Speaker 1: My mind. When you were pretty we got some water
Speaker 1: or something growing on it out here. I can't go.
Speaker 2: I know I that my vendor light came on, and
Speaker 2: I just happened and went and see the thing running.
Speaker 1: Across the yard A good sight man or something. It
Speaker 1: looked like to me. I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: just the right across the yard.
Speaker 3: It means to be a big foot leaning against the
Speaker 3: tree in a wooden area.
Speaker 4: I mean, I have seen plenty of people with big feet,
Speaker 4: but not big foot.
Speaker 1: Three lines and rush. You see about seven and seven
Speaker 1: and a half foot tall. Just watch looking back at you.
Speaker 1: That kind of looks like a wolf, but not like
Speaker 1: a neighbor.
Speaker 5: The dog pick these stores for what they are and
Speaker 5: hopes that maybe if it's out there.
Speaker 6: Then show me yeah, and says he might have caught
Speaker 6: the mythical STUPA cont record you're terrorizing his chickens.
Speaker 2: Looks like a grunt and a knock on.
Speaker 1: I think there's kind of a cultural tendency for people
Speaker 1: to want to make bigfoot he quote unquote monster. Welcome
Speaker 1: to ecb ro O Bigfoot Radio. Hey, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of ecbr or Bigfoot Radio also
Speaker 1: on Bigfoot Zone Ecbro tonight, we got a special guest
Speaker 1: with us tonight. I'm excited to have with us. Please
Speaker 1: everybody give a warm welcome to Chadwick. Gails. Chadwick. How
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 2: But too bad? How you doing tonight?
Speaker 1: Dan? Uh? Not mad? Not mad myself. I'm actually working
Speaker 1: on a few little minor things here that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get situated. All right, there we go. Let me
Speaker 1: get my screen back on here, so hmm, all right,
Speaker 1: it's not working. That might work, all right, Oh no,
Speaker 1: they an't what I want to do. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get up face. There we go, trying to get our
Speaker 1: faces back on the screen. So all right. First of all,
Speaker 1: I know we talked about trying to get you on
Speaker 1: here before we're doing one of our round tables in
Speaker 1: the past, which that didn't work out. I got me
Speaker 1: scheduled and postponed. So I'm actually glad that had you
Speaker 1: on here because you know, we've been doing some small
Speaker 1: talk here and there. I've been learning a little a
Speaker 1: little bit more about you as uh. You know. One
Speaker 1: of the most recent things that's actually been intriguing to
Speaker 1: me is the three toe tracks that you found and
Speaker 1: we're going to get into that very shortly. And for
Speaker 1: the record, I do want to throw it out there.
Speaker 1: A lot of people, a lot of the viewers might
Speaker 1: not know what we're talking about, but I'll try to
Speaker 1: give them a rundown and a little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: feedback on that. And again I'll let you touch base
Speaker 1: on that too when we get into that. But for
Speaker 1: those who are listening and tuning in already, uh, Chad Work.
Speaker 1: He's been exploring and researcher for some years. And actually,
Speaker 1: before I actually go any further, I should let Chad.
Speaker 1: Do people call you Chadwork or Chad or does it
Speaker 1: do you have any specific preference.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whatever.
Speaker 1: Okay, I for some reason I find it either to
Speaker 1: just say Chad. But so yeah, But before I go
Speaker 1: any further and get into any other details, I was
Speaker 1: wondering if you could give me and the audience a
Speaker 1: little bit of a of a background on you. What
Speaker 1: got you started in this whole research? You know, what
Speaker 1: started you in this thing? What sparked your interest to
Speaker 1: look into the paranormal in the cryptan research.
Speaker 2: Well, I've always been into the paranormal, ever since I
Speaker 2: was a little kid. I mean, I can remember going
Speaker 2: to the library and elementary school and I'd go straight
Speaker 2: for the Unexplained Mysteries books, the big Foot books, Luckness
Speaker 2: monster books. So I mean, like I said, I've been
Speaker 2: into it ever since I was young, right, And uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you get go through life, things tend to
Speaker 2: slip to the back of your mind. You go to work.
Speaker 2: You know, oh, man started a family, had kids. You know,
Speaker 2: things started to get boring. You know, you go to work,
Speaker 2: you come home, you watch TV, go to bed, get up,
Speaker 2: go to work, come home, watch TV a bit. I
Speaker 2: just got tired of the mundane rat race. And you know,
Speaker 2: one day at work, I started listening to podcasts because
Speaker 2: I'd always listen to music. I work at the lumber
Speaker 2: mill and I ran a big cutoff saw for ten years.
Speaker 2: I'm a lumber grader. Now I got a promotion and stuff.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's a pretty boring job running that
Speaker 2: saw all the time, just cut boards constantly, and I'd
Speaker 2: listen to music while doing that. One day I found
Speaker 2: these things called podcasts. You know, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: what's this stuff? So, you know, me, I automatically go
Speaker 2: to the paranormal podcast and start listening to them. When
Speaker 2: I started hearing about these people that go out and
Speaker 2: look for bigfoot, look for ghosts, look for UFOs, you know,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, you know, I could do this.
Speaker 2: I could definitely do this. So I bought some equipment
Speaker 2: and I started. Because my wife and I were already
Speaker 2: avid hikers. We love to be out in the woods
Speaker 2: and outdoors, and you know, so I got some equipment.
Speaker 2: One day, I just went at it and started going
Speaker 2: out in the woods all the time. Actually, what really
Speaker 2: kicked it off from the beginning is one night, it
Speaker 2: was a Saturday night, around ten o'clock. I went out
Speaker 2: to my truck, I think to get I take a
Speaker 2: backpack with me to work with, like snacks and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. And I think I went out to my
Speaker 2: truck to get my backpack or I went out the
Speaker 2: door and something just caught my eye. I looked up
Speaker 2: in the sky and there was a huge orb of light.
Speaker 2: I'd say it was probably about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: yards up in the air. It's kind of hard to
Speaker 2: tell a distance for stuff like that, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: up real far, but it wasn't real close either. And
Speaker 2: this thing, man, it was crazy. It would get real bright,
Speaker 2: then it would dim down and go out, Then it
Speaker 2: would late back up get real bright, then it would
Speaker 2: dim down and go out again, and then it started pulsing.
Speaker 2: It would like it changed colors a few times. It
Speaker 2: was pretty wild. My wife and I were videoing it
Speaker 2: with our phones and everything, and through her phone when
Speaker 2: it would dim down to go out, through the phone
Speaker 2: on her camera or the camera on her phone, it
Speaker 2: looked like it would it would explode into like thousands
Speaker 2: of tiny stars. But we kind of think that's just
Speaker 2: how like, you know, the camera technology wasn't very good
Speaker 2: back back in the day. That was probably what on
Speaker 2: twelve years ago something like that. Yeah, but it was
Speaker 2: crazy because it would them down to go out, and
Speaker 2: it looked through her phone it looked like it exploded
Speaker 2: into thousands of tiny stars. And that thing, man, that
Speaker 2: thing was crazy. It sat there for well over an hour.
Speaker 2: And across the street from our house is our garage,
Speaker 2: and behind our garage is a big hill. Top of
Speaker 2: that hill is a huge cemetery, like it's pretty old.
Speaker 2: There's graves in the one far corner from the seventeen hundreds,
Speaker 2: and that thing was floating of the cemetery. So we
Speaker 2: got our kids. They were young at the time. They're
Speaker 2: all adults now, but we got everybody in the car
Speaker 2: and we went up in the cemetery and was setting
Speaker 2: up there watching it. That's where we got like most
Speaker 2: of the video and everything from. So we were sitting
Speaker 2: there for a while watching, you know, and it would
Speaker 2: do its thing. It would start flashing, it would dim down,
Speaker 2: go out, light back up, changed colors a few times,
Speaker 2: and it stayed in the same spot. It didn't like
Speaker 2: float around or nothing. It just sat in the same
Speaker 2: exact spot. It was crazy. And then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden started to slowly drift off, you know, and we
Speaker 2: tried to follow it, but we ended up losing it
Speaker 2: and it was it was gone.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: That thing was amazing, real, real quick.
