WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:03.279 What's going down? Everybody, your good friend Ryan, Uncle Brando 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:06.719 here dropping in quick before the show with a little 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:09.160 bit of news. We had a local member of our 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:12.759 community the other day pass away. Ryan Christie was his name. 5 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:15.919 Hell of a magic player, and we wanted to take 6 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.120 a minute to dedicate the show to him today. 7 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:19.079 He's a good dude. 8 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:21.960 He was a Ryan said, pillar of the Regina Magic community, 9 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.079 a good friend to our good friend Keel. We got 10 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.320 to meet him, break bread with him, drink beer with him, 11 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:28.480 and our hearts and thoughts go out to his family 12 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:30.399 and friends and this time. It's always terrible when you 13 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.679 lose somebody that's close to especially when they're so young, 14 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.000 So we want to dedicate it today's show to him 15 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:37.039 and his loved ones. 16 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:43.359 He was the commarical podcast episode for already one. I'm 17 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:45.119 brand O him. Here's Brian. Everyone talk about the band. 18 00:00:45.119 --> 00:01:03.320 Listen now our things. 19 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.560 Hey Ryan, We're back for yes another Whirlwind adventure. How 20 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:10.840 you doing good? What is going down? 21 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:13.599 Whole bunch is going down. We're gonna talk about the 22 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:15.799 ban list and whether we think that those cards should 23 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:18.680 remain out of the game forever or become part of 24 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.400 the game Changer list. We got some stories to tell, 25 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.439 some people to thank. Before we get to any of that, 26 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:25.439 we have to thank for official business Dad is Fusion 27 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:27.840 Gaming Online dot Com at your source for all your 28 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.879 gaming needs, where you gonna use special promo code CCO 29 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:33.359 Holidays say five percent off all of your band cards, 30 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.040 one of which I bought because I didn't. 31 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:36.599 Realize it was on the list. We'll talk about that 32 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:37.560 when we get to it. 33 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:40.159 I love what that kind of stuff happened, especially to you. 34 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:44.760 And any other card that we talk about here today. 35 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:46.959 We also want to thank Pile the Bones Brewing Co. 36 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:49.239 They're the second coolest thing to come out of Regina, 37 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:51.959 as well as being the official beer sponsor for c CEO. 38 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:58.439 Sidewalk Slam Season three just premiered right here on YouTube. 39 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:00.719 All baby, look at it's on the back TV. You'd 40 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.959 see that if you're watching on YouTube, which should be 41 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:05.560 and you should watch Sidewalk Slam on YouTube as well. Yeah, 42 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.479 very much, so big thanks to producer Gary who is 43 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.759 working the production behind the scenes today. We appreciate that, 44 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.960 and of course the whole dufferin Avenue Media Network Network, 45 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.159 Studio Network Network, yep. 46 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.639 And I would not be here without the Network, Yes. 47 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.960 Very much so. And the Business Daddies. I just got 48 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.879 a a shipment from the Business Daddies. Ordered it used 49 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:34.000 CEO holiday promo code. Showed up in three days at 50 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.400 a discount. Playing Magic the Gathering cards with those cards 51 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:41.080 now nicely done? Yeah, very much so, Yellow Basic Lands, 52 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:44.120 How did you get two two to one? I don't 53 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.479 run very many basics in a four color deck? Uncle Brando, 54 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:47.759 who get with the program? 55 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.479 Blood Moon? Blood Moon? Not a game? 56 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.479 Can no, no, so okay. Over the last last couple 57 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:58.319 of weeks, we've been talking about the new bracket matchmaking 58 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:04.280 system to I guess mixed opinions. Are things going to change? 59 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:06.400 Should we do anything different? If you want to know 60 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.159 our opinions, and like, I think at this point in time, 61 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:11.280 pretty comprehensive breakdown of our thoughts. 62 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.240 Yeah, we've been talking about it for two weeks, two weeks. 63 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:15.240 It has to be comprehensive. 64 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.120 Plus on the pre show as well for two weeks. 