WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:03.520 All right, what's going on? Drivetime? 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:07.759 Tuesday afternoon, about nine minutes past the hour two o'clock. 3 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:10.359 It's about forty two degrees in sunny. 4 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:13.279 Here in downtown saw Lake City, Utah, after a chill 5 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:17.879 really cold overnight weather situation. Chilly morning as well, but 6 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.320 it's settled in nicely. The skies are blue and you 7 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:21.679 can get a little sunshine on. 8 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:24.239 This Tuesday afternoon. Enjoy it. 9 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:28.079 Come January because these days oftentimes do not come around 10 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:30.960 during this month. A lot to do on a Tuesday, 11 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:32.479 and as it is every day, it's good. 12 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:32.719 To have you. 13 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:34.000 Long for the ride. 14 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:37.640 Spence check, it's beyond the mic. That's Porter Larson producing 15 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.679 the show behind the Glass today with a lot to do, 16 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:42.159 a lot to get to on the program. Just a 17 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.920 couple of days away from the final few games of 18 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.840 the college football slate, at least the semi finals, we'll 19 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.320 learn who's going to be playing for that national championship. 20 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.000 Don't forget. We are your home for. 21 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:59.119 The College Football CFP semi final, so we will see 22 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.000 who advances on on to the championship game. We'll also 23 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.359 have the national championship game for you. We are your 24 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.719 home for the biggest and best live football events in 25 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.159 the market, including the NFL Wildcard weekend. 26 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:12.000 That's a head to. 27 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:16.799 The Black Monday effect is spilling over now into Black Tuesday. 28 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:21.799 More people losing their jobs, and the latest is Antonio 29 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:26.000 Pierce is out as the Raiders head coach after a 30 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.040 couple of years at the home, leading a lot of 31 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:33.319 people to wonder whether or not the Raiders will contact 32 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.959 the current head coach of the Colorado Buffaloes, whose name 33 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:37.319 is Deon Sanders. 34 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:39.560 We'll have to see how that goes down. 35 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:41.519 But a lot of NFL on the show today is 36 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.560 we'll get you ready for the wild Card weekend and 37 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.599 talk about the job openings as of right now, weird 38 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:51.560 thing happening in Dallas because of course Mike McCarthy potentially 39 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.120 he's getting an interview with the Chicago Bears while still 40 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:59.359 being under contract with the Dallas Cowboys, and Jerry Jones 41 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.000 is too busy for I mean television series to take 42 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.599 anything seriously, so we'll get their latest with the job 43 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:10.319 circle and carousel in pro football, Daniel Jones has been 44 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.680 signed to the fifty three man roster for the Vikings 45 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:16.800 for the playoffs, so we'll get to the injury news 46 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:20.360 and notes as well. Jalen Jalen Hurt still in concussion protogo. 47 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.080 If you're an Eagles fan, of course you're kind of 48 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.759 holding your bread there. Two games on Saturday and Pro Football, 49 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.599 and then a full slate on Sunday culminating with what 50 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.719 should be a really good Monday night game. The vikings 51 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:35.520 in the Rams interesting to consider what's at stake for 52 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:39.800 Sam Darnold should he have another stinker like he had 53 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.680 last week, Because of course JJ McCarthy waiting. 54 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:46.360 In the wings. So NFL Playoffs ride around the corner. 55 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:47.000 Great time of year. 56 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.879 College football semi finals ride around the corner, great time 57 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:50.280 of year. 58 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.759 A fun game last night we had on the station. 59 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:58.879 As college football continues to be very topical. 60 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:01.240 No real local news on. 61 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:04.639 The college football landscape, guys. We talked about yesterday from 62 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:08.280 the University of Utah side of things, just kind of 63 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:10.759 looks like the roster for now is what it is, 64 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:17.000 and other mechanisms potentially at coach wits disposal tad talent 65 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.280 prior to the start of fall, of course, and fall 66 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:21.039 is a long way away. 67 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:23.919 But really no news. 68 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:25.960 As far as the current state of the local scene 69 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:28.639 in college football. We do have some college basketball tonight. 70 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.080 Utah is that Iowa State. You can hear that game 71 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.039 when we say good night at six o'clock. 72 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:36.879 Iowa State is the number three team in the country. 73 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:37.479 They're really good. 74 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.719 They're in eighteen point five point favorite over the Utes. 75 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:44.719 Bringing me on, welcomes in Texas Tech down in Provo, 76 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.199 Utah State, a top twenty five team on the road. 77 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.400 San Jose State and the Utah Jazz Welcome and an 78 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:55.039 old friend tonight as Quentin Snyder and the Atlanta Hawks 79 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:56.319 are in town. 80 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:58.280 So a lot to do on the show. 81 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.199 Good guest list, We'll start things off to learn a 82 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:03.319 little bit more about the current state of the Utah 83 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:07.319 men's basketball team prior to the game tonight. Sean Mooney, 84 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:11.000 friend of the show, color analysts on the broadcast alongside 85 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.120 the voice himself, Bill Riley. Shan stops by the day 86 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.120 to hopefully give us a little bit of a little 87 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.160 bit of good news, maybe a little bit. 88 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:20.800 Of silver lining. 89 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.360 The first two Big Twelve games have been how shall 90 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:27.639 we say, not competitive or Utah basketball. Iowa States, like 91 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.600 I said, really good. They never lose at home, and 92 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.519 they're the number three team in the country. Iowa State 93 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.560 right now is three and excuse me, twelve and one. 94 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:37.519 Number three in the country is how I should say that, 95 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:40.959 and the utopian to maybe take a couple of steps forward. 96 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.519 Iowa States only lost this year is against Auburn, who 97 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.920 at the time was the top five, top five team 98 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.959 in the country. Iowa stated started off big twelve play 99 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:56.399 with wins at Colorado and a absolute just demolishing a Baylor, 100 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:59.040 a team that really handled Utah well. So Utah big 101 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.800 on dog on the road. So we'll get the latest 102 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.639 from Sean Mooney on the Utah Utes. Tim McMahon NBA 103 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:08.160 Daily Assist Style Jazz has been playing a little bit better. 104 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:12.279 The trade deadline is less than five weeks away. What 105 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.120 does what does Tim have to say about the current 106 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:15.959 state of the jazz as they continue to build the 107 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.000 foundation for hopefully what they believe to be is a 108 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.680 excellent finished product once upon a time. So bring in 109 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.480 Tim today to talk some jazz, AND's NBA Scott Mitchell 110 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.240 back on the show. Scott has been a world traveler. 111 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.720 That's what you're allowed to do when you're basically part 112 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.480 Time'm retired. I want to do a little NFL with 113 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.560 Scott today. Played in Detroit. What would it mean for 114 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:39.319 Detroit Lions fans if Dan Campbell is able to coach 115 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:42.560 this team through the postseason and maybe win the Super Bowl. 116 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.680 I mean, just to kind of get a sense of 117 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.800 what that game on Sunday meant to them. And it 118 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:50.839 wasn't even a playoff game. It was to lock in 119 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.399 the number one seed, and Lions fans were going crazy. 120 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:56.360 It was like the biggest football game in Detroit in 121 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:58.879 like forty or fifty years. And then, of course we'll 122 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.639 do some utes with Scott today. Belle Frasier, our friend 123 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:03.519 from the Salt Lake Tribune, will stop by to do 124 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:07.160 a little Utah Hockey Club on the program. It's been 125 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:08.839 a rough stretch for the hockey club. They've got a 126 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:10.879 grip of home games coming up. We'll see what Belle 127 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.759 has to say about our local hockey team. So little basketball, 128 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.839 little NBA, little college basketball, little NFL, little college football too. 129 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:24.800 Some hockey on a Tuesday in January, Sean Mooney, Tom McMahon, Scott, Mitchell, Bell, 130 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:26.480 Fraser and he spent check at all of you, the 131 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.439 great listeners and producing the program today. 132 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:31.639 Is Porter Larson. 133 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.480 All right, give me if you can think of an example, 134 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:41.680 give me one subconscious habit you seem to have that 135 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.319 you know you shouldn't do, but for some reason you 136 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.759 continue to do. I bring it up because, for some reason, 137 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.079 every two or three weeks, I get ready to come 138 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.240 into work, I fill up my water bottle, ready to roll, 139 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.360 screw the top clearly not tight enough, throw the water 140 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.519 bottle on the backpack, and by the time it to work, 141 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.240 everything is soaking wet and the water bottle is empty. 142 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:05.680 And I continue to do it, even though I know 143 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.959 I should not do it, And it's like the dumbest thing. 144 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:10.480 It should be the easiest thing to fix. 145 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.680 Is there a dumb guy hobby you have that or 146 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.319 a habit you have? I should say that you can't 147 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:16.079 get out of your own. 148 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.480 Way about That's a that's a good kind of random 149 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:20.399 radio topic. 150 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.160 First off, you're not alone in that regard. 151 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.680 I have done the don't tighten your bottle tight enough 152 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:33.480 and doubts everything that you own. Huh, you want to 153 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:34.720 stew on it. I kind of put you out of 154 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:36.120 the spot. I mean you did kind of put me 155 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.000 on the spot. Like I chew on my nails way 156 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.040 too much. I pick my nose all the time. 157 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:40.519 I don't know. 158 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:45.160 Okay, gross, a little less vulnerability, a little less honest day. 159 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.439 That's gross. It's not how I roll. Okay, all right, 160 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:51.800 well let's get weird to start the show. Why don't 161 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:52.399 you think about it. 162 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:54.639 Let's come back to you a little bit later on, 163 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.439 and we'll do something that doesn't make people want to 164 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:58.160 throw out their lunch. 165 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.720 I can, I can find some subconscious habits today I 166 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:02.360 need to get rid of. 167 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.680 Okay, all right, get some tissues. There's some in the 168 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.759 studio if you need some. Our first guest today, Sean Moody, 169 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:10.839 tak a little college football before get to Sean, courtesy 170 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.160 of our good friends. It's Standard Restaurant Supply, your one 171 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.519 stop shop for all your Tailkate needs. Check them out 172 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.680 online or they're convenient location here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 173 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:21.920 On a Tuesday afternoon, It's time now for your opening tip. 174 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.759 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check. It's on Utah's 175 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:29.439 number one Sports Talk. Now into the studio of ESPN 176 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.399 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 177 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.399 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 178 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.759 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 179 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:42.480 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply, thirty five hundred 180 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:43.480 south West Temple. 181 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.240 All Right, a little bit of a random idea for 182 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.879 opening tip today. You know, I've made it a point 183 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.000 over the past month or so. Whenever the Cleveland Cavaliers 184 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.399 are playing a really good team and if the time 185 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.000 slot works, I mean, they're obviously an East Coast team, 186 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.360 and I'm on air Intel six, which is a clock 187 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:04.120 Eastern time. I try to dig in to see what 188 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.440 Kenny Atkinson has done with his team and why they're 189 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.759 off to this thirty one and four start. I mean, 190 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.360 everybody believes Boston's the best team in the Eastern Conference. 191 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.799 They're five and a half full games behind the Calves 192 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.600 and look lover hate Donovan Mitchell. I'll always cheer for 193 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.600 Donovan because I'll never forget the five years he's spent here. 194 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.559 And I covered Donovan right out of the gates after 195 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.360 the Jazz drafted him. At the time, I was anchoring 196 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.600 our Draft Died covers on the old radio station and 197 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.759 our broadcast partner was the Jazz, so they put me 198 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:35.120 on the phone with Donovan right after he was drafted 199 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:38.519 to interview him. I was the first media member in 200 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:41.039 Salt Lake City to interview Donovan Mitchell because we had 201 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.200 the draft coverage and after the Jazz drafted him. I 202 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.320 believe it was maybe Jonathan Bryan Hard at the time, 203 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.559 maybe it was my guy. Dunio puts Donovan on the 204 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.360 phone and I spent ten minutes with him interviewing him 205 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:53.080 on our draft night coverage, and. 206 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:54.039 I was blown away. 207 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.360 I was unbelievably impressed that for a young man his age, 208 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.840 he seems so polished, he seems so sharp, he seems 209 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:03.879 so oh not articulate, but he knew exactly what to 210 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.360 say to this fan base. And you know, we later 211 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.039 learned that Donovan's father was raised in you know, Donovan, 212 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.399 I should say, was raised in the world of professional 213 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:15.759 sports because his father is an executive with the Mets, 214 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.759 and Donovan once he started to kind of rise up 215 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:20.759 the ranks. And we're not going to do a Donovan 216 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:22.799 Mitchell history lesson. I'm going to land the plane, but 217 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.799 just stick with me for a second. Donovan came up 218 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.080 as a baseball prospect and then when he really started 219 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.480 to grow, and by grow, I don't necessarily mean vertically, 220 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.720 like next time Donovan's in town, if you go to 221 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.600 a jazz game. Look at his wingspan, Look at his arms. 222 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.320 Look at his hands. They're big, they're padded. He's got 223 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.320 incredible length with both his legs and his arms. 224 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:43.080 He moves really well. 225 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.919 Laterally, and he started to excel in basketball as a teenager, 226 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.360 but not until then, and ultimately was analyzed as a 227 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.759 defensive stopper coming out of Louisville. Donovan himself didn't think 228 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:55.919 that he was ready to go to the pros, and 229 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.240 Tel Chris Paul said, look, you're ready, man, somebody's gonna 230 00:10:58.240 --> 00:10:58.720 give you a shot. 231 00:10:58.799 --> 00:10:59.559 Just go put the work in. 232 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:03.600 And Donna did that here and so watching him burst 233 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.320 on the scene as a rookie when he took over 234 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:08.679 for Rodney Hood. Rodney Hood at the time was supposed 235 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:10.279 to be the player who was going to step up 236 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.320 and phill devoid left by Gordon Heyward. 237 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:13.879 That lasted like five games. 238 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:18.000 Quinn Snyder, who's in town tonight with a Hawk, said okay, Donovan, Okay, rookie, 239 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.159 the car is yours, here are the keys, let's go. 240 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:26.200 And he allowed Donovan to grow through some inevitable growing 241 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.559 pains that most young players go through, but it didn't 242 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.240 take too long. I think it was January, if I 243 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.159 remember correctly, Donovan's rookie year, when the Pelicans rolled into 244 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.759 town and I'm watching the game with Britton Johnson, my 245 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.080 old partner for the Utah Jazz pre aff and post 246 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.120 and of course youth basketball legend, and Donovan starts cooking 247 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:44.320 early and Britain turns me said He's getting forty tonight. 248 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.399 I'm like, no way, because I don't think he had 249 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.399 scored thirty up to that point. And sure enough, Donovan 250 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.559 dropped forty on the Pelicans, and that was kind of 251 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:57.000 his welcome to the national narrative, the national NBA narrative. 252 00:11:57.720 --> 00:11:59.120 Not a lot of people thought the Jazz were going 253 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.480 to be any good that year at all, because Heyward 254 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.600 had left, no one knew anything about Mitchell, and Gobert 255 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:06.759 still looked like a baby giraffe running up and down 256 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.679 the floor, although he was showing signs. But it was 257 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.200 Donovan's ascension his rookie year that really should have won 258 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.200 him the award for Rookie of the Year, but that 259 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:17.799 went to Ben Simmons, who was a second year player, 260 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:19.919 even though he was injured and missed his first year. 261 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:24.159 I've never liked that dynamic, different topic, different day. And 262 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:29.000 then as the story goes, COVID changed that iteration of 263 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.440 the Utah Jazz forever. COVID changed a lot of the 264 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.840 things forever that are more important than basketball. But for 265 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.039 the sake of a sports socc radio show, COVID changed 266 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.279 that team Gobert test positive. There was the false narrative 267 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:43.600 that Rudy gave it to Donovan, and now we know 268 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.360 in retrospect, nobody has any clue who gave it to 269 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:47.360 Rudy or Donovan. 270 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:49.440 Donovan could have given it to Rudy. 271 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:53.159 But of course the CAAA circle comes together, they Bowlly Rudy. 272 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:57.879 In my opinion, Adrian roj Narowski sends out a horrifically 273 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.960 misguided tweet in Rudy's direction and clearly getting his CAAA 274 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.720 buddy Donovan Mitchell's back, and suddenly Rudy became this punching 275 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.240 bag and that team was fractured. And then of course 276 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.120 that was the summer of Black Lives Matter and the 277 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.679 murder of George Floyd, and Donovan started looking at things 278 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:14.799 that quite frankly, he had never looked at before, by 279 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:17.080 his own admission, and it changed the way that he 280 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.039 was thinking about his role as a black man in 281 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.320 the world and in the NBA, which is great. Good 282 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.320 for him, there's nothing wrong with it, but it certainly 283 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.240 changed the way that he felt about living here. And 284 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.399 I think are some of our local legislators, mainly the 285 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.840 ones who told Donovan to go learn about his own history, 286 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:36.120 probably didn't do our market any favors to hold on 287 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:40.919 to this really special generational player. And that's what he is, okay, 288 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.159 And so the reason I bring it up in that 289 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.399 direction is I'll always kind of cheer for the kid 290 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.080 and hope that he figures it out in a way 291 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:51.639 where he has better success in the spring. And nothing 292 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:53.720 that Donovan does in the fall or the Calves do 293 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.080 in the fall will change the narrative that Donovan so 294 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.399 far has hit this playoff ceiling. 295 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.000 It's not that he can't play in the playoff. 296 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.320 I mean, we watched him go for a fifty piece 297 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.200 in the bubble, and we've seen him have some of 298 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.480 the most historic scoring postseason games in the history of 299 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.799 this organization, the Jazz, and he's going to continue to 300 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.720 do it for the Cavs. But I just wanted to 301 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:20.720 present this because the athletic did this ranking of the 302 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.120 best front offices in all of the major sports. And 303 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:29.240 when I say all the major sports, I mean basketball, baseball, football, 304 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:33.080 and they included hockey as well. And these lists have 305 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.799 come out from time to time. It's not a new list, 306 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:38.120 and you can go back and look at some of 307 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:42.039 the lists of the best front offices in all of sports, 308 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.639 or in the NBA, when Scott Layden was running the show, 309 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:47.000 when Kevin O'Connor was running the show, when Dennis Lindsay 310 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.440 was running the show, and when the Millers owned the team, 311 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.399 the Jazz were always in the top three or five 312 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.639 in the NBA and always in the top ten or 313 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.480 twenty in all of sports. And with the latest list, 314 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:02.759 the Jazz come in at number fifty one, just ahead 315 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.480 of the Minnesota Wild the NHL team, And look, when 316 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:08.600 you look at some of the NBA teams in their stratosphere, 317 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.279 they're just behind Philadelphia the seventy six years their general manager, 318 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.039 Daryl Morey is thought to be one of the more 319 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.000 bright forward thinkers in all of pro basketball. 320 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:19.799 And then Dallas is at fifty two. 321 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.960 So Dallas is another front office that has a decent reputation. 322 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:24.639 But this is a. 323 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:29.240 Far far cry from where the Jazz front office once 324 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.320 upon a time, used to be ranked year after year. 325 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:32.639 Why did I bring up Donovan? 326 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:36.240 Well, what will we say if Donovan Mitchell and the 327 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:40.080 Cleveland Cavaliers go win the NBA Championship this year? Because 328 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.000 through thirty four games played, Donovan has been really healthy 329 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:47.200 this year. The numbers continue to be exactly what they've been. Okay, 330 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.879 So it's twenty three points, it's five assists, it's four boards, 331 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.960 the splits are pretty good. He's shooting forty one percent 332 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.320 from three on nine attempts per game. He's not getting 333 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.480 the free throw line as much, Okay, so he's not 334 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:02.279 attacking the rim as much as he did when he 335 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.840 was here. He's down to eighty one percent from the 336 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.200 line on four free throw attempts. He shoots forty six 337 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.200 percent from two, and so ultimately, this is a year 338 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.279 that quantifiably, when you look at the data, it does 339 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:16.919 not indicate that Donovan has taken this massive leap. But 340 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.679 the way he is playing in Kenny Atkins Kenny Atkinson system, 341 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:23.320 he has committed himself on the defensive side of the 342 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.720 floor that even by his own admission, he never has 343 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.639 in his career, which I'm sure fans around here like, thanks, dude, 344 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.840 appreciate the effort while you were here. But he's playing 345 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:34.639 winning basketball in the way he's never played winning basketball. 346 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:37.919 He's a better playmate in the sandbox with his teammates 347 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:39.919 than he ever was when he was here. And we 348 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.960 had Tim Bond Tempts on the show last week, and 349 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.080 Tim dropped the line that I just haven't been able 350 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.840 to shake since he said it last week, and I 351 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.120 asked him about whether or not we need to start 352 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.519 talking about the Cavs as championship contenders. I mean, hell, 353 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.799 they're thirty one to four. They're on pace to win 354 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.279 more than seventy games, like that's not nothing. They've won 355 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.240 ten straight, Like I said, they've separated themselves from the Celtics. 356 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.039 And Tim said something that slapped me across the face. 357 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.480 He said, well, come spring, we're going to find out 358 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.279 if they're for real or if they're simply just Utah 359 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:13.240 Jazz East. And that's because of the way the roster 360 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.799 is constructed. They have a center in Jared Allen who's 361 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.240 not as good as Rudy is on the glass or 362 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.039 protecting the rim, but he's a very good defensive center. 