, things accelerate. I'll buy that
Speaker 3: to a certain extent, right because literally from the Civil War,
Speaker 3: which yes, they had trains at that point with I
Speaker 3: think steam engines to the eighteen hundred eighteen eighties cars
Speaker 3: and then planes after that, and by the twenties and
Speaker 3: thirties they had just airline transportation was just par for
Speaker 3: the course. It's just crazy, but so I think another
Speaker 3: thing that gets overlooked a lot is the Hindenberg explosion
Speaker 3: and how they just through one accident they got rid
Speaker 3: of that completely, right, So airplanes crash all the time.
Speaker 3: The airlines continue. Unfortunately, I think the last time I
Speaker 3: looked forty thousand people in America dying car crashes every year.
Speaker 3: They keep manufacturing cars. But these Zeppelins, that was it.
Speaker 5: Yep, it just ended.
Speaker 1: And you can read all kinds of things about that
Speaker 1: where it says it was, you know, another another way
Speaker 1: to help fast forward to where we were going and
Speaker 1: in the in the World War two and then but
Speaker 1: just like you said, one way to get rid of something.
Speaker 1: Just like you hear of lots of people that invent
Speaker 1: you know, like the hyder or the engine that runs
Speaker 1: on air. And he was executed and somehow found worry
Speaker 1: off himself and so you never know, there's lots of
Speaker 1: there's so many cover ups.
Speaker 5: It's just insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately that going up against the medical, military and
Speaker 3: big oil is in many cases it's a death sentence.
Speaker 3: And that's just that's factual kind of transitioning to flatter earth.
Speaker 3: What do you remember what year it was or was
Speaker 3: there a certain event that you decided to buckle down
Speaker 3: and look into this or was this something you came upon.
Speaker 1: No, I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't pin point an exact date.
Speaker 1: But it's just like I said, it's almost it's almost
Speaker 1: like I've never believed in the spinning round, big beautiful ball, right,
Speaker 1: So it I just I've never really bought into it,
Speaker 1: and I've always I've always been a doubter of that,
Speaker 1: no matter, no matter what else. I never doubted vaccines,
Speaker 1: I never doubted the government, never doubted that we went
Speaker 1: and did what we did so that it made the
Speaker 1: world a better place. But one thing I can know
Speaker 1: is I never, never ever believed in that we were
Speaker 1: something that just came out of a speck of dust
Speaker 1: in the midst of here black and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: everything in the universe was created.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's silly. Do you remember finding maybe a video
Speaker 3: or realizing that there's other people out there the community?
Speaker 3: And I guess the part two of that question would be,
Speaker 3: how did it go the first time you tried to
Speaker 3: share that with someone?
Speaker 1: So the first time, the very first person is my wife,
Speaker 1: and my wife's my rid or die She even if
Speaker 1: she doubts she is open to hearing it, and she'll
Speaker 1: full on debate me and then we'll talk about things
Speaker 1: and we move forward. And she now, even now, even
Speaker 1: my wife has looks at everything and she's like, this
Speaker 1: is not real, that we are not what what they
Speaker 1: say we are. That's all she Yeah, been good. I've
Speaker 1: I've told it to lots of my dad, my brother,
Speaker 1: and a couple buddies I've worked with, but they they
Speaker 1: kind of laugh it off. But I you know, the
Speaker 1: more the more I present it, the more they're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is not real. We are not But they all
Speaker 1: still believe in evolution. Oh yeah, they're still most most
Speaker 1: anybody I know, they don't. They may not believe in evolution,
Speaker 1: but they're still on the thought of the big bang.
Speaker 3: Now are these people? Would you say their church are
Speaker 3: going Christians or not so much?
Speaker 1: Well, everybody I know here in Utah was at some
Speaker 1: point either LDS Christian, Yeah, faith, faith based people exactly.
Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it. And that's so
Speaker 3: surprising to me because and I've I'm very clear about
Speaker 3: this with people. I don't I won't even tolerate a
Speaker 3: conversation evolution and the Book of genesis does not. They're
Speaker 3: not compatible in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: No, they're not. We did not come from a salamander
Speaker 1: looking thing up out of the ocean. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense to the so called missing link. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just just doesn't make sense. We were built in
Speaker 1: God's image and we were purpose built. We're not a deficiency.
