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Speaker 1: Helloone, Welcome to the show. I'm Martin Wills, your host.

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Got a great guest, Sam. I've known for at least

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a decade. He's been on the show many times entertaining.

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He's a great researcher and got to see him out

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in Texas when I was out there recently at the

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Moffon Symposium. That was a lot of fun. So just

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a couple of things. People have asked me to tell

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you who's coming up in the next show in the

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beginning because they don't always listen to the end of

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the show, and I totally get that. So next week

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we have Alejandro Rojas coming up, and on the third,

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I'm hoping it's Earl Gray. He got bumped. He was

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supposed to be in, but he had an issue where

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he couldn't make tonight. So Sam is live tonight going

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to be talking about the Tinley Park anniversary. The week

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after the third is the tenth, and lou Alizondo will

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be on the show. I just got a confirmation on that,

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so that'll be good. No Thursday Night. Everything else shows

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for the next couple of weeks. I'm trying to put

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some things together on that. Okay, So I'm going to

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let you know what the blog is this week by

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the great UFO history buff, Charles Lear. He's been helping

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us out for a long time. This one's called the

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Flying Saucer News Bookstore. And this is a place that

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really existed and it was at it was called the

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Flying Saucer News Bookstore and Prosperity Clinic, and that was

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at three fifty nine West forty fifth Street in Manhattan.

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So anyway, it's another great blog. Hope you check it out.

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That's over at podcastufo dot com. And these eventually do

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turn into an audio blog. If you don't want to read,

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you'd rather listen, and I understand that too, and that

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we have those live out on YouTube and they also

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go out through our podcast feed and anyone can subscribe

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to our podcast feed. Everything is free, there's no charge

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for anything. However, we do have some Patreon supporters and

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I don't thank them enough. Thank you all very much

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for helping make the show happen. We do have a

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number of expenses and you do help with that. Yes,

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the book is called Imminent I think that's the full

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name of the book for Luel Zondo. He's going to

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be talking about that and I'm getting my book in

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the mail any day now, so I'm looking forward to that,

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to reading that and getting a little heads up on

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that before he comes in. So let's see. We did

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the blog and the people are coming up. I think

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that is it. The next thing would be to get

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our guests in and that is what I'm doing. Sam, Hi,

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how you doing. Great? Good to see you. That was

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fun out in Texas. I forget where we were Texas,

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and then the year before I think it's just flying by.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come out.

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Speaker 1: I saw you the year before in Cincinnati. They since,

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but you.

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Speaker 2: Haven't come out here for punch Case yet. I know.

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Speaker 1: I used to come out all the time to Chicago.

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I love Chicago area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen you out here in a while.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been a while. I've been trying to get

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out there. I've been talking to someone about it, but

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because I like to do the work at the same time,

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and that's a big antiques fare out there every year,

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and there's also some great music out there too I'd

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like to catch as well, a lot of you know,

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festivals and things. But anyway, welcome to the show, and

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we're coming up in just a few days to the

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is it the twentieth twenty first? Twenty the twenty first

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is the date, and that is what anniversary?

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Speaker 2: Well, what would be the twentieth year, So it makes

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the twentieth anniversary, doesn't it? Or I don't know the year.

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Speaker 1: Kay, I'm just I'm trying to get the data to

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the twenty first. It's going to be twenty years.

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Speaker 2: It happened on the two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so there are lots of people that have

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no idea what the heck we're talking about, so it's

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your job to fill them in.

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Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is the date August twenty twenty first,

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uh that was the year that the Earth was closest

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to the Moon, except for I think was a twenty

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fifteen or with one other year. But during that year,

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they had what was called radio silence. Did you know that? Yeah.

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their radios and what they were going to do is

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they were figuring on picking up communications from Mars and

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it really was a real event. So Radio Silence Day

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was the twenty first of August, which would have been

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the eightieth anniversary, of course, on two thousand and four

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were just they were actually what do

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you know what they were looking for signals? How they

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were looking for them.

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Speaker 2: They were looking for signals through they an advanced radio.

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And the people they were in charge were everybody from

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Marconi and a few other big name Tesla. No, Tesla

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wasn't involved in that. There were a few other big names,

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one individual I'm going to be giving a presentation on

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so I'll hold off on that and give you that

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information one of these days. I think you'd like to

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have them on the show. I'm sure Radio Silence Day

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and communication in general and the origins of the radio telescope,

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I think that it's such an intriguing topic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what if the signal came the next day a

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day late while, Yeah, we didn't hear it.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened, like dog gone and somebody picked it

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up from Mars Breath, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tinley Park. This was not just one event though,

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is that right?

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noticing these three illuminations and the configuration of an Isosceles

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triangle and every other pattern that you would get as

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it moves around. It's just a matter of perspective. It

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could be an equilateral, it could be a line, et cetera.