363 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.319 And he is a good rebounder, And then we could 364 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.039 do the exercise of kind of comparing some of the 365 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.119 other players. Did did Darius Garland a Mike Conley role? 366 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:31.400 You know, we could go down the list as Kris Lavert, 367 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.119 Joe Ingles, or whatever it is. The team actually is 368 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.359 built somewhat similarly to the Jazz team. 369 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:38.599 That Donovan played on while he was here. 370 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:42.279 But what would happen if Donovan goes on and the 371 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.160 Cleveland Cavaliers go on and win the championship? What would 372 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.200 be fair to say about this front office right now 373 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.480 with Utah Jazz in this organization where they did make 374 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.519 the decision to trade Donovan Mitchell and Donovan's only twenty 375 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:58.000 eight years old. And I think the thing that really 376 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:02.400 stings is when you look at Donovan's per destination, there's. 377 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.319 No room for him anywhere in New York. 378 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:08.400 So it does lead me to wonder if the front 379 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.359 office decided to tell Donovan, like, look, we know that 380 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:14.119 maybe it's not as comfortable as you'd like it to 381 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:16.319 be here, but give us a chance. You're on a 382 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.720 contract for a couple of years. We have a really 383 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.599 good team. Quinn's an awesome coach, because I think if 384 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.880 that team stayed together. Remember Quinn left because he said 385 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:25.960 there's no way forward. I don't see any way forward. 386 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.839 I don't think he wanted to work with this ownership group. 387 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:30.839 But that's a different story. But if the team came back, 388 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:32.720 there would have been a way forward. Because Gobart has 389 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.240 been great since he left here. Royce O'Neil has been 390 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.799 much better than he was when he was here wherever 391 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.640 he's been, and Donovan has now elevated himself to potentially 392 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.839 a first team All League guy for maybe the favorite 393 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.720 to win the NBA Championship through the first thirty five games, 394 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.880 not according to Vegas, but they're thirty one and four. 395 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:51.839 They've beaten a lot of really really good teams. 396 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.920 And with the front office rankings and the reputation of 397 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.880 this Jazz front office ownership group slash front office really 398 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.920 lagging far behind what the front office was prior to 399 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.039 and the ownership group was prior to, it'll be interesting 400 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.400 to see what the conversation sounds like if Donovan, at 401 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:11.640 the age of twenty eight, has really cracked this code 402 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.680 and has taken a city in Cleveland that, according to 403 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.799 market size, isn't a whole lot bigger than what Salt 404 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.319 Lake is to the problemised land, and wonder if you 405 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.039 could have done it here. And that's not necessarily fair 406 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.680 because there's not enough time to unpack every single reason 407 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:28.319 as far as why they traded him. It's a weird 408 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.920 weather day because it's not warm, but the sun rolls 409 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.720 in through the window and it fools you into thinking 410 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.359 that you're warm. So I'm kind of alternating between beanie 411 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.640 and sweatshirt and then no beanie and T shirt, although 412 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.640 I like the beanie and T shirt look because. 413 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:43.680 It makes me feel like I'm eminem. 414 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.200 There you go, like eight mile walking down the streets 415 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:51.799 of Salt Lake, blasting lose yourself, delusionally confident in my 416 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:53.839 ability to attack anyone who comes my way. 417 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:54.279 There you go. 418 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.759 It's not warm. It's I don't know, well freezing though. 419 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:00.759 I walk to work, so I know the walk home 420 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.400 is going to be much cooler. You know where it's 421 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:08.759 not warm? Ames, Iowa is our guy? Sean on the line? 422 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:13.960 Yeah, Utah basketball in action and the line has moved, Okaks, 423 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.400 So good news. Utah is no longer an eighteen point 424 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:20.519 five point underdog. They're now a sixteen point five point underdog, 425 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:23.680 so a massive ask for Craig's team on the road, 426 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:25.920 and our guy Sean Mooney joins us on a Tuesday 427 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:26.680 afternoon shot. 428 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:27.960 Happy Tuesday, Man, how are we doing? 429 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:30.000 Thanks? Vince? How you do it? 430 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:31.960 I can see you in that beani in the T shirt. 431 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:33.119 I'm not going to get near you. 432 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:34.480 Delusionally confident. 433 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.119 I mean, look, I can throw these things if I 434 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:37.960 need to, Sean, And when you have the beanie and 435 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.880 the T shirt, look, you just have a level of confidence, 436 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:42.480 and quite frankly, is probably unhealthy. 437 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:44.880 It definitely is unhealthy. 438 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.440 The last time we spoke, I think I was standing 439 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:50.200 outside sinkle Field House, and our bet was something to 440 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.680 the effect that if we won that game that would 441 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.119 be against Indiana State, that Bill and I would dance. 442 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.839 I want you to know, Spence, since then Bill and 443 00:20:57.880 --> 00:20:59.960 I had danced, and I do have it on video, 444 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:02.880 but if the youth can pull off the win tonight, 445 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:03.960 I'll send it to you. 446 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:06.960 Oh my gosh, Now I don't want to talk about 447 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.200 anything else. You're tell me you have Bill Riley dancing 448 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:10.799 on video. 449 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.799 Technically he's not dancing. Technically he's singing and I'm dancing. 450 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.599 But it's about as close as we're going to get. 451 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:19.960 Okay, No, that is as close as you will get. 452 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.960 Because a couple of times in studio I caught Bill 453 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:25.319 like dancing to a bump and I shamed him because 454 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:27.119 you don't want to see Bill dance for our listeners. 455 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:28.279 You do not want to see him dance. 456 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.720 So I immediately asked him to stop, and I think 457 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:32.319 I probably justsuaded in from dancing. 458 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:34.519 Ever again, we. 459 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:36.720 Danced next to each other all the time with you know, 460 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.839 little moves, not big moves, because we got headsets on, just. 461 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:40.119 Like you do. 462 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:42.960 Right now, for sure, for sure, all right, before we 463 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:48.359 get to tonight, let's see Hilton Coliseum. Iowa Stayed is 464 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.839 not lost for in forever. I think it's twenty six 465 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.559 straight home wins for Iowa Stay. So but before before 466 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:56.279 we get to tonight, I need you to tell me 467 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.680 from your vantage point, simply, are you seeing improvement? I mean, 468 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:01.759 I mean, let's start with baby steps, because the first 469 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.359 couple of Big twelve games they have been housed. And 470 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.799 I can't really spin it any other way, but you 471 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:09.559 watch all these games up close, from the start of 472 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:11.720 the season, the start of non con to where we're 473 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.480 at today. Are you seeing this team incrementally get better. 474 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:20.359 That's a really tough question. Yes, but we haven't. We 475 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:21.240 haven't gotten. 476 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:21.680 Over the hump. 477 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.720 To me, the hump would have been getting one of 478 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:26.759 those wins against a good team Mississippi State. We're really close, 479 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.279 We're up eleven. Couldn't get it obviously, couldn't be Iowa, 480 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.759 couldn't be Saint Mary's. And then, I mean, my goodness, 481 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.720 we open with two of the most efficient teams, Baylor 482 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.079 and TTU, and then you see what Iowa State does 483 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:43.960 to Baylor. And now we're playing Iowa State, an ugly 484 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.759 beginning to a conference that's as tough as it gets. 485 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.400 I do think we're getting better, but I don't know 486 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:52.599 that we're really sure who we are yet, Spence. 487 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.519 And that's actually you read my mind, because that's where 488 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.359 I want to go next. You know, and ultimately, if 489 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:01.079 you've ever tried to play basketball against basketball players that 490 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:03.960 are bigger, stronger, and more talented than you are, you 491 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:06.480 know that the only way to compete is to find 492 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.319 some sort of advantage in kind of a sneaky way, 493 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.400 whether it's junking it up on defense. You know, the 494 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:18.079 utes great national championship run majeris triangle in two against Arizona. 495 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.000 Stuff like that. You know, box and one whatever it is. 496 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:23.440 But if you don't match up man to man talent 497 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:25.599 wise with the other team and Sean, let's just call 498 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.960 it how it is so far, talent wise, Craig feels 499 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.839 like he's marketing marching into a gym with a serious 500 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.079 disadvantage simply with the players on his roster. 501 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:34.960 I'll due respect. Hopefully that can change. 502 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:38.119 But as far as who they are and the identity 503 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:40.720 of the team and the culture, Craig is trying to build. 504 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.559 What are some of your takeaways as far as what 505 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:45.960 you're seeing that's tangible and what are some things you'd 506 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:48.200 like to see implemented to indicate this thing is going 507 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:48.920 in the right direction. 508 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:52.400 Yeah, I mean a couple of things like so number 509 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.799 one and Craig talked about it today and listeners will 510 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.559 share this in our pregame. We do need to jump 511 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.160 it up. You're exactly right, like we're mostly a man 512 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:04.079 and man team and we definitely know what the other 513 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.359 teams are bringing us, but right now we can't really 514 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.720 take away option one or option two. One of Majaris's 515 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.000 strengths was that they could take we our teams took 516 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:18.279 away option one and you had to go to option two, 517 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:19.960 and then we could take that away and you had 518 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.200 to go to option three. We don't have that footprint 519 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.279 right now. It's not like we don't have the ability, 520 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:29.119 because I think defense is really so much about communication 521 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.599 and understanding what you've got to take away. So to 522 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:35.000 answer that question, we've got to be better, just like 523 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:37.680 you said with that, and then as far as getting better, 524 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:41.359 maybe the storn in our side this year is we 525 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.880 have eleven players that can play and are playing, which 526 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.799 is great, then maybe we don't have the defined roles 527 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:50.880 at this point in the season that we need to have. 528 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.759 So everyone that is playing knows exactly what they need 529 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:55.359 to do and how they need to do it. 530 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:56.440 And there are a lot of. 531 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.359 Voices in these kids' heads nowadays, Spence, because of outside 532 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.640 influence agents, you know, some of the traditional stuff, but 533 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.640 there's a lot of voices and these kids has, in 534 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:09.319 addition to that eleven player deep roster. 535 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:11.519 So let's talk about the rotation. 536 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:14.599 Excuse me, we'll stick with the big twelve stuff because 537 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:16.519 that's kind of where we're at now with conference play. 538 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:21.079 First game against Baylor, you know, obviously it was over quick, unfortunately. 539 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.119 And then Craig Mager made a couple of changes to 540 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.200 the starting lineup, with Caleb Loner starting. 541 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:28.799 He did not start Game one. 542 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.599 And then as far as the rotation goes, yeah, against Baylor, 543 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.839 I mean Craig played eleven guys really, and then against 544 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.599 Texas Tech it was more nine guys and Mirror Little 545 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.000 got eleven minutes. But just give me your thoughts on 546 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.640 the rotation. You think we're settled on a starting five. 547 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.119 Would you like to see the rotation trimmed a little 548 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.119 bit from ten or eleven to maybe your best eight 549 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:47.480 or nine? 550 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:48.559 What are your thoughts? 551 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.079 Yeah, this is good. 552 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.440 I mean I of course was the twelfth guy or 553 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:58.160 the thirteenth guy in a twelve men roster and didn't 554 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.440 play much, so I'm always rooting for those guys. At 555 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.200 the end of the roster, our guys are pretty even 556 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.200 top to bottom. Caleb Belona started that game primarily not 557 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.680 because Caleb didn't deserve it, but because as had a 558 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.640 family member as or Ascer had a family matter he 559 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.039 had to deal with. He's here today. Yeah, I do 560 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.160 think that it does help to get to eight or 561 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.759 nine and to come to the conclusion that you're going 562 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.680 to have some starters. And then obviously the bench is 563 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.039 always a powerful motivator for kids like Miro got really 564 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.160 give to the bench in that last game, partly because 565 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.799 he struggled so much. I thought Mike did a good 566 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:35.279 job in that position. It's Mike and Miro, But I 567 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.440 do think that it would help if you kind of got. 568 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.000 Your minutes in order and you know what you're going 569 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:41.319 to get. 570 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.960 I think that's a difficult job, but that's the coach's job. 571 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:45.079 You know. 572 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.480 It's interesting if you look at the Big twelve rankings, 573 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.119 as far as the numbers go, Utah leads the conference 574 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.599 and assists per game twenty point five assists per game. 575 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.880 Is that a reflection? You know, it's kind of interesting, 576 00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:58.960 like watching the Jazz right now and watching the way 577 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.519 that Will Hardy wants to to play, Like they don't 578 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.000 have a Shay, they don't have a Luca, they don't 579 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.640 have a ball dominant lead guard, or you could one 580 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.880 four flat or Iso and say you go make a play. 581 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.480 And so even marketing's not that dude. He just isn't 582 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.720 an isolation guy. He's really good and so you want. 583 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.079 If you're Will Hardy, you want to see everybody eat 584 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.319 because you do not have that one ball dominant guy. 585 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.599 It doesn't feel like Utah has that ball in hand 586 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.759 playmaker either. Is the assist number per game simply the 587 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.039 way that Craig wants to play based off the roster, like, 588 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.119 we've got to share the basketball because we are not 589 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:30.440 ISO nominate. 590 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:31.960 Spencer. 591 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.839 You're good, you've watched a lot of basketball. 592 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:34.759 Yeah. 593 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.119 The difference between us and the teams that we've lost 594 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.039 to you this year is they have two or three 595 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:43.079 players that can get it done off the bounce, So 596 00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:45.680 they can either score at the rim off the bounce, 597 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.400 or they can get two feet in the paint and 598 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.319 draw and make a good pass where they're mid range. 599 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.839 So they're like three level scores. We technically don't have 600 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.079 any three level scores, and we don't get many easy buckets. 601 00:27:59.119 --> 00:27:59.599 That's one of the. 602 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.480 Reasons why you see us kidding so many sists and 603 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.720 we do change it. Well, that's our strength this year. 604 00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.200 We need kids that can get it off the bounce 605 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:09.599 more than what we have right now. 606 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.279 All right, So moving over to your impressions of just 607 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.000 the Big twelve overall, before we land on Iowa State 608 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.480 to finish our hit because you know, it's just been 609 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.160 interesting to watch the different reactions of the different sports 610 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.519 with the new challenge, and you know, Gavin, it's interesting, 611 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.920 you know. Interestingly enough, the women had a tougher challenge 612 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.519 in the Pac twelve than they do in the Big twelve, 613 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.920 and so talking to coach Rob before Gavin took over, like, 614 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:37.720 their challenge is a little bit different, and I think 615 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.359 they have a chance to really compete at a high 616 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.960 level in this conference. On the women's side, the football side, 617 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.160 it feels the same, a bunch of like good teams 618 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.119 to beat the crap out of each other. But on 619 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.240 the men's basketball side, this is a massive jump up, 620 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.160 a massive jump up in a way that I'm not 621 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.240 sure most of our listeners fully understand, because I don't 622 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.079 know how many of our listeners have paid much attention 623 00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.759 to the landscape of college basketball outside of the prism 624 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.000 of the team they watch. So your early impressions not 625 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.119 just the games that you've seen Utah play, but how 626 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.720 would you articulate from a thirty thousand foot view shown 627 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.200 just how tough this conference is for Craig to traverse. 628 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.920 I mean, it's it's ridiculous. So with the SEC is 629 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.559 the best conference right now, They're probably going to get 630 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.720 eleven this year. The Big twelves right behind them with 631 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.160 nine eleven game eleven teams in the NC Tournament, the 632 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.839 Big Twelve probably with nine. I know it's early, but 633 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.720 you've got three teams, maybe four teams in the Big 634 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.480 twelve that could win it all. Those three definitely being 635 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.279 Iowa State, Houston, Kansas, and I'm gonna throw my sleeper in. 636 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.400 I know people are down on them, but Arizona now, 637 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.200 they're not up there right now, but they're gonna be. 638 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:45.240 That's a good team. 639 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:47.039 It's just the. 640 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.759 Thirty thousand foot view is fans are really engaged. The 641 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:54.640 Baylor fans were engaged. Fantastic facility. We're gonna go into 642 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.160 probably one of the toughest places to play in the country, 643 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:01.119 third longest active winning streak, and other than a few teams, 644 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.079 I think it's going to be like that for the 645 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:04.519 entire twenty game schedule. 646 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.039 Do you think Utah is going to be favored in 647 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.079 any of the games in conference play? 648 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.759 Bill and I were just talking about this over pizza. 649 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.240 Maybe Oklahoma stayed at home, all. 650 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.839 Right, and that's it. 651 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.759 Probably goodness gracious, did Bill order a peach snapple or 652 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:24.359 a peach iced. 653 00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:28.000 Tea with his pizza? You know him, so just wondering. 654 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:29.720 Just make sure he gets his refills because he can 655 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.160 get grumpy prior to the game. All right, let's move 656 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.759 over now to this challenge. As you reference, they just 657 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.640 don't lose it at home. They don't lose it. Hilton 658 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:40.319 Coliseum as one of the longest active homes home streaks 659 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.440 in the nation as you reference. And you know they've 660 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.960 got I've got a roster with a lot of depth, 661 00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.079 like Craig. They you know, they played nine guys more 662 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.359 than fourteen minutes. So what do you what have you 663 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.319 learned about Iowa State throughout your your prep and what 664 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.000 do you think Utah has to do to at least 665 00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:58.960 make it a fair fight down the stretch? 666 00:30:58.960 --> 00:30:59.920 I guess is how we'll ask it. 667 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.400 Yeah, I saw a couple of things. 668 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.519 I think they have the best guard three guard tandem. 669 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:07.079 In the country. 670 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.680 And I know there's a really good guard at Marquette 671 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:12.119 and are a lot of other good guards. But tam 672 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.440 and Lipsey is a glue guy. He's a disruptor. He 673 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.440 will not be denied getting over screens. Keishawn Gilbert Big 674 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.799 twelve MVP Tournament last year, he's only gotten better. And 675 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.599 Curtis Jones, number five, comes off the bench and he 676 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.480 scored sixteen points a game. And that's not even talking 677 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.359 about their inside guys, which they didn't really have last year. 678 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.880 Now they have three inside guys that can get it done. 679 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.160 Two that they run through, DeShawn Jackson and Joshua Jebson 680 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.640 from Saint Mary's. And then the kid have me mentioned 681 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.440 Monts Mom Sillovich low stay call him. That kid can 682 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:47.400 shoot it from anywhere and we'll make them. 683 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.559 Yeah, gonna be a tough ask on the Utah side. 684 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.440 Just give me some give me some keys. How can 685 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:54.279 they counter this? 686 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.319 Is it? Simply? Is it shot making? 687 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:56.799 Is it you? 688 00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:58.920 Are you looking for a different rotation? Are you looking 689 00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.440 for a different approach? As you're sitting there court side, 690 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.160 Sean watching the game early, what do you want to 691 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:03.960 see from the team? 692 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:04.480 Early on? 693 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.240 Indicate Okay, maybe this won't be the long night most 694 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.200 of us anticipate. 695 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:09.519 Yeah. 696 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.079 The number one thing is physicality. Our team has to 697 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.160 play with a high level of physicality, and what that 698 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.519 means basically is like say, Spence, I'm guarding you on 699 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.359 the wing and you cut, I'm not going to just 700 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.039 let you go wherever you want to go. If you're 701 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.720 a shooter and you're going around a ball screen about 702 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.079 the screen is coming to the ball, I've got to 703 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.960 go over that screen. You got to see us tell 704 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.759 them where to go. And we're going to rake off 705 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.880 or raid off, or we're going to dig down. We're 706 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.359 going to help off of two of their most important 707 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.759 players and also drivers, which is Keishawn Gilbert and team 708 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.160 on Lipsie. They can both hit threes. They'll hit big threes, 709 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.640 but watch those positions. So when we rake down or 710 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.200 raid down, let's see if we can't get back and 711 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:56.519 stop or level off that drive because it's coming. So 712 00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:58.519 I think we also have to junk it up. Just 713 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.599 like you said, we can't just show them man and man. 714 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.519 We got to show him a little zone. 715 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.839 With the physicality. I would imagine Caleb can have a 716 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:06.759 role to play there. And of course he comes over 717 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.640 from the football team and miss the start of the season, 718 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.880 so he's still getting his feet wet. Did get a start, 719 00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.400 He's only played in six games. What have you seen 720 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.640 so far since he's been cleared to play, you know, 721 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.799 for Craig, and he's getting himself into basketball shape. But yes, yes, 722 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.759 it is different than football shape. Okay, just is I'm 723 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.759 and it will take a minute. And when he is 724 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.839 fully acclimated, what do you think he can be for 725 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:27.799 the team. 726 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.240 Yeah, I mean he's a defensive stopper. 727 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:31.039 There's no question. 728 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.240 He's got a body and he's fast enough. 729 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:34.680 He moves his feet well enough. 730 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.440 Not only can he hedge out heart can get on 731 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.000 a guard and defend a guard well. But he's going 732 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:41.720 to defend the post extremely well. 733 00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:42.000 Right. 734 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:43.960 He can slip it, he can get off of the 735 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.039 posting and get in front. 736 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:46.839 He's a very good rebounder. 737 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.559 He's a kid who knows his role pretty much. He's 738 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.119 how to roll his whole life. He's not necessarily a shooter, right, 739 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.519 but what he's trying to do is put pressure on 740 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.400 the paint. When he gets to catch outside, he'll see 741 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.400 him dribble in two for jumps up, make a pass 742 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.880 and then he's an offensive rebounder. I mean, he could 743 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.799 be our best sumptence rebounder. I think Countadaze is, but 744 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.760 I think he's a very established role player at which 745 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:11.800 every team needs. 