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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed
Speaker 2: your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over the tree.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, I'm
Speaker 2: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 2: the fence, and name was dead once you hit the ground.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my
Speaker 2: dog coming over the fence. Are you reporting we got
Speaker 2: some wonder or something crawling around out here? Did you
Speaker 2: see what it was? It was enough out here looking
Speaker 2: them do the one going now? And I don't need anything.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go outside. Just fight. Hello, hit
Speaker 2: the fuddy out here? What quin I'm out there? I
Speaker 2: thought of a bit just about taking foot nine. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Easy an out there? Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, all.
Speaker 3: Right, folks.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome our guest to the show. It
Speaker 1: is Mike from Florida. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Hey, how you doing brother?
Speaker 3: I am good. This has been a long time coming.
Speaker 1: We got to hang out doing the Okalla Bigfoot conference
Speaker 1: down in Florida. We are definitely going to get into
Speaker 1: some of your experiences in Florida. I always love it
Speaker 1: when I have people on the show and they say
Speaker 1: there's no way that there's any bigfoot in Florida. If
Speaker 1: you think that going into this episode, I guarantee you
Speaker 1: when you finish, you're not gonna think that anymore. So
Speaker 1: welcome to the show, man. I am so glad to
Speaker 1: have you here. Let's start where I start with everybody
Speaker 1: that comes on the show, What in the world got
Speaker 1: you interested in bigfoot sasquatch skunk ape.
Speaker 4: To begin with, thank you very much for having me
Speaker 4: part of the Mid Florida big Foot Research Group. I'll
Speaker 4: get into that little story on how that happened. That
Speaker 4: kind of came after I had already got into it
Speaker 4: a little bit myself, and I'll tell you before this,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say I was a disbeliever, but I
Speaker 4: had no reason to believe it one hundred percent up
Speaker 4: until my first encounter. So it was probably about eight
Speaker 4: to nine years ago, on my way to go fishing
Speaker 4: with my best friend Jason, and we were going down
Speaker 4: to Holla Sas of Florida. It's a very popular area
Speaker 4: for scalloping and fishing down there. I have another ramp
Speaker 4: that I use that takes you there's a really really
Speaker 4: public one, and there's one I use which takes you
Speaker 4: back down this road called Old Mason Creek, and it
Speaker 4: winds back in the middle of nowhere. About three miles
Speaker 4: down that road you go through a real thick area
Speaker 4: with a bunch of winding series of best curves like
Speaker 4: you can look from this curve and see down. Took
Speaker 4: the fourth curve as I'm coming around my buddy, he
Speaker 4: was looking at the window. I was looking for deer.
Speaker 4: This time of morning. It was about six thirty in
Speaker 4: the morning, but at that time of year, the sun
Speaker 4: was just starting to peek over the top of the trees.
Speaker 4: Coming down, I got about to that series of curves
Speaker 4: and to the left side of the road. It was
Speaker 4: up ahead, probably a good seventy five eighty yards about
Speaker 4: a third curve up. I saw a big look like
Speaker 4: a dude coming up from the side of the road.
Speaker 4: As I'm coming up close to the curve, he's coming
Speaker 4: up and he's already now, he's already onto the road,
Speaker 4: and he took another step and was like in the
Speaker 4: middle of the road, and right when he stepped in
Speaker 4: the middle of the road. The light from the trees
Speaker 4: coming to the sun was coming up from behind the
Speaker 4: trees behind it. It did it like a silhouette. It
Speaker 4: was the craziest thing. He went from dark shadow guy
Speaker 4: to cinnamon like he turned cinnamon, and as he walked
Speaker 4: more into it, it couldn't really see him. It lit
Speaker 4: him up for a minute and then he was gone,
Speaker 4: and then it was just like the hair follicles from
Speaker 4: behind it. The picture saw a shadow walking in front
Speaker 4: of light and that hair like moving. It was quick,
Speaker 4: but I'll never forget that silhouette of the hair he
Speaker 4: stepped in. I came around the curve and as I
Speaker 4: come back, they go back to where I could see
Speaker 4: where he was at. He was already gone. I stopped
Speaker 4: jumped out. My friend's like, what's going on. I'm like,
Speaker 4: you didn't see that? It's like see what I was like,
Speaker 4: you didn't see that thing that just walked in front
Speaker 4: of us. He's like, what thing? I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: I don't know what that was. But it was like cinnamon,
Speaker 4: reddish brown colored with hair, and it was every bit
Speaker 4: of seven foot tall. He's like, what do you think
Speaker 4: you saw? Bigfoot, and I'm like, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the heck I just saw, but it just walked right
Speaker 4: in front of my truck. How did you miss it?
Speaker 4: And we're not ready to get an argument over it.
Speaker 4: He's like making fun of me and everything. And I
Speaker 4: didn't realize at that moment how much that affected me.
Speaker 4: And that moment literally changed my entire life because I
Speaker 4: went home. At first, I walked around and looked. I
Speaker 4: didn't see any footprints. I didn't see anything. I wasn't
Speaker 4: really knowing what I was looking for back then. I
Speaker 4: was just in shock still what I just saw. My
Speaker 4: brain didn't want to process it. So we went did
Speaker 4: our fishing trip, and like the whole day, I was
Speaker 4: thinking about it, and I went home. From that moment forward,
Speaker 4: the thing I could go into and find out about bigfoot,
Speaker 4: I was doing it. And then I started going out.
Speaker 4: I wanted to prove to myself that I know what
Speaker 4: I saw, and I wasn't lose in my mind. I'm
Speaker 4: not a big hunter, but I'm very familiar with Florida.
Speaker 4: I grew up here forced generation in our woods or
Speaker 4: different type of woods. Are swamps are a little different.
Speaker 4: I know you've been out of them before. I've grown
Speaker 4: up in it, and I thought I had seen everything here.
Speaker 4: There was a c That's what really got me. You're
Speaker 4: leaping forward after that.
Speaker 1: It definitely does one of two things without fail. When
Speaker 1: people have an experience like that, especially a class a
Speaker 1: encounter where you actually get to see one of these things,
Speaker 1: it sends people in one of two directions. You either
Speaker 1: run screaming for the door, saying screw that, I don't
Speaker 1: want any part of that anymore. Once was enough, or
Speaker 1: you go down the rabbit hole. I've known you well
Speaker 1: enough to know that you definitely went down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole full board. Let's go back to the siding for
Speaker 1: a second before we move into some of your other
Speaker 1: research and into your experiences when that happened, when this
Speaker 1: thing stepped across the road, was it immediate for you
Speaker 1: that you knew what you were looking at? Did it
Speaker 1: take you a second to process? And how long after
Speaker 1: the encounter, because I know this was the big thing
Speaker 1: for me when I had my experiences last year. After
Speaker 1: that happened, I'm still frankly processing what I saw, and
Speaker 1: things will come to me in the middle of the
Speaker 1: day when I'm working on a podcast or something. I'll think,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I remember seeing this, and I didn't even
Speaker 1: remember it at the time when I had my encounter.
Speaker 3: How long did it take you to process.
Speaker 1: In the moment and after what you really saw, after
Speaker 1: you obviously got past the point of your friend making
Speaker 1: fun of you. Did that affect you as well in
Speaker 1: the moment to have someone was a friend of yours
Speaker 1: immediately respond that way when you had the experience, Wou'd say.
