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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Want to welcome everyone back to the Peakingano Show. I

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have two frequent beloved guests here today, So Thomas, how

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are you doing?

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Speaker 2: And well? Thanks for.

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Speaker 1: D how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm fantastic, man. Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: All right, d this was your uh, this was your

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idea for a conversation, So have at it.

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Speaker 3: Man, Thank you so much. So everyone should totally check out.

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I mean everything that Beat and Thomas have done together,

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but the Moseley series in particular I found really fascinating,

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just because you know, Moseley, there's a culture familiar with

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us and and I think episode four or five, you

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guys talked about the Fascist International Conference, the first one,

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first and only one, and we mentioned all the different

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nations that were that were there. And if you haven't

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read Paul Gottfried's Fascist in the Career of a Concept,

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I think it's a really good book. Despite you know,

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doctor Godfried being of the tribe, I believe he's an

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honest man. And it got me thinking that, you know,

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in nineteen sixteen at the Psalm, if you'd gone back

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a century to the Congress of Vienna where the pollion

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was the you know, Hapa recently called it a gentleman's peace, right.

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You have this where despite firearms, most of the people

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in the world were still agricultural peasants, and despite advances

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and things like the McCormick reaper binder in the eighteen fifties,

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or improved yields and crops and other things. Right, like

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an agricultural peasant from like a Roman Latafundia would fundamentally understand,

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like a guy who was growing food in Mississippi in

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like eighteen fifty five. But in the nineteenth century, between

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the PSALM and Vienna, you had cars, trains, refrigeration, canning,

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telecommunications and the telegraph and the telephone. I mean just

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literally everything in normal life. Everyday life changed one hundred

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percent and in a very rare al way, like World

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War One represents like the death of the old world,

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and fascism is this opportunity. There's like there's three kind

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of semi coherent ways to deal with this new change

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world that happens after the war, after the Great War

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of capitalism, Bolshevism, and fascism, and really, to me, the

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only one that actually kind of makes coherence ince with

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like human beings as they are that have particular loves

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and attachments and you know, it doesn't destroy your religion

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and whatever. Fascism was the one coherent way to actually

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address all these changes without like just air rejecting them entirely.

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There are people who will, you know, larpest Catholic monarchists

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or whatever, and like we just need to go back

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to the way it was in the thirteenth Like that's

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a nice thought, but that ain't happen. So I couldn't

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think of anybody better than Thomas to like actually elucidate

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how fascism was. This just very real attempt to grapple

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with the world as it now found itself. And I

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think that people need to understand that, like those are

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your alternatives, right, you can have Bolshevism, you can.

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Speaker 2: Have Judeo.

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and people like Shutter they invoked it for the same reason,

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even though he didn't think that it was particularly useful

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as a descript or in absolute terms. But like, the

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important thing to keep in mind is that the New

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Germany in nineteen thirty three, or would it happen in

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the Soviet Union. Okay, Like it wasn't Roosevelt wasn't just

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this guy. He was like, well, you know, there's a

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structural crisis underway, so we needed an executive to step

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retooling the entire way of living of you know, millions

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and millions of people. And I make the point again

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and again that like what became the Civil Rights Revolution

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ephimistically that started under Roosevelt, like forced racial integration, this

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kind of trying to forcibly strip people of their identitarian characteristics.

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Speaker 4: That was one of the kind of secondary imperatives of

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the military draft, was the kind of condition people towards

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those towards those imperatives.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't it wasn't as kind of like neutral

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administrative apparatus that was implemented. But that also you know,

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had sort of like a war profiteers sensibility, you know,

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in terms of power political affairs, So that that's fundamentally important,

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and uh, it's not in these people were very much

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adjacent the communists. I mean that that's why they It

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wasn't just that they hated the fascists and the national socialists.

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primary sympathy was for communism, you know, like the in

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the view of people like him, you know, this is

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an inevitability, this is the way the world is going,

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you know. And for context too, because the people to

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this day they still talk about guys like Burnham as

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being neocons because you know, in the nineteen twenties they

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would they would bandy socialist ideas. People don't understand that

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ontologically every single person thought that way. Because there's been

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a total collapse of the nascent world economy and in

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the absence of information tech, that situation is unmanageable, Like

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laissez fare is not possible in the true sense if

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there's no such thing as situational awareness up to the moment.

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late nineteen eighties. Like the reason now, like there's not

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true economic crises. I mean, part of that is structural,

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and part of that has to do with the uh

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the deep integration of capital, but the primarily it's the

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elimination of uncertainty. Like I can tell you right this moment,

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like what's happening in European markets. Okay, even like forty

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years ago, thirty years ago, I wouldn't know for hours,

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you know, in the nineteen twenties, I wouldn't know for days.

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So this idea that people you know, who weren't inclined

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towards some new dealrism or towards communism or towards utopian socialism, whatever,

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they were just advocating status models of the planned economy

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or whatever, or that they were like bandying Keysianism. They

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weren't doing that because like they had some ethical disposition

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in that way. It's because that's the way every single

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person thought. You know, you've if you started telling about

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laissez fair economics, people have looked at you like you

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were an idiot or a crazy person, like how would

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that even have worked? You know, So there's that I

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tend to agree to change gears back to the main

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subject matter because that was kind of a tangent. I

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generally agree with Arne Noltzi. I think fascism like true

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fascism as it emerged the you know, in Italy, it

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was a radical tendency. It was as much a radical

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tendency as communism was. It just didn't have the same

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political orientation. Obviously had a lot of that was born

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a future shock, you know, but also the international situation

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had to do with it. You know, I make the

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point again and again. One of the reasons there's the

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alibi of conservatives in other Midwies that oh, you shouldn't

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be too hard on Churchill because the U kid to

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prevent the ascendency of a rival power in Germany that

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was dead like cabinet warring, and you know, this kind

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of sense of of oh, we've got to you know,

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we've got to strangle geostrategic rivals in utero to like

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preserve you know, our ability to manage these captive markets

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and things like that died in nineteen fourteen. You know,

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by the time of the Great Depression, this superpower era

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was emerging, you know, so Japan and Europe and Germany specifically.

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But I mean I say Europe because the axis wasn't

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this Germany. That's a misconception that this was some German

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nationalist enterprise but Japan through what they called the Greater

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Asia Co Prosperity Sphere, and Germany slash Europe would become superpowers.

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They would ferish you know, and you know, I put

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it to people who invoked that sort of ethical alibi

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that I just invoked. You know, the UK obviously lost

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the war and it became like a third rate power.

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You know, it's now like overrun with with with aliens

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and is you know quite literally airstripped one. So like obviously,

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like that victory was the most pureic victory that's ever

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that's ever been had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mosley was completely correct, right, like we had to

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secure the empire, We're going to lose it, you know,

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just to briefly bring up like the Nunzia's cult of speed, right,

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we didn't have paved roads until like eighteen twenty My

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think about this, like Roman transportation in like the first

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century was the best roads got until the mid eighteenth century,

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and forty miles an hour was the fastest any human

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being went more than like a second or two and

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live to tell about it for centuries. And as you

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pointed out right like there's was just no alternative.

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Speaker 4: Well, the two key, the two key uh, the two

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key aspects of future shock that translated that both informed

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and were the catalyst for and and we're most significant

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to the political situation. It was a it was the

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crisis of labor, and it was the military and strategic

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situation and the emergence of of of wartech, devastating wartech

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at scale. And also what's significant is that massive warfare

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at scale basically never ever happens to the twentieth century.

