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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and Company fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, it is coffee and Company fuel by Thornton's

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<v Speaker 2>here on Sports Talks seven ninety hour number two underway,

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<v Speaker 2>as we will make the most of the time we

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<v Speaker 2>have left. I don't just mean because next Friday will

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<v Speaker 2>be my last show. I mean we are out early

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<v Speaker 2>today because the Louisville Bats are in action. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you did miss the first hour, we discussed the big

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<v Speaker 2>changes coming, I guess the big change, the biggest changes

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<v Speaker 2>will be down the line when the playoff expands again.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the second year of the twelve team college

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<v Speaker 2>football Playoff, they have already decided to get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the seating as far as the automatic top four spots

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<v Speaker 2>and buys going to conference championships. It's now just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be seated directly one through twelve, which is honestly

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<v Speaker 2>the way that it should be. Also, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's one of those things that I

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<v Speaker 2>could talk about it all day, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it would be great for the show. But the Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how about my Indiana Pacers, Maybe they're your

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Pacers too, or maybe you don't care about the Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>but you just acknowledge that they have been one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most clutch, resilient teams we've ever seen in the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA postseason. That sounds like hyperbole, that sounds like an exaggeration,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not sure that it's incorrect. For them to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to come back and win last night. Unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>and I enjoyed it. But even if you're not a fan,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably were entertained. No, unless you're a Knicks fan,

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<v Speaker 2>which that would be a real tough way to lose,

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the most demoralizing losses that you could suffer.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're up, they're in control, and the Pacers

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<v Speaker 2>just never stopped. And they've done it now three times again,

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at three specific wins they have this postseason,

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy to think about, but it happened. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>last night, they're down fourteen with two thirty five left,

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<v Speaker 2>they come back and win, and the series prior, they're

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<v Speaker 2>down seven with forty seven seconds left against the Cavs,

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<v Speaker 2>they come back and win, and then they're down seven

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<v Speaker 2>with forty seconds left of the Bucks in the first round,

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<v Speaker 2>they come back and win. All three of those are

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<v Speaker 2>single handedly, I mean, do it at once. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>all timer, just because those are the type of comebacks

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<v Speaker 2>that have never happened. The Pacers now have three of

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<v Speaker 2>them in the same postseason, which is just again, it's

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<v Speaker 2>crazy to think about it, but it was awesome to see.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this is just I think what makes it

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<v Speaker 2>so cinematic. I mean, I hate to use that word

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<v Speaker 2>because it sounds dramatic and over the top, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>everything playing out the way that it did last night.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I guess put a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a damper on it as far as that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't make it up made for a movie kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>is that Haliburton's foot was on the line, so they

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<v Speaker 2>ended up.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to overtime. But still, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>NBA teams going into last night's game oh and nine

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy in the playoffs over the last twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven years when trailing by fourteen or more points with

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<v Speaker 2>under three minutes left in regulation. Now it's one in

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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred and seventy because of what the Pacers did,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Reggie Miller being a nick killer and just

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<v Speaker 2>being the all time legend for the Pacers, the all

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<v Speaker 2>time great. He'll always, in my opinion, no matter what,

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<v Speaker 2>be the best player that ever played for them. When

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<v Speaker 2>people think of the Pacers in the playoffs, they probably

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<v Speaker 2>think of Reggie Miller for good reason. And for Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Nesmith last night to turn in to Reggie Miller, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that was awesome. And this is my favorite favorite fact

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<v Speaker 2>slash stat of last night's victory for the Pacers. Only

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<v Speaker 2>two players have had twenty plus points and five plus

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<v Speaker 2>three pointers in the fourth quarter of a playoff game

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<v Speaker 2>on an opponent's home court. Both did so for the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers at Madison Square Garden in the Conference Finals on

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<v Speaker 2>a Wednesday night. Reggie Miller did it June first, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four. Aaron nee Smith did it last night. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens with the rest of this this series,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wouldn't be shocked if the Knicks just can't

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<v Speaker 2>recover from that, because, look, they could play well and

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<v Speaker 2>still lose to the Pacers in Game two, because the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers are a really good team, and then you'd have

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<v Speaker 2>to go into Indiana and win one of two just

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the series alive, which is doable. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacers are beatable, but again, like, let's look at

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<v Speaker 2>what they've done. I mean, they won their first two

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<v Speaker 2>series four to games to one, did they not? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the Bucks got but one, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>the Cavs only won one game. Or maybe I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they got two. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers have been phenomenal and I'd love to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I talked a lot of crap about the playoffs

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<v Speaker 2>and especially you know how lack how not entertaining and

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<v Speaker 2>not competitive the NBA postseason has become in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's still have been some blowouts that you want

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid if you're the NBA, right, Like, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want somebody in Game seven losing by forty points, which

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<v Speaker 2>that's happened. But in between there's also been some really

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<v Speaker 2>competitive and entertaining games and I've enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 3>I really have.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight we'll get game two of the Thunder and the Wolves,

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<v Speaker 2>which I haven't even looked at. I haven't looked at

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<v Speaker 2>anything on a sports book in a while. I usually

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<v Speaker 2>I've at least dabbled a little bit in the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs as far as wagering. But since the college basketball

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<v Speaker 2>season came to an end and I closed out, I've

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<v Speaker 2>yet to even open up any of these sportsbook apps.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm interested tonight because Austin's got me feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's a little play it's playoff playoff wager action.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've got tonight ok C minus seven and a half. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's I mean, I I would if I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>throwing something out there, I would I would take plus

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<v Speaker 2>seven and a half Minnesota. But that's me still just

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that it'll be more competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>The Thunder they're kind of like the Pacers in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that they've got guys that aren't big names but

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<v Speaker 2>can take over a game and help you win in

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason. Last night it was Aaron E. Smith and honestly.