Speaker 1: I listened to everything you're saying, this couple of things
Speaker 1: that slightly off subject. I got to touch base on
Speaker 1: a couple of things. It's kind of funny you were
Speaker 1: to talk about how you got married and had kids.
Speaker 1: Life got boring.
Speaker 2: Did I hear that?
Speaker 1: Right? Is the white near by hearing all this? She's
Speaker 1: right here, Okay, she's just not flapping you on camera too.
Speaker 2: That's I don't mean like with our families. I mean like.
Speaker 1: It just that's the way. Yeah, that's the way I
Speaker 1: heard it. And I was like, I'm gonna pick on
Speaker 1: the one I gotta get.
Speaker 2: Actually, she does this stuff.
Speaker 1: With me, sweet, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the day I found those tracks, I was blowing
Speaker 2: her phone up like crazy, because I actually took the
Speaker 2: day off from work just to go out and see
Speaker 2: if I could find anything, because the place I went,
Speaker 2: I heard there were a few sightings up there, like
Speaker 2: I heard through the grapevine, you know, And so I went.
Speaker 2: I get like a lot of paid time off from work,
Speaker 2: So I took a sick day and I went up
Speaker 2: looking around and he was still at work, and she
Speaker 2: worked in Morgantown, West Virginia at the time, and I
Speaker 2: was blowing her phone up like you're not gonna believe
Speaker 2: what I found. I was sending her pictures and videos
Speaker 2: of it and stuff. And when she got off work,
Speaker 2: she come up and met me up there, and he
Speaker 2: and I started casting. You know, we cat made past
Speaker 2: of the tracks and all that too. But yeah, she
Speaker 2: gets into it. She goes out with me sometimes.
Speaker 1: Very cool talk about the tracks. Now are you referring
Speaker 1: to the tracks that you've recently found.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the three two tracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So quick question before he was saying it
Speaker 1: that I want to touch a base on that real quick.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar or do you know who Ken Gearhart is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know him, but I know who
Speaker 2: he is and I know of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, well Ken Gearhart, and of course everyone
Speaker 1: joked around and said his twin brother is Lyle Blackbird
Speaker 1: because they both wear a black lother hat. I've gotten
Speaker 1: to meet the both of them a few times, and
Speaker 1: you know, they're great guys. They really are. They're very
Speaker 1: gap and laid back, chilled people.
Speaker 2: It seemed like they'd be pretty cool guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I've been in recent contact with Ken, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, Ken, I like to get
Speaker 1: your expertees in your opinion on something, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing this while I'm at work, when I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be working, but I'm on my phone whoever
Speaker 1: I talk to, and so I'm I get get in
Speaker 1: contact with Lyle and excuse me, not Lyle Ken, And
Speaker 1: so I was like, I want to send you some
Speaker 1: images to some pictures that were recently discovered and found
Speaker 1: up in Pennsylvania, and I gave him. I gave him
Speaker 1: the backstory on this to the best of my ability.
Speaker 1: And I also went on to tell him, Ken, this
Speaker 1: is not the first person that showed me these exact
Speaker 1: same tracks from Pennsylvania. The other individual his names. I
Speaker 1: didn't give him no names, but I'll throw it up there.
Speaker 1: The guy's name is Donald Donald, who found the same
Speaker 1: exact identical tracks over one hundred and seventy seven miles
Speaker 1: west from where you're located. And yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 1: when I first saw your tracks, I thought I was
Speaker 1: seeing almost the same thing. And I know for a
Speaker 1: fact that you and this other gentleman don't know each
Speaker 1: other man, which was what the cool thing about this was.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, so you know, I've been ever
Speaker 1: since I saw your tracks. I became more intrigued more
Speaker 1: ever since seen these tracks from the other individuals several
Speaker 1: years ago, and I was like, what the heck are these?
Speaker 1: You know, all kinds of different thoughts ran through my head,
Speaker 1: especially the last time I was up in Pennsylvania, Marionville, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: at the Forest County Big For Festival. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: had big people sharing personal encounters and stories from Bigfoot
Speaker 1: to the thunderbird, you know, stuff like that. And and
Speaker 1: for some reason I got stuck on after seeing these tracks.
Speaker 1: I got stuck ar thinking could he be some very
Speaker 1: large bird?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was like, then again, you know, then again I
Speaker 1: said no, they can't be no big bird, no bird.
Speaker 1: And you know, because I like these see as much
Speaker 1: as I didn't want to admit to it, it's like
Speaker 1: these seemed very reptilia. You know. That's the other thing
Speaker 1: I ran through my head.
Speaker 2: These sounder kept saying the whole common when we were
Speaker 2: up there casting, and she said that's what she kept saying,
Speaker 2: is they look reptilian to me, is she would not
Speaker 2: go anywhere else, you know, because when I was when
Speaker 2: I kind of thought was like bird, like a pterodactyl
Speaker 2: or a thunderbird or something exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what was running through my mind. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, yeah, okay, carry on, I'll
Speaker 1: let you finish it.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, that's up. I was thinking. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know about a bird because it had the
Speaker 2: humanoid looking heel, and she said reptilian and it just
Speaker 2: stucked I was like, yeah, yeah, that makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's.
Speaker 2: Weird and has that humanoid looking heel and because you
Speaker 2: know how like a bird, but it usually has that
Speaker 2: skinny toe pointing.
Speaker 1: Back right exactly like I mean, I've seen all kinds
Speaker 1: of big birds. I've seen turkeys. And by the way,
Speaker 1: John John said that he was told by another individual,
Speaker 1: and I know the individual. I met the individual a
Speaker 1: couple of times, kept saying, oh, they're not bird, they're
Speaker 1: not this and that, and he said, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: he did say that they were those are EMU tracks.
Speaker 1: And I told John said, no way, I said EMU tracks.
Speaker 1: And does the dude ever look at it looks like
Speaker 1: a turkey track just with fat or toe.
Speaker 2: That's We've been on a TV show and that's what
Speaker 2: they said on the TV show that they were EMU tracks,
Speaker 2: And nah, research EMU tracks don't get anywhere near fourteen
Speaker 2: inches long. These tracks were fourteen inches long. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: six only has a six to seven inch track, and
Speaker 2: there's things six foot tall anyway, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Like right, And of course when you look up those tracks,
Speaker 1: don't they look like a turkey, Like a big fat
Speaker 1: turkey track. You know. Yeah, to me, they're a technical
Speaker 1: Turkey track with just fat you know, the toes a
Speaker 1: little fatter some of them. You know they have.
Speaker 2: Someone backwards, but but they don't have a heel either, you.
Speaker 1: Know, exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got a couple of comparisons I did on
Speaker 2: my phone of you know, the tracks I found, and
Speaker 2: then Ray decided an EMU track and they looked nothing alike.
Speaker 1: Note, so I doubt he's listening right now. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw his name out there, mister Jarney Freeman. These are
Speaker 1: not EMU tracks. Get over yourself, okay. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like you, dude, but you know they're not what you
Speaker 1: think they are. I know you want to just to
Speaker 1: everybody from having these possible theories. But they're definitely not
Speaker 1: EMU tracks. I can guarantee you that.
Speaker 2: I definitely no. They look nothing like tracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah what even? So back to Lyle, I'm excuse me,
Speaker 1: I can playing Lyle. I don't know why I say left.
Speaker 1: Back to Ken Gearheart so I've been in recent contact
Speaker 1: with him. I've shared him every track that you had
Speaker 1: of these. When I asked you for the trackway, if
Speaker 1: you have a picture of a trackway, or a video
Speaker 1: when you set you those. It was for him because
Speaker 1: he wanted to see the trackway. It will give him
Speaker 1: more definition and more insight on these. Yeah, now, after
Speaker 1: he viewed these, Now, I'm gonna tell you, even before
Speaker 1: I say anymore, even even after he viewed these, they
Speaker 1: gave his honest expertise, his honest expert opinion on this.