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The fact that this became the reality constantly, that's completely abnormal.

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that again, the wartech that emerged in scale toies I

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the crisis of labor and the fortunes of millions of

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people being bound up with labor imperatives. People can't conceptualize

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that anymore. That's the reason why I'm always telling people

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don't use the term working class. There is no working class.

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went away in the early nineties. Like we say working class.

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do work. We're talking about millions and millions of people

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doing pretty much the exact same job in factory settings.

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room for advancement. It's it's a totally urbanized setting for

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it's conditions that don't exist anymore really anywhere on this planet,

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like even in place like China where there's just like

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mass like apple factories. I mean, don't get me wrong.

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and they they don't have like the right to organize

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or anything, and they're very much like exploited. But that's

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that's different than what we're talking about in you know,

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the early twentieth century. Like that's the that's the that's

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the that's the ideological soil, if you will, from where

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like communism emerges, that is the working class. If you

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read up in Sinclair's The Jungle, which I think is

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a great book. You know, I'm not, i know socialist

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like Sinclair was, But what he describes in the Chicago stockyards.

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That's the way that it was. You know, every day

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people die on the job, Like going to your job

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is like going to war. And there's always many want

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to work. Like if you if you age out of

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the ability to physically do your job, if you get

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injured on the job, you'll be thrown away like garbage.

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a way you do, like why do I need you?

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an ontological aspect to it. Like people emphasize a lot

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the fact that these people lived in poverty, often grinding poverty,

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have been ripped out of the out of their kind

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of a natural patterns of living in rural and semi

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rural environments, you know, to go work there because they

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had to do to survive. But also, uh, there's you know,

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but he a lot of his fiction it's like the

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Protagus or some of the secondary characters. They're great war

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veterans who find themselves in factory environments and those experiences

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like bleed into one another, you know, like fighting with

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these dangerous machines, you know, to like earn like a

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paltry wage is like being in the trenches again. You know,

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that's it's not it's not just an accident there. It's

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not just a flex that these guys on the street

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and Vaiemar, you know who fought under the communist banner

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called themselves, you know, combat group of the working class,

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because that wasn't like probally, you know, and those conditions

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are psychologically devastating, you know, like basically you're forced into

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conditions where it's like I I've got to I've got

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to do this dangerous, dirty job otherwise I'll die, you know,

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and I have no recourse.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: That's that's a lot of what underlay I mean, that's

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what underlay all revolutionary in Paris, you know, including fascism

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and Mussolini's background in like the communist movement. Despite what

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a lot of communists said and what a lot of

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a lot of left revisionists say today, it wasn't just

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this this this kind of guys of of of national

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or racial pride or something like Musli. He believed everything

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he said, you know, but he he wasn't putting on

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airs with defining the fascist movement is like a movement

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of like workers and soldiers and artist That's what it was.

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Kind of the it was also responding to. It was

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also responding to tendencies like the action of France, say,

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who were very much reactionary like Morass himself was like

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an atheist and very much kind of like the twentieth

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century modernist. But he believed in like the He thought

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that you know, the romansurch should have like retained like

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a fundamental role in French political life. He believed in

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like the monarchy. You thought these things were like essential

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to the sovereign authority and and like symbolic psychological aspects

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of culture.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Mussolini was responding that large part He's like, no, that's

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that's nonsense. We're done with that, you know, like Mussolini

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kept I mean, Mussolini didn't oppose the monarchy part of it.

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Speaker 2: In Italy. Part of that was tactical.

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Speaker 4: A part of that was, you know, he thought those

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kinds of things were important as a matter of you know,

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like you know, like Latin heritage and stuff. But he uh,

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the National Fajist Party, I agree with erson Nolty, it

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was largely response to that. Like the National Social German

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Workers Party was like very much like a synthesis of

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those things, you know, not entirely consciously. It was like

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a discursion process. But I think that's the way to

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think about it. Frankly, let me jump in. Let me

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jump in and ask a question here. When you look

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at the nineteenth century, with the nineteenth century basically being.

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Speaker 2: A I mean.

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Speaker 1: You had seminaries who were seminaries who were formally reformed,

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adopting Darwinian Darwinian models, so basically the metaphysical has gone away.

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How much of an effect does that have just basically

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I mean on the culture. We know what it does,

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but how much of an effect does that have on

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the political culture. I mean even outside of like Marxism.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tremendously impactful. And that's why that's one of

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the those two things. It was that it was, you

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know the death of metaphysics and things that were things

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like they transcending aspects of culture.

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Speaker 2: But also.

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Speaker 4: You know, people people took for granted that you know,

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religion is dead. You know, even if that thing, even

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though that kind of thing is value, nobody believes in

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that anymore. You know, human affairs are reducible to the

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material and the biological, and that's what underlay like a

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lot of racialism. Like I wrote a whole essay for

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my dear friend uh Giles, who runs the asylum Meg wrote,

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I wrote an essay for it that he asked me

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to because people have this idea that, oh, you know,

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this kind of racialism was some German obsession. That's the

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way everybody thought. You know, America was probably the most

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avidly like racial eugenicist country that existed then. I mean

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people thought that way in England, in Japan and France,

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like this idea that you know, well, the reason humans

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behave the way they do culturally is because of your race.

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Like like I'm not saying like race is a real thing.

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I'm not saying that, but it's not you're like your

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DNA or your blood as they thought in those days,

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like doesn't make you like act Jewish or like act

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German like that doesn't make any sense. But in those days,

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everybody thought that way, Like honestly, that's why these like

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internet guys like, I mean, yeah, there's like an ethnic

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component to any sectarian belief structure. And obviously, like obviously

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like Judaism is an ethnos as well as like a

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a sectarian cultural structure. But these guys, these weirdos like

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bandying like oh, Jews are a race like that, nobody

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thinks that way anymore. That's the way people thought in

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in the nineteen twenties, like on both sides of the divide,

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like oh, like you're Jewish because you have this kind

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of you have this kind of blood, you know, like that,

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you know, and if if you're if you're a if

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you're European or Iriyan like or Japanese, you know, your

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blood makes you behave this way like that's that's not

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the way things are like that. That's Darwinist nonsense, you know,

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like Darwinism is nonsense.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: People on the right can't like let that go, but

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that's that's as much it's as much like an Enlightenment

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you know, kind of secular humanist uh lie is is

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the rest of it, you know, like you know, you're

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not you're not something like you're not something like meat

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robot like running up program Like that's not what a

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race is, you know, like yeah, there's a biological aspect

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to it, but that you know, but no, that that's why, uh,

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that's why people the kind of cherry pick. They'll they'll

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look at something like uh, some guy like uh, some

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guy like surroundos scen there or somebody like Mussolini or

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somebody like you know, Hiller like said or wrote about religion.

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They're like, see, like these guys heted religion. It's like

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everybody thought that way, you know. And honestly, like people

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like Hitler or Mussolini, they have like a softer view.

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I mean, first of all, commune it's going to literally like

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merphor you know, still clinging to the old ways. But uh,

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you know, the the the National Souls isn't the fascist.