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<v Speaker 4>For the For the.

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<v Speaker 2>Thunder, I think it's guys like Jalen Williams, who, again

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about him earlier this week, he's their best player.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really not close. Chet Holmgren is obviously a really

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<v Speaker 2>good player, and they've got good pieces like Hartenstein, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're they're a balanced team. But Jaylen Williams is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best players probably in the NBA that

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<v Speaker 2>nobody knows about. But you can have Shae Gyiodas Alexander

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<v Speaker 2>the MVP and clearly their franchise player. He can have

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<v Speaker 2>an off night, and even an off night for him

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<v Speaker 2>is probably a pretty good day at the office. But

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<v Speaker 2>they can come at you in different ways. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think wishfully thinking I wanted to be a competitive series,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found myself kind of pulling for the Timberwolves

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<v Speaker 2>because I do really like Anthony Edwards, but he no

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<v Speaker 2>showed in the fourth quarter of that game in Game one,

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<v Speaker 2>and okay, see one thing that also, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's if you follow the NBA closely, you might

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<v Speaker 2>know this, but their atmosphere for a home game is insane,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it reminds me of like a crazy packed college

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<v Speaker 2>basketball atmosphere, because not to act like they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>anything else to do in Oklahoma City, but it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like when they're good, they'll really really embrace it.

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<v Speaker 2>So she'll be a good should be a good game tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and then tomorrow it'll be game two. It's eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>tip in the Garden once again, and as of now,

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacers are five and a half point dogs, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>hammer plus five and a half. All right, it's coffee

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<v Speaker 2>and company again. We are field about Thordon's here on

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<v Speaker 2>Sports Talk seven ninety. When it comes to the annual

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<v Speaker 2>CBS Sports College football coaching rankings, we now have all

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<v Speaker 2>one through sixty eight. They rankled all the power for coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>including Notre Dames coach and Jeff Bram has jumped up

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<v Speaker 2>two spots. We talked about it yesterday because yesterday we

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<v Speaker 2>got twenty six through sixty eight and Mark Stoops had

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<v Speaker 2>taken a big drop, fell to like thirty four I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it was. And we knew Brom last year was

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<v Speaker 3>at six. Was it thirty six?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It sounds I'm giving him too much credit, aren't I.

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<v Speaker 2>Here I go again, just gassing up my guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Story at your guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't, I can't be objective.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's all right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So anyways, we knew Brom would be in the

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<v Speaker 2>top twenty five. He was there last year at nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course yesterday he was not featured in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six through sixty eight, so I thought he'd probably stay

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<v Speaker 2>around where he was at nineteen. I think Austin guessed

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<v Speaker 2>what was it twenty or twenty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe, Yeah, I thought if he was going to fall,

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<v Speaker 4>it would be like twenty twenty one, twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>He jumped up.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's gone from nineteen to now seventeen. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>like Jeff, Brom has always had the He's always had

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<v Speaker 2>the benefit of the doubt that a lot of coaches

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<v Speaker 2>don't have. And certainly we didn't get the same benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of the doubt as a program when Scott Saturafleld was

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<v Speaker 2>our coach. So I think, you know, Brom is just

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<v Speaker 2>a football guy. He's he's I mean, the Brom name

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<v Speaker 2>is certainly known for a lot of reasons, especially around here.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that Stoops deservedly got credit for,

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<v Speaker 2>I argue he got too much credit for. Jeff did

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing and didn't get the same amount of credit.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think because with Stoops there's no way to

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<v Speaker 2>say this without it sounding like I'm just taking a

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really not.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason Mark Stoops is viewed as a decent coach,

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<v Speaker 2>which he's a he's better than a decent coach, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, and most people view him as a coach

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<v Speaker 2>that is better than being decent. But my point is

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing you could actually point to about Stoops

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<v Speaker 2>in his time as a head coach, because by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>he's only been a head coach at one place, that's Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 2>is that he made Kentucky not terrible and at times

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<v Speaker 2>they were pretty solid, times they were mediocre. But even

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<v Speaker 2>when they're mediocre, and they sustained a level of mediocre

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<v Speaker 2>consistently that had not really ever been done before at Kentucky. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets a lot of credit for that, and he

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<v Speaker 2>deserves credit, But that doesn't mean that he's a top

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five coach, which he had previously been ranked by

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<v Speaker 2>the folks at CBS Sports. And again it's all a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of opinion. There's no way to know exactly who

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<v Speaker 2>the best coaches are. There's no It's not an exact

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<v Speaker 2>science by any means. But with Brahm, he did the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing at Purdue. And I mean, maybe, you know Purdue,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they had more, you know, they had more

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<v Speaker 2>moments throughout the history of their program where they were successful.

