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Speaker 1: a few headlines for our decidedly queer lens. See what happens.
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Speaker 2: I am your post Charles Tyson Junior.
Speaker 1: And I'm your host more than madrible. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Full Circle Table.
Speaker 2: You made me snort in my intro. Damn, sorry, Hi baby, Hi,
Speaker 2: how are you. I'm okay, just okay, I mean, I'm good.
Speaker 1: That's good. He's tired.
Speaker 2: It's the end of a we're always tired, long week.
Speaker 1: I know it is August second. Yeah, that books Green
Speaker 1: Outside the World is still there.
Speaker 2: We've been officially in Leo season.
Speaker 1: For months now. For a week. Yeah, this this Wednesday
Speaker 1: would be Tutsa's birthday should be ninety six.
Speaker 2: And today would be my dearly departed bestie's birthday. Christina
Speaker 2: would be fifty one today, exactly twelve days older than me, right,
Speaker 2: because that was the running joke. You will always be
Speaker 2: twelve days older than me, and there is nothing you
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 1: About nothing you can do. It's true. My cousin is
Speaker 1: two months and one week older than I.
Speaker 2: Am, and that one week is very important.
Speaker 1: Well, it's there.
Speaker 2: And it always will be.
Speaker 1: It's there October first to December eight mm hmm. This
Speaker 1: is two months and a week. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then yesterday, August first, was my bestie Ken his birthday.
Speaker 2: So many leos, A.
Speaker 1: Lot of leos, A lot of leos. I'm saying happy
Speaker 1: birthday a lot because.
Speaker 2: We're everywhere and we're very sensitive if you don't say
Speaker 2: something from the.
Speaker 1: End of July through all. Yeah, we know a lot
Speaker 1: of leos. How about that?
Speaker 2: Interesting, We're fabulous and we're everywhere.
Speaker 1: That must be it.
Speaker 2: I know it is from where I'm sitting.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, and uh yeah, going to Kat's Jellico ball
Speaker 1: was still your birthday present. I'm just gonna keep saying
Speaker 1: that Happy birthday again.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I will still be a changed human from
Speaker 2: having seen it on my birthday.
Speaker 1: All right, And we were well, I'm sure we'll get
Speaker 1: to a bit. We were watching Haitiestown yesterday. Yes, we
Speaker 1: went to the movies. We managed to make it to
Speaker 1: our local queer art show. Yes and buy things, and
Speaker 1: then we managed to meet up with Kathy at the
Speaker 1: movies where we have recliners and I see Hadestown.
Speaker 2: Yes, and their limited engagement.
Speaker 1: That has been extended extended.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be five days and the original
Speaker 2: run took place over the past weekend when we were
Speaker 2: booked solid. So when it got extended, I said, yes, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: It was great. And as they were doing different shots
Speaker 1: I believe, I leaned over and said, and you we
Speaker 1: talk about this. You can talk about how you met
Speaker 1: Andre Deshields in his dressing room recently. Yes, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: That, Yes, because I met Andre Deshields in his dressing room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, just like I was saying, I'm going
Speaker 1: to text my my friend Andre Deshields about the episode
Speaker 1: with great great King. Yes, I will mention having seen
Speaker 1: Haydes Town a role he originated and one a tony
Speaker 1: four correct correct, Yes, at brilliant is so well done.
Speaker 1: And this is we saw it in Philadelphia touring. Yes,
Speaker 1: and this is the core members I guess, our original
Speaker 1: cast and then the West End folks.
Speaker 2: Right, the current the original Broadway cast and then current
Speaker 2: at least at the time of the filming cast on
Speaker 2: the West End.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I love that one of the Fates as
Speaker 1: a transwoman. Yes.
Speaker 2: And it took me a second to catch because you know,
Speaker 2: at first you're just taken over by the Fates, because
Speaker 2: the Fates are like, might be my favorite characters in
Speaker 2: the show actually, yea, because they're fabulous and they do
Speaker 2: everything in three part harmony, the way they.
Speaker 1: Move, the way they sing yes so much there.
Speaker 2: I love them. And there it was two black women
Speaker 2: and one white woman of size, yes, and they were
Speaker 2: all killing it. And after a while I was like, hmmm,
Speaker 2: and then leaned over to you. I was like, is
Speaker 2: she a trans woman? You said, I think so, And
Speaker 2: I looked it up and.
Speaker 1: I said, yes, yeah, I don't think I said, I
Speaker 1: think so, Yes she is, yeah, because I did clock
Speaker 1: her voice, and I went, oh, good for her because
Speaker 1: she Oh.
Speaker 2: Once she got the solo moment, I was like, okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I just beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and out and proud and all of that
Speaker 1: from what I was reading. But yeah, yeah, that was that.
Speaker 1: That gave it another layer of delicious.
Speaker 2: Alie Daniel is her name, Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's hard to not watch her for real
Speaker 1: when she's on screen because very captivating persons.
Speaker 2: That entire cast. Man, I get it because the cast
Speaker 2: we saw, the touring cast, I went away from it.
Speaker 2: I believe. I said. One thing you can know for
Speaker 2: sure if you are in Hadestown, it is to be
Speaker 2: assumed that you can sing your fucking ass off, because
Speaker 2: the music is designed for people who can sang s
Speaker 2: A y and G sang. And seeing the original cast,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's that's the through line.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's as important with Hades, the other character.
Speaker 2: I think Hades is the important thing about Hades is
Speaker 2: you have to have a striking look and you have
Speaker 2: to be able to hit a bottom note that you
Speaker 2: have to lift up your shoe to reach.
Speaker 1: Okay, because you need that booming voice.
Speaker 2: Yes, because both actors we have seen play Hades have
Speaker 2: had a very deep bus voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah my god. Yeah. And I'm like, where do I
Speaker 1: know him from? Where do I know him from? And
Speaker 1: then you went gilded age.
Speaker 2: Oh that's it.
Speaker 1: There we go. Okay, it made sense because I who
Speaker 1: did he remind me of? I've said something to Kathy
Speaker 1: Anthony Quinn. I think and and and visually, but then
Speaker 1: you know with the I'm like, I know him from somewhere.
Speaker 2: Patrick Page is Patrick Page name?
Speaker 1: Yes, and he yeah, I had the voy he had
Speaker 1: a boot on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he had injured his his foot and so
Speaker 2: he had the walking boot. But they like created this
Speaker 2: like decoration on it, so it like went with his outfit.
Speaker 1: It kind of did. Yeah, it was very fierce. And
Speaker 1: he still danced with wearing the same suit in the
Speaker 1: movie that Nicole Kidman is wearing right before the movie
Speaker 1: starts every time, and.
Speaker 2: I always said, I always say, you can rock the
Speaker 2: fuck out of Yeah, he was wearing the same suit,
Speaker 2: sparkly pinstrip.
Speaker 1: It hit different on him whatever, Yeah, different vibe. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: it's something I noted.
Speaker 2: Going back to talking about Broadway, Okay, apropos of nothing.
Speaker 2: We just released our interview with doctor Gregory King, yes,
Speaker 2: who came on the pod, and we talked about cats
Speaker 2: agelical Ball, and we discussed why we think it close,
Speaker 2: it's closing early, and what are the contributing factors in
Speaker 2: the Broadway system as a whole, and we talked about
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, we asked some bigger questions possible ways
Speaker 2: to alleviate this problem on a larger scale. We got deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do some shows get grace for a time
Speaker 1: and some don't? Yeah, was part of the question. Something
Speaker 1: as groundbreaking as this. Not getting more time is a question.
Speaker 1: It's a serious question. And you know, in part, and
Speaker 1: I mentioned this yesterday, maybe part of the answer is
Speaker 1: doing these releases in movie theaters. Now you know this
Speaker 1: is obviously, you know, an edited version, but it is
Speaker 1: the stage play. It's you know, filmed on stage like
Speaker 1: Hamilton one. Right, And is this another way to create
Speaker 1: a revenue stream that can help these shows? Was the question.
Speaker 1: Because Met Live. I don't know if they still do it,
Speaker 1: but Elizabeth was talking about this that you used to
Speaker 1: be able to go see opera live. It was like
Speaker 1: a simulcast in a movie theater. Yeah, so while the
Speaker 1: performance is happening at the Met in New York, you
Speaker 1: could go to a movie theater in Chicago and it
Speaker 1: was like twenty five dollars and I don't know what
Speaker 1: it would be now, but and watch the same performance. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that expands the reach. It may it creates more accessibility,
Speaker 1: I don't. I doubt it minimizes the audiences on Broadway itself,
Speaker 1: because the people that are going to Broadway, I think
Speaker 1: are going to Broadway, and the people who can't never
Speaker 1: get there, they might see it when it tours, or
Speaker 1: they may never see it.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's primarily like the staged recordings shown in
Speaker 2: movie theaters. I feel like those are for people that
Speaker 2: are either most likely never going to physically make it
Speaker 2: to see a Broadway show on Broadway, or for fans
Speaker 2: of the show to see it again.
Speaker 1: I've not seen Hamilton on stage. I've only seen the
Speaker 1: Disney you know, Channel version, which is excellent. It's the
Speaker 1: original cast. It's from twenty sixteen, and tickets at that
Speaker 1: time were so astronomically expensive there was no way, right,
Speaker 1: there was no way we could have seen it on
Speaker 1: stage at that point.
Speaker 2: Like I'm glad, Like with Hadestown, I'm glad we saw
Speaker 2: it in the order that we saw. We saw the
Speaker 2: touring production first, and then we saw the original cast
Speaker 2: in the movie because like seeing Hamilton for the first
Speaker 2: time with the original cast, it's like, I'm in no
Speaker 2: big hurry to see anyone else do it, Okay, fair,
Speaker 2: I mean that's just me, you know.
Speaker 1: I do like seeing different people bring different things to
Speaker 1: the role, even you go who else could do that,
Speaker 1: and then somebody brings something fresh.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's plenty of people that could like rock
Speaker 2: the hell out of it.
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned the physicality of the person doing
Speaker 1: it on tour, doing the Hermes part, Oh, and it
Speaker 1: was like much more physical, more dancing, more movement. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, much younger actor. For one thing. Under Deshields,
Speaker 1: every movement is so intentional and so elegant and so clear. Yes,
Speaker 1: and part of the storytelling. He doesn't have to move around,
Speaker 1: and he did.