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I mean they says that their views of of a

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religiosity seemed punitive, which in the kid's out later, I

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don't think they did. They were like look at it,

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look at like the conversation like him leering got loab Burger,

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like Burger's talking about how like, yeah, you need to

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like cultivate like among our Islamic allies, we need to

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like cultivate their like belief and like in in Orthodox

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and Roman Catholic territories, we got to like cultivate like

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religious belief. They were doing the opposite, if anything, but

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it like cynical. Is that way of better or not?

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Like the point being, it wasn't even like for a

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lot of people. It wasn't even like it was a

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value neutral thing like this is the way it is.

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People don't think that way anymore, you know, So why

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why would we talk about that stuff? It's irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: I well, I this is all gold that I do

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think that it's important for listeners to remember that in

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the span of like three generations, like Donna, it was

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actually good at this. If you were like a poor

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peasant and you needed a job, you could go to

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the local burger, the local ritter, the local you know,

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gentlemen in pretty much any country in Europe right before

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nineteen fourteen, it'd be like, hey, I need a job,

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and he'd like, oh, well, I guess I could use

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another gardener, another this and the the vat and of

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you know, between the revolution in industry and the revolution

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in the war right that killed that for a lot

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of reasons, Like the entire upper crust of Britain, of France,

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of Germany, like they all died in the trenches. Russian,

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the entire the aristocracy but itself white all across Europe,

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and you know, the natural leader class just basically got

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slaughtered in nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen. So the and

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I was I was in correct earlier it was Ah,

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it wasn't an NZI when the come to speed as Marinetti.

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I'm sorry, but that brutal work environment that you talked about,

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and you know, the effectively the factory be no different

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than the trenches. Was there any like precedent for this

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in history that we know of? I mean, like I'm

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I'm struggling might find with some kind of parallel here

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where like the entire economic, social, religious, you know, sociological,

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familial paradigm just they all just shattered.

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Speaker 2: There is no parallel.

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Speaker 4: And like despite this one's being the point that I

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only moron say history repeats itself, but absolutely does not,

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you know, like only idiots think that kind of consider

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this man the Ford motor plan. I mean Henry Ford

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was a great man and in part because he humanized

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labor and he and he did he did, he took

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heroic measures to elevate the cody a life of his workforce.

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So that's that's relevant, but just in overall terms. But

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my point is, uh, the Ford Motor plant employed one

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hundred thousand people. That that's utterly insane, like literally tens

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of thousands of people working on one site and uh

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thousands and thousands of men literally doing the same job.

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But that's also like general strike could bring the economy

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to its knees, you know, because these valuated manufacturers, you know,

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there they if you could if you get a halt

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production on them, you know, uh, they you nothing, there

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was no business was being done. You know, it wasn't

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at all like today. And when you're talking about when

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you're talking about a true working class where you have

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you know, people integrated with productive machines, like literally you know,

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all doing the same job. They become part of that

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machine and they can they can stop that machine. And

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like that's why that's also why scab labor became a thing,

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because you can if you've got like a if you

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got like a young man literally with a strong back.

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If you can physically handle it and endure it psychologically

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and physically, you can teach any strong young guy to

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do this job. Like that's part of that's part of

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what was critical to this paradigm is that we're talking

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about physically very difficult but unskilled labor. You know, it's basically,

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you know, it's like a labor army. That's why Spengler

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talked about how the city is a barracks because urbanization

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at scale that's why it doesn't make any sense anymore.

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And like since the seventies when the federal government stopped

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bailing out cities, which was a huge deal under the

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Ford administration, Gerald Ford, like the whole that demand scramble

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has been to like find a way to like make

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cities profitable because they don't make sociological sense, you know,

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I mean, I think cities are important for sociological and

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historical reasons, but they exist. The reason why cities exist

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as we know of them is as worker barracks, you know,

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and finding a way to make them profitable. When that

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paradigm went away, it has been a very difficult thing

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and it's still it's ongoing.

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Speaker 1: Something you said there that uh just triggered something right

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in my brain. Was about general strikes. And you know

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a lot of people will say, oh, the reason why

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you ship your you ship your manufacturing over to China

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is because you know it's cheaper to manufacture there and

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ship back here than it is to manufacture here. Yeah,

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you also don't have a chance, there's no chance of

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having a strike and a shutdown because.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, because it's you ill legal and it's thrown

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in jail, you'll be shot, yeah, exactly, exactly right, well.

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Speaker 3: Or sabotage. Right, Like, think about the average forward plant today.

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How many billions of dollars in human are in capital?

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Is there at a Ford plant? You know, every robot's

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probably twenty five thirty forty thousand dollars or more. I

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have no idea, right.

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Speaker 4: More like I've worked in a machine shop, is my

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first job, and there was these machines that literally had

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been made in World War Two that were valued at

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like seventy seventy five or one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, And that was a number of years ago,

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so they're probably even more now. Right. So you talk

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about an army of labor. Well, armies can go towards

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the other guy, or they can mutiny, and so like

472
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,440
if your workforce mutinies and they destroy a bunch of

473
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,359
your stuff or sabotage any of yourself, and it doesn't

474
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,599
even need to be much, right, like if if one

475
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,920
of your lathes is like a hint, the degree of

476
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,759
a degree out of spec like every single part it

477
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,559
puts out is going to be wrong. And when you

478
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,880
have to have tolerances of thousands of an inch in

479
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,519
order for something to work, Like, think about how crazy

480
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,559
it is it stuggling with my friend's sand batch. About this,

481
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,720
Like if anyone understood what a car is, it's a

482
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:23,799
it's a metal tube filled up with highly explosive, volatile

483
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
gasoline and you light it on fire and you go

484
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:33,079
down the road at ninety miles an hour, like like

485
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,720
that's crazy. And in order for that not to like

486
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,440
just fall apart or break, you have to, you know,

487
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,359
you have to have very tight tolerances. And we're not

488
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,960
talking airplanes, which are even tighter or you know, anything

489
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,759
like that. This is just cars, and they have relatively

490
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,480
loose tolerances compared to something like a airplane or let

491
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:56,160
alone anything involving space. So you've got these where everything

492
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,599
has to be up to spec.

493
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: And percent.

494
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:05,519
Speaker 4: I'll also add two talking about the labor situation and

495
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:11,319
the radicalization of the laboring classes as well as World

496
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,960
War One and managing conflict at scale. You know, this

497
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,039
kind of thing. Uh, it's like trying to ride some

498
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,480
out of control animal, like this idea that every step

499
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,680
of the way the stuff can be controlled, or that

500
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:34,640
there's like discrete kind of temporal snapshots whereby if you're

501
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240
in an executive role, you can somehow put the brakes

502
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,000
on things like that's nonsense, Like these things get out

503
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,640
of control rapidly, and trying to trying to bring a

504
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:51,119
labor revolve under control or trying to end Uh, they're

505
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,559
trying to bring a conflict to you know, to to

506
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,519
cease fire, as was the case in like nineteen sixteen,

507
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:03,519
ninety seventeen. That's that's almost impossible. You know, like once

508
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:06,039
these things start, they can't really be stopped. They have

509
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:08,799
to run their course. And I I mean that was

510
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,680
the case. If you're talking about if you're talking about uh,

511
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,240
you know, some some some local lord in the fifteen hundreds,

512
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,519
if you're talking about a national state of eighty million people,

513
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,240
you know, involved in a war that's rapidly becoming mechanized,

514
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:32,559
you know, where where twenty million men are mobilized fighting it.

