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this idea that all that call upon the God in

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the Bible. Remember when Trent said, the Islamic term God

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is just conditioned by divine revelations. So he tried to

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stay stray away from natural theology arguments. Contrary to Tomashevsky,

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he was trying to argue that just linguistically, when Mohammad

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picks up the term God, it's from the Old Testament

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or from what he's hearing, and that must be then

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the same unitarian reference of the Jews. That's why I

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was arguing that the Old Testament is not a Unitarian God,

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which he did not want to address in which he

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contradicted himself on because in the live stream right before that,

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a couple of nights earlier, he had said that David

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didn't know who Jesus was. The Trinity is not back

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at that time, they don't know Trinity yet. And did

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you catch in his quote going around that he was

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actually making an Astorian statement. He said, do you think

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that this Yeshuah revealed in the Old Testament, this ams

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with the Lord, you think that's Jesus? In Palestine, a

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Jew in the first century of Palestine. Yeah, unless you

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want to be a Nestorian. It's the same subject you

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goufhus So he didn't even know he's making Nestorian statements,

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but who knows. He was in a drunken stupor, so

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we don't even know if he was coherent or if

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he even recall. Who knows if he even recalls what

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he said today. And the other thing I've got the

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more I thought about it, I don't think this manner

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of acting out is not just what you see with

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somebody drunk. This is the pattern and manner of acting

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out of people on Ssriyes, and particularly if a person

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on SSRI eyes begins to drink, that's when you see

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this type of a manic manifestation. I don't know, just

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my speculation, but I've seen that many times over the years. Now,

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not only are they not brothers in the Brahmic faith,

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Jews are specifically with Muslims to be designated as different

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dressed people. Muslims should not inter marry with Christian women.

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Does this sound at all like the attitude that we're

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going to see by the time a Vatican two And

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I'm only putting this in here to express how different

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the attitude was of the papacy at this time. Jews

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may not hold public offices in Christian places. They are

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hostile to Christianity, and they must never be allowed to

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exercise power over Christ because we forbid this due to

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Jews being blasphemers. Does that sound like they have the

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same reference the love and adoration of the same deity.

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Later than four, the Catholic state must suppress Judaism. Wait

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about this is the same God, Why do we got

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to suppress it and suppress Jewish power? This is the

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Roman Catholic, medieval papal position. We order that Jews are

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compelled by the secular power to not exact interest and

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usury under the pain of excommunication for the princes who

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don't enforce this. So the pope is saying that Catholic

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princes that don't enforce these separations and divisions can be excommunicated.

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And then he goes on to talk about the Holy

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Land and the call for another liberation of the Holy

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Land from these pagans. If you don't if you do

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not fight, if you are committed to fighting, fighting the Muslims,

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not fighting, Arab peoples not fighting, or random peoples fighting

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the evil race and belief of the Saracens. The Saracens

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are just to stand in for the Muslims, and we're

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going to see that explicitly here in a moment the

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pagan demon worshipers. If you commit to the crusade and

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you backslide and don't commit to that, then you are

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excommunicated from Rome, right there? Do you see that? Keep

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in mind the attitude of faith in morals of the

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papacy is what's unchanging a little, But it's time and circumstance.

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And now I know time and circumstance. But in Catholic theology,

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morals based in natural law and faith based in supernatural

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revelation is supposedly not able to change. So the faith

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that the Catholic Church professes in the Middle Ages can

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in no way be equated to, or likened to, or

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shared with the other entity, these that are blasphemously worshiping

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demons and hating Christ in the Trinity and killing Christians

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in the Holy Land. Thus we must go to war

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with them. Imagine thinking that the people that you're going

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to war with are really just secretly worshiping the same

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God as you, and hey, bro, Why even go to war?

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Why even have martyrs? When we went to Italy, we

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went into the giant cathedral San Maria Maggioria, I think

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it is. And when you walk in there, it's a

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giant cathedral with giant chapels in the cathedral, and each

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chapel is giant, and each chapel is devoted I forget

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how many there were, play eight tens like that. Each

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chapel is devoted to a certain nation, a historic Catholic nation.

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giant paintings and murals all over the chapel wall inside

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the cathedral, all you see is crusaders fighting off Muslims.

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I'm going from a memory. Is it Jan Sebiski? I

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don't even remember who's in that? Isn't that the great Polish?

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Speaker 1: Lee Sobieski, even as she related to them, probably anyway,

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regardless of what Polish king it was, these dudes are

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all famous for fighting Muslims and they're honored in these

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giant murals. The victory of Heaven over the demonic infidel

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saracin Mohammedan's imagine betraying your ancestors and the people that

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you're so proud of in your Catholic heritage, who fought

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against these demons, and you betray them for these criminals

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in the Vatican, these scumbags and the scumbags on the

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Internet that follow them and acclects comebacks. Imagine betraying all

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of that and your heritage and your ancestors what they

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fought for, for your internet clout and for your papist nonsense.

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Isn't it ironic? Given how much Roman Catholics and Papists

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are committed to their heritage and their tradition that they

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supposedly love so much, And now they're defending the last

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seventy years of popes that want to pray with Muslims

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and mosque and say it's the same God. They they've

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built the Abu Dhabi Faith Center primised on this nonsense.

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Your hypocrites, you're lying to yourself. Fifth Crusa twelve seventeen.

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Pope Innocent the Third writes a bull called Quia Mayor,

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and in this bowl he says, Christian peoples in fact

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have held all saracens up to the time of Blessed Gregory.

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But then a son of tradition arose the false prophet

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Mohammed seduced many from the worldly elements and pleasures of

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the flesh. Although his treachery has prevailed up to this day,

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we nevertheless put our trust in the Lord who's already

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given us a sign to come, that the end of

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the beast is approaching, whose number in revelation is sixty

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sixty six. In addition the former great and great injuries

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which the treacherous sirations have inflicted on the Redeemer. And

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then he goes on to say basically that this is

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an Antichrist. So Mohammed is a great Antichrist, according to

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Pope Innocent the Third. And this bull which you can

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find online, is another call to crusade against the Islamic

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faith because it is anti Christ. Imagine saying that Antichrist

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has the same faith as Christ. Imagine saying that that

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is the sophistry and the nonsense and the smoke and

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mirrors of the philosophy that these guys threw up to

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try to cloak the obvious. Muslims and Christians do not

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worship the same God, because worship and adore is not

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the same thing as a mental conceptual abstraction of knowing about,

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just like Jake, the Muslim metaphysician knows a lot about.

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He probably knows more about Orthodox and Roman Catholic Trinitarian

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theology than most Roman Catholics and perhaps many Orthodox And

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he only say that because Jake spent many years getting

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dirt and information and reconnaissance in our discord, pretending that

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he was an actual inquirer and interested in Orthodoxy. I

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don't mean a literal inquirer, but like inquiring in a

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loose sense, like, oh, I'm interested, tell me about Orthodoxy.

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Oh yeah, sure, here's this. This is all he was

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doing was trying to get all of our arguments to

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understand our position, so Jake could could Let's say, Jake

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goes on to get multiple PhDs in medieval metaphysics, Byzantine theology,

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and Patristic studies, and Jake writes multiple PhD theses and

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texts that explicate the Orthodox doctrine of the Trinity perfectly.

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Does he in a sense know the Trinity, of course,

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but it's in the same sense as the demons know

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the One God. And that's precisely why I wanted to

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show Number one. The Vatican contradicts itself on how they

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understood the Mohammedans and their worship. And number two, you

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don't get anywhere with that, and it is part of

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the ecumenist movement and is it self an antichrist idea

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to equate abstract knowledge of the thing with love and adoration.

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And that's why when it got to the Thomashevsky clip,

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it specifically did get to the point of where he said,

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about Superman. And of course that analogy fails, as we'll

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see here in a moment, because cal El is actually

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deceiving people who is who Superman really is, and he's

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deceiving people through multiple identities. So that would actually work

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to prove our point that the Roman Catholic idea is

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in fact that God is actually present in all the religions.

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He's just behind the cloak of all the different religions,

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which is perennialism, which is exactly what we're arguing Aboutigan

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two is so fifteenth Documentical Council. This is thirteen eleven

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to thirteen twenty one. I meant that that should be

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twelve thirteen to twelve. This is Pope Clement the fifth.

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Now keep in mind if Vatican two the papacy goes

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in praise towards Mecca in the mosque afterwards, at least

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in the Blue Mosque. This is Uh Francis did it,

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Benedict did it. I'm not sure if Jump Paul the

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second did it. He might as well have done it

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because he did the Asssi gatherings, which is basically the

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same point here. The fifteen Ecamical Council under Pope Clement

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the Fifth states that the blasphemous public worship. Notice here

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this is the worship of the Muslims. No amount. How

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do you worship the same God as us? But the

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worship is blasphemy is all is Catholic worship, then blasphemy.

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If you can truly worship God while also blaspheming helped

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me to understand that Roman Catholics. That's why at one

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point early on they were arguing to some degree that

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Muslims worship demons, but it's also all at the same time. Okay,

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that's not accept like, that doesn't get you anywhere, That's

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not what is worth anyone's time. And if the whole

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point of this was to prove that there's a dead

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faith that demons and Muslims have. What does that get you?

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That doesn't explain the text of Vatican two saying that

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they worship and adore together with us Catholics, the One God.

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But that's what Vatican two says. That's why they didn't

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want to go to Vatican two because it's a problem text.

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had some sort of Tim Gordon style explanation of hermanutic

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of continuity, well, the actions of the popes are not

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at all a hermautic of continuity, because I'm showing you

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the actions of the popes for centuries from the year

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ten thousand or one thousand and nine here to thirteen eleven,

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thirteen twelve, where it's if you kill them, you'll have

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your sins remitted. Is the worship of Islam good, virtuous

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or is it blasphemous? Now, whether you think this is

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right or not, listen to the wording of Pope Clement

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the fifth here it is an insult to the name

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and disgrace to the Christian faith that in parts of

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the world under Christian princes where Saracens Muslims live sometimes

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apart and sometimes intermingled the saras in priests that are

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some commonly called the Zabazalah in their temples or mosques

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in which the Saracens meet to adore the infidel Muhammed.

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Muhammed is an infidel. That means not of the faith.

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the God of that faith. Keep in mind the faith,

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because I'm going to show you for Roman Catholic dogmatic

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statements what they said was necessary for a Mohammedan to

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have the faith. Did you know that the Holy Office

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was asked these questions back in the seventeen hundreds. Missionaries

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were going out they met Muslims that wanted to be baptized.

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they don't really understand us, can we just baptize them

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as Muslims? Guess what the Holy Office said? No, but

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wait a minute. If a Muslim worships the same God

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and adores the same God as us, the reference is

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the same. Why would we not baptize them if the

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faith is the same. The faith is not the same.

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And you'll see that in a moment. It's kind of

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absurd that we even have to demonstrate this like that.

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I even have to come on here and show you

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the slides in the medieval teaching, and you can go

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look all these up. By the way, they're all publicly

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sourced on the internet. I mean, who do people not

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know this? Do you not know about the Crusades and

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what the pope said? And like I be thought everybody did.

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I mean I went to college and had a class

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on the Crusades, right, and I had a liberal professor obviously,

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right shocker. And I mean despite being a liberal and

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apologist for Islam, like I still learned all this. And

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it would take you ten minutes tops to go through

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and check these decrees of these ecumenical councils. For the

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Roman Catholics, he goes on to say, they adore the infidel,

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the faithless Mohammed in their mosques. They loudly stole and

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invoke his name in the hearing of Christian and Saracens.

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They make declarations in his honor. There is a place

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moreover where there was once buried a Saracen whom other

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Saracens venerated as a saint. By the way, the Shiah

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do that so that's not made up. That seems very likely.

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A great number of Saracens flock there, quite often from

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far and near. This brings disrepute on our faith. Wait

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a minute, but it wouldn't it be the same. No,

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our faith is brought into disrepute by them honoring their

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so called martyrs. In Christian lands, this practice could not

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be tolerated without displeasing God. Muslim worship displeases God. It

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is not accepted. It is subject to divine judgment. He says.

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In the next section, All Christian princes must forbid Muslim worship.

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They are to remove the offense of Islam altogether from

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their territories because it is sacrilegious. The name of Mohammad

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must be expressly forbidden. Why doesn't Mohammad teach and lead

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us to the One God? According to Vatican two, just

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the wording of Attican two versus this is night and day?

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Can you not see that? How do you not see this?

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Like what goes on in the mind of the Roman

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Catholic when they read and see this to make this

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insanity work. I don't understand. I can't grasp it. And

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again this is partly why I left Rohi, because this

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stuff is just complete nonsense. Just be honest with yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I'll be inside of a concious tradcat.

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Good luck with that.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how that works out. Moving on Council of

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the End thirteen eleven of thirteen thirteen under Pope Clement

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the Fifth, Muslims are the faith less enemies of Christianity,

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anti Christ, worshipers of demons, faith less infidels. Their worship

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is blasphem us and not accepted by God. They blasphere Christ.

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They're unclean, but it's still the same God. They still

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love and adore the same God as us. Here's a challenge,

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where prior to Vatican two do we find any language

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like At two about Muslims. I'm aware of one statement

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that was a letter that the pope one pope in

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the Middle Ages, right around the thirteen hundred. Somewhere in

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there I forget exactly which pope it was. There is

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a letter that sometimes Romancallics will cite where a pope

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says something to the effect of, you also acknowledge one God.

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But how do we get from that? Even if I

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grant you that one? And who knows what these Romancalolics

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could be a forgery. Even if we grant that one,

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does that cancel out all of the other lists of

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vitriolic statements that we've had so far, faithless enemies, blasphemers,

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anti Christ, demon worshippers. And by the way, even if

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you could find the Vatican to statement in the Middle Ages,

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all that would show is that they're schizophrenic. They contradict

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themselves because they can't both be right. Pope Callixtus the

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Third fourteen fifty five, the sin of man has been

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taken and ruined. Wait, we need to reconquer Constantinople, which,

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in punishment for the sin of man, has been taken

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and ruined by Mohammed, the son of the Devil, the

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enemy of Christ. Mohammed, son of the Devil, enemy of Christ. Furthermore,

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Christians are languishing in slavery. Do you think the Muslims

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believe that it's the same God, Well, it doesn't matter,

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doesn't matter because it's the Catholic position bason natural theology,

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which is what matters. Yeah, but it's gonna matter in

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the world if the Muslims have the same faith as you.

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When the Muslims come into your church, and blow themselves

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up like they just did in Syria. Does that sound

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like the same faith as you, sons of the devils,

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the sons of the Devil and enemy of Christ. But

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they preach the same God as Christ. If you don't

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preach Christ, you don't preach the same God as Christ.

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And we're gonna see that from Christ himself. I vow

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to deliver the Christians and slavery, and I exalt the

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true faith. So Christianity is the true faith. Here Islam

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the false faith of Antichrist. And we will extirpate the

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diabolical sect of the reprobate faithless Moham, reprobate faithless Muhammad,

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demon worshiper, anti Christ. And these deceivers want you to

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believe it's the same God. And why is this such

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a big deal? Because if you follow the papacy and

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these people into this delusion, you will go down the

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route of spiritual death and blindness and worshiping like they do.

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You will unite yourself to the spirit of Francis and

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Leo and John Paul the Second. And that is a

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spirit that goes into these demonic abodes and worships that God.

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Their God is not our God. It is not the Triad.

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They have surrendered it by doing these actions. That's why

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it matters. That's why the people who argue against us

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act like because they're diluted. They cannot understand or see

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the truth, because they care more about the opinions of men,

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their paycheck, their Internet clout, milking the low IQ Roman

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Catholic audience out there, which is probably I'm guessing a

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lot more monetaryly, monetarily beneficial than the Orthodox world. I

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don't know. I've never been trying to make money as

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a Catholic creator, so I don't know, but I would

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imagine there's a lot more, you know, dupes and people

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to griff from. And if you want to be like

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scam shamouh, why not just invent Apostolic Christianity, which is

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all the groups and then you can milk them all. Now,

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let's look at all of what we saw in these

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These are just samples about that. You understand, there are

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many more that perhaps are not even translated into English

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or that we don't have direct access to. I'm talking

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about medieval from the year nine hundred to you know,

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fifteen hundred six, seven hundred years of papal statements about Crusades,

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the religion of Islam, Etceterat how bad it is, as

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well as Judaism too, by the way, that demonstrate this point. Now,

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let's look at the attitude of the infamous Vatican two documents.