746 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:14.199 Let me ask you one more you question that I 747 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.599 actually have a BYU question, and I'll set you loose 748 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.599 so you can get back to it. But we were 749 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.159 talking about the need to have a ball in hand 750 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.800 guy who can make plays, just a lead guard, who 751 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.320 can dribble, who can pass, who can get for himself 752 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.719 and get for others. Are there any candidates on the 753 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.760 roster as somebody who you think can grow into that role, 754 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.719 because look, Gabe is great, but that it's just not 755 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:37.679 Gabe's game and that's all right, it doesn't have to be. 756 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.079 Gabe is awesome about what Gabe does. But is there 757 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.320 a ball in hand guy potentially on the roster? 758 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:44.599 Yeah? 759 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:49.320 Absolutely, Both Mike Charvon's shar jumps and and Mero. 760 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:50.159 They both are. 761 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.800 Mew Ro is very much a confidence kid and this 762 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.159 is really his freshman year. He didn't play much at 763 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.159 Baylor last year. He's a sophomore. Mike's had more games 764 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.320 under his belt. They're both the guys that have to 765 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.079 be the ball in hand now. The question is are 766 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.039 either of them going to blow by this level of athleticism. 767 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.440 Probably not, So they got to play within their ability 768 00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:13.320 and do what they've got to do. But we really 769 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.639 need them to be able to penetrate when they need 770 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.400 to penetrate in two foot jump, stop being under control 771 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.360 and make good passes out of those situations. Right now, Spince, 772 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:22.519 we have no one really. 773 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.800 That gets easy buckets for us, and we need that. 774 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:26.679 And that's a ball in hand guy, like you say, 775 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.159 that's what a ball in hand guy. 776 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:28.960 Does for sure? 777 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.800 All right, before I set you loose, you know, don't 778 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.519 I don't watch a ton of high school basketball. I mean, 779 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:36.480 you know, for the job, you have to watch so 780 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.360 many things, and then I would prefer to have a 781 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.400 life at time, so I'm not like dialed in on 782 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.719 high school hoops. And when I started hear the rumors 783 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.199 about aj DEBANTSA potentially looking at BYU. When the rumors 784 00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:50.639 started like a year ago, when he transferred here to 785 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.159 play for whatever that school is. There are a lot 786 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.000 of questions about it, what exactly it is, But he 787 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.960 played some high school ball here for a school that 788 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.480 I don't know. But ut starting your rumors that BYU 789 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.320 might lock this guy in. And then I was told 790 00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:05.800 by somebody down there that they had him about two 791 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.280 weeks before he and his father went on first take 792 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.519 and shocked the world. Like my favorite part about that 793 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.280 was Stephen A. Smith essentially saying like, wait where is BYU? 794 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.599 Like he couldn't wrap his mind around the decision. And 795 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.039 so after that went down, I started watching tape on 796 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.480 the kid and like he is everything that everybody says. 797 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.280 You don't look at you don't see really any weaknesses. 798 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.920 Maybe he just improves on every area where he's already awesome. 799 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.079 I mean, he feels generational and this feels historic and BYU, 800 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.199 whether it's intentional or not, where they whether or not 801 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.920 they saw around corners is irrelevant because they've built the 802 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.719 staff Sean that is different than every staff in college basketball, 803 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.039 where the head coach was a high level NBA coach 804 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.639 who interviewed for several NBA jobs. His bench has two 805 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.920 former G League head coaches on it. Their strength and 806 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:57.920 conditioning coach came from the NBA. Their nutritionists was with 807 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.079 the Suns. It is a professional coaching staff, and obviously 808 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.280 they're collectives in order because the reports are he got 809 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.519 seven mil for five months of basketball And if you're 810 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.760 a Utah fan, you're looking down at this and you're going, well, 811 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.679 how do we compete with that? Which is tough to do. 812 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.000 But just give me your thoughts on that dynamic before 813 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:15.599 I say you lose. 814 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.679 Yeah, a couple of things. Number one, you're right about 815 00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:20.559 all those things. And you heard him in that interview 816 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.400 say exactly what you just said. They've got an NBA coach, 817 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.119 They've got an NBA strength coast, they have an NBA nutritionsness. 818 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:29.039 It's a good sell like no one else. I don't 819 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:32.639 know of anyone else is doing that. My hope is 820 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.400 this as a Utah fan. Calipari said it this year 821 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.559 when he moved, he said, I can't win with freshman anymore. 822 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.639 And that may be true because of COVID and you've 823 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.440 got these super seniors. But my hope is that that 824 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.880 continues to be a difficult task because they're going to 825 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.320 bring in one and done. That's just all there is 826 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:51.639 to it. 827 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:52.079 Now. 828 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.199 The question is can you win with them? 829 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.000 Yeah, Now, Kevin's got a show you can coach. There's 830 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.360 a little pressure, there's no doubt, all right, man, appreciate 831 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.119 the time. A great call tonight, and I'll just say, 832 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:03.239 let's hope it's a fair fight. 833 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:03.840 How about that. 834 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.039 Yeah, same, We're excited to be here. Thanks for having 835 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:07.599 me on, Spence. 836 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:08.519 Nice to talk to you minute. 837 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:09.119 Sean Moody. 838 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:12.880 What are the nicest guys out played basketball Utah in 839 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.639 the nineties. Now you can hear them alongside Bill Riley 840 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.320 on the call for Utah Ben hoops Utah men's basketball 841 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.239 in Ames, Iowa tonight at a place where Iowa State 842 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.920 does not lose, Hilton Coliseum. Iowa State has won currently 843 00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:30.599 twenty six straight home games. That's the fourth longest active 844 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.639 home win streaking Division one. Utah is a sixteen point 845 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.760 five point underdog, so we'll see if they can shock 846 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:37.159 the world. 847 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:37.800 All right? 848 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:39.159 When hour down, three hours to go. 849 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.039 Scott Mitchell joins us a little bit later on, but 850 00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:42.679 come it up next we'll do some jazz and MBA 851 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:43.320 with Tim McMahon. 852 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.199 So keep it right here, all. 853 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.000 Right, rolling along on the program today, My buddy brand 854 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:50.280 In from my Hearing Centers is live in studio. 855 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:51.199 Brandon. How are you doing man? 856 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:52.920 And I'm doing great. Spence, Thanks for having us. 857 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.519 I appreciate your time. So let's start here. 858 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:56.800 When's the best time to get hearing aids. I think 859 00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.280 people here like, oh, we're selling hearing aids, but I'm not. 860 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.000 Ninety's the best time to actually get your hearing checked. 861 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:06.119 You know, I'm almost fifty and I tell everybody once 862 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.760 you hit about our age, it's it's a good idea 863 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.360 to get your hearing testa just to find out where 864 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.239 you're at and get a benchmark. The reality is, the 865 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.599 cognitive decline that occurs for an individual with hearing loss 866 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.239 usually starts when they don't even notice they have it. 867 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.079 And so I always say, hey, the best time to 868 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.360 get a hearing aid is anytime you recognize you're missing 869 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.880 out on anything. And usually that comes from a family 870 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.039 member on your spouse of hey, yeah, you're not paying attention. 871 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.400 You're like, I heard you, I just didn't understand you. 872 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:34.920 And that's kind of the key. It's not what we 873 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.119 don't hear, it's maybe you didn't quite understand that. 874 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.480 Okay, tell me about the Smart Rick. What's that technology 875 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:40.320 were talking about today? 876 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.079 Yeah, so white X is you know one of the 877 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:44.199 big six manufacturers. 878 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:45.920 They have a phenomenal hearing aid out it's called the 879 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:46.440 smart Rick. 880 00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.760 And you know, in twenty years of fitting hearing aids, 881 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.320 I've never come across to hearing aid that's so sleek, 882 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:53.320 doesn't really look like. 883 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:53.840 A hearing aid. 884 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.880 It's very comfortable, has like the longest battery life of 885 00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.480 any hearing aid on the market right now. 886 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.880 And so you know the fact that most of us 887 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:03.719 put off. 888 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.599 Getting help because if we don't want to be seen 889 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.559 as old and with this clunky hearing aid that looks 890 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:09.400 like a Beijes banana. 891 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.119 You know, this doesn't look like it. 892 00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:12.800 It looks like a bluetooth, and so a lot of 893 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.239 people want to wear it. But it streams the bluetooth 894 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.760 that has a very long battery life, like thirty six hours. 895 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:20.840 It has a little charger it goes in that'll charge 896 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:22.559 them up five more times, you know, just like your 897 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.800 air pods or something like that. But it probably sounds 898 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:27.920 the most natural of any of the products we have 899 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.400 access to, and so you know, we've been fitting a 900 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:32.800 lot of people with that recently. 901 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.119 Excellent Brandon, what's the special offer you have for our 902 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:36.280 listeners who call you today? 903 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.400 Yeah, so those who call in right now will be 904 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.400 able to get in and get a free full diagnostic 905 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.639 herring evaluation to find out if you even need help 906 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.599 or not, and then from there, if it looks like 907 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.199 you could use help, we're going to fit you with 908 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:49.960 some hearing aids that you're going to try risk free 909 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.880 for thirty days. At the end of thirty days, if 910 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.360 you're not happy with it, we'll take it back. You know, 911 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:57.639 we have every manufacturer out there. We'll fit you with 912 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.840 something that works. 913 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.360 Van McMahon Van McMahon. 914 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.760 That is dud in old Land. 915 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.800 Texas flood as sick as mud. 916 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:18.119 He's man, Van McMahon, Van McMahon, these man, Man. 917 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.000 Good day to have our guy on the show. Tuesday afternoon. 918 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.320 An old friend is in town. Quinn Snyder and the 919 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.880 Atlanta Hawks are here to take on the Utah Jazz 920 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.960 and Van McMahon himself, Tim McMahon the first hit in 921 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:38.920 twenty twenty five. 922 00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:40.519 Timmy, Happy Tuesday. Are you doing? 923 00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:42.400 Hodie Barterer? 924 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.800 Misteriear great to have you on on a daylight today. First, 925 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.079 I just want to know your deepest and darkest secrets. 926 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.239 What are the New Year's resolutions? And are we still 927 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:50.639 on track? 928 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.159 They're the same old and I'm already off track, So 929 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.079 we'll see what we can do to. 930 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.000 Get back on track. 931 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.679 Makes two of us? Makes two of us? All right, weird, 932 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:01.400 weird question. 933 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:03.039 You're used to it right out of the gates here, 934 00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:08.360 How should How should jazz fans remember Quinn Snyder as 935 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.599 he's in town here coaching the Atlanta Hoks tonight. 936 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.760 I mean, I think they should remember him fondly. He 937 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.880 took over a total rebuild. You know, he helped build 938 00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.760 that franchise up to the point where we can debate 939 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.639 the semantics of contender. But you know, a team that 940 00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.400 was at the number one seed, a perennial playoff team, 941 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.360 you know, a very good team that just couldn't get. 942 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:34.360 Over the hump. 943 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.480 And then you know that inning wasn't the smoothest thing ever. 944 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.400 But honestly, it was time. It was time for that 945 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.440 chapter in jazz history to end, and it was going 946 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:49.039 to end whether Quinn decided that he was leaving or not. 947 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:53.440 So I think there should be nothing, but you know, 948 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:57.480 but cheers for Quinn Snyder. I do have a confession. 949 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:01.239 Have I told you the Quinn Snyder sounded Jesse Roff story? No? 950 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:02.599 And now it's all I want to hear. 951 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.960 Okay, So you know when I say Sally Jesse Rafael, 952 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:07.960 do you know what I'm talking about? 953 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:10.360 Okay? 954 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.800 So Quinn did not know that people referred to the 955 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:18.840 Red Frames as a Sally Jesse Rafael until my big 956 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:24.840 mouth flapped it to him in Vegas and he was mortified. 957 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:26.880 This is at the NBA Cup. I saw Quinn in 958 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:32.000 Vegas at the NBA Cup. You know you know that Quinn, yes, 959 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.679 just shoot up and like, oh my. 960 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.159 He could not believe that it was something that was 961 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.320 a discussion point. And he was like, he was like, 962 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.320 you know, I don't want to do anything extra to 963 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.239 bring attention to myself. I'm never going to wear those again. 964 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.760 I was like, come on, Quinn, sure enough, he's been 965 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.320 in the black frame since. I hope, I hope maybe 966 00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.599 he'll have he'll let it go. But some folks in 967 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.840 the Hawks front office thought it was pretty hilarious of 968 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.840 of their PR staff, their PR staff. Will we helped 969 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.320 to decide the next day and said, yeah, we've kind 970 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.599 of made a conscious decision not to fill him in. 971 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:09.199 On that one. 972 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.079 And sure sure enough, I opened my mouth and. 973 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.000 So much for the salary Jesse Rafiel. 974 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.280 And knowing Quinn he will not let that go. 975 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:23.039 Okay, I think, yeah, when when he didn't wear them, 976 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:25.360 when he didn't wear him the next name, I was like, 977 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:27.639 all right, then, I you know, I check in and 978 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:29.840 I you know, obviously when I turned the Hawks on 979 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.400 league pass, It's one of the first things I try 980 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:32.840 to see, Is. 981 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:33.480 He in him? 982 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:33.960 Is he in him? 983 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.360 I hope it's been those boring old black frames. And 984 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.679 I'd like to apologize to the UH to be super 985 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.960 nerdy and be a fan who who notices that sort 986 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.079 of thing, because I think I screwed it up for everybody. 987 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.760 That is hilarious because I was honestly wondering why he 988 00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.239 stopped wearing them and I did not know is because 989 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.880 you decided to openly mock him in front of people 990 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:54.679 that he works with. 991 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:55.440 That's great. 992 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.440 I meant it as a as a you know, as 993 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.719 a sar castic compliment, but I truly did enjoy. 994 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.599 Besides Jesse Ropeel. 995 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.480 And I know the look, and mostly I know the 996 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.280 look because I saw that look every time Andy Larson asked. 997 00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:11.719 Him a question. 998 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.719 Andy is definitely familiar with the look that although there 999 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.440 wasn't scorn for me, everyone's why Andy would. 1000 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:20.079 Draw some scorn. 1001 00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.639 There wasn't scorn for me, but there was definitely he 1002 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.679 was shocked and not thrilled. 1003 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.079 Yeah, I mean, I mean Will is pithy and sarcastic 1004 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.199 and dismissive. But Quinn will look through your soul, and 1005 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:36.840 yes he will. There were nights where I'd be like, Andy, 1006 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.760 you might want to leave early, dude, I don't know 1007 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:40.440 that you want to be walking on the street of 1008 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.000 Quinn's leaving. I wonder if you've noticed any because I've 1009 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.079 shared this anecdote several times and actually talked about it 1010 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:48.920 with frank Leyden a couple of weeks ago, who was 1011 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.639 on the show. When Quinn first took the job. I 1012 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.199 didn't know him well. And Hubie Brown, my guy. I 1013 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.239 was in town to call a game, and I knew 1014 00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.800 Hubie a little bit, you know, for just kind of 1015 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.400 being the business or whatever, enough to say hello and 1016 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.400 ask him questions. And he's always very gracious. And I 1017 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.639 asked him about Quinn. I said, you know, I know 1018 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.920 it's early, it's his first year. Seems really sharp, really bright, 1019 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:13.159 really organized. You know, what do you think? And hub 1020 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.239 said to me, oh, he's great, but he'll probably burn 1021 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.840 himself out in six or seven years. 1022 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:20.400 And it took I think it took eight. I think 1023 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.920 it was eight full years on the bench. 1024 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.280 And look, there are several reasons why he elected to 1025 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.920 leave and take some time off. But you know, I'll 1026 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:29.960 exchange the text with him here or there, but I 1027 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.400 don't see him and talk to him the way I 1028 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.320 used to. Have you noticed any growth as he's taken 1029 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.320 on this new opportunity or do you feel like this 1030 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.039 is going to be another like Quinn's going to burn 1031 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.519 the candle on both ends and maybe find something else 1032 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:44.280 to do in seven or eight years. 1033 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:49.000 Yeah, honestly, man, I think that that Quinn only knows 1034 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:50.840 one way, and that way it does not a glued 1035 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.360 to a lot of sleep like he's going to work 1036 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.239 around in the clock. He's you know, Quinn's a maniac. Yeah, 1037 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.519 he's a maniac genius, and that's just the way that 1038 00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.280 he's going to go about things. You know, Look, he 1039 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.039 took on a challenging job too. You know, if he 1040 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.119 had taken my advice, he probably would have waited and 1041 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.519 waited out that summer and kind of been the had 1042 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.800 a choice of some gigs, but he took really the 1043 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:16.800 first job that came open. Remember that was a mid 1044 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.960 season and hiring in Atlanta, and I didn't see a 1045 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:21.599 whole lot of promise. I didn't see a whole lot 1046 00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:26.079 of potential to really the credit of the front office 1047 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:29.360 and to Quinn, they have put together a really nice 1048 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.639 young core, and you know, I think this is where 1049 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.760 Quinn is kind of like just in his element when 1050 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.760 he's developing. You know, he's putting something together, he's building 1051 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.920 something up. They still have challenges in terms of future 1052 00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:46.440 picks are being you know, out the door, but I 1053 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.400 think he's invigorated by being able to work with you know, 1054 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.000 Dyson Daniels. I mean, he was absolutely out of it. Hey, 1055 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.639 if we're making this trend, we have to get Dyson Daniels. 1056 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.639 Jalen Johnson, who you know, people are starting to figure 1057 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.119 out is really one of the great young players in 1058 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.800 the league. You know, a couple other young guys on 1059 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.519 that roster. But you know, is Quinn going to be 1060 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:13.039 a guy who last one place forever and ever? I'm 1061 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.159 not sure about that, But I do think he's enjoined 1062 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.159 kind of the opportunity and the challenges that he has 1063 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:20.159 right now with the Hawks. 1064 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.440 Systematically, is it kind of the same deal that he 1065 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.360 ran while he was here. I mean, obviously a lot 1066 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.679 of it is catered towards the personnel you have, and 1067 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.760 Trey Young is a ball in hand guy, unlike I mean, 1068 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.559 Donovan is certainly a ball in hand guy, but they're 1069 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:36.119 different players. Is this team tonight, You're gonna be running 1070 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.360 a system that Jazz fans aren't familiar with because it's 1071 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:40.360 quinn system, or is a little bit different based off 1072 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:40.960 the personnel. 1073 00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:42.119 You know. 1074 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.920 I think that Quinn's system is like the great coaches 1075 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.400 don't fit players into their system. They fit a system 1076 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.480 around the talent that they have. Why were the Jazz 1077 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.840 such a heavy pick and roll team because that played 1078 00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.280 to the strengths of the best players. You know, that 1079 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.719 played to the strength of not just Donovan Mitchell, but 1080 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.239 especially Rudy Gobert. You know, I think it is similar 1081 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.679 with the Hawks, just because Srey Young is one of 1082 00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.280 the best pick and roll playmakers in the NBA. You know, 1083 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.000 the Capel is not the springy guy that he used 1084 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:18.440 to be, but you know, he's still a capable finisher 1085 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.199 of congou those sort of things. So I think there's similarities. 1086 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.000 But like I said, I don't think that Quinn would 1087 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.760 run the same system if he was coaching thirty different teams. 1088 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.639 I think that he would certainly adapt and tweak and 1089 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.519 maybe even bring in completely new chapters of. 1090 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.400 A playbook based on his circumstances. 1091 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.960 Yeah, now that's well said. Be interesting to kind of 1092 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.320 see how this rolls tonight. Now, the Jazz have been 1093 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:45.559 a little bit better as of late, and you know 1094 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.079 the name, and it's kind of really making the rounds 1095 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.320 because of a couple of games of just elite shot 1096 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.679 making his Brice Sensiba and you know, they're sitting a 1097 00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:56.599 lot of guys like we knew they would, and Will 1098 00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.880 tends to maximize whatever talent he has at his disposal. 1099 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:01.480 They go down to. 1100 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.400 Florida and they take care of a Heat team that's 1101 00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.239 a little bit dysfunctional right now. And the Magic team, unfortunately, 1102 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.079 after that great start, just can't get healthy and it 1103 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:10.840 doesn't look like they'll be healthy. 1104 00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.679 For a while. So no one's hanging banners. 1105 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.639 But Bryce is shot making over the past few games 1106 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.840 is something we haven't seen before. 1107 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.760 Is there a chance they may have found something? 1108 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.719 Because ultimately their walking line was to get back in 1109 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:25.239 to the end of the first round. Decide to make 1110 00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:27.920 that pick was because Bryce was available, and most of 1111 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.199 that is because he was an elite shot maker and 1112 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.639 scorer at Ohio State, and it's taken some time to 1113 00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.880 manifest could this be a player that maybe we haven't 1114 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.840 paid enough attention to. 1115 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.320 Well, first of all, you say, nobody's hanging banners, and 1116 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:44.920 if they take my encouragement, they will absolutely hang a 1117 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:48.079 Florida State championship banner tonight and halftime. 1118 00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.719 Don't tempt us, don't tempt us to listen. 1119 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.719 You earn that, by the way, that magic team that's 1120 00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.480 completely gonna buy injuries went up and won a Madison 1121 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.800 Square Garden. Yeah they did last night. But as far 1122 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:04.840 as since mug goes, look, these young guys, at some 1123 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.000 time or another, they're all going to have significant opportunity. 1124 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:10.880 And obviously the Jazz are looking for guys who take 1125 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:12.159 advantage of that, looking. 1126 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:13.599 For guys who pop. 1127 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.880 And you know, since a Bah clearly has been popping recently. 1128 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.159 And you know, as you mentioned like his hope to 1129 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.360 be a you know, to have a nice, long, productive 1130 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.039 NBA career, he's got to be a bucket like. He's 1131 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:33.599 not a super dynamic athlete. He's not, you know, going 1132 00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:36.559 to be some kind of lockdown defender, you know, can 1133 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:41.079 he be a big time bucket getter And it's flashes, 1134 00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.519 But that's what you want to see from these young guys, 1135 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.159 you want to see flashes, and then you want to 1136 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:46.519 see those flashes. 