515
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:37,519
It's impossible to stop it, you know. And that's why

516
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,759
uh and there were there's in and and the leadership

517
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,359
development was uniquely ill suited to do that, you know.

518
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,000
I make the point again again, is the reason why

519
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:50,599
Hi Hitler actually personally hated very few people. I mean,

520
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,000
he wouldn't have gotten very far as and he certainly

521
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:56,559
wouldn't become the most single powerful man in the world

522
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,039
if he said around hating people. He hated the Kaiser

523
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,839
Billhelm and many many veterans did as they should have,

524
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,679
because he was a piece of shit. And Holveg was

525
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,360
was the real Holveg and Franz Joseph and the Hasbury

526
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,760
Empire were like the real heroes the central powers in

527
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,800
my opinion. But and both of them understood that if

528
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,119
this war begins, that we won't be able to stop it,

529
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,159
you know. I Meanwhile, the Kaiser was carrying on and

530
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,280
with he was like some kind of money python character

531
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,960
or something. It's like oblivious to these things. I mean,

532
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,159
as we're like a lot of his counterparts, to be fair,

533
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,800
across the continent. But you know, uh, the German Empire

534
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,719
was a mixed system. It was, you know, the Bismarckian system.

535
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,079
There was a genuine separation between state and government. But

536
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,719
at the end of the day, I mean, the Kaiser

537
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,920
an ultimate war authority, you know, I mean people the

538
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,960
general staff, the Reich's Kinsler, you know, these these guys

539
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,480
had a lot of power, and they had independent power

540
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,239
to negotiate within reason, but I mean it was in

541
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,800
the hands of the Kaiser, and like, if you got

542
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,719
some if you got guys, you know, guys who were

543
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,800
born in the mid nineteenth century who have been kind

544
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,960
of cloistered within palace walls, like both physically and conceptually,

545
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:25,760
and a modern mechanized war is in their hands like that,

546
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,480
that's that's a nightmare, you know, I mean, that's part

547
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:28,760
of it.

548
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I got were talking. Hitler was born in

549
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:41,239
eighteen and Mussolini was eighteen eighty three, I believe, right,

550
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,880
So they were young men when like the world had

551
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,920
changed in a crazy fashion. But all the guys you'd mentioned,

552
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,199
you know, the Kaiser was born in what eighteen fifty three,

553
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,199
I want to say, I can't remember, but you know,

554
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,840
like the eighteen fifty, like he was an old man

555
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,679
by nineteen fourteen, and he was literal prince, right, so

556
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,400
he's in this. He's never had to work in industrial

557
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,639
Even the Kings of France who quote him work for

558
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,960
they were taught a trade as part of their regnal duties,

559
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,679
right they were. They were never taught like, okay, be careful,

560
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,639
don't stick your finger in this or lose an arm.

561
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Like that was never a thing that any of these

562
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,480
people ever had to deal with.

563
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: I think Joseph was an exception, and he was. He

564
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,599
was possitively elderly by the honest of hostilities. But he

565
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,559
Fronz Joseph. He'd regularly fast, he slept on a military cot.

566
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,760
He like would fore go a luxury. He was a

567
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,880
career soldier, like even when he was out of active service,

568
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,599
like he'd still like were a uniform every day, Like

569
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:47,679
he didn't like like regal finery. But yeah, go ahead, generally, Yeah,

570
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,679
that's he was the exception that proves the rule.

571
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's he's uh. There are people who want

572
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,000
to canonize him. No one of Catholics, particularly who want

573
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,880
to canonize him because he was just such a he

574
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,639
tried so hard to stop this, you know, as you mentioned,

575
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,199
like it had a momentum on its own where like

576
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:06,480
no one could stop it. You know, like perhaps in

577
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,599
nineteen thirteen, like if all the cousins had met and

578
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:13,280
been like this is insane, Like if they'd gotten together

579
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,000
and perhaps done a demonstration like this is what a

580
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
modern machine gun can do, and like had a bunch

581
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:18,440
of cows in the field or something.

582
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 4: That's that's critical too. Like after after Waterloo, there wasn't

583
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,360
a real European war, like there was the there's the

584
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,079
Franco Prussian War, which was like ach which was like

585
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:32,960
an incredible victory and that's like I would put the

586
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,159
Prussians on the map. And there was there was a crimea,

587
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,199
but the Crimea was like very much restricted to localize theaters.

588
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,400
But there you know, there wasn't a real like modern war.

589
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,960
There was guys and the guys who'd served the in

590
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,000
as mercenaries in the War between the States and America,

591
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,199
Like some of them tried to send the alarm bells

592
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,920
like look like this is going to be a slaughter.

593
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:02,000
But yeah, they people atnoyed what modern WaRTeK was like,

594
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,239
because they'd have been a century since most people have

595
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,599
been exposed that kind of thing.

596
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 3: And everything has changed so much too.

597
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well, that's one of the things I

598
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480
wanted to bring up is you go from the Franco

599
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:18,000
Prussian War to World War One, which is less than

600
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,039
fifty years and World War One you have planes that

601
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,039
are flying around and they're dropping manually dropping bombs out

602
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,840
of them, and then just less than twenty years later,

603
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:32,320
the Condor Legion is friggin lighting cities on fire in Spain.

604
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:39,360
I mean, how do you not how does humanity and

605
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:45,480
people who are of a high culture thinking, people who

606
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:49,679
are looking towards the eternal and looking towards doing great things,

607
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,039
how are they not all over the place in trying

608
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,519
to figure out an ideology when you in twenty years

609
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:58,800
you go from oh, here, I'm dropping a bomb out

610
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,519
of a plane with my hand, I just let gornick

611
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:02,079
on fire.

612
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,599
Speaker 4: Yeah no, and things like and and things like things

613
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,159
like chemical warfare. I mean, it's not just like poison

614
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,400
gas is disgusting, and it's it's just like awful to contemplate.

615
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,480
That's that's a terrible way to die. But this idea

616
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,719
that you know, I can, I can, I can fire

617
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,440
poison at you, like well outside of visual range through

618
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:32,119
like indirect fire, you know, and uh, within seconds, you'll

619
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,880
be like your lungs will tread to pieces and you'll

620
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,320
die like choking on those pieces or h you know,

621
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,480
like you'll you'll scratch your you'll you'll you'll scratch some

622
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,800
sense of areas your body bloody because like a blistering

623
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,880
agent is is is like tearing your skin apart, you know,

624
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,599
like that kind of stuff. It's like something out of

625
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,400
like science fiction. That'd be like if guys went to

626
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,639
war tomorrow and like the Ivans or uh, like the Koothies,

627
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,599
I'd like found a way to like launch like a

628
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,159
xenomorse at you that like grab your face and then

629
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,039
like pop out of your chest. Like I mean that's

630
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:07,960
I'm being ubtoos, but that's like what it would be like.

631
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,679
But people just like what the fuck, you know, like

632
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,239
I that I mean not like people were, I mean

633
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,760
people are habituated to violence, unfortunately, very much in those

634
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,800
days of a non cool like noble sword. But stuff

635
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,039
like that is just like the horrors of technology kind

636
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:25,440
of shit, I guess is my point.

637
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,519
Speaker 3: Like the largest the Grand Army got was like six

638
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,719
hundred thousand people, and that was only very briefly, right,

639
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,679
and then like World War One, that's not even I mean,

640
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,920
that's like casualties for a couple of months.

641
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: You know.