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The Church regards with esteem the Muslims. This esteem. Are

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you serious that the people that you just call for

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the last several centuries faithless reprobate anti christ demons. So,

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in other words, the Roman Catholic Church esteems Antichrist. They

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adore the one God, don't There is no adoration of

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the one God. That isn't the Father, that isn't triad

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There isn't one. Whatever that's adoring is some idol or

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some fiction. And even Jake would tell you, I don't

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adore the trinitarian God or God the Father. So imagine,

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and I put the clip up of the guy, the

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crazy guy, when I said, do you think Jake adores

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the One True God, explicitly saying he rejects the Trinity

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in Christ? Yes, he does. In other words, Trent and

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Tamashevsky don't adore the One True God, even because they

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believe that their deity is this common generic deity, and

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he didn't even know that it's Jesus in the Old Testament.

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He thought Jesus of Nazareth a first century Palestine. What

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first century Palestine Jew isn't the Angel of the Lord

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Yeshua in the Old Testament. Good job being historian with

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your dual subject christology, you idiot. Nostra Atte goes on

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to say that the God of the Muslims is one,

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He lives and subsists in himself, is merciful, all powerful,

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and the creator of heaven and earth. Now right away,

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we can refute this because the one God of Christianity,

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that is our God, is the Father, that's the nice

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seene Creed, and the creator who will judge the world

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is Jesus. So that's also false. Muslims do not adore

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the judge and the creator of heaven and earth, because

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that is Christ countless times in the scriptures, So no,

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they do not. Islam is predicated on for its very

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existence opposition to the deed of Christ, the Trinity, God

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being a father. Allah is not a father. God is

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not spirit in Islam. Did you know that too? God

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is not a spirit and God has limited updated knowledge.

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He's not even omniscient in Islam. And by the way,

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when Islam says he's creator, they mean he literally actually

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creates evil, which has existence, So they're actually gnostic dualist

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Manicheans when they say creator. So you see how stupid

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this is to use the terminology as if it's synonymous

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amongst the world views in the systems. It's just as

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dumb as the Mormon thing, which we brought up a

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million time. And apparently according to the original stream a

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couple of nights ago, doctor Trent, I haven't listened to

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the whole stream, but many were saying, so I could

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be wrong about this if it's not true, but many

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were saying that he said, yeah, Mormons worship the same God.

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Apparently he doesn't know that Mormons believe that God is

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a man who became God, and God, the Father in Mormonism,

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still has his created body. He's a creature God who

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became God. So even if you go the tonistic natural

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theology route of supposedly core essential attributes that pick out

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the generic deity, right, and those would be things like

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he's one, he's absolutely simple, he's noncomposite, he's the first

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cause he's outside of time and space, he's omniscient. He's omnipotent, right,

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These are the things that the Tomas and the Roman

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how the natural theology guys will say, these are the

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things that we reason about this one first principle apart

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from revelation. This is natural theology. Those are the things

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we know apart from revelation through philosophy and metaphysics. Supposedly.

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Oh really, So when Swinburne, one of their great proponents,

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lists the eight or nine whatever it is core attributes

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that he doesn't even know that Islam rejects several of

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those supposed core attributes, this is how stupid this is.

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They don't even know what Islam teaches. Now, maybe that

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Doherty guy does, I don't know, because he claimed that

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he had mastered Islam studying under doctor Norman Geisler or something.

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I don't know, but he didn't provide any assistance or

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any backing up. When Tomashevsky made some super basic, stupid

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level mistakes when he thought that medieval popes were at

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the birth in the early phase of Renaissance, accuse me

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of Islam. So let's get back to the other statement,

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because you understand you have to read both statements Islam

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takes pain to submit to God's decrees, his inscrutable decrees,

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just like Abraham. The problem is that they do not

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do this like Abraham, because Abraham believed in Christ. Paul says,

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the engalationis for that the Gospel has preached beforehand to Abraham.

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And then he goes on here to say, as we

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pointed out, that the only seed that counts, that is

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Abraham's seed, are those in Christ. So there is no

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such thing as a Abrahamic faith. That doesn't exist, or

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if you want to use the term, the only Abrahmic

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faith is faith in Jesus. That's the whole point of Galatians.

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For ye are the children of God through faith in Christ.

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You're the seed. If you were baptized into Christ, you

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are one in Christ, and you are abraham Seed. You're

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the true Israel. Muslims and Jews are not. It's very simple.

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It's the algy you want to biblical, the alogie one

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on one. The promised Covenant blessing of Abraham comes to

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Gentiles through Jesus right there. So there is no other

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faith that matters or counts. That's an Abrahamic faith. It

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doesn't exist. It's a an invention of ecumenists and natural

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theologians over the centuries, This idea of a common faith

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of the monotheistic religions that doesn't even exist because I

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don't know what monotheism is without an arbitrary list of

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the supposed core attributes. And when Swinburne lists them, the

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first thing that the Garybe paper does is say, there's

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no reason why this should take me in the direction

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of Tomism and Catholicism. Why should I not conclude from

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this list of arbitrary eight attributes that the God is

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really the Perennialist God, the sophia Parenthist God. There's nothing

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that makes me say that that structure has to be

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within classical Roman Catholic theology. It could just simply be Perennialism.

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It could be renegan On, it could be frietof Shuon.

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And beyond that, there's Sikhism, there's versions of the Astrianism.

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There's theistic Satanism, arguably Marcianism, arguably Hinotheism. There's the Druze.

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There's the Shakti religion, which is a version of Hinduism

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that's monotheistic. There's the cow disect in Buddhism, there's the

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Bahai faith. So there's nine other monotheistic faiths.

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Speaker 3: Well, but those aren't the monotheistic faith that have a

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verge cause.

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Speaker 1: Oh what if they do have a first cause? What

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if I'm a theistic Satanist and Set is my first cause?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, but he's not obniscient.

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Speaker 1: Uh you mean like Allah who updates his knowledge? Uh

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oh uh oh. This is why Jake is actually pretty

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useful for us, because Jake follows Ibn Tamiya, and Jake

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knows that Ibn t Mea who is like the Pala

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Moss of Islam, believes that God has limited knowledge that

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he updates himself with because the Koran says that. So

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they don't even know that traditional soon he Islam doesn't

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believe God's omniscient. They don't. It's like the Vatican wrote

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this and didn't really know the nuances of Islam. It's

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kind of funny.

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Speaker 3: Actually, well, even to be is not real Islam.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now we get into this other stupid argument as

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to what's the real Islam or the real Judaism, And

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this actually works in our favor as well, because if

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you're gonna tell me what the core central tenets of

467
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,280
Judaism are wouldn't that be determined by the system of

468
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,519
Judaism and not what you, as a Roman Catholic natural theologian,

469
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,599
wants to pick out as a commonality. In other words,

470
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,920
to argue that there is a common core already assume

471
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,599
the thing that could easily be in question. How do

472
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we know that that's the common core? What if being

473
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,119
triad is essential to God? If being triad is essential

474
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:14,119
to God, I'm not saying triad is essence. I'm saying

475
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:18,280
that for God to be God, it is essential that

476
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,880
he is Father, son, and Spirit. And that is true obviously,

477
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,239
Then you can't make triad non essential to God. Is

478
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,719
so dumb. And I didn't even go into this in

479
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,440
that debate because it's so stupid even have to debate this.

480
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,039
Christ being divine is essential to who our God is

481
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,559
in the Nicene Creed, and if you remove one of

482
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:53,119
those things, it's no longer that God. I believe in

483
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:54,920
the Trinity, and I believe in all the things you

484
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,079
guys believe, but I don't believe God's omniscient. Guess what,

485
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,039
It's not the same God anymore. Now you have a

486
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,320
heterodox God that is like a creature in that he

487
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:19,920
has created attributes, so it's no longer the trinity, you idiot. One, two, three, four, five,

488
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:24,280
six seven. By the way, there's seven places in the

489
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,559
Qur'an that speaks of Allah's limited knowledge that has to

490
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,960
be updated. It's like it's like and I think I'm

491
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,880
going for memory, maybe Jake or one of these Solafi people,

492
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,320
like they described it like God gets like a daily

493
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,679
update as to the new facts. I'm not joking. Like

494
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:44,280
Islam is so stupid, by the way, why would you

495
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,239
want to say you worship the same God as when

496
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,239
Islam is literally like the dumbest cult on the planet. Man,

497
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:56,159
it is literally a cult for sub Iq. I mean

498
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,280
you have to be sub Iq to actually study and

499
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,599
look at this really is so stupid as in so

500
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,440
many ways and in so many aspects. And for the

501
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,400
Vatican to sit here and like say we have the

502
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,719
same God, it's like you're going to just make yourself

503
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,480
look even stupider by saying that. And by the way,

504
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,960
the same goes for the ecumenists in the Orthodox world.

505
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,480
I don't know why they think this is such a gotcha.

506
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,400
It's not. Of course, there's a humanist in the Orthodox world.

507
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,239
I've been calling them out for over ten years. I've

508
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,599
done countless podcasts against ecumenism and orthodoxy. You think I

509
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:36,559
don't know that MPs and patriarch its say heterodox things,

510
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,079
But how does that equate to the magisterium contradicting you goobers.

511
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,079
If we thought these patriarchs were inerrant, infallible and the

512
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,599
heads of the church, that might actually get you somewhere.

513
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,599
But it's just a two quoquay and it fails because

514
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:57,320
we don't have the same system as you. And congratulations

515
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,559
on showing that you don't understand basic orthodox Ecclesiallo. That's

516
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,079
all you demonstrate from that oustin five month? Member, what's up?

517
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:09,119
Can Sam Hid train you for Trent? I look, I

518
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,760
think at this point I will always be doing I

519
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,159
mean I always, but I'll keep doing the open calls.

520
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:16,920
I just don't know that there's any point in the

521
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,119
public Roman Catholic debates anymore. I don't even know if

522
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,760
I want to even debate Tim anymore. And it's not

523
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,679
because of any personal thing. It's just like I'm not

524
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,840
doing it on Cameron's thing. I'm done with Cameron. I'm

525
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,840
never interacting with that dude. Again, these people are just

526
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,639
such snakes man, and it's like it's funny because all

527
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,199
they do is winding, bitch. They're cry bullies about me,

528
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:42,000
and they're the most snaky, deceptive, lying people. I'm talking

529
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,960
about Cameron and all that crew. Okay, Tim's never lied.

530
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,039
I have another Catholic friend, Dave, that's been a friend

531
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:49,400
of mine for a long time. He's never lied, he's

532
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,440
always he's always been straight up. The rest of these people,

533
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,960
they can go suck an egg for all gear. I

534
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,840
don't want to interact with him. I'm done. I mean,

535
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,800
I like, I don't know what else there is? What like,

536
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,360
what else can we do and say? If you don't

537
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,119
understand at this point that papism is a giant criminal enterprise,

538
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:12,880
then I don't have anything else to talk to you about. Like,

539
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,679
I don't even want you around here. You can go elsewhere.

540
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,360
I don't need your friendship, I don't need your interactions.

541
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,679
I don't care about your channels. I don't care about

542
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,280
the clicks. Now I'm gonna have open forums, and there's

543
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,840
always the opportunity if Catholics want to call in, But

544
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,159
there are no more public Roman Catholics, even worth debating anymore.

545
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,719
If Tim finds a giant channel, I'll do it, because

546
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,320
I did already tell him I would do that debate.

547
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,239
I'm not gonna do it on Camera's channel. We all

548
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,199
will never talk to that dude again. I'm not ever

549
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,960
talking to Sam Shuman again. These people are insane. Papism

550
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,800
makes you go crazy. I mean, imagine defending this stuff.

551
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,360
I mean, this is the bullshit you'd have to defend.

552
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,639
No wonder you go crazy. And I would say when

553
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:11,920
I was trad Cat, I was probably going crazy. I

554
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,480
mean I drank a lot as a trade cat because

555
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:17,599
deep down this shit was insane. I don't know how

556
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:19,519
do I make this work? I might as well get drunk.

557
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,599
I don't know. So I don't know. Man, give me

558
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:28,239
a cold beer. And yeah, a lot of these people

559
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,199
are gay, so do get the f away, Like I

560
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,719
don't want nothing to do with leather Daddy, all break

561
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,960
or none of y'all. Man, y'all are weird gay creeps.

562
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,079
Go away from me, Go to your pride festivals or

563
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,519
whatever it is you do. Go away from me. Uh,

564
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,960
Steve mcleoven five dollars. Romancalvich's launched the fourth crusade, the

565
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:56,039
Muslims conquered Constantinople, Romancalvick's claim that they worship with the Muslims. Yeah,

566
00:41:56,159 --> 00:42:04,880
make it make sense. Make it make sense, roll six

567
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,360
five dollars. Their Superman Lois Lane argument was the best

568
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,599
that they had. Excuse me. That was the same argument

569
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:15,880
that Trent Horn had about water properties in H two.

570
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,039
Speaker 2: Oh.

571
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I don't even remember what

572
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:24,199
Trent Horn's argument was. That debate was so long ago.

573
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,760
But I mean, here's what I thought about the more

574
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920
I thought about the this morning when I woke up,

575
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:41,199
I was thinking about the the uh whatever, soy bullshit like.

576
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,360
But by the way, imagine not wanting to go to

577
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,760
the Bible, and when you sider making these dumb analogies

578
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,599
from freaking soup soy superman. Shit, man, these people are

579
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,679
just trash. These they're trash people. Man, They're trash people.

580
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,519
That's why I'm done with them, Like, I don't If

581
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:58,880
you're Ron mcaloln just don't even don't even bother. Just

582
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,199
move on now. If you're interested in open to Orthodoxy

583
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:08,960
or not being Roman Catholic, you're welcome other Roman Catholics.

584
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,320
Bae bah go suckond egg, it isn't Isn't it interesting that?

585
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:18,519
Now this isn't it? Here we go in the dominology

586
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:23,159
used Superman and Clark Kent are actually kal El tricking people.

587
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,000
So this would mean that the true God deceives people

588
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,679
by hiding in every religion. But that's exactly the perennialism

589
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,719
that you end up with in the Roman Gothic position

590
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:38,599
defending Vatican two. God becomes the greatest of deceivers, hiding

591
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,760
behind the cloak of the religions. Oh but wait a minute,

592
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:49,679
what is Allah in Islam the greatest of deceivers multiple

593
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,159
places in the Qur'an. Oh. Interesting, So a death cult

594
00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:01,760
whose god is limited in knowledge and is the best

595
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,880
of deceivers kind of sounds like the same guy that

596
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:09,239
Jesus said came to steal, kill, and destroy. So the

597
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,760
God of Islam matches up to Jesus a description of

598
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,480
the god little g who fell in the beginning, who

599
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:21,960
came to steal, killing, destroy, who Satan? Well, guess what

600
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,239
I actually agree with the papists. I agree with the popes.

601
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,119
What how about I agree with the popes of the

602
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,440
Middle Ages, the popes of the Middle Ages stated the

603
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:39,639
correct position. That's Antichrist, that's blasphemous, infidel demon worshiping. That's

604
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:53,760
the correct papal position, not this demonic bullshit. Finally, those

605
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,639
who have not yet received the Gospel are related to

606
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,679
the Gospel in various ways or ways to the people

607
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,320
of God. Excuse me. In the first place, we must

608
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,239
recall the people to whom the Testament and the promises

609
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,760
were given and for whom Christ was born. According to

610
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,079
the flesh Jews, on account of their fathers, they remain

611
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,440
dear to God. God does not repent of the guests

612
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,519
and the callings that he issues. But the plan of

613
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,800
salvation also includes those that acknowledge the creator. Well, wait

614
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,639
a minute, Jesus is the creator and Mohammad is excuse me,

615
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,920
Allah is the creator of evil. So if our God

616
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is not the creator of evil, then he's not the

617
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,199
creator of Islam. And if our God and creator is Jesus,

618
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:41,719
then it's also not the God and creator of Islam.