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this picture here with an airplane by the way, And

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this was the thirty first and thanks to TJ. Japkin

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who was lucky enough to get two nights the October

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thirty first, the Halloween, and of course the prior the

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first major mass setting sighting, which was August twenty first

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and August to twenty four, twenty first was the Aaron

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Water Show downtown. I don't know if you've ever been

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in town for that, no, but there was. You want

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to go downtown and really pull your hair out. That's

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a hell of an event. They have all sorts of

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interesting things, fireworks of course, the Blue Angels. They have

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at least one C five Galaxy flying by, and a

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myriad of other planes and about two million plus people

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go out there. So it was also the end of

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water show, so people were going or leaving from there.

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the sky. I say it's near perfect because I wasn't

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outside at the time enjoying myself. I was in bed

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and people were there at backyard parties, barbecues, coming home

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from downtown Chicago, or at the Tweeter Center listening to

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took place? I think you have a series of other

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Speaker 1: Not match and I can move right along. Whatever you

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the way, for the audio listener, I am going to

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show notes. Have to click that linkt at the bottom

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and that'll bring it there. You can check out all

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Speaker 1: Yes, here we go.

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if you could pull up the very first one. Nope,

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Speaker 1: Let me try. I only have six slides here unless

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Speaker 2: Oh no, there should be ten.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me let me do some work

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Speaker 2: Oh, you work on that and I'll ramble.

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Speaker 1: How's that? That sounds good? We're both good at Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I'm on the the On August twenty first, people

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coming home from downtown and pouring out of the Tweeter Center,

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which is right near Tinley Park. In fact, it would

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be the most active interstate going east and west. The

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funny thing about the location of Tinley Park, one hundred

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south of the loop. And it's also the highest concentration

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of people. It's not some po dunk area that has

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been taught. You know. When I did Dateline, NBCs and

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Best Encounters, they played it up as being some po

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dunk town. It's not. It's a very very nice. It's

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affluent community. And the other thing is that where there

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that community, one was a radar company who works in

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the electronics. So this is not some po dunk town.

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three very unusual reddish illuminations and they were coming in

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maintaining the configuration of a triangle, then maneuvering about and

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giving every sort of imaginable perspective, which of course would

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or if it moves in such a manner, it would

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actually on one or two lights can disappear and reappear

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in at least one or two instances, completely disappear, only

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this event. Prior to this, this was this wasn't something

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that just happened on one day, was an ongoing series

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of sightings in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, Sank Cloud and the

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area there on the nineteenth. What had happened was a

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large object was seen in the sky for summers around

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nine hours. Thousands of people were seeing this, calling into

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numerous radio stations, calling the weather the National Weather Bureau

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to see if it was a weather balloon. This object

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stayed in the air for approximately nine hours, and as

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it was up there, they're trying to make sense of it.

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as one gentleman described it, it looked like when he

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was looking through some very powerful binoculars, it looked like

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the state of Alabama, which is a tetrahedron. And then

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this other gentleman mentioned as he came home from a

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business trip, he gets out of his car and he

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asks a gentleman, what on earth has been going on

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around here? I've been gone for two days. Bring me

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up to date. And the guy says, man, I tell you,

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I don't know what's been going on beyond beyond what's

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up there. And he's pointing, and he's pointing this object

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directly over him. He says, what that is? This thing?

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all day. So he runs out to grab his powerful

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military binoculars. He looks up there, sure enough, there's this object,

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and it was very peculiar. It was a tetrahedron and

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it had like a V shaped towards the middle, as

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if a structure was superimposed onto it or there was

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a superstructure. So again we have this strange object sitting

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in the sky and all of a sudden in Arizona,

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you see in the background is a tetrahedron shaped object

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that was sitting stationary some two miles away from a

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friend of mine front of mine's house who actually recorded it.

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a thirty mile an hour wind. Cars were pulling over

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and they couldn't believe what they were seeing. He got

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out and he's trying to make sense of it because

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it's approximately two miles away from his house and it's huge.

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we did some calculations based on what people were saying

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as far as the size of the object from two

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locations and we know for a fact that that object

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was an excessive six hundred feet. So while this gentleman

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was saying it was massive and it had superstructure to it,

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and when he was looking at it in Arizona, he said, Sam,

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it reminded me of the millennium millennium falcon from Star Wars.

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It had all this superstructure to it. It wasn't aerodynamic.

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So there was another sighting further south and it may

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have been the very same object. But that sighting and

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video was similar to that of very similar to that

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of Tinley Park, being three illuminations in the sky.

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Speaker 1: Again, Sam, just let me know when I need to

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move on in the slot.

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Speaker 2: And a gentleman just sent an email was very interesting.

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It was from frank Yes, I used to live in

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Frankfurt by Tinley Park and me and my wife saw

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the Tinley Park lights from that night from Harlem Avenue.

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We were in the car with our kids at the time.

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We never reported it, and so many people unfortunately do

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the same thing, so I could understand. But we had

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literally I've spoken to about two hundred people in person

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pertaining to this. This was an in person investigation, multiple investigators.

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I was the lead investigator. It's a great case. It's

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one of the best mass sightings. And we have video.