Speaker 1: We're not an accident. We were purpose built.
Speaker 3: That's right. And unfortunately many of the deficiencies that we
Speaker 3: see today are man made, right, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: these things that you know, And again I'm not here
Speaker 3: to bash science. As far as you know medicine, there's
Speaker 3: been many great, uh, you know, discoveries that have helped
Speaker 3: ease you know, things that maybe two hundred years ago
Speaker 3: was a death sentence. Today we can just get something
Speaker 3: over not over the counter, but are prescription and we're
Speaker 3: good to go, you know, a marxacyllin or whatever, you know, penicillin.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, many of the you know,
Speaker 3: let's just call it what it is, the pharmaceutical industrial complex,
Speaker 3: all these vaccines, I believe their generational ramifications with some
Speaker 3: of these, the same as if you if you delineate
Speaker 3: a seat in the ground it's offspring is going to
Speaker 3: be delineated.
Speaker 5: Yes, yep.
Speaker 1: And just like the flu vaccine that leads to GBS,
Speaker 1: you know, the gule embars syndrome. I mean, people are
Speaker 1: upright walking one day and they get that. And I
Speaker 1: know several people that have had Gulian bear and they
Speaker 1: still have it. They can't get rid of it. And
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. Everything is manufactured to make
Speaker 1: I mean, without dependency of medical care, you they wouldn't
Speaker 1: make no money.
Speaker 3: That that's something that I that I try to remind
Speaker 3: people when I have that conversation with them that anytime
Speaker 3: something becomes a business, the shareholders of the number one
Speaker 3: priority yep. And nobody can argue that. And we saw
Speaker 3: shareholders get rewarded in just unbelievable ways from twenty twenty
Speaker 3: through the next few years after that. Although I will
Speaker 3: say hopefully that it has woken enough people up that
Speaker 3: they're reaping what they sewed back in you know, twenty twenty, yep.
Speaker 5: I share.
Speaker 1: I sure hope that because a lot of people made
Speaker 1: it very big off of that vaccine and it really
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. I mean, you look at just like
Speaker 1: we were talking about the flu vaccine, they build it
Speaker 1: for last year's variant and it never is the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, the flu is always mutating and finding ways
Speaker 1: to beat their so called vaccine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was interesting when the Cleveland Clinic released their
Speaker 3: studies a month ago and they said, if you got
Speaker 3: the flu shot in the fall of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: you had I think the number was a twenty seven
Speaker 3: percent more of a chance of getting the flu than
Speaker 3: if you were unvaccinated. Yep, like that is just.
Speaker 1: It's pretty insane what they tell us. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people believe it though, And it's almost sad for
Speaker 1: the people that continuously keep on believing in what they're fed.
Speaker 1: That the information they're fed, they just eat it like
Speaker 1: literal word salad, and they eat it up.
Speaker 3: So I believe we as humans, we are very much
Speaker 3: most of us, not everybody, but most of us are
Speaker 3: creatures of habit and we don't feel comfortable going against
Speaker 3: the grain. And we're brought up, like you said in
Speaker 3: the beginning, when we're brought up in a world where you,
Speaker 3: you know, do this, you get your vaccines in the fall.
Speaker 3: It's just something that subconsciously it makes it more difficult.
Speaker 3: Even when you have the evidence placed in front of you,
Speaker 3: so that brings us full circle. Even when we have
Speaker 3: all of these flat earth proofs, people still have that
Speaker 3: subconscious psychological propagation that they can't see the truth when
Speaker 3: it's right in front of.
Speaker 1: Them, right, and I mean the simplest things. That water
Speaker 1: finds its level, you can see you. So in prude
Speaker 1: O Bay, it's one of the flattest places I've ever
Speaker 1: been until you you can see the Brooks Range, which
Speaker 1: is over one hundred miles away. But you can literally
Speaker 1: look out anywhere and see I mean, never ending sight.