Speaker 4: In that moment, it definitely affected me for a while
Speaker 4: afterwards too, because I still have a friend of mine
Speaker 4: to this day that even though he knows that I've
Speaker 4: gone out and found very good evidence of things, we
Speaker 4: don't put anything out that's fessionable for a reason. Even
Speaker 4: though all this is there and he's seen all the
Speaker 4: stuff we've done in our popularity grow, he still thinks
Speaker 4: I'm a lunatic. Well, we're like I've done the guy
Speaker 4: thirty year. We literally has messed our friendship up a
Speaker 4: little bit over it. That is where it is. He
Speaker 4: sees his things his way and I see him my way.
Speaker 4: He's one of those that he only believes what he
Speaker 4: sees in front of him, and that's fine. He's entitled
Speaker 4: to his opinion. He's one of those people that he
Speaker 4: can't change unless Bigfoot walks up and grabs him out
Speaker 4: of his tent. When it first happened, it definitely took
Speaker 4: me a while to process. I didn't know what the
Speaker 4: hell I saw because at first my brain sets look
Speaker 4: at that guy walking up from the side of the
Speaker 4: road because he was solid shadow. The sun is just peeking,
Speaker 4: so it's still pretty dark. It had a perfect dark
Speaker 4: silhouette with him walking up, and as soon as he
Speaker 4: got up to the road, he hit that spot and
Speaker 4: it just was like bam. My whole brain did a hold.
Speaker 4: What how does something that big disappear that quick? I
Speaker 4: couldn't see his face if you pictured his son's back here,
Speaker 4: so all I got was his arm when he came
Speaker 4: out hit the light and it turned him that centiment color.
Speaker 4: But when I hit the shadow, it was like silhouette again,
Speaker 4: so I don't have a lot of detail.
Speaker 1: So you definitely went down the rabbit hole. You started
Speaker 1: going into the documentaries doing the armchair research stuff. When
Speaker 1: did you make the determination that I want to be
Speaker 1: the boots on the ground. I want to go out
Speaker 1: and look for evidence of these things. Talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that process and obviously go into your encounters
Speaker 1: once you started going out and doing your research.
Speaker 4: I grew up in an area in what's the Chapel
Speaker 4: Pasco County, Florida, a rural area back there, and there's
Speaker 4: a game preserved back there that is a ninety eight
Speaker 4: hundred acres basically ten thousand acres, and there's a creek
Speaker 4: that starts back there, and that creek runs right through
Speaker 4: the middle of it down through Hillsborough County. It runs
Speaker 4: into Tampa, but that creek directly runs into Hillsboro River,
Speaker 4: which goes over to Polk County and the Green Swamp
Speaker 4: and that whole area. That's real big hot spot, which
Speaker 4: I didn't know any of this back then. As a kid,
Speaker 4: I used to go out and that the well field,
Speaker 4: just like fish in the cree. I mean, a couple
Speaker 4: buddies would always go out there and go hiking and
Speaker 4: running around. Of being kids teenagers out there running around
Speaker 4: in the woods and stuff. I always got creeped out
Speaker 4: when I was buy myself out there. After that incident happened,
Speaker 4: I'm like, that is the perfect place for one of
Speaker 4: these things to be. If something's gonna be out there.
Speaker 4: That's where one could be because the preserve is almost
Speaker 4: ten thousand acres, which in Florida, that's a big area
Speaker 4: the way Florida's building up, so happens to be that
Speaker 4: dis preserved is dead smack in the middle of the corridor,
Speaker 4: which I didn't know back then either. The first time
Speaker 4: I ever went out by myself was my second encounter.
Speaker 4: The area is you got to get back there, drive
Speaker 4: to the gate and then there's one paved road that's
Speaker 4: one lane that swift Mud uses to go back and
Speaker 4: check on their pumps and stuff. And then other than
Speaker 4: that this there's nothing back there, no motors, no hunting, nothing.
Speaker 4: You got to take your bike and ride a bike
Speaker 4: back there about two and a half miles, three miles
Speaker 4: back to the creek, and then it's another mile back
Speaker 4: through trails to get to where I wanted to go.
Speaker 4: So I went in there. My bike was making too
Speaker 4: much noise. You remember, back then, I'm thinking, I gotta
Speaker 4: go full camo fool everything I think outside the box
Speaker 4: about stuff. Sometimes I thought, go in the middle of
Speaker 4: the day. If these things are supposed to be nocturnal,
Speaker 4: just like a deer, you sneak up on deer easier
Speaker 4: the middle of day when they're bedded down. I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: I'll go out there in the middle of the day.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sneak up on these things. I'm full camo.
Speaker 4: I get out there, I walk the rest of the way,
Speaker 4: and I get to the trail that I wanted to go,
Speaker 4: which is part of the creek goes right into it.
Speaker 4: I went to the thickest part of the cypress everything
Speaker 4: I could find, and that's where I wanted to go.
Speaker 4: And I go in there, and I follow this little
Speaker 4: trail that goes back to the four wheel trail, and
Speaker 4: I found a little tiny road that went to the right,
Speaker 4: and I start walking it, and I found these two
Speaker 4: little bare footprints, one in front of another, and I
Speaker 4: was like, what the hell are kids doing back here? Barefoot?
Speaker 4: Way back here? This is how I thought. And then
Speaker 4: ahead of me was a tree that was crossing the
Speaker 4: path this way, and another tree that was crossing the
Speaker 4: path this way, right in front of where those little
Speaker 4: footprints were. About halfway down the trail, I got to
Speaker 4: that tree, those two trees, and everything in my gut
Speaker 4: that tells you not to do something went off and
Speaker 4: do not cross that tree. These are putty or for
Speaker 4: a reason, you're not supposed to go over there. I'm
Speaker 4: gung ho. I've been in Florida my whole life. That
Speaker 4: scares me out there. I stepped over to the other one.
Speaker 4: Took about three steps time. I found a footprint that
Speaker 4: was probably about fifteen inches long. And I was sitting
Speaker 4: there looking at that footprint. Oh my god, this is real.
Speaker 4: And about the time I'm looking at that, have you
Speaker 4: ever heard anything fall into pal meadows? How loud it is?
Speaker 4: That loud crash? Well, this is middle of the day
Speaker 4: in June or July somewhere around there, summer, no wind blowing,
Speaker 4: no nothing, and it's dead, still hot. I looking at
Speaker 4: that footprint heard just fun it to me. It sounded
Speaker 4: like something used a tree to get up, it broke
Speaker 4: and fell into the palmitdes and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: it was loud. And then this gurgle started. If you've
Speaker 4: heard a big male alligator is the closest thing I
Speaker 4: could get to what it was close to. It was
Speaker 4: deeper than a big male alligator's bellow. And it kept
Speaker 4: going and I was like feeling what it was doing.
Speaker 4: I literally didn't want to look it was. It couldn't
Speaker 4: have been more than twenty or thirty yards away from me.
Speaker 4: It wasn't far. It was right there, and I didn't
Speaker 4: want to look at it. I turned and I'm going
Speaker 4: to talk to it. I said, I'm leaving. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm leaving. I am scared shitless, Brian, and I've never
Speaker 4: felt the fear that I fell to that moment as
Speaker 4: a grown man. Terrified, dude, I can't run because that's
Speaker 4: a predator. Probably, I don't know what that is right there.
Speaker 4: I get up to the road. Now, now I got
Speaker 4: to walk a half a mile out after this happened,
Speaker 4: I turned left to get on the main trail. I
Speaker 4: start walking, so it was over here. I take a step.
