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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate, Body and Soul or

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should I just say Bunny?

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Speaker 2: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Filthy movie Lovers, Something Weirdos and Anti Criterion Bros To

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the forty fourth episode of The Sin Syndicate, where a

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shanty town makes for a bad honeymoon and the Lord

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both giveth and taketh away. My name is Gentry Austen,

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writer and researcher, and I'm here with my co host,

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adult film historian Casey Scott, And in this week's episode,

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we are heading south for a mixed up tale involving

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jewel robbery, bootlegging, and murder by pitchfork. We're gonna be

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looking at a film that has gone by many names,

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gone through several hands, and had a multitude of he releases.

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So depending on your point of entry, either Something Weird

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or Trauma Video, you may know it as Honey Britches

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or Demented Death Farm Massacre.

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Speaker 4: Introducing Harlan Craven, the most debonair romantic leading man to

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hit the silver screen in decades. He's dashing, he's dreaming,

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he's delightfully dramatic.

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Speaker 2: But he's demented and he's the star of.

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Speaker 5: Demented Death Farm Massacre the movie.

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Speaker 4: Harlan loved his young, delectable wife, and so did all

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the neighbors. One day they were all consumed by the

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Demented Death Far Massacre.

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Speaker 5: Demented Death Farm Massacre is a film so full of action,

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you stupid bitch, blood curdling.

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Speaker 2: Good God, she's dead, so ultra.

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Speaker 6: Violin ah ah ah.

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Speaker 5: That only a master of horror and suspense like John

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Gardine could do it.

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Speaker 2: Justice.

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Speaker 7: I am the Judge of Hell.

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Speaker 5: So race to see Demented Death Farm Massacre.

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Speaker 3: So joining us this week to discuss this. Don Davis

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directed Southern Fried Hick Flick is friend of the pod

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our favorite third Wheel mister Alex DeSanto, who has been

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doing some deep research into this regional oddity. Specifically, it's

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mysterious hard to miss Amazonian star the Dsanto described Titanic

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testament to womanhood's totality, Miss Pepper Thurston. But before we

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hit the jug, let's take a look at some news

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and updates from the world of sexploitation. Let's start with

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Ultimate Degenerate Thousand Pleasures again. Anything else to promote here?

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Casey asks, I'm not sure I think they're hitting hitting

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people's mailboxes right about now. I haven't heard any feedback

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really beside about our piece, mister DeSanto, other than you know,

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just ten minutes ago, Nathan Schiff just said great peace.

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He didn't see anything else. He's just like great piece

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Speaker 2: John Charles like, good to know. Okay, Yeah, I mean

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everyone's getting their copies and I don't know when we're

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getting ours sounds for that. Yeah, I don't know when

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that's happening. Yeah, I was in a mood this morning

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about that. But it's not you know, it's not. And

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I will say this, this is not a specific thing

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for one company or one person. I feel like this

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is an industry wide thing, and I feel like this

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late stage in the game, every boutique label should have

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an established system for contributor copies to contributors to their releases,

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and maybe on popular opinion, when your inventory shows up,

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that first box, the first stuff that gets put in

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the mail goes to the people whose names are on

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that release. That is that they should. Everyone should be

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getting releases before any of your customers receive those. It's

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very disheartening to see people talk about your work and

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you are not able to take it in yourself or

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see how it was presented in the finished product. And

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this is not specific to just one company. I've said

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that this is not just about this. Really, we've had

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to beg for other releases from other companies. I will

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actually I will name and name the one person we've

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never had to beg for anything. Teern In over work

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at AGFA was always his proactive and didn't just send

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us one copy of stuff. He sends us multiple copies

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of stuff. So teering In promote it and give it

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away exactly. Just thank you so much teering In for that.

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Nobody should be put in a position of having to

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beg for these things. But also, I will say, no

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one should feel like they're going to quote unquote lose

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gigs by being too persistent or saying anything about this publicly,

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that they're not receiving copies of stuff they contributed to.

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I feel like I can say it because just like

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the fact that these are supplements, this is supplemental income

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from me, or in some cases not income because in

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some situations I don't charge money. So if gigs dry

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up because I'm saying this doesn't matter, that's fine. I

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bet I know I'm not the only person who feels

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this way. I've talked to literally every person that I

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know who does supplements to have this problem with multiple

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different companies across the board. So I would love everyone

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to get this fixed and situated. Please, it's not it's

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not that it should not be that difficult to do.

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The first box that come in comes in. That's for

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your contributors, and it should just be more clear that

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you're even gonna get one. I know Chris who contributed

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to the Keno release. You know, he went out and

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just bought it himself because he didn't know that they

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were going to send him or not, which is crazy. No,

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that's yeah, happening should never be happening. Yeah, So it's

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just it's a thing, and I know that there are

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extending circumstances in certain situations, and I can be as

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understanding of that as possible. I'm not even upset about

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it for me, to be honest, because to be to

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be frank, I am years behind in contributor copies. Like

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there's stuff that I haven't a busted that I worked

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on years ago that I still haven't gotten copies for.

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And I take the blame for that because I know

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that I should be asking for those things. But I'm

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more upset about it because when we invite people to

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come beyond these releases and then they are now chasing me.

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So I'm getting like messages to multiple people asking can

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you follow up? Can you follow up? It's not a

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good look for me or the person that is supposed

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to be in charge of this. So it's not good. Again,

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this is not one company. I'm making this very very clear,

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abundantly clear. This is not one company or one person

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I'm talking about. This is an industry wide thing. So

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I don't know what's going on. I know there's a

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lot of moving parts at all these different boutique labels.

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One of those moving parts should have this like locked

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down and very clear. At this point, it's twenty twenty six,

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and boutique labels have been a thing since the late nineties,

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like guys, since the DVD era. This is not hard.

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Speaker 3: What was that release that Sam Degan posted about a

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while back where she's like, I finally got my contributor

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copies and they said, I.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't going to bring that up, but yeah that yeah,

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one of the usual suspects, But yeah, that took months

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for her to get and that's literally insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Sam is a very insane diplomatic about this.

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feel like publicly she is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not as careful just because, like I said,

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I do this on the payroll. Yeah, not on the payroll.

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I do this for fun. I do it to help

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to help document the history and make these releases better,

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because that's that's what I want to do. I want

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it to be something that I would want on my shelf.

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kind of like subtle read or any vague you know,

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there's no vagary about this. This is everybody. This is

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every company. Every company has this problem. So can we

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get this under control? Please? This is something I would

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probably be saying if we were on like Ryan's Disconnected

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show that goes out and has heard by many more people. Yeah,

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I just I feel bad because there's it affects multiple people.

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For me could care less. I'm fine, I'll eventually get it.

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I'm not worried about it. But like for people that

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are putting so much work into these into these these contributions,

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these releases, and then it's one thing to see people

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talk about your contributions. It's another thing to have it

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in your hand and you can see it and it's

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tangible and it's very different. So yeah, there's definitely since

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a pride that comes with it. Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't think it shouldruffle feathers of anybody to a

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boutique label. They know it's a problem and they need

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to fix it. I just don't think anyone's saying anything

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like this publicly to convince them to fix it exactly,

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because yeah, I think that's the thing. Yeah, people are

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scared that I want to They don't want the work

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to drive I'm like, listen, if your work speaks for itself,

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you shouldn't be afraid of the work drying up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and hey, we're not perfect either, because you know,

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we have done a bad job of promoting no event

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tonights that Jeffrey is putting on sponsoring I should say

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out at the wind.

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Speaker 2: Gap, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: So we'll have to hear back from him, you know,

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tomorrow and see how it went. He's doing Desire under

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the Palms and Confessions of a Young American Housewife, So

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two very different syn nos, different eras, very different locations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, different levels of talent in front of the screen too, yes,

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But American Housewife it has Chris Jordan and Marri Mendem

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and Jennifer Wells and among others. So that's absolutely worth

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going to the theater, coming to the theater for Alex.

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Do you have anything to say about that pairing.

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Speaker 8: About the pairing? No, All I have to say is

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if exploitation is playing your area, go support it. Just

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go support it, folks, so we can get more of this,

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we get more of this happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, And Jeffrey's doing giveaways too. He

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has like posters and stills, very rare things that he's

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giving away to like the first handful of people that

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come and find him. So I think that's very cool.

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Speaker 8: I think that's a front, folks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be after watching.

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maybe not the other one, but right, Yeah, I think

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it's Tim Lucas. Yeah, it said it's.

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Speaker 7: One of us.

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Speaker 3: I agree, one of Sarno's hottest movies.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you can't miss that one.

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Speaker 2: I think Jim Holliday said it was his choice for

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the hottest softcore film of the seventies. I still say

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it's all American Girl, but this is it's up there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Greek exploitation. Tell us about these casey, I.

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Speaker 2: Had to rape just a little bit about this. I

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won't go off that long because I know we have

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a lot to talk about on the show. I will

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just say, do not sleep on Greek's exploitation. These are

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two sordid, sweaty, sleazy Greek exploitation movies from the Styes

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that are very very New York s exploitation coded. They

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are very like they're they're very noir inspired. There's like,

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you know, uh, a collection of criminals. There's like a

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really great fem fatale star. Lesson the Swamps is kind

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of like if you were shooting a New York Noir

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s exploitation movie and set it in the Florida Swamps.

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It's like a perfect mix of those two types of films.

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So I highly recommend that release. It's a Lesson the

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Swamps and Secrets of Sinful Athens, and I think it's

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limited to like a thousand copies or something, so yeah,

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so I think it's a thousand. So I would definitely

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recommend getting up before it sells out because I could

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not stop raving about that experience. Yeah you're not You're

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not alone either. I've seen some good notices for that one.

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I think to Code and Chris like those two. Yeah, yeah,

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what is this all?

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Speaker 3: Alternative cinema? They are a Something Weird video partner. I

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always forget to, like check their website to see what

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the hell they're up to, because they're not the greatest

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about promoting themselves. But they've been doing these Racy Reels

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series of films, and they're doing a Barbara Mills double feature,

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matten Ae Wives and the Executive's Wives, which are I

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can't remember if I've seen mattin a Wives.

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Speaker 2: You haven't, I've told you you Oh yeah, because it's

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Barbara Mills. Yeah, what's going on here? These are DVD only.

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this release because Lisa posted about it. Because Lisa is

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three of these so far. This is Racy Reels volume four.

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for example, Cries of Ecstasy, Blows of Death. They added

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new stuff to that, so I'd hold on to my

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DVDR in addition to the Blu Ray, so I'm hoping

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they don't mess with these please. Mattne Wives is terrific.

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It's great. It's only exists from one print, and Executives

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and I'm you know, Matt New Wives alone is worth

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Speaker 3: So another interesting release is Lamage by Radians. Yeah, and

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notes here, Casey, which is, yeah, where's Jeremy Ritchie on

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possibility of this Blu Ray happening on our episode with him.

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is the one I'm looking forward to the most to

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get a release. So yeah, when I saw that come

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out without him on it, I was honestly, just a

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little bit disappointed for him.

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book on the star of a film and you're left

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out of a project like that, that's like, arguably, I

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think it's probably her best performance. So there's a lot

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to talk about with that movie. I was very very Yeah,

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I was very disappointed. Obviously. I love that Sam is

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involved Sam Degan because Sam is Sam. Sam has a

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good track record on stuff, But I don't know why

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it's not one or the other. We could have gotten

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both and it would have been even better release because

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then we would have had history and discussion from different

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angles on that. So I don't know what the deal

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is with the Radiance. I actually don't have to even

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own a Radiance release yet, you know this, I need

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to pull the trigger on some of their stuff, but

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I'm just like, I don't know what they're thinking of

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not including the man who wrote the book on Sylvia Cristeal.

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Speaker 3: Massage, Parlor Wife updates our last episode.

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Speaker 2: With Mark Murray.

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Speaker 3: I was like, back at our notes and there's still

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a lot of stuff we didn't even cover. But that

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is tends to be the case sometimes when we have

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guests that are enthusiastic and ourselves that have just so

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much to talk about with them. So but that's kind

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of my way of saying, hey, go check out our

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show notes on the patreon, which has all the stuff

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we didn't get into involving cast and crew. And I

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Speaker 2: With Barry on our Patreon. He read it.

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Speaker 3: I sent it to him and he said, thanks, very generous,

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kind and true. So yeah, he appreciated a little shout out.

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you know, we're working on a podcast. You know, I

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might write something, and he kind of sent me a

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whole bunch of information about stuff he's been working on,

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and who knows, you know, maybe I will write something

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larger or longer. But this was just a nice little

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cup paragraphs in a nice little Q and A about

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this movie, which clearly he's not super enthusiastic to talk about,

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but he provided some really good information, So I thought

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that that was worth putting it up on our patreon.

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Speaker 9: If you want to know the truth, see Shatty Town Honeymoon,

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see the strange and seamy side of mountain life, where

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they love by the rule of a shotgun.

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Speaker 7: Harlan's out still come on.

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Speaker 9: We are all after the shatty town honeymoon, torn from

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the land of child ride and steam heat, shanties, wild women,

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white lightning and art mountain men, a shanty town honeymoon movie.

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They're kind of kinship means anything goes, and the kind

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of love that doesn't wait. On Ceramon, anybody is good

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looking at you, he just gotta be hitting for action.

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Me to read a suit. A young girl sold into

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wedding slavery to pay her father's debts.

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Speaker 7: No dabt, please don't may be merry up with that

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smelly old man.

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Speaker 9: Shantytown honeymoon It still happens today.

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Speaker 10: If you're old enough to be married, you must see

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probably to be married see honeymoon in color admission.

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Speaker 3: So I think we did a good job getting through

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that in less than an hour, impress.

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Speaker 2: Let's we don't need we don't need the we don't

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need the crack of the whip from Sir de Santo.

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We have we have a lot to learn from him.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you guys cannot see him because he is in

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overalls and plaid right now. So, yes, he's very, he's

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very Maybe it wouldn't be the crack of the whip,

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it would be the the switch.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a switch on you?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Sure, get me a switch.

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Speaker 8: Oh I just got to go to a tree and

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cut one down. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Or for this movie, maybe just a good old fashioned

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moonshine jug to the to the forehead.

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Speaker 8: It's for Yeah, I got right here, like damn, oh

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there it is. Yeah, okay, well watch out that look

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that looks sharp.

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Speaker 2: That's a little bit you guys can't see it. It's

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a little red.

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Speaker 3: It's a little devilish looking. I don't know if that's

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or maybe it's just lighting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's read from blood. It's red from Blood victims. Yeah,

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that's that's not a Milligan pitch for no.

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to start, because I actually really like this synopsis. Whoever,

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it kind of has a ring.

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Speaker 2: Of uh, Mike brainy here. I'm not sure who wrote this.

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for somebody I don't know. Yes, you have the Trauma synopsis,

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and I trashed that because yeah, that's garbage. Yeah, we

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don't need to amplify trauma. They've had a rough week

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with their little AI advertisement on Instagram that got a

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certain distributor in trouble. So yeah, well yes they did,

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: God, I'm really of shadiness today, I guess all right,

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So let me read this Nap and Pepper the spirit

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of Pepper in me.

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Speaker 3: Harlot woman, Oh evil, you shall be punished for your

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horn ways, screams big old Harlan to the sexy black

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hooker he's selling his moonshine to in the opening few

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minutes of Honey Bridges, one of our favorite redneck movies

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from one of our favorite drive in hucksters, ex Spook

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Show magician Don Davison shot in Alpharetta, Georgia. Honey Britches

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was Don's follow up to his earlier Moonshiner's Woman from

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nineteen sixty eight, and though Honey Briches has a bigger

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budget and sports a much slicker technical polish, none of

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that gets in the way of the hillbilly bliss achieved

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by watching some of the dumbest characters on the face

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of the Earth run around killing each other.

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Speaker 2: After spouting biblical.

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Speaker 3: Dribble to the above mentioned hoe, Harlan returns to his

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wretched little clapboard cabin to find that Reba Sioux has

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just bought Brye of only four days, has HouseGuests, aggressive

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stud Kirk and his gal pal Karen, and British fop

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Philip and girlfriend Suzanne, a big breasted giant test that

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steals every scene she's in. Claiming to have suffered car trouble,

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the quartet are actually jewel thieves hauling a suitcase of

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stolen gems from New York to Florida, who hoped to

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elude the police by hiding out with some stupid hillbillies.

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Alex Santo, this was kind of your This is your Baby.

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Tell us about your history with this film.

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Speaker 8: I first saw this via the Troma version. This was

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the first exploitation film I'd ever seen. Actually, I think

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I saw one was like twelve or something like that. Yeah. Yeah,

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this was one of those films that Brett would put

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out on one of those Toxie sets, Toxi's Triple Tear

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and then and then another their set, which had haunted

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me since I was even younger than that, seeing them

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at my local video store, so got ahold of those

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saw this though kind of knew what I was in

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for because I always google everything, being a child of

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the Internet, and so I put this on and I'm

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just going, no, what the fuck is this now?

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Speaker 11: What is this?

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Speaker 8: What the hell is this weird hybrid ass thing with

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John Carradine and blah blah blah blah blah. And even then,

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I think I was looking for the Honey the Honey

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Bridges version, because I was like, there's something about this

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stupid little movie. It's so full of personality, it's so quaint,

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it's so tame for how it was marketed and everything

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like that. Though a lot of Do Dave's movies are

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kind of like that as a whole. They're oddly tamed,

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every single one of them.

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Speaker 3: Like in the sexual department, even in violence, given the violences.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there's there's not a lot of any. Yeah,

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there's not. There's not a lot of either. There's there's

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just enough and I can't really well of course, Pepper Thurston.

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of them. Karen is just okay, she's there, she's being

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dumb uh and I can't really explain why this grabbed

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me other than why does this why is this regional

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oddity a thing? Why does this exist? Why was this

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released under titles like hill Billy Hooker and Little Whorehouse

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on the Prairie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we kind of know why.

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Speaker 3: I will probably get into the marketing later, but yeah,

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yeah we will.

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Speaker 2: Could you sell right away?

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Speaker 3: Like, did you understand that the kerotine were inserts those scenes?