Speaker 1: It's insane and that right there should be evidence in
Speaker 1: its own and people still just keep on believing it
Speaker 1: is that at the Puedo State Park, Uh, prude O Bay, Alaska,
Speaker 1: dead Horse or Alaska.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Yep, you can.
Speaker 1: You can. You can stand at any given point on
Speaker 1: the on the shoreline there and you can see the
Speaker 1: Brooks Range, which is anywhere from seventy two miles to
Speaker 1: one hundred miles away. Granted they're they're pretty tall mountains,
Speaker 1: but still, I mean you if there was a light
Speaker 1: shining in Cactobic, which is one hundred miles away, you
Speaker 1: can see it.
Speaker 3: When I put that into Google, it told me it
Speaker 3: is that the same as Proto Bay oil fill.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha, gotcha. So that's at the very northern point
Speaker 3: of the last.
Speaker 5: Like up top, top, top top top.
Speaker 1: Yep, nice warm weather up there is so oh yeah, nice,
Speaker 1: nice tropical weather.
Speaker 3: That place is pulling in well twenty five billion barrels
Speaker 3: of oil. Yep, my goodness, gracious. Back to your your proofs.
Speaker 3: You you'd already mentioned water finds its level, which even
Speaker 3: with a level, there's water inside the level. People still
Speaker 3: don't want to hear that. What other proofs will you
Speaker 3: present to people when when you're having this conversation, So
Speaker 3: your your silver bullets, if you will.
Speaker 1: So I bring up line of sight, you know, and
Speaker 1: I do. I do a lot of long range shooting
Speaker 1: as as a hobby. Number one thing is the Coriolis effect.
Speaker 1: That's just insane. I even at seventeen hundred yards, you know,
Speaker 1: seventy sixty one mile, even up to twenty two hundred yards,
Speaker 1: I do not have to count for the Coriolis effect,
Speaker 1: that's right. I accommodate for wind, temperature, atmospheric pressure, but
Speaker 1: not not correolis.
Speaker 5: So I I like to take people out shooting with
Speaker 5: me and show them that that has nothing to do
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 1: I bring up the moon in the sun that there's
Speaker 1: no way that big old giant fireball is ninety three
Speaker 1: million miles away. There's just no way. And if it was,
Speaker 1: if it was truly curved, how does light accent on
Speaker 1: different points at the same different time, if it was
Speaker 1: a spear.
Speaker 3: I agree that that to me is one of the
Speaker 3: most important ones. Every time when I'm driving in the evening,
Speaker 3: you know it's the sun starting to set as we
Speaker 3: call it the or even in the mornings, early mornings.
Speaker 3: The way the rays are coming through the clouds, It's
Speaker 3: just there's no way that if it came from that distance,
Speaker 3: they would come. You know, this spread apart in that
Speaker 3: type of array, the crepuscular I think it's called Chris puppy,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean exactly, the way it cuts through to
Speaker 1: at almost at five degree angle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no matter where you're at.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Let me ask you this real quick
Speaker 3: before I forget in your opinion, and do you have
Speaker 3: an idea what you believe? You know, they tell us
Speaker 3: the moon and the sun and the moon specifically causes
Speaker 3: the tides high tide low two times a day. Is
Speaker 3: that something you had ever thought about?
Speaker 1: So being being to so many different you know, coastal
Speaker 1: lines and lake shores and ponds, it just it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 5: That's that's all. That's all wind, pressure and time.
Speaker 1: There's no just like gravity is a theoretical a theoretical
Speaker 1: science method. It's theoretical. It's not, which means it has
Speaker 1: not been proven. It's still not been proven. I believe
Speaker 1: that everything inside of our like we were talking earlier,
Speaker 1: our terrarium is all pressure and time. It's at that
Speaker 1: certain point inside of the terrarium. I believe that it
Speaker 1: will It will influence water levels, but not not not
Speaker 1: really water levels either because.
Speaker 5: Because the water levels, you're not.
Speaker 1: Going to influence them to the point of like I mean,
Speaker 1: some shorelines you'll get a six foot title uh influence,
Speaker 1: but that's just because of wind and all the time
Speaker 1: you have wind after that really high tide.
Speaker 5: The wind comes after.