65 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:20.759 So we've got several hours worth of stuff. If you 66 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.800 haven't watched it yet, go check it out. I think 67 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:25.680 we did a pretty good job. We got some compliments, 68 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.759 we got a lot of like intel and extras. Thoughts 69 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:33.680 provided to us in our discord, which is a wonderful 70 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.800 benefit to becoming a Patreon supporter. 71 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:38.520 Lots of people said that, wait, wait, hang on, hang on, 72 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.520 Oh yeah, Patreon dot com, slas Cco podcast, if you 73 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.319 would like to become a Patreon every little bit helps 74 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:45.120 you wouldn't. 75 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:49.120 Be here without them very much. So okay, so I noticed, sorry, 76 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:50.159 And then back to what I'm saying now. 77 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.680 From stretching here, I noticed on from what I saw 78 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:54.240 on the discord, I couldn't get through all of it 79 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:56.639 because I'm bad at discord. And it's because he's one hundred, 80 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:58.360 because I'm a thousand years old. 81 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:01.319 A lot of this I saw sound that. 82 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.759 Is like, yeah, it works fine, but it's basically just 83 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:05.319 the same as the ten system. 84 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:06.000 Yes, so. 85 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:12.199 Every every much ado about nothing maybe well a little bit, 86 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:13.599 a little bit it is. 87 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.240 But and this is the final thing I'll say on it. 88 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.519 No what I say, two things, two things I always say, right, okay, 89 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:25.360 So every one bracket counts as two. Now, A one 90 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.879 is a one or two, A two is a three 91 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:33.560 or a four. A three it's five or six, A 92 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.439 four is a seven or an eight. 93 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:36.160 There we go. 94 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.560 There it is and then a five is a nine 95 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.000 or ten excellent. That's the first thing. The second thing is, 96 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.759 and this is the final thing is it's it gives 97 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.800 us actual tools, gives us the language, It gives us 98 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.079 something official, something more concrete than what the commands on 99 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.079 said like five years ago. Yes, it's like a seven, 100 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:56.879 I don't know whatever. 101 00:04:57.759 --> 00:04:59.879 Every dex of seven now, every dex to three. 102 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.399 Now if we if we wanted to maybe make our 103 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:07.639 decks into fours or fives or sixes or sevens, we 104 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.279 could play some band cards, but we wouldn't be allowed to. 105 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:11.800 Yes, we would be then cheating. 106 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:13.879 So what we have to do is change the rules 107 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:15.519 so that we can play banded cards. 108 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.680 Or wait until when is it April? When the next 109 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:24.639 like the game Changer and band list updates are going 110 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:27.680 to come out, And I think we're gonna see some changes. 111 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.160 I would be surprised if we didn't see changes. 112 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.279 I would be shocked and in. 113 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:34.600 The way of or this is how I think changes 114 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.879 are going to happen. Is card on band list gets 115 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:39.680 put onto game changer list. 116 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.839 Do you think there's gonna be a tiered game Changer list? 117 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:43.360 I don't want there to be, no, But do you 118 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.720 think there will no because then that's another list exactly. 119 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:47.480 That's why don't want people are already One of the 120 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.040 criticisms is people are already saying, oh, well, why do 121 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.680 we need a game changer's list that's like a point 122 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:57.199 system like Canadian Highlander has, or it's a secondary list 123 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.600 when there's already a banded list. Blah blah blah. We 124 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.120 don't need to make it any more complicated. We don't 125 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.480 need the barrier to entry to be any higher for 126 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.000 new players, right, But when you take a card off 127 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.480 the band list, that does make it available for play 128 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:17.160 at a certain kind of expected power level of deck three, 129 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:22.199 Tier three, bracket three, four or five. So when you 130 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:26.120 do that, what you're doing is functionally eliminating it out 131 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.079 of pre conplay or lower powered play. And I think 132 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:34.399 that that's great because these cards are on the band 133 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:39.040 list because obviously they're very powerful. Obviously they're going to 134 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:40.560 change games that they're in. 135 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:42.120 What list are we looking at? 136 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.120 Here we on the screen because this is not the oh, 137 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:46.920 this is the legacy bands. 