Speaker 1: Helloone, Welcome to the show. I'm Martin Wills, your host.
Got a great guest, Sam. I've known for at least
a decade. He's been on the show many times entertaining.
He's a great researcher and got to see him out
in Texas when I was out there recently at the
Moffon Symposium. That was a lot of fun. So just
a couple of things. People have asked me to tell
you who's coming up in the next show in the
beginning because they don't always listen to the end of
the show, and I totally get that. So next week
we have Alejandro Rojas coming up, and on the third,
I'm hoping it's Earl Gray. He got bumped. He was
supposed to be in, but he had an issue where
he couldn't make tonight. So Sam is live tonight going
to be talking about the Tinley Park anniversary. The week
after the third is the tenth, and lou Alizondo will
be on the show. I just got a confirmation on that,
so that'll be good. No Thursday Night. Everything else shows
for the next couple of weeks. I'm trying to put
some things together on that. Okay, So I'm going to
let you know what the blog is this week by
the great UFO history buff, Charles Lear. He's been helping
us out for a long time. This one's called the
Flying Saucer News Bookstore. And this is a place that
really existed and it was at it was called the
Flying Saucer News Bookstore and Prosperity Clinic, and that was
at three fifty nine West forty fifth Street in Manhattan.
So anyway, it's another great blog. Hope you check it out.
That's over at podcastufo dot com. And these eventually do
turn into an audio blog. If you don't want to read,
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the book is called Imminent I think that's the full
name of the book for Luel Zondo. He's going to
be talking about that and I'm getting my book in
the mail any day now, so I'm looking forward to that,
to reading that and getting a little heads up on
that before he comes in. So let's see. We did
the blog and the people are coming up. I think
that is it. The next thing would be to get
our guests in and that is what I'm doing. Sam, Hi,
how you doing. Great? Good to see you. That was
fun out in Texas. I forget where we were Texas,
and then the year before I think it's just flying by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come out.
Speaker 1: I saw you the year before in Cincinnati. They since,
but you.
Speaker 2: Haven't come out here for punch Case yet. I know.
Speaker 1: I used to come out all the time to Chicago.
I love Chicago area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen you out here in a while.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been a while. I've been trying to get
out there. I've been talking to someone about it, but
because I like to do the work at the same time,
and that's a big antiques fare out there every year,
and there's also some great music out there too I'd
like to catch as well, a lot of you know,
festivals and things. But anyway, welcome to the show, and
we're coming up in just a few days to the
is it the twentieth twenty first? Twenty the twenty first
is the date, and that is what anniversary?
Speaker 2: Well, what would be the twentieth year, So it makes
the twentieth anniversary, doesn't it? Or I don't know the year.
Speaker 1: Kay, I'm just I'm trying to get the data to
the twenty first. It's going to be twenty years.
Speaker 2: It happened on the two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so there are lots of people that have
no idea what the heck we're talking about, so it's
your job to fill them in.
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is the date August twenty twenty first,
I believe it was nineteen twenty four. We actually had
uh that was the year that the Earth was closest
to the Moon, except for I think was a twenty
fifteen or with one other year. But during that year,
they had what was called radio silence. Did you know that? Yeah.
What they did is they asked people to turn off
their radios and what they were going to do is
they were figuring on picking up communications from Mars and
it really was a real event. So Radio Silence Day
was the twenty first of August, which would have been
the eightieth anniversary, of course, on two thousand and four
August twenty first. I found that very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were just they were actually what do
you know what they were looking for signals? How they
were looking for them.
Speaker 2: They were looking for signals through they an advanced radio.
And the people they were in charge were everybody from
Marconi and a few other big name Tesla. No, Tesla
wasn't involved in that. There were a few other big names,
one individual I'm going to be giving a presentation on
so I'll hold off on that and give you that
information one of these days. I think you'd like to
have them on the show. I'm sure Radio Silence Day
and communication in general and the origins of the radio telescope,
I think that it's such an intriguing topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if the signal came the next day a
day late while, Yeah, we didn't hear it.
Speaker 2: That's what happened, like dog gone and somebody picked it
up from Mars Breath, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tinley Park. This was not just one event though,
is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes? Actually there were multiple events and there were they
They started in April that that groups of people were
noticing these three illuminations and the configuration of an Isosceles
triangle and every other pattern that you would get as
it moves around. It's just a matter of perspective. It
could be an equilateral, it could be a line, et cetera.