Speaker 4: It takes a step, and I hear another step. I
Speaker 4: would take a step. They took steps. Every time I stopped,
Speaker 4: it stopped. Oh my god, it's following me. I got
Speaker 4: tears watering up in my eyeballs. As a full grown man,
Speaker 4: I'm not coming out of here. I'm gonna die back here.
Speaker 4: If I pissed this thing off, it's gonna kill me.
Speaker 4: I started walking. I keep going and I heard something.
Speaker 4: It was sticks, they were freaking throwing sticks at me.
Speaker 4: They were throwing them, and they were hitting the trees,
Speaker 4: and one of them laying on the tree on in
Speaker 4: front of me. I'm still got my butt fucker walk
Speaker 4: going and I keep on going, and I swear I
Speaker 4: saw something to my peripheral go by, and I'm thinking
Speaker 4: that's it. He's going up. He's flanking me. He go
Speaker 4: ahead of me. I'm done. I made it to my bike,
Speaker 4: got on it started peeling out of there. Nothing ever happened.
Speaker 4: I got out to the main little paved road, peddled
Speaker 4: my butt off. I got back to my truck. Right
Speaker 4: when I get off my bike, I threw up and
Speaker 4: then my head started pounding so bad. For four days,
Speaker 4: my ears felt like they were swollen. I got zapped.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know what it was, but I think
Speaker 4: one hundred percent got zapped.
Speaker 1: It's interesting you were saying that you got sick as
Speaker 1: you got back to your truck. The first thing I
Speaker 1: was thinking, was it an adrenaline dump. You started talking
Speaker 1: about the ear thing and then the feeling of possibly
Speaker 1: getting hit with infrasound. It's interesting because I I have
Speaker 1: interviewed quite a few people that have felt like they
Speaker 1: have been hit with infrasound zapped as you said it,
Speaker 1: the reaction seems to be the same with everybody. Is
Speaker 1: this overwhelming fear and then it's either something going on
Speaker 1: with the insides, the ears and the nausea in retrospect,
Speaker 1: I think you already answered the question, but do you think,
Speaker 1: looking back now, that's what it was. Do you think
Speaker 1: this thing might have hit you or multiple things might
Speaker 1: have hit you with infrasound and that's why you had
Speaker 1: this reaction? And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: I definitely do so important to say. I've had two
Speaker 4: bad experiences, and the two bad experiences I had were
Speaker 4: my fault. And I didn't know that then, but I
Speaker 4: know that now, and those two experiences changed the way
Speaker 4: I did the research, the way I did everything from
Speaker 4: now going forward. Ever, I really haven't been too much
Speaker 4: in the woods by myself since these things happen. You
Speaker 4: know that one's scared me. That freaked me out a
Speaker 4: little bit, but I still couldn't stop, Like now, I
Speaker 4: really had to know what the hell that was. Because
Speaker 4: I knew what it was, I knew I had gone
Speaker 4: out to do what I wanted to do and I
Speaker 4: found it. I'm not crazy. I know I'm not crazy. Now,
Speaker 4: I went back to that same spot with my buddy
Speaker 4: one time, with two of my buddies. We found some footprints,
Speaker 4: we found some brave We got yelled at by something
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night, which was terrifying, and
Speaker 4: that was the last time I really did much out
Speaker 4: there because it's so hard to get back in there.
Speaker 4: It's patrolled at night by an arm guard. Didn't know
Speaker 4: that until that night, and we were politely asked to
Speaker 4: not go back there anymore. Why is that area patrolled
Speaker 4: by an arm guard at night? Who works for the government? Weird?
Speaker 4: I've been back there a few times, I can tell
Speaker 4: you out of all the places I've been. David Sidodi
Speaker 4: and ISRT guys, they're the first people I ever really
Speaker 4: went out with. I took them back there to that spot.
Speaker 4: Now was the first time I met that group, and
Speaker 4: we did some really good pictures. So David thinks I
Speaker 4: was the first person to ever find an inverted tree
Speaker 4: in Florida, an inverted cypress tree. It was like about
Speaker 4: a fifth foot long cypress tree with the root ball
Speaker 4: sticking up in the air, and it was right off
Speaker 4: the main trail that took you back to where that
Speaker 4: encounter happened.
Speaker 1: That's another thing that fascinates me, man, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about that. I want to
Speaker 1: get to all your experiences, but I want to talk
Speaker 1: about some of the things that you're finding down there,
Speaker 1: because that kind of stuff fascinates me. Because I have
Speaker 1: found a rather large tree. I'm pretty sure I put
Speaker 1: the picture in my first book. If I didn't, I
Speaker 1: know I've at least posted it online. It was a
Speaker 1: large pine tree, probably twenty to thirty feet long, with
Speaker 1: the root ball end of it stuck into a hole
Speaker 1: in the side of a bank. Oh wow, right here
Speaker 1: on our property, just randomly. I discovered it on a hike.
Speaker 1: And I've seen weird things like that in other places,
Speaker 1: some weird tree stuff up in Radium when I was
Speaker 1: there a couple of years ago. Before we get into
Speaker 1: some of the other experiences, while we're talking about that
Speaker 1: really quickly, are you guys finding a lot of what
Speaker 1: people would call tree breaks or tree structures or lean
Speaker 1: to TP kind of structures down there? Are you finding
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff it's weird.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a cut off point in our area.
Speaker 4: Our main research areas in central mid central Florida, Pasco County,
Speaker 4: Hernando County, everything basically from Mayaka north. We find tree
Speaker 4: structures all the time. We find very unique ones. Marie's
Speaker 4: really good at finding the glyphs and different things. I
Speaker 4: didn't even realize before I was with the group I
Speaker 4: would find these things. I didn't really think too much
Speaker 4: of them back in the day. There's so much that
Speaker 4: I wish I would have known back then. Brian. They
Speaker 4: would blow your mind, like the amount of footprints I found,
Speaker 4: and I didn't realize how rare it was to find
Speaker 4: these things. I found some really unique tree deals in
Speaker 4: our main research area. One of the first things I
Speaker 4: found in there, there was a tree like this, a
Speaker 4: tree like this, and another one that didn't even come
Speaker 4: from there that was braided in the middle of it.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't from that. It was like it was
Speaker 4: brought over and there was only one that was in
Speaker 4: the ground and like the other one has been pushed over,
Speaker 4: and the other one was brought over and it was
Speaker 4: like braided in between it at the top of that
Speaker 4: and this is going right above a game trip but
Speaker 4: there was only two active trails to get into that spot,
Speaker 4: and right on one of the main game trails, that
Speaker 4: braided tree goes up and it goes up probably about
Speaker 4: twenty five foot up at an angle like that, and
Speaker 4: at the top of it there was palmetto fronds, pieces
Speaker 4: of oak tree, all different types of trees up there.
Speaker 4: It looks like a blind almost like a hunt and blind.
Speaker 4: It was perfect. If someone's sitting up there, could jump
Speaker 4: down onto a deer or something below really easyly. The
Speaker 4: coolest thing I ever found, though, was a trip wire.
Speaker 4: I found a trip wire if you want to look
Speaker 4: about these things being intelligent. Kind of jumping ahead a
Speaker 4: little bit. But the area that I'm talking about is
Speaker 4: an area that I've been going into for almost four
Speaker 4: years now. I know it's a family group in there,
Speaker 4: and we've interacted a lot with it. A lot of
Speaker 4: amazing things that happened back there, about thirty yards from
Speaker 4: that braided tree off that road. What it is, you
Speaker 4: got a fence line back there. You got to walk
Speaker 4: down the side or walk down the side to get
Speaker 4: to the very back of it. It's owned by the county,
Speaker 4: so there's not not just a piece of property is there,
Speaker 4: but it goes directly into the preserve, the same preserve
Speaker 4: that I had my other encounter happen. It's the same preserve,
Speaker 4: just on the other side of them. It's all still
Speaker 4: part of the same preserve, all where all this happened.