642
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, the burn rate is was unbelievable. And well it's

643
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,599
also too the some of the some of the exigencies

644
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,280
that emerge in game theory and like reach their zenith,

645
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,159
you know, by the final cycle of the Cold War,

646
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,320
where this condition of strategic parody and planning for nuclear

647
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,639
war fighting. You know, you're like you, as commander of

648
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,199
a or as part of the command element of strategic

649
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,239
nuclear forces, your charge of identifying potential war indicators, like

650
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,159
before the enemy has even started to act, arguably before

651
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:23,599
he even understands that conditions are moving towards war, you know,

652
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:26,239
and then you know, you've got to ably read those

653
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,800
indicators and decide whether to like preemptively assault or not.

654
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Like stuff like that was though those kinds of variables

655
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,239
are already emergent in nineteen fourteen, and that's why I

656
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,280
believe I agree with the AJP.

657
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: Taylor.

658
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: When when the Russian Empire, when the Tzar gave the

659
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,519
order to mobilize. Russia had a two phase mobilization paradigm,

660
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,199
and once it was implemented, Uh, even if the even

661
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,639
even if the Zar or I don't know if the

662
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,840
Russian Imperial Army had a general staff or not, whatever

663
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,960
their command element was, even if hear them and put

664
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,480
the brakes on mobilization. You know, if if if the

665
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,960
German Empire and the Hats were an empire like hadn't assaulted,

666
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,320
they would have been dead because they would like roll

667
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,360
the dice and been like, okay, well we'll not mobilize,

668
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,880
and kind you know, taking like bizarre it like his word,

669
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,559
but it's like if this is a war, ruse like

670
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:36,400
we're dead, you know, because you don't have force. Even

671
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,679
if you have forces in being, and even if you

672
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,840
have like a properly trained and outfitted like reserve system

673
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,440
of like able bodied men, they're not like sitting around mobilized,

674
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:55,039
you know. So essentially it's the equivalent of like deloping.

675
00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:00,559
What if metaphorically speaking like well you're doing like opponent

676
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,599
like has his weapon trained on you. You know, so

677
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,400
this head I'm sure people listening are gonna think, I'm

678
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:11,719
I'm I'm being punitive and mean to the Russians. I'm

679
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,440
not there's not like a moral component here. I'm saying,

680
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,960
like in causal terms, when when the Tsar gave the

681
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,159
order to mobilize forces, the die was cast. They couldn't

682
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:26,679
be stopped anymore. When a Howag approached the French at

683
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:29,639
the eleventh hour and begged them to stand down, if

684
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:34,599
they had done that, I think that that would have

685
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,039
that would have stayed the hand of the Russians because uh,

686
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:40,880
then they would have been fighting. Uh, they would have

687
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,280
been fighting both the German Empire and the Habsburgs on

688
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,760
like a single front, whereby like the bulk of both

689
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,800
forces could be thrown at the Tsar's army. But that's

690
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:55,559
that's a bit abstract. But yeah, that that's important to consider.

691
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,079
Speaker 2: Man and it play.

692
00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 4: It also relates to to like I said, like like

693
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:07,480
situational awareness, particularly as regards uh, the window decision temporally,

694
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:16,159
you know, as to responding to world market conditions. There's

695
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,519
a parallel, not just not just a similar not in

696
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,360
terms of similarity like structural similarity, but there's a parallel

697
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,360
and in terms of causality, you know, between military and

698
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:37,039
geopolitical crises and UH and and economic uh events at

699
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:41,079
scale you know, and this is uh. These are the

700
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,880
things that really created kind of like the the the

701
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,239
late modern state, you know, like the managerial state, if

702
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:54,320
you will, as ah as James Burnham called it. You know,

703
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,920
like in some ways we're very fortunate.

704
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,599
Speaker 2: Man, Like I'm not.

705
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 4: I don't want to pontificate or derail the conversation, but

706
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,639
I especially if you're old enough to remember the Cold War.

707
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,280
I mean I was like a little kid and like

708
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:07,880
a very young team when the Cold War was going on,

709
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,320
but it was just something you lived with. Ire people

710
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,280
these days are like are compared to even forty years ago,

711
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,440
or like unbelievably safe. That's why it's bizarre in the act,

712
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,480
like a bunch of hysterical old women all the time

713
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,280
are scared of everything. It's like, what the fuck you

714
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,480
talking about? Like compared to somebody one hundred or fifty

715
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,000
or forty years ago, you're like unbelievably safe. Yeah, I

716
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,400
didn't mean, well, it's like but.

717
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:36,559
Speaker 1: It's also like you say, Thomas, the US military is

718
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,480
designed just to fight the Cold War. So is our

719
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,719
political So is our political thought. That's what we're taught.

720
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:46,360
We're just I mean that our philosophy now is we're

721
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,840
just continually fighting the Cold War. Everyone's an enemy, everyone's

722
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,039
out to get us. And then it's just come home

723
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,880
and now it's we're fighting the Cold War in our

724
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,519
home on her on the home front.

725
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:58,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, and you'd think that,

726
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:03,039
Like again, I you know, I'm the first to admit

727
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:07,599
or first to emphatically state that history doesn't repeat itself.

728
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,039
But when you're talking about but I mean, human activity

729
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:14,559
is basically like a closed uh loop. You know, like

730
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,960
there's like limited numbers of like outcomes, you know, and

731
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,800
there's like there's like there's not like infinite variables like

732
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,239
human behavior. Okay, so there's like parallels. So if you're

733
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,280
trying to you're trying to like identify, if you're trying

734
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,519
to like identify potential courses of action like in any

735
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:35,320
given like emergent scenario of a political nature, you know,

736
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,760
you you do go to the historical record like trying

737
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,320
to find parallels. I mean, like obviously, particularly on things

738
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:47,480
related to like military questions. The it's really unprecedented for

739
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,519
that that level like kind of structural sinility. The way

740
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,400
like America is it's like it's like total inability to

741
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,519
like adapt after November nineth, nineteen eighty nine, like Bush

742
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,840
and Baker were adapting, which is it's asking how like

743
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,039
the deep state totally and completely sabotaged like their vision

744
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,800
moving forward and globalism. Like I'm not saying you got

745
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,199
to think like Bush was like a like Bush forty

746
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,760
one was like a good guy or something. But what's it.

747
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,119
Speaker 3: His management at the end of the Cold War, how

748
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,800
no one got nuked? Is I mean like it's it's

749
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,119
really truly. Yeah, it's a remarkable diplomatic achievements.

750
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Gulf War Coalition that was the Prussians would

751
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,599
envy that, like in terms of like how the war

752
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,119
was executed, but the way he he corralled literally.

753
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the.

754
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 4: The Syrians, the Saudis, he had that he had he

755
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:44,320
had he had the Soviet Union which was its final

756
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,639
days then like sign off in the operation. You know,

757
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,960
like he had like he had a literal like army

758
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,079
of the nations like arrayed against Saddam. That's that's completely insane.