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, because I've already looked it up. And I

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could just also tell by like the hairstyles, like just

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by the main film that this was not a film

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from the mid to late eighties that like it just

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couldn't have been. Yeah, And also it was just so

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odd they cobbled together, like the music that was inserted

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at the credits, yeah yeah, yeah, and when they're walking

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the woods and things like that, Like it was just

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obvious that something was wrong with this film, that there

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was obviously both hands in it, and I mean, knowing

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fred Olen Ray's output, this obviously wasn't made by fred

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Olin Ray, I mean the original film, Like you could

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you can just tell why would fred Olin Ray make

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something this tame so on and so forth?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what about you, Casey. I saw I think

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the first time I saw it was something weird. I

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didn't see Dementa Death, Barm Massacre. I'd heard of it,

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and I had the TOXI. I had the same release

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that Alex did because I had I think I bought

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all of those. I hadn't watched it because I because

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I read Michael Weldon's review, but they said it was terrible,

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that earlier film. So when I saw that it was

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in something were catalog under a different title, I grabbed

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that first and watched that first, and I was like, oh,

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this is really good. And then I watched the Trauma version.

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I was like, the only thing about the Trauma version

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is that it looks cleaner and crisper, because even if

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it's a video transfer, obviously they had a really nice

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element to be able to create that new version. Would

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Speaker 8: I can explained all that.

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Speaker 2: Now is this thirty then I don't know where it is?

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Speaker 8: So yeah, oh no, they did it disintegrated under their care.

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Shame you can't. That's that's completely unusable.

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Speaker 12: Now we just have this.

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Speaker 2: Print from a drive in in Columbus, Ohio. I think

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ye yes from the east Side Rainbow Drive in of Columbus,

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Ohio for the liner notes on the release.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so Death Farm is the best we'll ever see

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it in terms of its original color.

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Speaker 2: I kind of want to. I kind of want to,

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either me or if someone else has the time to

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do it, do like an edit, YEA, create a hybrid,

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create a hybrid of stuff if possible, because I think

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there's a new soundtrack in that version, is there not?

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Davison footage.

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Speaker 8: In some parts, it's not used over anything that has dialogue, right,

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It's not used over like any dialogue scenes or anything

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like that. It's only like one or two spots.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so a fan edit could be done. Yeah, I

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would love that. I mean yeah, because I don't know.

470
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I definitely go on this movie. Yeah, I know that's

471
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your next project after the Seeds Restoration, the Honey Bridges restoration,

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what we have existing.

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Speaker 8: Would absolutely love that.

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Speaker 2: I do love it though I think it's it is

475
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and I mean from a very sorry collection of films,

476
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it is Davison's best movie, you know, it's not saying much,

477
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but I do love it because it is so it

478
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is so southern, it is so drive in, it is

479
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so it makes total sense that it really didn't. I

480
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,720
don't think it really left a lot of a lot

481
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:10,880
of southern regional distribution if it did not well documented.

482
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,799
I know Moonshiner's Woman did, But I didn't.

483
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 8: Really find this plane anywhere north of the country. Let's

484
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,519
just say that. Yeah, there's like a certain dividing line

485
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:25,119
between north and south where this played and where this didn't.

486
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,160
You were not about to see this on forty second.

487
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: Street, no, And then also you weren't going to see

488
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,880
it out west in like California, either Seattle or anything

489
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,440
like that. So yeah, that's kind of like Moonshiner's Woman.

490
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:38,480
The furthest west that I saw at get was New Mexico,

491
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and that was shocking to me too. I was like,

492
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,359
how is this showing in New Mexico like as late

493
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,839
into the early seventies Moonshiner's Woman. I was just like,

494
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,799
this is really crazy. They must have been really hard

495
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,599
up and they just had a print flying around those

496
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:53,000
are those black and white piece of shit?

497
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Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, as we'll find out Davison was

498
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,720
not against playing these things to absolute death.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's probably why there aren't that many

500
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,279
prints remaining of a lot of this stuff, and in

501
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,680
some cases not at all, because it's just kind of

502
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:07,720
running into the ground. Literally.

503
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the South was sort of Don's bread

504
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:13,640
and butter, wasn't it, So it makes.

505
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Speaker 8: Sense dominated the South. I mean, he made enough money

506
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,039
in the South anyway, like as it is, like he

507
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,759
had the sticks sown up.

508
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Speaker 13: Police saying they have no clue to the whereabouts of

509
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,880
the jewel thieves. The report that a jeep was stolen

510
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,359
from in front of the Star truck stuff two men

511
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,000
and two women yesterday has been confirmed. However, the jeep

512
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has not been located.

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Speaker 14: Fingerprints found on the crashed airplane have been sent to

514
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Washington for identification. On the local scene, Billy Joe Whitaker

515
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,559
says she plans to try out for the blue ribbon

516
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,880
in the cake bake off at the fair. Miss Hyar,

517
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you know, Billy Joe.

518
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Speaker 3: So yeah, give us a little background on Don Davison

519
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:49,960
for those who aren't aware.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So Don Davison, Yeah, Gary folks so bored in

521
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born nineteen four four in Dayton, Kentucky. We found out

522
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:08,079
because reports were conflicting about that. He told different newspapers.

523
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,599
I was born in Boston. I was born in Cincinnati,

524
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:12,920
so far and so forth.

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Speaker 2: Northern cities too, by the way, I think it's interesting

526
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:17,519
He's like, oh, yeah, I'm from I'm from these northern

527
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,680
metropolitan city It's like, well, no.

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Speaker 8: He's just such a cultured man.

529
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:26,759
Speaker 2: Sure you can hear it in his voice every time

530
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:27,519
he talks, right.

531
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:34,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So he I've made Showmanship was in

532
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,519
his blood. I mean, as a young lad he started

533
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,119
he became an amateur magician, playing in like school ititoriums,

534
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,559
local kowana's clubs and things like that, like in his

535
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,519
early teens, and then around that time also was a ventriloquist.

536
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:59,000
Still not an adult, he became a yo yo champion,

537
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:06,240
doing demonstrations and judging local yo yo contests, and I

538
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,880
believe also, I don't know what it was, but he

539
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,200
supposedly also had his own little TV show. I have

540
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:17,240
no idea what happened on said TV show. Alas, though

541
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,920
always getting too big for his current pair of bridges,

542
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,960
in his late teens, he began working in spook shows.

543
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Now to those who don't know what a spook show is,

544
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,279
don't think this is at crossover and with our audience,

545
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:39,480
and that spook shows were a long running form of

546
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:44,039
pretty much spooky magic shows. They were bored out of

547
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,839
the spiritualism movement, and at first we're mostly just like

548
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,200
like elaborate seances where ghost would materialize and things like that.

549
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,839
But what they became to be and became most notorious for,

550
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:02,960
was they were normally done at midnight. They were traveling

551
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,039
magic shows, which pretty much consisted of thirty minutes to

552
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:10,759
an hour of spooky magic like as you can see

553
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:14,119
in Moonshiner's Woman. One of the things was burning someone

554
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,319
in a casket, open it, turvial, flaming skeleton, classic people

555
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,519
being sought in half. Into the sixties and late seventies

556
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,759
they got a big gorrier with the dismembering people and

557
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,200
so on and so forth. Then there'd be something called

558
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:36,039
a blackout where the magician would release the spooks into

559
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,759
the audience and all the lights would go out and

560
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,400
suddenly over your head and all around you, ghosts would

561
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:49,079
fly about, skeletons running up and down. Occasionally celebrities like

562
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:54,000
James Dean and Liz Taylor would mystically appear, which is

563
00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:00,400
just a giant cutout painted and luminous paint so far

564
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,559
like like like the ghosts were normally cheese luminus cheese cloth.

565
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,240
They paint, They paint the face of a skull in

566
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,559
luminous paint and they just like flip it around so

567
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:11,960
it looks like it's appearing disappearing over people's heads.

568
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,119
Speaker 3: It's kind of like William Castle stuff like he like

569
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,880
he was doing.

570
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, like William Castle on steroids pretty much. And

571
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,759
then and the showould ends and you would then see

572
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,960
two horror movies afterwards, so you got like three hours

573
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,400
of entertainment pretty much. And these were popular back then.

574
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,839
They were the precursor to like the hot houses that

575
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,359
we know today. They were touring all over the States

576
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,720
and into Canada even all sorts of different magicians were

577
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:47,759
doing it, and so yeah, naturally Davison he began touring

578
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,799
with one called Doctor Sin's House of the Living Dead,

579
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,319
which is a very obscure one. I've never seen paper

580
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,559
for that. But eventually he went out on his own.

581
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,440
Always keep been an eye on what the kiddies were into.

582
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,839
He did shows that always had some sort of pop

583
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,839
culture hook to them, like when the twist was big

584
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,119
in the mid sixties, he had Monster Go Go that

585
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,799
involved a twist contest gore. The Gore films were happy

586
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,039
at that time, so he did the Horror Chamber of

587
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Blood and Gore that that wasn't actually gory, according to

588
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:28,240
his According to him, it was just the title. The

589
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,119
monster craze was going on, famous monsters of film mate

590
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,319
and all that, So he did one called the Hollywood

591
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,319
Monster Show, and yeah, and he'd have all sorts of

592
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,839
wonderful odd things as as you can see in the

593
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,039
show notes. He did one where a man was apparently

594
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:48,000
bury alive in person and you could like look down

595
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,519
and see him down there, and he'd be buried down

596
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,599
there for like a weekend or so, and then they'd

597
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,759
dig him up and he'd be fine. Did then the

598
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,759
Tories saying one of the best, one of the fun

599
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,119
little hooks that they'd always do is win a free

600
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:03,880
dead body. That dead body was a chicken.

601
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:09,639
Speaker 3: Right, that wasn't There a story where Don Daevisi isn't

602
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,320
was telling in that documentary about how the woman she

603
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,559
just wanted to buy the chicken because she wanted dinner.

604
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 8: No, no, what happened was that. Okay, So of course

605
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,320
they always bought the cheapest chicken that they could get,

606
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:28,079
pretty much right. And so one of the theater owners

607
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,559
this this little lady and just for history, folks, this

608
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,000
was also back in the day when like movie theaters

609
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,639
actually had stages and stuff. We're very more mom and

610
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,039
poppy like, not you know, the cineplex types that we're

611
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:42,400
talking about. So this local little theater owner was like, here,

612
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,239
I got you, I got you this this ten dollars

613
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,360
or whatever turkey. And he's like, oh, oh, ma'am, you

614
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:54,760
didn't have to do that. We normally give a little

615
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,119
a little chicken. It's just a joke because he's mentally

616
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,000
calculating the dollars that he's having to spend on the

617
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:07,119
stand things like ship, I can't feed the cast and crew.

618
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,920
Now about to pay for this thing. And then she goes, oh, well,

619
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,840
I wanted to find folks this town to have something good.

620
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:20,079
Speaker 2: Uh, it's okay, I'll pay for my own pocket because.

621
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 8: Oh, thank god, we can eat for we can eat

622
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:34,239
for this weekend. Good god, she's dead, so on and

623
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,159
so forth. So yeah, he did that for a while,

624
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,159
worked with other icons like Pat Patterson, who's also doing

625
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,880
spook shows at this time, the man who made that

626
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:55,599
great little Spooks of Popping documentary, Jim Renewer. Yeah, Ridden Hour, Yes, yes,

627
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,239
so yeah, he toured all over the South with those shows,

628
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,199
all over in the Sticks. There's another hilarious one where

629
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,559
the studio which studio put out Cleopatra, I'm drying.

630
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Speaker 2: A blank twentieth century Fox.

631
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 8: Twentieth century Fox. So twentieth century Fox found out that

632
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:20,400
he was advertising that Liz Taylor as Cleopatra would materialize.

633
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,880
They just happened to be playing a movie somewhere in

634
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,280
the South the same time that he was doing his show,

635
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,559
So they got the tear sheets and suddenly, but beside

636
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,079
they're at him playing Cleipatra was going to appear. So

637
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,599
he gets a letter from their legal department's saying so

638
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,679
on so Forard, we're gonna see you blah blah blah blah,

639
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:45,360
and he sends a photo of his pickup or whatever

640
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,280
ancient ass vehicle that he owned and said this is

641
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,639
all I got, Come and get it if you want,

642
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:53,880
And they never did.

643
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: So what was the gag with that Liz Taylor materialization?

644
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,079
Speaker 15: Oh?

645
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 8: Just bought a twenty four sheet cut her out Dowse

646
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,159
the aluminous paint, and during the blackout, twenty four sheet

647
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,199
just kind of yeah, just kind of floated.

648
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 16: Around.

649
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,039
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, that was it.

650
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 11: That was it.

651
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,159
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if he I was like, wait, there's

652
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,239
no way he would hire a look alike. That would

653
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,840
be far too it's more money, you can.

654
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:24,039
Speaker 2: I don't know.

655
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 8: No, no, no he didn't. He didn't, But I don't know.

656
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:29,559
I guess it fooled people back in those days.

657
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think. I don't think it fooled anybody.

658
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,199
I don't know.

659
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,079
Speaker 8: I don't think I want to take some little lady

660
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,559
down in or whatever was losing her mind because Liz

661
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:44,039
Taylor was floating above her.

662
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,159
Speaker 2: No, I think it might have pulled children. And I

663
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,559
feel like that was the target.

664
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:55,039
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, we were the number ones.

665
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: Right.

666
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Speaker 3: So he's playing movies at these things. What kind of

667
00:37:59,440 --> 00:37:59,880
movies is he?

668
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: Plane?

669
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,119
Speaker 8: Oh normally the movies were like old universal films or

670
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,480
the fifties b stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

671
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 2: Just that just that he was also is he paying

672
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,960
to like screen these things?

673
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 9: Like you know?

674
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:18,199
Speaker 8: I mean I also okay, also these also depended on,

675
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,639
you know, the magician themselves and how above board they

676
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:26,639
were doing things. Playing movies at playing two movies afterwards

677
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,599
was standard. Everyone was doing it. So knowing him, he

678
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,599
might have just gotten in his head on some prints

679
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:36,800
and the depot. Yeah, just toured around with them because

680
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
they weren't advertised, like like they didn't advertise what movie

681
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,840
they were playing and stuff like no, that wasn't part

682
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,039
of that wasn't part of the show. They were just

683
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,320
advertising the show.

684
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: Right, so they could have even just been printed. The

685
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,480
theaters had there were just like you know, the old

686
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,159
old monogram hour long shit like I don't know, the

687
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,920
Living Ghost or you know, you know whatever, Well, Return

688
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,559
of the Vampire, the Columbia thing, like I two movies

689
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,199
they had to be an hour long each and then

690
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,039
on top of the entertainment, Yeah they're not. I don't

691
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,199
think they're going over an hour per movie in these things.

692
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah yeah. The only person whoever I had this

693
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,679
is very mysterious. The only person there was. There was

694
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,639
only one show that was illegally done based around a movie,

695
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,239
and it was the Texas Chainsaw Massacre show, which was

696
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,320
so obscure you can't find anything about it. But obviously

697
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880
they were doing that belowboard because you cannot find a

698
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,960
poster or anything for that. And that's the whole thing.

699
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,159
See the chainsaw Monster come through the audience, blah blah

700
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,320
blah blah blah, like like the only the only kind

701
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,880
of known characters they were ever advertising with the classics.

702
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,000
Frankenstein is, well, we're gonna have him, Dracula, so on

703
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:56,800
and so forth. Those folks. Occasionally they had the fly

704
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,599
they had the fly guy. But that's about the closest

705
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,360
they got to a true ip.

706
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 16: Maybe the Times, but ill fo everybody makes me stake.

707
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,039
Speaker 3: So what made him want to get into producing his

708
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:13,719
own films?

709
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,079
Speaker 8: Supposedly it was Ron Ormond, but I don't know where

710
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,199
that came from, Like I don't, I don't know where

711
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,119
that was where.

712
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,599
Speaker 3: That popped out, you can ask about that's.

713
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,199
Speaker 8: True, Jimmy McDonough. Jimmy McDonough, I mean the Amans were

714
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,960
roadshowing things down in the South around this time.

715
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

716
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,159
Speaker 8: It's a smaller world than one would think.

717
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,039
Speaker 2: There's money here, don Yeah, yes, exactly.

718
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 8: The Oldmans were also super notorious at this time for

719
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:46,920
really having over zealous exploitation campaigns and like the absolute

720
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,480
tamous movies were like you were lucky if you saw cleavage,

721
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,760
super lucky, like seconds yeah yeah, or like Girl from

722
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,599
Girl from from Tobacco, Row.

723
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,119
Speaker 2: Road right and stuff like like that.

724
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,599
Speaker 8: Like if you think about it, that is like the

725
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:10,159
precursor to Don Davison's model was was the of of

726
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,599
doing things. So in nineteen sixty eight he formed Lion

727
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,360
Dog Enterprises, named after the type of dog he bred

728
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:24,760
at the time, shitsus, which according to him, meant lion dog.

729
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:32,039
Speaker 2: Which I question, he's not breeding dogs. He said that

730
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,559
in an interview. He said in an interview that's where

731
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:35,800
he said he was from Cincinnati.

732
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:36,639
Speaker 8: Who knows.

733
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: I don't buy it.

734
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 16: I don't know.

735
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: In that interview on.

736
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,159
Speaker 3: This show documentary, there's like a lot of animal sounds

737
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:44,840
in the background.

738
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,039
Speaker 2: There's birds and stuff. So he definitely kept pets.

739
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:51,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, it sounds like he yeah that documentary, it sounds

740
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,800
like he's in an aviary's his house is gone.

741
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,559
Speaker 2: See, that's why it was. Barbara was still around. Barbara.

742
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,039
Barbara would know if they were breeding dogs because she

743
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,880
would probably the one having to take care of those things.

744
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:04,320
I don't see Don taking care of those dogs.

745
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,079
Speaker 8: That's what I was wondering, because I don't know if

746
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,719
Barbara ever was with him on these on these ventures

747
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:11,920
or things like that.

748
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the road all the time.

749
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, for so much reason. Box Office really listed

750
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,159
almost everyone who breathed into line dog offices, and Barbara

751
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,800
is never mentioned as being around or working alongside Don

752
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,800
or things like that. Tragically, I'm jumping ahead a bit,

753
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,159
but when Mike and Lisa became friends with him, they

754
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,039
never got to talk to Barbara because he just kind

755
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:36,159
of took all the oxygen.

756
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,199
Speaker 2: Well, he they were so done. They were not together

757
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,039
anymore by the time they met. They because he remarried.

758
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,599
He remarried, like I have found a divorce record for

759
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,559
him in nineteen eighty four to a completely different woman.

760
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,440
So she was she was done with him by like

761
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:53,480
the mid seventies. Yeah, she wasn't. She wasn't with him anymore.

762
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:55,639
Speaker 8: Poor woman is so exhausted, I know, which.