138 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:50.680 These cards are not banned on Commander, my guy, Commander bandless. 139 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:51.199 Here we go. 140 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.920 So we have got and I don't even know how 141 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.000 many cards are on the Commander band list. Let's say 142 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:57.839 that there's like forty. 143 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.720 We're going to go through the ones that are worth 144 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:01.639 talking about. Yep. 145 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:03.759 So we're gonna skip the Power nine, We're gonna skip 146 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:04.680 the Dexterity cards. 147 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:06.560 We're gonna like flip it up in the fucking sky 148 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:07.319 and blow on it. 149 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:08.839 And if it stays in the air for ten minutes, 150 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:10.480 if it touches a card to blow the card up, 151 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:11.920 you're gonna skip that kind of shit. 152 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:14.000 Though I wish that that one was nat I wish 153 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:15.360 Chaos Orb was unbanned. 154 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.759 So bad it costs so many dollars. 155 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.319 I feel like it wouldn't really matter if it came 156 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.879 off the band list, but I understand why it's on 157 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:23.480 the right. 158 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:24.759 Yes, you gotta leave it. 159 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.199 It's an it's an eight or nine hundred dollars magic card. 160 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.000 Can you imagine if it came off the band list 161 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.800 what that price would dude go to? Like ten grand? 162 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:31.519 Oh yeah? 163 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.160 And then and it's a you physically have to throw 164 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:35.360 it around to play it. 165 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.680 The best part, that's the best part. Oh man, do 166 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.600 you remember, oh man, do you remember when Rick whoever 167 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.439 it was, David David Manning it was. It was somebody 168 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.040 in our local community. It's like doing his fucking warm 169 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.560 ups and ship stretches to throw his chaos orb throws 170 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:54.879 it and he goes right onto his board, blows up 171 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:58.000 like six of his land oh his own ship. 172 00:07:58.160 --> 00:07:59.839 Oh man, that was very funny. 173 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.560 It's such a ridiculous card. That's why I want it 174 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:03.199 to be unbanned. 175 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.639 Agreed. Anyways, I would certainly play it if I could. Now. 176 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.079 You went to DH Night Magic EDH and M the 177 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.480 other day yesterday and talked with a bunch of CCIO 178 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:16.240 dude bros. Took it to the boys on Beer with 179 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:17.800 the Boys band list. 180 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.120 Beer with the Boys, Yes, b B b oh with 181 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:25.079 Uncle Brando Yes yeah okay, and. 182 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:30.839 You talked about which cards should very definitely be banned forever, 183 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.919 like life in prison, no chance of role. And you 184 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:38.679 talked about what could potentially come off and. 185 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:42.120 Come game changers and thereby b cards that are okay. 186 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:43.600 And I love to play the game where we pit 187 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.000 two cards against each other and see which one, if 188 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.039 we had to gun to our head unbanned one, keep 189 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.320 the other band And I want to kind of just 190 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.840 go through the list in this way, like like my 191 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:57.519 way and the way that you did yesterday to kind 192 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:59.919 of pick and put our opinions out there. Okay, okay, 193 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:01.600 where do you want to start, Like just at the top. 194 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:03.039 Let's start at the top with balance. 195 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.279 Balance. Okay, this is a two manna, this is white 196 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:12.639 one sorcery, and everybody sacks down to the least number of. 197 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.080 Everything essentially everything lands creatures cards in hand. You see 198 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:20.039 who has the least, then everybody has that many, thus 199 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.080 bringing the game into balance. 