WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:18.120 Coming to you from the dining room table at East 2 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:22.879 Barbary Lane. Welcome to the season four finale of Full 3 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:27.480 Circle the Podcast. Here's a look back at every episode 4 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.920 from the past twelve months, brought to you by Decanta, 5 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.200 jug wine and chairis that don't Creak? 6 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.119 I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior. 7 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.280 And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full 8 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:46.920 Circle Table. Season four is coming to a close. 9 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:50.159 Who to thunk it besides me and you? 10 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:55.880 Well, yeah, I you know, I guess I assumed there 11 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:00.640 would be multiple seasons back in the beginning. Yeah, I 12 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:02.960 just realized we are down to recording about a third 13 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.959 of the time, so we've got to do something, try 14 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.879 to do something about that. But because we listened back 15 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:13.480 to the intros to each end of season and season one, 16 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:18.719 I think we had about sixty four yeah shows, I've 17 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:23.000 got about what twenty six this year, So we're we 18 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:24.239 need to pick up the pace a. 19 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.200 Little bit because your ass was scarce. 20 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:30.319 That is really what it comes down to, both of 21 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:36.120 us working full time and you know, multiple commitments. Yeah, 22 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:42.879 and mental health as well. You know, sometimes we've got 23 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:50.120 to be fortified prepared to delve into the news these days. 24 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:51.439 I mean fair. 25 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:55.799 Yeah, we've got a toddler running rampant, you know. 26 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.799 A drunken toddler. I believe you referred to. 27 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:03.000 Him, drunken toddler. Yeah, he the insanity of the entire 28 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.879 Republican Party. They need to snatch him while we have 29 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.439 a country. I don't know what they're waiting for, but 30 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:12.879 I'm sure they have a plan, right, it just doesn't 31 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:16.240 include any of us, and that's a problem. 32 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.280 At this point. They should just trip him. 33 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.719 Yeah, I doubt it would take much. I'm saying he's 34 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:24.599 shuffling as it is. 35 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:26.800 He's bunch the rug up a little bit, just. 36 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:30.360 A little Yeah. At any rate, it has been quite 37 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:33.199 a year. We started this year saying we were going 38 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.360 to try to focus more on queer excellence and queer 39 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.400 joy a little bit less on the nonsense. I think 40 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:40.479 we've tried to do that. 41 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.439 We did speak to a lot of fabulous queer folks. Yes, 42 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:45.319 we have. 43 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.680 The nonsense is coming at such a rapid pace that 44 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:55.199 it's hard to ignore exactly. Yeah, so it's still a 45 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:59.439 part of the show. But we also said at the 46 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.000 beginning of this season, you know, we're going to find 47 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.280 out what it's like to put a fascist, corrupt, convicted 48 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:12.199 criminal back into office. And it's been every bit as bad, 49 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.080 and I would argue worse even than we predicted. 50 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.039 Not sure how it's worse, but it is. Well. 51 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:24.000 Bombing Iran is worse than you know. I had hoped 52 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.120 that we wouldn't go quite that far, but we will 53 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.960 apparently do almost anything to avoid the Epstein files. 54 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:32.960 Chaw. 55 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:37.680 Yeah, it's crazy, huh chaw, and still blaming the trannies 56 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.400 full on, especially in Kansas at the moment. Crazy stuff, 57 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.439 crazy stuff. It's been a crazy year. This is not normal, 58 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.639 this is not sane, this is not okay. But we're 59 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:54.120 still here, yep. 60 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.080 And we'll be delving more into those topics and more 61 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.840 when we get to see five. 62 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:06.680 So let's get to it. Here is a bit of 63 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:11.439 every show from our fourth season. I hope you enjoy it. 64 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:16.240 I hope you made it enjoyable. Huh, maybe we made 65 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:20.319 it enjoyable. Well, there's that, and we will be back 66 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:21.839 for season five. 67 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:24.639 Who I am so. 68 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:28.079 Real to have TJ kluon at the Full Circle table. 69 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.759 Hi, TJ? How are you? I am good? 70 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:32.439 Charles? Thank you so much for having me. 71 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:36.439 I truly appreciate it, and the book follows his journey 72 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.120 with these two other characters, Artemis and Alex. And what 73 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.360 I love about the book for the most part is, yes, 74 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.199 there's the big sci fi adventure that goes on on 75 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.519 top of it. There's all there's a big cast of characters, 76 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.160 but at its heart, it is about Nate and Art 77 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:57.439 and Alex. They are a triangle. Without them, Without any 78 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.839 one of the three, the picture wouldn't be complete. They 79 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.519 are pieces from a puzzle, from different puzzles, but when 80 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.240 they go together they still somehow fit and still form 81 