Speaker 1: It's still got me scratched my head. It's like that
Speaker 1: would make more sense. But at the saint time, I'm
Speaker 1: still scratching my head because part of this does not
Speaker 1: make sense. So now he mentioned and I looked it
Speaker 1: up for myself. I did a little bit of research.
Speaker 1: I have shared some stuff with me. But he's telling
Speaker 1: me that these are alligator tracks, even though he knows
Speaker 1: alligators are not native to Pennsylvania. But now he went
Speaker 1: on to say this, and I looked this. Actually, illegally,
Speaker 1: alligators have been released and has been spotted in the
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania. He mentioned twenty times, but when I
Speaker 1: looked it up, I read twenty five times throughout the
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania. Now, of course my wife was saying
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 2: When we found him. He's like, they remind me of
Speaker 2: alligator tracks, and I was like, right, but alligators, what.
Speaker 1: They have actually five actually technically five. But and what
Speaker 1: with what chen were sharing with me? He said, when
Speaker 1: you were looking at the trackway that you have in
Speaker 1: the sand, you said, you could almost see the fourth
Speaker 1: toe in the one particular track, you know. And because
Speaker 1: he was talking about how how the trackway clearly you
Speaker 1: can see is leading and going directly towards the water
Speaker 1: like an alligator would d yeah again, yeah, okay, that
Speaker 1: started to make some sense to me. But what blew
Speaker 1: my mind is like, okay, I've seen your picture. You
Speaker 1: have a track, you have a track with a measuring
Speaker 1: tape where the track is nearly twelve inches long. Okay,
Speaker 1: most average alligator tracks, even though a very large alligator
Speaker 1: might be six to seven eight inches long. That's pushing it. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the I mean, that's what got
Speaker 1: me puzzled. I mean, these tracks, yeah, they would almost
Speaker 1: resemble an alligator, except the consecutive with free toes. Now
Speaker 1: he mentioned and I had to look into this myself,
Speaker 1: but it's a free is three toes calmon for alligant. No,
Speaker 1: it's very unheard of, really, But he went on to
Speaker 1: mention that it could be a rare deformity, you know which. Okay,
Speaker 1: I could get that. I can get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that too. But here's the crazy thing though.
Speaker 2: When I found this, there were two separate trackways, right,
Speaker 2: and they come up out of the water and up
Speaker 2: the bank right beside each other, like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like two creatures walked up the bank and
Speaker 2: then walked all over the place. Plus we could tell
Speaker 2: they were bipedal tracks, they weren't quadruped, right, And the
Speaker 2: one yeah, the one trackway was different because the left
Speaker 2: foot had crooked toes, like the toes were deformed.
Speaker 1: Ah, I have to find some of the.
Speaker 2: Pictures that send them to you too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, two different creatures or whatever made the tracks.
Speaker 2: There were two different specimens there that that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was pretty well.
Speaker 1: I watched you most recent one of your recent video
Speaker 1: clips where I guess your vehicles parked up. You can
Speaker 1: see it through the tree in the woods. Your vehicles
Speaker 1: parked up off the road and then you're down by
Speaker 1: your down in the woods by the creek. Is that
Speaker 1: with a standbar? Is that the same area you found
Speaker 1: those tracks before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same place. That's the place where I
Speaker 2: found them at.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's very interesting, very interesting, because, yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get up there and see this area, find
Speaker 1: exactly where it's at, because I'm see, I spent some
Speaker 1: time up there and you know, getting to know a
Speaker 1: couple of different areas up there. I'm just curious to
Speaker 1: know exactly how far well, well, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, how far is that location from
Speaker 1: Ohio Pile anywhere near there? About?
Speaker 2: How far? About four miles really, yeah, high piles about
Speaker 2: I'd say about, yeah, three four miles up the mountain
Speaker 2: a little way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, because I've heard some story of reports
Speaker 1: from the Ohio Pile area, and me and my old
Speaker 1: brother and I dated, we we went to Ohio Pile
Speaker 1: when the girl I used to date. We went up there.
Speaker 1: We got brought up there from a lady that we
Speaker 1: met that has property up behind Ohio Pile, and we
Speaker 1: investigated the property because she has some weird stuff that
Speaker 1: happened up there. She took us there. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some very interesting stuff because I've heard some other similar
Speaker 1: stories of that area. So yeah, that's actually interesting that
Speaker 1: he said that.
Speaker 2: See here's here's something pretty cool about this too. The
Speaker 2: place where I found the tracks, Yeah, the sand bank.
Speaker 2: And then if you go across the creek and up
Speaker 2: that mountain side about two miles there's a people I
Speaker 2: know that lived back there. The contented me and said
Speaker 2: they both spotted a werewolf creature on their property. Really,
Speaker 2: and they've had me up there for almost a year
Speaker 2: now investigating. Yeah, and then two miles through the woods
Speaker 2: from where I found those tracks where their property is.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking, like, if you come up and
Speaker 2: want to do an overnight investigation, we might do it
Speaker 2: up there on their property.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's interesting because I mean I'm all about that, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I know, John was trying to tell
Speaker 1: me it probably is not worth your trying to do
Speaker 1: it overnight camp, I said, John, I said, I'm coming
Speaker 1: from over four hours. I want to get up here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to drive straight back the
Speaker 1: same day after spending you know, some time up there.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like the least worth a chance
Speaker 1: when the night, when it gets dark out, I said,
Speaker 1: that's usually what things get interesting. Anyway, I meant, so
Speaker 1: what maybe we may not hear nothing or experience on it.
Speaker 1: But it's just the point of me being up there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and have to drive back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to get in I'll get in touch with him
Speaker 2: this weekend and talk to him about it. That's probably
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do, if you know, you guys want
Speaker 2: to do and everything. I was thinking to take you
Speaker 2: guys up there, and we're doing overnight up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now John mentioned he probably won't give a statement
Speaker 1: night because him and his wife had plans. I say, okay,
Speaker 1: that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, I meant that I was gonna tell
Speaker 1: him myself, Well, I wasn't gonna invite you anyway, John,
Speaker 1: I would be nice. And I'm sure I give John
Speaker 1: a hard time anyway. He always picks up me. I
Speaker 1: get it right back to him.
Speaker 2: A pretty good guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He was one of my recent speakers here
Speaker 1: in Virginia, so it was great to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's crazy because uh, I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time on like both of those mountain sides,
Speaker 2: you know, and I remember that people lived back there,
Speaker 2: and I thought about driving back one day and then
Speaker 2: like maybe two days later, the woman I know contacted
Speaker 2: me and said, you know, we got some really weird
Speaker 2: stuff going went up here. Would you come up and
Speaker 2: take a book? And when I went up, she told
Speaker 2: me the story about seeing the werewolf creature and her
Speaker 2: husband or boyfriend he said he saw it too, but
Speaker 2: he didn't get as good a look at it, and
Speaker 2: as she did, he only saw it through like the
Speaker 2: brut but he saw it from the waist down. He
Speaker 2: said it had the backwards last you know, and he
Speaker 2: said it freaked him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ad they would be willing to talk about
Speaker 1: it on Candra.