1137 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.039 Kind of forming a consistency. 1138 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.400 Uh So you know step one is the flashes. And 1139 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.000 he's had some big time scoring performances lately. 1140 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.239 Yeah, and he's a pure shooter when he can get 1141 00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.960 a shot off if the defense isn't paying attention to him. 1142 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.760 I mean, he really does have a chance to get 1143 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.000 buckets and score points, which is he he has over 1144 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.239 the past couple of games. And we'll see who they 1145 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.239 play tonight. We'll see who the Jazz elect to play 1146 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:12.199 moving forward. But one of the things that we continue 1147 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.760 to monitor here. Anytime somebody over at your spot at 1148 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:19.159 ESPN or the Athletic or whatever decides to talk about 1149 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.320 the trade deadline, the Jazz are inevitably brought up. And 1150 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.199 one name Tim that I keep hearing, and maybe it's 1151 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.400 just I don't know. I feel like there's this thing 1152 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.079 where maybe media members and other markets see a player 1153 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:31.840 here playing. 1154 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:33.320 Well and they're like, oh, we could get him. 1155 00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.599 I just keep hearing that Dandy and Justin are taking 1156 00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.199 calls about Walker, and I just can't really wrap my 1157 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:39.880 mind around it. 1158 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:40.559 I don't know. 1159 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.760 Everybody's tradable Okay, I'm not saying there isn't an offer 1160 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.280 out there for Walker Kessler, but based off of what 1161 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.280 we've seen this year and his age and how much 1162 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.159 they like him, I don't know that I'd even take 1163 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.519 phone calls on him right now unless somebody's gonna blow 1164 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:53.280 my socks off. 1165 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.840 I mean, you take phone calls, but those phone calls 1166 00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:01.079 in pretty quickly unless that unless somebody is making you 1167 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.199 with the type of offer that you can refuse. And look, 1168 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.000 the Jazz took a ton of phone calls on Walker 1169 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.760 Kessler over the summer, and obviously he did not get moved. 1170 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.320 There was a lot of interest in him. There was 1171 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:15.559 a lot of teams calling and trying to kind of 1172 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.760 buy low. He didn't get moved in and the stock 1173 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.800 has gone up, like you know, look, it's not a 1174 00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.039 winning situation, but you have to be able to evaluate 1175 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:32.239 individual development and individual performance, you know, in those circumstances. 1176 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.239 And look, he's having a good year. I mean he 1177 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.360 came back. And I remember, I think I told you 1178 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.360 this when I saw the Jazz in pre season here 1179 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:44.320 in Dallas. The first thing Will Hardy said to me 1180 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.079 was wait until you see Kesler. He had a great summer, 1181 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:50.480 you know, and I was like, okay, that's interesting. Then 1182 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.719 you know, hashtag muscle watch. But the guy was clearly 1183 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.239 in the weight room all summer, you know, bulked up 1184 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.599 and it's good weight. I think he was able to 1185 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.159 kind of a summer away from it. You know, he 1186 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.360 went to Summer League, but you know, not Team USA 1187 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:06.159 and all that kind of stuff. With the World Cup, 1188 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:08.760 I was able for him to kind of refresh mentally. 1189 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:10.360 And he's done. 1190 00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:13.920 Everything that they were hoping to see from him this season. 1191 00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:18.360 I'm not saying there's no way that he's traded. I'm 1192 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.039 saying it's going to be awfully pricey to even tempt 1193 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:22.840 the Jazz's front office. 1194 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.599 At the risk of a Tim McMahon eye roll on 1195 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:26.599 the other end of the phone. 1196 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:27.719 And I know what that looks like. 1197 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.239 I'm just gonna ask you this because we are in 1198 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:33.159 Salt Lake City, and we'll move over to other things. 1199 00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.440 But the fact of the matter is marketing's numbers across 1200 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.519 the border all the way down. Now, that's not to 1201 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.280 me any indicator that he's not the player that he 1202 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:42.880 once was. 1203 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.360 His minutes are about the same at thirty two. 1204 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.679 He's been incrementally held out here or there, but nineteen 1205 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.199 points six boards, all of this splits are down. I mean, 1206 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.800 is there anything there there at all? 1207 00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:58.920 I'll be honest with you, I have not inquired with 1208 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:03.880 anybody in UH in the organization recently about that. I 1209 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:07.599 would be surprised. There's a whole lot of concern. You know, honestly, 1210 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.480 he's a veteran guy. We understand what this season is 1211 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:17.159 for the Utah Jazz. I'm sure it's probably difficult for 1212 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.320 him to be dialed in on a day to day 1213 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.199 basis the way that you know, he probably would be 1214 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:30.159 in a more competitive situation. I personally don't think there's 1215 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.760 any massive reason for concern. And like I said, I 1216 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.159 I can I can speculate that the probably isn't within 1217 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:40.920 the organization, but I would be I would be misleading 1218 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.800 you if I had told you I'd been asked about 1219 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:44.639 him a lot lately. 1220 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.760 Fair Enough, we had at Haberstrow yesterday. 1221 00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.159 We had bontemps last week, and they both had different 1222 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.159 answers about how this. Jimmy Butler Soger will and you 1223 00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:56.280 just you don't mess with Pat. You just don't don't 1224 00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.320 mess with Pat Riley. It's the wrong guy. To mess with. 1225 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.079 And the weird thing is that if you're Miami, there's 1226 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.760 not a ton of incentive to like move him. It 1227 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.719 actually might behoove them to hold on to him and 1228 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.639 let him hit free agency for cap flexibility, so like 1229 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.800 they don't have to do anything. But this feels untenable. 1230 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.760 He's been suspended, and there are a lot of rumors 1231 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:18.639 concerning some teams who you cover, like Memphis, and then 1232 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:22.360 other teams like maybe Golden State, Phoenix, potentially Milwaukee. Just 1233 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.800 give me your best guess, how do you think this 1234 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:24.960 thing ends with Jimmy Butler. 1235 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.360 I mean, it's intentionally untenable, Like Jimmy has accomplished his 1236 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:34.679 short term goal of making the situation as uncomfortable as 1237 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:35.800 it could possibly be. 1238 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:38.280 I don't think that pat. 1239 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.360 Ryley the Heats are going to be bullied in to 1240 00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:42.599 make him what they would consider to be a bad 1241 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:47.719 deal at this point. Would they make a neutral deal, 1242 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:52.039 you know, would they make a deal where they're getting 1243 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.079 some sort of draft capital and no long term salary. 1244 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.039 I think they do that because I think it has 1245 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.360 reached a point where they're just think, hey, let's just 1246 00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:02.760 let's just get rid of the headache, which again, that's 1247 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.760 that's Jimmy doing exactly what he set out to do. 1248 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.719 There's a long time till the trade deadline. 1249 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.159 I would lean. 1250 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:19.039 Towards then probably figuring something out. And look, if they 1251 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.320 figure something out, maybe it's a three team, maybe it's 1252 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.679 a four team. You know, certainly the Jazz I'm sure 1253 00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.239 involved on the periphery of that where maybe there's a 1254 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.599 way for them to kind of wiggle in there and 1255 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:35.039 get some sort of value, you know, for for the future. 1256 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.559 It's not going to be easy though, for a lot 1257 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:44.239 of reasons. One his salary, to his personality. Three his age. 1258 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.000 You know, for all the talk of he's definitely going 1259 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:49.159 to turn down a player option, I will believe that 1260 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:51.519 he turns down fifty two million dollars for next season 1261 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.599 when it actually happens. It's a it's a complicated thing 1262 00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:58.280 for many, many different reasons. 1263 00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.159 Tell me what you think John Moran had. 1264 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.880 What questions you think Jaw has answered this year as 1265 00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.760 Memphis is back to where we're accustomed to seeing them 1266 00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:09.679 when John Moran is healthy. And look, I don't know 1267 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:12.639 if it's a real reclamation story, but as of now, 1268 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:14.840 nothing's hit the news and they're a good team and 1269 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:18.000 when he's in the lineup, he reminds us of who 1270 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:21.440 he is when all the noises kind of blocked out. 1271 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.280 But you cover this team, you know the situation. 1272 00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:26.000 Well, what is there anything you think Ja has set 1273 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.679 up to this point that is encouraging if you're a Grizzlies. 1274 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.320 Fan, Listen, I think the biggest question that he's answered 1275 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.440 is Kim John Morant avoid, you know, just shooting himself 1276 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:42.840 in the foot metaphorically obviously indeed by. 1277 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:43.599 Doing dumb things. 1278 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:48.800 And it has been fortunately very quiet around him for 1279 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.239 over a year now. And you know that's including a 1280 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:54.440 lot of time where he had idle time. I mean, 1281 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.039 he was traveling with the team last year when he 1282 00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.719 was hurt, and I was very intentional to keep him involved, 1283 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:05.079 him in that team environment and focus. But I'm not 1284 00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.400 saying that that Joe is going to be getting his 1285 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.840 wee blow badges from the Voice Scouts or as a 1286 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:14.119 Cup Scouts, whatever it is, anytime soon. But there's not 1287 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.559 the rumblings that there were about him, you know, a 1288 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:20.800 year and a half ago, fifteen months ago, And so 1289 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.199 that's the biggest thing. If Josh stays out of his 1290 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:25.840 own way, he's going to have a chance to have 1291 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:29.360 a Hall of Fame type of career, you know. Unfortunately, 1292 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:31.920 the other big question with him is about durability. That's 1293 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.519 again been a challenge. You know, He's had a couple 1294 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.239 of pretty significant entries so far this season. He's already 1295 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.880 not going to be eligible for all NBA. But man, 1296 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:46.440 you know, that is a deep team that is difficult 1297 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.559 to prepare for. They do have a unique system among 1298 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:54.920 NBA teams these days, and if John and desen Bay 1299 00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:57.480 and j Jackson Junior are all healthy going to the playoffs, 1300 00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.280 I think they will have a chance to make some noise. 1301 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:01.719 What can you tell us? 1302 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.760 That's the most recent take on just how dominant okay 1303 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.840 See has been. They've ran fifteen straight off and it's 1304 01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:10.880 not just who they are now, it's what that front 1305 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:11.559 office has. 1306 01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:12.960 Built them to be moving forward. 1307 01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:16.239 As Bobby Mark says, we've talked about released the draft 1308 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.360 capital rankings, the Jazz were four. OKAC has won and 1309 01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.960 they've also won fifteen straight games and they're thirty and 1310 01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.960 five everything in the case. They're a dominant team out 1311 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.440 this way. What's the latest Tim mcman take on this 1312 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:29.599 recent run from Okac. 1313 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.760 Well, first of all cannot wait to watch Kaz versus 1314 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.679 Thunder tomorrow and then I'll be live when they play 1315 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:41.159 again at OKC on the sixteenth. So, I mean, both 1316 01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:44.199 these teams are on seventy win paces. It's the first 1317 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.159 time we've had teams on that kind of pace. Two 1318 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.880 teams at this point of the season says seventy one 1319 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.320 seventy two when it was the Bucks and Lakers, Kareem 1320 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:57.320 versus Willed, that's a pretty heavy company. So this is 1321 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.000 I know Cleveland, Oklahoma City might not be the maorrow 1322 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.880 because the NBA would have selected, but they these two 1323 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:06.960 teams are awfully good. You're talking about the number one 1324 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.400 offense of the Cavaliers versus the number one defense with 1325 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:14.280 the Thunder jego to Salazander. To me, it's a two 1326 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.079 horse race for MVP at this point, between him and Joker, 1327 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:21.840 he's Unbelievabley he's you know, does it just scores thirty 1328 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.360 plus officially and does everything else that you can possibly 1329 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:29.199 want out of a superstar. But how dominant has this 1330 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.079 Thunder team been. Here's a stat for you. I'll even 1331 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.199 throw in the NBA Cup Final, even though it doesn't 1332 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:38.000 officially count. They are twenty seven and three, when they've 1333 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:38.920 had a seven foot are. 1334 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:40.760 Available for the entire game. 1335 01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.360 Three of their losses one came today to night to 1336 01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:46.960 check out or which you got to hurt in the 1337 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.800 first half, and then two of those have a losses 1338 01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.519 came during that brief little stretch when Chet was already 1339 01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.440 out and Hart and Steinhatan recovers from his broken hand. 1340 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.360 They haven't had those guys playing together for a single second. Deal, 1341 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.519 let me think about that. And by the way, Caruso 1342 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.480 hasn't played a whole lot. He's been dealing to Hit 1343 01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:09.559 for a while, so they haven't had Chet or you know, 1344 01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:12.639 for whatever, it's been a couple of months. Now Caruso's 1345 01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:16.719 playing a little bit. Those are two all defensive dudes, 1346 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.239 and they are the number one defense in the NBA 1347 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:21.719 by over three and a half points per one hundred possessions. 1348 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:26.440 Oh and then they've got an MVP, if not front runner, 1349 01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:30.000 you know, big time candidate who scores thirty plus with 1350 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.760 remarkable efficiency on a not just remarkable efficiency, but day 1351 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:36.719 very rare. 1352 01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:37.800 He has a done game. 1353 01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:39.519 He had one in the NBA Cup Final. 1354 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:40.119 I'll give you that. 1355 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.119 And there, Matt, you can pretty much pencil in thirty 1356 01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:46.679 on decent efficiency from him every single. 1357 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:48.440 Night, and they're so fun. 1358 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:50.119 Man, They're fun to watch, which is good for a 1359 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.199 league that's looking for teams that people want to latch 1360 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.039 onto that isn't their own team. Before I set you loose, 1361 01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:56.960 since you brought up the Cavs, we started the show 1362 01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:57.400 off with this. 1363 01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.000 I mean, Donovan has shown some growth. 1364 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:01.920 He's playing winning basketball in a way that he has 1365 01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.440 that he didn't hear. He admitted in a piece with 1366 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.800 The Athletic that he's trying on defense now and all 1367 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.679 of us were like, thanks, dude, but whatever, what are 1368 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:12.320 you willing to say about this? 1369 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:13.559 Thirty one and four start? 1370 01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.000 Boston is still the clear favorite everywhere, But what are 1371 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:17.559 you willing to say about how real this is? 1372 01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:18.199 With Cleveland? 1373 01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:21.079 Listen, man, thirty one and four. 1374 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.280 I'm not going to sit there and tell you that's 1375 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.199 a fluke if they just came to Dallas and look, 1376 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.719 they were playing the mass without Luke and Kyriad. But 1377 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:32.079 there were times I was gasping watching that game, just 1378 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:34.559 the way that the Balls movie. I mean, Donvan made 1379 01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:37.679 some passes, and their hockey is his type of passes, 1380 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:41.000 but he made some passes that I was like, whoa. 1381 01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:44.480 And I had a good talk with Donovan afterward, sat 1382 01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:46.599 down with him for about ten minutes or so before 1383 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:50.159 they left the arena, and like, you look at just 1384 01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:54.079 his counting stats, they're down. That's not like a coincidence 1385 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.679 and it's not a bad thing. You know, he's gotten 1386 01:03:56.719 --> 01:04:01.559 over needing to you know, really kind of establish himself 1387 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:07.039 as a superstar honestly, even worrying about Datus or this 1388 01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:09.440 and that, the guys at a point in his career 1389 01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.519 where he just wants to win. And he recognized that 1390 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.320 him doing a little bit less one puts him in 1391 01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.639 a position hopefully to be much fresher come playoff time, 1392 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:20.559 to be able to finish strong, to be able to 1393 01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:24.280 you know, to feel good physically for an entire playoff run. 1394 01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:28.639 But it's letting Darius Starlin really have have some more 1395 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:32.400 rope and thrive. And you know, the thing that Donovan 1396 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.400 kept coming back to though, as he said, Evan e 1397 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:39.639 fan mobiley Like again, it might not show them necessarily 1398 01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.800 the numbers, but they feel like Evan Mobley has made 1399 01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:46.400 a leap this year and that has been just a 1400 01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.199 massive development for a team that was a good team 1401 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:49.760 last year. 1402 01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:51.920 You know it was a second round playoff. 1403 01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:56.000 Team, but wasn't a contender. There's no question they're a continuer. 1404 01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:58.920 Now K beat the Celtics in a playoff series. I 1405 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.559 don't know, but I think it's possible. I don't know 1406 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:05.880 if they will, but they better be taken seriously because again, 1407 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.119 we all go thirty one and four for a plus 1408 01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:11.440 twelve net rating and have would be some sort of fluke. 1409 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.280 That was an unbelievable hit. 1410 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.400 And the only thing I can think about is how 1411 01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:18.559 badly I wish I was there standing next to you 1412 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.760 when you asked Quinn about his Sally Jesse Raphael Glasses, 1413 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:23.199 because that must have been. 1414 01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:24.920 A moment to remember. 1415 01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:28.920 Man, But great stuff today, Be well, travel safe, chat soon. 1416 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:32.639 Okay, I do have great regrets now that we will 1417 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:34.039 never see the red frames again. 1418 01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.400 I apologize to be an NBA fandom for that. 1419 01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:37.119 There we go. 1420 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:41.239 There is Tim McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN, covers 1421 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.840 the Jazz for ESPN when the Jazz are worth covering 1422 01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:47.159 respectfully At ESPN Underscore McMahon is where. 1423 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:51.880 You find him. Were you familiar with so? Oh? Man? 1424 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:54.519 I guess now Tim spilled the beans. 1425 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:59.039 This was not public knowledge prior to but Quinn Snyder, 1426 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:00.679 former coach of the jazz As in town with the 1427 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.320 Atlanta Hawks to start the year, broke out these red 1428 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:08.440 framed glasses because Quinn a couple of years ago started 1429 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:10.360 wearing glass He wore glasses while he was here, but 1430 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.639 only to like read box scores, didn't need them when 1431 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.239 he was coaching, And then I think it was last 1432 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:19.239 year that started this year started wearing the red framed glasses, 1433 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.079 and folks on the internet started referring to them as 1434 01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:25.800 the Sally Jesse Raphael glasses. But Quinn didn't know that, 1435 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:31.199 and so Tim, in all of his tactful glory, runs 1436 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.559 into Quinn Snyder in Vegas and asks him about the 1437 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:38.639 Sally Jesse Raphael rims to his glasses. 1438 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:41.199 Quinn didn't know that people were saying that about him. 1439 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.000 Apparently he was so mortified that since that interaction he's 1440 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.559 only wearing black framed glasses. 1441 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:48.639 Were you aware of this dynamic? Are you just learning 1442 01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:49.199 in real time? 1443 01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:51.920 I had just heard about it, but I also am 1444 01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:56.320 a little lost on it. That's like the only time 1445 01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.599 I've seen those glasses. Is she the like tabloidy like 1446 01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:00.920 Jerry Springery. 1447 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:02.000 Lady talk show host. 1448 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.000 I never liked, okay, I was never like cramming Sally 1449 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.039 Jesse Jesse Raphael episodes. 1450 01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:08.159 I don't know much about. 1451 01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:13.039 Her, but yeah, that's uh. I saw them as Quinn 1452 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:18.280 snyderglasses just as much as as that. But yeah, I 1453 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.840 don't put it past him to to make Quinn feel bad. 1454 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:22.440 That hit got a little loose. 1455 01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.840 He made a gun metaphor reference when talking about John Moran. 1456 01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.480 Then he brought up the Boy Scouts. Yeah, uh, boy 1457 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.079 Scouts canceled, right. I believe they've been, aren't. 1458 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:36.000 They, you know, in a large form. I mean, I 1459 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.000 think that got loose a little bit, so I. 1460 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.880 Think, yeah, I thought they did away. I thought that. 1461 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:42.920 I don't mean to be insensitive. I just thought the 1462 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.920 Boy Scouts were very clearly problematic and are no longer 1463 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:46.239 a thing. 1464 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:48.039 I think there might be like some sort of thing 1465 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:50.400 still going on. I had a good experience. I won 1466 01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:52.039 the Pinewood Derby, even though I cheated. 1467 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:53.519 Who didn't cheat? 1468 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:56.440 Okay, if you didn't cheat in the pine Wood Pinewood 1469 01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:59.480 Dirt Derby, you weren't trying exactly. Everyone cheated and I won, 1470 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:02.320 so good for you. I would have beat you. I 1471 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.639 don't know about that. It was that was the car 1472 01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:07.519 right Pinewood, Derby's the car. What was the like the 1473 01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:11.440 boat thing with the propeller on the string? Remember that 1474 01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:14.760 one kind of I would say, I had a fine 1475 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:16.000 experience with boy Scouts. 1476 01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:18.880 Not like that everyone at no what do you want 1477 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:19.000 to know? 1478 01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:19.239 Why? 1479 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:22.720 My poor mother, Every time I talk about this, it 1480 01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.479 just breaks your heart. I got every merit badge I 1481 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.439 needed by the time I was sixteen years old. All 1482 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.239 I had left was my Eagle project and I never 1483 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.520 did it. And my mom kept saying, all right, just 1484 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.199 your eagle because my parents did the thing where they're like, hey, 1485 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:38.720 you're not gonna be able to drive until you get 1486 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.520 your eagle Scout. But I knew, being the oldest of 1487 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:44.239 six kids, you need me to pick kids up from school. 1488 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.039 You're not keeping me, you know, from driving, So I 1489 01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:51.239 slow played it. Turned sixteen, Mom's like, hey, what's to 1490 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.199 do with the eagle project? And my totally on it. 1491 01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:55.439 Totally was not because I was so over Scouts at 1492 01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.399 that point. I didn't like it. I didn't have any 1493 01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.520 friends in Scouts. I thought it was weird and sorry. 1494 01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:03.920 The leaders are just like a even the good ones. 1495 01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:06.960 There's just this feel you know what, I'm gonna pivot 1496 01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:07.920 out of this segment. 1497 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:08.319 Okay. 1498 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:12.359 Bottom line is this, I got everything I needed and 1499 01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:15.720 I didn't finish my Eagle Scout project, and so I finished. 1500 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.800 I believe that's life right underneath the eagle. So I'm 1501 01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:19.439 a life scout. 1502 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:22.479 Okay, I I you know I think lesser of you 1503 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:24.439 a little bit. Now, Yeah, that's fair. You know I 1504 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:26.239 thought you were an eagle scout. That's fair. Are you 1505 01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:26.920 an eagle scout? 1506 01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:29.960 You're not an eagle are I'm not an eagle scout, 1507 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.920 But I mean, come on, I don't need to be. 1508 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:35.680 No, I mean conetiquette exactly, thank you. I don't need 1509 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.239 to I know how to tie two or three knots. 