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<v Speaker 2>They had blips throughout their existence where they were solid,

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<v Speaker 2>he's only been at Louisville two years, so maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a crazy thing to say, but I mean he

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<v Speaker 2>ACC Championship in back to back years at two different schools.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he didn't win either of those games, but

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<v Speaker 2>still he did it at Louisville and it was their

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<v Speaker 2>what he inherited. I mean, Jeff Brom had a winning

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<v Speaker 2>record in Big Ten play during his six years at Purdue.

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<v Speaker 2>That may not sound like a real big accomplishment, that

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<v Speaker 2>put on a resume having a winning record, but he

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<v Speaker 2>unranked at Purdue. The two previous coaches at Purdue prior

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<v Speaker 2>to Jeff, Darryl Hazel, went three and twenty four in

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<v Speaker 2>four seasons, Danny Hope with thirteen and nineteen in four seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>record in Big Ten play, and then he had ten

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<v Speaker 2>ACC title game. I mean, here, I am throwing out

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<v Speaker 2>all the accolades that a lot of Louisville fans already

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<v Speaker 2>know about their coach, because you know, he's our guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm telling you what he did at Purdue is

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<v Speaker 2>just because again, they were awful for a long long

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<v Speaker 2>consistently successful program when Jeff was there. You know why,

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<v Speaker 2>because nobody wins consistently at Purdue. Nobody does. They had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, roller coaster type of a run where they

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<v Speaker 2>would be up and then down. But again, at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, after six year, he had a

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten championship game. And I know those sound

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<v Speaker 2>like not that impressive accomplishments, but again, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>consider it from the Purdue side of things that hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been done at you know, Perdue, just like Kentucky with

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Stoops. He never got Kentucky to an SEC championship,

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<v Speaker 2>And to be honest, that would be much more difficult

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<v Speaker 2>than Jeff getting Purdue to the Big Ten championship because

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<v Speaker 2>at that time there were divisions and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>the West was nearly as good as the East or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they called their divisions in the Big Ten. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but Stoops he won ten games twice at Kentucky's.

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<v Speaker 2>That is quite literally the one thing you could point

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<v Speaker 2>to out his resume that would have anybody viewing him

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<v Speaker 2>as a top twenty five, top thirty caliber coach. But

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<v Speaker 2>what did he ever really have the show for any

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<v Speaker 2>of those ten win seasons? Like, what's the biggest Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>not to do the rivalry thing here, but the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>win for Mark Stoops in his time at Kentucky's probably

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<v Speaker 2>when he beat Louisville in Brom's first year. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't say it because Louisville's some big, dominant monster, but

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville was a top ten team and you beat them

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<v Speaker 2>up their place. Now, were they actually a top ten

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<v Speaker 2>caliber team?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll never know, but Jeff Brown being viewed as the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeenth the best coach in college football by those who

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<v Speaker 2>covered college football objectively of CBS Sports. It's nice to see,

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<v Speaker 2>but it really isn't that big of a surprise. And

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<v Speaker 2>we'll look at I don't want to run through the

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<v Speaker 2>entire list here, but man, there have been some big

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<v Speaker 2>movers up and down this list. But how about Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Norvell Austin. Mike Norvell went from being number twelve a

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<v Speaker 2>year ago, or I'm sorry, no, he was at number

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<v Speaker 2>eight a year ago. Now he's at number twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>He fell seventeen spots, which, to be honest, they foolishly

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<v Speaker 2>decided to just run it with who's the bum at

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<v Speaker 2>Clemson that transferred and then went to Oregon State dju

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<v Speaker 2>Ukulilele or whatever. Yeah, I I mean he was terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean Florida State being as bad as they

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<v Speaker 2>were last year is really like had he not.

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<v Speaker 3>Had the undefeated season.

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<v Speaker 2>Before that, he'd be fired because they were worse than

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<v Speaker 2>they've been like ever. So he felt quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's at number twenty five. Eli Drinkowitz also fell.

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<v Speaker 2>He went from number twenty one to twenty four. Brett Beilama,

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<v Speaker 2>he's at number twenty three. He's jumped up quite a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not surprised that he's that he's carved out

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<v Speaker 2>some success at Illinois.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a good coach.

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<v Speaker 2>He was really good at Wisconsin, and then I guess

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<v Speaker 2>he had some moments at Arkansas and now that he's

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<v Speaker 2>been in Illinois. I mean, they're not elite, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>clearly in a good spot. Rtt Lashley is at number

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two for SMU. He jumped up a bunch. He

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<v Speaker 2>went from number forty five to twenty three. Kurt Signetti

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<v Speaker 2>at number twenty one, Mario Christobal at number twenty, Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>Ferenz at number nineteen, and he's somebody that Brohm jumped

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of. And then also Kenny Dillingham a big jump

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<v Speaker 2>for him. He was at number sixty four at a

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight last year as he was entering I believe

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<v Speaker 2>was that his first year last year, No way, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't go to Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State, like, don't

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was his second year, second year? I think, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So after his first season he came in at number

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four in these rankings because they went three and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>two and seven. Well, then last year they go eleven

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<v Speaker 2>and three, make it all the way to the playoff,

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<v Speaker 2>win a playoff game, and for that, I'm sorry they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't win a playoff game. They ended up losing that

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<v Speaker 2>one to Texas, which they should have won. The refs

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<v Speaker 2>swallowed their whistle. Arizona State should have won that game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's still I was at the upstairs bar at O'shay's

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<v Speaker 2>about to walk over to the YOUM Center with Austin