And so as you see here in this illustration in
this picture here with an airplane by the way, And
this was the thirty first and thanks to TJ. Japkin
who was lucky enough to get two nights the October
thirty first, the Halloween, and of course the prior the
first major mass setting sighting, which was August twenty first
and August to twenty four, twenty first was the Aaron
Water Show downtown. I don't know if you've ever been
in town for that, no, but there was. You want
to go downtown and really pull your hair out. That's
a hell of an event. They have all sorts of
interesting things, fireworks of course, the Blue Angels. They have
at least one C five Galaxy flying by, and a
myriad of other planes and about two million plus people
go out there. So it was also the end of
the Aaron Water Show the day of the air and
water show, so people were going or leaving from there.
And it was absolutely gorgeous day, not a cloud in
the sky. I say it's near perfect because I wasn't
outside at the time enjoying myself. I was in bed
and people were there at backyard parties, barbecues, coming home
from downtown Chicago, or at the Tweeter Center listening to
Ozzy Osbourne. They were getting out. Is when this event
took place, and this being eight date fifty four was
actually seven fifty four on the thirty first. But what
took place? I think you have a series of other
slides that were.
Speaker 1: Not match and I can move right along. Whatever you
want me to, just tell me and I can move along. Yeah.
So that's showing the different dates right here. And by
the way, for the audio listener, I am going to
put the PDF with all these slides up on the
show notes. Have to click that linkt at the bottom
and that'll bring it there. You can check out all
these slides.
Speaker 2: See if you got the first batch of slides that
I sent you from, which would be August twenty first.
Speaker 1: Yes, here we go.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is getting closer to the first day. See
if you could pull up the very first one. Nope,
that's the very last one, and that's the one before.
I think it's great.
Speaker 1: Let me try. I only have six slides here unless
there's another.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there should be ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me let me do some work
on that.
Speaker 2: Oh, you work on that and I'll ramble.
Speaker 1: How's that? That sounds good? We're both good at Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm on the the On August twenty first, people
were coming home, as I was mentioned, as Ed mentioned,
coming home from downtown and pouring out of the Tweeter Center,
which is right near Tinley Park. In fact, it would
be just south of I eighty, which of course would
be the most active interstate going east and west. The
funny thing about the location of Tinley Park, one hundred
and fifty ninth Street would be the most illuminated area
south of the loop. And it's also the highest concentration
of people. It's not some po dunk area that has
been taught. You know. When I did Dateline, NBCs and
Best Encounters, they played it up as being some po
dunk town. It's not. It's a very very nice. It's
affluent community. And the other thing is that where there
are multiple high tech and government contractors, military contractors in
that community, one was a radar company who works in
the electronics. So this is not some po dunk town.
It's heavily you know, it's a heavy population, and it's
tied to Orland Park, my community, and it's very populated.
And people were outside having barbecues, neighborhood parties, block parties,
et cetera. It was gorgeous that evening, and all of
a sudden, around the ten o'clock period, they had noticed
in the sky which was clear, as I mentioned before,
three very unusual reddish illuminations and they were coming in
maintaining the configuration of a triangle, then maneuvering about and
giving every sort of imaginable perspective, which of course would
be like a column of three lights an equilateral triangle,
or if it moves in such a manner, it would
actually on one or two lights can disappear and reappear
in at least one or two instances, completely disappear, only
to be seen on the opposite direction. Ah, here we go.
Prior to I'm going to show you the prelude to
this event. Prior to this, this was this wasn't something
that just happened on one day, was an ongoing series
of sightings in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, Sank Cloud and the
area there on the nineteenth. What had happened was a
large object was seen in the sky for summers around
nine hours. Thousands of people were seeing this, calling into
numerous radio stations, calling the weather the National Weather Bureau
to see if it was a weather balloon. This object
stayed in the air for approximately nine hours, and as
it was up there, they're trying to make sense of it.
It was over thirty thousand feet in the air, and
as one gentleman described it, it looked like when he
was looking through some very powerful binoculars, it looked like
the state of Alabama, which is a tetrahedron. And then
this other gentleman mentioned as he came home from a
business trip, he gets out of his car and he
asks a gentleman, what on earth has been going on
around here? I've been gone for two days. Bring me
up to date. And the guy says, man, I tell you,
I don't know what's been going on beyond beyond what's
up there. And he's pointing, and he's pointing this object
directly over him. He says, what that is? This thing?