Speaker 2: He danced, did oh, he did like a nice little
Speaker 2: bit there.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, watching him an old Deuteronomy,
Speaker 1: it's like, right, yeah, you don't have to move much,
Speaker 1: right because when you move everyone sees exactly what you
Speaker 1: did that.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. I in no way felt like
Speaker 2: having seen the more physical version of Hermes first, I
Speaker 2: in no way felt like there was anything missing from
Speaker 2: Andre to Shields's performance. I mean, first of all, why
Speaker 2: would I But it's just there was it was different, right,
Speaker 2: it was different. It was different, but he was captivating,
Speaker 2: you know what it is. It's it comes down to
Speaker 2: that whole like how you can like how with ease
Speaker 2: you can you can do things as opposed to people
Speaker 2: that have to put forth more energy, like for instance,
Speaker 2: when Kathy and I saw Missus Doubt Fire the Missus
Speaker 2: Doubt Fire musical. Yes, that actor had to be able
Speaker 2: to sing, dance, act, do impressions, play instruments just to
Speaker 2: be able to keep up with the energy that Robin
Speaker 2: Williams put forth naturally right, And I feel like that
Speaker 2: actually might be the same thing because it was a
Speaker 2: younger actor playing Hermes. There's no way that he would
Speaker 2: have had that nuance and presence like at his organically,
Speaker 2: at his fingertips, at his age, that Andre de Shields
Speaker 2: has because it's an amalgamation of everything he's done and
Speaker 2: everywhere he's been. You know what I'm saying, Like seasoned
Speaker 2: performers just have sure a performance quality that younger performers
Speaker 2: just don't, not won't, but don't.
Speaker 1: Well and some just get old. But under it just shields.
Speaker 1: It's a master right on the stage.
Speaker 2: Like in in Cats, like Andre just stood there, gave
Speaker 2: a look across the stage and then gave a thumbs down. A.
Speaker 2: I was captivated and B it was effective as fuck, absolutely,
Speaker 2: And you know, a younger actor might feel compelled to
Speaker 2: make that a bigger moment.
Speaker 1: Well, right, it's big because you're riverted, right, so you
Speaker 1: don't miss anything. But yeah, right, fascinating, It fascinates me,
Speaker 1: it does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that first that that actor we saw
Speaker 2: first do Hermes had to fly to get to the
Speaker 2: same place that Andre walks to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we watched Ain't Misbehaving? Yes, that was filmed
Speaker 1: in eighty two with the original cast, and I had
Speaker 1: that moment where I went, I kind of forgot young
Speaker 1: Andre to Shields, right, like I knew who he was
Speaker 1: then I kind of forgot that the same dude, you know, right,
Speaker 1: that's the same person, because yeah, how many years ago?
Speaker 1: Well also, but he was, he was cute, and he
Speaker 1: could move.
Speaker 2: He did the damn thing. Well, Ain't misbehavin Is like
Speaker 2: when I told Andre that he was my archetype for
Speaker 2: queer black cool. That performance is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: That's what cemented that for me. It's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: those mannerisms, that style. I like that, That's what I
Speaker 2: aspire to be. And I also realized, because you know,
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen Andre to Shields in performance in a
Speaker 2: in a long time. Before we saw him as old Uteronomy,
Speaker 2: and he was moving very slow and tentative, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay. And then we saw Hadestown, which
Speaker 2: was just a year before, and I'm like, okay, that's right.
Speaker 2: Old Deuteronomy is old and and and you know.
Speaker 1: Right, so it's like domain Shields camp. Correct. It means
Speaker 1: that's how he played, right.
Speaker 2: Which again is a testament to how fucking talented.
Speaker 1: Yes, Andre Shields, I'm still working on Broadway at eighty right.
Speaker 1: You gotta love it, right, yetta love it.
Speaker 2: I mean I should have known because when we met
Speaker 2: him in the dressing room, he was just regal and
Speaker 2: fierce and absolutely ten feet tall, even though he's not.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, he just has a presence and an elegance.
Speaker 1: And yeah, welcome to.
Speaker 2: The Andrea Shields Appreciation Podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I want to note we did have two
Speaker 1: folks who we lost since we last sat down.
Speaker 2: Yes, this one is for my dancing people and for.
Speaker 1: My arts loving people, Okay.
Speaker 2: Simone forty passed way at the age of ninety one.
Speaker 2: She was very much a founding presence in the postmodernist movement, okay,
Speaker 2: and introducing the different elements of the arts into movement,
Speaker 2: including writing and painting and you know, using minimalist movement
Speaker 2: to create larger works. And her stuff was captivating. She
Speaker 2: could do a lot with a little.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's that? She took her inspiration from everyday objects,
Speaker 1: children's play, animals, minimalism, and LSD trips. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was also that she.
Speaker 1: Called her most influential works dance Constructions. Yes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: So a lot of my postmodern folks are definitely mourning
Speaker 2: her right now. Simone forty was. I also just loved
Speaker 2: saying her name. Simone forty.
Speaker 1: She was premiered at Yoko Owner's Lower Manhattan loft in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one. Her groundbreaking five Dance Constructions and Some
Speaker 1: Other Things was a suite of short pieces based on
Speaker 1: playground structures, improvisation, and random chance. Yes, the idea had
Speaker 1: been planted in her by the pioneering recent performances of
Speaker 1: Japan's Gutai Art Association. Yes Gutai, Yes, whose artists crashed
Speaker 1: through paper panels and hurled fistfuls of mud.
Speaker 2: Yep, that sounds right, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, that's that
Speaker 2: stuff that I would have gone to. It would take
Speaker 2: place in a warehouse that someone managed to acquire access to.
Speaker 2: And it was one of those word of mouth things
Speaker 2: that somehow everybody went to and someone ends up naked
Speaker 2: and someone throws things at people in one things and
Speaker 2: by the end you're like, that was amazing? What the
Speaker 2: fuck did I just see? Like it was? She did
Speaker 2: a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Aha, Okay, okay, she did get her obituary in the
Speaker 1: New York Times yep, ninety one ninety one. May we
Speaker 1: all see one? I know, that's right, And she was
Speaker 1: still performing, it looks like until fairly recently. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of cool, right't rest well? Yes, Simon Forte, Yes,
Speaker 1: Vincent Pastor, I know.
Speaker 2: Big Pussy, Big Pussy, which is a name I can't
Speaker 2: believe was ever said on network television.
Speaker 1: Network television. It was HBO.
Speaker 2: I'm aware of that. I'm talking about like when they
Speaker 2: talk about it on the view.
Speaker 1: Oh they they said big pussy. Yes, okay. Salvator is
Speaker 1: am I saying bumps And Sarah the foot Soldier he
Speaker 1: earned FBI in foremant, known to his friends as big Pussy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was his seminal work. We've seen him in so
Speaker 1: many other things. He played Italian American tough guys, but
Speaker 1: that was. His biggest role was in Sopranos. He died
Speaker 1: at eighty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I ever saw him play anyone
Speaker 2: that wasn't mobbed up.
Speaker 1: I did either. He died at his home. In The Bronx,
Speaker 1: he played mob enforcers, capos and the like before being
Speaker 1: cast in The Sopranos, which premiered in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Oh And his character was known as Big Pussy, not
Speaker 1: for any obscene reason, but because he had started his
Speaker 1: career in crime as a cat burglar.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: His friends added Big to distinguish him from another character,
Speaker 1: Gennaro Malonga, known as Little Pussy. He won critical for
Speaker 1: the nuance he brought to the role. The character's flawed, conflicted,
Speaker 1: and likable caught in circumstances partly beyond his control that
Speaker 1: nevertheless sealed his fate. Ye, yeah, he came late to acting.
Speaker 1: He spent over twenty years as a nightclub bouncer and
Speaker 1: limousine driver, eventually becoming a manager and owner of a
Speaker 1: club in New Roshelle, New York. Among his regulars were
Speaker 1: Matt and Kevin Dillon, who knew him from his days
Speaker 1: as a chauffeur. Impressed by his charisma. They persuaded him
Speaker 1: to take acting classes and auditioned for small roles in
Speaker 1: New York area theater. He climbed quickly, getting parts in
Speaker 1: TV shows and independent movies, as well as small roles
Speaker 1: in Goodfellas and Carlito's Way, both about mob life and
Speaker 1: set in the city. His first major role was in
Speaker 1: the film The Jerky Boys Not Familiar, Oh God, the
Speaker 1: right hand man of a mob boss played by Allan Arcan.
Speaker 1: More mob theme roles followed, including in the movies Nightfalls
Speaker 1: on Manhattan, Gotti, and Mickey Blue Eyes. So he was
Speaker 1: working alongside many of the same Italian actors who would
Speaker 1: later be on the cast as Sopranos. Yep, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1: How about that Jerky Boys? Was that fucking show on
Speaker 1: Comedy Central? It was all these recorded prank calls and
Speaker 1: they were re enacted by fucking puppets. Huh.
Speaker 2: It was straight white boy nonsense that I never cared about.
Speaker 1: He has done several reality shows after The Sopranos, Celebrity
Speaker 1: Apprentice or Celebrity Family Feud, Dancing with the Stars, branded
Speaker 1: his own pasta sauce, and had a role in the
Speaker 1: Broadway musical Bullets Over Broadway in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yes, the musical Bullets over Broadway, where they were even
Speaker 2: fewer black people than there were in the movie. And
Speaker 2: in the movie there was one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, interesting, interesting, interesting portrayals. He died at eighty
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, Okay, do we want to take a
Speaker 1: quick break and then we will come back and jump
Speaker 1: right into good news. Yes, let's do that. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back and we're bad.
Speaker 2: We're back, so good news.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Yes, this actually was from the middle of July, but
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that we talked about it.
Speaker 2: The murderer of Oshay Sibley was sentenced finally.
Speaker 1: Yes, Anosha of course, killed for dancing Yeah, at a
Speaker 1: gas station in Brooklyn. Dmitri Popov hurled homophobic and anti
Speaker 1: black slurs during the attack on Thursday. The victim's family
Speaker 1: and friends remembered him in court as a vibrant young
Speaker 1: man who moved to New York to pursue his dreams
Speaker 1: before the judge handed down the sentence. Yeah. Last month,
Speaker 1: a jury found him guilty of manslaughter as a hate crime.
Speaker 2: Yes, sentenced to twenty years in prison, which I think
Speaker 2: is not enough.
Speaker 1: But that's just me. He was seventeen at the time
Speaker 1: that he killed Osha, who was twenty eight. Yep, so
Speaker 1: twenty years yeah, okay, not enough. But he was a black, gay.
Speaker 2: Man and a fabulous dancer enjoying a summer evening. Yep.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing when they were pomping, also bumping
Speaker 2: the Beyonce Renaissance album, So I know they were cutting
Speaker 2: up in vogueing and I know they look fabulous because
Speaker 2: I'm sure they were them.
Speaker 1: What's the problem? Yeah, exactly, what was the problem?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: But we had to interject hate and homophobia, I'm sure, no,
Speaker 1: a little bit of racism, right, yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Justice for Osha.
Speaker 1: That is why this is in good news, because you
Speaker 1: know that is finally over and justice is finally served. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, after he passed away that night happened to
Speaker 1: be Beyonce's show at New Jersey's MetLife Stadium, and after
Speaker 1: he passed away, Beyonce dedicated her homepage to him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was the whole thing is like a black page
Speaker 2: with just his name in the middle.