200 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.080 Yes, and Balance was a card that they also reprinted 201 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.600 with uh suspend called restore Balance. So this is an 202 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.960 effect that we can already play, right, Yes, so I 203 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.960 guess with restore Balance it is telegraphed. 204 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.399 You see it comming from I think three three turns. 205 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.159 Though you can with the timey wymy pre con if 206 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:45.559 you want to take some of those cards, you can 207 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.639 speed run your time counters with the same turn. But 208 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:52.720 that's not that good because it's still telegraphed and people 209 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.159 still know that this is the kind of shit you're doing. Right, 210 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.799 So should Balance be banned or unbanned? 211 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.559 I'm fine with it being banned. Not because we learned, 212 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:03.720 we learned a new term. 213 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.159 I don't know if we learned a new term. 214 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:06.879 But one of the things that a couple of the 215 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.960 guys like to talk about last night was the term 216 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:11.000 chaos gremlin. 217 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.120 Okay, and I feel that's where. 218 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.679 A lot of at least in our group's consensus, people 219 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:17.879 were thinking that their regards that were on this list 220 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.799 because of the chaos gremlin. The guy that just the 221 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:25.039 guy that just randomly plays armagedinon like just because it's funny. 222 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:26.720 Oh, yeah, I call it. 223 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:28.600 They do it to make the griefers is what I 224 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.200 call that. Yes, yes, play it to make you mad. 225 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.759 The griefer is is an I think a more universal term. 226 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.240 The term that I use a lot of the times 227 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.679 is like social immaturity. They don't know that this isn't 228 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:44.200 an appropriate way to play the game. 229 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:45.399 To most people. 230 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:49.720 Yeah, and balance would be the kind of thing that 231 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.080 if it becomes unbanned, you go to a big magic 232 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.440 Facebook group with one hundred thousand people in it, and 233 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.039 somebody types in, oh, what's the best way to break balance? 234 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.799 I want to piss my friends off exactly. 235 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:01.919 Yes, that's the guy. 236 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:03.919 Yes, those are the guys that you're you're looking out for. 237 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.200 Can you play a balance? I'm gonna use the words 238 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.519 responsibly and use it to win games. Absolutely you can. 239 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:11.159 I could absolutely do it. 240 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.320 I would put it in stacks decks or in planes 241 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.519 Walker decks like people put Armageddon in where you don't 242 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.799 actually care if you eliminate all of your own version 243 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:23.879 of this resource, because you still have like planes Walkers. 244 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:26.519 You still have value and over yeah. 245 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.360 Turnover turn to get your advantage back. Man, a card 246 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:30.879 advantage tokens whatever. 247 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:32.840 Right, And I think just because like at the low end, 248 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:34.600 Balance is going to be a card that somebody's just 249 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.720 gonna play because they're behind, and now everybody's behind, and 250 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.960 it kind of just, let's just say, ways, it fucks 251 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.240 the game up. Yeah, And so I feel like that's 252 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.039 probably why it for me, that's. 253 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:46.960 Why it could stay on the band list. 254 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.759 I don't want somebody to just I've been random Armageddon 255 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.919 before and it sucks. And I feel like random Balance 256 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.000 is even a little bit worse because it makes it 257 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.039 difficult to. 258 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.360 To It's more than it's more than one thing, right, 259 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.279 It's not just your lands like Armageddon. It's your lands 260 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.399 and your cards in hand and your creatures and your 261 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.039 artifacts like it's everything, right, Okay, So I want to 262 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.120 do a thing here. Okay, we talked about balance. What 263 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.639 about Worldfire. Now Worldfire costs like eight, but it does 264 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:19.120 kind of the same thing. Yeah, now also costing eight, 265 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:21.679 also doing kind of the same thing when you build 266 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:25.679 around it and do the responsible thing. Next card, bio Rhythm. 