759
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,119
Like the guy was like a historical giant of a

760
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,639
US president in post war terms, Like even if you

761
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:02,440
don't like him, Like some guy the other day in

762
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,480
the Internet was like, you know Bush forty one was

763
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:06,599
he was what a gray man. Idiots, I'm like, what

764
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,800
the fuck are you talking about? Like that that's so

765
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,079
like delusional. But but no, but the the total inability

766
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,800
of the deep state to manage like the post Cold

767
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,159
War environment, and it shows you like how like the

768
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,440
rot was deep, like even people this idea that like

769
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:28,880
the Reagan era was like really based and the government

770
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,960
really had it shit together. And don't get me wrong,

771
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:35,480
that cadre that that filled out the Bush forty one administration,

772
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:40,199
like James Baker, Casser Weinberger, Laurence Elberger, like a bunch

773
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,119
of these guys, Like those guys were like very serious guys,

774
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:49,320
especially Baker. Baker's somebody I really admire, Okay, but uh,

775
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:56,199
the wider kind of uh national security apparatus, it was

776
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:59,760
a bunch of goofs and and idiots, you know, like

777
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,440
I'm people who just couldn't handle, you know, the the

778
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,480
changing of the guard figuratively and literally, and and and

779
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:10,960
they didn't want the Cold War to end because like

780
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,559
they they were it was it was it was like

781
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,280
basically like a con to them. It was just like

782
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,679
a way of like you know, being able to kind

783
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,599
of live off the public coffers and profit by the

784
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:23,920
ongoing threat of a.

785
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:26,639
Speaker 2: Done of war.

786
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,599
Speaker 3: Don Remsfeld and Dick Cheney just yeah, guys like that exactly.

787
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,679
They just treated the entire thing like this existential struggle.

788
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:37,840
And I'm I'm just old enough to remember like the

789
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,519
Cold War when it was serious, and I grew up

790
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,159
next to, you know, a military base on the West Coast,

791
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:44,320
and so there were times when I was a kid

792
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,719
where like you know, the f sixteens would come screaming,

793
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:52,000
you know, off their off their base, and like you know,

794
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:53,639
you knew some serious shi it was going down.

795
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 4: Or like when I was in elementary school, we'd still

796
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,400
have they called them by then, emergency drills, like euphemistically,

797
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,079
you know, like we'd have to we'd have to go

798
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,400
to date's like the bell would ring like three times

799
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,719
over and over again, and we'd have to like go

800
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,880
single file to the lower level. And then you'd like,

801
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,199
we're like that was structure, the reasoning being like it

802
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:26,360
was structurally more robust, I guess, and like every classroom

803
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,760
had like a number that was posted where like you'd

804
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,719
have to and like that for you like a symbol,

805
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,199
and then like you'd get down on your hands and

806
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,400
knees and you'd duck and cover and like put your

807
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,039
head like against the wall and we have to hold

808
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,400
the position for thirty seconds. It was, oh, this is

809
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,039
the emergency drill. Yeah, well the only emergency you do

810
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:48,559
that in is nuclear war, okay. And so this, uh

811
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,239
I felt like slapping people. I mean even not just

812
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,159
not not just I mean I get kids a pass

813
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,039
like young people, I mean people fuckers like my age

814
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,480
and older. Like when the COVID thing was everything, We've

815
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,679
never faced a threat like that. I'm like, what the

816
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,719
fuck are you talking about? Are you insane? You know,

817
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,599
like I and every other kid in America grew up

818
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:12,039
with the reality you might become counter value attrician, you know.

819
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:16,559
I mean, like it was the seasonal flu is like

820
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:20,239
an existential menace, unlike anything really like it's but that's

821
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,280
that's a digression.

822
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 3: Well it is I think a good illustration of just

823
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,599
how fundamentally unserious are our elite had become, right, Like

824
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,480
I've talked about this on Peacha before and everyone should

825
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:37,920
check out, like it's serious. Doctor Johnson on Twitter years together,

826
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,400
but like fundamentally, this whole Ukraine thing is just because

827
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,480
like a bunch of American neocons are still salty about

828
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,320
the Hammannitsky program program from sixteen forty eight. I mean,

829
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,199
that's that's why the war in Ukraine is a thing, right, And.

830
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,559
Speaker 4: I mean the tribe absolutely hates Russia. Like the degree

831
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,039
to which they hate Russia like can't be overstated, like

832
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:03,880
just anecdotally. I kind of like Ralph Bakshi, even though

833
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,119
he's like a huge fucking jew, like you know, the animator.

834
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,079
He made this really interesting movie called American Pop, and

835
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,480
I really like that movie, and it's basically about this family.

836
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,920
It follows like these four generations of these guys. Like

837
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,519
one of them is like this vaudeville performer, Like one

838
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:21,559
of them is just like piano prodigy gets killed in

839
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,559
World War Two. One of them's like this songwriter is

840
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:26,519
kind of like a cross between like Louied and de

841
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:29,519
d Ramone who becomes like this huge heroin addict and

842
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:33,400
his son then becomes this like uh, this like huge

843
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,599
rock star, you know, like in the nineteen eighties. It's

844
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:40,480
it's a cool movie, but it opens up where the

845
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,119
Cossacks to like programming like the Russian Jews, because like

846
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,519
even Bakshi used like this, like New York City guy,

847
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,639
He's like, oh, you know, the Russians are like you know,

848
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:52,360
they're doesn't have the Semitic bastards like that. That's literally

849
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,480
like their number one enemy. They fucking hate the Russians

850
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:58,039
to be the fare of the Russians, have no love

851
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,559
for them. But the Ukraine Wars comple it's it's in

852
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,599
large measure where it was returning the serve for the

853
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:11,800
Russians and Assad's forces, uh, levying a huge defeat against

854
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,199
id F and their and their tech fury proxies in Syria.

855
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,159
Yeah yeah, but I mean so yeah, like anybody, anybody

856
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:21,760
doesn't understand like the dynamic between the Russians and the

857
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,199
Jews as a people, Like it's not in the game, right, Yeah, absolutely.

858
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 3: But but we're you know, we're dealing with right, both

859
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,960
both world wars start over like border disputes in Eastern

860
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,719
Europe that heavily involved Jews, right, and we're supposed to

861
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,639
just sit here and like be like this is fine

862
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,199
and and get more involved in like wait a minute,

863
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,639
didn't World War One start over a border dispute with

864
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,000
Slavs and.

865
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:51,679
Speaker 2: Well it's just this idea too.

866
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,199
Speaker 4: I mean that's just like the monumental ignorance, like it

867
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,719
made the point of people before, you know, like the

868
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,679
American Left, like guys like Peter are in Nets and

869
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,760
the like and in media especially. I mean I thought

870
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,559
those guys were terrible people, but there was like a

871
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:11,840
consistency to him, and you know, they they there there,

872
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,960
there wasn't internal logic to like their perspective like the

873
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,440
American Left now like they want to like they they're

874
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,400
basically a chew eading section for uh, for like the

875
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,440
warfare state. Like it's bizarre. These people are totally illerate,

876
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:33,400
you know, like uh like if the uh if you know,

877
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,800
it's like that scene in the movie Caligula, which is

878
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,719
probably apocryphal, where it's like Coligula he he orders uh

879
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,159
the Roman allegian and it's like assault the seed to

880
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,239
like conquer like Sidon's kingdom or like Neptune, I guess

881
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,559
his kingdom. Okay, Like if Joe Biden had like ordered,

882
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:54,039
like the US Marines wottack the Atlantic Ocean, like these

883
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:56,960
fagots would have been like, yeah, we hate the Atlantic Ocean.