Speaker 1: Rest in power, yeah, ohha, simply yeah yeah, yep. I'm
Speaker 1: glad that it was seen and charged as a hate
Speaker 1: crime because it was Yep, it really was okay. So
Speaker 1: for some well, I want to say, for some bizarre reason,
Speaker 1: but anytime I'm talking about Trump.
Speaker 2: Who is in himself a bizarre reason.
Speaker 1: He made insulting comments about Dylan mulvaney at the White
Speaker 1: House Press dinner, which is apparently turned into just an
Speaker 1: awful thing that people still attend for some reason. Well,
Speaker 1: but her response was kind of classy and fun.
Speaker 2: He brought her up for no reason out.
Speaker 1: Of right, the way he does with trans people. Oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention the trainees. Let me throw that
Speaker 1: in there. He the funck den, he say. He compared
Speaker 1: her to CNN correspondent Caitlin Collins.
Speaker 2: Who before his speech had won an award for her
Speaker 2: reporting on Trump's meeting with Ukraine President Zelenski. Right, and so,
Speaker 2: he said, I thought Caitlin had really made it big
Speaker 2: with a major new sponsorship. But then I informed her
Speaker 2: that it wasn't her on the bud light can it
Speaker 2: was Dylan mulvaney.
Speaker 1: What yeah, which he just yeah said, right, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1: In a four minute video posted online, mulvaney congratulated Collins,
Speaker 1: encouraged her to keep up the great work, and said
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly honored to be compared to her in any way.
Speaker 1: She said that she had been flying under the radar,
Speaker 1: keeping up a pretty low.
Speaker 2: Profile except for starring in Broadway.
Speaker 1: Since the infamous bud light incident. Yet I am still
Speaker 1: his topic of conversation all these years later, and it
Speaker 1: seems to me that I might be like the one
Speaker 1: that got away for these men. Ooh, like I am
Speaker 1: permanently burned into their retinas. I am microchipped into their minds.
Speaker 1: Maybe being publicly mocked and criticized by this administration is
Speaker 1: actually like the greatest compliment of all because it puts
Speaker 1: me in the company of some of the most brilliant,
Speaker 1: empathetic people in our world to day, she continued, before
Speaker 1: rhetorically asking why it is so important for people like
Speaker 1: Trump to try and make sure that she remains unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: What is it that I have that they don't, she asks,
Speaker 1: before answering, Oh, my god, freedom. I am free in
Speaker 1: a way they will never have the privilege to experience,
Speaker 1: and they wont to use their power to take away
Speaker 1: my freedom. She then said that Trump and his kind
Speaker 1: do understand that her freedom has zero contingency on what
Speaker 1: they can provide for her because her freedom is fully
Speaker 1: dependent on her own acknowledgment of her real, authentic self. Okay, ha, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I love it. She was like, I'm still me and
Speaker 2: you're still you.
Speaker 1: So I win, right, exactly exactly? Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: miss smart people word. So this is fun. In a
Speaker 1: recent Fox News poll, I love it when they're Fox
Speaker 1: News polls right, a clear majority of voters fifty six
Speaker 1: percent embraced the Democratic Party on transgender issues. Thank you
Speaker 1: for thinking, we go right. Only forty three percent of
Speaker 1: voters opted for the Republican positions. It's still too many.
Speaker 1: And this is in the same survey where voters favor
Speaker 1: the GOP on immigration and border security issues as well
Speaker 1: as crime and national security.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: So it was not an exceptionally or even moderately liberal
Speaker 1: pool who were polled. Good to know, right, The General
Speaker 1: Social Survey documents some big changes in the American public's
Speaker 1: views over the last twenty years. In two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: Bush made opposition to gay marriage a centerpiece of his campaign.
Speaker 1: As we know, since then, I guess nearly every religion
Speaker 1: category has increased their support for the question if homosexual
Speaker 1: couples should have the right to marry one another. Why
Speaker 1: don't we keep going back over the same old chat.
Speaker 1: It's a good quin no one, no one's been harmed
Speaker 1: the day people have been married for eleven years now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, asked and answered a long time ago, Dear God.
Speaker 1: Mainline Protestants have increased their support for gay marriage over
Speaker 1: the twenty years, from thirty two to seventy eight percent.
Speaker 1: For Catholics, the increase went from thirty seven to sixty
Speaker 1: eight percent. Over the same time period from four to
Speaker 1: twenty four, those of other faiths jumped in supportive gay
Speaker 1: marriage forty two to seventy percent. For those with no religion,
Speaker 1: liberal or conservative, those numbers jumped from just under fifty
Speaker 1: percent to eighty one percent. What is wrong with the
Speaker 1: other nineteen percent?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So, this article posits that on trans issues, there's another
Speaker 1: reason for the change. Less than half of one percent
Speaker 1: of high school athletes are transgender, while for colleges it's
Speaker 1: point zero point zero zero two percent.
Speaker 2: That's way less than one half of one percent.
Speaker 1: Uh huh oh, way, way way less. But some proposed
Speaker 1: solutions have strangers doing gender verification on all female athletes,
Speaker 1: which affects a lot more athletes as well their parents
Speaker 1: and family. Given that some in our Congress refuse to
Speaker 1: investigate several major scandals involving political figures and underage girls,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of trust concerns among parents about those who
Speaker 1: may be doing the checking given oversight issues, interesting which.
Speaker 2: We have been positing, like repeatedly over the past couple years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this, John Torres is writing this about the shift.
Speaker 1: It's good news. It's been happening. It's been the trend.
Speaker 1: It's the trend I hope to see play out in
Speaker 1: the midterms. Yeah, you know, they're sick of this. People
Speaker 1: are sick.
Speaker 2: Of this and have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and have been for a long time. And just
Speaker 1: stay out of the common sections because that will give
Speaker 1: you a skewed view of the world, right, genuinely, seriously
Speaker 1: skewed view of the world that might make you think
Speaker 1: it's a bigger group of people than I think it
Speaker 1: actually is. Yeah, because actually most people are self absorbed
Speaker 1: and don't give a fuck what I'm doing. True, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're shifting. We know that they are, and I love
Speaker 1: it when it's their polls right that show it even
Speaker 1: among conservatives. If they weren't so slow to their own party.
Speaker 1: They did not it off already, right, it's not winning
Speaker 1: them anything. And how about the Epstein files. Well, so
Speaker 1: this could have gone in Shadenflreuda for Republicans joined Democrats
Speaker 1: to defeat an effort to write Trump's transgender military restrictions
Speaker 1: into federal law. The House rejected a permanent trans military
Speaker 1: ban and the Defense Bill.
Speaker 2: Vote and good, we saw it coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is good. They failed narrowly, and not before
Speaker 1: approving two measures targeting trans troops and their families. An
Speaker 1: amendment from ARMB work that would have given Trump's executive
Speaker 1: what are the force effective law failed two twelve to
Speaker 1: two seventeen, a ha before Republicans joined every voting Democrat
Speaker 1: and opposing it. It leaves the administration's ban in place,
Speaker 1: while preserving a path for courts, Congress, or a future
Speaker 1: president to reverse it.
Speaker 2: You good Republicans tried to codify Trump's trans military band
Speaker 2: into law. But my fellow members of the Congressional Equality
Speaker 2: Caucus and I put in countless hours of work in
Speaker 2: order to kill this amendment, and we were successful. I'm
Speaker 2: grateful for the bipartisan vote to defeat this discriminatory amendment
Speaker 2: that was a representative Mark Takano, chair of the Congressional
Speaker 2: Equality Caucus.
Speaker 1: Good, so some are waking up, I mean some are realizing,
Speaker 1: like he's getting older, this is all getting worse. You
Speaker 1: are all complicit. So you know now and again there's
Speaker 1: a tiny ray of sun. Right, this is one of
Speaker 1: them tiny ray. However, the House approved two amendments from
Speaker 1: Nancy Mace targeting healthcare and school athletics. Of course, one
Speaker 1: would prohibit Trcare, the militarys health insurance program, from covering
Speaker 1: transition related care for service members and their family members,
Speaker 1: including HRT, puberty blockers, and surgeries. What a count. Sparta
Speaker 1: Pride said the provision would deny medically necessary care to
Speaker 1: military families and could leave transgender troops without treatment even
Speaker 1: if open service is restored. Right, so you can serve,
Speaker 1: but you can't have healthcare.
Speaker 2: Right, give it and take it away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the second would ban transgender girls from competing
Speaker 1: on girls teams in Defense Department schools. Yeah. The amendment
Speaker 1: defines eligibility according to reproductive biold, but does not say
Speaker 1: house schools would verify students part always Yeah. Sparta Pride,
Speaker 1: which advocates for transgender people in the military, warned that
Speaker 1: enforcement could create serious privacy risks for military children. Yep.
Speaker 1: The way that they play with the military, support the troops.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile they're weakening the entire thing. Oh yeah, like how
Speaker 2: you're going to weaken our military and weaken our standing
Speaker 2: on the global stage at the same time. But call
Speaker 2: yourself strong. That don't even work.