He says, I don't know, but it's been sitting there
all day. So he runs out to grab his powerful
military binoculars. He looks up there, sure enough, there's this object,
and it was very peculiar. It was a tetrahedron and
it had like a V shaped towards the middle, as
if a structure was superimposed onto it or there was
a superstructure. So again we have this strange object sitting
in the sky and all of a sudden in Arizona,
North Phoenix that night, also in by South Mountain, what
you see in the background is a tetrahedron shaped object
that was sitting stationary some two miles away from a
friend of mine front of mine's house who actually recorded it.
And as it sat in the sky, it was in
a thirty mile an hour wind. Cars were pulling over
and they couldn't believe what they were seeing. He got
out and he's trying to make sense of it because
it's approximately two miles away from his house and it's huge.
It's absolutely enormous. Well, going back to the Twin Cities,
we did some calculations based on what people were saying
as far as the size of the object from two
locations and we know for a fact that that object
was an excessive six hundred feet. So while this gentleman
was saying it was massive and it had superstructure to it,
and when he was looking at it in Arizona, he said, Sam,
it reminded me of the millennium millennium falcon from Star Wars.
It had all this superstructure to it. It wasn't aerodynamic.
So there was another sighting further south and it may
have been the very same object. But that sighting and
video was similar to that of very similar to that
of Tinley Park, being three illuminations in the sky.
Speaker 1: Again, Sam, just let me know when I need to
move on in the slot.
Speaker 2: And a gentleman just sent an email was very interesting.
It was from frank Yes, I used to live in
Frankfurt by Tinley Park and me and my wife saw
the Tinley Park lights from that night from Harlem Avenue.
We were in the car with our kids at the time.
We never reported it, and so many people unfortunately do
the same thing, so I could understand. But we had
literally I've spoken to about two hundred people in person
pertaining to this. This was an in person investigation, multiple investigators.
I was the lead investigator. It's a great case. It's
one of the best mass sightings. And we have video.
I would say, on this night we had thirteen that
examined and so it was. It was wonderful. And you
go with the next slide now you bet.
Speaker 1: And also I do have a video at some point
we can show.
Speaker 2: Oh, very good. I was at the first one as
it looked like one or two? What did it say?
Speaker 1: This is slide two?
Speaker 2: Okay, slide two here. This is the first photograph that
was that was given to me. This was a new
four case. It came into Peter Davenport. Of course, who
is the unsung hero of uthology. I hailed a man immensely.
Besides besides him being a good friend, he has done
a fantastic job. This image is my enhancement of the
original photo. As you could see the three illuminations in
the center, the one off to the left is actually
a celestial object. And there were no planes in the air.
Keep in mind, this is one of the most active
community air traffic areas in the United States, and for
approximately two hours while these objects were in the community,
no airplanes were in the area. I think there was
one high altitude plane that came in over you know,
coast to coast. But this was the image I the
first photograph and he called me up. We had a
funny thing was it was just a few days after
our anniversary. We came back from a cruise and Julie
woke up that night and she says, did you hear that?
And I'm great twenty five years and she's the warrantine
went out or something on this one, and I thought
there was something wrong with her. The first time she
ever did that for twenty five years. And I heard
absolutely nothing. And the phone didn't rain because I have
the phone off at night if it's an emergency, tough
luck and not getting me called nine one one. So
the next morning I I got the phone and sure enough,
there were so many calls. Peter called me. Dave Marler
called me, who was the state director at the time.
He says, Sam, we had a mass sighting at Tinley Park.
You got a list of people that want to be
spoken to. I got reporters. It was it was insane.
So you go the next one too, you bet. So
here's some of the folks I spoke to. Actually, the
very first person I spoke to was a woman who
had a two year old child and lived in a
second story apartment. She was looking south south southwest. Actually
her son was looking south southwest when he was alarmed
and ran into the bedroom and grabbed her to come
out and look and see what this is. These three
brilliant red lights in the sky quite a bit up there,
and she has no idea what they were. She calls
her uncle in Colorado to see if he could see
them in the sky, because she felt they were that
far up there and that brilliant. He had no idea
what she was talking about. It wasn't a celestial object
or a satellite or any sort of astronomical event. It
was very interesting to see the expression on child's face
when I started to talk about it, and he was
excited and very short on, of course words to explain
what he was seeing, but he kept pointing to the photograph.