763
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: Is why it's weird. Her obituary says that she helped

764
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,559
her and produce movies. I'm just like, okay, but that

765
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,039
was a long time ago, Barbara, Yeah, you know then

766
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,639
I guess, yeah, right, So.

767
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:20,519
Speaker 8: His first film was the veritable sixteen millimeter travelogue Shiners

768
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:29,039
Woman Travelogue, which really is mostly just a trip to Florida, folks.

769
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,480
It doesn't really it doesn't have too much of a storyline.

770
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:37,840
It's just mostly no scenes spliced together for the most part.

771
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a They advertise it as like a

772
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,039
Southern picture, but I mean, I guess Florida is in

773
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,559
the south, but this is not. There's no cabin, there's

774
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:50,880
no like, is there even any moonshine?

775
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 8: There is a one? Actually, yeah, so so, folks. The

776
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,920
thin plot of this movie is that these two hoods

777
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,360
come and kill this redneck in the woods and they

778
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,280
take and they and they pretty much kidnap his young wife,

779
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:18,840
which she's not two phased about, as her narration tells us,

780
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,599
right yes, my narration. Also also, by the way, folks,

781
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,519
the head the headgoon is Don and so.

782
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie kind of not doing Don. Don

783
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,960
is not It's not somebody I would kick out of bed.

784
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,079
He's kind of giving Patrick Wright a little bit.

785
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 8: Mm hmmm, a little bit, I see that. So he

786
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,239
takes her and shows and gives her the finer things

787
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:55,519
in life, nice outfits, trips, to Florida Beach to watch

788
00:44:55,679 --> 00:45:02,119
racing a gal. Someone in the office.

789
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,559
Speaker 2: That gentry. Here we go again.

790
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: We know that.

791
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: We don't know.

792
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 8: She and also just interjected with the weirdest things there's.

793
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,039
There's racing, there is some in hindsight great footage of

794
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,519
a magic act showing where and two little spook show tricks.

795
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,559
The most titular it gets is her in her in

796
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:32,400
a bikini.

797
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: I think.

798
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 8: She meets this for some odd reason. There's randomly this

799
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,360
like junkie gal who makes her try lsd and that

800
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:47,159
trip is something to behold. I definitely want to take

801
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:48,119
acid after seeing that.

802
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: The most expensive the movie because it was lab effects,

803
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,199
a lot of fast motion and split.

804
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 8: That's well, that's just speeding up the camera, Like that's

805
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:00,880
done it and you can just do.

806
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,519
Speaker 2: That in camera. Maybe like that editing of like that

807
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,320
kaleidoscope effect. I'm like, okay, well, yeah, he spent a

808
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,039
little money. I guess it shows that Dawn did have

809
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,800
his ear to the ground. You know, it's nineteen sixty eight.

810
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,199
You gotta have some kind of little drug exploitation in there.

811
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, she was tapped into.

812
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 3: But then yeah, but then there's like this book show

813
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:23,880
magician act in there, so it's like, no one wants

814
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:24,280
to see that.

815
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,079
Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't even remember how that ends because it's

816
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,519
just such a conglomeration of sequences.

817
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: I literally you just watched it, so I just watched it.

818
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,000
It ends with her accidentally killing the other woman and

819
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,360
then walking down the street to very old music that

820
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,079
sounds like it belongs in like an old forties western.

821
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,280
It really is super duper cheap. Doesn't she end up

822
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,199
with the guy at the end.

823
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 8: I don't remember this movie, hass I never seen it

824
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,400
until kept appearing for this.

825
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,519
Speaker 2: I've had the DVDR for years, and I finally watched it.

826
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,320
I was like, oh my god, this.

827
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,639
Speaker 8: Is now of those movies, folks where it's singles strand

828
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,440
sixy milime or they dive an ab roll it. The

829
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,480
gunshot in the movie the like, like like the firing

830
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,880
effect is just them punching a hole into the film

831
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,039
itself to simulate gunfire.

832
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: I remember the radio spots for that more because it's

833
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:26,760
very repetitive. It's just that moon Shiner's a woman moonshiners. Yeah,

834
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,000
and it's just like wow, yes then, and it's great

835
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:33,760
and it really actually hypes up the movie and then

836
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,960
I've finally seen it decades after buying it. I'm just like, okay, wow,

837
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,960
really good hyperbole down Like I will always give him

838
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,280
that he knew how to sell shit.

839
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,159
Speaker 16: Now the screen explodes with all the fury of white

840
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:55,199
lightning and moon Shiner's woman from the Hills of Tennessee

841
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,920
to the Daytona two hundred. It's motor Aurora Shine Drink

842
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,880
and been found in action Moonshiner as a woman.

843
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 8: So he goes out onto So that's his first film.

844
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,400
He goes Onto the Road. Don't know how well it did,

845
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:11,360
but with how cheap it is, how could you lose?

846
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:16,199
With his level showmanship, it probably made some dollars And

847
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,800
afterwards he he then went on to see I don't

848
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,320
know when some of these movies came out. He I think,

849
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,800
as you kind of put in here, Casey, he's this

850
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,480
is when he seemingly started possibly taking other movies and

851
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:35,119
just illegally reissuing them. Right, there's a bunch of like

852
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:41,320
just mysterious titles like Wild Woman with a Whip, The Bootlegger, which.

853
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bootlegger. I feel like, yeah, I just put

854
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,639
in the notes. I feel like maybe it's him stealing

855
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,960
Moonshine Mountain possibly maybe yes, yeah, yeah maybe.

856
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 8: After Moonshine's a woman, he starts, you know, grabbing other

857
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,800
movies and just releasing them as line dog releases.

858
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 9: What is that?

859
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: A she freak? That's the incident where he I'm about

860
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,199
to get to that. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, technology is weird.

861
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,360
I don't know what was first, the Asylum or Obscenity. Yeah,

862
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,400
I don't know what's just first.

863
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going to go with Obscenity. First neighbor released

864
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,679
the same year. There's really the same year, right, that's

865
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,920
the problem. So let's just say his next official film.

866
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,960
His next feature is a film called Obscenity Obscenity aka

867
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,760
The Great Movie Trial, which is partially some sort of

868
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:36,639
courtroom type drama thing. We don't know because there is

869
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:40,159
only a trailer and most of it is Don slobbering

870
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:41,760
over a woman's breasts.

871
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: There's footage there is. There is more footage on Twisted

872
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,079
Sex one and fourteen. It's like it's a guy getting

873
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:51,719
drunk and going on like on the town. Yes exactly,

874
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,599
it's Don Don once again casting himself in the lead.

875
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,239
The city around. It's much more and it's obviously him

876
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,840
doing color for for the first time, and it's much

877
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,880
more adventurous in terms of its technical aspiration. So he's

878
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,159
trying to do something a little more polished, not that

879
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,760
much abolished, but it's.

880
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:15,519
Speaker 8: Definitely more together than Moonshiner's a woman, let's just say it.

881
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:16,599
Speaker 2: Yes, he learned.

882
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 8: He learned one or two things of between these two movies.

883
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:25,360
So that comes out in nineteen seventy one. I don't

884
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,320
know how well that did. It's hard to even find

885
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,360
paper for that. It's against the title. It's not on

886
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,320
IMDb pretty much.

887
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,639
Speaker 2: Someone added it to TMDb, but I don't know what

888
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,800
they put on it. I only just found The Great

889
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,360
Movie Trial because I was finding him referencing it, and

890
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,039
then about an article saying it's since been retitled to

891
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:45,280
obsnity obscenity. I was like, okay, I mean, that's definitely

892
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,440
better for advertising than The Great Movie Trial. And I

893
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,559
also wonder because he said that he was inspired by

894
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,199
the Seven Minutes to do The Great Movie Trial. Seven

895
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,079
Minutes was a huge disaster, So clearly you're gonna wanna

896
00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:59,639
call it obsnity obscenity becauseho's gonna want to watch a

897
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:04,039
movie by a trial after the seven minutes bombed disastrously.

898
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: Too, that he mentioned russ Meyer because you know, we

899
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,639
know that he has seen some russ Meyer films, which

900
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,920
I think will be important to when we talk about

901
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:18,639
the movie here. Oh, Surety Town Honey, which has definitely

902
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,079
echoes of russ Meyer.

903
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: Right, but even when his woman founds like Sam's seems like,

904
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,400
I mean, he's clearly seen Laura and mud Honey, Like

905
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,199
who hasn't at that point, Like that's toured like crazy.

906
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 8: One notable thing to connect this with Shandytown is if

907
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,920
this was the first one before a Sylum of the Insane. Uh,

908
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:43,679
this is the first Ashley Brooke vehicle that he actually

909
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,440
did with her.

910
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, sorry to interrupt. I just remember there is

911
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,519
an article about Ashley Brook where it says he found

912
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,000
her and then put her in The Great Movie Trial

913
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,480
and then Asylum of the Insane, and then that's a honeymoon.

914
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:01,880
So that's the chronology. So the Great Movie Trial was first,

915
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:07,199
and then this one. Say it doesn't even count. I

916
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,760
just I can't even count it. It's like what six

917
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,159
minutes of footage the.

918
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,119
Speaker 17: Screen explodes in a popent viril explosion.

919
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 2: Of sheer sexual energy.

920
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 17: Only recent court decisions coupled with the gradients of an

921
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:32,079
international director make this film possible. From the withering cesspool

922
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:37,320
of modern minds and observation of the great society without morals,

923
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:44,239
People in a hurry, traveling a road that goes nowhere,

924
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:48,960
people caught in the mirror of self truth, a solid

925
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,320
cinematic realization, man.

926
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,039
Speaker 8: And woman loving, hating using.

927
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 17: It, a slice of unleashed hate and Villen Don Davison's

928
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,000
masterpiece of sin and sexual package.

929
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 8: Sunny Sunny. Yeah. So I'm just gonna really briefly get

930
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,599
into her for a second, because she just pops up.

931
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 16: Now.

932
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 8: She was a little She was born Chattanooga, Tennessee. Smartly,

933
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,320
she received a degree in business at the University of Tennessee,

934
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,039
began doing stage acting and modeling. She did a lot

935
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:32,599
of small local TV commercials for local businesses, which is

936
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:35,800
how she met Davison. How how that happened, I do

937
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,800
not know. And he cast her in this and then

938
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,800
supposedly she's an asylum of the insane footage, which may

939
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,039
be true because the Okay, so I don't have the

940
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,079
she freaked blu ray, I only have the image Monsters

941
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,599
Crash Liver Jam Party release, but there's a smidge of

942
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:57,559
footage missing from the image, one where a go go

943
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,320
girl is attacked by a man with a knife, and

944
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,480
I'm wondering if that could be her or he just

945
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:08,920
grabbed her and toured her around to promote Asylum of

946
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,239
the Insane, saying that she is the starlet of Asylum

947
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,920
of the Insane who supposedly did Yeah, well, she did

948
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,559
a bunch of newspaper interviews, as we found, she supposedly

949
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,199
did some radio. Yeah, he took her a little press

950
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,960
junket for Asylum of the Insane, which is eight minutes

951
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,599
of shitty three D footage inserted in the beginning of

952
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,719
She Freak. I mean, I don't know if all the

953
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,480
prints were Chief Freak, because there were at least six

954
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:41,280
prints circulating. The one we have is She Freak, And yeah,

955
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:44,840
that did not too badly for him. But how can

956
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,400
you lose on an eight minute three D reel and

957
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:53,519
stolen prints? It's so stupid, like, how can you Well,

958
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:55,360
it's so funny reading one of the interviews, it's kind

959
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,679
of like Ashley is Ashley Brooke has sworn as secrecy

960
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,000
about what the movie's about, and I'm just like, she's

961
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:03,239
not an idiot if she had that business degree. She's like,

962
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,760
you know what, this is great, I'm getting paid. Let's

963
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,119
let's ride this train all the way to the bank.

964
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:09,920
I'm in papers.

965
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,199
Speaker 7: Yeah.

966
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 8: Actually, actually seems like a smart little cookie. Yeah, smart smart. Actually,

967
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:16,800
now she knows exactly what she's doing.

968
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find her. I was trying to even

969
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,280
trace back to where I was trying to trace her

970
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,159
back to the high school and the college. I think actually,

971
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,599
Ashley Brook might just be her first and middle name

972
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,679
and different, and I don't know what her last name

973
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:31,960
would be. So that's the titles.

974
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 8: Ashley Brook is I've learned kind of a common name,

975
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:41,719
shockingly as well. So lots of dead ends there. So yeah,

976
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,639
a solemn of the insane happens. I can't believe. Yeah,

977
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:48,599
he advertised that whole thing is being three D. It's

978
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,880
only eight minutes of that, and some of it's just

979
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,360
children playing and a yo yo demonstration.

980
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,199
Speaker 2: Oh right, the yo yo demonstration. Tying back in, He's like,

981
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,039
let's for old times sake, let's do some yo yo shit.

982
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 8: Right. Yeah, I don't know who the guy's name is.

983
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:07,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was that was the.

984
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 8: Front of his from the old Yo Yo Champion days.

985
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,039
Speaker 3: So he's throwing the yo yo in your face like

986
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,320
as three years like hals wax too, Hase waxes that

987
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,199
yo yo, doesn't it.

988
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: I think something that I think is so interesting to

989
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,440
note though, is he was born nineteen forty four. Some

990
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,880
of these newspaper articles are aging him when he was

991
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,199
doing yoyo stuff, saying like he's twenty three twenty four.

992
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:31,800
He was literally eighteen years old when he was touring

993
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,679
as this yoyo champion. He was twenty five when he

994
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,599
did Moonshiner's Woman, and he looks so much older in

995
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,119
the movie. So it's just like I think he reads

996
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:42,760
his older because he's like this big, burly guy, but

997
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,199
he was in his two cell in his twenties when

998
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,320
he did he would click his hair back. That made

999
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,760
him a little older. Yes, he was like a bad,

1000
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,559
low budget devious Orson Wells some really nuts he because

1001
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:59,280
Orson Wells did Citizens came when he was what twenty five? Right?

1002
00:56:59,440 --> 00:56:59,639
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1003
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,599
Speaker 2: The Moonshiner's a Woman at twenty five, The exploitation this

1004
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,559
citizen King Don Davison, the Orson wells of exploitation. Exploitation. Yeah,

1005
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:11,360
it's nuts because when you think about it, Yeah, he

1006
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,480
was twenty seven and seventy one. That's really nuts, that's

1007
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:16,599
really nuts. He was a baby compared to all these

1008
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,960
other guys like Novak and all these World War two people.

1009
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:20,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1010
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was younger, younger than everybody.

1011
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 8: And Bob Cressey was also very young compared to Yes, right,

1012
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,519
Bob Cressey was at a little older than him, but

1013
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:31,079
not by much.

1014
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Presty's another one that he appeared older than he

1015
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,039
actually was.

1016
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's the roundness. Probably it's the roundness.

1017
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:43,760
But yeah, it is crazy. That's something that I definitely

1018
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,760
wanted to mention. It's like when I was because I

1019
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,480
was wondering if the birth date was right, and I

1020
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:49,199
found his death certificate and it is right, and I

1021
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,719
was like, wait a minute, So he really was in

1022
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,119
his twenties when he was doing this shit. I thought

1023
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:54,599
that he was. I thought it was a lie, I

1024
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:56,719
thought it was a mistake. No, he really was like

1025
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:01,400
this wonder kind of expectation. Really nuts.

1026
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: Well maybe that's why Friedman kind of like gave him

1027
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,239
a little bit of a pass. You know when he

1028
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,920
was mucking around with his she freak print.

1029
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:14,079
Speaker 8: It's like, and she also found out a long time later.

1030
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,199
Speaker 2: Oh really, I was gonna ask you that.

1031
00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:23,159
Speaker 8: One of the commentaries, Dawn fested up about that ages later.

1032
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,320
Wow yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, long time later. I mean again,

1033
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,280
he has played it really deep down in the south, right,

1034
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,599
a campaign that that had included zero artwork stolen from Chantytown.

1035
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: That's true.

1036
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 8: So who would know, isn't it three D?

1037
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,639
Speaker 3: Like unless someone saw it and ran and told Dave, Yeah,

1038
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:47,519
how would you ever know?

1039
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,079
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1040
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,719
Speaker 2: Right, But if he was handling distribution all himself, then

1041
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,960
none of the other forty thieves would be aware of it,

1042
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:58,239
Like any of the other regional distributors like a Sack

1043
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,039
or any of the other people that were doing all

1044
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:03,480
the Southern stuff. They wouldn't have they wouldn't have been

1045
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:06,360
able to drop the don to Dave Day, would have

1046
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,960
had not a clue. So yeah, that's something else I

1047
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:09,760
didn't even think about.

1048
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 8: For context, folks, Davidson was classic road show like he

1049
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,079
was very thirties and how he distributed things where he

1050
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:19,440
would just bounce from town to town in town with

1051
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,920
him or another associate handling it at all, just really

1052
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,840
quickly come in paper a town. Gilso's appearances, play the

1053
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,239
film around, move on.

1054
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,199
Speaker 2: Which makes me wonder like who taught him? Like who

1055
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,199
was his mentor?

1056
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:35,639
Speaker 3: Because if he's this young, you know who showed him

1057
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:36,440
these ropes?

1058
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, if he was doing the spook shows, whoever was doing.

1059
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 8: Whoever was behind like Doctor Sin and and shows like that,

1060
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,639
would have he would have already known, like to he

1061
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:50,199
would have already had connections with theater owners and drive ins.

1062
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,440
I should mention Don was one of the few who

1063
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:54,519
did spook shows at drive ins on top of the

1064
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:59,000
concession stand. So he had so crazy his finger on

1065
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,440
his his finger on on on the pulse back in

1066
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:05,840
the back in the early to mid sixties, and this

1067
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:07,000
is just another show.

1068
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:10,559
Speaker 2: And then based on that, with that history of screening,

1069
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,280
just whatever print they had, regardless of whether they had

1070
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,960
the rights to it. Yeah, just shove a fake title

1071
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,639
on anything you have a print of and put and

1072
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,480
just screen it because who's gonna know. Once it's done,

1073
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,119
it goes back into my trunk. Yeah, once it's out

1074
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:28,559
back in my tront who's gonna know, right, crazy.

1075
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,079
Speaker 8: A bunch of crazy guys. Yeah, would have would have

1076
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:34,280
a would have a movie like skid Row, and it

1077
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,599
would be some motogram drama from from the from the thirties,

1078
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,360
just tacked on in there with a birth of a

1079
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,719
baby reel of course.