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I would say, on this night we had thirteen that

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examined and so it was. It was wonderful. And you

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go with the next slide now you bet.

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Speaker 1: And also I do have a video at some point

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we can show.

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Speaker 2: Oh, very good. I was at the first one as

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it looked like one or two? What did it say?

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Speaker 1: This is slide two?

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Speaker 2: Okay, slide two here. This is the first photograph that

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was that was given to me. This was a new

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four case. It came into Peter Davenport. Of course, who

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is the unsung hero of uthology. I hailed a man immensely.

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Besides besides him being a good friend, he has done

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a fantastic job. This image is my enhancement of the

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original photo. As you could see the three illuminations in

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the center, the one off to the left is actually

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a celestial object. And there were no planes in the air.

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community air traffic areas in the United States, and for

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approximately two hours while these objects were in the community,

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no airplanes were in the area. I think there was

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one high altitude plane that came in over you know,

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coast to coast. But this was the image I the

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first photograph and he called me up. We had a

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funny thing was it was just a few days after

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our anniversary. We came back from a cruise and Julie

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woke up that night and she says, did you hear that?

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And I'm great twenty five years and she's the warrantine

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went out or something on this one, and I thought

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there was something wrong with her. The first time she

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ever did that for twenty five years. And I heard

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absolutely nothing. And the phone didn't rain because I have

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the phone off at night if it's an emergency, tough

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luck and not getting me called nine one one. So

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the next morning I I got the phone and sure enough,

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there were so many calls. Peter called me. Dave Marler

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called me, who was the state director at the time.

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He says, Sam, we had a mass sighting at Tinley Park.

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You got a list of people that want to be

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spoken to. I got reporters. It was it was insane.

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So you go the next one too, you bet. So

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here's some of the folks I spoke to. Actually, the

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very first person I spoke to was a woman who

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had a two year old child and lived in a

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second story apartment. She was looking south south southwest. Actually

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her son was looking south southwest when he was alarmed

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and ran into the bedroom and grabbed her to come

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out and look and see what this is. These three

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brilliant red lights in the sky quite a bit up there,

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and she has no idea what they were. She calls

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her uncle in Colorado to see if he could see

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them in the sky, because she felt they were that

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far up there and that brilliant. He had no idea

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what she was talking about. It wasn't a celestial object

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or a satellite or any sort of astronomical event. It

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was very interesting to see the expression on child's face

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when I started to talk about it, and he was

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excited and very short on, of course words to explain

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what he was seeing, but he kept pointing to the photograph.

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The next group of people I seen was actually up

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there to your right, and that's TJ. TJ was with

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a group of some forty some people and they were

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having a block party. He was there when all of

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a sudden, his son started tugging on him, saying that

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looked at or some UFOs up there. He says, Jake,

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you know, quit kidden around, and all of a sudden,

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Dave his neighbor, and at that time, his brother in

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law says, no, teach, turn around, you got to see

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these things. So he turns around. Everybody looks up, and

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sure enough, these things were stationary over their head. All

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of them go and take off to get their camera.

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He gets back there first, and if you've ever heard

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the UFO Hunters Invasion Illinois, which would have been the

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first episode season two of UFO Honters, you can hear

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him say, I got it. I got it on tape.

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That's TJ. He was so excited. Now. The other couple

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or the other people to the left was another family

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which was further west, in fact, quite a bit further

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west than TJ. They were south and they were west

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of him, and they were having a birthday party for

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baby Laura, and they were outside. When they've seen it,

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they ran out there started filming it. But the other

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thing they did was starting to contact They started to

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contact all their friends to see if they could see

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it from their vantage point. In other words, they're trying

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to get triangulation and trying to get other people to

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videotape it. It was great. So we have a video

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from both of those. The other gentleman directly below him

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as a doctor, he's a heart surgeon. I think he's

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retired now, and he was with a group of people

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at another location, Bill Dooley's house, and we have video

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from them. But he was directly underneath it at the time.

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And what we wanted to do is get we have

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the triangulation at or it would be directly over him,

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so we have an idea of height. We wanted to

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figure out from point to point, if this thing was

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one object, how big it actually would have been, so

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that measurement right there is approximately three feet. One of

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the investigators working with me was Vic Connor. Vic Connor

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is a brilliant man. He is somebody Ackerman's and backround

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of his name, it's remarkable. He's He was a professor

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at the Illinwill University, actually ran for mayor normal Illinois. Anyways,

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he was the guy who did the calculations and he

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said that this object would have been if it was

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one size, it could be anywhere's between fifteen hundred an

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excess of fifteen hundred to as big as three thousand

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feet long.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The other gentleman there would be on the other side

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of Route eighty and that would have been looking north

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towards it from the Frankfort area. This gentleman, I wanted

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each one of them would do what he was doing

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there trying to give me the size from thumb to

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index finger of one of the objects of one of

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the illuminations. And he did so. This gentleman said, I'm

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almost positive I saw four illuminations, not three. He wouldn't

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be the only one. There was actually two other people

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that made that comment that they saw four in the configuration,

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which makes it very interesting. There is I want to

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add about forty five minutes later and an object that

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comes into play and I'm thinking was actually three though

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most of the people seen only one. I've seen one

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video at the end where I could distinctly pick up

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two more images. So may be the same type of

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object that came in same coloration. The illuminations are the same.