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<v Speaker 2>to watch the Louisville North Carolina game when that was

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<v Speaker 2>going on, and Arizona State had that thing won, and

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<v Speaker 2>they made some mistakes on their end, but I swear

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<v Speaker 2>the not calling targeting was just something that still pisses

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<v Speaker 2>me off thinking about. But anyways, Dillingham has mentioned is

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<v Speaker 2>at number eighteen, and then I said, Brahms at seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Heipel at sixteen. He has jumped up from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three to sixteen. I don't have any issue with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this is where we get to guys getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of love because of where they are, like

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<v Speaker 2>Lance Leepold is at number fifteen.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, again, what's he actually done not much, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's not sucking complete rear end at Kansas and that

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<v Speaker 2>is viewed as like a big accomplishment. Chris Climbing at

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas State. They've got him at number fourteen. Lincoln Riley

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<v Speaker 2>fell and he's fallen quite a bit in the last

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<v Speaker 2>few years because USC he's just not gotten it done there.

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<v Speaker 2>Lane Kiffin is at number twelve, no issue with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle Whittingham is at number eleven, and then top ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Campbell he's at number ten, and he jumped up

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen spots, which Matt Campbell I kind of felt like

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<v Speaker 2>he was the guy that would go down as a

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<v Speaker 2>really good example of somebody that did not leave when

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<v Speaker 2>they should have left a certain job because he had

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<v Speaker 2>it rolling at Iowa State, especially, you know, at a

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<v Speaker 2>place that doesn't win a lot. I mean, they were,

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<v Speaker 2>they are one of the worst Power five programs of

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<v Speaker 2>all time as far as just lacking any type of success.

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<v Speaker 2>But with him, you know, he's won a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>games there. I mean he's I mean, he's got five

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<v Speaker 2>eight win seasons at a place like Iowa State that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty rare. And then last year they went eleven and three.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how good he would do at

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<v Speaker 2>a specific job, but his level of success consistently is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly why he's in this list and I can't really

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<v Speaker 2>dispute it.

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<v Speaker 3>Kaylen de bor Is, how do you say his name?

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<v Speaker 2>why I say to bow or de Boer. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know her, just met her.

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<v Speaker 4>Well it's spelled like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenna buyra drink first. But yeah, Kaylen bor is at

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<v Speaker 2>number nine. He dropped from number seven to number nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Brian Kelly is at number eight, James Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>number seven. Marcus Freeman took a big jump from number

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to number six. No, I don't have any

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<v Speaker 2>issue with that. I think Marcus Freeman is is in

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<v Speaker 2>a really good spot at Notre Dame to where they

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<v Speaker 2>should not only be able to sustain success, which they

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<v Speaker 2>typically always have, but I think he's I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>already done more than Brian Kelly did there as far

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<v Speaker 2>as just you know, they're they're now in that top

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<v Speaker 2>tier category, not that they were far from it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be shocked if Notre Dame's in the playoff

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<v Speaker 2>for the foreseeable future, and then in the top five

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Lanning at number five, Steve Sarkisian at number four,

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<v Speaker 2>Debo Sweeney number three, Ryan Day number two, and Kirby

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<v Speaker 2>Smart number one. So I don't really have any issues

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<v Speaker 2>with that with Ryan Day. He did, in fact get

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<v Speaker 2>the national championship, and I'm sure that's why he's where

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<v Speaker 2>he's at.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We again foolish and unfair of me to act like

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't accomplished much when he just won a national championship.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Ohio State is just a program that

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<v Speaker 2>is built to run through the Big Ten with just

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<v Speaker 2>way better players than everybody other than the occasional team

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<v Speaker 2>that ends up just having a really good year in

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten. Like I don't see at any point

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State taking a step back in Penn State stepping

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of them. Michigan clearly had a good run there

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<v Speaker 2>with Harriball. I don't think that's going to be sustainable.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ryan Day could run through the Big Ten every

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<v Speaker 2>year and I'll still probably not give him the credit

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<v Speaker 2>he deserves, just because I feel like he inherited.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you could make the case that they are

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<v Speaker 2>better than anybody. I mean, they don't because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the competition in their league quite like Georgia does

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<v Speaker 2>in the SEC with Texas, Bama, I mean, even LSU.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Big Ten's a good conference with really good,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, good programs with a lot of history. But

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan they were nowhere near competitive with Ohio State at

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<v Speaker 2>that top spot until the last two years of Harball.

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<v Speaker 3>And to be fair, they cheated to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so yeah, and then Dabo, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>do think it's this will be a big year for

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<v Speaker 2>Dabo because there's now real height once again surrounding Clemson

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<v Speaker 2>that there hasn't been in a while. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Cowherd was just gassing up Clemson and Club Nick.

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<v Speaker 3>So look, they're coming to Louisville next year. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope we can take them out.

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<v Speaker 2>Easier said than done, But yeah, Clemson the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>think this will be a big year for dabbo is

419
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<v Speaker 2>because if he does actually live up to what the

420
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<v Speaker 2>expectations are, that'll be a reminder. Yeah, this guy, he

421
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<v Speaker 2>was for some reason really against the portal, but man,

422
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<v Speaker 2>he's the.

423
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<v Speaker 3>Hell of a coach.