1510 01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:39.880 I'm good. That's all I need. You can start a fire. 1511 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.720 I always felt like eagle Scouts they're like golfers. Have 1512 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.159 I told you my pro golfer theory. There's no such 1513 01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:49.600 Every golfer is a nerd. Every single golfers golfer is 1514 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:53.640 a nerd, and most Eagle Scouts are goobs. Didn't have friends, 1515 01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.760 didn't have social activities, or their parents just made them 1516 01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:57.119 get it. 1517 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:01.640 So eagle scouts, golfers. They're all nerds. Give me one cool. 1518 01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.960 Golfer exception, man, I would allow you Ricky Fowler. But 1519 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:06.760 he's even a little bit of a goob. If you've 1520 01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.680 ever heard him interview, he tucks his ears into his hat. Dude, 1521 01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.399 well said, and golf apologists to be like, Dude, Tiger's cool. 1522 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.760 I'm like, are you are you kidding? Tiger Nerd? Look nerd. 1523 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.600 I'm not using it as a bad connotation. No nerds 1524 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:24.760 run the world, Okay, they own companies. A lot of 1525 01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:27.319 them are great golfers. It's not a it's not a knock, 1526 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:31.000 but they're like, no cool golfers. John Day maybe, but 1527 01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.119 that's just because he's a lunatic. 1528 01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:36.600 Right, That one's like an outlier extreme. I will say 1529 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.479 this only because I know him. Markomir is like the 1530 01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:42.800 normalst most normal dude you'll ever run. Cool dad energy 1531 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.319 just like yeah, like a dad that fly fishes and 1532 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:48.079 snowboll bills and happens to have a green jacket. 1533 01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:51.960 You would never know that that was his post past career. 1534 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:54.479 What a great life. Yeah, I want to come back 1535 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:55.159 as you know what. 1536 01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:58.399 I actually watched a documentary because I couldn't fall asleep 1537 01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.880 last night, because you know that's just the deal with 1538 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.560 your guy on the two thousand and eight Ryder Cup 1539 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:06.680 and Kenny Perry seems like a cool dad, energy like 1540 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:10.960 golfer guy from Kentucky. So I'll offer Kenny Perry, but 1541 01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.840 golfers and nerds, Eagle Scouts nerds. It's like you may 1542 01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:18.119 have played this bump intentionally based off of how loose 1543 01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:18.760 last segment? 1544 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.840 God, is there anything there? Am I I'm not reading 1545 01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:22.479 too much into it. 1546 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.119 I be guess I could have, but that wasn't It 1547 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.840 wasn't intention Some Almond Brothers which song I'm no angel. 1548 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.720 Yeah that's what I figured, but yeah, not enough Almond 1549 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:33.800 Brothers and this one is not listed. It's just listed 1550 01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:35.560 as Greg Almonds, so I didn't know that we actually 1551 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:35.840 had it. 1552 01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:38.399 All right, Well, Greg did some solo work, love me 1553 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:39.199 some Almond Brothers. 1554 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:39.680 As you know. 1555 01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.279 Yeah, we got a little loose last segment. Do we 1556 01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:44.760 need to apologize to the boy Scouts of America after 1557 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:45.399 last segment? 1558 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.279 Or may do you think? 1559 01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:48.399 So? 1560 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.000 Okay? All right, Yeah we traversed a little bit of 1561 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:51.600 a loose space. 1562 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:53.840 But I think I did a decent job of exiting 1563 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:56.239 states left gutting out that got out of the situation. 1564 01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:59.319 Tim McMahon joined us last segment to talk a little 1565 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:03.520 jazz that little jazz Hawks. How will you remember the 1566 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:05.640 Quinn Snyder era here? I mean, you were at a 1567 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.840 lot of those media availabilities. And Tim told a really 1568 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:12.199 funny anecdote where he was in Vegas and made a 1569 01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:16.800 crack about Quinn's new glasses. And ever since Quinn heard 1570 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.880 Tim's crack, he's worn different glasses because apparently he hurt 1571 01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:23.159 his feelings. And when Tim described the look that Quinn 1572 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.680 gave him, all I could think about is how often 1573 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:31.279 Quinn looked through Andy Larson's soul. Andy would ask Quinn 1574 01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:34.279 a question draped in the of course, I'm smarter than 1575 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:38.399 everybody else, Andy Larson snark, My guy love him. But 1576 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:41.039 and I would be in the room and I would 1577 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:44.439 You could feel the tension, And there were nights around 1578 01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:45.920 like Andy, you got to get out of here, Dady, 1579 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:47.920 you got to go home before Quinn has the ability 1580 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:51.239 to find you. But whenever I had a chance to 1581 01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:54.439 talk to him, and whenever he because it's crazy to 1582 01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:57.760 think about this, Gordon and myself, we had Quinn Snyder 1583 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.920 and Dennis Lindsay on our show every single week during 1584 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.800 the Jazz season, and nobody gets access to players and 1585 01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:07.880 coaches anymore ever. I mean, the Jazz make them available 1586 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:09.800 for everybody a couple of times a year, but as 1587 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.600 far as one off interviews, nobody gets them ever. So 1588 01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:14.520 I was fortunate enough to get to know him, and 1589 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.720 he really is a good guy. He really is a 1590 01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:20.640 nice man, but he is maniacal, and I think he 1591 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:24.199 brought that team to the precipice of something as special 1592 01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:25.760 as anything we've seen since the nineties. 1593 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:27.840 But you covered Quinn. How do you remember the Quinn 1594 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:28.640 Snyder years here? 1595 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:32.000 Yeah, well, as you kind of alluded to the one 1596 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:36.000 thing that you you really can't not look at with 1597 01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:39.800 Quinn as he's intense. He is one of the more 1598 01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:43.560 I don't know how else to explain it, but intensity 1599 01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:48.560 is is how he addresses not just basketball, but like 1600 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.279 just looking at you in the eyes. Right, It's something 1601 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:53.520 that you can't really escape from with Quinn. But I 1602 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.319 don't think it's necessarily a negative thing. I think it 1603 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.640 may be snowballed at the end and added to negativity 1604 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.079 that was surrounding the Jazz, right, But I don't think 1605 01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:07.680 Quinn was ever the source of that. I think he's 1606 01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:11.960 a really, really good basketball coach. I think he is 1607 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:17.840 a phenomenal a phenomenal schematic mind, and in game I 1608 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:20.079 think he's really good as well, his out of bound stuff, 1609 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:24.640 his his his adjustments during games. I think Quinn Snyder 1610 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.720 is among the better coaches in the league. But there 1611 01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:31.079 is that side of him that you talked about while 1612 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:33.640 he was here. We talked about before he hung it 1613 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:37.479 up here at Utah, and we kept it at the 1614 01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:40.359 front of Jazz fan's mind because we kind of saw 1615 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:43.640 it coming. And that was the fact that he operates 1616 01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:49.880 in such a direct, in like fervent way that you 1617 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:54.399 get tired of it yourself. Quinn does right and it 1618 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.640 seemed like he burned out in Utah, needed a reset, 1619 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.680 needed a little bit of a chain of scenery, and 1620 01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.159 has got that in Atlanta. I think a tough job 1621 01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:06.319 that he took is Tim alluded to, and is doing 1622 01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:09.439 a think pretty good job there as well. But if 1623 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.880 you give Quinn Snyder the right roster, the right staff, 1624 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.840 the right everything around him, I think he's one of 1625 01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:20.720 the best coaches in the league. But that's that's part 1626 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:22.479 of this game is that you could be a really 1627 01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:25.279 good coach, and if you're not surrounded with the right pieces, 1628 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:28.279 or you're surrounded with chaos, you know, a couple off 1629 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.399 seasons ago here in Salt Lake City, it's just not 1630 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.960 gonna work. And that's kind of how I look at 1631 01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:34.159 Quinn Snyder's. 1632 01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:36.000 Stint here. 1633 01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:38.840 Really good on the floor, really good coach, and it 1634 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:44.319 ended partly partly thanks to his intensity, but it really 1635 01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:45.640 was more the stuff around him. 1636 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:48.760 Yeah, and you know, a lot of this stuff is anecdotal, 1637 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.800 and I'm always the guy that chuckles at the narratives 1638 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.039 we create around teams and coaches and players after they 1639 01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:59.600 start winning. Oh, the culture, they're an extension of the 1640 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.279 head coach on the floor. No, they're really talented and 1641 01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:04.279 they're working hard and they're finally getting results and they're 1642 01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:04.720 just winning. 1643 01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:07.000 But that's boring media fodder. 1644 01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:10.279 You have to come up with superlatives and hyperbolic takes. 1645 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.119 But one of the things I always loved is the 1646 01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:16.520 way that Quinn seemed to allow his players to be 1647 01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:19.520 themselves and express themselves in a very free way. While 1648 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:22.520 he appeared to be kind of a rigid dude. The 1649 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:26.800 Clarkson stuff is the biggest example. Like Jordan Clarkson has 1650 01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:32.000 always had tremendous talent as a pure bucket getter off 1651 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:35.920 the bench and other stops the Lakers, the Cavs, but 1652 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:39.800 his best years as a pro was the two or 1653 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:42.920 three years he spent playing for Quinn where he won 1654 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:43.680 Coach of the Year. 1655 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:45.880 And Jordan was playing. 1656 01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:49.359 In a he always plays free, but he was playing 1657 01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:52.159 in a way that I had never seen him play before, 1658 01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:55.159 and playing within the team framework in a way that 1659 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:56.800 I'd never seen him play before. And it felt like 1660 01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.640 Quinn really had a hand in that. And certainly Quinn 1661 01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:03.520 was always good to sit down and take the time 1662 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:05.439 to kind of inform you what they were trying to 1663 01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:08.439 do and the foundation they were trying to build early on, 1664 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.560 and how he hoped it looked when it was fully baked. 1665 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:14.920 And you know, I think the debate will always be 1666 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:19.439 best jazz team that was not John and Carl certainly 1667 01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:21.079 in the mid to late nineties, but of course they 1668 01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:23.000 laid the foundation all the way back to the eighties. 1669 01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.600 I mean, John and Carl and that group worked to 1670 01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.119 build something special for a number of years, something I 1671 01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:31.119 think we forget when we talk about well, Donnov was 1672 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:31.880 here for five years. 1673 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:33.960 That's long enough. No, it's not like you have to 1674 01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:36.199 build a foundation. 1675 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:40.119 You have to build something sustainable and something that lasts, 1676 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:43.560 and it takes a lot of time, and we have 1677 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:45.479 not seen it take very much time in this market, 1678 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:47.840 which has led us to being spoiled quite a bit 1679 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:54.399 with intelligent basketball decision makers and ownership that you know, 1680 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:57.319 the previous ownership who would hire good people, put them 1681 01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:00.119 in place, and let's let them do their jobs. The 1682 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:03.800 basketball people do the basketball things, let the coaches coach 1683 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:06.600 the basketball team, and let the front office decide who 1684 01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:09.960 the players are and the synergies. Mart than not worked 1685 01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:12.199 at a really high level, never got to a championship. 1686 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:15.640 But you could watch, and I covered Quinn for the 1687 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.079 entire eight year stint. You could watch and see what 1688 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.640 they were building in a way that seemed a little 1689 01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:25.880 bit more intentional and I would say further along than 1690 01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.800 what this iteration and this Jazz group is trying to build. Remember, 1691 01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.479 this is the third year of a rebuild. Okay, let's 1692 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.800 not get it twisted. This is year three of a rebuild, 1693 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:39.239 and I'm not sure the Jazz fans see anything extra 1694 01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:42.920 exciting about what the future could hold. And year three 1695 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.880 of the rebuild with Quinn and Dennis and that group, 1696 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.439 you know, that's when Mitchell took off. That's when Gobert 1697 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:53.039 was legitimately Defensive Player of the Year Canada, and that's 1698 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:55.000 when you could see, Okay, they've been building and building 1699 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:57.600 and building, and yes, is there some luck involved, of course, 1700 01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:01.920 And it would be nice if was better in year 1701 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.199 two the way Donovan was better in year two, and 1702 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:06.159 it would be nice if some of the younger players 1703 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.479 had taken better steps moving forward. But that hasn't happened yet. 1704 01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:12.039 It doesn't mean it won't happen, because again, this is 1705 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:15.000 a foundational build right down what the Jazz are doing 1706 01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.920 simply building, you know, the studs, they're building the foundation. 1707 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:23.119 They're building the first portion of what hopefully turns into 1708 01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:25.720 a great project once upon a time down the road. 1709 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:27.079 I don't know how many years is going to take. 1710 01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:29.479 Again, they're already kind of behind the eight ball if 1711 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.319 you compare them with other rebuilds after two three years, 1712 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.800 you do want to see more progress. You do want 1713 01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.239 to see things that are a little bit more tangible 1714 01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:40.319 as opposed to a couple of games where Bryce Sensiba 1715 01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:42.039 I hit some shots and it's like, okay, is Bryce 1716 01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.920 now awesome? I mean it's hard to tell because of 1717 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.880 all of the players that have been held out the 1718 01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:50.479 ups and downs of a long eighty two NBA season, 1719 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:53.359 But should be fun tonight. By the way, I have 1720 01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.880 a new favorite college football player. Did you watch the 1721 01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.560 FCS Championship game last night? Of course about that guy, 1722 01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:04.720 Tommy Mollot. Now they lost, right, but he is fun. Look, 1723 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:06.960 I'm not going to do the thing. I'm not going 1724 01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:10.359 to be the guy that's like bro. I was crushing 1725 01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:11.920 Montana State film all year. 1726 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:12.399 I wasn't. 1727 01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:15.600 I mean, North Dakota State wins it all the time, 1728 01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:17.920 so everybody knows that that's the hell of a program. 1729 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:22.079 But Montana State, North Dakota State. Last night the game 1730 01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:24.600 was on our station, went home, not a whole lot on, 1731 01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:27.439 flipped through some NBA and then I flipped it over 1732 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:30.880 in time for Montana State to have who By the way, 1733 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:32.680 I had not lost the game to make that comeback. 1734 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:34.399 That little quarterback's fun to watch. 1735 01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:34.600 Man. 1736 01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:37.039 He's built like a linebacker. He's built like a tailback. 1737 01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:39.199 I don't know if he's an NFL guy but he 1738 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:41.479 won the Walter Payton Award, so I was kind of 1739 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.199 reading up on him. He's a Butte, Montana kid, so 1740 01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.800 he had all of these people from his hometown like 1741 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.000 showing up at bars and Butte to watch this sing 1742 01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:52.960 a calm touchdown Tommy and I listened to some interviews, 1743 01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:55.159 and you know, it reminded me of Porter. It reminded 1744 01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.560 me of one of my favorite things about watching March 1745 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:02.840 Madness is seeing this potunk school come out of nowhere 1746 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.760 and learning about like their starting guardio averages like twenty eight. 1747 01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:09.319 You'd never heard his name before and suddenly you're watching 1748 01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.640 and was it Jack Golkie, the dude who looked like 1749 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:14.079 an insurance salesman who hit. 1750 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:15.760 Like a million threes last year. 1751 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:18.800 Yeah, Like stories like that are cool, and I felt 1752 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.920 like that learning about this Tommy Malt kid, I mean, 1753 01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:28.840 he exudes Montana, Montana State tough kid, has some fun personality, 1754 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:30.880 was celebrating a little bit. So I was introduced to 1755 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:33.359 my new favorite player in college football. It's Tommy Malt. 1756 01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:33.760 I love it. 1757 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:34.159 I love it. 1758 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.039 Will you get him on the show? I can reach 1759 01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.239 out to the Montana State folks. I'm serious. By the way, 1760 01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:41.399 and I'm with you on that. 1761 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:43.640 It goes for both sides, right know, North Dakota State, 1762 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:46.520 although they've received a lot more attention because they win 1763 01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:52.000 the national championship every year, those and especially the top 1764 01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:55.880 I want to say three or four teams in FCS 1765 01:21:56.600 --> 01:22:01.239 have almost found themselves in such an advantageous spot at 1766 01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:06.239 the top of that specific classification that they are recruiting 1767 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:08.600 players that are Division one. 1768 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:10.000 Caliber, that are. 1769 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:16.279 In a lot of situations potential pros going on, right, 1770 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:19.119 And that's something you didn't used to see at the 1771 01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:22.840 FCS level. So yeah, man, it's fun to learn about 1772 01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:26.479 these guys and to get those kind of Cinderella ish stories. 1773 01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:30.159 But at the same time, when you see North Dakota State, 1774 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:32.239 when you see Montana State, these teams that just run 1775 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:35.640 the table in the FCS, they got some real players, 1776 01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:39.399 real football players who haven't shot at making money doing 1777 01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:39.680 that thing. 1778 01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:41.000 Yeah, that kid was fun to watch. 1779 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:41.279 Now. 1780 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.720 Of course, every time now we think of you know, Montana, 1781 01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:47.239 it's got to be Yellowstone. And I know you're still 1782 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:50.119 bitter that you got cut after you auditioned to be 1783 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:53.239 an extra in Yellowstone, but I don't think have you 1784 01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:57.359 did you finish the series nod you know you were 1785 01:22:57.399 --> 01:22:59.000 you boycotting it because they cut you. 1786 01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.640 I never really like watched it, to be quite honest 1787 01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:04.560 with you, to be in it. I mean I I 1788 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.279 I did some stand in filming that wasn't used. This 1789 01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:12.439 is correct, that's messed up. But yeah, I I never 1790 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:14.560 really got into the to the Yellowstone thing. 1791 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:15.039 I don't know. 1792 01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:17.279 I think I watched a little bit of the first season. 1793 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:22.000 You know it was I would say it's worth watching it. 1794 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:25.319 It got really dramatic as it went on. It did 1795 01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:28.880 improve after they killed off Costner. Because Kevin Costner has 1796 01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:32.640 been in some legendary movies, but he the overacting with 1797 01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:35.680 him has always just rubbed me the wrong way. So 1798 01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:38.439 after they killed him off spoiler alert if you don't 1799 01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:41.880 know about now, sorry, the final season's coming gone. 1800 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:43.840 I actually thought it improved. 1801 01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:45.720 I think a lot of people wanted Coshner back because 1802 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:48.199 he does play that cheesy cowboy role pretty well. 1803 01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:51.239 That's probably what you know gets me, not that I'm 1804 01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:53.760 mister cowboy, but I grew up with those guys who. 1805 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:57.000 Were actually doing that, not cosplaying exactly. 1806 01:23:57.079 --> 01:24:00.319 So when Kevin Costner is cosplaying cowboy, it just doesn't 1807 01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:00.960 resonate with me. 1808 01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:03.600 I'm sorry, John, it's been too long. I haven't seen 1809 01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:04.760 him for it. Not long enough. 1810 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:09.359 I'll have a bitch. His accent like too much was wild. 1811 01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:12.279 He went to meet like a lady friend at a 1812 01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:14.199 bar for a drink. She poured him a glass. 1813 01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:17.159 Of wine and he just downed it. You're supposed to 1814 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:20.039 sip it. I don't drink it for the taste and 1815 01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:21.520 like it's red wine. 1816 01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:25.000 He like put a coin down on the bar and 1817 01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:26.880 walk down like this is so cheesy. 1818 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:27.119 Good. 1819 01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:28.960 But if you haven't seen it, and if you're looking 1820 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.439 for some mindless entertainment, you could do worse than Yellowstone. 1821 01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:33.560 I would say I'll probably And that's how I do 1822 01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:35.920 most series anyway, is I'll probably binge it at some point, 1823 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:39.560 just to give its it's credence. Here's the thing it has, 1824 01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:41.840 and especially the first like half of it. It was 1825 01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.279 literally filmed where I grew up, correct, so I have 1826 01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:47.000 watched some of it, but it was mostly just like 1827 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:49.199 for the cinematic stuff. I'll catch up on the storyline 1828 01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:49.880 at some point. 1829 01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:52.800 His accents like did you ever see the movie Robinhood? 1830 01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:54.920 He did when he tried the British accent the English 1831 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:57.960 accent thinks. Oh dude, it's like, how do you get 1832 01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:00.359 green lip for these roles? Do people listen? You try 1833 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.760 these accents? Was in some great baseball movies. 1834 01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:06.159 Though, hey, he's in some hits. He's in some real 1835 01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:06.479 good ones. 1836 01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:09.680 We make little moneym not hating on Kevin Costner. All right, 1837 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.000 two hours down, two hours to go. Scott and Mitchell 1838 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:14.319 coming up next. I want to do some NFL with Scott. Well, 1839 01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:17.279 of course, we'll do some Utah football, but I want 1840 01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:19.279 to ask him about the Lions he played in Detroit. 1841 01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:22.239 What would it mean for that city if Detroit actually 1842 01:25:22.279 --> 01:25:24.960 won the Super Bowl? Bel Fraser rolls by. Later on 1843 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:26.640 we'll do a little Utah Hockey Club and then we'll 1844 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:29.520 launch it in the five o'clock hour on a surprisingly 1845 01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:31.760 sunny and beautiful Tuesday afternoon. 1846 01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:33.800 Keep it right here on ESPN seven hundred. 1847 01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:37.680 Quick update on the topic that everybody's talking about today 1848 01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:40.319 on the show. The Boy Scouts have changed their name 1849 01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:43.960 to Scouting America. Okay, so they're no longer the Boy Scouts, 1850 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:46.439 but they are around and it's Scouting America. 1851 01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:48.920 Oh all right, I think everything's good. 1852 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:52.920 Then I guess right, I guess but you know, inquiring 1853 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:56.119 minds want to know Scott Mitchell on a Tuesday afternoon, Scott, 1854 01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:57.239 did you grow up in Boy Scouts? 1855 01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:58.279 At are you and Eagle Scout? 1856 01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:03.319 All right? Scout? I actually have done public service announcements 1857 01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:08.000 in the past for the Boy Scouts. If you actually 1858 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.439 type in Google search Scott Mitchell Boy Scouts, you'll see 1859 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.359 an amazing commercial back when I was playing for the 1860 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:15.119 Detroit Lines. 1861 01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:15.600 Porter. 1862 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:19.000 Please, it's a travesty actually to hear what you just said. 1863 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:21.640 Scouting was an amazing part of my life and I 1864 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:24.760 absolutely loved it, and it's not what it used to be. 1865 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:26.079 I didn't know any of that, Porter. 1866 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:27.680 All I want you to do is get this sound 1867 01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:30.000 from Scott Mitchell's Boy Scout commercial before the end of 1868 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:30.359 the interview. 1869 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.560 Let's se if you can fire that out, so you 1870 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:36.079 better be careful, Spence, because you'll be in tears. It's 1871 01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:37.680 an emotional, powerful message. 1872 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.479 I can't wait to hear it. Look, I need to 1873 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:41.680 be motivated in the new year, Scott. I'm just looking 1874 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:43.800 for somebody to motivate me. If that's you talking about 1875 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:45.279 Boy Scouts, I have no judgment. 