Speaker 1: There are thousands of service members with transgender children who
Speaker 1: now have to face whether or not they should stay
Speaker 1: in the military as the government they serve discriminates against
Speaker 1: their kids. Yep, m hm, yeah, yeah, there it is, there,
Speaker 1: it is. I'm weary and this is good news, right,
Speaker 1: it's still in fucking good news, right, and I'm sad
Speaker 1: just because yeah one good too bad. That's the dance
Speaker 1: we're doing these days. I do want to talk about
Speaker 1: Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania has ended criminal penalties for
Speaker 1: people living with HIV. They have never served an effective
Speaker 1: law enforcement purpose, and at the end of July they
Speaker 1: stopped it. He signed legislation the end of July ending
Speaker 1: enhanced criminal penalties for people living with h IVY. It
Speaker 1: removes HIV from the state's criminal code, yes, which previously
Speaker 1: allowed those charged with crimes like prostitution to face harsher
Speaker 1: criminal penalties if they are HIV positive. So we know
Speaker 1: when these things were written. While most offenders charged with
Speaker 1: prostitution and related crimes in Pennsylvania faced misdemeanor charges prior
Speaker 1: to this bill being signed, those living with HIV could
Speaker 1: be charged with a felony punishable by up to seven
Speaker 1: years in prison, regardless of whether they used condoms or
Speaker 1: if their viral load made it impossible for them to
Speaker 1: transmit the virus. It didn't matter. Yeah, these were. These
Speaker 1: state laws proliferated in the nineteen nineties and some before,
Speaker 1: but after Congress passed the Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources
Speaker 1: Emergency Act, which linked HIV and AIDS treatment and prevention
Speaker 1: funding to laws that criminalized knowingly exposing others to the
Speaker 1: virus through sexual activity. While Congress removed most of those
Speaker 1: swunding requirements from the Ryan White Act in the year
Speaker 1: two thousand, twenty six, states still have laws on the
Speaker 1: books criminalizing transmission of or perceived exposure to HIV and
Speaker 1: or laws mandating HIV specific sentence enhancements, including four where
Speaker 1: such laws may require sex offender register.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean advocates have long criticized these laws as
Speaker 1: misguided and ineffective. Philadelphia Fight Chief Medical Officer, doctor j
Speaker 1: Costman said laws criminalizing those living with HIV only led
Speaker 1: to further stigmatization. That stigma discouraged people from getting tested
Speaker 1: and treated, fueling the epidemic, particularly among marginalized populations. Facts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know today that when people living with HIV are
Speaker 1: taking medications and have an undetectable level of virus in
Speaker 1: their blood, they can't transmit the virus to other people. Therefore,
Speaker 1: there's no scientific basis for criminalizing HIV. Boom yay and
Speaker 1: In a statement on July twenty sixth, Tito Valdez, the
Speaker 1: director of LGBT Affairs with the Philadelphia Department of Public Health,
Speaker 1: look at him doing stuff. I know it's like well anyway,
Speaker 1: called the signing an important step toward ending outdated policies
Speaker 1: rooted in fear and stigma rather than science. No one
Speaker 1: should face harsher treatment under the law because they were
Speaker 1: living with HIV. We applaud Governor Shapiro and the advocates
Speaker 1: who worked for years to make this change possible and
Speaker 1: remain committed to advancing policies that promote dignity, equity, and
Speaker 1: public health for all Philadelphians. Comments from the Mayor's office
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. I know, I know how about that. I
Speaker 1: remember when we used to have them. I almost forgot
Speaker 1: that was a thing that happened. I know, how about it? Cool?
Speaker 1: Go teeto, right, So I want to really quickly, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go right into the segment we like to call
Speaker 1: employer people taking pleasure real Maine. So this is fun.
Speaker 1: This just came out today, Yeah, reading out a Broadway
Speaker 1: World geno seegers won't be joining Hadestown after all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just days after it was announced that Disney star whatever
Speaker 1: his name is, would join Hadestown along with other cast
Speaker 1: changes in September, the production has announced that he will
Speaker 1: no longer be joining the show. The announcement of his
Speaker 1: casting was met with a backlash from fans of the
Speaker 1: show YEP, after viewing the performer's past statements on transgender
Speaker 1: people and other social issues. YEP. He had previously posted
Speaker 1: YouTube videos now deleted, targeting the transgender community, including video
Speaker 1: titles such as trans Fairness and no More Trans.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, motherfucker, you want to be going Broadway?
Speaker 1: I know right of all places. A short statement reads,
Speaker 1: the producers of Hadestown and Geno Seegers have mutually agreed
Speaker 1: that mister Siegers will no longer join the Broadway production.
Speaker 1: Additional casting will be announced shortly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was supposed to play Hades.
Speaker 1: Yeah hm he was. Hell now yeah, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: fuck around and find out. Okay, yep, good good, I
Speaker 1: got not good.
Speaker 2: Good, sorry about it. Yeah, I would have watched your mouth.
Speaker 1: You should have. You should have and and the Internet
Speaker 1: is forever friend.
Speaker 2: So you know, I know, think before you hit sin people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I thank you Broadway for being Broadway in
Speaker 1: that part, yeah, because because that would be ridiculous, and
Speaker 1: you know, just nip it in the bud, which they did, yeah,
Speaker 1: which they did. So an anti transactivist what a title
Speaker 1: lied about a trans athlete injuring cis women because that's
Speaker 1: almost always a lie, right and they spelled it like anyway.
Speaker 1: Now she has to pay the price. Kirilee Smith admitted
Speaker 1: in court she didn't have any evidence to back up
Speaker 1: her claim about a trans woman injuring to SIS women.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, this is Australia. And she lost her appeal
Speaker 1: on an unlawful vilification ruling. So now she has to
Speaker 1: pay ninety five thousand dollars in damages and to issue
Speaker 1: a public apology to the two trans women she targeted.
Speaker 2: Good, exactly good.
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of liars.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Really she is actually the CEO of the anti LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus organization Binary Australia. Shut the fucko. And she posted
Speaker 1: pictures in twenty twenty three of Riley Dennis, a trans woman,
Speaker 1: playing on a semi pro soccer team in New South Wales,
Speaker 1: the state that includes Sydney. She claimed that Dennis was
Speaker 1: a man appropriating womanhood and that she had injured two
Speaker 1: SIS women during a match so badly that they were
Speaker 1: both hospitalized. The claim wasn't true, and Smith would later
Speaker 1: admit in court that she had no evidence for the
Speaker 1: claim and couldn't even say when or where it supposedly
Speaker 1: happened or who the injured women were. I didn't injure anyone,
Speaker 1: I didn't hospitalize anyone, Dennis told the local news. Smith
Speaker 1: also posted on Twitter in twenty twenty three that she
Speaker 1: wanted men to help her with the bloke playing on
Speaker 1: the women's team. Oh please and ignorant con Shortly after,
Speaker 1: she traveled to an area on the coast with a
Speaker 1: group of men impersonating trans women. Aren't they clever now,
Speaker 1: according to the Guardian, and had them play soccer while
Speaker 1: she filmed them in order to mock trans women. This
Speaker 1: is what she does with her one life. Yeah. Men
Speaker 1: started showing up to Dennis's games and posting footage of
Speaker 1: her on social media, and Dennis told the court that
Speaker 1: she feared for her safety. Of course, she did quote
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I just felt like there were
Speaker 1: one thousand eyes on me, that every move that I
Speaker 1: made was going to be so scrutinized. Dennis noted that
Speaker 1: she wasn't able to get a spot in the same
Speaker 1: league the next season. She believes that was because of
Speaker 1: all the attention on her. Right, teams knew that if
Speaker 1: I was signed onto their team that it would come
Speaker 1: with all this negative attention and it would be a
Speaker 1: political statement that they were making, which I understand and
Speaker 1: I don't want that for any team. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I'm not trying to be a political statement, right.
Speaker 1: We don't generally set out to be just want to
Speaker 1: play the goddamn game. For some reason, a court issued
Speaker 1: a restraining order against Smith in February of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: She appealed, she lost. The judge at the time noted
Speaker 1: that Smith's behavior was objectively threatening and disturbing. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Later in twenty twenty five, a court found Smith's guilty
Speaker 1: of unlawful vilification. The judge also rejected Smith's defense that
Speaker 1: she was engaged in political speech, noting that Smith misgendered
Speaker 1: and attacked Dennis in bad faith. Smith appealed and she
Speaker 1: just lost that appeal. Q News reports that the appeals
Speaker 1: judge made some small changes to the original verdict, but
Speaker 1: kept the finding and the ninety five thousand dollars fine
Speaker 1: in place. Smith and Binary Australia will also be required
Speaker 1: to publish a court approved apology that must remain pinned
Speaker 1: on their social media channels for three months.
Speaker 2: Ha ha, that's what you get. That's what you get.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They always have to make shit up to make
Speaker 2: their little points.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love it when common sense and justice Actually
Speaker 1: when yep, and that's going to be pinned to their ugly,
Speaker 1: foul lying probably website for three months. And that's what
Speaker 1: we call shine employer people taking pleasure real name.
Speaker 2: Yay. I'll take whatever we can get.
Speaker 1: So before we take a break, I already know the
Speaker 1: answer to this question, but would you like to share
Speaker 1: a fifteen minute phase? I would? What you guy?
Speaker 2: So, the fabulous and wonderful Spilata, Yes, who already has
Speaker 2: a song on the fifteen minute phase playlist, has got
Speaker 2: another one because he released another song. I'm sensing a trend.
Speaker 1: I am too. I don't if he thought about you
Speaker 1: when I released sharing anyway.
Speaker 2: So the song is called Haiku and it is upbeat
Speaker 2: and jazzy and klubby. And my favorite thing is that
Speaker 2: each verse, and there are many, each verse of this
Speaker 2: song is in what form haiku? It's true. Haiku is
Speaker 2: the Japanese style of poetry where there are three lines.
Speaker 2: The first one is five syllables, the second is seven syllables,
Speaker 2: and then the third is five syllables. Yep, it's I
Speaker 2: love Haiku's It's very specific. You have to be very
Speaker 2: intentional about the words that you choose. And he he
Speaker 2: did his thing.
Speaker 1: It's adorable. It is, it's adorable. We are going to
Speaker 1: go out to the break with Haiku by Spilata, right
Speaker 1: because you know, you know we'll be right.
Speaker 3: Black time to make some art thought. I put it
Speaker 3: in jazz simply for the class Haiku. Me. I'm Spilata,
Speaker 3: the one you've been waiting for. Here to give you
Speaker 3: more haiku. Time to cleanse the vibe. Get this music
Speaker 3: back in line. It's been on deep by haiku. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I went viral one share, darling. Then it flew thank
Speaker 3: you miss Badu haiku.
Speaker 1: Hiko m hm, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: The entire song was in haiku. It's true. Well, okay, fun,
Speaker 1: that was fun.
Speaker 2: It gave me an idea for a little creative project.
Speaker 1: Okay, loving Spilada once again. Oh yeah, we should chat
Speaker 1: with them one day. Yeah, you should have a kiki.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna hit him up and let him know
Speaker 2: that he made the fifteen minute fave again.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, do it. But it's time for the cavalcade. Nonsense.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, we don't have to do anything but die,
Speaker 1: and I guess pay taxes.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely don't want to pay taxes. I don't
Speaker 1: like where my tax dollars are going at all, and
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm getting much representation these days, right,
Speaker 1: and didn't we I don't know, dump stuff into the
Speaker 1: water for nowurisation without representation.
Speaker 2: And now that non representation is dumping other stuff in
Speaker 2: the water.
Speaker 1: Funny that it was tea. So that's where do we
Speaker 1: start here. There was a deadly Berlin Pride attack which
Speaker 1: we know of. The suspect was killed in a confrontation
Speaker 1: with police. The mess left one person dead by twenty
Speaker 1: nine injured and he was shot and killed by police
Speaker 1: and during a confrontation in a suburb of the city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was killed following a search that lasted nearly twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. He had previously sought to join the militant
Speaker 1: Islamic State.
Speaker 2: Group, which they loved to latch onto.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He is suspected of driving a van into a
Speaker 1: crowd near Berlin's Pride festival Saturday night, before apparently stabbing
Speaker 1: others with a machete. Jesus in what authorities believe was
Speaker 1: an Islamic extremist terror attack, saying is the nonsense part? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean good that they got him, that it happened,
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus Christ. These people have no life, for real,
Speaker 1: How do we get them? One spend like the next one,
Speaker 1: you know, what I like.