The next group of people I seen was actually up
there to your right, and that's TJ. TJ was with
a group of some forty some people and they were
having a block party. He was there when all of
a sudden, his son started tugging on him, saying that
looked at or some UFOs up there. He says, Jake,
you know, quit kidden around, and all of a sudden,
Dave his neighbor, and at that time, his brother in
law says, no, teach, turn around, you got to see
these things. So he turns around. Everybody looks up, and
sure enough, these things were stationary over their head. All
of them go and take off to get their camera.
He gets back there first, and if you've ever heard
the UFO Hunters Invasion Illinois, which would have been the
first episode season two of UFO Honters, you can hear
him say, I got it. I got it on tape.
That's TJ. He was so excited. Now. The other couple
or the other people to the left was another family
which was further west, in fact, quite a bit further
west than TJ. They were south and they were west
of him, and they were having a birthday party for
baby Laura, and they were outside. When they've seen it,
they ran out there started filming it. But the other
thing they did was starting to contact They started to
contact all their friends to see if they could see
it from their vantage point. In other words, they're trying
to get triangulation and trying to get other people to
videotape it. It was great. So we have a video
from both of those. The other gentleman directly below him
as a doctor, he's a heart surgeon. I think he's
retired now, and he was with a group of people
at another location, Bill Dooley's house, and we have video
from them. But he was directly underneath it at the time.
And what we wanted to do is get we have
the triangulation at or it would be directly over him,
so we have an idea of height. We wanted to
figure out from point to point, if this thing was
one object, how big it actually would have been, so
that measurement right there is approximately three feet. One of
the investigators working with me was Vic Connor. Vic Connor
is a brilliant man. He is somebody Ackerman's and backround
of his name, it's remarkable. He's He was a professor
at the Illinwill University, actually ran for mayor normal Illinois. Anyways,
he was the guy who did the calculations and he
said that this object would have been if it was
one size, it could be anywhere's between fifteen hundred an
excess of fifteen hundred to as big as three thousand
feet long.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The other gentleman there would be on the other side
of Route eighty and that would have been looking north
towards it from the Frankfort area. This gentleman, I wanted
each one of them would do what he was doing
there trying to give me the size from thumb to
index finger of one of the objects of one of
the illuminations. And he did so. This gentleman said, I'm
almost positive I saw four illuminations, not three. He wouldn't
be the only one. There was actually two other people
that made that comment that they saw four in the configuration,
which makes it very interesting. There is I want to
add about forty five minutes later and an object that
comes into play and I'm thinking was actually three though
most of the people seen only one. I've seen one
video at the end where I could distinctly pick up
two more images. So may be the same type of
object that came in same coloration. The illuminations are the same.
By the way, red is what most of them are seeing,
a reddish orange, and red, of course being the long
wave length is the more predominant. But the closer you
got to it, and for those individuals were directly underneath
they were seeing a conglomeration of lights just swirling around
various colors. So it wasn't one, it was numerous colors.
The other thing they saw beneath this object, because those
who were close enough were able to discern that this
was one single object, that there was flashing blue like
a neon blue along the borders and along the base.
And then that looked like it was trying to mimic
the sky above and look like a starfield, but yet
wasn't quite as precise. Now, this gentleman was further south,
and people just northeast of him, at a golf course
near that Tinley Tweeter Center, were able to discern the edge,
the actual edge of the object, and that was because
they were seeing the light from below the city, the
Tinley Park area against the object, and they were in
a darker area. So we'll go to the next one.
If there's any questions, to stop me and ask, by
the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is, this is going along good. So
just this is there's gonna be two PDFs. Actually brend
the show notes for people you know, and just let
me know when you want to, you know, play that
you know that video.
Speaker 2: But you see two number two.
Speaker 1: This is this is Yeah, that's the number two is.
This is the first PDF. I still have the number
two PDF.
Speaker 2: Okay, the video number two will be the one with
the airplane. You'll see the object with the airplane.
Speaker 1: Do you want to just play that now, No.
Speaker 2: Because that'll be too that'll throw it off. You're going
to get a kick out of it. There's the first
group of people that first That was some of the
representatives of that first group. What I did is I
asked them to look in the sky to see where
it disappeared. Now point everybody cooperated except that little guy
sitting in the stroom. Yeah, he's a trouble maker. Now
when you look to the right over here, you see different.