267 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:26.200 Yeah. 268 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.039 Now all of these cards, Balance, bio Rhythm, World Fire, 269 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.279 I would consider them the same type of card when 270 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.440 used to win the game. Yes, I have one damage 271 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.000 on the stack and I Worldfire. Everybody's life becomes one 272 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.440 and everybody's permanence go bye bye. Then I win. Or 273 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:48.000 planes walkers with Balance or bio Rhythm, is life totals 274 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:49.279 become equal to creatures? 275 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:49.879 Yes? 276 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.919 If I cast Wrath of God, play a one drop, 277 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:56.360 and then play a bio Rhythm, my life goes to one. 278 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:57.519 Your life goes to zero. 279 00:12:57.919 --> 00:12:58.120 Yes. 280 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:02.639 Or a player three Wrath of God and kills all 281 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:04.639 the dudes and then passes to you, and then you 282 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.039 play Biogorrhythm and everybody else dies except. 283 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:10.720 For them, all the old offensive, defensive Biogrhythm. 284 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:12.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 285 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:16.639 Okay, so Balance was our first card. We're unbanning it, 286 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.279 are we we are? Okay, but but hear me out. Okay, 287 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:23.360 we're pitting it against bioorhythm. One of them has to 288 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.440 be banned, one of them is gonna be unbanned. 289 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:28.440 Why dounbanned bio Rhythm and Heartbeat Heartbeat bi rhythm on 290 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:32.360 absolutely Why because it does the same thing to a 291 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.840 game as a card like Torment of Hillfire, a really 292 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:41.200 big Comet, Storm, Cyclonic Rift, all those cards of the. 293 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.399 Same creator hoof Behemoth, you world Fire. 294 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.799 You invest a large amount of manna and it probably 295 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:49.759 results in you winning the game. This one just actually 296 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:52.799 says you win the game on it. Yeah, it requires 297 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.000 lots of work on your behalf. It requires a board 298 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.080 state that has to be carefully sculpted. You could certainly 299 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.399 eat shit off of it as well if somebody paths 300 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.399 the creature that you play to make you survive. 301 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.039 Your own bi rhythm or die to your own virhythm. Yes, so, 302 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:07.120 I don't know. 303 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.159 I think that this is a perfectly fine card to 304 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:10.120 come off the band last. 305 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.039 Oh no, you know what I like. I like path 306 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:14.960 your guy, you're going to die to your own bi rhythm. 307 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.480 But also on the stack, I'm going to generous gift 308 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.960 my own thing to give myself an elephant and then 309 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:23.399 my life total goes to one. 310 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:24.120 You die. 311 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:29.919 There's the defense of Bioghithm and yeah, it's it's eight 312 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:30.919 or nine man or whatever. 313 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:31.320 It's eight. 314 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.879 This is fine, and it's printed on a creature right now. 315 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.039 You can play bio Rhythm in command Wow, right. 316 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.080 Now for more manna and you have to have eight 317 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:44.240 total power or more. Yeah, and it's sen that's sorcery 318 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:49.240 speed or like at summoning sickness speed. Yes, so bio 319 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:50.080 Rhythm unbanned. 320 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:50.679 Absolutely. 321 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:52.960 Okay, are we talking about Braid's Cabal Minion. 322 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.240 No, no, no, you don't know she's banned because you 323 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:57.399 don't want to see her in the command zone. 324 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:58.600 That's why that card is banned. 325 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:01.840 And we are already have Turgrid in that same spot 326 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.240 on the Black Game Changers List. Leave Leave Raids Band. 327 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.360 We can just leave her out of there, nobody. I 328 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.240 don't think anybody really wants to play against that deck. 329 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.200 I have in the past before she's banned, it was 330 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:13.720 a nightmare. 331 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.000 And and now you could play against Turgert or Talks 332 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.000 Real and sort of have the same experience. And Turgert's 333 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:21.960 already on the Game Changers list, so you're not gonna 334 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.799 see that unless you're playing higher powered games exactly. 