Speaker 2: You spend so much time focusing on things that have
Speaker 2: nothing to do with you, then you have to make
Speaker 2: up a whole like scenario to justify all the time
Speaker 2: in brain space you've been attributing to it, and then
Speaker 2: you make it more important than it is. And then
Speaker 2: this is what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am hmm, that's all. I got much else news.
Speaker 1: Now it happened. It sucked. They killed the dudes who
Speaker 1: drove the van, and that was that. Yeah, So let's
Speaker 1: look about Michelle Visage.
Speaker 2: So Michelle Visage has been the face of prep education
Speaker 2: for at least the better part of this past year.
Speaker 1: It's being the face of prep. I just never mind.
Speaker 1: That's why I said education.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, she's been doing commercials for a good
Speaker 2: minute of seeing them on Pluto TV, right, and she
Speaker 2: has a new one, and you know she never mentions
Speaker 2: HIV sex any of that.
Speaker 1: She actually doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's for people that need to know, and you know
Speaker 2: what prep is if you need to know.
Speaker 1: However, however, one million Moms is about thirty seven frigid
Speaker 1: bitches raising.
Speaker 2: But that's not alliterative.
Speaker 1: So you can't really blame them because their husband thins
Speaker 1: are gay, which explains so much. And they're fucking each other.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think they started a new gym. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they're raging more on that later over campaign urging people
Speaker 1: to educate themselves about the HIV prevention medication long acting
Speaker 1: injectable prep. Yes, they aired the commercial on TV Land, right,
Speaker 1: which you know, aren't they the ones they rebroadcast like
Speaker 1: all the fifties and sixties wholesome sitcoms, that whole thing
Speaker 1: and so all of these chad wives, you know, addicts.
Speaker 1: They declared is no place for edgy programming. First, the
Speaker 1: only think edgy is Michelle's wig, which is a bit much.
Speaker 2: I will say, wait till they hear about almost all
Speaker 2: the actors who played the husbands on those shows.
Speaker 1: God, I know both, It's true both Darren's Darren's every
Speaker 1: uncle on The Witched, the Brady Bond anyway, I guess
Speaker 1: because it features Michelle Vissage.
Speaker 2: They automatically associate her with faggotry.
Speaker 1: Which kids aren't that busy though, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: their kids are. God, these people, I want them to
Speaker 1: have a life. I want them to marry straight men
Speaker 1: who want to fuck them. I just I want them
Speaker 1: to have more right, so they'll leave us the fuck alone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it doesn't even mention sex or HIV specifically.
Speaker 1: It assumes the viewer already knows the basic concept right
Speaker 1: of long acting injectable prep. Vissage merely explains the kinds
Speaker 1: of questions folks interested in taking the medication should ask
Speaker 1: their doctors.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so one million Moms believes that children who
Speaker 2: see the ad will be immediately corrupted. First of all,
Speaker 2: they would be.
Speaker 1: What are they talking about, mommy?
Speaker 2: And how do I get some? Right? They would be educated,
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Correct juice bop candy?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine what SA right? Can you imagine what
Speaker 2: goes through the mind of a child, tween or teen
Speaker 2: when seeing this ad? A parent never expects to discuss it.
Speaker 1: I have to pee, I want some popcorn? Right, it's
Speaker 1: a commercial.
Speaker 2: A parent never expects to discuss sexuality or homo sexuality
Speaker 2: while sitting at home enjoying family time. Maybe not in
Speaker 2: your house is on the website. Ironically, there are acronym
Speaker 2: spells oh, which is funny because these bitches need to
Speaker 2: relax they do. It then asks people to sign a
Speaker 2: petition to TV Land stating that the ad is unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Around seven thousand people have signed I am extremely disappointed
Speaker 2: that TV Land is currently airing commercials for prep Wisdom,
Speaker 2: a campaign targeting the prevention of HIV through sexual activity.
Speaker 2: The petition states these inappropriate ads are highly irresponsible.
Speaker 1: Now they're actually responsible exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like, think about what you're saying, how dare you
Speaker 2: try and save lives?
Speaker 1: And maybe just maybe they're trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to reach your husband well, and they thought maybe he
Speaker 1: was sitting there watching tv Land with you rather than
Speaker 1: out fucking his boyfriend, so they tried it. I mean,
Speaker 1: public health is really their number one concern, just saying
Speaker 1: how do we reach the down low?
Speaker 2: I was just thinking of when we were watching Ain't Misbehaving,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking of the song. Find out what
Speaker 2: they like and how they like it, and let them
Speaker 2: have it just that way. So in this case that
Speaker 2: would be pegging.
Speaker 1: At least, But sometimes they just want to you know.
Speaker 2: This stick on mustache itches.
Speaker 1: It's not the same as when Haraldo does.
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to find a lifelike mask
Speaker 2: of Mateo Lane.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you're too hippy and too lippy, and you
Speaker 1: don't swallow, which is probably why Michelle Visage's presence upsets
Speaker 1: you to such a degree. Oh my god, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess that's why they put it on TV Land.
Speaker 1: I can't think of another reason. I guess Hoppy wasn't
Speaker 1: home watching with you. I no, No, If your man
Speaker 1: gets gets all sweaty and gets up and leaves in
Speaker 1: a huff, it's not because he's offended by Michelle.
Speaker 2: No, it's not like that. Reminds me, I'm running low.
Speaker 1: That was close to home one minute.
Speaker 2: I got to run to the store and get a
Speaker 2: pack of cigarettes. I'll be back in an hour and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: As if those men have sex responsibly. Oh good god. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so the Right, here's here's our theme, making shit up, eh,
Speaker 1: Because boy don't they the right is so hungry for
Speaker 1: anti trans stories, is that they're turning to AI to
Speaker 1: make them up.
Speaker 2: So now we're balluting the water with our nonsense.
Speaker 1: All the fish are dying because you have to make
Speaker 1: shut up. Several non stories that portray trans people in
Speaker 1: a negative light have gone viral in the past several weeks,
Speaker 1: and others were completely fabricated.
Speaker 2: It's not even good AI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've been ginning our patriot against trans people
Speaker 1: for years, as we know, in order to pass bands
Speaker 1: on sports and gender. Anything but the Epstein Files, anything
Speaker 1: but them. What the what is this show I was
Speaker 1: just watching on on on Hulu Betrayal, Betrayal. I mean
Speaker 1: it's all the married Christian CIS white men who did
Speaker 1: Ale kids. Yep, they even have a TV show to
Speaker 1: tell you what's going on now. But yeah, let's fuck
Speaker 1: with the trans people. So anyway, the people who are
Speaker 1: doing that are are using AI to create fiction, because
Speaker 1: that's all they got. The right clearly wants people to
Speaker 1: get angry, dropping words like creepy into their stories about
Speaker 1: them and complaining about taxpayer dollars going toward woke, even
Speaker 1: if their arguments about the funding make little sense.
Speaker 2: Wait they did they used woke as a noun.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They want people to be mad at
Speaker 1: trans people, even though there is not much left to
Speaker 1: get mad about. War on woke. Well, these recent stories
Speaker 1: all have in common another thing. It's that they're not news.
Speaker 2: Woke is not a now.
Speaker 1: They don't involve anyone being harmed, they don't involve elected
Speaker 1: officials or celebrities. They're not even originating in local news
Speaker 1: sources that might be interested in them because they tell
Speaker 1: locals about events happening around them. Several originated in UK media,
Speaker 1: and we're almost immediately picked up by us outts hungry
Speaker 1: for something to be mad about. Isn't that that should
Speaker 1: just be their campaigns? Well, they are literally creating shit
Speaker 1: to be mad about. Sometimes there's an AI watermark, but
Speaker 1: sometimes there isn't. It is unclear how much of an
Speaker 1: appetite the public has for this sort of hate propaganda.
Speaker 1: The public has made it clear that they just plane
Speaker 1: don't think about trans people as much as Republicans do. No,
Speaker 1: they don't, we don't, even for Christ's sake. Surveys have
Speaker 1: shown that while voters aren't supportive of trans rates across
Speaker 1: the board, their votes are unlikely to be swayed by
Speaker 1: translates issues. More on that later anyway. Anyway, it's just
Speaker 1: frustrating because this is what they do. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: what they do. They're creating videos for people to get
Speaker 1: mad at so they can get mad at trans people,
Speaker 1: so that they can join the fight against people that
Speaker 1: are harming you. So you don't pay attention to Billy Bob,
Speaker 1: your son's coach, who By the way.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of that meme where it's a
Speaker 2: picture of a kid screaming with a boot on his neck,
Speaker 2: and then it zooms out and he's got his own
Speaker 2: hand in the boot, pressing it into his own neck.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, that one. I love that one. It's
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: It's a metaphor.
Speaker 1: It's like the keep going Christian food bank shelves are
Speaker 1: empty right after a pastor rejects supplies from LGBTQ plus allies.
Speaker 1: This pisses me off. Yeah, really, A West Virginia food
Speaker 1: bank shelves are bear after refusing supplies from organizations that
Speaker 1: are allegedly part of the gay rights movement because they
Speaker 1: support LGBTQ plus. People starve them, right, they would rather
Speaker 1: people starve that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, because Jesus loves you.
Speaker 1: Or something. Wait, this is a quote. Wait. Wait to
Speaker 1: let you know. The reason why we're in this position
Speaker 1: is because I done some research. I made the phone calls.
Speaker 1: I talked to the proper people, said pastor Alvin Christian
Speaker 1: really in a sense deleted Facebook live video, are y'all
Speaker 1: tied in or partners with LGBQT whatever.
Speaker 2: I knew that wasn't going and they said yes.
Speaker 1: I'd done some more research and they said yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: that was still him. I'd done some more research and
Speaker 1: found out that they are part of the gay rights movement.
Speaker 1: He runs the Gods store House food bank in Bluefield,
Speaker 1: West Virginia, poorly, which until recently was serving over eight
Speaker 1: hundred families daily and eight thousand unique families every month
Speaker 1: across four Virginia and West Virginia counties. But in a
Speaker 1: video which was archived by another Facebook user, Christian shows bearshells,
Speaker 1: he notes that he's had a lot of messages and
Speaker 1: a lot of concerns wondering when and why we haven't
Speaker 1: given out food. As you can see, our cupboards are empty,
Speaker 1: our frasers are empty. We have nothing in the warehouse
Speaker 1: as far as food wise as of this.
Speaker 2: Moment, because but fuck them faggots though.
Speaker 1: Because it was dick sucking food, we don't use that.
Speaker 2: It sticks to your tonsils.