This is the various colorations that they got. And what
you'll notice here is the one to the right that's
very red. That was a high eight camera. So the
cameras also picked up a little bit different, a little
bit of variation in the in the color array, which
was interesting too. They and some of them showed the
swirling well defined. The other thing to the left now
would be in Tinley Park, Old Tinley Park. People were saying, Sam, No,
it wasn't three lights. It was three lights in a
pattern of a triangle. I go, three lights in each corner. Absolutely,
so they were seeing something completely different, except for one
gentleman who had his telescope out and he was very
far west and he's seen it coming in from further
out of the community and he was able to say no,
there was actually three illuminations in each corner of the
triangular configuration. Now, if you look at some of the
unusual things that took place, what was going on is
the animals were going goofy. Coyotes and dogs were barking
long before the objects actually came into play. There was
no air traffic. In fact, when you listened to if
you were to listen to the first video, you could
hear crickets and all sorts of sounds. You could hear traffic,
and you'll see that there's absolutely no sound from this object.
Are you able to read that better than me? Because
I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't read it. No, Oh well, it might be
the size. I mean, the only thing I can do is, oh,
here we go.
Speaker 2: Two way radios were not working. For for instance, next
to walkie talkies weren't walking working. Home monitors were picking
up chatter that didn't even sound like anything resembling English.
Hundreds of calls were coming into the police nine one
to one centers, various news agencies, et cetera. Seeing all
over the area. We're talking for miles, tens of miles.
They were able to see it bright and larger than
aviation lights and any astronomical object. Smaller objects were being
seen coming in and out. This was attested to by
a police officer. Other characteristics visible when you were directly underneath,
but only underneath sightings and other locations during the same
time frame within a few days. This is very interesting
and major local news coverage, yet no official explanation was
ever given. Another somewhat similar object is seen forty five
minutes later, as I had mentioned, Okay, now we'll go
to Melbourne. Oh look this we have to read. This
is the same scenario. You've got to start from the top.
This is one of the last ones for the section.
Oh wait, no, that is correct. You're correct. So what
had happened is we had sightings all over the world
during this time period, and Melbourne, Australia, they had two
of the objects simultaneously in the sky. Very well investigated
and this video can be seen online, and I've spoken
to the investigators and I have the information from their investigation.
This was truly unusual and it is exactly the same thing, this,
of course, being August twenty third, I believe it was
around eight o'clock. Now keep in mind the difference in
time would have been summers and a range of fifteen
hours ahead of us, so that would mean it would
have been on the twenty second, late at night over here.
We had sightings in Ohio, Indiana, and also down in
Texas the next morning.
Speaker 1: I think that said for this Yeah, that's tip for
this one.
Speaker 2: Now we go to the next one.
Speaker 1: Yep, no one could hear you. So what were you
trying to say while that video is playing.
Speaker 2: Well, there's an airplane coming in to your left, Southwest
Airlines plane coming across there, and TJ is thinking that
that plane is cutting in between the Tuolum nations. It's not,
it's not at all, but it's because he's about a
mile and a half away from it. We know that
because we have so many witnesses. We have multiple videos,
and we had people directly underneath, and we have videos
and photographs. In fact, you'll see when you put the
bring up the next PDFs now Here is the plane
coming in? Now, mind you you have this here. You
see the little the two lights over there, that's the
plane and there's the object there. And you could see
the illuminations are actually smaller on the plane than they
are on the object. Now that objects a mile and
a half away, imagine how big those those illuminations actually
are and the object, yeah across comparatively. Meanwhile, this being
the thirty first Halloween, there are people all over the
place watching this. And this isn't the only object out there.
There is a mass of orb a orange or sphere
orb whatever, and it's being seen on the west side
of the town and more towards the Orland Park area.
And that a gentleman had seen it and he said, Sam,
it was as big as my house, and it came
down close enough to him that they've seen it directly
over the house to make that judgment as far as size.
When it did that, there was a dog. There was
three dogs in the house, two of them were located.
One dog was missing and they couldn't find it. And
when they walked in after it left, it was standing
in the middle of the hall and it was shivering
when they picked it up. It was ice cold. They
didn't know what happened to it.
Speaker 1: Very unusual, weird. Yeah, should I move along?