424
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<v Speaker 2>But if he falls short, I think it'll be the Okay, Yeah,

425
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:59.200
<v Speaker 2>this guy's best days are in the rear view because

426
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<v Speaker 2>he just really his refusal to adapt to the new

427
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.200
<v Speaker 2>world of college football is biting him in the rear

428
00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:07.160
<v Speaker 2>in which I think at this point it has. But

429
00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.759
<v Speaker 2>now now there's belief that their roster has, you know,

430
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:13.279
<v Speaker 2>done it the old school way to where they should

431
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<v Speaker 2>have a really good team this upcoming season. All right,

432
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<v Speaker 2>quick break, we'll come back on the other side. Keep

433
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<v Speaker 2>it locked right here. Coffee and Company feel about Thornton's

434
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<v Speaker 2>on Sports Talk seven.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Ninety Now back to Coffee and Company. Fueled by Thornton's

436
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<v Speaker 1>on Sports Talk seven nine.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Day, I mentioned wanting to get into some wagering action

438
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<v Speaker 2>tonight with the second game of the Western Conference Finals.

439
00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:38.640
<v Speaker 2>But I just saw somebody share a vet ticket online

440
00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.319
<v Speaker 2>that put one thousand dollars on the Pacers to win

441
00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the Eastern Conference Finals. It was futures bet. It wasn't

442
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<v Speaker 2>something made recently, and it was probably made given these odds.

443
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<v Speaker 2>It was probably made when the Celtics were still alive

444
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<v Speaker 2>and clearly looked like maybe the best team. But you

445
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<v Speaker 2>also have to keep in mind even I even before

446
00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.519
<v Speaker 2>the Celtics lost to the Knicks, and of course Jalen

447
00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Brunson not jelling brunts, but Jason Tatum goes down with

448
00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.519
<v Speaker 2>that Achilles' injury. You know, the Cavs with the number

449
00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>one seed in the East, so you know they had

450
00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 2>they had the best record. I mean, they probably didn't

451
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<v Speaker 2>have the best odds. But anyways, if you put one

452
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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars down, which I would never bet that much money,

453
00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:17.400
<v Speaker 2>but hey, some people do, and this would be a

454
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<v Speaker 2>big payout because it was plus three thousand on a

455
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<v Speaker 2>one thousand dollars bet, So you bet one grand to

456
00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.480
<v Speaker 2>win thirty grand, you'd collect thirty one thousand dollars. So

457
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<v Speaker 2>I'm hopeful that that's the result. And if that's the case,

458
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<v Speaker 2>then this person's gonna win a lot of money.

459
00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:36.319
<v Speaker 3>Also, with the College Football Playoff.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Making a change to the seating, they're not going to

461
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<v Speaker 2>give the top four seeds to conference championships. They're just

462
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<v Speaker 2>going to see this thing directly which I forgot about

463
00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.759
<v Speaker 2>the confusion, right because you would see the college Football

464
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<v Speaker 2>Playoff rankings and then you'd see the bracket, and you

465
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.079
<v Speaker 2>would clearly see that things don't add up. And it

466
00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>was because obviously they didn't seed it the way they didn't.

467
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.519
<v Speaker 2>They didn't actually put the bracket together the way it

468
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<v Speaker 2>was seated. They had the conference championships just slotted into

469
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:07.640
<v Speaker 2>those the college the conference champs just slotted into those spots.

470
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<v Speaker 3>But uh, this is what we got last year.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Oregon one as the as the one seed in the

472
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<v Speaker 2>with a bye, Georgia is the two seed with the bye,

473
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<v Speaker 2>Boise State with a three seed is a bye, and

474
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<v Speaker 2>then Arizona State winning the Big Twelve as the four

475
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<v Speaker 2>and got a buy. Here's what it would have looked

476
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<v Speaker 2>like had they done it then the way they're going

477
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<v Speaker 2>to do it moving forward. It would have been Oregon

478
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<v Speaker 2>number one still, but Georgia would have been the two

479
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>with a bye, Texas would have been the three with

480
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<v Speaker 2>the bye, and then Penn State would have been the four.

481
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<v Speaker 2>And then here are the matchups we would have had

482
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<v Speaker 2>in the first round, which these would have been better

483
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:51.640
<v Speaker 2>instead of getting Clemson in and UH in Texas, we

484
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<v Speaker 2>would have got Clemson in Notre Dame instead of Tennessee

485
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<v Speaker 2>and Ohio State. We would have got Tennessee and SMU

486
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<v Speaker 2>instead of SMU, Penn State, we would have had Ohio State,

487
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<v Speaker 2>Arizona State, and then we also would have had Boise

488
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<v Speaker 2>State in Indiana. I mean, just we'll never know who

489
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.960
<v Speaker 2>would have won those those hypothetical games, but that would

490
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 2>make it make more sense like that, when you just

491
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<v Speaker 2>look at the hierarchy of last year's college football as

492
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<v Speaker 2>far as the top teams, that would have been a

493
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<v Speaker 2>bracket that made more sense seeing teams like Boise and

494
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Arizona State. I mean, it's not their fault, but I

495
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 2>mean they I think we all knew you could make

496
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<v Speaker 2>the case then honestly, those might have been the two

497
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 2>worst teams in the twelve team playoff. I mean that's

498
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<v Speaker 2>not fair to say. And again, Arizona State gave Texas

499
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<v Speaker 2>all they wanted. Boise you know, they just they got

500
00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.200
<v Speaker 2>beat by Penn State in a close game. But yeah,

501
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<v Speaker 2>I think this is the right way to do it.