1080
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,119
Speaker 2: Right, That's kind of why I've like i've been, I've

1081
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,440
been trying to find out what the childbirth movies are

1082
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:50,079
that he did. And they could have been any number

1083
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,800
of different films. It might not have been one film

1084
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,840
like I for whatever reason I thought Wages of Sin

1085
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,679
or Price of Sam was that sixty six German movie.

1086
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,480
It might not have been. It might have been an

1087
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:03,239
age old thing. It might have been because of EU

1088
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,199
for all we know. I heard.

1089
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,159
Speaker 8: I don't know. And also this is unsubstantiated. I heard

1090
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:10,400
one of the prince used was Ghetto Freaks later on

1091
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:12,519
for that because I was playing into the seventies, which

1092
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:16,239
is nuts, like just like I guess they learn the

1093
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,719
wages of sin like I guess they learn in that.

1094
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,239
And again that had birth of a baby too. That

1095
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,519
was that was a combo. It was the Price of

1096
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:28,840
Life and Wages of Sin together, right, blah blah blah

1097
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:29,239
blah blah.

1098
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:32,639
Speaker 2: And I think I don't know. I need to try

1099
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:34,559
to find more interviews with Don about that. I know

1100
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,159
that Cinefier did an interview with him. That's also something

1101
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:39,679
that I feel like Mike or Lisa might have asked him,

1102
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:41,840
and a movie should follow with Lisa on this is like,

1103
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,480
did he ever reveal what the actual identity of these

1104
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:47,800
movies were that he put out under these different titles

1105
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,440
or was that something that he took to the grave

1106
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,199
with him because he was just like trade secret like

1107
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,400
you know, you know, I could see him being a

1108
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,199
magician and keeping a secrets to himself.

1109
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 8: That's the thing. Yeah, what I know, because I spoke

1110
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,679
to Lisa about this last night, is all is a

1111
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,840
Mike never officially interviewed him, so he's not down on

1112
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,239
the record. And there's a bunch of paper He gave

1113
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,639
him a bunch of paperwork. But I don't exactly think

1114
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:17,440
they would say jesup said is ghetto freak send it here,

1115
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:20,719
so on, so forth. There's a lot of Yeah, there's

1116
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,159
a bunch of mysterious things connected to Don. I don't

1117
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:26,719
think we will ever know. He was connected to another

1118
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,440
weird horror movie show called Horror Swamp or something like

1119
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:33,559
that that leads his paper four of women in a

1120
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,800
yard attacking people like there's a bunch of there's like,

1121
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:39,000
there's a lot we won't We will never know about

1122
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:43,440
Don unfortunately, because he died before DVD era.

1123
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:48,679
Speaker 2: Young too, fifty five years old. Yeah, yeah, he could

1124
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:51,239
still be alive at born in forty four, he would

1125
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,639
be eighty two. We have eighty two year od filmakers.

1126
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:57,280
We're talking to Barry Spinella. Yeah, we get people in

1127
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:57,800
their eighties.

1128
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:58,639
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1129
01:02:58,719 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1130
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 15: The pictures that you we'll see in a few minutes

1131
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,960
will explain in bold and plain and factual language the

1132
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:10,960
facts of life that many parents cannot or will not explain.

1133
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,360
We do hope that many of you have your sons

1134
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:17,480
and your daughters with you this evening to see this program,

1135
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:22,559
for we believe that ignorance is sin and knowledge is power.

1136
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,760
And now here was the first part of our program.

1137
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:28,639
Speaker 3: So what I gather here like all these mystery titles,

1138
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:32,039
we don't know if they're even original Don Davis movies

1139
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:32,280
or not.

1140
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: Is that what I'm hearing?

1141
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:38,639
Speaker 8: Yes? The only mystery film that he supposedly made, which

1142
01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:41,559
is after Shantown Honeymoon, was this thing called the smut

1143
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:46,320
Peddler shot as ride again, which involved some of the

1144
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,679
Shantytown women like Pepper Thurston, Valerie Lepsaye to her and

1145
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,880
Ashley Brooke, which was apparently shot finished he started working

1146
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,719
on the campaign for it. But I haven't found any

1147
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,800
thing called the smut Peddler Plane anywhere. So was this

1148
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,480
film ever actually completed? Where is this film? All his

1149
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:13,480
negatives don't exist, so besides Shanningtown because that was sold.

1150
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,719
Speaker 2: But was he distracted by Film Ventures potentially? I don't know.

1151
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:21,719
Speaker 8: I don't know, because when he was working at Film Ventures,

1152
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,000
we're going ahead a bit, folks, but he was still

1153
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,960
releasing like movies.

1154
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. That's true as well. But then film

1155
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,159
Ventures released a lot of He reissued some stuff through

1156
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:36,320
Film Ventures too, like Hillbilly Hooker was a Film Ventures.

1157
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:39,039
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, that's right, that's correct.

1158
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, Love Slaves was was Film Ventures.

1159
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:45,199
Speaker 8: We should briefly mention Dragon Art probably.

1160
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,719
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was gonna say, we haven't even talked

1161
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:50,280
about probably what most people know don from, which is

1162
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,960
the Dragon Drive in theater.

1163
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 8: Yes, it was just one, but something weird took like uh,

1164
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,280
took the name and made it, did that whole series? Yeah,

1165
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:06,599
of storefront hardcore films, which included his intro, his filmed

1166
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:10,159
intro to the Dragon Art Theater, which is a wonderful thing.

1167
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It's just Don sitting in a room going, we hope

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01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,480
you enjoy your time at Dragon Art Theater, the best

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01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,039
in adult entertainment. Let it be known these films are

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01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:20,800
strictly for adults only. Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Which is funny though because now now that we've seen

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01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:26,960
more of the films that have shown at that theater,

1173
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,519
they didn't show hardcore for a long time, so like

1174
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,440
a lot, but it was all in before. All hardcore

1175
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:37,559
is nuts because they were not showing hardcore. They were

1176
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:40,159
showing softcore until at least nineteen seventy three. They were

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01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:44,239
not making that transition. Yeah, it was considering how many

1178
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,159
things he was convicted for over softcore, like in sixty nine,

1179
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,599
seventies seventy one, it was all over softcore.

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01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 8: Sit still, which is crazy, yeah, crazy, yeah yeah. Apparently

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,960
that area was super relicious, folks. This was in Gainesville, Florida.

1182
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,159
The open the Dragon Drive in in nineteen sixty nine.

1183
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,480
The name changed to Dragon Art a year later, and

1184
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,639
apparently he had a ton of local harassment because by

1185
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,400
nineteen seventy five he was over it and sold it

1186
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:21,039
to the local Catholic church who tried to run shitty

1187
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:24,800
family films for a short period, but that went nowhere,

1188
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,760
so they demolished it.

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01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 10: Wow.

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01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:29,239
Speaker 2: He was sentenced to six months and their sixty days

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01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,280
in jail, and he kept trying to appeal it for

1192
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,079
several years because he let a minor in off the

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01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:37,159
move to a minor son.

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01:06:37,679 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, fifteen had a policeman's fifteen year old son, and

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01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:40,920
you know what they.

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01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: Were showing Daisy Chain and kiss Me Quick and a

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01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,880
preview of Secret Sex size of Romeo and Juliet, non hardcore,

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01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:50,639
and this was in nineteen seventy Yeah, And he kept

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trying to appeal it so that he didn't have to

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01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:53,679
go to jail. I found an article where it's like

1201
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:55,440
they kept denying it and denying it. He kept going

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01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:58,000
back over and over and into nineteen seventy four, he

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01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,519
was all trying to appeal it, and eventual I don't

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01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:01,920
know if he ever did the jail time, but he

1205
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:03,920
was trying to not go to jail, and I don't

1206
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,360
know if they have. They continued to refuse to vacate

1207
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:11,360
the conviction. It's just so crazy that share. Yeah, that

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01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,679
sheriff must have been had it out for him.

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:14,199
Speaker 10: I know.

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 8: Were they trying to make an example out of him?

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01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:18,519
Speaker 2: Who knows, I don't know. They went all the way

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01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:20,960
to Florida Supreme Court. He went to the state level.

1213
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:24,239
Not just yeah, not just not just local level and

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01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,039
one state level.

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01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:25,519
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 8: Crazy.

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01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 18: In the pre dawn hours today, when most people were

1218
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,079
still sound asleep, at least two men were very hard

1219
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:35,360
at work. The unidentified pair, wearing stocking masks, marched only

1220
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,519
into the midtown office of Dubois Jewelers, overpowered the night

1221
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:41,239
watchmen and made off with what has been estimated at

1222
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,800
over a million dollars worth.

1223
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:43,599
Speaker 8: Of rare gems.

1224
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 18: After discarding their masks, the thieves proceeded to the building's

1225
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,599
root heliport, where they common near the helicopter. The helicopter

1226
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,159
was later found abandoned at a small airport just north

1227
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:55,760
of the city. Witnesses of the scene say that the

1228
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,400
men were met by two females and at all four

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01:07:58,519 --> 01:07:59,840
took off in a twin engine.

1230
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 2: Aircraft that was apparently waiting there.

1231
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:04,559
Speaker 18: The same plane is believed to have crashed in the

1232
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,280
heart of the Carolina Mountains. A largion of the wreckage

1233
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,239
is currently under way.

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01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so he sells the theater and then

1235
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,239
what's he do?

1236
01:08:11,679 --> 01:08:14,079
Speaker 8: Well, we should get back to nineteen seventy one, okay,

1237
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,079
because so in nineteen seventy one, even before Salom of

1238
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:24,319
the Insane is released, he's preparing to shoot another film,

1239
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:31,399
which was which became Our shanty Town Honeymoon. So first, so,

1240
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:35,159
first of all, the original attention was to shoot the

1241
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:38,159
whole thing in three D. Crat that would been crazy.

1242
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:40,520
Imagine I imagine this in three D.

1243
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean Pepper in three D, I mean beating heart kid.

1244
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 8: Shot of her walking towards the camera and just smothering

1245
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,760
it with her tip, Like I mean, come on, can

1246
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,600
you imagine that isn't a whild that wait that.

1247
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 2: She is so incredible and she doesn't even be a

1248
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,399
nunity in this film. She didn't need to. Yeah, she

1249
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:05,439
doesn't need to, you know, yes, kind of ruin it

1250
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,319
in a way. It's like one of those cases where yeah,

1251
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,079
it would ruin it.

1252
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1253
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,399
Speaker 2: No, she's just all woman. You don't need you don't

1254
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:13,880
need to know what's under the clothing under.

1255
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:19,399
Speaker 8: The herself an untouchable tease, so it adds for her. Yeah,

1256
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:25,800
it's yeah. Just so around this time, Preacher Man had

1257
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,520
been shot for sixty thousand dollars and came out and

1258
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,720
made a bucket load, so he kind of wanted to

1259
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,680
have his Yeah, but made a lot of money, so

1260
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,000
he kind of now wanted to have his own Preacher Man.

1261
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:44,439
His wife, Barbara Morris Davidson conceived of the plot. It's

1262
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,920
set for the paperback market. I have not found any

1263
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,319
evidence of her point out fiction.

1264
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,119
Speaker 2: I know I was gonna say, mister paperback, you would.

1265
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,159
Speaker 8: Know, yeah exactly, I would have been on those ages ago. Oh,

1266
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,199
so she wrote the So she wrote the script for

1267
01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:07,000
This Bad Boy, which was then simply titled Honeymoon. Shockingly,

1268
01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:11,760
the budget was supposedly fifty thousand dollars, financed by a

1269
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,359
various bunch of like theater owners and distributors, none of

1270
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,640
Don's money nice even before shooting out. Tanya Hansen was

1271
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,359
supposed to be in it, the Swedish Gal. She wasn't,

1272
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,760
of course. It starred Ashley Brooke once again as Riba Sue,

1273
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:34,520
and a bevy of other local Atlanta actors, and of

1274
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:39,920
course Pepper Thurston, who was just a local model and

1275
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,039
singer in Atlanta. She's only ever in one other film,

1276
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:52,199
The Heat ind of Makbangyao, That of the Girls. I

1277
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:55,439
watched the trailer beforehand to get to get to try

1278
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,079
and get the vernacular.

1279
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 2: Right, right. I forgot that trailer.

1280
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, that awful, awful trailer which was shot by the

1281
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,880
which was shot by Lee Jones, who was who was

1282
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:10,039
Don's right hand man in Moonshiner's Woman and was the

1283
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:17,720
producer of Shantytown. See the Hidden of Mouk Biang Jowl

1284
01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:21,159
coming soon to this theater. How about Gone with the

1285
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:29,399
Wind of Mouth, the Hidan of Mouk Biang Jow. If

1286
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,399
you can't say it, go see it.

1287
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:36,239
Speaker 18: Tennessee Valley Authority, The Odd Father, Moon over My Army, No,

1288
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:37,359
it's Moon over Miami.

1289
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,079
Speaker 2: What's that mass man? I don't know, man, but he

1290
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:41,079
left the silver toilet.

1291
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 8: See there's Lee was interviewed once, but only about William Girdler.

1292
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,000
It was not a career spanning the interview. So how

1293
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:52,319
they met up was he was he was working in

1294
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:56,880
Atlanta film at some point. But how they met up yet,

1295
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,119
I have absolutely no idea. Yeah, other actors, The most

1296
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:07,399
interesting one was definitely George Ellis, who played the Moonshiner Harlan. He,

1297
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:12,199
besides starting off in theater, was most notorious as one

1298
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:17,920
of the early TV horror hosts called the Stoink Duley,

1299
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,960
who was more of a little like popper looking guy.

1300
01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 9: He was.

1301
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,520
Speaker 8: He was not a scary horror host.

1302
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:26,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was he?

1303
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:26,359
Speaker 17: Like?

1304
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: What was his get up?

1305
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 8: He had a he had a little top hat, a

1306
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:38,039
crappy little suit, flower in his breast pocket. Yeah. He

1307
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,800
mostly played played for laughs and things. Yeah, he was

1308
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,800
the most unscary TV horror host you could ever you

1309
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,000
could ever have. But he was well known enough that

1310
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,680
that the Duly character was brought to screen in a

1311
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,359
Legend of Blood Mountain in nineteen sixty five.

1312
01:12:58,159 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't he on the poster for that?

1313
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:00,359
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1314
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 2: It's an illustration, so it is. It's very strange. Yeah,

1315
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,880
I remember that poster now, and now that you described him,

1316
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,920
I was like, wait a minute, I've seen that poster.

1317
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,079
I would not see that movie based on the poster.

1318
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. It's apparently not good.

1319
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 2: The original versions lost. I think the only version that's

1320
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,399
around is the Jeffer C. Hogue version. I think because

1321
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:23,319
something we're gonna put that out.

1322
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,039
Speaker 8: Was it originally called Legend Blood Mountain? Because there's a

1323
01:13:26,079 --> 01:13:26,600
print of that.

1324
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,359
Speaker 2: It wasn't sixty five? And then it was retitled Blood

1325
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:32,680
Beast of Monster of Monster Mountain. That's the version that

1326
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:33,760
most people have access to.

1327
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 8: I know, I know someone who has a print of

1328
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:41,960
I think the original version. Recently it's not on a video. Well,

1329
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:44,119
Jeffrey C. Hoague has that film.

1330
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:48,039
Speaker 2: Does he own the retitled recut version or the original version?

1331
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:49,279
That's the big question.

1332
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 8: I know, I know that's not happen.

1333
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 2: It wouldn't matter what the He wouldn't know if it

1334
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,319
was true or not. He would just say he owned it.

1335
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,520
He wouldn't tell you. I wouldn't tell you straight up

1336
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:01,760
or not.

1337
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:07,399
Speaker 8: That's very true, Yeah, exactly exactly. His biggest claim to

1338
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,600
local Atlanta history, though, is that he started the first

1339
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,520
art house theater in the mid sixties, called the Festival Cinema,

1340
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,359
which naturally did not do well at all. Playing art

1341
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:24,560
house films, he accumulated forty thousand dollars in debt and

1342
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,520
had to switch to adult films to make up for that.

1343
01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:34,439
He was arrested on obscenity charges. Think around nineteen seventy.

1344
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,239
In nineteen sixty nine, thus forcing the theater to close.

1345
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:43,239
But in nineteen seventy countercultural movement was growing a bit,

1346
01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:45,600
and inspired by that, he thought it was a good

1347
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,479
time to try again, and he opened the Film Forum,

1348
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,640
and wildly he decided to open a second Film Forum,

1349
01:14:55,079 --> 01:14:59,399
and then a third cinema called the Bijoux Cinema, which

1350
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:04,319
he ran throughout the seventies. Unfortunately, by nineteen eighty those

1351
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:07,359
things barely managed to stay afloat. I'm shocked that they

1352
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,920
lasted for as long as they did. They were constantly

1353
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,680
struggling to break even. He was pretty much he was

1354
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,600
forced to close and sell off the theaters. And by

1355
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,199
that point I don't know how well he was doing

1356
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:22,439
on stage. Beyond screen, he had just been really doing

1357
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,800
small bit parts everyonce in Blue Moon. By nineteen eighty

1358
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,239
he hadn't done anything in five years. So he sadly

1359
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:35,000
faded off into obscurity, broke and died of a heart

1360
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,520
attack in the motel room where he was living in

1361
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,920
nineteen eighty three. Very sad into that man, because he's

1362
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:41,279
great in.

1363
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:47,359
Speaker 4: This evil Jedile doing weep the name of r Sweet

1364
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,479
Fall You from a married man.

1365
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 8: To look After the Light quickly going through Mike Koolik, Yeah,

1366
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,479
local actor, he had some six some TV. He didn't

1367
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:06,479
want to talk about this movie, but.

1368
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: His IMDb bio was very interesting.

1369
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 8: Have you not read it?

1370
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,039
Speaker 2: Yes? Fascinating we have, I mean, yeah, I mean the

1371
01:16:13,119 --> 01:16:15,880
guy he was, he was supposed to. He wanted to

1372
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,239
get married to a woman whose family didn't wouldn't let

1373
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:21,720
him get married because he was Jewish. They she had

1374
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,359
a daughter that he had to give up, and then

1375
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,760
he came back like ten years later trying to find

1376
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,920
her and wrote a script about it. I find that

1377
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:32,279
very interesting. Who put this all in the IMDb for him?

1378
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,600
It says an admirer. Interesting, So I have no idea.