1876 01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:45.920 That's fine with me. 1877 01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:49.880 Oh I could motivate you spence, give me, give me 1878 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.359 ten minutes. I'll have you run in through a brick wall. 1879 01:26:52.439 --> 01:26:54.239 I need it, I want it. Have you been traveling 1880 01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:56.279 during the holidays. Where you've been it's been a while. 1881 01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:02.560 Yeah, I've been. I've been everywhere. Man. I actually was 1882 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:06.159 went to the German Christmas markets. I was in Florida. 1883 01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:10.640 Where else I don't know, Just pick a place I've 1884 01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:11.319 probably been there. 1885 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.159 Boy, well, Happy New Year, even though Larry David said, 1886 01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:19.319 I'm not allowed to say that after you know, January 1887 01:27:19.399 --> 01:27:21.800 the fourth, I haven't talked to you and quite some time, 1888 01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:23.359 so I want to welcome you in and say Happy 1889 01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:25.520 New Year. Do you have any exciting New Year's resolutions? 1890 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:27.560 You want to motivate with us? You motivate us away 1891 01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:27.840 with uh? 1892 01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:30.279 You know. 1893 01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:33.760 I I'll tell you the best advice that I could 1894 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:38.039 give a person, and that is, see the end of 1895 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:39.920 twenty twenty five and who you want to be and 1896 01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:42.760 where you want to be, and just see the vision 1897 01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:45.479 of that, and that should push you through the whole year. 1898 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:47.439 You got to start with a vision, you know, That's 1899 01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:53.880 that's the biggest thing. And the vision will actually push you, know, 1900 01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:57.600 the tasks you know, so like you, you know, if 1901 01:27:57.640 --> 01:27:59.079 you want to be healthy, it's like, well, I got 1902 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:01.079 to lose weight, and so you've got to see yourself 1903 01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:05.079 as that like person now. And without that vision, there's 1904 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:07.399 you have no hope. You gotta it's got to you 1905 01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:09.800 gotta have a clear vision of goal and you have 1906 01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:11.359 to see yourself there already. 1907 01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:14.159 Well said, no, I love it, I'm I'm ready, I'm 1908 01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:15.840 ready to roll. I've been needing this in the new year. 1909 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:19.119 What what does your vision say Utah football will look 1910 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:20.039 like come fall? 1911 01:28:22.119 --> 01:28:24.079 You know, it's it's kind of sad because I don't 1912 01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:26.119 I don't think this team was really that far off. 1913 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:30.039 And uh it just you know, really not having a 1914 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:35.680 veteran quarterback hurt the team a lot. The defense played 1915 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:38.439 quite quite well, and there really wasn't a team on 1916 01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:41.800 Utah schedule or in the conference that you go. I mean, 1917 01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:43.880 that's a world beater, you know that. I Mean, who 1918 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:47.079 would have thought Arizona State would have would have represented 1919 01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:49.520 the conference in the playoffs. I don't think anybody did, 1920 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:52.279 including Arizona State. I don't think they believe. I mean, 1921 01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:53.920 it probably just went through the year and it just 1922 01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:58.239 kind of unfolded. But so so you don't have to panic. 1923 01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:00.880 You know, you're not that far out of it. And 1924 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.520 I think the one thing that Utah has done different 1925 01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:06.680 from years past, and it's something that the pri have 1926 01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:10.279 to do moving forward is get into the portal and 1927 01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:12.800 and get get in the nil game. And you can 1928 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:17.159 see other teams have had huge turnarounds from this. You know, 1929 01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:20.560 they they did a pretty good job of not losing 1930 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:22.399 too many guys because there are a lot of their guys. 1931 01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:24.640 There are people people are going after, you know, Spencer 1932 01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:28.000 Fono and some of those other offensive linemen. Uh, you know, 1933 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:32.520 Kanu Tuoni, Vosta was a loss. Cam Calhoun was a loss. 1934 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:34.399 But for the most part, you know, you get get 1935 01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:36.800 a pretty good job. And so if if Utah can 1936 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:41.640 be a little bit more explosive on offense, uh uh, 1937 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:44.760 you know, okay, a lot more explosive on offense, they're 1938 01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:47.520 going to be right in it again next year. And 1939 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.039 and what's going to be different is what the formula 1940 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:54.159 for Utah was, find these guys that fit our program, 1941 01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:57.800 fit our profile, and we'll develop them. And they've done 1942 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.760 a tremendous job, probably the best in all of college football. 1943 01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:04.359 But they don't get that luxury anymore. Those guys that 1944 01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:07.279 they've kind of been mentoring and developing, those are all 1945 01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.560 the guys that left. All the backups left, and so 1946 01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:14.640 you've got to be able to have systems plug and 1947 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.479 play pretty simple. You're not going to be able to 1948 01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:21.319 kind of create that building culture that you have in 1949 01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:24.399 the past. But teams have proved. I mean, Arizona State's 1950 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:26.520 a great example. You know, you get the right combination 1951 01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:30.159 of players in the transfer portal, you're going to do well. 1952 01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:34.399 Even Colorado, who was a doormat in its entire existence 1953 01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:38.479 in the Pac twelve, turned it around in a lot. 1954 01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:42.000 You know, Okay, Dion's one thing, but but they went 1955 01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:45.159 heavy into the transfer portal and it just gives you 1956 01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:49.359 a chance to really find talent. Talent. You got to 1957 01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:51.720 create the right chemistry with the talent you find, but 1958 01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:53.159 you can turn around quickly. 1959 01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:55.000 Some good stuff in there. 1960 01:30:55.079 --> 01:30:57.439 And actually a couple of things about the question I 1961 01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.680 was going to follow up with, and that is and 1962 01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:01.640 there are a lot of programs like this. I was 1963 01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:04.800 doing some I was doing the impossible task this morning 1964 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:06.319 of trying to figure out what the Big twelve will 1965 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:08.920 look like next year. And I was digging into some 1966 01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:12.079 case state stuff. And you know, Utah football and Kansas 1967 01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:15.560 State football in a way, scott are very similar because 1968 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.439 they are recruit and develop and the success in the 1969 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:22.199 past where both of these programs have come with second, third, 1970 01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:26.680 fourth year players, these are not programs that turn things 1971 01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:29.800 around one year at a time with transfer portal additions 1972 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:31.800 because both their coaches believing the same thing. 1973 01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:33.239 So, if I'm. 1974 01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:35.119 Understanding correctly, do you think it's time to look at 1975 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:38.239 a different approach because maybe the old school recruit develop, 1976 01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:40.560 win with year two, three four guys is no longer 1977 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:41.119 a reality. 1978 01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:45.119 Well you have to and you know that if you're 1979 01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.159 a Utah fan, you probably should be excited about what's happened. 1980 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:51.079 The roster next year, I think is going to be 1981 01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:55.680 like fifty three percent new players, more than they've ever 1982 01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.600 ever had. And so, you know, Utah is just not 1983 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:02.079 sitting on it, you know, hands and digging, you know, 1984 01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:04.399 digging a you know, a line in the sand and 1985 01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:06.840 saying no, we're gonna you know, they're going, Okay, we 1986 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:09.039 understand the game, and we're going to play the game, 1987 01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:12.000 and we're at least going to give ourselves a shot 1988 01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:15.920 as far as the conference next year. I don't know 1989 01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:19.159 that it's gonna change. I don't know that it's ever changed. 1990 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.800 I mean, the Big Twelve is always a craft shoot. 1991 01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:25.560 And you know, I think your smart move is whoever 1992 01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:28.279 they pick not to win, that's who you want to write, right, 1993 01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:31.560 that's the team that's gonna gonna do well. But what 1994 01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:34.720 you have is you have a lot of programs that 1995 01:32:34.840 --> 01:32:37.600 are trying. And I like that and I appreciate that. 1996 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:40.479 You know, Texas Tech went out and got aggressive, and 1997 01:32:40.680 --> 01:32:44.159 you see Arizona State really you know, trying to turn 1998 01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:46.920 a corner. And and so there's a lot of competition 1999 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:49.680 in the conference. And I think the Big Twelve was 2000 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:55.199 massively underrated a year ago, and I think they'll continue to, uh, 2001 01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:59.159 you know, get a little bit more more love with 2002 01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:02.199 what's going on. But I think Utah's put itself in 2003 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:05.560 a position to do well. You know, I was saying 2004 01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.680 about this today and it's kind of the question, but 2005 01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:10.520 it's it's a little off topic. 2006 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:10.960 You know. 2007 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:14.920 They everyone's worried about the playoffs. You know, they get 2008 01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:17.039 the formula, right, do they do? You know? Should they? 2009 01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:19.640 Is there too much rust? Is there? You know? They 2010 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:22.760 pick these teams and they have these blowouts, and and 2011 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:25.319 I don't think I don't think you should change it 2012 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:28.560 at all. And where where you're going to have to 2013 01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:33.760 change it is these conferences are so big. Now Utah's 2014 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.159 gonna there's gonna be four teams in the conference next year, 2015 01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:39.479 Utah is not going to play and and they may 2016 01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:41.279 be good teams, so they be bad teams. So you 2017 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.680 just get the luck of the draw every year, are 2018 01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:45.640 you do you get the good teams you're gonna have 2019 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:47.239 to play or the bad teams Because you take a 2020 01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:49.960 team like Indiana, and it's the same in the Big Ten, 2021 01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:52.199 it's the same. And they ask all the conferences because 2022 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:55.319 they're so big. So Indiana probably played a bunch of 2023 01:33:55.359 --> 01:33:58.119 garbage teams all year. Maybe they weren't really that good 2024 01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:01.479 and and you know, they kind of just got the 2025 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:06.239 right draw for the better schedule and that helped them out. 2026 01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:08.720 If you really want to fix it, you know, have 2027 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:11.399 all these teams they all have to play each other 2028 01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:16.520 in their conferences, or you don't start ranking teams until 2029 01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:21.720 maybe when the actual college football playoff ranking comes out, 2030 01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:26.079 because it's a huge advantage if you get ranked high 2031 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:30.119 early and you have a crappy schedule like an Old Miss. 2032 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:31.680 You know, I don't know how good Old Miss was, 2033 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:34.960 but man, they were sure ranked high, and they rode 2034 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:37.520 that ranking through most of the season, even though they 2035 01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:41.079 really didn't play anyone all year, and some of the 2036 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:43.960 teams that were supposed to be good, like the Alabamas, weren't. 2037 01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:50.359 So it's a little misleading to have these subjective preseason 2038 01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:54.520 or early season polls, especially in these conferences where everyone 2039 01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:57.279 doesn't play everyone all the time, and if you wait, 2040 01:34:57.359 --> 01:34:59.039 you're going to have a better idea of who the 2041 01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:00.760 really good teams the country are. 2042 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:02.840 Yeah, I mean for sure. 2043 01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:05.880 I've been using this line on the show the past 2044 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:09.560 couple of weeks because I'm just realizing really how new 2045 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:12.760 all of this is for anybody in the ecosystem of 2046 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:15.279 college sports. Whether you cover it and talk about it 2047 01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:17.239 like you and I, or you're coaching and it let 2048 01:35:17.319 --> 01:35:19.720 coach wit, or you're playing in it, or you're an 2049 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:23.560 administrator like Mark Carlin, we're all experiencing this for the 2050 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:26.159 first time, and because of that, it makes it really 2051 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:28.520 hard to predict what it's going to look like even tomorrow, 2052 01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:30.720 let alone in a few months. So I keep saying, 2053 01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:34.399 like I prefer to diagnose instead of prognosticate about what 2054 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.319 could be because it's impossible to tell. 2055 01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:39.239 But when it comes to how Utah is. 2056 01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:43.479 To your point, completely changing over the roster in one year, 2057 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:46.800 this is another new thing where we'll have to diagnose 2058 01:35:46.840 --> 01:35:51.680 instead of prognosticate. But forty one new faces for a program, 2059 01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:54.920 as we've already talked about, that's found its way through 2060 01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:57.640 the world of college football with the ability to recruit 2061 01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:00.399 and develop, recruit players that aren't as highly thought of 2062 01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:03.920 elsewhere and make them the best possible players that they 2063 01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:06.960 can be. So what's a realistic expectation to be able 2064 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.359 to change over fifty three percent of your roster, bring 2065 01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:13.479 in forty one new players, and then have an expedited 2066 01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:16.079 time frame to do the development because they've got to 2067 01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:20.000 be ready to go game one in the fall. 2068 01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:22.880 You know, it really falls so much on coaching and 2069 01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:26.600 coaching and that you've got to bring in new players. 2070 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:30.600 You've got to have your systems that really are kind 2071 01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:34.399 of a plug and play. You It's hard to because 2072 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:37.239 you go, you know, well, I hope this guy fits 2073 01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:40.600 what we do, and you know, so recruiting to what 2074 01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:43.720 your system is, I think that's part of what was 2075 01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:48.239 appealing with Jason Beck and bringing the quarterback from you know, 2076 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:51.439 the Devin Dampier because he knows the system, you know, 2077 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:55.960 So that transition I think really helps with a new 2078 01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:58.840 coach and with the with the new style of how 2079 01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:02.119 how everything goes, because the quarterback really is the guy 2080 01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:04.399 that drives all of it. And if you get a 2081 01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:08.520 quarterback that can make plays for you and do well, 2082 01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:10.960 you're going to have a shot. And that that's the 2083 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:14.560 biggest key. Like it's it's not even close to the 2084 01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:18.399 impact the quarterback has on a game versus any other 2085 01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:20.880 position on the field. It's not like, you know, the 2086 01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:24.800 same as it's it's significantly higher the kind of impact 2087 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:27.279 the quarterback has. So it's all about coaching and getting 2088 01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.920 that right quarterback. And I think Utah's headed in that 2089 01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:34.560 right direction. And then that system really has to be 2090 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:37.439 and I hate to use the word dumbed down, but 2091 01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:40.399 it has to be one where you know, you can 2092 01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:43.239 pick it up relatively quick. Is the players don't have 2093 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:47.600 that many practices, they don't have that much time to 2094 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:50.760 actually work on you know, the NFL have OTAs they 2095 01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:54.560 spend a whole season in the off season learning and perfecting, 2096 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.199 and you hear these teams that do well and they'll 2097 01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:00.000 tell you that the OTAs are what makes their season 2098 01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:03.000 of what makes them successful. Maybe that's one of the 2099 01:38:03.119 --> 01:38:06.279 changes that has to happen from this is like, all right, 2100 01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:08.239 if you Canna gives all these new players every year, 2101 01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:10.720 we got to have more time with them. And that's 2102 01:38:10.760 --> 01:38:13.079 hard too, because all these coaches are out recruiting, so 2103 01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:15.880 it's it's a real burden on a team. But the 2104 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:18.039 statty teams will be the ones that find that right 2105 01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:21.560 quarterback in the system to really give you at least 2106 01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:22.039 a chance. 2107 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:25.800 You know, all right, let's see here. 2108 01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:28.239 I want to move over and do some NFL Scott 2109 01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:31.079 before we because actually, know what, I had one more 2110 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:34.279 Utah question for you, because I realized when I saw 2111 01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:36.600 you on the rundown today I have not interviewed you 2112 01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:39.039 since the news broke that Kyle is coming back the coach, 2113 01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:41.600 but is coming back for year twenty one. And it 2114 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:43.640 was one of those things that we had all debated 2115 01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:46.199 all year long, and one of the things we would 2116 01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:49.359 debate is whether or not the outcome of the season 2117 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:51.840 would have any bearing on what Kyle decided to do. 2118 01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:53.760 And part of me believe the answer to that was no, 2119 01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:56.800 because the man does not need to prove anything to anybody. 2120 01:38:57.279 --> 01:38:59.520 His resume speaks for itself, and what he's done for 2121 01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:02.479 you top Ball speaks for itself. Now, there does appear 2122 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:05.840 to be a faction, whether you want to call it 2123 01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:08.840 the vocal minority as opposed to the sylumn majority. I 2124 01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:12.000 don't have a percentage on it, but I have heard 2125 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:14.279 from people and have talked to people that believe it's 2126 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:17.600 time now to implement the succession plan and it's Morgan's 2127 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:18.279 time to go. 2128 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:19.520 I can't speak to it. 2129 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:22.800 Like I said, I'll diagnose, I'm not prognosticate, but I 2130 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:24.720 haven't talked to you since Kyle decided to come back. 2131 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:27.000 Were you surprised, What was your reaction when you heard 2132 01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:27.760 the news. 2133 01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:32.439 I don't know that I was surprised completely. You know, 2134 01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:35.439 you try to gauge people's answers, or their mode, or 2135 01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:38.800 their their temperament, you know, because we interviewed him every 2136 01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:43.439 week and talk to him, and you know you're trying 2137 01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:46.199 to read are you just worn down because this has 2138 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:48.319 been such a crappy season or you just kind of 2139 01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:51.079 worn down because Zilver and I didn't really sense from 2140 01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:56.159 him like he didn't have that fire, that competitiveness, or 2141 01:39:56.159 --> 01:39:58.199 that he was like, you know, I'm kind of done. 2142 01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:02.199 And I think that was I don't you know, I 2143 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.680 don't even think maybe this would be the last year 2144 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:07.600 for him. I just I just don't. I still think 2145 01:40:07.640 --> 01:40:09.800 they're scass in the tank. I still think they're spire 2146 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:12.640 in the tank. I think he's reading right what is 2147 01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:16.199 going on with college football and where the program needs 2148 01:40:16.279 --> 01:40:18.520 to go and what they have to do and and 2149 01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:21.800 it and it feels like they're making that attempt to 2150 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:24.479 do it because you never know how things will turn out. 2151 01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:27.439 But but at least they're they're reading the room right 2152 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:31.520 and they're they're making they're making those right moves and 2153 01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:35.119 and I just get a sense that it's it's not 2154 01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:37.520 about well, I want to end on a good note. 2155 01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:40.199 It's man, I slow coaching, and I want to win 2156 01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:42.840 and and I'm just still there. And that's where I think, 2157 01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:43.880 that's where I think he. 2158 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:45.560 Is, all right. 2159 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:47.680 I was excited when I saw that you were going 2160 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:49.199 to be on today because I had to kick the 2161 01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:52.039 tires with you, you know, watching that Sunday night Lions 2162 01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:56.319 Vikings game and this wasn't even a playoff game. Okay, 2163 01:40:56.560 --> 01:41:00.439 like it was a regular season game, but to watch 2164 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:03.560 and listen to some of the scenes around Ford Field, 2165 01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:06.640 it felt like it was a super Bowl for that 2166 01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:10.119 fan base, and it potentially was the biggest football game 2167 01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:12.840 held in that city in a number of decades. And 2168 01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:15.520 we know the deal. You know, they have never won 2169 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:19.000 the big thing. They've they've never won the big They've 2170 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:20.800 never been to the super Bowl. Of course, they've never 2171 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:23.119 won the super Bowl. And I just needed to know 2172 01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:25.439 because your best years as a pro they were in 2173 01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:27.840 Detroit and you had a love hate relationship with the 2174 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:28.279 fan base. 2175 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:29.479 I think that's fair to say. 2176 01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:33.720 But you have a unique perspective on the city of Detroit, 2177 01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:35.000 the football fans of Detroit. 2178 01:41:35.039 --> 01:41:37.399 What would it mean to them if Dan. 2179 01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:39.520 Campbell can traverse his way through the playoffs and actually 2180 01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:40.000 win this thing? 2181 01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:40.800 What would that city do? 2182 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:46.399 The city would petition in the NFL to be to 2183 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:50.920 change the Lombardi Trophy to the Dan Campbell Trophy. He 2184 01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:58.039 has literally done a masterful job of mirroring and matching 2185 01:41:58.279 --> 01:42:02.920 and engaging the fan and it's this blue collar mindset 2186 01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:06.520 and it's you know, look, we don't you know we're 2187 01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:08.960 just we're really three yards and a cloud of dust 2188 01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:11.560 kind of thing. We're top, we're gritty, we're all these things. 2189 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.960 And I think what really helped Dan Campbell understand that 2190 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:18.159 is he played there. He played for the Lions, and 2191 01:42:18.199 --> 01:42:20.199 he didn't play on some teams that were any good. 2192 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:23.039 But he's just done a masterful job of getting the 2193 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.479 city in the community to buy into him and his players. 2194 01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.039 And he's got some great coaches around him, and they 2195 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:31.640 picked the right players who've done really well, and they've 2196 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:34.760 really done a great job of kind of fitting what 2197 01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:38.479 they do into the player's strengths, especially Jared Goff, and 2198 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:42.359 he's just been like, I'll tell you, if there's anything 2199 01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:46.680 that gives you any indication of how great Dan Campbell 2200 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:51.279 has done, is they are actually channing for and cheering 2201 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:54.359 Jared Goff. And that never, I don't care who the 2202 01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:58.600 quarterback is, that never happens in Detroit. And so that 2203 01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:06.600 city like literally it would be the most insane change 2204 01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:10.840 or or celebration, or you know, it could it could 2205 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:13.560 literally you might have to bring in the military to 2206 01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:17.239 calm that place down. Some of the most passionate, rabid, 2207 01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:22.359 amazing fans and they've been there. I've been back to 2208 01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:25.840 games since I retired, and they have alumni times or 2209 01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:29.439 you know, you go back and visit and the team's 2210 01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:33.039 terrible and the place is packed. There's a there's a 2211 01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:37.159 badge of honor, and there's this a massive love for 2212 01:43:37.239 --> 01:43:40.000 the Detroit Lions from Detroit Lionsman, I meet them everywhere, 2213 01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:42.600 I mean everywhere in the country. It's like, oh, yeah, 2214 01:43:42.600 --> 01:43:44.479 I'm a Lions fan. You know I live, you know whatever, 2215 01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:49.640 and uh uh and and you know what, Honestly, I wouldn't. 2216 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:53.119 I would be so happy for those people. If there's 2217 01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:56.520 ever there's ever a fan and a fan base that 2218 01:43:56.680 --> 01:43:59.760 deserves to win a Super Bowl, it's the people into 2219 01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:04.560 They literally need to have the support and everyone in 2220 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:06.920 the country pulling for the Detroit Lions to win a 2221 01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:07.399 Super Bowl. 2222 01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:11.520 Vegas the up to date Vegas odds out of the 2223 01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:15.119 FanDuel Sports book, as Detroit is the favorite currently heading 2224 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:19.159 into the wildcard weekend. Kansas City is two, Baltimore's three, 2225 01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:22.000 Buffalo's four, and Philly is five. Then there's a massive 2226 01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:25.439 drop off. Vegas essentially saying there are five teams they 2227 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:28.000 think can win it. So Vegas things they're the favorite, 2228 01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:29.000 does Scott Mitchell. 2229 01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:34.399 Agree, Well, you mentioned the craziness of the atmosphere and 2230 01:44:34.479 --> 01:44:36.680 to have that home field advantage all the way through 2231 01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:40.439 the Super Bowl. They really play into it and they 2232 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:43.239 feed on that hometown. It's a real thing. And I'm 2233 01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:46.640 telling you there's nothing more electric than a really fired 2234 01:44:46.720 --> 01:44:50.079 up Detroit Lione fan base at a home game. It's 2235 01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:53.279 as good as it gets anywhere in any sports, at 2236 01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:57.640 college or pros. And to have that and for this 2237 01:44:57.760 --> 01:44:59.960 team to, you know, it's had a lot of injuries 2238 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:03.119 on their defense and to still be playing well and 2239 01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:07.880 the quarterback has just been magnificent and he's got weapons. 