Speaker 2: Well, they don't want their names brought up. They want
Speaker 2: to stay an inmate. I mean, I'm sure they'll talk
Speaker 2: about it. They just probably won't want their faces on camera.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can blur out their faces and not
Speaker 1: put their names with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's She told me that a group of them
Speaker 2: were all getting ready to go like quad riding, because
Speaker 2: where they live, it's like they're out in like the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere, you know what I mean. Their driveway
Speaker 2: goes pretty far, twisted and turning through the woods. But
Speaker 2: she said that she was driving up to the place
Speaker 2: and it's on a dirt road, and you get so
Speaker 2: far up and then the road splits, and if you
Speaker 2: go left, it goes to his place, and if you
Speaker 2: go right, it goes out toward a pipeline, like where
Speaker 2: quad trails and stuff are. She said, this thing came
Speaker 2: up over the hill, walked out on the road, stopped
Speaker 2: in the middle of the road, turned and looked at
Speaker 2: her and like snarled, and then turned back around and
Speaker 2: took off up into the woods. She said it was
Speaker 2: about seven to seven and a half foot tall, like grayish,
Speaker 2: grayish and black. And she said, for all pints and purposes,
Speaker 2: it looked like a were wolf you'd see in a movie.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And I've known her since I was like a little kid,
Speaker 2: you know, we grew up together and stuff. And she
Speaker 2: wouldn't lie to me about this, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I mean yeah, you know for a while,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear about dog man reports, were wolf reports,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I'll give you a little background.
Speaker 1: And for those who also don't realize that I'm very
Speaker 1: objective when it causes a dog man itself. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm an objective towards a lot of different claims. But
Speaker 1: over the years I started to become a little to
Speaker 1: become a little bit more open minded and consider it,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, some of the details. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still very I guess there's a part of me
Speaker 1: that's still skeptic when it comes to dog man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, her friend he even said he I got
Speaker 2: a picture, but you can't really see. And he said
Speaker 2: that they've had bigfoot sightings on their property. Also. He
Speaker 2: said he went out deck one night because he heard
Speaker 2: something outside, and he went out on the deck and
Speaker 2: saw one standing by a tree. He said, it was
Speaker 2: about thin foot tall.
Speaker 1: Really, I mean, the same people that have seen the
Speaker 1: what they call a dog man or orewolf.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They man, they got all kinds of stuff going
Speaker 2: on up there. They sent me, Uh, I think I
Speaker 2: sent you those pictures of the green orbs.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you did or not. I'm not
Speaker 1: oh maybe, well no, no, I'm thinking about somebody else,
Speaker 1: because I've seen somebody else was supposed to have something similar. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think you did.
Speaker 2: I'll have to send them to you then, because they're
Speaker 2: the people that gave me those photos too, and they're
Speaker 2: pretty crazy. But he said he walked out on the
Speaker 2: deck and he said, this thing was standing over there
Speaker 2: by the tree, and I had him show me on
Speaker 2: the tree, like how tall it was, And I measured
Speaker 2: it and everything, and it was like ten feet tall. Said,
Speaker 2: it looked at him. He looked at it, It turned
Speaker 2: its head, looked back at him, then just turned around
Speaker 2: and walked away, right. And he said, he's still there
Speaker 2: for like half an hour with his mouth hanging wide open.
Speaker 2: Couldn't believe what he saw. And then I guess he
Speaker 2: saw him again a couple more times running around on
Speaker 2: his property. Said they hear him all the time. He
Speaker 2: doesn't go anywhere on the property without a gun in
Speaker 2: his hand.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, yeah, every time I go up.
Speaker 2: To do something, he's always had. He always has a
Speaker 2: rifle in his hand or a shot gun something.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like I was saying about the dog,
Speaker 1: me being skeptic about the whole dog ring thing, there's
Speaker 1: a part of me, I'm not afraid to admit to this.
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that's starting to consider more
Speaker 1: of that possibility of its existence. Only for the very
Speaker 1: fact that during my last big Foot conference here in Virginia,
Speaker 1: I had one individual who pulled me aside towards the
Speaker 1: end of my event. We went in a separate room
Speaker 1: and he started talking to me, and he started sharing
Speaker 1: some stuff. You know, he's witnessing experienced a lot of
Speaker 1: weird stuff over the years, but he brought me in
Speaker 1: there to telling me this one particular story. And I
Speaker 1: know exactly where this location was where he had this experience.
Speaker 1: And as I tell people, when I listen to somebody's story,
Speaker 1: and I don't get this way all the time, it's
Speaker 1: very rare, but when I do, it's very I don't
Speaker 1: know the best way to put this. But when I
Speaker 1: get drawn into somebody's story and I'm starting to visualize
Speaker 1: their story, to me, something about that is telling me
Speaker 1: that this is a very legit story somebody's being sick
Speaker 1: and one with what they experienced. They really did experience this.
Speaker 1: This is something that they really did see that, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm because I'm visualizing it, you know, does that
Speaker 1: mean I don't know if that makes any sense. I
Speaker 1: don't get that way all the time.
Speaker 2: Get what you're saying, Yeah, you're so drawn into because
Speaker 2: they're explaining it so well that yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so. But this guy and something told me
Speaker 1: before he told me what he saw, something was telling me.
Speaker 1: In the back of my head while listening to her story,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing in all these details of being being shared,
Speaker 1: this guy star a dog man. Watch you know, I'm
Speaker 1: saying that to myself because again, I know the location,
Speaker 1: I know the layout of the land, I know how
Speaker 1: thick it is around that lake where he saw this lake.
Speaker 1: This location was right there on the Virginia West Virginia line.
Speaker 1: And he's down there fishing, and he's telling me every
Speaker 1: detail about what he's doing, grabbing, bending over to its
Speaker 1: just tackle box, and then he looks up and there
Speaker 1: it is, staring at him, slutly hunched over. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just not to get into the whole detail of
Speaker 1: the guy's story, but I'm seeing everything that he's telling me,
Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, are you freaking serious. And for
Speaker 1: the longest time, you know, I was like, well, a
Speaker 1: lot of people that claim to see dog Man, even
Speaker 1: Lyle Blackburn. Yeah, not King gay Hard but Lyle Blackburn.
Speaker 1: I me and him spoke out of an event to
Speaker 1: get her yeah, some years ago, and I was surprised
Speaker 1: to hear him say this because this is something I
Speaker 1: oddly thought and believe that a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are claiming to see dog man. They're seeing a type
Speaker 1: of bigfoot. It's misidentified. Well, I believe it's still true
Speaker 1: to a certain extent that for various reasons, because I
Speaker 1: believe there are different types of big foot, you know,
Speaker 1: oh definitely, yeah, I mean based off of the region
Speaker 1: where they live, their environment. Again, not everybody wants to
Speaker 1: hear this, but I look at them as some some
Speaker 1: type of primate. I'm not saying they're equal to our
Speaker 1: dom species of primates that are known to exist. What
Speaker 1: I believe there are some subspecies that they are similar to.
Speaker 1: You like, for example, look at the bad boon. A
Speaker 1: bad boon has a tail, bad boon has a snout,
Speaker 1: and a canine.
Speaker 2: Has a SnO canine, that's yeah, exactly, if you were
Speaker 2: to see a creature on the woods that resembled a
Speaker 2: bad boon, you would instantly think that it was like
Speaker 2: a dog man, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right, especially if it was my pedal.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. Now, Yeah, I've heard quite a few encounters
Speaker 2: of people that you know, salt creatures that they said
Speaker 2: look like bad boons and they thought they were like
Speaker 2: dog men.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So it's it's hard to say it's like trying to
Speaker 2: keep them in mind with all this stuff, but like
Speaker 2: it's it gets one man, it gets well you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure, definitely. So you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to dismiss anybody's story, and
Speaker 1: you know, I mean everybody gives a description to the
Speaker 1: best of their ability, you know, yeah, yeah. But the
Speaker 1: thing is what threw me off for the longest time.