Speaker 4: Walking down that trail, if you were going to set
Speaker 4: up a tripwire, if your trail's going like this, and
Speaker 4: you got a trail going like this, if you're standing
Speaker 4: right here and something's running a deer down their way
Speaker 4: right here is about a perfect place to put you
Speaker 4: a tripwire. There was a tripwire about thirty feet across
Speaker 4: a vine about three quarters of an inch and it
Speaker 4: was two and a half of it off the ground,
Speaker 4: perfect deer height where a deer would run into it
Speaker 4: if it was being flanked into it or running into it.
Speaker 4: The vine was perfect like it was like you did
Speaker 4: it with a level. It was went around one tree
Speaker 4: around another tree, and it had a stick in the
Speaker 4: middle and the stick twisted and held against the tree
Speaker 4: to keep the tension on it. And it was like
Speaker 4: and you couldn't see it. It was a vine. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is a trip wire right around the corner from
Speaker 4: there the same spot, there's that trie you turn and
Speaker 4: go this way to get out, and it's like a
Speaker 4: freaking obstacle course, trees leaning up against the fence. Everything's
Speaker 4: all kind of weird, And I used to think it
Speaker 4: was for me, for other people to keep humans out. No,
Speaker 4: that's the slowdown animals man, so they can hunt. It
Speaker 4: makes sense. Your damn things are smart, dude.
Speaker 1: I've definitely heard of not a trip wire, but I've
Speaker 1: definitely heard of other obstacles and things that people thought.
Speaker 1: These things were putting up in perfect choke points in
Speaker 1: an area where they would take down deer or other
Speaker 1: big game that they might be chasing. So you may
Speaker 1: be onto something there. All right, let's get back to
Speaker 1: the experiences. Let's talk about that other experience that you
Speaker 1: were teasing us about where you didn't have a great
Speaker 1: interaction with these things.
Speaker 4: So my son goes with me and does a lot.
Speaker 4: I've taken him on quite a few trips. We've had
Speaker 4: some cool things together. We had gone fishing the day
Speaker 4: before this happened. Had a weird experience happened that day.
Speaker 4: We were fishing part of the creek. It's also part
Speaker 4: of the same creek, but this is a whole different
Speaker 4: area of that creek down in a whole other county,
Speaker 4: very very remote and hard to get into. But we're
Speaker 4: back there fishing, and told them I want to taking
Speaker 4: fishing on one who little squashed at the same time.
Speaker 4: We're back there. If you've heard bard owls before, everybody's
Speaker 4: heard bared owls. Well, we're sitting there. The creek runs
Speaker 4: like a Z and there's a bush right here. You
Speaker 4: can't see past back behind it, so you we're fishing
Speaker 4: right here, you can't see until you get around that bush.
Speaker 4: You can see back where it goes and makes an
Speaker 4: X kind of curve. So we're sitting there fishing. What
Speaker 4: the hell's going on? It sounded like twenty different owls
Speaker 4: all in one group going on, but it didn't quite
Speaker 4: sound like owls. They created me out a little bit,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you know what, it was the first
Speaker 4: experience I'd have with him with me. We're sitting there.
Speaker 4: A couple minutes later, he starts dead. I see something
Speaker 4: and I'm like, quit messing with me, Kale, and don't
Speaker 4: mess with me, because there he is a get haling dude.
Speaker 4: And I do a theory started crying. Man, you started crying.
Speaker 4: He got really upset, and I'm like, what did you see?
Speaker 4: He's like, it was looking at me. It's there and
Speaker 4: they're looking at me behind the tree. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: all right, we're gonna go. We're gonna leave now, because
Speaker 4: you know, I'm still learning this whole thing. So I
Speaker 4: take him back later that night. I'm like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 4: I was like, would you mind drawing draw a picture
Speaker 4: of what you saw? He drew this little illustration was perfect,
Speaker 4: with this little peeking out looking at him. He said,
Speaker 4: it looking like a big guy. And he saw about
Speaker 4: two feet of it stick out and go back. He said,
Speaker 4: then it went back again and went back. So now
Speaker 4: I've got it in my mind. I'm going there the
Speaker 4: next day. From where I had to get into there,
Speaker 4: there's a creek that runs through, so the only way
Speaker 4: to get to it you can't cross the creek. We
Speaker 4: got ten twelve foot gaters in there, so I had
Speaker 4: to go all the way around. It's about four miles
Speaker 4: by the time I get all the way around back
Speaker 4: to where this is at. Well, I took my dog
Speaker 4: with me, Miiley, just me and her. I get back
Speaker 4: into that spot and now I know I'm close to
Speaker 4: where all those sounds were coming from. I found a
Speaker 4: footprint right in the middle of this little it was
Speaker 4: like a beach sandy little trail going in. I found
Speaker 4: one print. I found another print. How did you get
Speaker 4: the measure them? But i'll around thirteen or fourteen, But
Speaker 4: they were fat and wide. If they had a funny
Speaker 4: shape to them, they weren't a normal shape. I took
Speaker 4: some pictures of them. I don't know why, but I
Speaker 4: just wanted to go onto the trail. My dog was stiff,
Speaker 4: and that's what it was, and I just followed her
Speaker 4: nose and there was a game trail going into the woods,
Speaker 4: and I followed that back in, and I knew that
Speaker 4: actually went directly back into where the creek was. If
Speaker 4: we were standing and looking at the other side of
Speaker 4: the creek had been in that area. So we go
Speaker 4: on there it was, and we got back to it
Speaker 4: and I found a clump of trees. There was three
Speaker 4: palm trees, and those three palm trees were leaning like
Speaker 4: this about the saying. On the right side of the
Speaker 4: palm tree was a piece of wood, a tree that
Speaker 4: was completely skinned, no bark on it, and it was
Speaker 4: supporting the side of that like this underneath it. Over
Speaker 4: here it was dug out under the roof. Ball palm
Speaker 4: trees don't just flip over. It didn't happen too easy.
Speaker 4: There were none other trees knocked over, nothing but these
Speaker 4: three trees. And I pictures, but these three trees were
Speaker 4: leaned over like this. Underneath it was dug out, and
Speaker 4: it looked like a silhouett of a big body had
Speaker 4: been in there, almost see the dips where it had
Speaker 4: been sitting. And my dog went off in there, just
Speaker 4: found smelling around. And I'm a horrible photographer, horrible videographer,
Speaker 4: whoever you want to say. I'm bad because I'm adhd.
Speaker 4: But it makes me good at bigfooting because I'm all
Speaker 4: over the place. So I didn't realize it at the time,
Speaker 4: but i'm recording, I'm like, oh my god, I excited
Speaker 4: them all over the place. I caught something on film.