619
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And by the way, the phraseology, but I believe the

620
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,239
phraseology is actually intended to convey. Now it's ambiguous here,

621
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,199
but I think they actually are intending to convey that

622
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,239
you can be saved in Islam? Why do I think that?

623
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,159
First of all, why would you even you don't even

624
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,320
need to say the plan of salvation includes everyone? That's

625
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,400
who doesn't know that. Is there somebody doubting that the

626
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,760
plan of salvation means Arabs an Arab peoples, or Jews

627
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,440
or Muslims. I mean, that's retarded, okay, So why even

628
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:30,119
include the plan of salvation includes those who acknowledge the creator?

629
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:34,119
Unless you mean to say that you can be saved

630
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,480
if you know that there's a creator, like a Muslim.

631
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The first amongst these are the Muslims who, professing to

632
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,800
hold the faith of Abraham, along with us Catholics, adore

633
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:54,280
the One God, adoration, worship, and adore with us Catholics.

634
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,639
That's the problem. Passages this merciful God, who on the

635
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,800
last last day will judge mankind. Wait a minute, though,

636
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,000
for us Christians who judges mankind on the last day

637
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:16,079
Allah no Jesus, that's an explicit reference that it is

638
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:21,599
not our God. It is not the same judge, It

639
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:34,559
is not the same reference. And it is true that

640
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,360
in the sixteen passage Lemgentium sixteen it says professing to

641
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,119
hold the faith of Abraham. But if you look at

642
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:47,280
the Noser tadi Ire passage, it actually says just as Abraham.

643
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:55,800
So they are saying that it's the Abramic faith. Hence

644
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:06,440
why they created an the Brahmic Faith Center. And did

645
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:11,039
you notice in the debate that in the Roman Catholic mind,

646
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,280
what the popes do, their actions have nothing to do

647
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:19,000
with the doctrine of the theology. Really, are you sure

648
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:24,039
is that actually Catholic theology, that actions, whether pope or layman,

649
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:27,760
have nothing to do with the faith. Let's see what

650
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,000
Aquinas says about that. But first note at the bottom,

651
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:40,039
religions are bound up with the advanced cultures that have

652
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:45,320
struggled to answer questions. In Hinduism, men contemplate the divine

653
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,480
mystery and express it through inexhaustible abundance of myths and

654
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:54,440
through searching philosophical inquiry. Okay, that's all kind of generic

655
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:59,159
and bland, not necessarily problematic. Hindus seek freedom from the

656
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:06,159
anguish of a human condition through ascetical practices or profound meditation,

657
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:12,440
or a flight to capital g God with love and trust.

658
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:20,800
In other words, polytheistic Hindus now also adore and love

659
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:28,239
and have faith, trust, in the one God that Christians worship, No,

660
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:35,079
they don't. Is Hindu theology is even more removed than

661
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:40,320
the idiocy of Islam. And granted Islam is nonsense, but

662
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:45,480
Hindu is even further away, that's true. But to be

663
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,000
further away or closer to us is irrelevant when what's

664
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:55,760
necessary is the entirety, the whole system. Hence why again,

665
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,000
which I brought up in the debate, which they shouted over.

666
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,920
They didn't want to hear this part. When Saint Basil

667
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:07,400
writes against Eunomius, who is just another Unitarian, like Islam

668
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:11,400
and like the Jews and like the Samaritan woman, Basil says,

669
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:15,760
you've lost the faith, You've lost God. You do not

670
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,880
worship the God that we worship, who is trinity. Eunomia says,

671
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,920
I reject your trinity. Basil says, you no longer have God.

672
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,360
Saint John Christism Jews do not have God, they do

673
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,519
not have the Father, they do not have the worship

674
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:35,039
of God the Father. Exactly what Jesus says in John

675
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:45,159
five and John eight. What is the patristic terminology here? Oh,

676
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,880
it's exactly what we say, it'sn't it. Yeah? And I'm

677
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,559
going to talk about them still lying about Palomas because

678
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,480
they haven't read Palomas. They don't know that the entire

679
00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:00,440
first triad is against natural theology. And Palomas says, if

680
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:04,639
Plato got one conceptual idea about God right, it really

681
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,719
doesn't matter at all because it's all demonic and worthless.

682
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,679
The very point that we're trying to make getting one

683
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,760
thing or one attribute doesn't equate to worshiping and loving

684
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,679
the thing. All it equates to is getting one attribute right.

685
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,239
That's it, And we're gonna see what Jesus says about

686
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,800
getting one attribute or a handful of attributes right, It

687
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:37,039
doesn't get you anywhere. It's not salvific. Now, they said,

688
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:39,440
I don't have a problem saying it's not selvific. Oh, really,

689
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:41,559
you don't have a problem saying that it's Then why

690
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:47,320
does Vatican too use the terminology of salvific presence in Islam?

691
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,159
By admitting that, you're admitting that Vatican too is a

692
00:51:55,199 --> 00:52:03,320
surrendering of the position. Remember Tomashevsky's opening slides. He believes

693
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,400
that Islam is not self effict and it does not

694
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:13,239
get you to God, but that the reference is the same,

695
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,360
and the whole point of this debate, again, is that

696
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:23,679
Vatican Two's documents don't just say, Okay, Muslims have a

697
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,320
conception of God. They think they love God, they think

698
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,039
they worship God. It says together with US Catholics, they

699
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:42,360
do it, you liars, along with us. Muslims adore along

700
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,880
with US Catholics. Muslims adore the One God. Let's get

701
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,039
a little refresher. What did the medieval popes say they

702
00:52:52,199 --> 00:53:04,199
worship demons? These lunatics sat there saying that you can

703
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,960
worship a demon and still worship the One True God.

704
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:13,960
What I mean the selphistry of these like, that's what

705
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,760
this is amounting to. That's the level of sophistry of

706
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:26,880
these people. Now let's get to some of the biblical refutations,

707
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,000
because this is where this really falls apart. Now, remember,

708
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:35,280
according to them, you could worship a demon and if

709
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,679
you think it's the One True God, it's the same reference.

710
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:43,239
But you're still you're loving and adoring the One True

711
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,440
God even though you're loving and adoring an actual fact

712
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,719
a demon. This is how silly this is. How does

713
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,639
the Bible conceive of this? Does it conceive of it

714
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,880
in this bizarre way, or does it just flat out say,

715
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:01,159
all the gods of the nations are demons. But God Yahweh,

716
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,599
who is Jesus, is the creator the things that he

717
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:13,119
even he then sacrifice. They sacrifice to demons. What a

718
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:17,360
Vatican two say about Hinduism, They also love and adore

719
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:22,760
through their practices in faith and trust the One God Hindus.

720
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:30,480
What does Paul sound like he thinks that human? I mean,

721
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,880
is there a sect of Hindus that do well? I mean,

722
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,480
there's a Thuggies, but there's there some ancient practice of

723
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:38,000
like burning a woman on an altar? Is that an

724
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,960
ancient Hindu practice? Oh? Is that am I worshiping? Am

725
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,760
I human sacrificing my unfaithful wife on the altar? Well,

726
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,800
it's too, the One True God. Even though I'm human sacrificing,

727
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,000
even though it's doing I'm doing it to a demon,

728
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,519
I still love a door the One True God. I mean,

729
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:00,119
this is just insanity. It's just changing the meanings of

730
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:02,519
the words adore and worship.

731
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:05,119
Speaker 2: No.

732
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: Idolatry is not identical to worshiping the One True God.

733
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,599
And the false conceptions of God, whether in heresy or

734
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:19,679
whether in apostasy, are idols. It's idolatry. So these people

735
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,119
are equate idolatry with the worship of the True God.

736
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,719
And this is exactly what the Vatican does. And this

737
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,960
is the spiritual sin and the delusion that they're in.

738
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:36,159
They are idolators. They worship and serve creatures in the

739
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,880
place of the One True God. And Romans one is

740
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,719
not their dumb natural theology. Romans one is making the

741
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:49,000
point that I just said, the Heathens got rid of

742
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,320
the worship of the One True God to worship and

743
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:59,880
serve creatures, Paul says, and their hearts, their hearts were darkened.

744
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,320
It doesn't say they failed to reason properly. It says

745
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,920
their hearts were darkened and they lost the worship and

746
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:12,719
love of the One True God because they worship and

747
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:18,239
serve creatures, which is idolatry. Universal idolatry is not equivalent

748
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:20,639
to worshiping and loving the One True God. But keep

749
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:25,639
this in mind. According to these goofballs, basically everything would

750
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,119
still get you to loving and adoring the One True God.

751
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,440
There's nothing that would disqualify you. Even explicitly rejecting the

752
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,639
Trinity incarnation, according to these idiots, still doesn't disqualify you.

753
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,239
From worshiping adoring the One True God. That's the idiocy

754
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:52,599
of this position at the highest level. And I had

755
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:58,800
my friend a third eye Noose made a comment on this.

756
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,679
I wanted to read because I thought his comment was

757
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,719
pretty perceptive as to where this actually leads if you

758
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,360
think about it, I mean, on their grounds, essentially, nothing

759
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:24,320
is a disqualifier. Let me find that quote here.

760
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:24,599
Speaker 2: It is.

761
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: Their position negates the reality of Psalm ninety five, that

762
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,599
that the gods of the nations are demons in their paradigm.

763
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,679
When taken to its logical extension through the Vatican two documents,

764
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:42,360
nobody actually worships demons. They have all just a limited

765
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,519
grasp of the same reference of the One True God,

766
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:50,320
even in all their demonic polytheism. Exactly, this is exactly

767
00:57:50,400 --> 00:58:00,800
what Vatican two says. Even in Hinduism, men seek enlightenment

768
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:09,360
or how does it freedom through meditation or flight to

769
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:13,440
God in love and trust faith? The hind do faith

770
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,760
capital g God, Let me move me so you can

771
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:31,519
see it all right? There, you see it, See that

772
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:42,119
this is my friend's point in reality in the system,

773
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,599
nobody actually worships demons. All they have is a limited

774
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:51,599
grasp of some same reference even in polytheism. Their position

775
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,679
would really just argue that these people have an uh

776
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,199
impoverished view of the same reference. Yeah, that's the whole

777
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:02,559
point of perennialism in natural theology. Ultimately, that's where you

778
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:07,440
get that's what this gets you to. Then we were

779
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,840
at full blown perennialism and the one role religion of Antichrist.

780
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:22,800
Absolutely so, all the smoke and mirrors is literally just

781
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:29,360
spiritual rot and poison from a bunch of skittles Roman Catholics.

782
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,760
I mean, dude, screw these butt buddies. Man, they're a

783
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,119
bunch of butt buddies. Why are you getting your theology

784
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,440
from all these butt buddies. You shouldn't have a butt buddy.

785
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:51,760
Stop being a sowy man. Deuteromi thirty one. They offered

786
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:57,320
sacrifices to demons, which are not God. In other words,

787
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,880
Moses says, their sacrifices aren't to God, their worship isn't

788
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,280
to God, to gods they had not known, to new gods.

789
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,119
A new God is a different God. If you read

790
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:13,000
Dideromi thirteen. In Deuteroni eighteen, when God warns the Israelites

791
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,280
about being seduced away to another god. Does he say

792
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,079
it's me still, but it's another god, that a cloak

793
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,519
that I wear. No, he says, other gods don't be

794
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:28,840
seduced by other gods. Other gods. Allah is another god,

795
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:34,840
you idiots, When Saint only a Ramacau that could take

796
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,119
the passage with Saint Fotini the woman at the well

797
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,280
and turn it into the opposite of what it says.

798
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,440
She's the archetypal schismatic. Now, remember schismatics are great for

799
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:50,920
this point, because a schismatic has the same theology generally speaking,

800
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:57,199
but they've severed themselves through severance of love, so they've

801
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,960
abandoned brotherly love. They've broken fellowship, even if they have

802
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:04,000
the same theology. But I don't even know if I

803
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,880
would say that she's actually the same theology. She thinks

804
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,920
she has the same theology because she says, we worship

805
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,519
the one God at the you know, the where where

806
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:18,239
our father Jacob told us to worship. That's where Samaritanism

807
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,280
comes from. But it's actually, uh, it's a schism that

808
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,639
comes about in terms of worship during the time of

809
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:28,559
the kings, right with the sons like Nadab and a

810
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:38,360
excum Bemelec. And and like this the sons. When Solomon

811
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:45,800
dies and then the kingdom splits, you have one of

812
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,480
the evil sons decides that he will set up a

813
01:01:50,679 --> 01:02:01,559
rival place to worship. And that ties into Samaritanism. And

814
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:03,039
the reason he was doing that, by the way, which

815
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:06,239
is funny, it's a statist move. He wanted to control

816
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,440
the cultists. And if his rival brother had controlled Jerusalem

817
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:16,880
and the Temple, why not create an alternate altar for

818
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,280
the Israelites to worship Bat that he had control over.

819
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,840
So that was the geopolitical motivation for doing that. I

820
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,920
wrote an article on that, maybe ten years ago. But

821
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:32,880
point band is that she says we worship God truly

822
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:39,039
according to the teaching of our father Jacob. And yes,

823
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,559
Jesus uses the word worship here, but he says you worship,

824
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:47,119
but you don't know him. And so that'd be like

825
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,880
imagine switching out the previous references to offering the Heathen sacrifice.

826
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,599
It'd be like imagine a Paul said, the Heathens worship

827
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:07,119
through their sacrifices. Oh, so they do worship. Did you

828
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:14,480
read the passage? You worship what you don't know? We

829
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:20,199
Jews worship what we do know for salvation is of

830
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,559
the Jews, the true salviafic worship, which is the whole

831
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,239
point of this. This is the whole critique of Vatican two.

832
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:33,440
Vatican two is compromising and surrendering the salviafic worship by

833
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:40,239
granting that that worship exists amongst Hindus and Muslims and Jews.

834
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:49,599
But Jesus says, you worship an idol. That's what he's saying.

835
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,440
Jesus statement in John four twenty two is no different

836
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,760
than Paul's statement in one Corinthians ten twenty. Now, the

837
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,159
woman at the well is not worshiping the same thing

838
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,679
as whatever the Heathens are sacrificing to. Right, maybe the

839
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:07,039
heathen is sacrificing to Apollo. I evoke Apolo, and here

840
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,119
is this goat and the woman at the well well, haha,

841
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,519
I worship the God of Jacob. Now this further refutes

842
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,840
Trent because Trent argued that because Muhammad is picking up

843
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,800
the same word God as a reference from the Old

844
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:28,719
Testament texts, the argument would be identical to the woman

845
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:32,199
at the well is Saint Fotini. Because the Samaritans believe

846
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,840
that they're worshiping the God of Jacob. The Samaritan tradition

847
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,880
comes from Jacob. Their schismatics. They think, I worship the

848
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,639
God of Jacob, and Jesus says, well, you do, and

849
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,559
you know him and you love him and adore him.

850
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,800
But it's just partial because we all worship the same God. No,

851
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,880
Jesus flat out says, you don't know God. You don't

852
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,360
have salvation, and you don't know God. Therefore, muslim don't

853
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,599
know God, they don't have salvation, they do not worship

854
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:07,199
and adore God because to worship and a door in

855
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,360
the true sense, means a real connection, to have that

856
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:19,360
love connection, the love, the love connection. Now, what about

857
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,239
the Pharisees. They also turn out to be a great

858
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,559
example of this. I know you, you do not have

859
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,960
the love of God in you. Wait a minute, remember

860
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,840
when Talmashevsky said loving and adoring is pretty much the

861
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:36,519
same thing. Lois Lane loves an ADOR's Clark Kent. Muslims

862
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:43,920
love and adore the One True God. Unitarian Pharisees, basically,

863
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,079
we could say they have the same position as the Muslims.

864
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:52,920
It's a Unitarian position fundamentally. Essentially. Oh, let's see, remember

865
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,119
when he said that they can love God, they adore him.

866
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:57,920
You do not have the love of God in you.

867
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,719
And he tried to say, well, they don't have the

868
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,760
love of God in them, but they love God. The

869
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,599
passage means you don't actually love God. This is so stupid.