Speaker 1: The tide does. So I believe it's I believe it's
Speaker 1: a lot of the weather inside of archer Aim if
Speaker 1: that if you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not completely understand it certainly isn't the moon. That
Speaker 3: that is another one of the things that Isaac Newton
Speaker 3: came up with in he was part of the Philosophical
Speaker 3: Cli Philosophical Click all part of the click with Darwin
Speaker 3: and Darwinism Louis Pasture who came up with pasteurized milk, you.
Speaker 5: Know, yep, so yep.
Speaker 1: And speaking of past your eyes, I mean most of
Speaker 1: society is like a herd of cattle set out the pasture,
Speaker 1: and if you feed them, they'll not pay attention to anywhere.
Speaker 5: They have no susitional awareness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of goes back to that. That's saying,
Speaker 3: you know, hard times create hard men, and then you know,
Speaker 3: self times or easy times create soft men, and you
Speaker 3: know this vicious cycle. Yep, you know, And that's kind
Speaker 3: of where we're at now. And I think they're intentionally
Speaker 3: making people if they make you and I understand. Listen,
Speaker 3: the few times I've said this, I got an email
Speaker 3: and people are going through difficult times. I'm not saying this,
Speaker 3: and you know this applies to every single person, but
Speaker 3: in a general kind of snapshot compared to what many
Speaker 3: people live in this world, you know, with Wi Fi
Speaker 3: and cell phones and instant technology and your door dash
Speaker 3: and everything else. We live very comfortably, and I think
Speaker 3: they're intentionally doing that so that when it is time
Speaker 3: to put the rubber to the road, people will not
Speaker 3: want to get out of their comfort zones.
Speaker 5: That's exactly it.
Speaker 1: That's it. So a lot of even even as far
Speaker 1: as uh So, right before I left Cummings, we had
Speaker 1: we were moving towards what was called EDS and it
Speaker 1: was Electronic Diagnostic.
Speaker 5: Service support.
Speaker 1: It takes your brain out, you don't think, because now
Speaker 1: now most technicians nowadays allow the computers to do the thing,
Speaker 1: and so they don't they don't go outside the box.
Speaker 5: They rely on computers do everything for them. Just like
Speaker 5: you're saying.
Speaker 1: They now they have a comfort zone and they don't
Speaker 1: know how to function outside of that comfort zone anymore.
Speaker 3: It's a great point, and I'm sure there's a lot
Speaker 3: of other aspects industries that are in the same type
Speaker 3: of boat and people won't be willing, you know, many
Speaker 3: people won't be willing to give up their comforts, and
Speaker 3: that's really I think something that you know, I don't
Speaker 3: like to use the term prepper so much, but people
Speaker 3: who kind of have an understanding where things are going,
Speaker 3: and we try to look out for ourselves in case
Speaker 3: of something like this, people will probably laugh. But every
Speaker 3: spring or fall, not so much in the winter. Maybe
Speaker 3: in the winter my wife and I put up we
Speaker 3: have a beltint, an eighteen foot bell tint and the
Speaker 3: heater and we'll go out there. We'll set everything up
Speaker 3: and we'll spend a night out there. And it reminds
Speaker 3: you how how quick we you you know, how your
Speaker 3: life could change, going from all the modern comforts to
Speaker 3: just looking for shelter and be able to have fire
Speaker 3: for warmth and to cook your food. It is sobering
Speaker 3: and it also for us it helps us appreciate what
Speaker 3: we have.
Speaker 5: And that really does and.
Speaker 1: It's almost back to grounding experience. Lets you know that
Speaker 1: all this can go away. And it's funny even nowadays
Speaker 1: with all my kids are guilty of when the when
Speaker 1: the power goes that we have a power disruption and
Speaker 1: they leave their WiFi and their cell signal and they
Speaker 1: just almost have a melt down over it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll play a joke on them and unplug the
Speaker 1: router just to see how many of them will come
Speaker 1: out of their rooms.
Speaker 3: Nice, that's one way to do it. We're down to
Speaker 3: about the last ten minutes or so, was there any
Speaker 3: other rabbit holes that you wanted to mention or anything
Speaker 3: specific about flat Earth that you wanted to bring up.