Speaker 1: I've been on Facebook, ever since just before I start
Speaker 1: you know, well, not before I got started this. I
Speaker 1: was involved. I started research before I got into the
Speaker 1: social media platform. But when I when I got on
Speaker 1: social media, started finding these groups, all these different big
Speaker 1: for groups, and I even joined to call the so
Speaker 1: called dog man groups, and you just to see what
Speaker 1: people will talk about and see what they're posting, and
Speaker 1: what blew my mind. And I had a laugh at
Speaker 1: this because I was like, these people serious, these are
Speaker 1: people posting feline tracks. I'm talking about large cat tracks
Speaker 1: and call them dog tracks, thinking they're dog mansip. And
Speaker 1: this is what started my thing on, Like okay, this started,
Speaker 1: this made a big thing for me. I was like me,
Speaker 1: I grew up with outdoors. I was very familiar and
Speaker 1: acquainted with wildlife and much of the outdoors. But this
Speaker 1: made me touch more on the wildlife before any bigfoot
Speaker 1: of cryptied people need to learn yep. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: because I have a phrase. I put it in my books,
Speaker 1: I put it on my website. Learn and know what
Speaker 1: is known before seeking the unknown exactly. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna post cat tracks and call them dogman tracks,
Speaker 1: you've got a lot to learn. I mean, these are
Speaker 1: people older than me and you. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: you know, buy me as how to hold you? Jack? Okay,
Speaker 1: you're you're two years older than I am. So so,
Speaker 1: but these are people fifty sixty, seventy years old. You know,
Speaker 1: suppose he grew up in the outdoor, the news their wildlife,
Speaker 1: but they're posted all the bs. I mean, people serious,
Speaker 1: come on now, I mean a young child could know
Speaker 1: better than that. Really, I mean, I mean that that's
Speaker 1: what blows my cookies. I mean, it's just you, definitely,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, and when I so, when
Speaker 1: I do presentations, I talk to people, you know, I
Speaker 1: present the wild the wildlife side of me, you know,
Speaker 1: and why I you know, it's like I sometimes I
Speaker 1: sound like a broken record and I preach about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like when I'm doing my presentations
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to people and they ask questions about it,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt like I'm preaching like a broken record,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about Look, if you're going to claim
Speaker 1: this as this and don't know what the difference is,
Speaker 1: you have a lot to learn. You know. My thing is,
Speaker 1: I don't want to insult people. I try not to
Speaker 1: present myself and put things out there to where I'm
Speaker 1: insulting people. I want them to think about what they're
Speaker 1: saying or what they're doing, you know, I want them
Speaker 1: to think for themselves. You know, sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: be blunt. I've learned that over the years. You have
Speaker 1: to be blunt, straightforward sometimes, you know, that's the way
Speaker 1: it goes.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times I've seen someone show
Speaker 2: me a picture of a suppose the bigfoot track that
Speaker 2: you can tell is a.
Speaker 1: Bear track exactly. Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of these bigfoot groups. I'm in Come on, now, you
Speaker 1: got these different people post say hey, look, this is
Speaker 1: a picture of a bigfoot track I found, and you
Speaker 1: clarically it's a double step bear track. Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll I'll admit some bear tracks can be deceiving. They
Speaker 1: can be I've seen that for myself definitely. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of bears here in Virginia, and
Speaker 1: I know you guys have big bears up up in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I know you guys have a bigger state record bear
Speaker 1: than we do here in Virginia. That yours is close
Speaker 1: to nine hundred pounds. Ours is almost eight hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, that you know there is?
Speaker 2: Ah, Well, I don't know how true it is. But
Speaker 2: one of the girls my wife works with grew up
Speaker 2: up there where that those people's property is, and her
Speaker 2: dad supposedly saw a thousand pounds black bear up there.
Speaker 2: He said, I believe it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I believe it.
Speaker 2: I just saw black bear two days ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is that the video you posted?
Speaker 2: Well, I got that on the trail camera back where
Speaker 2: I found those tracks. But I was leaving work, dude,
Speaker 2: I think, what's that yesterday or two days ago? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was leaving work and just right down the road
Speaker 2: from my work, one ran across the road in front
Speaker 2: of me. Nice the same size as the one I
Speaker 2: got on the trail camera too. It wasn't real big.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean. But yeah, ring right
Speaker 2: across the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like in my main my main research area.
Speaker 1: I was camping out. This was some years ago. I
Speaker 1: was camping out, but I was decided to ride up
Speaker 1: right out to It was about five or six miles
Speaker 1: up the forest road to get to the little local
Speaker 1: country store that's outside where you can get service at Yeah,
Speaker 1: about ten o'clock, ten thirty at night, I was riding up.
Speaker 1: There was a little car in front of me. I
Speaker 1: was driving in my Chevy Chevy Blazer at the time,
Speaker 1: and and this little car pulls off, lets me pass him,
Speaker 1: And not long after I'm passing them, one of the
Speaker 1: biggest bearers I've ever seen in person crossed the road
Speaker 1: on me. And I swear, I swear to you not
Speaker 1: the top of his back was probably almost a foot
Speaker 1: over the top of the hood of my Blazer. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: he was a big boy. Yeah, he was a big boy. Now.
Speaker 1: My father, actually, I believe my father saw the same
Speaker 1: one almost a month later, because during the daytime. This
Speaker 1: was a nighttime when I seen this, my father was
Speaker 1: riding up and he had a little car at the time.
Speaker 1: Dad was driving out during the daytime. I wasn't with Dad,
Speaker 1: but Dad told me he's driving up the road and
Speaker 1: he told me exactly where he's seen this, because there
Speaker 1: was a dead rabbit in the middle of the road
Speaker 1: and this big, massive black bear standing there on the
Speaker 1: side of the road. His head was probably twice the
Speaker 1: size of the steering wheel, standing there looking at him
Speaker 1: as he passes by Dad, just like riving by real
Speaker 1: schull looking at the bear. Dad Daniels's bear was nassive.
Speaker 1: I said it had him in the Saint Bear. It
Speaker 1: had him because he must be working that area because
Speaker 1: on the one side there's a creek when you cross.
Speaker 1: On the other side he goes up a small hill,
Speaker 1: because that's exactly when he crossed the path across the
Speaker 1: road on me. I had actually stopped and had my
Speaker 1: windows down. You can hear me who going up that hillside?
Speaker 1: He's crossing from that creek going up the hillside. No,
Speaker 1: don't maybe he's maybe he's living up there. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they might be, but he was. He was
Speaker 1: down on the road when Dad saw him. Dad described
Speaker 1: the biggest bear that he saw. Yeah, they had been
Speaker 1: the same bear. And again this is outside right over
Speaker 1: in my main research area. Yeah, well, I know we
Speaker 1: got big. I've seen big, big tracks out in the
Speaker 1: woods belonging to bears. I've seen them juvenile tracks from
Speaker 1: a bear too.
Speaker 2: I got a time on child camera up in that
Speaker 2: area a couple of years ago. It was probably three
Speaker 2: four years ago, I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was probably about him I'd say maybe four hundred pounds
Speaker 2: somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a four hundred pound black bear. That's a nice
Speaker 1: sized bear. People don't realize it how big these bears
Speaker 1: actually are. And what yeah, I mean four hundred pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's that thing's like a small tank.
Speaker 2: I got him and above at and then a bunch
Speaker 2: of deer on the same like you know, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: in a month's time. Yeah, there was the bear, the bobcat,
Speaker 2: the bear, and then like a bunch of I always
Speaker 2: get dere I get deer like crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, you guys, uh, you guys, has a big
Speaker 1: deer up there. I I spent almost a year in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania when I was dating the girl I was dating.
Speaker 1: I moved in with her up there and I lived
Speaker 1: there for almost a year. But a lot of time,
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time out there in certain
Speaker 1: parts of the Forbes State Forest. Are you familiar with
Speaker 1: the Forbes State Forest at all? Yep. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: I've seen some strange things up there, some of the
Speaker 1: at first time I've ever seen strange lights of the woods.