884
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,880
They're like racist and stuff like like they're they're literally retarded,

885
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,159
you know, like they they couldn't find Ukraine on a map,

886
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,039
but they you know, it's like if you're gonna pretend

887
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,679
to like care about some other country, Ukraine is literally

888
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,159
it's it's a failed state in order of Somalia, like

889
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,679
run by a literal like homicidal criminal of mafia. It's

890
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,000
like sitting around saying you love like Edia means Uganda,

891
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,679
Like you know, it's like you really you love Ukraine

892
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,159
like you think like the Zelenski mafia is awesome, and

893
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,280
it's like your idea of like a good government that

894
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,000
then needs to be defended. Like it's you can't you

895
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,599
can't make this ship up. These people are they're literally

896
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:36,239
insane and they're literally retarded.

897
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: Well, and I mean, of course you're right, but this

898
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:52,760
this notion that like individual rights or that a a

899
00:55:53,119 --> 00:56:00,719
society where you were, like weird devotion to and sexualism

900
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:06,039
as religious value, absolute personal autonomy to the point of

901
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:13,440
of you know, like shedding male and female and you know,

902
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:19,960
total liberation from any kind of that that's possible in

903
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,239
any kind of society that actually functions, right, you know,

904
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,760
these people will talk about like, well, you're a gender fascist,

905
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,840
but because I think boys are boys and girls are girls.

906
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:36,000
Like if if egalitarian rousey and liberalism leads you to

907
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:42,000
the point where you think, like cross dressing is a

908
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:44,920
major political issue as opposed to like a very weird,

909
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,280
very niche fetish that should be you know.

910
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why you're like people I make that point

911
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,119
of feel all the time. It's like, don't. It's like

912
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,239
what the fuck you're doing, Like arguing with like sexual paraphelias.

913
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,480
It's like there's always people are insane, and those times

914
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,559
that aren't insane, it's like they're they're basically like they're

915
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:06,159
a making fun of you, and they're be like running

916
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,719
up to sabotage. You don't like engage people who like

917
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,679
say crazy things. That's like arguing with some hobo on

918
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,599
the subway with like shit in his pants, you know,

919
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:15,880
Like you know, it's like I'm not gonna argue with

920
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,840
these fucking people. You know, like not just because I

921
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,159
don't argue with my people's enemies, but it's like, yeah,

922
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:22,760
it's like you just said, it's like if you're if

923
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,840
if if what you believe is politics is like talking

924
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:34,360
about like parrot sexual paraphilia's like uh like, I you know, traditionally,

925
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:37,679
like the remedy to that would would would be to

926
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:38,599
have you shot.

927
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,199
Speaker 3: Right and with good reason, right like and this is

928
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,039
this is why, this is why, like you've seen.

929
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be clear, I'm not going to advocate murdering people,

930
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:51,239
but I'm also not gonna argue with them and pretend

931
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,280
like they have some position that deserves being heard. Yeah,

932
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,039
I'm just enough younger than you.

933
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: I think that like everyone, like, I'm in my mid forties,

934
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,880
so everyone younger than me, like has no coherent memory

935
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:14,360
of like a coherent society. And why they're constantly talking

936
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,440
about fascism and why the research engine interests today. And

937
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,960
I think one of the great services you provide, Thomas,

938
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,400
and I kudos and plaudits for this. You know, in

939
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,599
the dark years in the seventies, eighties and nineties, when

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all the men who'd actually been there were dying of

941
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old age, and there were a few people like yourself,

942
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Mark Webber, a couple of others who kept the light alive.

943
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Around twenty thirteen or so, it was the twenty twelve

944
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election where you know, you had like literally movie star

945
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,360
a handsome like graying Temples, Mitt Romney, right, like you know,

946
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,840
because like the Central casting and Republican No.

947
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had great heir. Yeah you know, like you know,

948
00:58:58,719 --> 00:58:59,440
just got a white dad.

949
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Speaker 3: Well yeah right, but but you know, Conservatism like they

950
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:11,239
saw that like it had failed, like like we lost

951
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,400
to Obama again. You know, like this guy, obvious lightweight,

952
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:17,239
probably a homosexual.

953
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,159
Speaker 2: Like well he's just an empty suit.

954
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, just an empty suit. And you know the O

955
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,440
eight crisis he'd done nothing about, you know, done nothing

956
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:25,280
with that, and he just he was a tool of

957
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:25,760
the banks.

958
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Speaker 4: And it was just also like this random guy, like

959
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,400
it didn't his candas, he didn't make any sense. It's

960
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,280
like if you're gonna like if you're gonna take I'm

961
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,639
dating myself with this reference. But people remember J C.

962
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Speaker 2: Watts.

963
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,079
Speaker 4: He was this He was a Canadian Football League jock,

964
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and he was kind of the Republican's token like black guy.

965
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He was just kind of like slick black dude, always

966
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:48,800
like wore really nice suits and yeah, he came up

967
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,840
as kind of carny, you know, like, oh I'm j C. Watts.

968
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,800
I'm like I'm like I'm like hands on them in

969
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,199
like Hollywood terms like polite black man. It's like, okay,

970
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,599
if you're gonna draft a guy like that and like

971
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make him and like install him as president, like okay,

972
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,239
get it. Or if you're gonna draft some like Spanish

973
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,760
guy is like you know, this is like mister immigrant,

974
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,880
like Spanish guy who like bootstrapped himself into success and

975
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,760
like basically make his candidacy like a reality TV show

976
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:16,960
how or fake that was, It's like, okay, get that.

977
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,039
It's like Obama. It's like, here's this random guy who's

978
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:25,840
like from Hawaii. You know, we're gonna pretend he's from

979
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,519
Chicago and then we're gonna pretend he's black.

980
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: Like the whole thing was like.

981
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:35,639
Speaker 3: Very straight and pretend he's but it made.

982
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:36,199
Speaker 2: But it's like why.

983
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,559
Speaker 4: It's like why are you gonna pretend he's black? Like

984
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:42,519
why if you're gonna like push yeah, it's like either

985
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:46,679
draft an actual black guy or make the narrative he's

986
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:49,599
just like citizen of the world colored person. Like why

987
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,559
it made no fucking sense. And that's also why the

988
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,960
guy's like totally forgotten now because they had no context,

989
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:58,039
you know, Like it's yeah.

990
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 3: He has he has he connection. That's why we ended up.

991
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,719
But anyway, now the thing that thing to think about,

992
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,719
right is and this is where I came in. I

993
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,679
came in and came into the movement about twenty years

994
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:14,280
ago and after the failure of the Ron Paul Revolution,

995
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:22,360
and you know, you really only are given these three alternatives, right,

996
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,880
how do you deal with this mass society where millions

997
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,480
of people are you know, turning wrenches in a car factory,

998
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,480
or millions of people are you know, driving to them

999
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,960
from work every day. Millions of people are you know,

1000
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,119
logging into computers. Millions of people are doing all these things.

1001
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:45,000
And you know, the coherent alternatives are like capitalism as

1002
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:47,800
we know it, which is which has failed people my

1003
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,519
age and younger, like spectacularly. They can't afford houses, they

1004
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:55,480
can't get married, they can't save, they can't they can't

1005
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:58,519
afford to living anywhere safe. They have to live in vans,

1006
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:00,719
like you know, that was a joke when we were

1007
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,039
a kid, you know, Chris Frowley And then yeah right, yeah,

1008
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:07,280
well now that's like that's like aspirational, like oh, you

1009
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,920
live in a really nice band down by the river.