Speaker 4: I went back. I had my buddy Tim slowed down
Speaker 4: the film. Mike, I see something on your film. I
Speaker 4: go back and look at this picture, and there's not
Speaker 4: standing in beside this tree that I didn't know it
Speaker 4: was right inside of me and my dog. I slowed
Speaker 4: down even more and I got a profile this thing
Speaker 4: sitting like this, looking away like he was going back
Speaker 4: behind the tree. We estimated a size comparison when Stacey
Speaker 4: Brown came with me him this camera guy one time
Speaker 4: back there, Brian, his camera guy was six two, speaking
Speaker 4: him up to his belly right the exact spot where
Speaker 4: it was at. This thing was nine foot tall, which
Speaker 4: goes directly into that same day, before I had that
Speaker 4: the pictures, me and my dog had left that spot
Speaker 4: and walk back out to the main trail. I wanted
Speaker 4: to follow farther back in there, I found a nineteen
Speaker 4: inch footprint. I didn't get the measurement on how much
Speaker 4: ahead of it was, but there was another footprint, and
Speaker 4: I have pictures of them. They were nineteen inches by
Speaker 4: ten inches wide. I could look like the back had
Speaker 4: pushed his weight off of stepped down. The whole heel
Speaker 4: went about two inches thick of mud that popped up.
Speaker 4: It was pretty wet and back there had been raining recently.
Speaker 4: And next one you could see wasn't all grass and
Speaker 4: it was just a perfect silhouette of a footprint. Right
Speaker 4: then and there, the radar went off again, just like
Speaker 4: it did when I was in those trees. U huh,
Speaker 4: I ain't doing that shit again. I got goosebumps right
Speaker 4: now thinking about it. My brain said, nope, you're not
Speaker 4: doing it. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna get my pictures.
Speaker 4: This is amazing. Those footprints are aiming that way and
Speaker 4: something's over there. I'm not going there by myself. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna come back with my friend. Well, I'm getting my
Speaker 4: pictures and everything. My dog she locks up and she's
Speaker 4: just staring at the woodline. Picture if you will. The
Speaker 4: woodline from the trail is about twenty five thirty yards,
Speaker 4: but you can't see into it because it's probably ten
Speaker 4: foot tall twelve foot tall of thick bush. You know
Speaker 4: how Florida gets real dens in areas. So I couldn't
Speaker 4: see into it. Out on top of it, I could
Speaker 4: see three or four trees that were coming up. She says.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 4: She starts doing this low growl, and she growls, and
Speaker 4: then I swear to god, one the trees went and moved,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, what was that? And then I heard this.
Speaker 4: To me, it sounded like a stomp because boom, like
Speaker 4: it's something stomped the ground. Boom and that tree went
Speaker 4: and then third or fourth time, all the way over
Speaker 4: went down. This thing let out a sound between a
Speaker 4: yell scream growl type of sound. She turned and almost
Speaker 4: broke her leash trying to get away. She turned and
Speaker 4: didn't want no part of the same thing. Yell, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm leaving. I'm sorry. I called my best friend, the
Speaker 4: only person, one of my friends, the only one who
Speaker 4: knew where I was at because I was way back
Speaker 4: in here. Nobody's gonna find my body, is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: This damn thanks pushing the trainer's pot tall. I am
Speaker 4: not ready for this. I just found bootprints this big
Speaker 4: and now this thing is shaking a damn tree again,
Speaker 4: right in the middle of the day. It happened again,
Speaker 4: same way. I called him and I'm like, hey man,
Speaker 4: he's what's wrong. I'm like, just listen, shut up and listen.
Speaker 4: Remember I told you where I was going on the map,
Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, I went back there. Something's
Speaker 4: back there, just pushed the tree over. I don't know
Speaker 4: what to do. I said, if I don't come back
Speaker 4: at twenty minutes, you don't hear from me, send the
Speaker 4: police to my location. He's like, you're really scared. I'm like, hey, yes,
Speaker 4: I'm scared. So I made it back to my truck
Speaker 4: and there's two officers sitting there at my truck because
Speaker 4: I had parked across the street from a fancy neighborhood
Speaker 4: and walked into a power line run to go back in.
Speaker 4: They thought I was hunting back there. So now I
Speaker 4: go up to these officers. I gotta go freaking sea officers.
Speaker 4: Now my eyeballs are like this, I am terrified. I
Speaker 4: probably look like I am on something meth And they're like,
Speaker 4: what are you doing back there? I'm like nothing, I'm
Speaker 4: just walking my dog. I look at a crackhead. So
Speaker 4: I ended up talking to him and they're like, what
Speaker 4: are you really doing back there? I told him, I'm
Speaker 4: to be honest with you. I was looking for a
Speaker 4: big I've had some stuff happen. Now I want to
Speaker 4: go back and research in this area. I want to
Speaker 4: do nothing more. Nat He goes, that has to be
Speaker 4: an on storage, and nobody would tell me that. Do
Speaker 4: you know how the people are here? I said, I
Speaker 4: get it. It's like they think you're hunting data, worried
Speaker 4: about their house, this and that. He goes, try and
Speaker 4: find another way go into where you're going. I don't
Speaker 4: think you're doing nothing wrong. We'll have a good day.
Speaker 4: That was encounter number two.
Speaker 1: Every good Bigfoot encounter ends with a run in with
Speaker 1: the cops. How can you make that shit up? It
Speaker 1: had to be a true story, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. It's gonna be honest with you. I was
Speaker 4: looking for Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: He's like, what Honesty is definitely the best policy. Keep going, man,
Speaker 1: I know you've had other experiences. Why you've been out
Speaker 1: with the groups. What are some of the other experiences
Speaker 1: that you've had that have stuck out with you during
Speaker 1: your research?
Speaker 4: After those two experience, Leslie's getting the crap out of me, man,
Speaker 4: I was really timid to go by myself. I still
Speaker 4: am sometimes, and I know I'll have more happen if
Speaker 4: I'm by myself.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after the ease messages.
Speaker 4: I know it's going to happen. All the craziest things
Speaker 4: that have happened. I've seen some of these things before,
Speaker 4: Brian right in front of my camera in these areas,
Speaker 4: and it's only for a second, you know, And none
Speaker 4: of it's really treadible. Maybe you got something in the
Speaker 4: video that goes like this from a tree and that's it.
Speaker 4: I saw it. It was right there. It did it.
Speaker 4: I know what happened. I had one time, I know
Speaker 4: there was three. One peaked up, another one peeked up,
Speaker 4: and then I peeked out this way from the tree.
Speaker 4: They were right there, all together, a girl, little group,
Speaker 4: and then they were gone. And the more I went
Speaker 4: in these areas, it was like the more they made
Speaker 4: direct sounds, well, I'm not going to say that they
Speaker 4: wanted to come out and hang out with me, but
Speaker 4: they definitely were tolerating me. And then I started taking
Speaker 4: my son in there to more and with me, and
Speaker 4: that's when things when I got crazy, like especially with vocalizations.
Speaker 4: I learned a lot from these areas. I don't know
Speaker 4: what it's like around you guys, but here's what I've
Speaker 4: learned as far as when you come into a new area,
Speaker 4: you go into a brand new area, one of the
Speaker 4: first things that happens where they're at is you hear
Speaker 4: a set of bargells go off right when you get
Speaker 4: in the area. Then back a ways back you'll hear
Speaker 4: and over here you'll hear it's usually like twice. You
Speaker 4: hear it middle of the day, no matter when you go,
Speaker 4: you hear those bardows go off and then dead silent,
Speaker 4: And when it gets to dead silent mode, they're there.
Speaker 4: You know they're there and they're following you. I swear
Speaker 4: that's what it is. It goes that dead silent mode
Speaker 4: you don't even hear mosquitoes buzzing, and it's like they're there.