870
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:09,760
We have to get into this like sophistry with these people.

871
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,760
This is I mean, Tomaism is a religion of sophistry.

872
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:13,119
Speaker 4: The whole.

873
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: This is a giant construct of made up sophistry. Every

874
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:24,159
angle of it is another level of it. And again

875
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:26,960
I put this in here because most of the time,

876
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:29,599
at least in the case of Trent, I don't know

877
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:35,159
about Tomashevsky, but remember Trent Horn. These these people, these

878
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,480
biblically ignorant people, don't even know that Jesus is the

879
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:40,559
God of the Old Testament, that he's the Angel of

880
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:46,960
the Lord who made himself known to Abraham as Yeshua

881
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:53,199
in Zechariah three. It's Yeshuah who's present, the Angel of

882
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:57,920
the Lord, the high Priest, Yeshuwah that's telling you who

883
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:05,639
this is. So let's hammer this home with the Unitarian

884
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:10,079
Pharisaic Judaism position, which is basically the same Unitarian position

885
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,519
we'll say of Islam. Was that good enough to attain

886
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:18,000
to God the Father to get you to worshiping a door?

887
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:25,079
That God the Father. The pharisee said, we aren't illegitimate children.

888
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,760
We have one God, the Father. Now remember this is

889
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:36,079
closer on the spectrum than Muslims. Muslims do not believe

890
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:39,519
the one God is the Father. Jews believe the one

891
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:42,239
God is the Father. But it's not good enough. Even

892
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:48,159
believing closer to our position than the Muslims who reject

893
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:51,920
that God is Allah his Father, does it get you anywhere.

894
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,599
It's not good enough. We are not illegitimate children. We

895
01:07:56,719 --> 01:08:02,159
have one God, the Father. Jesus says, if he were,

896
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,599
you would love me because I came from him. I

897
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:09,199
do not come on my own. He sent me. Why

898
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:11,559
can't you understand what I'm saying. It's because you can't

899
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:15,480
accept my words. You are from your father, the devil.

900
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,159
You chose to do his desires. He was a murderer

901
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:25,000
from the beginning. Jesus said, if I glorify myself, then

902
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:28,279
my glory is nothing. Is my father, who glorifies me.

903
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:34,680
Of whom you say, you say he's your God, though

904
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:40,600
you don't know him. And he's not your God. Muslims

905
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,560
don't know him. He's not your God. The Muslim position

906
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:51,840
is even further away by rejecting Father. Do you idiots

907
01:08:51,920 --> 01:09:03,119
not see this? And then he says, I am Jesus

908
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:06,560
in his pastage, says, the one that you think you're

909
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:13,239
worshiping in the Old Testament is me. Before Abraham was

910
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,720
I am. In other words, I am in the bush.

911
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,960
I'm the one talking out of the bush me. Then

912
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:24,479
they wanted to stone him because they understood what he meant.

913
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:32,199
They understood he's saying. The reference is him, not a

914
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:38,680
generic unity, not a generic father, not a generic nonfather

915
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:50,039
of Islam. Islam is a religion premised on Nestorian and

916
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:55,279
Aryan heresies, and that is confirmed in the Oxford Handbook

917
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:59,479
to Islam. This was contested for many years. John Damascus

918
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,239
made this up when he said that Arian and Historian

919
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:06,960
monks are the source of Mohammed's theology. Oh well, it

920
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:14,319
turns out we have the Islamic Theology Handbook of Oxford,

921
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:19,720
and on page seventy six and seventy seven, the scholarship says, no,

922
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:25,039
actually it is from Arianism. Actually, John Damascus has vindicated

923
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:32,199
that's exactly where it's from. So what that means is

924
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,880
the Roman Catholics are gonna have to say that Arians

925
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:41,920
and Catholics also worship the same God. Job's witnesses now

926
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worship the same God. This is how stupid this is.

927
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But when Basil writes to against the Eunomians, anybody who's

928
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:54,319
read that would know Basil says, you don't get jack shit, dude,

929
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you're out. This is not even equivalent to the pagan

930
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guy reasoning on an island about some first cause in

931
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Romans won in Acts seventeen, which they all misinterpret. By

932
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:14,439
the way, this is religion's post Christianity, that no Christianity

933
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that come out of the ethos of Christianity and Arianism

934
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:24,600
rejecting Christ and Trinity. So that even further shows their

935
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arguments fail because if their argument was just, well, what

936
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about the pagan guy on the island and he reasons

937
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:33,800
and which I wouldn't even grant that. But even if

938
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I did grant that, that wouldn't apply to Muslims, and

939
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it would still prove that the Vatican Tuo documents are false.

940
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Islam is premised on rejecting, first of all, the deedy

941
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of Christ, that Christ is God and that he is

942
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,439
the second person of Trinity. It is premised on rejecting

943
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the triad. It is primised on rejecting the Sun as

944
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,479
the creator, which John won that he was one say,

945
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so they do not, in fact, worship and serve the Creator.

946
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Remember Romans one was supposed to be their natural theology.

947
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Passage Paul says that the Pagans were supposed to worship

948
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and serve the creator Romans one acts seventeen. Oh but

949
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:18,079
wait a minute, Jesus is the creator, and they don't

950
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worship Jesus. So they don't worship and serve the Creator.

951
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,079
They serve the creature. And again, Allah is the creator

952
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,359
in Islam. That means a different thing, you idiots. Just

953
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,439
because it's the same word word concept fallacy doesn't mean

954
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,720
the same thing in two different systems. Allah in Islam

955
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:47,039
traditional Sunni Islam as creator is directly creating and destroying

956
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:51,800
all things every millisecond. Did you know that that's occasionalism.

957
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:58,640
That's what they mean by creator, you idiots. By creator,

958
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:04,039
they mean he's causing directly all evil events and evil actions,

959
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:06,199
and evil actually has existence in the Kuran. Did you

960
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:11,600
know that this is who you think is the equivalent

961
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:20,279
to creator in Christianity, You idiots. Allah the creator of

962
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,359
evil and the occasionalist, destroyer and creator of everything at

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01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:26,680
every second. If you don't know what occasionalism is, go

964
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,039
look it up. Allah has limited knowledge in seven places

965
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:35,279
in the Qur'an. Hence, even to me, his whole argument,

966
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Allah's got to get them daily downloads of the New

967
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Info because he's not actually omniscient. Islam as premised on

968
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rejecting that Allah is the father. Allah is not father,

969
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has no son, and the chron explicitly says in see

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01:13:53,279 --> 01:14:10,680
what section it is on Nissa. People of the book

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do not say anything about Allah except truth. The Messiah

972
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:22,039
is a messenger. He is a spirit created by command

973
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:29,159
from Allah. Do not say trinity. Allah is not Trinity.

974
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,520
I'm reading the Qur'an, you idiots. These people are actually

975
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,239
arguing that. I mean, it's it's baffling that we have

976
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:40,359
to argue this. I don't even understand why we have

977
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:44,760
to argue this. This just blows me away. They still

978
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,520
worship the One True God. It's still the Trinity, even

979
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,279
though they reject the Trinity. Do you remember me, I

980
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,840
asked in the debate. I said, so Jake rejects the Trinity,

981
01:14:56,119 --> 01:15:01,600
but he still worships Attorney. Yes, I mean these people

982
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,479
are insane, man. This is the darkness and the delusion

983
01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:10,039
that this gay cult of Rome gets you. And I

984
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:11,720
don't even know. I mean, the only way to be

985
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,800
this insane is to have your mind darkened by being

986
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,319
some kind of gay dude. I don't understand. Why else

987
01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:20,600
would you want to be in this dumb cult with

988
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:28,640
this stuff unless you're yourself some kind of sicko. So

989
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,600
Islam is apostasy from Christ according to the medieval popes.

990
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It is anti Christ, it is demon worship. It is

991
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:44,560
an infidel, reprobate faith. It is faith less, and so

992
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,399
it fails to attain to the true worship and adoration

993
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,720
of the One God by rejecting the Sun. And of

994
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,960
course one John two twenty three, two twenty two to

995
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twenty three, which is the passage that they would not

996
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,960
even look at. Did you notice they looked away from

997
01:15:58,039 --> 01:16:00,800
the screen when I brought this up. These people hate

998
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divine revelation and what's true. They literally looked away when

999
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,319
I brought this up and I asked them to read

1000
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it and exposit the passage for me, and they wouldn't

1001
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:18,279
do it because they hate it, because this refutes them.

1002
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:26,199
They are Antichrist. This is antichrist. One who denies father

1003
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and son. No one who denies son has father. Everyone

1004
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:41,159
who confesses the son has the father. Did you notice

1005
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,560
they refused to talk about divine revelation because they hate it.

1006
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,760
They worship their idle systems of the pope and their

1007
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,039
fat dumbas Thomas Aquinas. That's their religion, that's their God,

1008
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,680
their mental conceptual schemes that they worship. They're so they're

1009
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:10,800
Sma theologica, that's their deity. They are idolators. That's why

1010
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,680
they push idolatry to be equivalent to the worship of

1011
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:22,600
the One True God. Thus they lose their mind when

1012
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,399
I bring this up, because this truth destroys their nonsense.

1013
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,199
It cuts right through all their bullshit. Remember what we

1014
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:37,760
just saw about the papacy in the Middle Ages calling

1015
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:45,119
for crusades. If you don't exterminate, you won't have your

1016
01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:47,439
sins forgiven. Do you have you forgotten this already? It

1017
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:55,880
was not even that long ago. Guys, Pop Bourban, the

1018
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,520
Second Council of Claremont. If you die, fight fighting the

1019
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:05,560
Muslim Your sins are forgiven now because of the documents

1020
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,680
Attican two, which are magisterial, we can go pray in

1021
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,479
the mosques towards Mecca. We can pray in the synagogues now.

1022
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The ancient canons of the Church Alphostolic Canon sixty four

1023
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,159
and the Canons of Trollo in the first millennium of

1024
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Christianity ex communicate any clerics praying and attending synagogues and mosques.

1025
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This is because, as Aquinas correctly says in Summa Theologica

1026
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two two twelve, to pray at Muslim sites or to

1027
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,920
particular rights of other religions demonstrates the inner disposition of apostasy.

1028
01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:50,359
I could think of no greater example other than perhaps

1029
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:59,720
the papacy making temporal supremacy necessary for salvation, and then

1030
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:04,319
that being discarded at Vatican two. Through all the religious

1031
01:19:04,359 --> 01:19:08,760
liberty stuff, this is probably the next biggest contradiction. If

1032
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,600
I was to pick out two big ones, this is

1033
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:16,399
it now? What is the papacy even recently said, even

1034
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:24,479
within a few decades prior to Vatican Two. John Paul

1035
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:32,439
the Second says in his Homily to Jordan Jordanians, God

1036
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:38,279
bless you all Jordan made Saint John the Baptist protect

1037
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:43,680
Islam and the people of Jordan. Now, lying Roman Catholics

1038
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,760
read this and said, oh, you don't want to pray

1039
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,119
for the people of Jordan. How dare you? You liars?

1040
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:53,399
Why are you people so dishonest? You know that the

1041
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,880
problem passage is not praying for the people of Jordan,

1042
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:02,840
you liars. The problem passage is Saint John the Baptist.

1043
01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:09,560
Please protect anti christ religion, please protect demonic Muhammad. That's

1044
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:15,119
the problem, you liars. You all lie, your scumbags, and

1045
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:18,840
you know it, and that's why many of your skittles.

1046
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:26,399
You're immoral, you're blinded to deceiving liars because I show

1047
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,119
you the passage and you immediately lie, because you do

1048
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,159
what your father does. You do the very things that

1049
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:40,319
the Pharisees in John eight do, showing who you actually worship,

1050
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:45,319
showing who the papacy actually worships. When the papacy turns

1051
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:50,680
towards Mecca, Thomas Aquinas is right that their apostates and

1052
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,840
they worship Satan, and let's turn their dumbass argument around

1053
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,680
on them. Even though the reference is quote Jesus, they're

1054
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:03,840
actually attaining to the worship of Satan, because they've joined

1055
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,760
themselves with the spirit of Antichrist, which the medieval popes

1056
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,119
correctly said. Mohammad is spirit of Antichrist. He is an Antichrist,

1057
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:17,680
and so you worship together with Antichrist. Congratulations. And that's

1058
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,359
why you actle liket scumbacks, because you are inner scumbacks.

1059
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:25,239
You're evil, your evil idolators joined with Antichrist. And you

1060
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:33,000
literally sit here defending this insanity again, John Paul the

1061
01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:38,560
Second may John the Baptists protect Islam. This should be

1062
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:44,600
all you need if you were honest with yourself. Let's

1063
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,359
compare this to only a couple decades later, an entire

1064
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:54,840
encyclical written against this nonsense from Pious the eleventh. Thus

1065
01:21:55,319 --> 01:21:58,800
this being so, it is clear the Apostolic Sea cannot

1066
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,439
on any turn take part in the assemblies of non Catholics.

1067
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,920
This is what he's talking about. It would be iniquitous,

1068
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:10,239
It would be a surrendering and a compromising of the

1069
01:22:10,279 --> 01:22:14,479
truth to partake in the religious rights and assemblies of

1070
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:18,640
non Christian sex and religions and non Catholic sex and religions.

1071
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,079
You understand that when he wrote this, he was only

1072
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:30,000
talking about Protestant Acumenism. He wasn't even thinking of praying

1073
01:22:30,039 --> 01:22:33,800
in the mosque towards Mecca, you idiots. That's light years

1074
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,720
beyond what Pious the Eleventh even had in his mind.

1075
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:39,600
He's saying, we can't go pray with Baptists and Anglicans.

1076
01:22:40,079 --> 01:22:45,520
We can't go in their services. Point paragraph ten. It

1077
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,840
is clear why the Apostolic See never allows its subjects

1078
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,479
to take part in the assemblies of non Catholics. Look

1079
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,199
at that, you lying, deceiving Catholics.

1080
01:22:56,279 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 3: Look at that.

1081
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: Pious the Eleventh is not an outstanding example some loan nut.

1082
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:12,920
He's reflecting the same post Tridentine, pre Vatican too teaching

1083
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:16,640
of all of these popes. It's the same stuff reflected

1084
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:31,239
in all of this. Note also that no, I don't care,

1085
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:32,520
nobody cares.

1086
01:23:32,279 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 3: What LA's not an infallible document.

1087
01:23:35,239 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: Guess what if he says, the Holy See always forbade

1088
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,880
this practice, and it's on faith in morals, that's universal

1089
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:48,800
ordinary magisterian, you idiots, According to your system, the God

1090
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,920
of the Old Testament, as our great theologian, Saint Maximus

1091
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:58,760
the Confessor said, very clearly, is the Trinity. Abraham was

1092
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:05,840
taught the tity. This means that Trent Horn and Trent

1093
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:09,039
Doe Boy or whatever his name was, and all these

1094
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:14,439
other idiots are automatically canceled. They're automatically done the natural theology.

1095
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,000
It's out because natural theology is premise of the idea

1096
01:24:18,039 --> 01:24:21,640
that the Old Testament is revealing a Unitarian God. Remember Trent,

1097
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,560
this was all Horne's argument. This is the main reason

1098
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,840
why everyone thought he lost the debate. One of the

1099
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:33,880
main reasons with me. Guess what Vatican two is the

1100
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,840
same natural trench just being faithful to his Vatican two documents.

1101
01:24:41,159 --> 01:24:44,199
God appeared to Abraham, who was perfect in knowledge and

1102
01:24:44,199 --> 01:24:47,960
already possessed an intellect completely beyond matter and figurations. God

1103
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:52,399
taught him that the immaterial principle of the trinity inhears

1104
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,479
in the principle of unity. And for this reason, God

1105
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:59,079
appeared to him as three and spoke as one. That's

1106
01:24:59,159 --> 01:25:03,960
talking about God having the meal what God Jesus eating

1107
01:25:04,079 --> 01:25:09,439
with Abraham. The Roman calviolcs don't even know these basics.