1010
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:10,639
You know, Like wait a second, Like when I was

1011
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:13,440
a kid, this was like not a good thing, and

1012
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:17,480
now like it's all that you know, younger like older

1013
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:19,559
you can't afford.

1014
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 4: And so it's going on for a minute. I mean

1015
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,239
absolutely right when I was when I was homeless, I

1016
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,199
mean like much of that was like my own fault.

1017
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:32,639
I'm not not saying that like conditions like mac or

1018
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:35,639
economic conditions made me homeless. But I'd meet like other

1019
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,239
homeless people, and a lot of them were, Yeah, they

1020
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,920
were like young guys and girls where they couldn't they

1021
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,400
literally couldn't afford rent or whatever, or like I'm serving

1022
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:48,599
out a mortgage, and they had like fucked up parents

1023
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:51,880
who basically threw them out. They were like or were

1024
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,199
like shitheads who like wouldn't let them stay with them

1025
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:56,119
while they got on their feet, And it was like

1026
01:02:56,199 --> 01:03:01,159
eye opening. I'm like, wow, that's terrible. But right, I'm

1027
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:04,400
gonna I'm gonna raise up and I'm gonna I don't

1028
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,960
want to be abrupt, but I figure I've been going

1029
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,480
for an hour and I'm still kind of not feeling great.

1030
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,400
We can take this up again sometime and in the

1031
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,280
next few days or like in a week, if you

1032
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,960
guys want to make this an ongoing thing I think.

1033
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: I think it's been really great, but I just and

1034
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,239
I'm happy to hear to listen to you talk anytime,

1035
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,719
but I think it's important for the listener to realize, like,

1036
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,000
you know, there's a reason like hardcore Bolsheviks after the

1037
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,559
two thousand and eight crisis, like did the occupied Wall

1038
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:35,760
Street thing and then it failed because they were obsessioned

1039
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:40,360
with like DEI stuff. And why the resurgence of influence,

1040
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:46,679
our interest in in you know, fascist alternatives. Why why

1041
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,679
there's a bunch of guys who are thirty years old

1042
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:51,920
and who Stan Hitler is because you've seen the same

1043
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:54,920
kind of conditions that you know created the revolution in

1044
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,360
the first place in Wymar, Like you know, there's hyperinflation

1045
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,039
and training and like Jews are in charge, and.

1046
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,119
Speaker 4: No, I think young people are awesome, like not just

1047
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:08,440
because I mean young people are the future. I mean

1048
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,079
that's who we should be focused on anyway. But young

1049
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,920
guys and girls generally their ship together. That's why I like,

1050
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:17,159
I don't like when people trash zoomers because I mean,

1051
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,079
that's that's stupid anyway and like a shitty way to be.

1052
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,360
But zoomers have a lot of they got a lot

1053
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,800
of uh dynamic energy and and even like a lot

1054
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,519
of the zoomers on the left, Like I was talking

1055
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:34,440
to some of these kids that I ran across at

1056
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,960
the at the DNC protests and like other places, and

1057
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:41,559
like a lot of them, uh, they're kind of naive

1058
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:46,880
and in terms of their uh utopian concepts, but a

1059
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,840
lot of them are are kind of they read you

1060
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,039
guys like a manual Vollerstein, and they read uh like

1061
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:54,800
they read serious left wing stuff and they realize that

1062
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,719
they realize that uh, like pro regime like perverts like

1063
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,239
our our pieces of ship and like they're their anime.

1064
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to give them, Yeah, I'm.

1065
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,159
Speaker 4: Not saying it's great if kids read Marks and Lenin

1066
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:11,280
and but I they're at least that's serious stuff. It's

1067
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,039
not it's not it's not like regime pornography and and

1068
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:17,639
like bougie fucking garbage.

1069
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 3: That's true. And I was talking with a friend today,

1070
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:23,920
like the most depressed people in the world right now

1071
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,599
and for probably the last fifty years at least, have

1072
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:36,440
been like indigenous Christians in Israel, in West Bank and Gaza, Palestine.

1073
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

1074
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: Like to give those guys on the left at least credit.

1075
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,679
They're they're at least serious about like these people are

1076
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:47,719
oppressed and they're being murdered by the thousands by this regime.

1077
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,239
They might call a fascists. I might call it you.

1078
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,960
And there's some truth that because Jabatanski was a fascist,

1079
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:54,119
right Lil coup found of the Little Coop Party, Like

1080
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,840
it's basically just stole, stole Mussolini's notes and so we know.

1081
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 4: Udism is like it's like a histiche of, of of

1082
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,719
of all kinds of things that don't really make sense

1083
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,760
and in the context is implemented. But yeah, it's no,

1084
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,960
there's uh, these are these are amazing times and and

1085
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:19,360
things are incredibly I'm incredibly optimistic. And anybody who's not

1086
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,239
doesn't anybody's not say they're like, uh, addicted to their

1087
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,079
own addicted to like the stink of their own failure

1088
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:30,360
and misery, or they're just like not engaged with you know,

1089
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:31,840
what's what's happening around them.

1090
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: But no, I think, yeah, I'll help us, I'll help

1091
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,800
us close out here. I think I'll I think just

1092
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,880
a lot of people too are their whole stick is

1093
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,880
nothing's going to ever get better, and that's and they're

1094
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,519
just selling it and the other monetizing that. So all right,

1095
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,440
let me let you guys, Let me let you guys

1096
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,960
get out of here. Uh Thomas two plugs and then

1097
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,239
d you can uh promote whatever you want.

1098
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:00,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1099
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,599
Speaker 4: The best place to find me is on my substick.

1100
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,079
That's where all kinds of good stuff happens. It's a

1101
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:12,880
real Thomas seven seven seven dot substack dot com. That's

1102
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:16,239
I mean, that's the place to go. You can find

1103
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,320
everything I do there, just hyperlinks and stuff to what

1104
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:25,159
else they do. My social media is alt is at

1105
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,199
Capital R E A L underscore number seven h O

1106
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,639
M A S seven seven seven And yeah, well we

1107
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,119
well we convene whatever you guys want and just give

1108
01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:37,840
me a couple of weeks.

1109
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: Notice cool d yeah something, thank you for uh yeah,

1110
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,280
thanks for having me. Pete. I just have you know

1111
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:49,079
the fundamental principle on substack Fundamental Principles dot substack dot com.

1112
01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:54,119
And uh, you know dumb Road of FP podcast at

1113
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:57,079
dun road dot com. So people are interested in my

1114
01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:59,199
religious project, that's what there you can find me. And

1115
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:01,760
then of course you know, I'm privileged to be here

1116
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,880
once a month with Pete with the thought crime syndicate.

1117
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,039
So please give that a listen and I'll do my

1118
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:08,840
standard design off of like you know, go to Freeman

1119
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,599
them pulling on the wall slash support kick Pete a

1120
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:13,880
few bucks. It's you know, he does so much work

1121
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,760
behind the scenes, folks, like he helps so many people,

1122
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:18,760
you know, not just me, not just Thomas, but but

1123
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,520
dozens of people all the time. And so please support

1124
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,359
the people. They don't lie to you. You know, all

1125
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:27,640
of us work pretty hard at this. And you know

1126
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,279
a couple of bucks if you can spare, it helps

1127
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,680
a lot. So thank you. All right, thanks a lot, guys,

1128
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:33,279
have a good night.