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.439 a picture. And you know when you're writing, when you 82 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:11.800 include romance in books and stuff like that, that there's 83 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.000 a tendency to focus on just the two main characters 84 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.120 that are as part of the romance. But with this Art, 85 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.279 she is ten years old and she is on every 86 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.879 single page because she is just as important as Nate 87 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.360 and Alex are, and her journey is what sends Nate 88 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.720 off into a world where he realizes it's not what 89 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.240 it seems and he has to go and figure out 90 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.839 how to do what Nate or what Alex and Art 91 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.879 have started out to do trying to get her home. 92 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.040 That's yes, it's so It was so much fun to read, 93 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.720 and the character of Artemis is very charming, it's so 94 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:58.879 charging and the you know, I had suspected what made 95 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:06.240 her special a bit beforehand, but I was almost wrong. 96 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.160 And I love that, and it kind of gave me. 97 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.720 The dynamic between the three kind of gave me louis 98 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:22.920 La Statt and Claudia vibes, except not quite as creepy, right, 99 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:24.879 not quite as screepy. We do not want to go 100 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:25.519 to that direction. 101 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.480 Yes, and I doubt that art art can be a 102 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:32.000 little creepy sometimes, but she's not a child vampire queen. 103 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:32.759 Right. 104 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.439 Wayne Scott is here to talk about his memoir The Maps. 105 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:43.120 They gave us One Marriage Reimagined, and I am here 106 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.240 to tell you that it is a wonderful read and 107 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.399 I can't wait to talk to him about it. Wayne, 108 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:51.079 How are you welcome to the Full Circle Table? 109 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.800 Oh, thank you very much for inviting me. It's an honor. 110 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.279 About the fifteen year mark, we had a bit of 111 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:59.920 a crisis and I realized I had kind of lop 112 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.040 off this huge important part of myself. It's almost like 113 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:07.160 I had forgotten who I was in a way that 114 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.519 I just kind of I couldn't tolerate anymore. The loneliness 115 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:14.000 and the desperation and the desolation was too much. And 116 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.920 I also I didn't know how to talk to her 117 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.199 about it because again with the script that was a 118 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.480 supplied to us about what a heteronormative marriage is supposed 119 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.000 to look like, for me to initiate the conversation would 120 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.000 be to initiate a conversation about divorce. That's that's how 121 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:31.920 it felt like. We have a very binary way of 122 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.399 thinking about all these different you know, whether it's male 123 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:40.199 or female, or monogamy or gay or straight, or marriage 124 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.839 or divorce or monogamy or not. Like it's they're very 125 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:50.199 polarized ways. And and in fact, human humans, human relationships 126 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:53.920 and humans are messier and more fluid than that. Right, 127 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.199 And we need and we need to find containers. Maybe 128 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:00.279 we need to reinvent, reimagine containers that are going to 129 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:05.199 allow us more room to grow, to evolve, to heal sometimes. 130 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.079 Right, And I think it also comes down to I 131 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.800 think wiring because some people I was actually just having 132 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:17.160 this conversation a couple of days ago, how like, I 133 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:21.680 don't think I'm wired for something like an open relationship 134 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:26.800 mm hmm, like I And I think part of that is, 135 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:30.120 you know, in my twenties and thirties, I was such 136 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:35.879 a hoe. So when I'm ready to settle down, I'm 137 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:37.120 ready to like settle down. 138 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:38.480 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 139 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:44.960 And I'm seeing more and more with friends that they're 140 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.039 exploring open relationships, and to me from the outside, it 141 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:49.559 just looks so messy. 142 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.279 Yep, No, you're right, it is messy. 143 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.600 But if it works, I mean, you know, I try 144 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.360 to like not sit in judgment because if it's working 145 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.279 for you and no one's getting hurt, who am I 146 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.000 to have anything to say? But yeah, I just don't 147 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.360 think I'm wired that way. So if you are good, 148 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:05.679 the god speed, you know what I mean? 149 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.720 Well, And I actually appreciate you saying what you just said, 150 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:12.840 because I think it's very important to come into any 151 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:17.320 conversation like this without an agenda and without being prescriptive 152 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:20.919 or dogmatic that one relationship form is superior to another. 153 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.840 We all have to find our way, right And actually, 154 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:26.679 you know, when you first said I am not wired 155 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.480 for nominogamy, honestly, Charles, I would have said that. I 156 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.240 would have said had a couple of years ago to 157 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.679 you know, and the period of time that's depicted in 158 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.519 the memoir is a period, it's a crucible, It's a 159 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:45.279 period of intense struggle with this couple trying this marital experiment. 