1379
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 8: He wrote a memoir which I have seen the cover of,

1380
01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:41,560
but you can't find it anywhere.

1381
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:45,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that's about that's about that specifically?

1382
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe? I know his daughter is spoken

1383
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,560
about him, because at first I was going to try

1384
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,960
and find her to get to him, and I found

1385
01:16:53,039 --> 01:16:57,840
him right in living in Florida doing his thing, I guess,

1386
01:16:58,760 --> 01:16:59,880
grumbling to people like me.

1387
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,359
Speaker 2: He definitely wrote that. He definitely wrote that IMDb mini

1388
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:09,560
biography yeah, it's very florid and very yes, but I

1389
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,880
thought it was very interesting. I mean it's it's once

1390
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,039
again like he's fine in this but it's just like, well,

1391
01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:18,159
that's a very interesting story. I would read that story.

1392
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:21,239
Speaker 3: And the IMDb is, you know, in his biography it

1393
01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:26,119
has his height five eight and a half, Like, come on,

1394
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,880
he totally updated that, you.

1395
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 11: Know he had that half?

1396
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you know, I do like that. But I

1397
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,039
like I like when people around and contribute their own

1398
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,560
IMDb bios like that, especially when when they're not really

1399
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,479
known people, so like there's no one who would be

1400
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,159
updating a bio except for that person or a family member. Yeah, yeah,

1401
01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:51,760
but I thought that was an interesting bio.

1402
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: He plays, remind us who he plays in the movie.

1403
01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:02,079
Speaker 8: Again, he plays Kirk. There you go, and you can

1404
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:04,960
just tell her the name what his character's like. He's Kirk,

1405
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,880
He's fine, He's again. This movie is about the women,

1406
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:13,560
like as one of those films were like, yeah, the

1407
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,560
guys are just there to give reason for the women

1408
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,680
to do things besides walking around looking.

1409
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 2: Great pretty much. I mean that is exploitation in a nutshell,

1410
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,079
Like I don't care about the men. Get on my life,

1411
01:18:24,119 --> 01:18:26,800
it is not interested.

1412
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:30,079
Speaker 3: There's Harlan as the Moonshiner. Yeah, and then there's the

1413
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:36,600
like buttoned up British guy who is the mastermind.

1414
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, the discount Donald Pleasance. Jim Peck. He was interesting

1415
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:48,119
because he started so he started as a minister, but

1416
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:51,600
because of his advocacy for civil rights, he was dismissed.

1417
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:55,119
So when he was so, he became an actor at

1418
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:59,720
thirty seven and had a I don't know if he's

1419
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,000
still doing it. I just can't find him. I last

1420
01:19:03,039 --> 01:19:06,159
information I found is in twenty thirteen he was still

1421
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,520
doing theater work. Interesting, so he's been he's kept busy. Jim,

1422
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,720
if you happen to be listening to this, reach out

1423
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:19,680
Truthy Moore, who you figured out is assistant director. Trudy

1424
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,239
and McCullough now need to do some more work on that.

1425
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,720
The electric real sales girl.

1426
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: Yes, And I confirmed because there was a picture in

1427
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,079
the paper and that it matches her. The chin matches.

1428
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:35,399
She has a little like dimple or a little mark

1429
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,720
or something on her chin, which is also when the

1430
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,199
picture in the paper. So I'm like, okay, that that

1431
01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:41,520
is truly more good to know.

1432
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's also why.

1433
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,199
Speaker 2: She also didn't do nudity either, because she was She

1434
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,640
was a sales girl who I guess wanted to help

1435
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,039
Don out. Could have been his mistress for all I know. Sorry,

1436
01:19:53,039 --> 01:19:55,479
if you're listening to True, that's where the mom goes.

1437
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,319
You know. Yeah, it makes you wonder why Robert wasn't

1438
01:19:58,319 --> 01:19:59,279
the assistant of the director.

1439
01:19:59,359 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 3: Does it?

1440
01:19:59,640 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 9: Not?

1441
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:01,079
Speaker 5: Like?

1442
01:20:01,359 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 8: Where is Barbara in this whole thing?

1443
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: Why involved? Yeah, it's very interesting. How did they Churney

1444
01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:11,600
with Barbara's sister? Like I said, we need to research

1445
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,520
this more, but you just I don't know. Maybe it's

1446
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,199
this is law, I don't know.

1447
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 8: More iconic Madam jesse Bell Valerie Lipsy not just check

1448
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:26,880
es jesse Bell.

1449
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 2: I said, I know it's from the moment her Jesse

1450
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:30,720
Bell in the movie though.

1451
01:20:31,239 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Matt, I told you mad name is Jessic Bell. Not.

1452
01:20:36,119 --> 01:20:36,359
Speaker 7: I know.

1453
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,399
Speaker 3: That's goods a great little speech.

1454
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, she's fun, she's Yeah, there's little moments in this

1455
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,560
film like Barbara, I like.

1456
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,560
Speaker 2: You, you know, the script is good, there's good time. Yeah.

1457
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching it, I was like, this is a poorly

1458
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:55,520
I don't want to say poorly written.

1459
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: It's not as good.

1460
01:20:57,119 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 3: Russ Meyer that's the feeling I got throughout. There are

1461
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,680
entertaining moments, but it makes me think of how well

1462
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,439
written Russ's films really are.

1463
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,039
Speaker 2: After you see this, it's more like common luck habin,

1464
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:15,640
which is not Russ It is Jack Moran. That's what

1465
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,840
it's like. Yes, it's like a Jack Moran script for

1466
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,239
a Russ Meyer movie, not as Jack Morane script. Pepper

1467
01:21:22,359 --> 01:21:25,800
is Alena Capri. Pepper is basically a Lena Capri, Yeah,

1468
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:34,840
but giant, but giant, huskier, just much more. Yes, very

1469
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,880
different vibe than Elena Caprix.

1470
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 16: How can you possibly expect me to take a bath?

1471
01:21:40,079 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 7: And that I do it all the time.

1472
01:21:43,119 --> 01:21:46,079
Speaker 13: Try to remember, Suzanne, not everyone is as big as

1473
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:46,520
you are.

1474
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 3: I realized that they actually do a few references to

1475
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,840
her size, Like it's yes, I don't I didn't pick

1476
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,520
that up in the first time I watched it, But yeah,

1477
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,840
it's like constant, like everything they say to her is like,

1478
01:21:58,319 --> 01:22:00,479
you're a giant, You're a huge, Like you can't you

1479
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,800
can't wash yourself in the sink because you're too big.

1480
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 8: I think I was loving they bust a pig.

1481
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:10,239
Speaker 2: It would have been weird if they didn't reference it.

1482
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,159
I think too conspicuous. It's like this woman is a

1483
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:16,720
giant and towers over everyone else in the movie. I

1484
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,319
feel like we need to address.

1485
01:22:18,039 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 8: This, and it is absolutely once again unflustered by everything

1486
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:29,279
going on around her. It's queen wearing that wonderful out

1487
01:22:29,359 --> 01:22:32,600
wearing that wonderful sweater with the bet with the with

1488
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,079
the belt, the tiniest of shorts, the go go boots,

1489
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:38,840
which is the exact same outfit that she wears in

1490
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:41,640
he dan, So I like to think that her claws

1491
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,880
is just twenty of those sure, and nothing more like,

1492
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,199
that's just what Pepper wears. She's still wearing them to

1493
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:48,680
this day.

1494
01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:51,359
Speaker 2: Well, I was very excited when I was like, you

1495
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,680
know what, what the hell, let's see, let's see if

1496
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,119
we can find Pepper lo and behold, there's only one.

1497
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,640
That name is too specific. I thought it was a

1498
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,439
fake name, not a fake name. Yep, it is her

1499
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,920
real name. There's a p as far as we know

1500
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,640
she's alive. Did you send her a letter?

1501
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:16,119
Speaker 8: Yes? So, folks. There were three different numbers attached to her.

1502
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:20,680
All of them were out, none of them. So I

1503
01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:25,000
sent her a letter last week. We will see what happens.

1504
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,560
She is my goddess. She is why I wake up

1505
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:34,159
every morning. So if I get a letter from her,

1506
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,199
I will there'll be a reason why I won't hear

1507
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:38,119
from me for like a month.

1508
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: Now, you have to survive that to tell us that

1509
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,600
it happened. Because although if you just if you just

1510
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,520
pass away from the excitement, it will do nobody any good.

1511
01:23:48,119 --> 01:23:51,159
Speaker 8: Well, I'll be found response from her.

1512
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: So don't find your body on the floor like clutch

1513
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,159
the letter in your hand.

1514
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, uh huh.

1515
01:24:00,319 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: Now can you imagine, Alex, if you were a little

1516
01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:09,720
gay boy in nineteen seventy one South Carolina it's whatever,

1517
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:16,079
and Pepper Thurston rolls into town for personal appearance with Shantytown.

1518
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 8: Honeymoon would never be the same again, that's.

1519
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:21,600
Speaker 2: A life changing though.

1520
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,039
Speaker 8: It would be Oh my god, she even would die.

1521
01:24:25,119 --> 01:24:27,119
It didn't even have to say anything. If she just

1522
01:24:27,239 --> 01:24:29,600
looked in my direction, I would melt.

1523
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,239
Speaker 7: Why don't you pick on someone your own size for

1524
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:33,479
want to create.

1525
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,079
Speaker 18: If you have a considered mind in your own business.

1526
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 11: Now shut up all of.

1527
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 3: You, so tell us about these appearances she made, though

1528
01:24:42,039 --> 01:24:45,560
I'm curious, Yeah, how what kind of rounds did they make?

1529
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: Where did they go well.

1530
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 8: Apparently he took Davison took her on a multi city

1531
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,840
tour for nine days, with stops at six TV stations,

1532
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,520
fourteen newspaper offices, and thirty one radio stations. She gave

1533
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:06,439
away five thousand, three hundred autographed photos and was there

1534
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:13,119
in person at two of its premiere openings. Did they

1535
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:15,720
shuffle her between I do not know if they played

1536
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,600
it earlier at one and then they quickly jumped into

1537
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,920
the car and I went to the next one. But

1538
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,479
the opening ads has a photo of her what looks

1539
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,439
like some sort of model shot. She's looking great. Wish

1540
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:34,800
I owned that tonight only star Pepper Thurston in person.

1541
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,279
Speaker 2: It's crazy now actually knowing that she stopped at TV

1542
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:44,920
stations and radio stations. There's hypothetically footage of her in

1543
01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:48,800
the local news media archives. I wish we knew which

1544
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,000
stations and which radio stations those were, because it's entirely

1545
01:25:52,119 --> 01:25:55,279
possible there's more footage of Pepper that we haven't seen

1546
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:58,439
yet as herself, just talking.

1547
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, anything with that voice.

1548
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:07,119
Speaker 2: Holy grail is to now get her six hypothetical six

1549
01:26:07,279 --> 01:26:11,520
TV interviews from those six TV stations, every single one,

1550
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:12,039
and I.

1551
01:26:12,039 --> 01:26:14,279
Speaker 8: Will get six different TVs and play them all.

1552
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: Your version of Chelsea.

1553
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 7: Movie.

1554
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,159
Speaker 2: It's just all the different interviews projected at the same time.

1555
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:26,239
Speaker 3: Well, I'm also curious if you know, if her voice

1556
01:26:26,319 --> 01:26:28,520
in the film is a little put on or not.

1557
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 8: You know, well, okay, so he Dan, it's the same, Okay,

1558
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:38,800
Like that's as far as I know. She wasn't an actress, Like, like,

1559
01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:41,239
I don't think she's exactly being a persona.

1560
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1561
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 8: I feel like that's all Pepper right there.

1562
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right, you know, Yeah, I.

1563
01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 8: Think that's just her she was.

1564
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: She's younger than she looks, like, don she's younger than

1565
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,199
she looks in this movie. So it does kind of

1566
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,720
make me wonder is she putting on an affect to

1567
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,520
a peer older or does she just sound like that?

1568
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,199
It's you know, I don't know. Can you imagine if

1569
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:06,680
she went through this massive growth spurt at like twelve

1570
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:10,039
and she sounded like that, so she was twelve. Incredible,

1571
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:13,520
It's entirely possible because she's like nineteen of this or something.

1572
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,920
I forget what, I forget what year she was born now,

1573
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,079
but I was looking we were going over the dates,

1574
01:27:18,079 --> 01:27:20,600
and I was like, this seems young for her, but

1575
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,680
I guess considering Don wasn't that old either, and he

1576
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,880
looks way older. Yeah, I don't know.

1577
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 8: Your book photo was just like half of her head

1578
01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:31,560
cut off because she's so tall.

1579
01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:39,399
Speaker 2: They couldn't they couldn't raise the camera. That's so good.

1580
01:27:40,119 --> 01:27:42,439
I mean, she's Yeah, she's iconic. She is one of

1581
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,359
the few those few actresses that appears in something s

1582
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:49,399
exploitation or sexploitation adjacent who never did nudity, and it's

1583
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,760
just like vava voom here she is. It's like her

1584
01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:57,199
Leslie McCrae and like one other person who's just like wow,

1585
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,880
okay icon Yeah.

1586
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:02,079
Speaker 8: To do anything else, she just had to exist.

1587
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, part of me is like, yeah, she her personality

1588
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,960
would have fit in a Russ Meyer film. But again, yeah,

1589
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,439
I don't know if she would have gotten along with

1590
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,800
Russ's style of filmmaking.

1591
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:18,279
Speaker 2: She wouldn't have, I don't think, because she's dealing with Don,

1592
01:28:18,319 --> 01:28:23,960
who's like obviously not Yeah, he's barely a director. So

1593
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,239
Russ is much more controlling and in charge of his

1594
01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:30,640
style and his technique, and he and he would expect

1595
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,920
her to lift shit and things like that. I don't

1596
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,560
know if I don't know if don expected to do

1597
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,399
any heavy lifting, I don't. I don't think I think

1598
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:38,199
she would have said.

1599
01:28:38,039 --> 01:28:41,079
Speaker 8: Now, I feel like she'd even carry her own bags

1600
01:28:41,119 --> 01:28:43,760
when they when they went down to Florida, all the

1601
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,119
enough folks, this was mostly shot, So the interiors of

1602
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:52,079
this film were shot in Georgia, possibly something in North Carolina.

1603
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,039
Not North just somewhere in Carolina I mean Charlotte, Sorry Charlotte.

1604
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,239
But because of bad weather and for some and he

1605
01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:05,079
knew a lab down in Florida that the folks were like,

1606
01:29:05,279 --> 01:29:07,039
you should come on film down here. At some point

1607
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,359
he packed everyone up and flew them down to Dade

1608
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,800
City to shoot all the exteriors for this film at

1609
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,279
a Christmas Tree ranch.

1610
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,159
Speaker 3: Well, he had connections down in Florida, we know from

1611
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:19,079
Moonshiner's one.

1612
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.

1613
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 8: I just find it wonderfully insane that Shanetown Honeymoon was

1614
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:29,359
half shot at a Christmas Tree ranch in the middle

1615
01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:34,640
of nowhere in Dade City. And that explains where and

1616
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,479
then I guess I explained where some of the fifty

1617
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,720
thousand went sure to skirt them down there. I think

1618
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,159
they were down there for about.

1619
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 11: A week or so.

1620
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,520
Speaker 8: It could not have been more a week. Yeah, this

1621
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,880
was shot a lot longer than I expected. This was

1622
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,840
almost like a month. It started in early February and

1623
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,039
ended in early March.

1624
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:53,079
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1625
01:29:53,279 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Well, he was also dealing with He was working with

1626
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,960
professionals like we have, Like I was doing last minute

1627
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,680
research on AVM Fine, the cinematographer and the editor of this.

1628
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:07,479
That guy was an established professional like he was. He

1629
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,319
was not going to have some fly by night production

1630
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,840
like Moonshiner's a woman. That's why it looks better. That's

1631
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,720
why the camera moves. There's dolly shots and tracking shots.

1632
01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:19,880
So he was an actor and playwright in Miami in

1633
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,640
the fifties, and then he moved to Atlanta in the

1634
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,359
sixties and he started working on industrial films and he

1635
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,199
was successful enough at that that he then relocated to Pittsburgh,

1636
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,800
where his family was, and he had a motion picture

1637
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,399
laboratory there, which was like a production house with all

1638
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:37,239
these studio facilities. But Georgia called him back. He wanted

1639
01:30:37,239 --> 01:30:38,960
to stay in Georgia, so we went back to Georgia.

1640
01:30:39,359 --> 01:30:43,119
He opened an editing facility called the Editing Center, where

1641
01:30:43,159 --> 01:30:46,640
apparently he later helped Francis port Coppola edit Apocalypse Now

1642
01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:49,680
for a sneak previews screen in Atlanta, and he could

1643
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,680
they they worked together editing it as a team, and

1644
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,000
they cut out six minutes for that preview. I don't

1645
01:30:55,039 --> 01:30:56,520
know what that six months was and I don't know

1646
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,359
where it went, but so he and then and I

1647
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,600
think the reason I recognized his name is because he

1648
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:07,000
photographed acts for Frederick Friedel. And I think that was

1649
01:31:07,079 --> 01:31:11,159
because of J. G. Patterson, because Patterson to Patterson connection

1650
01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:14,680
to to Davison makes sense because they knew each other

1651
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,239
and work together. And I think Patterson also worked as

1652
01:31:17,279 --> 01:31:19,760
assistant director on Obscenity Obscenity.

1653
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,399
Speaker 8: So yes, it's possible.

1654
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 2: So it's possible to aver him even shot that. It's

1655
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,880
entirely possible that he was recruited to do that based

1656
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,319
on his editing facility work. And then he edited Kidnap

1657
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,439
co Ed for Friedel. He was replaced as a cinematographer

1658
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,720
by Austin McKinney, And that's why Kidnapped co Ed looks

1659
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,479
better than Axe, because I think he's more of an editor.

1660
01:31:41,079 --> 01:31:45,000
So he I'm shocked, but I thought he was dead

1661
01:31:45,039 --> 01:31:47,880
because he's not interviewed on a Friedel double feature. He

1662
01:31:48,079 --> 01:31:51,239
is still alive. He's ninety one years old, lives in Pennsylvania,

1663
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,239
Alex I put his email address.

1664
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:55,399
Speaker 8: I will say I will be contact with him after

1665
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:56,720
this episode.