Speaker 1: I guess with the flat earth thing, I just encourage
Speaker 1: anybody to just do their own research, don't just rely
Speaker 1: on what everybody says or what Ritah as a kid,
Speaker 1: and you know, be willing to chase the uncomfortable, be
Speaker 1: willing to you know, open your mind up and realize
Speaker 1: that there's more than just this programming that we've been
Speaker 1: all I've been through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the theme for these last couple
Speaker 3: of weeks I'd mentioned in my last interview. I believe that,
Speaker 3: you know, a local preacher was talking about exactly like,
Speaker 3: get out of your comfort zone. If you're if you're
Speaker 3: too comfortable, then you're probably not doing enough, whether it's
Speaker 3: you know, sharing the gospel or helping out your fellow man,
Speaker 3: or you know, because it's these type of conversations, whether
Speaker 3: it's biblical cosmology or sharing the gospel, and many times
Speaker 3: it's not comfortable to bring up with with other folks
Speaker 3: that you're not one hundred percent close with. Even some
Speaker 3: of these discussions are tough with even close families with
Speaker 3: brothers and sisters and parents. But I think we're at
Speaker 3: a time that these these conversations need to be broached.
Speaker 3: And I know there's a lot of people who were
Speaker 3: on the precipice of building up confidence to bring these
Speaker 3: things up to people, and I encourage everyone to just
Speaker 3: take the leap, and you never know what will be
Speaker 3: received on the other end.
Speaker 1: Right, And I totally agree with you, And I guess
Speaker 1: one point that I that we didn't bring up or
Speaker 1: I felt dimension is so through through discovering the flat Earth,
Speaker 1: if you will, it has brought me closer to God
Speaker 1: and the Gospel of you know, reading and actually understanding
Speaker 1: so many things that you take for granted in the
Speaker 1: Bible that are actually real and it tell I mean,
Speaker 1: it's right there, it tells you. And so through my
Speaker 1: discovery self discovery of all this it, I've learned that
Speaker 1: a lot, and I use I use that a lot.
Speaker 1: I'll I'll pull up Bible verses and show them, you know,
Speaker 1: and show them how to look it up for themselves.
Speaker 1: And for the most part, most conversations go pretty good.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get a laugh out of them, and sometimes
Speaker 1: they'll shrug it off, but usually they'll be like, hey,
Speaker 1: what we were talking about that? What was your meaning?
Speaker 1: You know, they always come back and they want to
Speaker 1: understand more one percent.
Speaker 3: And I've gotten so many emails from people who tell
Speaker 3: me that, hey, Bob listens to your podcast and he
Speaker 3: talked to me, and initially I blew him off. And
Speaker 3: it's a case of the you know, curiosity just eats
Speaker 3: out of them enough to where they go back and
Speaker 3: finally look and they do research and then like everybody else,
Speaker 3: two weeks later, have no sleep. They're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: this is real.
Speaker 1: It is. It is, it really is, and it's the
Speaker 1: most interesting thing I've ever came upon. It really is.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: And when you can see through Satan's deception and it's
Speaker 3: it's rewarding because you are aware of the world you're
Speaker 3: living in and the realism, like you mentioned, is extremely
Speaker 3: important understanding Like these people on the television, they're trying
Speaker 3: to instill fear with me. And you know how I
Speaker 3: can overcome it. Click that term. I don't have haven't
Speaker 3: had cable in years. I don't listen to that nonsense.
Speaker 3: I don't do the divide and conquer. I try to
Speaker 3: stay cognizant of what's going on around us. I'll peek in,
Speaker 3: but so much of it is silly now. It's just
Speaker 3: it's so much wasted energy when people could be doing
Speaker 3: so much more.
Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right, And through my understanding of all this,
Speaker 1: it's it's helped me under also understand that they're just
Speaker 1: talking heads on TV. They ain't. They ain't no different.
Speaker 1: In fact, they're they're less knowledgeable than what I ever
Speaker 1: thought they were.