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By the way, red is what most of them are seeing,

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a reddish orange, and red, of course being the long

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wave length is the more predominant. But the closer you

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got to it, and for those individuals were directly underneath

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they were seeing a conglomeration of lights just swirling around

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various colors. So it wasn't one, it was numerous colors.

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The other thing they saw beneath this object, because those

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who were close enough were able to discern that this

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was one single object, that there was flashing blue like

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a neon blue along the borders and along the base.

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And then that looked like it was trying to mimic

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the sky above and look like a starfield, but yet

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wasn't quite as precise. Now, this gentleman was further south,

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and people just northeast of him, at a golf course

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near that Tinley Tweeter Center, were able to discern the edge,

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the actual edge of the object, and that was because

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they were seeing the light from below the city, the

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Tinley Park area against the object, and they were in

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a darker area. So we'll go to the next one.

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If there's any questions, to stop me and ask, by

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the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is, this is going along good. So

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just this is there's gonna be two PDFs. Actually brend

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the show notes for people you know, and just let

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me know when you want to, you know, play that

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you know that video.

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Speaker 2: But you see two number two.

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Speaker 1: This is this is Yeah, that's the number two is.

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This is the first PDF. I still have the number

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two PDF.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the video number two will be the one with

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the airplane. You'll see the object with the airplane.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to just play that now, No.

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Speaker 2: Because that'll be too that'll throw it off. You're going

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to get a kick out of it. There's the first

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group of people that first That was some of the

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representatives of that first group. What I did is I

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asked them to look in the sky to see where

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it disappeared. Now point everybody cooperated except that little guy

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sitting in the stroom. Yeah, he's a trouble maker. Now

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when you look to the right over here, you see different.

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This is the various colorations that they got. And what

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you'll notice here is the one to the right that's

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very red. That was a high eight camera. So the

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cameras also picked up a little bit different, a little

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bit of variation in the in the color array, which

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was interesting too. They and some of them showed the

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swirling well defined. The other thing to the left now

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would be in Tinley Park, Old Tinley Park. People were saying, Sam, No,

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it wasn't three lights. It was three lights in a

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pattern of a triangle. I go, three lights in each corner. Absolutely,

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so they were seeing something completely different, except for one

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gentleman who had his telescope out and he was very

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far west and he's seen it coming in from further

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out of the community and he was able to say no,

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there was actually three illuminations in each corner of the

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triangular configuration. Now, if you look at some of the

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unusual things that took place, what was going on is

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the animals were going goofy. Coyotes and dogs were barking

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long before the objects actually came into play. There was

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no air traffic. In fact, when you listened to if

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you were to listen to the first video, you could

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hear crickets and all sorts of sounds. You could hear traffic,

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and you'll see that there's absolutely no sound from this object.

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Are you able to read that better than me? Because

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I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't read it. No, Oh well, it might be

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the size. I mean, the only thing I can do is, oh,

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here we go.

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Speaker 2: Two way radios were not working. For for instance, next

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to walkie talkies weren't walking working. Home monitors were picking

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up chatter that didn't even sound like anything resembling English.

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Hundreds of calls were coming into the police nine one

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to one centers, various news agencies, et cetera. Seeing all

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over the area. We're talking for miles, tens of miles.

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They were able to see it bright and larger than

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aviation lights and any astronomical object. Smaller objects were being

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seen coming in and out. This was attested to by

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a police officer. Other characteristics visible when you were directly underneath,

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but only underneath sightings and other locations during the same

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time frame within a few days. This is very interesting

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and major local news coverage, yet no official explanation was

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ever given. Another somewhat similar object is seen forty five

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minutes later, as I had mentioned, Okay, now we'll go

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to Melbourne. Oh look this we have to read. This

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is the same scenario. You've got to start from the top.

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This is one of the last ones for the section.

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Oh wait, no, that is correct. You're correct. So what

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had happened is we had sightings all over the world

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during this time period, and Melbourne, Australia, they had two

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of the objects simultaneously in the sky. Very well investigated

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and this video can be seen online, and I've spoken

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00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:08,119
to the investigators and I have the information from their investigation.

478
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,200
This was truly unusual and it is exactly the same thing, this,

479
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,920
of course, being August twenty third, I believe it was

480
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,559
around eight o'clock. Now keep in mind the difference in

481
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,240
time would have been summers and a range of fifteen

482
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,279
hours ahead of us, so that would mean it would

483
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:29,440
have been on the twenty second, late at night over here.

484
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:35,920
We had sightings in Ohio, Indiana, and also down in

485
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:37,480
Texas the next morning.

486
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: I think that said for this Yeah, that's tip for

487
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,319
this one.

488
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,039
Speaker 2: Now we go to the next one.