1666
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 2: Because as the cinematographer and editor. And then it bounces back,

1667
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:02,680
let me know. I will figure it out, because everything

1668
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,680
I found points to him still being alive, including like

1669
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:11,960
census reports from the most recent census report. So oh wow, Okay, yeah,

1670
01:32:12,359 --> 01:32:14,720
so he's he is alive, he's just ancient.

1671
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,560
Speaker 3: And so if he shot and edited, he shot and

1672
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,279
edited this, he's pretty close to this film.

1673
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he could have also done obsenity, obscenity. We

1674
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,760
don't know because we have no credits, we have no

1675
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,000
press book, we have known nothing. He could have shot

1676
01:32:29,079 --> 01:32:31,000
us the Asylum of the Insane footage. We don't know

1677
01:32:31,079 --> 01:32:31,399
that either.

1678
01:32:32,079 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 8: Okay, Okay, let's it's entirely possible sticking with that, ok Yeah,

1679
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,159
And nobody wants.

1680
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 2: To be responsible for that. But I could see him

1681
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,359
being a tech person finding that an interesting experiment to

1682
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,960
work on and being like, yes, shot, sure, let's try

1683
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:53,359
three D. But he was very active in Atlanta, in

1684
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,760
Atlanta film into like the nineties, and then he became

1685
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,479
a film professor, and then he co wrote a memoir

1686
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,279
of this former army general called Code named Copperhead, which

1687
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,159
is crazy because he did a lot of press for

1688
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:09,520
that book. So yeah, I feel like he's maybe the

1689
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:14,520
missing link to discuss the production aspects of this of

1690
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,399
all of Davison's movies after Moonshiney's Woman, potentially.

1691
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 8: Yeah. I think that's also one of the things that

1692
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,680
attracted me to this film as well. For how silly

1693
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,039
of a movie it is, it looks pretty good for

1694
01:33:25,399 --> 01:33:28,960
like we're gonna expected to It's not russ Meyer, but

1695
01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:32,119
like just hearing about it and hearing us talk about

1696
01:33:32,199 --> 01:33:34,439
so far, you would not expect to be as well lit.

1697
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, and there's very surprising camera movements. It's

1698
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,319
not stationary camera and everything. It also makes good use

1699
01:33:41,399 --> 01:33:45,199
of that space. I think that it makes really good

1700
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,800
use of the location, so it looks. It doesn't look

1701
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,000
as stage bound as it potentially could. It looks. It

1702
01:33:52,119 --> 01:33:53,720
kind of reminds me like Scum of the Earth in

1703
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,199
that way, the Texas movie, the Brownbrig movie, where it's

1704
01:33:56,239 --> 01:33:59,319
all in one location. It's very cramped, but it makes

1705
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:04,680
very good use of that that very tense location. Yeah,

1706
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,439
I forgot it was him who did it until it

1707
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,960
was like, oh, this is my opportunity to research this

1708
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:13,119
guy because I loved his work for Freedom. So and yeah,

1709
01:34:13,159 --> 01:34:17,600
the editing for Kidnapped Coed is really a super incredible.

1710
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,119
Speaker 12: She's pretty and only seventeen, the co ed daughter of

1711
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:24,239
a millionaire. Now she has a date with a kidnapper.

1712
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,760
Kidnapped co Ed an exciting motion picture.

1713
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,319
Speaker 18: You know how much and where to drop the money?

1714
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 7: No cups, no cups, So she's dead.

1715
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,039
Speaker 12: A tale full of twists and turns.

1716
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,399
Speaker 8: Kidnapped co Ed rated? Are you know what?

1717
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 3: Some of the Earth should have been titled Demented death

1718
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:46,640
Farm Massacre.

1719
01:34:47,079 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 2: Isn't that a better title for that film?

1720
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 8: No, it's like I mean, for anything, it's not good

1721
01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:59,039
for any But if you were to, if you had

1722
01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:01,800
to go into your head, and I now put.

1723
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,359
Speaker 2: That some of the art is much more, is much more.

1724
01:35:05,039 --> 01:35:07,600
That's even much more of like an artistic endeavor than

1725
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,119
any title that's ever had would imply I love that

1726
01:35:11,239 --> 01:35:14,439
movie to death. But Dementa death bar Massacre sounds like

1727
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:18,600
something that like a film student who wants to make

1728
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:22,079
some something cheap to get into the Troma door would

1729
01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:25,199
make even fron Olin Ray at that point wasn't making

1730
01:35:25,279 --> 01:35:27,680
movies with those titles anymore. He was making better stuff.

1731
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 11: I think a Land of Child Bryan's and Shotgun Weddings

1732
01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:36,479
comes Shatty Town, Honeymoon, You'll beat hart On Creepan's the

1733
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,640
Moonshiner who hid behind a good book and broke every

1734
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,760
rule in it. And they meet Ribasu, the child Bride

1735
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,079
who knew every steam heats Chatty in the Valley.

1736
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna be one of your bibles spout in days.

1737
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, we should. We should probably get into the release

1738
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:50,960
history of this movie.

1739
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm dying to know more about this because I'm just.

1740
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:58,199
Speaker 8: Like, what the hell because it's so weird. Okay, yeah,

1741
01:35:58,239 --> 01:35:58,840
so yeah.

1742
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,319
Speaker 3: When we were putting together the show notes, I was like, Okay,

1743
01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:06,640
there are so many titles and this is just so complex.

1744
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,920
We need like a to B and Alex is like,

1745
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:14,239
keep scrolling. It's at the bottom. Now, I got him,

1746
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,000
I got it, I got it all right, So walk

1747
01:36:18,119 --> 01:36:18,560
us through this.

1748
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:19,079
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1749
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,560
Speaker 8: Yeah. So it comes out July of nineteen seventy two

1750
01:36:24,079 --> 01:36:28,319
and plays for around two years as Shannytown Honeymoon. I'm

1751
01:36:28,359 --> 01:36:32,279
not really about to believe these numbers. Supposedly, like there

1752
01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:34,159
were a bunch of ads for us in box Office,

1753
01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:37,800
one of them saying in one hundred and twelve theaters total,

1754
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:42,760
it made three hundred and eighty four thousand dollars. In

1755
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,800
one hundred and fourteen theaters, it made half a million.

1756
01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:49,800
Now this again, because Don had his stuff all over

1757
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,680
the sticks, there's probably a lot more bookings than newspaper

1758
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:54,560
dot com.

1759
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 2: Has of this. Possibly that is true, that's the one.

1760
01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:02,239
Speaker 8: That's the one thing, because I found nowhere it played.

1761
01:37:02,279 --> 01:37:05,199
It was playing consistently throughout those years, But I found

1762
01:37:05,279 --> 01:37:08,760
nowhere near a hundred theaters playing this thing.

1763
01:37:09,359 --> 01:37:10,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

1764
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,520
Speaker 8: Still want to take into account that he was all

1765
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:18,720
over the boondocks with his product, with his product, so

1766
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,880
I probably like it probably made money. We'll never know though,

1767
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,800
how much it actually how much it did make. So

1768
01:37:27,159 --> 01:37:31,960
it plays around for two years there seemingly does Okay,

1769
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,800
still want to know what the response to this thing was.

1770
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,640
It has a long ass trailer, has a five minute

1771
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:43,760
long trailer allive outtakes with some with some copy stolen

1772
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:47,479
from russ Meyer as well in it what copy? Oh,

1773
01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:51,359
there's some common lock cabin in there, a lush cushion

1774
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:56,359
of evil perched upon the throne of immorality, so on

1775
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:57,079
and so forth.

1776
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 3: That's funny that you mentioned that, because on the Twist

1777
01:38:00,079 --> 01:38:04,680
did Sex compilation, I think that Mike had put good

1778
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:09,319
morning in goodbye right before the trailer or right before

1779
01:38:09,359 --> 01:38:13,159
the trailer for not Chantytown Honeymoon, but the trailer for

1780
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,560
its retitle Hillbilly Hooker.

1781
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:19,159
Speaker 8: I may see if I have the trailer, because that

1782
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,560
that got that that's a five minute trailer, and they

1783
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,520
just that's just the constant narration.

1784
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 2: Well then footage.

1785
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 3: It sounds like there's extra pepper outtakes.

1786
01:38:28,279 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 8: Well it's not. It's like all the it's all the footage.

1787
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,760
It's like it's all the shots that we see. It's

1788
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,239
just like like heads and tails of certain of certain yeah,

1789
01:38:37,319 --> 01:38:39,760
like an alternative take of the same setup, or like

1790
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,520
obviously the head and tail of a shot, like you

1791
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,279
can see the actors kind of frozen there, as if

1792
01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:49,960
they're waiting someone to say action, okay, yeah in some

1793
01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:55,479
of those moments. Genius genius of course, not too being footage.

1794
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,560
As again, folks, this this film does not have any opticles.

1795
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,479
It has no like transitions. The transitions are just spinning

1796
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,600
the camera round super fast for like a split second

1797
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,399
to show the passage of time.

1798
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:08,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

1799
01:39:08,359 --> 01:39:11,279
Speaker 8: And the titles and the titles are written on a

1800
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,079
wooden fence, so very fitting, very fitting.

1801
01:39:15,239 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 2: Again, Oh we you know we love that, right, Casey, Yeah,

1802
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,920
well of course. But also that reminds me that it's

1803
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,560
a very good idea. Then that Avram came from a

1804
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,640
strong editing background because he could just edit everything in

1805
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,520
camera as the cinematographer and camera operator, so he was

1806
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,520
he was shooting this thinking like an editor. So that's

1807
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,119
a very smart move on Davids's part. He's like, you

1808
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,920
know what, this guy knows what he's doing, okay, and

1809
01:39:38,039 --> 01:39:41,079
he'll he'll make sure that this works out much easier

1810
01:39:41,159 --> 01:39:44,239
than the you know, the whoever whoever and whatever the

1811
01:39:44,319 --> 01:39:46,199
fuck happened with Moonshiner's a Woman.

1812
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, Moon Woman all Dawn and Lee Jones they like

1813
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,239
too guys making that movie. Can you imagine if they

1814
01:39:55,279 --> 01:39:56,439
shot this like.

1815
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Just I mean Moonshiner's Woman.

1816
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 3: You can clearly see the editing down probably in the

1817
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,199
editing booths, just like with Scraps all over him pulling

1818
01:40:06,279 --> 01:40:08,960
this from here and this from here. This film doesn't

1819
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:15,920
feel like that. This film has it's structured like were going, yeah, yeah,

1820
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,479
that thing was edited with the chance, I swear.

1821
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:24,199
Speaker 8: So, So of course he pulls out all the stops

1822
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:29,520
as a spook showman does as multiple one sheet styles.

1823
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:35,880
For part of its opening, he had women in little

1824
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:41,920
Daisy Mace other bell gal type outfits wielding moonshine jugs

1825
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:47,479
walking around the streets of Atlanta handing out haralds, which

1826
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,880
the heralds are fantastic because it is all just like

1827
01:40:51,359 --> 01:40:55,600
old man Mary's this child bride at fourteen blah blah

1828
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,960
blah blah. It still happens to this day, folks.

1829
01:41:00,319 --> 01:41:02,159
Speaker 2: They don't mention her age in the movie, do they?

1830
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:08,199
Speaker 8: Oh no, but the campaign was really yeah I did.

1831
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 2: I did want to note that, unlike Harry Novac, the

1832
01:41:12,079 --> 01:41:15,359
R rating on this film is official. It is an

1833
01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:19,720
official NPA rating submitted by Cratic Films. So Gordon Cratick

1834
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,279
of cratick In I think he was the major main

1835
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:26,279
distributor for this. He actually submitted this to the NPAA

1836
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:29,199
and paid and they rated it officially. Are I just

1837
01:41:29,279 --> 01:41:32,199
checked the NPA website, happy to confirm.

1838
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 8: Official R rating, our rating ontouch every other campaign. I'm sure, yep,

1839
01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:45,319
exactly exactly. So, yeah, it plays for two years as

1840
01:41:45,399 --> 01:41:49,000
Shane Town Honeymoon, and then once he's done covering all

1841
01:41:49,039 --> 01:41:55,359
his territories under that title, he officially because I think

1842
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:59,600
based on the pro so, he retitles it Hillbilly Hooker Crazy.

1843
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:04,239
Was she too old at fourteen? The unpublishable novel is

1844
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:05,199
now a movie?

1845
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,399
Speaker 2: The unpublishable novel is now a movie.

1846
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 8: The Hillbilly Hooker, The Hillbilly Hooker?

1847
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 2: Was she too old at fourteen? The Hillbilly Hooker? She

1848
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,319
may have been poor, white trash, but fancy was her name.

1849
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,279
The Hillbilly Hooker is coming.

1850
01:42:24,199 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 9: For you, Hillbilly Hooker in color admission restricted.

1851
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 16: Come on, haven't see me.

1852
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes, so they're referencing back to this novel that doesn't exist.

1853
01:42:40,199 --> 01:42:43,279
Or are they referencing the Happy Hooker novel? That's what

1854
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:44,399
I was confused about it.

1855
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a reference. I'm sure it's a reference

1856
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:49,159
to The Happy Hooker. And it's also because it's after

1857
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:51,560
Happy Hooker, and also seventy four is the year that

1858
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:55,640
The Happy Hooker came out. The one with Lynna Redgrave. Also,

1859
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:59,960
he'll by Hooker was after and it wasn't distributed through him.

1860
01:43:00,319 --> 01:43:03,359
Hillbilla Hooker was distributed through Film Film Ventures, who he

1861
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,199
was working with at the time. So it's like he

1862
01:43:05,239 --> 01:43:08,640
brought this movie over to his new employer and they're

1863
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:09,600
the ones who put that out.

1864
01:43:10,279 --> 01:43:10,520
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1865
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they didn't have the exclusive rights to

1866
01:43:13,359 --> 01:43:17,159
it because then he reissued it, which was not Film Ventures.

1867
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, So what happened is I'm pretty sure this

1868
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:24,800
is this is the retitle that only this film got

1869
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:28,600
a There's a trailer which is just Shantown honeymoon footage.

1870
01:43:29,039 --> 01:43:33,439
The press book is just people from Shanningtown in it.

1871
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,359
And also yeah, I mean at least at one point

1872
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,560
it was I think Lion Dog because it's xed out,

1873
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,680
but liond Dog's in the press book.

1874
01:43:42,359 --> 01:43:45,079
Speaker 2: Oh, interesting as well. And I wonder what year that

1875
01:43:45,359 --> 01:43:49,159
is then, because I heard seventy four, because I think,

1876
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,399
because I think I have a box office, I need

1877
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:56,600
to find it now that assigns FBI to Hillbilly Hooker,

1878
01:43:57,039 --> 01:43:59,479
And I don't know, but you know what, that could

1879
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,079
be a later thing. It could be. Yeah, it's possible.

1880
01:44:03,159 --> 01:44:06,039
Speaker 8: That's confusing also, while else I mean, I mean, hey,

1881
01:44:06,079 --> 01:44:08,680
if these were always all printed up normally, they just

1882
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,800
put a sticker over if there was a new company anyway,

1883
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:14,680
that is that is like I say, that's that one's

1884
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:15,159
xed out.

1885
01:44:16,199 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 2: So and my little Horehouse press book has no not distributor.

1886
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:22,279
Speaker 8: Oh yeah it has, it has no It has the

1887
01:44:22,359 --> 01:44:28,439
same as Moonshiner's Woman, worldwide films, the very innocuous.

1888
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, it does say worldwide films.

1889
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:36,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, it has the very worldwide films. And yeah, so

1890
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:40,439
it plays for ound two more years as hill Billy

1891
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:45,079
Hooker plays a lot. Again, unlike Shanningtown, we don't they

1892
01:44:45,079 --> 01:44:47,199
didn't take out zillion ads saying how much it did,

1893
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,239
so I don't even have any hyperbolic numbers for that one.

1894
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:55,439
But then into the mid to late seventies is when

1895
01:44:56,119 --> 01:45:01,199
Don brought back his good old con where he would

1896
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:05,640
create a stock campaign of a fictitious film and then

1897
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:10,039
splice the title of that fictitious film onto films of

1898
01:45:10,199 --> 01:45:15,039
the same genre. So for teen sex comedies he had

1899
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,199
Animal High, which I guess he'd put into like a

1900
01:45:18,279 --> 01:45:21,560
crown print or something like that. The trailer is apparently

1901
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,199
just him with like two sexy gals and going like

1902
01:45:24,319 --> 01:45:27,439
animal high. It's this, it's that, blah blah blah blah blah.

1903
01:45:28,119 --> 01:45:28,720
It's funny.

1904
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm impressing he spend any money on that, because he

1905
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:34,159
had to spend money to make.

1906
01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:43,239
Speaker 8: That trailer, you know, right, shocking shot. So for Southern films,

1907
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:48,760
he we have Little Whorehouse on the Prairie, which which likely,

1908
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,239
of course, because he'd have the most prints for Shannetown,

1909
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:55,079
like he probably played the most as Shanetown. But a

1910
01:45:55,199 --> 01:46:00,680
newspaper pointed out that at least what if Prince was

1911
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,760
hot summer in Barefoot.

1912
01:46:02,319 --> 01:46:06,199
Speaker 2: County, right, and then still a movie?

1913
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, So just take a print, splice

1914
01:46:09,359 --> 01:46:12,159
in this title. If it's a exploitation film, call it

1915
01:46:12,199 --> 01:46:16,079
Little Hohorehouse. It's so crazy, and then I assume. But

1916
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:18,520
I don't have a press book or anything. Honey Bridges

1917
01:46:19,079 --> 01:46:21,800
was another one of these, because it has it has

1918
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,840
nothing to do with this film. Why does she sell love?

1919
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,000
Did you ever wonder what it would be like to

1920
01:46:28,199 --> 01:46:31,720
try everything? And it's a little skimpy gal on a

1921
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:38,760
bike for that, And so those campaigns for this film

1922
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,640
were utilized Honey Bridges was the first one after Shannytown.

1923
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,640
I found that plane from nineteen seventy eight to nineteen

1924
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:50,119
eighty one, and a Little Whorehouse on the Prairie popped

1925
01:46:50,199 --> 01:46:52,279
up in nineteen eighty. I only found it for about

1926
01:46:52,279 --> 01:46:55,920
a year, probably played on advertised maybe a bit later,

1927
01:46:56,159 --> 01:46:58,239
so as they had a shelf life of about ten years,

1928
01:46:58,720 --> 01:46:59,079
I can.

1929
01:46:59,039 --> 01:47:01,560
Speaker 2: Sing out on the market how that happened. I mean

1930
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:02,239
it's color.