Speaker 1: He makes a clear connection between his face and his
Speaker 1: decision to reject food supplies from organizations that support the
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus community. Well as a man of God and
Speaker 1: standing in face with God, I refuse to receive food
Speaker 1: from anybody that is tied into that. I make a
Speaker 1: stand right here, right now. That's why we haven't had
Speaker 1: no food here in a while, because I will not
Speaker 1: be part of a gay rights movement. Because the America
Speaker 1: is partnered up. Feeding America's the group with them, and
Speaker 1: I will not be with them. Feeding America is a nonprofit,
Speaker 1: nationwide network of food banks that tried to give this
Speaker 1: jerk off food. He then goes as far as to
Speaker 1: call gay people an abomination, the ones who tried to
Speaker 1: offer food. I refuse to be tied to something of
Speaker 1: that nature. That's totally an abomination against God.
Speaker 2: God said to feed the hungry.
Speaker 1: I no, he missed that part well. He appears to
Speaker 1: be punishing the local needy because of the perceived sin
Speaker 1: of his supplier. He wants to make it clear that
Speaker 1: he does not discriminate. Now hear this. I will not
Speaker 1: turn anybody away. You've got no food, Jack, guess. I
Speaker 1: will not discriminate against anybody.
Speaker 2: I will be honest.
Speaker 1: I will love you the same, I will pray for you.
Speaker 1: I will give you food if I got it.
Speaker 2: But it don't, butter don't because I'm a dickhead.
Speaker 1: The fuck.
Speaker 2: I can't even call it logic.
Speaker 1: There is none. There is none. Yeah, he is searching
Speaker 1: for a new food supplier who is not associated with
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus people. Much of that hope seems to rest
Speaker 1: on God handling it for him. Capis in your prayers.
Speaker 1: Pray that God will open another door because the food
Speaker 1: belongs to him anyway. Well, then why didn't you accept it?
Speaker 1: If it belongs to God anyone, sweetie, why not take
Speaker 1: it and feed people, which is the only fucking reason
Speaker 1: you exist in the first goddamn place. You're a food
Speaker 1: Oh my God.
Speaker 2: Cut to two months when everyone wants a dick in
Speaker 2: their mill because at least it's something, because they're so hungry.
Speaker 1: It's protein. Oh my God. Always remember all you need
Speaker 1: is faith in God. I hope you starve to Oh
Speaker 1: they will. I hope he does. I hope he does.
Speaker 2: We'll see who means it.
Speaker 1: Sad for the people that were counting on his ministry,
Speaker 1: which is clearly conditional. I thought the whole Christian thing
Speaker 1: was supposed to be unconditional. Jesus the worst.
Speaker 2: Well, you better hope that whoever makes the aspirin doesn't
Speaker 2: support the lgbdkeys.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't care. I hope they do. I mean
Speaker 1: I want gay aspirin.
Speaker 2: There's an anal option.
Speaker 1: I won't pay sexual ibuprofen.
Speaker 2: Oh god, it cures everything.
Speaker 1: And in case you were wondering, once again, why we
Speaker 1: say stay away from hobby Lobby, they're funding the latest
Speaker 1: push to end marriage equality, Thank you very much. Conservatives
Speaker 1: announced a new campaign in January to end marriage rights
Speaker 1: for same sex couples. It turns out it's getting money
Speaker 1: from Hobby Lobby's founder, a group of forty seven anti
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus organizations. They organize around us, around hating us.
Speaker 1: That is what they organize around, Like, really, people, you
Speaker 1: need a better hobby. The campaign, called Greater Than a
Speaker 1: response to the push for equality by claiming that straight
Speaker 1: people are greater than queer people. Oh know, they immediately
Speaker 1: got the media's attention. The Seattle Times has revealed that
Speaker 1: a key organization behind the Greater Than campaign is being
Speaker 1: funded by the conservative Christian business Hobby Lobby, the same
Speaker 1: business that got the Supreme Court to rule in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen that for profit corporations don't have to pay for
Speaker 1: employees healthcare that covers contraception if that contraception goes against
Speaker 1: the corporation's religious beliefs. K Faust is the founder and
Speaker 1: president of them before US, an organization devoted to ending
Speaker 1: marriage rights for same sex couples in the US. Faust's
Speaker 1: mother is a lesbian who came out after marrying Faust's father,
Speaker 1: and her parents divorced when she was ten, So we
Speaker 1: have longand daughter.
Speaker 2: The fact that her name is Faust is so ironic.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: She converted to Christianity of years later, when she was
Speaker 1: in high school. She insists that she didn't devote her
Speaker 1: life to attacking al rights out of some kind of
Speaker 1: resentment towards her mother. Yeah, yeah, did, although she now
Speaker 1: says she no longer considers her mother a parent. Of course,
Speaker 1: you don't. She's been campaigning against marriage rights since at
Speaker 1: least twenty twelve, when she started a blog called ask
Speaker 1: the Bigot. Oh It's funny gets you? Oh, I get it.
Speaker 1: A website she claimed would the notion that marriage rights
Speaker 1: opponents are bigots.
Speaker 2: But your Yeah, I know, but now I have a headache.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. She saw an opportunity for a renewed push
Speaker 1: after the Supreme Court overturned federal reproduction rates protections guaranteed
Speaker 1: and Rovy Wade in twenty twenty two, and this recent
Speaker 1: push is getting more funding than before US was founded
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. SIRS report shows that it received less
Speaker 1: than fifty thousand revenue for its first few years of
Speaker 1: operation before Rowe was overturned. In twenty twenty two, it
Speaker 1: received two hundred thousand and twenty twenty four that became
Speaker 1: nearly a million, and Foust collected a salary of one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five thousand dollars then before US. This
Speaker 1: filing show with three hundred thousand dollars donation from the
Speaker 1: Servant Foundation, a Christian organization funded by Hobby Lobby's founder
Speaker 1: David Green and his family.
Speaker 2: Oh it's the same organization behind those he gets us
Speaker 2: ads about Jesus that ran during the twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: and five I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 1: Oh Hobby Lobby. Oh my god, in part Hobby Lobby.
Speaker 1: How's that? Yeah? So, oh my god, I knew it.
Speaker 1: Go to Michael's for Christ's sake. Yes, go to Michaels.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Now I need one of them. Queerbew profens,
Speaker 2: because say I.
Speaker 1: Need here too. I am this bitch, Fouls claims that
Speaker 1: marriage equality has made children's lives worse, contrary to what
Speaker 1: social science says on the matter.
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't go for that fancy book right now.
Speaker 1: She's Saturday March, uncloseted media interview that there is no
Speaker 1: right to adopt, but that children have a natural right
Speaker 1: to be known and loved by their mother and father,
Speaker 1: even if daddy loves them in inappropriate ways. I just
Speaker 1: I add at that part, I hate them the stupid
Speaker 1: it burns. Yeah. Democratic Ohio governor candidate Amy Acton scheduled
Speaker 1: a meeting with LGBTQ plus advocates and then didn't show up.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, she kicked out trans people
Speaker 1: who did. The meeting was supposed to be Acting's way
Speaker 1: of making up for calling trans girls boys. This is
Speaker 1: the Democrat. This is the Democrat running for governor. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: she has seen her relationship with a queer community go
Speaker 1: from bad to catastrophic. Weeks after she endorsed a transgender
Speaker 1: sports ban and called transgender girls boys. The fallout has
Speaker 1: been intense. The Ohio Democratic Party forced its own Progressive
Speaker 1: and Pride caucuses to delete their criticism. Really, yeah, the party.
Speaker 1: This is July nineteenth, banned criticism of Amy Acting calling
Speaker 1: trans girls boys wow, wow wow. She declared she would
Speaker 1: enforce Ohio sports ban, which she cast as a matter
Speaker 1: of fairness and kids health and safely the fuck up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she sounds like Gavin Newsom. The rebuke from her own
Speaker 1: party was severe. The Ohio Democrats Progressive Caucus, an official
Speaker 1: advisory group of the state party, issued a blistering, pagelong statement,
Speaker 1: declaring that its members were now less willing to door
Speaker 1: knock for her before the post puzzling vanished shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: prompting days of questions about why criticism of Actin's anti
Speaker 1: transtance had been scrubbed. After prodding by Erin in the morning,
Speaker 1: the caucus revealed the answer. The Ohio Democratic Party itself
Speaker 1: demanded the criticism be removed, effectively barring those within the
Speaker 1: party from publicly critiquing a major candidate's transphobia. I hate
Speaker 1: it here, so do I. So this was the meeting
Speaker 1: where I guess we're all gonna make nice, which I
Speaker 1: don't see how you do. I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was a zoom meeting, was it?
Speaker 1: Let me say? A meeting? The campaign promised would begin
Speaker 1: repairing the damage, instead further inflame tensions inside. Sources who
Speaker 1: have gone public now say the listening session was a debacle.
Speaker 1: Actin did not show up. Her campaign manager barred Arian Childream,
Speaker 1: vice chair of the party's Pride Caucus, a transgender candidate
Speaker 1: for the Ohio House, and Ohio's first openly trans city
Speaker 1: council member, from even entering the zoom call okay, so
Speaker 1: shouldn't let her in where they didn't. When another advocate
Speaker 1: demanding to know why Childrey was barred, she was ejected.
Speaker 1: The chair of the Progressive Caucus, Kim McCarthy, was locked
Speaker 1: in the waiting room during the entire listening session, and
Speaker 1: in the end, the campaign ultimately refused to apologize for
Speaker 1: calling trans girls boys, refused to retract Acton's support for
Speaker 1: a transgender sports ban, and ended the meeting with no
Speaker 1: plans for what comes next.
Speaker 2: So they were just doing it because they were told
Speaker 2: to do something. They had no plan to do anything
Speaker 2: progressive or have any solutions.
Speaker 1: Or Childre said, myself and a number of other LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus leaders were refused entry into a meeting we had
Speaker 1: been invited to attend. One trans advocate, Sarah Keaton, was
Speaker 1: booted from the meeting entirely just for pointing out the
Speaker 1: campaign's refusal to allow transleaders into the room when we
Speaker 1: were digitally locked out. It took the chair of the
Speaker 1: Pride Caucus calling my personal phone and putting me on
Speaker 1: live speakerphone inside the room just for my voice to
Speaker 1: be heard. According to notes obtained from a source who
Speaker 1: attended the meeting, the session opened with a blow Dwayne
Speaker 1: Steward of Equality Ohio reading what appeared to be a
Speaker 1: prepared statement announcing the organization was rescinding Acton's a rating
Speaker 1: on its LGBTQ Plus candidate scorecard. This is not about punishment,
Speaker 1: but partnership, he said. Harm has been done. Attacking trans
Speaker 1: people isn't just wrong, it is a losing strategy and
Speaker 1: it is idiot. From there, the meeting devolved. Multiple attendees
Speaker 1: demandaged to know why Childry had been barred from an
Speaker 1: event about the LGBTQ plus community. Campaign manager Philip Stein
Speaker 1: responded only that the meeting was mostly a space we
Speaker 1: want to listen to the folks that we picked here.