Speaker 2: Go ahead? Now, this is just giving an idea of
multiple First one to the left was showing multiple videos
and where they were at and where they would have
been focusing on. Now, if you were to look directly
directly lower to your right is where a defense attorney
was living at and he was an amateur astronomer with
some great equipment, and he watched this object in the
sky as it maneuvered, and he said it flipped over.
And multiple people witnessed this. The object flipped and it
did so very quick. It flipped over. If you were
to take your thumb and index and little finger and
just hold them out and make a flipping motion, let's say,
flipping over motion, that is precisely what it did. It
didn't it flipped over to the other side. This is
exactly what was had been recorded on the fourth of
January in two thousand and southern Illinois with one of
the objects that was seen by the police officers. But
it was recorded by a missus Nancy Carpenter, and that
was included in one of the episodes of UFO Honors.
So it was a similar object, if not the same object.
Now we know again I had mentioned that we know
the plane was, we know where the plane was. We
knew there was a distance between of approximately a mile
and a half, possibly two miles. And this is one
of the photos from one of the clips that I
took from mister Don Myers. And what I did was
I did overlay on his house. He could see to
the left where I am exactly in the sky the
object was, which was over some power lines, but substantially
further away, but between him the object flew the airplane.
So we know that to be the case. In point
the bottom there to the left is an interesting story.
One gentleman called me up and he said, and I
had so many phone calls, was one right after another.
And I got on the phone. I grabbed that I
had two others. I had him on hold, and I said,
are you calling about the lights? He's seeing the sky?
He says, no, I'm calling about the spaceship. I saw
you got my attention, so I said, well, he says,
I'm very nervous about this. I'll tell you about this
in person. I go fine. I gave my address. He
came over with his daughter and son, and we found
out that He says, you know, I was driving down
the road trying to get to Frankfurt, and I was
cutting through the back roads by the Tweeter Center. Now
there is a large forest preserve area right below there
and would be to the left. And you look at
that map on the left. And he's driving along and
he sees these lights in the sky. He's driving along,
he turns down the road and the one set of
lights is directly over him. As he gets under this object,
he sees that it's some massive object just sitting in
the sky. And the object to your right, that square
toier right is what he described. And he says, I
couldn't believe what I was seeing. So I drove around twice.
He drove around the forest preserved twice. He finally got
out of his truck and he stood there. He grabbed
his cell phone and he called his daughter and she
was driving down one hundred and fifty ninth Street where
that red arrow is on the left square, lower Send Square.
She was looking west and she's saying, no, no, Dad,
I see a triangular object. Three lights in the sky.
She was seeing the triangular object. He was seeing something
entirely different, a horseshoe shaped craft with three illuminations below it.
And he says, it had a boom with some round
thing on top of it. But it was a boom,
he said, at first, I thought it was something like
an a wax plane. But this thing was brown and
it was on this It kept on saying, a boom
some extension. And he says, I stood there and it
kept moving, jerking back and forth, as if it was distorting.
It was. I couldn't get it quite right in my vision,
and he says, and like an idiot, I got my
truck and I went home, and I regret that. I
regret it ever since. So that's part of what transpired there. Again,
I'm only hitting a few high points on a very
lengthy investigation and very a lot of very interesting observations.
At one time, after we did the did the episode
for UFO Hunters, it was playing one evening and a
gentleman called me at home. How he got my number,
I don't know, but he asked me if I was
the person on the television, and I asked, what do
you watch it? And sure enough it was UFO Hunters,
and it was that episode. He says, I am a
Noah weather spotter, and I live up in Wahsa, Wisconsin,
and every so often I go to it's a regular procedure.
I go to the fire the fire tower on Rib Mountain,
and I look to see what's going on as far
as any distant weather patterns coming in on this night,
he said, And this was during that time period of
I believe it was August. During that first episode, he says,
I was driving down there in my truck and I
seen these three huge illuminations over the mountain. I go
up there, I drive. I was so excited I got
out of my truck. I didn't even close the door.
Speaker 1: He says.
Speaker 2: I get underneath it, and I still can't make sense
out of it. It's this huge, massive object. And as
he's going up the tower, climbing up there, he says,
I see that there is a form that's between these illuminations,
and in the center is this massive red section that
he said actually had segments to it that looked almost
like windows, but it was broken up in a bunch
of segments, and he saw motion inside of it. So
he gets up there and he says, At each point
or corner of the triangle are these recessed whitish lights.