160 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:50.279 Can we transition into a non monogamous form from what 161 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.799 we had? And we didn't know it was going to work? 162 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:54.879 We really did today. 163 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.600 I am delighted to be sitting with our guest, Tony 164 00:09:58.720 --> 00:09:59.679 Keith Junior. 165 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:04.279 Tony is a wonderful. 166 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.399 Poet, spoken word artist, hip hop educational leader from Washington. 167 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:09.240 D C. 168 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.679 So you know we're going to have an interesting conversation today. 169 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.559 We're going to be talking about Tony's collection of poems 170 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:21.840 called Knucklehead, and I would really love to get into this. 171 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.440 Tony Keith Junior, Welcome to the Full Circle Table. 172 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.360 Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Y'all's glad 173 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:27.960 to be here. 174 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:32.159 Yeah. I love I love your use of language. And 175 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:36.960 you know, I felt like this was coming from someone 176 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.519 I knew, you know, because you know, hopefully when we 177 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:47.639 are young, coming up, gay people, gay black people, hopefully 178 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.519 we have a few figures in our life that are 179 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.480 there to like help bring us up and show us 180 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.879 the way. And your voice called to that. 181 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.960 Oh, I really appreciate that, because Charles, something that I 182 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:07.279 think so much about is if only I had a 183 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:08.679 book like this when I was a. 184 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.720 Kid, Oh my god, how seen? 185 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.159 You know, I would have like felt and although I 186 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.000 was reading this is what's interesting is, you know, I 187 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.360 was reading Langs and Hughes as a kid, but nobody 188 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.399 was talking to me about Lens and Hughes and his 189 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.200 sexuality or his masculine like I was. No One was 190 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.679 saying to me that, Tony, you're reading the works of 191 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.159 queer writers gay like I didn't know then, right, And 192 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:29.840 then of course, you know, I grew up in the 193 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.759 era where I was reading, at least in college literary 194 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:36.720 works by Elan Harris, you know, and so right, so 195 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:41.480 I remember like literature me through. Okay, So I'm thinking 196 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.639 about like I remember sort of discovering black gay court authors, 197 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:47.799 I guess sort of in my twenties, but like, what 198 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.960 about my like teens in middle school years? 199 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:50.519 Where were they? 200 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.519 And all I keep thinking about is like right now, 201 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:55.759 in this moment, I'm like, I really want these young 202 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.639 black boys, whether they're queer, gay or not, are questioning 203 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:02.279 or whoever, to like to know that they exist like 204 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.360 right now, like, here's a book for young adults, Like 205 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:09.200 here's something written for you, specifically for you. Yeah, I really, yeah, 206 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:10.480 I really wanted that. I was like, this is the 207 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:12.879 book that I needed. The poems that would have been like, oh, 208 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:14.120 this makes sense. 209 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.039 This episode is brought to you by my return to 210 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.480 the mic as a married woman and wine straight from 211 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:25.639 the drug. We had the best flower girl ever. 212 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:29.480 Facts. 213 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.799 We had a formidable trans woman who wore a beautiful 214 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:38.519 green dress and fairy wings and distributed petals yes, yeah, 215 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.360 gaily forward all the way up to the front where 216 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.039 she dumped the rest of them on your head and 217 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:45.720 then sat down. 218 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.879 It was fabulous. Yeah, they were silk and the fairy 219 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.279 wings were definitely my idea because I was like, well, 220 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.759 if she's going to be the flower girl, it just 221 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.080 makes sense to me for some reason that she needs 222 00:12:59.080 --> 00:12:59.600 to be wearing. 223 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:04.080 Fairy in black combat booths. And she was totally just 224 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:07.879 representing queer joy indeed, and you know. 225 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:12.840 And even if that weren't her like actual position, she 226 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:14.759 would have anyway by being. 227 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.279 She's just right. But it was like, what did Tyr 228 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.240 and Brian say? This was not only the most fun 229 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:22.840 wedding I've ever been to. It's the funniest. It's like, well, good, 230 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:26.279 we are us after all. Yeah, it was supposed to 231 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:31.080 not be somber. Dear god, it's almost thirteen years, so yeah, 232 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.080 I mean lighthearted was perfectly good. 233 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:36.519 Do you feel different? 234 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.240 I do. I didn't think I would. I really didn't 235 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:40.879 think I would. 236 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:42.360 How do you feel different? 