Speaker 1: I've seen him up there, but longs are short. I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of deer up there. I've picked up deer,
Speaker 1: a massive looking deer either jumping across the road on us,
Speaker 1: or I've gotten some nice looking bucks on my cameras
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so here, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm we got big ones here in Virginia, but
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania because of the I guess because of the forest
Speaker 1: and the type of trees, and yeah, it seemed like
Speaker 1: you guys have much bigger deer up there. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm originally from Massachusetts and Dad's always told me we
Speaker 1: have Yeah, I can tell you a two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty three hundred pound deer. I said, what, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got two hundred and fifty three hundred pound deer up here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, growing up hearing that from dad, I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know that's my dad. I gotta believe that. But
Speaker 1: of course, when you start seeing things for yourself. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: these deer are massive. These deer like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like the ones I've seen in Pennsylvania. I said, these
Speaker 1: are massive side of the deer, even the doze are big.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I got a couple of videos I think I might
Speaker 2: only posted one on my YouTube channel of right out
Speaker 2: the road here we got a pieball deer one day.
Speaker 2: There were we actually saw like but two different ones.
Speaker 2: There were two different ones. They're living around here in
Speaker 2: the woods somewhere.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty wild looking. They're mostly mostly white, but
Speaker 2: they've got a good bit of brown in them too.
Speaker 2: They're they're crazy looking.
Speaker 1: There was right now. There's some deer species that were
Speaker 1: It's believed that where white tailed deer are bred with
Speaker 1: mule deer, which makes them a bigger species deer. You
Speaker 1: tend to be a little bit larger than a white
Speaker 1: tail and you're aveny white tail anyway, yep, because I've
Speaker 1: read some I've read some years ago where some areas
Speaker 1: where they do they do the white tail will breathe
Speaker 1: with the mule deer, you know, m deer and more
Speaker 1: towards the west.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't the West.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like you know, mountain lions and and
Speaker 1: and wolves. You know a lot of them more towards
Speaker 1: the West and northern states, you know. But they people
Speaker 1: don't realize wildlife does not know boundary. They they will
Speaker 1: travel and they will enter your territory.
Speaker 2: Yep. So like they won't pay attention to browndrey lines
Speaker 2: like we do. That's for sure, exactly.
Speaker 1: And even though some of us sometimes we get ignorant
Speaker 1: across the lines anyway, because they're curious. I've been a
Speaker 1: bad boy. I'm crossed in the territories I'm not supposed
Speaker 1: to just to see what's back there, you know.
Speaker 2: I you know I've done the same. I've definitely done.
Speaker 1: I just hope you don't get caught and call the
Speaker 1: wife say hey, if you don't hear from me, I
Speaker 1: might be the next phone call you get from me.
Speaker 1: I might be in jail.
Speaker 2: Someone take one of my trail cameras and left a
Speaker 2: note on a tree one time, but I didn't know
Speaker 2: that we were on their property, so oh crap.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, they they were nice enough to let you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was cool that they didn't take a
Speaker 1: camera like I've had my cameras fullen multiple times. So
Speaker 1: but yeah, at least, yeah, that was nice of them,
Speaker 1: at least leave a note to say, hey, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: actually on my line of property. You know, most people,
Speaker 1: if they were if they were very if they were
Speaker 1: mean and arrogant, I mean, they could have yeah, taken
Speaker 1: your camera.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean my wife just handed me a
Speaker 2: note that says, hieballed or mutated deer jeans. Indians say
Speaker 2: they are lucky.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: They're not too different deer that were they have a mutation.
Speaker 3: Mutation is a calico cat. Really, you have to go
Speaker 3: on the Pennsylvania Forestry and look up tideball and gets
Speaker 3: a whole definition about the Indigenous people, how they're sacred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well we first started seeing we
Speaker 2: saw the mother a few years ago, and then well
Speaker 2: last year and yeah, last year we started seeing the
Speaker 2: smaller ones. There were two of them. Yeah, we started
Speaker 2: researching about pie bows and because she's she's my researcher,
Speaker 2: she'll start digging into stuff for me.
Speaker 1: That's awesome though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was cool. The one video we got
Speaker 2: the one day it was out here in one of
Speaker 2: the neighbors you're eating apples out of the tree.
Speaker 1: Oh sweet, awesome, So I am. I am definitely looking
Speaker 1: forward to coming up here a couple of weeks meeting
Speaker 1: up with you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're fun man, Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: I like to said, yeah, because I start recording this weekend,
Speaker 1: I'm meeting up with a real good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: He's Native American, and uh, he used to come to
Speaker 1: and he used to attend my events. But you know,
Speaker 1: his health is not the best. He don't get him.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't get out that much. But he
Speaker 1: agreed for me to come up to his house. He's like,
Speaker 1: he just like an hour, a good hour north of me.
Speaker 1: And so I'm driving up there tomorrow to meet up
Speaker 1: with him around one o'clock and we're going to stay off.
Speaker 1: The weather's supposed to be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's be nice this weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like today was very comfortable. We finally got some
Speaker 1: nice cool temperature all this week. It is only supposed
Speaker 1: to be in the seventies this whole coming week. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm finally ready for a break in the hot temperatures.
Speaker 1: Because you know where I work, I work inside a
Speaker 1: factory warehouse and we have no ac in there there's
Speaker 1: one departments. Yeah, so it was like, yeah, on the
Speaker 1: wall back by where I work is, if it's eighty
Speaker 1: five degrees outside, it's one hundred degrees inside. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like ten to fifteen degrees harder than whatever it
Speaker 1: is outside.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you mean. We work in a
Speaker 2: big still building. I mean the one side it's like open,
Speaker 2: and then it's opening the back where I'm at a
Speaker 2: little bit. But the one corner where I'm at, I
Speaker 2: have a little thermometer stuck to the wall, and it
Speaker 2: was one hundred and twenty two the other day.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's harder than down here you go.
Speaker 2: I think we're in a big giant steel building that
Speaker 2: they painted dark brown.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, ours are a steel building, but it.
Speaker 2: Turns it into an oven.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because the machines that we have, we're the
Speaker 1: company I work for is called Newman Aluminum, and we
Speaker 1: make military We make military weapons and casing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I saw a few of the pictures
Speaker 2: you posted before.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and the machines that put out these plant
Speaker 1: parts are there. They're called presses, and the parts are
Speaker 1: very hot when they get put out, you know, because
Speaker 1: I mean I could cause where I work, I work
Speaker 1: in the I help out catching some of those, but
Speaker 1: most of the time I went in the back running
Speaker 1: the scrap bailer to call it.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 1: And even if working way in the back and waving
Speaker 1: all the presses, you can tell that the machine. When
Speaker 1: the machines are up and running, it gets smoky cloudy
Speaker 1: inside that shot you know in that warehouse, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's usually one machine that puts out the
Speaker 1: smoke that it's the It's called the X twelve hundred,
Speaker 1: and they put out a lot of big parts. A
Speaker 1: lot of the parts that they run. We do run
Speaker 1: parts of stuffing that they are made for vehicles, automobiles
Speaker 1: and stuff like different suspension parts for trucks and stuff.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that particular machine, yeah, that part. Those
Speaker 1: parts usually come out very high. Normally you have to
Speaker 1: wear use it you're you're you're wearing gloves, but you
Speaker 1: have to use a stick to scoop out and carry
Speaker 1: the part and put it in the bin. That's how
Speaker 1: you can't touch it'll burn your hands off.
Speaker 2: So but all that plus the heat outside, oh.
Speaker 4: Man, yeah, absolutely, so real quick, I want to ask you
Speaker 4: to uh now, John had uh he's setting up for.
Speaker 1: Us to meet at the old mall off of one nineteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how far that's roughly about what ten to fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: from where you want to take us. Yep, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very close, very close to where we're going
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: Awesome. So yeah, I got to remind John too, as like,
Speaker 1: you know, I told him, I said, I told him
Speaker 1: I want to interview him too, But I said, I
Speaker 1: want to get I want to make sure I get you,
Speaker 1: you know, and like I want to I want to
Speaker 1: film both of you and him, but I want to
Speaker 1: film you walking through the woods, kind of walking me
Speaker 1: through the area and you know, kind of going from
Speaker 1: there and like I'll feel you got more ini in
Speaker 1: person about what I want to do there as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, but yeah, like I said, I got
Speaker 1: some filming this weekend, you know, and then I want
Speaker 1: to you know, get you, both you and John, you know.