And then in back of it is this black, very
very dark section that opens up, and an object comes
out of it. And it made a particular sound. It
sound like it sounded like a vacuum or a turbulence
of air shush, a very unusual sound. And he, as
he says, he was climbing up there, he felt electrical
static throughout his whole body. His body was being being
tortured with these these these pricks of electricity, static electricity.
And as he gets up there, he notices the body
of the object undulating. This is a quote undulating, like
that of the skin of a eel, And so I
says undulating, He says, yes, And it reminded me of
an eel. Yet it also looked like a disturbance, like
if you were to look at a heat coming off
of a hot road or the asphalt. It was distortion.
It was very unusual. He comes home that evening, gets
back to his car and somehow the doors shut, which
is strange because there was nobody there. Well, by the way,
the object comes out of there, flies off, goes over
a car, the car stops, lights go off, then that
object takes off further south. I believe what he said,
comes back, goes back in, and the whole object moves
away very slow, then rapidly takes off. He tells me, Sam,
that is one object. It's not three multiple objects. It's
one object. He got home that evening and he was
so shaken, but yet hungary. He goes to the microwave.
He reaches over to the plastic handle and there was
such an electrical discharge that it burnt a hole in
his thumb. And he said, now, mind you. This was oh,
maybe a year or two afterwards, he says, to this day,
I still have a hole in my finger. He said,
my ring was magnetic and my brand new watch was
completely destroyed.
Speaker 1: Geez crazy. Yeah, and that was I'm sorry. This was
the guy that called you. And that was actually from Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that actually took place I think during the
first event in August, because he was soon there after.
We had multiple things going on at that time. I
was working on three cases. I was working on this,
and I was working on the very unusual case up
in Wisconsin. That one is just absolutely insane and also
involved a triangular craft being seen in and about that
same time period up there. But they had tons of
weird stuff. And then I was working on another case
in Arizona and they also had the triangular craft obviously
near the Phoenix area. So I mean this two thousand
and four, that's right. That's why I'm writing the book
and the titles called Year of the Weird. If I
ever get my button gear to finish it, it's going
to incorporate so many of the unusual things that were
going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was another here's two thousand and four. A
lot was going on. The Nimts, you know, the strike group,
the tic TAC all happened the same year.
Speaker 2: Happen. Now, get a load of this, remember they said,
and the Princeton was painting. They were painting on the
New Ages guy, you know the radar system. Two weeks
prior to the tic TAC event. They were watching these
things painting on the radar, falling out of the sky
from eighty thousand feet up. And they said there were
hundreds of them. These objects were coming in and this
would have taken it two weeks prior, would have taken
it to win, because that was November fourteenth, would take
us to thirty first two thousand and four last mass
sighting at Timley Park. Is there a correlation or coincidence? Hell, yes,
there's more. They're substantially more. But we definitely don't have
the time, and I'd love to take some questions or
engage in some some mark on. Oh, by the way,
people always wonder, well, are there other cases? Yes? That
other case was a Lafayette case of November the twentieth,
twenty eleven, and that was in Lafayette, Lafayette, Colorado, same thing,
same configuration, and it was seen in a Lafayette and
in Boulder. And what I find interesting is they had
asked the airport if they could get any information or
if anything happened, and that was nothing transpired, same thing
with me. I filed Alfoya for the October thirty first sighting.
I filed, I filed it on time. Everything was correct,
and I followed up on it and I called Area
twelve or Area five down in Dallas. They told me, Sam,
if it's a UFO, you're not going to get anything,
and you know that, and I know it, but I
had to follow up anyways. Then I got an email
stating that the person who was in charge at did
WE Airport. Word that would have been in charge of
giving that information was out on a maternity leave. Now
I find that very odd. I figured somebody would have
covered that position, and therefore I missed the time. And
it's only X number of days that you could retrieve
that information.
Speaker 1: I actually lived in Lafayette, Colorado, when I was twenty
through twenty through twenty one, I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is yeah, that's five thousand, some one hundred
five two hundred and some feet up in the airs.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the mile high area. Right.
So here's the question, do you think that they are
ours or actually from somewhere else?