Speaker 4: But there's some areas where like where I had the
Speaker 4: first encounter, a bad one. I've been in there before,
Speaker 4: and whatever's in there, I think he's a gigantic alpha
Speaker 4: male and he's got a presence about him, and he
Speaker 4: doesn't like people. I don't think he wants you around there,
Speaker 4: and he lets you know it, he makes you feel it.
Speaker 4: But this family group, it was like, because I was
Speaker 4: in there with my son and being nowhere in there
Speaker 4: like I used to be, I started mimicking the sounds
Speaker 4: that I heard when I would go in, and I
Speaker 4: would basically let him know it was me. So first
Speaker 4: time I walk in, I started hearing just it, nothing
Speaker 4: more than that. And then you hear another like different
Speaker 4: tones of not big loud howls, just little hoots, like
Speaker 4: they're just communicating with these little tiny hoots, letting each
Speaker 4: other know where you're at. So I walk in now
Speaker 4: every time I come in and I wait a lot
Speaker 4: of times i'll hear way back out in the woods
Speaker 4: or in the swamp or something out here. But that's
Speaker 4: me letting them know, Hey, I'm in, I'm here at
Speaker 4: your house. I'm coming in. I'm not coming uninvited. When
Speaker 4: we went to Walhington State, I learned that from Thomas Seawood.
Speaker 4: He's the one that told me that. I learned so
Speaker 4: much from that guy. Man, he was so awesome. He's like,
Speaker 4: you're going into their house. How would you feel someone
Speaker 4: came into your back door and just walked in? And
Speaker 4: it made so much sense. I'm like, that's why they
Speaker 4: scared me and ran me off. They did their job,
Speaker 4: but they didn't hurt me. If they wanted to, they
Speaker 4: could have taken me out. They didn't. I got warned
Speaker 4: and I learned my lesson. The weird part now is,
Speaker 4: ever since I've been zapped, I swear to God, I
Speaker 4: don't know what it is, but I am so sensitive
Speaker 4: to these things, especially in the woods when i'm in there,
Speaker 4: my ears start getting almost like when you have your
Speaker 4: finger in your ear, that pressure feeling. When I'm around them,
Speaker 4: whatever that energy is, I pick up on it now
Speaker 4: and I couldn't do that before, but now I can,
Speaker 4: and it's strangely accurate. It's crazy how accurate it is.
Speaker 4: I've been out there with friends and had thermals on
Speaker 4: and picked up heat signatures from where I said there's
Speaker 4: something at I don't have an explanation for it. It's
Speaker 4: just like that now. It's like they did something to me.
Speaker 4: When it hit me, I'm so sensitive to it, and
Speaker 4: we joke around. It's like a beacon going off. I'm
Speaker 4: being pooled to where they're at, and it's always effective.
Speaker 4: We always find stuff whenever I do that.
Speaker 1: That leads me into another question for you that I
Speaker 1: like to ask pretty much everybody who actually goes out
Speaker 1: in the woods and has experiences with these things or
Speaker 1: seeks an experience with them, is how do you deal
Speaker 1: with some of these stranger things. I think Marie and
Speaker 1: I have had these conversations a couple of times with
Speaker 1: some of the odd things that have happened in the
Speaker 1: woods to her and some of you and your group
Speaker 1: orbs and other things that you've experienced. I guess the
Speaker 1: question for you is have you experienced some of this
Speaker 1: weird stuff that would be considered wo or high strangeness
Speaker 1: and how do you approach that in your research and
Speaker 1: how you look at the subject and look into the subject.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm glad you asked that because I don't
Speaker 4: always talk about that stuff, just because I believe the
Speaker 4: physical part more than anything, but I can't deny the
Speaker 4: wu part that's happened, the fact that we have psychic
Speaker 4: friends that have told me things are going to happen.
Speaker 4: I believe our friend Phyllis. She's one of the first
Speaker 4: people she walked up to me. I met her at
Speaker 4: one of the converts. I never knew who this woman was.
Speaker 4: She just walked up to me. She said, I have
Speaker 4: a gift I have to give you. It's going to
Speaker 4: help you with your dreams. And I looked at her
Speaker 4: and cross eye. She's like, they're going to help you
Speaker 4: with your dreams. It'll help you understand them. What how
Speaker 4: does this woman know I was having dreams like I
Speaker 4: started getting these random dreams, like they were the most
Speaker 4: vivid dreams you've ever had so vivid. They led me
Speaker 4: to Google Earth, where I found these spots that I
Speaker 4: can't in at and these spot where I found this
Speaker 4: group that I've had all this interaction with. How is
Speaker 4: that even possible? But it happened. It's like I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to meet that group to learn from. I can tell
Speaker 4: you it's something that they helped me. And I don't
Speaker 4: have an answer for it, Brian, but they helped me.
Speaker 4: I was depressed. I was severely depressed for a while.
Speaker 4: Me and my son mom separated. I was going through
Speaker 4: a really really bad time and one of my dreams
Speaker 4: they said, come here will make you feel better. I
Speaker 4: remember going there raining a little bit. It was grizzily out.
Speaker 4: I went out there and just sat down on this log.
Speaker 4: I didn't even want to be around anyone that knew nothing, man.
Speaker 4: I was just completely down. And I'm sitting on that
Speaker 4: log and this sound came through the trees and it
Speaker 4: was like a sound I never heard before, and it
Speaker 4: carried and it like went through me, and a couple
Speaker 4: of seconds later, another sound from farther over this way,
Speaker 4: the same sound but deeper, came back and it went
Speaker 4: through me. I stopped feeling sad. I started feeling happy.
Speaker 4: It was like I was being part of something that
Speaker 4: was so cool. I don't even know how to explain it.
Speaker 4: And they only did it that those two times, but
Speaker 4: I could hear things moving around, I could hear things
Speaker 4: going on. I don't know, man, it was almost like
Speaker 4: they accepted me to be there and helped me at
Speaker 4: the same time. And I have no idea how they
Speaker 4: did it. So that's my womb part.
Speaker 1: That's definitely out there. But to me, those kind of
Speaker 1: things aren't outside the realm of possibility. If that is
Speaker 1: your experience with these things, and that's not the only
Speaker 1: one of those kinds of experiences that I have.
Speaker 3: Heard people talk about before.
Speaker 1: I've had my own weird experiences with them, and I
Speaker 1: am open to just about anything when it comes to
Speaker 1: these creatures, because there are so many different types of
Speaker 1: experiences that people have. I think it has to do
Speaker 1: with personality. I think it has to do with what
Speaker 1: you're there for.
Speaker 3: In a way.
Speaker 1: I've said this before, there are people out there who
Speaker 1: say things like these creatures choose who they show themselves to.
Speaker 1: I think that's a bridge too far from me. But
Speaker 1: I do think very much like other animals. Dogs, for example,
Speaker 1: I always go to dogs because I'm a huge dog lover.
Speaker 1: Dogs are intuitive in ways that people aren't. They pick
Speaker 1: up on people's energies, they act differently. I've said it
Speaker 1: to people I know other people that are dog owners.
Speaker 1: You've probably said it to people. If my dog doesn't
Speaker 1: like you, I'm probably not going to like you. Because
Speaker 1: there's a reason, right, there's something to that. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the science behind it is, but there is
Speaker 1: something that they're able to pick up on. And that's
Speaker 1: why I look at these creatures very similarly to dogs,
Speaker 1: for example. Not that by any stretch of my saying, sasquatch, bigfoot, skunk, ape,
Speaker 1: any of these things are domesticated, So please don't send
Speaker 1: me emails saying I'll compare them to a domesticated animal.