502
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<v Speaker 3>I really do. All right, I've.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Got somebody bumping us here in the text line as

504
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<v Speaker 2>far as asking me to somebody just bumping their text

505
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<v Speaker 2>Marillier this feek that I read where they asked me

506
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<v Speaker 2>to give my top five Louisville football and basketball players

507
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<v Speaker 2>of my lifetime before I leave next week and no

508
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<v Speaker 2>longer you know am hosting the show, and I haven't

509
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<v Speaker 2>given it a whole lot of thoughts since you texted in.

510
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<v Speaker 3>But why the hell not.

511
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you basketball now, just because why

512
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<v Speaker 2>not consider this some last few show spontaneousness energy from

513
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<v Speaker 2>me because I'm just doing this.

514
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<v Speaker 3>Off the cuff.

515
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<v Speaker 2>So top five basketball players of my lifetime Again, I'm

516
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<v Speaker 2>going to change the way you requested doing it. I'm

517
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<v Speaker 2>going to do it just that I remember because there

518
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<v Speaker 2>were some players that like. For example, I've all the

519
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<v Speaker 2>one player that I have no memory of watching play

520
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>at Louisville, but I wish I could have watched him play,

521
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 2>because I've heard how great he was was le Bradford Smith.

522
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<v Speaker 2>So he graduated from Louisville in nineteen ninety one. I

523
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>was three years old, so I have no memory. But

524
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 2>he was really good, so technically he might be in

525
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<v Speaker 2>consideration when it comes to like my lifetime, but I

526
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<v Speaker 2>didn't watch him place I can't really, you know, I'm

527
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<v Speaker 2>just going to base it off of guys that I watched,

528
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:06.559
<v Speaker 2>so consider like nineteen ninety five on. That would be

529
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<v Speaker 2>how I'm ranking them, And Austin, I'm gonna ask you,

530
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>should I do it based off of just dudes who

531
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like we're that good or do it

532
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>off of guys who clearly were good but also like

533
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 2>had some big accomplishments with great teams, Cause that makes

534
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.559
<v Speaker 2>it hard to put together because like, for example, Terrence Williams,

535
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<v Speaker 2>I believe, is one of the most, if not the

536
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>most talented players I've ever watched at Louisville, but you know,

537
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 2>he didn't play for a Final four team. So I'm

538
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.799
<v Speaker 2>gonna I'm just gonna instead of overthinking and I'm just

539
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna deliver, I'm going Russ number one. And it's it's

540
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>easy to say, right, I mean, yeah, Russ was part

541
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 2>of a national championship team, played for some of the

542
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>best teams I ever watched at Louisville, and is a

543
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>consensus All American. Russ is arguably arguably the second or

544
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>third best player that's ever played here, So in my lifetime,

545
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>he's certainly number one. I would say, if you're ranking

546
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:06.799
<v Speaker 2>best players in Louisville basketball history, it's west Unseld Griff

547
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and then probably Russ. So Russ is number one for me,

548
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and then after that. This is where my my heart

549
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>is getting in the way a little bit because I

550
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:21.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know if this is totally accurate, but I'm going

551
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 2>to on Wheat. I mean, that's not a crazy thing

552
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.839
<v Speaker 2>to put out there. It's not like he's just one

553
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite players. He was also one of my

554
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.680
<v Speaker 2>favorite players growing up. But he was also one of

555
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the best that's ever played here.

556
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 4>In my opinion.

557
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean his I mean he ranks. He was second

558
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 2>in school history in scoring until Rusk passed him. He's

559
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>third and assists. He was Honorable Mentioned All American and

560
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 2>a third team All American in his junior and senior year.

561
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And there was one really random stat that he had

562
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>that no, yeah, here it is Duan Wheat. He was

563
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.359
<v Speaker 2>the first player in NCAA history to amass career totals

564
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.519
<v Speaker 2>of it least two thousand points, four hundred and fifty assists,

565
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and three hundred three point field goals, as well as

566
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>two hundred steals. I don't know if that's been done since,

567
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 2>but shout out to Dewan Weed. He's going number two

568
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:18.200
<v Speaker 2>for me after that. This is more difficult than I

569
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.400
<v Speaker 2>thought because there's gonna be guys that I leave out

570
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:21.799
<v Speaker 2>that I don't want to, but I can only do

571
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>top five, So I'm going I'm gonna go Terrence Williams.

572
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's probably not as well some Tea will

573
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean I do too. Yeah, it's again the teams

574
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.319
<v Speaker 2>he played for. I don't think anybody would would argue

575
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>against that. They were really, really talented and really good.

576
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 2>They just fell short of a final four and back

577
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 2>to back seasons losing in the Elite eight. And it's

578
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>nobody's fault. It's just programs like Louisville, you know, one

579
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 2>of the top ten programs, top eight programs of all time.

580
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>When you think of special seasons, they usually include five

581
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 2>final four better, right, And it doesn't get much better

582
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>than a final four other than winning a national championship.

583
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>So his team accomplishments aren't there. But I just I mean,

584
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>he was by the time he called it a career

585
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.720
<v Speaker 2>at Louisville and went to the NBA. And by the way,

586
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 2>it was a lottery pick. There was really no big

587
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>weakness in his game. He developed a good three point shot.