489
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Yep, no one could hear you. So what were you

490
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,039
trying to say while that video is playing.

491
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: Well, there's an airplane coming in to your left, Southwest

492
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:56,799
Airlines plane coming across there, and TJ is thinking that

493
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,599
that plane is cutting in between the Tuolum nations. It's not,

494
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,799
it's not at all, but it's because he's about a

495
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,759
mile and a half away from it. We know that

496
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:12,240
because we have so many witnesses. We have multiple videos,

497
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,359
and we had people directly underneath, and we have videos

498
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,559
and photographs. In fact, you'll see when you put the

499
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:22,160
bring up the next PDFs now Here is the plane

500
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,480
coming in? Now, mind you you have this here. You

501
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,839
see the little the two lights over there, that's the

502
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:33,720
plane and there's the object there. And you could see

503
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,160
the illuminations are actually smaller on the plane than they

504
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,279
are on the object. Now that objects a mile and

505
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:46,039
a half away, imagine how big those those illuminations actually

506
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:51,119
are and the object, yeah across comparatively. Meanwhile, this being

507
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,079
the thirty first Halloween, there are people all over the

508
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,240
place watching this. And this isn't the only object out there.

509
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,400
There is a mass of orb a orange or sphere

510
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:08,000
orb whatever, and it's being seen on the west side

511
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,279
of the town and more towards the Orland Park area.

512
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,559
And that a gentleman had seen it and he said, Sam,

513
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,000
it was as big as my house, and it came

514
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,799
down close enough to him that they've seen it directly

515
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,400
over the house to make that judgment as far as size.

516
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,319
When it did that, there was a dog. There was

517
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,279
three dogs in the house, two of them were located.

518
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,559
One dog was missing and they couldn't find it. And

519
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,720
when they walked in after it left, it was standing

520
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:49,960
in the middle of the hall and it was shivering

521
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,079
when they picked it up. It was ice cold. They

522
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:55,720
didn't know what happened to it.

523
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Very unusual, weird. Yeah, should I move along?

524
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: Go ahead? Now, this is just giving an idea of

525
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:08,960
multiple First one to the left was showing multiple videos

526
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,719
and where they were at and where they would have

527
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480
been focusing on. Now, if you were to look directly

528
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,639
directly lower to your right is where a defense attorney

529
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,599
was living at and he was an amateur astronomer with

530
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,760
some great equipment, and he watched this object in the

531
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,639
sky as it maneuvered, and he said it flipped over.

532
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,119
And multiple people witnessed this. The object flipped and it

533
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,320
did so very quick. It flipped over. If you were

534
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,840
to take your thumb and index and little finger and

535
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,400
just hold them out and make a flipping motion, let's say,

536
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,480
flipping over motion, that is precisely what it did. It

537
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,199
didn't it flipped over to the other side. This is

538
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,280
exactly what was had been recorded on the fourth of

539
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,840
January in two thousand and southern Illinois with one of

540
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,159
the objects that was seen by the police officers. But

541
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,400
it was recorded by a missus Nancy Carpenter, and that

542
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:26,360
was included in one of the episodes of UFO Honors.

543
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:31,519
So it was a similar object, if not the same object.

544
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,559
Now we know again I had mentioned that we know

545
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:40,760
the plane was, we know where the plane was. We

546
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,519
knew there was a distance between of approximately a mile

547
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:47,039
and a half, possibly two miles. And this is one

548
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:51,960
of the photos from one of the clips that I

549
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:56,199
took from mister Don Myers. And what I did was

550
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,880
I did overlay on his house. He could see to

551
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,000
the left where I am exactly in the sky the

552
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:07,239
object was, which was over some power lines, but substantially

553
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,400
further away, but between him the object flew the airplane.

554
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,719
So we know that to be the case. In point

555
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,360
the bottom there to the left is an interesting story.

556
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,239
One gentleman called me up and he said, and I

557
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,599
had so many phone calls, was one right after another.

558
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,599
And I got on the phone. I grabbed that I

559
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,679
had two others. I had him on hold, and I said,

560
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:30,639
are you calling about the lights? He's seeing the sky?

561
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,400
He says, no, I'm calling about the spaceship. I saw

562
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:40,840
you got my attention, so I said, well, he says,

563
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,639
I'm very nervous about this. I'll tell you about this

564
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,039
in person. I go fine. I gave my address. He

565
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:50,360
came over with his daughter and son, and we found

566
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,239
out that He says, you know, I was driving down

567
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,559
the road trying to get to Frankfurt, and I was

568
00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:01,480
cutting through the back roads by the Tweeter Center. Now

569
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,840
there is a large forest preserve area right below there

570
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,840
and would be to the left. And you look at

571
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,840
that map on the left. And he's driving along and

572
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,280
he sees these lights in the sky. He's driving along,

573
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,760
he turns down the road and the one set of

574
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,480
lights is directly over him. As he gets under this object,

575
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,440
he sees that it's some massive object just sitting in

576
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:32,639
the sky. And the object to your right, that square

577
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:36,760
toier right is what he described. And he says, I

578
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,920
couldn't believe what I was seeing. So I drove around twice.