Speaker 3: They are that there are people who were put on
Speaker 3: TV because of their looks, and they can read most
Speaker 3: of these news anchors. Like growing up, I believe that
Speaker 3: these people were out on the street trying to get
Speaker 3: the story on the phone, that they're just reading what
Speaker 3: they're told to read.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct, and it's an eye open urse. So
Speaker 1: when you start with this rat hole of flat earth
Speaker 1: and it opens up everything to more, eventually you're just
Speaker 1: wide awake, yep, and you can no longer be bought
Speaker 1: or sold. So I I very much appreciate my findings
Speaker 1: of this, and you do a heck of a job
Speaker 1: of getting the word out well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's been an honor and a privilege
Speaker 3: to have this conversation one or two times a week
Speaker 3: for the last two and a half years. It's you know,
Speaker 3: I feel really blessed to be able to talk about
Speaker 3: and talk about different rabbit holes and listen to people's journeys.
Speaker 3: It's truly been a blessing and I can't thank you
Speaker 3: enough for coming on this evening and sharing your story
Speaker 3: with everyone. And with that, I'll give you the final word.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you letting me on, George. I know
Speaker 1: you got a lot of people putting in to be
Speaker 1: able to do this. I'm grateful for the opportunity and
Speaker 1: I just love that you give the people all around
Speaker 1: the world the opportunity to voice and have a platform
Speaker 1: to speak on and because a lot of times a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't find it very comfortable to speak
Speaker 1: on it. They're almost you know, closet believers of it all,
Speaker 1: and you, well you let people express that, and so
Speaker 1: I congratulate you on that.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it, and I'm glad we were able
Speaker 3: to build a small community. And with that being said,
Speaker 3: Tyler his email will be in the show notes if
Speaker 3: you want to reach out to Tyler. That's one thing
Speaker 3: I do get back from people is you know, I
Speaker 3: had lunch with this guy you know, and now we're
Speaker 3: best friends. We're talking, we're chatting. So it's cool to
Speaker 3: see that people do connect, whether they're in the same
Speaker 3: town or on the other side of the world, just
Speaker 3: have a conversation when they can't have it with people
Speaker 3: in their circle. So again, Tyler, thanks for your time,
Speaker 3: and to all the listeners who continue to support the podcast,
Speaker 3: and to everyone who has come on and share their journey,
Speaker 3: thank you. And again, if you'd like to share your journey,
Speaker 3: please send us an email and we'll get back to
Speaker 3: you just as soon as we possibly can. Again for Tyler,
Speaker 3: I'm George, God bless you all. Keep your head on
Speaker 3: a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends, we
Speaker 3: will see.
Speaker 4: Oh the crowd expressing, they're calling out my name. Zach
Speaker 4: is the sinner carrying all this shame.
Speaker 3: A man the sycamore.
Speaker 4: I'm reaching for the sign Jesus is coming, gonna make
Speaker 4: this hard of mine.
Speaker 5: Give me shelter.
Speaker 2: All my soul.
Speaker 4: Are shame, Give me a shelter in your grace. I
Speaker 4: feed cross my saved yard.
Speaker 5: My seat.
Speaker 4: Through the coins were stacking, but my heart was cold.
Speaker 4: And stone taxman in the shadows. I was living all alone.
Speaker 4: Then you looked up at me with mercy in your eyes.
Speaker 4: Calm me down the follow Now my spirits lifted high.
Speaker 4: Give me a shelter, all my souls indeed from my
Speaker 4: greed and shame, Nor save me free. Give me a
Speaker 4: shelter in your grace. I fleed cross my saved, y'd
Speaker 4: hold my seat. Sin was raging, tearing through my day.
Speaker 4: But your love, Lord set my life for blaze. From
Speaker 4: the treaty of your table, You've made me home. Jesus,
Speaker 4: my redeemer, you restored my son. Give me shelter for
Speaker 4: my souls in need for my creed. Shave Lord, and
Speaker 4: reading me shelter in your grace. Something cross my save
Speaker 4: your I see old bow, still call it, but I'm
Speaker 4: safe in your embrace.
Speaker 6: Zachke has found redoption by your boundless grace. Love your all,
Speaker 6: my shelter in your love, stay forever you ask, Jesus,
Speaker 6: leave me all the way.
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