588
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>He was always a phenomenal a phenomenal passer, and as

589
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.079
<v Speaker 2>good of an athlete as we've ever had.

590
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:27.240
<v Speaker 3>That's not I don't. I don't.

591
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean when it comes to Tea Will I mentioned

592
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 2>there was really no weakness in his game towards the end.

593
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<v Speaker 2>One thing that probably is the biggest strength he has

594
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.039
<v Speaker 2>is he was just a He was just an athlete, man,

595
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean a six to six, two hundred and twenty

596
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>pound specimen that could jump out of the gym.

597
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.880
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, he's uh he has.

598
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 4>I think.

599
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 2>He has the third triple double in Louisville basketball history.

600
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Can you name the first to Samaki Walker had it

601
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties with ten blocks.

602
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I knew Soaki had.

603
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And then the other one is super random, but I

604
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>love it. A lot of people unless you just know

605
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 2>the randomness of this so you know it, you'd never

606
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 2>guess it. Ellis Miles, Okay, So yeah, I'm gonna go

607
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Tea well just because again he was he was that good.

608
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 4>And then I'm not debating it. Yeah.

609
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 2>After that, this is where it gets tricky because there's

610
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys I could slide at four and five,

611
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 2>I think, right like, I could go Peyton Siva and

612
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody would really fight that, right, Like

613
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Peyton point guard on a national championship team is I

614
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>believe the only this is a cool This is a

615
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 2>cool fact for Peyton. I believe he's the only player

616
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 2>other than Patrick Union Patrick Ewing to be three time

617
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Big East Tournament All First Team Wow. And in fact,

618
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>he might be. He might be the only person since

619
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Ewing to be a two time Big East Tournament MVP,

620
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 2>because you remember they won it in his junior and

621
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.039
<v Speaker 2>senior season, the Big East Championship, which that's a hell

622
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of a way to go out, and then it is

623
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 2>and then yeah, here's what it is. It's I think

624
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 2>he's the only He and Patrick Ewing are the only

625
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.759
<v Speaker 2>two players that have won Big East Tournament MVP twice

626
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.359
<v Speaker 2>but also three time first Team All m VP. Because

627
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.559
<v Speaker 2>when Peyton was a sophomore, Kimba beat Kimba and Yukon

628
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<v Speaker 2>beat Louisville in that championship game in the Big East Tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>But but honestly, that year, Peyton, it's gonna sound crazy

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<v Speaker 2>to say Peyton got the best of Kimba in that

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<v Speaker 2>in the season that they played, I mean in the

632
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<v Speaker 2>Big East Tournament, Kimba got the best of Louisville and

633
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<v Speaker 2>Kimba went on to win a national championship that year.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, no discredit to him. But Peyton as a

635
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>sophomore really was was super competitive with with Kimba. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going Peyton number four, and I don't I don't

637
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<v Speaker 2>really have any issue doing that. And at number five, man,

638
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 2>leave some people. Here's where I'm gonna leave people out

639
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>because to be honest with you, in I mean, gosh, man,

640
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<v Speaker 2>I I'll just tell you I'm not going Donovan Mitchell.

641
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.559
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people probably would just assume that because

642
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Donovan is, I mean, Donovan is the best NBA player

643
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<v Speaker 2>from Louisville ever outside of West Unsell. Like I know,

644
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Griff had a really good career in the NBA, but

645
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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt that Donovan's overtaken that. Yeah, Donovan has

646
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<v Speaker 2>certainly overtaken that. So, I man, this is tough. I

647
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>could go I could go Tres I could go Francisco Garcia,

648
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:51.559
<v Speaker 2>I could go Taekwon Dean, I could go Terry Rozier.

649
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<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you, I could go I don't

650
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 2>think I could go Gorgy, although Gorgy was really really good.

651
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<v Speaker 2>But then again, I'm not you know, there's no there's

652
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<v Speaker 2>no big man here in my top five, right, I

653
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 2>got a Terrence Jennings in there for laughs, Oh man,

654
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<v Speaker 2>shout out to TJ. I'm sor right he was.

655
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<v Speaker 3>He's one that.

656
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<v Speaker 2>I wish would have come back for his senior year

657
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 2>because he would have been a nice piece to have

658
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<v Speaker 2>on that twenty twelve team. O boy, Yeah, who do

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<v Speaker 2>I go with number five? I mean, I think I'm

660
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<v Speaker 2>gonna go Francisco Garcia, and I don't really have any because.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he he was.

662
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Really Louisville broke through first time in the Patino Era

663
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.679
<v Speaker 2>where they had a really good team that obviously made

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<v Speaker 2>it all the way to a Final four, and he

665
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 2>was the best player on that team, although he had

666
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<v Speaker 2>a great team around him with Taekwon and Larry O

667
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<v Speaker 2>and Ellis and those guys. But I'm gonna go I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go Francisco just because he was I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>was really really talented, and I mean another guy that

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<v Speaker 2>not really sure what the weakness was. He wasn't great

671
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<v Speaker 2>laterally as far as defense, which is one of the

672
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<v Speaker 2>reasons why they went two three with that squad. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was a really good passer, could shoot

674
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<v Speaker 2>the lights out of it, good enough athlete, just a

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<v Speaker 2>really skilled player. So I'm going that's my top five.