1108
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,880
I brought up biblical basis basics to this guy, and

1109
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:20,560
he laughs and screams and wants to fight when his

1110
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,880
own saints his This is a doctor in their own

1111
01:25:24,039 --> 01:25:44,600
church teaches what I'm saying for those of you that

1112
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,840
are worried. The new computer arrives in a few days,

1113
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:55,399
so all of these latency problems hopefully will vanish soon.

1114
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,279
Is Jdi a roma calvic? You must be joking? Are

1115
01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:05,119
you serious? What have we been talking about for two hours?

1116
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,760
Steve mccleven two dollars. Reconquista was for nothing according to

1117
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:19,560
Batican two. Yeah, why why have martyrs of for all worksmen?

1118
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,760
The same guy? Ah Brosey fat. Somebody's the chat said,

1119
01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:27,039
how do you get challenged to fight so often? It's hilarious,

1120
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:31,159
not arguments. They just want celebrity boxing matches. Yeah, well,

1121
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:33,880
I mean there's obvious meltdown. He didn't have anything else.

1122
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:37,199
G twenty sixty dollars, Jay, you cooked? Clark Trent the

1123
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:44,239
Superman's scholar Nick RB ten dollars. The Superman analogy echoed

1124
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,720
Rome syncretism, where Zeus was Jupiter by another name. Catholics

1125
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,319
end up arguing on ancient Pagans when they missed the

1126
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:56,720
reverence relevance of Christ divinity exactly. Faith comes by hearing,

1127
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,439
hearing by the word of God. So that's where we

1128
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,119
learn that oh, God is actually Jesus. It's not a

1129
01:27:03,279 --> 01:27:07,800
Unitarian generic deity. And Abraham didn't worship a unitary engineering duty.

1130
01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:09,720
I caught him at five dollars, Trent. It seems like

1131
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,520
Brandon Robertson's syop into Rome. I don't know who Brandon Robertson.

1132
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,920
It's Joe Swarez fi dollars. I've seen Pastor Vlad Savchuk

1133
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,319
say God's coming with Abraham still covers Israel today. Is

1134
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:26,079
this true? Not the modern state of Israel? I mean,

1135
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:29,520
Jews will eventually convert according to most of the Church

1136
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,640
fathers in Romans eleven, but that's not the same as

1137
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,920
the modern nation state of Israel. H Brosei, I'm patting

1138
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,600
myself and anybody in the Chat for calling Cameron out

1139
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,640
as a snake. For years, I've never trusted Cameron. I

1140
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,439
haven't either, but I did want to do the debate,

1141
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,680
H Brozee five dollars. The Direct Council advies you to

1142
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,960
follow through with the Tim Gordon debate. He was always

1143
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:55,159
an honest guy. He must be converted. I'm only going

1144
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,560
to do it if it's on a big, big channel. Well,

1145
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:02,720
I mean Tim wants that too, so John Kell twenty dollars.

1146
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,319
The problem for the Roman Catholics is spiritual, Jay, exactly

1147
01:28:06,399 --> 01:28:08,079
what I said in the debate. They scoffed at it

1148
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,319
because they're too academic and intellectual to hear that the

1149
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,159
real problem is actually spiritual. But that's the point of

1150
01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:19,439
today's discussion. Top Jack Abtic ten dollars. It's unfortunate that

1151
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,039
Cameron didn't back you up given the DMS. Well, I

1152
01:28:23,079 --> 01:28:24,920
don't think Cameron is an honest, but I think he's

1153
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,399
a slam ball. Jordan Lovgrin five dollars. Notice how they

1154
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always frame it like Muslim's worship the Christian God, not

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01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:32,880
that Christian's worst of the Muslim God. They don't even

1156
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:39,239
buy into it themselves. Fair question, Doctor Alex Stabrion Stabrion

1157
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Nu Daktas twenty dollars. This is awesome, Jay, Thank you, Alex,

1158
01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:47,479
Thank you so much. Dog Cody are twenty dollars. They

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01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,039
tried to say that Muslims worship other entities early on

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in its development. That would actually cancel out his argument

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01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,199
that Mohammad got God as a referent from the Old

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Testament revelation. Remember when he argued that that's in the clip.

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The clip that I put up. So if that's the case,

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01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:08,760
then that cancels out when he tries to argue that

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early Muslims worshiped demons. Later Muslims worship a lot, which

1166
01:29:16,279 --> 01:29:21,359
is so stupid. The pope in the Middle Ages refers

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to them worshiping demons. He's talking about a lot exactly.

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That's why it was such a massive fumble. When Tomashevsky

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01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,760
thought that medieval popes were the early phase of Islam,

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01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,840
the debate was already. That was the beginning of the

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01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,560
collapse right there. Twenty dollars ck. I was surprised ron

1172
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,439
mcalach Son wanted to defend the magisterium. Why would they

1173
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,960
this is one of the best arguments. Of course, they

1174
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:49,039
want to go into linguistic reference and semantic theories, anything

1175
01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:52,359
to get away from magisterial contradictions. Which, by the way,

1176
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,039
the audience resonated with what we argued. And I knew that.

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01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,319
I knew the audience was going to resonate with me

1178
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showing you the Vatican to dogmatic statements versus the medieval

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01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:09,600
papal dogmas and teachings. And I was correct, And that's

1180
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,760
why the audience ninety eight percent in The comments, at

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least earlier today were that these idiots fumbled massively Roumi Callys.

1182
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:23,520
Maybe are beginning to realize that they can't. That apple

1183
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:28,720
smacking idiot was insufferable. Roll six five dollars, Superman, Lois Lane,

1184
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,760
Oh we were that, al righty Dixie fiend five dollars.

1185
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,960
Catholics appeal to Marvel Multiverse fallacies. Exactly, a law is

1186
01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:38,720
just another acceptable spin off character for their funko pop

1187
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:44,840
superhero Yeah, exactly, Emilion twenty dollars. Jay exercised patients under

1188
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,600
all those insults from Trent. That's admirable. Well, you notice

1189
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,640
that anytime that I do something positive by God's grace,

1190
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:57,279
that's ignored and forgotten. But if I ever even slightly

1191
01:30:57,359 --> 01:30:59,880
stubbed my toenail is the end of the world. And

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01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:03,960
I'm the most evil, mean guy. And so yeah, it's

1193
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:11,399
a selective evidence and selective proofs of meanness. Adam Crazy

1194
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,239
five dollars. Clark Kent and Superman have the same attributes

1195
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,760
Allah in Christ do not. Their analogy doesn't even work,

1196
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,399
beautifully said, made by Jimbop ten dollars. The Superman analogy

1197
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:27,640
confuses expose the confusion between Clark Kent a person and

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01:31:28,079 --> 01:31:32,039
human as a category that persons are in another interesting angle.

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There's people have been just really going off on this.

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I didn't even really honestly in the debate. All I

1201
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,520
wanted to do was get this magisterial point out. And

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so when they when I realized that Cameron was acting

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01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,399
like I didn't in the DM specified that that's what

1204
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,640
I'm going to debate, I just tuned out because I'm like,

1205
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,279
all right, well, all I care about is getting the

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01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:59,239
magisterial argument out. It was obvious to the audience that

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01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,239
they weren't gonna address it, so then they tried to

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01:32:02,279 --> 01:32:05,439
spin it into me coming and bringing an irrelevant topic

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01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,880
and they got called lying about that. So that just

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01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:13,960
doubles the just I mean, that's why I'm telling you

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01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:18,760
guys like you're not dealing with You're dealing with disingenuous,

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01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:29,000
bad faith people. That's what That's what I'm saying. Ortho

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01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:31,600
Toko's five dollars would Roman calolcs have to con see

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01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:35,239
that Muhammad was referring to the Christian God when God

1215
01:32:35,399 --> 01:32:42,319
showed up showing him Ayesha in a dream. Ooh, exactly,

1216
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:51,640
good point. Yeah, these arguments were kryptonite to their gay

1217
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:56,600
superman shit. I'll tell you that right now, more like

1218
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:00,680
super gay, not Superman. Harry Spinis fi dollars you do run,

1219
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,399
mccalliics no longer have a leg to stand on. Pink

1220
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,920
unicorn seven dollars. Sam thinks that a pink unicorn is

1221
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:09,800
the same god of the Bible. I'm not kidding. Yeah,

1222
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,119
I saw his comment, this is what terminal papism looks like.

1223
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,439
Swipe right for your receipts. Yeah, exactly. I wish you'd

1224
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:24,159
put that on. I can't get that link out of

1225
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:29,840
stream labs, but I did see Stremiann saying that, and

1226
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,000
he's basically saying the same thing that these goobers are saying.

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Right now, we got a couple more things I want

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to get to from Denzinger because we didn't even get

1229
01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:38,399
to that, which which I thought is a relevant argument.

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Let's see, let's go to Denzinger. I don't want you

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01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:52,319
to see seventeen. Let's start with nineteen sixty six and

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Donzinger first will work our way back. You know what,

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another thing I'm thinking about in regard to this, what

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I'm to the camera, what's going Oh the battery did

1235
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:18,359
can you guys hear me? I forgot to plug the

1236
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:21,520
battery yet? All right, give me one just saying just

1237
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one second, we'll open up here. Two calls in a second. Here,

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I'm almost done with the information. I've actually got a

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01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:55,920
lot more though. Okay, all right, so we're gonna look

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01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:02,199
real quick here AT's Denzinger nineteen sixty six. There's not

1241
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:03,560
a whole lot of these, just a few of them.

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We'll see how we can get through here. Okay, Whether

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01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,880
a missionary this is eighteen ninety eight responses as the

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01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,560
Holy office under the Pope in Denzinger? Can a missionary

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01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,800
confer baptism on a Mohammedan at the point of death, who,

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01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,439
in his errors he supposes to be in good faith?

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The answer is if he has his full faculties, only

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by exhorting him to sorel and confidence, not by speaking

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01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:38,920
about our mysteries for fear that he will believe them,

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01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,279
whatever his faculties are, by saying nothing to him. Since

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then these are the possibilities they are listing here, and

1252
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:49,800
we'll get to the reply. Should we say nothing to him?

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01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:53,359
Should we not talk about our mysteries? If he's lost

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01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,640
his faculties? Should we not baptize them if we not

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01:35:55,720 --> 01:36:01,600
do anything reply to one in two. No, you may

1256
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:09,279
not confer baptism only because of talking about sorol and confidence.

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It is not permitted to a minister of baptism absolutely

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or conditionally to Mohammedan's as the decree of the Holy

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01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,680
Office was already given in Denzinger thirteen forty nine. So

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let's go to Denzinger thirteen forty nine. Concerning the truths.

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01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,680
This is key. This is under Pope Clement the eleventh

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in seventeen hundred to seventeen twenty one, Pope Clement the

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01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:53,920
eleventh determined what is necessarily to be believed explicitly. And

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the reason this matters is that at this time, this

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is when the Roman Catholic Church is determining in still

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01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:05,760
a due to these specific questions about Mohammedan's what things

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01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:10,399
are necessary to have the faith to be baptized. So

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this is what's the absolute minimum according to Rome, for

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01:37:17,159 --> 01:37:19,199
a Muslim to be baptized, to say that he quote

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01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:21,840
has the faith right? For example, you might think, well,

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01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,800
does he have to memorize the Creed? Does he have

1272
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,239
to start reading the gospels? Does he what are the

1273
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:31,159
two basics. Well, guess what Rome has an answer. Whether

1274
01:37:31,239 --> 01:37:33,560
a minister is bound before baptism is conferred on an

1275
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:37,239
adult to explain all the mysteries of the faith, especially

1276
01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:39,720
if he's on the point of death, because if we

1277
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,840
explain all the mysteries, that might disturb his mind. Or

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01:37:43,079 --> 01:37:44,840
is it sufficient if a person is at the point

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01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:48,720
of death, if he promises, if he recovers from the illness,

1280
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,279
to be instructed, then we might just go ahead and

1281
01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:58,640
baptize him. A promise to learn the faith if you

1282
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,119
get better is not sufficient. But now, wait a minute,

1283
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,840
why would it not be sufficient? If Muslims and Christians

1284
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,359
and Jews all worship the same God and adore him,

1285
01:38:11,159 --> 01:38:14,560
it ought to be sufficient because they're referent. Just is God.

1286
01:38:15,399 --> 01:38:19,600
Oh but wait a minute. To have the faith, it

1287
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:26,960
is necessary that two mysteries be conveyed to them, namely

1288
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:33,840
the Trinity and the incarnation. So even in traditional Tridentine,

1289
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:39,880
Roman Catholicism post Trent, a Muslim can't just be baptized

1290
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:44,399
because he believes in Allah, even if he's interested in

1291
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:50,159
Catholicism or he wants to be baptized. If Muslims worshiped

1292
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:53,399
and adore the One True God. Via even what Vatican

1293
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,960
two says, there's no reason why they couldn't be baptized.

1294
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:04,079
Un Less, even in the seventeen hundreds, the Roman Catholic

1295
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:08,479
Church still noted that to have the faith, you must

1296
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:12,199
at least have a belief in the Trinity and the incarnation.

1297
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:19,279
Then you can be baptized. Now do any of these

1298
01:39:19,359 --> 01:39:24,840
Roman Catholics even go into Denzinger? I mean, seriously, when

1299
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,840
was the last time a Roman Catholic even cited Densinger?

1300
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,279
Maybe Scott Hollner or maybe some scholar in a paper

1301
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,560
have you ever seen? Maybe they do. I don't watch

1302
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:40,399
these goobers. Do they ever even go into Denzinger? Their clowns, dude?

1303
01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:43,680
I mean, I don't know. Maybe leathered Addy does. I

1304
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:49,720
don't watch his gay live chat. Somebody helped me if

1305
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,560
they do, because I will be impressed if any of

1306
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,920
them ever even cite Denzinger. If they do, I would

1307
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,239
be impressed. I mean, when was the last time any

1308
01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:03,680
of those goobers cited Denzinger? Thirteen forty nine under Pope

1309
01:40:04,199 --> 01:40:08,680
Clement the Eleventh answering what's necessary for Muslims to have

1310
01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:15,800
the faith? So if that's necessary to have the faith,

1311
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,399
the trendity and incarnation. Then you can baptize a Muslim.

1312
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:23,479
Then Vatican two's documents are false. They do not have

1313
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:43,199
faith in the One God. And I do want to

1314
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:46,640
bring up the well known classic everybody's familiar with this,

1315
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,279
but it is worth bringing back up because it reminds

1316
01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:52,680
us of the attitude that the Romancolic Church had at

1317
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:57,720
the Council of Florence, which is again very obviously contradictory

1318
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:04,079
to Vatican two. What does Denzinger seven fourteen, which is

1319
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:08,880
the classic cantate Domino section, The Roman Church firmly believes

1320
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:13,319
and professes and proclaims that those not living within her.

1321
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:19,000
Now who makes up the category of those not within her? Hmm?

1322
01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:25,319
I wonder how many Roman Catholic specious sophistical arguments can

1323
01:41:25,399 --> 01:41:29,800
we get to get around this clear statement those not

1324
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:36,000
within the Catholic Church not only Pagans, but Jews, heretics

1325
01:41:36,039 --> 01:41:40,199
and schismatics are well, uh Muslims too, by the way,

1326
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:44,960
because they were just called in the previous century infidel

1327
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:52,159
demon worshipers, they cannot become participants in eternal life and

1328
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:56,119
they will be damned in like a fire unless before

1329
01:41:56,239 --> 01:41:59,600
the end of their life, they are added to the

1330
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:07,840
flo what flock, any flock, Protestant flock, Evangelicals, Mormons, the

1331
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:12,720
flock that's explained right here, of the ecclesiastical body of

1332
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:19,880
the Roman Church, aka the papal flock, and do the

1333
01:42:20,039 --> 01:42:25,560
works of the Roman Church and its fastings and well

1334
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:32,319
whatever they do, even if he be a martyr for Christ.