2240 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:12.279 You know, this is a team that's capable. But they're 2241 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:13.640 capable in their brains too. 2242 01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:14.399 You know. 2243 01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:19.039 They they've been to a championship game and they bounced 2244 01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:21.920 back from that this year. Teams that kind of have 2245 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:24.239 the fatigue and they have a letdown from not getting 2246 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:27.199 to the Super Bowl or losing the Super Bowl. You 2247 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:29.880 can't of see that with San Francisco right now. But 2248 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.640 this team isn't. It's on the rise. Its belief level 2249 01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:35.319 is as good as it gets. You know, Kansas City 2250 01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:37.479 probably isn't as good as they've been in the past, 2251 01:45:37.560 --> 01:45:40.840 but they understand how to win and the Lions have 2252 01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:44.960 figured that out as well. And the beauty of it 2253 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:49.399 would be to have to call a fourth down play 2254 01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:52.560 in the Super Bowl and they pull out the win 2255 01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:55.359 on going for it on fourth down. That would just 2256 01:45:55.399 --> 01:45:59.079 be the absolute irony of all ironies, just because of 2257 01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:02.600 the Riverboat game type of mindset that Dan Campbell has. 2258 01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:05.720 What about Baltimore Scott, I mean, it seems like Lamar 2259 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:07.840 takes a lot of criticism for not being able to 2260 01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:09.560 get it done, and he's just he's so fun to 2261 01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:13.880 watch and he's one of the most electric, dynamic players 2262 01:46:13.880 --> 01:46:16.560 in pro football. What's fair to say about what he's 2263 01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:18.359 failed to do in the postseason and do you think 2264 01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:19.720 it could be different this time around? 2265 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:24.279 Yeah, he's a really special player because you know, he's 2266 01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:27.359 he's learned to do both things very well and it's 2267 01:46:27.399 --> 01:46:30.479 almost indefensible. You know, he can throw the football very 2268 01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:33.880 accurately and on time and he and he's got a 2269 01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:40.119 real comfort level with it. His his mechanics have gotten cleaner, 2270 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:42.680 so so under pressure, you know, he can still make 2271 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:46.439 the throws and he's just just unbelievable running the football. 2272 01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:50.239 Their team if I was in all the football and 2273 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:54.159 I was in in the AFT or the NFC, that 2274 01:46:54.199 --> 01:46:56.920 would be the team I'd be really afraid of the other. 2275 01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:59.800 One's buffalo. I mean, Josh Allen's playing great this year too, 2276 01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:03.880 But Lamar Jackson is a very very special player. And 2277 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:07.079 when you have that man, it's so hard to defend 2278 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:11.279 and it's so hard to figure out. And he's proven that, 2279 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:14.880 you know, consistently throughout the years. But he kind of 2280 01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:18.119 has to get to that next level of winning that 2281 01:47:18.279 --> 01:47:21.560 really big game in the playoffs, and it just takes time. 2282 01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:26.000 You know, Pete Manning lost five years straight in his 2283 01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.680 first five playoffs season. It's hard, Like it's hard to 2284 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:32.239 win in the NFL period. It's really hard to win 2285 01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:34.520 in the playoffs, and it takes a lot and sometimes 2286 01:47:34.520 --> 01:47:37.039 it takes a lot of time. Now, I played with 2287 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:40.479 Dan Marino, who's he's just the best ever, Like nobody 2288 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:44.199 throws a ball like Dan Marino, unbelievable. And he went 2289 01:47:44.239 --> 01:47:45.880 to one Super Bowl and it was early on in 2290 01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:49.359 his career and he never went back again. So you know, 2291 01:47:49.439 --> 01:47:54.199 great players can can have challenges winning in the postseason. 2292 01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:55.039 For sure. 2293 01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:57.279 Before I say you lose, can anyone get in Ohio 2294 01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:59.279 State's way? Does it feel like they're going to march 2295 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:01.000 on and win the national championship? 2296 01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:07.560 It kind of feels that way a little bit, But 2297 01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:10.119 you know, you're I mean, I know people are kind 2298 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:13.359 of disappointed with the college football playoffs, but man, the 2299 01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:16.239 bowl games were meaningful, you know, and now you have 2300 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:20.199 Oil State and Texas and you have Penn State and 2301 01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:24.920 Notre Dame. I mean, that's that's some pretty good, you know, 2302 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:30.319 semifinal games. I don't know how good either Penn State 2303 01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:33.640 or Notre Dame. I don't know how good Texas is. 2304 01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:35.560 You know, they seem to find ways to win really 2305 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:39.479 good defensively. But Ohio State, they it seems to be 2306 01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:40.520 kind of their year. 2307 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:44.439 All right, Scott, we have a very special treat before 2308 01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:48.239 you hang up the phone, and for our listeners out there, 2309 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:50.560 we've had a kind of a loose show where Tim 2310 01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:53.800 mcbahn referenced the Boy Scouts earlier, so we've been asking 2311 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:57.000 our listeners their level of Scouts. Scott is a proud 2312 01:48:57.000 --> 01:48:59.239 of Eagle Scout and once upon a time he voiced 2313 01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:01.000 this emotional spot for the Boy Scouts. 2314 01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:05.359 What's it take to be a pro quarterback in the NFL. 2315 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:12.600 It takes effort, it takes determination, it's practice em after 2316 01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:18.760 practice is over. And for Scott Mitchell, it takes one 2317 01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:26.800 really brave mascot. Scott Mitchell proving just how determined and 2318 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:28.520 Eagles scout can be. 2319 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:31.960 Oh was that it? 2320 01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:33.720 We didn't hear from Scott. I thought Scott was going 2321 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:34.920 to tell like an emotional story. 2322 01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:39.760 No, Scott is for the non YouTube listeners pelting the 2323 01:49:39.880 --> 01:49:42.880 Detroit Lions mascot with fastballs. 2324 01:49:43.439 --> 01:49:48.840 Oh okay, it's a video, right, and it's it's actually, uh, 2325 01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:52.479 it's me. It's me throwing after practice. I'm sweating and 2326 01:49:52.520 --> 01:49:55.920 I'm working hard and I keep throwing all these past 2327 01:49:56.039 --> 01:49:57.680 is the only one who catch them with the mascot 2328 01:49:57.720 --> 01:49:58.920 because everyone went home. 2329 01:49:59.119 --> 01:50:01.640 So I see, I see, well, Scott, congrats are on 2330 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:04.000 the Eagle Scouts man Eagle Scout Award. 2331 01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:05.560 I appreciate the time. Let's do it to you in soon. 2332 01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:07.199 Okay, you got it? 2333 01:50:07.239 --> 01:50:07.560 Thank you? 2334 01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:08.039 All right? 2335 01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:11.600 Scott Mitchell, former ute quarterback played in the NFL for 2336 01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:13.279 a number of years. Yeah, I wanted to get his 2337 01:50:13.399 --> 01:50:16.680 take on what that's going to be like. Can Detroit 2338 01:50:16.720 --> 01:50:19.720 get this done? So ultimately, Detroit has been installed as 2339 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:22.359 the favorite to win the Super Bowl. This is this 2340 01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:25.279 is new. The odds are out now. Pride to wild 2341 01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:28.399 Card weekend. Detroit right now is your favorite, followed by 2342 01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:32.399 Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo, and in Philly and then there's 2343 01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:36.720 a massive drop off between Philly and Minnesota that the 2344 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.880 vikings are at plus fourteen hundred. Essentially, Vegas is telling 2345 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:43.279 you five teams can win it. Detroit, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo, 2346 01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:47.000 and Philly. So interesting stuff there. Appreciate Scott's time. Yeah, 2347 01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:50.039 it's a great bomb, but you can't. I can't bulldoze it. 2348 01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:54.600 I can't come on air until it's fully unpacked. A breath, yeah, 2349 01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:56.680 I mean it's a great bump, but you athletic breathe 2350 01:50:57.319 --> 01:50:59.880 right the whole song? Yeah, Oh we should We should 2351 01:50:59.880 --> 01:51:01.760 have at this point with this little radio show, we're 2352 01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:05.039 getting it back to some football college football, Pro football 2353 01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:09.319 five o'clock hour. Don't forget UTAP basketball tonight at Iowa State. 2354 01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:11.880 They are sixteen point five point underdog. You'll hear that 2355 01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:14.600 game when we Saga night at six. But let's talk 2356 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:17.239 a little hockey. It's been a minute. Our friend Belle 2357 01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:19.600 Frasier from the Saltilid Tribune. Back on the drive, Bell, 2358 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:20.279 Happy Tuesday. 2359 01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:21.960 How are you good? 2360 01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:22.520 How are you? 2361 01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:23.840 I'm great, I'm great. 2362 01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:27.199 So did you guys have a New Year's gathering of 2363 01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:28.520 the Salt Lake Tribune building? 2364 01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:32.600 And who had too many furtives and embarrassed himself? Who 2365 01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:33.760 it was? 2366 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:33.840 It? 2367 01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:35.760 Andy? Or was an Aeron? It was either Andy Larson 2368 01:51:35.800 --> 01:51:36.600 or Eron? Which one? 2369 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:38.199 You know? 2370 01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:41.279 I don't know. I we didn't have a New Year's gathering, 2371 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:42.600 so I don't have an answer. 2372 01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:45.760 Okay, okay, Well look at you protecting my good friends 2373 01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:46.560 over the Tribune. 2374 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:48.640 Okay, I like it. I like it. We'll just kind 2375 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:49.079 of let it go. 2376 01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:52.600 So Bell, it's been a rough stretch as of late, 2377 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:56.000 but ironically enough, they haven't necessarily lost a ton of 2378 01:51:56.079 --> 01:51:59.760 ground in the standings. But we're looking at what seven 2379 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:02.680 of the eight games on the wrong side of things 2380 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:03.520 over the past that. 2381 01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:04.479 Little there for the hockey club. 2382 01:52:04.479 --> 01:52:07.079 What what would you attribute most the struggles of the 2383 01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:09.039 past stretch with the team so far? 2384 01:52:10.319 --> 01:52:13.279 I think it's just the general theme of inconsistency that 2385 01:52:13.319 --> 01:52:15.439 you really saw in the beginning of the year when 2386 01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:17.159 they got off to that hot start, and then they 2387 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:20.199 are up and down, and that's kind of expected with 2388 01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:22.439 a young team and the fourth year of a rebuild. 2389 01:52:22.479 --> 01:52:25.159 And you know, we've talked about it, but Bill Armstrong 2390 01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:25.880 olways echoes. 2391 01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:27.520 You know, we're gonna look like a playoff team some 2392 01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:29.640 nights and other nights we're going to look really young 2393 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:32.159 and really bad. And I think that's been true. But 2394 01:52:32.239 --> 01:52:35.159 it's really unfortunate because to start December they were on 2395 01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:38.199 a four game winning streak. They won six of seven 2396 01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:40.920 games to start the month, I believe, and leading. 2397 01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:43.439 Into late November. And then they go on and they 2398 01:52:43.479 --> 01:52:45.199 lose five straight, two. 2399 01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:48.119 Of which were against a visional opponents, which is basically 2400 01:52:48.119 --> 01:52:51.680 a four point game when you're thinking about playoff implications. 2401 01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:53.359 So that definitely put. 2402 01:52:53.239 --> 01:52:54.119 Them behind the eight ball. 2403 01:52:54.159 --> 01:52:56.600 And just you know, momentum wise, to it felt like 2404 01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:59.960 things were really clicking. They scored four or more goals 2405 01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:04.800 in six straight games, which you know when you're scoring 2406 01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:06.359 that many goals to night in that NHL, and you 2407 01:53:06.439 --> 01:53:09.319 have good goaltending like they have had in Carl Vimelka, 2408 01:53:09.399 --> 01:53:11.560 and your defense is as stable as it has been 2409 01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:13.319 recently for them, despite the injuries. 2410 01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:15.119 That's usually going to come out with a win. 2411 01:53:15.239 --> 01:53:19.079 But recently, they've really been held to you know, two 2412 01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:22.399 three goals a night, even one at times. So I 2413 01:53:22.399 --> 01:53:26.199 think obviously defensive production being down is a sign that 2414 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:29.800 kind of contributes to the losing streak as well. 2415 01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:32.079 But I think they're coming in to this. 2416 01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:34.119 They have a seven game home stand at the Delta 2417 01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:36.840 Center right now, nine a season high nine games at. 2418 01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:38.159 Delta Center this month. 2419 01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:40.640 And although their record in Salt Lake hasn't been great 2420 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:42.920 this season, I think this is going to force them 2421 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:44.760 to learn how to make you know, home. It's a 2422 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:46.359 tough place to play in a. 2423 01:53:46.119 --> 01:53:47.439 Place where they gain points. 2424 01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:51.680 Some people call January February the dog days of the season, 2425 01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:54.319 but it can't be that for Utah Hockey Club. You know, 2426 01:53:54.359 --> 01:53:56.960 I think if they go five hundred this month, the 2427 01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:59.159 playoff picture is going to be far far away from 2428 01:53:59.159 --> 01:54:01.840 what it is right now. So this arguably is one 2429 01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:05.479 of their most important months of hockey until the end 2430 01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:07.800 stretch of the regular season. So I think they all 2431 01:54:07.840 --> 01:54:10.359 know that, and they know they have to handle business 2432 01:54:10.359 --> 01:54:12.000 in the next few weeks, if you know, they want 2433 01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:12.479 to stay. 2434 01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:13.039 In the conversation. 2435 01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:16.640 As you reference Bell, they won six of seven prior 2436 01:54:16.760 --> 01:54:19.680 to this. The streak on the other side where they've 2437 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:22.680 fallen six of the last seven. And this is kind 2438 01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:25.119 of the theme as you referenced all year long. You know, 2439 01:54:26.039 --> 01:54:28.600 a team that starts out hot, a team that goes 2440 01:54:28.640 --> 01:54:32.199 ice cold, and god ebbs and flows when some loses some. 2441 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:35.319 So, but we should have enough sample size now that we're. 2442 01:54:35.239 --> 01:54:37.000 In the new year and most teams have played over 2443 01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:38.920 forty games around forty games or. 2444 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:41.760 So to really get a feel for who they are. 2445 01:54:41.840 --> 01:54:44.079 So the question I'll post you is when they're winning 2446 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:46.840 and when they're playing well, what seems to be clicking 2447 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:49.640 And when the when they're on the wrong side of results, 2448 01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:51.279 what are they not doing as well? 2449 01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:55.199 Yeah, I mean I think when they're winning, they're playing simple, 2450 01:54:55.279 --> 01:54:58.800 they're not overthinking or putting too much pressure on themselves. 2451 01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:01.159 And you know, coach at they talked about that about 2452 01:55:01.159 --> 01:55:03.119 the way his team plays at home. He feels like 2453 01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:06.359 sometimes they get a little too emotional and they start, 2454 01:55:06.520 --> 01:55:08.399 you know, they let the opponent get under their skin 2455 01:55:08.439 --> 01:55:11.279 a bit, and then they overcomplicate what could be an 2456 01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:14.199 easy play. You know, zone entries, angling on defense, just 2457 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:16.720 stuff that is bread and butter for hockey players that 2458 01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:18.800 they know how to do and Nick Schmeltz said that 2459 01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:21.319 sometimes on the road, because you're in a different building, 2460 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:22.720 you want to take the crowd out of it, so 2461 01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:25.479 you just go play a simplified game and you're not 2462 01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:27.640 gripping the stick too tight and things like that. But 2463 01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:30.239 I think util when they're at their best, they're utilizing 2464 01:55:30.279 --> 01:55:32.039 their speed. You know, I would argue they're one of 2465 01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:34.079 the faster teams in the league right now just because 2466 01:55:34.079 --> 01:55:37.520 of their youth and special teams are firing too. During 2467 01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:40.680 that winning streak, they had nine power play goals in 2468 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:43.960 seven games, all from the first unit, and that's gone, 2469 01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:47.359 you know, a little bit not fully quiet, but definitely 2470 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:50.399 not that consistency either. And then I think for them too, 2471 01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:54.640 is just having three consecutive periods of the same I 2472 01:55:54.640 --> 01:55:56.920 don't know if effort's the same word, the right word, 2473 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:58.720 but of just consistent play. 2474 01:55:58.760 --> 01:55:59.880 You know, they'll come out and they. 2475 01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:02.399 They are usually a pretty good first period team, and 2476 01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:06.079 then for some reason the second period this season, they 2477 01:56:06.279 --> 01:56:08.800 usually take a couple penalties, they give up a few goals, 2478 01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:11.880 and then they put themselves behind heading into the third period. 2479 01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:12.479 So I think in. 2480 01:56:12.479 --> 01:56:14.760 The games that they have success, you see them kind 2481 01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:17.760 of carrying their play and not letting up in any 2482 01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:20.479 of those periods, and they've been a better third period team, 2483 01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:23.079 I think in the last twenty games or so in 2484 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:25.199 terms of being able to come back. I think you 2485 01:56:25.239 --> 01:56:27.760 saw that January second against Calgary. 2486 01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:29.640 They had a good third period and kind of. 2487 01:56:29.640 --> 01:56:31.720 Being able to close games out. So, you know what's 2488 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:34.560 in their arsenals, in their skill set, they've proven they've 2489 01:56:34.600 --> 01:56:37.359 been able to kind of put those together. But it's just, 2490 01:56:37.520 --> 01:56:40.239 you know, doing that on a nightly basis is what 2491 01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:42.479 they need to do more often. We saw it for 2492 01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:44.640 four or five games in a row, and now they 2493 01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:46.680 really need it for the next you know fifteen. 2494 01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:51.279 You reference the situation with the goaltending stuff, and I 2495 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:53.960 would imagine it feels like Romelka is locked in the 2496 01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:55.199 starting spot for now. 2497 01:56:55.319 --> 01:56:56.680 Is that your understanding. 2498 01:56:56.720 --> 01:56:58.479 I mean, based off of what we're seeing, that appears 2499 01:56:58.520 --> 01:57:00.520 to be the case, and it's I think that could 2500 01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:02.720 change at some point where Connor gets the job back. 2501 01:57:04.039 --> 01:57:06.600 So the Milka is one hundred percent the starter right now. 2502 01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:09.000 I mean, his numbers speak for themselves, but I think 2503 01:57:09.079 --> 01:57:12.880 just the calm confidence he gives his team, especially with 2504 01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:15.960 you know, Utah's defense has done everything. It's canon and 2505 01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:18.680 it's been good, but he does not have a healthy 2506 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:20.920 decre in front of him, you know, so he's probably 2507 01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:23.399 making a few extra saves the night that maybe he 2508 01:57:23.439 --> 01:57:26.439 wouldn't have to make if they had, you know, full 2509 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:28.600 power on the back end. So I think that's part 2510 01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:32.680 of it. And he Jackson Stauber they called up from 2511 01:57:32.680 --> 01:57:35.680 the AHL to be the backup. You know, he's he's 2512 01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:37.720 stepped in when he needs too for load management, but 2513 01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:40.920 he's nowhere close to the Milka's level. And then Connor Ingram, 2514 01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:43.039 you know, he went out day to day in November 2515 01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:46.039 and it's been months. The latest update with him is 2516 01:57:46.119 --> 01:57:48.880 they sent him down to the HL on a conditioning loan, 2517 01:57:49.319 --> 01:57:51.760 which means he has a maximum The loan is a 2518 01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:54.880 maximum fourteen days where he goes down there and basically 2519 01:57:54.920 --> 01:57:57.920 just gets back into NHL NHL shape. In terms of 2520 01:57:57.960 --> 01:58:01.000 practice gains, you know, the HL practice is much more 2521 01:58:01.039 --> 01:58:03.600 than the NHL because their schedule is a little bit looser. 2522 01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:04.520 They practiced for. 2523 01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:05.319 A longer time. 2524 01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:07.640 Ingram hasn't played a game down there yet, but you 2525 01:58:07.680 --> 01:58:10.119 know he's allowed to on the loans, so I think 2526 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:11.920 that's a good sign in terms of where he is 2527 01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:15.239 in his recovery. It means that you know, he's probably 2528 01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:16.880 on the ice on a daily basis. We don't have 2529 01:58:16.920 --> 01:58:19.399 eyes on him because their AHL team is in Tucson. 2530 01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:22.399 But yeah, I think it's that's the question. 2531 01:58:22.479 --> 01:58:24.640 When he comes back. I don't think he's handed the 2532 01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:27.479 net whatsoever. You know, he's been out of commission for 2533 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.079 two months and he didn't have a good start to 2534 01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:32.840 the season and maybe he was dealing with something injury 2535 01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:36.159 wise coming into it, but he really really struggled. And 2536 01:58:36.199 --> 01:58:38.680 I don't think it's a coincidence that once the Melica 2537 01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:41.199 came in and gave them consistent play and net come 2538 01:58:41.439 --> 01:58:44.840 December late November, that's when they started playing their best hockey. 2539 01:58:44.960 --> 01:58:47.800 So I think, especially now when every night is so 2540 01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:50.880 important to them in terms of points, you're not going 2541 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:54.439 to mess with your starter that is confident and giving 2542 01:58:54.479 --> 01:58:57.960 you wins. So we asked coach about it, of course, 2543 01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:00.159 and he's focused on one game at a time. You know, 2544 01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:03.680 Zamelka's starting tomorrow against the Florida Panthers and that's really 2545 01:59:03.720 --> 01:59:07.199 all he's worried about. But I do think, you know, 2546 01:59:07.600 --> 01:59:10.800 maybe Ingram's the backup they send Stauber back down, and 2547 01:59:10.840 --> 01:59:13.359 it's good to have two veterans, but I just don't 2548 01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:16.439 see them taking their net away from Vimeilica anytime soon 2549 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:18.640 if he's the one actively earning it. 2550 01:59:19.239 --> 01:59:21.640 All right, Bell, let's get to some topics you've covered 2551 01:59:22.039 --> 01:59:25.039 in your space for the trip, and anytime Spicy Tuna 2552 01:59:25.119 --> 01:59:26.960 is in the news, we have to talk about it 2553 01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:30.319 because he became the most popular player here instantly during 2554 01:59:30.359 --> 01:59:33.479 their introductory press conference, and most people that didn't know 2555 01:59:33.520 --> 01:59:35.920 hockey probably thought he was also the biggest star because 2556 01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:36.840 he was the biggest name. 2557 01:59:37.520 --> 01:59:38.840 He has not been able to get. 2558 01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:40.600 A ton of ice time to start the year, but 2559 01:59:40.640 --> 01:59:42.600 that's changing, isn't it tell us a little bit about 2560 01:59:42.600 --> 01:59:45.680 this opportunity that our guy, Spicy Tuna has now in 2561 01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:46.439 front of him. 2562 01:59:47.239 --> 01:59:47.920 It is so. 2563 01:59:47.960 --> 01:59:50.760 I mean, before their most recent road trips, Spicy Tuna 2564 01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:54.000 lim O'Brien had only played three games, and that's coming 2565 01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:56.640 off a season in Arizona where he played seventy five, 2566 01:59:56.760 --> 01:59:59.239 so he was pretty used to being in the lineup 2567 01:59:59.239 --> 02:00:02.880 on a nightly base. But Utah, luckily, their forward group 2568 02:00:02.880 --> 02:00:06.039 has been extremely healthy this season, which is extremely rare. 2569 02:00:06.439 --> 02:00:07.640 They haven't had one. 2570 02:00:07.520 --> 02:00:10.760 Injury so far not to drinxit. I mean, Nick Duke 2571 02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:12.600 sad was late coming into the season because he was 2572 02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:15.640 recovering from injury, but nothing in season has happened to 2573 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:18.319 that group, So O'Brien was kind of just stuck as 2574 02:00:18.359 --> 02:00:20.560 the thirteenth forward in a healthy scratch on. 2575 02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:21.399 A nightly basis. 2576 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:23.880 And I think a lot of us, you know, media 2577 02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:26.199 fans were talking about maybe wanting to see him in 2578 02:00:26.199 --> 02:00:30.119 the lineup because the third line previously of Michelli's deep 2579 02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:33.520 stating Krause, had not been producing as well, just offensively, 2580 02:00:33.600 --> 02:00:35.039 so maybe switching it up to get. 2581 02:00:34.880 --> 02:00:35.600 A spark there. 2582 02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:38.520 And so be it. There was a stomach bug and 2583 02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:42.000 illness going through the hockey club last week and Clayton 2584 02:00:42.079 --> 02:00:44.560 Keller could not go for a game, so O'Brien got 2585 02:00:44.560 --> 02:00:46.840 put in the lineup and he slotted in on that 2586 02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:49.920 third line with Duke stading Krause and then has stayed 2587 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:53.000 in since then. He's played three games on that line 2588 02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:55.399 with them, and Michelli was moved to the fourth line 2589 02:00:55.399 --> 02:00:59.640 with Kevin Sellin and Alex Kirkfoot. But surprisingly or not surprisingly, 2590 02:00:59.640 --> 02:01:02.600 I guess, if he brings a spark, Krause scored two 2591 02:01:02.680 --> 02:01:04.880 goals in his second game with O'Brien. 2592 02:01:05.520 --> 02:01:07.720 You know, he hadn't scored in fourteen. 2593 02:01:07.239 --> 02:01:09.159 Games, and he gets that monkey off his back. 2594 02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:10.560 And O'Brien didn't. 2595 02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:12.239 Get the assist on the goal, but it was his 2596 02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:15.279 physicality and four check that kind of set it up. 2597 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:17.520 And then Mitchelli the next night scored two goals and 2598 02:01:17.560 --> 02:01:21.399 he hadn't scored since November seventh, So, you know, Krause 2599 02:01:21.600 --> 02:01:23.439 and both Duke said said it the other day that 2600 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:27.319 O'Brien brought an energy and element and edge to the 2601 02:01:27.359 --> 02:01:29.680 lineup that they think they were really missing and it's 2602 02:01:29.720 --> 02:01:33.680 worked out so far. So coach said those combinations are 2603 02:01:33.680 --> 02:01:36.640 going to stay the same this week because why you know, 2604 02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:37.520 take him out if. 2605 02:01:37.399 --> 02:01:38.439 It seems to be working. 2606 02:01:38.520 --> 02:01:41.720 But his mindset all year, you know, Lim O'Brien, who's 2607 02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:44.399 just said, I'm happy to be in the NHL, I'm 2608 02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:46.039 going to stay ready, I'm going to be what this 2609 02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:49.000 team needs for me to be. And he has definitely 2610 02:01:49.000 --> 02:01:49.640 lived up to that. 2611 02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:52.119 So who knows that this is a prolonged stint. 2612 02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:54.079 I think they're just rolling with it because it got 2613 02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:56.239 some of you know, the guys that they needed to 2614 02:01:56.319 --> 02:01:57.279 keep going scoring. 2615 02:01:57.960 --> 02:01:59.960 But yeah. I you know, we don't. 2616 02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:01.960 Have a fish the lineups for tomorrow, but it seems 2617 02:02:02.039 --> 02:02:04.840 like in this homestand Utah fans will get to see 2618 02:02:05.119 --> 02:02:08.760 Liam O'Brien on Delta Center ice and he's fired up 2619 02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:10.319 to be able to play in front of you know, 2620 02:02:10.399 --> 02:02:12.760 fans that have shown him nothing but support since they. 2621 02:02:12.640 --> 02:02:13.479 Got here in April. 2622 02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:15.800 How healthy are we getting with the blue line? It 2623 02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:18.680 just seems like there's two steps forward, one step back. 2624 02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:21.880 And of course some of the like Jersey and Marino 2625 02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:24.880 were thought to be two key contributors, are we getting 2626 02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:26.159 are we close to getting them back? 2627 02:02:26.399 --> 02:02:27.640 How healthy are we back there? 2628 02:02:27.640 --> 02:02:29.119 And how close are we to getting some of the 2629 02:02:29.560 --> 02:02:31.960 key contributors back to being on the ice. 2630 02:02:32.920 --> 02:02:35.399 This week has actually been really productive with that. 2631 02:02:36.199 --> 02:02:38.039 Jersey, Marino, and Maverick. 2632 02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:40.079 Lamarou have all been on the ice, which you know, 2633 02:02:40.119 --> 02:02:42.600 we haven't seen most of those guys for the past 2634 02:02:42.680 --> 02:02:43.319 couple months. 2635 02:02:43.399 --> 02:02:45.239 Marino previously was in. 2636 02:02:45.199 --> 02:02:47.600 A non contact jersey, but is now in a full 2637 02:02:47.640 --> 02:02:51.920 contact jersey, full participant, full participant in practice for the 2638 02:02:51.960 --> 02:02:53.720 last week and a half. I want to say, so 2639 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:56.720 he's not getting ready. Pote said, it's not going to 2640 02:02:56.760 --> 02:02:59.239 be this week but they're talking about it and it's coming. 