676
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going Russ Smith, Dewan Wheat, Terrence Williams, Peyton Siva,

677
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<v Speaker 2>and Francisco Garcia.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a bad starting five to two. Small ball.

679
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, play small ball. We'll shoot the hell out of it,

680
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<v Speaker 2>right Peyton See is gonna find guys to spot up.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to a break. We'll come back

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side. Wrap up the four o'clock hour

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<v Speaker 2>right here on Sports Talk seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there is one player that.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely forgot about in my top five Louisville basketball

689
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 2>players of my lifetime, or at least most of my

690
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<v Speaker 2>life from what I can remember, there was one guy

691
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<v Speaker 2>that just completely slipped my mind.

692
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<v Speaker 3>And he was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if I would have him in

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<v Speaker 2>the top fives. You could make the case that Reese

695
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<v Speaker 2>is in consideration for spots four and five, and maybe

696
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. With Reeese, he was really good, but

697
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<v Speaker 2>I think his first two seasons, it being the last

698
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<v Speaker 2>two of Denny, it just did those teams weren't very good,

699
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<v Speaker 2>so they're just those like, nothing really stands out in

700
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:27.719
<v Speaker 2>those two seasons other than just knowing we weren't very

701
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 2>good and Denny's time was probably coming to an end.

702
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<v Speaker 2>But we did have a really good player in Ree's Gains.

703
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>So I still think I would put Cisco and Peyton ahead.

704
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<v Speaker 2>But the top three, I mean, I feel I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as just these guys and their ability, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going I feel really good about the top three.

707
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 2>I think four, five, six, seven, eight. It's really just

708
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<v Speaker 2>a mixed bag as far as how you want to

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<v Speaker 2>order them. But here's what I think I'm gonna do

710
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<v Speaker 2>next week for football. Austin won't be here tomorrow, so

711
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna save this for next week. At some point

712
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<v Speaker 2>for football, I'm gonna do how about top three receivers,

713
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 2>quarter backs, running backs, and defensive players overall? Yeah, I

714
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>mean that's not necessarily fair, I guess to the defense

715
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<v Speaker 2>fun but yeah, top three, I mean, I could maybe

716
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<v Speaker 2>do top five, y'all do top five, because I mean

717
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<v Speaker 2>with quarterbacks, I mean, we all know who's going to

718
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<v Speaker 2>be at the top, but I mean we've been so

719
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<v Speaker 2>spoiled with great quarterbacks at Louisville, not only in the history,

720
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<v Speaker 2>but certainly like in my lifetime. We talked about that

721
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<v Speaker 2>when Tyler Shutt got drafted, because you know, he's somebody

722
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<v Speaker 2>that that really you know, you only here one year,

723
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 2>and obviously he's a second round draft pick and had

724
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<v Speaker 2>a really good year as far as statistics, but he

725
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.719
<v Speaker 2>just won't be remembered quite.

726
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 3>Like other guys.

727
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<v Speaker 2>But it's just because he was here only for a season,

728
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<v Speaker 2>whereas other guys you watched him play over many, many years.

729
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<v Speaker 2>And like, somebody asked me this right after the draft,

730
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't really know how to answer it because

731
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's almost not a fair question based off

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<v Speaker 2>of just the difference in their careers. But who's a

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<v Speaker 2>better all time Louisville quarterback Malie Cunningham or Tyler Shuck?

734
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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Shit, y Uh, he only played one year and

735
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>there really wasn't a monumental moment for him.

736
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<v Speaker 3>Malie Cunningham, he.

737
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<v Speaker 2>Played here for five years and was good individually, but

738
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<v Speaker 2>really never had any big moment. I mean, honestly, in

739
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<v Speaker 2>one year Tyler's went at Clemson, even though he wasn't

740
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like the only reason they were good, but he clearly

741
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<v Speaker 2>had a Remember that flip he did in the end

742
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 2>zone against Clemson that was so cool? Oh yeah, so yeah.

743
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<v Speaker 2>I mean I didn't think it's unfair because again it's

744
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 2>a totally different situation. But if you asked me if

745
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I could only have one quarterback of those two to

746
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 2>lead a team, I mean, I'm going shuck, no offense

747
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 2>to Malik, but I just think Shuck was I mean,

748
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>you could utilize a lot of weapons with his arm,

749
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 2>and whereas Malie Cunningham, he just wasn't quite And that's

750
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 2>really I think what sets apart good quarterbacks and really

751
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.599
<v Speaker 2>good quarterbacks is consistency. I mean, Malik at times was

752
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 2>really accurate with his deep ball. Times he wasn't.

753
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes.

754
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I think some of the hardest plays for him to

755
00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>make was what appeared to you know.

756
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Me And what do I know.

757
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I've never played quarterback at a high level, never played

758
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>quarterback at all of my life, But like you know,

759
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<v Speaker 2>he just there's certain plays that you're like, well, How

760
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 2>did you not hit your receiver there?

761
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:09.920
<v Speaker 3>How do you not? How do you how is it?

762
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 2>How is the ball not on time? So anyways, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>do that next week. Well, right now, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>get you a break.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got one long segment for you here, I believe,

767
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 2>is how we're going to structure it. Because we're out

768
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<v Speaker 2>early due to the Louis of bats coming up, So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll hit the five o'clock hour running right here on

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<v Speaker 2>Sports Talk seven ninety