237 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:49.080 It feels good that we're married. I mean it does 238 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:54.240 feel good. You've been different I have. Yeah, You've been 239 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.440 so sweet and attentive, and it's like, you know, you 240 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.399 finally don't think I'm fucking around with you and like 241 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:04.000 gonna throw you out tomorrow or something like. That's my 242 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:05.480 That's what I'm surmising. 243 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:10.120 I mean, you're not incorrect. 244 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.480 It's okay, it's finally real. 245 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:17.519 Yeah, there is a lightness about me now, like you know, 246 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.320 there's no more doubts. There's no more doubts or questions, 247 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.039 like we end this together and I didn't really not 248 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:27.519 believe it, but you But. 249 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:32.159 That's a fair assessment given me. I mean, it is 250 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:36.519 like it's fair to say h didn't always feel solid. 251 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.720 But I'm happy and I am too, and you know, 252 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:42.720 just I'm your husband. 253 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:47.799 Every signature on our marriage license is uh belongs to 254 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.480 a person of trans experience because we got married the 255 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.679 day before transdave visibility and it just as I thought 256 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.519 of it, I was like, oh, that's what has to 257 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:00.600 happen right here, because efficient it was jo At Miller, 258 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:05.120 who is the first trans woman elected to partisan office 259 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.960 in the state of New Jersey. That's right, the Woodburry 260 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.679 City council person. And she officiated and she did a 261 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.960 wonderful job. That kid is going places. 262 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:17.559 Indeed, I love it. 263 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.519 And again like so the witnesses had to be turned 264 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:22.399 to right. 265 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.919 Like she was one of a very short list of 266 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.519 people that we were thinking of for that, but she 267 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:30.240 was the one. 268 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.320 Well, Kathy wouldn't do it. I said, you gotta marry us, 269 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.080 and she went, I don't want. I don't want that, 270 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.679 do right, But she walked me up the aisle. 271 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:40.399 She was the one who I like pictured in my mind. 272 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.759 Mm hm oh yeah. I could say, like everyone on 273 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:45.080 the list would have done a fabulous job, but joe 274 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:49.039 was the one who I saw. Yeah, and. 275 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.600 Joey would have been wonderful too, But like Joey and 276 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.080 I do do the dinner together. Joey and I have 277 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:59.279 you know, known each other longer, and I mean it's 278 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.799 fair to say we're closer. And I wanted her to 279 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.799 be able to be a guest, right, That's what I wanted. 280 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:09.000 But she did sign the marriage license, right, And I. 281 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.200 Love that actually, And it didn't even occur to me 282 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.519 until after the fact, what you did with that? And 283 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.080 I was like, oh, oh, I see you. 284 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:21.639 And that was the thing. I mean, we had a 285 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:23.600 lot of trans folk there, We had a lot of 286 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:28.320 queer folks there. We had certainly a lot of people 287 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:31.240 of color there. And everyone was fine. Everybody was good. 288 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.279 I mean, this staff was wonderful, and there were some 289 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:35.200 streets in there too. 290 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:36.480 Yeah. 291 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.159 I mean they can't help, but they were born that 292 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.960 way exactly. This episode is brought to you by Decanta 293 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:48.360 jug Wine and a brand new bed excuse me sleep system. 294 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.799 So many things have happened since the last time we recorded, 295 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:58.320 up to and including Pope Francis Van sent kicked. Yeah. 296 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:01.960 I think they're related. I think he went this motherfucker 297 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.720 and just decided life was no longer worth living. 298 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:06.720 I saw a meme that said I have to go 299 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.680 tell tell on you to Jesus myself. 300 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:15.640 Personally, Yeah, I'm not sure they know what's going on 301 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:16.720 down here, but they need to. 302 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:17.400 Yeah. 303 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.519 So Pope Francis was eighty eight when he died, and 304 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.039 he had just given the Easter. 305 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.160 Man, yeah the day right right, just. 306 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.160 Which leads me to believe that he was hanging on 307 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:29.440 for that. 308 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:32.200 I think I think he was hanging on for Easter, 309 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.319 not JD. But I think JD just went okay, I'm 310 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:40.640 done right, you know, that would be reason exactly know 311 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.519 what else happens, because and then there's. 312 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:45.720 Like people saying how the Pope was murdered or something 313 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:46.920 like shut up, oh please. 314 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.960 If he was going to be murdered, they'd have done 315 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.519 that early on, because he was saying, who am I 316 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.680 to judge? He was saying all kinds of shit that 317 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.160 pissed all of them off at the tea dance that 318 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:01.200 is the Vatican. They did not like that or that smoke. 