2641 02:02:59.399 --> 02:03:01.920 So I don't know if that means end of January, 2642 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:05.920 early February, but he's full contact, you know, he's practicing 2643 02:03:06.520 --> 02:03:09.840 and getting back into NHL pace. So I think that's 2644 02:03:09.880 --> 02:03:12.199 a really bright sign for Utah. You know, they never 2645 02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:14.359 seen him play in Utah, Jersey yet, he wasn't even 2646 02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:16.880 at training camp because he was injured. And then both 2647 02:03:16.920 --> 02:03:19.920 Sean Jersey and Maverick Lameru, they're not full contact yet. 2648 02:03:19.920 --> 02:03:22.760 They're kind of on for short skill sessions, getting a 2649 02:03:22.760 --> 02:03:24.840 feel for the put getting some conditioning in and just 2650 02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:27.640 being around the players on the ice before practice, and 2651 02:03:27.680 --> 02:03:30.640 then they'll do go do some side work. But same 2652 02:03:30.640 --> 02:03:33.600 thing with that. We hadn't seen them skate in a while, 2653 02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:37.079 so they are weeks probably a month at least for 2654 02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:40.359 Jersey away. But it's a really good sign. So it's 2655 02:03:40.399 --> 02:03:41.880 not going to be this week, it might not be 2656 02:03:41.920 --> 02:03:44.239 in this homestand but I think the fact that those 2657 02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:47.720 players are integrating back into the team, integrating back into 2658 02:03:47.760 --> 02:03:50.840 the routine of playing, is a really bright spot. But 2659 02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:55.399 then Robert Bertuso was put on injured reserve with he's 2660 02:03:55.439 --> 02:03:57.640 week to week with a lower body injury, so you know, 2661 02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:00.760 that's another defenseman you lose. So in terms of who 2662 02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:03.520 they have coming up, it's kind of the same bulk 2663 02:04:03.560 --> 02:04:05.840 of guys that have been carrying the load all season, 2664 02:04:06.239 --> 02:04:09.079 But it seems like in the next few weeks you'll 2665 02:04:09.079 --> 02:04:12.640 get at least one healthy, two healthy bodies back, which 2666 02:04:13.039 --> 02:04:15.119 you know is coming at the perfect time for this 2667 02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:17.600 team as they try to make a push and could 2668 02:04:17.600 --> 02:04:18.319 make a really big. 2669 02:04:18.199 --> 02:04:19.239 Difference for them. 2670 02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:21.359 All Right, Belle, before I said you loose, you know, 2671 02:04:21.479 --> 02:04:24.159 kind of a continuing theme on the show is to 2672 02:04:25.439 --> 02:04:28.439 kind of gauge the interest of our local community with 2673 02:04:28.520 --> 02:04:31.640 this new project and this new sport and this new team. 2674 02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:32.840 And I haven't been to every game. 2675 02:04:32.840 --> 02:04:36.159 I've been to three, and I think opening night was 2676 02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:39.880 probably not a level of passion that we could expect. 2677 02:04:39.600 --> 02:04:41.560 To see night at a night out. That's not a surprise. 2678 02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:44.119 But as you continue to make your way down to 2679 02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:47.560 the Delta Center to watch the Utah Hockey Club, how 2680 02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:49.800 do you feel like your community is supporting the team, 2681 02:04:50.239 --> 02:04:52.720 and how many of the jerseys or sweaters from the 2682 02:04:52.760 --> 02:04:56.279 other teams are you seeing And you know it's still early. 2683 02:04:56.479 --> 02:04:58.399 If you know, one of two things will happen for 2684 02:04:58.439 --> 02:05:00.399 them to get support. They're gonna be awesome, right which 2685 02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:02.119 is tough to do like Vegas was, or it's just 2686 02:05:02.159 --> 02:05:04.760 going to take some time and that's okay. But where 2687 02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:08.119 are we at right now January sixth seventh, excuse me 2688 02:05:08.840 --> 02:05:10.840 with this project? And how do you think the community 2689 02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:12.359 is supporting the Utah Hockey Club. 2690 02:05:13.800 --> 02:05:17.560 I mean, there are definitely away jerseys at basically every 2691 02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:19.800 game for warm ups and things like that. I think 2692 02:05:19.960 --> 02:05:22.079 for one reason is people want to see what's going 2693 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:24.199 on in Utah, they want to go to the Delta Center. 2694 02:05:24.760 --> 02:05:26.000 They kind of want to be a part of the 2695 02:05:26.039 --> 02:05:28.920 inaugural season. So I think people have you know, close 2696 02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:31.399 teams that have been traveling in in terms of fan base. 2697 02:05:31.439 --> 02:05:33.800 And also there's a lot of you know, Utah residents 2698 02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:35.840 that were just stands of other NHL teams because they 2699 02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:39.680 didn't have one. But that being said, I don't think 2700 02:05:39.720 --> 02:05:43.000 they ever truly outnumber the amount of Hockey Club fans 2701 02:05:43.000 --> 02:05:43.720 at Delta Center. 2702 02:05:43.760 --> 02:05:44.760 And way I. 2703 02:05:44.720 --> 02:05:48.159 Describe it, I think there's a core group of Utah 2704 02:05:48.279 --> 02:05:51.159 fans that are you know, die hard, They care a lot, 2705 02:05:51.239 --> 02:05:53.600 a lot a lot, and we see it, we interact 2706 02:05:53.600 --> 02:05:56.359 with them and so maybe it's not quantity yet, but 2707 02:05:56.399 --> 02:05:57.840 it's definitely quality. 2708 02:05:58.159 --> 02:05:58.920 And the people that. 2709 02:05:58.920 --> 02:06:02.159 Are there, they're loud, they're proud, and I think Brian Smith, 2710 02:06:02.199 --> 02:06:03.800 you know, he did a really cool thing for the 2711 02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:07.560 past few games. He's been opening up the the obstructive 2712 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:10.520 view seats that they usually don't sell, either for free 2713 02:06:10.640 --> 02:06:13.159 or for ten dollars, and it's you know, basically sold 2714 02:06:13.159 --> 02:06:17.000 out Delta Center. So that's been really cool, and it's 2715 02:06:17.159 --> 02:06:19.399 usually a pretty past crowd, you know, no matter what. 2716 02:06:19.479 --> 02:06:22.399 It's definitely not the level of atmosphere as you know, 2717 02:06:22.520 --> 02:06:25.159 Opening Night or anything like that. But I think I know, 2718 02:06:25.199 --> 02:06:27.800 you look back at last month the overtime win against 2719 02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:31.920 the Vancouver Canucks that felt close to Opening Night, and 2720 02:06:31.960 --> 02:06:34.079 I think fans are starting to understand the game more 2721 02:06:34.119 --> 02:06:36.920 and the cadence of the cheers and that type of thing. 2722 02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:39.560 So it definitely feels more like an NFL atmosphere. And 2723 02:06:39.960 --> 02:06:42.359 like I said, the people are that are there doing 2724 02:06:42.479 --> 02:06:45.520 you know, their very best to give these guys, you know, 2725 02:06:45.800 --> 02:06:48.680 the love and support that maybe they didn't have previously. 2726 02:06:49.439 --> 02:06:50.800 When do you think we're going to hear the name? 2727 02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:53.359 The final decision on what the name of the team 2728 02:06:53.359 --> 02:06:53.640 will be. 2729 02:06:54.760 --> 02:06:57.560 What we have been told is they won't announce anything 2730 02:06:57.760 --> 02:07:01.840 until the season's over. So I think the earliest, even 2731 02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:04.079 if they have it decided right now, the earliest that 2732 02:07:04.119 --> 02:07:05.920 we will know anything is. 2733 02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:09.159 I don't know if it's once Utah season is over, once. 2734 02:07:09.039 --> 02:07:10.680 The entire NHL season is over. 2735 02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:14.359 Yeah, So that's that's what we know about that. 2736 02:07:14.479 --> 02:07:17.239 It's kind of the same as they've said all year, 2737 02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:20.079 but it doesn't seem like there will be any breaking 2738 02:07:20.119 --> 02:07:22.239 news on that in the coming months. 2739 02:07:22.600 --> 02:07:23.920 It's going to be the yettie, isn't it. 2740 02:07:25.359 --> 02:07:27.720 I think that's what they're trying. I mean, I assume 2741 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:29.399 they said they want to go with what the fans 2742 02:07:29.439 --> 02:07:31.760 want and that one the pull, So I mean, I 2743 02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:34.159 think they're doing anything they can to please the fan base, 2744 02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:37.039 and YETI is what people want. So that'd be my 2745 02:07:37.119 --> 02:07:41.359 best guest, but that's, you know, based on limited information. 2746 02:07:41.960 --> 02:07:44.359 Okay, well, Bell, I always appreciate the time, Keep up 2747 02:07:44.359 --> 02:07:45.560 the great work and we'll chat soon. 2748 02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:48.600 Happy New Year, Okay, awesome, Thanks for having me. 2749 02:07:48.600 --> 02:07:50.920 All right, Belle Fraser salid Daria Man, she is good. 2750 02:07:50.960 --> 02:07:53.560 If you're looking for Utah Hockey Club knowledge, you should 2751 02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:55.119 definitely consume her work. 2752 02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:55.960 She is a pro. 2753 02:07:56.079 --> 02:07:59.279 She's at every practice, at every game. On Twitter at 2754 02:07:59.359 --> 02:08:01.920 Belle Frase one is where you find her. Of course, 2755 02:08:01.960 --> 02:08:05.840 support our good friends at The Tribune at sltrib dot com. 2756 02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:08.640 All right, what's going on? Drive at five time? 2757 02:08:08.720 --> 02:08:12.720 Your commute home on a Tuesday afternoon slash evening star 2758 02:08:12.840 --> 02:08:15.039 tred Now, it's been a pretty lovely day. 2759 02:08:15.079 --> 02:08:16.159 The sun has been shining. 2760 02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:19.039 It got up to about forty two degrees and or 2761 02:08:19.039 --> 02:08:21.560 a Tuesday in January, we will take it. Guys have 2762 02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:23.079 been blue, so it's been a nice day. I hope 2763 02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:24.880 you're off to a good start to your work week. 2764 02:08:24.960 --> 02:08:27.399 And keep us here during the five o'clock hour. We'll 2765 02:08:27.399 --> 02:08:30.560 take you home. We're gonna make space for Utah basketball 2766 02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:33.880 coming up Bill Riley as well as Sean Mooney Utah 2767 02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:37.199 Iowa State. Iowa State is not lost in ames Iowa 2768 02:08:37.319 --> 02:08:40.560 for twenty six straight basketball games. It's the fourth longest 2769 02:08:41.199 --> 02:08:44.279 home winning streak in college basketball, and Utah is badly 2770 02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:46.880 in need of a good showing. I don't know what's 2771 02:08:46.920 --> 02:08:50.000 reasonable to expect tonight. Utah's first two Big Twelve men's 2772 02:08:50.039 --> 02:08:52.960 basketball games have been let's see, not awesome. 2773 02:08:53.359 --> 02:08:56.199 Is I guess how we'll land there, So I. 2774 02:08:56.119 --> 02:08:59.680 Don't think a win is very reasonable for the Utes tonight. 2775 02:08:59.680 --> 02:09:02.399 Of course, anything could happen in the world of college basketball. 2776 02:09:02.399 --> 02:09:05.079 But with a spread at sixteen point five, you know, 2777 02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:07.159 can they make it interesting? Can they hang in down 2778 02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:09.000 the stretch? So you're gonna hear the game coming up 2779 02:09:09.039 --> 02:09:11.680 in just a little bit. As Craig is continuing to 2780 02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:13.800 try to build this thing up to a place of 2781 02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:18.079 respectability after a decent non con schedule, first two Big 2782 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:20.399 Twelve games have been rough, and of course this is 2783 02:09:20.439 --> 02:09:23.800 an unbelievable conference. They went to Baylor, got smoked. They 2784 02:09:23.840 --> 02:09:27.000 came home, played Texas Tech in Salt Lake, got smoke. 2785 02:09:27.079 --> 02:09:29.680 Speaking of Texas Tech, they're gonna be down in Provo tonight, 2786 02:09:30.520 --> 02:09:34.319 take on BYU, BYU locking their wounds after they got 2787 02:09:34.439 --> 02:09:37.600 dump trucked by Houston in their building. 2788 02:09:38.079 --> 02:09:39.840 This is a bear of a conference, man. 2789 02:09:39.960 --> 02:09:43.319 So we'll have a little men's college basketball action for 2790 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:46.000 you tonight. The Utah Jazz are at action tonight as well. 2791 02:09:46.039 --> 02:09:49.600 They welcome in a old friend. Quinn Snyder, former coach 2792 02:09:49.640 --> 02:09:51.880 of the Jazz for eight seasons, is now here coaching 2793 02:09:51.960 --> 02:09:56.760 the Atlanta Hawks. So of course, nothing but fond feelings 2794 02:09:56.760 --> 02:09:59.439 and memories for Quinn Snyder. I covered his eight years 2795 02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:01.920 here down at the old station, had him on my 2796 02:10:01.960 --> 02:10:04.199 show every week and was able to get to know 2797 02:10:04.239 --> 02:10:06.000 him and lucky enough to call him a friend and 2798 02:10:06.079 --> 02:10:08.359 always will cheer for him. So we'll see if the 2799 02:10:08.399 --> 02:10:10.239 Jazz can get a win tonight. They've won two straight 2800 02:10:10.279 --> 02:10:14.680 games after going to Florida and sweeping both the Miami 2801 02:10:14.680 --> 02:10:16.960 Heat and the Orlando Magic. We've got a little Duke 2802 02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:20.640 Duke Pittsburgh tonight. Pitt is coached by Jeff Capele, who 2803 02:10:20.720 --> 02:10:23.680 played his college ball for Mike Krzyzewski at Duke. By 2804 02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:26.840 the way, the ESPN seven hundred Cash Kickoff is here. 2805 02:10:27.239 --> 02:10:29.439 It's time for your shot to win one thousand dollars 2806 02:10:29.479 --> 02:10:32.239 cash to pay your bills. Text thrill to five oh 2807 02:10:32.239 --> 02:10:36.000 eight seven seven seven one thousand. That's thrill to five 2808 02:10:36.079 --> 02:10:39.159 oh eight seven seven seven seven seven one thousand for 2809 02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:41.479 a chance to win one thousand dollars in cash in 2810 02:10:41.520 --> 02:10:45.079 this nationwide contest. Good luck from those of us over 2811 02:10:45.119 --> 02:10:50.119 here at ESPN. So a fun show today, Lively show today. 2812 02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:53.640 You know, obviously one eye ahead to the college football 2813 02:10:53.720 --> 02:10:56.600 semi finals. Don't forget we are your home of the 2814 02:10:56.640 --> 02:10:59.319 best live football events in the market. You're gonna hear 2815 02:10:59.319 --> 02:11:03.119 the Hot and Bowl Texas Ohio State here on the station. 2816 02:11:03.239 --> 02:11:05.159 Then of course the Orange Bowl will be Penn State 2817 02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:08.600 Notre Dame. Notre Dame is one point five point favorite. 2818 02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:11.760 Ohio State is a five and a half point favorite, 2819 02:11:11.760 --> 02:11:13.960 and I gotta be honest, that line feels really low. 2820 02:11:14.079 --> 02:11:15.520 I think a lot of that is because they're going 2821 02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:19.479 to be playing down in Texas. Of course, University of 2822 02:11:19.520 --> 02:11:22.199 Texas will have a ton of fans there. Ohio State, 2823 02:11:22.239 --> 02:11:24.319 to me, is the superior team. I think we've seen 2824 02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:27.000 that Texas is gonna have to withhold the start from 2825 02:11:27.039 --> 02:11:30.159 Ohio State in a way that Oregon or Tennessee just couldn't. 2826 02:11:30.720 --> 02:11:33.720 Hoping for two good games then obviously the National Championship 2827 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:36.199 on January the twentieth, So college football kind of top 2828 02:11:36.199 --> 02:11:39.000 of mind awareness done some Utah Jazz on the show 2829 02:11:39.000 --> 02:11:41.319 tonight to get you this afternoon and tonight to get 2830 02:11:41.319 --> 02:11:43.640 you ready for the game this evening as the Atlantaks 2831 02:11:43.680 --> 02:11:46.239 are in town. And of course the NBA world right 2832 02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:49.920 now curious to see what the situation will be with 2833 02:11:50.039 --> 02:11:53.039 Jimmy Butler and when he will be traded? You know, 2834 02:11:53.079 --> 02:11:57.640 will he be traded? Where will that situation unfold? Only 2835 02:11:57.680 --> 02:12:00.239 time will tell. Some good NBA action Tonight, Turner as 2836 02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:03.079 the Lakers and the Mavericks on TNT, and then the 2837 02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:05.199 late night game is from Ball Arena. The Nuggets have 2838 02:12:05.239 --> 02:12:06.960 been better as of late, but the Celtics are in 2839 02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:10.720 town to take on Denver. Then obviously wild Card weekend 2840 02:12:10.760 --> 02:12:13.680 ahead in the NFL playoffs. Black Monday kind of turned 2841 02:12:13.720 --> 02:12:18.399 into Black Tuesday the radio. The Raiders have fired Antonio Pierce, 2842 02:12:18.520 --> 02:12:21.880 leading a lot of people to believe that Dion Sanders 2843 02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:25.279 may be contacted by the Raiders to take over that job. 2844 02:12:25.319 --> 02:12:28.159 And will they draft his son? Of course, only time 2845 02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:28.640 will tell. 2846 02:12:28.680 --> 02:12:31.680 But a lot of a lot of coaches losing their jobs, 2847 02:12:32.039 --> 02:12:34.920 a lot of coordinators losing their jobs. There's no update 2848 02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:39.119 on Jalen Hurts and his health. He is in concussion protocol. 2849 02:12:40.119 --> 02:12:43.640 The Eagles, according to essentially Vegas and the odds, are 2850 02:12:43.720 --> 02:12:45.920 one of four or five teams that actually have a 2851 02:12:46.239 --> 02:12:49.079 legitimate shot of winning a Super Bowl this year. 2852 02:12:49.119 --> 02:12:51.199 But of course they need their quarterback under center. 2853 02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:53.640 Looks like Jordan Love is fine, He's gonna play, but 2854 02:12:53.720 --> 02:12:56.119 Christian Watson has torn as afcl He's out for the 2855 02:12:56.159 --> 02:12:58.079 rest of the playoffs and probably the bulk of next 2856 02:12:58.159 --> 02:13:02.600 year as well. Two games on Saturday, Chargers, Texans, Steelers, Ravens, 2857 02:13:02.640 --> 02:13:06.439 and then the Sunday slate is Broncos, Bills, Packers, Eagles, Commanders, 2858 02:13:06.439 --> 02:13:09.359 and Bucks Monday. That game culminates with the Vikings and 2859 02:13:09.439 --> 02:13:13.199 the Rams. Kind of a sneaky big one for Sam Darnold, 2860 02:13:13.560 --> 02:13:15.840 who at this point has appears to have played his 2861 02:13:15.880 --> 02:13:18.920 way into either a franchise tag or a long term 2862 02:13:18.960 --> 02:13:22.039 contract with someone else. The Rams are actually an underdog 2863 02:13:22.079 --> 02:13:24.640 at home Minnesota one point five point favorite. 2864 02:13:24.880 --> 02:13:27.840 So the NFL playoffs rolling along, so busy show. 2865 02:13:27.880 --> 02:13:31.359 We had Sean mooneyon earlier to preview the Utah basketball 2866 02:13:31.359 --> 02:13:33.520 game tonight. All right, Porter, I'm gonna pose the question 2867 02:13:33.640 --> 02:13:37.680 to you. As I referenced Utah on the road tonight. 2868 02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:41.960 Iowa State is a sixteen point five point favorite. The 2869 02:13:42.119 --> 02:13:44.960 arena where Iowa State plays. I believe it's the Hilton 2870 02:13:45.000 --> 02:13:48.279 Arena that is a fortress. They have not lost there 2871 02:13:48.319 --> 02:13:52.079 in twenty six games. I don't think anybody's expecting a 2872 02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:56.239 Utah basketball win tonight. But what should what's best case 2873 02:13:56.279 --> 02:13:59.319 scenario is it close down the stretch. I mean, at 2874 02:13:59.319 --> 02:14:02.359 this point, as we talked to Sean about earlier, I 2875 02:14:02.399 --> 02:14:04.880 think all you fans are hoping for is to just 2876 02:14:05.000 --> 02:14:09.760 see some sort of tangible proof that this thing is 2877 02:14:09.840 --> 02:14:13.720 moving in the right direction. And the cruel honesty, I 2878 02:14:13.720 --> 02:14:15.199 don't know how we else to put it is there 2879 02:14:15.239 --> 02:14:17.640 really isn't a whole lot right now. They've had some injuries, 2880 02:14:17.680 --> 02:14:19.680 they've had some sickness, they've had some players leave for 2881 02:14:19.720 --> 02:14:24.000 personal reasons. I believe they're fully stocked tonight with the 2882 02:14:24.159 --> 02:14:28.319 entire group. So best case scenario, outside of a win, 2883 02:14:28.399 --> 02:14:32.000 which feels like really hard, you're essentially a seventeen point dog. 2884 02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:36.479 What would you fans see tonight that could lead them 2885 02:14:36.520 --> 02:14:38.640 feeling into the night and then tomorrow that Okay, maybe 2886 02:14:38.680 --> 02:14:40.000 some good things are happening with this team. 2887 02:14:40.119 --> 02:14:44.520 Ah cover that spread maybe, I mean, don't lose by eighteen. 2888 02:14:45.199 --> 02:14:48.199 They've lost their two big twelve games Spence by a 2889 02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:51.520 combined margin of I think sixty or so. Whatever it is, 2890 02:14:51.640 --> 02:14:55.760 it's between twenty five and thirty. And this is an 2891 02:14:55.760 --> 02:14:58.520 Iowa State team. There's not only twelve and one. They're 2892 02:14:58.520 --> 02:15:00.479 twelve and one. With their one law coming to one 2893 02:15:00.520 --> 02:15:02.239 of the better teams in the country in my opinion, 2894 02:15:02.439 --> 02:15:03.000 in Auburn. 2895 02:15:04.880 --> 02:15:07.359 It's a really really good basketball team. 2896 02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:11.119 And for you taw to go into specifically that arena 2897 02:15:11.159 --> 02:15:15.319 on the road, I mean, it's just really really tall 2898 02:15:15.399 --> 02:15:17.359 task to ask them to be in that game or 2899 02:15:17.720 --> 02:15:20.359 or you know, to win that game. But if you 2900 02:15:20.439 --> 02:15:24.079 cover the spread and if it's competitive into the second half, 2901 02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:26.840 I think you feel better than you did last week 2902 02:15:27.760 --> 02:15:32.079 right against Baylor and the other matchups you've had, it's 2903 02:15:32.159 --> 02:15:34.760 just it just hasn't been anywhere close to good enough. 2904 02:15:34.800 --> 02:15:39.399 So based on what we've seen so far, cover the spread, 2905 02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:41.880 make it somewhat competitive, and I think you leave with 2906 02:15:41.920 --> 02:15:46.359 a better feeling. Saying that out loud seems like a 2907 02:15:46.399 --> 02:15:48.359 pretty unfortunate place for U Tough fans to be though. 2908 02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:51.560 Yeah, And I know there's you know, there's a lot 2909 02:15:51.560 --> 02:15:54.880 of noise around Craig when it comes to you fans 2910 02:15:54.920 --> 02:15:58.479 wondering why this basketball program, and you know what, if 2911 02:15:58.520 --> 02:16:01.239 you really call it how it is, it's been twenty years, 2912 02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:03.920 you know, maybe even a little bit more than that, 2913 02:16:04.000 --> 02:16:08.000 since Utah basketball had like a consistent run, not a 2914 02:16:08.079 --> 02:16:10.760 one or two year spike period when Yakub was here, 2915 02:16:10.920 --> 02:16:15.439 Delon was here, Kuzma had a minute. You know, coach coach, 2916 02:16:15.560 --> 02:16:17.960 coach Kroskoviak did have a couple of really good teams 2917 02:16:18.319 --> 02:16:22.159 Luka Dertca, you know that team with Neville they went 2918 02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:24.479 to the I think that was a boiling team where 2919 02:16:24.479 --> 02:16:26.560 they went to the NAA NCAA Tournament. 2920 02:16:26.560 --> 02:16:28.039 It's a five seed. I want to say they lost 2921 02:16:28.039 --> 02:16:29.039 to Arizona round one. 2922 02:16:29.079 --> 02:16:32.680 Nobody gives a rip, but we have had these moments 2923 02:16:33.280 --> 02:16:36.360 where it feels like maybe the basketball program is backheaded 2924 02:16:36.360 --> 02:16:37.120 in the right direction. 2925 02:16:37.319 --> 02:16:39.959 And look, it's I've talked about this for years. 2926 02:16:40.879 --> 02:16:44.639 It's unequivocently unfair to talk about the Majeris years as 2927 02:16:44.879 --> 02:16:48.040 something that we could potentially see again. That feels like, 2928 02:16:49.200 --> 02:16:52.440 you know, one of those golden times of Utah basketball 2929 02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:54.959 that was certainly enjoyable. I was in the school at 2930 02:16:55.000 --> 02:16:57.760 the University of Utah when Rick was the coach, and 2931 02:16:58.000 --> 02:16:59.680 you know, was friendly with a lot of those players, 2932 02:16:59.680 --> 02:17:01.639 played with them, played against a lot of them, coluding 2933 02:17:01.639 --> 02:17:04.799 Britton Johnson. They were a fun team to watching. It 2934 02:17:04.840 --> 02:17:08.200 was a fun time for Utah basketball. And you know, 2935 02:17:08.280 --> 02:17:10.959 it's unfair to hold the program to a standard like that, 2936 02:17:11.120 --> 02:17:14.200 but it's got to be better than it's been. And 2937 02:17:14.600 --> 02:17:17.040 there is an element of this conversation to the chicken 2938 02:17:17.120 --> 02:17:19.639 or the egg, because look, if you're a highly sought 2939 02:17:19.680 --> 02:17:23.559 after high school basketball player or a transfer that is 2940 02:17:23.600 --> 02:17:25.399 looking for a new place to play, which of course 2941 02:17:25.479 --> 02:17:29.319 is the reality of building a modern day program, whether 2942 02:17:29.360 --> 02:17:32.200 it's basketball or football, breaking news, you want to play 2943 02:17:32.360 --> 02:17:35.719 in front of fans. I know that sounds old fashion, 2944 02:17:35.879 --> 02:17:39.120 but I don't care whatever level you played at play. 2945 02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:42.280 You know, whatever level you played, it was always way 2946 02:17:42.399 --> 02:17:45.159 more exciting. If you're playing in front of people, it's 2947 02:17:45.159 --> 02:17:48.319 a different energy. And that building is not how juice 2948 02:17:48.319 --> 02:17:51.760 in it for years consistently. Like I said, there's always 2949 02:17:51.799 --> 02:17:54.639 been moments here or there. And I'm not one to 2950 02:17:54.639 --> 02:17:56.760 tell anybody what to do with your money, what to 2951 02:17:56.760 --> 02:17:59.520 do with your budget, and I guess you can't go 2952 02:17:59.600 --> 02:18:02.440 to every right, You've got to pick and choose. So 2953 02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:07.200 would what a healthy investment from the community change the 2954 02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:11.000 trajectory of the basketball program If everybody listening right now 2955 02:18:11.040 --> 02:18:13.600 and everybody who loves youth athletics just said screw it, 2956 02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:18.159 I'm going to every basketball game and these young high 2957 02:18:18.200 --> 02:18:23.200 school recruits are potential transfers. They visit campus and they 2958 02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:26.879 go see, you know, UTA's got some really fun home 2959 02:18:26.959 --> 02:18:27.639 games this year. 2960 02:18:27.680 --> 02:18:29.559 Of course, BYU they'll have Baylor. 2961 02:18:30.319 --> 02:18:32.959 You know, They've got Kansas, They've got k State, They've 2962 02:18:32.959 --> 02:18:36.959 got ASU, West Virginia. Some really good teams are going 2963 02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:40.079 to be the Huntsman Center this year. And if there's 2964 02:18:40.079 --> 02:18:43.079 a high school recruit that comes to the BYU game 2965 02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:45.120 and it's BYU Utah and there are a ton of 2966 02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:48.680 fans there and sixty percent of the building is not blue, 2967 02:18:49.840 --> 02:18:52.760 and Utah pulls off an upset, is that a shot 2968 02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:55.280 of adrenaline for a program that badly needs it. 2969 02:18:55.399 --> 02:18:56.639 I don't know. 2970 02:18:58.120 --> 02:19:00.399 I just know that if you're Craig, it's got to 2971 02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:03.959 be really difficult to inspire kids to come play at 2972 02:19:04.000 --> 02:19:07.120 Utah When they come to visit and they go see 2973 02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:09.200 a home game and there are there's a handful of 2974 02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:11.440 people there. I mean, I've been a plenty of them, 2975 02:19:11.440 --> 02:19:15.399 nobody goes. I wonder if that changes for the big games, 2976 02:19:15.760 --> 02:19:18.440 And maybe this Big twelve inclusion can get Craig a 2977 02:19:18.440 --> 02:19:22.479 little bit more exposure as a result of the opponents, 2978 02:19:22.600 --> 02:19:24.719 and maybe you can parlay that into something. I have 2979 02:19:24.799 --> 02:19:30.040 no idea, but I think it would help a lot. 2980 02:19:30.719 --> 02:19:34.200 And I chuckle as I say this, because if you 2981 02:19:34.319 --> 02:19:37.639 show up and pack the building and you're loud and proud, 2982 02:19:37.639 --> 02:19:40.040 and you're supportive and there's juice, that would help the program. 2983 02:19:40.159 --> 02:19:42.280 But at the same time, the team has to provide 2984 02:19:42.319 --> 02:19:46.000 something for you to cheer for consistently and tangibly. And 2985 02:19:46.040 --> 02:19:47.879 it's just been a while since the product has been 2986 02:19:47.879 --> 02:19:51.239 good enough, consistently enough for the community to be overly invested, 2987 02:19:52.399 --> 02:19:55.040 you know. And I know there are conversations about whether 2988 02:19:55.120 --> 02:19:57.200 or not the team gets the support they need. I 2989 02:19:57.239 --> 02:19:59.840 don't know, man, I think that building probably needs a 2990 02:19:59.879 --> 02:20:03.280 fing lift. The concessions are not awesome, and certainly there 2991 02:20:03.319 --> 02:20:05.280 are ancillary things you could do to improve the game 2992 02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:07.479 day experience. But when the product you're watching on the 2993 02:20:07.479 --> 02:20:10.680 floor is subpar and has been for quite some time, 2994 02:20:10.920 --> 02:20:13.520 and then it's not used to you know, it's not 2995 02:20:14.079 --> 02:20:16.639 what we're accustomed to seeing. If you've been watching Utah 2996 02:20:16.680 --> 02:20:19.920 basketball for longer than a few years, you remember when 2997 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:22.360 the Huntsman Center was packed, and you remember when the 2998 02:20:22.440 --> 02:20:26.200 quality of basketball was high on the Utah side of things, 2999 02:20:26.239 --> 02:20:28.760 And yeah, it's different. In the Big Twelve and the 3000 02:20:28.799 --> 02:20:33.200 competition gaming in game out is something that Utah basketball 3001 02:20:33.239 --> 02:20:35.479 has never seen before in the history of the program. 3002 02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:39.200 But hopefully that's a rising tide effect. And I don't 3003 02:20:39.239 --> 02:20:40.879 know what comes first, the chicken or the egg. Do 3004 02:20:40.879 --> 02:20:43.520 you give them the great product consistently to come cheer 3005 02:20:43.559 --> 02:20:45.120 and then do the whole field of dreams? 3006 02:20:45.159 --> 02:20:48.159 If you build it, they will come. Thing in the community. 3007 02:20:48.239 --> 02:20:51.000 Do the basketball program a favor by packing that building 3008 02:20:51.120 --> 02:20:52.959 to give Craig something else to sell. There's probably a 3009 02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:55.120 bit of truth in all of it, right, And I'm look, 3010 02:20:55.120 --> 02:20:57.719 I don't blame you for not necessarily packing the building, 3011 02:20:58.319 --> 02:21:00.639 But if we ever want to see this basketball program 3012 02:21:01.000 --> 02:21:03.959 get back to even respectability, I mean, most people believe 3013 02:21:03.959 --> 02:21:06.000 they're gonna finish close to the last in the Big twelve, 3014 02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:09.760 certainly something needs to change. B Hyu welcomes in Texas 3015 02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:12.639 Tech to Provo tonight. Texas Tech got Utah good by 3016 02:21:12.719 --> 02:21:16.719 you got undressed against Houston and Utah State top twenty 3017 02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:19.840 five team. Now Utah State Jered Calhoun fourteen and one, 3018 02:21:19.920 --> 02:21:22.680 four to zero. Conference play there at San Jose State tonight. 3019 02:21:24.040 --> 02:21:26.840 So there you go. Some college some college football supporter 3020 02:21:26.959 --> 02:21:29.760 before we send it over to Bill and Sean. We 3021 02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:33.159 have a simmering beef in the market. Oh a beef 3022 02:21:33.639 --> 02:21:37.680 Bill's involved. Oh no, I don't know if you heard, 3023 02:21:37.680 --> 02:21:40.399 but Craig Bolerjack was named Utah Broadcaster of the Year today. 3024 02:21:40.479 --> 02:21:42.280 I did hear about that. You know how many awards 3025 02:21:42.280 --> 02:21:48.559 that is for Bowler? Sixteen three? That's one more than Bill. No, 3026 02:21:48.639 --> 02:21:50.559 they both have three. Oh they have three. Oh, Bill's 3027 02:21:50.559 --> 02:21:52.120 three times. Okay, but yeah, you didn't hear any the 3028 02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:55.239 ads of the liners. Are you kidding? You're right? So 3029 02:21:55.280 --> 02:21:57.959 we have Bill and we have Bowler three times. 3030 02:21:58.200 --> 02:22:00.719 Sarah's two time. Now Sarah is Sarah TI. Congrats to 3031 02:22:00.760 --> 02:22:04.319 Sarah Todd our Queen DEAs Red News. She won Utah 3032 02:22:04.360 --> 02:22:07.600 Sports Rider. You're today for the second time. But I 3033 02:22:07.639 --> 02:22:10.239 you know, I don't know when this award was. You 3034 02:22:10.280 --> 02:22:12.959 know where you had to like Venmo west Russ wef 3035 02:22:13.159 --> 02:22:16.959 you know what's his name, Wes Ruff twenty bucks to 3036 02:22:17.040 --> 02:22:18.319 like win it or whatever. I don't know when this 3037 02:22:18.360 --> 02:22:20.319 whole thing started. What you have to like join to 3038 02:22:20.360 --> 02:22:25.879 get it or whatever. But Bill and Bowler are now 3039 02:22:25.920 --> 02:22:27.280 the only three time winners. 3040 02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:27.959 Wow. 3041 02:22:28.959 --> 02:22:33.200 So there are several this is a topic tree, right, 3042 02:22:36.079 --> 02:22:39.559 This is a topic tree because there are several branches. 3043 02:22:38.959 --> 02:22:42.600 Here, namely, how do you feel if you're Greg Rubel. 3044 02:22:43.719 --> 02:22:47.040 Completely and completely forgotten about that? 3045 02:22:47.200 --> 02:22:47.840 That's ridiculous. 3046 02:22:47.840 --> 02:22:50.639 I bet Rubel. I don't know, but I bet Rubell 3047 02:22:50.680 --> 02:22:53.680 has pissed today. If Bowler's wanted twice, or excuse me, 3048 02:22:53.680 --> 02:22:56.520 if Bowler's now wanted three times and the voice of 3049 02:22:56.559 --> 02:23:00.799 the Utes, Bill Ridley, has wanted three times, Gobel passed 3050 02:23:00.799 --> 02:23:01.520 to feel slided? 3051 02:23:01.920 --> 02:23:04.000 Yeah, I mean it's just a matter of time though, right, 3052 02:23:04.079 --> 02:23:05.440 I don't have a list in front of me. 3053 02:23:06.280 --> 02:23:08.559 As far as who are the multi time winners, I 3054 02:23:08.600 --> 02:23:11.879 would imagine Greg has won it once because what has 3055 02:23:11.920 --> 02:23:15.920 revealed itself is they simply just circulate through the same 3056 02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:19.120 like five people. So maybe Rubel is due. But I 3057 02:23:19.399 --> 02:23:23.520 want to know how Bill feels about Bowler winning his 3058 02:23:23.639 --> 02:23:26.399 third Utah Sports Broadcaster of the Year award, and they're 3059 02:23:26.520 --> 02:23:29.760 therefore putting Bowler on the same level as Bill. 3060 02:23:29.799 --> 02:23:31.399 Maybe I'll get them in studio together. 3061 02:23:31.639 --> 02:23:36.079 Ooh, YouTube, let's create a beef because I just have 3062 02:23:36.159 --> 02:23:39.879 to wonder if if there's jealousy, if there's outright hatred, 3063 02:23:40.040 --> 02:23:41.399 is there mutual respects. 3064 02:23:41.479 --> 02:23:44.440 Why don't we just tell Bill there's some beef. Tell 3065 02:23:44.559 --> 02:23:45.879 Bowler there's some beef. 3066 02:23:47.079 --> 02:23:47.280 There. 3067 02:23:47.319 --> 02:23:50.600 You tell Bill, I'll tell Bowler and we'll get them 3068 02:23:50.600 --> 02:23:53.360 at odds when they're in studio. I like it all 3069 02:23:53.479 --> 02:23:56.040 right before we Saga night to get you over to 3070 02:23:56.079 --> 02:23:58.200 some Mutah men's basketball shout out to Bowler. 3071 02:23:58.239 --> 02:23:59.000 Congrats to Bowler. 3072 02:23:59.000 --> 02:24:01.000 By the way, Utah Sports broadcast over the year in 3073 02:24:01.079 --> 02:24:04.239 Sarah Todd for her Utah Sports Rider of the Year, 3074 02:24:04.280 --> 02:24:06.040 I want to tell you about my friends at Prize Picks. 3075 02:24:06.079 --> 02:24:08.440 It's the best place to get real, real money sports action. 3076 02:24:08.520 --> 02:24:12.280 With over ten billion members billions of dollars in awarded winnings, 3077 02:24:12.319 --> 02:24:15.399 Prize Picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all. 3078 02:24:15.479 --> 02:24:16.319 It's very easy. 3079 02:24:17.040 --> 02:24:19.920 If you've ever wanted to get involved in the sports 3080 02:24:19.959 --> 02:24:22.120 gambling space, this is the way you can do it 3081 02:24:22.239 --> 02:24:25.440 without needing to learn over unders or spreads or money 3082 02:24:25.440 --> 02:24:29.360 line or the hook. 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On a Wednesday, Neil Smith drops by 3103 02:25:20.520 --> 02:25:24.440 talking to Utah Hockey Club and the former former Utah 3104 02:25:24.600 --> 02:25:26.280 Sports Broadcaster of the Year Bill Riley. 3105 02:25:26.360 --> 02:25:29.719 Oh no, so Ryles is on the show tomorrow, Yes, 3106 02:25:29.760 --> 02:25:32.239 and then Bowler on Thursday. So we're okay, we got 3107 02:25:32.280 --> 02:25:32.479 to going. 3108 02:25:32.600 --> 02:25:34.319 I just want to make sure that he's not hurt, 3109 02:25:34.520 --> 02:25:37.360 so we'll check in on the Once upon a Time 3110 02:25:37.479 --> 02:25:40.879 Utah Sports Broadcaster of the Year tomorrow and then the actual. 3111 02:25:40.559 --> 02:25:43.719 Utah sports broadcaster the You're on Thursday. That is ah, 3112 02:25:43.879 --> 02:25:44.399 that's the plan. 3113 02:25:44.520 --> 02:25:44.879 All right. 3114 02:25:44.959 --> 02:25:45.719 Well that was saying night. 3115 02:25:45.799 --> 02:25:48.840 Especially thank you Sean Moody, Tim McMahon, Scott Mitchell, Bell Fraser. 3116 02:25:48.840 --> 02:25:50.680 If you of the sounding miss go to the website 3117 02:25:51.239 --> 02:25:53.799 ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. Check out our podcast 3118 02:25:53.840 --> 02:25:56.120 pages called The Drive with Spence. Check its available wherever 3119 02:25:56.120 --> 02:25:58.799 you get your show. Subscribe, rate rate reviews, say nice things, 3120 02:25:58.840 --> 02:25:59.840 give us all the stars.