Speaker 1: When pressed on why the event, I swear to christ
Speaker 1: and they're not Republicans. A oh my god. When pressed
Speaker 1: on why the event had been titled a conversation rather
Speaker 1: than a one way listening session. Stein conceded that running
Speaker 1: this kind of meeting was not his area of expertise,
Speaker 1: and that he could only apologize for the way that
Speaker 1: the event was titled, So it was never meant to
Speaker 1: be a conversation, you dirty bitches. In the aftermath of
Speaker 1: the meeting, multiple attendees went public with their accounts say
Speaker 1: I was shocked. I could not have prepared myself for
Speaker 1: the sheer contempt the campaign's staff demonstrated toward Pride and
Speaker 1: Progressive Caucus leaders and the hundreds of grassroots constituents we
Speaker 1: represent when they kicked the Pride Caucus vice chairwoman from
Speaker 1: the meeting without a chance to speak. It was as
Speaker 1: shocking as watching a friend be physically assaulted in front
Speaker 1: of me. I mean, when they retaliated against our trans
Speaker 1: rights advocate for the crime of demanding an explanation. I
Speaker 1: was forced to abandon hope of rationalizing the original Act
Speaker 1: and recognized it for what it was, intentional targeted suppression
Speaker 1: of minorities, a preview into a future act, and administration
Speaker 1: drunk with power, unbeholden to the people, believe you know,
Speaker 1: believing behind closed doors it is safe to shed its sheepskin.
Speaker 1: Well you know what, ooh, you know what, Republicans are
Speaker 1: not going to reward her for baseline levels of transphobia.
Speaker 1: The Republican opponement, I believe, will run ads against her
Speaker 1: when any number of trans issues regardless. What this anti
Speaker 1: trans turn does is depressed turnout among Ohio's LGBTQ plus
Speaker 1: voters and allies in a race separated by less than
Speaker 1: a single percentage point. She's cutting her own throat.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Republican is going to win in Ohio. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's guaranteed it. So I don't you know, I wonder
Speaker 1: if that was the plan all along? Yeah? Yeah, she
Speaker 1: has given Ohios LGBTQ plus community every reason to believe
Speaker 1: that she would govern exactly the way her campaign has
Speaker 1: conducted itself, with the people she claims to represent locked
Speaker 1: in the waiting room. There you go. So that's why
Speaker 1: I was going to have a Republican governor. Yep, because
Speaker 1: the Democrats not a Democrat.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: And she shot herself in the foot yep, God damn it.
Speaker 1: So I want to wrap up with those one oh
Speaker 1: mega men are fleeing women for all male gyms, and
Speaker 1: somehow calling it straight was in the Advocate. Apparently working
Speaker 1: out next to women is so tempting. These guys just
Speaker 1: have to pack into the sauna together tempting. Didn't we
Speaker 1: call these bathhouses?
Speaker 2: I know I did. I'm like, this is not a
Speaker 2: new idea. Who wants to tell them? I suspect they
Speaker 2: already know.
Speaker 1: One of the most commonplaces affairs and infidelity begin is
Speaker 1: the gym. Uh huh. God called meet to create a
Speaker 1: different kind of space where men can grow stronger physically
Speaker 1: and spiritually without the distractions of lust and temptation. Uh huh, yes,
Speaker 1: because Christian men famously never succumbed to luster or temptation
Speaker 1: for men, especially not at the gym.
Speaker 2: Mommy daddy goes to the gym twice a day every day.
Speaker 2: How come he still has a gut and no ass
Speaker 2: I know his next getting bigger though? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Wow? Oh god?
Speaker 2: Oh shit?
Speaker 1: And why does the echo when he want.
Speaker 2: How did you learn that, lady Gagasa?
Speaker 1: I swear I read something right after that that like
Speaker 1: they've already you know, banned some members for you know.
Speaker 2: Fucking in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, yeah, this is like, it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: It really really is fucking hilarious. It really really is.
Speaker 1: As grinder goes off, and you know, come one, boys, uh,
Speaker 1: this is the logic they use O ship.
Speaker 2: You know what I want to do?
Speaker 1: This is it?
Speaker 2: I think I want to start like I want to
Speaker 2: get the grinder notification sound just isolated and just walk
Speaker 2: into a room full of men and just play at
Speaker 2: once and see how many people check their phone.
Speaker 1: Right, it's a thing. It's a thing. Oh yeah, they maga.
Speaker 1: Men are creating bath houses for themselves to the temptation
Speaker 1: of women, which they do anyway because they hate women.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, by and large and many of them are
Speaker 1: not anyway anyway, that's happening.
Speaker 2: It's happening, yo, bro, what Jim do you go to
Speaker 2: the white swallow?
Speaker 1: Let's just I can't. I can't do it anymore. Take
Speaker 1: another break. We'll be right back and we'll cleanse ballets. Please,
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2: Oh so they're canceling wonder Man, like season two is
Speaker 2: not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a wonder Man.
Speaker 2: Wonder Man was great. It starred Yahya abdul Matine the
Speaker 2: second and uh, you've seen his penis? Have I? Yes?
Speaker 1: I enjoy Watchman.
Speaker 2: Yes, remember the blue Dude, the naked blue dude with Regina.
Speaker 1: King saw his dick kind of yeah, trust me. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of dick and my.
Speaker 2: Dad passed three hundred.
Speaker 1: Well, this was like five years ago. I only remember
Speaker 1: the one I need to remember. Well that's good a
Speaker 1: married woman.
Speaker 2: Man, good answer.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that wonder Man got canceled. I'm mad,
Speaker 2: but I'm not surprised because no, he was not. Okay,
Speaker 2: wonder Man was about like it's.
Speaker 1: There is no season two, there is no season too.
Speaker 2: Wonder Man. The care briefly about, right, is he's a character.
Speaker 2: He has like this superpower where like he can release
Speaker 2: this energy from his body whenever he like gets stressed,
Speaker 2: he can like just release any like explode shit. And
Speaker 2: so the the theme of this series was basically he
Speaker 2: was an actor who was trying to like make his
Speaker 2: way in Hollywood mm hm, as a black man who
Speaker 2: wanted to like have loftier roles than just like you know,
Speaker 2: hood number three on the left right, you know. And
Speaker 2: he was classically trained and he like really like cared
Speaker 2: about the process and everything, but he was trying to
Speaker 2: keep his powers a secret because there was this rule
Speaker 2: in Hollywood that you can't have superpowers because this one
Speaker 2: dude fucked it up for everyone. So it was like
Speaker 2: this interesting character study about a young actor trying to
Speaker 2: like make it in Hollywood and trying to get his
Speaker 2: big break and like his family getting tired of him saying,
Speaker 2: my big break is coming. It's coming. I swear. I
Speaker 2: know you're tired of paying for shit, but I swear
Speaker 2: it's coming. Like it was all this was happening.
Speaker 1: And it's not coming now.
Speaker 2: And it ended on a cliffhanger that yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was like there was a glimmer of like hope and
Speaker 2: and that's kind of how I knew that it was.
Speaker 2: I was like, if this makes it to season two,
Speaker 2: I will be thrilled and surprised. Okay, it was a
Speaker 2: different kind of I didn't It was a different kind
Speaker 2: of role for yah yah, and I was really enjoyed people.
Speaker 2: Some people said it was boring, okay, and I get
Speaker 2: it in that if you're looking for a traditional superhero
Speaker 2: story where like it's flashing lights and people blowing shit
Speaker 2: up in big fights. It's not that it's not. It
Speaker 2: wasn't meant to be there. You had to like pay
Speaker 2: attention and shit right there. I know, but I thought
Speaker 2: it was interesting. I wasn't the only one. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's a shame they love to act shit. That's good. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: there's like eight seasons of shit on Netflix that you
Speaker 2: didn't even know was a thing until like season eight
Speaker 2: premiering on Wednesday, and you're like, what the fuck what?
Speaker 2: I never heard of this before.
Speaker 1: There's lots I haven't heard of it didn't wonder man, No,
Speaker 1: idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I liked it well, I was only watching it on
Speaker 2: my lunch breaks at work, so I never like actually
Speaker 2: talked to you about it. That was then, But it's
Speaker 2: a shame.
Speaker 1: One glimmer of hope came out of Cat's The Angelical Ball.
Speaker 1: They are releasing a cast album, yes, through Atlantic Records,
Speaker 1: because that we were mentioning of all the things that
Speaker 1: they haven't done or won't get to do, it was
Speaker 1: one of them. So that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy about that.
Speaker 1: I am too.
Speaker 2: Were don't play the fuck out of that because I
Speaker 2: am Those children sang their faces off, and I swear
Speaker 2: to god, if they have the interlude where the one
Speaker 2: kid goes I thought it was cud I will fall over.
Speaker 1: We'll gon find out.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use it as my text message notification.
Speaker 1: And final performance is still Saturday, August Ay. Yep, married everyone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: marred everyone.
Speaker 2: But I saw a video of of the cast members
Speaker 2: expressing their excitement over the fact that they're going to
Speaker 2: get to do this cast album.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, sure, I love it. So The Vampireless it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we finished this the season of The Vampireless thatat
Speaker 2: what did you think.
Speaker 1: It sucks?
Speaker 2: Same m hm. I'm excited now because they're going to
Speaker 2: come back with the Queen of the Damned.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's returning, we think, right something Yeah, Queen
Speaker 1: of the Damned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited and that's gonna be some ship because
Speaker 2: that's when a Kasha goes rip shit riot ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when it gets good good Okay.
Speaker 2: But I am grateful to the Vampireless that for providing
Speaker 2: a wonderful soundtrack, right, because that music was good, well,
Speaker 2: most of that music was good. It was the first
Speaker 2: couple of songs. I was like, what is this bullshit?
Speaker 1: But no, some of it was really good, really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's over for now. This is all you.
Speaker 2: Oh, for fuck's sake. So the big thing with RuPaul's
Speaker 2: drag race down Under versus the world, so Australia, so
Speaker 2: it's like the Australian Queens versus like the other franchises,
Speaker 2: and raven Is was competing and it was like this
Speaker 2: big thing because raven is RuPaul's makeup artist and everything.
Speaker 2: But it's like, well, RuPaul doesn't judge down Under anymore.
Speaker 2: She passed the Reins one to Michelle Vassar, so there
Speaker 2: wasn't a conflict of interest. And then there was a twist.
Speaker 2: Raven's not a contestant, she's a judge.
Speaker 1: Oh she like yeah, and everyone's like or I knew it.
Speaker 2: Or like this is dumb, like that those are the
Speaker 2: three because they're trying to drum up eyes and and
Speaker 2: there was like this whole thing years ago with All
Speaker 2: Stars three when Bibi Zahara Binet, who won season one,
Speaker 2: was a contestant and everyone was like, she's a mole.
Speaker 2: You just wait, she's a mole. She's not really competing
Speaker 2: and and she's and that ended up not being true.