Speaker 4: They know your intent the moment you walk into the woods.
Speaker 4: They know if you're good or bad. They know if
Speaker 4: you're a good person or a bad person. They pick
Speaker 4: up when you're positive or negative energy. I strongly believe
Speaker 4: that one percent. Here's something that's really ironic as well. Well,
Speaker 4: you know who else is really good at that? People
Speaker 4: on the spectrum. I'm adhd my son Adhd and has
Speaker 4: selected mutism that he's came out of, but he's on
Speaker 4: that spectrum. Daniel Barnett. A lot of people I know
Speaker 4: that have had experiences are high energy, ADHD, autistic or
Speaker 4: something on that spectrum. People that have they pick up
Speaker 4: on good and bad energies themselves. I can tell you
Speaker 4: who the bad guy is in a movie instantly. I
Speaker 4: can tell you if you're good or bad when I'm
Speaker 4: around you for a few minutes. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I pick up on it too, and I swear that
Speaker 4: is another thing we're able to communicate with them. If
Speaker 4: you're on that level, I think your brain is just
Speaker 4: wired a little different. I do things that aren't always
Speaker 4: right and it works for me, and I feel like
Speaker 4: if you're on that level, maybe that's why. And it
Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense. A lot of people on
Speaker 4: that spectrum have interactions with these things.
Speaker 1: It happened to us last summer when we had our
Speaker 1: experiences out in Washington State. Ryan RPG Goldinbski said, after
Speaker 1: those experiences have happened, he felt like it was because
Speaker 1: of the team.
Speaker 3: The people that were assembled there. It was a special
Speaker 3: group of people for.
Speaker 1: Us individually and collectively, it was a special group where
Speaker 1: we're doing something that we felt was special. We were
Speaker 1: filming this documentary for Daniel. You mentioned Daniel Barnett. We're
Speaker 1: filming My Bigfoot Life documentary, which is ironically not.
Speaker 3: Really about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: It's more about his journey and autism and being on
Speaker 1: the spectrum and his looking for this creature and finding
Speaker 1: a family. Is the story behind My Bigfoot Life, which
Speaker 1: hopefully will be out before the end of the year.
Speaker 1: When Ryan said that, I had that internal eye roll
Speaker 1: because I just wasn't there in my journey at that point,
Speaker 1: but just in the last year, I do feel like
Speaker 1: there is something too that I look back in retrospect
Speaker 1: and I think I was ten feet away from one
Speaker 1: of these creatures. Why would something like that be that
Speaker 1: close to me? Why why does any wild animal get
Speaker 1: that close to a human being in their se It
Speaker 1: doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think my
Speaker 1: personal opinion about the two that I believe we encountered
Speaker 1: on that particular night was that they were curious. There's
Speaker 1: no other reason for it. They were whistling, they were
Speaker 1: letting us know that they were there because they wanted to.
Speaker 1: For lack of a better term, play with us. It's
Speaker 1: what I felt was happening.
Speaker 4: Nothing aggressive, though, right.
Speaker 3: Nothing aggressive at all.
Speaker 4: Have you been in an area where you found something
Speaker 4: that felt aggressive before. That's a different feeling when you
Speaker 4: feel that alpha and he's letting you know, it's a
Speaker 4: different feeling. It's definitely a different feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the feeling that I got when I had
Speaker 1: my experience when I was twelve years old. That's the
Speaker 1: feeling that I had. I was groud at, I was
Speaker 1: bluff charged, and that thing was pissed off and did
Speaker 1: not want me anywhere near it. So I did very
Speaker 1: much like Mike and said, I'm getting the hell out
Speaker 1: of here. I don't push my luck. I'm smarter than that.
Speaker 1: I'm assholes and elbows and I am taking off. But
Speaker 1: you're right, it's a very different feeling. And chased this
Speaker 1: freaking thing up the heel and had no fear. All
Speaker 1: I wanted to do was get closer and see it again.
Speaker 1: There was no fear. This thing could have easily ripped
Speaker 1: any of us apart, but it didn't, so there may
Speaker 1: be something to it. I'm curious about this family group
Speaker 1: that you're dealing with. Are there other experiences that you've
Speaker 1: had with them. Have you guys tried gifting or other
Speaker 1: kind of interactions. What are you guys getting outside of
Speaker 1: the vocalizations and some of the other things you've already described.
Speaker 4: I was going in there for about a year and
Speaker 4: a half by myself, me and my son and stuff
Speaker 4: in here before I brought Marie. Marie was the first
Speaker 4: person I brought back there, and then Chris and Ruby,
Speaker 4: so it was the first people I ever bought back.
Speaker 4: There was just the core of the group, and we
Speaker 4: were continuously having cool things happen. Like I was gifting
Speaker 4: the area by myself. I was just doing random experiments
Speaker 4: with things. I had two little spots that I was gifting.
Speaker 4: I found out that they have a taste of peanut
Speaker 4: butter whatever, So I figured, what about a reces. It's
Speaker 4: got peanut butter in it, and it's got bright orange
Speaker 4: pack wrapper you can see it. So I put it
Speaker 4: at the one spot, I put it over here, and
Speaker 4: I go back. Before Marie started going back there with me,
Speaker 4: they slowed down a little bit instantly when there was
Speaker 4: another person with me other than my son, But when
Speaker 4: it was just me going in there were times I
Speaker 4: had walked in these trails. I told you there's only
Speaker 4: two trails to get in. I go walk in those
Speaker 4: trails and there'd be no footprints. I go to leave
Speaker 4: and there'd be three or four that came in behind me.
Speaker 4: You will tell about something giving you goosebumps, And it's
Speaker 4: the same one. This guy, I call him big Toe.
Speaker 4: It's only about a thirteen and a half inch footprint.
Speaker 4: See what I'm showing you right now. Yeah, just as
Speaker 4: one big toe sticks up, it's like he lifts his toes.
Speaker 4: It's weird. The day I found this print right here,
Speaker 4: Actually Marie was with me that day. We went in
Speaker 4: there and it was just about dark and I made
Speaker 4: the casting of that and it was two dark, so
Speaker 4: I said, I'm just going to leave it, come back
Speaker 4: in the morning and check it. Came back to the
Speaker 4: next morning and that second print was right next to it.
Speaker 4: He had stood over it, right there, looking at what
Speaker 4: I was doing, and left another footprint. The same guy.
Speaker 4: I think he's a teenage male, is what I'm guessing,
Speaker 4: because of the width and the size of his foot.
Speaker 4: It's like thirteen, but it's like almost five ye at
Speaker 4: the heel.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: Four and a half four or three quarters wide at
Speaker 4: the heels. I found his footprints everywhere back there, all
Speaker 4: over the place back there. I've also found seven different
Speaker 4: sizes back there, but his is the one I found
Speaker 4: the most. I found him all the way down to
Speaker 4: six inches. I have a video where the Kalin's with
Speaker 4: me and we went back to go check on the
Speaker 4: castings from another time that we had made some casts
Speaker 4: and came back that day, and there was probably twenty
Speaker 4: more footprints back there, all through one passing area where
Speaker 4: they just came in there, and everywhere that me and
Speaker 4: the group had went, there were footprints where they had
Speaker 4: followed it and come behind us and followed our path
Speaker 4: where we were walking around. I called it the living
Speaker 4: room for a reason. I swear it's right in the
Speaker 4: middle of their living room, and like they stay here,
Speaker 4: they venture out from that spot. I swear that's where
Speaker 4: their spot is. Though the whole rest of the place
Speaker 4: looks like it'll get about two foot of water back
Speaker 4: there at times, but it's always dry. In certain areas.