335 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.360 Okay, so already things that just do it better. So 336 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:28.360 she can just stake. 337 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:33.000 Up Graids see Turgrid, take some fucking notes, okay, chaos 338 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.120 or we talked about what I wanted on banned so bad, 339 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.360 but I know that it won't be the next one, okay, 340 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.679 Coalition Victory. I want this fricking card on banned so bad. 341 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.559 I'm fine with it being under. A couple of the 342 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.919 people were like, yeah, but like my five colored deck 343 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:48.440 and said. 344 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.360 Oh, shut up with your five color deck, Like yeah, 345 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.679 you're gonna win a game with it, like once, you 346 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:55.159 know what I mean. 347 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:56.720 But don't people want it their five colored deck? 348 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:58.320 Way they do, but like, oh, it's gonna make my 349 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.879 deck so good. No it's not. Isn't it cost eight? 350 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.759 It costs eight because whooberg and fucking three, Like it's 351 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.039 not good? Gods eight. 352 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.200 We just talked about Buyer Rhythm and Worldfire and Creator 353 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.159 Hoof and Cyclonic Rift. I know that that's seven, but 354 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.480 those all cost eight and those are fine, Yeah, I probably. 355 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.240 And this one is the most fragile of the lot, 356 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.720 like any removal spell will stop this. 357 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.440 Dude, Oh my god. Okay, I can't win the game 358 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:31.559 with cards like Torment of Hailfire or or Exanguinate or 359 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.519 debt to the death list unless I put more than 360 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:35.919 eight man into it. And people are like, those cards 361 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.399 need to be on the Game Changers, but you want 362 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:43.279 Coalition victory fucking off the Game Changers list, Like what yeh? 363 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.240 Coalition Victory. I think, And here's my first actual prediction. 364 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.399 I think it's gonna be one of the ones that's 365 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:53.919 downgraded from band and put onto Game Changers. I think 366 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:55.000 it's gonna be one of the ones. 367 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:56.279 You know what, I would hot take. 368 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:58.039 I would just take it off of both lists and 369 00:16:58.039 --> 00:16:59.200 put it into the fucking game. 370 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.440 Oh that's a good take. That's a good take. And 371 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:02.799 then there's somebody out there. 372 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:04.599 Just like kind of whacking it while they're thinking about it, 373 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.400 and they're like, oh god, I just did. But what 374 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.720 if you go land prismatic omen because then your lands 375 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.799 are all basic land types and then you play Transkilled 376 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:13.359 Courier and then you wait five turns and your Vanilla 377 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.839 two tuesdays alive and you play that's. 378 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:20.039 True, you got me. The card's broken, Like. 379 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.039 The card's broken, dude, but you you needed like five 380 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.160 other cards to combo with it, and it can't be 381 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:26.000 in your command zone. 382 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:27.920 Yeah, and all of those cards are shitty, Like. 383 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:30.680 This is this whole this whole episode is gonna be 384 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.279 that us. We're the cartoon dogs sitting in the house 385 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:33.680 on fire. 386 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:34.799 This is fine, This is fine. 387 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:36.119 Colition victory is fine. 388 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:37.000 Yeah, this is fine. 389 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:38.839 I don't see I honestly don't even know why it 390 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.559 was bad in the first place. I really don't, given 391 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:43.880 that there are so many other cards that do the 392 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.759 same thing with less hoops to jump through, like the. 393 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.759 Same thing meaning end the game. Yeah, the game is 394 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.680 just over now, Yes, because this one says that you win. 395 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.119 Yeah, there is no functional difference between Torment of Hillfire 396 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.319 for sixty and this and Torment of Hill Fire for 397 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:00.359 sixty is as. 398 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.480 Egregious as you think it is. I do it all 399 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:02.920 the time. 400 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.440 I've seen it. I want to put that if this 401 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.720