1335
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Look at this, the Roman Church at Cantate Domino rejects

1336
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that you can be a Coptic martyr, an Orthodox martyr,

1337
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:50,960
an Historian, Syriac martyr outside of the Roman Church unless

1338
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,239
before the end of your life you are joined to

1339
01:42:54,279 --> 01:42:57,600
the papacy. That's what this clear as day says, the

1340
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:01,319
bosom and unity of the Roman Church Church, not Sam

1341
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:08,079
Shimun's made up Apostolic Church, the Roman Church, which at

1342
01:43:08,119 --> 01:43:13,079
this time was certainly not in half communion with the

1343
01:43:13,159 --> 01:43:17,359
Assyrian Church of the East or anyone else. I mean,

1344
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,159
just the idea that they come up with, this idea

1345
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:21,239
of half communion. And by the way, how do I

1346
01:43:21,359 --> 01:43:26,000
know that, Because this is the decrees for the separated Easterns.

1347
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:32,119
It literally says right after this the decrees for the Syrians,

1348
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:38,199
the Chaldeans, the Maronites, the Armenians. In other words, everyone

1349
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:44,239
in schism in these groups is damned, even if you're

1350
01:43:44,279 --> 01:43:49,079
a martyr for Jesus. Remember all the Coptics coming after me,

1351
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,600
and they love Rome because they're all Ecumenists. So they

1352
01:43:55,640 --> 01:44:02,520
hate us because we're not Acumenists. Your own Roman buddies,

1353
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:06,680
your own butt buddies in Rome literally said the same

1354
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:11,279
thing that I say. At the Council of Florence, they

1355
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:15,279
changed their doctrine, they lied and changed it at Vatican

1356
01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:18,720
two to where now Muslims are part of the plan

1357
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,079
of salvation and worship the same gotta how can you

1358
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:24,600
be honest with yourself and not say that Cantate Domino

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01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:28,359
seven fourteen is night and day with what no stra

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01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:34,159
atate and LEMANGENTI was sixteen say? And I do do

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01:44:34,319 --> 01:44:37,079
Roman Catholics even know about Cantate Domino. I learned about

1362
01:44:37,079 --> 01:44:38,600
this right when I became a Roman Catholic. This is

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01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:39,960
one of the first things I learned about in two

1364
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:41,760
thousand and three when I became Roman qual I learned

1365
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:45,199
about what's this Contate Domino and this strong statement of

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extra ecclasium nolah salus okay, I had several notes also

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on the types of things that we see in Garibee.

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I did want to note one last point about and

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there's a lot more that we could go into in Denzinger,

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but I mean this is good enough. I think this.

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By the way, you can easily read the John Paul

1372
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people throwing where's this, where's this? John Polst, like I

1373
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:25,039
made this up? Like John Paul, Like you couldn't literally

1374
01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:27,840
just type in may Saint John the bout us protect

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Islam and get his frickin' homily right here. So I

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will link that right here. Now. Another reason why it's

1377
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:45,640
so important to prove that it's the Trinity and it's

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Christ in the Old Testament is that that immediately cancels

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out Islam. As you guys know from all the debates

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that we've been doing with the Muslims for the last

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seven years. Whether it's Sheik Rashid or now Zambga forour

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or whether it's Paul Williams, or whether it's Daniel Hakikachu

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or Jake or any of them, their first presupposition is

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that the God of the Old Testament is a Unitarian deity,

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which is the very thing that these idiot Roman Catholics think,

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by the way, many of them, very few of them

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actually think that it's actually the Trinity in Christ because

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they're all confused. They don't. The other thing is that

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if you noticed Roman Catholics don't like Biblical theology, there's

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a handful of them that do. Okay, Scott hand does, Yeah, wow,

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So what the rest of them? They're idiots. They don't

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know anything about the Bible. All they care about is

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they're idyl Thomas Aquinas or whatever other weird thing that

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they're obsessed with, like they're orgiastic history, onic women's saints,

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01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:49,239
whatever weird fetish they have. They don't care what the

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Bible says. But the Bible is important because that's actually

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the divine revelation, at least the written form, right, and

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we all agree it's not going to contrad unless you're

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just a mind brain. Den Roe accalth he thinks that

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it does. It's important to point out that so many

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of these Theophanes are graphic in what they describe. I

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don't mean in a sexual way. I mean in the

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way that they describe what God's doing. In Genesis eighteen one,

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01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:27,279
it says Yahweh Jehovah appeared to Abraham in the planes

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01:47:27,319 --> 01:47:32,000
of memorra as he as Abraham sat at the tent, okay,

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01:47:36,199 --> 01:47:42,960
and lo, Abraham looked up, raised his eyes and saw

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three men standing there, one of.

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Speaker 4: Whom is.

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Speaker 1: Yahweh Jehovah. Interesting, so God literally appears stands there in

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front of Abraham and they have a meal. The thing

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01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:07,560
that Trent Doherty didn't even know what this was. I

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01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:09,279
brought this up. He had no knowledge, so like he

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didn't even know about the meal with Abraham, and had

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01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,359
we gone into it. I had all these tabs up

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to say, you understand, this is saying Yahweh stands there

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in front of him. Abraham looks up with his eyes

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01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:26,159
and sees Yahweh as the form of a man. How

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01:48:26,319 --> 01:48:32,239
is that possible? And the whole point of this is

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01:48:32,319 --> 01:48:36,479
that these idiots reject Theophanes. You see, That's what we're

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01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:39,399
talking These are the All of this is the destruction

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01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,880
of their stupid system if they think about it for

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01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,720
a minute, because if these Theophanies are Jesus, and they are,

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then is Jesus in the Old Testament? And the whole

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01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:53,159
Unitarian natural theology thesis falls away. And by the way,

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01:48:53,279 --> 01:48:56,520
so does Mohammad's idea that the reference in the Old

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01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:00,600
Testament is quote God, the God of the Jews, the

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01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:05,000
true God, God of the Jews in these passages is Jesus.

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That's the point. That's why this destroys all of these heretics,

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whether it's Trent Horn, whether it's the other Trent, or

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whether it's any of these other goobers. What did I

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01:49:20,079 --> 01:49:26,279
argue to Daniel Haikikachu. That is the exact identical refutation

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01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:33,840
of these idiots. And they are idiots. They're lazy, ignorant idiots,

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01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:37,279
and that's why they hate going divine revelations so much.

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They will they will go anywhere but to what the

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scriptures say. And I will give credit to the Protestants

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for recognizing this. When you read through the comments, many

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01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,560
Protestants noted, wait a minute, why are the orth Why

1438
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:53,119
is the Orthodox guy really wanted to go to the

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01:49:53,159 --> 01:49:57,720
scriptures here? Why is it the Roman Catholics consistently hate

1440
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,680
going to the scriptures. They'll do they'll about anything but

1441
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:05,079
going to the scriptures because they don't believe it. That's

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why they don't really believe with the script That's why,

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know you not the scriptures what does Jesus say to

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the they're Pharisees, And so it's the same debate. I'm

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having the same debate Jesus has with the Pharisees in

1446
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:20,039
John five to nine. And these idiots are literally representing

1447
01:50:20,039 --> 01:50:21,800
the Pharisee position and they don't even know what They

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01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:24,640
can't even see it because they don't read the scriptures. Hence,

1449
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:26,800
why Jesus says to the Pharisees, do you know you're

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01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:33,439
not the scripture? You don't even know the scriptures. Religion,

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01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,199
whether it is O or Christianity, actually has continuity with

1452
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,439
the religion. Now this is important because this shows Wait

1453
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:46,000
a minute, Old Testament Judaism isn't unitarian. Guess what modern

1454
01:50:46,079 --> 01:50:49,600
Jews admit this? Did you know that? Did you know

1455
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:58,760
that modern Jewish scholarship is increasingly admitting whether it's Somer's, Schaeffer, Bujarin, Siegel, Gersham, Scholem.

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01:50:59,279 --> 01:51:02,479
Oh wait a minute, they're admitting this point. Why because

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01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:07,359
they aren't interested in Rabbinic Talmudic traditions. They're in academia.

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They don't have a bias. I mean, they have some bias,

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01:51:10,039 --> 01:51:15,760
but they don't have some specific bias to prop up

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01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:24,159
Unitarian Mimonidean Judaism, and they can look at the text

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01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,600
as Somers does. Who is I think a textual liberal?

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01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,520
And he says, well, it clearly says in Judges that

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01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:37,880
Yahweh turned his face to Gideon. Yeah, exactly, which refutes

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the idea that it's a creature and the tomistic idea

1465
01:51:42,319 --> 01:51:47,720
that Theophanes are creatures, or the idiotic natural theology idea

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01:51:48,039 --> 01:51:50,520
that it's not Jesus in the Old Testament, as these

1467
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:57,359
heretics say, did nobody read justin Saint Justin versus Tripho.

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These idiots are making the same arguments as Tripho. Roman

1469
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:06,840
Catholics make the Trifo argument, down to the law and

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01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:11,560
the profits and that image there. We're not gonna go

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01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,079
too deep into right now, but we'll get into it

1472
01:52:13,159 --> 01:52:14,920
here in a little bit, and I might go back

1473
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,760
and forth between screenshare and some of the stuff I've

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got out here to show.

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Speaker 5: The first question I would ask in regard to this

1476
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debate is how would a sevenths.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna skip ahead of just a little bit

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01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:30,239
to get past the Muslim part, because the purpose of

1479
01:52:30,279 --> 01:52:33,960
showing this is to point out and by the way,

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01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:35,720
you remember, remember when I brought this up, the Muslims

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01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,560
were too stupid even to understand what I was arguing.

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They thought I was arguing that Jews are Trinitarians. No,

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I'm saying that Jewish scholarship is admitting that first second

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01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:52,640
third century Judaism was not unilaterally unitarian. It was all

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01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:56,399
over the place. There's no light in them. The next

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01:52:57,039 --> 01:52:59,359
thing that has to be shown, which I may cause

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01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:05,079
some people's surprise, is that the Old Testament prophets were trinitarian.

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Speaker 5: They were not unitarian.

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Speaker 1: Judaism specifically in the Second Temple period, was not a

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01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:16,399
monolithic unitarian enterprise. The question did you hear that? These

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01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:20,199
idiot Muslims when I made this argument, turned around and said,

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01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,800
so you're saying they believe in the Trinity, that the

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01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:28,439
Jews believe in the Trinity? Did I say that? I

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01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:34,840
said they were not totally monolithically unitarian. And that's what

1495
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,720
the Jewish scholars say that I saw. Here becomes what

1496
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,800
are the teachings of the prophets in the Old Testament.

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01:53:41,399 --> 01:53:44,880
Did they actually teach as Islam says, a radical unitarianism

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01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:49,000
or is it something more fluid, or is their differentiation

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01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:54,840
in Yahweh. In fact, modern Jewish scholarship unanimously is undecided

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01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,399
on this question. There's a lot of Jewish scholarship that

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01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:01,439
is listed here. For example, Daniel Boyn and later I

1502
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:04,760
have Summer and I have a seagull, and they admit

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01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:08,319
that in the Old Testament itself not due to christian.

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01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:10,399
Speaker 5: In the Old Testament.

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Speaker 1: Itself, we find many, many passages that show differentiation in Yahweh.

1506
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:20,039
That differentiation is not just located in rabbinic debates. It

1507
01:54:20,079 --> 01:54:23,199
also continues in why are we showing this? Because this

1508
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:27,800
demonstrates that, according to their argumentation, and even Trent's argumentation

1509
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:34,479
in the debate, that Mohammed is pulling from Judaic unitarianism.

1510
01:54:35,239 --> 01:54:40,520
Oh but wait a minute, if Judaic theology is not unitarian,

1511
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:44,880
then that falls apart, because that means Mohammed should have

1512
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:51,399
been trinitarian and he's not. And again, Islam and the

1513
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:57,239
Muslims think they're restoring the true monotheism of the Old Testament.

1514
01:54:58,039 --> 01:55:01,960
That's why it's so devastating to demonstrate that the Old

1515
01:55:02,039 --> 01:55:05,680
Testament is not unitarian. To them. That means the whole

1516
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:09,119
project fails. That means Mohammed is not a profit in

1517
01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:14,720
continuity with the Old Testament, because the prophets are teaching trinitarianism,

1518
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:18,880
not unitarianism. Therefore, Mohammad is a false prophet because it's

1519
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,960
a different god. Mohammad is calling you to other gods.

1520
01:55:22,039 --> 01:55:27,000
Jeromi thirteen, Jurami eighteen. That's why this argument is so devastating.

1521
01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:31,960
And it's not just devastating to the Muslims, but it's

1522
01:55:32,039 --> 01:55:34,479
devastating to their butt buddies, the Roman Catholics, who have

1523
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:35,560
the same position.

1524
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 5: To later medieval debates with Jewish Kabbalah. And you could

1525
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:41,000
see there.

1526
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,000
Speaker 1: For example, Gursham Sholam in his book on Kabbalah, he's

1527
01:55:44,079 --> 01:55:48,640
the respected cabalist theologian of the Middle Ages or a

1528
01:55:49,079 --> 01:55:52,279
scholar of medieval kabbala He points out, for example, to

1529
01:55:52,359 --> 01:55:54,720
beat three beginningless lights that are mentioned.

1530
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 5: Now, I'm not a Kabbalist.

1531
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out that this shows that the Jewish

1532
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:01,479
tradition is not monol thick in its presentation.

1533
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:03,840
Speaker 5: So I'd like to come back then.

1534
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:07,159
Speaker 1: To my screen to me here and point out that

1535
01:56:08,399 --> 01:56:10,720
the first display of trinitarian theology in the law of

1536
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:14,000
the Prophets is, for example, here on this whiteboard and

1537
01:56:14,039 --> 01:56:16,760
I'm showing this whiteboard because hopefully guys can see this.

1538
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:18,319
Speaker 5: You can screen.

1539
01:56:20,039 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 1: Right. I tried to fit this on here, but it does.

1540
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:25,239
All the passages are not exactly there. But this is

1541
01:56:25,359 --> 01:56:32,079
just a smattering of Theophanes and Trinitarian references in the Torah,

1542
01:56:32,439 --> 01:56:34,600
the prophets, and the writings. Okay, so I'm gonna skip

1543
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,880
past that and get to back to this point here

1544
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:42,399
and points out that the.

1545
01:56:44,079 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 5: Triad there.

1546
01:56:45,079 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't mean to argue either that the Old Testament

1547
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:51,800
explicitly uses the words triad. Know all this necessary, as

1548
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:55,720
the Jewish host scholars are admitting, is that the Old

1549
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,279
Testament believer spoke of Father, Angel, the.

1550
01:56:58,319 --> 01:57:00,119
Speaker 5: Lord, or some of the Man and the Spirit it

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01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:02,079
in a real distinctive way.

1552
01:57:02,199 --> 01:57:05,439
Speaker 1: And they do. Although many in modern and modernity assumed

1553
01:57:05,439 --> 01:57:08,039
that the Law and the Prophets were strictly unitarian, Jewish

1554
01:57:08,039 --> 01:57:11,000
scholar Daniel Barin notes that early Christianity actually represents a

1555
01:57:11,079 --> 01:57:13,720
conservative form of Judaism that sought to remain faithful to

1556
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:15,960
the totality of revelation in the Law of the Prophets,

1557
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:20,279
including the texts to portray differing his hypostaces in God.

1558
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,880
Another example of This is a recent Jewish scholarship on

1559
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:27,359
divine fluidity and divine embodiment in the Law and the prophets.

1560
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:29,560
Now again I'm not Jewish. I'm just pointing out that

1561
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:33,800
the admissions of Jewish scholarship are to our position nowadays.

1562
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,159
We are in in the Jewish Gospels, the story of

1563
01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:39,000
the Jewish christ Notes. For example, just from the example

1564
01:57:39,239 --> 01:57:43,079
from the text of Daniel seven, we have the discussion

1565
01:57:43,279 --> 01:57:46,960
of the Messiah being divine, the Messiah being in human form,

1566
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:49,479
the Messiah appearing as younger than the Ancient of days,

1567
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:53,279
the divinity of Ancient of days. We have the Messiah

1568
01:57:53,279 --> 01:57:57,560
appearing eventually enthroned upon high and being given dominion and

1569
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:02,239
authority over earth. That is the assent and Christian theology. Now,

1570
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:06,640
early on, in the early days of Christianity, there were

1571
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:11,680
already rabbinical debates before Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism completely parted ways,

1572
01:58:12,119 --> 01:58:14,840
where you even have people like famous rabbis at Rabbi Akiva,

1573
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,800
for example, admitting that there is multiplicity in some sense

1574
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:20,199
in the Godhead. This is covered in Alan Siegel's Two

1575
01:58:20,199 --> 01:58:22,920
Powers in Heaven and in Shaefer's Two Gods in Heaven.