Speaker 1: So okay, I think it'll be a great time.
Speaker 6: So now, as far as how long have you been
Speaker 6: involved with the research joined the whole chestnut Ridge paranormal
Speaker 6: that you do.
Speaker 2: I'd say, what about ten to twelve years?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, very cool.
Speaker 2: Ten to twelve years I've been out in these woods. Well,
Speaker 2: I grew up in these woods around here too.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like the back of my hand, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Ever since I was a little kid right now,
Speaker 2: the woods around here were our playground.
Speaker 1: Nice, very good. Yeah. What would you say as far
Speaker 1: as any experiences, I'm just curious and for those listening,
Speaker 1: what would be your most craziest experience that you've ever
Speaker 1: encountered or had? Hmmmm?
Speaker 2: Well, other than finding those tracks. That really blew my
Speaker 2: mind because when I found the tracks, when we were
Speaker 2: casting them, a game warden showed up and he come over,
Speaker 2: looked around for a second, started rubbing out the tracks
Speaker 2: with his foot.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he come over and he looked around
Speaker 2: for a minute. He didn't look surprised at all, and
Speaker 2: he started rubbing the tracks out with his foot.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I screamed at this time. Stop and my wife said
Speaker 2: she was scared to death that he was going to
Speaker 2: arrest me for something stupid, you know, because I was
Speaker 2: screaming at him.
Speaker 1: Wow, heknew what they were. Yeah, It's like he knew
Speaker 1: what they were and didn't want nobody to like he
Speaker 1: was trying to hide evidence. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I even asked him. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: level with me. Have you ever seen anything like this before?
Speaker 2: And he looked around for a minute. He looked straight
Speaker 2: of me in the face and said, yeah, you have that,
Speaker 2: turned around, gotten this struck and left.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it.
Speaker 1: Wow, I see I man, man, I wish I was there.
Speaker 1: I would say, I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I would have said something to him, smart you you
Speaker 1: were better off than I would. I would have said
Speaker 1: something smart ass to him because I deal with a
Speaker 1: lot of game boarders here in Virginia, and I'm usually
Speaker 1: pretty cool and chill with that, because they're pretty laid
Speaker 1: back and chill down here on the most part. A
Speaker 1: lot of them. They'll pull into your camp site, you know,
Speaker 1: we could I could be camping in the National Forest
Speaker 1: and they'll pull into your campsite just to check out
Speaker 1: you make sure you're not doing nothing illegal and all
Speaker 1: that that, right, And well, long story short, back up
Speaker 1: a little bit. There used to be an old timer
Speaker 1: that he used to walk this chrit Hilla area. He
Speaker 1: got to know me and he' said, oh, you're the
Speaker 1: big for people. I said, yep. And you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't get into much, but he was like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you guys got trail cameras in the woods, make sure
Speaker 1: you take him out when you leave us. All right,
Speaker 1: that's understood. No, not me. I'll leave my mouffle once
Speaker 1: on them. But but you know, but now there's the
Speaker 1: gang gole Ordens and and the special officers that work
Speaker 1: the area. They're younger people now, they're much younger, and
Speaker 1: so they'll come in. They'll come in there and they'll
Speaker 1: shoot the ship with you a little bit, and you
Speaker 1: get I'll get I'll get into conversations with him, and
Speaker 1: then I bring up you know, we start talking about
Speaker 1: big Foot. Well sometimes they'll ask me about big Foot
Speaker 1: because they'll see the details on my car. Ya. And
Speaker 1: like the last the last group of guys came in
Speaker 1: there because I think I had my grandson with me.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, I gotta ask. They came out, two
Speaker 1: young guys came out of the truck. Got to ask.
Speaker 1: He said, have you seen him? I said, see, dude, Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, Well, then I get into my you know,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to him about that, you know, and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff. And then it gets to the point
Speaker 1: where I'll start asking them questions because I only I
Speaker 1: have to see what each one says, see if there's
Speaker 1: anything different. I'll get into talking to them about mountain lions.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's only the interesting thing, because mountain
Speaker 1: lions preparentoy much there quick to shut you down on that.
Speaker 1: You know, I could be an eyewitness, which I have
Speaker 1: been an eyewitness to one, and I've talked I have
Speaker 1: spoken to them several eyewitnesses on mountain lions in Virginia.
Speaker 1: But almost every game board in or officer I spoke
Speaker 1: to regarding that has the same line, same speech. I said, Man,
Speaker 1: you guys are trained well, aren't you. You go quick
Speaker 1: to throw up the same line every one of you,
Speaker 1: you know, but some of them. I got to the
Speaker 1: point where I was like, I just let I listen
Speaker 1: to what they have to say. And I've gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where I just like go into one ear
Speaker 1: and out the other. So, yeah, you guys are a joke.
Speaker 1: But that's pretty much where the boys down to here.
Speaker 1: They all have the same line. They don't want you
Speaker 1: to know that the mountain lions. Yeah, we know they're here.
Speaker 1: We don't want you to know that. But even though
Speaker 1: people like me, we've seen them. I've seen I found
Speaker 1: their tracks during the winter time, you know, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have yet I would love to capture one of my cameras.
Speaker 1: I've gotten babkacs two different times. But that's about it,
Speaker 1: you know, so.
Speaker 2: You need to yep, I've never got I'm out in
Speaker 2: one yet wan a trail camp. I got black cat toys,
Speaker 2: I got uh fisher cats a few times. I swear
Speaker 2: to day. One day I could swear I think I
Speaker 2: heard a mountain line of chirping.
Speaker 1: Yeah they do, yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked it up and you know, and that's
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I heard. Yeah. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: people around here that swear up and down that they've
Speaker 2: seen them in the woods around here. My grandpa used
Speaker 2: to tell me stories about them all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe yeah, to go, but.
Speaker 2: Still, I mean, you know, right, they always they always
Speaker 2: have to deny it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I've been in discussions with other people regarding
Speaker 1: the mountain lion thing, you know, and like why, you know,
Speaker 1: question is why would they deny it? Well, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. Well, one, you're you're spending time, and
Speaker 1: you're spending time, family, spend time going into the national
Speaker 1: state parks. You know, they spend money there. One, they
Speaker 1: don't want to set the fear factor out there. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like as they admit that that there's mountain lions
Speaker 1: or these predators out there, or or even even for
Speaker 1: even bigfoot out there, well, if they even knew bigfoot exists,
Speaker 1: they're not going to say anything. They're going to deny
Speaker 1: it because One, they don't want people to get scared
Speaker 1: because people spend money to go out there. You know,
Speaker 1: there goes you know, the economy side of things, spending money.
Speaker 1: The second thing is again they don't want to spill
Speaker 1: the put the fear factor out there in people, because
Speaker 1: if the fear factor goes out, then there goes the economy.
Speaker 2: So you knows, and go to the parks and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back out and many years ago, back in the
Speaker 1: sixties and even early eighties, when the spotted isle was
Speaker 1: officially discovered out there in Washington State. Now, the spotted
Speaker 1: out it's a small it's a small bird, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a big bird like most isles usually are.
Speaker 1: But when that sparted owl was officially discovered, it went
Speaker 1: on the endangerous species list. What happened then it immediately
Speaker 1: got put off the industry exactly exactly shut that the
Speaker 1: whole economy down there, and people were out of work
Speaker 1: and all this crap happened. And you know, so imagine
Speaker 1: if a species like even Bigfoot, so yeah, we have
Speaker 1: humanoid Harry Bigfoot creature living out there among us, then
Speaker 1: all these legal factors come to place. Well, hey, we're
Speaker 1: deshroaring his habitat, you know, yeah, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: they would put all kinds of crazy stuff would happen.