319 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.839 And you know, if somebody was gonna kill him, yeah, 320 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:06.799 they'd have done it in the beginning, not now. 321 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.599 Yeah. The second he said faggots ain't so bad. 322 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.680 Right right, which you know all the fagots and that 323 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.839 they went, well, we're not, but yeah, we have to 324 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:16.799 keep up this d. 325 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:21.759 Yeah, I mean they're not they as their dresses matched 326 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:29.000 the drapes Jesus Christ, Yeah in Prada pumps. 327 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:38.400 Yeah, you know, as popes go. Right, pretty good one, 328 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.160 I guess, I mean, based on what we've had and 329 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.119 his predecessor. 330 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.279 For Christ Sich, Dear God, did more demonstrable good than 331 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.119 harm that this one. 332 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.640 This yeah, not the not Ratzenberger, Oh God his name was. 333 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.160 He looked like a red he looked like evil and 334 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:58.400 was Yeah, he scared me. 335 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.480 So this one was better and hum and I believe 336 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:04.720 lived his faith to the best of his ability. And 337 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.759 I think had he not had all the other queens 338 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.680 go and not so fast, you know, we would have 339 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.559 heard more of that, more of the who am I 340 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:17.160 to judge, more of the message I think he was 341 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:23.200 trying to say and shared before he was made pope, right, 342 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.599 so you know, as they go, I don't get. But 343 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:32.279 I was raised a Catholic, no secret, you know, and 344 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.720 they abandoned me. It wasn't the other way around. 345 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:35.000 Word. 346 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:39.039 I just found out there was no place for authenticity 347 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:44.839 an honesty within that religion for me. They weren't making 348 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.160 room for me. And that the begrudging room that they've 349 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.799 made of late is you know, as long as you 350 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:53.599 stay celibate, I guess you get to exist. And I 351 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:58.000 felt like saying, Queen you first that this episode is 352 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.720 brought to you by Decanta Jugline and a desperate need 353 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:06.960 to go grocery shopping as not away plantation burns. I 354 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.079 saw this picture. I didn't know what it was about. 355 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.920 The ancestors and social media rejoice chald. 356 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:21.160 The memes, especially from people that were like from the area, 357 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.359 Like my favorite was it's burning in the background. You 358 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:26.920 see a black woman in the foreground, just dumping water 359 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:27.839 onto the ground. 360 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:35.720 Oh my god. Yeah, this monument to southern grandeur, built 361 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.920 on the backs of the enslaved a black people, has 362 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.960 been destroyed by a fire that raged for nearly forty hours. 363 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:44.680 I guess if you don't add water. 364 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:46.119 Right. 365 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.000 It began late May fifteenth. The inferno gutted the one 366 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:54.720 hundred and sixty year old estate turned resort good God, 367 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.920 once the largest Antebellum mansion remaining in the South. 368 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.200 Yeah, they turned it into a motherfucking resort. Uh. 369 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.640 I know, I know, I know. 370 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.720 I hope every single white person that ever vacation there 371 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:16.079 has a partnering like black ghost following them home and 372 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:17.200 like stealing. 373 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:17.920 Their mayo and. 374 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:26.599 Wow taking away the startup app for their tesla or 375 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:27.319 whatever the fuck? 376 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:32.599 Wow, damn. 377 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:34.720 Yeah. 378 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:40.160 It started on the fourteenth when staff noticed smoke in 379 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.640 the south wing, and the fire quickly spread through the 380 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:49.200 sixty four room fifty three thousand square foot property, including 381 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:53.759 a three story of rotunda. It's been on the Historic 382 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:59.440 Registration since nineteen eighty. Despite efforts from multiple fire departments, 383 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:06.599 the Yorkshire was lost. Many I'm not even gonna talk 384 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:11.079 about the fire department. Many see poetic justice in the 385 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.599 ashes of a plantation that never meaningfully confronted its legacy 386 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:20.119 of slavery. Right, it became a fucking resort, right, not 387 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:24.240 a museum, No, a resort of that sort. 388 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:26.559 Yeah. 389 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:29.599 It was built in eighteen fifty nine by sugar magnet 390 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:34.839 John Hampton Randolph, powered by the forced labor of more 391 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:39.960 than one hundred fifty enslaved people, a fact that is 392 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.200 often glossed over in the tourism. 393 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.240 For sures, I bet it is. 394 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:47.839 I imagine that for many it feels less like a 395 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:51.880 tragedy and more like a reason to celebrate. One social 396 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.759 media user pointed out the lack of acknowledgment of the 397 00:22:54.799 --> 00:23:00.480 property's racist past as a reason for indifference, not a 398 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:01.400 way as burning. 399 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:04.319 I have not a care yep. 400 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.960 Rebranding a plantation as a resort is wild and diabolical. 401 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.400