1576
01:58:23,439 --> 01:58:26,760
Now God is a generic term that can pick out

1577
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:29,760
a specific hypostasis, and it can also pick out a

1578
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:33,560
generic nature. So when it says two gods or two powers,

1579
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:38,479
it's not indicating polytheism. It's merely indicating differentiation in the text.

1580
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:40,960
Now again, I'm not arguing for Kabbala. I'm just pointing

1581
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,840
out as an example that Rabbinic Judaism is not a

1582
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:48,479
monolithic Unitarian philosophy. As Summer notes, this is a later

1583
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:53,920
Mamonidean feature and not a Cabalistic or early Christian Judaic feature.

1584
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:59,439
Second tiple, Judaism in Jewish scholarship was not monolithic, it

1585
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,840
was not right unitarian, it was fluid, and it did

1586
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:05,640
not admit God to be multiple due to later accretions.

1587
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:10,199
In fact, Siegel and Summers and other admit that you

1588
01:59:10,279 --> 01:59:14,239
can have a multiplicity of personae in early Jewish theology

1589
01:59:14,399 --> 01:59:19,319
without that necessitating, for example, multiple wills. This is also

1590
01:59:19,439 --> 01:59:22,920
seen in the process of the rabbis in their eventual

1591
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:26,720
exclusion of logos theology, which is not a direct import

1592
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:30,720
from Hellenism per se, but rather from the wisdom tax

1593
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:33,760
of the Old Testament, the Solomonic literature, and so forth.

1594
01:59:34,119 --> 01:59:37,880
Jewish scholars like Simeon Halevi Sholem. We are in Siegel

1595
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:41,000
and some are admit that rabbinical dialogues and debates on

1596
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:45,000
the Wisdom Logos text and the Merkaba Chariot mysticism that

1597
01:59:45,159 --> 01:59:49,560
draws from both the Psalms, Ezekiel Daniel and Enochic literature

1598
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:53,680
all posit various divine embodiments, manifestations, and even incarnation.

1599
01:59:54,399 --> 01:59:55,319
Speaker 5: In fact, ancient.

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01:59:55,079 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Rabibitical dialogues discuss the divine Messiah suffering, dying, and perhaps

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01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:04,560
the atoning. One example is Rabbi Hagalili in Boyarin's Jewish

1602
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:08,680
Gospels discussing the Atoning death. And then my friend, the

1603
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:12,960
Jewish Messianic Christian Kenami has a book Jewish the Jewish

1604
02:00:13,039 --> 02:00:16,680
Messiah is is a Judaism versus Judaism debate again, just

1605
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:18,560
illustrating that Judaism.

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Speaker 5: Is not a monolithic enterprise.

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Speaker 1: Now, as we get back to embodiment, Jewish scholar Benjamin

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Summer notes in his Law and the Prophets that they

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themselves in many texts that I cited in my big

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whiteboard there display what he calls fluidity of Yahwai's ability

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to be both imminent and transcendent, as well as manifesting

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at certain times and in certain places, in special modes

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and in special presences.

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Speaker 5: This is not entail or necessitate a change in Yahwe's essence.

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Speaker 1: Notice that this is directly antithetical to the metaphysical philosophical

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dogmas of Tonism one oh one. God is reduced to

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absolute simplicity and act as purists such that he cannot

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manifest in time and space. This is why Tomists in

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most Roman Catholics reject the Theophanes being really God in

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time and space, and rather some sort of created emissary

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or a created light. This is their position. Notice that

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it is the opposite of the Hebrew revelation as we

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see heres or nature, but rather that He's able to

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be embodied or to manifest in various and distinct ways.

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Some are even emits of The dispute, again, was not

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over a strict numerical oneness, because many people in the

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ancient world did not always count by strict identity, but

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rather by division. Whether this distinction the hypostaces allow for

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multiple wills is the real issue, according to Summer, and

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that of course is something that Trinitarians reject. We do

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not believe in multiple wills in the Godhead. Some are cites.

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Many of the holy places in icon iconography replete throughout

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the Old Testament, law and profits, including.

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Speaker 5: Alterstone's trees, which are Yeahweh.

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Speaker 1: They're made holly in anticipation of the temple and tabernacle

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liturgical services, which will also embody Yahweh above the arc

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of the chicina and so forth a cloud well, at

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the same time not embodying the divine essence or in

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any way altering Yahweh. Oh, that's the essence inner distinction

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from the Hebrew revelation. The metaphysics of the God of

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the Hellenic Roman Catholic philosophers is not the personal Yahweh

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who manifests in time and space, standing like a man

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at the tabernacle eating a meal with Abraham. That's an

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offense to the philosopher minded idiots in Rome. Oh, could

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God be in time and space and have a meal?

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God is an absolutely simple monad. It's because you don't

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have God. It's because you don't understand that the I

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Am is a person, I am He. It's not an

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I am monad, I am essence. This as a side note,

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the Quran also appears to have inadvertently left these references

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to this special presence in texts like six seventy one

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to eighty eleven seventy eight.

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Speaker 5: Now the challenge then, as I would put it to day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's enough of that. You get the point

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that this refutes Islam and the tonistic idiotic position of

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these people. At the same time, now, I also wanted

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to distress that he didn't even seem to be aware

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that the New Testament teaches the Trent dude, The New

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Testament teaches that every time Old Testament prophets were speaking,

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who was it speaking through them? Oh, the Spirit of Christ.

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So every psalm David wrote, he wrote by the spirit

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of Jesus, according to Peter and one Peter one to eleven.

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And this goober said he didn't know Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Jesus was the first Satry Jewish past Stein Rabbi.

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Speaker 1: That ain't the Angel Lord, No, it is Jesus. And

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that's why you're not in the faith. That's why you're

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heterodox orbo bro rebuke. Roman Catholic claims that sincerely, Muslims

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02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:22,399
worship God, Yes we are doing that. But Dana Chan

1669
02:04:22,479 --> 02:04:26,399
of five dollars do you recommend telling friends and family

1670
02:04:26,439 --> 02:04:30,000
about bitcoin. I'm worried that they won't listen. Well, just

1671
02:04:30,079 --> 02:04:32,399
tell them, and then when they don't listen, remind them

1672
02:04:32,439 --> 02:04:35,680
and then eventually, So the way this works is they

1673
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:39,399
don't ask about bitcoin until it's at a cycle top,

1674
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and so then that's the worst time to buy. But

1675
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:46,399
might as well just tell them. Actually, it's never a

1676
02:04:46,439 --> 02:04:51,600
bad time to buy. So well, Emmanuel one hundred Mexicans.

1677
02:04:52,039 --> 02:04:54,399
Let me tell you about my neighbor Clark. I read

1678
02:04:54,439 --> 02:04:57,000
him about him in a Superman comic book. They got

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02:04:57,079 --> 02:04:59,960
him all wrong. Roman Catholic's confirmed that I'm talking about

1680
02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:04,479
Clark because it's the same comic book. David Hawk ten dollars.

1681
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Trent's argument wrestle on the claim that Islam is based

1682
02:05:07,079 --> 02:05:10,039
on Jewish Christian revelation exactly, but it's not. I mean,

1683
02:05:10,319 --> 02:05:13,239
it claims to be, but it's not. In reality, Islam

1684
02:05:13,359 --> 02:05:18,039
is a combination of Arab folklore, Christian pagan is. It's Gnostic,

1685
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:27,600
Talmudic pagan and Old Testament texts and beliefs, all mixed

1686
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:30,199
into a hodgepodge. The only people who say this just

1687
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:33,840
don't even understand Islam. A s Brazi five dollars. To

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02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:36,439
be fair, I was talking trash back to the Roman Catholics.

1689
02:05:37,159 --> 02:05:39,680
But if he's allowing them to disrespect you all debateing,

1690
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he should be able to go back and forth. I

1691
02:05:43,039 --> 02:05:45,079
don't know, did you get banned or something you shouldn't

1692
02:05:45,079 --> 02:05:47,800
get banned? Ismail Scelario five dollars. Jail every channel? How

1693
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:51,800
can I join your members on YouTube? You just go

1694
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:54,760
to the tab for members and you click join, or

1695
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:56,640
it should be on the front page of my channel.

1696
02:06:00,039 --> 02:06:04,000
I don't ever see that though, like the well, I

1697
02:06:04,039 --> 02:06:06,199
guess I could sign out of my channel and see

1698
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:08,800
it is the only way for me to really see that.

1699
02:06:09,079 --> 02:06:14,000
But like it should be right here, see this tab

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02:06:14,079 --> 02:06:22,600
memberships should be that right there, members, and then you

1701
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:27,319
can come over here and this is all members content here.

1702
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:30,079
You can also sign up with the website too. It's

1703
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:32,840
basically at the same price, but obviously there's more stuff

1704
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:36,239
on the website because over here on YouTube, I got

1705
02:06:38,399 --> 02:06:43,760
we were demonified, we were de moneyfied for about five

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02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:48,359
years over here. So Julian ten dollars premise won the

1707
02:06:48,439 --> 02:06:50,880
Trinity is God premise too. Muslims do not worship the

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02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:54,359
Trinity Therefore, Muslims don't worship God. I think, ultimately is

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02:06:54,399 --> 02:06:55,920
this simple, and they just want to play a bunch

1710
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:58,520
of games to make this papal nonsense work. Make the

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heart of these pap these papers dull and their ears

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heavy and shut their eyes. Yeah, exactly, They're essentially just talmudists.

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02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:07,720
Smoothie five dollars. Can I get a tattoo in Orthodoxy?

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Just I don't. I mean, I don't think there's anything

1715
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:20,880
inherently wrong with it, but I wouldn't do it. Jaguar

1716
02:07:21,039 --> 02:07:23,039
three dollars, just because I don't. I'm not a big

1717
02:07:23,439 --> 02:07:27,680
I'm not into tattoos. That's that's why Jaguar three dollars.

1718
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:30,199
Why is it that Hindus don't worship the true God? Well,

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Vatican two says they do so. For Hindus, Brahaman is

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the supreme, ultimate reality, eternal, unchanging, infinite source, goal, purpose,

1721
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:43,960
et cetera. Well, I think that's the reasoning of Vatican

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02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:48,479
two is that potentially it is kind of almost to

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02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:52,000
Monotheism as well. Bergen five dollars. Jay used to be

1724
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,720
a Muslim. I've been thinking about becoming Catholic Orthodox. Honestly,

1725
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,079
Catholics hide the truth like Muslims. No, they exactly, They

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02:07:57,319 --> 02:08:01,079
act exactly. Like actually, all these groups that Muslims, Jews,

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02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:07,119
and Roman Catholics are they're all the same, so they

1728
02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:11,279
act the same way. Brandon Greer's five dollars Superman fallacy,

1729
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it smails Salio. No, we did, though, Jacob Crocker five dollars.

1730
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:19,680
Why even debate it? They can see that Muslims are

1731
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:22,000
burning in hell without Jesus. In the opening statements, it

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02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:26,039
was all redundant. I mean, that's why I said, what

1733
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:29,119
really matters here is what Vatican two is pushing, and

1734
02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:32,680
the delusion that it's pushing. And then they're like, Vatican

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02:08:32,720 --> 02:08:34,920
two is irrelevant. Oh okay, so the magisterium of your

1736
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:37,880
church is are relevant? Yes, it is. Zors two dollars.

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02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:52,279
We'd be microwaving hot dogs pinos three dollars, what's up dogs?

1738
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:56,880
Crazy making from papist in all the bizarre week ass

1739
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:02,119
coping drinking reminds me of gaslighting victims of narcissistic abuse.

1740
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If you destroy people's ability to perceive reality, yeah, this

1741
02:09:05,479 --> 02:09:08,880
is really what colts do, and that's exactly what's going on.

1742
02:09:09,479 --> 02:09:11,159
This is a sad and terrible thing to do. To people,

1743
02:09:11,239 --> 02:09:15,960
paipisinm is evil. Yeah, it gets people denying reality to

1744
02:09:16,119 --> 02:09:19,960
maintain the system. It's like this. I don't know if

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02:09:19,960 --> 02:09:22,560
it's apocryphal or not, but there's this famous thing attributed

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02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:27,399
to Hegel. You know. Hegel supposedly says, you know, my

1747
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:31,279
system is like, you know, the ultimate explanation of reality.

1748
02:09:31,399 --> 02:09:34,159
And one of the students says, well, Hegel, what if

1749
02:09:34,199 --> 02:09:38,560
there's facts that contradict your system? And Hegel says, if

1750
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:41,039
a fact contradicts the system, and the fact be dan

1751
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because the system is truth. That's whether that's true or not.

1752
02:09:46,319 --> 02:09:49,479
That Hagel said that, it's a perfect description of what's

1753
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:55,520
going on here. Gordon bops fi dollars. Traditional Catholics will

1754
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:58,079
handwave all this on the basis that Vatican two is

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02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:01,920
promulgated as a royal council. Yeah, of course that's all bullshit,

1756
02:10:02,039 --> 02:10:04,399
because I have a whole talk and list all the

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02:10:04,479 --> 02:10:09,680
documents that Vatican to is magisterial and it's binding, and

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02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:15,399
I will link that for you right here. If you

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02:10:15,439 --> 02:10:18,760
look at the show description of this video, it shows

1760
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:26,520
the documents as well. I gotta go ahead and go

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02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:29,720
to the go to the calls because we got to

1762
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:33,960
get up and go to church tomorrow, so I can't

1763
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:39,199
do this much longer. Ismail Salario two dollars is world docs.

1764
02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:41,560
He's growing it in Central America. Yeah, I mean, I

1765
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:45,079
think you know, people are gonna want authentic stuff, and

1766
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:51,279
nobody wants this just gay papal stuff except these internet lunatics.

1767
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:54,520
They are the only people that care about this and

1768
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:58,920
all of their insane cult followers. So people are gonna

1769
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:03,960
want the real thing. And so I say, just let

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02:11:04,039 --> 02:11:06,560
them keep being what they are, because the more that

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02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:10,920
they keep being what they are, which is Antichrist, the

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02:11:11,039 --> 02:11:13,600
more they're going to send people our way. So let

1773
02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:18,840
them go go for it. Accelerate your own accelerationist collapse.

1774
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:22,880
Roman calics have had it, petty ten dollars. Clark Kent

1775
02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:25,920
analogy works with Allah because Allah is the greatest of deceivers.

1776
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:29,479
That's exactly what I said, JV. Free blocking is gay, Jay,

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Then I guess I'm gay because I actually profusely and

1778
02:11:35,079 --> 02:11:40,640
liberally block people. And your comments were getting super annoying,

1779
02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:43,800
and don't even bother super chatting because I'm not going

1780
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:46,520
to read them anymore. Cody are twenty dollars. They try

1781
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:49,359
to say Muslims worship other entities that we read that

1782
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:55,800
Bananantine emperor. No, that was last lesture. We read that

1783
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:58,159
one too, Jake twenty dollars. There was a moment in

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02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:00,680
the belligerent Trent rant that reminded me of a boomer

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02:12:00,720 --> 02:12:02,399
that I met twenty years ago who dropped out of

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02:12:02,399 --> 02:12:07,600
the Jesuit priesthood. He admitted the Aristotelian metaphysics, he admitted

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02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:13,600
the He admitted the Aristotelian metaphysics of it of Rome,

1788
02:12:15,439 --> 02:12:19,680
but says they're all practically atheist. Probably true. Cody won

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Our's Roman Catholic actually tell me Florence doesn't count as

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02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:26,439
a contradiction because it doesn't name Muslims. It doesn't have to, because,

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as we saw in the slides, at that time, the

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papacy consistently called Muslims pagans and infidels. I told him

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that the exclusive claims of Cantati Domino were clear. This

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02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:44,680
is the level that we're at. Yeah, I mean, I

1795
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:48,479
had a Roman Catholic told me that the papacy praying

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02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:52,800
in the mosque towards Mecca doesn't count as apostasy because

1797
02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:58,000
they didn't actually become Muslims. So to commit apostasy, you

1798
02:12:58,119 --> 02:13:01,640
have to actually become the religion, so the action of apostasy.