579
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,800
He drove around the forest preserved twice. He finally got

580
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,599
out of his truck and he stood there. He grabbed

581
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:52,079
his cell phone and he called his daughter and she

582
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,679
was driving down one hundred and fifty ninth Street where

583
00:37:54,679 --> 00:38:00,440
that red arrow is on the left square, lower Send Square.

584
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,400
She was looking west and she's saying, no, no, Dad,

585
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,440
I see a triangular object. Three lights in the sky.

586
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,000
She was seeing the triangular object. He was seeing something

587
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,480
entirely different, a horseshoe shaped craft with three illuminations below it.

588
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,280
And he says, it had a boom with some round

589
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,400
thing on top of it. But it was a boom,

590
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,920
he said, at first, I thought it was something like

591
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,079
an a wax plane. But this thing was brown and

592
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,920
it was on this It kept on saying, a boom

593
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,480
some extension. And he says, I stood there and it

594
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:43,960
kept moving, jerking back and forth, as if it was distorting.

595
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,800
It was. I couldn't get it quite right in my vision,

596
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,239
and he says, and like an idiot, I got my

597
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,199
truck and I went home, and I regret that. I

598
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:02,599
regret it ever since. So that's part of what transpired there. Again,

599
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:06,239
I'm only hitting a few high points on a very

600
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,480
lengthy investigation and very a lot of very interesting observations.

601
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:19,119
At one time, after we did the did the episode

602
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:23,920
for UFO Hunters, it was playing one evening and a

603
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,239
gentleman called me at home. How he got my number,

604
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,519
I don't know, but he asked me if I was

605
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:31,880
the person on the television, and I asked, what do

606
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,360
you watch it? And sure enough it was UFO Hunters,

607
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:41,280
and it was that episode. He says, I am a

608
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,199
Noah weather spotter, and I live up in Wahsa, Wisconsin,

609
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:51,800
and every so often I go to it's a regular procedure.

610
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,039
I go to the fire the fire tower on Rib Mountain,

611
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,840
and I look to see what's going on as far

612
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,480
as any distant weather patterns coming in on this night,

613
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,400
he said, And this was during that time period of

614
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,760
I believe it was August. During that first episode, he says,

615
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,920
I was driving down there in my truck and I

616
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:24,559
seen these three huge illuminations over the mountain. I go

617
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,159
up there, I drive. I was so excited I got

618
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,280
out of my truck. I didn't even close the door.

619
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: He says.

620
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:34,199
Speaker 2: I get underneath it, and I still can't make sense

621
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:38,599
out of it. It's this huge, massive object. And as

622
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,480
he's going up the tower, climbing up there, he says,

623
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,840
I see that there is a form that's between these illuminations,

624
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:53,159
and in the center is this massive red section that

625
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,400
he said actually had segments to it that looked almost

626
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,800
like windows, but it was broken up in a bunch

627
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,639
of segments, and he saw motion inside of it. So

628
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,599
he gets up there and he says, At each point

629
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,519
or corner of the triangle are these recessed whitish lights.

630
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:19,960
And then in back of it is this black, very

631
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:24,320
very dark section that opens up, and an object comes

632
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,639
out of it. And it made a particular sound. It

633
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,360
sound like it sounded like a vacuum or a turbulence

634
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,800
of air shush, a very unusual sound. And he, as

635
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,800
he says, he was climbing up there, he felt electrical

636
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,679
static throughout his whole body. His body was being being

637
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:55,199
tortured with these these these pricks of electricity, static electricity.

638
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,719
And as he gets up there, he notices the body

639
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,119
of the object undulating. This is a quote undulating, like

640
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,440
that of the skin of a eel, And so I

641
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:12,079
says undulating, He says, yes, And it reminded me of

642
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:17,039
an eel. Yet it also looked like a disturbance, like

643
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:20,280
if you were to look at a heat coming off

644
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,480
of a hot road or the asphalt. It was distortion.

645
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,039
It was very unusual. He comes home that evening, gets

646
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,039
back to his car and somehow the doors shut, which

647
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,280
is strange because there was nobody there. Well, by the way,

648
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,000
the object comes out of there, flies off, goes over

649
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:44,280
a car, the car stops, lights go off, then that

650
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,400
object takes off further south. I believe what he said,

651
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,400
comes back, goes back in, and the whole object moves

652
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,719
away very slow, then rapidly takes off. He tells me, Sam,

653
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,599
that is one object. It's not three multiple objects. It's

654
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,440
one object. He got home that evening and he was

655
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,159
so shaken, but yet hungary. He goes to the microwave.

656
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,800
He reaches over to the plastic handle and there was

657
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,960
such an electrical discharge that it burnt a hole in

658
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,000
his thumb. And he said, now, mind you. This was oh,

659
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:31,199
maybe a year or two afterwards, he says, to this day,

660
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,079
I still have a hole in my finger. He said,

661
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:40,039
my ring was magnetic and my brand new watch was

662
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:41,199
completely destroyed.