Speaker 2: But they've been waiting for that to be a thing
Speaker 2: for so long that they made it happen with Raven
Speaker 2: and it was met with a resounding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's all.
Speaker 2: And the other bit of drag race news that you
Speaker 2: actually cared about a tiny little bit.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure about that, but a try.
Speaker 2: Kennedy Davenport is having a big birthday celebration at a
Speaker 2: club and there doing this big show, and the lineup
Speaker 2: for the show was released and Channgela was on it,
Speaker 2: and so queens started dropping out, left, right and sideways
Speaker 2: because they refused to be associated with her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Kennedy even came up with with a statement.
Speaker 2: She was like, I didn't cast it, so I know.
Speaker 1: So is she officially canceled? Now? Is that the deal? Angela?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's this is the cancel.
Speaker 1: I liked her for a long time. And you know why,
Speaker 1: I don't want I do know why when we were
Speaker 1: having quite, when she was chilling for the White Man, Yes,
Speaker 1: when we were having quite, the kerfuffle at one of
Speaker 1: the the gay bars in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: That's changed hands three times since then.
Speaker 1: Basically Chandela was scheduled to perform and instead of you know,
Speaker 1: being in solidarity with the people that were hurt. And
Speaker 1: this is back when daryld D Piano was the owner
Speaker 1: and said the end word repeatedly and repeatedly, and somebody
Speaker 1: captured it on video.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it had just released that time. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: had just leased that day.
Speaker 1: Right, it was either that day, right, everything was fresh.
Speaker 1: There were protesters out front, yes, and Changela arrives and
Speaker 1: rather than just go, oh no, I'm getting back on
Speaker 1: the plane, she decided that she would come into this
Speaker 1: complicated ongoing situation and she would bring everyone together, right,
Speaker 1: why don't you fuck yourself?
Speaker 2: I'd have performed out front for the protesters.
Speaker 1: Well, that would have been that at least might have
Speaker 1: been a something I could have gotten behind. But when
Speaker 1: she went on and performed and then she she started
Speaker 1: this kumbayas shit when she didn't know anything about anything.
Speaker 1: We'll see just so she got her coin, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, whatever.
Speaker 2: I gave her a slight pass. I didn't on that
Speaker 2: one only because I was like, all right, there's no
Speaker 2: telling how far in advanced this gig was booked. Okay,
Speaker 2: fine girl, get your coin.
Speaker 1: You have got a bunch of brown bodies, I know,
Speaker 1: walking in a circle in front of the door. Did
Speaker 1: you bother to esk?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure you did.
Speaker 2: The moment that I was officially done in fuck her
Speaker 2: was when she came back to the club, to the
Speaker 2: same club. That's when I was like, oh, you really
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 1: I fuck you all right, because it's like we know
Speaker 1: we can get her.
Speaker 2: So get her, right, yeah, And that's when I said
Speaker 2: in that crowded bar, I was like, Channgela is a
Speaker 2: fucking coon, and everyone went and it was like I
Speaker 2: said what I said.
Speaker 1: There's still such they're still static around the whole thing
Speaker 1: and around the people and around the allegiances and you
Speaker 1: know with the white people whisper.
Speaker 2: And I'm tired of it that and even why she's
Speaker 2: canceled now?
Speaker 1: But yes, he was like two owners ago. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: is she canceled? And now it's just because she is.
Speaker 2: There are several many allegations against her that she has
Speaker 2: uh sexually assaulted others, yeah, fans and yeah, like drug
Speaker 2: people and and and like she bill cosbats some people.
Speaker 2: Is basically the story.
Speaker 1: Great, yeah, great, so good, she's canceled. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: like her that much anyway. Well that was the thing
Speaker 1: she's always gotten on my nurse. And she was part
Speaker 1: of that HBO show too, We're Here, We're Here.
Speaker 2: She was part of that, Yeah, with a Eureka and Bob,
Speaker 2: And Bob won't say anything about her good or indifferent?
Speaker 1: Right, I wonder why, like nothing part like everything, you
Speaker 1: won't speak out against that if you know it's true.
Speaker 2: Every time she comes up, he's like, I'm not speaking
Speaker 2: on that. And I'm thinking maybe he might know something
Speaker 2: and he might be involved in a legal thing, so
Speaker 2: he can't that. I'm thinking that might be what it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe because if someone sued, Yeah, yeah, it could
Speaker 1: be because I mean they were working together and somebody
Speaker 1: could sue them all and say, you knew, right. That
Speaker 1: could be.
Speaker 2: Because he did a whole thing on his YouTube channel
Speaker 2: about controversial queens and ranked them in order of their offensiveness,
Speaker 2: and he was like, Changelo, I'm not going to talk
Speaker 2: about her right now, So just I'm putting here, I'm
Speaker 2: mentioning her because making this list, was she number one? No?
Speaker 5: I think that might have been Sharon, Oh, Sharon Needle.
Speaker 5: But yeah, well anyway, anyway, yeah, there's that.
Speaker 2: I when speaking of Eureka comes out, She's going to
Speaker 2: be portraying Divine in a one woman show about Divine's
Speaker 2: life off Broadway, and I'd.
Speaker 1: Be like, Carrie, I don't even he who that is?
Speaker 1: That is that a person you think is talented.
Speaker 2: I am not a fan of Eureka. I never kind
Speaker 2: of have been. She's problematic and she's just extra for
Speaker 2: the sake of being an extra, and apparently other queens
Speaker 2: have been. There are many different kinds of relationships surrounding her.
Speaker 2: I'll say that and everyone's like, oh, well, she's been
Speaker 2: dying to perform Divine for years. She did her on
Speaker 2: Snatch Game and I'm like, yeah, and I saw so
Speaker 2: did you?
Speaker 1: I heard it badly? It's not good. So actually this
Speaker 1: falls under who cares?
Speaker 2: Right, because I saw someone say, oh, she looks just
Speaker 2: like her, this is going to be great. I'm like,
Speaker 2: she still has to like speak and say words and shit.
Speaker 1: So so because we went to see Hades Town. Yes,
Speaker 1: we watched the pro shot of Along, which is on
Speaker 1: Netflix with Jonathan Groff, Daniel Radcliffe. Daniel Radcliffe and so
Speaker 1: what did you think?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: I I don't love it. I like a old friend.
Speaker 1: I like that song. I don't hate it, but I
Speaker 1: don't love it.
Speaker 2: It's that period of not Sondheim's best but he's Sonheim. Yeah,
Speaker 2: same ilk as Company, which I love.
Speaker 1: You love Company? So you like Company, but you doesn't
Speaker 1: like Merrily.
Speaker 2: What you're saying, Yeah, it's like Sondheim was in his like,
Speaker 2: look how clever I am?
Speaker 1: Bag and right.
Speaker 2: It's a little pretentious, but I mind it so much
Speaker 2: less with Company than I did with Merrily we Roll Along.
Speaker 1: But he didn't. Company doesn't go backwards, does it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Merrily we Roll Along goes backwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was. I I am glad I
Speaker 2: saw it. I don't know that I'll watch it again
Speaker 2: like I've seen Company like dozens of times. I don't
Speaker 2: know I'm going to go back and watch Merrily We
Speaker 2: roll along and.
Speaker 1: It makes this version makes better sense than some. But still, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's a weird what do.
Speaker 2: We call that device?
Speaker 1: Device? Yeah, I didn't love it. I don't hate it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't love it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't as effective as it could have been.
Speaker 1: I think I wanted to see, Well you didn't go
Speaker 1: when I went to the theater. I went with my cousin,
Speaker 1: and it was essentially the same show. Nothing was clearer
Speaker 1: or less clearer. Having watched it on Netflix, it exists.
Speaker 1: I won't watch it again, but we saw it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we did watch Ain't Misbehaving on YouTube because yes, we're.
Speaker 2: Going to be revisiting our buddy John over at Life
Speaker 2: Spud a Song podcast, and we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: Ain't Misbehaviors. Yes, my favorite.
Speaker 1: Musical, so we can talk musical.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. My introduction to Andre and I
Speaker 2: loved Fats Waller growing up, so This was like fabulous
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Now Carter at her best. Yeah, it's it's a good show.
Speaker 1: It's a good show, Ken Page, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many like like that whole cast went on
Speaker 2: to have great careers.
Speaker 1: Oh what's her name from Pose?
Speaker 2: Oh Charlene Woodard.
Speaker 1: Charlene Woodard, Yes, a young Charlayne Water. I'm that young
Speaker 1: though she wouldn't do it much younger than the other ones.
Speaker 1: But she looked at just dinner. Yeah, so she looked
Speaker 1: like the child. But yeah, she's Folks may remember her
Speaker 1: as the dance instructor in Pose, but she is in
Speaker 1: a Miss b Yeah.
Speaker 2: She's the the first thing I saw her in after
Speaker 2: Ain't Miss Behaven. I mean, she's been in so many things.
Speaker 2: The first thing I remember seeing her and she played
Speaker 2: Roseanne's one of Roseanne's good friends.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: She would show up every now and again on Roseanne
Speaker 2: and I'd be like, oh, Charlie Woodard.
Speaker 1: Was she a friend or was she married to his friend?
Speaker 1: As I think about it.
Speaker 2: Well, her husband was Dan's friend and she was sort
Speaker 2: of because of.
Speaker 1: That, right, but he was the buddy and she was
Speaker 1: the wife of the buddy. Yes, ye, yep, yep. But
Speaker 1: you know, it was fun. It was fun to see
Speaker 1: it again and remember seeing it in real time or
Speaker 1: you know, when it was out wherever the hell it was,
Speaker 1: PBS or whoever did it because of nel Carter, because
Speaker 1: she was at her prime at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: with with giving me a break and they were doing
Speaker 1: this and it was it was yeah, and Andre was
Speaker 1: so young, right, I mean, not that young, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that show so much. And we're gonna
Speaker 2: watch it again before we go in the podcast because.
Speaker 1: No, yes, okay, we can do it again, dang it.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you.
Speaker 2: Can actually watch it this time.
Speaker 1: I did watch it.
Speaker 2: You spend some of your time wigipeding people.
Speaker 1: And we saw it recently the show itself and performed live.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, we did. This was a good refresher. But
Speaker 1: if you want to watch it one more time, we've
Speaker 1: got to fit that in before we sit down on Sunday.
Speaker 1: So I guess we should probably wrap this up so
Speaker 1: we can go watch more television.
Speaker 2: We've been doing a lot of musical theater lately.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it's fun, it is fun, but.
Speaker 2: You know it's also fun. What podcast business. Okay, let's
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Speaker 1: I think that's all I've got for this time.
Speaker 2: Good enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like stories pop and I'm already writing next
Speaker 1: week's notes or right next months notes. However this works,
Speaker 1: oh stop because they won't it us alone, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go make dinner. Yay, yay, because yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my career attenda.
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