Speaker 1: Then the fact that people be scared to go out
Speaker 1: there and spend time out in the woods. People like
Speaker 1: me and you, we don't care, but we have. We're
Speaker 1: out there to learn is what we can about them,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So that's all I'm trying to do, is learn as
Speaker 2: much as I can about some of the questions that
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, people like me and you, we don't
Speaker 1: want to go out there and hurt nothing. I mean,
Speaker 1: here in Virginia, I have a cacil carricer for me.
Speaker 1: I mean I go out there and carry because I
Speaker 1: know what other predators are up there. I go out
Speaker 1: there to protect myself and anyone. I'm not out there
Speaker 1: to kill no bigfoot. But you know, if I if
Speaker 1: I fell right, or if I would be in attacked,
Speaker 1: that might be a different story, you know, right picks
Speaker 1: in Hey, Yeah, exactly, but it is what it is. Well,
Speaker 1: tell you what, Chared, Is there anything you want for
Speaker 1: out there for the listeners before we jump off here?
Speaker 2: Yes, go check out my YouTube channel. It's called Chestnut
Speaker 2: Ridge Paranormal. I have one hundred and ninety four videos.
Speaker 2: I think I have some pretty interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: On there, really exciting.
Speaker 2: Some aren't so interesting, but then there's there's a few
Speaker 2: that are pretty good. I got one, That's what I
Speaker 2: was gonna tell you. One of the weird things that
Speaker 2: happened to me. It was in the same basic area
Speaker 2: that I found the tracks, but it was like maybe
Speaker 2: about a mile back the creek. So you go back
Speaker 2: a little further and the road goes to a big
Speaker 2: parking lot, and then up above the parking lot there
Speaker 2: used to be like an old logging road up through there.
Speaker 2: You have to go across the creek, get to the
Speaker 2: other side, and it goes up a little further. There's
Speaker 2: a ceme an old cemetery on the up on the
Speaker 2: side of the mountain side. I was up in there
Speaker 2: one day making a video for my YouTube, and I
Speaker 2: was in the cemetery, you know, and video around and
Speaker 2: there's only like two tombstones and there ones like really small,
Speaker 2: and then there's a bigger one that people put there
Speaker 2: a few years back. The rest of the graves are
Speaker 2: marked with big rocks that it's the cemetery is so old,
Speaker 2: you know, the stones that were there disintegrated and all
Speaker 2: the graves are marked with big rocks now. But I was,
Speaker 2: I was walking around there talking and I walked up
Speaker 2: the hillside a little further and I heard it about
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty yards off in the other side of the brush.
Speaker 2: I could hear like sounded like something walking. It sounded well,
Speaker 2: it sounded like a large, heavyset person walking with me
Speaker 2: down along the ridge.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I kept to see. I couldn't see, I couldn't see
Speaker 2: through the brush. I couldn't see anything, but I could
Speaker 2: hear it plain as day. It sounded like a big
Speaker 2: person walking out through the woods with me. So I
Speaker 2: started walking back down toward the cemetery, and I just
Speaker 2: started talking, acting like I didn't hear it. And the
Speaker 2: whole time I'm paying attention to it, listening to this
Speaker 2: whatever it is walk. So I keep going and going.
Speaker 2: I get down by the cemetery and I shut up
Speaker 2: and paying the camera over and you can hear two
Speaker 2: branches breaking. Like it took two more steps and then stopped.
Speaker 2: So I ran across the cemetery. I half expected a
Speaker 2: person to jump out or a bear, you know, to
Speaker 2: jump out of the weeds at me. But there was
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing over there. Wow, nothing at all. And I
Speaker 2: even like went around with you know, with the video.
Speaker 2: I was like all through there looking and there was
Speaker 2: nothing there.
Speaker 1: Wow. Sound like Sam was watching it falling you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was weird, man. That was one of the
Speaker 2: weirdest things that's ever It was like really creepy but
Speaker 2: really cool at the same time. It was strange. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's the first time, well actually that's the only time
Speaker 2: that's ever happened to me in the woods. And that
Speaker 2: was wild. They like creeped me out, but yet it
Speaker 2: was exciting at the same time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It was weird. It was really weird.
Speaker 1: And this is in a different area, not the area
Speaker 1: gonna take me to. Is this a whole totally different area.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's only like a mile up up
Speaker 2: the creek from where I found the tracks.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: In the same area. It's we've had it and my
Speaker 2: wife the one day we were back there, she found
Speaker 2: the biggest pile of scat I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: Huge job. I'll either send you the pictures or i'll
Speaker 2: show them to you when you come up. But I
Speaker 2: took pictures of it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: There it's as big as big around is my water
Speaker 2: bottle that I have in the picture?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if it's if it's bear scat, then that
Speaker 2: is a monster bear. I don't think it any scat
Speaker 2: because it really doesn't look like bear scat. But I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. We were out, her and I were
Speaker 2: just out for a hike that day. We weren't even
Speaker 2: really doing anything, you know, and or wait, no, we
Speaker 2: were putting trail cameras out, weren't we Yeah, we were
Speaker 2: out putting out trail cameras trying to see if we
Speaker 2: could figure out what made those tracks. And I almost stepped.
Speaker 2: I didn't even see it and almost stepped in it,
Speaker 2: and she screamed. She's like, stop when I thought she
Speaker 2: saw like a creature or something, because that's straight where
Speaker 2: my mind goes. Man, I tell you I about had
Speaker 2: a heart attack. I turned around and looked at her.
Speaker 2: My eyes were probably as big as saucers, and she's like, look, look,
Speaker 2: you almost stepped in. And I looked down and there
Speaker 2: it wasn't it? Huge, huge pile of scato? Unreal? But
Speaker 2: I got a the pictures of it with my water
Speaker 2: bottle beside it. You can see it's on this as
Speaker 2: big around as my water bottle. Crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious to ye, I definitely would like to
Speaker 1: check that area out as well when I come up.
Speaker 1: And I have seen massive piles of bearscat before, I mean,
Speaker 1: and not all basket looks the same. Some of it
Speaker 1: varies depends on your diet, you know, right, but mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm curious to check that area as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll definitely cover all that when we do,
Speaker 1: you know, when you show me the area and we'll
Speaker 1: do a little bits skating up there. So most definitely,
Speaker 1: But uh, it's you, yeah, I mean, you never know
Speaker 1: what to expect. That's the point I tell people, you know,
Speaker 1: when we even when we do a group campouse, there's
Speaker 1: nothing guaranteed, but you know, we always picked up on
Speaker 1: something or something like our camp out. We had a
Speaker 1: couple of interesting things that happened. But but you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, that they're unexpected. You don't plan for them,
Speaker 1: but you hope for something, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll see how things go, you know, when
Speaker 1: we get up here and all the good stuff, and
Speaker 1: then go from there.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, So anyone listening you know the series,
Speaker 5: you will see Chad on our upcoming series on our
Speaker 5: next episode for Bigfoot Explorers, which.
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Speaker 1: we encourage you to follow and subscribe. So uh, but Chad,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for being on
Speaker 1: here and jump around here and chit chatting with me
Speaker 1: and sharing you know your knowledge and experience on what
Speaker 1: you've had so far, and I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: more we can get into. But but yeah, this has
Speaker 1: been a great night and I hope for those listening,
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed and share this around and
Speaker 1: we'll be talking more in the future for sure. But
Speaker 1: thank you again, Chad, and we'll be in touch soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just hey, I just wanted to say thank
Speaker 2: you for having me on Dan.
Speaker 1: It was an honor most definitely most.
Speaker 2: Had a great time talking man.
Speaker 1: This and I'll throw it up there if you're if
Speaker 1: you're able to make it, you're more than welcome. But
Speaker 1: our next group camp out is here in Virginia, May
Speaker 1: fifteenth through the twenty. You're more than welcome to come
Speaker 1: if you're if it's something you're able to join, let's
Speaker 1: just let me know, you know. Yeah, but thank you
Speaker 1: again and we'll talk doing all right, man, Thank you?
Speaker 1: All right, keep it squatching everyone, We're out.