663
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:49,639
Speaker 1: Geez crazy. Yeah, and that was I'm sorry. This was

664
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,440
the guy that called you. And that was actually from Wisconsin.

665
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: Yes, and that actually took place I think during the

666
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,280
first event in August, because he was soon there after.

667
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,199
We had multiple things going on at that time. I

668
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,880
was working on three cases. I was working on this,

669
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,280
and I was working on the very unusual case up

670
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,679
in Wisconsin. That one is just absolutely insane and also

671
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,719
involved a triangular craft being seen in and about that

672
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,320
same time period up there. But they had tons of

673
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,199
weird stuff. And then I was working on another case

674
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,079
in Arizona and they also had the triangular craft obviously

675
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:35,920
near the Phoenix area. So I mean this two thousand

676
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,119
and four, that's right. That's why I'm writing the book

677
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,159
and the titles called Year of the Weird. If I

678
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,440
ever get my button gear to finish it, it's going

679
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,480
to incorporate so many of the unusual things that were

680
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:46,880
going on.

681
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was another here's two thousand and four. A

682
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:56,039
lot was going on. The Nimts, you know, the strike group,

683
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:59,199
the tic TAC all happened the same year.

684
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,159
Speaker 2: Happen. Now, get a load of this, remember they said,

685
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:10,039
and the Princeton was painting. They were painting on the

686
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:17,280
New Ages guy, you know the radar system. Two weeks

687
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,360
prior to the tic TAC event. They were watching these

688
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,920
things painting on the radar, falling out of the sky

689
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,280
from eighty thousand feet up. And they said there were

690
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,239
hundreds of them. These objects were coming in and this

691
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,960
would have taken it two weeks prior, would have taken

692
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,039
it to win, because that was November fourteenth, would take

693
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:45,000
us to thirty first two thousand and four last mass

694
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,159
sighting at Timley Park. Is there a correlation or coincidence? Hell, yes,

695
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,679
there's more. They're substantially more. But we definitely don't have

696
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,840
the time, and I'd love to take some questions or

697
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,480
engage in some some mark on. Oh, by the way,

698
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,639
people always wonder, well, are there other cases? Yes? That

699
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,039
other case was a Lafayette case of November the twentieth,

700
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,719
twenty eleven, and that was in Lafayette, Lafayette, Colorado, same thing,

701
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:19,639
same configuration, and it was seen in a Lafayette and

702
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,440
in Boulder. And what I find interesting is they had

703
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,119
asked the airport if they could get any information or

704
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,159
if anything happened, and that was nothing transpired, same thing

705
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:36,719
with me. I filed Alfoya for the October thirty first sighting.

706
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,960
I filed, I filed it on time. Everything was correct,

707
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:45,599
and I followed up on it and I called Area

708
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:48,960
twelve or Area five down in Dallas. They told me, Sam,

709
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,960
if it's a UFO, you're not going to get anything,

710
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,760
and you know that, and I know it, but I

711
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,840
had to follow up anyways. Then I got an email

712
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,559
stating that the person who was in charge at did

713
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,079
WE Airport. Word that would have been in charge of

714
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,840
giving that information was out on a maternity leave. Now

715
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I find that very odd. I figured somebody would have

716
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,840
covered that position, and therefore I missed the time. And

717
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,400
it's only X number of days that you could retrieve

718
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:20,280
that information.

719
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: I actually lived in Lafayette, Colorado, when I was twenty

720
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,639
through twenty through twenty one, I believe.

721
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is yeah, that's five thousand, some one hundred

722
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,960
five two hundred and some feet up in the airs.

723
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,159
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the mile high area. Right.

724
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,280
So here's the question, do you think that they are

725
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,199
ours or actually from somewhere else?

726
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. In fact, you know, the question gets

727
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,880
boysed to me all the time, and you know, my

728
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:06,320
I'm pretty I'm not one to hand out extraterrestrial off

729
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,880
the cuff, you know what I mean. But it is,

730
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,039
it's so bizarre, and it does fit so many other

731
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:20,000
patterns and descriptions, especially the Carteret sightings of July of

732
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:24,599
two thousand and one, the Rockford mass sightings, which nobody

733
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:29,519
hears about exactly similar the mass sighting in southern Illinois,

734
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,760
the extremely bizarre rotation just consider the size of this

735
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,800
object fifteen hundred feet to three thousand feet. Where on

736
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,159
Earth do you construct something like that? And then other

737
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,039
objects coming in coming out. There were other things that

738
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,480
were also in photographs, such as laser discharges. And during

739
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,960
this period of time, police war pilots were complaining about

740
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,519
their cockpits being it with lasers during that bind during

741
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,719
that time, and they were assuming it was just children

742
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,719
playing around with lasers, and I disagree. I think that

743
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some of these objects may have been accountable for that.

744
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,639
Speaker 1: Here's another question from long time and good buddy Bobby. Question,

745
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,920
was any shape of the craft ever discerned?