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02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:05,840
So basically, if you want to commit apostasy like fifty

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02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:08,600
times a day, it's not apostasy as long as you

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02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:10,680
just go back to being Roman Catholic. It's so silly,

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02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:14,720
this is, but I mean, this is if you ever

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read rabbinic commentaries and the games that the rabbinical nonsense

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relies on, these Roman Catholics are identical. They're Talmudic Lunatics.

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They do is the exact same bananaitin in PARTU New

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Catholic contradiction unlocked. What's the point of the age of

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02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:49,079
reason for children to receive the Eucharist if it doesn't

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matter if you know Him not to worship him. Ooh,

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another thing that we were writ about. Exactly, Yeah, if

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knowing God is not a condition of worshiping and loving

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him some specific sense, then there's no reason for children

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to be denied the Eucharist exactly. And why would Muslims

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02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:10,239
be denied baptism without knowing the Trinity and the incarnation

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as the Holy Office and the statements under Pope Clement

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02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:17,079
said that we read soul toon dollars Catholic teachings saying

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02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:22,079
that Muslims worship God and demons at the same time.

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By Catholic rules, the older consistent doctrine prevails. Thus Muslims

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don't worship the same God unless Catholics admit the magistrum

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02:14:30,159 --> 02:14:33,279
is incoherent. Well, that's the point. You don't get to

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pick and choose magisteriums. Remember they have a show sponsor,

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02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:48,159
which is chalk dot com, shoq dot com. Let's see

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02:14:48,159 --> 02:15:08,560
here's up here, Wisdom, what's up? I'm mute, Wisdom, I'm mute.

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I needed what's on your mind? Yeah, I just wanted

1824
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to run it past you.

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Speaker 6: Guys about the whole Islam is just scientism for dummies.

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Speaker 1: What you thought zion Well, I mean Zionism is an

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atheist political movement. I don't know if I would equate

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a weird death cult to a kind of an atheist

1829
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:38,079
socialist political movement. I mean there would be some overlaps,

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but I think there's pretty significant differences too. But interesting question.

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But anantine emperor was up with Jake, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 6: I want to call it something that was pretty funny

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and the whole you know, Trent being how do I

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call it slimy? So at the beginning of the debate,

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he very clearly pointed out that he quote appreciated the

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fact that you brought up the paper, Oh yeah, yeah.

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And then later he said that the problem with what

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you're arguing is that you didn't make an argument.

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Speaker 1: At the beginning. Oh yeah, Wait a minute, I thought

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he appreciated it, but then it wasn't an argument, so

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he didn't really appreciate it. So he was being like

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something like this.

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Speaker 6: This happens so often in these debates where it's very long,

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and I get it from your side because it's probably

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harder to see. What was really annoying is that people

1846
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can't follow like the entirety of it because they have

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TikTok brain now and then they just see the dunking

1848
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moments and you don't notice the little things like did

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you see how.

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Speaker 1: For example, Michael Lofton.

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Speaker 6: Just like showed that Sam Sherman is not really Catholic.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't keep up with what do you do?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 1: It's funny.

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Speaker 6: So this is just another example of people not noticing

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the little things people say. But for example, Sam's been

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saying for years the Catholics let him take the Eucharist.

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He never says he is taking the Eucharist in the context. Yeah,

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you just got to notice the ticks that people give

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off in these debates.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember somebody brought it up the other day, liked,

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how do we even know he even goes to a

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Catholic church?

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Speaker 6: Well? Yeah, and and the thing was basically Sam Lake

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just completely flipped out on Michael. So I was curious

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to see what Michael was saying. And some of Sam's

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supporters have basically been saying like, oh, he's not Catholic,

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and I'm like, I've knew this for like two years.

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He keeps saying I take the Eucharist at a Catholic

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church because they let me, which in any context, if

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you're since he was born at a Seran Church of

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the East, you know he could just have not done it,

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like not done the profession of faith.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, oka anute. So I'm confused. So Lofton says

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Shimon's not Catholic, and what's what's the argument? What's Lofton's

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argument that.

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Speaker 6: Isn't One a bunch of people ended up saying that

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to him. And two, when you kind of look at

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the way that Sam phrases everything. He never really explicitly

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says that he did the profession of faith.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: And my whole point is, basically, there's a lot in

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these long form debates if you actually pay attention the

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entire time. Every time I've seen you get pissed off,

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it's actually warranted because basically he said he appreciated it,

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and then said, you weren't making a real argument, and

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you showed up with a preparation to the debate, and

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the guy who is hosting the debate then pretends like

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the wording he used wasn't extremely ambiguous on the fact

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that you needed to provide the documents. And I'm like,

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I just don't understand how anyone can come away from

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these debates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Cameron, Cameron is always thank you. Yeah,

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Cameron has always been slimy. I expected slimy tricks. I

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just didn't think I expect him to act like I

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didn't mention in the DMS literally that twice I was

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going to talk about magisterial statements about Islam from Rome,

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I said, I mentioned in the DMS twice, and then

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today Cameron gas lights his brain dead audience by putting

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the tweets out as if the tweets don't say exactly

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what I said.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was disgusting. I saw that community post and

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my whole my whole point is I was actually thinking

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earlier today, after you finished that debate. I woke up

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and Actors was like last night, and I just go,

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I don't see how you even want to do this anymore.

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Because I'm not saying I don't want to listen. I

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just don't want to listen to these debates because outside

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of the decent exchange that happened with a not father

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and islator, like, we can't get through an hour thirty

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minutes without people not seeing basic verbal tic contradictions. And

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then the comments are insufferable, the reactions are insufferable, and

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I'm like, I kind of like the t the Twitter

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debates more because like people act like because it's a

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time response or anything like it's better. I'm like, it's not.

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You guys don't have attention, right.

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Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, great points, Benantine, And I also I

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agree with you too that probably I mean, I just

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don't even know what, like what how many times do

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we have to do the papacy debate. I'm not faulting Ubi.

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Ubi's the best at that, like I mean, and it's

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always the same stuff where they want to get really

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deep and then people want to bitch and whine and

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complain and not actually deal with the arguments like voice

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or reason, being like I don't have the burden of proof.

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The burden the proof is unusual. We don't have to

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talk about catholic It's like, no, dude, come on, you

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gotta be talking about Catholicism. It's a debate between two

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claims about which one is Catholic. So this whole game

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of like I don't have the burden to proof, that's

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just slame debate tactics where people try to get around

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having to actually, you know, defend anything or argue anything.

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But that was a really good point, ben Antine. I

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didn't even notice the slimy hypocrisy of him pretending like

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he really appreciated the arguments that I brought about magisterium,

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and then later on he's like, you haven't brought an argument.

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Stulli jitu stulli juitum. Anyway, I want to play this

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little clip of what I thought was a really funny

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part in the debate.

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Speaker 2: The same way that Lois Lane can refer to and love.

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Love is very much like worship and a door.

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Speaker 1: Right. What does he say, love? He says it twice?

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Love Love is very much like worshiping a door. Let's

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hear him say it again.

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Speaker 2: Refer to and love. Love is very much like worship

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and a door, right, Clark Kent, even though she explicitly

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rejects that Clark Kent can fly.

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Speaker 1: Okay. The difference is that the analogy fails because the

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Muslim knows the Trinity and the incarnation and the deed

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of Christ, which are the essential or some of the

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essential identifiers, and explicitly says not that God, not Jesus,

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not Trinity, not him. That's why this dumb analogy doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Now, Jesus, you tell me what's the.

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Speaker 1: Unitarian Pharisees when he's debating with them? You do not

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have the love of God and you do not have

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the Father?

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Speaker 6: What what?

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Speaker 2: What relevance is that?

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Speaker 1: Of what is that?

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Speaker 2: I'm not answering that question. I'm not answering.

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Speaker 1: Of what relevance is that? So a biblical example of

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a Unitarian being grilled by Jesus, which fits your perfect

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case you're not going to answer it exactly. And then

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he says, I never said love.

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Speaker 5: Really, you won't answer your question because it refuses the

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very thing that you just look at.

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Speaker 1: This demon. It's a unitary and position that equivalent to Islam.

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It's the Pharisees who say we have the Father, and

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Jesus says, you do not have the Father, nor do

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you have the love of God in you. It's in

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my slides you can refer to. In worship. You said,

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yet they have the love of God. Jesus says, you

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do not have the love of God.

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Speaker 2: Explicitly, no, I didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: Yes you did. You said that, You said that you

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can still love God. You said, yes, you have love

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a word he said, love and adore. And he says, no,

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I didn't say that.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the beginning the same way that

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that Lois Lane can refer to and love. Love is

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very much like worship and a door, right, Clark Kent,

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even though she explicitly rejects that Clark Kent can fly and.

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Speaker 1: Again, loving God, adoring God, worshiping God, they can all

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be equivalent terms. I mean, this is just such a

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this is this is it ended up being temp level stuff.

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I thought that this was going to be like a

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high tiered thing, and it was tea dump soul by

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the way I was. I didn't see the rest of

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it after I left, but people were saying that when

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it was FDA that they actually denied the real presence.

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I didn't hear this part, but I mean, it doesn't

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surprise me.

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Speaker 4: They denied that there was an empirical experience of divinity

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at like the Eucharist.

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Speaker 1: So what is the Eucharist if it's not is it

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a mental Eucharist? That's the Protestant position.

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Speaker 4: Toma Swisky tried to run into, like the whole idea

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of like, what of my empirical experience is of the

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created accidents?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: So he experiences the taste of the wine and the

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texture of the bread.

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Speaker 1: So my body is not partaken of the uncreated energies.

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Now this is I mean, yeah, yeah, exactly, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: That was the route they were trying to take there.

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But so I have a couple of syllogism that I

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put together and I just wanted to because you know,

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they're like adamant about wanting syllogisms, which I you know,

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to a degree I get they do help clarify what

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someone is saying to a degree, But so the the

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first one is an attempt at a counter to Trend's

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like disagreement argument. So I felt like the conversation between

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him and and I Father Deacon Ananias was on like

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the level of description of a same subject with like

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different predicates. But couldn't you force him back to like

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a transcendental position, like where you're talking about transcendental preconditions

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of experience, and then you can show that that disagreement

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necessitates that it's not the same subject. So, for example,

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for two positions to disagree transcendentally, they must posit mutually

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exclusive necessary preconditions for the possibility of experience, reason, or existence.

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The Christian account of God is trihapostatic, relational love is

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intrinsic being absolute personal logos, and the Islamic account as

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absolute mon ad no eternal relationality and will as primary

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proposed mutually exclusive foundations for why anything exists or why

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reason it's possible at at all. So thus their disagreement

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is not over predications of a shared.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is actually the one of the points in

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the Garribee paper is that it's it's what's actually being

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disagreed upon is actually more like two mutually exclusive sets.

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And just because the two different sets have some things

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in common, it doesn't follow that there's one common set.

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So in other words, if I have if I have

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a string of numbers, it's a set like you know,

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ten digits, and I put them in brackets. That's my set.

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And then I have the same numbers and digits in

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another set, but I remove one of them. They are

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two different sets, even though they have ninety sent in common. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so Garibi makes that point in the paper.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess. Yeah. Garibi shows that Swinburne's core attributes

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argument doesn't work as a tomis because God is not

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a being like other empirical beings. This is where Father

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Deacon is trying to argue at the beginning. God is

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not a natural object like all other objects, whereby you

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could get the same object by getting half of it

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right and half of it wrong. In the case of God,

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it's more like a set. And that's why the Church Fathers,

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for example, exclude Arians or Muslims by rejecting trinity and

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due to Christ right. Basil thinks that if you don't

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have trinity, You're it's not the same god.

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Speaker 4: Right, And so that's where I was trying to bring in,

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is that it's actually a rival over which absolute is

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even capable of grounding the entire debate and conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't think that. And so with Trent,

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because he's a kind of a foundationalist and he's they're empiricists, like,

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he's not going to grant any of that like transcendental stuff.

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He'll be like, no, I don't believe any of that. Okay,

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they just have a like as toamas and empiricists like

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they just have a very naive, basic bitch account of

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how we you know, cognate and how we know things

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and how we it's just basically it's just empiricism in

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aerosols it.

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Speaker 4: And then I saw Cameron pestering Luigi for a syllogism again,

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so I just went ahead and gave him one. And

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it's kind of long, and I don't think you should

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really need this to get your point, But you tell me,

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if this is kind of where you were going with

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your argument, you probably I might have made it a

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bit more modest than you would. I don't know, So

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the the Catholic Magisterium has at various levels of authority.

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Speaker 1: I was about to do. I was about to say, Okay,

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I'll do a simple solois with the Magistium. But yeah,

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it's exactly where I was going to.

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Speaker 5: Go with the Catholic Magistarium.

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Speaker 4: At various levels of teachings, US worship false gods or demons,

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and I have lattering forward run and you know your

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references that you showed premise to the same Catholic magistarium

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also teaches that Muslims, together with Christians, adore the one

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merciful true God that's tat and Themagentium by Catholic principles,

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the faithful oh religious mission of intellect and will even

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to non infallible teachings of the authentic Magisterium Vagentum twenty five.

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So the first conclusion would be that Catholics are bound

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to submit religious assent to mutually contradictory teachings exactly the

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true God or demons.

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Speaker 6: Really yeah, well that keeps going because I'm trying.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to show him how it's relevant to the

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question like do they worship the same God or not?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean you're talking can to a guy

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who got I assume from doctor Trent the Bayesian mathematical

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proof of the papacy. So that's where that remember when

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we made fun of this like two years ago, That's

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where this comes from.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But so Premise four. Then, after the first conclusion

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is by principle of non contradiction, it's impossible that Muslims

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both worship the true God and worship demons. Therefore, either

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the magistarium contradicts itself on matters of divine worship, undermining

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its reliability, or Catholics must reject one magisterial strand, undercutting

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the very basis they used to claim that we worshiped

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the same God. So Primise fiv. By Catholic epistemology, when

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faced with apparent contradictions and a non infallible teachings, interpretation

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must favor what has been taught everywhere in by all

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fact that's from the probably Gonna Butcher, this Vicentinian cannon,

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and then consistent with the ordinary universal magisterium through time.

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So it must be both of those things, unless the

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earlier consistent teaching is definitively overturned by solemn dogmatic reversal,

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which we don't have so premise six. Therefore, Catholics are

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bound either to accept the long standingsistent teaching that Muslims

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do not worship the true God, or else face the

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crisis of magisterial coherence. Thus, even by their own principles,

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they should still accept.

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Speaker 1: That Muslims don't worship the same God.

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Speaker 4: And therefore, you know, your argument does apply.

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Speaker 1: To the thought exactly. Yeah, I mean, and that's why

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they wanted to say that the topic wasn't magisterium, when

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that's exactly what two of my dms said. It would

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be about, thank you so much, vain, what's up in?

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Speaker 5: And hey, what's up?

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Speaker 7: So if you wanted if you like scrub through the

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debate and like notice basically like you know, at a

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at like a high speed, notice like how animated in

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the movements are of you know, all four of you,

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Like in the corners, you'll see that Frank is like

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significantly like going by, like you know, he was disrespectful,

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like eating and like throwing his hands up, leaning back

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and forth like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I meant.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Trent, Yeah, just that and I just noticed that.

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Uh then, And also with the Superman analogy, this is

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the last thing I want to say, what is that? Uh.

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The other reason why it doesn't work is because whether

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or not Clark Kent or Superman or Kyle L can

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fly does not determine the per that who Kyle L

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or Clark Kent or Tuperman is as a person, because

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Superman can like lose that ability as he does and

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still retains who he is as a person. So that's

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not like a rigid designator. I don't know why they

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would say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember FDA even brought up that the term

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God is a flaccid designator and I repeated that to

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the same statement, and they were like.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: Guy was like, why not? What do you think what

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does it referred to? And I mean he seemed to

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just think that it was a sufficient reply to say, well,

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Mohammad is just saying that it's the same reference in

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the Bible. Okay, But if the Bible reference is the

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Trinity in the Old Testament, then