1931
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 3: It does feel in a way sort of timeless with

1932
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,319
the southern angle, wouldn't.

1933
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:12,039
Speaker 2: You say, like you sort of yeah, play this throughout.

1934
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:16,319
Speaker 3: The seventies and people wouldn't really know its original date.

1935
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:20,199
Speaker 2: It woulds you'd be surprised at how certain hairstyles in

1936
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:25,640
the South stayed the same for decades. So you would

1937
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,359
see a woman like Pepper Hirkthurst and with giant hair

1938
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,399
in nineteen eighty Yeah, that would not be uncommon. Yeah.

1939
01:47:33,279 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 8: But I can also just imagine that just just the

1940
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,720
teenage boys listening to the radio spot for Little Horror

1941
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,039
House on the Prairie. It's got jiggles and wiggles you've

1942
01:47:43,239 --> 01:47:46,640
never seen, and then they go in and it's that

1943
01:47:47,039 --> 01:47:49,199
which only has the tiniest flash of nudity.

1944
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I would hope that those those horny teens would be

1945
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,960
bringing dates to get to get active within the back seat.

1946
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 8: And just yet, I hope they were not looking at

1947
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:57,359
the screen.

1948
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 2: I really they weren't. But yeah, if it was some

1949
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,479
poor sucker who was like, you know what, I don't

1950
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:04,760
have a date, I just want to see this movie,

1951
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,960
it's like, oh, I've seen this twice under two different titles.

1952
01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:12,800
And he's also not just the Orson Welles of the Sexpotation, Expectation,

1953
01:48:13,079 --> 01:48:17,840
the Sam Sherman of the South just retitle redistribute new

1954
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,960
ad campaign. He's just He's just Sam Sherman, but with

1955
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:26,600
almost usually worst movies than the al Adams.

1956
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 8: And then, as far as we know, Sam Sherman didn't

1957
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,359
also steal prints and splice.

1958
01:48:32,039 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 2: Them row a little recipe Sam, But yeah, he was

1959
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,439
at least a little more above board, right exactly.

1960
01:48:40,239 --> 01:48:43,319
Speaker 8: Don never made a teen sex comedy, so Animal High

1961
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:48,640
was all stolen exactly. That's crazy exactly. So I've always

1962
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,399
wondered if there's other fictitious films out there that we

1963
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,920
haven't just attributed to down yet from.

1964
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 2: This, it's possible. But then I also wonder if, like

1965
01:48:57,159 --> 01:49:00,159
what if That's something I wish I'd ask Don what

1966
01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:03,960
if he just was selling an ad campaign and it

1967
01:49:04,079 --> 01:49:06,079
was no, because that wouldn't make sense. I was thinking,

1968
01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:07,600
what if he was just selling an ad campaign to

1969
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,399
these to these theaters or to a local distributor, and

1970
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:12,840
they would just say they're showing this movie and then

1971
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:15,039
just show some print that they already had, so they're

1972
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:17,199
they're not spending any money on getting a print or

1973
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:19,640
anything like that. They're just paying for the campaign to

1974
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,800
make people think that it's new, so it's keeping them

1975
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:26,279
in business. But that seems so extra complicated and just

1976
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,239
sending a print that you already have of god knows what. Yeah,

1977
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:31,760
I don't know. Interesting.

1978
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,239
Speaker 8: I think he found a print. He found chief like

1979
01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:39,079
he found there was depots somewhere. He was sneaking into

1980
01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:42,800
the middle of the night, grabbing things. Over a decade later,

1981
01:49:43,279 --> 01:49:45,279
it's still kicking around.

1982
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 2: Seventy one, yeah, and then to eighty one, right, Yeah.

1983
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:52,239
Speaker 8: And that's when the kind of died theatrical kind of

1984
01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:56,760
died out or dawn the con was, Yeah, the con

1985
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,399
was kind of up that by that point, or was

1986
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:01,439
it well.

1987
01:50:01,399 --> 01:50:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, for him, right, it was it was up to

1988
01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:09,359
the artists in the video, right, I'm just saying that,

1989
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:10,359
Like that's when.

1990
01:50:10,319 --> 01:50:13,600
Speaker 8: Like Don's film career kind of just petered out, Like

1991
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:17,479
he left film ventures in seventy seven. These were, yeah,

1992
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,560
these little guys kind of his last gasp. And then well,

1993
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:21,159
let me ask you.

1994
01:50:21,239 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 2: So Lisa was like phone buddies with him. How was

1995
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:27,439
he doing? Like financially was he doing?

1996
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:27,600
Speaker 10: All?

1997
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 3: Right?

1998
01:50:28,079 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: Do you know what?

1999
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:29,279
Speaker 11: I know?

2000
01:50:29,359 --> 01:50:32,039
Speaker 8: I didn't ask her this, but other people like have

2001
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:35,159
said that he was not doing the best financially.

2002
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 7: Right, he.

2003
01:50:38,279 --> 01:50:42,079
Speaker 8: Was like, yeah, he was a drinker. Like by the time, yeah,

2004
01:50:42,279 --> 01:50:44,359
Mike and Lisa found him, all he was really doing

2005
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,399
was sitting back with his birds and calling up his

2006
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:52,880
old cronies from the good old days, sure and stuff,

2007
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:57,640
living amongst the vestiges of his Spook Show theatrical era

2008
01:50:58,199 --> 01:51:01,319
very much. I think is his last big sale was

2009
01:51:02,359 --> 01:51:06,720
selling this film to fred Olin Ray for five thousand dollars. Yeah,

2010
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,119
Ray said he bought her five thousand dollars. So what

2011
01:51:09,279 --> 01:51:13,319
happened was he saw one reel of this movie. He

2012
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:17,359
was shown one reel of a faded print and sit, yeah,

2013
01:51:17,399 --> 01:51:20,079
and he knew it. This was this film called Shanetown Honeymoon,

2014
01:51:20,319 --> 01:51:23,279
and he bought it for five k, the rights the

2015
01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:30,119
negative all that. He titles it death Farm, and everyone

2016
01:51:30,319 --> 01:51:32,920
is pretty much laughing him out of their offices. They

2017
01:51:33,039 --> 01:51:36,399
cannot believe that he did this. I still can't believe

2018
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,479
that he did this, but I get. I mean, it

2019
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,239
saved the negative from going like it's like it kept

2020
01:51:42,279 --> 01:51:46,840
it circulating. Don must have been cackling after he signed that,

2021
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:51,720
after he signed that deal. One final sucker, one final sucker.

2022
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,199
So yeah, yeah, so no one is so no one's

2023
01:51:55,239 --> 01:51:59,720
interested in this thing called death Farm until a one

2024
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,920
distributor goes, well, if you like, put footage of John

2025
01:52:04,039 --> 01:52:06,279
Carrot it or something like, you just put something in it,

2026
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,000
I'll be willing to buy it. Like, just give us

2027
01:52:09,039 --> 01:52:14,319
something that isn't just this. So he rents Don Carroting

2028
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:18,159
for a weekend and uses him throughout that weekend for

2029
01:52:18,359 --> 01:52:22,079
multiple projects. Kroding shows up in a bunch of other

2030
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:28,079
Fred Allen Ray stuff like Evil Spawn JACKO. He rented

2031
01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:33,159
carrotying Jacker for five hundred for the whole week, so

2032
01:52:34,359 --> 01:52:35,479
use him as much as he could.

2033
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:38,520
Speaker 2: And I think he's in like bushes just talking. In

2034
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:43,760
half of these two. He's just yes, like it's really horrible.

2035
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think only like in Evil Spawn, he's in

2036
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:50,039
a spaceship talking to someone else and it's somewhat relevant

2037
01:52:50,079 --> 01:52:53,319
to the movie. So so fred is looking at this

2038
01:52:53,399 --> 01:52:55,479
and he goes, well, there's this Preacher guy who pops

2039
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:59,319
up spouting crap. Why don't I just, you know, kind

2040
01:52:59,319 --> 01:53:02,800
of do that instead have John being the Judge of

2041
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,199
Hell reading off Q cards, which you can hear them

2042
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:09,560
swishing if you listen really closely, you can hear the

2043
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:14,520
queue cards being changed narrating this film. And then he

2044
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:18,560
manages to sell it to Trauma. It ends up being

2045
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,439
called Demented Death Fire Massacre. This is all finished on

2046
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:26,079
video and he sells it to Trauma for more than

2047
01:53:26,119 --> 01:53:29,640
five thousand dollars I can tell you that much. And

2048
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:33,960
so it has a So it's life extends on video

2049
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:38,960
and it goes all over Germany, the Netherlands, the UK.

2050
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 2: You can stream it on Trauma now right now, right now,

2051
01:53:43,119 --> 01:53:43,600
or to be.

2052
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:48,159
Speaker 8: Yeah Truma now, or to be It's It's it's still

2053
01:53:48,279 --> 01:53:51,560
kicking around because fred ol and Ray bought it, folks,

2054
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:53,600
And that's where we are with this movie.

2055
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:56,199
Speaker 2: Well, then how does something, how get something, we'reird to

2056
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:56,680
play it out.

2057
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:57,119
Speaker 8: They just.

2058
01:54:00,199 --> 01:54:01,560
Speaker 2: Trum and Truma didn't give a shit.

2059
01:54:02,079 --> 01:54:06,560
Speaker 8: All I'm saying is Trauma does own this movie interest.

2060
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:10,000
They could pop up with paperwork from it. They have everything. Well,

2061
01:54:10,119 --> 01:54:11,720
they did have the negative. I don't know if they

2062
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:14,760
still do. I that's unfortunately gone.

2063
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 2: I feel like they bought this version because by that

2064
01:54:18,079 --> 01:54:22,560
chronology constantly, he says Continent. Fran says Continental Video paid

2065
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:26,000
him fifteen K if you put John Cardy in it.

2066
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,880
So he put John Keardy in a Continental Video. Got

2067
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:33,000
it possible? Continental sold it to Trauma and just that version.

2068
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:36,359
Speaker 8: No casey. I had someone go to that Trauma look

2069
01:54:36,399 --> 01:54:37,119
at the negative.

2070
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:38,159
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.

2071
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:39,319
Speaker 8: It was there.

2072
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:42,479
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but it doesn't mean Continental could have

2073
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:44,840
sold it to them, That's what I mean. Yeah, but

2074
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:49,000
because of paid that money, then Continental got it that.

2075
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 8: It was told that Continental said they would buy it.

2076
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,880
But I don't know if they actually ended up buying it.

2077
01:54:55,319 --> 01:54:56,479
Who said do something with it?

2078
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,119
Speaker 2: Who said they didn't pay him the fifteen K?

2079
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, no know, so they they said we'll give you

2080
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:04,159
fifteen cave you do something.

2081
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,359
Speaker 2: Oh so maybe he got from Trauma. Then once we

2082
01:55:07,479 --> 01:55:10,159
did this. Okay, yeah, that makes so okay.

2083
01:55:10,199 --> 01:55:13,159
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what inspired him to

2084
01:55:13,319 --> 01:55:16,840
add Fred to add John Carroting to this and it

2085
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:18,439
and such.

2086
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 2: So Trauma had the negative to both dement to death

2087
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:26,199
Farm massacre was finished on video, so they had the.

2088
01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:30,840
Speaker 8: Yeah so yeah, so Fred transfer the nag, but you

2089
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:34,439
still had as Shanetown honeymoon. So when he sold it,

2090
01:55:35,039 --> 01:55:37,680
holy he gave them every gave him ething.

2091
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, that's too bad.

2092
01:55:40,199 --> 01:55:44,399
Speaker 8: It saved it lost somewhere, but it is not well

2093
01:55:44,479 --> 01:55:46,640
taken care of under their hands.

2094
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:50,119
Speaker 3: Well, you said you had someone look at the negative,

2095
01:55:50,479 --> 01:55:53,039
so it is an archive somewhere.

2096
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 8: No, it was in Truma's basement, right, No, that person.

2097
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:00,039
Speaker 2: I'm sure we know who that person is because that

2098
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:02,279
person then me deals with Trauma to do blue rays

2099
01:56:02,319 --> 01:56:02,760
of their work.

2100
01:56:03,159 --> 01:56:04,239
Speaker 9: So I have.

2101
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 8: Yes, you happened to look at the negative to see

2102
01:56:09,079 --> 01:56:11,680
that was doing and you can't even make out the

2103
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:15,680
image on that damn thing. Oh that's too bad, which

2104
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:21,159
really sucks because years before and so I knew they

2105
01:56:21,239 --> 01:56:24,159
had the negative. So I'm like, okay, great, the negative

2106
01:56:24,199 --> 01:56:29,760
is there two reels of a Hillbilly hooker print to

2107
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:34,880
show up on eBay with fantastic color, great freaking condition,

2108
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:39,359
Like could have grabbed them, but I'm like, well, the

2109
01:56:39,439 --> 01:56:42,039
negative exists, Like there's no reason to own these reels

2110
01:56:42,399 --> 01:56:44,920
because the negatives is around. I don't want to like

2111
01:56:45,079 --> 01:56:47,520
just carry film around, so I passed up on it.

2112
01:56:48,439 --> 01:56:50,399
Then a couple of years later, someone goes and takes

2113
01:56:50,399 --> 01:56:53,479
a look and it's like, yeah, this is disintegrated. And

2114
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:56,319
that's the number one thing. That's the biggest thing I

2115
01:56:56,399 --> 01:56:59,399
still kick myself to this day is not grabbing at

2116
01:56:59,479 --> 01:57:03,479
least half movie. How much for the do you remember

2117
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:06,960
under one hundred dollars? Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah.

2118
01:57:07,479 --> 01:57:09,880
Speaker 3: That's a good reminder though. That's a good reminder for

2119
01:57:10,039 --> 01:57:12,439
me as well, because I always have that mindset too,

2120
01:57:12,439 --> 01:57:16,399
where it's like a print is just such. It's not

2121
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:20,119
always a last case scenario in terms of a lot

2122
01:57:20,199 --> 01:57:22,199
of these movies that you know, if we want to

2123
01:57:22,279 --> 01:57:24,920
get a good scan of them, you know, we're always thinking,

2124
01:57:25,039 --> 01:57:26,760
go to the negative, go to the negative, you know,

2125
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:30,600
because of OCN, and you know, that's like the gold standard,

2126
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:32,439
and sure it is a lot of the times, but

2127
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,880
a lot of times it's not. When all we have

2128
01:57:35,039 --> 01:57:38,880
left is like a faded, deteriorating negative. Sometimes a print

2129
01:57:39,079 --> 01:57:41,840
is better. Yes, I'm just talking to myself here.

2130
01:57:42,119 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 2: Well, also in cases like Amazing Transplant, the only way

2131
01:57:46,039 --> 01:57:47,800
to get a complete version of that is to find

2132
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,159
a print from a print. So you want a print

2133
01:57:50,199 --> 01:57:51,960
of that because then you have a full version of

2134
01:57:52,039 --> 01:57:56,199
the movie. Yeah, Prince Prince shouldn't be poop pood necessarily. Yeah,

2135
01:57:56,279 --> 01:57:57,920
Like people say like, well, it's just a print. What's

2136
01:57:57,960 --> 01:57:59,640
the point I can't project her? And then it does like,

2137
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:03,079
well you would You just don't know. You don't know.

2138
01:58:03,359 --> 01:58:05,399
I think it's always worth it, especially if it's something

2139
01:58:05,439 --> 01:58:08,720
you like and the price is good. I mean, yeah,

2140
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:12,000
storage the situation always sucks, but at least that way

2141
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:13,840
you can kind of take a look at it and

2142
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:15,960
you didn't spend that much money. But I get it

2143
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:21,279
because then you have to really pick and choose. It's tough, tough, yeah, exactly.

2144
01:58:21,359 --> 01:58:24,279
I'm like, I don't have good conditions to hold film elements.

2145
01:58:24,319 --> 01:58:25,920
What am I doing? I know, Like I know what

2146
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:28,840
I'm saying. I don't have a c What am I exactly?

2147
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm like, what am I going to do

2148
01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:32,239
with this thing? No?

2149
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:35,159
Speaker 2: I know, I gotta I Gotta move Mine to the basement.

2150
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:38,359
The only the only other movie that I know that

2151
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,399
that Well, it's funny because a lot of that trauma

2152
01:58:40,439 --> 01:58:41,880
stuff has come out on Blu ray and they've been

2153
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:43,800
restoring and stuff. One of the big ones they haven't

2154
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:46,239
done A Sweet Savior, and I'm terrified that that's the

2155
01:58:46,319 --> 01:58:49,399
same situation is either they don't have a negative or

2156
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:52,439
the negative is toast like that should have been out already,

2157
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:54,680
Like that's that's a that's one of the big trauma

2158
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:59,600
ones that I'm shocked hasn't been reissued. But yeah, always

2159
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:03,000
tell in that, Yeah she is. She has really good

2160
01:59:03,039 --> 01:59:05,960
stories about shooting that movie with Troy Donahue and that

2161
01:59:06,079 --> 01:59:07,880
the director walked off a set and Troy ended up

2162
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,159
having to direct half of it and he was real

2163
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:11,960
high off his ass. So that's why it's kind of

2164
01:59:12,039 --> 01:59:15,039
messy in some of the places. Yeah, weird movie.

2165
01:59:15,079 --> 01:59:17,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, I love it. Yeah anyway, Oh yeah, you were,

2166
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:19,680
you were, you were putting Yeah, you put in the doc.

2167
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:23,479
If there's what the differences are Death Farm folks, you

2168
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:27,000
should try and see the Honey Bridges version. It's really rough,

2169
01:59:27,239 --> 01:59:30,520
of course, like it is. The print has seen how

2170
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:35,520
many projectors, but not a lots of missing from Death Farm.

2171
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,119
The judge, I mean, the preacher man is gone from it.

2172
01:59:39,399 --> 01:59:41,560
He was kind of a fun addition. He's neither here

2173
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:45,920
nor there in the original movie. Right, there's a couple,

2174
01:59:46,119 --> 01:59:48,359
there's a couple other things that have been snipped or

2175
01:59:48,439 --> 01:59:51,880
things like that. My favorite line of Pepper's boys, you

2176
01:59:52,039 --> 01:59:54,640
mustn't want to get married off lay bad.

2177
01:59:57,119 --> 01:59:58,720
Speaker 2: Oh man, Oh lord.

2178
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:00,439
Speaker 8: Okay, she looks Harlan.

2179
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:01,039
Speaker 16: Oh god.