Speaker 2: I don't know. In fact, you know, the question gets
boysed to me all the time, and you know, my
I'm pretty I'm not one to hand out extraterrestrial off
the cuff, you know what I mean. But it is,
it's so bizarre, and it does fit so many other
patterns and descriptions, especially the Carteret sightings of July of
two thousand and one, the Rockford mass sightings, which nobody
hears about exactly similar the mass sighting in southern Illinois,
the extremely bizarre rotation just consider the size of this
object fifteen hundred feet to three thousand feet. Where on
Earth do you construct something like that? And then other
objects coming in coming out. There were other things that
were also in photographs, such as laser discharges. And during
this period of time, police war pilots were complaining about
their cockpits being it with lasers during that bind during
that time, and they were assuming it was just children
playing around with lasers, and I disagree. I think that
some of these objects may have been accountable for that.
Speaker 1: Here's another question from long time and good buddy Bobby. Question,
was any shape of the craft ever discerned?
Speaker 2: Now, Bobby, stop and think you have three illuminations, possibly four? Okay,
you could have anything you just think of a shit.
It could be anything from a equalateral or not equalateral,
but a an Isosceles triangle or an op to triangles
some degree, or a tetrahedron. And as you may recall
my presentation of that case something British Columbia Martin with
that it was actually a quadrahedron up there. You could
have multifaceted objects where they have these facets to it,
and they could they could be pyramidal. They could be
a quadra you know, uh, quadrihedrons, polyhedrons, it could be anything.
I think they're more complex than what we may think.
So this is something that that boggles my mind. And
I had had some dealings with this up in the
Frederick's case, and I think we could get into that
after our break. But I'll take maybe a quick question.
Speaker 1: Well there's no braain. Oh how long has it been
since you've been on the show. This is an our
show man.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, damn, we're.
Speaker 1: Coming along up to Uh. I think we got like
five minutes. Yeah, we have five minutes left. So how
it goes so fast? So I was just looking to
see if there's any other questions. If you have any questions,
just please try to put him in caps. But anyway,
you mentioned there was that one you may have said
it was a doctor that saw this thing that looked
like had an extended like sphere or something. Was it
a sphere? Because that gentleman.
Speaker 2: That gentleman, I didn't want to go on on the record.
I guess he had a lot of tickets, but he
was very earnest. His daughter confirmed everything. His son was there.
We probably would have had far more conversation. But his
son was hyperactive and they had to go take him
to the doctor for one thing or another. But the
daughter was was very she was shaken up by it.
She goes, yeah, I seen this thing, and I was
My friends were driving west bound and he's telling me
he's seeing something and I'm not seeing what he's seeing.
He's not seeing what I'm seeing. This guy was shooking up,
really shooking up, and a lot of people were. I
recall giving I was giving a talk at a library
and a person was there from the community, and they
had a skylight and they were in their kitchen doing dishes,
and all of a sudden, the inside of the kitchen
just started glowing with all these unusual colors. And she
looks up in the skylight and what the heck is this?
And they went out and they seen this massive thing.
And that was one of one of the days we had.
We had so many unusual There's so many stories and
so many other really worthwhile personal accounts that need to
be told about this. That's why I really need to
finish up this book, because it is by far one
of the best mass sightings of something, whether it's ours,
theirs or or whatever. It's still mysterious, and if it's ours,
damn it. I want one.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I remember, just like David Fravor said he'd
like to try one of those things. Oh yeah, you
could try piloting one of those. But here's one more.
I don't think it's a question, is it. I've seen
the triangles?
Speaker 2: No, yes, the orbs come off. Yes, the orbs come
off and they come in and out. The other thing
is I had another witness who had seen the triangle.
I was down their house because they were having so
many unusual occurrences. This was a hot area where we
were doing night watches to do proactive research. And what's
so much fun is we were out there on nine
nights and Chris, thank you so much. And we got
Wendy and Wendy out there. I know they're out there
summers and God bless them. They've been very supportive of me.
Speaker 1: So that is a question, right, he did ask, and
you did answer about them coming off the crowd.
Speaker 2: Yes, they yes. And when I showed him this this video,
go oh, that's the big triangle. We've seen that. And
by the way, there's there's a boom that comes off
the front and the back and there's a red light
on that. I go, boy, that is real confusing.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well Sam, this went fast as usual, and I
feel like you have so much more to say. A
two hour show could actually work easily. But thanks so much.
It's always always great to see you, and we'll be
talking soon. I'll have you back on the show again.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my friend.
Speaker 1: You take care, take care again. Next week we'll be
back with Alejandro Rojas and remember to keep your eyes
to the stuff.
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