Speaker 4: You get out towards the swamp part a little bit,
Speaker 4: it'll get about two foot deep, but there's logs that
Speaker 4: are giant logs set up like a boardwalk around the
Speaker 4: entire place. There's trees all over the place, leaning like
Speaker 4: this in between a perfect y where if you were
Speaker 4: to crawl that tree and look, you could see people
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood. There's a neighborhood not that far away
Speaker 4: from it too. That's the other thing. There's a neighborhood
Speaker 4: that runs right by this place. The only thing separating
Speaker 4: the neighborhood in the conservation area is the creek. If
Speaker 4: they're curious though, how perfect is that they could sit there,
Speaker 4: watch kids, watch people and never get messed with. I've
Speaker 4: always been curious to know, like there's people out there,
Speaker 4: what kind of sounds and different things to hear back
Speaker 4: there people who live on the creek, because I know
Speaker 4: there's a lot of them. So the gifting area was
Speaker 4: very successful for a long time. We're still doing it now.
Speaker 4: It's just starting to get good again. We put cameras
Speaker 4: out and try to get what was what it was
Speaker 4: on camera and they didn't like.
Speaker 1: It, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see
Speaker 1: we're right back.
Speaker 4: After these messages, everything stopped, all the activities stopped everything
Speaker 4: for about three months. I mean nothing, and then one
Speaker 4: day stuff started getting taken again from the gifting spots,
Speaker 4: candy and different things gone. We had a camera over here.
Speaker 4: We had a camera over here, and the gifting spot
Speaker 4: was in the middle, so there was a trail here,
Speaker 4: that trail here to come in. They stopped using that
Speaker 4: never came down at one time, not one picture anything.
Speaker 4: We had lots of pictures go off, deer, hogs, everything.
Speaker 4: Nothing right in the middle. About thirty ft forty feet
Speaker 4: away from the gifting spot, the fence that ran across
Speaker 4: there is bent down to the ground like someone stepped
Speaker 4: on it. The barb wires bent down in every section
Speaker 4: all the way down. Marie did a video on it.
Speaker 4: It's on our page, and it looked like another one
Speaker 4: stepped on it here and bent like something said on it.
Speaker 4: You know how hard that galvanized pipe is. It bends
Speaker 4: it down to the ground like it was nothing. Everything
Speaker 4: brought down and the deer had started coming through there
Speaker 4: as a trail. Now they made that so they can
Speaker 4: get back and get the freaking gifting stuff and not
Speaker 4: be caught on camera. So I finally convinced her to
Speaker 4: take the cameras down. I'm like I don't want to
Speaker 4: mirror no more. Let's tick them down. Let's get back
Speaker 4: to having them do their cool things again.
Speaker 3: Last question before I let you go.
Speaker 1: I want to be respectful of your time, but this
Speaker 1: is something I don't get a whole lot of chance
Speaker 1: to do is talk to people from Florida. There are
Speaker 1: camps out there that think these things may have five, six,
Speaker 1: seven different types within the species. There's all kinds of
Speaker 1: theories out there, and people in the Bigfoot community tend
Speaker 1: to believe or think that for some reason, and it's
Speaker 1: probably some of the evidence, honestly that's come out of
Speaker 1: Florida that skunk ape is a different beast altogether or
Speaker 1: is definitely different than what you're going to see in
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest as far as Sasquatch is concerned. But
Speaker 1: some of the things you've talked about experiences, we're talking
Speaker 1: seven eight nine feet tall. These don't seem to be
Speaker 1: smaller than what they are in other areas. But what
Speaker 1: is your theory, and obviously this is subjective, nobody really knows,
Speaker 1: But what is your theory on what's going on specifically
Speaker 1: in Florida? Do you think they're the same Sasquatch as
Speaker 1: other places in the country, even maybe other places like Canada,
Speaker 1: or do you think there's something special going on in
Speaker 1: Florida and what you guys are experiencing.
Speaker 4: Truly, after a few years of this now and getting
Speaker 4: to go down especially, what makes me believe this now
Speaker 4: is going down to the Everglades down a David Shiley's place.
Speaker 4: You know, we do a lot with David. We're good
Speaker 4: friends with him. We've seen and done a lot down there.
Speaker 4: After going through seeing his video and re enacting his
Speaker 4: video and seeing what's back there, I found regular foot
Speaker 4: impressions out in the middle of the sawgrass that look
Speaker 4: like similar to the ones we have up here. But
Speaker 4: Dave's also found footprints like I've never seen before in
Speaker 4: my life. He's got some funky four toad prints and
Speaker 4: they are weird. I know that whatever they are down there,
Speaker 4: they don't make the structures like they do up north.
Speaker 4: From the sightings, from everything that's going on, I think
Speaker 4: there are at least two different kinds. I think they're
Speaker 4: like us in a way. We're all different types from everywhere,
Speaker 4: just like you get different people around the country, around
Speaker 4: the world, the same thing. I think with them, I
Speaker 4: think they're just different species of them. I think the
Speaker 4: only difference with the actual sasquatch versus a skunk ape
Speaker 4: is that I think their intelligence level. I think the
Speaker 4: skunk ape might be a little more primitive, whatever it is,
Speaker 4: and maybe it didn't develop as well or something, I
Speaker 4: don't know, a little more primitive. I don't think there's
Speaker 4: any difference if anything else around the United States or
Speaker 4: anywhere in the world, except they might be thinner, because
Speaker 4: everything in Florida is a little thinner, and we're in
Speaker 4: the South. Everything doesn't weigh as much, and you get
Speaker 4: reports it's more bodybuilder looking guys, guys that look like
Speaker 4: they could to the genimalmst. You took all that mass
Speaker 4: and hair off of some of the wolves and cougars.
Speaker 4: Look at a Florida panther, Florida pants or litter or deer.
Speaker 4: We're a lot thinner. I think that's what it is.
Speaker 4: I think it's just a thinner, more adapted version. But
Speaker 4: you got to be lean. You can't live in our swamps. Oh,
Speaker 4: I'll have a bunch of body fat. That's what I
Speaker 4: really think. It's a big difference between intelligence and body mass,
Speaker 4: not height.
Speaker 3: It definitely makes sense.
Speaker 1: Man, It's like Bergmann's rule Bergmann's law in reverse. The
Speaker 1: farther north you go away from the equator, the bigger
Speaker 1: things get. The closer you get to the equator, the
Speaker 1: smaller and skinnier. In this case, that things get. That's
Speaker 1: what keeps me coming back.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I love those kind of questions. I love talking to
Speaker 1: people from all over the country and literally around the
Speaker 1: world about this because everybody's experiences are different. But I
Speaker 1: think there's something to be gleaned from every bit of
Speaker 1: data that we mind, from every experience and every bit
Speaker 1: of research that everybody's doing. I love to talk to
Speaker 1: people who get out in the woods as much as possible,
Speaker 1: like you your group. The fine folks i've met done
Speaker 1: in Florida, Man, have been a blast to hang out when.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
Speaker 1: your fancies. Man, I had a good time talking to you.
Speaker 4: I wish I had to have more time. I tell
Speaker 4: you all of them. Maybe one day me and my
Speaker 4: son could come hang out with you and talk a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 3: We'll definitely make that happen, for sure.
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Speaker 6: stay right. You come from away.
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