2180
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:06,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, and some different music is added that that when

2181
02:00:06,319 --> 02:00:08,399
I also when I when I was rewatching this last night,

2182
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:10,880
of course, there is a double on tendre yo yo

2183
02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:16,159
song over the credits of this movie. All right, yeah,

2184
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,600
in which version, uh, honey briches.

2185
02:00:20,079 --> 02:00:23,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the because I rew when I rewatched it,

2186
02:00:23,279 --> 02:00:25,079
I was like, okay, well, the first time I watched

2187
02:00:26,319 --> 02:00:29,680
the something Weird video version, Honey bridges, so I gotta

2188
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:33,039
at least watch the John Carrodine demented Death Farm.

2189
02:00:33,399 --> 02:00:37,720
Speaker 2: And that opening music that they spliced in sucks. It's terrible.

2190
02:00:38,279 --> 02:00:40,560
Speaker 8: Yeah. And then through the woods when they're walking through

2191
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:44,640
the woods, they put in that really awful suspense music. Yeah,

2192
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,680
And the end of the suspense scene is just Ashley

2193
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:49,439
Brooke putting clothes on the line.

2194
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:54,039
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I haven't watched that person in literally years. Yeah,

2195
02:00:54,119 --> 02:00:55,119
I pretend.

2196
02:00:56,479 --> 02:00:57,319
Speaker 8: What did you say, Gentry?

2197
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 3: I was saying that there's not enough billy music in

2198
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,039
this movie for me. I kind of wanted a little

2199
02:01:03,079 --> 02:01:03,439
bit more.

2200
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:11,239
Speaker 8: There's music for both credits, opening ending them walking chase sequence,

2201
02:01:11,359 --> 02:01:13,920
and the chase scene, and that's it. It's not a

2202
02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:17,800
very music heavy movie. Yeah, it's It just has those

2203
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:21,560
birds chirping constantly in the background when they're outside, and

2204
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,079
that's about it. Yeah.

2205
02:01:23,159 --> 02:01:25,239
Speaker 3: The soundtrack doesn't have like, it doesn't have like a

2206
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:29,239
you know, like a common law wife, your Jenny wife

2207
02:01:29,319 --> 02:01:32,800
child like. It doesn't have that kind of soundtrack, which

2208
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:33,680
I kind of wish it.

2209
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:37,119
Speaker 8: It doesn't have like a sweaty harmonica in the background

2210
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:40,039
while she's when she's trying to like seduce Harlem and

2211
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:40,640
things like that.

2212
02:01:41,359 --> 02:01:43,880
Speaker 3: So what's Casey's rating on this? What are you going

2213
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:45,960
to rate this as you rewatched it, Casey?

2214
02:01:46,119 --> 02:01:52,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll find out, won't We stay into

2215
02:01:52,479 --> 02:01:53,119
my letterbox?

2216
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:54,199
Speaker 3: All right?

2217
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:27,119
Speaker 2: All right?

2218
02:02:27,399 --> 02:02:34,079
Speaker 3: So I put together a wide ranging list of Southern

2219
02:02:34,199 --> 02:02:39,199
fried sexploitation films and let's talk about them.

2220
02:02:39,239 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 2: What's our favorite? We had a little bit of internal.

2221
02:02:42,439 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 3: Debate on what we call a what we define as

2222
02:02:46,039 --> 02:02:50,279
a Southern sexploitation film. So I'll let you guys just

2223
02:02:50,399 --> 02:02:53,439
be your own judge and jury for how you want

2224
02:02:53,479 --> 02:02:56,800
to define this these terms. But I know, Casey, you're saying,

2225
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:59,199
what you know, like anything Western flavored is kind of

2226
02:02:59,319 --> 02:03:03,520
out for you, which I agree with. Now, Yeah, but

2227
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:06,079
you know we're talking, yeah, like common law common Law

2228
02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:10,560
Wife is sixty one kind of kicks off this genre

2229
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:11,600
a bit, right.

2230
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,640
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you can think of that's earlier

2231
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:16,479
than Common Law Wife that would fit this bill? Not really?

2232
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:19,319
A Girl with an Itch is fifty eight?

2233
02:03:19,399 --> 02:03:23,039
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Girl with an Itch. I'll start with favorites.

2234
02:03:23,159 --> 02:03:26,239
I'm looking at my list here. Well, you know how

2235
02:03:26,319 --> 02:03:28,800
much we like the Buccaloos, So I'm not going to

2236
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:33,680
mention any Buccaloos. But you know, I mentioned earlier the

2237
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,479
great music that's in Jenny Wife Child, and that has

2238
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:41,880
a really great release from film Masters that people should

2239
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:43,720
pick up. So I'm going to give a shout out

2240
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:47,920
to Jenny Wife Child. Despite the problematic title that might

2241
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:48,960
scare people away.

2242
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:52,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, it has nothing to do with it really from.

2243
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,199
Speaker 2: That Well, the original title was Alt Pecking Pause Revenge,

2244
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:59,680
and that's the soundtrack LP is under that title. Yeah,

2245
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:02,319
that LP is great. Yeah, yep.

2246
02:04:02,399 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 3: So Jenny Wife Child would be my pick if I'm

2247
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:07,560
like making a suggestion for somebody to check out a

2248
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:09,680
film case.

2249
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,800
Speaker 2: The double The second half of that double feature is

2250
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,399
Common Law Wife, and I would I would choose common

2251
02:04:16,479 --> 02:04:16,960
Law Wife.

2252
02:04:17,199 --> 02:04:17,399
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2253
02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Film Masters.

2254
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:21,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did a really good release of that with

2255
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:23,199
I'm trying to remember who the I think there was

2256
02:04:23,279 --> 02:04:25,199
commentaries on there as well, wasn't there?

2257
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 2: I think so. And a friend of mine works worked

2258
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:31,279
for them and keeps suggesting that I reach out to

2259
02:04:31,319 --> 02:04:33,680
see if they're looking for people to do supplements. I

2260
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:36,000
just never have actually. Yeah.

2261
02:04:36,079 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's an audio commentary by Larry Buchanan, director of

2262
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:40,399
Swamp Rose.

2263
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:44,520
Speaker 2: Yep, that's from the DVD. Yeah, from the DVD. Yeah,

2264
02:04:45,239 --> 02:04:47,479
that's not a bad commentary actually, because he points out

2265
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:51,439
the new footage versus the footage, the footage that was

2266
02:04:51,439 --> 02:04:54,439
shot under swamp Rows and then the added footage. But

2267
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:56,680
unfortunately he does not remember the name of the actress

2268
02:04:56,720 --> 02:05:00,920
that replaces Lacey Kelly. Yeah, Chase there's two women playing

2269
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:02,680
that same part, and he did not remember the name

2270
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:08,039
of the second the second actress, so it's kind of yes,

2271
02:05:08,359 --> 02:05:12,239
yes her, yeah, so uh so who she is? I

2272
02:05:12,359 --> 02:05:15,600
know she's fantastic. I love both of them. But yeah, yeah,

2273
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,920
that one is really good. That's that was a good

2274
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:20,199
double feature. It's just an exact same double feature that

2275
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:22,520
came out on DVD and that was one of their

2276
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:24,920
best DVD double features too, so I like that they

2277
02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:28,760
just restored that. I don't know if they included. There's

2278
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:31,600
missing footage from their transfer that's present in the some

2279
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:35,279
Sinister Cinema print, so I don't know if they fixed

2280
02:05:35,359 --> 02:05:37,680
that for the film masters don't have to research that.

2281
02:05:38,159 --> 02:05:39,960
Oh yeah, there's a really good documentary on that.

2282
02:05:40,079 --> 02:05:46,319
Speaker 3: I remembered that exploitation doc from Value to that production company.

2283
02:05:46,399 --> 02:05:47,279
Speaker 2: Oh Daniel Griffith.

2284
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:49,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, ok, yeah, I think it's like a full length

2285
02:05:49,479 --> 02:05:50,920
pretty much a full length documentary.

2286
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like him.

2287
02:05:53,239 --> 02:05:57,159
Speaker 3: You'll get more recommendations for exploitation pictures and you get

2288
02:05:57,239 --> 02:05:59,239
kind of a backstory. Yeah, they go all the way

2289
02:05:59,279 --> 02:06:03,359
back to them and all the child Bride early early stuff.

2290
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:09,680
So road, well, give us an original, Alex, you can't

2291
02:06:10,640 --> 02:06:10,960
damn it.

2292
02:06:11,319 --> 02:06:14,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, but folks, get that release. Just adding on to that,

2293
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:17,399
get that release. My pick out of this list has

2294
02:06:17,439 --> 02:06:18,640
got to be scum of the earth.

2295
02:06:19,239 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, does that even fit

2296
02:06:21,039 --> 02:06:21,960
the bill? I don't know?

2297
02:06:22,239 --> 02:06:22,760
Speaker 8: Is it in here?

2298
02:06:22,840 --> 02:06:28,159
Speaker 2: Okay? I just no, I think it does? It does.

2299
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:36,920
Speaker 8: It's very It's it's pretty much if wrote a sexploitation

2300
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:40,960
a southern exploitation horror film. It's kind of like the yeah,

2301
02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:44,079
kind of the same thing is like seeds in that

2302
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:48,560
weird pseudo incestuous family then started getting picked off by

2303
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:51,279
a killer who is a Oh I'm not gonna spoil it,

2304
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:55,640
not gonna spoil it, but that is Brown Riggs's absolute best.

2305
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:57,800
It's beautiful. It's so well shot.

2306
02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:02,560
Speaker 2: Grindhouse releasing. Grind has announced it.

2307
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 8: So a restoration screening played up here so mad I

2308
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:10,960
couldn't go to it. So what you're doing? Said on

2309
02:07:11,079 --> 02:07:13,479
that you cleaned it up as much as you could.

2310
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:14,279
What's happening?

2311
02:07:14,399 --> 02:07:17,800
Speaker 3: They announced like all these special features and stuff, and yeah,

2312
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:19,319
yeah did they.

2313
02:07:19,560 --> 02:07:20,600
Speaker 2: They announced ago?

2314
02:07:21,079 --> 02:07:22,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, like half a century ago.

2315
02:07:23,039 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 2: Virtually everyone they've interviewed is dead now because they did

2316
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:29,760
the extras that long ago, because well, that reminds me

2317
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:32,239
Stave Sulkan was writing a Brown Brig book that I

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decided not to continue with my idea for a Brownrig

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book because he essentially said, I talked to people that

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will never talk to you, so it's not worth you

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doing a book. So I didn't do my book. And

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now we don't have a Brown Brig book, David, So

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where's the Brown Brig Book? David? And also, David, you

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have my doubt. Look in the basement TV spot. I

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gave you for this release twenty five years ago. He

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still has that TV spot. Yeah, I know. I've been

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waiting for that release for twenty five years. They announced

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that literally a quarter of a century ago.

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Speaker 3: If you want to know how how long ago they

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announced this, they announced it back when they were still

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doing DVD blue ray combos.

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Speaker 2: No, they announced this when they were doing DVDs only.

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Oh real. They announced this after they put out Cannibal

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fair Oks on DVD. The first time this was announced. Yes,

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this has been This has been announced since two thousand

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and one.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, yes, yeah, you're right, it has been announced

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02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:36,399
long a DVD release. Yeah, there's even a sliver in

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02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:38,880
this announcement where it just says DVD, it doesn't see

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blue ray DVD.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had that. I guess sounds like they

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02:08:42,439 --> 02:08:44,640
had that release prepared for the DVD release and they

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02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:47,159
just cut copy pasted. Yeah, didn't that blu ray?

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Speaker 8: That?

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Speaker 2: To tell you something? Yeah, I that is a sore

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02:08:50,760 --> 02:08:53,920
spot for me because I've loved this movie for ages

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02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:55,760
and ages and it would do so well.

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Speaker 8: One thing I will say in defense, I mean, there's

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no excuse now because palely restored it. Elements have been

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02:09:02,239 --> 02:09:03,920
a really bad problem with that movie.

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02:09:04,319 --> 02:09:08,840
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure, so I can I mean not so long.

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Speaker 8: I know exactly, but I like I can also see

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02:09:11,239 --> 02:09:13,720
want to wait a while to see, but also announce

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02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:15,520
it to see if something else popped.

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02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:16,680
Speaker 2: They already did the restoration.

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Speaker 8: Well, now they have a.

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02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:23,840
Speaker 2: Year ago when that screened, okay, right, yeah, because I

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02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:27,239
don't know when they completed that, to be completely honest. Yeah, yeah,

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02:09:27,479 --> 02:09:29,760
but they've had those ready to go, locked and loaded.

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Speaker 8: I think it was just I think there's the vach

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02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,359
there's the VHS rip of it on YouTube or something.

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Everyone go watch. Don't wait, because I want you all

2363
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:40,479
to start screaming about this movie because it's really good.

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02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:45,600
Browning's best. So don't wait because you like, we need

2365
02:09:45,720 --> 02:09:49,319
you to help get Grindhouse to get on this all

2366
02:09:49,359 --> 02:09:55,479
the time. I do have to mention Shanty Tramp yeah

2367
02:09:55,520 --> 02:10:01,079
as well, because Shane Tramp is perfection, se his nasty

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02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:06,399
backwards perfection. We cannot end this episode without mentioning that

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02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:08,199
people should see Shandy Tramp.

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Speaker 2: Definitely love Shandy Tramp. Yeah, the best thing Keg Gordon

2371
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:17,239
Murray was ever involved with too. He you know, his

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02:10:17,359 --> 02:10:20,640
originals aren't that great. That's that's perfect.

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Speaker 3: It's a perfect movie with the incredible Eleanor Vale doing

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02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:29,520
a Shanty Tramp turn, a very different character from.

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02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 2: The Pill and Taste of Blood, very different and met

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02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:37,560
her husband, who played her incestuous father in the movie,

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02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:39,640
and then they later got married and moved to Chicago.

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02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:42,000
We talked about it all on the Pill commentary. Go listen,

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02:10:42,199 --> 02:10:42,680
we did.

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Speaker 8: Come on.

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02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:50,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna rewatch that because that movie

2382
02:10:50,479 --> 02:10:56,119
is Goody Tramp too long. Yeah, talking about restorations, I

2383
02:10:56,399 --> 02:10:58,720
would love a Shandy Tramp restoration. Please.

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02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:01,359
Speaker 3: Well, it's a certain guy's website.

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02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh god, I keep forgetting that a certain reason.

2386
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:08,119
New movie out a movie that's getting raked over the

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02:11:08,199 --> 02:11:11,000
coles and hated by everybody. So now Terribody's going to

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02:11:11,079 --> 02:11:12,800
run back his exploitation.

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02:11:12,439 --> 02:11:15,359
Speaker 3: And and act a fool even though his movie is

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02:11:15,439 --> 02:11:17,239
named after this exploitation movie.

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02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:20,359
Speaker 2: Yes, without credit, he's not going to reference it in

2392
02:11:20,399 --> 02:11:24,000
any of his interviews. I'm sure the director's long time crazy.

2393
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:25,079
He can't say anything about it.

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02:11:25,239 --> 02:11:27,319
Speaker 3: He did a like a little thing for Letterbox, like

2395
02:11:27,399 --> 02:11:29,840
I'll pick your four favorite movies thing a little clip,

2396
02:11:30,279 --> 02:11:32,319
and that would have been a great opportunity. Why don't

2397
02:11:32,359 --> 02:11:35,279
you like reference the movie that your your new movie

2398
02:11:35,439 --> 02:11:36,239
is named after?

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02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:41,079
Speaker 2: But no, because why would he do that, gentry? Why

2400
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:43,319
would he reference? Did he name any of the movies

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02:11:43,399 --> 02:11:45,560
that he has owned, that he owns and holds under

2402
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:50,960
Lock and Key now in that four Yeah, non's sick.

2403
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:53,840
That is a no. No, he doesn't. He didn't say

2404
02:11:54,640 --> 02:11:59,680
because of course I watched it. Didn't interesting, right, didn't

2405
02:11:59,680 --> 02:12:02,199
say how some beer mountain He mentions.

2406
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:03,640
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I don't remember what they were. It was

2407
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:06,960
like Charlie chaplain, it was a get.

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02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:10,880
Speaker 2: Out okay, no hot thrills, warm chills. Who when Rita

2409
02:12:10,920 --> 02:12:16,039
Alexander just passed away? R ip queen. Yeah, yeah, that's

2410
02:12:16,079 --> 02:12:20,520
too bad anyway, or you're the lord.

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02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:31,680
Speaker 1: Take away, Johnny, let me play with your yo yo

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02:12:32,439 --> 02:12:34,920
white like the herded for Violet.

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02:12:35,439 --> 02:12:36,880
Speaker 7: You don't mind.

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02:12:37,159 --> 02:12:43,359
Speaker 19: Why rhymes if you will marry me and even ripefred

2415
02:12:44,079 --> 02:12:51,960
to Buddy Ever go and break mind WoT you're you're

2416
02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:53,359
your stringing too?

2417
02:12:54,520 --> 02:13:04,039
Speaker 20: Allus still rising set round where one app on Legas say.

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02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:16,520
Speaker 7: Do you know you gos never relate?

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02:13:17,159 --> 02:13:21,840
Speaker 19: Bog me I Johnny came into this time?

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02:13:23,560 --> 02:13:32,840
Speaker 20: I away answer be shining, you're your life broad While

2421
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:39,319
working off, Johnny Hall went all Frisi niggett round world

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02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:46,199
Honey a Vegas thing. Working off Johnny will win all

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02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:49,439
Risi nigge round World one.

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02:13:50,840 --> 02:14:02,720
Speaker 2: Legan say, come.

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Speaker 21: My god, you know, thank you, Thank you for listening

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Speaker 6: Ever have that one movie everyone assumes you've seen but

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02:14:48,479 --> 02:14:52,720
you haven't. You know, the one, the class the cult favorite,

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02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:57,079
the how have you not seen that movie? Welcome to

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02:14:57,199 --> 02:14:59,840
the Shameless Picture Show. Twice a month, I sit down

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02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:02,239
with guests to finally cross one of those films off

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02:15:02,359 --> 02:15:06,399
our shame lists. Sometimes it's their first watch and sometimes

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it's mine, but sometimes it's new for both of us.

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Then we diagne the characters, the the cultural impact, and

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02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:18,199
whether it actually lives up to the hype, from legendary

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classics to cult oddities to the films we somehow missed

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along the way. Join us as we turn movie shame

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02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:29,880
into movie discussion. This is the Shameless Picture Show.