746
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: Now, Bobby, stop and think you have three illuminations, possibly four? Okay,

747
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,360
you could have anything you just think of a shit.

748
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:41,559
It could be anything from a equalateral or not equalateral,

749
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:45,239
but a an Isosceles triangle or an op to triangles

750
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,519
some degree, or a tetrahedron. And as you may recall

751
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,960
my presentation of that case something British Columbia Martin with

752
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,679
that it was actually a quadrahedron up there. You could

753
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,039
have multifaceted objects where they have these facets to it,

754
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,760
and they could they could be pyramidal. They could be

755
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:16,519
a quadra you know, uh, quadrihedrons, polyhedrons, it could be anything.

756
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,960
I think they're more complex than what we may think.

757
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:27,239
So this is something that that boggles my mind. And

758
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,679
I had had some dealings with this up in the

759
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,199
Frederick's case, and I think we could get into that

760
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,840
after our break. But I'll take maybe a quick question.

761
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: Well there's no braain. Oh how long has it been

762
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,039
since you've been on the show. This is an our

763
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:43,599
show man.

764
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, damn, we're.

765
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: Coming along up to Uh. I think we got like

766
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,719
five minutes. Yeah, we have five minutes left. So how

767
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,480
it goes so fast? So I was just looking to

768
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,800
see if there's any other questions. If you have any questions,

769
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,599
just please try to put him in caps. But anyway,

770
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,280
you mentioned there was that one you may have said

771
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,559
it was a doctor that saw this thing that looked

772
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,760
like had an extended like sphere or something. Was it

773
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,280
a sphere? Because that gentleman.

774
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: That gentleman, I didn't want to go on on the record.

775
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:25,559
I guess he had a lot of tickets, but he

776
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:31,119
was very earnest. His daughter confirmed everything. His son was there.

777
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,480
We probably would have had far more conversation. But his

778
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,159
son was hyperactive and they had to go take him

779
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:41,199
to the doctor for one thing or another. But the

780
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,239
daughter was was very she was shaken up by it.

781
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,159
She goes, yeah, I seen this thing, and I was

782
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,280
My friends were driving west bound and he's telling me

783
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,199
he's seeing something and I'm not seeing what he's seeing.

784
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,480
He's not seeing what I'm seeing. This guy was shooking up,

785
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,360
really shooking up, and a lot of people were. I

786
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,119
recall giving I was giving a talk at a library

787
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,800
and a person was there from the community, and they

788
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,239
had a skylight and they were in their kitchen doing dishes,

789
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,599
and all of a sudden, the inside of the kitchen

790
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:21,920
just started glowing with all these unusual colors. And she

791
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,880
looks up in the skylight and what the heck is this?

792
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,840
And they went out and they seen this massive thing.

793
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,119
And that was one of one of the days we had.

794
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,559
We had so many unusual There's so many stories and

795
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:46,440
so many other really worthwhile personal accounts that need to

796
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,920
be told about this. That's why I really need to

797
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,679
finish up this book, because it is by far one

798
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:56,159
of the best mass sightings of something, whether it's ours,

799
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,719
theirs or or whatever. It's still mysterious, and if it's ours,

800
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,039
damn it. I want one.

801
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,639
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I remember, just like David Fravor said he'd

802
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,119
like to try one of those things. Oh yeah, you

803
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:13,519
could try piloting one of those. But here's one more.

804
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,960
I don't think it's a question, is it. I've seen

805
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:16,679
the triangles?

806
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,559
Speaker 2: No, yes, the orbs come off. Yes, the orbs come

807
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,840
off and they come in and out. The other thing

808
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,039
is I had another witness who had seen the triangle.

809
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,159
I was down their house because they were having so

810
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,280
many unusual occurrences. This was a hot area where we

811
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,280
were doing night watches to do proactive research. And what's

812
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,719
so much fun is we were out there on nine

813
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,880
nights and Chris, thank you so much. And we got

814
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,880
Wendy and Wendy out there. I know they're out there

815
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,480
summers and God bless them. They've been very supportive of me.

816
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,039
Speaker 1: So that is a question, right, he did ask, and

817
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:56,920
you did answer about them coming off the crowd.

818
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,599
Speaker 2: Yes, they yes. And when I showed him this this video,

819
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,320
go oh, that's the big triangle. We've seen that. And

820
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,400
by the way, there's there's a boom that comes off

821
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:11,639
the front and the back and there's a red light

822
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,000
on that. I go, boy, that is real confusing.

823
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Wow. Well Sam, this went fast as usual, and I

824
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,320
feel like you have so much more to say. A

825
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,199
two hour show could actually work easily. But thanks so much.

826
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,280
It's always always great to see you, and we'll be

827
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,159
talking soon. I'll have you back on the show again.

828
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my friend.

829
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: You take care, take care again. Next week we'll be

830
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,559
back with Alejandro Rojas and remember to keep your eyes

831
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:39,320
to the stuff.

832
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Speaker 2: H